ftp.xmission.com/2014.06.ftp.xmission.com.tar/ftp.xmission.com/pub/lists/fractint/archive/v01.n369

Internet Message Format | 1999-02-18 | 43KB

From: [e-mail] (fractint-digest)
To: [e-mail]
Subject: fractint-digest V1 #369
Reply-To: fractint-digest
Sender: [e-mail]
Errors-To: [e-mail]
Precedence: bulk


fractint-digest      Thursday, February 18 1999      Volume 01 : Number 369




----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 12:31:59 -0500
From: George Martin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software

Lee Lane wrote:

>
Tim, my hat is off to you and your associates, and if you ever want $35 =

from your users, it would be not only a pleasure to send it to you, but =

the best bargain I ever got.
<

Lee, =


Don't expect a bill soon. Recall that our contribution policy is:

   Don't want money. Got money. Want appreciation.

Although I must humbly exempt myself from the second part of that
declaration, the first and third parts hold true for all of us. Like Tim,=
 I
believe that keeping money out of Fractint is not some sort of act of
generosity on the part of the developers, but an essential element to the=

vitality of this widespread volunteer effort. =



George Martin
  =


- --------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List
Post Message:   [e-mail]
Get Commands:   [e-mail] "help"
Administrator:  [e-mail]
Unsubscribe:    [e-mail] "unsubscribe fractint"

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:44:48 -0700
From: Phil McRevis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software

In article ,
    "Frederik Slijkerman" <[e-mail]>  writes:
> Hm. Perhaps you could try to use C++ Builder, the C variant of
> Delphi. In my experience, it takes away the problems of Windows GUI
> programming, so you can concentrate on getting the program to work
> instead. But inevitably you will have to spend some training hours. :)

I have C++Builder, and yes, it will automate the boiler plate code
that is identical in most windows programs, but you will still be
ignorant of how to write a Win32 API program from scratch if you only
learn C++Builder.  C++Builder isolates you from Win32 by using a
framework.  Frameworks are useful labor saving devices, but you don't
learn about the Win32 API by using a framework (that's the whole point
of the framework).  However, you will have to spend time learning the
framework, and there will be times when you need to use the Win32 API
anyway, so ultimately you still need to know Win32.  This is
especially true if you plan on doing advanced graphics or pixel
manipulation.  (Builder is great for database and forms apps, but
doesn't have extensive support in its framework for advanced graphics.)

I think when Tim talks about being a "Windows programmer" he's thinking
of mastering the Win32 API.  And although the API is large in terms of
the sheer numbers of function calls that are available, its not
conceptually that complicated.  Most of the complexity of Win32 is the
details of the prebuilt UI controls that Windows provides.  The core of
the GDI and event processing isn't that hard (and the concepts are
identical to the basic graphics and event programming model provided by
MacOS or the X Window System).  Learning your first event-driven GUI
programming environment takes some time, but after that you could
switch to another similar environment and get up to speed relatively
quickly by identifying similarities and differences between the two
environments.

The big gap between fractint and Win32 is that fractint's input model
is polling, not event based.  Its graphics support is homebrewed and
talks directly to the VGA hardware.  The assembly code adds some
aggravation when porting to another platform, but the xfractint code
already has C equivalent for everything that's in assembler.
- --
<http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/>    Legalize Adulthood!
    ``Ain't it funny that they all fire the pistol,
      at the wrong end of the race?''--PDBT
[e-mail]    <http://www.eden.com/~thewho>

- --------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List
Post Message:   [e-mail]
Get Commands:   [e-mail] "help"
Administrator:  [e-mail]
Unsubscribe:    [e-mail] "unsubscribe fractint"

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 16:33:57 -0500
From: Paul Derbyshire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint)   An apology (2)

At 07:49 PM 2/16/99 -0800, you wrote:
>I'm also in the process of changing my mailer from Outlook Express to
>"The Bat".

"The Bat"???

>Happy99???  Oh, that must have been a New Years card that my wife had
>received...Hmmmm, singularly uninteresting CGA-type fireworks
>reminiscent of old Apple II graphics...dump it.

Yow.


- --
   .*.  "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not
- -()  <  circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a
   `*'  straight line."    -------------------------------------------------
        -- B. Mandelbrot  |http://surf.to/pgd.net
_____________________ ____|________     Paul Derbyshire     [e-mail]
Programmer & Humanist|ICQ: 10423848|

- --------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List
Post Message:   [e-mail]
Get Commands:   [e-mail] "help"
Administrator:  [e-mail]
Unsubscribe:    [e-mail] "unsubscribe fractint"

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 16:48:45 -0500
From: Paul Derbyshire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Cubic polynomials what?

