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From: John Lewis <jlewis@clara.net> Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 30-08-01 (Butterflies Coming [6]) Date: 31 Aug 2001 19:53:29 +0100 On Fri, 31 Aug 2001 09:57:15 -0500, Tim Lavoie wrote: On Fri, Aug= 31, 2001 at 09:47:49AM +0000, Andrew Coppin wrote: >>BTW, is *everyone* on this list from America? Is that why my= posts only ever get answered over night? >>Thanks. Andrew. "Here in Sunny Old England." >Well, I'm in Canada, but just lurk so far. >Tim, in also-sunny Winnipeg I also live in Old England. But having been caught twice to-day= without an umbrella, did the sensible thing and went home for it.= After that the sun came out. John -- John Lewis, jlewis@clara.net on 08/31/2001 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: (fractint) C-FOTD 01-09-01 (Room-102 [6]) Date: 01 Sep 2001 09:18:11 EDT Classic FOTD -- September 01, 2001 (Rating 6) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: We've all heard of room-101, the room in a hidden corner of the Ministry of Love, which holds the worst thing in the world. But how many have heard of room-102, which holds the best thing in the world? Like the contents of room-101, the contents of room-102 are different for each individual. Some might find a vision of the Deity. In my case, it might be the ability to visualize four- dimensional objects, (if such an ability is possible). Or it might be one of those mystical experiences that are reported to be so effective at solving the mystery of existence, but which so few experience. Or it might be a real live fractal. Today in room-102 we found a fractal -- the Mandelbrot set enlarged to many times the size of the visible universe. Of course, only an infinitesimal part of the entire set could fit into such a small room, so we found only a midget located near the tip of the negative stem. The midget is invisible however. It clearly lies at the center of the image, but several dozen more in-zooms would be necessary to reveal it, and then it would merely be a series of circles spoiled by moire patterns. Instead of going all the way to the midget, I stopped at the point where the number of converging elements resets from 64 to 8 before once again resuming its bifurcation. This bifurcation is a sign that the invisible midget belongs to the family of midgets of a larger midget rather than to the overall M-set itself. The unusual pattern, with its in-thrusting fingers, is caused by the closeness of the scene to the cut-off point of 2. To see how close it actually is, check the real value of the center coordinates. With a magnitude over 10^73, the image lies well into the range of arbitrary precision, and therefore requires almost 2 hours to render on my machine. It can be seen faster by downloading the 6-rated image from the internet at: <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html> or: <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html> but first give Paul and Scott a chance to render and post it. The fractal weather today was sunny, muggy and very warm. The temperature of 88F 31C, combined with the high humidity, was too much for the cats, who returned indoors after only a few minutes on the porch. Just after sunset, a very noisy thunder-storm passed over, which sent them scampering for cover behind the sofa. And now, I think I'll scamper on down to the nearby fast-food emporium for a junky breakfast. Then I'll check a few of the stories in the October issue of the 'Analog' sci-fi-and-fact magazine, which has a very interesting editorial. Until I re-appear, take care, and does one ever grow bored with fractals? 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Date: 01 Sep 2001 12:53:56 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C132E5.296D19C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Who cares if you're from the Queen's bloo'y England or commie-Canada or = wherever! I didn't join this list to hear constant babbling about trivial things = like that. Does anyone here talk about Fractals or Chaos theory?? ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C132E5.296D19C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffff00> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Who cares if you're from the Queen's = bloo'y=20 England or commie-Canada or wherever!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>I didn't join this list to hear = constant=20 babbling about trivial things like that.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Does anyone here talk about Fractals = or Chaos=20 theory??</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C132E5.296D19C0-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" <Paul.N.Lee@Worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: (fractint) who cares? Date: 01 Sep 2001 12:29:20 -0500 JackOTradez wrote: > > I didn't join this list to hear constant > babbling about trivial things like that. It appeared to me that you joined the list to promote your "1st WEB page" and some "little utility". > > Does anyone here talk about Fractals or > Chaos theory?? You are always welcome to initiate the conversation, or even comment on the daily "talk" that Jim provides on "Fractals". :-) Sincerely, P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Curnow" <curnow@mail.telepac.pt> Subject: (fractint) Thanks Date: 01 Sep 2001 18:17:53 +0100 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C13312.6A70F4A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks to all for the info on Jim's location. One less thing to worry = about. I had a nail in the map somewhere near Chicago. Now where did I put = that claw-hammer! Cheers, Chris ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C13312.6A70F4A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4611.1300" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Thanks to all for = the info on=20 Jim's location. One less thing to worry about.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>I had a nail in the map = somewhere near=20 Chicago. Now where did I put that claw-hammer!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Cheers,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Chris</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" = size=3D2></FONT> </DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C13312.6A70F4A0-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Curnow" <curnow@mail.telepac.pt> Subject: Re: (fractint) who cares? Date: 01 Sep 2001 18:34:03 +0100 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C13314.AC908740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Crikey! What an unpleasant email. Even the colour shouts. Chris. P.S. I care. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: JackOTradez=20 To: fractint@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 5:53 PM Subject: (fractint) who cares? Who cares if you're from the Queen's bloo'y England or commie-Canada = or wherever! I didn't join this list to hear constant babbling about trivial things = like that. Does anyone here talk about Fractals or Chaos theory?? ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C13314.AC908740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4611.1300" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffff00> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Crikey! What an = unpleasant=20 email. Even the colour shouts.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Chris.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>P.S. I care.</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3DJackOTradez@email.msn.com=20 href=3D"mailto:JackOTradez@email.msn.com">JackOTradez</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=3Dfractint@lists.xmission.com=20 = href=3D"mailto:fractint@lists.xmission.com">fractint@lists.xmission.com</= A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, September 01, = 2001 5:53=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> (fractint) who = cares?</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Who cares if you're from the = Queen's bloo'y=20 England or commie-Canada or wherever!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>I didn't join this list to = hear constant=20 babbling about trivial things like that.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Does anyone here talk about = Fractals or Chaos=20 theory??</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C13314.AC908740-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bmc1@airmail.net Subject: Re: (fractint) OK I give up! Date: 01 Sep 2001 13:51:50 -0500 <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> While only a subscriber for 3.5 of the 4+ years Jim has posted, I too appreciate the daily "lift" - both intellectual and emotional - provided by Jim's elegant posts. <p>A concern - perhaps unique to me - is that this impressive body of work may well go the way of many such on-line labors of love that exist in the erasable world of cyberspace: obscurity, and ultimately, disappearance. <p>Let's face it, even the best quality high-resolution large-format color prints of such images eventually fade, smear and flake off. And the accompanying narratives, which are as appealing and educational as the images themselves, are likely to become separated. <p>In contrast, the same image printed on high-quality acid-free paper would last forever (or at least as long as any books last). <p>In my humble opinion, Jim's thesis <b>"that complicated formulas are not necessary for new and unusual fractals" </b>and his elegant daily demonstations, deserve to be published. <p>I - for one - would certainly pay the price (~$75) that Publishers tell me such a 1- or 2-Volume compendium would cost. (Heck, the arithmetic is easy: the $.08/page cost of using a color printer to reproduce just 1000 of Jim's >1500 existing images, Pars and Commentaries <b>already exceeds</b> the COGS to produce them in the form of a hardbound book or 2-vol set) <p>1500 people download Jim's images every day. Commercial publishers tell me that 5000 copies is a typical press run for the first printing of a graphics intensive-book. I'm quite sure that for every person interested enough to have found them and download them from the Web, there would be another 2 who would see the "book with the pretty pictures" in a bookstore (Borders, Barnes& Noble, etc.) let alone via Amazon.com. <p>So even if it were just another random "coffee-table book" for Xmas, 2001, it would be profitable for a Publisher and for Jim. <p>That means it's do-able. I know I'd want one. Anyone else out there interested ????????? <br> <p>D. Freed. <p>John Lewis wrote: <blockquote TYPE=CITE>On Fri, 31 Aug 2001 00:15:20 -0500, Paul N. Lee wrote: <br>Lee <Paul.N.Lee@Worldnet.att.net Subject: Re: (fractint) OK I give <br>up! Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 00:15:20 -0500 To: <br><fractint@lists.xmission.com <p>[Cut] <p>For a little history on the FOTD, Jim made a posting on April 12, <br>1997 to the Fractal-Art List which started the whole thing. And here <br>is a portion of that message: <p>"I'll try to post a different image every day, until I make my point <br>that complicated formulas are not necessary for new and unusual <br>fractals." <p>That first FOTD was the "SnakeTree" formula and PAR. And it has been <br>a most wonderous daily affair for all involved over the past 4-1/3 <br>years. <p>And I would like to second the sentiment in the last paragraph. I <br>have been enjoying them since I joined this list. Thank you, Jim, and <br>they guys who publish your efforts on the net. <p>John <br>-- John Lewis, jlewis@clara.net on 08/31/2001 <p>-------------------------------------------------------------- <br>Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List <br>Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com <br>Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" <br>Administrator: twegner@fractint.org <br>Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint"</blockquote> </html> Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" <Paul.N.Lee@Worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: (fractint) OK I give up! Date: 01 Sep 2001 14:09:17 -0500 bmc1@airmail.net wrote: > > ....printed on high-quality acid-free paper > would last forever (or at least as long as > any books last). > > I - for one - would certainly pay the price.... > > Anyone else out there interested ????????? > It would be interesting to have a book printed with the first few years of FOTDs (whatever it would take to make the first volume). And it would be nice to see Jim profit from such a venture. But I do not believe that 5000 copies would be sold around the world very quickly. Now something a little simpler, easier and more economical would be to take the whole FOTD web pages (text and graphics) and create a CD-ROM which could be accessed whenever. All of the years could be included on a single disc with room to spare for a separate area containing the PARs and FRMs to be used by those programs capable of handling them. The cost would be much better on the old pocket book. Plus, the CD could contain at least two different resolutions for the Users enjoyment while viewing. :-) Sincerely, P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bmc1@airmail.net Subject: Re: (fractint) OK I give up!- even further OT Date: 01 Sep 2001 15:13:01 -0500 <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> Paul - <p>IMHO, <b>AN ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC IDEA.</b> CD burns are an everyday affair. No third parties, no BS overhead, etc, etc. <p>Now, if we could just get this "Muth" guy on board . . . . <p><b>Perhaps it doesn't matter</b>: persistent rumors have suggested that the "fractal cats" are <b>actually</b> the ones reponsible for the daily posts anyway. <p>This theory was given some credence recently based on FBI & CIA interviews with two <u>feline- Americans</u> [one d/b/a as "Tippy T. Tabby", the other as "Thomas T. Oversized-Yellow-Orange- One"] at a safe-house in the Washington DC-Baltimore area. <p>Only time will <strike>tail </strike> tell . . . . <br> <p>D. Freed <br> <br> <p>"Paul N. Lee" wrote: <blockquote TYPE=CITE>bmc1@airmail.net wrote: <br>> <br>> ....printed on high-quality acid-free paper <br>> would last forever (or at least as long as <br>> any books last). <br>> <br>> I - for one - would certainly pay the price.... <br>> <br>> Anyone else out there interested ????????? <br>> <p>It would be interesting to have a book printed with the first few years <br>of FOTDs (whatever it would take to make the first volume). And it <br>would be nice to see Jim profit from such a venture. But I do not <br>believe that 5000 copies would be sold around the world very quickly. <p>Now something a little simpler, easier and more economical would be to <br>take the whole FOTD web pages (text and graphics) and create a CD-ROM <br>which could be accessed whenever. All of the years could be included on <br>a single disc with room to spare for a separate area containing the PARs <br>and FRMs to be used by those programs capable of handling them. The <br>cost would be much better on the old pocket book. <p>Plus, the CD could contain at least two different resolutions for the <br>Users enjoyment while viewing. :-) <p>Sincerely, <br>P.N.L. <br>-------------------------------------------------------------- <br><a href="http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go">http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go</a> <p>-------------------------------------------------------------- <br>Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List <br>Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com <br>Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" <br>Administrator: twegner@fractint.org <br>Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint"</blockquote> </html> Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Guy Marson <guy.marson@mnhn.lu> Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 30-08-01 (Butterflies Coming [6]) Date: 01 Sep 2001 23:01:53 +0200 At 09:47 31/08/01 +0000, you wrote: > >BTW, is *everyone* on this list from America? No... I'm living at: N49Deg. 34'12,28"; E006Deg. 9'2,32" .. (No, it's not a part of Germany.. ;-))) home_gm { ; Version 2001 Patchlevel 13 reset=2001 type=ifs ifsfile=home_gm.ifs ifs=home_town center-mag=5.79991/0.501768/1.721194 params=1 maxiter=3000 colors=000BFGBDGBCG000<4>00000000000e0e0z00zzz0Zz0zzzzzLLLLLzLzLLzzzLLzL\ zzzLzzz000555<3>HHHKKKOOO<3>ccchhhmmmssszzz00z<3>z0z<3>z00<3>zz0<3>0z0<3\ >0zz<2>0GzVVz<3>zVz<3>zVV<3>zzV<3>VzV<3>Vzz<2>Vbzhhz<3>zhz<3>zhh<3>zzh<3\ >hzh<3>hzz<2>hlz00S<3>S0S<3>S00<3>SS0<3>0S0<3>0SS<2>07SEES<3>SES<3>SEE<3\ >SSE<3>ESE<3>ESS<2>EHSKKS<2>QKSSKSSKQSKOSKMSKK<2>SQKSSKQSKOSKMSKKSK<2>KS\ QKSSKQSKOSKMS00G<3>G0G<3>G00<3>GG0<3>0G0<3>0GG<2>04G88G<2>E8GG8GG8EG8CG8\ AG88<2>GE8GG8EG8CG8AG88G8<2>8GE8GG8EG8CG8AGBBG<2>FBGGBGGBFGBDGBCGBB<2>GF\ BGGBFGBDGBCGBBGB<3>BGG } home_town { ; generated by ifsspell 0.00000 -0.20000 0.05882 0.00000 0.30000 0.20000 0.02457 0.04412 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 0.10000 0.00000 0.01843 0.00000 -0.20000 0.07353 0.00000 1.10000 0.00000 0.03072 0.00000 -0.20000 0.05882 0.00000 1.70000 0.00000 0.02457 0.04412 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 1.30000 0.80000 0.01843 0.00000 -0.20000 0.05882 0.00000 2.50000 0.00000 0.02457 0.04412 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 2.10000 0.80000 0.01843 0.00000 -0.20000 0.05882 0.00000 3.10000 0.20000 0.02457 0.04412 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 2.90000 0.00000 0.01843 0.04412 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 3.70000 0.80000 0.01843 0.04412 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 3.70000 0.00000 0.01843 0.02941 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 3.90000 0.40000 0.01229 0.00000 -0.20000 0.04412 0.00000 3.90000 0.20000 0.01843 0.00000 -0.20000 0.05882 0.00000 5.30000 0.20000 0.02457 0.04412 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 5.10000 0.00000 0.01843 0.00000 0.20000 -0.05882 0.00000 6.30000 1.00000 0.02457 -0.04412 -0.00000 0.00000 -0.20000 6.50000 0.20000 0.01843 0.00000 -0.20000 0.05882 0.00000 6.10000 0.20000 0.02457 0.03687 -0.22368 0.07364 0.00000 6.90000 0.00000 0.03440 0.03687 0.22368 -0.07364 0.00000 6.70000 1.00000 0.03440 0.04412 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 7.60000 0.80000 0.01843 0.04412 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 7.60000 0.00000 0.01843 0.02941 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 7.80000 0.40000 0.01229 0.00000 -0.20000 0.04412 0.00000 7.80000 0.20000 0.01843 0.00000 -0.20000 0.07353 0.00000 8.60000 0.00000 0.03072 0.02785 0.21540 -0.06964 -0.00000 8.40000 1.00000 0.03133 0.02785 -0.21540 0.06964 -0.00000 9.00000 0.00000 0.03133 0.00000 -0.20000 0.07353 0.00000 9.40000 0.00000 0.03072 0.00000 -0.20000 0.07353 0.00000 9.80000 0.00000 0.03072 0.01471 0.25627 -0.01836 0.00000 9.80000 1.00000 0.00983 -0.01471 0.25627 -0.01836 0.00000 10.00000 0.75000 0.00983 0.01471 0.25627 -0.01836 0.00000 9.80000 0.50000 0.00983 -0.01471 0.25627 -0.01836 0.00000 10.00000 0.25000 0.00983 0.04412 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 10.40000 0.80000 0.01843 -0.04412 -0.00000 0.00000 -0.20000 11.00000 0.20000 0.01843 0.00000 -0.20000 0.04412 0.00000 10.60000 0.20000 0.01843 0.00000 0.20000 -0.04412 0.00000 10.80000 0.80000 0.01843 0.00000 0.20000 -0.05882 0.00000 11.60000 1.00000 0.02457 -0.04412 -0.00000 0.00000 -0.20000 11.80000 0.20000 0.01843 0.00000 -0.20000 0.05882 0.00000 11.40000 0.20000 0.02457 0.00000 -0.20000 0.06250 0.00000 12.20000 0.00000 0.02611 0.03309 0.00000 0.00000 0.15000 12.00000 0.85000 0.01037 0.00000 0.15000 -0.02574 0.00000 12.45000 1.00000 0.00806 0.02941 0.00000 0.00000 0.15000 12.20000 0.50000 0.00921 0.01636 0.21893 -0.03674 -0.00000 12.20000 0.50000 0.01680 0.05147 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 12.80000 0.80000 0.02150 0.00000 -0.20000 0.04412 0.00000 13.00000 0.20000 0.01843 0.03676 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 12.80000 0.00000 0.01536 0.00000 -0.20000 0.02206 0.00000 13.50000 0.00000 0.00921 0.02941 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 13.10000 0.30000 0.01229 } cheers, Guy Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: (fractint) CD of FOTD's??? Date: 01 Sep 2001 20:51:34 EDT I have been toying with the idea of a FOTD CD for some time. Such a disk would include all the images and the long version of the discussions, which were posted only to the philofractal list. With Tim's permission, I could also include the latest version of the Fractint program. I am set up to burn CD's. The only problem is a lack of time to gather the elements and edit the superfluous material from the discussion files. The coffee-table book is a good idea, but impractical. The number of FOTD's must be near 1600 by this time. I have all the images safely saved, but a few FOTD discussions (35 or so) were lost when I suffered a disk crash a couple years ago. The missing discussions, which I have not yet identified, can probably be supplied by Paul, who I assume has all the discussions on file. If I see any real interest in such a project, I'll certainly have a go at it. A little extra income could buy many treats for the cats, who enjoy fractals but are too lazy to find any of their own. FOTD for September 02 coming in 12 hours. Jim M. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "b.rankin" <b.rankin@ntlworld.com> Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 30-08-01 (Butterflies Coming [6]) Date: 02 Sep 2001 02:07:49 +0100 Hi. Brian Rankin here.Just tried the formula, but i just get an error message "cannot find file "home_town". Please help. Brian Rankin. Ps. I live in Scotland. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 10:01 PM > At 09:47 31/08/01 +0000, you wrote: > > > >BTW, is *everyone* on this list from America? > > No... I'm living at: N49Deg. 34'12,28"; E006Deg. 9'2,32" .. (No, it's not > a part of Germany.. ;-))) > > > > home_gm { > ; Version 2001 Patchlevel 13 > reset=2001 type=ifs ifsfile=home_gm.ifs ifs=home_town > center-mag=5.79991/0.501768/1.721194 params=1 maxiter=3000 > colors=000BFGBDGBCG000<4>00000000000e0e0z00zzz0Zz0zzzzzLLLLLzLzLLzzzLLzL\ > zzzLzzz000555<3>HHHKKKOOO<3>ccchhhmmmssszzz00z<3>z0z<3>z00<3>zz0<3>0z0<3\ > >0zz<2>0GzVVz<3>zVz<3>zVV<3>zzV<3>VzV<3>Vzz<2>Vbzhhz<3>zhz<3>zhh<3>zzh<3\ > >hzh<3>hzz<2>hlz00S<3>S0S<3>S00<3>SS0<3>0S0<3>0SS<2>07SEES<3>SES<3>SEE<3\ > >SSE<3>ESE<3>ESS<2>EHSKKS<2>QKSSKSSKQSKOSKMSKK<2>SQKSSKQSKOSKMSKKSK<2>KS\ > QKSSKQSKOSKMS00G<3>G0G<3>G00<3>GG0<3>0G0<3>0GG<2>04G88G<2>E8GG8GG8EG8CG8\ > AG88<2>GE8GG8EG8CG8AG88G8<2>8GE8GG8EG8CG8AGBBG<2>FBGGBGGBFGBDGBCGBB<2>GF\ > BGGBFGBDGBCGBBGB<3>BGG > } > > home_town { ; generated by ifsspell > 0.00000 -0.20000 0.05882 0.00000 0.30000 0.20000 0.02457 > 0.04412 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 0.10000 0.00000 0.01843 > > 0.00000 -0.20000 0.07353 0.00000 1.10000 0.00000 0.03072 > > 0.00000 -0.20000 0.05882 0.00000 1.70000 0.00000 0.02457 > 0.04412 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 1.30000 0.80000 0.01843 > > 0.00000 -0.20000 0.05882 0.00000 2.50000 0.00000 0.02457 > 0.04412 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 2.10000 0.80000 0.01843 > > 0.00000 -0.20000 0.05882 0.00000 3.10000 0.20000 0.02457 > 0.04412 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 2.90000 0.00000 0.01843 > > 0.04412 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 3.70000 0.80000 0.01843 > 0.04412 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 3.70000 0.00000 0.01843 > 0.02941 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 3.90000 0.40000 0.01229 > 0.00000 -0.20000 0.04412 0.00000 3.90000 0.20000 0.01843 > > > 0.00000 -0.20000 0.05882 0.00000 5.30000 0.20000 0.02457 > 0.04412 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 5.10000 0.00000 0.01843 > > 0.00000 0.20000 -0.05882 0.00000 6.30000 1.00000 0.02457 > -0.04412 -0.00000 0.00000 -0.20000 6.50000 0.20000 0.01843 > 0.00000 -0.20000 0.05882 0.00000 6.10000 0.20000 0.02457 > > 0.03687 -0.22368 0.07364 0.00000 6.90000 0.00000 0.03440 > 0.03687 0.22368 -0.07364 0.00000 6.70000 1.00000 0.03440 > > 0.04412 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 7.60000 0.80000 0.01843 > 0.04412 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 7.60000 0.00000 0.01843 > 0.02941 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 7.80000 0.40000 0.01229 > 0.00000 -0.20000 0.04412 0.00000 7.80000 0.20000 0.01843 > > 0.00000 -0.20000 0.07353 0.00000 8.60000 0.00000 0.03072 > 0.02785 0.21540 -0.06964 -0.00000 8.40000 1.00000 0.03133 > 0.02785 -0.21540 0.06964 -0.00000 9.00000 0.00000 0.03133 > 0.00000 -0.20000 0.07353 0.00000 9.40000 0.00000 0.03072 > > 0.00000 -0.20000 0.07353 0.00000 9.80000 0.00000 0.03072 > 0.01471 0.25627 -0.01836 0.00000 9.80000 1.00000 0.00983 > -0.01471 0.25627 -0.01836 0.00000 10.00000 0.75000 0.00983 > 0.01471 0.25627 -0.01836 0.00000 9.80000 0.50000 0.00983 > -0.01471 0.25627 -0.01836 0.00000 10.00000 0.25000 0.00983 > > 0.04412 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 10.40000 0.80000 0.01843 > -0.04412 -0.00000 0.00000 -0.20000 11.00000 0.20000 0.01843 > 0.00000 -0.20000 0.04412 0.00000 10.60000 0.20000 0.01843 > 0.00000 0.20000 -0.04412 0.00000 10.80000 0.80000 0.01843 > > 0.00000 0.20000 -0.05882 0.00000 11.60000 1.00000 0.02457 > -0.04412 -0.00000 0.00000 -0.20000 11.80000 0.20000 0.01843 > 0.00000 -0.20000 0.05882 0.00000 11.40000 0.20000 0.02457 > > 0.00000 -0.20000 0.06250 0.00000 12.20000 0.00000 0.02611 > 0.03309 0.00000 0.00000 0.15000 12.00000 0.85000 0.01037 > 0.00000 0.15000 -0.02574 0.00000 12.45000 1.00000 0.00806 > 0.02941 0.00000 0.00000 0.15000 12.20000 0.50000 0.00921 > 0.01636 0.21893 -0.03674 -0.00000 12.20000 0.50000 0.01680 > > 0.05147 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 12.80000 0.80000 0.02150 > 0.00000 -0.20000 0.04412 0.00000 13.00000 0.20000 0.01843 > 0.03676 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 12.80000 0.00000 0.01536 > 0.00000 -0.20000 0.02206 0.00000 13.50000 0.00000 0.00921 > 0.02941 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 13.10000 0.30000 0.01229 > > } > > > > > > cheers, > > > Guy > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth <jamth@mindspring.com> Subject: (fractint) C-FOTD 02-09-01 (Land of Sunflowers [4]) Date: 01 Sep 2001 22:13:13 -0400 (EDT) Classic FOTD -- September 02, 2001 (Rating 4) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: Yes, I realize that it's a 4-1/2 hour image, but the devil made me do it. I wrote in yesterday's discussion that the as-yet invisible midget at the center was probably nothing more than circles ruined by moire patterns. Today I had to check to see if I was right. As the rating of 4 shows, my suspicions were correct. Everything close to the midget is indeed an un-resolved mess. A log color palette would have cleared up a lot of the mess near the midget, which could use another thousand or so iterations. But when I tried the log palette, the area close to the midget became totally flat and featureless. Enjoying chaos a bit more than featurelessness, I decided to use the linear color palette. The name "Land of Sunflowers" is more of a play on words than an accurate description, though the resemblance to an actual sunflower is reasonably apparent. The circular character of the features surrounding the midget is one of the greatest flaws with very deep midgets -- by the time the midgets actually become visible, they all look the same. The parameter file is attached for reference purposes. It can be run, but only the foolhardy would attempt to do so. The only practical way of viewing the image is to give Paul and Scott a few hours to render and post it, and then pick it up from either of their web sites. The URL's of the FOTD web sites are: <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html> and: <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html> After the big electrical storm last evening, the weather turned cooler and much less humid today. The partly cloudy skies and temperature of 84F 29C were appreciated by the fractal cats, who finally came out from behind the sofa. It's now time to enjoy the evening by settling into my favorite chair and watching the junkiest old sci-fi movie I can dredge up. The full philofractal version of today's discussion will appear on the philofractal list in 12 hours or so. Until next FOTD, take care, and don't get duplicated. 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It had been a while since I'd generated an ifs par, so I had the same probem. Fixed by copying the stuff in "home_town { ; generated by ifsspell ..." into a text file named "home_gm.ifs" in my \fractint\ifs\ directory. Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Guy Marson" <guy.marson@mnhn.lu> > To: <fractint@lists.xmission.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 10:01 PM > Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 30-08-01 (Butterflies Coming [6]) > > > At 09:47 31/08/01 +0000, you wrote: > > > > > >BTW, is *everyone* on this list from America? > > > > No... I'm living at: N49Deg. 34'12,28"; E006Deg. 9'2,32" .. 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> > > > } > > > > > > > > > > > > cheers, > > > > > > Guy > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Traynor <lmtraynor@sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 02-09-01 (Land of Sunflowers [4]) Date: 01 Sep 2001 22:27:54 -0400 Jim, > The parameter file is attached for reference purposes. It can > be run, but only the foolhardy would attempt to do so. Nah. After doing the last one at 1600x1200, why would I be shy of generating this one? Images like this remind me of the good old days. Mike Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Guy Marson <guy.marson@mnhn.lu> Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 01-09-01 (Room-102 [6]) Date: 02 Sep 2001 10:10:56 +0200 At 09:18 01/09/01 EDT, you wrote: > >Room-102 { ; time=1:45:19.72--SF5 on a P200 > reset=2001 type=mandel passes=1 > center-mag=-1.999999999999999999996865044960966725\ > 05484407146437815168087706028311682344271/1.576807\ > 2533230194145854302469001380714e-41/7.380952e+073 > params=0/0 float=y maxiter=900 inside=0 > colors=000TKpWGpZJkaMfcPbfSYiVTkYPi`RgcSefTdiUblW`\ > oXZrYYuZWn`UgaT`bRUcPNeOGfM9gL2hPAjSIlVQnYYpbXegWV\ > lVKpUAqTFrSJsRNsQRtPVuOZuObqS`mV_jYYf`XbcV_fUWiSTl\ > RkiFjaCiV9hN6gG3g90dN2a_4_l5`_M`Na`Bq8zC9tBAoAAiAB\ > d9B_9EXAHUAKRAMOAPLASIAUGAPKBKOBFSCAWC5_C2W80T42_A\ > 4fF6mL7sQerXNbV4NUFCgQ2teEacGbbIbaKb`Mb`urcpsekthg\ > ujbvlYwoUxsOwqPyZHfeJmlKtebog_qiYrkWtlUunRvpPxrNyT\ > 47fDZ7O34InUKt3qxCkyLfyU`ybWzkQzjpEo`budeWbSFLxOq8\ > TlGYgOabWfZcjUkoPsN8_SAcXCgaEkeGojIsoKwb3pe6rg9sjB\ > ulEvoGxqJyR1GZ6SeBclGoHXIOVQUTX`RdfPkmNsMjKRfQVcVZ\ > ``bYegUjkRpoOuk`mnVrqQv2E6TIZaNqfMtjMvoLxfgXk_foSp\ > IGu`Jx6WzJTzVQzgNzGt5QkK_bYiUlPPAwy9vpKuhVt`esTpZ_\ > 1iSW8ScIQhSPm`NqjMvEJ0SKLeLeBV0KTDTRQaPajNnhAFkDPm\ > FZoHgqJq_5zc9zgCzkFzoIztsyslzsezsZzsSzYB1bDEfFQkHb\ > oJnYs3blFfeRkZboSniWonQuVN_ZMcbMgeMk9cg8Vh8Mi8Dj5R\ > m3cp1pr5kq9fqDbqHYqLTpPPp > } > Super! But I can't go into the 'image coordinates' ('z' screen then 'F6') in order to manually change the center-mag values.. Why? cheers, Guy Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Guy Marson <guy.marson@mnhn.lu> Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 30-08-01 (Butterflies Coming [6]) Date: 02 Sep 2001 10:23:24 +0200 At 22:18 01/09/01 -0400, you wrote: >Brian, > > >> Just tried the formula, but i just get an error message >> "cannot find file "home_town". >> Please help. > >It had been a while since I'd generated an ifs par, so I had the >same probem. Fixed by copying the stuff in "home_town { ; generated by >ifsspell ..." into a text file named "home_gm.ifs" in my \fractint\ifs\ >directory. > >Mike > > that's right! Sorry, I forgot to explain the way to make a .ifs running. Thanks, Mike! Cheers, Guy Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" <Paul.N.Lee@Worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: (fractint) CD of FOTD's??? Date: 02 Sep 2001 03:46:12 -0500 JimMuth@aol.com wrote: > > ...the long version of the discussions, > which were posted only to the philofractal > list. These are the same ones that get used for the FOTD web pages I create. I believe that Scott uses the shorter discussion version from the FractInt List. > > With Tim's permission, I could also include > the latest version of the Fractint program. I had thought of that as well, but wondered about legal ramifications of selling a CD with a FREEWARE product on it. I do know that other CDs I have bought include such free programs in a separate directory, but still not sure about how many people involved with FractInt would need to be contacted for their permission. > > ....and edit the superfluous material from > the discussion files. Personally, I think some of those "extras" are what make the FOTDs very interesting, and down to earth (so to speak). > > The number of FOTD's must be near 1600.... About 1,550 and growing. :-) > > but a few FOTD discussions (35 or so) were > lost.... .....can probably be supplied > by Paul, who I assume has all the discussions > on file. Yep, no problems there. Starting with the Fractal-Art List, to the FractInt List, and on to the PhiloFractal List. > > If I see any real interest in such a project, > I'll certainly have a go at it. That is one reason I suggested using the web pages already established. Everything is put together and pretty much ready to go. It should not take that much "tweaking" to finalize something workable for a CD-ROM. Sincerely, P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "b.rankin" <b.rankin@ntlworld.com> Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 30-08-01 (Butterflies Coming [6]) Date: 02 Sep 2001 10:53:09 +0100 Thanks Mike. Brian. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 3:18 AM > Brian, > > > > Just tried the formula, but i just get an error message > > "cannot find file "home_town". > > Please help. > > It had been a while since I'd generated an ifs par, so I had the > same probem. Fixed by copying the stuff in "home_town { ; generated by > ifsspell ..." into a text file named "home_gm.ifs" in my \fractint\ifs\ > directory. > > Mike > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Guy Marson" <guy.marson@mnhn.lu> > > To: <fractint@lists.xmission.com> > > Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 10:01 PM > > Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 30-08-01 (Butterflies Coming [6]) > > > > > At 09:47 31/08/01 +0000, you wrote: > > > > > > > >BTW, is *everyone* on this list from America? > > > > > > No... I'm living at: N49Deg. 34'12,28"; E006Deg. 9'2,32" .. (No, it's not > > > a part of Germany.. ;-))) > > > > > > > > > > > > home_gm { > > > ; Version 2001 Patchlevel 13 > > > reset=2001 type=ifs ifsfile=home_gm.ifs ifs=home_town > > > center-mag=5.79991/0.501768/1.721194 params=1 maxiter=3000 > > > > > colors=000BFGBDGBCG000<4>00000000000e0e0z00zzz0Zz0zzzzzLLLLLzLzLLzzzLLzL\ > > > > > zzzLzzz000555<3>HHHKKKOOO<3>ccchhhmmmssszzz00z<3>z0z<3>z00<3>zz0<3>0z0<3\ > > > > > >0zz<2>0GzVVz<3>zVz<3>zVV<3>zzV<3>VzV<3>Vzz<2>Vbzhhz<3>zhz<3>zhh<3>zzh<3\ > > > > > >hzh<3>hzz<2>hlz00S<3>S0S<3>S00<3>SS0<3>0S0<3>0SS<2>07SEES<3>SES<3>SEE<3\ > > > > > >SSE<3>ESE<3>ESS<2>EHSKKS<2>QKSSKSSKQSKOSKMSKK<2>SQKSSKQSKOSKMSKKSK<2>KS\ > > > > > QKSSKQSKOSKMS00G<3>G0G<3>G00<3>GG0<3>0G0<3>0GG<2>04G88G<2>E8GG8GG8EG8CG8\ > > > > > AG88<2>GE8GG8EG8CG8AG88G8<2>8GE8GG8EG8CG8AGBBG<2>FBGGBGGBFGBDGBCGBB<2>GF\ > > > BGGBFGBDGBCGBBGB<3>BGG > > > } > > > > > > home_town { ; generated by ifsspell > > > 0.00000 -0.20000 0.05882 0.00000 0.30000 0.20000 0.02457 > > > 0.04412 0.00000 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0.00983 > > > -0.01471 0.25627 -0.01836 0.00000 10.00000 0.25000 0.00983 > > > > > > 0.04412 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 10.40000 0.80000 0.01843 > > > -0.04412 -0.00000 0.00000 -0.20000 11.00000 0.20000 0.01843 > > > 0.00000 -0.20000 0.04412 0.00000 10.60000 0.20000 0.01843 > > > 0.00000 0.20000 -0.04412 0.00000 10.80000 0.80000 0.01843 > > > > > > 0.00000 0.20000 -0.05882 0.00000 11.60000 1.00000 0.02457 > > > -0.04412 -0.00000 0.00000 -0.20000 11.80000 0.20000 0.01843 > > > 0.00000 -0.20000 0.05882 0.00000 11.40000 0.20000 0.02457 > > > > > > 0.00000 -0.20000 0.06250 0.00000 12.20000 0.00000 0.02611 > > > 0.03309 0.00000 0.00000 0.15000 12.00000 0.85000 0.01037 > > > 0.00000 0.15000 -0.02574 0.00000 12.45000 1.00000 0.00806 > > > 0.02941 0.00000 0.00000 0.15000 12.20000 0.50000 0.00921 > > > 0.01636 0.21893 -0.03674 -0.00000 12.20000 0.50000 0.01680 > > > > > > 0.05147 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 12.80000 0.80000 0.02150 > > > 0.00000 -0.20000 0.04412 0.00000 13.00000 0.20000 0.01843 > > > 0.03676 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 12.80000 0.00000 0.01536 > > > 0.00000 -0.20000 0.02206 0.00000 13.50000 0.00000 0.00921 > > > 0.02941 0.00000 0.00000 0.20000 13.10000 0.30000 0.01229 > > > > > > } > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cheers, > > > > > > > > > Guy > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > > > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > > > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > > > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > > > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thomas Bennett <tombennett98@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: (fractint) CD of FOTD's??? Date: 02 Sep 2001 03:03:40 -0700 (PDT) I would be most interested in a CD of Fractal of the Day. And would be very happy to pay a reasonable price for it. Tom __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" <Paul.N.Lee@Worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 30-08-01 (Butterflies Coming [6]) Date: 02 Sep 2001 06:03:07 -0500 Guy Marson <guy.marson@mnhn.lu> wrote: > > I'm living at: N49Deg. 34'12,28"; > E006Deg. 9'2,32" > I think the "LU" in your email address gives your country away. :-) P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" <Paul.N.Lee@Worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 02-09-01 (Land of Sunflowers [4]) Date: 02 Sep 2001 06:15:22 -0500 Jim Muth wrote: > > The parameter file is attached for > reference purposes. It can be run, > but only the foolhardy would attempt > to do so. I am afraid that there are at least a couple more "foolhardy" individuals around. Here are the times it took for at least three of us: C-FOTD 01-09-01 (Room-102 [6]) Jim's P200 at SF5 01:45:19.72 Scott's machine at SF5 03:53:39.68 My old P700 at SF5 00:32:20.19 C-FOTD 02-09-01 (Land of Sunflowers [4]) Jim's P200 at SF5 04:28:50.04 Scott's machine at SF5 ? ? My old P700 at SF5 01:20:57.28 Sincerely, P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: (fractint) Philofractal version of FOTD Date: 02 Sep 2001 08:08:05 EDT The Philofractal version of the FOTD for Sep 02 will be posted in a few hours. It will have extra material. I posted the Fractint version earlier to give Paul and Scott a chance to render the unusually slow image. Jim M. