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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:03:00 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
From: "Nigel H. J. Long" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Savetime minus has downside

Recently there was a brief discussion of using the SAVETIME
parameter with a minus time, to abort a batch mode plot
after a set time.

I tried this, using savetime=-10, but found that I could no
longer exit the batch. I use ParToBat, which reads
for the 'errorlevel 2' sent by Fractint on premature exit.
If I tried to quit a plot I was passed to the next plot in
the batch, not the abort part of the batch file. It appears
that the minus version of the parameter upsets the
errorlevel in some way. Anybody else found this?

Could this be why it is undocumented?
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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 22:00:29 +0200
From: "Jacco Burger" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Selecting thingys

Almost two weeks ago I returned from a holiday in Ireland, and started
digesting the archive files of this mailinglist at xmission.com to catch up.
Speaking of Ireland, I noticed that those acient Irish Celts had a very
popular symbol called the tri-spiral which has a striking resamblance with a
fractal of type Julzpower with p1=3... or was it just the Guiness playing
tricks on me...?? Well, maybe it was just the Irish breakfast

In the archivefile of Fri, 17 Jul 1998 there was a message from Wizzle, in
which she asks:

>
>How do you all select which rendering method (that x thingy) you
>use for a particular image?  Some of Jacco's images were obviously
>done with that .  But why pick that rather than g
>(my fav), single pass.....etc??????
>
>I really need a crash course prior to the contest!~!!!!!!!
>

Though I am not sure what Wizzle means by 'Testxxxxx method' or 'x thingy',
I will try to give an answer to that. ('X thingy' would make a nice name for
a fractal, b.t.w.... ).

I assume that she was referring to the effect produced by the combination of
passes=b and fillcolor=nnn (where nnn is any number from 0 to 255). Maybe
that is already part of the answer, the 'secret' is in this combination.

Passes=g or passes=b doesn't make much difference, except when fillcolor is
set to a number (it is also on the x-screen, default: fillcolor=normal).
Where passes=g produces solid colored bands, passes=b with fillcolor=nnn
produces thin lines that indicate the boundaries of the bands. The effect
reminds me of spiderwebs
 http://wwwserv.caiw.nl/~jaccobu/jpg640x480/jacco035.jpg ), spaghetti
 http://wwwserv.caiw.nl/~jaccobu/jpg640x480/jacco010.jpg ) or seaweed
 http://wwwserv.caiw.nl/~jaccobu/jpg640x480/jacco054.jpg ), depending on the
colors used.

I got this idea from a image by Bradley Beacham which is stored in the
parfile Fract19.par that comes with Fractint. The entry is called 'Zorro'.
(press '2', press F6, choose Fract19.par, scroll all the way down, and
choose 'Zorro')

When applying this combination I advise to set fillcolor=255, or any other
number of a color that is not or not much used. Also note that inside=0
gives errors. Go to the x-screen and use any other inside-color number, or
one of the inside-color options (bof60, zmag, etc). If you use fractaltype
Mandel or Julia I can also recommend to add outside=real, imag or summ (also
x-screen). It can give a nice effect.

Anyway, like all other combination of options in Fractint, it is just a
matter of trying and see what you get. After some time you will get an idea
of how it works.

Wizzle, I hope this is the answer to your question. I sure would like to see
an image of you on the Fractint 98 contest with this combination! I also
would like to take the liberty of suggesting a title: 'Wizzle's X-thingy'...
:-)

Bye!
Jacco
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visit my fractal gallery at http://wwwserv.caiw.nl/~jaccobu/index.htm



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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 00:46:41 -0700
From: kathy roth <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) PARS

Hi.  Some of these use the "x-thingy".  Not
for the purists.


cons1    {;Julia constellation viewed from conservatory
                ; kathy roth 1998
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm
  formulaname=AbsArcTangentia2
  center-mag=-6.855e-006/9.985e-006/0.68468
params=0.01/1 maxiter=2000
  inside=bof60
  colors=KKH0oT0xU0zW<7>0JJ<14>0xx0\
zz2tt<6>JE9<15>yjU<7>BJF<15>_zn<6>LO3<8\
  >px9<5>KMGFGIBBM<14>WWz<7>J9J<15>zW\
z<7>J09<15>z0W<7>J90<15>zW0<7>JJ0<15>\
  zz0<7>99J<15>WWz<7>0J9<12>0rS
  }

