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fractint-digest        Tuesday, January 6 1998        Volume 01 : Number 062




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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 08:15:45 -0000
From: Peter Moreland <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) The dreaded aaaaaa's again :(

Back in the "(fractint) text editor" there was various discussion on how to
rid text files of the dreaded accented 'a'.

One suggestion was to download PFE, Which I did...

Having copied par text from outlook, pasted it into PFE saves out as a *.par
file.... it still has the a's when read by fractint!


Am I missing something with PFE, could whoever suggested (don't have the
posting anymore) PFE help me out.

Thanks Peter


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Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 02:32:50 -0600
From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Let the Judging and voting begin...

Jay Hill wrote:
>
> One last shot.  Then silence....
> Here is the post signaling the end of voting, about
> one hour after GS posted at 12/05/97 22:55.
> I uploaded the zip files 14 minutes later.
>

I looked at the time of my Contest.zip file, it was downloaded on
12/05/97 at 20:18:00 CST.  But, if you had to put in others besides the
GS posting, why does mine contain all but that one PAR???

I know I must have grabbed the zip file early by a few hours, that's the
only explanation.

Anyway, I was also looking back on how the contest got started and found
this posting that was 14 hours before Nuke's:

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        Hello Fractal World !

> An interesting experiment would be to post a mundane formula
> and have the readers of this list plug it into Fractint, work with
> it in their normal fashion and then post the results.

        I agree. Why not use the famous 'Tim's_random'
        formula recently posted here ?

        Thierry         (Toulouse, France)



        Thierry.

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But I can't find any reference to where Thierry got his quoted text
from.  I looked back through about a month's worth of email without
finding the original.

Later,
P.N.L.

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Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 21:55:20 +1300
From: "Morgan L. Owens" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) The dreaded aaaaaa's again :(

At 08:15 06/01/98 -0000, Peter Moreland wrote:
>Back in the "(fractint) text editor" there was various discussion on how to
>rid text files of the dreaded accented 'a'.
>
>One suggestion was to download PFE, Which I did...
>
>Having copied par text from outlook, pasted it into PFE saves out as a *.par
>file.... it still has the a's when read by fractint!
>
>Am I missing something with PFE, could whoever suggested (don't have the
>posting anymore) PFE help me out.
>
You don't mention it: did you do any editing (a global search-&-replace,
perhaps?)

If you already have it saved as a par file, just drag the file's icon to
the PFE icon on your desktop (it's not there? For shame!). Bang: instant
opening! I like this!

tsunami            { ; Why does it have to happen in the middle of the night?
  reset=1950 type=barnsleyj3 passes=t center-mag=-0.269564/0.248257/5
  params=0.4/0 float=y maxiter=256 inside=255 colors=@blues.map
  }


Yes, PFE: the emacs of Windows!
    A PFE user and proud of it,
        Morgan L. Owens




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Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 03:44:40 -0600
From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) terrible oversight

Jay Hill wrote:
>
> So if there are any other remarks...please write.
>
> Also, I would like to quote a few of the early postings by
> Nuke and a few others which were the spark to start the
> contest.  Any objections?
>

I think I found the original "spark", here's a portion of Jack Valero's
posting:

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...........(snipped stuff)............

If you peruse the many personal fractal galleries on the web, two
things become immediately apparent. Some fractal artists consistently
produce beautiful images while others are erratic. (I am not
speaking here of the simple personal likes or dislikes of the
viewer.) Also, despite the rather impersonal origins of the fractal
formula, a number of these artists have also developed their own
style which becomes recognizable with repeated viewings. It is not
that you can immediately identify the creator of a particular image.
Instead it is that, upon discovering the artist's identity, you think
"Yeah- that looks like something she'd do..." This certainly suggests
that there is more involved than cold calculation.

An interesting experiment would be to post a mundane formula
and have the readers of this list plug it into Fractint, work with
it in their normal fashion and then post the results. I predict that
each will be different but that many will be very similar- a strong
family resmblance, if you will. However, I also expect that some
will look so radically different that it would be difficult to
believe they share the same formula. In other words, art may be
calculating but it need not be mere calculation.