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jonathan Osuch" <osuchj@qwest.net> Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 01-09-01 (Room-102 [6]) Date: 02 Sep 2001 07:15:40 -0500 Guy, > But I can't go into the 'image coordinates' ('z' screen then 'F6') in order > to manually change the center-mag values.. Why? That's because of the arbitrary precision math being used. Tim didn't implement the 'F6' option when he added the ap-math routines. This is probably due to having to be able to read arbitrarily large numbers from an arbitrarily large piece of screen real estate and put it into an arbitrarily large buffer so it can be converted into the internal format used by Fractint. But, this is only a guess. Tim would have a better answer. Jonathan Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Les St Clair" <les.stclair@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: (fractint) OK I give up! Date: 02 Sep 2001 14:06:45 +0100 Dear All, On the subject of Jim's pars, I'm glad to say that I have recently updated the par/frm collections on my website http://www.les.stclair.btinternet.co.uk/fractals/pars.htm All FOTD's since 12th April '97 until 31st Aug.'01 are there. A word of warning, some of Jim's pars use the Developer's version of Fractint, so they won't render properly with the current v.20 There's a link to the Developer's version on the same page as the pars. regards, Les St Clair Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bmc1@airmail.net Subject: (fractint) Re: A CD of Jim's FotD's, PARS & Commentaries - YES Date: 02 Sep 2001 09:46:54 -0500 <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> Well, a CD certainly appears do-able, and for a variety of reasons, less complicated than a book at present (although I'll bet you a nickel that upon seing it in CD format, a major publisher will go to Jim and propose putting it in book form - - then maybe all you guys can recover some of your "sweat equity".) <p>A further benefit of producing Jim's FotD's in CD format now, is that it can be done in such a manner that those who contribute most (JaM, PNL, Scott, Tim) can show all of the rest of us how it is possible - by mutual agreement and cooperation - to deal with the "ownership"/ "licensure" issues which have been previously been "discussed" on this site <i>ad nauseam</i> by the peanut gallery. <p>The (temporary) loss of the 35 or so files mentioned by PNL is the kind of potential archiving disaster (what if there had been no PNL?) I was talking about yesterday unless the FotD's are committed to some sort of widely-distributable "permanent" medium before we all turn 64. <p>Congrats to you guys (Jim, Paul, Scott, Tim, others) for being wiling to at least discuss doing all the rest of us such a courtesy, and as always, in your usual professional manner. I find the prospect of having an indexed CD of all 1550 or so of Jim's FotD's, their accompanying PARS and "Commentary by Muth" really exciting. <p>And perhaps the Fractal Cats - if not given their due as Co-authors - could even be induced (a few extra treats here, a can of tuna there) to contribute their own Introduction with some personal remembrances of the "lean years" when Jim was just a pup himself . . . . <br> <p>D. Freed <br> <p>"Paul N. Lee" wrote: <blockquote TYPE=CITE>JimMuth@aol.com wrote: <br>> <br>> ...the long version of the discussions, <br>> which were posted only to the philofractal <br>> list. <p>These are the same ones that get used for the FOTD web pages I create. <br>I believe that Scott uses the shorter discussion version from the <br>FractInt List. <p>> <br>> With Tim's permission, I could also include <br>> the latest version of the Fractint program. <p>I had thought of that as well, but wondered about legal ramifications of <br>selling a CD with a FREEWARE product on it. I do know that other CDs I <br>have bought include such free programs in a separate directory, but <br>still not sure about how many people involved with FractInt would need <br>to be contacted for their permission. <p>> <br>> ....and edit the superfluous material from <br>> the discussion files. <p>Personally, I think some of those "extras" are what make the FOTDs very <br>interesting, and down to earth (so to speak). <p>> <br>> The number of FOTD's must be near 1600.... <p>About 1,550 and growing. :-) <p>> <br>> but a few FOTD discussions (35 or so) were <br>> lost.... .....can probably be supplied <br>> by Paul, who I assume has all the discussions <br>> on file. <p>Yep, no problems there. Starting with the Fractal-Art List, to the <br>FractInt List, and on to the PhiloFractal List. <p>> <br>> If I see any real interest in such a project, <br>> I'll certainly have a go at it. <p>That is one reason I suggested using the web pages already established. <br>Everything is put together and pretty much ready to go. It should not <br>take that much "tweaking" to finalize something workable for a CD-ROM. <p>Sincerely, <br>P.N.L. <br>-------------------------------------------------------------- <br><a href="http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go">http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go</a> <p>-------------------------------------------------------------- <br>Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List <br>Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com <br>Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" <br>Administrator: twegner@fractint.org <br>Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint"</blockquote> </html> Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" <Paul.N.Lee@Worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: A CD of Jim's FotD's, PARS & Commentaries - YES Date: 02 Sep 2001 15:01:28 -0500 bmc1@airmail.net wrote: > > ....how it is possible - by mutual agreement > and cooperation - to deal with the "ownership"/ > "licensure" issues which have been previously > been "discussed" on this site.... Even though it is possible, the addition of the FractInt software (I assume both the executable and source) would most likely require some form of statement regarding it's free distribution. And that the sales price of the CD is to cover production and shipping only (pricing would vary considering destination). Any pricing too high, which caused a profit, might not be acceptable by the Stone Soup Group's philosophy. Maybe Tim Wegner will step in and comment on this?? > > (what if there had been no PNL?) Then there would have been someone else who is just as much a packrat. > > I find the prospect of having an indexed CD > of all 1550 or so of Jim's FotD's, their > accompanying PARS and "Commentary by Muth" > really exciting. Another item to think about, are the many FOTDs that were posted on the Usenet Newsgroups (and discussed within the FOTD) that are in the JPEG file format. Many of these were enhanced in some manner to alter the normal GIF output from FractInt, so the question arises, does the CD include the one posted and discussed, or the plain GIF, or maybe both versions?? Sincerely, P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bmc1@airmail.net Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: A CD of Jim's FotD's, PARS & Commentaries - YES Date: 02 Sep 2001 15:53:59 -0500 <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> All valid concerns. <p>I'm just pleased they're beng discussed. <p>Perhaps (no doubt, in fact), there are Attorneys among the downloaders who - having remained stealthily silent so far - might admit their existence (if only in private to JAM, PNL, et. al.) - provide some informed advise/counsel on the Intellectual Property and other legal issues involved. [After, of course, the principals involved sign the requisite "NonDisclosure Of The Attorney's Identity" Agreements . . . . .] <p>Freed <p>"Paul N. Lee" wrote: <blockquote TYPE=CITE>bmc1@airmail.net wrote: <br>> <br>> ....how it is possible - by mutual agreement <br>> and cooperation - to deal with the "ownership"/ <br>> "licensure" issues which have been previously <br>> been "discussed" on this site.... <p>Even though it is possible, the addition of the FractInt software (I <br>assume both the executable and source) would most likely require some <br>form of statement regarding it's free distribution. And that the sales <br>price of the CD is to cover production and shipping only (pricing would <br>vary considering destination). <p>Any pricing too high, which caused a profit, might not be acceptable by <br>the Stone Soup Group's philosophy. Maybe Tim Wegner will step in and <br>comment on this?? <p>> <br>> (what if there had been no PNL?) <p>Then there would have been someone else who is just as much a packrat. <p>> <br>> I find the prospect of having an indexed CD <br>> of all 1550 or so of Jim's FotD's, their <br>> accompanying PARS and "Commentary by Muth" <br>> really exciting. <p>Another item to think about, are the many FOTDs that were posted on the <br>Usenet Newsgroups (and discussed within the FOTD) that are in the JPEG <br>file format. Many of these were enhanced in some manner to alter the <br>normal GIF output from FractInt, so the question arises, does the CD <br>include the one posted and discussed, or the plain GIF, or maybe both <br>versions?? <p>Sincerely, <br>P.N.L. <br>-------------------------------------------------------------- <br><a href="http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go">http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go</a> <p>-------------------------------------------------------------- <br>Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List <br>Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com <br>Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" <br>Administrator: twegner@fractint.org <br>Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint"</blockquote> </html> Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Guy Marson <guy.marson@mnhn.lu> Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 01-09-01 (Room-102 [6]) Date: 02 Sep 2001 23:35:06 +0200 Hi Jonathan, At 07:15 02/09/01 -0500, you wrote: >Guy, > >> But I can't go into the 'image coordinates' ('z' screen then 'F6') in >order >> to manually change the center-mag values.. Why? > >That's because of the arbitrary precision math being used. Tim didn't >implement the 'F6' option when he added the ap-math routines. ok, this answer is enough, so it's no 'bug' in the Ver.20.1.13 >This is >probably due to having to be able to read arbitrarily large numbers from an >arbitrarily large piece of screen real estate and put it into an arbitrarily >large buffer so it can be converted into the internal format used by >Fractint. But, this is only a guess. Tim would have a better answer. > >Jonathan And many thanks for implementing f4 and f5 into the evolver! Cheers, Guy Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Guy Marson <guy.marson@mnhn.lu> Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 30-08-01 (Butterflies Coming [6]) Date: 02 Sep 2001 23:35:11 +0200 At 06:03 02/09/01 -0500, you wrote: >Guy Marson <guy.marson@mnhn.lu> wrote: >> >> I'm living at: N49Deg. 34'12,28"; >> E006Deg. 9'2,32" >> > >I think the "LU" in your email address gives your country away. :-) Right, but there was an old agreement, that all 'off-topic' mail should be accompanied by a .par ;-) cheers, Guy Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken MacLean <kmaclean@ic.net> Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 02-09-01 (Land of Sunflowers [4]) Date: 02 Sep 2001 23:02:56 -0400 --------------F47C0FF0F23DD7E887B9AA2E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul -- Is there any way to run fractint on a machine that doesn't have a VESA board? My rig has a 3dFX PCI board, but I can't seem to run the DOS version of fractint on any setting but F3 or SF1, which doesn't generate very good resolution. Sincerely, Kenneth MacLean "Paul N. Lee" wrote: > Jim Muth wrote: > > > > The parameter file is attached for > > reference purposes. It can be run, > > but only the foolhardy would attempt > > to do so. > > I am afraid that there are at least a couple more "foolhardy" > individuals around. Here are the times it took for at least three of > us: > > C-FOTD 01-09-01 (Room-102 [6]) > ------------------------------ > Jim's P200 at SF5 01:45:19.72 > Scott's machine at SF5 03:53:39.68 > My old P700 at SF5 00:32:20.19 > > C-FOTD 02-09-01 (Land of Sunflowers [4]) > ---------------------------------------- > Jim's P200 at SF5 04:28:50.04 > Scott's machine at SF5 ? ? > My old P700 at SF5 01:20:57.28 > > Sincerely, > P.N.L. > -------------------------------------------------------------- > http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" --------------F47C0FF0F23DD7E887B9AA2E Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> Paul -- <br>Is there any way to run fractint on a machine that doesn't have a VESA board? My rig has a 3dFX PCI board, but I can't seem to run the DOS version of fractint on any setting but F3 or SF1, which doesn't generate very good resolution. <br>Sincerely, <br>Kenneth MacLean <p>"Paul N. Lee" wrote: <blockquote TYPE=CITE>Jim Muth wrote: <br>> <br>> The parameter file is attached for <br>> reference purposes. It can be run, <br>> but only the foolhardy would attempt <br>> to do so. <p>I am afraid that there are at least a couple more "foolhardy" <br>individuals around. Here are the times it took for at least three of <br>us: <p>C-FOTD 01-09-01 (Room-102 [6]) <br>------------------------------ <br> Jim's P200 at SF5 01:45:19.72 <br> Scott's machine at SF5 03:53:39.68 <br> My old P700 at SF5 00:32:20.19 <p>C-FOTD 02-09-01 (Land of Sunflowers [4]) <br>---------------------------------------- <br> Jim's P200 at SF5 04:28:50.04 <br> Scott's machine at SF5 ? ? <br> My old P700 at SF5 01:20:57.28 <p>Sincerely, <br>P.N.L. <br>-------------------------------------------------------------- <br><a href="http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go">http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go</a> <p>-------------------------------------------------------------- <br>Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List <br>Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com <br>Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" <br>Administrator: twegner@fractint.org <br>Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint"</blockquote> </html> --------------F47C0FF0F23DD7E887B9AA2E-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Morgan L. Owens" <packrat@nznet.gen.nz> Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: A CD of Jim's FotD's, PARS & Commentaries - Date: 03 Sep 2001 20:09:29 +1200 At 15:01 02/09/2001 -0500, Paul N. Lee wrote: >bmc1@airmail.net wrote: > > > > ....how it is possible - by mutual agreement > > and cooperation - to deal with the "ownership"/ > > "licensure" issues which have been previously > > been "discussed" on this site.... > >Even though it is possible, the addition of the FractInt software (I >assume both the executable and source) would most likely require some >form of statement regarding it's free distribution. And that the sales >price of the CD is to cover production and shipping only (pricing would >vary considering destination). Well, there is one - it's in the Fractint documentation and goes " Fractint is freeware. The copyright is retained by the Stone Soup Group. Fractint may be freely copied and distributed in unmodified form but may not be sold. (A nominal distribution fee may be charged for media and handling by freeware and shareware distributors.) Fractint may be used personally or in a business - if you can do your job better by using Fractint, or using images from it, that's great! It may not be given away with commercial products without explicit permission from the Stone Soup Group. There is no warranty of Fractint's suitability for any purpose, nor any acceptance of liability, express or implied. ********************************************************************** * Contribution policy: Don't want money. Got money. Want admiration. * ********************************************************************** Source code for Fractint is also freely available - see Distribution of Fractint (p. 183). See the FRACTSRC.DOC file included with the source for conditions on use. (In most cases we just want credit.) " I do recall talk some time past about writing something more comprehensive and solid, however - possibly along the lines of the Mozilla Public or Perl Artistic licenses. Morgan L. Owens "Well, it wasn't likely to be 'sometime future', was it? Though it probably will be." Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Wegner <twegner@swbell.net> Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: A CD of Jim's FotD's, PARS & Commentaries - YES Date: 03 Sep 2001 10:11:44 -0600 > > With Tim's permission, I could also include > > the latest version of the Fractint program. > I had thought of that as well, but wondered about legal ramifications of > selling a CD with a FREEWARE product on it.I do know that other CDs I > have bought include such free programs in a separate directory, but > still not sure about how many people involved with FractInt would need > to be contacted for their permission. It's enough to contact me or Jonathan for this sort of permission. A FOTD CD would be nice thing to make available. We have generally allowed Fractint to be included with CDs by artists who have been contributors to the fractint community. There was a time when we had our own publishing projects, and then we had be more careful. These days there is less reason than ever for us to withold this sort of permission, but it is important to ask us first. The main thing is to not misrepresnt the CD as selling the software - it should be clear that fractint itself is free and included on the CD as a convenience. Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Wegner <twegner@swbell.net> Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: A CD of Jim's FotD's, PARS & Commentaries - YES Date: 03 Sep 2001 10:11:45 -0600 Morgan wrote: > I do recall talk some time past about writing something more > comprehensive and solid, however - possibly along the lines of the > Mozilla Public or Perl Artistic licenses. I would dearly love to change the license. But it is very hard to do. We'd have to contact all sorts of people we haven't heard from in ten years. While I doubt any past developers would object, my experience is that one should be careful in these matters. We could do a substantial rewrite and make the license GPL or one of the other licenses. There is no real need that I can see to change the license for the DOS version which is at the end of life. A future version (new platform) should have a new license. At the present time (with the present license) permission should be gotten from us to put fractint on a CD. If we GPL'd fractint, this would become unnecessary. As I said in another message, these days we have little reason to refuse such a request. Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: (fractint) C-FOTD 03-09-01 (Not the Negative Stem [5]) Date: 03 Sep 2001 11:25:33 EDT Classic FOTD -- September 03, 2001 (Rating 5) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: At first glance, today's midget looks as though it is located far out on the negative stem, (not to be called a tail), but it is not. It is actually located on the east branch of the north filament. This is why I named it "Not the Negative Stem". The effect of fingers pointing in toward the midget is not so much a feature found only at the tip of the negative stem as it is a feature of all midgets located near the bailout radius, where everything gets cut off. In today's fractal, which lies in the classic Mandelbrot set, the bailout has been set to 2 instead of the normal 4 or greater. As a result, the part of the set beyond a radius of 1.4142 has been cut off. To find today's scene, I simply zoomed into the point where the filament gets cut off. The picture created by this maneuvering is not great, but it's not terrible either. A perfectly average rating of 5 seems just about right. The magnitude of the image is on the borderline of the range of arbitrary math. The image renders in 10-1/2 minutes using arbitrary math and in only a few seconds with normal double- precision math. But though the normal math saves time, the resulting image has tiny flaws. I recommend patience and arbitrary math. Less patience will be needed if one gives Paul and Scott a chance to render and post the GIF image to their web sites, which are located at: <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html> and: <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html> The fractal weather today (Sep 2) was once again near perfect, with sunny skies, angel-hair cirrus, and a temperature of 79F 26C. The fractal cats showed their joy by sleeping peacefully through the perfect afternoon. On a philosophical note, I heard today that Steven Hawking, who is strong on AI, has warned that man must find a way to improve his DNA to give him greater intelligence. According to Hawking, we must increase our intelligence to avoid the danger that machines with superior intelligence will take over the world. I must place the danger of being taken over by computers somewhere on my list of things to worry about, probably about two levels below the danger of earth being destroyed by an asteroid. Of course, I already spend so much time with computers that if I were taken over, I would probably notice no difference. Well, it's Labor Day here in the U.S.A., the mis-named holiday on which no one works. Being one who celebrates holidays to the fullest, I'll spend the rest of the day doing absolutely nothing. But I'll return on schedule tomorrow with another FOTD. Until then, take care, and it will be interesting to see whether those intelligent machines ever become intelligent enough to develop the need for a belief in an electronic God. 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This is straightforward Contract and Intellectual Property law, interpretable by <u>any</u> Legal <u>generalist</u> <p>All this falls within the purview of established Contract Law, and its subset Intellectual Property law, and could be resolved (at <b>no charge</b>, of course) by <b>any</b> attorney Board-certified to practice law in any of the 50 states. <p>Freed <p>Tim Wegner wrote: <blockquote TYPE=CITE>Morgan wrote: <p>> I do recall talk some time past about writing something more <br>> comprehensive and solid, however - possibly along the lines of the > Mozilla Public or Perl <br>Artistic licenses. <p>I would dearly love to change the license. But it is very hard to do. We'd have to contact all sorts <br>of people we haven't heard from in ten years. <p>While I doubt any past developers would object, my experience is that one should be careful in <br>these matters. <p>We could do a substantial rewrite and make the license GPL or one of the other licenses. There <br>is no real need that I can see to change the license for the DOS version which is at the end of <br>life. A future version (new platform) should have a new license. <p>At the present time (with the present license) permission should be gotten from us to put fractint <br>on a CD. If we GPL'd fractint, this would become unnecessary. As I said in another message, <br>these days we have little reason to refuse such a request. <p>Tim <p>-------------------------------------------------------------- <br>Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List <br>Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com <br>Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" <br>Administrator: twegner@fractint.org <br>Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint"</blockquote> </html> Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bmc1@airmail.net Subject: (fractint) Amendment to: Re: A CD of Jim's FotD's, PARS & Commentaries - YES Date: 03 Sep 2001 13:09:37 -0500 <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> "Amendments" indicated in Italics in Para #1: <p>bmc1@airmail.net wrote: <blockquote TYPE=CITE>Again, will <i>one of the stealth</i> <b><u>ATTORNEY<i>s</i></u><i> </i></b><i>kindly<b> </b>present him/herself, privately, to one of the Principals [JAM, PNL,Tim, Scott, et al] and provide a little <u>pro bono</u> assistance here <b>????</b></i> <p>There's really no need to speculate; merely to examine the Stone Soup documentation, and any written agreements between/among the other Parties involved. This is straightforward Contract and Intellectual Property law, interpretable by <u>any</u> Legal <u>generalist</u> <p>All this falls within the purview of established Contract Law, and its subset Intellectual Property law, and could be resolved (at <b>no charge</b>, of course) by <b>any</b> attorney Board-certified to practice law in any of the 50 states. <p>Freed <p>Tim Wegner wrote: <blockquote TYPE=CITE>Morgan wrote: <p>> I do recall talk some time past about writing something more <br>> comprehensive and solid, however - possibly along the lines of the > Mozilla Public or Perl <br>Artistic licenses. <p>I would dearly love to change the license. But it is very hard to do. We'd have to contact all sorts <br>of people we haven't heard from in ten years. <p>While I doubt any past developers would object, my experience is that one should be careful in <br>these matters. <p>We could do a substantial rewrite and make the license GPL or one of the other licenses. There <br>is no real need that I can see to change the license for the DOS version which is at the end of <br>life. A future version (new platform) should have a new license. <p>At the present time (with the present license) permission should be gotten from us to put fractint <br>on a CD. If we GPL'd fractint, this would become unnecessary. As I said in another message, <br>these days we have little reason to refuse such a request. <p>Tim <p>-------------------------------------------------------------- <br>Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List <br>Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com <br>Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" <br>Administrator: twegner@fractint.org <br>Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint"</blockquote> using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint"</blockquote> </html> Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Hughes <mhughes@fast.net> Subject: Re: (fractint) Amendment to: Re: A CD of Jim's FotD's, PARS & Date: 03 Sep 2001 20:29:41 -0400 --------------37D107BBBDC1D591B936B2C7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Folks: I normally just lurk on this list, but I think that you may be missing something in this discussion. I doubt that there would be any legal problem with putting the FOTDs on a CD: all you would need is Jim Muth's permission. If a person who gets the disc doesn't already have fractint (very likely they will) then they can just download it. You can get it lots of places, and I would think that anyone who was that interested would know how to find it. FWIW. Mike Hughes bmc1@airmail.net wrote: > "Amendments" indicated in Italics in Para #1: > > bmc1@airmail.net wrote: > >> Again, will one of the stealth ATTORNEYskindly present him/herself, >> privately, to one of the Principals [JAM, PNL,Tim, Scott, et al] and >> provide a little pro bono assistance here ???? >> >> There's really no need to speculate; merely to examine the Stone >> Soup documentation, and any written agreements between/among the >> other Parties involved. This is straightforward Contract and >> Intellectual Property law, interpretable by any Legal generalist >> >> All this falls within the purview of established Contract Law, and >> its subset Intellectual Property law, and could be resolved (at no >> charge, of course) by any attorney Board-certified to practice law >> in any of the 50 states. >> >> Freed >> >> Tim Wegner wrote: >> >> > Morgan wrote: >> > >> > > I do recall talk some time past about writing something more >> > > comprehensive and solid, however - possibly along the lines of >> > the > Mozilla Public or Perl >> > Artistic licenses. >> > >> > I would dearly love to change the license. But it is very hard to >> > do. We'd have to contact all sorts >> > of people we haven't heard from in ten years. >> > >> > While I doubt any past developers would object, my experience is >> > that one should be careful in >> > these matters. >> > >> > We could do a substantial rewrite and make the license GPL or one >> > of the other licenses. There >> > is no real need that I can see to change the license for the DOS >> > version which is at the end of >> > life. A future version (new platform) should have a new license. >> > >> > At the present time (with the present license) permission should be >> > gotten from us to put fractint >> > on a CD. If we GPL'd fractint, this would become unnecessary. As I >> > said in another message, >> > these days we have little reason to refuse such a request. >> > >> > Tim >> > >> > -------------------------------------------------------------- >> > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion >> > List >> > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com >> > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" >> > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org >> > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------- >> Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List >> Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: >> majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: >> twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com >> "unsubscribe fractint" > > -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks > for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post > Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: > majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: > twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com > "unsubscribe fractint" --------------37D107BBBDC1D591B936B2C7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> <br> Folks: <p> I normally just lurk on this list, but I think that you may be missing something in this discussion. I doubt that there would be any legal problem with putting the FOTDs on a CD: all you would need is Jim Muth's permission. If a person who gets the disc doesn't already have fractint (very likely they will) then they can just download it. You can get it lots of places, and I would think that anyone who was that interested would know how to find it. <br> FWIW. <p> Mike Hughes <br> <p>bmc1@airmail.net wrote: <blockquote TYPE=CITE>"Amendments" indicated in Italics in Para #1: <p>bmc1@airmail.net wrote: <blockquote TYPE=CITE>Again, will <i>one of the stealth</i> <b><u>ATTORNEY<i>s</i></u></b><i>kindly<b> </b>present him/herself, privately, to one of the Principals [JAM, PNL,Tim, Scott, et al] and provide a little <u>pro bono</u> assistance here <b>????</b></i> <p>There's really no need to speculate; merely to examine the Stone Soup documentation, and any written agreements between/among the other Parties involved. This is straightforward Contract and Intellectual Property law, interpretable by <u>any</u> Legal <u>generalist</u> <p>All this falls within the purview of established Contract Law, and its subset Intellectual Property law, and could be resolved (at <b>no charge</b>, of course) by <b>any</b> attorney Board-certified to practice law in any of the 50 states. <p>Freed <p>Tim Wegner wrote: <blockquote TYPE=CITE>Morgan wrote: <p>> I do recall talk some time past about writing something more <br>> comprehensive and solid, however - possibly along the lines of the > Mozilla Public or Perl <br>Artistic licenses. <p>I would dearly love to change the license. But it is very hard to do. We'd have to contact all sorts <br>of people we haven't heard from in ten years. <p>While I doubt any past developers would object, my experience is that one should be careful in <br>these matters. <p>We could do a substantial rewrite and make the license GPL or one of the other licenses. There <br>is no real need that I can see to change the license for the DOS version which is at the end of <br>life. A future version (new platform) should have a new license. <p>At the present time (with the present license) permission should be gotten from us to put fractint <br>on a CD. If we GPL'd fractint, this would become unnecessary. As I said in another message, <br>these days we have little reason to refuse such a request. <p>Tim <p>-------------------------------------------------------------- <br>Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List <br>Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com <br>Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" <br>Administrator: twegner@fractint.org <br>Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint"</blockquote> using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint"</blockquote> using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint"</blockquote> </html> --------------37D107BBBDC1D591B936B2C7-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bmc1@airmail.net Subject: Re: (fractint) Amendment to: Re: A CD of Jim's FotD's, PARS & Date: 03 Sep 2001 21:59:35 -0500 <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> Mike, <p>Granted all involved are reasonable people and the even that the Stone Soup-associated language quoted by Tim or one of the other guys yesterday is about as mild as it gets, I still think (based on having done legal consulting for ~25yrs) that the several concerns expressed by Web/Fractal/FotD/Fractint-meisters over the last few days are indeed well-founded, and really do deserve review by one of the stealth attorneys out there. <p>While none of the issues, IMHO, rises to the level of requiring an Alan Dershowitz, they nevertheless deserve consideration, and probably some sort of language to protect the meisters by clarifying that none of Stone Soup's - or anyone else's - toes have been, or are intended to be - stepped on. <p>Stone Soup-associated language quoted by Tim or one of the other guys the other day creates a Contractual relationship between all users and SSG - again, an <b>extremely</b> mild, open, and reasonable one, but present nonetheless. <p>Hey, why do you think God created attorneys? To needlessly complicate interpersonal relationships, do unnecessary work and to overcharge for it (there - that should get at least one of them to crawl out). <p>DBF <p>Michael Hughes wrote: <blockquote TYPE=CITE> <br> Folks: <p> I normally just lurk on this list, but I think that you may be missing something in this discussion. I doubt that there would be any legal problem with putting the FOTDs on a CD: all you would need is Jim Muth's permission. If a person who gets the disc doesn't already have fractint (very likely they will) then they can just download it. You can get it lots of places, and I would think that anyone who was that interested would know how to find it. <br> FWIW. <p> Mike Hughes <br> <p>bmc1@airmail.net wrote: <blockquote TYPE=CITE>"Amendments" indicated in Italics in Para #1: <p>bmc1@airmail.net wrote: <blockquote TYPE=CITE>Again, will <i>one of the stealth</i> <b><u>ATTORNEY<i>s</i></u></b><i>kindlypresent him/herself, privately, to one of the Principals [JAM, PNL,Tim, Scott, et al] and provide a little <u>pro bono</u> assistance here <b>????