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fractint-digest         Tuesday, April 7 1998         Volume 01 : Number 158




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Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 02:48:46 PDT
From: "Paul Derbyshire" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Matrox problems...

Sadly, your computers are suffering from Windosis NTeritis. This is an
incurable condition marked by severe symptoms inculding an inability to
run DOS apps in SVGA modes. The only recourse is to humanely put the
afflicted machines to sleep. Then install W95.
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Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 11:23:16 +0100
From: robin bussell <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Matrox problems...

[e-mail] wrote:
>


>         No! Stop! Don't buy the Matrox Millenium II just yet! Sorry,
<snip>
> The damn things won't run fractint at anything
> over (I think) SF3,  Now, this may be a
> Windows NT's fault, it's more than likely,


Just to add in a positive note here, I've just accuired a matrox Millenium II
with 8Mb and it works perfectly from dos, just select Sylvie's Matrox 1600x1200
mode from the video mode list and bingo! ultra high res fractals :-)

From NT though is a different story as you've discovered, HAL says "I'm sorry, I can't let you do that"!
(techie joke alert! .. HAL = Hardware Abstraction Layer = part of NT that sits between applications and the actual
hardware of the machine and causes confusion
when dos apps like fractint try and access the video cards directly )

I find the same problem with my NT machine at work which has a different video
card (cirrus logic ) , it won't run a full screen dos session any higher than 640x480x256 ... which is the maximum that
was available on the original VGA cards which is what the HAL is probably designed around.

Disk video should work however so you can use the low res mode to search for the
right image, switch to disk video to render it, then display the resultant file using a windows image viewing program...
a bit long winded but workable.

Hope this helps a bit,
                    Robin.

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Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 05:37:38 PDT
From: "Paul Derbyshire" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Matrox problems...

Sounds like the HAL needs a major update... VESA support would be
reasonable. I.e. it provides VBE/AF to DOS apps for higher res modes.
I won't get W98/NT or whatever until Microsoft promises this...
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Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 11:49:10 -0500
From: Kivryn_H <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re: fractint-digest V1 #157

Wizzle wrote concerning color maps in par:

>  We'd just
> need to make sure the newbies can figure out how to
> load the maps via the
> par format

Thank you Wizzle for remembering us newbies.  It's really easy for us to
feel left out sometimes. :)

Also, can these new colors be used in other fractal programs?

Regards,
Kivryn

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Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 17:12:51 -0400
From: Peter Jakubowicz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Matrox problems...

>I find the same problem with my NT machine at work which has a different
video
>card (cirrus logic ) , it won't run a full screen dos session any higher
than 640x480x256 ... which is the maximum that
>was available on the original VGA cards which is what the HAL is probably
designed around.
>
>Disk video should work however so you can use the low res mode to search
for the
>right image, switch to disk video to render it, then display the resultant
file using a windows image viewing program...
>a bit long winded but workable.

This is the exact problem I have running Fractint under Win95 w/ my new
Diamond Fire GL 1000 Pro card: which I agree is better than not being able
run it at all, but still anyone considering this card shld be aware of this
potential problem. On the other hand, if someone buys it and figures out
how to make Fractint run at high rez, I wld sure appreciate hearing from
them, as I have exhausted my admittedly small back of tricks :)


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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 18:19:53 -0600
From: "Tim Wegner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) New Colormaps

Morgan wrote:

> I agree with Gedeon. It's a LOT easier to write programs to work with .map
> files than .par files. How is the "colors=" string translate to a palette
> anyway? It can be figured out, but it's not something one can take in at a
> glance.

As Gedeon himself pointed out, you can convert the maps from PAR
format to MAP format. Fractint already does this, and we will likely
make a one-step batch procedure to make it easier.

Seems to me that 100K is a lot to add to the size of the fractint
distribution. 25K is not so bad. SO getting the maps in PAR format is
necessary if you want all the maps. Otherwise the coice is 1/4 as
many maps in map format.

