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fractint-digest        Tuesday, August 11 1998        Volume 01 : Number 268




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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 21:37:20 -0400
From: "Peter Gavin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) text formats, etc

In the windows directory, you'll find a 'write.exe' file.  'wordpad.exe' is
in 'C:\Program Files\Accessories' (normally) and I'm pretty sure write (in
Win95, at least) just calls wordpad (or _is_ wordpad under a different
name).  MS did this so Win3.1 programs that depend on write would still
work.  And (for John Misterio's benefit) aliases _are_ available (in a
simplified manner) in Win95.  In the registry, there is a key called
'AppPaths' (or something, I can't exactly remember where in the heirarchy,
though) that has a bunch of aliases for programs.  For example, if you look
under 'explorer' you'll find 'C:\Windows\explorer.exe'.  I guess 'wordpad'
would be aliased to 'C:\Program Files\Accessories\wordpad.exe' (normally).
If you type the one-word alias in the Run box, you run the program it points
at.
As far as wordpad's doc format, it is a simplified version of Word 6.0's
format.  You can open Wordpad's docs in Word 6.0 (or later), but if you use
features found in Word 6.0 but not in Wordpad, you'll have trouble getting
it to open in Wordpad.  Any version from Word95 on will not open in Wordpad,
but all versions of Word can open previous version's docs.  I have heard
that after Word98, MS will use some kind of HTML or XML format for _all_ its
office documents.  I don't think they will be viewable in just any old
browser...  just IE <g>.



Pete
<[e-mail]>

//  -----Original Message-----
//  From: [e-mail]
//  [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of John C. A.
//  Misterio'
//  Sent: Sunday, August 09, 1998 2:01 AM
//  To: [e-mail]
//  Subject: Re: (fractint) text formats, etc
//
//
//  Dean-Christian Strik wrote:
//
//  > :On Windows NT 4.0 with SP3, running the command line "write" starts
//  > :WordPad.
//  > :
//  > :(I guess there was a Windows Write in Win 3.x, which was different.)
//  >
//  > Indeed, from win95 and winNT 4.0, write replaces wordpad.
//  Although it's
//  > curious that 'write' starts wordpad. Does the command
//  'wordpad' work? If not,
//  > maybe 'write' is an explorer alias.
//
//  ALIAS ??? This really hi-technology in WINDOWS ???
//  Sorry, must be a joke.
//
//  Markus
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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 23:09:09 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) missing frm files

Please help, I am looking for some frm files.

I checked Spanky's listing of frm files and couldn' find them.  I tried to
reconstruct them using orgform and it didn't work very well.  Is there
anywhere else I can go?  I've seen individual formulas asked for in the list
but not whole frm files.

If you are the owner of any of the following frm files could you email it to
me, text or attatchment makes no difference to me.  Thank you very much.

ORMAN17A.FRM    ORMAN2.FRM    ORMAN3.FRM    PAUL.FRM    PDERB.FRM    PDG02.FRM
PETERMAN.FRM    PETERNEW.FRM    ROLLO.FRM    SCI_FRAC.FRM    SKINV13R.FRM        SKIN151.FRM

I read something about someone wanting to archive lots of pars and frms...Hows
that endeavor going?

Best regards
Rui

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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 20:28:05 -0700
From: "Art Baker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Contest 98

Is there any reason I cannot connect to "www.fractulus.com/contest98/"
I've tried several times without success.


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Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 22:42:43 -0500
From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Contest 98

Art Baker wrote:
>
> Is there any reason I cannot connect to "www.fractulus.com/contest98/"
> I've tried several times without success.
>

The reason that most obviously comes to mind would be normal
maintenance.  Another possibility is the "Baby Bell" strike that may
cause problems with the phone lines.  Then there is the spelling of the
Domain name:  fractalus.com  instead of:  fractulus.com

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Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 21:15:53 -0700
From: "Jay Hill" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Jay Hill where are you!?!? (was copyrights)

News flash...

