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fractint-digest         Thursday, May 14 1998         Volume 01 : Number 202




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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 16:09:14 -0400
From: "RJ Corradino" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Frm confusion

Just another curious question...

Do I need to save formulas as individual files, or can I put several
formulas in one .frm like I do with pars?


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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 22:59:32 +0100
From: "Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Frm confusion

RJ wrote

>Just another curious question...
>
>Do I need to save formulas as individual files, or can I put several
>formulas in one .frm like I do with pars?

Ever looked at, well, say fractint.frm. It'd be terrible if all thes frms
would require separate files :-)

Christian




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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 18:47:07 -0400
From: "RJ Corradino" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) Frm confusion

> >Do I need to save formulas as individual files, or can I put several
> >formulas in one .frm like I do with pars?
>
> Ever looked at, well, say fractint.frm. It'd be terrible if all thes frms
> would require separate files :-)

Christian-

Hmm...guess your right.  Stupid question.  Heres another one: So can I
assume that fractint doesn't care what frm file I store a formula in?  Will
it just autodetect it??



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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 18:55:21 -0400
From: George Martin <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Frm confusion

>
Do I need to save formulas as individual files, or can I put several
formulas in one .frm like I do with pars?
<

You can put lots of formulas in one .frm file, just like pars.

George Martin

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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 19:00:41 -0400
From: George Martin <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) Frm confusion

>
So can I assume that fractint doesn't care what frm file I store a formula
in?  Will it just autodetect it??
<

The short answer is yes, it doesn't matter what you name your formula
files. Fractint searches all the .frm files in your default formula
directory until it finds the formula called for.

George Martin

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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 16:50:18 -0700
From: "Angela Wilczynski" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) One revised, one new par

Paul....

Speaking only for myself, I copy and save all formulas posted to the list at the
time they are posted (usually).  So I don't need the formula repeated.

I like your new coloring better too!!!  I also tried plopping one of the maps I
posted for your newtons a couple of days ago......gives a ribbon effect that is
quite pretty.

Angela

Paul and/or Joyce Carlson wrote:
>
> comment {
> I've posted this formula before along with a different
> coloring for the first par.  The first par in this version
> looks much better (IMHO).  The second par is a zoom into
> the first.
>
> I'm including the formula again.  I'm not sure this is
> necessary.  I will be posting pars in the future that
> use formulas I've already posted and I'm wondering if it
> is worthwhile to post the formula each time.  I have a
> feeling that if I don't post the formula each time, there
> will be requests for it that may take up more bandwidth
> than the formula.  What do you think?
>
> Paul Carlson

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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 21:03:01 -0600
From: "Tim Wegner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) fractint v20 and beyond

> Can we have a response from the Stone Soup group?
> What of the useful features discussed in this thread can practically be
> implemented in fractint?  How long, and how many other programmers need
> to volunteer?

I haven't read all the messages so don't know what features you are
referring to. Perhaps it would be useful for someone to summarize.

I was asked today if "wishlist" features are off topic. I'd say
discussion of desired features for fractint (or fractal programs in
general) is very much on topic, but if the intention is to catch the
attention of the programmers, it's not a good way to do it. I scan
through the messages but am likely to miss wish list ideas. What I
like about the "semi official" wish list web site is that I can
ignore it for months, and when I'm ready, I can find all the ideas in
one place. Ideas expressed here will get lost in the traffic.

One possibility is to discuss something here, and develop the idea,
then designate one person to post the idea on the web site

http://web.ukonline.co.uk/members/robin.b2/olig/fracwish.htm

I like to see really practical ideas that are well thought through
and specific. Ideas like "Win95 port" or "truecolor" aren't
very helpful because they are obvious and are awaiting programming
time and skill. For example, the idea for adding comments to PAR
files with variables for the calculation time etc. came from users.

Tim


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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 22:37:24 -0400
From: "Turner Rentz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) wishlist - wish no. 2.18281828 - FIF file support

I have set up a web server for the port effort if anyone wants
to hit a pretty sparse site with makefiles for the port effort to Win32

http://athena.atr.net

Here's wish number 2.18281828 : Fractal Information File (FIF) format
support.
GIF gets my goat for large images!