Tim


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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 17:53:37 -0700
From: "Jay Hill"<[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Formula Life Cycle

Hi Fractintiers

There are formulas that seem to just beam of good pictures
right out of the wrapper.

When we explore fractals, we use one of two methods,

1) use an existing formula and dial in parameters
  a) at random
  b) with good idea of what we want

2) create a new formula and dial in parameters
  a) at random
  b) with good idea of what we want

Now, assume this 2x2 search method space and given the
universe of posted fractals (on this list and on web pages),
what would you think is the life cycle of a formula?  Clearly
the classic MSet formula with perhaps extensions like power
and initial z as parameters has the most pictures of any and
is staying ahead by an ever increasing amount. But that may
be because it is a convenient starting point.

We see new formula posted here nearly every day. These
include one or maybe half a dozen pars (pictures). Then
some subscribers may explore around a little and save one
or two more on their disk. Then most of these formula are set
aside.

There seems to be a 'potential for good fractals' coefficient
associated with some formula that others just don't have.  I've
run across a few that, no matter how I fiddle them, they just give
mostly hash.  Others seem to give pretty good results for most
settings.

What makes a great formula great? What are the best formulas
to come to this list? I suspect out of the thousands out there,
only about half a dozen have generated the bulk of really
good pictures. But then again, are the best pictures generated
from obscure formula?

Any thoughts?

Jay




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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 21:20:37 -0500
From: "Turner Rentz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Formula Life Cycle

The answer is that the mind pursues 'beauty' by seeking fractal
relationships.
This is profound, but then Michael Barnsley's adage comes to mind- fractals
are everywhere..

If Iterated Systems hasn't finished compression
or the .fif file end up being as popular as the lossy  jpg file format -
the bandwidth of the net is too finite for our information to travel it
beautifully.



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From: Jay Hill <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Monday, April 06, 1998 3:28 PM
Subject: (fractint) Formula Life Cycle


>
>Hi Fractintiers
>
>There are formulas that seem to just beam of good pictures
>right out of the wrapper.
>
>When we explore fractals, we use one of two methods,
>
>1) use an existing formula and dial in parameters
>  a) at random
>  b) with good idea of what we want
>
>2) create a new formula and dial in parameters
>  a) at random
>  b) with good idea of what we want
>
>Now, assume this 2x2 search method space and given the
>universe of posted fractals (on this list and on web pages),
>what would you think is the life cycle of a formula?  Clearly
>the classic MSet formula with perhaps extensions like power
>and initial z as parameters has the most pictures of any and
>is staying ahead by an ever increasing amount. But that may
>be because it is a convenient starting point.
>
>We see new formula posted here nearly every day. These
>include one or maybe half a dozen pars (pictures). Then
>some subscribers may explore around a little and save one
>or two more on their disk. Then most of these formula are set
>aside.
>
>There seems to be a 'potential for good fractals' coefficient
>associated with some formula that others just don't have.  I've
>run across a few that, no matter how I fiddle them, they just give
>mostly hash.  Others seem to give pretty good results for most
>settings.
>
>What makes a great formula great? What are the best formulas
>to come to this list? I suspect out of the thousands out there,
>only about half a dozen have generated the bulk of really
>good pictures. But then again, are the best pictures generated
>from obscure formula?
>
>Any thoughts?
>
>Jay
>
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 19:28:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jiho Kim <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Bailout condition

I'm not sure if this been covered too, but I'll give it a shot.

In the traditional mandelbrot formula,

Mandelbrot {; classic
   z=0, c=pixel;
   z=z*z+c,
   |z|<=4
}

The bailout condition is dependent on one function, |z|.  Would it be
valid to do something like, cos(z)<=exp(x)?


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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 23:28:53 -0400
From: "Peter Gavin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Herman rings?

What are herman rings?...  I've heard about them, but I'm not sure which
phenomenon they name...  Are they the spirals and rings you sea in the
'seahorse valley'?