Web page update...
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/3825/

> The Fractint discussion list had a useful exchange on Copyrights
> (MS Word)
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/3825/copyright.zip
> collected by Linda Allison. Also, a zip file containing an ASCII version.
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/3825/Copyrigh.zip
> NEW  8/9/1998

The ASCII file is MSDOS text with long lines wrapped. Linda sent me the
zipped file in early April. Alas it was a Word doc file. It seems few are
consulting the file until now, including me. :-)

A new pointer has been added to the iFAQ also.
http://home.san.rr.com/jayrhill/iFAQ/iFAQ.html

Hope this helps. BTW, a subject heading with my name in it would
have definitely gotten my attention two days ago.

I am 1656 Fractint list messages behind so just now noticed the flap.
Very sorry to have this happen. Now, back to the search for the
winning Fractal Art Contest image.  :-)

Jay Hill


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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:08:34 MET-1MEST
From: "Thomas Broch-Nielsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Permadia 2 chip set

Hi

I just bought a new grahics card, instead of my ancient cirrus logic,
a creative blaster exxtreme based on the 3dlabs permadia 2 chip set,
onfortunately now when a try to run any of the hi-rez modes, it
simply says this video mode not available with your adater, since
320*200*256 is NOT my favourite mode, i was someone could help me get
fix this problem, anyone out there with an updated fractint.cfg or
whatever.

Thomas Broch
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 00:13:54 -0700
From: "Art Baker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) Contest 98

Thanks Paul:
 Although I spelled it wrong in my message I am using the correct URL. I
have connected in the past.I have tried several times since Sunday morning
including just a few minutes ago and it won"t connect. I'm wondering if
anyone else has been able to connect. I would think many  would would have
tried since the Contest has ended.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Paul N. Lee
> Sent: Sunday, August 09, 1998 8:43 PM
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: (fractint) Contest 98
>
>
> Art Baker wrote:
> >
> > Is there any reason I cannot connect to "www.fractulus.com/contest98/"
> > I've tried several times without success.
> >
>
> The reason that most obviously comes to mind would be normal
> maintenance.  Another possibility is the "Baby Bell" strike that may
> cause problems with the phone lines.  Then there is the spelling of the
> Domain name:  fractalus.com  instead of:  fractulus.com
>
> P.N.L.
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 00:37:07 -0700
From: kathy roth <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) pars

This triangle coloring method is really nice.

late_for_the_sky   { ; 7-98 kathy roth
                     ; frm by Damien Jones
                     ; palette from Sylvie Gallet
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm
  formulaname=dmj-mand-triangle
center-mag=0.223905/-0.577212/13.33333
  params=0/0/0/0/0/0 float=y maxiter=256
inside=0 outside=real
  colors=00K3BC<5>000svv<6>AUU<22>00\
0zzz<6>UdW<18>698586465343222000zzz<6>\
  fbHcZAbYA<21>000zzz<7>mU5<22>000zzz<5>fS\
TbMNaMN<22>000zzz<6>WQ_<18>86865\
  6545333222000zzz<7>PPZ<22>000zzz<6>H\
ii<13>6IK5GI4EG4DE
  }

trees  {
  colors=000QTY<10>cho<15>000<17>c0\
U<35>403302000<24>``WbbYccZee`ffa<12>zz\
  u<16>UUQSSOQQMOOLMMJKKH<8>22200\
0000<75>000111223<17>PSW
  }

trees0              { ; 7-98 kathy roth
                     ; frm by Damien Jones
                     ; droz map
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm
  formulaname=dmj-mand-triangle passes=3
  center-mag=+0.16003098777442180/-0.63397124509609590/345.8532
  params=0/0/0/0/0/0 float=y maxiter=256
fillcolor=200 inside=100  outside=real
  colors=000<3>O44U55Z66c77h88l99pAA\
sBBuBBxBByCCzCCzCC<2>xBBuBBsBBpAAl99<2\
  >Z66U55O44<3>000<14>zmm<14>67424\
1000<3>99OBBUDDZFFcHHhJJlKKpMMsNNuNNxOOy\
  OOzPPz<2>NNxNNuMMsKKpJJl<2>DDZBB\
U99O<3>000<2>IE3Z66UN5ZR6cV7hZ8la9pdAsgB\
  uiBxjBylCzlCzmCzlCylCxjBuiBsgBpd\
Ala9<2>ZR6UN5OJ4<3>000<31>000<4>00Q00V00\
  Z00b00f00i<3>00r00r00s00r00r00p00n\
00l00i<2>00Z00V00Q<4>000<3>E2HI2LL3PO3\
  TR4WU4ZW4aY5d_5e`5ga5ha5ib5ia5ia\
5h`5g_5eY5dW4aU4ZR4W<2>I2LE2HB1D71930400\
  0<2>IEEOJJUNNZRRcVVhZZlaapddsgguii\
xjjyllzllzmmzllyllxjjuiisggpddlaa<2>ZR\
  RUNNOJJ<2>644 cyclerange=32/41
  }