At 01:35 AM 2/18/99 +1100, you wrote:
>Here's a couple of formulas and a few example images for an equation that I
>ripped out of a book that I'm reading at the moment. I don't have the
>stamina to go through all of the existing Fractint formulas to see if I'm
>repeating anything. I've named the formulas after a mathematician who
>investigated this stuff in 1879 but gave up because he presumably didn't
>have a Pentium.
>
>Apparently the equation uses Newton's method to solve a family of cubic
>polynomials...I'm just repeating what I read, I don't really understand it.
>With the constant at (0,0) the Julia version of the formula looks the same
>as the Fractint "Newton", but with some other constants there are points
>that don't fall to any of the roots. That much was said in the book, but I
>wasn't expecting the form that those points can take: little copies of
>classic Julia sets. The Mandelbrot version of the formula has the Mandelbrot
>shape embedded in a cardioid ring of Newton like chains. To find the Julia
>sets zoom in close to the boundary of one of the Mandelbrot forms and use
>the center coordinates for the constant in the Julia version.

This is one I've fiddled with too. It's cool. The book it came from is The
Beauty of Fractals...:-) Same place I got it.

- --
   .*.  "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not
- -()  <  circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a
   `*'  straight line."    -------------------------------------------------
        -- B. Mandelbrot  |http://surf.to/pgd.net
_____________________ ____|________     Paul Derbyshire     [e-mail]
Programmer & Humanist|ICQ: 10423848|

- --------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List
Post Message:   [e-mail]
Get Commands:   [e-mail] "help"
Administrator:  [e-mail]
Unsubscribe:    [e-mail] "unsubscribe fractint"

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 16:51:44 -0500
From: "Phil DiGiorgi" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software

Hi George, Tim, et al,

>   Don't want money. Got money. Want appreciation.

You've got mine.   Buckets full!   Just please don't let it die.


  - Phil D.

P.S.   This is not a putdown of UF.   I think Fred's program is awesome, and
well worth my $35.   But fractint is something very special, as are its
creators and contributors.   I wish I had the talent to help them keep it
going.




- --------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List
Post Message:   [e-mail]
Get Commands:   [e-mail] "help"
Administrator:  [e-mail]
Unsubscribe:    [e-mail] "unsubscribe fractint"

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 19:14:43 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software

<<  Don't want money. Got money. Want appreciation. >>

Tim and the rest of the Fractint development team,

    I have been remiss in paying for my Fractint software.  Finding the words to
express my appreciation for this marvelous program is difficult.  Using the
program also frequently leaves me speechless.  I came across "Fractals for
Windows" in a bookstore not very long after I got a computer.  Not much later
I came across "Fractal Creations".  I eventually bought both editions of that
one.  I have spent many joyous hours watching the strange and beautiful
patterns it produces grow across my monitor screen.  What an incredible
delight!  I hadn't seen such colors and patterns since the late 60's early
70's! :-)
I was stunned when I first ran across the works of Bob Carr, Sylvie Gallet,
Les St.Clair and others on Compuserve.
    You and your teammates have demonstrated impressive generosity in giving away
a tool that can provide so many with so much. Having made some (unsuccessful)
efforts to teach myself programming I think I have gained some appreciation
(and respect) for the hard work all of you have put into this.  I really wish
I could help.  Again and again, thank you!
                                                                Tom

- --------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List
Post Message:   [e-mail]
Get Commands:   [e-mail] "help"
Administrator:  [e-mail]
Unsubscribe:    [e-mail] "unsubscribe fractint"

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 17:49:58 -0800
From: Mark Christenson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software

comment {
From the troglodite faction, a skeptic asks:

"Isn't the biggest problem (from the Fractint perspective)
with Windoze its failure to accomodate on-the-fly video
mode switching?"