Pete


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Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 01:00:51 -0300
From: Fabian Labeau <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) My first fractal (frog included, name tango)

Well, my first two fractals...formulae included (I`ve checked if they are
original formulae using orgform, but I can=B4t be 100% sure...Please tell me
if they aren=B4t).
Maybe they aren=B4t amazing, but they are MY FIRST TWO!=20
BTW, I like frogs...

uno!               { ; Mi Primer Fractal!
                     ; CalcTime   0:01:02.84 at 640x480 on a P100
                     ; Image Copyright Apr 07 1998 by Fabian Labeau
                     ; e-mail to: [e-mail]
  reset=3D1960 type=3Dformula formulafile=3Dmiprueba.frm formulaname=3DFulan=
o
  center-mag=3D0.585765/-0.727015/15.40927 float=3Dy
  colors=3D000<35>x00z00z10<34>zx0zz0zz1<36>zzz<49>zz4zz3zz2zz0zy0zx0<50>y20=
\
  x00w00<30>200000000000000
  }

frog               { ; Fractal frog (Name: Tango)
                     ; CalcTime   0:00:35.43 at 640x480 on a P100
                     ; Image Copyright Apr 07 1998 by Fabian Labeau
                     ; e-mail to: [e-mail]
  reset=3D1960 type=3Dformula formulafile=3Dmiprueba.frm formulaname=3DTango
  center-mag=3D0/0/0.6666667 float=3Dy inside=3Dbof60
  colors=3D242AC2EK6IK2MS6ISAM_EQ_AUgEU_6QS2Y_2ag6YgAaoEeoAiwEio6eg2mo2qw6uw=
\
  2yv6uvAynEqvEmwAmvIqnMunIyfMufQyZUqfUmnQinUevQivMewIawMYoIYwQavUYvYanaYn\
  eafiefeiZiifaenYmfYqZauZYyRauReyJiqRimZemRmqJquJmyBquBuy3yqBymJuiJyeRuiR\
  qeZmaZqYfmYZuaRyUZyQfuUfqQnmMnqIvmInuMfyEnyAvu6vy2wu6wq2omAwmEvqEwiAoe6o\
  i2ge6ga2_YAgYEoaIoYMwaIweMviQveUniUvaQwYUwUQoQUoMQgIMgMI_IIgQMoUEgUA_Q6_\
  U2SQ6SM2KIASIE_MESEAKA6KE2CA6C6682AG6EG2MO2IO6IWEMWAQcEUcAQW6UW2ac2Yc6Yk\
  EakAesEisAek6ik2ms6qs2yz2uz6yrAurEqzAmzEmrMqrIyjIujMybQubUqjQmjUerUirQiz\
  IezMasIYsMazQYzUarYYraYjiajeebiibeejaijYmbaqbYyVYuVayNeuNiqVemVimNqqNmyF\
  muFqy7uu7yqFumFyeNyiNuiVmeVqabmYbqaVuYVyQbyUbuUjmQjqMrmIrqMjuIjyEruAry2z\
  y6zu2sq6smAzqEzmEseAsi2ki6ke2ca6cYAkaEkYMsYIsaIziMzeQriUreQzaUzYQsUUsQUk\
  IQkMMcIIcMMkQIkUEcQAcU2WU6WQ2OM6OIAWMEWIEOAAOE2GE6GA286
  }

frm:Fulano { ; Fabian Labeau Abril 98
z=3Dpixel :
a=3Dz-z^3
b=3Dz+pixel
z=3Dz*(z^z)*pixel+(a^b),
       |z| <=3D 6
}

frm:Tango { ; Fabian Labeau Abril 98
z=3Dpixel :
a=3Dz/z^3
b=3Dz*pixel
z=3Dz*(a^z)*pixel+(z^b),
       |z| <=3D 6
}

Saludos
                 Fabian Labeau
                 [e-mail]
                 [e-mail]
                 [e-mail]
                 http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/3792

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Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 00:27:11 -0500
From: Bob Margolis <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Fractal Reports w/Fractint stuff

Found on sci. fractals amongst the flood of messages pertaining to
trolls and werewolves was this message that may be of interest to some
of you:

John de Rivaz wrote:

> A new website with much to interest the Fractal enthusiast:
> from a newsletter that appeared in the 1980s and early 1990s.
>
> http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Launchpad/5113/
>
> --
> John de Rivaz, publisher.