</b></i> <p>There's really no need to speculate; merely to examine the Stone Soup documentation, and any written agreements between/among the other Parties involved. This is straightforward Contract and Intellectual Property law, interpretable by <u>any</u> Legal <u>generalist</u> <p>All this falls within the purview of established Contract Law, and its subset Intellectual Property law, and could be resolved (at <b>no charge</b>, of course) by <b>any</b> attorney Board-certified to practice law in any of the 50 states. <p>Freed <p>Tim Wegner wrote: <blockquote TYPE=CITE>Morgan wrote: <p>> I do recall talk some time past about writing something more <br>> comprehensive and solid, however - possibly along the lines of the > Mozilla Public or Perl <br>Artistic licenses. <p>I would dearly love to change the license. But it is very hard to do. We'd have to contact all sorts <br>of people we haven't heard from in ten years. <p>While I doubt any past developers would object, my experience is that one should be careful in <br>these matters. <p>We could do a substantial rewrite and make the license GPL or one of the other licenses. There <br>is no real need that I can see to change the license for the DOS version which is at the end of <br>life. A future version (new platform) should have a new license. <p>At the present time (with the present license) permission should be gotten from us to put fractint <br>on a CD. If we GPL'd fractint, this would become unnecessary. As I said in another message, <br>these days we have little reason to refuse such a request. <p>Tim <p>-------------------------------------------------------------- <br>Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List <br>Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com <br>Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" <br>Administrator: twegner@fractint.org <br>Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint"</blockquote> using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint"</blockquote> using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint"</blockquote> </blockquote> </html> Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kelly christiansen <darkwolf1_us@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: (fractint) Amendment to: Re: A CD of Jim's FotD's, PARS & Commentaries - YES Date: 03 Sep 2001 20:30:27 -0700 (PDT) > Hey, why do you think God created attorneys? To > needlessly complicate > interpersonal relationships, do unnecessary work and > to overcharge for > it (there - that should get at least one of them to > crawl out). He didn't. And i'd think that when Tim posted that all that was needed was for him to be asked, that should have been the end of the matter. Unless of course it's a common practice for an attorney to try to force a case to court when the owner doesn't wish to go? ===== ****************************************************************** To subscribe to fractaltalk, send a message to listar@wru.org with "subscribe fractaltalk" in the body. To unsubscribe from fractaltalk, send a message to listar@wru.org with "unsubscribe fractaltalk" in the body. ****************************************************************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bmc1@airmail.net Subject: Re: (fractint) Amendment to: Re: A CD of Jim's FotD's, PARS & Date: 03 Sep 2001 23:34:34 -0500 <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> Way OT, but: <p>1) who says God [assuming one exists] is a "he"? <br>2) how many Breach fo Contract lawsuits have you been invplved in? <br>3) the <b>point</b> (consistently missed despite the sarcasm so obvious I thought it would be impossible to miss) is <u>protection of all concerned</u> (like Tim) - not to: <br> a) insult attorneys - or to <br> b) live in a dream world. <p>Because, <b>with virtual 100% certainty</b>, somebody else's atty will in the future crawl out of the woodwork when least expected and proceed to: <p> "needlessly complicate interpersonal relationships, do unnecessary work and to overcharge for it....." <p>DBF <p>kelly christiansen wrote: <blockquote TYPE=CITE>> Hey, why do you think God created attorneys? To > <br>needlessly complicate <br>> interpersonal relationships, do unnecessary work and <br>> to overcharge for <br>> it (there - that should get at least one of them to <br>> crawl out). <p>He didn't. And i'd think that when Tim posted that all <br>that was needed was for him to be asked, that should <br>have been the end of the matter. Unless of course it's <br>a common practice for an attorney to try to force a <br>case to court when the owner doesn't wish to go? <p>===== <br>****************************************************************** <br>To subscribe to fractaltalk, send a message to listar@wru.org with <br>"subscribe fractaltalk" in the body. <p>To unsubscribe from fractaltalk, send a message to listar@wru.org with <br>"unsubscribe fractaltalk" in the body. <br>****************************************************************** <p>__________________________________________________ <br>Do You Yahoo!? <br>Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger <br><a href="http://im.yahoo.com">http://im.yahoo.com</a> <p>-------------------------------------------------------------- <br>Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List <br>Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com <br>Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" <br>Administrator: twegner@fractint.org <br>Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint"</blockquote> </html> Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bmc1@airmail.net Subject: Re: (fractint) Amendment to: Re: A CD of Jim's FotD's, PARS & Date: 03 Sep 2001 23:40:42 -0500 PS, Yes, it is in fact "a common practice for an attorney to try to force a case to court when the owner doesn't wish to go?" - because the alleged "owner" is what is being disputed. DBF kelly christiansen wrote: > > Hey, why do you think God created attorneys? To > > needlessly complicate > > interpersonal relationships, do unnecessary work and > > to overcharge for > > it (there - that should get at least one of them to > > crawl out). > > He didn't. And i'd think that when Tim posted that all > that was needed was for him to be asked, that should > have been the end of the matter. Unless of course it's > a common practice for an attorney to try to force a > case to court when the owner doesn't wish to go? > > ===== > ****************************************************************** > To subscribe to fractaltalk, send a message to listar@wru.org with > "subscribe fractaltalk" in the body. > > To unsubscribe from fractaltalk, send a message to listar@wru.org with > "unsubscribe fractaltalk" in the body. > ****************************************************************** > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger > http://im.yahoo.com > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Jones" <gnome@hawaii.rr.com> Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 02-09-01 (Land of Sunflowers [4]) Date: 03 Sep 2001 20:13:28 -1000 Which 3dFX board do you have? The one we have runs Fractint quite happily at 1024x768 and 1280x1024 ... David gnome@hawaii.rr.com On 2 Sep 01 at 23:02, Ken MacLean wrote: > Paul -- > Is there any way to run fractint on a machine that > doesn't have a VESA board? My rig has a 3dFX PCI board, > but I can't seem to run the DOS version of fractint on > any setting but F3 or SF1, which doesn't generate very > good resolution. Sincerely, Kenneth MacLean Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Morgan L. Owens" <packrat@nznet.gen.nz> Subject: Re: (fractint) Amendment to: Re: A CD of Jim's FotD's, PARS & Date: 04 Sep 2001 19:54:36 +1200 At 20:30 03/09/2001 -0700, kelly christiansen wrote: > > Hey, why do you think God created attorneys? To > >needlessly complicate > > interpersonal relationships, do unnecessary work and > > to overcharge for > > it (there - that should get at least one of them to > > crawl out). > >He didn't. And i'd think that when Tim posted that all >that was needed was for him to be asked, that should >have been the end of the matter. Unless of course it's >a common practice for an attorney to try to force a >case to court when the owner doesn't wish to go? > Oh, for Ralf's sake. Anyone would think that "judgement" is a lost art among people. It would be a matter of common courtesy to ask the involved Fractint authors (for one thing, their names are on the product), if that is feasible (putting out some sort of notice that past authors are likely to see?). A new license for a new ground-up rewrite would in some cases be easier - once it's determined which bits of the old code are reused in the new and who wrote them. Tim's bringing up the subject of a new rewrite does cast light on the FOTD-with-Fractint CD: if we're going to put Fractint on the CD, shouldn't we wait until we have a contemporary version of Fractint (with a contemporary license) to put there? Morgan L. Owens "Horsell Common" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Morgan L. Owens" <packrat@nznet.gen.nz> Subject: (fractint) Re: [philofractal] C-FOTD 03-09-01 (Not the Negative Stem Date: 04 Sep 2001 19:57:55 +1200 At 11:25 03/09/2001 -0400, JimMuth@aol.com wrote: >... and it will be interesting to see >whether those intelligent machines ever become intelligent >enough to develop the need for a belief in an electronic God. "And the iron shall lay down with the lamp." Kernel 2.1.19 Sony Revised Version 2.1 Morgan L. Owens "My colleague's laptop has Stephen Hawking's accent." Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "JackOTradez" <JackOTradez@email.msn.com> Subject: Re: (fractint) Amendment to: Re: A CD of Jim's FotD's, PARS & Commentaries - YES Date: 04 Sep 2001 08:24:59 -0400 Folks, maybe I am missing something, but where is the problem putting Fractint on a CD ? I have a dozen or so fractal CD's I've picked up over the years at computer shows. Many of them have Fractint along with other programs as well as fractal *.GIF files and videos. (I always assumed they were legal, perhaps not then?) ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 3:54 AM Commentaries - YES > At 20:30 03/09/2001 -0700, kelly christiansen wrote: > > > Hey, why do you think God created attorneys? To > > >needlessly complicate > > > interpersonal relationships, do unnecessary work and > > > to overcharge for > > > it (there - that should get at least one of them to > > > crawl out). > > > >He didn't. And i'd think that when Tim posted that all > >that was needed was for him to be asked, that should > >have been the end of the matter. Unless of course it's > >a common practice for an attorney to try to force a > >case to court when the owner doesn't wish to go? > > > > Oh, for Ralf's sake. Anyone would think that "judgement" is a lost art > among people. > > It would be a matter of common courtesy to ask the involved Fractint > authors (for one thing, their names are on the product), if that is > feasible (putting out some sort of notice that past authors are likely to > see?). > > A new license for a new ground-up rewrite would in some cases be easier - > once it's determined which bits of the old code are reused in the new and > who wrote them. > > Tim's bringing up the subject of a new rewrite does cast light on the > FOTD-with-Fractint CD: if we're going to put Fractint on the CD, shouldn't > we wait until we have a contemporary version of Fractint (with a > contemporary license) to put there? > > > > Morgan L. Owens > "Horsell Common" > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: (fractint) C-FOTD 04-09-01 (Not in the M-set [7]) Date: 04 Sep 2001 10:53:50 EDT Classic FOTD -- September 04, 2001 (Rating 7) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: Though it appears to be a normal Mandelbrot midget, and the formula draws the classic M-set, today's scene does not lie in the Mandelbrot set, which is why I named the picture "Not in the M-Set". The exact location is indeed on the northeast shore of the north bud, and nothing unusual is apparent in the image's appearance, but look closely at the parameters. Today's image is not a part of the true M-set. It is part of a non-critical perturbed Mandelbrot slice of the 4-D Julibrot. To create today's image I first found a Mandelbrot midget. Then I noted the center coordinates of the midget and entered this value as the C-value of a Julia set. The Julia set appears as a symmetrical filament with round holes scattered along it. The hole at the center of the J-set represents, in fact is actually a slice in a different direction through the Mandelbrot midget of the true M-set. The Z-coordinates of the other holes in the Julia set represent the Z-values of the various perturbed M-sets in which the same midget appears. The larger the hole in the Julia set, the more perfect the corresponding Mandelbrot midget. To set the Z-value of today's image, I found and noted the Z-coordinates of the largest hole other than the one at the center of the Julia set, then applied this value to the true image I had already generated, and recalculated it. Though the resulting image is perturbed, I noticed no difference from the original critical image. I finally accepted the perturbed version as a curiosity. I doubt that I have previously posted today's MandelbrotVE (Variable Escape) formula, which adds the ability to change the escape radius to the ability to set any point in the 4-D Julibrot to the center of the screen. The escape radius of today's image has been set to a point very near where the scene is totally obliterated. Normally, when all Z exponents of a formula are positive, changing the escape radius has very little effect on the appearance of a fractal image, but in the range right before the entire scene goes blank, the escape radius becomes the most important parameter. The unusual coloring effect was further enhanced by setting the outside to <fmod> instead of the normal <iter>. Yes, I realize that this is heresy, but sometimes I enjoy being a heretic. Despite the heresy, I rated the image at an above-average 7. A good feature of the image is its speed. The entire scene renders in under two minutes -- as fast as it can be picked up from Paul's web site at: <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html> or Scott's site at: <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html> The fractal weather today (Sep 3) was near ideal, with only a few too many clouds spoiling the absolute perfection of a temperature of 79F 26C. The cats, who spent most of the day sleeping on the porch, were unconcerned with the weather. But I am concerned -- about the work that needs to be done. As always, the best way to change waiting work into finished work is to get started. So that's what I'm going to do. Until next FOTD, take care, and it looks as though there will be a FOTD-CD, but quite a bit of work needs to be done before it will be ready. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Not_in_the_M-Set { ; time=0:01:48.97--SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=slices.frm formulaname=MandelbrotVE passes=b center-mag=-0.05\ 151080875583096/+0.82413114440372280/3971906/1/-140 params=-0.66228716745/0.62218196242/0/0/1.255/0 float=y maxiter=1600 inside=255 proximity=0.1 outside=fmod colors=0009lGBkKDkNFjRGjUIiYKiaMhdNhhPglRgoTfsUfvV\ euVdtWcsWcrWbrXaqXapX`oY_oYZnZZmZYlZXl_Xk_Wj_Vi`Ui\ `Uh`TgaSfaSebRebQdbPccPbcObcNadN`dM_eL_eKZeKYfJXfI\ XfIWgHVgGUgGUhHVhIVhJViKWiLWiMWiNXjOXjPXjQYkQYkRYk\ SZkTZlUZlV_lW_mX_mY`mZ`mZ`n_an`anaaobbocbodboecpfc\ pgcphdqhdqidqjeqkerlermfrnfsofspgsqgsqgrpfrofrnfrm\ frlerkerjerierhdrgdrfdredrecredrfdrgdrhdridrjerkfs\ lgsmhsnispksqlsrmssnttotuqtvrtwstxttyutzvryuqwsouq\ nsolqnkolimjhkhgigegedecbcaaa___ZZYXXWVWUUVRUTPTSL\ SQIRPFQNDQMAPK8OJ5NH2NI2NJ2NJ3NK3NK3NL4NM4NM4NN5NN\ 5NO5NP6NP6NQ6NQ7NR7NS7NS8NT8NT8NU9NV9NV9NWANWANXAN\ YBNYBNZBNZCN_CN`CN`DNaDNaDN`EM`EM`EL_EL_EK_FKZFJZF\ JZFIYFIYGHYGHXGGXGGXGFWHFWHEWHEVHDVHDVICUICUIBUIBT\ IATJATJ9SJ9SJ8SJ8TI7SJ8SJ9SJ9SJASJBSKBRKCRKDRKDRKE\ RLFRLFQLGQLGQLHQMIQMIQMJPMKPMKPMLPNMPNMPNNONOONPOO\ ROOTOOWOOZNOaNPdOOfPNhWNk } frm:MandelbrotVE {; Jim M. (variable escape radius) z=p1, c=pixel+p2, b=sqr(real(p3)): z=sqr(z)+c, |z| <= b } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken MacLean <kmaclean@ic.net> Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 02-09-01 (Land of Sunflowers [4]) Date: 04 Sep 2001 14:51:18 -0400 David -- you are just the guy I'm looking for! I have a 3dfx Voodoo 3000, bought in summer of 2000, on the CD it says Version 1.4, for Win95, Win98, and NT4. I am running NT4. Paul says that many machines have had problems running fractint in DOS with NT4. If you would be so kind as to tell me how you set yours up and what OS you are running, I'd appreciate it. Any other helpful hints would be welcome. Probably it's NT4 that's the culprit. -Ken David Jones wrote: > Which 3dFX board do you have? The one we have runs > Fractint quite happily at 1024x768 and 1280x1024 ... > > David > gnome@hawaii.rr.com > > On 2 Sep 01 at 23:02, Ken MacLean wrote: > > > Paul -- > > Is there any way to run fractint on a machine that > > doesn't have a VESA board? My rig has a 3dFX PCI board, > > but I can't seem to run the DOS version of fractint on > > any setting but F3 or SF1, which doesn't generate very > > good resolution. Sincerely, Kenneth MacLean > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken MacLean <kmaclean@ic.net> Subject: (fractint) Query to List Date: 04 Sep 2001 16:01:39 -0400 I am running NT4.0 with a 3dfx Voodoo 3000 PCI graphics board, but I cannot get fractint (version 20.0) to run on any video modes other than F3 and SF1, which give unacceptably poor resolution. If anyone out there has gotten fractint to run with NT4 with ANY PCI graphics board, I would really appreciate if you would tell me how you did it! Sincerely, Kenneth MacLean Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nick.grasso@hrads.com Subject: Re: (fractint) Query to List Date: 04 Sep 2001 16:24:16 -0400 Ken MacLean wrote: >>>I am running NT4.0 with a 3dfx Voodoo 3000 PCI graphics board, but I cannot get fractint (version 20.0) to run on any video modes other than F3 and SF1, which give unacceptably poor resolution. If anyone out there has gotten fractint to run with NT4 with ANY PCI graphics board, I would really appreciate if you would tell me how you did it!<<< Ken, You may be out of luck. There is a knowledge base article on microsoft.com that specifically says NT4 does not support VESA and will not run any DOS program in other than standard VGA (320x200x256 or 640x480x16). I have a Matrox Millenium PCI card that I run under NT4 and, like you, SF1 (360x480x256) is the best I can do with Fractint. There have been reports in the past that some users have run Fractint at higher resolutions but this is the exception, not the rule. By the way, does anyone know if Fractint will run in VESA video modes under Windows XP? XP supposedly has various 'compatibility modes'. Nick Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken MacLean <kmaclean@ic.net> Subject: Re: (fractint) Query to List Date: 04 Sep 2001 19:43:02 -0400 Nick -- thanks very much for that -- it's just what Paul said -- I'm SOL in NT4. Oh well. I need a new motherboard anyway, I'll just throw one in and upgrade (or downgrade!) to another version of windoze. -- Ken nick.grasso@hrads.com wrote: > Ken MacLean wrote: > > >>>I am running NT4.0 with a 3dfx Voodoo 3000 PCI graphics board, but I > cannot get fractint (version 20.0) to run on any video modes other than > F3 and SF1, which give unacceptably poor resolution. If anyone out there > has gotten fractint to run with NT4 with ANY PCI graphics board, I would > really appreciate if you would tell me how you did it!<<< > > Ken, > > You may be out of luck. There is a knowledge base article on microsoft.com that > specifically says NT4 does not support VESA and will not run any DOS program in > other than standard VGA (320x200x256 or 640x480x16). I have a Matrox Millenium > PCI card that I run under NT4 and, like you, SF1 (360x480x256) is the best I can > do with Fractint. There have been reports in the past that some users have run > Fractint at higher resolutions but this is the exception, not the rule. > > By the way, does anyone know if Fractint will run in VESA video modes under > Windows XP? XP supposedly has various 'compatibility modes'. > > Nick > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick Davis" <underdog@ameritech.net> Subject: (fractint) Video Mode Date: 04 Sep 2001 19:09:48 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C13575.2AD6F1E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was wondering if any one has made or has a video mode for = DiamondStealth 64 V mode. I know there is one with it but the = resolution is to big. I need one for 1024x768. If this is possible = please let me know. I don't have this video card but it works the best = with my card. I have a S3 Savage/IX Display Driver. =20 Pat Davis ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C13575.2AD6F1E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2600.0" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I was wondering if any one has made or = has a video=20 mode for DiamondStealth 64 V mode. I know there is one with it but = the=20 resolution is to big. I need one for 1024x768. If this = is=20 possible please let me know. I don't have this video card but it = works the=20 best with my card. I have a S3 Savage/IX Display Driver. =20 </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Pat Davis</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C13575.2AD6F1E0-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Multiple Bogeys" <neo_1061@hotmail.com> Subject: (fractint) Warning re: Windoze XP Date: 04 Sep 2001 23:27:23 -0400 ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C13599.26F8EA00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If you use XP on a machine that connects to the net, use the free ZoneAla= rm at http://www.zonelabs.com or you could have problems. Keep the instal= ler for ZoneAlarm handy as well. The current version (2.6, last I checked= ) has an obscure bug that can cause it to unexpectedly stop functioning f= or no apparent reason. A reboot won't fix it, and a normal uninstall and = reinstall won't either, because of a parallel bug in the uninstaller that= causes it to fail to remove some files. Uninstall, delete an Internet Lo= gs directory, and reinstall and it works again...until the bug strikes ag= ain, that is. Wash, rinse, and repeat. (The procedure is in a FAQ on thei= r site in some more detail. It is, IMO, a mark of a lazy programmer to le= ave a pair of bugs like that in a release product and then add a workarou= nd to a FAQ instead of merely fixing them. The uninstaller bug is particu= larly heinous and moreover, easily fixed, but the response is to add a FA= Q entry instead. Shame on them. The software functions excellently otherw= ise, which makes these bugs particularly stand out. And it's not a beta; = with betas that kind of thing would be acceptable, if not expected.) Why ZoneAlarm a net-connected XP box? Because if you don't, your machine = can be hijacked to participate in unblockable and untraceable DDoS attack= s on prominent Web sites or any other net-connected machine someone doesn= 't like. Read all about it at http://www.grc.com and don't say I didn't w= arn you.<br clear=3Dall><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a = href=3D'http://go.msn.com/bql/hmtag_itl_EN.asp'>http://explorer.msn.com</= a><br> ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C13599.26F8EA00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <HTML><BODY STYLE=3D"font:10pt verdana; border:none;"><DIV>If you use XP = on a machine that connects to the net, use the free ZoneAlarm at <A href=3D= "http://www.zonelabs.com">http://www.zonelabs.com</A> or you could have p= roblems. Keep the installer for ZoneAlarm handy as well. The current vers= ion (2.6, last I checked) has an obscure bug that can cause it to unexpec= tedly stop functioning for no apparent reason. A reboot won't fix it, and= a normal uninstall and reinstall won't either, because of a parallel bug= in the uninstaller that causes it to fail to remove some files. Uninstal= l, delete an Internet Logs directory, and reinstall and it works again...= until the bug strikes again, that is. Wash, rinse, and repeat. (The = procedure is in a FAQ on their site in some more detail. It is, IMO, a ma= rk of a lazy programmer to leave a pair of bugs like that in a release pr= oduct and then add a workaround to a FAQ instead of merely fixing them. T= he uninstaller bug is particularly heinous and moreover, easily fixed, bu= t the response is to add a FAQ entry instead. Shame on them. The software= functions excellently otherwise, which makes these bugs particularly sta= nd out. And it's not a beta; with betas that kind of thing would be accep= table, if not expected.)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Why ZoneAlarm a net= -connected XP box? Because if you don't, your machine can be hijacked to = participate in unblockable and untraceable DDoS attacks on prominent= Web sites or any other net-connected machine someone doesn't like. Read = all about it at <A href=3D"http://www.grc.com">http://www.grc.com</A> and= don't say I didn't warn you.<BR></DIV></BODY></HTML><DIV><BR><br clear=3D= all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href=3D'http://go.ms= n.com/bql/hmtag_itl_EN.asp'>http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></DIV> ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C13599.26F8EA00-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Thierry B." <oulala@chez.com> Subject: Re: (fractint) Warning re: Windoze XP Date: 05 Sep 2001 09:00:29 +0200 Where is the relation with fractals ? -- Thierry, 42++ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" <Paul.N.Lee@Worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: (fractint) Warning re: Windoze XP Date: 05 Sep 2001 02:53:54 -0500 Multiple Bogeys wrote: > > It is, IMO, a mark of a lazy programmer to > leave a pair of bugs like that in a release > product... Kind of like calling the kettle black is it not, since you have already stated that your own fractal generator is hard coded to the point that one would need to modify the source and recompile to get different fractals. > > The software functions excellently otherwise, > which makes these bugs particularly stand out. > And it's not a beta; with betas that kind of > thing would be acceptable, if not expected. But it is the FREEWARE version, so you get what you pay for. Now the ZoneAlarm Pro version seems to run quite well without any bugs whatsoever (at least the v2.6.214 one). > > Why ZoneAlarm a net-connected XP box? Better yet, why post this topic to a FractInt and Fractals Discussion List?? P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Jones" <gnome@hawaii.rr.com> Subject: Re: (fractint) Video Mode Date: 04 Sep 2001 22:37:06 -1000 IIRC, the standard VESA 1024x768x256 worked fine with our Diamond Stealth 64s. It's one of the options that comes with Fractint. David gnome@hawaii.rr.com On 4 Sep 01 at 19:09, Patrick Davis wrote: > I was wondering if any one has made or has a video mode > for DiamondStealth 64 V mode. I know there is one with > it but the resolution is to big. I need one for > 1024x768. If this is possible please let me know. I > don't have this video card but it works the best with my > card. I have a S3 Savage/IX Display Driver. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: (fractint) FOTD 05-09-01 (Star Pool [7]) Date: 05 Sep 2001 11:00:45 EDT FOTD -- September 05, 2001 (Rating 7) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: Starting with today's FOTD, I will be dropping the word 'classic'. I originally added the word to distinguish the purist type of fractals I discover, which emphasize the things that numbers do, from the type of fractals intentionally created to display the artistic skill of the creator. But though the name changes, the content will remain the same. I had a bit of a problem coming up with a name for today's image. After a bit of pondering however, I stepped back from the screen and noticed the near perfect, color-created star surrounding the midget. Then, reseating myself before the screen, I noticed the eight bottomless pools, which even at a maxiter of 12000 are still open at the center. Combining the words, I found the title "Star Pool". Whether the image rating of 7 is justified is up to the viewer to decide. The generating formula, 1.01(Z)+1.01(1/Z)+(1/C), is deceptively simple. The parent fractal appears as a grossly distorted Mandeloid, which is all main-bay. The buds have shrunk almost to the point of invisibility, but the buds are there, lining the shoreline in countless numbers. Today's scene lies on the north shore of the main bay, in the star area of a tiny bud radical. The render time from the parameter file is almost an hour on my machine. The download, which can be found at: <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html> and at: <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html> is far faster. But before rushing to the web sites, give their owners a chance to render and post the image. The fractal weather today here at FC was partly cloudy and a bit too warm for comfort. The fractal cats found the temperature of 87F 30.5C good for nothing but sleeping, which is just about all they do anyway. At nightfall a short but heavy shower passed over, ending the day with a splash. As for me, it's time to start the day's work, and then start organizing the presently scattered material for the upcoming FOTD-CD. It will be a trying task, but I'll tackle it with enthusiasm, and ultimate success is assured. Until tomorrow comes, take care, and fractals are where it's at. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Star_Pool { ; time=0:57:42.78--SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=allinone.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 center-mag=-3.554187752194824/+1.980828277338422/1\ .700027e+007/1/-59.999 params=1.01/1/1.01/-1/0/300 float=y maxiter=12000 inside=0 logmap=730 colors=000LEHLEHMGINIJOKKPMLQOMRQNSSOTTPUVQVWRWXSX\ ZTY_UaaUfbUjcUcgRXkORoLKsIEwFFtGGqHGoHHlIIjJIgJJeK\ KbKK`LLYMMVMMTNNQNOOOOLPPJPQGQQEQTMPWUPZaPaiOdqOfx\ O`tVWq`RngMkmHhsTZrcPrhFleDf_CVUIPBHBBGDBFFBEIBDKC\ CMCBPCARC9TC8VC7YD6_D5aD4dD3fD2hD1jC3iB4iB6hA7hA8h\ 9Ag9Bg8Df7Ef7Ff6He6Ie5Kd5Ld4Md3Oc3Pc2Rb2Sb1TbAVaKU\ _UUYWUWYUU_USaUQcUOaUM`UK_UIZUGYUEXUCVUATT9RV9PX9S\ Z8U`8Wb8Yd8_e8bg7di7fk7hl7jn7lp7or6qs6su6uw6wy6yz6\ wq5uh4s`3qS2pK2f0Ja1GY2DV3AT4AR5AO6AK7AK8AM9AOAAQA\ FSBKUCNWDQYER_FSaGSaHTaITaJUaJUcMTdOTeQTgSThUTiWTk\ ZTl`TmbTcUTgXTk_TnbUleVjhWhkXflYdlZbm_`m`ZnaXobUoc\ SpdQqeOqfMrgKrhIsiGtjEtkCulAulPhgcWcqK_lJXgJUbIUZI\ cUImPHwKHzGHwENmDScBYUAbK8gA7m75r64w66t78r8Ap9CoAD\ pBFqCHrDJsEKtFMuGOvHQwISxJTyKVzLXzMZzN_zOazPczQezR\ gzRizTkzUmzVozXqzYszZuz`wzaxzbyzdzzezzfzzdzzczzbzz\ azz`zzZzzYzzXzzWzzVzzUzzM } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" <Paul.N.Lee@Worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: (fractint) Video Mode Date: 05 Sep 2001 12:25:13 -0500 Patrick Davis wrote: > > I was wondering if any one has made or has > a video mode for DiamondStealth 64 V mode. > .... I need one for 1024x768. On another machine I used to have, it had a DiamondStealth 64, and FractInt worked quite fine with the standard "SF" modes. If you are experiencing problems, have you tried running the MAKEFCFG program to generate a FRACTINT.CFG file?? There is a small text file called MAKEFCFG as well, which has some info about it. Sincerely, P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Lewis <jlewis@clara.net> Subject: Re: (fractint) Warning re: Windoze XP Date: 05 Sep 2001 07:26:05 +0100 On Tue, 4 Sep 2001 23:27:23 -0400, Multiple Bogeys wrote: >If you use XP on a machine that connects to the net, use the= free ZoneAlarm at http://www.zonelabs.com or you could have problems.