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fractint Digest        Monday, October 13 1997        Volume 01 : Number 029



In this issue:

    Re: (fractint) Remove Int math ?
    (fractint) Long awaited New Nuke Fractal (absolutely Free!)
    Re: (fractint) Remove Int math ?
    Re: (fractint) And now the PAR you've all been WAITING FOR!
    Re: (fractint) Integer v. float
    Re: (fractint) And now the PAR you've all been WAITING FOR!
    (fractint) Subject is irrelevant - you will be assimilated!
    Re: (fractint) Subject is irrelevant - you will be assimilated!
    Re: (fractint) Subject is irrelevant - you will be assimilated!
    (fractint) Why not Java?
    Re: (fractint) Why not Java?
    Re: (fractint) Subject is irrelevant - you will be assimilated!
    Re: (fractint) Why not Java?
    (fractint) old user, new problem
    Re: (fractint) Why not Java?
    Re: (fractint) Why not Java?
    Re: (fractint) Why not Java? (Paul's response)
    Re: (fractint) old user, new problem

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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 09:08:47 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (fractint) Remove Int math ?

Hey Sylvie,
I tried to run "rand_generic" and got an "undefined function" error
indicating that "3D" was unefined. What did I do wrong?


"...God is in the details..." Linus C. Pauling

Nuke

On Fri, 10 Oct 1997 14:00:54 -0400 Sylvie Gallet
<[e-mail]> writes:

>>>  frm:rand_generic {  ; ****   PARAMETER 1 MUST BE > 0   ****
>>>                ; Thierry Boudet 101355.2112ompuserve.com
>>>                ; 19 Juillet 1997
>>>                z =3D rand:
>>>                z =3D fn1(z) + fn2(pixel);
>>>                |z| <=3D real(p1)
>>>                }

>  The following formula works with float=3Dyes:
>
>frm:rand_generic {  ; ****   PARAMETER 1 MUST BE > 0   ****
>                ; Thierry Boudet 101355.2112ompuserve.com
>                ; 19 Juillet 1997
>                z =3D srand(z):
>                z =3D fn1(z) + fn2(pixel);
>                |z| <=3D real(p1)
>                }
>
>  Cheers,
>
>        - Sylvie

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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 09:08:15 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (fractint) Long awaited New Nuke Fractal (absolutely Free!)

Here is another (:|) Free M.L. Newsted Jr. Fractal!
Any comments?

SnakeHead (xaxis) { ; M.L. Newsted Jr.
    z = 0
    c = pixel:

    z = sqrt(z) / sqrt(c) + c
    |z| < 4
    }

I like to ask another set of simple questions:
Am I right in assuming the following about the operation of "snakehead":
z= 0 sets the value of z to (0,0) or (0 + 0i)
then c = equals pixel sets the value of c to the x,y coordinate of the
upper left corner of my screen where x and y form the  values for the
real and imaginary parts of c (516,359) for a setting of 1024X768.
Then, It takes the square root of z (which would be 0) divides by the
square root of c (which gives it zero) and then adds c to it which then
makes z = (516, 359)

Now, then does fractint start over at the top with z=(516,359) and
c=(515,359) or am I totally off base?
And if that is right, why do I not get a "divide by zero" error? Or is
that allowed in Fractint?
I've read the first half of the frm.tut that came with fractint and I
think I'm on the right track, but any help would be appreciated.


I know it's not very chaotic (deep zooming is uneventful) but I though it
had a rather interesting shape.
Happy Fractaling,

"...God is in the details..." Linus C. Pauling

Nuke

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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 10:14:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: A M Kelley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Remove Int math ?

Nuke...go through that frm you got from Sylvie and take out all the 3D's,
which are artifacts of the Juno mail reader and aren't supposed to be
there. Leave the equal signs. --Alice



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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 10:07:54 -0500
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Subject: Re: (fractint) And now the PAR you've all been WAITING FOR!

Hey Paul!
I tried your frm and par files. Really cool! Some were really slow too.