Some of the Fractal Reports contain articles with Fractint formula and
parameter files you might want to read.

Bob Margolis

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Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 00:27:11 -0500
From: Bob Margolis <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Fractal Reports w/Fractint stuff

Found on sci. fractals amongst the flood of messages pertaining to
trolls and werewolves was this message that may be of interest to some
of you:

John de Rivaz wrote:

> A new website with much to interest the Fractal enthusiast:
> from a newsletter that appeared in the 1980s and early 1990s.
>
> http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Launchpad/5113/
>
> --
> John de Rivaz, publisher.

Some of the Fractal Reports contain articles with Fractint formula and
parameter files you might want to read.

Bob Margolis

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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 11:05:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ian Kaplan <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Monitor and video cards

>
> I think the Prince and I have settled on the Matrox Millenium II card
> recommended by someone on this list. What do you all think of the 19"
> Optiquest monitor? Anyone one have a 19" MAG?? (I currently have a MAG
> 14"). The MAG is about $100 cheaper than the Optiquest...but I'm willing to
> pop for the extra bucks if it's worth while since I mostly do graphics with
> my puter.

I haven't seen the 19" MAG or the Optiquest, but my general experience
with MAG isn't really great. Reviews suggest that the best 19" monitors
in the normal price range are the compaq v90, the hitachi, and maybe the
NEC... of course, the ideal is to go look at all the monitors running
fractint, but with big monitors such a setup can be hard to find...

Buying good monitors, however, is one of the best investments in PC-land,
because 1) it makes a difference for EVERYTHING you do and 2) a really
good monitor can often outlive two or three computer upgrades.


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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 11:05:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ian Kaplan <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Monitor and video cards

>
> I think the Prince and I have settled on the Matrox Millenium II card
> recommended by someone on this list. What do you all think of the 19"
> Optiquest monitor? Anyone one have a 19" MAG?? (I currently have a MAG
> 14"). The MAG is about $100 cheaper than the Optiquest...but I'm willing to
> pop for the extra bucks if it's worth while since I mostly do graphics with
> my puter.

I haven't seen the 19" MAG or the Optiquest, but my general experience
with MAG isn't really great. Reviews suggest that the best 19" monitors
in the normal price range are the compaq v90, the hitachi, and maybe the
NEC... of course, the ideal is to go look at all the monitors running
fractint, but with big monitors such a setup can be hard to find...

Buying good monitors, however, is one of the best investments in PC-land,
because 1) it makes a difference for EVERYTHING you do and 2) a really
good monitor can often outlive two or three computer upgrades.


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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 20:35:14 -1000
From: "Shauna Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Photoshop 4.0 free

On  5 Apr 98 at 16:22, Marie Drozdis wrote:

> If any of you work for an academic institution, you
> can get the *full* CorelDraw8 program in an academic
> edition (meaning without manual) for around a hundred
> dollars.

I think that being a student is sufficient, also.

> Third-party manuals are readily available.

The "academic" edition (I have it, too, just v7 though)
has the full manuals on the CD in Envoy format. The Envoy
reader is included (Envoy was a competitor of Acrobat).

It comes with some fractal plugins, I think, but I can
use Fractint images as textures in Corel, so I'm happy.

