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fractint-digest       Wednesday, August 12 1998       Volume 01 : Number 270




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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:10:47 -0400
From: "RJ Corradino" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) plagiarism

I apologize for the 'intelligence' statement, as I reread it I can see it
was an incredibly lame thing to say, and it didn't even illustrate my
intended point.  The only person who's intelligence is in question is my
own.

' '
 |
\_/

I agree with you- it *should* be left up to the author of the original.
Still, I seriously doubt that anyone could produce anything that different
if all they did was rotate and cycle.  If they made they're own map, it'd be
a different story, wouldn't it?  The same goes if they zoomed, and left the
original map on.



> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Michael Traynor
> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 4:45 PM
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: RE: (fractint) plagiarism
>
>
> >I really don't see this as a copyright issue.  I think it's more of an
> >intelligence issue than anything else.  The question "Can I
> enter an image
> >that is only a rotation and color cycle away from some one else's?" has
> >already been asked and answered: "No, you can't."  We are all intelligent
> >people, and I doubt anyone would be dumb enough to disregard that 'no.'
>
> The answer came, no doubt from God almighty?
>
> As to the idea that intelligent persons cannot differ, implicit in the
> last line, that is an essentially totalitarian notion.  In the incredibly
> unlikely event that anyone used a par I posted here (quite some time ago)
> and rotated and cycled it and produced something they wanted to enter, I'd
> consider whether it was different enough to be theirs and not mine.  If we
> differed, I'd be inclined to submit them for comment from the list.  I do
> consider myself intelligent but am quite prepared for others to differ
> without calling their intelligence into question (Wizzle for example in
> this discussion - we seem to have a different take, but I do not for an
> instant question her intelligence, and especially not her ability).
>
>
> --
> Mike Traynor
>
> People who like this sort of thing will find this the sort of
> thing they like.
>     Abraham Lincoln
>
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:36:00 -0700
From: "Angela Wilczynski" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism

I thought the original question was a pretty intelligent and reasonable
one myself and tried to provide a resonable answer, but clearly my
opinion was different.

I think fractals make a particularly interesting debate
because......yes..images can be copyrighted....but...no....math formulas
(and short algorithms) can't be. So we are in a sort of gray area (but
with color cycling possibilities) as far as distinct title to "my"
fractal is concerned.  Many of the standards developed over the years
for title to intellectual properties have been strained by the new
methodologies associated with the computer. Part of the function of
groups like ours is, I believe, to examine how to adapt those standards
to our brave new world. Hence my interest in the question......more as
an intellectual problem but touched off  by a practical question
regarding the contest.

Angela


Michael Traynor wrote:
>
> >I really don't see this as a copyright issue.  I think it's more of an
> >intelligence issue than anything else.  The question "Can I enter an image
> >that is only a rotation and color cycle away from some one else's?" has
> >already been asked and answered: "No, you can't."  We are all intelligent
> >people, and I doubt anyone would be dumb enough to disregard that 'no.'
>
> The answer came, no doubt from God almighty?
>
> As to the idea that intelligent persons cannot differ, implicit in the
> last line, that is an essentially totalitarian notion.  In the incredibly
> unlikely event that anyone used a par I posted here (quite some time ago)
> and rotated and cycled it and produced something they wanted to enter, I'd
> consider whether it was different enough to be theirs and not mine.  If we
> differed, I'd be inclined to submit them for comment from the list.  I do
> consider myself intelligent but am quite prepared for others to differ
> without calling their intelligence into question (Wizzle for example in
> this discussion - we seem to have a different take, but I do not for an
> instant question her intelligence, and especially not her ability).
>
> --
> Mike Traynor
>
> People who like this sort of thing will find this the sort of thing they like.
>         Abraham Lincoln

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:36:29 -0700 (MST)
From: Kerry Mitchell <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) plagiarism

On Tue, 11 Aug 1998, RJ Corradino wrote:

> I agree with you- it *should* be left up to the author of the original.
> Still, I seriously doubt that anyone could produce anything that different
> if all they did was rotate and cycle.  If they made they're own map, it'd be
> a different story, wouldn't it?  The same goes if they zoomed, and left the
> original map on.

Just to muck up the waters even further...

If the original image used only (say) 16 colors of a 256 color map, or
1000 colors of a 65K map, then there is a lot of room left for variation
by color-cycling.  In particular, I once made an image with a relatively
few colors, and the rest of the palette was white.  Then, as the palette
was cycled, the image came in, piece by piece.  Also, cheap animations
have been done this way; given a loop that fades between Person A at the
left of the screen and Person B at the right of the screen.  If Person A
is drawn with the first 128 colors and Person B is drawn with the next 128
colors, then cycling will show Person A then Person B, in a loop.  All
this is done with one "image", cycling the colors.  This effect, combined
with rotating and zooming, can lead to *very* different images.