cons2              { ; kathy roth 1998
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm
  formulaname=AbsArcTangentia2
  center-mag=1.225e-006/1.3945e-005/0.3149532
params=0.01/1
  maxiter=2000 inside=bof60 invert=1/0/0
  colors=KKHWWz<7>0J9<12>0rS0oT\
0xU0zW<7>0JJ<14>0xx0zz2tt<6>JE9<15>yjU<7>BJ\
  F<15>_zn<6>LO3<8>px9<5>KMGFGIB\
BM<14>WWz<7>J9J<15>zWz<7>J09<15>z0W<7>J90<\
  15>zW0<7>JJ0<15>zz0<7>99J<14>UUx
  }

cons3              { ; kathy roth 1998
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm
  formulaname=AbsArcTangentia2 passes=b
  center-mag=1.225e-006/1.3945e-005/0.3149532 params=0.01/1
  maxiter=2000 fillcolor=3 inside=bof60 invert=1/0/0
  colors=KKH0oT0xU0zW<7>0JJ<14>0xx\
0zz2tt<6>JE9<15>yjU<7>BJF<15>_zn<6>LO3<8\
  >px9<5>KMGFGIBBM<14>WWz<7>J9J<15>zW\
z<7>J09<15>z0W<7>J90<15>zW0<7>JJ0<15>\
  zz0<7>99J<15>WWz<7>0J9<12>0rS
  }

cons4              { ; kathy roth 1998
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm
  formulaname=AbsArcTangentia1 passes=g3
  center-mag=-0.609971/1.17536/2.380952 params=0.11/1 maxiter=2000
  fillcolor=3 inside=bof60 invert=1/0/0
  colors=0000P0<2>0W0<4>880<10>WW\
0<3>KD7LAA<9>zWW<4>HH8<10>zzW<4>H80<10>zW\
  0<4>H08<10>z0W<4>H8D<10>zWk<4>H8H<10>z\
Wz<4>H0H<10>z0z<4>08H<10>0Wz<4>88H\
  <10>WWz<4>00H<10>00z<4>088<10>0WW<4>0H\
H<10>0zz<4>0H8<10>0zW<4>0H0<10>0z0\
  <4>080<6>0N0
  }

cons0              { ; kathy roth 1998
                       reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm
  formulaname=AbsArcTangentia1 passes=b
  center-mag=-0.609971/1.17536/2.380952 params=0.11/1 maxiter=2000
  fillcolor=3 inside=bof60 invert=1/0/0
  colors=I8FGDJ<5>Zrk<7>C40<7>zii<7>F0\
0<7>zrc<7>N57<7>yZJ<7>c20<7>zaV<7>F0\
  0<7>sog<7>I8F<6>unr<7>8F8<7>lyl<7>05\
A<7>cru<7>444<7>mmz<7>I8F<7>zmm<7>A0\
  0<7>zzg<7>N13<7>z_K<7>g50<7>zvn<7>I8\
F<7>ghl<7>08C<7>ata<7>A0AD6E
  }


frm:AbsArcTangentia1 (ORIGIN) {; Tom Schumm
    ; Attempt to change the shape of the escape boundry
  z = Pixel, z = Sqr(z):  ; Just like julia
  z = z + p1
  z = Sqr(z)
  imag(z) <= abs(1/tan(real(z)))     ; Different escape boundry
  ;SOURCE: phong2.frm
}


frm:AbsArcTangentia2 (ORIGIN) {; Tom Schumm
                     ; Attempt to change the shape of the escape boundry

  z = Pixel, z = Sqr(z):  ; Just like julia
  z = z + p1
  z = Sqr(z)
  imag(z) <= abs(1/tan(real(z))+4)     ; Different escape boundry
  ;SOURCE: phong2.frm
}


frm:AbsArcTangentia3 (ORIGIN) {; Tom Schumm
                     ; Attempt to change the shape of the escape boundry

  z = Pixel, z = Sqr(z):  ; Just like julia
  z = z + p1
  z = Sqr(z)
  imag(z) <= abs(1/tan(real(z)))+4     ; Different escape boundry
  ;SOURCE: phong2.frm
}







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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 03:46:28 -0500
From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Selecting thingys