PrecognaM (XAXIS) {
  ; p1 is Julia parameter.
  z=0,p=0,c=pixel:
  t=sqr(p)*p+sqr(z)+c
  p=z
  z=t,
  lastsqr<=2048
}

I have a similar .frm

FatHeart (xaxis) { ; M.L. Newsted Jr.
    z = pixel / (pixel-1)
    c = pixel:

    z = z*z + c
    |z| < 4
    }
Which seems to have a more detailed result.
And could you explain lastsqr<=2048? Is that some sort of bailout?
AAANNNDD, where did you get the gold/purpley .map?
Did you write it? Or did you just keep cycling the colors with <enter>
until you found something you liked and saved it as a .map?
I have thought about trying to write a custom .map but it seem so
tedious!


"...God is in the details..." Linus C. Pauling

Nuke

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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 12:43:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Ian J Kaplan)
Subject: Re: (fractint) Integer v. float

   Clearly we can sit here for a long, long time arguing about what
compination if int and FPU instructions is fastest on what chip. But
unless someone is prepared to reoptimize fractint for every new processor
released, it hardly matters. The question is: is there ever a situation
where int math is MUCH faster? if not, the portability and generic-ness
of floating-point math gives it an awfully big overall advantage: we can
take the code, stick it into optimizing compiler X on system Y, compile,
and have a reasonable approximation of the fastest we can get it on the
system. And if someone wants to rewrite that for a specific machine,
they're welcome to, but no one HAS to in order to be able to run fractint
on that machine.


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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 18:04:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Paul Derbyshire)
Subject: Re: (fractint) And now the PAR you've all been WAITING FOR!

>
>Hey Paul!
>I tried your frm and par files. Really cool! Some were really slow too.

Heh. the best ones usually are. :-)

>I have a similar .frm
>
>FatHeart (xaxis) { ; M.L. Newsted Jr.
>    z = pixel / (pixel-1)
>    c = pixel:
>
>    z = z*z + c
>    |z| < 4
>    }
>Which seems to have a more detailed result.

Funky...

>And could you explain lastsqr<=2048? Is that some sort of bailout?

yup.

>AAANNNDD, where did you get the gold/purpley .map?
>Did you write it? Or did you just keep cycling the colors with <enter>
>until you found something you liked and saved it as a .map?

I wrote it... :)

>I have thought about trying to write a custom .map but it seem so
>tedious!

hmm. You'll get the hang of it...

>

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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 09:21:30 -0400
From: "Robin Y. Millette" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Subject is irrelevant - you will be assimilated!

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Talk about new ways to make friends :)

When I first suscribed to this mailing list, I never expected so much =
mail! I was wondering: is there was a specific mailing list for =
developpers?

Three little questions...
    I'm using Fractint 19.6 in a dos box (4dos, actually :) thru Windows =
95... When I open a dos box, I find out I have 617k of conventionnal =
memory left (not bad I think...). So here is my terrible question: why =
can't I shell to Dos from Fractint? Wherever I am, (menu or image...), I =
hit 'D' but I end up calculating the current image...

    Secondly: fractint makedoc[=3Dfilename]... I've tested with =
filename=3Dcon, and as expected, the doc scroll quickly on my display... =
Shouldn't a 'more' pipe give me screen by screen? Actually, I am using =
List 9.1m (Vernon Buerg) with the '/s' option, which should do exactly =
the same thing...

    Lastly: what's the deal with "True Color" modes??? I've got a normal =
SVGA card... (Cirrus 5434 if you insist, with 1 little meg...)

Any clarifications would be greatly appreciated! (btw, I know I can just =
as well (even preferably) open a new Dos box instead of shelling from =
Fractint... but why isn't it working?

My 0.02$ about ints/floats/32bit... although it pretty much has been =
said allready: while there is no significant advantage to support ints =
any longer, it might become important again in the future... so simply =
backup that code for now. 32 bit? Is that really a question?

That it for now...

CIAO!

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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 23:17:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Paul Derbyshire)
Subject: Re: (fractint) Subject is irrelevant - you will be assimilated!

>Talk about new ways to make friends :)
>
>When I first suscribed to this mailing list, I never expected so much =
>mail! I was wondering: is there was a specific mailing list for =
>developpers?

Dunno. Why do you end every line with "="?

>Three little questions...
>    I'm using Fractint 19.6 in a dos box (4dos, actually :) thru Windows =
>95... When I open a dos box, I find out I have 617k of conventionnal =
>memory left (not bad I think...). So here is my terrible question: why =
>can't I shell to Dos from Fractint? Wherever I am, (menu or image...), I =
>hit 'D' but I end up calculating the current image...