...........(snipped stuff)............
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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 12:20:03 +1
From: "J.P. Louvet" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Lost messages

Hi all and happy new year,

The workstation where my mailbox is lodged was down for several days.
Therefore majordomo has suppressed my name from the list of subscribers.
All the messages posted between 12/22 and 01/05 where lost. Can somebody
forward me these messages (one of you only !) ?
Thank you.

Jean-Pierre louvet : [e-mail]
Fractal album :
http://graffiti.cribx1.u-bordeaux.fr/MAPBX/louvet/jpl0.html

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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 06:54:13 EST
From: MAksoy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Happy New Year!

Beth wrote:
>Dick, you write about separating the pars and the frms, and putting them
>into appropriate directories. Please can you answer my question?
>I am new to Fractint, but really keen to try to create some fractals from
>the frms and pars other than the standard ones available in fractint. I
>havae so far copied frms into fractint itself, and pars into a subdirectory
>of fractint, but I have no idea how to pull them together to create an
>image. I can call up the frm file, and then get a screen asking for
>parameters. I don't know what to put into what box, and I thought there was
>some way of entering an entire par file into fractint, but so far I can't
>work it out. ANy words of wisdom will be much appreciated.
>Beth

Hi Beth,  I'm also new to Fractint (and new to this list :-) ), but do know
that Fractint can read any par file you copy into it:

From the main menu, click on "run saved command set <@>" under File (or just
press "@").  This will take you to a directory list of par files. Navigate to
the subdirectory containing your par file. Then select a given par entry in
that par file and Fractint will draw the fractal.

When you start by calling up a frm file, you must enter parameters.  This is a
matter of trial and error - experiment until you get an interesting looking
image.  Then you can save the parameter settings for this image as a par file
by pressing "b".

I hope this helps!,

Mark

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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 12:12:53 -0000
From: Peter Moreland <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) The dreaded aaaaaa's again :(

- -----Original Message-----
From: Morgan L. Owens <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: 06 January 1998 09:02
Subject: Re: (fractint) The dreaded aaaaaa's again :(


>At 08:15 06/01/98 -0000, Peter Moreland wrote:
>>Back in the "(fractint) text editor" there was various discussion on how
to
>>rid text files of the dreaded accented 'a'.
>>
>>One suggestion was to download PFE, Which I did...
>>
>>Having copied par text from outlook, pasted it into PFE saves out as a
*.par
>>file.... it still has the a's when read by fractint!
>>
>>Am I missing something with PFE, could whoever suggested (don't have the
>>posting anymore) PFE help me out.
>>
>You don't mention it: did you do any editing (a global search-&-replace,
>perhaps?)


<snip>

Well... You can't edit or search and replace the a's if you can't see them!
The whole point is that they are not visible in email or when pasted into
PFE.
They *are* visible when read by FractInt..

Peter




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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 00:08:18 +1100
From: Ben Leighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) beginnings

Hi Everyone,

            I have been reading the fractint mailing list (in digest form)
for a couple of days now and am going to perhaps nievely considering the
other work I have seen post my own par and formula file. Fractint IMHO is
one of the best programs I have ever used and the authors deserve much
credit especially considering they get no financial reward. The formula
below was created via a combination of luck and educated (well only to year
12 maths) guessing:

Copy following par entry to a par file:

tattered           { ;Copyright Ben Leighton 1998
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=ben.frm formulaname=c7manderiv
  function=sin/cos center-mag=-1.90913/1.38633/13.76667/1/-27.499
  float=y maxiter=300 periodicity=0
  colors=000e0eeL0eeeLLLLLzLzLLzzzLLzLzzzLzzz000555<3>HHHKKKOOOSSSWWW___cc\
  chhhmmmssszzz00z<3>z0z<3>z00<3>zz0<3>0z0<3>0zz<2>0GzVVz<3>zVz<3>zVV<3>zz\
  V<3>VzV<3>Vzz<2>Vbzhhz<3>zhz<3>zhh<3>zzh<3>hzh<3>hzz<2>hlz00S<3>S0S<3>S0\
  0<3>SS0<3>0S0<3>0SS<2>07SEES<3>SES<3>SEE<3>SSE<3>ESE<3>ESS<2>EHSKKS<2>QK\
  SSKSSKQSKOSKMSKK<2>SQKSSKQSKOSKMSKKSK<2>KSQKSSKQSKOSKMS00G<3>G0G<3>G00<3\
  >GG0<3>0G0<3>0GG<2>04G88G<2>E8GG8GG8EG8CG8AG88<2>GE8GG8EG8CG8AG88G8<2>8G\
  E8GG8EG8CG8AGBBG<2>FBGGBGGBFGBDGBCGBB<2>GFBGGBFGBDGBCGBBGB<2>BGFBGGBFGBD\
  GBCG000<6>00000e0e00eee00
  }