= Keep the installer for ZoneAlarm handy as well. The current version (2.6, last I checked) has an obscure bug that can cause it to unexpectedly stop functioning for no apparent reason. A reboot= won't fix it, and a normal uninstall and reinstall won't either,= because of a parallel bug in the uninstaller that causes it to fail to= remove some files. Uninstall, delete an Internet Logs directory, and reinstall and it works again... until the bug strikes again, that= is. Wash, rinse, and repeat. (The procedure is in a FAQ on their site= in some more detail. It is, IMO, a mark of a lazy programmer to= leave a pair of bugs like that in a release product and then add a= workaround to a FAQ instead of merely fixing them. The uninstaller bug is particularly heinous and moreover, easily fixed, but the response= is to add a FAQ entry instead. Shame on them. The software functions= excellently otherwise, which makes these bugs particularly stand= out. And it's not a beta; with betas that kind of thing would be acceptable, if not expected.) >Why ZoneAlarm a net-connected XP box? Because if you don't, your= machine can be hijacked to participate in unblockable and= untraceable DDoS attacks on prominent Web sites or any other net- connected machine someone doesn't like. Read all about it at= http://www.grc.com and don't say I didn't warn you. So that is the problem, thanks. I had a problem with the latest version of ZA under WMe. I went back to the previous version= which had never given me a problem. John -- John Lewis, jlewis@clara.net on 09/05/2001 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Programmer Dude <cjsonnack@mmm.com> Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 03-09-01 (Not the Negative Stem [5]) Date: 05 Sep 2001 14:28:02 -0500 JimMuth@aol.com wrote: > On a philosophical note, I heard today that Steven Hawking, who > is strong on AI, has warned that man must find a way to improve > his DNA to give him greater intelligence. According to Hawking, > we must increase our intelligence to avoid the danger that > machines with superior intelligence will take over the world. For my money, Hawking is one of the great genii of the world....in his own field. Outside of it, he oft seems somewhat of a loon.... -- |_ CJSonnack <Chris@Sonnack.com> _____________| How's my programming? | |_ http://www.Sonnack.com/ ___________________| Call: 1-800-DEV-NULL | |_____________________________________________|_______________________| Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick Davis" <underdog@ameritech.net> Subject: Re: (fractint) Video Mode Date: 05 Sep 2001 18:34:28 -0500 I tried that but the message that pops up that it fails. I think that it can't read the video bios. I am running this on a Win2k Toshiba Laptop. Pat ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 12:25 PM > Patrick Davis wrote: > > > > I was wondering if any one has made or has > > a video mode for DiamondStealth 64 V mode. > > .... I need one for 1024x768. > > On another machine I used to have, it had a DiamondStealth 64, and > FractInt worked quite fine with the standard "SF" modes. > > If you are experiencing problems, have you tried running the MAKEFCFG > program to generate a FRACTINT.CFG file?? There is a small text file > called MAKEFCFG as well, which has some info about it. > > Sincerely, > P.N.L. > -------------------------------------------------------------- > http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Christenson <mchris@value.net> Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 03-09-01 (Not the Negative Stem [5]) Date: 05 Sep 2001 18:51:46 -0700 At 02:28 PM 9/5/01 -0500, Programmer Dude wrote: >JimMuth@aol.com wrote: > >> On a philosophical note, I heard today that Steven Hawking, who >> is strong on AI, has warned that man must find a way to improve >> his DNA to give him greater intelligence. According to Hawking, >> we must increase our intelligence to avoid the danger that >> machines with superior intelligence will take over the world. > >For my money, Hawking is one of the great genii of the world....in his >own field. Outside of it, he oft seems somewhat of a loon.... Oh, I don't know. First, as a physics BS (I know, a BS in *that* field is almost useless), admittedly old school (class of ' 79), I find some of his notions within his field to be somewhat loony. On the other hand, *this* concern seems to me rather reasonable. Not to say that life would necessarily imitate art in this case, but there are many writers who have explored this very scenario at various scales. Classic examples include 2001, Colossus, and Terminator. In the event that we humans succeed in creating truly conscious computers/robots/androids/whatever, that is to say devices that are self-aware, capable of independant and creative thinking, and able to act on their ideas, not even Asimov's robotic laws could save us. We would be as helpless against a brilliantly organized robotic assault as our evolutionary cousins, including Neandertal, were against the relentless advance of Homo Sapiens and our ancestors. As a really obscure aside, I should mention a short-lived TV Sci-Fi series that was based on such a scenario. Cleopatra 2525 was based on the premise that in the early 21st Century flying robots known as Baileys came to Earth and laid such an overwhelming assault on its dominant species that all human life was driven underground. In 2525, the timeframe of the series, the puzzle comes together. It turns out that the Baileys were of terrestrial, not alien, origin. Their creator, a scientist named Bailey, was an environmental extremist who decided that the only way to save Earth was to remove humans from its surface. His novel solution both saved the environment and permitted the human race to continue. Computers control our commerce, communication, transportation, energy generation and distribution, medical equipment... ... and, of course, our fractals ;-) Aloha, Bud Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Multiple Bogeys" <neo_1061@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: (fractint) Warning re: Windoze XP Date: 06 Sep 2001 00:10:36 -0400 ------=_NextPart_001_0003_01C13668.5AA8DFC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Kind of like calling the kettle black is it not, since you have already > stated that your own fractal generator is hard coded to the point that > one would need to modify the source and recompile to get different > fractals. Wrong. I haven't released my fractal generator to the public. It's not ev= en an alpha, let alone a beta or a "finished and polished" program. > But it is the FREEWARE version... So? That cuts no ice with me. If you do a job, I think you should do the = best job you can. [ZoneAlarm Pro] The reason for paying for ZoneAlarm Pro should be because of features it = adds, not bugs it fixes. Besides, if you'd actually read their FAQ, you'd= have found that it implies the same bugs are present in ZoneAlarm Pro. Similarly, you should not have to pay for bug fix patches or upgrades to = commercial software, only for feature-adding ones, and bundling a bug fix= with a new feature to force people to pay for the new feature even if th= ey only want to fix the bug is wrong IMO. > Better yet, why post this topic to a FractInt and Fractals Discussion > List?? Because there was a discussion of XP and talk of people upgrading NT 4.x = to XP in the hopes of running Fractint better. I wanted anyone here conte= mplating doing anything of the sort to be aware of a possible "gotcha" in= performing that upgrade. (If it really constitutes an "upgrade".) Got a problem with that?<br clear=3Dall><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN= Explorer at <a href=3D'http://go.msn.com/bql/hmtag_itl_EN.asp'>http://ex= plorer.msn.com</a><br> ------=_NextPart_001_0003_01C13668.5AA8DFC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <HTML><BODY STYLE=3D"font:10pt verdana; border:none;"><DIV>> Kind of l= ike calling the kettle black is it not, since you have already<BR>> st= ated that your own fractal generator is hard coded to the point that<BR>&= gt; one would need to modify the source and recompile to get different<BR= >> fractals.<BR></DIV> <DIV>Wrong. I haven't released my fractal gener= ator to the public. It's not even an alpha, let alone a beta or a "finish= ed and polished" program.</DIV> <DIV><BR>> But it is the FREEWARE vers= ion...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So? That cuts no ice with me. If you = do a job, I think you should do the best job you can.</DIV> <DIV> </= DIV> <DIV>[ZoneAlarm Pro]</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The reason for pay= ing for ZoneAlarm Pro should be because of features it adds, not bugs it = fixes. Besides, if you'd actually read their FAQ, you'd have found that i= t implies the same bugs are present in ZoneAlarm Pro.</DIV> <DIV> </= DIV> <DIV>Similarly, you should not have to pay for bug fix patches or up= grades to commercial software, only for feature-adding ones, and bundling= a bug fix with a new feature to force people to pay for the new feature = even if they only want to fix the bug is wrong IMO.</DIV> <DIV><BR>> B= etter yet, why post this topic to a FractInt and Fractals Discussion<BR>&= gt; List??<BR></DIV> <DIV>Because there was a discussion of XP and talk o= f people upgrading NT 4.x to XP in the hopes of running Fractint better. = I wanted anyone here contemplating doing anything of the sort to be aware= of a possible "gotcha" in performing that upgrade. (If it really constit= utes an "upgrade".)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Got a problem with that?= </DIV></BODY></HTML><DIV><BR><br clear=3Dall><hr>Get your FREE download o= f MSN Explorer at <a href=3D'http://go.msn.com/bql/hmtag_itl_EN.asp'>http= ://explorer.msn.com</a><br></DIV> ------=_NextPart_001_0003_01C13668.5AA8DFC0-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Multiple Bogeys" <neo_1061@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 03-09-01 (Not the Negative Stem [5]) Date: 06 Sep 2001 00:16:13 -0400 ------=_NextPart_001_0004_01C13669.23BC6620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > On the other hand, *this* concern seems to me rather reasonable. > Not to say that life would necessarily imitate art in this case, > but there are many writers who have explored this very scenario > at various scales. Classic examples include 2001, Colossus, > and Terminator. Seen The Matrix yet? :)<br clear=3Dall><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN = Explorer at <a href=3D'http://go.msn.com/bql/hmtag_itl_EN.asp'>http://exp= lorer.msn.com</a><br> ------=_NextPart_001_0004_01C13669.23BC6620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <HTML><BODY STYLE=3D"font:10pt verdana; border:none;"><DIV>> On the ot= her hand, *this* concern seems to me rather reasonable.<BR>> Not to sa= y that life would necessarily imitate art in this case,<BR>> but there= are many writers who have explored this very scenario<BR>> at various= scales. Classic examples include 2001, Colossus,<BR>> and Termi= nator.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Seen The Matrix yet? :)<BR></DIV></BO= DY></HTML><DIV><BR><br clear=3Dall><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Expl= orer at <a href=3D'http://go.msn.com/bql/hmtag_itl_EN.asp'>http://explore= r.msn.com</a><br></DIV> ------=_NextPart_001_0004_01C13669.23BC6620-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: (fractint) Re: C-FOTD 03-09-01 (Not the Negative Stem [5]) Date: 06 Sep 2001 00:55:18 EDT Check the philofractal list for my reply. Jim M. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken MacLean <kmaclean@ic.net> Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 03-09-01 (Not the Negative Stem [5]) Date: 06 Sep 2001 14:40:16 -0400 Programmer Dude: re intelligent robots, AI, and their takeover of humans, have you read Greg Benford's (physicist) series on that subject? A great read, the first book is, I believe, 'Great Sky River.' Benford really makes you think about the consequences of intelligent non-organic life with complete free will. -- Ken Mark Christenson wrote: > At 02:28 PM 9/5/01 -0500, Programmer Dude wrote: > >JimMuth@aol.com wrote: > > > >> On a philosophical note, I heard today that Steven Hawking, who > >> is strong on AI, has warned that man must find a way to improve > >> his DNA to give him greater intelligence. According to Hawking, > >> we must increase our intelligence to avoid the danger that > >> machines with superior intelligence will take over the world. > > > >For my money, Hawking is one of the great genii of the world....in his > >own field. Outside of it, he oft seems somewhat of a loon.... > > Oh, I don't know. > > First, as a physics BS (I know, a BS in *that* field is almost > useless), admittedly old school (class of ' 79), I find some of > his notions within his field to be somewhat loony. > > On the other hand, *this* concern seems to me rather reasonable. > Not to say that life would necessarily imitate art in this case, > but there are many writers who have explored this very scenario > at various scales. Classic examples include 2001, Colossus, > and Terminator. > > In the event that we humans succeed in creating truly conscious > computers/robots/androids/whatever, that is to say devices that > are self-aware, capable of independant and creative thinking, and > able to act on their ideas, not even Asimov's robotic laws could > save us. We would be as helpless against a brilliantly organized > robotic assault as our evolutionary cousins, including Neandertal, > were against the relentless advance of Homo Sapiens and our > ancestors. > > As a really obscure aside, I should mention a short-lived TV Sci-Fi > series that was based on such a scenario. Cleopatra 2525 was > based on the premise that in the early 21st Century flying robots > known as Baileys came to Earth and laid such an overwhelming > assault on its dominant species that all human life was driven > underground. In 2525, the timeframe of the series, the puzzle > comes together. It turns out that the Baileys were of terrestrial, > not alien, origin. Their creator, a scientist named Bailey, was an > environmental extremist who decided that the only way to save > Earth was to remove humans from its surface. His novel solution > both saved the environment and permitted the human race to > continue. > > Computers control our commerce, communication, transportation, > energy generation and distribution, medical equipment... > > ... and, of course, our fractals ;-) > > Aloha, > Bud > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: (fractint) FOTD 06-09-01 (Bits and Pieces [6]) Date: 06 Sep 2001 14:44:03 EDT Classic FOTD -- September 06, 2001 (Rating 6) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: My FOTD discussions will be shorter than usual while I am locating and assembling the early FOTD discussions for the upcoming FOTD-CD. These discussions, which were posted to the Fractal-Art list, are scattered on many disks, where they are mixed in with my other e-mail of the time. I'll start with a message I posted April 1, 1997. Though there was no FOTD before April 13 of that year, I was quite active with other fractal- related letters on the Fractal-Art list for a couple weeks before starting the FOTD. If all goes well, which it probably will not, the CD could be ready by the end of this year. Today's image pictures one of those evaporated midgets that isn't there. But even though the midget isn't there, its ghost remains, haunting the area the midget once inhabited, and can be revealed by setting the inside to something like <bof61>. This is exactly what I did in today's FOTD. A midget evaporates when the generating formula contains a negative exponent of Z, and the escape radius is raised to an extreme value. In today's image for example, the escape radius is 10^100. I named the image "Bits and Pieces" when I saw its fragmented nature. Then I rated it a 6 because IMO it is only a little above average. The image is a reasonably fast one, rendering from the parameter file in a bit under 5 minutes on my aging Pentium 200mhz machine. It will also be available on the internet within the hour at: <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html> and: <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html> The fractal weather today was absolutely perfect, with brilliantly sunny skies, dry air, and a temperature of 79F 26C. The fractal cats, who give no thought to fractals, enjoyed the perfect day. In the afternoon, a squirrel ventured into the yard. Thomas twitched his tail at the intruder, but was having too good a rest to get up and go after it. Tippy was totally out of the world, somewhere in dreamland. Well, it's once again time to get busy with other matters. Until next time, take care, and don't be artificially intelligent. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Bits_and_Pieces { ; time=0:04:52.15--SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=allinone.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 center-mag=+0.32632834999987630/+0.440403604943206\ 10/7568754/1/112.499 params=-97/-2/-291/-4/0/1e+100 float=y maxiter=600 inside=bof61 colors=000s8Ut8Xt8_u8av8dv8fw8i_hzuBisDhqFgoHfmJek\ LdiObgQaeS`cU_aWZ`YY_UU_QR_hz_JKZFGZCDZ89Z56V78R89\ OAAKBBGDDDEE9GF5HG2IHKIK6MF7OE9QEBSDCUCEWCKXBHZAP`\ AKb9Ud8Of8Zh7Rj6ck6QR6O76N88M99LAAKBBJBCICDHDEGEFF\ EGEFHDGICHJBHKEIPGJUIKYLLbNMgPNkSOpUPuWQyU_lTh`ZZW\ dPSgGQk5Sj7Qj8Pj9NjAMjCLzDJzEIiFHiGFiIEiJDzKBiLAiM\ 9jKDkJHkHKlGOlERmDVmBYnAan8do7hC_ko6kn7jm8jl9jkAjj\ BjiCjhDjgEjfEjeFjdGjcHjbIjaJj`Kj_LjZLjYMjXNjWOjVPj\ UQjTRjSSjWPqURmSSjRUgPVdOWaMYZLZWJ_TIaPGbMFcJDeGCf\ DAgA9i77j46k17f58a88XB9SE9NHAIK69Q8BOADNCEMEGLGIKH\ JJJLILMHNOGPQFRRESTDUUCWWBYYA_Z9a`8ZT0`Y4ba7deBeiE\ gmIiqLkuPlySjwRiuRgtQfrQdpPcoPamO`kOZjNYhNWfMVeMTc\ LSaLQ`KPZKMXIOYKQZLR_MT`NVaPWbQYcRZdS`eUbfVcgWehXg\ iZhj_jk`klammcondpoerpftsfspgsnhrkiriiqfjqdkpakp_l\ oXmoVnnSnnQomNptCrpHqmLpjPogTndXm``lYdkVhjSliOrjPp\ iQnhQlgo8Fp8Ip8Kq8Nr8Pr8S } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" <Paul.N.Lee@Worldnet.att.net> Subject: (fractint) Re: FOTD 06-09-01 (Bits and Pieces [6]) Date: 06 Sep 2001 15:42:27 -0500 JimMuth@aol.com wrote: > > Classic FOTD -- September 06, 2001 (Rating 6) > > I named the image "Bits and Pieces".... > You may wish to rename today's image and PAR, since there was one earlier this year with exactly the same name, using the same formula: Classic FOTD -- March 25, 2001 (Rating 3) "I went to the parent fractal of a recent FOTD, named it "Bits and Pieces", and anointed it FOTD for March 25." Later, P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: (fractint) Re: FOTD 06-09-01 (Bits and Pieces II [6]) Date: 06 Sep 2001 19:11:18 EDT >You may wish to rename today's image and PAR, since there was one >earlier this year with exactly the same name, using the same formula: Done. The name is now "Bits and Pieces II" Jim M. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" <Paul.N.Lee@Worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: FOTD 06-09-01 (Bits and Pieces [6]) Date: 06 Sep 2001 18:44:16 -0500 JimMuth@aol.com wrote: > > > You may wish to rename today's image and PAR, > > since there was one earlier this year with > > exactly the same name, using the same formula: > > Done. The name is now "Bits and Pieces II" > I guess I should have been more detailed... You have the following PARs with the same name: April 06, 1999 January 05, 2000 January 18, 2000 March 25, 2001 September 06, 2001 Sincerely, P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Margolis <rttyman@wwa.com> Subject: (fractint) Search Engines & Copyrighted Art Date: 06 Sep 2001 18:58:37 -0500 Do Search Engines Expedite the Theft of Digital Images? A report in Thursday's Circuits section from The New York Times. The article is in both the print and Web editions of the NYT. http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/06/technology/circuits/06IMAG.html (The article in the print edition is on page one of the Circuits section and is headlined, "Is Theft in the Eye of the Beholder?: Some Artists Argue That Search Engines Are Capturing Their Images for Others to Steal.") This article deals with the possibility that search engines such as Google and AltaVista may be promoting copyright infringement by allowing people using their search engines to download copyright protected artwork. You will have to subscribe to the NYT online edition to read this article. Cheers, Bob -- ************************************************** Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. --Groucho Marx ************************************************** Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: (fractint) Re: FOTD 06-09-01 (Bits and Pieces [6]) Date: 06 Sep 2001 22:22:36 EDT Paul Lee wrote: >I guess I should have been more detailed... You have the following PARs >with the same name: > April 06, 1999 > January 05, 2000 > January 18, 2000 > March 25, 2001 > September 06, 2001 Four duplications... It goes to show that the FOTD is a casual endeavor, and there's a lot of work to be done before any CD will be ready to distribute. So I'll change Jan. 05, 2000 to "Bits and Pieces II", and so on, up to Sep. 06, 2001, which will now be "Bits and Pieces V". There are likely other duplications of FOTD names. I'll handle any other duplications the same way. And I'll have to make an index to prevent future duplications. The FOTD for Sep. 07 (Olive Oil) will appear in 12 hours. Jim M. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Jones" <gnome@hawaii.rr.com> Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 03-09-01 (Not the Negative Stem [5]) Date: 06 Sep 2001 18:59:56 -1000 Read "Hyperion," and "Fall of Hyperion" by Dan Simmons. Has a novel idea of why the AI's might keep humans around. Then, going farther back, Norman Spinrad's book "The Solarians" presents a humanity that doesn't use computers for anything, because it has learned to use its brains to full capacity. Unfortunately, no fractals in either book. 8-( David gnome@hawaii.rr.com On 6 Sep 01 at 14:40, Ken MacLean wrote: > Programmer Dude: > re intelligent robots, AI, and their takeover of humans, > have you read Greg Benford's (physicist) series on that > subject? A great read, the first book is, I believe, > 'Great Sky River.' Benford really makes you think about > the consequences of intelligent non-organic life with > complete free will. -- Ken > > Mark Christenson wrote: > > > At 02:28 PM 9/5/01 -0500, Programmer Dude wrote: > > >JimMuth@aol.com wrote: > > > > > >> On a philosophical note, I heard today that Steven Hawking, who > > >> is strong on AI, has warned that man must find a way to improve > > >> his DNA to give him greater intelligence. According to Hawking, > > >> we must increase our intelligence to avoid the danger that > > >> machines with superior intelligence will take over the world. > > > > > >For my money, Hawking is one of the great genii of the world....in his > > >own field. Outside of it, he oft seems somewhat of a loon.... > > > > Oh, I don't know. > > > > First, as a physics BS (I know, a BS in *that* field is almost > > useless), admittedly old school (class of ' 79), I find some of > > his notions within his field to be somewhat loony. > > > > On the other hand, *this* concern seems to me rather reasonable. > > Not to say that life would necessarily imitate art in this case, > > but there are many writers who have explored this very scenario > > at various scales. Classic examples include 2001, Colossus, > > and Terminator. > > > > In the event that we humans succeed in creating truly conscious > > computers/robots/androids/whatever, that is to say devices that > > are self-aware, capable of independant and creative thinking, and > > able to act on their ideas, not even Asimov's robotic laws could > > save us. We would be as helpless against a brilliantly organized > > robotic assault as our evolutionary cousins, including Neandertal, > > were against the relentless advance of Homo Sapiens and our > > ancestors. > > > > As a really obscure aside, I should mention a short-lived TV Sci-Fi > > series that was based on such a scenario. Cleopatra 2525 was > > based on the premise that in the early 21st Century flying robots > > known as Baileys came to Earth and laid such an overwhelming > > assault on its dominant species that all human life was driven > > underground. In 2525, the timeframe of the series, the puzzle > > comes together. It turns out that the Baileys were of terrestrial, > > not alien, origin. Their creator, a scientist named Bailey, was an > > environmental extremist who decided that the only way to save > > Earth was to remove humans from its surface. His novel solution > > both saved the environment and permitted the human race to > > continue. > > > > Computers control our commerce, communication, transportation, > > energy generation and distribution, medical equipment... > > > > ... and, of course, our fractals ;-) Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" <Paul.N.Lee@Worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: FOTD 06-09-01 (Bits and Pieces [6]) Date: 07 Sep 2001 00:48:04 -0500 JimMuth@aol.com wrote: > > There are likely other duplications of FOTD > names. I'll handle any other duplications > the same way. And I'll have to make an index > to prevent future duplications. > Yes, there are a few names that you seem to prefer on a frequent basis, but that is expected after four and a half years of creating so many wonderful images for everyone to enjoy. I only have a problem with the image's file name, when trying to link from the web pages, so started numbering them years ago when they did duplicate. :-) I have an MS-Excel spreadsheet I started with the following columns: TITLE IMAGE PARAMETER TYPE FORMULA DATE Never got around to finishing it, but you are welcome to what I do have. Also, if I can be of any assistance with your setting up everything for the FOTD-CD, please do not hesitate to ask. And, I assume that you will be including those long sought after photographs of you and the "fractal cats"?? This could only increase the value of the CD, if not the urge to purchase one. ;-} Sincerely, P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: (fractint) FOTD 07-09-01 (Olive Oil [7]) Date: 07 Sep 2001 08:43:46 EDT Classic FOTD -- September 07, 2001 (Rating 7) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: With an end-of-week rush of work to accomplish, and a FOTD-CD to start organizing, I will have to make today's discussion a short one. While searching for a name for today's FOTD, I noticed the olive-like color of certain elements, and the overall oily texture. The name "Olive Oil" came easily. The scene of today's image is located in an elephant trunk in the East Valley area of its parent, a fractal that was created on a whim, and is worth checking. After first deciding on a rating of 6, I noticed the rather unusual sculpted textures throughout the image, and finally rated it at a 7. The parameter file renders in 39 minutes, which is annoying; the GIF image downloads in one minute, which is a pleasure. The image will be available on the web in an hour or so at: <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html> and at: <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html> With tons of sun and a temperature of 81F 27C, the fractal weather today was perfect. The cats must have agreed, for I heard no complaints from them as they passed the day alternating between the porch and yard. (Yes, the cats' photographs will be on the FOTD-CD.) I've now got to get busy. Until tomorrow, take care, and be at one with yourself. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Olive_Oil { ; time=0:39:10.60--SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=allinone.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 center-mag=+0.9662118716470037/+1.323671375848845/\ 1.635331e+009/1/-40 params=-1/-1.1/1.11/1.111/-0.1\ 5/100 float=y maxiter=5000 inside=0 logmap=700 colors=000hW_hWbkYdn_fqahtckwenxepwdnubls`jqWhoUfl\ SdjObgM_dJXaGUZFSWCQ_SRZWPY`NXdLWhIVmGUqETuCSyAUpF\ WhJY`N_TSaLWcD_`BVZARX9NV8JT7FR6BP57S8AVBDYEF`HIcK\ LfNNiQQlTToWVrZYta_u_XuZUuYSuWPuVMuUKvSHvRFvQCvO9v\ N7vM4vL2uM4tM5sM6rM7qM8pM9oNAnNBmNClNDkNEkNFjMFjLF\ jKF`TLSaRIjX9rbDpYHnTLlOOjKShFWfA_d5bb1_`4XZ6UX9RU\ BORDLOGILIFJKIOHLSFNXDQ`BTe9Vh7Yl5_o3amAbkHciOdhVe\ fVedVebVf`VfZVfXVgVVgTVgRVhPVhNVhLVhKVgLXgMZfN_fOa\ ePbeQddRfdRgcSicTjbUlbVnaWoaXqaXr`Zq_`q_bqZdqYfqYh\ qXjqWlpWnpVppUrpUtpTupXvp`ws_toaqifm_kgPpaItWCoQHj\ KLfFPaATXEYF0FOMeJQiFUmJSkMQiQOgTMeXKccIrcG_fEYmCX\ rDUzPSpNQhELSEGJECBE73E3HTBVUJhUQaUTVUVOWYHY_J_ZLa\ YNcXOeWQgV`Hl`HjaHgaHebHbbH`cHYcHWdHTdHRcJQcKPcMPc\ NOcPOcQNcSMcTMcVLcWLcYKcZKdVOeRUfPZgQchRgiSjjTnkUr\ lVtmWunXvoYwqZxs_yu`zwazybzzczzczzczzczzczzczzczzc\ zzczzczzczzczzczzczzczzcz } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Weitzel <weitzel@ldknet.org> Subject: Re: (fractint) Search Engines & Copyrighted Art Date: 07 Sep 2001 12:09:22 +0200 Am Donnerstag, den 06. September 2001, um 18:58h schrieb Bob Margolis: > Do Search Engines Expedite the Theft of Digital Images? > > A report in Thursday's Circuits section from The New York > Times. > > The article is in both the print and Web editions of the NYT. > > http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/06/technology/circuits/06IMAG.html > > (The article in the print edition is on page one of the > Circuits section and is headlined, "Is Theft in the Eye of the > Beholder?: Some Artists Argue That Search Engines Are > Capturing Their Images for Others to Steal.") > > This article deals with the possibility that search engines > such as Google and AltaVista may be promoting copyright > infringement by allowing people using their search engines > to download copyright protected artwork. > > You will have to subscribe to the NYT online edition to read > this article. my personal opinion: * Concerning the Internet, there is no difference between "looking at", "downloading" and "copying". * Why don't artists apply software-like licenses to their digital images? digital images *are* "soft ware". copying digital data is much easier than copying books ("hard ware") for example. A kind of splash screen presenting such a license would be the result (giving the users the chance of accepting or rejecting before viewing). * there is probably only one solution for those worried artists: they should keep their work off the internet an exhibit it in a room with blackened windows. ;-) Search engines are a "key technology". They make possible that the Art is viewed by the publicness at all. -- Michael --- http://www.ldknet.org/hp/mweitzel/ *Weitzel* --- email: michael(at)ldknet.org Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: harry <harrybissell@prodigy.net> Subject: Re: (fractint) Search Engines & Copyrighted Art Date: 07 Sep 2001 17:28:28 -0400 <delurk mode> It seems to me that the issue of "Copyrighted Works" on the internet is kind of silly. If you want to protect the work for commercial reasons... it should NOT be on the internet at all. Perhaps a small image of it... resolution crippled ... is OK. I remember looking for an image of "American Gothic" on the internet. I found the original (with a REALLY BAD warning about what would happen to me if I downloaded it...) as well as a web site with several hundred PARODY images of the artwork. Ha Ha HAH !!! Once something is on the internet its probably fair game for most non-commercial use. The "Fair Use" doctrine will protect almose everyone who can prove a valid copyright claim (as in they have registered the copyright and are therefore entitled to damages). If I download your image, print it and hang it on my wall... too bad. If I put it on an album cover or cereal box... then its my @ss. As far as "licence" goes... I purchased a disk of "clip art"... and when I read the licence it forbade me to put those pictures on my web site.... Hmmmm. As Ian Pace (of Deep Purple) once said " I bought it... I'll bloody well boot it" So I did. Let them sue me !!! If I'm 'small potatoes' I am beneath notice... if I'm the Big Cheeze... then I have the power to deal with them as equals.... Yes... Blackened Windows !!! If you want to keep it a secret... just don't post it. H^) harry <lurk mode resume> Michael Weitzel wrote: > Am Donnerstag, den 06. September 2001, um 18:58h schrieb Bob Margolis: > > > Do Search Engines Expedite the Theft of Digital Images? > > > > A report in Thursday's Circuits section from The New York > > Times. > > > > The article is in both the print and Web editions of the NYT. > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/06/technology/circuits/06IMAG.html > > > > (The article in the print edition is on page one of the > > Circuits section and is headlined, "Is Theft in the Eye of the > > Beholder?: Some Artists Argue That Search Engines Are > > Capturing Their Images for Others to Steal.") > > > > This article deals with the possibility that search engines > > such as Google and AltaVista may be promoting copyright > > infringement by allowing people using their search engines > > to download copyright protected artwork. > > > > You will have to subscribe to the NYT online edition to read > > this article. > > my personal opinion: > > * Concerning the Internet, there is no difference between "looking at", > "downloading" and "copying". > > * Why don't artists apply software-like licenses to their digital > images? digital images *are* "soft ware". copying digital data is > much easier than copying books ("hard ware") for example. A kind of > splash screen presenting such a license would be the result (giving > the users the chance of accepting or rejecting before viewing). > > * there is probably only one solution for those worried artists: they > should keep their work off the internet an exhibit it in a room with > blackened windows. ;-) Search engines are a "key technology". They > make possible that the Art is viewed by the publicness at all. > -- > Michael --- http://www.ldknet.org/hp/mweitzel/ > *Weitzel* --- email: michael(at)ldknet.org > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken MacLean <kmaclean@ic.net> Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 03-09-01 (Not the Negative Stem [5]) Date: 07 Sep 2001 19:43:13 -0400 David -- I quite agree with you on the Dan Simmons books. Have you read the 2 sequels "Endymion" and "The Rise of Endymion"? Both excellent. Speaking of fractals, what's the best fractal book you have read? I read through some of Peitgens "The Science of Fractal Images", understanding about 10% of it, and I am now getting through "Fractal Creations" by Wegner. Any fractal books you could recommend? I'm wondering how dense is the Mandelbrot book "The Fractal Geometry of Nature." I don't feel like mis-understanding my way through a lot of higher math. -- Ken David Jones wrote: > Read "Hyperion," and "Fall of Hyperion" by Dan Simmons. > Has a novel idea of why the AI's might keep humans > around. > > Then, going farther back, Norman Spinrad's book "The > Solarians" presents a humanity that doesn't use computers > for anything, because it has learned to use its brains to > full capacity. > > Unfortunately, no fractals in either book. 8-( > > David > gnome@hawaii.rr.com > > On 6 Sep 01 at 14:40, Ken MacLean wrote: > > > Programmer Dude: > > re intelligent robots, AI, and their takeover of humans, > > have you read Greg Benford's (physicist) series on that > > subject? A great read, the first book is, I believe, > > 'Great Sky River.' Benford really makes you think about > > the consequences of intelligent non-organic life with > > complete free will. -- Ken > > > > Mark Christenson wrote: > > > > > At 02:28 PM 9/5/01 -0500, Programmer Dude wrote: > > > >JimMuth@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > >> On a philosophical note, I heard today that Steven Hawking, who > > > >> is strong on AI, has warned that man must find a way to improve > > > >> his DNA to give him greater intelligence. According to Hawking, > > > >> we must increase our intelligence to avoid the danger that > > > >> machines with superior intelligence will take over the world. > > > > > > > >For my money, Hawking is one of the great genii of the world....in his > > > >own field. Outside of it, he oft seems somewhat of a loon.... > > > > > > Oh, I don't know. > > > > > > First, as a physics BS (I know, a BS in *that* field is almost > > > useless), admittedly old school (class of ' 79), I find some of > > > his notions within his field to be somewhat loony. > > > > > > On the other hand, *this* concern seems to me rather reasonable. > > > Not to say that life would necessarily imitate art in this case, > > > but there are many writers who have explored this very scenario > > > at various scales. Classic examples include 2001, Colossus, > > > and Terminator. > > > > > > In the event that we humans succeed in creating truly conscious > > > computers/robots/androids/whatever, that is to say devices that > > > are self-aware, capable of independant and creative thinking, and > > > able to act on their ideas, not even Asimov's robotic laws could > > > save us. We would be as helpless against a brilliantly organized > > > robotic assault as our evolutionary cousins, including Neandertal, > > > were against the relentless advance of Homo Sapiens and our > > > ancestors. > > > > > > As a really obscure aside, I should mention a short-lived TV Sci-Fi > > > series that was based on such a scenario. Cleopatra 2525 was > > > based on the premise that in the early 21st Century flying robots > > > known as Baileys came to Earth and laid such an overwhelming > > > assault on its dominant species that all human life was driven > > > underground. In 2525, the timeframe of the series, the puzzle > > > comes together. It turns out that the Baileys were of terrestrial, > > > not alien, origin. Their creator, a scientist named Bailey, was an > > > environmental extremist who decided that the only way to save > > > Earth was to remove humans from its surface. His novel solution > > > both saved the environment and permitted the human race to > > > continue. > > > > > > Computers control our commerce, communication, transportation, > > > energy generation and distribution, medical equipment... > > > > > > ... and, of course, our fractals ;-) > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Jones" <gnome@hawaii.rr.com> Subject: Best fractal book? was Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 03-09-01 (Not the Date: 07 Sep 2001 20:19:22 -1000 On 7 Sep 01 at 19:43, Ken MacLean wrote: > David -- > I quite agree with you on the Dan Simmons books. Have > you read the 2 sequels "Endymion" and "The Rise of > Endymion"? Both excellent. I've glanced at them. Someday I'll read them, but to me they have the feel of an unnecessary sequel. Could just be something personal - I tend to like stories that lead up to a major change in the world or person, and have generally been disappointed with stories that try to take that great change and "work out the consequences" of it. Usually they take something that I imagine as transcendental, and turn it into the mundane ... > Speaking of fractals, what's the best fractal book you > have read? I read through some of Peitgens "The Science > of Fractal Images", understanding about 10% of it, I glanced at that one, decided it was too deep for me. > and I am now getting through "Fractal Creations" by > Wegner. Never even seen a copy of that one! > Any fractal books you could recommend? I particularly enjoyed "Turbulent Mirror," but it's not about fractals per se. It's about chaos and order, and how they seem to be connected at the deepest levels, so that each gives rise to the other. > I'm wondering how dense is the Mandelbrot book "The > Fractal Geometry of Nature." I don't feel like > mis-understanding my way through a lot of higher math. I'm reading through that. So far, not much in the way of math. A lot of M Mandelbrot's intellectual arrogance, kind of the attitude that he invented everything connected with fractal geometry, that everybody else doing any work in the field has it all wrong, and that his fractal theory explains everything throughout science, etc, etc. There was another book I read on chaos and fractals, I forget the name of it at the moment. It was good, too. I'll have to see if I remember the name. David gnome@hawaii.rr.