Another blast of bits from David
Visit our not-so-boring web page: http://www.aloha.net/~shauna/
Visit the Hawaii Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org/
For the best Hawaii & Pacific Basin surf forecast: mailto:[e-mail]

Random Thought for this Nanosecond
Captain, why not just give the Borg Windows 3.1? - Worf



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Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 00:03:22 -0700
From: "Jay Hill" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Bailout condition

> From: Jiho Kim <[e-mail]>

>
> In the traditional mandelbrot formula,
>
> Mandelbrot {; classic
>    z=0, c=pixel;
>    z=z*z+c,
>    |z|<=4
> }
>
> The bailout condition is dependent on one function, |z|.  Would it be
> valid to do something like, cos(z)<=exp(x)?

Well, what do you mean by this?  What is x? Do you really mean c?

Also, z is complex, so is cos(z). Therefore you need to convert
cos(z) to a real by selecting real or imaginary part or abs.

So, with c also complex, you might write

|cos(z)| <= |exp(c)|

Now exp is like changing polar to rectangular, so this is like

|cos(z)| <= |exp(real(c))|

So let's experiment. Try this

frm:Kim_frm {; for Jiho Kim
   z=0, c=pixel;
   z=z*z+c,
   |cos(z)| <= |exp(c)|
}

kims               { ; for Jiho Kim
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=kim.frm formulaname=Kim_frm
  center-mag=1.33227e-015/-8.88178e-016/0.5 float=y maxiter=256
  inside=bof60
  colors=000000<28>uISwJTwKT<37>wuTwwU\
  vwU<37>2w10x00z0<30>020000000<14>000\
  110330<29>zz0<30>220000000<29>000
  }

Not much, but who knows, a few more tweaks... or maybe a hammer blow.

Jay




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Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 07:37:45 -0700
From: Wizzle <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) New Colormaps

Some sort of option to JUST save the colormap part of a par would be pretty
neat too.....or can we do this already and I don't know how? I'd certainly
be stymied if I didn't have that nice little pallet of colors to look at
when making a new map. I'd never be able to just write a map as a par.

I'd like to be able to compare two or more of those pallets at once,
myself. Sometimes I get a little TOO subtle and can't tell which map to
ditch. I'd know if I could compare the pallets visually. Is there a utility
out there already for this? One that was Windows based would be really
nice!!! Throw in the ability to re-name the maps and sort them into
different folders and you'd have a very handy tool that I would use a lot.
Heck....toss in the par-writing feature too!!

Angela


At 11:29 PM 4/5/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Paul Derbyshire wrote:
>
>> >Everyone note that we haven't decided to distribute maps as PAR
>> >files, we are just considering it. ....
>>
>> I say ditch the map format altogether, use par-interface for svaing and
>> loading maps in 20.0.
>
>To distribute maps as PAR files is one thing, to ditch the MAP format
altogether
>is quite another. Why make obsolete a number of programs available to work
with
>map files, even if they are in some sense redundant to Fractint's own palette
>editor? Why ditch a format which provides some insight as to what is going
on,
>through inspection in a text editor, and replace it with a string of
>unintelligible symbols as a sole record of colors?
>
>Gedeon
>
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Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 07:18:04 -0700
From: Wizzle <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Par (In memorium)

At 12:18 PM 4/5/98 -0400, you wrote:
>I learned yesterday that a friend had passed away over a year ago. His
>absence had been wondered at...
>"Bat" was a true gentleman and friend and very helpful for those in need.
>Image posted in abpf, the par I thought I would post here.
>
>
>
>Keith              { ; From Kerry Mitchell's Bubbleboth_man frm.
>                     ;

<<snipped>>

This par was a very lovely tribute to your friend. My condolences on losing
someone who was so meaningful to you.

Angela

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Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 08:51:02 -0300 (BST)
From: Jerry Fox <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Formula Life Cycle

Jay Hill wrote:

> What makes a great formula great? What are the best formulas
> to come to this list? I suspect out of the thousands out there,
> only about half a dozen have generated the bulk of really
> good pictures. But then again, are the best pictures generated
> from obscure formula?