trees1             { ; 7-98 kathy roth
                     ; frm by Damien Jones
                     ; palette from Sylvie Gallet
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm
  formulaname=dmj-mand-triangle passes=3
  center-mag=+0.15757193207759990/-0.63818861583681340/109.2896
  params=0/0/0/0/0/0 float=y maxiter=256
fillcolor=200 inside=100 outside=real
  colors=00K112000zzz<6>Hii<13>6IK5\
GI4EG4DE3BCwww<4>wwwsvv<6>AUU<22>000zzz\
  <6>UdW<18>698586465343222000zzz<6>fbHcZ\
AbYA<21>000zzz<7>mU5<22>000zzz<5>\
  fSTbMNaMN<22>000zzz<4>d`gPVcWQ_<18>868\
656545333222000zzz<7>PPZ<20>223
  }

trees2             { ; 7-98 kathy roth
                     ; frm by Damien Jones
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm
  formulaname=dmj-mand-triangle
  center-mag=-1.44731035166732200/-0.00001203929566132/483.3524
  params=0/0/0/0/0/0 float=y maxiter=256 inside=0 outside=real
  colors=000OOzOOyNNxNNuMMsKKpJJ\
l<2>DDZBBU99O<3>000<2>IE3OJ4UN5ZR6cV7hZ8la\
  9pdAsgBuiBxjBylCzlCzmCzlCylCxjBuiB\
sgBpdAla9<2>ZR6UN5OJ4<3>000<3>I6EM8HQ9\
  KUBNXCQ_DSbEVdFXfGYhGZiH_jH`jH`jH`iH_<2>dF\
XbEV_DSXCQ<2>M8HI6ED5A<2>000<3\
  >OEBUHEZKGcNJhQLlSNpVOsXQuYRx\
ZSy_Tz`Tz`U<2>xZSuYRsXQpVOlSN<2>ZKGUHEOEB<3\
  >000<2>E54J75N87RA8VB9<2>dFCgGDi\
HDjHElIElIEmIFlIElIEjHEiHD<2>aEBZDAVB9RA\
  8N87<4>000<3>E42H53K64N74Q85S95V\
A6<3>_C7`C7`C7<3>YB6XB6VA6<4>H53E42A3272\
  1310421<2>I94MB5QD6UF7XH8_J9bKAdMB\
fNBhNBiOCjOCjPCjOCiOChNBfNBdMB<2>XH8UF\
  7QD6<5>000<2>7E39J4BN5DR6FV7<2>KdAM\
gBNiBNjBOlCOlCPmCOlCOlCNjBNiB<2>Ja9HZ\
  8FV7DR6BN5<4>000<3>99OBBUDDZFFcHHh\
JJlKKpMMsNNuNNx<2>PPz
  }

frm:dmj-Mand-Triangle(XAXIS) { ; outside = real: triangle inequality
average
 ; original idea and formula from L. Kerry Mitchell
 ; modified for total continuity by dmj, 9-8-97

 IF (real(p3) == 0)  ; Invalid value for color scale.
   p3 = 75 + flip(imag(p3)) ; Substitute a default value.
 ENDIF
 IF (imag(p3) == 0)  ; Invalid value for bailout.
   p3 = (0,128) + real(p3) ; Substitute a default value.
 ENDIF
 sum = 0    ; Running total.
 done = 1   ; Iteration counter.
 ac = cabs(pixel)  ; Absolute value of pixel (precalc).
 il2 = 1/log(2.0)  ; Inverse log 2 (precalc).
 lp = log(log(imag(p3)))  ; log(log bailout) (precalc).
 f = -1    ; No fractional iteration yet.