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Christenson <mchris@value.net> Subject: Re: Best fractal book? was Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 03-09-01 Date: 08 Sep 2001 00:35:08 -0700 At 08:19 PM 9/7/01 -1000, you wrote: >On 7 Sep 01 at 19:43, Ken MacLean wrote: >> >> Any fractal books you could recommend? >>... >> I don't feel like >> mis-understanding my way through a lot of higher math. My favorite (I own a 2nd ed. copy) is Michael Barnsley's "Fractals Everywhere". It does get "dense", but has sufficient visual examples throughout so that you don't have to be a math major to get something out of it. It is my Bible for affine transformations. Barnsley (and his graduate students) created fractal image compression software, initially for DARPA, which later went commercial with his company Iterated Systems. The book is a math text, and therefore pricey, but it and other Academic Press textbooks are available at a discount through educational and other promotional programs. I got mine (about 35% off, I think) at a VR exposition a few years back. Regards, Bud Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth <jamth@mindspring.com> Subject: (fractint) FOTD 08-09-01 (Midget Melee [6]) Date: 08 Sep 2001 10:29:37 -0400 (EDT) Classic FOTD -- September 08, 2001 (Rating 6) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: Today's disordered and confused image defied naming. While studying it, I could find no theme to hang a name on. In the end I was overwhelmed by the confusion throughout the image, and named it "Midget Melee". The parent fractal, which results when 1/Z is subtracted from 0.5 part of Z^2, appears as a twisted Mandeloid surrounded by much debris and many zig-zagging filaments. Today's scene is located in the suburbs of a larger midget, which in turn is located in an area of chaotic debris on a broad filament on the northwest outskirts of the main mandeloid. I rated the picture at a 6, the most convenient rating to use for an image whose true worth is ambiguous. The parameter file renders in somewhat more than 7 minutes on my tired old Pentium 200mhz machine. (BTW, whatever happened to megacycles?) For those who wait an hour or so, the GIF image will be available on the web at: <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html> and at: <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html> The fractal weather today was perfect, at least for the cats. It's getting quite dry for the growing plants however. The brilliant sun, gentle breezes and temperature of 84F 29C was good for just about anything, while the dry atmosphere made perspiration quite effective as a means of cooling those who over-exerted themselves. I see it's now time for me to stop thinking about fractals and artificial intelligence, and start exerting myself, at least a little. The fractal grass is starting to sway in the wind. Until next time, which will be tomorrow, take care, and be at peace in one piece. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Midget_Melee { ; time=0:07:13.03--SF5 on a p200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=allinone.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=ident passes=1 center-mag=+0.99638278072114950/+0.744021253403071\ 80/3.528234e+011/1/17.557/-0.002 params=0.5/2/-1/\ -1/0/0 float=y maxiter=900 inside=0 logmap=149 colors=000E005000200300500700903B0HG0HJ0HN0MR0SU0U\ Y0MT0PJ0`90g00m00cgT0q0Cb0YO0q70z00e0MmEZtRizctzpz\ zzzzeznJqqJgsJYtJMvJCeKZOMsURp`Wmg`ikegqicwn`zsYzw\ UzwTswRkwPewOOyT7zY0z`0se0ki5cnBYqGPvKHzPBzpUmzmWz\ gZz`bzUezOhzHkzCmzp0sv0iz0Zz5PzCh2zk7znBzqEztJwwMq\ zPk0YZOmUpzRzzOzzPzzRzzRzzTzzUzzUzzWzzWzYGz00z00v0\ 0m00c00U00K20B309CO9Ks9RzKWzU`zeeyniqwnizykzzkzzkp\ y0tw0yv0zv5ztCzsJzsOztMwvKnvJewJUyHKyGBzE0zE0T`00t\ 73yOEzcOzYJwRGnKCeG9W95M22C002777HGBPOGZUJgbOpiRwp\ UzzPzzYzzczzizzpzzvzzzzzzzzzmwqKbU0H50BP03h20z50z7\ 0z70z90z90zB0zB0zWUURWTOWRKYPHYOCYM9ZK5ZJ2ZJ5`K9`M\ C`MGbOJbOMbPObPzO0nH5bBJP5WbOUmeTwvRzzPszJcwCOq77k\ 00m02m0Em2Pm3OmBMmGKmKJnPHpUGqZEscGvWHyPJzHKzBMz2O\ z0Oz0Wz2bzEhzPnz`tzkzzvzzzzzzvzzgzzRzzKzzGzzBzz3zz\ 0zz0zz0zw9zvTztkzszzqszikzbbzUUzMKzECz53z0Gzzqz`sz\ UszPszJszEsz7gz0Zz0Tz0Kz0 } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "b.rankin" <b.rankin@ntlworld.com> Subject: Re: Best fractal book? was Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 03-09-01 (Not the Date: 08 Sep 2001 10:42:49 +0100 Hi. Have you tried Chaos and Fractals.New Frontiers of science,by Peitgen Jurgens and Saup.A heavy tome indeed.Difficult and mathematically over my head.But has lovely pictures and good basic programs of the chapters. Brian Rankin. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 7:19 AM > On 7 Sep 01 at 19:43, Ken MacLean wrote: > > > David -- > > I quite agree with you on the Dan Simmons books. Have > > you read the 2 sequels "Endymion" and "The Rise of > > Endymion"? Both excellent. > > I've glanced at them. Someday I'll read them, but to me > they have the feel of an unnecessary sequel. Could just be > something personal - I tend to like stories that lead up > to a major change in the world or person, and have > generally been disappointed with stories that try to take > that great change and "work out the consequences" of it. > Usually they take something that I imagine as > transcendental, and turn it into the mundane ... > > > Speaking of fractals, what's the best fractal book you > > have read? I read through some of Peitgens "The Science > > of Fractal Images", understanding about 10% of it, > > I glanced at that one, decided it was too deep for me. > > > and I am now getting through "Fractal Creations" by > > Wegner. > > Never even seen a copy of that one! > > > Any fractal books you could recommend? > > I particularly enjoyed "Turbulent Mirror," but it's not > about fractals per se. It's about chaos and order, and > how they seem to be connected at the deepest levels, so > that each gives rise to the other. > > > I'm wondering how dense is the Mandelbrot book "The > > Fractal Geometry of Nature." I don't feel like > > mis-understanding my way through a lot of higher math. > > I'm reading through that. So far, not much in the way of > math. A lot of M Mandelbrot's intellectual arrogance, > kind of the attitude that he invented everything > connected with fractal geometry, that everybody else > doing any work in the field has it all wrong, and that > his fractal theory explains everything throughout > science, etc, etc. > > There was another book I read on chaos and fractals, I > forget the name of it at the moment. It was good, too. > I'll have to see if I remember the name. > > David > gnome@hawaii.rr.com > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken MacLean <kmaclean@ic.net> Subject: Re: Best fractal book? was Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 03-09-01 (Not the Date: 08 Sep 2001 21:52:21 -0400 David Jones wrote: > > I've glanced at them. Someday I'll read them, but to me > they have the feel of an unnecessary sequel. Could just be > something personal - I tend to like stories that lead up > to a major change in the world or person, and have > generally been disappointed with stories that try to take > that great change and "work out the consequences" of it. > Usually they take something that I imagine as > transcendental, and turn it into the mundane ... I agree. The 3rd book starts slowly but I can tell you that the 4th book ends with a bang -- an entirely different, but I think accurate, concept of the future potential of humanity. Not the same tired old "merging with technology" bullshit, but a real tour-de-force of the awesome power of life. Done in Simmon's original way. > > > > > I'm wondering how dense is the Mandelbrot book "The > > Fractal Geometry of Nature." I don't feel like > > mis-understanding my way through a lot of higher math. > > I'm reading through that. So far, not much in the way of > math. A lot of M Mandelbrot's intellectual arrogance, > kind of the attitude that he invented everything > connected with fractal geometry, that everybody else > doing any work in the field has it all wrong, and that > his fractal theory explains everything throughout > science, etc, etc. Thanks for that. You do get weary reading about someone else's ego. I can forget about that one. The Wegner book is all about how to operate fractint. It's out of print but I picked up a used copy from Amazon. Pretty well written. -- Ken > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken MacLean <kmaclean@ic.net> Subject: Re: Best fractal book? was Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 03-09-01 (Not the Date: 08 Sep 2001 21:54:18 -0400 Thanks for that. I thought about getting the Barnsley book, but I am a little wary of tackling that IFS stuff. I can't even make much sense out of the fractint code! -- ken Mark Christenson wrote: > At 08:19 PM 9/7/01 -1000, you wrote: > >On 7 Sep 01 at 19:43, Ken MacLean wrote: > >> > >> Any fractal books you could recommend? > >>... > >> I don't feel like > >> mis-understanding my way through a lot of higher math. > > My favorite (I own a 2nd ed. copy) is Michael Barnsley's > "Fractals Everywhere". It does get "dense", but has > sufficient visual examples throughout so that you don't > have to be a math major to get something out of it. It is > my Bible for affine transformations. Barnsley (and his > graduate students) created fractal image compression > software, initially for DARPA, which later went commercial > with his company Iterated Systems. > > The book is a math text, and therefore pricey, but it and > other Academic Press textbooks are available at a discount > through educational and other promotional programs. I got > mine (about 35% off, I think) at a VR exposition a few years > back. > > Regards, > Bud > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken MacLean <kmaclean@ic.net> Subject: Re: Best fractal book? was Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 03-09-01 (Not the Date: 08 Sep 2001 21:57:59 -0400 Holy cow that Peitgen guy has another math-heavy book on fractals! I tried reading "The Science of Fractal Images" but the math was just too much. I'll check out the "Chaos and Fractals" book though, thaks for the recommendation. I just keep thinking that if I could just figure out the fractint code, I'd know most everything about fractals... I know there are guys that can read code like it was a dime novel, but I'm not one of them... -- Ken "b.rankin" wrote: > Hi. Have you tried Chaos and Fractals.New Frontiers of science,by Peitgen > Jurgens and Saup.A heavy tome indeed.Difficult and mathematically over my > head.But has lovely pictures and good basic programs of the chapters. > Brian Rankin. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Jones" <gnome@hawaii.rr.com> > To: <fractint@lists.xmission.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 7:19 AM > Subject: Best fractal book? was Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 03-09-01 (Not the > > > On 7 Sep 01 at 19:43, Ken MacLean wrote: > > > > > David -- > > > I quite agree with you on the Dan Simmons books. Have > > > you read the 2 sequels "Endymion" and "The Rise of > > > Endymion"? Both excellent. > > > > I've glanced at them. Someday I'll read them, but to me > > they have the feel of an unnecessary sequel. Could just be > > something personal - I tend to like stories that lead up > > to a major change in the world or person, and have > > generally been disappointed with stories that try to take > > that great change and "work out the consequences" of it. > > Usually they take something that I imagine as > > transcendental, and turn it into the mundane ... > > > > > Speaking of fractals, what's the best fractal book you > > > have read? I read through some of Peitgens "The Science > > > of Fractal Images", understanding about 10% of it, > > > > I glanced at that one, decided it was too deep for me. > > > > > and I am now getting through "Fractal Creations" by > > > Wegner. > > > > Never even seen a copy of that one! > > > > > Any fractal books you could recommend? > > > > I particularly enjoyed "Turbulent Mirror," but it's not > > about fractals per se. It's about chaos and order, and > > how they seem to be connected at the deepest levels, so > > that each gives rise to the other. > > > > > I'm wondering how dense is the Mandelbrot book "The > > > Fractal Geometry of Nature." I don't feel like > > > mis-understanding my way through a lot of higher math. > > > > I'm reading through that. So far, not much in the way of > > math. A lot of M Mandelbrot's intellectual arrogance, > > kind of the attitude that he invented everything > > connected with fractal geometry, that everybody else > > doing any work in the field has it all wrong, and that > > his fractal theory explains everything throughout > > science, etc, etc. > > > > There was another book I read on chaos and fractals, I > > forget the name of it at the moment. It was good, too. > > I'll have to see if I remember the name. > > > > David > > gnome@hawaii.rr.com > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bmc1@airmail.net Subject: (fractint) There's no best fractal book, but lots of good ones Date: 08 Sep 2001 23:13:21 -0500 <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> Advice to the weary: <p>Peitgen, Jurgens and Saupe's book(s) are reference-type books; at the least, they expect the reader to have a grad-school level familiarity w/ mathematics. They are (I think) universally acknowledged to be among the best - if not <u>the</u> best - compendia of their type - given their age - but absolutely the <u>last</u> place for the mathematically faint-of-heart or those of us (like me) who are less than sophisticated in computer science. <p>By all means, check out Barnsley, as has been suggested. <p>But first, <b>RUN to Amazon.com's website and</b> <br><b>1) look up "fractals",</b> <br><b>2) read the "Reviews", and</b> <br><b>3) look at the Ratings (1->5 stars).</b><b></b> <p>Then choose, purchase and read the highest-rated, least-expensive 5 books characterized as "introductory level" by their readers. No need to reinvent the wheel. <p>Amazon's site has the often-overlooked benefit of including the <u>un-edited comments made by individual readers</u> - people with a wide variety of professional and academic backgrounds - <u>as well as</u> "Comments" made by professional ("trade") reviewers who are paid to say that all books published by their employer-of-the-instant are wonderful and comprehensible by all. <p>So you can differentiate the expensive books w/ narrow focus or tough math from the ones that really were useful to the largest number of readers. <p>Both this site's Homepage and the Fractint, UltraFractal, and ChaosPro Homepages have Bibliographies as well, if I'm not mistaken, in which more expert opinions are rendered by people who <u>really</u> know fractals tick. <p>Further, you can get find numerous additional "Lists of Books about Fractals" at the amazon.com site (look at the right-hand margin), as well heaps of other input by simply Google-izing the word "fractal" [i.e., go to <www.google.com>, input "fractal" and you'll get thousands of hits.] <p>D. Freed <br> <br> <br> <br> <p>Ken MacLean wrote: <blockquote TYPE=CITE>Holy cow that Peitgen guy has another math-heavy book on fractals! I tried <br>reading "The Science of Fractal Images" but the math was just too much. I'll <br>check out the "Chaos and Fractals" book though, thaks for the recommendation. <br>I just keep thinking that if I could just figure out the fractint code, I'd <br>know most everything about fractals... I know there are guys that can read <br>code like it was a dime novel, but I'm not one of them... <br>-- Ken <p>"b.rankin" wrote: <p>> Hi. Have you tried Chaos and Fractals.New Frontiers of science,by Peitgen <br>> Jurgens and Saup.A heavy tome indeed.Difficult and mathematically over my <br>> head.But has lovely pictures and good basic programs of the chapters. <br>> Brian Rankin. <br>> ----- Original Message ----- <br>> From: "David Jones" <gnome@hawaii.rr.com> <br>> To: <fractint@lists.xmission.com> <br>> Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 7:19 AM <br>> Subject: Best fractal book? was Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 03-09-01 (Not the <br>> <br>> > On 7 Sep 01 at 19:43, Ken MacLean wrote: <br>> > <br>> > > David -- <br>> > > I quite agree with you on the Dan Simmons books. Have <br>> > > you read the 2 sequels "Endymion" and "The Rise of <br>> > > Endymion"? Both excellent. <br>> > <br>> > I've glanced at them. Someday I'll read them, but to me <br>> > they have the feel of an unnecessary sequel. Could just be <br>> > something personal - I tend to like stories that lead up <br>> > to a major change in the world or person, and have <br>> > generally been disappointed with stories that try to take <br>> > that great change and "work out the consequences" of it. <br>> > Usually they take something that I imagine as <br>> > transcendental, and turn it into the mundane ... <br>> > <br>> > > Speaking of fractals, what's the best fractal book you <br>> > > have read? I read through some of Peitgens "The Science <br>> > > of Fractal Images", understanding about 10% of it, <br>> > <br>> > I glanced at that one, decided it was too deep for me. <br>> > <br>> > > and I am now getting through "Fractal Creations" by <br>> > > Wegner. <br>> > <br>> > Never even seen a copy of that one! <br>> > <br>> > > Any fractal books you could recommend? <br>> > <br>> > I particularly enjoyed "Turbulent Mirror," but it's not <br>> > about fractals per se. It's about chaos and order, and <br>> > how they seem to be connected at the deepest levels, so <br>> > that each gives rise to the other. <br>> > <br>> > > I'm wondering how dense is the Mandelbrot book "The <br>> > > Fractal Geometry of Nature." I don't feel like <br>> > > mis-understanding my way through a lot of higher math. <br>> > <br>> > I'm reading through that. So far, not much in the way of <br>> > math. A lot of M Mandelbrot's intellectual arrogance, <br>> > kind of the attitude that he invented everything <br>> > connected with fractal geometry, that everybody else <br>> > doing any work in the field has it all wrong, and that <br>> > his fractal theory explains everything throughout <br>> > science, etc, etc. <br>> > <br>> > There was another book I read on chaos and fractals, I <br>> > forget the name of it at the moment. It was good, too. <br>> > I'll have to see if I remember the name. <br>> > <br>> > David <br>> > gnome@hawaii.rr.com <br>> > <br>> > <br>> > -------------------------------------------------------------- <br>> > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List <br>> > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com <br>> > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" <br>> > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org <br>> > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" <br>> > <br>> <br>> -------------------------------------------------------------- <br>> Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List <br>> Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com <br>> Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" <br>> Administrator: twegner@fractint.org <br>> Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" <p>-------------------------------------------------------------- <br>Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List <br>Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com <br>Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" <br>Administrator: twegner@fractint.org <br>Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint"</blockquote> </html> Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Jones" <gnome@hawaii.rr.com> Subject: Re: Best fractal book? was Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 03-09-01 (Not Date: 08 Sep 2001 21:16:44 -1000 On 8 Sep 01 at 21:52, Ken MacLean wrote: > David Jones wrote: > > > I've glanced at them. Someday I'll read them, but to me > > they have the feel of an unnecessary sequel. Could just be > > something personal - I tend to like stories that lead up > > to a major change in the world or person, and have > > generally been disappointed with stories that try to take > > that great change and "work out the consequences" of it. > > Usually they take something that I imagine as > > transcendental, and turn it into the mundane ... > > I agree. The 3rd book starts slowly but I can tell you > that the 4th book ends with a bang -- an entirely > different, but I think accurate, concept of the future > potential of humanity. Not the same tired old "merging > with technology" bullshit, but a real tour-de-force of > the awesome power of life. Done in Simmon's original > way. Hmmm, sounds like I should go check them out. Thanks! > > > I'm wondering how dense is the Mandelbrot book "The > > > Fractal Geometry of Nature." I don't feel like > > > mis-understanding my way through a lot of higher math. > > > > I'm reading through that. So far, not much in the way of > > math. A lot of M Mandelbrot's intellectual arrogance, > > kind of the attitude that he invented everything > > connected with fractal geometry, that everybody else > > doing any work in the field has it all wrong, and that > > his fractal theory explains everything throughout > > science, etc, etc. > > Thanks for that. You do get weary reading about someone > else's ego. I can forget about that one. Actually, one thing I do like about it is that encyclopaedic survey of research areas that could be or have been benefited by fractal theory. I got to the point where I just sort of automatically ignored the arrogance. He has since proved wrong in many of his assertions, but it was still interesting. > The Wegner book is all about how to operate fractint. > It's out of print but I picked up a used copy from > Amazon. Pretty well written. -- Ken Hey, Tim, when you coming out with a new edition? David gnome@hawaii.rr.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David Jones" <gnome@hawaii.rr.com> Subject: Re: Best fractal book? was Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 03-09-01 (Not Date: 08 Sep 2001 21:16:43 -1000 On 8 Sep 01 at 21:57, Ken MacLean wrote: > I just keep thinking that if I could just figure out > the fractint code, I'd know most everything about > fractals... I know there are guys that can read code > like it was a dime novel, but I'm not one of them... I haven't been able to read Assembler code since I quit programming my old Commodore 64's 6510 processor! For that kind of speed and closness to hardware, I prefer Forth. But that's about as unreadable as Assembler! ;-) The only fractal generator I ever wrote was done in Commodore BASIC and generated 320x200x4 color basic Mandelbrots. At an incredibly slow rate! I wish I'd written it in Forth instead. I had Forth programs that could change C64 color registers faster than the video chip could display the changes ... David gnome@hawaii.rr.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: (fractint) FOTD 09-09-01 (Somber Enigma [7]) Date: 09 Sep 2001 10:59:20 EDT FOTD -- September 09, 2001 (Rating 7) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: I like dark blues and violets -- they're so . . . somber. Coincidentally, today's image happens to be filled with dark blues, making it somber; and all fractals are an enigma, making the name "Somber Enigma" appropriate for today's image, which also resembles a spiral galaxy with stars glittering along its arms. The formula that worked the somber, star-spangled mischief is one of the most simple -- (1/Z)+10(Z^(-10))+(1/C). It has no fractional exponents or fancy trig functions that promise much but deliver little. All it does is make a fractal with a Mandel-bud at the east end. Today's midget is located in a broken-off fragment of filament extending northeast from that bud. The rating of 7 may be a bit liberal, but I do appreciate dark, somber colors, so I feel the rating is justified. The draw time of 6-1/2 minutes is a trifle slow, but can be avoided by downloading the GIF image from: <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html> or from: <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html> The downloads will be ready in an hour or so. The fractal weather today was once again perfect, with deep blue skies, fluffy white clouds, gentle breezes, low humidity, and a temperature of 84F 29C. The fractal cats revelled in the perfection. The fractal grass is trimmed, but much work must be done on gathering and editing the material for the upcoming FOTD CD. If I find I need help, I won't hesitate to ask for it. So until next time, take care, and be patient. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Somber_Enigma { ; time=0:06:27.83--SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=allinone.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 center-mag=+1.22714761567061600/+0.126765846837644\ 70/7.989414e+008/1/4.999 params=1/-1/10/-10/0/0 float=y maxiter=1200 inside=0 logmap=128 colors=00007B07B07C07D07E07F07G07H08H08I08I08J08J0\ 8K08K07L07L06M06M05N05N04O04O03P03P15Q27R39R4BT5DS\ 6FU7HT8IV5LT2LW5OW7OY9S_CRaEVcGWeI`fLbgNehPgiRhjSi\ kUjlWkmYln_moanpcoqeprgqsirtksumtvouwqvxswyuyzwzzz\ zzyyyxxwwwuvvsuuqtuosumrukrrirogrqertdrwfqyhqvewtb\ zr_wpXrnUmkRhiOcfLacI_`FYXCWU9UR6RO3RL1QL5PK8QMCSP\ FTRJVTMUVQUWTTWWSX_RXbQXfPYiOYmNYpNYsMUrMRqMOqLLpL\ IpLFoLCoF``9xNAwLBvJBuICtGCsFDrDEqCEqAFp9Fo7Gn6Hm4\ Hl3Ik1Ik0Hl4Hl7HmAGmDGmHGnKFnNFoQFoUEoXEp_EpbEpeGi\ aHbYJXUKQRMKNNDJO7GP9JQAMRCOSDRTFUUGWVIZWJaXLcYMcZ\ Oc_Pc`RcaScaTcaScaXZa`UadPahK_lFWpBStAPx9ccp_cjXcd\ TcZQcTMcNJcHFcBCd6HeCMfHQgNVhS_iYcjbbk`alZamY`nW`o\ V_pT_qS_rUasVctWeuYgvZiw_kx`mydozhqzctz_wzVzzRzzMz\ zIzzDzz9zz8zz8zzCzzGzzKzzOzzSzzWzz_zzbzz`zzZzzazzc\ zzezzhzzjzzlzzizzfzzdzzbzz`zzZzzXzzWzzRzzJzzGzzDzz\ GzzIzzKzzMzzOzzQzzSzzUzzW } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Multiple Bogeys" <neo_1061@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 03-09-01 (Not the Negative Stem [5]) Date: 09 Sep 2001 17:10:56 -0400 ------=_NextPart_001_0003_01C13952.63D528A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Asimov. 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If you're a greedy sod who wants to force everyone to pay money to see= the image, don't put the full size version online, unless protected by passwords or whatever. Then make it secure. 2. Otherwise, by all means put it on the net, but if you want to be alway= s credited as the original author, watermark it and put a discreet bit of text naming you in one corner. Then plagiarism i= s easily proved if it comes to your attention, and it can easily be shown that you are not the plagiariser.<br clear=3Dall><= hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href=3D'http://go.msn.com= /bql/hmtag_itl_EN.asp'>http://explorer.msn.com</a><br> ------=_NextPart_001_0004_01C13953.66D3A620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <HTML><BODY STYLE=3D"font:10pt verdana; border:none;"><DIV>Simple solutio= n.</DIV> <DIV>1. If you're a greedy sod who wants to force everyone to pa= y money to see the image, don't put the full size version online,</DIV> <= DIV> unless protected by passwords or whatever. Then mak= e it secure.</DIV> <DIV>2. Otherwise, by all means put it on the net, but= if you want to be always credited as the original author, watermark it a= nd</DIV> <DIV> put a discreet bit of text naming you in = one corner. Then plagiarism is easily proved if it comes to your attentio= n, and it</DIV> <DIV> can easily be shown that you are not th= e plagiariser.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV></BODY></HTML><DIV><BR><br clear=3D= all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href=3D'http://go.ms= n.com/bql/hmtag_itl_EN.asp'>http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></DIV> ------=_NextPart_001_0004_01C13953.66D3A620-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Multiple Bogeys" <neo_1061@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Best fractal book? was Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 03-09-01 (Not Date: 09 Sep 2001 17:31:36 -0400 ------=_NextPart_001_0005_01C13955.47853480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > I haven't been able to read Assembler code since I quit > programming my old Commodore 64's 6510 processor! Me too. > The only fractal generator I ever wrote was done in > Commodore BASIC and generated 320x200x4 color basic > Mandelbrots. At an incredibly slow rate! Typed one in from a magazine. Later wrote another that output to a color = plotter. Then an Amiga 500 BASIC one that could generate 320x240x32 color= -- later also fake 64 color by checkerboarding every other band with 2 a= djacent colors. This could save bitmaps (later with RLE compression) and = load them, and resume. Graphical zoom box. Multiple fractal types. Then I= had PC compatibles and out came an assortment of QBasic proggies, follow= ed by a bunch written in C. Now those are FAST. One C program implements = the MDisk algorithm from the Science of Fractal Images, with disks inside= and outside the Set, and gives very fast previews. Another does a bounda= ry trace with distance estimator, and uses MDisk to skip around the image= borders when it has to cross areas of the Set interior or exterior. It's= the fastest I've ever seen at generating a complete monochrome DEM image= . (The fast previewing one takes slightly longer to generate the final im= age but you get a good idea of what it will look like much sooner.) Neith= er of these are polished programs ready for release though -- both are en= gines to which I've attached a number of extremely simple drivers for tes= ting and my own exploration purposes. Both can be plugged into a real UI = though, and might be someday.<br clear=3Dall><hr>Get your FREE download o= f MSN Explorer at <a href=3D'http://go.msn.com/bql/hmtag_itl_EN.asp'>http= ://explorer.msn.com</a><br> ------=_NextPart_001_0005_01C13955.47853480 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <HTML><BODY STYLE=3D"font:10pt verdana; border:none;"><DIV>> I haven't= been able to read Assembler code since I quit<BR>> programming my old= Commodore 64's 6510 processor!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Me too.</DIV= > <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>> The only fractal generator I ever wrote was= done in<BR>> Commodore BASIC and generated 320x200x4 color basic<BR>&= gt; Mandelbrots. At an incredibly slow rate!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV= >Typed one in from a magazine. Later wrote another that output to a color= plotter. Then an Amiga 500 BASIC one that could generate 320x240x32 colo= r -- later also fake 64 color by checkerboarding every other band with 2 = adjacent colors. This could save bitmaps (later with RLE compression) and= load them, and resume. Graphical zoom box. Multiple fractal types. Then = I had PC compatibles and out came an assortment of QBasic proggies, follo= wed by a bunch written in C. Now those are FAST. One C program implements= the MDisk algorithm from the Science of Fractal Images, with disks insid= e and outside the Set, and gives very fast previews. Another does a bound= ary trace with distance estimator, and uses MDisk to skip around the imag= e borders when it has to cross areas of the Set interior or exterior. It'= s the fastest I've ever seen at generating a complete monochrome DEM imag= e. (The fast previewing one takes slightly longer to generate the final i= mage but you get a good idea of what it will look like much sooner.) Neit= her of these are polished programs ready for release though -- both are e= ngines to which I've attached a number of extremely simple drivers for te= sting and my own exploration purposes. Both can be plugged into a real UI= though, and might be someday.</DIV></BODY></HTML><DIV><BR><br clear= =3Dall><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href=3D'http://go= .msn.com/bql/hmtag_itl_EN.asp'>http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></DIV> ------=_NextPart_001_0005_01C13955.47853480-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Multiple Bogeys" <neo_1061@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTD 09-09-01 (Somber Enigma [7]) Date: 09 Sep 2001 17:33:46 -0400 ------=_NextPart_001_0006_01C13955.945227A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > FOTD -- September 09, 2001 (Rating 7) You misspelled "Rating 9" :)<br clear=3Dall><hr>Get your FREE download of= MSN Explorer at <a href=3D'http://go.msn.com/bql/hmtag_itl_EN.asp'>http:= //explorer.msn.com</a><br> ------=_NextPart_001_0006_01C13955.945227A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <HTML><BODY STYLE=3D"font:10pt verdana; border:none;"><DIV>> FOTD -- S= eptember 09, 2001 (Rating 7)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You misspelled = "Rating 9" :)</DIV></BODY></HTML><DIV><BR><br clear=3Dall><hr>Get your FR= EE download of MSN Explorer at <a href=3D'http://go.msn.com/bql/hmtag_itl= _EN.asp'>http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></DIV> ------=_NextPart_001_0006_01C13955.945227A0-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" <Paul.N.Lee@Worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: Best fractal book? was Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 03-09-01 (Not Date: 09 Sep 2001 17:06:43 -0500 Multiple Bogeys wrote: > > David Jones wrote: > > > > Ken MacLean wrote: > > > > > > I just keep thinking that if I could just figure out > > > the fractint code, I'd know most everything about > > > fractals... I know there are guys that can read code > > > like it was a dime novel, but I'm not one of them... > > > > I haven't been able to read Assembler code since I quit > > programming my old Commodore 64's 6510 processor! > > > > Me too. > I believe the majority of FractInt's code is in "C", only a few routines are written in Assembler, and those few can be pulled into any program capable of using them. Last time I looked, only eighteen modules were coded using Assembler. Most of those are very well documented and commented throughout the coding. But there are at least fifty-five modules that are written in "C", which should give one plenty of information about the FractInt code. That is if one wishes to truely get involved to such an extent. Sincerely, P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Wegner <twegner@swbell.net> Subject: Re: Best fractal book? was Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 03-09-01 (Not Date: 09 Sep 2001 17:26:11 -0600 Paul wrote: > I believe the majority of FractInt's code is in "C", only a few > routines > are written in Assembler, and those few can be pulled into any program > capable of using them. Last time I looked, only eighteen modules were > coded using Assembler. Most of those are very well documented and > commented throughout the coding. There actually is a fair bit of fractint written in assembler. But all of the fractal-related code that is in assembler is also in C. It isn't all that well documented, but the fractal algorithms art clear enough to easily port or reuse. Tim Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bmc1@airmail.net Subject: (fractint) "Fractal 2002" Conference: "Complexity & Fractals in Nature", 3/2002, Date: 09 Sep 2001 22:57:18 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------C0AC1F6987894F1DF81B61EF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fellow Fractaliers- FYI - Maybe I'm the only one who didn't know about this conference (this is the SEVENTH), but the Invited speakers are well-known in their respective sub-areas, and I'm anxiously awaiting a set of Proceedings of previous Meetings. Would not have noticed it at all were it not for david's recent question to List re good intro-level fractal books, and the subsequent Google search: this appeared on p7 of a 20+-pg set of hits, and (interestingly) did not appear on similarly-massive Google-izations of "chaos", "nonlinear mechanics/dynamics/etc" D. Freed http://www.kingston.ac.uk/fractal/themes.html --------------C0AC1F6987894F1DF81B61EF Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii; name="themes.html" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="themes.html" Content-Base: "http://www.kingston.ac.uk/fractal/them es.html" Content-Location: "http://www.kingston.ac.uk/fractal/them es.html" <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Fractal 2000 - Themes </TITLE> </HEAD> <body background="gifs/sand.gif" > <hr> <H2>Conference themes</H2> <br> <UL> <LI>Fractal geometry and its applications across the range of disciplines. <br> <LI>Cooperative behaviour and the emergence of structures in complex systems. </UL> <p> By bringing together the practitioners in the various fields of sciences, engineering, medicine and economics, the conference encourages the cross-fertilization of views on complex spatial and temporal behaviour. One of the products of the conference is the emerging insight into the complex nature of interacting systems. <p> The format of this series of conferences is designed to maximize the development of collaborative links. This is done through intensive exposure to major presentations and a poster session. There is also ample opportunity for informal discussions and recreation. <p> <B>Likely topics include:</B> <UL> <LI> Applications of fractals, including those in biology, medicine, engineering, economics and sociology <li> Cellular automata <li> Coherent structures <li> Diffusion <li> Disordered systems <li> Fractal surfaces and volumes <li> Fractals and chaos in signal processing <li> Growth phenomena <li> Iterated Function Systems <li> Image analysis and synthesis <li> L-Systems <li> Multifractal formalism <li> Non-linear dynamical systems <li> Pattern formation <li> Phase transitions <li> Self organization and cooperative phenomena <li> Turbulence <li> Visualization <li> Waves and interactions </UL> <HR> <!