It might be significant that the original Mandel formaula is one of
the simplest of all.  Personally I find the formulas with no IF..ELSE
elements more satisfying than the 'constructed' ones - I noticed one
set of formulas that draws alphanumerics on the screen!

Is there a relationship between the complexity of the formula and
its longevity?

Jerry Fox

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Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 05:15:42 -0400
From: davides <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Photoshop 4.0 free

At 08:35 PM 4/6/98 -1000, you wrote:
On  5 Apr 98 at 16:22, Marie Drozdis wrote:

 If any of you work for an academic institution, you
 can get the *full* CorelDraw8 program in an academic
 edition (meaning without manual) for around a hundred
 dollars.

Does one request the program directly from Corel? Or must one go through
the institution? In my case it would be U. of Md...

[e-mail]
Back up my hard drive?
How do I put it in reverse?

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Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 02:35:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: "James R. McKenzie" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Photoshop 4.0 free

I've seen SURPLUS DIRECT offer Academic Versions of serveral programs
most being the latest versions too.     URL below


http://www.surplusdirect.com

They specialize in clearance sales and deals but they do carry new
stuff too.  Can't hurt to look can it?




                               L8R



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Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 07:14:19 -0700
From: Wizzle <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Matrox problems...

Oh goody goody goody!!! Not only do I get to buy the Matrox card but I can
rub the NT problem in the nose of my smart-*ss kid who thinks NT is the be
all and end all. Love it!!!! I'm resisting his push to NT-ize my new puter.

Angela

At 11:23 AM 4/6/98 +0100, you wrote:
>[e-mail] wrote:
>>
>
>
>>         No! Stop! Don't buy the Matrox Millenium II just yet! Sorry,
><snip>
>> The damn things won't run fractint at anything
>> over (I think) SF3,  Now, this may be a
>> Windows NT's fault, it's more than likely,
>
>
>Just to add in a positive note here, I've just accuired a matrox Millenium II
>with 8Mb and it works perfectly from dos, just select Sylvie's Matrox
1600x1200
>mode from the video mode list and bingo! ultra high res fractals :-)
>
>>From NT though is a different story as you've discovered, HAL says "I'm
sorry, I can't let you do that"!
>(techie joke alert! .. HAL = Hardware Abstraction Layer = part of NT that
sits between applications and the actual
>hardware of the machine and causes confusion
>when dos apps like fractint try and access the video cards directly )
>
>I find the same problem with my NT machine at work which has a different
video
>card (cirrus logic ) , it won't run a full screen dos session any higher
than 640x480x256 ... which is the maximum that
>was available on the original VGA cards which is what the HAL is probably
designed around.
>
>Disk video should work however so you can use the low res mode to search
for the
>right image, switch to disk video to render it, then display the resultant
file using a windows image viewing program...
>a bit long winded but workable.
>
>Hope this helps a bit,
>                    Robin.
>
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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 11:59:37 -0600
From: Ray Montgomery <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Thanks to Wizzle

        Angela;
                Thanks for visiting Antennae.  It's a start - of what I
don't know, but a start nevertheless.
        It was good of you to take the time to stop by.
                                Ray Montgommery


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Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 07:20:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Michael Traynor)
Subject: Re: (fractint) Photoshop 4.0 free

>Another blast of bits from David
>
>Random Thought for this Nanosecond
>Captain, why not just give the Borg Windows 3.1? - Worf

Hey, you really want to distract them?  Give them Fractint, sign them up
to the fractint and fractal art lists and give them a 486/33 to run it on.
That should keep anyone busy!



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Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 19:28:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jiho Kim <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Bailout condition

I'm not sure if this been covered too, but I'll give it a shot.

In the traditional mandelbrot formula,

Mandelbrot {; classic
   z=0, c=pixel;
   z=z*z+c,
   |z|<=4
}

The bailout condition is dependent on one function, |z|.  Would it be
valid to do something like, cos(z)<=exp(x)?