Forgive me if this is an ignorant question; I'm still cowering
in my cave with DOS 6.22 and Win 3.1... ( Which is probably
why nobody will hire me for software jobs ?:-j )


Aloha, Bud


Here's a par (my Web site future title art, for a while):
}

gb2n1              { ; "Fringebrot" - (c) Mark "Bud" Christenson 2/15/99
  reset=1930 type=formula formulafile=budz.frm formulaname=gravibrot
  function=cos/sqr/log passes=1
  center-mag=2.96777/-2.9976e-015/1.030928 params=1/0/0/0/25/0 float=y
  maxiter=300 inside=33 decomp=256

colors=000<2>LMH<2>RSMUVOYYR<6>zyn<5>qneolcmjakh_ieY<6>XRLVPJUOITMHRKF<9\

>FB8DA7DA7<14>000000011<27>7IO7JP8KQ9LR<2>EQXFRZGT`HVbJXd<6>Xku_nx_lv<5>\

QXbOUZNSXMQUMPSLNQJLNGHJBBC000000D4AK4F<4>bCVfEZhGa<5>wTw<6>gF_dCWb
BU`AR\

Y8P<2>T6KR5IR5I<31>111003002001000<20>QHHRIISJJUKKVKKWLK<7>jTNkUNmWM<7>
z\
  iF<5>hUEeREcQD<2>XK8UI7QF6LC4E83742
  }

frm:gravibrot{ ; generalized r^(-2) by Mark "Bud" Christenson 3/13/98
; derived from gravijul
; p2 is unused as yet...
; defaults: p1 = (1,0) p2 = (0,0) p3 = (4,0)
   z = p2
   c = pixel:

   w = fn1(z)
   z = fn3(p1/fn2(w*w)) + c
    |z| < p3
  }



- --------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List
Post Message:   [e-mail]
Get Commands:   [e-mail] "help"
Administrator:  [e-mail]
Unsubscribe:    [e-mail] "unsubscribe fractint"

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 22:59:31 -0600
From: "Tim Wegner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software

Lee wrote:

> Your
> proprietary rights are very unimpressive by comparison. I have taken UF
> off my computer and so shall not be sending you any money.
>
> Tim, my hat is off to you and your associates, and if you ever want $35
> from your users, it would be not only a pleasure to send it to you, but
> the best bargain I ever got.

I appreciate your support. However I want everyone to be clear that
I am not advocating people stopping using UF, nor am I trying to
encourage any "either or" attitude between  UF and Fractint. The
point of my comments was not so much to be critical of UF but to
advocate the idea of open source.

I probably gave too pessimistic view of the state of the Fractint
team. I really don't think Fractint will "die" anytime soon, and I
really do believe that we will have some porting breakthroughs
eventually. We could even have a Windows console version that
would look exactly like the current Fractint, except that internally
we long-suffering programmers would be free from the DOS
medium model programming constraints

Tim


>
> Lee Lane
>



- --------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List
Post Message:   [e-mail]
Get Commands:   [e-mail] "help"
Administrator:  [e-mail]
Unsubscribe:    [e-mail] "unsubscribe fractint"

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 22:59:32 -0600
From: "Tim Wegner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: GUIs and the future of Fractint (was: Re: (fractint) The  price of  fractal software)

Morgan asked:

> Since Tim Wegner is himself a member of this team, he is in a
> much better
> position than I to judge the pros and cons and feasibility of taking
> Fractint down the same path. How do you take it, Tim? At present I think
> this may well be the way to go.

There is no doubt that separating the underlying fractal engine from
the user interface will be necessary.

There are several other comments in recent messages that made
sense to me, including those by Phil McRevis. I decided I better
not get into answering every message :-)

Tim


- --------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List
Post Message:   [e-mail]
Get Commands:   [e-mail] "help"
Administrator:  [e-mail]
Unsubscribe:    [e-mail] "unsubscribe fractint"

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 17:29:37 +1100
From: "Mark Townsend" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Cubic polynomials what?

Paul Derbyshire wrote...

[my stuff snipped]

>This is one I've fiddled with too. It's cool. The book it came from is The
>Beauty of Fractals...:-) Same place I got it.


Oh well, I didn't think I could have been the first to see these
things--especially since I found the equation in a book. The book was _The
Mathematical Tourist_ by Ivars Peterson, which has a chapter on escape-time
fractals. _The Beauty of Fractals_ was one of his sources for that, though
it's not mentioned specifically in relation to that equation. There's been a
copy of BOF sitting in a local bookshop for several years--untouched, it
seems, by anybody but me when I occasionally browse through it. It's not
cheap, and I've never had the money to buy it, but I plan to in the near
future if nobody else discovers it before then.

Mark Townsend
[e-mail]


- --------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List
Post Message:   [e-mail]
Get Commands:   [e-mail] "help"
Administrator:  [e-mail]
Unsubscribe:    [e-mail] "unsubscribe fractint"

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 08:49:00 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
From: "Nigel H. J. Long" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software

>    Don't want money. Got money. Want appreciation.