-- <Center><A HREF="index.html"> Back Home</A></Center><HR> --> </BODY> </HTML> --------------C0AC1F6987894F1DF81B61EF-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Guy Marson <guy.marson@mnhn.lu> Subject: Re: (fractint) There's no best fractal book, but lots of good Date: 10 Sep 2001 10:55:50 +0200 At 23:13 08/09/01 -0500, you wrote: But first, RUN to Amazon.com's website and >1) look up "fractals", >2) read the "Reviews", and >3) look at the Ratings (1->5 stars). Then choose, purchase and read the >highest-rated, least-expensive 5 books characterized as "introductory >level" by their readers. No need to reinvent the wheel. good idea; rated 5! Cheers, Guy Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: (fractint) FOTD 10-09-01 (Now You See It [4]) Date: 10 Sep 2001 11:01:21 EDT FOTD -- September 10, 2001 (Rating 4) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: Maybe it's there, but we can't see it. This describes today's image, which resembles the surroundings of a midget. But no midget is visible. The midget does exist of course, way down at the center of the image, unfortunately well beyond resolution. As a result I named the image "Now You See It". We'll let the viewer mentally add the "Now You Don't". The formula 5(Z^(-1.333))+0.5(Z^(-13.33))+(1/C), which is responsible for today's fractal, is another of my whimsical expressions that come from nowhere but make a reasonable fractal. Because I put so little energy into the image, I could rate it at only a 4. The draw time of just under one hour is slow for a fractal that rates only a 4. But relief is at hand in the form of the pre-rendered GIF image, which will soon be available on the internet at: <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html> and at: <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html> from where it may be downloaded in a minute or so. The fractal weather today was once again near perfect, with blue skies, fluffy white clouds, gentle breezes, and a temperature of 86F 30C. Only a few too many clouds and a couple degrees too much heat prevented absolute perfection. The fractal cats had a great day doing nothing but sleep and eat. I am making good progress on the FOTD CD. All the material I have on file is now gathered, and the next task is to determine what is missing, so that I can pick it up from other sources. An even more immediate task is to start and finish the day's work. Until next time, take care, and I've never seen a purple cow. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Now_You_See_It { ; time=0:59:08.35--SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=allinone.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 center-mag=+1.78764328489975400/+0.202262217248385\ 80/3.021208e+012/1/-99.995/-0.007 params=5/-1.333/0.5/-13.33/0/800 float=y maxiter=3000 inside=0 logmap=843 colors=000FOa8If1Cj3Fk5Ik7Kl8NlAPmCSmDUmJRnPOoULp_\ IqdFrjCsoAsEUmKY`PaOckequwkrxepx`mxVkxPhxKfxI_R``f\ raufekViaKmSOaLSQEVF7XKDZPJ`UPbZVdc`fhfhmljrrfnlck\ g`gaYdXU`RRYMOUGLRBIPIGNOELVCJ`9Hf7Fm5Ds3CyCJwKPuT\ Vs``qifoqlmyrlltc_vWNxNAyFBsCCm9Dg6Ea3G_9IYFKWLMVR\ GQLBMF6IA8HF9GJAFNCERDDVECZuputimtbfsW_sPTrIMrCFcY\ RPsbFfJ5U06Y96`I6dR6gZ6kg6np6qxEpvMptUpraopionpomo\ j`ofPoaDoY1lQBjIKhBTXGVLKXAOZGU`L_bQddVjf_ohVi_QcR\ LYIGT9HOFIKKIGQJCVJ8`K4eK0jM8iOFiQMiSTiU`hWghYnh_u\ hclbfdYiXSlPNjSMiVMhYMg`LfcLeeLcgNbiQakS_mUZoWYqYR\ rPLsHFt99u1_bOzLivJhsIgoGglFfhDfeCebAdZ9dW7cS6cP4b\ M3bMAQMGDJDBGA9D77A45814DCBININXPSgWWqaYoaZna`laak\ abiadhaefafeahcaibajaahZ_fXZdUXbSW`QVZNTXLSVIQTGPS\ EOQLSPSWOZ_NecMlgLskKynRfYYZHdU1QZNScLUhKVmJXoIYqH\ _tG`zEfzpgzrGzqIzoKzmMzkOzjQzhSzfUzdWzcYza_z_azYcz\ XezVgzThzSezTbzU`zVYzWWzX } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ralph Feltens <feltens@biochem.mu-luebeck.de> Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTD 10-09-01 (Now You See It [4]) Date: 10 Sep 2001 20:22:20 +0200 Hi Jim > Until next time, take care, and I've never seen a purple > cow. But maybe a violet one: http://www.milka.de/home/home.html (The Milka cow is so well known here in Germany that a lot of the little kids growing up in the big towns really think that violet is the natural color of a cow) Regards, Ralph Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: (fractint) FOTD 11-09-01 (Fuzzy Fractal Logic [7]) Date: 11 Sep 2001 10:37:32 EDT FOTD -- September 11, 2001 (Rating 7) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: An extremely simple formula can produce a striking fractal. This is the premise I set out to demonstrate when I started the FOTD 4-1/2 years ago, and once again, I feel I have demonstrated it. True, I did not demonstrate it today with the classic equal-iteration bands, but the <tdis> outside in today's image creates a fractal striking enough so that when combined with the simple expression (-Z)^1.26+C, it once again demonstrates the original premise of the FOTD. The MandelbrotMiN formula, which stands for Mandelbrot-minus-n, is an old one that I haven't used in several years. It has some good fractals in it however, and deserves to be brought out at least once in a while to do its thing. Today's fractal rates a 7, and is a sample of the things this formula can do. The name "Fuzzy Fractal Logic" comes from the fuzzy appearance of the unusually brilliant elements surrounding the less-than-impressive midget at the center. Fuzzy logic is a loose type of logic, which when programmed into a computer is supposed to make the machine respond to input more like a human mind. It works in a rudimentary sort of way, but don't expect to be carrying on a stimulating conversation with a computer in the next year or so. The render time of 2-1/2 minutes from today's parameter file is fast enough. The GIF image downloads even faster from: <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html> or from: <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html> After it has been posted there of course. The fractal weather today was less than perfect, with lots of clouds and a few sprinkles of rain. The rain, rather than the temperature of 83F 28C, kept the cats confined to the porch, where they watched for unwanted cats that might intrude. It's now time to shut down the fractal aspect and rev up the design aspect of the workshop. But I'll return in 24 hours more or less with a new fractal to delight and amaze. Until then, take care, and be at peace with everything. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ FuzzyFractal_Logic { ; time=0:02:39.61--SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=slices.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMiN passes=1 center-mag=-0.170083/0.861169/42.84153 params=1.26/0/0/0/0/0 float=y maxiter=6000 inside=0 outside=tdis logmap=37 colors=000jvmtzrmzmhzjazfXycSv_LrXGoS9kO4hL0eI0aE0\ ZB0W70_20e00j00o0_QkWOcQOWNQNIQEDS79U04U00W00X0000\ 0700B09E9GG9NIEUG9_E9hD7oB4v92z60z20z90yE0vJ0pQ0mW\ 0h_0ee0_k0Wp0Sv2Nz2Jz2Ez2Bz2UzDjzNzzXzzezzWzxNzoDz\ e4zX0xN0tE0oI0jL0eN0_Q0WU2QW7LZDG_GBcL6fQ0hW0k_0oe\ 0pj0to0vr0tm0tj0re4raBrXIpUOpOUpLQjQNeUJZZGUaEOeBI\ j7Dm46r20v00y00z00z00z00z40z90zG0zN0zU0z_0ze0z0Q07\ Z2JfEWfQhfatfmzfyzfzzf6WfOXZSXQWXIZX9_X6cX6fX6hX6k\ X6oX6rX6tX6xX6zX6zUBzSEzOIyNNyLQxIUxGXvEavBet9ht7k\ tzDEzB9pBDcBGO9JB9N09QWSUzhXzf_zeczefz_jzWmzQpzNtz\ IxzDzz7zz4zz0zz0zz0zy0zy0zy0zy0zy0zx0zx0zx0zx0zx0z\ x0zy0zz0zz0zz0zz0zz0zz0zz0zz0zz0zz0zz0zz0zz0zz0zz0\ zz0zz0zz0zz0zy0zv0zt0zp0zm0zj0zh0ze0za0zc0zf0zj0zm\ 7zpDztIzxOzzQzzQzzQzzSzzUzzWzzXzzZzz_zzazzczzezzfz\ zhzzjzzkzzmzzozzpzzrzztzzvzzxzzxzzxzzxzzxzzxzzxzzx\ zzxzzxzzxzzxzzxzzxzzxzzxz } frm:MandelbrotMiN {; Jim Muth b=p1, z=p2, c=p3+pixel: z=(-z)^(b)+c, |z| <= 16 } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: (fractint) THE LAST FOTD! 12-09-01 (Simplicity [0]) Date: 12 Sep 2001 06:49:47 EDT THE LAST FOTD -- September 12, 2001 (Rating 0) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: Regretfully, due to world conditions, this will be the last FOTD. If I wrote what I feel, you would no longer like me, so I shall go out instead in a blaze of simplicity. Today's fractal is the fastest and simplest of all time. 1/3 second is not to be sneezed at. That is why I named it "Simplicity". The rating of 0 is as much a description as a statement of the image's worth. With a render time of 0.33 seconds, there is hardly a need to pick up the image from the web sites at: <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html> and at: <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html> The fractal weather today was once again perfect, with brilliant blue skies and a temperature of 81F 27C. The fractal cats did not enjoy the perfection however. They hid themselves away all day, probably sensing my anger. That's it for a long time, most likely forever. I will *NOT* return in 24 hours with another fractal. I will be too busy from now on, venting my wrath on the political forums. But it's been a fun 4-1/2 years. Good Bye. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Simplicity { ; time=0:00:00.33--SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=julia center-mag=-4.44089e-016/2.22045e-016/0.8912656 params=0/0 float=y maxiter=95 inside=0 logmap=yes colors=000000000Umw0000000000000000000000000000000\ 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000\ 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000\ 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000\ 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000\ 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000\ 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000\ 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000\ 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000\ 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000\ 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000\ 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000\ 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000\ 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000\ 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000\ 0000000000000000000000000 } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Programmer Dude <cjsonnack@mmm.com> Subject: Re: (fractint) THE LAST FOTD! 12-09-01 (Simplicity [0]) Date: 12 Sep 2001 09:24:45 -0500 JimMuth@aol.com wrote: > THE LAST FOTD -- September 12, 2001 (Rating 0) > [...] > Good Bye. Good bye, Jim. But, a thought: if you quit because of this... they win. -- |_ CJSonnack <Chris@Sonnack.com> _____________| How's my programming? | |_ http://www.Sonnack.com/ ___________________| Call: 1-800-DEV-NULL | |_____________________________________________|_______________________| Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" <Paul.N.Lee@Worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: (fractint) THE LAST FOTD! 12-09-01 (Simplicity [0]) Date: 12 Sep 2001 12:42:50 -0500 Programmer Dude wrote: > > Jim Muth wrote: > > > > THE LAST FOTD -- September 12, 2001 (Rating 0) > > ....... Good Bye. > > But, a thought: if you quit because of this... they win. > That is one of the main reasons of terrorism, the disruption of normal processes. There are probably hundreds of individuals that appreciate the FOTD and benefit from your daily efforts. Your images and formulae have been used to enhance the artistic efforts of almost everyone that uses FractInt, not to mention those that use other fractal generators capable of using the PARs and FRMs: UltraFractal, ChaosPro, etc... I have seen such individuals as Brian Prentice recreate many of your images (and variations thereof) under UltraFractal, which causes others to try out using your files. It would be a sad day for sure if you allow the actions of terrorists to influence your own actions. Maybe a short interim between now and future FOTDs might be something to consider, in memory of those involved in this terrible tragedy. Sincerely, P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bmc1@airmail.net Subject: (fractint) [Fwd: THE LAST FOTD] Date: 12 Sep 2001 13:16:20 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------0F41B09836C5BE2495F0DC30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit See attached . . . --------------0F41B09836C5BE2495F0DC30 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Message-ID: <3B9F832F.2E3BF652@airmail.net> Reply-To: bmc1@airmail.net Organization: The BMC Group / USA X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Jim, Yesterday you said: "But I'll return . . . Until then, take care, and be at peace with everything." I hope you feel better. Best regards, DeBow Freed --------------0F41B09836C5BE2495F0DC30-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gnome@hawaii.rr.com Subject: Re: (fractint) THE LAST FOTD! 12-09-01 (Simplicity [0]) Date: 12 Sep 2001 11:29:15 -1000 >Programmer Dude wrote: >> >> Jim Muth wrote: >> > >> > THE LAST FOTD -- September 12, 2001 (Rating 0) >> > ....... Good Bye. >> >> But, a thought: if you quit because of this... they win. > >That is one of the main reasons of terrorism, the disruption of normal >processes. > >There are probably hundreds of individuals that appreciate the FOTD and >benefit from your daily efforts. Your images and formulae have been >used to enhance the artistic efforts of almost everyone that uses >FractInt, not to mention those that use other fractal generators capable >of using the PARs and FRMs: UltraFractal, ChaosPro, etc... > >I have seen such individuals as Brian Prentice recreate many of your >images (and variations thereof) under UltraFractal, which causes others >to try out using your files. > >It would be a sad day for sure if you allow the actions of terrorists to >influence your own actions. Maybe a short interim between now and >future FOTDs might be something to consider, in memory of those involved >in this terrible tragedy. Or a special FOTD in memory of those who died in the attack. Of all the Fractint-related email that comes to my account, the FOTD are the only ones that I always keep. Please don't quit! I've read somewhere, "All that evil needs in order to succeed is for good people to do nothing." While there seems to be little balance between the great evil of the attack, and the (seemingly small) good of your FOTD, your FOTD is still a good. David gnome@hawaii.rr.com Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken MacLean <kmaclean@ic.net> Subject: Re: (fractint) THE LAST FOTD! 12-09-01 (Simplicity [0]) Date: 12 Sep 2001 21:39:23 -0400 Dear Jim -- I agree with all of those who have urged you to continue. Your fractals are excellent, but I will miss more your good humor. Do not let the negative energy consume you, else the dark side will have won a victory. The force is more powerful. Please find it in your heart to continue, after an appropriate period of grieving and venting. -- Ken gnome@hawaii.rr.com wrote: > >Programmer Dude wrote: > >> > >> Jim Muth wrote: > >> > > >> > THE LAST FOTD -- September 12, 2001 (Rating 0) > >> > ....... Good Bye. > >> > >> But, a thought: if you quit because of this... they win. > > > >That is one of the main reasons of terrorism, the disruption of normal > >processes. > > > >There are probably hundreds of individuals that appreciate the FOTD and > >benefit from your daily efforts. Your images and formulae have been > >used to enhance the artistic efforts of almost everyone that uses > >FractInt, not to mention those that use other fractal generators capable > >of using the PARs and FRMs: UltraFractal, ChaosPro, etc... > > > >I have seen such individuals as Brian Prentice recreate many of your > >images (and variations thereof) under UltraFractal, which causes others > >to try out using your files. > > > >It would be a sad day for sure if you allow the actions of terrorists to > >influence your own actions. Maybe a short interim between now and > >future FOTDs might be something to consider, in memory of those involved > >in this terrible tragedy. > > Or a special FOTD in memory of those who died in the attack. Of all the Fractint-related > email that comes to my account, the FOTD are the only ones that I always keep. > Please don't quit! I've read somewhere, "All that evil needs in order to succeed > is for good people to do nothing." While there seems to be little balance between > the great evil of the attack, and the (seemingly small) good of your FOTD, your > FOTD is still a good. > > David > gnome@hawaii.rr.com > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Christenson <mchris@value.net> Subject: (fractint) Re: THE LAST FOTD! 12-09-01 (Simplicity [0]) Date: 12 Sep 2001 19:47:54 -0700 At 06:49 AM 9/12/01 EDT, Jim Muth wrote: > >THE LAST FOTD -- September 12, 2001 (Rating 0) > >Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: > >Regretfully, due to world conditions, this will be the last >FOTD. If I wrote what I feel, you would no longer like me... I'm not at all sure about that, Jim. We are not all Americans, but all who love peace and freedom felt the sting of yesterday's evil. If I spoke my mind I would be banned from the list. But that is, of course, way off topic and inappropriate for this forum. (Please feel free to contact me privately to vent.) I completely understand, as many of my fractal dry spells have been caused in part by such crusades. I have immersed myself in politics from very local to national, including walking precincts in the '92 presidential election, to fight for various causes. Take the time you need to vent your wrath and affect (or effect, take your choice, as both apply in this case) the trials that must come to save us from the scourge of terrorism, but please don't entirely abandon the medium through which you have contributed much beauty and wonder to the world. If you must end the FOTD, I highly suggest you start a Web site of galleries when your rage diminishes and your sense of beauty returns. That is a more manageable beast anyway, and I'm sure most of us are adequately impressed with your almost unbroken four-plus year streak to forgive the passing of a fractal fixture. Oddly enough, I bawled like a baby for a few minutes several hours after Challenger, but haven't shed a tear over this. I'm just seething with quiet rage and a wish that I were 20 years younger so I could sign up to go kick some ass. But then again, I knew two of the Challenger crew. Condolences and God (by any name) bless us all, Bud Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bmc1@airmail.net Subject: (fractint) [Fwd: The Furry Critter Network - The Critter News] Date: 12 Sep 2001 22:41:20 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------9DACF219C9A63B2F14E4229C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For any present owner/feeders of - perhaps 2 - furry critters . . . . . --------------9DACF219C9A63B2F14E4229C Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <rescue@furrycritter.com> Received: from mx3.airmail.net from [209.196.77.100] by mail4.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.55) with esmtp for <bmc1@209.196.123.5> sender: <rescue@furrycritter.com> id <mP/15hMUz-003KVDP@mail4.airmail.net>; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 21:45:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mail.black-ring.iadfw.net ([209.196.123.141] helo=mail.airmail.net) by mx3.airmail.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #10) id 15hMV2-0008Av-00; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 21:45:08 -0500 Received: from mx2.airmail.net from [209.196.77.99] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.55) with esmtp for <argorn@airmail.net> sender: <rescue@furrycritter.com> id <mQ/15hMT3-001gIkQ@mail.airmail.net>; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 21:43:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from adsl-156-230-110.bct.bellsouth.net ([66.156.230.110] helo=furrycritter.com) by mx2.airmail.net with smtp (Exim 3.16 #10) id 15hMT1-0009ad-00; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 21:43:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To:rescue@furrycritter.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <E15hMT1-0009ad-00@mx2.airmail.net> X-Airmail-Delivered: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 21:45:23 -0500 (CDT) X-Airmail-Spooled: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 21:45:05 -0500 (CDT) X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 <HTML> <HEAD> <meta http-equiv="Content-Language" content="en-us"> <META NAME="GENERATOR" Content="Microsoft FrontPage 5.0"> <TITLE>The Furry Critter Network</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> <P> <div align="center"> <center> <table cellspacing="0" width="780" border="2" style="border-style: ridge; border-width: 1"> <tr> <td> <table border="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%" id="AutoNumber1"> <tr> <td width="100%"> <table border="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%" id="AutoNumber2"> <tr> <td width="200"> <img border="0" src="http://www.furrycritter.com/images/Logo.gif" width="200" height="70"></td> <td width="580"> <table border="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%" cellpadding="0" id="AutoNumber6"> <tr> <td width="100%"> <img border="0" src="http://www.furrycritter.com/email/news_letters/images/The_Critter_News.gif" width="580" height="50"></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="100%" align="right"><font face="Arial" size="1"> Volume 1.00 September 15, 2001 </font></td> </tr> </table> </td> </tr> </table> </td> </tr> <tr> <td width="100%" > <table border="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%" id="AutoNumber3"> <tr> <td colspan="2"> <hr> </td> </tr> <tr> <td width="180" valign="top" align="center" bgcolor="#FFcc33"> <table border="0" cellspacing="0" width="175" cellpadding="0" id="AutoNumber4" style="border-collapse: collapse" bordercolor="#111111"> <tr> <td width="100%"><b><a href="http://www.furrycritter.com/faq/history1.htm"> <font color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">What is FCN?</font></a></b></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="100%"><b><font face="Arial" size="2"><BR>What We Can Do For You </font><font face="Arial" size="1">Click a link below and find out.....</font></b></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="100%"> <p align="center"><b><font face="Arial"><BR> <a href="http://www.furrycritter.com/cgi-bin/Classifieds/classifieds.cgi"> <font color="#000000">The Critter Classifieds</font></a></font></b></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="100%"> <table border="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%" cellpadding="0" id="AutoNumber5"> <tr> <td width="25"> </td> <td width="155"><b><font face="Arial" size="2"><BR>Horse Categories</font></b><br> <li><font face="Arial" size="2"><a href="http://www.furrycritter.com/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi?db=horsesregistered&website=&language=&session_key="> <font color="#000000">Registered</font></a> - Lineage is required. Ad displays lineage.</font></li> <li><font face="Arial" size="2"><a href="http://www.furrycritter.com/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi?db=horsesnonregistered&website=&language=&session_key="> <font color="#000000">Non-Registered</font></a> - No lineage displayed</font></li> <li><font face="Arial" size="2"><a href="http://www.furrycritter.com/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi?db=horsetack&website=&language=&session_key="> <font color="#000000">Tack & Supplies</font></a></font></li> <li><font face="Arial" size="2"><a href="http://www.furrycritter.com/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi?db=horsebreeders&website=&language=&session_key="> <font color="#000000">Breeders</font></a></font></li> <li><font face="Arial" size="2"><a href="http://www.furrycritter.com/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi?db=horserescue&website=&language=&session_key="> <font color="#000000">Rescue</font></a></font></li> </ul> </td> </tr> <tr> <td width="25"> </td> <td width="155"><b><font face="Arial" size="2">Dog Categories</font></b><br> <li><font face="Arial" size="2"> <a href="http://www.furrycritter.com/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi?db=dogsregistered&website=&language=&session_key="> <font color="#000000">Registered</font></a> - Lineage is required. Ad displays lineage.</font></li> <li><font face="Arial" size="2"> <a href="http://www.furrycritter.com/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi?db=dogbreeders&website=&language=&session_key="> <font color="#000000">Breeders</font></a></font></li> <li><font face="Arial" size="2"> <a href="http://www.furrycritter.com/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi?db=dogrescue&website=&language=&session_key="> <font color="#000000">Rescue</font></a></font></li> </ul> </td> </tr> <tr> <td width="25"> </td> <td width="155"><b><font face="Arial" size="2">Cat Categories</font></b><br> <li><font face="Arial" size="2"> <a href="http://www.furrycritter.com/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi?db=catsregistered&website=&language=&session_key="> <font color="#000000">Registered</font></a> - Lineage is required. Ad displays lineage.</font></li> <li><font face="Arial" size="2"> <a href="http://www.furrycritter.com/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi?db=catbreeders&website=&language=&session_key="> <font color="#000000">Breeders</font></a></font></li> <li><font face="Arial" size="2"> <a href="http://www.furrycritter.com/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi?db=catrescue&website=&language=&session_key="> <font color="#000000">Rescue</font></a></font></li> </ul> </td> </tr> <tr> <td width="25"> </td> <td width="155"><b><font face="Arial" size="2">Rabbit Categories</font></b><br> <li><font face="Arial" size="2"> <a href="http://www.furrycritter.com/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi?db=rabbitbreeders&website=&language=&session_key="> <font color="#000000">Registered</font></a> - Lineage is required. Ad displays lineage.</font></li> <li><font face="Arial" size="2"> <a href="http://www.furrycritter.com/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi?db=rabbitsnonregistered&website=&language=&session_key="> <font color="#000000">Non Registered</font></a> - No lineage displayed</font></li> <li><font face="Arial" size="2"> <a href="http://www.furrycritter.com/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi?db=rabbitbreeders&website=&language=&session_key="> <font color="#000000">Breeders</font></a></font></li> <li><font face="Arial" size="2"> <a href="http://www.furrycritter.com/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi?db=rabbitrescue&website=&language=&session_key="> <font color="#000000">Rescue</font></a></font></li> </ul> </td> </tr> <tr> <td width="25"> </td> <td width="155"><b><font face="Arial" size="2">Bird Categories</font></b><BR> <li><font face="Arial" size="2"> <a href="http://www.furrycritter.com/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi?db=birdsregistered&website=&language=&session_key="> <font color="#000000">Registered</font></a> - Lineage is required. Ad displays lineage.</font></li> <li><font face="Arial" size="2"> <a href="http://www.furrycritter.com/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi?db=birdnonregistered&website=&language=&session_key="> <font color="#000000">Non-Registered</font></a> - No lineage displayed</font></li> <li><font face="Arial" size="2"> <a href="http://www.furrycritter.com/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi?db=birdbreeders&website=&language=&session_key="> <font color="#000000">Breeders</font></a></font></li> <li><a href="http://www.furrycritter.com/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi?db=birdrescue&website=&language=&session_key="> <font color="#000000" face="Arial" size="2">Rescue</font><font color="#000000"></li> </font> </a> </ul> </td> </tr> <tr> <td width="25"> </td> <td width="155"><b><font face="Arial" size="2">Exotic Categories</font></b><BR> <li><font face="Arial" size="2"> <a href="http://www.furrycritter.com/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi?db=exoticregistered&website=&language=&session_key="> <font color="#000000">Registered</font></a> - Lineage is required. Ad displays lineage.</font></li> <li><font face="Arial" size="2"> <a href="http://www.furrycritter.com/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi?db=exoticnonregistered&website=&language=&session_key="> <font color="#000000">Non-Registered</font></a> - No lineage displayed</font></li> <li><font face="Arial" size="2"> <a href="http://www.furrycritter.com/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi?db=exoticbreeders&website=&language=&session_key="> <font color="#000000">Breeders</font></a></font></li> <li><a href="http://www.furrycritter.com/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi?db=exoticrescue&website=&language=&session_key="> <font color="#000000" face="Arial" size="2">Rescue</font><font color="#000000"></li> </font> </a> </td> </tr> <tr> <td width="25"> </td> <td width="155"> </td> </tr> </table> </td> </tr> <tr> <td width="100%"> <p align="center"><font face="Arial"><b>New Categories Added On Request.</b></font></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="100%"> </td> </tr> <tr> <td width="100%" align="center"><b><font face="Arial">Ad Pricing</font></b></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="100%" align="center"><font size="2" face="Arial">30 Days - $7.99</font></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="100%" align="center"><font size="2" face="Arial">60 Days - $12.98</font></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="100%" align="center"><font size="2" face="Arial">90 Days - $17.97</font></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="100%" align="center"><font size="2" face="Arial">Renewal - $4.99 (30 Days)</font></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="100%" align="center"><font size="2" face="Arial">Upload Picture $1.99 </font></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="100%"> </td> </tr> <tr> <td width="175" style="text-align: justify"> </td> </tr> <tr> <td width="100%"> <p align="center"><b><font face="Arial">Coming Soon!</font></b></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="100%"> </td> </tr> <tr> <td width="100%" align="center"><font face="Arial" size="2"> <b>Forum Discussion Area</b></font></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="100%" align="center"><font face="Arial" size="2"> <b>Horse Breed Information</b></font></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="100%" align="center"><font face="Arial" size="2"> <b>Bird Breed Information</b></font></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="100%" align="center"><font face="Arial" size="2"> <b>Rabbit Breed Information</b></font></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="100%" align="center" height="25"> </td> </tr> <tr> <td width="100%" align="center" height="15"><hr></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="100%" align="center" style="text-align: justify"> <b><font size="2" face="Arial">If you wish to be removed from this advertiser's future mailings, please reply with the subject "Remove" and we will automatically block you from future mailings.</font></b></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="100%" align="center"><hr> </td> </tr> <tr> <td width="100%" align="center"> </td> </tr> <tr> <td width="100%" align="center"> </td> </tr> </table></td> <td width="600" align="center" valign="top"> <table border="0" cellspacing="0" width="580" cellpadding="0" id="AutoNumber7"> <tr> <td align="center"><b> <font face="Arial" size="4" color="#4E68A4">The Critter Classifieds Are Now On-Line</font></b></td> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align: justify"><font face="Arial" size="2"> After five months of development the Critter Classifieds are now on-line allowing Breeders and Rescue Organizations to place ads which can be maintained by the user. As always, Rescue Ads are free and Breeders, Businesses, Ranches, etc. may advertise for a minimal charge. The Furry Critter Network will continue to provide a platform for responsible breeders and only accept ads in the Dog & Cat area from participants whom are able to input lineage within the ad for both Puppies & Kittens, and for Dogs & Cats advertised for stud or breeding. This is in an effort to cut down access for the puppy mills and backyard breeders. The Horse, Rabbit, Bird and Exotic areas will accept mixed breeds due to the acceptable breed practices of their respective species.. Features would include; Breed Standards and behavior for Dogs & Cats tied to the classifieds, Auto-Notify of information you select, ad page counters to review traffic on your ad, multimedia functionality for optional ad upgrades, to mention just a few. For additional information please visit <a href="http://www.furrycritter.com"><font color="#4E68A4">The Furry Critter Network</font></a> or email: <a href="mailto:information@furrycritter.com"> <font color="#4E68A4">information@furrycritter.com</font></a> .<BR><BR> <b>All ads placed by rescue organizations are free.</b> If you are involved in a rescue organization and wish to publish your information on a high visibility site I invite you to come take a look and register your information. The information that you register will be valid for six months at which time you will need to place a new ad, again for free. If you are a statewide agency I invite you to place your ads in the classifieds by either breed specific information or general rescue. If you are part of a national or international organization I invite you to submit a banner ad with the dimensions of 468 X 60 either gif or jpg with a hyperlink to your site and we will include you in the randomizer that displays banner ads for national or international rescue organizations on almost every page of the site. Again, I emphasize, <strong> THIS SERVICE IS FREE TO ANY ANIMAL RESCUE ORGANIZATIONS.</strong> Please take advantage. When placing your ad please emphasize your organization and facility. <font color="#FF0000"><b>Do not advertise specific animals</b>.</font> When filling out your ad do not choose any extra visibility options or you will be charged for the ad. After filling out your ad simply submit and you will be prompted for credit card information, leave this info blank <b>(Rescue Organizations Only)</b> and the ad will be processed and posted. </font></td> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align: justify"><hr></td> </tr> <tr> <td height="5"></td> </tr> <tr> <td> <table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" id="AutoNumber8"> <tr> <td align="center" width="285"> <font face="Arial" color="#4E68A4"><b> Aniwa.com and The Furry Critter Network Form Partnership</b></font></td> <td align="center" width="10"> </td> <td align="center" width="285"><b> <font face="Arial" color="#4E68A4"> Current Project Status - The Furry Critter Network</font></b></td> </tr> <tr> <td bgcolor="#FFFFFF" align="center" valign="top"> <table border="0" cellspacing="0" style="border-collapse: collapse" bordercolor="#111111" width="100%" cellpadding="0" id="AutoNumber9"> <tr> <td width="285" style="text-align: justify"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <img border="0" src="http://www.furrycritter.com/images/Aniwa_Com_sm1.jpg" width="125" height="59"><BR>The Furry Critter Network would like to take this oppurtunity to thank the Staff and Management of Aniwa.com for their generosity and support in contributing to the Dog & Cat Breed Description area. <a href="http://www.aniwa.com"><font color="#000000">Aniwa.com</font></a> is a complete informational source worldwide for Dogs and Cats.