Jacco Burger wrote:
>
> I assume that she was referring to the effect produced by the
> combination of passes=b and fillcolor=nnn (where nnn is any
> number from 0 to 255).
>  .......... ( snipped ) ...........
> produces thin lines that indicate the boundaries of the bands.
> The effect reminds me of spiderwebs
>

Another example of this is one from "Oooo":

Spiral59        { ; time=  0:00:47.02 on a P-200 at 1024x768
                  ; using FractInt 1960.0
                  ; mailto:[e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=fn(z)+fn(pix) function=sin/exp passes=b
  center-mag=-1.8129/2.17197/13.33019
  params=0.008999999999999999/-0.2/1.0211/0.512 float=y bailout=2
  bailoutest=and fillcolor=142 inside=bof60 decomp=120
  colors=000los<15>OI5<15>xn_<15>OI5<15>nru<15>000200501000<24>\
  526626626627637737<2>738808<46>N9aN9aN9`<19>H9LH9KG8JF8I<14>\
  A6BA6BA6BA6B96A<33>334<11>hko
  }

The completed image may be found at:
    http://spanky.triumf.ca/pub/fractals/images/o/SPIRALS/SPIRAL59.GIF

P.N.L.
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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 03:54:26 -0500
From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) 2ND Post- Sure could use some help !!

abraxas wrote:
>
> Running Fractint (tried several versions) on a P300 with 128M Ram.
> Everytime I use the save function, my screen turns neon with an
> abstract of my desktop and that is what gets saved.  NOT my Fractal.
> Anybody have any ideas ??  Thanks in advance.
>

Besides specifying the information that Barry suggestted, have you
created your own SSTOOLS.INI file yet??  If so, what values are set in
it??

P.N.L.
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Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 20:53:46 +0100
From: "John C. A. Misterio'" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) TGA image output

Jon Camp wrote:

> But what if you increase the palate size to 24bit and then resize the
> fractal? That gives an enormous increase in colors. Would simply
> anti-aliasing provide you with the neccesaty colors?
> Just a thought...

I know what you mean. Anti-aliasing is in fact a method to increase the
different colors.
But try it out :
 - Create a 16-color-fractal
 - Increase to 24bit-colors
 - Resize, Blur, everything you want.
 - Decrase to 256 colors.

This picture will >>NEVER<< look like the same fractal created with 256
colors.
I think it's exactly the same with 64k-pictures.


Markus




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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 05:14:29 -0500
From: Elaina Tillinghast <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) rendering method

In the archivefile of Fri, 17 Jul 1998 there was a message from Wizzle,
in
which she asks:

>
>How do you all select which rendering method (that x thingy) you
>use for a particular image?  Some of Jacco's images were obviously
>done with that .  But why pick that rather than g
>(my fav), single pass.....etc??????

I remember asking a question like that to myself. I pick options at
random and see what happens. I couldn't tell a difference in time
between guessing or boundary or "divide and conquer" rendering. I like
the quick results of guessing to see if I really botched a zoom or if
the next attempt looks way too much like the last. I wasn't keeping a
stop watch on it. Rendering method is the first option on the x screen.
I am curious as to what advantages might be in the others except to
provide drama.

- --
Juice --have fun --harm none
Thinking corrupts the mind thus efforts like the web never finish.

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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 05:25:54 -0500
From: Elaina Tillinghast <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) plaigeurism(sp)

Ok I give. One of the neatest fractals I've had a hand in making is just
a rotation and a color palette change from a fractint distribution
example in the par file. How many people will be screaming "off with her
head" if I claim its "mine"? It was the first one I thought of when I
started looking through my stuff for the contest. <sigh> My impulse to
have people look at the 2 and tell me if they are different enough to be
different would kill it for the contest. At the very least I have other
stuff that is very mine.

Juice --have fun --harm none
Thinking corrupts the mind thus efforts like the web never finish.

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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 12:09:34 +0000
From: Jane Croucher <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Absolute beginner in need of help...

Hi!

Let me start off by saying I know practically nothing about fractals,
although I am dying to learn. The reason for my enthusiasm is that I am
a Research Assistant at the Science Museum in London, England, working
within a group that are developing a new gallery called "Pattern Place",
which is aimed at 3-6 year olds (and their parents!). My interest is to
look at patterns within fractals, and how these can be interpreted in a
basic, but scientific way. I also want to get hold of some high quality
images, both 3D and 2D.  We need to show fractals in everyday life, and
the idea that we have at the moment for an exhibit is the "fractal
cauliflower": a large 3D cauliflower puzzle, where visitors can join up
the florets to make the cauliflower, to show that cauliflowers are
fractal, that is, its component parts are the same shape as the overall
shape, but on a different scale.