 z = pixel, c = pixel:  ; Mandelbrot initialization.
 az2 = |z|   ; Save absolute value of first term.
 z = sqr(z) + c   ; Mandelbrot calculation.

 lowbound = abs(az2 - ac) ; Calculate lower bound for sum.
 sum = sum + (cabs(z) - lowbound) / (az2+ac - lowbound)
     ; Ratio between bounds.

 done = done + 1   ; Done one more iteration.
 IF (az2 > imag(p3))  ; Point exceeds bailout.
   IF (f < 0)   ; First time; let it go again.
     f = il2*lp - il2*log(log(cabs(z))) + 2; Fractional iteration.
     oldsum = sum / done  ; Save the average ratio so far.
   ELSE    ; Second time past bailout.
     sum = sum / done  ; Average ratio.
     f = oldsum + (sum-oldsum) * (f-1) ; Interpolate sum.
     z = f * real(p3)  ; Apply color scale.
     z = z - 255*trunc(z/real(255)) ; Wrap at 255.
     z = z - done - 5  ; Return value.
     done = -1   ; Set flag to force an exit.
   ENDIF
 ENDIF

 done >= 0   ; Continue if the flag is clear.
}







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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 06:41:22 -0400
From: Sylvie Gallet <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Permadia 2 chip set

Hi Thomas,

>> anyone out there with an updated fractint.cfg or whatever. =


  I am e-mailing you a small utility that should help you find the VESA
modes available with your card.

  Cheers,

        - Sylvie

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 07:24:28 -0500
From: Elaina <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) text formats, etc

Kragen wrote:

> And I think Word for DOS had its own formats.

People in my company had conversion problems going from word5 to word6
at the time.

P.S. Sorry I spilled the fishing bait. ...and the fist too.
I almost started that with I'm sure this has been beat to death.

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:37:16 -0700
From: "Angela Wilczynski" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) plaigeurism(sp)

Copyright questions aside, if someone merely color cycled (from a map
*-*I*-* developed) and rotated one of my fractals I would cry foul and
ask that the image be disqualifed from the contest and removed from a
web site if posted.

I'm not sure reading the great copyright debate is an answer to Elaina's
question, so I tossed in my 2 cents.  I realize there is a genuine
question of degree when using someone else's par as a starting point.
But I don't think the rather trivial manipulations Elaina described
constitute "original" in my mind.  Part of my own critical facility is
being able to recognize color maps, even when cycled, particularly
Linda's and Sylvia's as well as my own.

When I hit a "great" image.....it usually looks fabulous at many points
of color cycling and with different maps.  If I post the image (via my
website or as a par for the list), I've probably selected from one of
the several variations I've made of that image.

I wouldn't want my comments to be construed as saying that an "original"
can't be produced starting with an existing par.....I certainly do that
all the time.  But, I usually claim it as "mine" only after I've zoomed,
applied one of my maps, skewed and maybe tweeked the par values.
Otherwise (and I think we've seen this often on the list), I'll
say....this is Kathy's par with one of my maps (zoom, etc.) or
whatever......I think credit should be given where credit is due,
particularly for the contest.

Angela aka wizzle

Elaina Tillinghast wrote:
>
> Ok I give. One of the neatest fractals I've had a hand in making is just
> a rotation and a color palette change from a fractint distribution
> example in the par file. How many people will be screaming "off with her
> head" if I claim its "mine"? It was the first one I thought of when I
> started looking through my stuff for the contest. <sigh> My impulse to
> have people look at the 2 and tell me if they are different enough to be
> different would kill it for the contest. At the very least I have other
> stuff that is very mine.
>
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 21:21:33 +0100
From: "John C. A. Misterio'" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) text formats, etc

Dean-Christian Strik wrote:

> There are more of these out there. If you have Win95 with IE4 or Win98, you
> may know the 'Show Desktop' and 'View Channels' commands.

Yes. You mean this GP-fault commands.

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 15:52:09 -0500
From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Permadia 2 chip set

Sylvie Gallet wrote:
>
> I am e-mailing you a small utility that should help you
> find the VESA modes available with your card.
>

You might wish to send the same to Bart Luyckx <[e-mail]> .
He posted the same problem on Fri, 07 Aug 1998 19:31:38.