Copy following formula to ben.frm:

c7manderiv  {
;Copyright Ben Leighton 1998
;try sin(fn1) and cos (fn2)
q=pixel, a=1, b=flip(1), last = 0:
a=a+ fn1(imag(pixel)*10*(1/imag(q)))
b=b+ fn2(real(pixel)*10*(1/real(q)))
q=(q-a-b)^2 + pixel
(a+b) <= 300
}



                                                                        :) Ben


Ben Leighton, [e-mail]

        All my statements are questions?


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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 08:34:33 EST
From: T R Moe <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) terrible oversight

Sorry for the false alarm folks.  I guess the oversight was mine,
I'm relieved to find that the Graphics Specialist was indeed included.  I
guess I quit checking for additions a bit too soon. I sometimes forget that I
do't get all these postings in order.  I'll post a penitential .par in the
near future.

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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 08:39:38 EST
From: T R Moe <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) sexist fractals

Hi Jay - no it's not a bathing suit, it's a fractal!  Beyond that it's up to
you and your subconscious.  :-)  T

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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 08:40:22 EST
From: T R Moe <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) entering parameters

In a message dated 98-01-06 03:34:45 EST, you write:
<<  I can call up the frm file, and then get a screen asking for
 parameters. I don't know what to put into what box, and I thought there was
 some way of entering an entire par file into fractint, but so far I can't
 work it out. ANy words of wisdom will be much appreciated.
 Beth >>

Hi Beth - I believe you are mixing apples and oranges here, probably because
the word parameter gets a little overworked.  The parameters asked for in the
screen you get when you call up a formula refer to replacable values written
into the formula (some formulas have no replaceable parameters).  Put anything
in there.  Some things will work some will not. Those of us with limited math
skills just use trial and error here and save the results from the lucky
shots.

To enter a particular image's parameter file ( these are files where all the
above choices and more have already been made and the resulting image saved.)
you press the @(or 2) key whenever you have an image ( such as the mandelbrot)
on the screen.  This will present you with fractint's default fractint.par
collection of images.  Pressing F6 at this point will let choose from among
whatever other .par collections you have acquired.  You then open the desired
collection, select the desired image, and press "enter".

Another point that can lead to some confusion (I believe someone else may have
mentioned this) is that a .frm file may contain many individual .frm entries
and a .par file may contain many .par entries

I hope this helps.  Good Luck and many happy hours Fractaling.
                                                       Tom

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Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 14:01:39 -0300 (BST)
From: Jerry Fox <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Fractals on TV in Britain

Happy New Year to all!

Here in Britain we get a short series of science TV broadcasts every
Christmas - the Royal Institution Christmas Lectures, for young
people.  Last night, I just got round to watching my tape of the fourth
(out of five) of these, which was about Chaos.

The lecturer (yes, they are filmed as lectures in the RI Lecture
Theatre) was Prof Ian Stewart, and he mentioned Mandelbrot sets,
showed an animation of a Mandelbrot zoom, a Julia zoom and one other
similar that he didn't name.  He also talked about Barnsley, referred
to the Encarta IFS encoding, and tried to show how an IFS coding
system might work (not terribly well, I thought).

There was also a 'manual' demo followed by a computer run of
<somebody's> Ant, the one with rules [fwd 1][L or R according to
colour of square][invert previous square].  This was quite well done.

These lectures get quite a good audience I believe, and though he
didn't mention Fractint, the overall presentation was interesting and
hopefully would encourage some younger viewers to investigate
further.

Jerry Fox, Cwmbran, Wales

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Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 09:37:02 -0500
From: Jack Valero <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Happy New Year!

Beth,
At 10:06 PM 05/01/98 +1100, you wrote:
<snip>I
>havae so far copied frms into fractint itself, and pars into a subdirectory
>of fractint, but I have no idea how to pull them together to create an
>image.
I would also create a subdirectory for your frms and put them in
there.