You want appreciation, I will happily give it.....!  I
consider the day I first encountered Fractint to be a
wonderful milestone in my life. Now, nearly a decade(!) on,
I still find it a source of wonder, beauty and imagination.

My humblest thanks, and deepest gratitude, to each and
every one who has contributed to such a marvel as Fractint.
You have created something to be PROUD of.

Fractint is not just a great piece of programming (and it
is, honestly folks!) but it is a work of art - open,
funky, squnky, anarchic, happy art. Using it, and sitting
in on this list, is like being part of a wonderful family
(complete with all the usual arguments of course!)

I have lost count of how many people have cursed me for all
the lost nights I have caused by passing them copies of
Fractint. Once bitten - lost forever. :-)

May you, and Fractint, live long and prosper....
- ----------------------
Nigel H. J. Long
Information Scientist, University of Southampton, UK
[e-mail]


- --------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List
Post Message:   [e-mail]
Get Commands:   [e-mail] "help"
Administrator:  [e-mail]
Unsubscribe:    [e-mail] "unsubscribe fractint"

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 20:52:46 +1100
From: "Mark Townsend" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Cubic polynomials what?

I wrote:

>Mark Townsend
>[e-mail]


No, it wasn't me: the spelling checker did it. Although I'm surprised that
it didn't change it to [e-mail].

Mark Townsend
[e-mail]


- --------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List
Post Message:   [e-mail]
Get Commands:   [e-mail] "help"
Administrator:  [e-mail]
Unsubscribe:    [e-mail] "unsubscribe fractint"

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 11:47:49 GMT
From: "Andrew Coppin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) J of M?

- --Message-Boundary-21775
Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Content-description: Mail message body

Dump the attached PAR file into your Fractint directory. Now have a
look at "JofM". If you look at the file, you'll see it says
"type=mandel". But wait! Could it be... no, shurely it can't be...
but... yes... no... yes! It is! It's a Julia Set! It's a quadratic
Julia set *INSIDE* the quadratic Mandelbrot Set, with lines
enphasising its internal structure (see "JofM_Structure").

A freak occurance? Are you kidding? This is choas here! Coincidences
don't happen!

Take a look at "JofM2". The "2" signifies more that the fact that
this image is the sequal to the first; this Julia set is pearced by a
spike that repeatadly splits in two.

If you take a look at "JofM_Center", you'll see that the Julia Set
pattern repeates itself 4, 8, 16, 32... times, gradually ceesing to
be a circle and following the equipotential curve of... the
Mandelbrot Set. (Well, that's not so suprising; we all knew about
"baby-brots".)

In case anyone else wants to find Julia Sets in M, look at one of the
"lightning stalks" sprouting from a disk in the side of the
Mandelbrot set (not one that's too tightly twisted), and find a
(fairly large) baby-brot in it. Now zoom into an area of it you
happen to like the Julia sets of, and look in the lightning streams
surrounding it... See how they seem to have little blobs on them...
no, those aren't sampling errors... those are Julia sets!

If anyone cares, I might pose a set of pars that zoom in in stages...
Maybe...

- ---------------------------------
Nam et ipsa scientia potestus est!
(Sir Francis Bacon)
Andrew Orphi Coppin
DMU MK.

- --Message-Boundary-21775
Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Content-disposition: inline
Content-description: Attachment information.

The following section of this message contains a file attachment
prepared for transmission using the Internet MIME message format.
If you are using Pegasus Mail, or any another MIME-compliant system,
you should be able to save it or view it from within your mailer.
If you cannot, please ask your system administrator for assistance.

   ---- File information -----------
     File:  post1.par
     Date:  18 Feb 1999, 9:07
     Size:  1307 bytes.
     Type:  Unknown

- --Message-Boundary-21775
Content-type: Application/Octet-stream; name="post1.par"; type=Unknown
Content-disposition: attachment; filename="post1.par"
Content-transfer-encoding: BASE64
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- --Message-Boundary-21775--

- --------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List
Post Message:   [e-mail]
Get Commands:   [e-mail] "help"
Administrator:  [e-mail]
Unsubscribe:    [e-mail] "unsubscribe fractint"

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 20:37:57 +1030
From: "Wayne Kiely" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint)   An apology (2)

John,

>In conclusion, I apologize again, abjectly, for letting this thing
>loose in Fractint.   Please check your computers for those tell-tale
>.SKA files in your WIN System folder...I wouldn't wish this on anyone
>else.


Luckily I didn't open the file, although I nearly did (simply because this list IS so clean).  I
certainly will never be tempted to again!