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 17:03:49 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Permadia 2 chip set

In a message dated 8/10/98 1:59:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

> Sylvie Gallet wrote:
>  >
>  > I am e-mailing you a small utility that should help you
>  > find the VESA modes available with your card.
>  >
>
>  You might wish to send the same to Bart Luyckx <[e-mail]> .
>  He posted the same problem on Fri, 07 Aug 1998 19:31:38.

Hi! I wonder if I could have this too? It never occurred to me that a small
utility would take care of this question! Thanks in advance :)

Dama

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 18:22:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Michael Traynor)
Subject: Re: (fractint) plaigeurism(sp)

Angela writes:

>Copyright questions aside, if someone merely color cycled (from a map
>*-*I*-* developed) and rotated one of my fractals I would cry foul and
>ask that the image be disqualifed from the contest and removed from a
>web site if posted.
...
>Elaina Tillinghast wrote:
>>
>> Ok I give. One of the neatest fractals I've had a hand in making is just
>> a rotation and a color palette change from a fractint distribution
>> example in the par file. How many people will be screaming "off with her
>> head" if I claim its "mine"? It was the first one I thought of when I
>> started looking through my stuff for the contest. <sigh> My impulse to
>> have people look at the 2 and tell me if they are different enough to be
>> different would kill it for the contest. At the very least I have other
>> stuff that is very mine.

Angela,

If on seeing the new image you felt that you had not seen the potential
for that image in your original (i.e. except for use of the monkeys typing
Hamlet route you'd not have found it), would you still cry foul?

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:06:44 -0400
From: Sylvie Gallet <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Permadia 2 chip set

Hi Dama and Paul,

>> > You might wish to send the same to Bart Luyckx <[e-mail]> =
=2E =

>> > He posted the same problem on Fri, 07 Aug 1998 19:31:38.
>>
>> Hi! I wonder if I could have this too? It never occurred to me that a
>> small utility would take care of this question! Thanks in advance :)

  Will do!

        - Sylvie

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 18:16:16 -0700
From: "Angela Wilczynski" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) plaigeurism(sp)

Michael Traynor wrote:
>
> Angela writes:
>
> >Copyright questions aside, if someone merely color cycled (from a map
> >*-*I*-* developed) and rotated one of my fractals I would cry foul and
> >ask that the image be disqualifed from the contest and removed from a
> >web site if posted.
> ...
> >Elaina Tillinghast wrote:
> >>
> >> Ok I give. One of the neatest fractals I've had a hand in making is just
> >> a rotation and a color palette change from a fractint distribution
> >> example in the par file. How many people will be screaming "off with her
> >> head" if I claim its "mine"? It was the first one I thought of when I
> >> started looking through my stuff for the contest. <sigh> My impulse to
> >> have people look at the 2 and tell me if they are different enough to be
> >> different would kill it for the contest. At the very least I have other
> >> stuff that is very mine.
>
> Angela,
>
> If on seeing the new image you felt that you had not seen the potential
> for that image in your original (i.e. except for use of the monkeys typing
> Hamlet route you'd not have found it), would you still cry foul?
>
> --
> Mike Traynor


Mike....

Yes.......while someone may hang the Mona Lisa upside down and
illuminate it with cyan lights......an unrealized "potential" .....it's
still a work done by da Vinci and not by the person who hung it another
way. Change the frame and it's also still the same work.

Now.....if someone superimposes the Mona Lisa onto an image of the earth
and then combines it with some fractals, this to me is original and no
longer a "da Vinci."  As I stated, it's a matter of degrees.

Angela

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 03:37:16 +0200
From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Permadia 2 chip set

Sylvie,

What kind of a utitlity is it really? I'm sure there will be some people on
the list who also may benefit from it.

Christian

>Hi Dama and Paul,
>
>> > You might wish to send the same to Bart Luyckx <[e-mail]> .
>> > He posted the same problem on Fri, 07 Aug 1998 19:31:38.
>>
>> Hi! I wonder if I could have this too? It never occurred to me that a
>> small utility would take care of this question! Thanks in advance :)
>
>  Will do!
>
>        - Sylvie





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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 21:01:56 -0500
From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) plaigeurism(sp)

Angela Wilczynski wrote:
>
> Yes.......while someone may hang the Mona Lisa upside down and
> illuminate it with cyan lights......an unrealized "potential"
> .....it's still a work done by da Vinci and not by the person
> who hung it another way. Change the frame and it's also still
> the same work.
>

So I guess the Campbell's Soup Can artwork by Andy Warhol should really
have the credit given to the artist/s that did the original layout for
Campbell's??