>I can call up the frm file, and then get a screen asking for
>parameters. I don't know what to put into what box,...
Probably most of us don't know what to put in there. So we
just plug in different numbers, etc and see what happens-
often good things do. :) If the box needs a function rather
than a number just press the left or right arrow key to
cycle through the functions. I hope I understood your
question correctly.

>and I thought there was
>some way of entering an entire par file into fractint, but so far I can't
>work it out.
Press the 2 or SHIFT-@ key on the top row of your keyboard.
This will let you load pars into fractint.

When fractint runs a par that requires an external formula, fractint
looks wherever you stored your formulae and reads everything
there until it finds (or doesn't) the formula it needs. But if
you set up a par subdirectory as recommended, you have to tell
fractint you did this. You tell fractint by creating an
SSTOOLS.INI file. This is just a text file that fractint
will read when it starts up. My SSTOOLS.INI looks like
this:

[fractint]
TEMPDIR=c:\windows\temp
WORKDIR=c:\fractint
PARMFILE=c:\fractint\parms\jaxdev.par <--- a default par file (optional)
                                           the important part is
                                           c:\fractint\parms where I keep pars
MAP=c:\fractint\maps                  <--- where I keep colour maps
FORMULAFILE=c:\fractint\formula       <--- where I keep formulae
LFILE=c:\fractint\lsys                <--- where I keep L-System files
IFSFILE=c:\fractint\ifs               <--- where I keep IFS files
SAVENAME=c:\data\fractint             <--- my default save location for gifs
FLOAT=yes                             <--- turn on floating point
TEXTSAFE=save                         <--- video card related
VIDEO=SF5                             <--- my default screen resolution
RECORDCOLORS=C                        <--- saves colour palette in gifs
                                      <--- the next few lines automatically
                                           insert information for me in
                                           any par files I create.
COMMENT=Title_goes_here/\
CalcTime_$calctime$_at_$xdots$x$ydots$_on_a_486DX-100/\
Image_Copyright_$month$_$day$_$year$_by_Jack_Valero/\
e-mail_to:[e-mail]

Of course, your SSTOOLS.INI should *not* include all my comments
that start with <--- and it should be in the same directory
as fractint.

All this information is included in the Fractint help but it
can be very difficult to find when you are just starting.
Fractint is great but not very friendly by today's standards.
It seems to be written by programmers for programmers.

I hope this helps.


Regards - Jack

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Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 09:37:05 -0500
From: Jack Valero <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Phractal update

At 09:53 PM 05/01/98 -0600, Paul wrote:
>How many years between the combo-photos of jm.gif and the photo of
>mj.jpg???   ;-}
Not sure. We were thinking of buying a plane but decided on
a sailboat instead. So that makes JM about 10 years old. MJ is
perhaps 5 years old. Even though M and I are former
photographers we have almost no pix of each other. I used
what we had because a member of this list (who shall remain
nameless) insisted that we must have pictures of ourselves
displayed. Her contention was that only females did this
because men lacked the courage :)

At any rate, M and I are both grayer now. M went first but
I only turned gray because I thought it was the polite thing
to do. We just got a digital camera (still not used though)
so some-day-real-soon-now we'll display more recent
photos. I think you will find our pages will then become
more, shall we say, mature... I'm 50 and M has her usual
10% up on me.

>After a few webpages, I cheated and just looked at the images from your
>root directory:
Repeat after me- baaaaddddd boy... baaaadddd boy...

>Didn't notice anything unusual in appearance,
Good

>just a few minor text related items (grammar and spelling).
Damn I hate those! I checked and only found a couple
but then that's the nature of personal error. And to
think, I used to get paid to write. Good thing that's
over :)

> Also, the "Top of Page" link on
>the bottom of http://www.globalserve.net/~jval/isitart.htm was not
>displaying (you had the color set as white on a white background).
Whoops! Somehow it got moved into the wrong table- I wonder
who could have done that?  :) Thanks Paul. I moved it back
into the black where it belongs.