On your list of Lessons learned, #5 should have been:-

A 'Really Decent' stuff up is composed of a string of minor concatenating stuff ups - any one of
which, taken in isolation, is entirely explainable, justifiable or totally unworthy of further
attention!

i.e. a good stuff up is always greater than the sum of its constituent parts...

Welcome back.

Wayne





- --------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List
Post Message:   [e-mail]
Get Commands:   [e-mail] "help"
Administrator:  [e-mail]
Unsubscribe:    [e-mail] "unsubscribe fractint"

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 07:54:26 -0800
From: "Jon Camp" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [none]

Hi all! It's been a while since i posted any pars. Partly because I have
been fooling around with Ultra Fractal but have not produced anything worth
posting. Here are two images I made on Fractint last night and liked them so
much that I've decided to post them.
If somebody who is good with Ultra Fractal would take one of the images and
modify it or enhance it I would be interested to see your results. This
becuase I am just starting out with Ultra Fractal.

Here are links to the two full isze images if you are too lazy to use the
par :)

http://www.cnspace.net/ftp_cnspace/fractal280.gif
http://www.cnspace.net/ftp_cnspace/fractal281.gif

Thanks!
    Jon Camp

P.S. One of my fractals made it on http://www.dailyimage.com
I don't know if that is a big deal or not but I thought it was kinda cool :)

Visit chaotic n-space network!
http://www.cnspace.net

***********************************************************
2 pars
***********************************************************


jcamp101           { ; jon camp, 1999
                     ; chaotic n-space network
                     ; http://www.cnspace.net
                     ; [e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=mandel
  center-mag=-0.74998744123316300/-0.01229491445302480/1.272508e+007
  params=0/0 float=y maxiter=100000 outside=imag
  colors=000000<29>00k00m01m<29>0ky0mz1mz<30>zzz<46>2zz0zz0yz<45>02z00z00y\
  <59>002000000
  }

jcamp102           { ; jon camp, 1999
                     ; chaotic n-space network
                     ; http://www.cnspace.net
                     ; [e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=mandel
  center-mag=-0.74998746253324030/-0.01229490523484335/6.117825e+007
  params=0/0 float=y maxiter=100000 outside=imag
  colors=000000<29>00k00m01m<29>0ky0mz1mz<30>zzz<46>2zz0zz0yz<45>02z00z00y\
  <59>002000000
  }




- --------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List
Post Message:   [e-mail]
Get Commands:   [e-mail] "help"
Administrator:  [e-mail]
Unsubscribe:    [e-mail] "unsubscribe fractint"

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 11:00:34 -0500
From: Gedeon Peteri <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) updated website

All the old images on my Euler pages have been replaced with new ones.
In addition, there is a new page of miscellaneous images. Both at my
Geocities web site. I hope you enjoy your visit.

Gedeon
- --
- --------------------------------------------------------------
Fractals: http://www.geocities.com/~gedeonp/index.html
Member Infinite Fractal Loop
Last updated: February 18, 1999 - new and updated pages
Photography: http://members.xoom.com/gedeonp/index.html
Last updated: November 8, 1998
- --------------------------------------------------------------




- --------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List
Post Message:   [e-mail]
Get Commands:   [e-mail] "help"
Administrator:  [e-mail]
Unsubscribe:    [e-mail] "unsubscribe fractint"

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 08:20:36 -0800 (PST)
From: Ken Childress <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) How to Modify for UF

Jon,

> If somebody who is good with Ultra Fractal would take one of the images and
> modify it or enhance it I would be interested to see your results. This
> becuase I am just starting out with Ultra Fractal.

This quickest way to make a more interesting image from these PARs is
simply to use the "Smoothed Iterations (Mandlebrot)" Outside Coloring
method from the dmj.ucl collection.


Ken...



- --------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List
Post Message:   [e-mail]
Get Commands:   [e-mail] "help"
Administrator:  [e-mail]
Unsubscribe:    [e-mail] "unsubscribe fractint"

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 10:28:47 -0600
From: "Damien M. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) J of M?

Andrew,

You can find "faux Julias" all over the Mandelbrot set, once you know where
to look. You probably know from general exploring where to find
minibrots--in spiral arms, at the centers of certain clusters, etc. To find
a faux Julia, first find a minibrot (any minibrot). From that minibrot you
will see the usual threads stretching out; zoom in on one of these, and
look where you would normally expect to see a microbrot. On your way to
zooming towards the microbrot, you will see the faux Julia.