Next picky point:  given programs like Fractint that have default values
for many fractal modes and discrete zooming steps, it's not all that
unlikely that two independent fractalers can come up with the same image.
Especially considering the proliferation of freely contributed parameter
and color map files.  While the space of *possible* images is certainly
immense, the space of *likely* images is much, much smaller.

Conclusion:  I don't have one.  I don't think it's a clear-cut issue when
a work is a rip-off and when it is a legimate derivative work.  I guess
that's why we have copyright registration, intellectual property
attorneys, and the courts.  I always try to make sure my work is
independent, if not unique, but I'd be hard pressed to prove it in court.

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:21:19 -0700
From: Ray Montgomery <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Wrong address for Sylvie Gallet

    I wanted to visit Sylvie's updated "Fractal of the Week" but was unable to
make a connection.  I received a notice "Page Not Found" with three items,
only one of which I remember, which gave Sylvie's name as "Sylvie%2Gallet"
rather than "Sylvie Gallet" as indicated in the post.
    Does anybody know whether the address is incorrectly posted, or am I
drifting in another 'unknown world"?
    Please, somebody, haul me back in.
                            Ray


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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:46:09 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Wrong address for Sylvie Gallet

In a message dated 11-08-98 8:20:22 PM EST, [e-mail] writes:

>     I wanted to visit Sylvie's updated "Fractal of the Week"

Try, using cut and paste instead of typing, it use to frustrate me to no end.
Great fractal Sylvie...definately need to go there.

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet/

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:08:10 -0400
From: abraxas <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Corrupt save / return to picture - display mode??

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I'm having the same problem but it disappears if I restart my computer
in DOS mode only.....ie exit Windows 95, and run Fractint from DOS.
Anybody else know why Fractint doesn't want to save properly or
sometimes not even draw when I use
DOS on top of Win95 ?? Got tons of ram and PII-300 with ATI
All-IN-Wonder_Pro video card with 8Meg. Had same problem before on a
P166
Charlie

Regina & Steve wrote:

>  I have just started to use fractint and in all graphics mode
> exceptIBM 4 Colour CGA and IBM Hi-Res B & W CGAI either get no picture
> or the picture gets corrupted when I "return to " it or try to save
> it? Is there a fix? What info is needed for someone to give me the
> correct graphics info (is it the .cfg file???) Thanks in
> advance                        -Regina



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I'm having the same problem but it disappears if I restart my computer
in DOS mode only.....ie exit Windows 95, and run Fractint from DOS. Anybody
else know why Fractint doesn't want to save properly or sometimes not even
draw when I use
<BR>DOS on top of Win95 ?? Got tons of ram and PII-300 with ATI All-IN-Wonder_Pro
video card with 8Meg. Had same problem before on a P166
<BR>Charlie

<P>Regina & Steve wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>I have
just started to use fractint and in all graphics mode except</FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>IBM
4 Colour CGA and IBM Hi-Res B & W CGA</FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>I
either get no picture or the picture gets corrupted when I "return to "
it or try to save it? Is there a fix? What info is needed for someone to
give me the correct graphics info (is it the .cfg file???)</FONT></FONT> <FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>Thanks
in advance</FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>
- -Regina</FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:51:21 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) why? plagiarism

When this all started I actually said to my self :
why is this such a touchy subject?

I've been folowing this thread and read the copyright stuff and think I
understand the concept.  This thread, though, is turning into yarn.  I'm a
short timer to the list and have always concidered anything posted as workable
and changable as long as credit was duly given.

A short answer like 'no', a fractal that has been color cycled from an
existing par is not acceptible in the contest may have stiffled a lot of heat.
For purposes of education, it is acceptable in the list.  We probably would
all take pot shots at this poor person for not giving credit where it due.  I
copied the letters of the alphabet thousands of times until I new each letter.
Fractals are just a different alphabet for expressing the unexpressible.

Grey areas and fine lines inevitably lead to disagreements and harsh words.
Some of us are artists/mathematicians and some mathematicians/artists but all
of us are professional. We should be proud of the art generated by the list,
its diversity, and especially its openness to all comers.

I think that similarities in fractal images, rendering methods, coloring
schemes all fall under a "school of thought" not necessarily "ripping someone
off".

(rip off Gene Rodenberry)
To explore strange new worlds and new dimensions, To proudly go where no man
has ever gone before....this is the mission of the Fractint List.

