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fractint-digest         Monday, April 6 1998         Volume 01 : Number 157




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Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 15:25:58 -0400
From: "Peter Gavin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) List statistics

If anyone is interested, since 2/21/98, when I first joined this list, 969
messages were posted to this list.  And this makes it 970 :)



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Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 12:34:02 -0700
From: "Jay Hill" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) New Colormaps

> From: Wizzle <[e-mail]>
> Jay...
>
> I posted all of the new maps in .par format as well as in .map format. Do I
> need to do something else as well? Also, I did have some broken links
> yesterday, so sorry. Please check today and you should find all the .pars
> for the colors.
>
> Angela
>

I could say my eyes are in need of some more drops and/or thicker
lenses, for I sure thought your site only had map files. Anyway, your
par files are all double spaced.  I thought Fractint barfed on extra spaces!
But for some reason your pars load OK!!  I don't get it...  Nice work.

Now there is just one more thing. Would you put a ALLPAR.ZIP at
the bottom of column 2?  Thanks.

Paint Shop Pro 5.0 beta expires Apr 30. They offer the real one pre
release for $100.  What is the usual price?

Peter wrote
>If anyone is interested, since 2/21/98, when I first joined this list, 969
>messages were posted to this list.

And this makes it 971.

Jay



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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 14:44:53 -0500
From: Janet Preslar <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) New Colormaps

Jay Hill wrote:

> Paint Shop Pro 5.0 beta expires Apr 30. They offer the real one pre
> release for $100.  What is the usual price?

PSP 4 was $69 and the upgrade to version 5 is $39.

Janet


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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 15:46:12 -0400
From: davides <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) ?par

Finally got around to d/l the color maps Angela put together; the following
pars are same image with 4 maps, two of which are mine (obviously). Thank
you Angela for the time and effort in compiling the maps.

?                  { ; From GenInvMandi_N (Jm Collard-Richard)
                     ; Color map:dav24
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm
  formulaname=GenInvMand1_N function=asin/asin/sinh/sin passes=t
  center-mag=0.328446/0/0.6666667 float=y maxiter=800 inside=260
  outside=real decomp=256 distest=1/71/1024/768 finattract=y
  colors=olnV00<5>a00c00b00<13>M00K00K00<23>c00c00b00<20>K00000<106>000Q73\
  <2>M21K00L11<27>qprsrtrqs<28>M22K00L00<7>U00
  }

?1                 { ; From GenInvMandi_N (Jm Collard-Richard)
                     ; Color map:Lindaa03
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm
  formulaname=GenInvMand1_N function=asin/asin/sinh/sin passes=t
  center-mag=0.328446/0/0.6666667 float=y maxiter=800 inside=260
  outside=real decomp=256 distest=1/71/1024/768 finattract=y
  colors=000<26>000111333<33>zzz<31>222000000<61>000111332<29>xn_<31>22200\
  0000<29>000
  }

?2                 { ; From GenInvMandi_N (Jm Collard-Richard)
                     ; Color map:Wizz1015
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm
  formulaname=GenInvMand1_N function=asin/asin/sinh/sin passes=t
  center-mag=0.328446/0/0.6666667 float=y maxiter=800 inside=260
  outside=real decomp=256 distest=1/71/1024/768 finattract=y
  colors=000OOOLLL<2>SSSUUUVVV<5>gggjjjkkk<2>sss<10>XXXUUUTTT<2>LLL<2>SSSU\
  UUVVV<5>gggjjjkkk<2>sss<15>000<121>0004468AA<13>0ww<14>0NN0KK2MM<14>gww<\
  15>0UUUUUTTTQQQ
  }

?3                 { ; From GenInvMandi_N (Jm Collard-Richard)
                     ; Color map:dav28
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm
  formulaname=GenInvMand1_N function=asin/asin/sinh/sin passes=t
  center-mag=0.328446/0/0.6666667 float=y maxiter=800 inside=260
  outside=real decomp=256 distest=1/71/1024/768 finattract=y
  colors=000PA8<155>wwwwwwwvv<90>QB9PA8PA8PA8PA8PA8
  }

frm: GenInvMand1_N { ; Jm Collard-Richard
  c=z=1/pixel:
   z=fn1(z)*fn2(z)+fn3(fn4(c))
    |z|<=4
  }

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Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 15:59:53 -0400
From: "Philip DiGiorgi" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) New Colormaps

Wizzle,

Some very fine and useful maps, thanks very much for your efforts.