What about the artist that takes someone else's photograph and
manipulates the colors or "posterizes" it with a graphic editor, who
gets the credit there??

If I were to take one of your fractals and hand paint a copy of the
image with oils or acrylics, who is the artwork by??

There are way too many gray areas and fine lines to divide up further.

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 01:15:39 -0400
From: Jean Debord <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re: Absolute beginner in need of help...

Jane Croucher wrote:

> I would like some help on whether this is a good "real life" model of a=

fractal or if there are better examples, and also some pointers on where =
to
get good fractal pictures.

I would recommend the books "Fractals for the classroom" by H.O. Peitgen,=

H. Jurgens and D. Saupe (2 vol., Springer Verlag 1992). All types of
fractals are discussed, the mathematics are introduced progressively, and=

there is a short BASIC program in each chapter.

There are also some on-line tutorials, for instance :

The Fractal Geometry of the Mandelbrot Set, by Robert Devaney:
http://math.bu.edu/DYSYS/FRACGEOM/index.html

Chaos, Fractals, Dimension, by Glenn Elert: =

http://www.columbia.edu/~gae4/chaos/

I hope this helps.

Jean Debord
Limoges, France

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 00:04:29 -0700
From: Mark Christenson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism

At 09:01 PM 8/10/98 -0500, Paul N. Lee wrote:
>...
>So I guess the Campbell's Soup Can artwork by Andy Warhol should really
>have the credit given to the artist/s that did the original layout for
>Campbell's??

I would agree with that.  Besides, I think we all know
Andy was a hack! (and a cult phenomenon peculiar to those
free-thinking times)

>What about the artist that takes someone else's photograph and
>manipulates the colors or "posterizes" it with a graphic editor, who
>gets the credit there??

I think it would depend on the subject matter.  For example,
a cropped and "posterized" photo of Yosemite, by Ansel Adams
or anyone else, would be virtually indistinguishable from another
taken at the same place in the same season and similarly
processed.  As with fractals, one can claim that the art already
existed in nature, and that we humans are merely interpreting it.

On the other hand, each fractal space is multidimensional and
infinite, and (with the possible exception of a lot of gravijul and
gravijul variant images which produce satisfactory results with
very obvious parameters) the odds of two people "stumbling"
onto the exact same locale are slim indeed.  And, as
Angela pointed out, no doubt the original artist will recognize
his/her ripped off creation.  Besides, anyone who rips off
someone else's work is really desperate to win and has little
or no pride or artistic drive.  It's like stealing a term paper and
changing a few words to make identification of the fraud more
difficult, or copying the smart kid's quiz answers.  With all of the
swollen egos (let's face it, we're *all* digital exhibitionists) and
creative energy around here, I find it hard to fathom why anyone
would *want* to feature another's work or take credit for same.
Members of this list frequently reinterpret posted works and use
palettes developed by others, but usually give proper credit.

BTW, if this thread continues, couldn't we at least correct the
spelling (rather than point out that the original was in error)?


Bud


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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:00:51 +1000
From: "Regina & Steve" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Corrupt save / return to picture - display mode??

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 03:29:29 -0500
From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Corrupt save / return to picture - display mode??

Regina & Steve wrote:
>
> I have just started to use fractint and in all graphics
> mode except IBM 4 Colour CGA and IBM Hi-Res B & W CGA
> I either get no picture or the picture gets corrupted
> when I "return to " it or try to save it?  Is there a fix?
> What info is needed for someone to give me the correct
> graphics info (is it the .cfg file???)
>

What graphics card and chip set do you have??  What operating system and
release level are you running??

This could be another situation that may be resolved by Sylvie Gallet's
"small utility" (which probably should be available as a link in the
FAQ).

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 05:01:16 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) 2 pars

Here's a nice tree!  The 2nd par makes a great wallpaper after resizing it to
212x159 and maintaining aspect of 1.333.   Enjoy~

Jimbo

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