How to  do it:

1. Shameless Win32 platform to give you software based threading and flat
memory
2. FIF format code  from iterated systems  - http://www.iterated.com

FIF files  would allow us to zoom on our images from
the paintbrush and other programs without using the fractal generator
and the biggest images will be  t e e n s y   t i n y    f i l e s i z e s.

In fact, if they (iterated) give away their trade secret format here, it
will likely no doubt show
up in almost every paint program on the planet super quick.  But what a
great
place to give it away! Fractal hackers around the world get more disk space
overnight!!

Anyone with "that old black magic" willing to try them on this topic?
Perhaps send a mail to iterated - [e-mail]
or maybe even - [e-mail]
(worth a try.. )





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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 23:16:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Michael Traynor)
Subject: Re: (fractint) wishlist - wish no. 2.18281828 - FIF file support

Turner Rentz writes:

>Here's wish number 2.18281828 : Fractal Information File (FIF) format
>support.
>GIF gets my goat for large images!
> ...
>2. FIF format code  from iterated systems  - http://www.iterated.com
>
>FIF files  would allow us to zoom on our images from
>the paintbrush and other programs without using the fractal generator
>and the biggest images will be  t e e n s y   t i n y    f i l e s i z e s.

Seems to me , unless they have something miraculous, Iterated Systems
file format requires something to act as the image generator so that a fif
file is not really analogous to a gif but to a par.


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Mike Traynor

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    Abraham Lincoln

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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 22:57:12 -0500 (CDT)
From: [e-mail] (Paul and/or Joyce Carlson)
Subject: Re: (fractint) Some boundary trace pars

James R. McKenzie wrote:
>
>I don't have any of the formulae for these Pars.  Could someone please
>send them to me ASAP?

Done.

Paul Carlson


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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 01:39:48 -0400
From: "Turner Rentz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) wishlist - wish no. 2.18281828 - FIF file support

Your point is correct!

The image does get regenerated!!

 INMHO  PARs should try to find a way to become FIF compliant.
The paint programs can then pick them up, it's a standard, etc.



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From: Michael Traynor <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Wednesday, May 13, 1998 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: (fractint) wishlist - wish no. 2.18281828 - FIF file support


>Turner Rentz writes:
>
>>Here's wish number 2.18281828 : Fractal Information File (FIF) format
>>support.
>>GIF gets my goat for large images!
>> ...
>>2. FIF format code  from iterated systems  - http://www.iterated.com
>>
>>FIF files  would allow us to zoom on our images from
>>the paintbrush and other programs without using the fractal generator
>>and the biggest images will be  t e e n s y   t i n y    f i l e s i z e
s.
>
>Seems to me , unless they have something miraculous, Iterated Systems
>file format requires something to act as the image generator so that a fif
>file is not really analogous to a gif but to a par.
>
>
>--
>Mike Traynor
>
>People who like this sort of thing will find this the sort of thing they
like.
> Abraham Lincoln
>
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 01:54:25 -0400
From: Sylvie Gallet <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) gallet-6-08 formula

Hi Bill,

>> cut-lace           { ;  (c) 1998 Bill Decker
>> ...
>>   colors=[e-mail] cyclerange=3D0/255
            ^^^^^^^^^^
  I don't have this map....

  Cheers,

        - Sylvie


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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 17:55:23 +1200
From: "Morgan L. Owens" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) wishlist - wish no. 2.18281828 - FIF file support

At 23:16 13/05/98 -0400, Mike Traynor wrote:
>Turner Rentz writes:
>
>>Here's wish number 2.18281828 : Fractal Information File (FIF) format
>>support.
>>GIF gets my goat for large images!
>> ...
>>2. FIF format code  from iterated systems  - http://www.iterated.com
>>
>>FIF files  would allow us to zoom on our images from
>>the paintbrush and other programs without using the fractal generator
>>and the biggest images will be  t e e n s y   t i n y    f i l e s i z e s.
>
>Seems to me , unless they have something miraculous, Iterated Systems
>file format requires something to act as the image generator so that a fif
>file is not really analogous to a gif but to a par.
>
A .fif file would not be very useful if it couldn't be read by anything else.

But one idea this does remind me of is having what might as well be called
plasma zoom: read in any sort of GIF, zoom in, and use a plasma cloud-type
interpolation scheme.

A FIF-zoom could do the same sort of thing, but by building a FIF
description of current image and using that to guide interpolation in the
zooms.