It does this to me too in Win 95 on my 486dx2 50 with 8 megs ram. It
doesn't on my *new P166 with 32 megs RAM ;) ;) ;)*... so it has something
to do with ram/speed.


[Smallish binary snipped]

I think it's poor netiquette(?) to post binaries here... PAR files and
formulas are welcome though.

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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 23:00:37 -0500
From: "Justin A. Kolodziej" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Subject is irrelevant - you will be assimilated!

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> I think it's poor netiquette(?) to post binaries here... PAR files and
> formulas are welcome though.

Probably, especially when some users (yours truly, to be exact) can't even open
the darn thing... Netscape can't find a plugin that supports this file. What do I
do, and is it even worth opening?

Justin K.

"I only use Windows because:
1.  Solaris isn't available for a PC :(
2.  I can't afford a Sun and I'd have to buy a server AND a workstation (I think)
:( :*( :^(
3.  When's the last time YOU saw an X-Windows app in your local software store?!
;)"
- -Me

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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>I think it's poor netiquette(?) to post binaries
here... PAR files and
<BR>formulas are welcome though.</BLOCKQUOTE>
Probably, especially when some users (yours truly, to be exact) can't even
open the darn thing... Netscape can't find a plugin that supports this
file. What do I do, and is it even worth opening?

<P>Justin K.

<P>"I only use Windows because:
<BR>1.  Solaris isn't available for a PC :(
<BR>2.  I can't afford a Sun and I'd have to buy a server AND a workstation
(I think) :( :*( :^(
<BR>3.  When's the last time YOU saw an X-Windows app in your local
software store?! ;)"
<BR>-Me

<P> Justin Kolodziej is <A HREF="mailto:[e-mail]">[e-mail]</A></HTML>

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Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 23:36:32 -0500
From: "Justin A. Kolodziej" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Why not Java?

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In the Integer v. Float thread, the suggestion was made to compile
Fractint in the future using DJGPP.  This would produce a 32-bit DOS
application AND have the advantage of being easily portable to other
systems, assuming I remember the discussion correctly.

My response is:  Sure, go ahead with it for now.  But for a future
release (Fractint 50 or thereabouts ;) )  why not rewrite the whole
program in Java?  This would make the program universally useable (even
on Macintosh(probably)).

Now before everyone goes complaining about how Java only works in a
browser, Let me set the record straight about Java:  Java CAN be used to
create normal stand-alone applications.  Doing this is explained in the
docs you get when you download the Java Development Kit from Sun (YES,
JAVA IS FREE! 8) You only have to pay if you want a development
environment.)  Look through the tutorial thaat is available, they
explain it to you.

Java even has arbitrary precision types built in (again, look through
the docs -- this time under the predefined classes descriptions) which
is seriously kewl.

There may only be a few problems with Java applications:
1. Speed.  Java is probably SLOW due to it still being an interpreted
language.  Then again, there is the JIT (Just-in-Time) compiler, but I
don't know if it has any relevancy to applications.

2.  I don't know if plotting points to the screen works the same way in
an applet as in an application.  I can't really find out either, because
all the Java Mandelbrot programs I've seen are applets, not
applications.  If not, you could always use a native class (a reference
to some C++ code or any other programming language code) to do it.

Anyway, I should probably quit now, as it's getting late, and I have
class at 8:00 tomorrow.  I'm sure you guys will be able to figure it all
out by the 50th release ;).

Justin K.

"I only use Windows because:
1.  Solaris isn't available for a PC :(
2.  I can't afford a Sun and I'd have to buy a server AND a workstation
(I think) :( :*( :^(
3.  When's the last time YOU saw an X-Windows app in your local software
store?! ;)"
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<HTML>
In the Integer v. Float thread, the suggestion was made to compile Fractint
in the future using DJGPP.  This would produce a 32-bit DOS application
AND have the advantage of being easily portable to other systems, assuming
I remember the discussion correctly.

<P>My response is:  Sure, go ahead with it for now.  But for
a future release (Fractint 50 or thereabouts ;) )  why not rewrite
the whole program in Java?  This would make the program universally
useable (even on Macintosh(probably)).