Best regards,
Rui

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:58:36 -0500
From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism - PAR values

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> In one of Tim's early posts on the subject he explains it is
> possible to acsess the parameters and extract any copyright
> information that may have been encoded into the par.  I can
> see obviously where this is when looking at a par itself,
> but if you JUST have the Fractint produced image, what do you
> "press" to see the original par that generated that image?
>

If you load in a FractInt produced GIF image into FractInt (using the
<r> command), then you can turn right around and save that image's
parameters and color map to the appropriate filr type.  But the comments
will probably be picked up from the defaults that exist within your
SSTOOLS.INI file.

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:44:51 -0600
From: "Tim Wegner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) plagiarism

Re the issue of just cycling the colors. Of course merely cycling the colors
hardly constitutes a brand new creative image. But having said that, I've seen
plenty of occasions where artists had friendly competitions recoloring each
other's fractals to show them off better. Of course, what made that work was
there was never any claim of originality, and the original was always credited.

A fractal's appearance can in some circumstances be completely altered by
coloring. Another way to state this is that a typical fractal has too much
information to be visually absorbed. Coloring can simplify the structure and
draws attention to a different aspect of the structure.

I'm not really arguing against those who abhor the idea of recoloring someone
else's fractals and claiming it as their own. But by not allowing recoloring in at
least some friendly competitions (with full credit of course) we may be missing
some very interesting images. If recoloring is not allowed in the current contest,
maybe there should be another "coloring" contest sometime :-)

Tim


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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:18:17 -0700
From: kathy roth <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) not my map

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JimBeau wrote:

> Here's a lot of similiar images, yet quite nice to look at and fast to
> draw. I
> used a colormap from one of Kathy Roths pars that seemed to fit these
> images
>
oops! That's Linda Allison's map.  I do use it a lot-
it's a great map.  It is lindaa16 in the collection that
Wizzle assembled.


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images</PRE>
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oops! That's Linda Allison's map.  I do use it a lot-
<BR>it's a great map.  It is lindaa16 in the collection that
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:46:31 -0500
From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism

Tim Wegner wrote:
>
> I've seen plenty of occasions where artists had friendly
> competitions recoloring each other's fractals to show them
> off better.
> .......... ( snipped ) ...........
> If recoloring is not allowed in the current contest, maybe
> there should be another "coloring" contest sometime  :-)
>

I remember in the Spring of '97 when many individuals on the Fractal-Art
Discussion List were doing several versions of a "flower".  (Can't
recall at the moment who's formula and/or parameter started it all.)
But there were many interesting variations that may not have ever been
produced if cycling the colors wasn't allowed to be submitted.

This would make an interesting FractInt contest for the end of the year,
but I would suggest having at least 10 completely different FRM/PAR
combinations.  Then allow each participant only one entry per FRM/PAR,
with a total of three entries.

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:10:51 +0200
From: Vyvey Jan <[e-mail]>
Subject: AW: (fractint) Corrupt save / return to picture - display mode??

>I'm having the same problem but it disappears if I restart my computer
>in DOS mode only.....ie exit Windows 95, and run Fractint from DOS.
>Anybody else know why Fractint doesn't want to save properly or
>sometimes not even draw when I use
>DOS on top of Win95 ?? Got tons of ram and PII-300 with ATI
>All-IN-Wonder_Pro video card with 8Meg. Had same problem before on a
>P166
>Charlie

Everytime I read in this mailing list about problems with fractint (most
of the time with the video) it's because one starts fractint in a dos
box from without WIN95 or (recently) WIN98 or whatever DOS box it may
be.

Let me gave you one good advice: Run Fractint directly from 100 % pure
DOS, then it's good, beautiful and FAST.

And if you want to use other operating systems on the same computer, do
as I do and install the software bootmanager called SYSTEM COMMANDER
that gives you the opportunity to start your PC in DOS, WIN311, WIN95,
WIN98, WINNT, OS2, Linux, ot whatever OS you have and want to use. I
have on my PC a partition with DOS622, one with WIN311 and one with
WINNT40. When you want to use another OS, simply reboot your PC, choose
the OS and start (without anything resident of course) your OS in the
circumstances that are best for that OS (and fractint runs best in DOS
of course).