Furthermore, you can select the type of faux Julia you want to see. When
looking for the microbrot, look in areas of the minibrot that correspond to
areas of the master M-set which produce the Julia type you're looking for.
For example, if you want a faux Julia that looks like the Julia sets
produced with seeds from the Seahorse Valley, you would look for a
microbrot in the Seahorse Valley of the minibrot. If you want "brain" faux
Julias, you would look in the Elephant Valley of the minibrot (since Julia
sets taken from the Elephant Valley of the full M-set produce "brain" type
Julias).

Not only does this hold for the M-set, but it also holds for other formulas
which produce minibrots of their own. It also holds for mandeloids of
higher powers (they produce faux Julias of higher powers) and for formulas
which produce mandeloids of higher powers.

Damien M. Jones   \\
[e-mail]  \\  Fractalus Galleries & Info:
                    \\  http://www.fractalus.com/

Please do not post my e-mail address on a web site or
in a newsgroup.  Thank you.

- --------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List
Post Message:   [e-mail]
Get Commands:   [e-mail] "help"
Administrator:  [e-mail]
Unsubscribe:    [e-mail] "unsubscribe fractint"

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 10:40:32 -0800
From: Lee&SusanLane <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

- --------------2378BBD207E
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Tim Wegner wrote:
>
> I appreciate your support. However I want everyone to be clear that
> I am not advocating people stopping using UF, nor am I trying to
> encourage any "either or" attitude between  UF and Fractint. The
> point of my comments was not so much to be critical of UF but to
> advocate the idea of open source.
>

Tim,

I feel very bad that I gave the impression that I didn't keep
UltraFractal for the above reasons. I understand that UF is a superb and
appealing program, and had it become a useful tool for me, as Ken
Childress suggests, I would not have removed it. But after investigating
it briefly, I decided that my satisfaction with Fractint, for the way
the program works as well as for the philosophy of its authors, was such
that I was not motivated to learn a new program. I will take it as a
lesson in the pitfalls of facile communication, and apologize for any
ill effects.

Here now, are a few renderings of Sylvie's Gallet_9.frm.

Best regards,
Lee Lane

- --------------2378BBD207E
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline; filename="LLSG_9.par"

LLSG9-1            { ; Gallet_9-04      0:04:04.53 on PII-300 at 1280x1024
                     ; (c) 1999 by Lee Lane [Par date: Feb 18, 1999]
                     ; e-mail to: [e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=gallet_9.frm
  formulaname=gallet-9-04 function=sqrt/sqr passes=1
  center-mag=0.221377/-0.402819/1.569825/0.8488/136.401/-12.562
  params=1/1/12/2/1/2 float=y maxiter=256 inside=bof60 outside=real
  colors=000B48<6>936936A47<12>MADNADNBEOCE<10>YIJZJJ_KK`LKaML<25>yofzpgzp\
  g<8>g_ZeZYcXWaWV_UU<5>NLLLJKJIIHGG<5>555333000<3>00051C<2>51D61D61E71E71\
  E<21>H2LH3MI3MJ3M<11>Q4QQ4QR4QR4QR4QS4Q<28>`7M`7M`7M`7M`7M_7M<67>C48
  }

LLSG9-2            { ; Gallet_9-03      0:02:31.32 on PII-300 at 1280x1024
                     ; (c) 1999 by Lee Lane [Par date: Feb 18, 1999]
                     ; e-mail to: [e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=gallet_9.frm
  formulaname=gallet-9-03 function=ident passes=1
  center-mag=-1.78457136925488800/+0.00935822099108078/299.0144/1.6146/180
  params=1/2/2/1/0/0.01 float=y maxiter=256 outside=atan
  colors=JSIsmS<49>UMCTMCTLBTLB<25>872762652542432321<52>JRIJRIJSIKTJ<20>Q\
  bQQbQRcRScS<32>psiptiqtjqtjrtk<6>vxovxowxowxoxypyyqzzrzzp<27>xsWxsWxsVwr\
  VwrU<6>snS
  }

LLSG9-3            { ; Gallet_9-04      0:02:24.28 on PII-300 at 1024x768
                     ; (c) 1999 by Lee Lane [Par date: Feb 18, 1999]
                     ; e-mail to: [e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=gallet_9.frm
  formulaname=gallet-9-04 function=asinh/floor passes=b
  center-mag=-1.05692/0.114798/37.73484/1/180 params=0/2/2/2/2/0
  float=y maxiter=88 inside=bof61 outside=real
  colors=000NOt<5>EGsDFsBDr9Br<2>14q<43>uvz<3>BLB<3>FOFcccHQH<37>yyy`hkinp\
  rtuqp6<5>vuXHgY<4>MeYwww<5>uvsuvstvrsuq<44>7V2UPA<16>KPKlZ5<11>YRFXRGWQH\
  UPIUPIUPJUPJcccUPKTQL<9>TRP<5>utw<22>PQt
  }