I would like some help on whether this is a good "real life" model of a
fractal or if there are better examples, and also some pointers on where
to get good fractal pictures.

I am just finishing a PhD in Fibre Optic Sensing, so can cope with a
reasonable amount of maths, but as little as possible, thanks!

Many thanks for your help in advance!

Jane Croucher.


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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:35:43 -0400
From: "Marie Drozdis" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) Absolute beginner in need of help...

You can see many fractal pictures of ordinary life in the book _Fractals,
the Patterns of Chaos_.
This is by John Briggs, and is widely available.  It is geared toward the
public, rather than strictly to the fractal enthusiast, and has examples
that are easy to relate to.

Good luck<S>

Marie


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[mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Jane Croucher
>>>
I would like some help on whether this is a good "real life" model of a
fractal or if there are better examples, and also some pointers on where
to get good fractal pictures.

I am just finishing a PhD in Fibre Optic Sensing, so can cope with a
reasonable amount of maths, but as little as possible, thanks!

Many thanks for your help in advance!

Jane Croucher.


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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:35:43 -0400
From: "Marie Drozdis" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) Absolute beginner in need of help...

You can see many fractal pictures of ordinary life in the book _Fractals,
the Patterns of Chaos_.
This is by John Briggs, and is widely available.  It is geared toward the
public, rather than strictly to the fractal enthusiast, and has examples
that are easy to relate to.

Good luck<S>

Marie


- -----Original Message-----
From:    [e-mail]
[mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Jane Croucher
>>>
I would like some help on whether this is a good "real life" model of a
fractal or if there are better examples, and also some pointers on where
to get good fractal pictures.

I am just finishing a PhD in Fibre Optic Sensing, so can cope with a
reasonable amount of maths, but as little as possible, thanks!

Many thanks for your help in advance!

Jane Croucher.


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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 16:50:25 +0200
From: Joe Pearson <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) Savetime minus has downside

I checked again.  No such problem here.  I have to press Esc twice - the
first time it stops calculating and starts saving - the second time it
aborts and the partobat batchfile aborts too.  If you only press Esc
once you'll get the behaviour you describe.

Joe


>Recently there was a brief discussion of using the SAVETIME
>parameter with a minus time, to abort a batch mode plot
>after a set time.
>
>I tried this, using savetime=-10, but found that I could no
>longer exit the batch. I use ParToBat, which reads
>for the 'errorlevel 2' sent by Fractint on premature exit.
>If I tried to quit a plot I was passed to the next plot in
>the batch, not the abort part of the batch file. It appears
>that the minus version of the parameter upsets the
>errorlevel in some way. Anybody else found this?
>
>Could this be why it is undocumented?
>----------------------
>Nigel H. J. Long
>[e-mail]
>

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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 09:01:21 -0700
From: "Mike and Linda Allison" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) plaigeurism(sp)

This raises the whole issue of copyright, again!  In fact, that precise
question has been asked before.

I have a lengthy file of messages posted to this list, and to the
fractal-arts list, dealing with copyright issues.  You can download a
copy from:
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/3825/copyright.zip

In a nutshell, I would be very cautious in this area.  The issue is a
little muddy, but at best, you may make another fractal artist mad.  At
worst, it could be a copyright infringement.

WARNING TO ALL NEW COMERS TO THE LIST!  The issue of copyright has been
done to death on the list.  If you are new to the list, and want to see
a copy of past discussion, you can download it from the above URL.
Please don't start a new thread dealing with copyright issues until you
have read that entire 373K file!  There is nothing new under the sun,
and some, if not all, of the old-timers on this list, have grown tired
of the ongoing debate.

Thanks for understanding!
Linda



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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 09:28:21 -0700
From: "Mike and Linda Allison" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Absolute beginner in need of help...

Ferns are a good example.

Lind


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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 13:05:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Kragen)
Subject: Re: (fractint) plaigeurism(sp)

On Fri, 7 Aug 1998, Mike and Linda Allison wrote:
> This raises the whole issue of copyright, again!  In fact, that precise
> question has been asked before.