It's a pretty cheesy idea, but I have always wondered what a plasma cloud
looked like close up (or from a distance).

Morgan


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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 07:57:27 -0400
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (fractint) gallet-6-08 formula

Yes, I did send out one of the pars with a reference to a local map. I've
repaired my fault below but it brings up a question that has popped into my
mind every now and then but has never embarrassed me up to this point: How
do you *force* Fractint to put the color map into the par explicitly?

To make the example below,  I tried to fool Fractint by making and then
undoing a change to the palette. No luck. Fractint must be comparing the
map (as read in from the map file) with the current palette. In the end I
changed one color by 001 in red and then saved the par. That worked, but it
seems a bit of a kluge.

Other posted pars on this list have explicit colors in the par, so I
suspect that there must be some switch or trick that forces the condition.
Any suggestions?

Thanks.

Bill Decker (http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/1450/)

>  Hi Bill,
>
>  >> cut-lace           { ;  (c) 1998 Bill Decker
>  >> ...
>  >>   colors=@satin.map cyclerange=0/255
>              ^^^^^^^^^^
>    I don't have this map....
>
>    Cheers,
>
>          - Sylvie

cut-lace2          {
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=frac_ml.frm
  formulaname=gallet-6-08 function=cosh/sinh/sinh
  center-mag=0.16845/0.0436802/0.3065529/1/44.997 params=5/1/0/5/1/10
  float=y maxiter=255 potential=255/20/0 decomp=256 periodicity=0
  colors=WPFA8B<3>000<15>zcm<15>000<15>mmz<15>000<15>mzz<6>T__JOO<3>688344\
  233122000<15>zzc<4>ffSZZN<8>000<15>czc<4>SfSN_N<2>HRHFOFDKDAGA<3>000<15>\
  zmU<5>bVJZSHTME<2>IF9FC8C96864432000<15>zZF<14>000000<15>cUe<4>SKTQJQNHO\
  KFL<2>D9D cyclerange=0/255
  }



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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 08:21:24 -0400
From: Gedeon Peteri <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) gallet-6-08 formula

[e-mail] wrote:

> Yes, I did send out one of the pars with a reference to a local map. I've
> repaired my fault below but it brings up a question that has popped into my
> mind every now and then but has never embarrassed me up to this point: How
> do you *force* Fractint to put the color map into the par explicitly?

RECORDCOLORS=yes

Put this line in your sstools.ini file.

Gedeon


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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 08:58:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Kragen)
Subject: Re: (fractint) wishlist - wish no. 2.18281828 - FIF file support

On Thu, 14 May 1998, Turner Rentz wrote:
>  INMHO  PARs should try to find a way to become FIF compliant.
> The paint programs can then pick them up, it's a standard, etc.

I thought you said it was a `proprietary' format Iterated Systems hadn't
released.  Is this true?  If so, in what sense is it a `standard'?

Kragen


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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 15:07:18 +0200
From: Joe Pearson <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) wishlist - wish no. 2.18281828 - FIF file support

>Your point is correct!
>The image does get regenerated!!
Turner, what are the implications on viewing speed, if you know?
Presumably slowing than rendering a GIF and faster than recalculating a
par.  But closer to which end?
>
> INMHO  PARs should try to find a way to become FIF compliant.
>The paint programs can then pick them up, it's a standard, etc.
Which programs? Paint Shop Pro? Not v4.  Screen savers? Setting the
desktop background?

I think it's a good idea (I might know it was a good idea if I knew what
FIF was :-)  ) but I guess it will supplement pars and gifs, not replace
either.  Currently I have quite a few images I've saved with "view
window" turned on - this reduces the image size dramatically but I can
still view a thumbnail in paint-shop and decide if I want to explore
that fractal area further.  FIFs could be ideal for this.