>couple of other little things, but the look and feel of the website is
>nice!!
Thank you for the help and words.
Regards - Jack

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Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 09:37:04 -0500
From: Jack Valero <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) terrible oversight

At 03:44 AM 06/01/98 -0600, Paul wrote:
<snip>
>I think I found the original "spark", here's a portion of Jack Valero's
>posting:
<snip>
>An interesting experiment would be to post a mundane formula
>and have the readers of this list plug it into Fractint, work with
>it in their normal fashion and then post the results. I predict that
>each will be different but that many will be very similar- a strong
>family resmblance, if you will. However, I also expect that some
>will look so radically different that it would be difficult to
>believe they share the same formula. In other words, art may be
>calculating but it need not be mere calculation.

Yep. That was the start. So how would you judge my predictions?

I went on to set up my But is it Art page and Name the Artist
pages but the responses to them have been pretty minimal. Not
enough interest I suppose... sigh. I think they will be the
last of my group experiments. Too bad really because I have some
interesting questions I would like to have explored that would
help us determine just what "fractal art" might or could be. But
without a large enough participation sample there is no useful
information, just data.
Regards - Jack

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Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 07:23:35 -0800
From: Wizzle <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Zipping

Michelle....

I did find a good freebie zipp program....thanks. But now I'm missing a
win95 systems file called oleaut32.dll.  Could someone send that file to

[e-mail]

Thannks....my netscape won't work without it...<<sigh>>

Angela

At 12:29 AM 1/6/98 EST, you wrote:
>Angela:My name is Michelle,and yes,I admit it,I am a NEWBIE.i only recenly
got
>fractint and I'm still learning how it works.I did ,however, catch your
>message about needing a zipping program for windows 95.I have the 6.3
>shareware version of winzip on disk if you still need it.it's really easy to
>work with, and I can e-mail you and attatch the program to that.I am at
>[e-mail]    (let me know if you want the program)  thanks for not
making
>fun of my Newbie-ness.Hey-we all gotta start somewhere,eh?
>
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Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 10:25:18 -0500
From: Jack Valero <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re: Wizzle Phractal comment

At 07:09 PM 05/01/98 -0800, Angela wrote:
>I'm really glad the images are larger,
>though...it was my one concern.
A lot of people felt the same so...

>I just adore all your comments....don't
>EVER change that approach.
Sometimes I'm not sure if the comments exist for the
fractals or the fractals are for the comments. For
me the two are bonded.

>I'm envious of all your html tricks but too lazy
>to learn how to do them
I don't think I actually use any tricks- just try for
decent layout. Whenever I do try to get tricky I
usually mess up :(

<snip>Glad you haven't succombed to the temptation to
>add those 2@#$%@!!! things to your website.
Yes. I hate flash just for the sake of flash. I actually
recorded my voice to give people an audio welcome when
they arrived at the pages. Then I looked at the size of
the file and thought Whoa... I'm going to ask people to
wait 40 seconds just to hear my dulcent tones?
Instant recycle bin fodder!

Thanks once again for the kind comments.

Regards - Jack

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Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 07:40:41 -0800
From: Wizzle <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) terrible oversight

><snip>
>
>Yep. That was the start. So how would you judge my predictions?
>
>I went on to set up my But is it Art page and Name the Artist
>pages but the responses to them have been pretty minimal. Not
>enough interest I suppose... sigh. I think they will be the
>last of my group experiments. Too bad really because I have some
>interesting questions I would like to have explored that would
>help us determine just what "fractal art" might or could be. But
>without a large enough participation sample there is no useful
>information, just data.
>Regards - Jack


Jack....

I enjoyed the Name the Artist pages......no reason not to leave them up for
a while if you have the space.

For our next contest....someone ought to write a  little program that
allows the computer to randomly generate fractals and apply colors.....say
for a couple of days.....and save them.....and also "selects" 3 images to
submit to the contest. Part of the fun could be guessing "who" the computer
is....what do you think??? If most of us guess right....I think that would
be very indicative that fractals are more than just math.  BTW...my
computer scientist son was babbling about a mathematical proof that
computers are limited....can't remember quite how...but we were discussing
the fractal art conundrum.

Angela

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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 09:32:17 -0800
From: "Jay Hill" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Tom and Jack, was Re: (fractint) sexist fractals

T,

>Sorry for the false alarm folks.  I guess the oversight
>was mine, I'm relieved to find that the Graphics Specialist
>was indeed included.