LLSG9-4            { ; Gallet_9-04      0:01:25.73 on PII-300 at 1024x768
                     ; (c) 1999 by Lee Lane [Par date: Feb 18, 1999]
                     ; e-mail to: [e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=gallet_9.frm
  formulaname=gallet-9-04 function=asin/flip passes=1
  center-mag=-1.01421/-2.05391e-015/10.96033/1/-90
  params=0/1/32/-1/0/0 float=y maxiter=76 inside=bof61 outside=real
  colors=00060z<77>y0zz0zz0zz0z<2>y0yy0yx0xw0w<91>000VVVzzzzWWz00zW0zW0zj0\
  zz0<6>0z00z00z0<20>0zw0zz0xz<23>00z<2>00z00z10z20z<4>50z
  }

- --------------2378BBD207E--



- --------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List
Post Message:   [e-mail]
Get Commands:   [e-mail] "help"
Administrator:  [e-mail]
Unsubscribe:    [e-mail] "unsubscribe fractint"

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 12:01:36 +1100
From: "narada" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) FractintPARs : Are these in plain text?

I have reset my Outlook Express to send mail in normal text format, not
HTML, but I am not sure if it has worked. If not and there is still those
horrible 3= errors, can someone tell me how to change the settings? Its
Outlook Express that comes with IE4.01.
Thanks.



Franjipani       { ; Dan Vantari
                     ; Based on a Bill Rossi par of a William Decker frm
                     ; Narada's colour map
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=web.par formulaname=billsfv4
  function=cotan/sqrt/exp
  center-mag=0.0206845/-0.00708526/0.9902116/1.2096 params=5/0 float=y
  potential=256/200/0
  colors=000zum<23>zd2zc0zd0<14>zz0<15>z00<14>ZZZccc<7>zzz<6>00z<15>zz0<15\
  >z00<15>00z<15>0z0<15>z0z<14>N0NK0KJ1L<13>2Sk0Um0Vm<13>0km0mm0mm<14>0cz<\
  15>zzz<5>zvo
  }


IceCrystals       { ; Dan Vantari
                     ; Based on a Bill Rossi par of a William Decker frm

  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=var.par formulaname=billsfv4
  function=sqrt/cos/exp
  center-mag=0.0206845/-0.00708526/1.27913/1.2096 params=6/0 float=y
  potential=256/200/0
  colors=222ISaIUeIWiMYiMWeQYeQ_iUaiU_eUYaQWaQUYUWYUUUQSUQQQUSQUQMUOIQMIQO\
  MMMMMKIIIIIKMIMQMOQMQUIOUEMUEKQAIQAKU6IU2GU2EQ6GQ6EM2CM2AI6CIAEIAGMEIM<2\
  >ECAAAAACE6AE28E26A68A666246642A62A86EA6E82IA2MC2ME6IC6IEAIGEMIEMGAQIAQK\
  EUMEUKAUI6QG6QE2<2>aK2aM6YK6YMAYOEaQEaOAeQAeSEiUEiSAiQ6eO6eM2iO2mQ2mS6qU\
  6qS2uU2yW2yY6uW6uYAy_AyaEu_EqYEqWAmUA<2>m_MqaMq_IuaIycIyeMucMueQygQyiUug\
  UqeUqcQmaQmcUiaUe_UeYQi_QiYMiWIeUIeWMaUMaSIYQIYSMYUQaWQaYUYWUYYYa_YaaaY_\
  aYaeYciaeiaceeeeegiiiiigeieaecaeaYicYmeYmgaqiaqgYuiYykYymaukaumeyoeyqiuo\
  iqmiqkemie<2>moqqqqqomuqmysmyuqusquuuywuyyyuwyquyqsumqumsyiqyeoyemuiouim\
  qikmeimekqaiqagmYemYgqYiuakuamy<2>QgyQeuUguUeqUcmQamQcqMaqM_mIYmI_qIauMc\
  uMeyIcyEayE_uAYuA_y6Yy2Wy2Uu6Wu6Uq2Sq2Qm6SmAUmAWqEYq<2>ESeAQeASi6Qi2Oi2M\
  e6Oe6Ma2Ka2IY6KYAMYAOaEQaEOYIQYMSYMUa
  }

frm:billsfv4  {
  temp = pixel :
  z = fn1(temp^p1)
  IF (5 < z)
    temp = fn2(temp)
  ELSE
    temp = fn3(z)
  ENDIF
  z < 100
  }