Greetings,

Jan



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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 04:24:29 -0500
From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Corrupt save / return to picture - display mode??

abraxas wrote:
>
> I'm having the same problem but it disappears if I restart my computer
> in DOS mode only.....ie exit Windows 95, and run Fractint from DOS.
>

In the Resource List that Janet Preslar posts (around once a month),
there is this reference which might help you:

    Windows 95, How to run FractInt for DOS under ù
        http://fractal.mta.ca/fractint/fracwin95.html

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 05:48:06 -0400
From: Sylvie Gallet <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Wrong address for Sylvie Gallet

Hi Ray,

>>    I wanted to visit Sylvie's updated "Fractal of the Week" but was
>> unable to make a connection.  I received a notice "Page Not Found"
>> with three items, only one of which I remember, which gave Sylvie's
>> name as "Sylvie%2Gallet" rather than "Sylvie Gallet" as indicated in
>> the post.  =

>>    Does anybody know whether the address is incorrectly posted, or am =
I
>> drifting in another 'unknown world"?

  The address was correctly posted, with my first and last names separate=
d
by an underscore.  Here it is again:

   http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet/homepage.htm

  Cheers,

        - Sylvie

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 05:48:07 -0400
From: Sylvie Gallet <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Wrong address for Sylvie Gallet

Hi Rui,

>> Great fractal Sylvie...definately need to go there.
>>
>> http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet/

  Thanks!

  Cheers,

        - Sylvie

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 06:23:38 -0400
From: Sylvie Gallet <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism

Hi Paul,

>> I remember in the Spring of '97 when many individuals on the
>> Fractal-Art Discussion List were doing several versions of a
>> "flower".  (Can't recall at the moment who's formula and/or parameter
>> started it all.) =


  The original image was "Orchid" by Jon Noring.

  Cheers,

        - Sylvie


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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 07:50:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ian Kaplan <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism

> I think fractals make a particularly interesting debate
> because......yes..images can be copyrighted....but...no....math formulas
> (and short algorithms) can't be. So we are in a sort of gray area (but

Strangely (to move a bit off-topic) a recent patent court ruling has made
fractint formulas, along with essentially any other mathematical method
or programming technique, patentable! The terms of the ruling are very
strange. Its apparent intent is to allow software developers to patent
their underlying algorithms, but as stated it would allow the inventor
of, say, addition to patent his work. Newton and Leibnitz, had they lived
and worked under this law, would have had to fight for the patent to the
calculus, and once one of them won, no one else could do anything with
calculus without their permission.

This completes the intrusion of patent law into the hard sciences and
natural law. What do you fractartists think about new fractals being
subject to patent? and coloring methods? does this make any sense at all? is
the author of a new formula an inventor or just a discoverer, and should
we protect her work? should Tim go apply for appropriate patents on
various fractint techniques, to protect the free license from commercial
competition or something?


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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:53:59 +0200
From: Guy Marson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) 35 pars(fn*z+z)kroth map

At 16:53 11.08.1998 EDT, you wrote:
>
>Here's a lot of similiar images, yet quite nice to look at and fast to
draw. I
>used a colormap from one of Kathy Roths pars that seemed to fit these images
>perfectly.
>
>Enjoy~
>
>Jimbo
>



Hi fractinters,


; While experimenting with a par-file from Jimbo
; I found a strange behaviour of Fractint 19.6 in the TYPE=FN*Z+Z.
; The "1:1" shows the original image, the pictures named strange!, ..1, ..2
and
; ..3 are zoom-in's with as result: broken images.. strange...? or, a bug..?
; enjoy,
; Guy





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  reset=1960 type=fn*z+z function=sin center-mag=0/0/0.1116625
  params=0.45/0.82/-0.82/0.4 float=y maxiter=550 bailout=4
  bailoutest=and potential=255/600/0 invert=1/1.1/0 symmetry=xyaxis
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:52:58 +0200
From: Joe Pearson <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) plagiarism

>This completes the intrusion of patent law into the hard sciences and
>natural law. What do you fractartists think about new fractals being
>subject to patent? and coloring methods? does this make any sense at all? is
>the author of a new formula an inventor or just a discoverer, and should
>we protect her work? should Tim go apply for appropriate patents on
>various fractint techniques, to protect the free license from commercial
>competition or something?

OK OK ... I had stayed out of this copyright discussion until now but
(to quote Dilbert) it's better than working.  I *have* read the
copyright_discussion.doc, at least most of it.

There is a concept in patent law, I believe, about "obvious" ideas not
being patentable.  There is a legitimate question over whether formulae,
colour maps etc are obvious or not. (In line with something Angela said,
this community is probably as advanced as any in exploring these issues
and I think it's worthwhile.)

Good example: I use a "rainbow" colour map quite often for fractal
exploring.  The fact is I copied this map from a fractal posted here,
but I have also created some variants from scratch.  I also created a
smoothly shaded map from black through pure blue to white which I use a
lot.  But neither example could really be considered for patenting - or
copyrighting - because it's quite likely anyone could produce them
independently from the simple ideas.  So I don't feel bad that I've
forgotten whose map I copied originally.