I like the idea of putting them into par files, but is there an easy method
of doing this?   Generating pars one at a time and then manually editing out
the unnecessary information just seems like too much work, especially when
you have several hundred maps or more.   Maybe someone with some programming
skills could come up with a way to do this automatically with a batch file
or something??

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Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 16:22:47 -0400
From: "Marie Drozdis" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Photoshop 4.0 free

If any of you work for an academic institution, you can get the *full*
CorelDraw8 program in an academic edition (meaning without manual) for
around a hundred dollars.

Third-party manuals are readily available.

This is how I got mine.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Wizzle <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Sunday, April 05, 1998 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: (fractint) Photoshop 4.0 free


>Is Photoshop strictly a bitmap graphics program? And I think it retails for
>about $500. I have Corel Draw 7 which has both a bitmap editor and a vector
>graphics program as well as 3D (a lot for the $225 I paid). Lots of
>Photoshop filters (which plug into Paintshop Pro and Corel Draw) are
>available at
>
>http://www.netins.net/showcase/wolf359/plugins.htm
>and
>http://hem1.passagen.se/grafoman/plugtool/plugs.html



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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 16:48:35 -0400
From: Gedeon Peteri <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) New Colormaps

Jay,

Until just a couple of days ago JASC offered PSP 4.14 for $69 with a coupon
entitling you to a FREE PSP 5 CD, to be sent after release.  That offer has now
disappeared from their page, but it is possible that they may still honor it. On
the other hand the disappearance of this offer coincides with Microsoft's
purchase of JASC Software for $69 million, so who knows?  But there are on-line
mail order firms which are selling PSP 5 for later delivery at around $70. I
don't remember right off which ones. I took advantage of the above offer, so I
did not bookmark them.

Gedeon

Jay Hill wrote:

> Paint Shop Pro 5.0 beta expires Apr 30. They offer the real one pre
> release for $100.  What is the usual price?




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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 15:58:03 PDT
From: "Paul Derbyshire" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) New Colormaps

Batch file, natch. But sed(1) could do it...
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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 16:37:55 -0700
From: Wizzle <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) New Colormaps

PSP has a special...buy 4.0 now at $69 and upgrade to 5.0 free in a month
or so.

At 12:34 PM 4/5/98 -0700, you wrote:
>> From: Wizzle <[e-mail]>
>> Jay...
>>
>> I posted all of the new maps in .par format as well as in .map format. Do I
>> need to do something else as well? Also, I did have some broken links
>> yesterday, so sorry. Please check today and you should find all the .pars
>> for the colors.
>>
>> Angela
>>
>
>I could say my eyes are in need of some more drops and/or thicker
>lenses, for I sure thought your site only had map files. Anyway, your
>par files are all double spaced.  I thought Fractint barfed on extra spaces!
>But for some reason your pars load OK!!  I don't get it...  Nice work.
>
>Now there is just one more thing. Would you put a ALLPAR.ZIP at
>the bottom of column 2?  Thanks.
>
>Paint Shop Pro 5.0 beta expires Apr 30. They offer the real one pre
>release for $100.  What is the usual price?
>
>Peter wrote
>>If anyone is interested, since 2/21/98, when I first joined this list, 969
>>messages were posted to this list.
>
>And this makes it 971.
>
>Jay
>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 16:45:22 -0700
From: Wizzle <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) New Colormaps

Based on Jay's and Paul D's request, I've zipped up the whole shebang of
maps and posted them on the same page. I think Paul's finger got tired of
clicking!!

http://wizzle.simplenet.com/fractals/fractint_maps/newmaps.htm

For your info....doing all the 120 pars probably took me about an hour. But
that includes generating them from the maps files as well as editing out
the non-color information. Editing the par files was really very fast.

I think it would be neat if folks let us know, when posting a par, that
they are using a  new map they made. That way we could grab the par for
viewing and slap the color part into a color par file. What does everyone
think of this idea?

Angela

At 03:59 PM 4/5/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Wizzle,
>
>Some very fine and useful maps, thanks very much for your efforts.
>
>I like the idea of putting them into par files, but is there an easy method
>of doing this?   Generating pars one at a time and then manually editing out
>the unnecessary information just seems like too much work, especially when
>you have several hundred maps or more.   Maybe someone with some programming
>skills could come up with a way to do this automatically with a batch file
>or something??
>
>Phil D.
>[e-mail]
>


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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 16:51:38 -0700
From: Wizzle <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Photoshop 4.0 free

Wow...fantastic deal!!! Corel Draw 8 got very good reviews and I certainly
like my Corel Draw 7. Also....there is a ton of help for Corel on the web,
so no manual might not be that much of a loss. Thanks so much for the
information.