<P>Now before everyone goes complaining about how Java only works in a
browser, Let me set the record straight about Java:  Java CAN be used
to create normal stand-alone applications.  Doing this is explained
in the docs you get when you download the Java Development Kit from Sun
(YES, JAVA IS FREE! 8) You only have to pay if you want a development environment.)
Look through the tutorial thaat is available, they explain it to you.

<P>Java even has arbitrary precision types built in (again, look through
the docs -- this time under the predefined classes descriptions) which
is seriously kewl.

<P>There may only be a few problems with Java applications:
<BR>1. Speed.  Java is probably SLOW due to it still being an interpreted
language.  Then again, there is the JIT (Just-in-Time) compiler, but
I don't know if it has any relevancy to applications.

<P>2.  I don't know if plotting points to the screen works the same
way in an applet as in an application.  I can't really find out either,
because all the Java Mandelbrot programs I've seen are applets, not applications.
If not, you could always use a native class (a reference to some C++ code
or any other programming language code) to do it.

<P>Anyway, I should probably quit now, as it's getting late, and I have
class at 8:00 tomorrow.  I'm sure you guys will be able to figure
it all out by the 50th release ;).

<P>Justin K.

<P>"I only use Windows because:
<BR>1.  Solaris isn't available for a PC :(
<BR>2.  I can't afford a Sun and I'd have to buy a server AND a workstation
(I think) :( :*( :^(
<BR>3.  When's the last time YOU saw an X-Windows app in your local
software store?! ;)"
<BR>-Me

<P> Justin Kolodziej is  <A HREF="mailto:[e-mail]">[e-mail]</A>
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 00:50:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Paul Derbyshire)
Subject: Re: (fractint) Why not Java?

>My response is:  Sure, go ahead with it for now.  But for a future
>release (Fractint 50 or thereabouts ;) )  why not rewrite the whole
>program in Java?  This would make the program universally useable (even
>on Macintosh(probably)).

Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt. Do a web search and there are
ten trillion fractal applets. And they are all slow, balky, GPF'y, buggy,
and tend to have few features.

>Now before everyone goes complaining about how Java only works in a
>browser, Let me set the record straight about Java:  Java CAN be used to
>create normal stand-alone applications.  Doing this is explained in the
>docs you get when you download the Java Development Kit from Sun (YES,
>JAVA IS FREE! 8) You only have to pay if you want a development
>environment.)  Look through the tutorial thaat is available, they
>explain it to you.

Development kit...? free? got a URL? Maybe there is a way to make applets
that *work*, then I can make some for my web site. :-)

>Java even has arbitrary precision types built in (again, look through
>the docs -- this time under the predefined classes descriptions) which
>is seriously kewl.

Special pentium optimized assembly routines for special cases, like
complex square, cube, log, cosine?


Also, what is Java exactly? Sounds like a C++-type OOP language... how
does it work precisely? you hear hype about it but very little real info.

BTW I got two copies of this fused together into one message...anyone else
get this?


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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 07:31:54 -0400
From: "Brock Kevin Nambo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Subject is irrelevant - you will be assimilated!

From: Justin A. Kolodziej <[e-mail]>
**
<<<<I think it's poor netiquette(?) to post binaries here... PAR files and
formulas are welcome though.>>
Probably, especially when some users (yours truly, to be exact) can't even
open the darn thing... Netscape can't find a plugin that supports this file.
What do I do, and is it even worth opening? >>
**

I don't know if this has to do with my mail/newsreader (Outlook Express) but
I didn't get any file attached to the original message...  So I looked under
properties and found the original source of the message, and sure enough
there was a bunch of gibberish application/ms-tnef.  I went and looked it up
with AltaVista, and got this:

(from http://www.washington.edu/pine/pine-info/97.01/msg00349.html)
This MS-TNEF attachment is created by Microsoft Exchange, the e-mail
program which comes with Windows 95.  It contains formatting information
only and no content so you can safely ignore this attachment in mail you
receive.

So I know why OE didn't pick it up... I hope my messages don't do that !

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 07:49:17 -0400
From: "Brock Kevin Nambo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Why not Java?