Joe



>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Michael Traynor <[e-mail]>
>To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>Date: Wednesday, May 13, 1998 6:24 PM
>Subject: Re: (fractint) wishlist - wish no. 2.18281828 - FIF file support
>
>
>>Turner Rentz writes:
>>
>>>Here's wish number 2.18281828 : Fractal Information File (FIF) format
>>>support.
>>>GIF gets my goat for large images!
>>> ...
>>>2. FIF format code  from iterated systems  - http://www.iterated.com
>>>
>>>FIF files  would allow us to zoom on our images from
>>>the paintbrush and other programs without using the fractal generator
>>>and the biggest images will be  t e e n s y   t i n y    f i l e s i z e
>s.
>>
>>Seems to me , unless they have something miraculous, Iterated Systems
>>file format requires something to act as the image generator so that a fif
>>file is not really analogous to a gif but to a par.
>>
>>
>>--
>>Mike Traynor
>>
>>People who like this sort of thing will find this the sort of thing they
>like.
>> Abraham Lincoln
>

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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 09:05:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (fractint) gallet-6-08 formula

On Thu, 14 May 1998, Gedeon Peteri wrote:

> [e-mail] wrote:
>
> > Yes, I did send out one of the pars with a reference to a local map. I've
> > repaired my fault below but it brings up a question that has popped into my
> > mind every now and then but has never embarrassed me up to this point: How
> > do you *force* Fractint to put the color map into the par explicitly?
>
> RECORDCOLORS=yes
>
> Put this line in your sstools.ini file.

You can also do it from the save parameter screen--it asks if you want to
record colors there too.

- --Cliff
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 15:11:21 +0200
From: Joe Pearson <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) One revised, one new par

Speaking only for myself, I get the time to run about one in ten pars
posted.  There's no guarantee I have earlier frms saved (although they
may be in my email log) - unless they are from last month in which case
I've got the entire lot from Les St Clair's site.
Joe

>Speaking only for myself, I copy and save all formulas posted to the list at
>the
>time they are posted (usually).  So I don't need the formula repeated.
>
>Angela
>
>> I'm including the formula again.  I'm not sure this is
>> necessary.  I will be posting pars in the future that
>> use formulas I've already posted and I'm wondering if it
>> is worthwhile to post the formula each time.  I have a
>> feeling that if I don't post the formula each time, there
>> will be requests for it that may take up more bandwidth
>> than the formula.  What do you think?
>>
>> Paul Carlson
>

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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 06:40:14 -0700
From: "Angela Wilczynski" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) gallet-6-08 formula

Bill...

Very nice set of images

Angela

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> Yes, I did send out one of the pars with a reference to a local map. I've
> repaired my fault below but it brings up a question that has popped into my
> mind every now and then but has never embarrassed me up to this point: How
> do you *force* Fractint to put the color map into the par explicitly?
>

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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 09:28:42 -0400
From: Barry Bluestein <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: RE Re: (fractint) Isn't DOS Dead?; Was fractint v20 and beyond

Peter Gavin wrote:

> //  Win 98 will be based on DOS, as Win 95 was...
>
> Well, as far as I've heard, Win98 is really just Win95 OSR2 with IE4.0 and all the other free updates from MS.  Anyone know otherwise?
>
> Pete
> <[e-mail]>

Sadly, no Peter. You are about 95-97% correct. In the 'Good Old Days' of software release protocols, 'Win98' would have been probably have
been labled Win95.1 or Win95.2


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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 10:05:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ian Kaplan <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) par restore menu wish list item

RJ wrote:
>
> I too would find this useful.  What would be even better for me is a windows
> par/frm manager.  Perhaps a 3 pane window, the first frame listing all the
> pars and frms in a givin directory, the second having a list of all the
> entries in the par, and the third showing the actual text of the selected
> entry.  This way you could drag and drop fractals from par to par(I've been
> copying the list pars into a generic today.par , run partobat,  and then
> cutting and pasting the ones I like into permanent pars), move a formula
> thats embedded in a par to a frm file, delete whatever you no longer need,
> add comments, or whatever else.

after some headscratching... one could teach the win95 version of emacs
to do this, with enough effort, or pretty close...

There are also some pumped-up win95 file managers availible as shareware
that might give you some of this. Try www.downloads.com, or something.

>
> Some other nice features, which I imagine would be harder to add:
> 1- Ability to right click highlighted text use the windows 'send to' feature
> to add the text to a par.
>

Not too hard to write a little tool to do this. Sadly, I don't have the
free time today, but if any win95 programmers want to play...

> 2- Double click a par to run it in fractint.

Does Win95 let you do file associations to a batch file or shortcut? you
could write a dos batch file to do this, or make a shortcut to fractint
that has a command line that would do this... then you could associate
.par files with that, if you're allowed to associate them with something
that isn't an .exe or .com file...