Angela

At 04:22 PM 4/5/98 -0400, you wrote:
>If any of you work for an academic institution, you can get the *full*
>CorelDraw8 program in an academic edition (meaning without manual) for
>around a hundred dollars.
>
>Third-party manuals are readily available.
>
>This is how I got mine.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Wizzle <[e-mail]>
>To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>Date: Sunday, April 05, 1998 1:49 PM
>Subject: Re: (fractint) Photoshop 4.0 free
>
>
>>Is Photoshop strictly a bitmap graphics program? And I think it retails for
>>about $500. I have Corel Draw 7 which has both a bitmap editor and a vector
>>graphics program as well as 3D (a lot for the $225 I paid). Lots of
>>Photoshop filters (which plug into Paintshop Pro and Corel Draw) are
>>available at
>>
>>http://www.netins.net/showcase/wolf359/plugins.htm
>>and
>>http://hem1.passagen.se/grafoman/plugtool/plugs.html


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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 17:12:59 -0700
From: Wizzle <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Monitor and video cards

I think the Prince and I have settled on the Matrox Millenium II card
recommended by someone on this list. What do you all think of the 19"
Optiquest monitor? Anyone one have a 19" MAG?? (I currently have a MAG
14"). The MAG is about $100 cheaper than the Optiquest...but I'm willing to
pop for the extra bucks if it's worth while since I mostly do graphics with
my puter.

Also...I need advice on a really good printer. I'm willing to spend about
$800. Naturally, I'd be printing fractals!!! I have plenty of graphics
software so don't necessarily need something strictly compatible with
Fractint. Is the price differential between a 600dpi color printer and a
720dpi color printer really worth it? Anyone have Epson printers? Are they
well supported?

I will continue with my WIN95 o/s rather than moving to NT, which I find
problematic for many programs.

Thanks in advance for your advice.

Angela

p.s. could someone sent me the Matrox drivers for Fractint? I'd like to
install them the second I get my new system to try out Fractint.

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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 20:43:09 -0400
From: davides <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Color Printer

At 05:12 PM 4/5/98 -0700, you wrote:

>Also...I need advice on a really good printer. I'm willing to spend about
>$800. Naturally, I'd be printing fractals!!! I have plenty of graphics
>software so don't necessarily need something strictly compatible with
>Fractint. Is the price differential between a 600dpi color printer and a
>720dpi color printer really worth it? Anyone have Epson printers? Are they
>well supported?

I currently have and am _well_ pleased with my Epson Stylus color 800; cost
is about half of what you are willing to spend. Around $400 when I bought
mine. It is my understanding that the Epson 600 for about $100 less will do
everything the 800 does but at a slightly slower pace. The 800 will go up
to 1440 dpi or thereabouts, do "photo quality", etc., but 720 dpi is quite
sufficient IMO. As far as support - I have not yet needed any, so could not
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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 17:56:56 PDT
From: "Paul Derbyshire" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) New Colormaps

Thanks...
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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 20:56:13 -0400
From: davides <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Posting

At 10:54 AM 4/5/98 -0600, you wrote:
>        Linda, gumbycat, who has been such an enormous help to me, has
>posted an image of mine, made from one that she sent to me as a  learning
>aid, at a special address in case anybody wants to drop around and see it.
>        ....http://www.geocities.com/~gumbycat/raym.html...
>
>        Thanks, Linda!
>
>                                        Ray

Been taking a tad of time from processing wordies; brought in your antenna
and dropped it into fractint. Nice image. Tried a couple of my newer color
maps with it. A good image, imo, lends itself to different color maps -
this one does so quite well.




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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 17:58:07 PDT
From: "Paul Derbyshire" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) All my pars...

...contain original maps ;-)
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Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 20:13:09 -0600
From: "Tim Wegner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) New Colormaps

Bob wrote:

> If Fractint v.20 has a proposed graphic format change from gif to png,
> will the new format be able to read the current map files?

The current map files will work with any palette-based, 256 color
graphics format including PNG. Of course once true color is being
used, map files will not usually be used. Some truecolor schemes can
still use map files, and interpolate between the colors to get more
colors.