<BR><BR></font></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="100%"><hr> </td> </tr> <tr> <td width="285" style="text-align: justify"> <font size="2" face="Arial">We need your participation. The Furry Critter Network invites you to submit content in your areas of expertise. The articles will be published on the network. The articles if chosen will contain the information you submit along with your logo and a link to your ad in the classifieds. Articles are chosen at the sole discretion of FCN and may be edited for content. Pictures submitted must be free of copyright.</font><p><font size="2" face="Arial">Email your submission <a href="mailto:content@furrycritter.com"> <font color="#4E68A4">content@furrycritter.com</font></a><font color="#4E68A4"> </font>be sure to include your logo and any other relevant material. You must be a registered user in the Critter Classifieds and have a current ad on the system. </font> <p><font face="Arial" size="2">We require a current ad on the system so it does not create unfair exposure to the folks who have paid for an existing ad in your area of expertise.</font></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="100%"> </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td> </td> <td width="285" style="text-align: justify" valign="top"> <font face="Arial" size="2"><b> <a href="http://www.furrycritter.com/resources/cats/_menu.htm"> <font color="#000000">Cat Breed Standards & Information</font></a></b></font><font size="1" face="Arial"> </font> <font size="2" face="Arial">- Complete<BR>FCN will ad additional photos and/or breeds as information becomes available.<b><BR><a href="http://www.furrycritter.com/resources/dog/_menu.htm"> <font color="#000000">Dog Breed Standards & Information</font></a></B><font size="1" face="Arial"> </font> <font face="Arial">- Complete<BR>FCN will ad additional photos and/or breeds as information becomes available.</font><b><BR>Horse Breed Standards & Information</b><font size="1" face="Arial"> <BR> </font><font face="Arial"><font color="#FF0000">Under Construction</font><BR>FCN is looking for associations to represent specific Equine breeds which would include breed standards, a photo representing the breed (free of copyright) and a link to the association's website. <a href="mailto:information@furrycritter.com"> <font color="#4E68A4">information@furrycritter.com</font></a><font color="#4E68A4"> </font> </font><b><BR>Bird Species Standards & Information</b><font size="1" face="Arial"> <BR> </font><font face="Arial"><font color="#FF0000">Under Construction</font><BR>FCN is looking for associations to represent specific Bird species which would include standards, a photo representing the species (free of copyright) and a link to the association's website. <a href="mailto:information@furrycritter.com"> <font color="#4E68A4">information@furrycritter.com</font></a><font color="#4E68A4"> </font> </font><b><BR>Rabbit Breed Standards & Information</b><font size="1" face="Arial"> <BR> </font><font face="Arial"><font color="#FF0000">Under Construction</font><BR>FCN is looking for associations to represent specific Rabbit species which would include standards, a photo representing the species (free of copyright) and a link to the association's website. <a href="mailto:information@furrycritter.com"> <font color="#4E68A4">information@furrycritter.com</font></a><font color="#4E68A4"> </font> </font><b><BR>Exotic Species Standards & Information</b><font size="1" face="Arial"> <BR> </font><font face="Arial"><font color="#FF0000">Under Construction</font><BR>FCN is looking for associations to represent specific Exotic species which would include standards, a photo representing the species (free of copyright) and a link to the association's website. <font color="#4E68A4"> </font> <a href="mailto:information@furrycritter.com"> <font color="#4E68A4">information@furrycritter.com</font></a><font color="#4E68A4"> </font> </font><b><BR> Additional Categories will be added based on user request. </b><font size="1" face="Arial"> </font></font></td> </tr> </table> </td> </tr> <tr> <td><hr></td> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align: justify"><b> <font face="Arial" color="#4E68A4">The Furry Critter Forum</font></b><BR><BR><font size="2" face="Arial"> <i>The humane movement has always faced an uphill battle as it competes with other charitable causes for support and perhaps in the struggle, many organizations have lost more than they have gained. In the need for financial contributions they are pressured into telling only what pleases, forced to fight only whatÆs popular and limited to speaking out against only that which does not offend.<br><br> As they have been forced to prostitute reality, the true nature of the real suffering of the individual animal is lost to the need to survive as an organization.<br> <br> There have always been those noble individuals who fight for animal welfare causes. Public support, being the fickle thing that it is, always rises and falls to one cause or another. The masses are often unknowingly manipulated into abandoning the real need of those few noble organizations with the tenacity to weather the storm of popularity. <br> <br> Public awareness and willingness to contribute to any one of the countless worthy causes created by manÆs occupation of planet Earth is influenced if not entirely controlled by our media. Special interest groups, political ties and individual ambition appear to be major influencing factors in directing the distribution of funding. In most instances these accumulated trusts are born of the purest of intentions. Often times the sympathetic individual contributor remains unaware of the underlying currents directing his/her contributions.<br> <br> In my personal experience I have seen the respect earned through years of dedication transformed into cynicism and doubt by a single lie. IÆve experienced loyal supporters running for cover in the wake of nothing more than a cruel, unsubstantiated rumor. Such action by anyone can have only one purpose, the destruction of goodness. Who suffers? As proven throughout history, the innocent, in this instance the innocent are animals living day to day totally unaware of their plight.<br> <br> It is a sad day indeed when one comes to realize that the continued success of your lifeÆs work exists precariously hinged on the sway of popular opinion. I urge every concerned individual to utilize the free will endowed to all of us by our maker. <br> <br> Gather the facts on your own, have an opinion that is truly yours. If you are suspicious, investigate. If you are in doubt, seek the truth. If you are opposed, voice your opinion. If you are appalled, make it known. DonÆt allow this worlds few remaining noble causes to exist forever balanced precariously on the fragile thread of popularity. </i> <br> <br> </font><table border="0" cellspacing="0" style="border-collapse: collapse" bordercolor="#111111" width="100%" cellpadding="0" id="AutoNumber10"> <tr> <td width="50%"><font size="2" face="Arial">Sandi Jolene Venables Markette<br> JoleneÆs Horse Rescue</font></td> <td width="50%"> <img border="0" src="http://www.furrycritter.com/images/Jolenes_Horse_Rescue_sm.gif" width="300" height="38"></td> </tr> </table> </td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center"><font face="Arial, Sans-Serif" size="1"> Copyright ⌐ 2001 Bryntel Technologies, Inc., All Rights Reserved</font></td> </tr> </table> </td> </tr> </table> </td> </tr> <tr> <td width="100%"> </td> </tr> </table> </td> </tr> </table> </center> </div> </BODY> </HTML> --------------9DACF219C9A63B2F14E4229C-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: (fractint) More on the FOTD Date: 13 Sep 2001 11:32:36 EDT I appreciate the concern of those who feel I should continue the FOTD, and tell me that by stopping writing I have let the evil-doers win. I myself would like to continue the FOTD, but my mental state will not permit it. Three people who I know well (or knew well) are still missing. If I were younger, I might be down at the recruiting office, but unfortunately I'm over the hill and have too many responsibilities to play the soldier game. I could continue the FOTD, but inflammatory emotional anti-Arab things and cynical philosophical anti-God things would inevitably creep in. I feel that such virulence would do more harm than good. When the current crisis passes and things (myself included) return to something resembling normal, I may indeed resume the FOTD. Until then, I'll continue finding fractals and remain subscribed to the lists. I'll probably write a few short stories. I might even post an occasional parameter file. But I will post no FOTD discussions until I feel I can write them in the proper style. Until then, if someone wants to speculate why the supposed all-good-and-powerful God permitted so many innocent people to be injured and die, I'll be glad to defend my not-very-comforting suspicion that He does not exist as described. If anyone feels that this is the wrong time and place to be discussing the existence or non-existence of God, you already know why the FOTD was suspended (not as originally stated, ended). Jim M. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Programmer Dude <cjsonnack@mmm.com> Subject: Re: (fractint) More on the FOTD Date: 13 Sep 2001 11:30:54 -0500 JimMuth@aol.com wrote: > I myself would like to continue the FOTD, but my mental state will not > permit it. Three people who I know well (or knew well) are still missing. Jim, my very deepest condolences to you and yours. > I could continue the FOTD, but inflammatory emotional anti-Arab > things and cynical philosophical anti-God things would > inevitably creep in. I feel that such virulence would do more > harm than good. I think we all understand the need to suspend--for a time--those things that have--for now--lost their meaning. The human spirit is a powerful force, and time and that spirit will eventually bring healing. I'm sure none of us urges you to continue with FOTD during this time of shock, horror, sadness and pain. I'm equally sure all of us wishes that you will, in the fullnes of time, heal and continue life were it was left off. I know that for each and every person lost Tuesday there are many, many left to grieve. And to wonder how this horror could come to pass. None of us, not a single one, is left unchanged. > Until then, if someone wants to speculate why the supposed > all-good-and-powerful God permitted so many innocent people to > be injured and die, I'll be glad to defend my not-very-comforting > suspicion that He does not exist as described. This probably isn't the place, unless the group as a whole would like to discuss this. And perhaps it would be appropriate for this communitte to talk it out. What has the rest of the list to say? As a believer, as one who has experienced God's presense in his life, I'd like to offer the following: Where was God when this happened? I believe God was in the hearts and minds and hands of all the volunteers who have given so much over the last--horrifying--48 hours. I believe God was there to comfort those who perished. I believe God is there to comfort those of us who stand stunned and distant from the events, watching in shock and sadness. Why did God "let this happen"? Like any loving parent, God has given us free will and the ability to determine our own path. We are allowed to make our own choices and to determine the course of our heart and of our spirit. At some point, parents need to allow their children to go forth into the world. They cannot forever shelter and defend their children. Not if they want them to fulfill their own destinies. Why does God allow such horror? For the same reason God allows such incredible beauty and such deep love. The price of freedom is that evil can abuse it. The price of great love is virulant hate. The price of breath-taking beauty is mind-numbing ugliness. God has given us great power for good and for building, but the flip side of that coin is that we also have great power for evil and destruction. God loves us so much, that we are given these gifts and allowed to choose our destinies. Jim, I've had tears in my eyes for two days. I have much too vivid an imagination, and I know too much about physics and construction and explosives. I project into New York and Washington and those four hi- jacked flights, and I come undone. I want to do something. I want to be there helping. So I have some sense of what you--and so many of us--are feeling. I can fully appreciate your rage; indeed, I share it. A part of me wants us to "nuke those &*$%^# bastards". Wipe'm out. Turn the whole disgusting middle east into a sheet of radioactive glass. But then I'm no better than them; my hate no better than theirs. Justice is appropriate. We will have justice. But not revenge. Ultimately, love is the only answer that truly works. And love is mostly what God asks of us. Jim, I'm sure this doesn't help. A former Senator had a sign on his desk: This, Too, Shall Pass. Perhaps those are the only real words of hope that can be offered meaningfully right now. This, too, shall pass. May the peace of God, which passes all understanding, be with you all. -- |_ CJSonnack <Chris@Sonnack.com> _____________| How's my programming? | |_ http://www.Sonnack.com/ ___________________| Call: 1-800-DEV-NULL | |_____________________________________________|_______________________| Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com Subject: (fractint) From: <packrat@nznet.gen.nz> Date: 14 Sep 2001 09:25:46 +1200 I don't really have anything to say. I was going to describe this cartoon, but the link is more accurate: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/cartoons/cartoondisplay.cfm?storyID=216631&thesectio n=cartoon Stand strong. We're thinking of you. Morgan L. Owens Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken MacLean <kmaclean@ic.net> Subject: (fractint) WTC Date: 13 Sep 2001 18:47:36 -0400 Dear fractint members: if you are lookinbg for an alternative explanation for the WTC disaster, go here: http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articles3/worldtradecenter.html You won't find any of this mentioned in any news media you listen to, so it might be worth a look..... -- Ken Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bmc1@airmail.net Subject: Re: (fractint) More on the FOTD Date: 13 Sep 2001 18:43:27 -0500 <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> Dera Jim, <p>I had no idea that "Three people who [you] know well (or knew well) are still missing." <p>My condolences. <p>I went to a prep school which had an extraordinary number of Classsmates go into In- vestment Banking, and ended up as employees of Morgan Stanley/Dean Witter, which we all now know was the WTC's principal Tenant, leasing 1/5th of the 269 collapsed Floors in the WTC. <p>Another 4 Classmates worked in the Army/Navy G-2 Section of the Pentagon (located between Corridors 4&6, Rings B & E). All are missing, excepting 1 who appeared last night at the nearby GWU' Medical Center w/burns over 70% of his body. <p>Apparently, despite the rather incredible fact that <b>only 40</b> of Dean Witter's 3700 employees in WT Tower #1 or #2, or Bldg #5 are un-accounted-for, apparently <b>30 </b>of the missing-and-presumed-vaporized are my high-school classmates. <p>No outpouring of sympathy requested, necessary, or appropriate. <p>Just an observation: maybe this will be a wake-up call to us all, including President Dub (as we Texans affectionaltely erfeer to him). <p>After all, it took JFK the Bay of Pigs, the Vienna Conference, and the Cuban Missile Crisis to mature him as a national leader. So far about the only thing I see that Dub's been able to lead is his 17 y.o. daughters into the drunk tank. Maybe this will mold him into the leader he is apparently intellectually capable of being. <p>Freed <br> <br> <br> <br> <p>JimMuth@aol.com wrote: <blockquote TYPE=CITE>I appreciate the concern of those who feel I should continue the <br>FOTD, and tell me that by stopping writing I have let the <br>evil-doers win. I myself would like to continue the FOTD, but <br>my mental state will not permit it. Three people who I know well <br>(or knew well) are still missing. If I were younger, I might be <br>down at the recruiting office, but unfortunately I'm over the <br>hill and have too many responsibilities to play the soldier game. <p>I could continue the FOTD, but inflammatory emotional anti-Arab <br>things and cynical philosophical anti-God things would <br>inevitably creep in. I feel that such virulence would do more <br>harm than good. <p>When the current crisis passes and things (myself included) <br>return to something resembling normal, I may indeed resume the <br>FOTD. Until then, I'll continue finding fractals and remain <br>subscribed to the lists. I'll probably write a few short <br>stories. I might even post an occasional parameter file. But I <br>will post no FOTD discussions until I feel I can write them in <br>the proper style. <p>Until then, if someone wants to speculate why the supposed <br>all-good-and-powerful God permitted so many innocent people to <br>be injured and die, I'll be glad to defend my not-very-comforting <br>suspicion that He does not exist as described. <p>If anyone feels that this is the wrong time and place to be <br>discussing the existence or non-existence of God, you already <br>know why the FOTD was suspended (not as originally stated, <br>ended). <p>Jim M. <p>-------------------------------------------------------------- <br>Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List <br>Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com <br>Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" <br>Administrator: twegner@fractint.org <br>Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint"</blockquote> </html> Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Shaffer Jr. <jmshaffer@alltel.net> Subject: Re: (fractint) WTC Date: 13 Sep 2001 22:15:40 -0400 On Thursday 13 September 2001 06:47 pm, Ken MacLean wrote: > if you are lookinbg for an alternative explanation for the WTC > disaster, go here: > http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articles3/worldtradecenter.html I would've expected something like this from Bill Cooper rather than David Icke, but either way my reaction is the same: there is no material evidence, so his mythos is no better than the Jewish and Muslim ones that led to this whole mess. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: Re: (fractint) WTC Date: 13 Sep 2001 22:48:33 EDT At 06:47 PM 9/13/01 -0400, Ken MacLean wrote: > Dear fractint members: >if you are lookinbg for an alternative explanation for the WTC >disaster, go here: >http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articles3/worldtradecenter.html >You won't find any of this mentioned in any news media you listen >to, so it might be worth a look..... >-- Ken I have seen this article. It is interesting and entertaining reading, but one thing just doesn't make sense: If the illuminatti is so secret, so powerful, and so all-pervasive, why do they permit Mr. Icke to reveal their secret plans? Jim M. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" <Paul.N.Lee@Worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: (fractint) WTC Date: 13 Sep 2001 21:52:17 -0500 JimMuth@aol.com wrote: > > If the illuminatti is so secret, so powerful, > and so all-pervasive, why do they permit > Mr. Icke to reveal their secret plans? > So he can advertise his books in every article, and then sell them?? P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken MacLean <kmaclean@ic.net> Subject: Re: (fractint) WTC Date: 13 Sep 2001 23:02:47 -0400 --------------6549DBE68116ABABD568B373 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maybe that's it! If the Iluminati killed Mr. Icke, wouldn't that would pretty much tend to validate what he is saying? I don't know. I just posted that for an alternative point of view. I'm not saying it's God's truth. All I know is that the video of the WTC tower shows it going straight down, like an imploded building. The odds of that happening in an "accident" are enormous. -- Ken "Paul N. Lee" wrote: > JimMuth@aol.com wrote: > > > > If the illuminatti is so secret, so powerful, > > and so all-pervasive, why do they permit > > Mr. Icke to reveal their secret plans? > > > > So he can advertise his books in every article, and then sell them?? > > P.N.L. > -------------------------------------------------------------- > http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" --------------6549DBE68116ABABD568B373 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> Maybe that's it! If the Iluminati killed Mr. Icke, wouldn't that would pretty much tend to validate what he is saying? I don't know. I just posted that for an alternative point of view. I'm not saying it's God's truth. All I know is that the video of the WTC tower shows it going straight down, like an imploded building. The odds of that happening in an "accident" are enormous. <br>-- Ken <p>"Paul N. Lee" wrote: <blockquote TYPE=CITE>JimMuth@aol.com wrote: <br>> <br>> If the illuminatti is so secret, so powerful, <br>> and so all-pervasive, why do they permit <br>> Mr. Icke to reveal their secret plans? <br>> <p>So he can advertise his books in every article, and then sell them?? <p>P.N.L. <br>-------------------------------------------------------------- <br><a href="http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go">http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go</a> <p>-------------------------------------------------------------- <br>Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List <br>Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com <br>Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" <br>Administrator: twegner@fractint.org <br>Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint"</blockquote> </html> --------------6549DBE68116ABABD568B373-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kelly christiansen <darkwolf1_us@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: (fractint) WTC Date: 13 Sep 2001 20:39:20 -0700 (PDT) --- Ken MacLean <kmaclean@ic.net> wrote: > Maybe that's it! If the Iluminati killed Mr. Icke, wouldn't that would > pretty much tend to validate what he is saying? I don't know. I just > posted that for an alternative point of view. I'm not saying it's God's > truth. All I know is that the video of the WTC tower shows it going > straight down, like an imploded building. The odds of that happening in > an "accident" are enormous. > -- Ken > > "Paul N. Lee" wrote: > here is a link to a discussion of exactly why from an archetectural standpoint the towers fell in the manner that they did http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/57/21641.html Suggest you go read it kelly ===== ****************************************************************** To subscribe to fractaltalk, send a message to listar@wru.org with "subscribe fractaltalk" in the body. To unsubscribe from fractaltalk, send a message to listar@wru.org with "unsubscribe fractaltalk" in the body. ****************************************************************** __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Wegner <twegner@swbell.net> Subject: Re: (fractint) More on the FOTD Date: 13 Sep 2001 22:48:24 -0600 I don't object to some off-topic discussion on the issues Jim has raised relating to the September 11th tragedy. This is an unusual situation that warrants relaxing normal guidelines of keeping on topic. I propose these constraints: 1. we put a time limit on it - let's say two weeks maximum. 2. we agree to keep the tone of the discussion civil and considerate, recognizing that some healing needs to go on. ("Civil" doesn't mean strong feelings can't be expressed - it means civil and gentle towards other list members.) If there more traffic on this than someone likes, you can unsubscribe yourself, or if you like, let me know and I can unsubscribe you and then resubscribe you after the thread dies out or two weeks is up, whichever comes first. Tim Wegner Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew Coppin" <orphi69@hotmail.com> Subject: (fractint) www.fractalus.com Date: 14 Sep 2001 10:38:37 +0000 The other day, I got an unwanted email. What did it contain? Porn! (My God I hope the techs don't check my browser cache... why do I get sent this stuff?!?!) After that, I felt totally distracted, and had a real hard time concentrating. (Fortunatly I didn't actually NEED to concentrate on anything at the time!) Anyway, I remembered some years back visiting www.fractalus.com. So I went back there and had a browse around. OH MY GOD!!! Somebody please tell me why on earth I don't look around this site more often... It's BRILLIANT! I don't know who runs this thing (it's probably in the small print somewhere), but it's more diverting then porn. Recommendations don't come much higher than that (certainly not from university students like me!!!) Thanks. Andrew. PS. OMG! Someone has already beaten me to applying fractal iterations to photographs... I guess I'm just too slow... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Programmer Dude <cjsonnack@mmm.com> Subject: Re: (fractint) From: <packrat@nznet.gen.nz> Date: 14 Sep 2001 09:44:40 -0500 owner-fractint@lists.xmission.com wrote: > ...this cartoon,... Okay, so now I'm crying for the zillionth time in three days. That one's a keeper. > Stand strong. We're thinking of you. Thank you. Bless you. -- |_ CJSonnack <Chris@Sonnack.com> _____________| How's my programming? | |_ http://www.Sonnack.com/ ___________________| Call: 1-800-DEV-NULL | |_____________________________________________|_______________________| Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken MacLean <kmaclean@ic.net> Subject: Re: (fractint) WTC Date: 14 Sep 2001 14:40:12 -0400 Kelly -- thanks for that. I read the article, and it postulates 2 scenarios: one, heat from the jet fuel started raging fires which, due to the interior load-bearing and exterior lattice structure, caused the buildings to implode. The other is the controlled demolition scenario. My problem with the former is that if the interior collapsed first, we should have seen the exterior falling inward, slightly later than the interior structure. My view of the video shows the whole thing collapsing at exactly the same time. I just don't think that the heat explanation covers what I saw. Anyway, I want to issue an apology to all on the list. I never should have posted that link, it is off-topic, and I won't do it again. We are better off discussing fractals, and I'll save any political commentary for the appropriate forum. -- Ken kelly christiansen wrote: > --- Ken MacLean <kmaclean@ic.net> wrote: > > Maybe that's it! If the Iluminati killed Mr. Icke, wouldn't that would > > pretty much tend to validate what he is saying? I don't know. I just > > posted that for an alternative point of view. I'm not saying it's God's > > truth. All I know is that the video of the WTC tower shows it going > > straight down, like an imploded building. The odds of that happening in > > an "accident" are enormous. > > -- Ken > > > > "Paul N. Lee" wrote: > > > > here is a link to a discussion of exactly why from an archetectural standpoint > the towers fell in the manner that they did > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/57/21641.html > > Suggest you go read it > > kelly > > ===== > ****************************************************************** > To subscribe to fractaltalk, send a message to listar@wru.org with > "subscribe fractaltalk" in the body. > > To unsubscribe from fractaltalk, send a message to listar@wru.org with > "unsubscribe fractaltalk" in the body. > ****************************************************************** > > __________________________________________________ > Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? > Donate cash, emergency relief information > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ricardo M. Forno" <rforno@tutopia.com> Subject: Re: (fractint) WTC Date: 14 Sep 2001 20:37:22 -0300 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C13D5D.0E509720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable But the tower went down starting from near the top, whereas in an = "imploding" building charges exploded in the base make it go down from = the base up. This seems not only politically unexplainable, but also = nearly physically unexplainable. So I am inclined to agree with the = explanation given by the newspapers (at least here in Argentina): the = fire affected the iron structure at the point of impact, making the flat = (or flats) to collapse. Then the weight of the superimposed flats hit = the next flat downward, making it collapse, etc. Anyway, it is very = strange that it did not go to one or the other side and rather went down = very straight. When the second tower fell, I think I saw a fireball = coming out from the point of impact, as if an explosion had taken place. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ken MacLean=20 To: fractint@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 12:02 AM Subject: Re: (fractint) WTC Maybe that's it! If the Iluminati killed Mr. Icke, wouldn't that = would pretty much tend to validate what he is saying? I don't know. I = just posted that for an alternative point of view. I'm not saying it's = God's truth. All I know is that the video of the WTC tower shows it = going straight down, like an imploded building. The odds of that = happening in an "accident" are enormous.=20 -- Ken=20 "Paul N. Lee" wrote:=20 JimMuth@aol.com wrote:=20 >=20 > If the illuminatti is so secret, so powerful,=20 > and so all-pervasive, why do they permit=20 > Mr. Icke to reveal their secret plans?=20 >=20 So he can advertise his books in every article, and then sell them?? = P.N.L.=20 --------------------------------------------------------------=20 http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=3Dfractals&id=3D43&go=20 --------------------------------------------------------------=20 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List = Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com=20 Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help"=20 Administrator: twegner@fractint.org=20 Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C13D5D.0E509720 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4611.1300" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>But the tower went down starting from near the top, = whereas in=20 an "imploding" building charges exploded in the base make it go down = from the=20 base up. This seems not only politically unexplainable, but also nearly=20 physically unexplainable. So I am inclined to agree with the explanation = given=20 by the newspapers (at least here in Argentina): the fire affected the = iron=20 structure at the point of impact, making the flat (or flats) to = collapse. Then=20 the weight of the superimposed flats hit the next flat downward, making = it=20 collapse, etc. Anyway, it is very strange that it did not go to one or = the other=20 side and rather went down very straight. When the second tower fell, I = think I=20 saw a fireball coming out from the point of impact, as if an explosion = had taken=20 place.</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3Dkmaclean@ic.net href=3D"mailto:kmaclean@ic.net">Ken = MacLean</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=3Dfractint@lists.xmission.com=20 = href=3D"mailto:fractint@lists.xmission.com">fractint@lists.xmission.com</= A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, September 14, = 2001 12:02=20 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: (fractint) = WTC</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV>Maybe that's it! If the Iluminati killed Mr. = Icke, =20 wouldn't that would pretty much tend to validate what he is saying? I = don't=20 know. I just posted that for an alternative point of view. I'm not = saying it's=20 God's truth. All I know is that the video of the WTC tower shows it = going=20 straight down, like an imploded building. The odds of that happening = in an=20 "accident" are enormous. <BR>-- Ken=20 <P>"Paul N. Lee" wrote:=20 <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D"CITE">JimMuth@aol.com wrote: <BR>> <BR>> If = the=20 illuminatti is so secret, so powerful, <BR>> and so = all-pervasive, why do=20 they permit <BR>> Mr. Icke to reveal their secret plans? <BR>> = <P>So he can advertise his books in every article, and then sell = them??=20 <P>P.N.L. = <BR>--------------------------------------------------------------=20 <BR><A=20 = href=3D"http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=3Dfractals&id=3D= 43&go">http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=3Dfractals&id= =3D43&go</A>=20 <P>-------------------------------------------------------------- = <BR>Thanks=20 for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List = <BR>Post=20 Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com <BR>Get=20 Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help"=20 <BR>Administrator: twegner@fractint.org=20 <BR>Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com = "unsubscribe=20 fractint"</P></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C13D5D.0E509720-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bmc1@airmail.net Subject: Re: (fractint) WTC colllapse BS Date: 14 Sep 2001 20:48:54 -0500 <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> <b>Fellow Fractaliers/ other assorted speculators:</b> <p>I haven't even bothered to read what "Ickes" or whoever said: <p>I have a PhD in Mechanical Engineering and the ability to listen to the the WTC Towers' #1 &2 Architect's - as well as <b>Forensic Architects </b>(yeah, they do exist) comments: <p>SUMMARIZED, their (rather self-evident) comments are: <p>You put a 757/767 @ 350 mph, w/ an essentially full load of "Jet Fuel A" on board into the upper 2/3rds of <b>either of those buildings</b>, and you can calculate - based on <b>Freshman College-level statics equations</b>, that the structural steel (<b>melting T = ~1000F; Jet A burns @ 1300F) will have melted within less than 2-3 hrs, the concret columns will have been severley thermally weakened as well, and the the rest - we all saw on TV:</b> <br><b>CATASTROPHIC FAILURE OF THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE, IN WHICH THE MASS OF THE UPERMOST 20-30 STORIES LITERALLY JACKHAMMERED THE REST OF THE BUILDING DOWN WHEN IT "IMPLODED" [COLLAPSED ON ITSELF].</b><b></b> <p><b>1) had they hit the buildings at the very top (Floors 90-110), <u>there would not have been adequate mass to cause the structure beneath to collapse</u>;</b><b></b> <p><b>2) had they hit the buildings at the base (Floors 0-> 40),<u> there was adequate structural redundancy </u>(re-bar concrete columns spaced <u><font size=+1><font color="#CC0000">every 3ft</font> </font></u>vs the "every 12ft" specified by NYC Code) <u>to withstand the specified design criterion of a direct hit from a fully-fueled 707</u>( which has the approximately the same <u>fuel capacity</u> and the <u>same fuel</u> as the 757 and/or 767<u>)</u>.</b><b></b> <p><b>So whatever this circular argument is about, it's meaningless: </b><font color="#CC0000">as soon as each World Trade Center Tower was hit - <b>below the 90th Floor -</b> the collapse of the remainder of each building was fore-ordained.</font><font color="#CC0000"></font> <p><b><font color="#CC0000">I sat there and watched - in complete disbelief - as Fire and Police Personnel (let alone ordinary Citizens) - were allowed within a 3-5 block radius of the obviously soon-to-collapse Towers.