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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 16:56:07 +0200
From: Joe Pearson <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) par restore menu wish list item

>> 2- Double click a par to run it in fractint.
>
>Does Win95 let you do file associations to a batch file or shortcut? you
>could write a dos batch file to do this, or make a shortcut to fractint
>that has a command line that would do this... then you could associate
>.par files with that, if you're allowed to associate them with something
>that isn't an .exe or .com file...

Yes, this is possible. I've set up some associations for .frm and .par
to orgform, using windows explorer.  But for par files that contain
multiple names entries, I don't know if you can start up fractint at the
par entry menu

>Joe

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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 11:04:12 -0400
From: "RJ Corradino" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) par restore menu wish list item

Ian wrote,
> after some headscratching... one could teach the win95 version of emacs
> to do this, with enough effort, or pretty close...
>
> There are also some pumped-up win95 file managers availible as shareware
> that might give you some of this. Try www.downloads.com, or something.

Great...I'll take a look for the file manager addons.  Emacs- I never heard
of that.  Is it shareware??
> > 1- Ability to right click highlighted text use the windows
> 'send to' feature
> > to add the text to a par.
> Not too hard to write a little tool to do this. Sadly, I don't have the
> free time today, but if any win95 programmers want to play...

I'm surprised this is something easy.  I know the right click menus are
different for all programs, and I don't even get a send to option for
text...

- -RJ


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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 11:18:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ian Kaplan <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) par restore menu wish list item

RJ wrote:

> Great...I'll take a look for the file manager addons.  Emacs- I
> never heard of that.  Is it shareware??

Ah... Emacs is the world's greatest text editor, a text editor so
programmable that you can use it as a web browser, a file manager, or
almost anything else... it would be very possible to program emacs to do
the split windowing thing you describe, though much more work than I can
take on right now...

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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 11:26:54 -0400
From: "RJ Corradino" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Winfract and Partobat?

I just downloaded Winfract, and while it clearly isn't as great as Fractint
dos(I would adore color cycling, but I take what I can get), I find it's
quite a nice fractal program, IMHO.  I like the fact that it doesn't have a
zillion toolbars and so forth, so it's just as uncluttered as the dos
version.  Also it allows for that *tiny* zoom box, whereas fractint dos'
smallest size is still rather large.

What I was wondering is if there is a way to run Partobat(or something
similar) with Winfract.  In dos I can't multitask- so the only time I can
run the bats is at night.  I'd much rather do it durring the day, so I can
chat, surf, write poetry, etc.  Any ideas??


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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 11:30:24 -0400
From: "RJ Corradino" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Fractals and Poetry

What would be the best way to imbed a poem in a fractal?  My hope is to
start writing poems with fractals to go along with them.  My only ideas are;

1- Use paint shop pro to type the poem over the GIF, but I know the list
isn't too wild about attachments.  Also, I wonder if that would have a
negative effect on zooming etc. if the gif was loaded back into fractint.

2- Comments in a par, but I wouldn't exactly call that artisticly
intertwined with the fractal.  You can't even see the comments within
fractint...

- -RJ


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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 17:37:16 +0200
From: Joe Pearson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Guide to Julia sets

Paul D:
I like your guide to the m-set.
http://www3.sympatico.ca/bob.beland/manguide.html

Now, what about a Julia set guide that explains these Herman disks,
Siegel rings, Heinz baked beans and other major features that I keep
hearing about?

Joe

BakedBeans              { ;               Joe Pearson 1998-May-08 t=
0:03:57.6
                     ; Par/frm from Paul Carlson, recoloured, with
apologies
                     ; time is on a 486-75 640x480
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=*.frm formulaname=r4_mand_pok
  passes=t center-mag=0/0/0.8503401
  params=2/0.2/0.359166203/-0.09033392599999999/2/10 float=y
  maxiter=5000 inside=253 outside=summ
  colors=yV0zW0<28>c40zW0<28>c40zW0<28>\
  c40zW0<28>c40zW0<28>c40zW0<28>c40zW\
  0<28>c40zW0<28>c40000<13>000
  }



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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 11:42:19 -0400
From: "RJ Corradino" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) par restore menu wish list item

Ahh...I bet that would work well.  Sounds much easier than starting from
scratch.