There will likely be a version 20 that is 19.6 plus Robin Bussell's
evolver. If so, it won't be so a much a big jump over 19.6 so much
as a recognition that we went to long without incrementing the major
version number. :-)

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Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 20:29:25 -0600
From: "Tim Wegner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) New Colormaps

Wizzle wrote:

> Based on Jay's and Paul D's request, I've zipped up the whole shebang of
> maps and posted them on the same page.

Good idea! Thanks for your work on this.

The size is somewhat large (110K) but not out of the question. I'm
pretty sure that converting the maps to pars would greatly reduce the
size.

Perhaps we could even write a small utility that would convert the
maps to PARS, or even build this into fractint. Actually, a clever
user could write a fractint autokey script to do this.

Do we have a volunteer to convert Wizzle's zip archives into PAR
files? The best approach would be to keep her organization, and not
do them all in one par file.

Everyone note that we haven't decided to distribute maps as PAR
files, we are just considering it. The idea is that you generate a
fractal, and color it by loading a PAR file. We need to see how well
this works.

Tim


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Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 20:42:02 -0600
From: "Tim Wegner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) New Colormaps

Sheesh, I need to read more carefully!! I asked for a volunteer to
convert Wizzle's maps to PARs and she had already done it!

Good job!

I downloaded your PAR files and zipped them. The results are:
ALLMAPS  ZIP       112,909  (map format)
ALLMAPS1 ZIP        25,485  (par format)

So it looks like the PAR format is worthwhile. Adding 25K to the
fractint distribution is not so bad.

Tim



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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 19:09:02 -0700
From: Wizzle <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) New Colormaps

25K?? wow..that's great considering the wonderful maps we have. We'd just
need to make sure the newbies can figure out how to load the maps via the
par format and maybe keep the .map versions at spanky for those that like
.map files better.

What do you all think??

Angela

At 08:42 PM 4/5/98 -0600, you wrote:
>Sheesh, I need to read more carefully!! I asked for a volunteer to
>convert Wizzle's maps to PARs and she had already done it!
>
>Good job!
>
>I downloaded your PAR files and zipped them. The results are:
>ALLMAPS  ZIP       112,909  (map format)
>ALLMAPS1 ZIP        25,485  (par format)
>
>So it looks like the PAR format is worthwhile. Adding 25K to the
>fractint distribution is not so bad.
>
>Tim


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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 22:25:17 -0400
From: Gedeon Peteri <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) New Colormaps

Wizzle wrote:

> 25K?? wow..that's great considering the wonderful maps we have. We'd just
> need to make sure the newbies can figure out how to load the maps via the
> par format and maybe keep the .map versions at spanky for those that like
> .map files better.
>
> What do you all think??

My personal preference is for .map files because (1) I am used to them; (2)
because I still have a vast amount of space on my hard drives;  (3) because
in that format they can be worked on with some mapping programs I have; and
(4) one does not have to get in and out of color cycling mode to get to a
.par file. However, converting the .par format to .map is easy, so I have no
objection whatever to their being published in that format. Tim's concern for
file size is surely the decisive factor.

Gedeon


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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 20:04:20 PDT
From: "Paul Derbyshire" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) New Colormaps

>Everyone note that we haven't decided to distribute maps as PAR
>files, we are just considering it. The idea is that you generate a
>fractal, and color it by loading a PAR file. We need to see how well
>this works.

I say ditch the map format altogether, use par-interface for svaing and
loading maps in 20.0.
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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 23:29:27 -0400
From: Gedeon Peteri <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) New Colormaps

Paul Derbyshire wrote:

> >Everyone note that we haven't decided to distribute maps as PAR
> >files, we are just considering it. ....
>
> I say ditch the map format altogether, use par-interface for svaing and
> loading maps in 20.0.

To distribute maps as PAR files is one thing, to ditch the MAP format altogether
is quite another. Why make obsolete a number of programs available to work with
map files, even if they are in some sense redundant to Fractint's own palette
editor? Why ditch a format which provides some insight as to what is going on,
through inspection in a text editor, and replace it with a string of
unintelligible symbols as a sole record of colors?

Gedeon


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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 00:07:02 -500
From: "Dan Goldwater" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) colormaps

hi tim,
while we've been on the subject of colormaps lately, i've got a fairly
minor feature-request which i think would be very appreciated by all.
specifically, i think it would be very handy if one could cycle through all
the color-maps in a particular directory with only one
keypress per cycle, instead of L-<arrow>-<enter>.  for example, i would
start map-cycling mode with a key, and then i could just hit <arrow> to
switch to the next map, over and over.  that way the image never leaves the
screen so its easier to compare maps.

thanks,
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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 01:12:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Paul Derbyshire)
Subject: Re: (fractint) colormaps

GREAT idea!