Well, I think the concern here is not that authors will be deprived of
money they would otherwise earn, which is what copyright is all about,
but that authors will be deprived of the credit that is rightfully
theirs for creating kick-butt images.  This is known as "moral
rights".

I think it's not about money because I think most of the authors here
don't earn money by selling fractals.

> At worst, it could be a copyright infringement.

Worse, it could be plagiarism.

Kragen


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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:11:03 -0700
From: "Mike and Linda Allison" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) plaigeurism(sp)

Kragen:

Sounds like you haven't read the document of our ongoing debate.  The
issue of "Compensation," which is not always monetary, was also
discussed.

I've attached a copy of that documentation for your reference (attached
to Kragen's copy, only).

Linda

PS To the list:  Any other comments and I'll be glad to send a copy to
that person, as well  :-))

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From: Kragen <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Friday, August 07, 1998 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: (fractint) plaigeurism(sp)


>On Fri, 7 Aug 1998, Mike and Linda Allison wrote:
>> This raises the whole issue of copyright, again!  In fact, that
precise
>> question has been asked before.
>
>Well, I think the concern here is not that authors will be deprived of
>money they would otherwise earn, which is what copyright is all about,
>but that authors will be deprived of the credit that is rightfully
>theirs for creating kick-butt images.  This is known as "moral
>rights".
>
>I think it's not about money because I think most of the authors here
>don't earn money by selling fractals.
>
>> At worst, it could be a copyright infringement.
>
>Worse, it could be plagiarism.
>
>Kragen



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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 13:27:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Kragen)
Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism

On Fri, 7 Aug 1998, Mike and Linda Allison wrote:
> I have a lengthy file of messages posted to this list, and to the
> fractal-arts list, dealing with copyright issues.  You can download a
> copy from:
> http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/3825/copyright.zip

Now see here!  That ZIP file contains a single file named
copyright_discussion.doc in some non-obvious binary format (perhaps one
of the ten or so variants of Microsoft Word format?).  If you want
people to read it, put it in a universally readable format.

Kragen


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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 19:31:38 +0200
From: Bart Luyckx <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Maybe my mail will be more successfull now: Permedia2 (2)

I guess sending gifs is not a good idea?!

tjauwkes,

:c)






Hi, this is my first message.

Has anyone out there got any idea how I can get my Permedia2 working
with the fractint 19.6 version? The highest resolution I can get is
640X480!
I'm not "technical" enough to start experimenting with different
settings when I'm not entirely sure what way to go.

Thanks for any help in this matter.
 here some gifs I made "on the fly".

:c)






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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 13:34:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Kragen)
Subject: Re: (fractint) plaigeurism(sp)

On Fri, 7 Aug 1998, Mike and Linda Allison wrote:
> I've attached a copy of that documentation for your reference (attached
> to Kragen's copy, only).
>
> PS To the list:  Any other comments and I'll be glad to send a copy to
> that person, as well  :-))

Shutting people up by mailing them an uninvited half-megabyte file is
known as "mailbombing" where I come from.  It's against Netcom's
acceptable-use policy and will get your account suspended, then
terminated, if you continue to do it.

Please do not threaten to mailbomb people.

Kragen (who is lucky enough to be relatively immune to mailbomb damage)


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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:38:23 -0700
From: "Mike and Linda Allison" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) plaigeurism(sp)

Ok, Kragen.  Do you want a copy of the documentation sent in the body of
an email?

Yes will get one sent.

No will indicate your true intent is not information but argumentation.

Linda
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From: Kragen <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Friday, August 07, 1998 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: (fractint) plaigeurism(sp)


>On Fri, 7 Aug 1998, Mike and Linda Allison wrote:
>> I've attached a copy of that documentation for your reference
(attached
>> to Kragen's copy, only).
>>
>> PS To the list:  Any other comments and I'll be glad to send a copy
to
>> that person, as well  :-))
>
>Shutting people up by mailing them an uninvited half-megabyte file is
>known as "mailbombing" where I come from.  It's against Netcom's
>acceptable-use policy and will get your account suspended, then
>terminated, if you continue to do it.
>
>Please do not threaten to mailbomb people.
>
>Kragen (who is lucky enough to be relatively immune to mailbomb damage)
>
>
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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:39:51 -0700
From: "Mike and Linda Allison" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism

>Now see here!  That ZIP file contains a single file named
>copyright_discussion.doc in some non-obvious binary format (perhaps one
>of the ten or so variants of Microsoft Word format?).  If you want
>people to read it, put it in a universally readable format.