Now, the big question.  Do I need to do any programing to get good use out
of it?  Are any of the file manager capabilities already in it?  Right now I
use PFE as a notepad replacment...would this be worth the download(or worth
the money, if it's commercialware)?  It certainly sounds cool...

Thanks,
- -RJ

Ian wrote;

> Ah... Emacs is the world's greatest text editor, a text editor so
> programmable that you can use it as a web browser, a file manager, or
> almost anything else... it would be very possible to program emacs to do
> the split windowing thing you describe, though much more work than I can
> take on right now...


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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 17:49:30 +0200
From: Joe Pearson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Newbie basic par

Hi.  About time I posted an original par, I suppose.

As a believer in the basic Mandelbrot/Julia formula being enough for a
lifetime, and being limited in available processing power for complex
formulae, I've done most exploring there.  This par shows one of the
more complex Julia sets I found early on (at low zooms!), where
unexpected structures emerge over an order of magnitude.  Float=yes is
required (I couldn't work out why there were fuzzy blocks in the middle,
until I turned float on).

Joe

Pentagram      { ;"Double Pentagram" (c) Joe Pearson May 06, 1998 t=
0:07:23.64
                     ; time on 486-75 640x480
  reset=1960 type=julia
  center-mag=-0.00000000000000000/+0.00000000000000000/1523.981/1/65
  params=-0.7612078329687501/0.08479657003125 float=y maxiter=2000
  logmap=518 colors=000004<186>00x00y00y00z11z<59>xxzzzzzzzzzz
  }


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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 11:51:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ian Kaplan <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) par restore menu wish list item

>
> Ahh...I bet that would work well.  Sounds much easier than starting from
> scratch.
>
> Now, the big question.  Do I need to do any programing to get good use out
> of it?  Are any of the file manager capabilities already in it?  Right now I
> use PFE as a notepad replacment...would this be worth the download(or worth
> the money, if it's commercialware)?  It certainly sounds cool...
>
> Thanks,
> -RJ

well... emacs is non-easy, particularly if you aren't coming from a UNIX
background... it's free, of course, and worth playing with, but I can't
guarantee you'll find it easy enough to be useful, or useful enough to be
easy, or something...

there are FAQs on emacs findable on the web...


>
> Ian wrote;
>
> > Ah... Emacs is the world's greatest text editor, a text editor so
> > programmable that you can use it as a web browser, a file manager, or
> > almost anything else... it would be very possible to program emacs to do
> > the split windowing thing you describe, though much more work than I can
> > take on right now...
>
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 13:03:33 -0400
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Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractals and Poetry

RJ wrote:

>>> What would be the best way to imbed a poem in a fractal?  My hope is to
start writing poems with fractals to go along with them.  My only ideas
are;
1- Use paint shop pro to type the poem over the GIF, but I know the list
isn't too wild about attachments.  Also, I wonder if that would have a
negative effect on zooming etc. if the gif was loaded back into fractint.
<<<

RJ:

This sounds like a great idea! I'm not sure what the best way is, although
using PSP would work. However, it is rather difficult to manipulate text in
PSP and other paint programs. And once you save the GIF, you cannot go back
and edit the text. I have never tried this in a WP program but I suspect it
wouldn't work; text manipulation would be easy but I'm not sure that you
could put text on top of a picture. Also, WP programs tend to be
proprietary. Perhaps the best solution would be a Desk Top Publishing
program, if you have one. DTP programs are supposed to be good at both text
and graphics. I hope someone who knows more about this will jump in an make
a recommendation.

As you suspected, once you manipulate the GIF in another program, you would
lose the ability to zoom in fractint, in fact you would lose all the
fractint info in the GIF.

Actually, I did something very similar to this. I printed our wedding
invitations with a light fractal in the background. I ended up using Print
Artist (a greeting card program) to do it. PA has great text manipulation
(change fonts, resize, correct errors, special effects, etc.). It is not a
paint program but it will use any GIF, JPG, BMP, etc. that you point it to.
It does allow you to easily move or resize the graphic, though. The printed
invitations look very nice but unless you own PA, you would not be able to
see it on screen. PA does allow you to export to JPG, but the exported
images usually don't look very good.

Let us know what you come up with. I'm sure you could find somebody with
space on their server to post your images.

Nick



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