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Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 17:27:45 +1200
From: "Morgan L. Owens" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) New Colormaps

At 23:29 05/04/98 -0400, Gedeon Peteri wrote:
>Paul Derbyshire wrote:
>
>>
>> I say ditch the map format altogether, use par-interface for svaing and
>> loading maps in 20.0.
>
>Why ditch a format which provides some insight as to what is going on,
>through inspection in a text editor, and replace it with a string of
>unintelligible symbols as a sole record of colors?
>
I agree with Gedeon. It's a LOT easier to write programs to work with .map
files than .par files. How is the "colors=" string translate to a palette
anyway? It can be figured out, but it's not something one can take in at a
glance.

Would I be mistaken, however, in guessing that it's the structure of the
.par "colors=" string that restricts each of the RGB channels to 64
different levels instead of the full 256? I probably am.

Morgan


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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 23:06:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jiho Kim <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) maps and pars and other stuff

I'm sure this question will be trivialty for most of you, but as a
relatively new person to Fractint, please excuse it.

Is there a way to get to other drives in your machine once you begin
Fractint?

Many apologies for ignorance,

Jiho


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Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 02:25:46 -0500
From: Felix <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Photoshop 4.0 free

Wizzle wrote:

> Is Photoshop strictly a bitmap graphics program? And I think it retails for
> about $500. I have Corel Draw 7 which has both a bitmap editor and a vector
> graphics program as well as 3D (a lot for the $225 I paid).

    I have both Photoshop and CorelDraw (as payment for two web pages I did) and
use both daily.  They fill two (mostly) separate niches.  For fractal (basically
photo) editing, Corel is nice, but  cannot compare to Photoshop's advanced
features.  IMHO Photoshop is well worth it's high price, and Adobe also gives
educational discounts.  Alternately, if you are on a small budget, PaintShop Pro
is a lot more useful then i'ts price would indicate, and older versions of
CorelDraw can sometimes be found in bargain bins...
    Furthermore, I'm sure no one in the Unix world has overlooked the Gimp.


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Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 02:33:48 -0500
From: Felix <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Long calculation times...

Rich Thomson wrote:

> Sorry to burst your bubble, but multitasking predates unix....

and Shauna Jones wrote:

> Sorry - UNIX was a derivative of earlier mainframe-based
> multitasking OSes. Multics is a name that comes to mind,
> but I'm sure someone who knows computer history better
> than I do will chime in to correct me! <G>

Arrrrhgggghh! I hate it when I do that!You're right of course.  Maybe I'll start
reading my messages more carefully before I click "send."

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Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 04:03:26 EDT
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Subject: (fractint) Matrox problems...

    No! Stop! Don't buy the Matrox Millenium II just yet! Sorry,
Angela, I
could have spoken sooner, but I didn't want to bother the list with a
problem
like this.
    I've just moved into a lab here with 2 brand new, identical
awesome
computers, 300 MHz, 21" NEC monitors, Matrox Millenium II videocard with
8 MB, etc, etc... AND... The damn things won't run fractint at anything
over
(I think) SF3, (a pathetic and unusably low res videomode.) I've tried
downloading
the latest drivers from Matrox, but it made no difference. Now, this may
be a
Windows NT's fault, it's more than likely, so I don't want to warn you
off of
Matrox, Wizzle, I just wanted to alert you to a potential problem. It's
probably
fine with Win95. (Stick with it, you're right!)

    But what should I do? Any ideas? I didn't want to ask such an
annoying
question as "help, I can't get fractint to run..."     Does anyone
out there use
fractint on NT successfully (must be, right?) I guess the important
question
is, has anyone ever had this kind of problem and figured out a way around
it?
    I drool for the raw speed and ultra deep fractals that I hope
lie ahead. I want SF9!!

Thanks for the help.
(And enjoy your new computer, Wizzle!)

Jonathan Wolfe, Ph.D
SkyDyes
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Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 02:44:08 PDT
From: "Paul Derbyshire" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) maps and pars and other stuff

For no good reason whatsoever they won't show up in the file lists. But
you cantype them manually in the speed key area. Type "D:\" and hit
enter to change to the root of drive D, etc.
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