Now, is "z -> z^2+c" obvious?  Is the concept of plotting escape-time
fractals obvious?  Separately they are ... and the fact that no one
Before Mandelbrot knew about the resulting image from combining them was
because of the lack of computing power.

There are surely many formulae and computation methods that are not at
all obvious.  But the question of whether they are "invented" or just
"discovered" is one that has applied to mathematics for a long time.  I
don't know which way to go but a formula carefully crafted for a
specific effect would seem much more legitimately patentable than one
which by chance is found to produce pretty images.

Joe

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 07:44:33 -0700
From: "John Wilson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Running FRACTINT in WIN95

Paul, in connection with running FRACTINT under WIN95 you wrote;

>In the Resource List that Janet Preslar posts (around once a month),
>there is this reference which might help you:
>
>    Windows 95, How to run FractInt for DOS under
>        http://fractal.mta.ca/fractint/fracwin95.html


Having experienced some small inconvenience in that regard, I took a look at
this reference.
Talk about differences of opinion between the experts!

JAY
For starters, make sure the DOS window properties are set to Misc. | Always
suspend' = off."
DAMIEN
Turn ON Always suspend.

JAY
Also, you can put the Idle Sensitivity to high.
DAMIEN
Set the Idle sensitivity to about 1/4, closest to Low.

Seems to me that the way to go is to create a shortcut to FRACTINT.EXE,
right-click  on it, choose Properties, and fiddle around with all of them,
until you find something that works for you!  I had to re--boot a couple of
times in the process, but the whole thing now runs smoothly on my P166,
(admittedly with 64Mb RAM).

John Wilson




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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:11:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ken Childress <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Running FRACTINT in WIN95

>
> Paul, in connection with running FRACTINT under WIN95 you wrote;
>
> >In the Resource List that Janet Preslar posts (around once a month),
> >there is this reference which might help you:
> >
> >    Windows 95, How to run FractInt for DOS under
> >        http://fractal.mta.ca/fractint/fracwin95.html
>
> Having experienced some small inconvenience in that regard, I took a look at
> this reference.
> Talk about differences of opinion between the experts!

I recently did this for Win95 and WinNT.  For Win95, I simply created a
shortcut to Fractint.exe.  I used the default settings, which seems to
match one of the suggestions in the above link.  I have had no problems
running Fractint using the shortcut.

I have also run in a DOS window batch files created using partobat.  I
simply minimized the window and let it fly.  I have been able to run
Photoshop, scan photographs, print, play pinball, etc. without any
problem.  Of course, remember to make sure your PATH is set correctly,
etc. for your particular setup.

I think the important thing to realize about running Fractint in
Win95/98/NT is to use a "Render to Disk" video mode.  That is the
safest, especially if you want to do other things while generating
images.

WinNT has been a bit more complicated, and am still ironing out the
details.  If anyone has any questions about NT, they can feel free to
email me privately.



Ken...






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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:26:25 -0700
From: "Phil Sasich" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism

Recently Ian Kaplan wrote:
>Strangely (to move a bit off-topic) a recent patent court ruling has made
> fractint formulas, along with essentially any other mathematical method
> or programming technique, patentable! The terms of the ruling are very
> strange......

I've been reading the debate over this with interest. Do you by chance
recall the citation of
the court case or the title or date of the ruling. It would be interesting
to read the rationale in more detail. Thanks for your thoughts and any
further info.
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> From: Ian Kaplan <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism
> Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 4:50 AM
>
> > I think fractals make a particularly interesting debate
> > because......yes..images can be copyrighted....but...no....math
formulas
> > (and short algorithms) can't be. So we are in a sort of gray area (but
>
> Strangely (to move a bit off-topic) a recent patent court ruling has made

> fractint formulas, along with essentially any other mathematical method
> or programming technique, patentable! The terms of the ruling are very
> strange. Its apparent intent is to allow software developers to patent
> their underlying algorithms, but as stated it would allow the inventor
> of, say, addition to patent his work. Newton and Leibnitz, had they lived

> and worked under this law, would have had to fight for the patent to the
> calculus, and once one of them won, no one else could do anything with
> calculus without their permission.
>
> This completes the intrusion of patent law into the hard sciences and
> natural law. What do you fractartists think about new fractals being
> subject to patent? and coloring methods? does this make any sense at all?
is
> the author of a new formula an inventor or just a discoverer, and should
> we protect her work? should Tim go apply for appropriate patents on
> various fractint techniques, to protect the free license from commercial
> competition or something?
>
>
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