- -----Original Message-----
From: Paul Derbyshire <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Monday, October 13, 1997 12:53 AM
Subject: Re: (fractint) Why not Java?


>>My response is:  Sure, go ahead with it for now.  But for a future
>>release (Fractint 50 or thereabouts ;) )  why not rewrite the whole
>>program in Java?  This would make the program universally useable (even
>>on Macintosh(probably)).

I don't think I would recommend the Java version of Fractint, especially
since uh,.. Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but last I checked, Java didn't
enjoy the writing of files... and with our dependence on PAR's and FRM's,
this could be a problem. But I don't know if there is or isn't a way to do
that though; my tutorial's broad, sweeping statements said Java's security
wouldn't allow it, but someone less by-the-book might. ;)

>>Now before everyone goes complaining about how Java only works in a
>>browser, Let me set the record straight about Java:  Java CAN be used to
>>create normal stand-alone applications.  Doing this is explained in the
>>docs you get when you download the Java Development Kit from Sun (YES,
>>JAVA IS FREE! 8) You only have to pay if you want a development
>>environment.)  Look through the tutorial thaat is available, they
>>explain it to you.

The Java docs were confusing to me; when you say "stand-alone applications"
do you mean like a self-contained program, that doesn't need the java
runtime? (or whatever that word is...)

>Development kit...? free? got a URL? Maybe there is a way to make applets
>that *work*, then I can make some for my web site. :-)


Java's home page is http://java.sun.com/
or http://java.sun.com/products/jdk/1.1/index.html
for the download of the JDK..

>Also, what is Java exactly? Sounds like a C++-type OOP language... how
>does it work precisely? you hear hype about it but very little real info.

Java is a programming language, which, which is not supported by any
computer.  The reasoning behind this (kinda fuzzy, yes) is that since it's
not native to any computer, they can get any computer to run it, via an
emulator called the Java "Virtual Machine."  This is a similar concept to a
language I'm trying to learn (Inform) except Java is much more
graphic-oriented by virtue of being much younger.  Java makes two kinds of
programs: applets, which are designed to be used with HTML and web browsers;
and applications, which run from a Java interpreter compatible with your
system.

>BTW I got two copies of this fused together into one message...anyone else
>get this?


No, but I got -your- message dated about an hour before the original...

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 12:50:13 PDT
From: Nigel Long <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) old user, new problem

Hello to you all,

I am a newbie on this discussion group so please forgive any breaches of
netiquette or appropriateness.

I have been using Fractint since v8, on a succession of PCs. All went well until the
latest 'upgrade', when I lost my trusty Trident graphics card and acquired a
Diamond Stealth 2000 Pro . Now I cannot seem to find a decent mode to run Fractint
in! The VESA selections in Fractint.cfg do not work, and the Truecolor modes
produce nothing but a shade of dark blue. I can run using the b/w, and ultra.low res
modes - but I -really- like using 800x600 and 1024x768 modes.

Is there anybody out there in the fractal multiverse who has succeeded in
persuading Fractint 19.6 to do anything useful on this kind of hardware?

Yours, suffering withdrawal symptoms already,

Nigel Long
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 07:56:29 -0400
From: "Brock Kevin Nambo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Why not Java?

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To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Monday, October 13, 1997 7:50 AM
Subject: Re: (fractint) Why not Java?



>Java is a programming language, which, which is not supported by any
>computer.

Oops, grammar check!  I edited that sentence & forgot to reread it.  remove
", which,"


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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 09:11:56 -0500
From: "Justin A. Kolodziej" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Why not Java?

Brock Kevin Nambo wrote:

> <my original text snipped>
>
> I don't think I would recommend the Java version of Fractint, especially
> since uh,.. Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but last I checked, Java didn't
> enjoy the writing of files... and with our dependence on PAR's and FRM's,
> this could be a problem. But I don't know if there is or isn't a way to do
> that though; my tutorial's broad, sweeping statements said Java's security
> wouldn't allow it, but someone less by-the-book might. ;)
>

Oh yeah... forgot about that.  In that case, I'd say contact Sun and say that
because Java doesn't save and load anything, you're not going to use it and that
if they really want for Java to become the development platform of choice,
they'll have to include stuff like that.  Just imagine... a word processor where
you can't save! YUCK!  (That was probably off topic)  Anyway, you could probably
write native code to support that... wouldn't make Sun happy though, with there
"100% Pure Java" initiative and all.<more original snipped>