Jay?  This one is for you to answer.
Linda


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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 14:14:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Kragen)
Subject: Re: (fractint) plaigeurism(sp)

On Fri, 7 Aug 1998, Mike and Linda Allison wrote:
> Ok, Kragen.  Do you want a copy of the documentation sent in the body of
> an email?

I've already got one.

Kragen


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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 11:21:59 -0700
From: "Mike and Linda Allison" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) plaigeurism(sp)

>On Fri, 7 Aug 1998, Mike and Linda Allison wrote:
>> Ok, Kragen.  Do you want a copy of the documentation sent in the body
of
>> an email?
>
>I've already got one.


I hope it is readable.  Where did you finally get it?  I ask because I
don't want the same problems to occur again with someone else.

Linda


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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 14:44:19 -0500
From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism

Kragen wrote:
>
> On Linda Allison wrote:
> >
> > copy from:
> > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/3825/copyright.zip
>
> Now see here!  That ZIP file contains a single file named
> copyright_discussion.doc in some non-obvious binary format
> (perhaps one of the ten or so variants of Microsoft Word
> format?).  If you want people to read it, put it in a
> universally readable format.
>

That would seem to be most logical.  And besides, the file size could
almost be cut in half by saving it as a DOS-formatted text file.

P.N.L.
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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 13:04:19 -0700
From: "Mike and Linda Allison" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism

Hi, Paul!

Have you read the file?  It was saved in Wordpad.  As I told Kragen in a
private email, if it is opened through Notepad or Wordpad, you shouldn't
have any problem reading it.  The original file was then zipped by Jay
to make it even smaller.

Linda

- -----Original Message-----
From: Paul N. Lee <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Friday, August 07, 1998 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism


>Kragen wrote:
>>
>> On Linda Allison wrote:
>> >
>> > copy from:
>> > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/3825/copyright.zip
>>
>> Now see here!  That ZIP file contains a single file named
>> copyright_discussion.doc in some non-obvious binary format
>> (perhaps one of the ten or so variants of Microsoft Word
>> format?).  If you want people to read it, put it in a
>> universally readable format.
>>
>
>That would seem to be most logical.  And besides, the file size could
>almost be cut in half by saving it as a DOS-formatted text file.
>
>P.N.L.
>-------------------------------------------------
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>       Because we're almost always right.
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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 13:24:19 -0700
From: "Mike and Linda Allison" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism

Hi, again, Paul!

I may have to retract one statement.  I don't remember if I zipped the
copyright file before sending it to Jay, or whether he zipped it when he
received it.  In either circumstance, please let me know if you can't
read it as an ASCII text file.  I can, but Kragen says he can't.  If
there is a coding problem, we should replace the file on Jay's page with
a corrected version to avoid these problems in the future.  Our whole
purpose is to avoid constantly revisiting copyright issues, but if
newcomers can't access the file, our purpose is not being served!

Linda




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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 15:37:48 -0500
From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) plagiarism

Mike and Linda Allison wrote:
>
> Have you read the file?  It was saved in Wordpad.
> As I told Kragen in a private email, if it is opened
> through Notepad or Wordpad, you shouldn't have any
> problem reading it.  The original file was then zipped
> by Jay to make it even smaller.
>

Greetings Linda,

I have downloaded a copy from the suggestted URL and have read it.  It
does help those that wish to know the answer to that same old tired
question.  Thanks for putting it all together.

I know this thread really shouldn't be continued, but....

The COPYRIGHT.ZIP file is 81.5-KB (83,475 bytes) and contains one file.
When extracted, the COPYRIGHT_DISCUSSION.DOC file becomes 341-KB
(349,184 bytes), which is way to big for Notepad.  So, this document
must be opended with something like Wordpad or MS-Word.

When saving a file using Wordpad, the default is for the Word for
Windows 6.0 format.  You must therefore choose one of the other three
formats available:
    Rich Text Format (RTF)
    Text Document
    Text Document - MS-DOS Format
The latter being the most widely readable by the world.

If it had been saved in a Text Document format, then the file size would
have been somewhere around 176-KB (180,4343 bytes).  This would have
then zipped down to a size of around 57.5-KB (58,921 bytes).

P.N.L.
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