- --------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List
Post Message:   [e-mail]
Get Commands:   [e-mail] "help"
Administrator:  [e-mail]
Unsubscribe:    [e-mail] "unsubscribe fractint"

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 11:56:48 +1100
From: "narada" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Fractint- Metaphor

Hi.
Wathcing the discussion about the relative virtues of Ultra Fractal etc, I
am surprised no one has mentioned a rather important difference to my way of
seeing things. 'Layering' being one of its main features means that the end
result you are looking at is often not actually a fractal anymore. It is a
fractal pattern manipulated by image editing tools. Sometimes this can be
used to reveal more clearly the actual structure of the fractal, but I think
that unless this is done deliberately, artistic concerns will tend to take
over, and the stucture will be somewhat distorted, if not totally messed up.

Is not half the attraction of fractals the beauty of their nature, and the
insights into the structure of reality that they can give us??? (I do
realise that not all images generated with Fractint are 'True Fractals' for
a number of reasons including computational quirks, but even so these are
interesting for themselves too, and not 'merely' esthetic manipulations by
the 'artist'.)

It has often occured to me that each new technology or scientific discovery
humans invent gives us a new metaphor to use in our understanding of
ourselves, our minds, and the universe. The computer has been an especially
powerful metaphor for a few reasons: it is a 'universal machine', an
'anything box', and as such is the epitomy of the whole mechanistic
metaphor, and one which is complex enough to contain many sub-metaphors
such as harware/software, peripherals, programming languages,
input/outputdevices, etc etc.

It seems to me that the metaphorical implications of fractals, (and chaos
and complexity also), have barely begun to make themselves felt, but the
potential seems rather awesome, if not actually endless. I instantly felt
when I came across fractals that here was a better metaphor for the
structure of reality than quantuum mechanics. (Of course you know how much
even Einstien resisted quantuum mechanics because it did not make intuitive
sense to him that the universe should be so discontinuous.)

I myself am not qualified in maths, physics or computer science, or
philosophy, but am an artist with a fascination for these things. I am
hoping one day to find that someone is working out the practicalities of
using this incredible new metaphor in these disciplines. For instance, as I
understand it, a 'particle' such as an electron has a field of 'virtual
particles' that surround it like a cloud, becoming ever more diffuse and
improbable with distance, and each virtual particle also has its cloud of
even more virtual and improbable particles. (I know I am taking metaphorical
liberties with the language, if anyone would like to tidy up the expression
of this idea they are welcome). Isn't this a wonderful fractal structure???

What if the way particles interact is in some way like the way the areas of
complexity appear in different parts of a mandelbrot? Hmmm, let me try to
explain. As 2 particles approach each other their virtual fields interact
more strongly sending ripples of probability inward along the fillaments
that connect the minibrots that represent lakes of higher possibility, until
at a certain threshold it becomes probable enough to cause change in the
'real' particle. Well, thats pretty sloppy, I hope you get some idea of what
Im on about. :-)

Another thought: it has often seemed strange to me that the mandelbrot
hasone end. I mean, you can go down into it indefinitely, but when you come
up you reach its boundary. What if one was living on a brot an infinite
number of levels down into the mandel and trying to understand the nature of
the whole thing? Is this a fruitful metaphor for our search for God?

OK. So. A question, especially for any cosmically minded mathemeticians out
there: Have you ever thought about the metaphorical meaning of different
fractal formulas? What does the mandel (for instance) represent in terms of
the type of algorithym that generates it. What does its strucure then teach
us about the kind of things that it models? is I suppose a corrolary
question.

If there were a lot of people interested in this sort of thing, I dream of
actually putting together a book of speculative musings, mostly by asking
questions of those who are more qualified to answer these than I am.
I also find that Fractint itself provies more levels of metaphor in its
functionality, such as colorcycling, formula editing, pallette creating, etc
etc.
All these things are useful to me as metaphors for my internal processes.

So, many thanks to those who made it such fun to explore these questions.
I think thats enough for now.
I include a few pars below.

Best
Narada


- --------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List
Post Message:   [e-mail]
Get Commands:   [e-mail] "help"
Administrator:  [e-mail]
Unsubscribe:    [e-mail] "unsubscribe fractint"

------------------------------

End of fractint-digest V1 #369
******************************