>
>
> The Java docs were confusing to me; when you say "stand-alone applications"
> do you mean like a self-contained program, that doesn't need the java
> runtime? (or whatever that word is...)
>

Sorry, should have clarified that.  YES, you would need the java runtime to run
FractJava(!).  You could put it in a .BAT file, though, with the following
command:java FractJava
or whatever you decide to call the main "class" of the program.
<extraneous stuff snipped>

> >BTW I got two copies of this fused together into one message...anyone else
> >get this?

Possibly because I included a link to my E-mail and Netscape gave me this
message that "some recipients can't handle HTML" or something like that.  Then
it gave me an option to send as both text and HTML, so I chose that.  You
probably received both formats.

Justin K.

"I only use Windows because:
1.  Solaris isn't available for a PC :(
2.  I can't afford a Sun and I'd have to buy a server AND a workstation (I
think) :( :*( :^(
3.  When's the last time YOU saw an X-Windows app in your local software store?!
;)"
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 09:27:52 -0500
From: "Justin A. Kolodziej" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Why not Java? (Paul's response)

> < my original comments snipped>
> Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt. Do a web search and there are
> ten trillion fractal applets. And they are all slow, balky, GPF'y, buggy,
> and tend to have few features.
>

I meant an application that doesn't require a Web browser.  I did a search for
that and found a grand total of zero before I lost my patience.  Besides, the ones
I tested didn't have any GFPs, and I actually found ONE with decent speed!

>
> >Java even has arbitrary precision types built in (again, look through
> >the docs -- this time under the predefined classes descriptions) which
> >is seriously kewl.
>
> Special pentium optimized assembly routines for special cases, like
> complex square, cube, log, cosine?

Probably not, but who knows?  I literally discovered all this yesterday (which
probably means I shouldn't tout Java TOO much... ;)  )  AND I only became
interested because I read about it in one of SunSoft's hundred books about Java
and how "revolutionary" it is.  Of course, the same book extols the virtues of the
NC (Network Computer), so I don't know how whether I should trust it as far as I
can throw it.(If that wasn't off topic, I don't know what is... except for list
administration issues :] )

Justin K.

"I only use Windows because:
1.  Solaris isn't available for a PC :(
2.  I can't afford a Sun and I'd have to buy a server AND a workstation (I
think) :( :*( :^(
3.  When's the last time YOU saw an X-Windows app in your local software store?!
;)"
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 09:43:18 -0500
From: "Justin A. Kolodziej" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) old user, new problem

Nigel Long wrote:

> Hello to you all,
>
> I am a newbie on this discussion group so please forgive any breaches of
> netiquette or appropriateness.
>
> I have been using Fractint since v8, on a succession of PCs. All went well until the
> latest 'upgrade', when I lost my trusty Trident graphics card and acquired a
> Diamond Stealth 2000 Pro . Now I cannot seem to find a decent mode to run Fractint
> in! The VESA selections in Fractint.cfg do not work, and the Truecolor modes
> produce nothing but a shade of dark blue. I can run using the b/w, and ultra.low res
> modes - but I -really- like using 800x600 and 1024x768 modes.
>
> Is there anybody out there in the fractal multiverse who has succeeded in
> persuading Fractint 19.6 to do anything useful on this kind of hardware?

This is very strange.  I have a Stealth 3D 2000 Pro (which, I take it, is the same as a
Stealth 2000 Pro) and it works perfectly with Fractint.  I can even get the 1600X1200
Stealth V mode to work.BTW, you're SUPPOSED to get dark blue in the truecolor modes, at
least for this release.  The programmers haven't fully implemented it yet, so you only
get the first 256 colors out of the full color range. There was a way to test the
truecolor mode, but  I forgot what to set debug= to to get it.
Anyway, I have to go to class now.  Sorry I can't help you much.

Justin K.

"I only use Windows because:
1.  Solaris isn't available for a PC :(
2.  I can't afford a Sun and I'd have to buy a server AND a workstation (I
think) :( :*( :^(
3.  When's the last time YOU saw an X-Windows app in your local software store?!
;)"
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