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Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 07:11:58 -0700
From: Wizzle <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Matrox problems...

I thought Sylvie has written a driver for the Millenium II card and that it
works just fine with that. Was I wrong? We are in buying mode big time here
at Chez Wizzle. Please advise ASAP.

Angela

P.s. so what DOES work with Fractint. I'm getting a 19" monitor so need an
8mgb card at least.

At 04:03 AM 4/6/98 EDT, you wrote:
>    No! Stop! Don't buy the Matrox Millenium II just yet! Sorry,
>Angela, I
>could have spoken sooner, but I didn't want to bother the list with a
>problem
>like this.
>    I've just moved into a lab here with 2 brand new, identical
>awesome
>computers, 300 MHz, 21" NEC monitors, Matrox Millenium II videocard with
>8 MB, etc, etc... AND... The damn things won't run fractint at anything
>over
>(I think) SF3, (a pathetic and unusably low res videomode.) I've tried
>downloading
>the latest drivers from Matrox, but it made no difference. Now, this may
>be a
>Windows NT's fault, it's more than likely, so I don't want to warn you
>off of
>Matrox, Wizzle, I just wanted to alert you to a potential problem. It's
>probably
>fine with Win95. (Stick with it, you're right!)
>
>    But what should I do? Any ideas? I didn't want to ask such an
>annoying
>question as "help, I can't get fractint to run..."     Does anyone
>out there use
>fractint on NT successfully (must be, right?) I guess the important
>question
>is, has anyone ever had this kind of problem and figured out a way around
>it?
>    I drool for the raw speed and ultra deep fractals that I hope
>lie ahead. I want SF9!!
>
>Thanks for the help.
>(And enjoy your new computer, Wizzle!)
>
>Jonathan Wolfe, Ph.D
>SkyDyes
>2917 Campus Blvd. NE
>Albuquerque, NM 87106
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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 21:20:37 -0500
From: "Turner Rentz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Formula Life Cycle

The answer is that the mind pursues 'beauty' by seeking fractal
relationships.
This is profound, but then Michael Barnsley's adage comes to mind- fractals
are everywhere..

If Iterated Systems hasn't finished compression
or the .fif file end up being as popular as the lossy  jpg file format -
the bandwidth of the net is too finite for our information to travel it
beautifully.



- -----Original Message-----
From: Jay Hill <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Monday, April 06, 1998 3:28 PM
Subject: (fractint) Formula Life Cycle


>
>Hi Fractintiers
>
>There are formulas that seem to just beam of good pictures
>right out of the wrapper.
>
>When we explore fractals, we use one of two methods,
>
>1) use an existing formula and dial in parameters
>  a) at random
>  b) with good idea of what we want
>
>2) create a new formula and dial in parameters
>  a) at random
>  b) with good idea of what we want
>
>Now, assume this 2x2 search method space and given the
>universe of posted fractals (on this list and on web pages),
>what would you think is the life cycle of a formula?  Clearly
>the classic MSet formula with perhaps extensions like power
>and initial z as parameters has the most pictures of any and
>is staying ahead by an ever increasing amount. But that may
>be because it is a convenient starting point.
>
>We see new formula posted here nearly every day. These
>include one or maybe half a dozen pars (pictures). Then
>some subscribers may explore around a little and save one
>or two more on their disk. Then most of these formula are set
>aside.
>
>There seems to be a 'potential for good fractals' coefficient
>associated with some formula that others just don't have.  I've
>run across a few that, no matter how I fiddle them, they just give
>mostly hash.  Others seem to give pretty good results for most
>settings.
>
>What makes a great formula great? What are the best formulas
>to come to this list? I suspect out of the thousands out there,
>only about half a dozen have generated the bulk of really
>good pictures. But then again, are the best pictures generated
>from obscure formula?
>
>Any thoughts?
>
>Jay
>
>
>
>
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