You could send in a vote correction - but I doubt it would
change anything :-)


> Subject: Re: (fractint) sexist fractals

> Hi Jay - no it's not a bathing suit, it's a fractal!  Beyond that it's up to
> you and your subconscious.  :-)  T

My teen age son saw a Star Trek monster.
Jay


 Jack wrote:
>I went on to set up my But is it Art page and Name the Artist
>pages but the responses to them have been pretty minimal. Not
>enough interest I suppose... sigh.

You have to let some time flow here, time scales are at least a
month even when we rush things as we did in the contest!




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Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 09:54:21 -0800
From: Mark Christenson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Computer (as) Artist

At 07:40 AM 1/6/98 -0800, Angela wrote:
>...
>For our next contest....someone ought to write a  little program that
>allows the computer to randomly generate fractals and apply colors.....say
>for a couple of days.....and save them.....and also "selects" 3 images to
>submit to the contest.
...
>...my
>computer scientist son was babbling about a mathematical proof that
>computers are limited....can't remember quite how...but we were discussing
>the fractal art conundrum.

Now, the rookie speaks:

I think you've opened up a tasty can of worms, and let me be one of
the first to gobble a few...

Although I am not a degreed CS type (I have a physics BS), I have
my own take on the topic.

Computers are limited, as are we humans, by their wiring and
programming.  Digital computers are designed for crunching numbers.
Making them do more requires analog interfaces to the outside world
(i.e. video (cards, monitors, cameras, scanners), audio (cards (as
always), mic's, speakers), tactile (keyboards, mice)) analogous to our
senses (of course, systems to replicate taste and smell also exist, but
most of us have no reason to provide our computer with those capabilities).
Our brains, on the other hand, have been designed by billions of years of
biological evolution to drive a number of complex behaviors necessary
for survival, and our sense of aesthetics has been affected by *at least*
ten thousand years of cultural evolution.

In spite of computers' limitations, they really lack only two layers of
capability: 1) a neural net to replicate retinal and visual cortex circuitry,
and 2) software to develop, categorize, store, access, and update style
and preference data.  Similar efforts to optimize computing for specific
tasks have proven successful to various degrees (i.e. "Deep Blue"
(chess), the CAM projects (Cellular Automata Machine), Digital Orreries
(high-precision, high speed orbit propagators), optical target tracking,
prime number crackers, and walking robots with controls based on insect
nervous systems), and I suspect the same could be done for fractal art.
The problem is that to do it right would take big bucks and mental effort
worthy of a PhD (or several).

For now, I suspect you would be disappointed with the results of a
"pure" computer generated effort (on the other hand, some of you
might be able to blow our socks off; life is full of surprises!).  However,
allowing human intervention at one or more points in the process could
make the contest a whole lot more do-able.  These might include:

1) Provide, in addition to Fractint's default random palette capability,
 a dozen or so favorite palettes to select from.

2) Leave selection of the final submissions to a person.  What computers
 lack in creativity they make up for in their ability to tirelessly crank out
 variations.

Anyway, it's an interesting idea!


Hope I didn't bore y'all, Bud


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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 13:03:56 -0500 (EST)
From: Ian Kaplan <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Computer (as) Artist

> At 07:40 AM 1/6/98 -0800, Angela wrote:

> >...my
> >computer scientist son was babbling about a mathematical proof that
> >computers are limited....can't remember quite how...but we were discussing
> >the fractal art conundrum.

   It is provable that the problem-solving ability, meaning the ability
to answer a given question, of any computer is equivalent to that of what
is called a Turing machine. It is fairly easy to also prove that there
are problems which, despite having quite definite solutions, cannot be
solved by a Turing machine and thus any computer. This, and related
discoveries of early-twentieth-century mathematics like Godel's theorem,
are probably what your son is referring to... Note that from a scientific
standpoint, the term "computer" as used here includes a computer like the
human brain.
   Note also that the determination of what problems are and are not
solvable is often a tricky task that people spend whole careers on...


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Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 13:53:41 -0500
From: Jack Valero <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Happy New Year!

Beth,
At 09:37 AM 06/01/98 -0500, Jack wrote:
>RECORDCOLORS=C                        <--- saves colour palette in gifs

If this doesn't make any sense to you it might be because I
meant to say "saves colour palette colours in pars".
Sorry.

Regards - Jack

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