</font></b> <p>What's astonishing is that the<b><u><font size=+2> entire NY FD</font></u></b> was standing in <b>just the right spot to be decimated</b> - <b><u>literally</u></b> (300 of their 3000 men). Their ignorance of basic engineering fundamentals is inexcusable. The Management-level (the Chiefs') ignorance is appalling. And, NO, they didn't do it to "heroically save people"; ther's not ne shred of evidence that a sinfgle Firefighter knew he was being sent into an area that was going to be a 100%-FATALITY ZONE. Those poor suckers were simply sent to thei death because of the stupidity of their superiors. <p>I expect there will be literally <b><u><font size=+2>$BILLIONS</font></u></b> in private lawsuits for Wrongful Death because the NYFD Fire Chiefs (who were on-scene and themselves killed) stupidly let their Personnel into the area which was predictably going to be a "zero-survivor zone" - subjected to the collapse we all saw on video. <p>Freed <br> <br> <br> <br> <p>"Ricardo M. Forno" wrote: <blockquote TYPE=CITE><style></style> <font size=-1>But the tower went down starting from near the top, whereas in an "imploding" building charges exploded in the base make it go down from the base up. This seems not only politically unexplainable, but also nearly physically unexplainable. So I am inclined to agree with the explanation given by the newspapers (at least here in Argentina): the fire affected the iron structure at the point of impact, making the flat (or flats) to collapse. Then the weight of the superimposed flats hit the next flat downward, making it collapse, etc. Anyway, it is very strange that it did not go to one or the other side and rather went down very straight. When the second tower fell, I think I saw a fireball coming out from the point of impact, as if an explosion had taken place.</font> <blockquote dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----</div> <div style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><b>From:</b><a href="mailto:kmaclean@ic.net" title="kmaclean@ic.net">Ken MacLean</a></div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:fractint@lists.xmission.com" title="fractint@lists.xmission.com">fractint@lists.xmission.com</a></div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 14, 2001 12:02 AM</div> <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: (fractint) WTC</div> Maybe that's it! If the Iluminati killed Mr. Icke, wouldn't that would pretty much tend to validate what he is saying? I don't know. I just posted that for an alternative point of view. I'm not saying it's God's truth. All I know is that the video of the WTC tower shows it going straight down, like an imploded building. The odds of that happening in an "accident" are enormous. <br>-- Ken <p>"Paul N. Lee" wrote: <blockquote TYPE="CITE">JimMuth@aol.com wrote: <br>> <br>> If the illuminatti is so secret, so powerful, <br>> and so all-pervasive, why do they permit <br>> Mr. Icke to reveal their secret plans? <br>> <p>So he can advertise his books in every article, and then sell them?? <p>P.N.L. <br>-------------------------------------------------------------- <br><a href="http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go">http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go</a> <p>-------------------------------------------------------------- <br>Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List <br>Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com <br>Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" <br>Administrator: twegner@fractint.org <br>Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint"</blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> </body> </html> Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kathy Roth <kroth@well.com> Subject: Re: (fractint) WTC colllapse BS Date: 14 Sep 2001 23:41:26 -0700 What I find the most frightening in all of this is that the people who did this and their supporters clearly had the education to pilot the planes, and to choose the targets in this fashion (floor 40-90), and they still thought it was a good idea to target civilians in this way. There have always been people who were very crazy or very violent , but you don't think of them as quietly fitting in long enough to understand all this. Or there's the "mad scientist" of Frankenstein or 60's anti-war movie legend but you don't picture them working cooperatively in groups. The people who did this were sane- that's what is the most frightening. Kathy Roth bmc1@airmail.net wrote: > (snip) > SUMMARIZED, their (rather self-evident) comments are: > > You put a 757/767 @ 350 mph, w/ an essentially full load of "Jet Fuel > A" on board into the upper 2/3rds of either of those buildings, and > you can calculate - based on Freshman College-level statics equations, > that the structural steel (melting T = ~1000F; Jet A burns @ 1300F) > will have melted within less than 2-3 hrs, the concret columns will > have been severley thermally weakened as well, and the the rest - we > all saw on TV: > CATASTROPHIC FAILURE OF THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE, IN WHICH THE MASS OF THE > UPERMOST 20-30 STORIES LITERALLY JACKHAMMERED THE REST OF THE BUILDING > DOWN WHEN IT "IMPLODED" [COLLAPSED ON ITSELF]. > > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kathy Roth <kroth@well.com> Subject: Re: (fractint) WTC colllapse BS Date: 14 Sep 2001 23:57:13 -0700 Well, maybe that's wrong- people have always worked together using the latest technology, from the stone axe to Hiroshima, to kill each other. And killing non-combatants isn't new either- look at the settlement of the US and the treatment of Indian women and children. So maybe it's just that it hits so close to home- or maybe just the idea that understanding technology in the hands of fanatics is frightening. Kathy Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Morgan L. Owens" <packrat@nznet.gen.nz> Subject: Re: (fractint) WTC Date: 15 Sep 2001 19:00:33 +1200 At 20:37 14/09/2001 -0300, Ricardo M. Forno wrote: >But the tower went down starting from near the top, whereas in an >"imploding" building charges exploded in the base make it go down from the >base up. This seems not only politically unexplainable, but also nearly >physically unexplainable. So I am inclined to agree with the explanation >given by the newspapers (at least here in Argentina): the fire affected >the iron structure at the point of impact, making the flat (or flats) to >collapse. Then the weight of the superimposed flats hit the next flat >downward, making it collapse, etc. Anyway, it is very strange that it did >not go to one or the other side and rather went down very straight. As you said yourself, when a building is demolished by implosion the charges are planted at the base. More exactly, they're put throughout the building and timed so as to aim the debris inwards - any bits that are to fall have their supports removed on the inward side first. But the damage to the WTC towers was near the top, and that's where it started to fall. Their bases were fine, and remained so until the wreckage fell on them from above; no damage or weakened points to crumple and serve as pivots around which a toppling could take place. Since the upper floors fell inward at the start, they were funnelled down and inwards by the shell surrounding the floors below - until it gave way and burst, floor by floor. After that it was all momentum. Morgan L. Owens "The scale still hasn't struck me yet." Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Lewis <jlewis@clara.net> Subject: Re: (fractint) www.fractalus.com Date: 15 Sep 2001 08:18:56 +0100 On Fri, 14 Sep 2001 10:38:37 +0000, Andrew Coppin wrote: Anyway, I remembered some years back visiting www. fractalus.= com. So I went back there and had a browse around. OH MY GOD!!! Somebody please tell me why on earth I don't look= around this site more often... It's BRILLIANT! I don't know who runs= this thing Andrew thanks for drawing my attention to this site. However, do you know what the message is at the top right corner= - it does not display properly on m PC (Opera/Win Me), please? John -- John Lewis, jlewis@clara.net on 09/15/2001 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott D. Boyd" <sdboyd56@swbell.net> Subject: Re: (fractint) www.fractalus.com Date: 15 Sep 2001 17:20:09 -0500 On Saturday 15 September 2001 02:18, John wrote: > > thanks for drawing my attention to this site. > However, do you know what the message is at the top right corner - it > does not display properly on m PC (Opera/Win Me), please? > > John > -- John Lewis, jlewis@clara.net on 09/15/2001 If you don't have your mouse pointer over the graphic in the center (which is a map), the default message to the upper right is: Welcome! If you're looking for the Fractal-Art 2000 Contest, it's on it's own site this year, so head on over to www.contest2k.com and take a look. Same people, same contest, just a new site! (Don't forget to come back here when you're done.) The message displayed depends on where your mouse pointer is at, and is dependant on Javascript, which I don't think works correctly with the Opera browser. Scott Boyd Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kelly christiansen <darkwolf1_us@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: (fractint) www.fractalus.com Date: 15 Sep 2001 15:42:45 -0700 (PDT) the site belongs to Damien Jones I believe. Another site you might want to check out is www.ultrafractal.com --- "Scott D. Boyd" <sdboyd56@swbell.net> wrote: > On Saturday 15 September 2001 02:18, John wrote: > > > > thanks for drawing my attention to this site. > > However, do you know what the message is at the top right corner - it > > does not display properly on m PC (Opera/Win Me), please? > > > > John > > -- John Lewis, jlewis@clara.net on 09/15/2001 > > If you don't have your mouse pointer over the graphic in the center (which is > > a map), the default message to the upper right is: > > Welcome! > If you're looking for the Fractal-Art 2000 Contest, it's on it's own site > this year, so head on over to www.contest2k.com and take a look. Same people, > > same contest, just a new site! (Don't forget to come back here when you're > done.) > > The message displayed depends on where your mouse pointer is at, and is > dependant on Javascript, which I don't think works correctly with the Opera > browser. > > Scott Boyd > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ===== ****************************************************************** To subscribe to fractaltalk, send a message to listar@wru.org with "subscribe fractaltalk" in the body. To unsubscribe from fractaltalk, send a message to listar@wru.org with "unsubscribe fractaltalk" in the body. ****************************************************************** __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" <dmj@fractalus.com> Subject: Re: (fractint) www.fractalus.com Date: 15 Sep 2001 18:44:05 -0400 John, - thanks for drawing my attention to this site. - However, do you know what the message is at the top right corner - it - does not display properly on m PC (Opera/Win Me), please? Andrew already responded with the correct text. I'm sorry about the JavaScript not working with Opera; there's supposed to be some sniffer code that redirects affected users to a JavaScript-less page, but I guess it's not working with your browser/OS combo. I'm working on a revision and expansion of the site, which is why I haven't fixed the code that's there. I don't know when it's going to be ready. Thanks for visiting, though. Several of the artists exhibiting there are long-time FractInt users. Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ Fractalus Galleries & Info: \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ Please do not post my e-mail address on a web site or in a newsgroup. Thank you. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Damien M. Jones" <dmj@fractalus.com> Subject: Re: (fractint) www.fractalus.com Date: 15 Sep 2001 21:30:55 -0400 Whoops! - Andrew already responded with the correct text. Actually Scott did that. Sorry, Scott! Damien M. Jones \\ dmj@fractalus.com \\ Fractalus Galleries & Info: \\ http://www.fractalus.com/ Please do not post my e-mail address on a web site or in a newsgroup. Thank you. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Christenson <mchris@value.net> Subject: (fractint) Colors of Freedom (a PAR) Date: 16 Sep 2001 11:41:12 -0700 comment { ramblings by Mark "Bud" Christenson 9/16/01 It has been quite a while since I posted a PAR, but I was inspired. I had a rather odd-looking fractal found at the end of August that I was trying to decide how to color. Last week's events sealed its fate. Three colors which mean freedom to so many around the world (more countries use only two of the three), with gold trim. } gjv3-0# { ; "Colors of Freedom", (c) Mark "Bud" Christenson 2001 (15 Sept) reset=2000 type=formula formulafile=frac_ml.frm formulaname=gravijul-v3 function=tanh/sinh/acos passes=t center-mag=-0.947/0.539/5.81/1/90 params=-0.96/-0.457/0/0.15/4/0 float=y maxiter=151 inside=0 decomp=256 periodicity=0 cyclerange=0/255 sound=beep/fm colors=000zzz<11>eezcczaaz<3>WWzVVyUUy<3>PPuOOtNNs<19>55_44Z33Y22X11W00U\ <14>EENFFNGGM<2>JJLKKKLLL<14>hhhjjjkkklll<3>ssstttvvvxxxzzz<45>HHH<4>CCC\ <25>p33r22s22<3>z00<14>e00d00b00<3>X00ROA<6>`XHbZId_J<3>idNjeNkfOmgPohQ<\ 3>unUwpVyrW0`0<25>0z0 } frm:gravijul-v3 { ; Variation on Mark Christenson's gravijul by Sylvie Gallet z = pixel: w = fn1(z) z = fn3(fn2(w*w)^p1) + p2 |z| < p3 } Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: (fractint) FOTD 17-09-01 (Fractal Diversion [5]) Date: 17 Sep 2001 00:47:16 EDT FOTD -- September 17, 2001 (Rating 5) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: It's been five days since the last FOTD. I'm still in a pretty down mood, but despite conditions, I've still managed to create a few fractals. One of them I found worthy of being declared FOTD for September 17. The formula that drew the image is 0.5(Z^2.22)+Z^(-2)+(1/C), one that I picked almost at random. I named the picture "Fractal Diversion", because searching for fractals is a great way to fight a spell of brooding. The image is about average in quality, rating a 6. The parameter file renders in 10 minutes; the GIF image downloads in 1/10th that time from: <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html> or from: <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html> The fractal weather today was perfectly perfect, with cloudless blue skies void of even the usual contrails. The fractal cats enjoyed the temperature of 77F 25C by sleeping together in their favorite porch chair. As for me, I'm still in a kind of funk, thinking of more questions that the wisest person could answer. Once I get my thoughts and questions organized, I'll post them to the philofractal list. I'll try to return in 24 hours or so with another FOTD, but there is no guarantee. Until next time, whenever than may be, take care, and be of stout heart. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Fractal_Diversion { ; time=0:10:00.34--SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=allinone.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 center-mag=-0.34996163703208750/+0.005995128423488\ 59/3.278742e+008/1/70 params=0.5/2.22/1/-2/0/0 float=y maxiter=1200 inside=bof60 outside=tdis colors=0006aQ3_S4ZT5YU6XU6WV7WV8VW8UW9TXASYBSYBRZC\ QZDP_DP_COZBNZAMZALY9LY8KY8JX7IX6HX6HX8J_9LaANcBPf\ DRhETjFVmGXoHYqIWnIVlIUiJTgJSdJRbJQ`IO_IM_IK_HI_HG\ _HFZHDZGBZG9ZG7ZG6ZHA`HEbIIcIMeJQfJUhKXiK`kLdmLhnM\ lpMpqNtsNwtLokJgcI`VGTNFMFCPCAS97V65Y33_1FY4QW7aUA\ lSDoTBrT9SGI14Q66OB8MG9KLBIPCGUEEZFCcHAgI9eLBcNCaP\ D_REYTGWVHUXITZJR`LPbMNdNLfOJhQHjRFlSEnTFjRFfPFcOG\ _MGWLGTJHPIHLGHIFINKJROKVTKZXLb`MfeNjiNnmRklUikYfk\ `djdajg_ikXinVhqThjYdda`ZeXTjUNnQHrMBvJBrIBoIBlIBi\ IBfHBcHB`HBYHBVGBSGBPGBMGBJFBGFBDFBAFCGLCMRDSXDXbD\ bhEhnEntEsyHFgJEcKE_LDXMDTNCPOCMPBIQBERABSA7TA4RD8\ PGCOIFMLJLONJQQITUGWYFY`D`dCchAek9ho7ks6mv7kt7jr7h\ q7go7fm8dl8cj8bh8`g8_e8ZdRXNRVMRULTWKUYJV_IWaHYcGZ\ dF_fE`hEbjDclCdmBeoAgq9hs8iu7jv7CbaM_hVXocUu`RsZOr\ XLqVIpTFoRCnP9mN6lL4kJ7mI9oHBpGDrEFtDHuCJwBLxIHwPD\ vW9vb5uh1ue8tcEsHjJDgMAdO } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew Coppin" <orphi69@hotmail.com> Subject: (fractint) My World 1st (?) in Fractals... Date: 17 Sep 2001 12:42:15 +0000 Hello people. Kerry may have beaten me to applying fractal mappings to photographs, but I am hitting back with what I believe is a world first! Is anyone here familier with the WinAmp software? Any regular WinAmp user should know about Nullsoft's AVS - Advanced Visualisation System. In case you've never heard of it, I'll try to explain... Firstly, "WinAmp" is short for "Windows Amplifier". Tt's a music player; it plays mp3's and so forth. And it has different kinds of plugings; "input" pluggins allow it to play new file formats (.mp3, .wav, .aiff, etc). "output" pluggins allow it to play through new hardware. "dsp" pluggins add echos and other sound effects. And, of course, "visualisation" pluggins gererate pretty pictures that dance to the music! 8-) Once upon a time, WinAmp visualisation pluggins were things that drew osciliscope traces, maybe TTF scopes, etc, all in loving 16 colour 320x240 VGA. Then suddenly Gueiss came along! This thing draws in 256 colours. Basically, it draws a normal osciliscope trace. But on the next frame, instead of clearing the previouse image, in "warps" it (and blurs it too), and then draws the next frame of osciliscope over the top. The result? Swirling, spiralling, twisting, turning osciliscope traces in mind-blowing colour schemes! (Very yummy!) Now, Gueiss has a number of "delta maps" - zoom in, zoom out, zoom & rotate, quadratic zoom (zooms faster round the edges then the middle for a "perspective"/"tunnel" effect), etc, etc. It even has one which looks like ripples on water! Anyway, AVS extends the idea - but here, like FractInt, you can enter your own formulas for the delta maps! ;-) A formula like "x=1.01*x; y=1.01*y;" gives your standard "zoom" delta map. Now, instead of looking at each pixel and calculating where to write it's colour value to (which would cause all sorts of aliasing artifacts), AVS looks at each pixel and uses the formula to work out where to read that pixel's new colour from. The long and short of it is, if you delete the above formula and substitute, say, "x=x*x-y*y+0.3; y+2*x*y+0.1;", then the osciliscope trace magically morphs into the shape of a quadratic Julia set!!! (Well... actually I simplify! See below.) And it looks totally trippy! #8-0 And it crawls at an unimpressive 7fps at 800x600 (mind you, AVS never was that fast - the fact that the interpreter can reinterpret the formula for all 800x600 individual pixels 7 times in just one second is impressive!) What's more, you can get the Julia seed (c) to vary with the beat of the music ;-) ... So what are the simplifications I've left out? Well, first of all, "x=...; y=...;" won't work. You have to write something like "t=...; y=...; x=t;", otherwise the new Y is calculated from the old Y but the new X (WRONG!) Next, WinAmp's coordinate axis (very helpfully) runs from -1 to +1 on both axis (so the user can resize the window without upsetting the graphics). So you have to scale that to +/- 2 instead. All in all, the complete formula is: zr=x*2; zi=y*1.5; nr=zr*zr - zi*zi + cr; ni=2*zr*zi + ci; x=nr/2; y=ni/1.5; Why the difference is scaling factor? To correct the aspect ratio! (Don't quite know why I need to, but the above formula produces an "unsquashed" Julia... I guess WinAmp is automatically [over] correcting or something.) ... One final thing... can someone construct a formula for me? I want a formula of the form f(t) such that f(0) = 0.25, f(pi)=-0.75, and f(pi/2)=0.7i... in short, a parametric formula which will trace out the shape of the main Mandelbrot "blob". (But not the infinity of buds attached to it of course! Just the period 1 region.) Can this be done? I was thinking maybe something along the lines of f(t)=(cos t, sin t)*g(t) though I still have to work out what g(t) is... maybe? Thanks. Andrew. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bmc1@airmail.net Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTD 17-09-01 (Fractal Diversion [5]) Date: 17 Sep 2001 08:45:27 -0500 Jim - Glad you felt like doing a few more. Thanks for brightening up my Monday morning. D. Freed JimMuth@aol.com wrote: > FOTD -- September 17, 2001 (Rating 5) > > Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: > > It's been five days since the last FOTD. I'm still in a pretty > down mood, but despite conditions, I've still managed to create > a few fractals. One of them I found worthy of being declared > FOTD for September 17. > > The formula that drew the image is 0.5(Z^2.22)+Z^(-2)+(1/C), one > that I picked almost at random. I named the picture "Fractal > Diversion", because searching for fractals is a great way to > fight a spell of brooding. The image is about average in > quality, rating a 6. > > The parameter file renders in 10 minutes; the GIF image > downloads in 1/10th that time from: > > <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html> > > or from: > > <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html> > > The fractal weather today was perfectly perfect, with cloudless > blue skies void of even the usual contrails. The fractal cats > enjoyed the temperature of 77F 25C by sleeping together in their > favorite porch chair. > > As for me, I'm still in a kind of funk, thinking of more > questions that the wisest person could answer. Once I get my > thoughts and questions organized, I'll post them to the > philofractal list. I'll try to return in 24 hours or so with > another FOTD, but there is no guarantee. Until next time, > whenever than may be, take care, and be of stout heart. > > Jim Muth > jamth@mindspring.com > > START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ > > Fractal_Diversion { ; time=0:10:00.34--SF5 on a P200 > reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=allinone.frm > formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 > center-mag=-0.34996163703208750/+0.005995128423488\ > 59/3.278742e+008/1/70 params=0.5/2.22/1/-2/0/0 > float=y maxiter=1200 inside=bof60 outside=tdis > colors=0006aQ3_S4ZT5YU6XU6WV7WV8VW8UW9TXASYBSYBRZC\ > QZDP_DP_COZBNZAMZALY9LY8KY8JX7IX6HX6HX8J_9LaANcBPf\ > DRhETjFVmGXoHYqIWnIVlIUiJTgJSdJRbJQ`IO_IM_IK_HI_HG\ > _HFZHDZGBZG9ZG7ZG6ZHA`HEbIIcIMeJQfJUhKXiK`kLdmLhnM\ > lpMpqNtsNwtLokJgcI`VGTNFMFCPCAS97V65Y33_1FY4QW7aUA\ > lSDoTBrT9SGI14Q66OB8MG9KLBIPCGUEEZFCcHAgI9eLBcNCaP\ > D_REYTGWVHUXITZJR`LPbMNdNLfOJhQHjRFlSEnTFjRFfPFcOG\ > _MGWLGTJHPIHLGHIFINKJROKVTKZXLb`MfeNjiNnmRklUikYfk\ > `djdajg_ikXinVhqThjYdda`ZeXTjUNnQHrMBvJBrIBoIBlIBi\ > IBfHBcHB`HBYHBVGBSGBPGBMGBJFBGFBDFBAFCGLCMRDSXDXbD\ > bhEhnEntEsyHFgJEcKE_LDXMDTNCPOCMPBIQBERABSA7TA4RD8\ > PGCOIFMLJLONJQQITUGWYFY`D`dCchAek9ho7ks6mv7kt7jr7h\ > q7go7fm8dl8cj8bh8`g8_e8ZdRXNRVMRULTWKUYJV_IWaHYcGZ\ > dF_fE`hEbjDclCdmBeoAgq9hs8iu7jv7CbaM_hVXocUu`RsZOr\ > XLqVIpTFoRCnP9mN6lL4kJ7mI9oHBpGDrEFtDHuCJwBLxIHwPD\ > vW9vb5uh1ue8tcEsHjJDgMAdO > } > > frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth > a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), > g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, > k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): > z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, > |z| < l > } > > END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken MacLean <kmaclean@ic.net> Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTD 17-09-01 (Fractal Diversion [5]) Date: 17 Sep 2001 11:51:57 -0400 Thanks Jim for getting back in the saddle! JimMuth@aol.com wrote: > FOTD -- September 17, 2001 (Rating 5) > > Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: > > It's been five days since the last FOTD. I'm still in a pretty > down mood, but despite conditions, I've still managed to create > a few fractals. One of them I found worthy of being declared > FOTD for September 17. > > The formula that drew the image is 0.5(Z^2.22)+Z^(-2)+(1/C), one > that I picked almost at random. I named the picture "Fractal > Diversion", because searching for fractals is a great way to > fight a spell of brooding. The image is about average in > quality, rating a 6. > > The parameter file renders in 10 minutes; the GIF image > downloads in 1/10th that time from: > > <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html> > > or from: > > <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html> > > The fractal weather today was perfectly perfect, with cloudless > blue skies void of even the usual contrails. The fractal cats > enjoyed the temperature of 77F 25C by sleeping together in their > favorite porch chair. > > As for me, I'm still in a kind of funk, thinking of more > questions that the wisest person could answer. Once I get my > thoughts and questions organized, I'll post them to the > philofractal list. I'll try to return in 24 hours or so with > another FOTD, but there is no guarantee. Until next time, > whenever than may be, take care, and be of stout heart. > > Jim Muth > jamth@mindspring.com > > START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ > > Fractal_Diversion { ; time=0:10:00.34--SF5 on a P200 > reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=allinone.frm > formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 > center-mag=-0.34996163703208750/+0.005995128423488\ > 59/3.278742e+008/1/70 params=0.5/2.22/1/-2/0/0 > float=y maxiter=1200 inside=bof60 outside=tdis > colors=0006aQ3_S4ZT5YU6XU6WV7WV8VW8UW9TXASYBSYBRZC\ > QZDP_DP_COZBNZAMZALY9LY8KY8JX7IX6HX6HX8J_9LaANcBPf\ > DRhETjFVmGXoHYqIWnIVlIUiJTgJSdJRbJQ`IO_IM_IK_HI_HG\ > _HFZHDZGBZG9ZG7ZG6ZHA`HEbIIcIMeJQfJUhKXiK`kLdmLhnM\ > lpMpqNtsNwtLokJgcI`VGTNFMFCPCAS97V65Y33_1FY4QW7aUA\ > lSDoTBrT9SGI14Q66OB8MG9KLBIPCGUEEZFCcHAgI9eLBcNCaP\ > D_REYTGWVHUXITZJR`LPbMNdNLfOJhQHjRFlSEnTFjRFfPFcOG\ > _MGWLGTJHPIHLGHIFINKJROKVTKZXLb`MfeNjiNnmRklUikYfk\ > `djdajg_ikXinVhqThjYdda`ZeXTjUNnQHrMBvJBrIBoIBlIBi\ > IBfHBcHB`HBYHBVGBSGBPGBMGBJFBGFBDFBAFCGLCMRDSXDXbD\ > bhEhnEntEsyHFgJEcKE_LDXMDTNCPOCMPBIQBERABSA7TA4RD8\ > PGCOIFMLJLONJQQITUGWYFY`D`dCchAek9ho7ks6mv7kt7jr7h\ > q7go7fm8dl8cj8bh8`g8_e8ZdRXNRVMRULTWKUYJV_IWaHYcGZ\ > dF_fE`hEbjDclCdmBeoAgq9hs8iu7jv7CbaM_hVXocUu`RsZOr\ > XLqVIpTFoRCnP9mN6lL4kJ7mI9oHBpGDrEFtDHuCJwBLxIHwPD\ > vW9vb5uh1ue8tcEsHjJDgMAdO > } > > frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth > a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), > g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, > k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): > z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, > |z| < l > } > > END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Programmer Dude <cjsonnack@mmm.com> Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTD 17-09-01 (Fractal Diversion [5]) Date: 17 Sep 2001 10:59:31 -0500 JimMuth@aol.com wrote: > FOTD -- September 17, 2001 (Rating 5) Welcome back, Jim! -- |_ CJSonnack <Chris@Sonnack.com> _____________| How's my programming? | |_ http://www.Sonnack.com/ ___________________| Call: 1-800-DEV-NULL | |_____________________________________________|_______________________| Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Lewis <jlewis@clara.net> Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTD 17-09-01 (Fractal Diversion [5]) Date: 17 Sep 2001 07:37:15 +0100 Jim Thanks for the new FOTD. Its one thing I looked forward to each= day. John -- John Lewis, jlewis@clara.net on 09/17/2001 Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Morgan L. Owens" <packrat@nznet.gen.nz> Subject: Re: (fractint) My World 1st (?) in Fractals... Date: 18 Sep 2001 22:43:06 +1200 At 12:42 17/09/2001 +0000, Andrwew Coppin wrote: >....The long and short of it is, if you delete the above formula and >substitute, say, "x=x*x-y*y+0.3; y+2*x*y+0.1;", then the osciliscope trace >magically morphs into the shape of a quadratic Julia set!!! And I read this after tinkering with AVS while carrying out my role as unofficial office DJ for the past few weeks. 'Scuse me while I bang my forehead against the desk. >a parametric formula which will trace out the shape of the main Mandelbrot >"blob". (But not the infinity of buds attached to it of course! Just the >period 1 region.) Can this be done? I was thinking maybe something along >the lines of > f(t)=(cos t, sin t)*g(t) >though I still have to work out what g(t) is... maybe? If you mean the cardioid, I guess f(t)=(cos t,sin t)*a*(1+cos(t)) would be a place to start. Morgan L. Owens "*bonk*bonk*bonk*" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: (fractint) FOTD 18-09-01 (In a Remote Valley [4]) Date: 18 Sep 2001 11:14:20 EDT FOTD -- September 18, 2001 (Rating 4) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: I'm feeling a bit more optimistic today, but still on the down side -- not so far down however that I couldn't find a fractal. Today's fractal offering, which is a scene in a remote valley of the Mandelbrot set, rates a less-than-average 4. It's an unassuming image, showing a midget typical of many in the more remote valleys. I named the rather somber image "In a Remote Valley", a poetic name with just the slightest hint of darkness. The image renders in 13 minutes from the parameter file. It downloads much faster from: <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html> or from: <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html> But before going for the download, give Paul and Scott a chance to render and post the GIF image. The fractal weather today was very pleasant, with sunny skies, a temperature of 81F 27C, and light winds. The fractal cats, who enjoy such conditions, took their enjoyment on the porch and in the yard. On the philosophical side, some major changes in my philosophical outlook have taken place. I'll go into details in future FOTD messages posted to the philofractal list, but in brief, I now consider myself a confirmed theist rather than an agnostic. I am fully convinced that God is more than just a comforting idea that exists only in the human mind. Also, due to recent personal experiences, I am now convinced that at least some of the things currently considered paranormal are in fact real, and involve a transcendental spiritual world, which is every bit as real as the physical. Sharing these discoveries will become the major focus of the philofractal version of the FOTD. For those who prefer their fractals without philosophy, the fractint version will remain philosophy free. Until next time, take care, and see you soon. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ In_a_Remote_Valley { ; time=0:13:29.49--SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=mandel passes=1 center-mag=-1.38126222287570800/+0.014180289196416\ 83/8.29365e+008/1/132.499 params=0/0 float=y maxiter=180000 inside=0 logmap=18140 colors=000004zmLzpOzsQzuTzxXzz_zzazzdzzgzzjzzmzzpz\ zszzvzzxxzuvzrszorzlozimzflzciz`gzYdzVczSazQ`zV_zY\ _zaYzdXyiXxlVupVssTrxSozSmzQjzPizPfzOdzOczSfzVgzYj\ z`lzdmzgpvjrrmumpvjuxfxzazzYzzTzzPzzLzzGzzCzz9_sp`\ yoazoczodzofzofzogzpizrjzslvumovoixpcymdujdrifoffj\ dggagd_g`YiYViVTjQQjOPjLTmPXpS_sXav_dycgzfjzjmzmpz\ rszuvzyyzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzxzz\ uzzrzzozzlzzizzfzzczz`zzYzzVzzSzzPzzMzyJzxGzwDzuAz\ s7zq4zo1zm4zk6zi7zg9zeCzcDzaFz_GzYJzWLyUMxUOvUPuUS\ vUVvgYxd`x`cyXfySizPlzLozGrzDuzFsrFriFp`FoSFmJFlAG\ oDIpGJsJJuLLxOMyQOzTOzVPzYQz`SzcSzdTzgVzjXzmXzoVzl\ TzjSygQrfPjcOcaMX`L_cJafIdiGfjFimDlpCmrApu9sx7uy6x\ z4zz3zz1zz0zz0zzOvzjizzXzzSxxOosLgfGzgCzgAzoAzvAzz\ 9uz9lz9dzD`zGYzJVzMSzPPzTLzXIz_FzaCzd9zg6zj6zm6zp6\ zs6zv6zpCzjGzfMz`QzVXzQ`zLfzGjzMpzSuzYzzczzizzozzl\ zzjpzgdzfTzdIziPzmXzrczuj } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Programmer Dude <cjsonnack@mmm.com> Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTD 18-09-01 (In a Remote Valley [4]) Date: 18 Sep 2001 12:36:34 -0500 JimMuth@aol.com wrote: > On the philosophical side, some major changes in my > philosophical outlook have taken place. I'll go into details in > future FOTD messages posted to the philofractal list, but in > brief, I now consider myself a confirmed theist rather than an > agnostic. I am fully convinced that God is more than just a > comforting idea that exists only in the human mind. Also, due > to recent personal experiences, I am now convinced that at least > some of the things currently considered paranormal are in fact > real, and involve a transcendental spiritual world, which is > every bit as real as the physical. Wow! That IS quite a change. Kewl!! > Sharing these discoveries will become the major focus of the > philofractal version of the FOTD. I think I'll have to join that list just to see what you have to say. Looking forward to it! regards, -Chris -- |_ CJSonnack <Chris@Sonnack.com> _____________| How's my programming? | |_ http://www.Sonnack.com/ ___________________| Call: 1-800-DEV-NULL | |_____________________________________________|_______________________| Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bmc1@airmail.net Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTD 18-09-01 (In a Remote Valley [4]) Date: 18 Sep 2001 13:09:57 -0500 Really. This could be catching. God????? Programmer Dude wrote: > JimMuth@aol.com wrote: > > > On the philosophical side, some major changes in my > > philosophical outlook have taken place. I'll go into details in > > future FOTD messages posted to the philofractal list, but in > > brief, I now consider myself a confirmed theist rather than an > > agnostic. I am fully convinced that God is more than just a > > comforting idea that exists only in the human mind. Also, due > > to recent personal experiences, I am now convinced that at least > > some of the things currently considered paranormal are in fact > > real, and involve a transcendental spiritual world, which is > > every bit as real as the physical. > > Wow! That IS quite a change. Kewl!! > > > Sharing these discoveries will become the major focus of the > > philofractal version of the FOTD. > > I think I'll have to join that list just to see what you have > to say. Looking forward to it! > > regards, > -Chris > > -- > |_ CJSonnack <Chris@Sonnack.com> _____________| How's my programming? | > |_ http://www.Sonnack.com/ ___________________| Call: 1-800-DEV-NULL | > |_____________________________________________|_______________________| > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Programmer Dude <cjsonnack@mmm.com> Subject: (fractint) Flag Bitmaps Date: 18 Sep 2001 12:59:34 -0500 Those who don't already have something like this, but who would like an American Flag for their Windows Wallpaper can get them from my website at: http://www.Sonnack.com/WillCall/Flag.html Three sizes available. -- |_ CJSonnack <Chris@Sonnack.com> _____________| How's my programming? | |_ http://www.Sonnack.com/ ___________________| Call: 1-800-DEV-NULL | |_____________________________________________|_______________________| Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ken MacLean <kmaclean@ic.net> Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTD 18-09-01 (In a Remote Valley [4]) Date: 18 Sep 2001 16:27:35 -0400 Jim -- Because I enjoy your philosophizing so much and am new to the fractint list, would you give me the link to the "philofractal" version of FOTD? I totally agree with your take on the reality of a transcendental spiritual world. - Ken JimMuth@aol.com wrote: > FOTD -- September 18, 2001 (Rating 4) > > Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: > > I'm feeling a bit more optimistic today, but still on the down > side -- not so far down however that I couldn't find a fractal. > > Today's fractal offering, which is a scene in a remote valley of > the Mandelbrot set, rates a less-than-average 4. It's an > unassuming image, showing a midget typical of many in the more > remote valleys. > > I named the rather somber image "In a Remote Valley", a poetic > name with just the slightest hint of darkness. The image > renders in 13 minutes from the parameter file. It downloads > much faster from: > > <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html> > > or from: > > <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html> > > But before going for the download, give Paul and Scott a chance > to render and post the GIF image. > > The fractal weather today was very pleasant, with sunny skies, a > temperature of 81F 27C, and light winds. The fractal cats, who > enjoy such conditions, took their enjoyment on the porch and in > the yard. > > On the philosophical side, some major changes in my > philosophical outlook have taken place. I'll go into details in > future FOTD messages posted to the philofractal list, but in > brief, I now consider myself a confirmed theist rather than an > agnostic. I am fully convinced that God is more than just a > comforting idea that exists only in the human mind. Also, due > to recent personal experiences, I am now convinced that at least > some of the things currently considered paranormal are in fact > real, and involve a transcendental spiritual world, which is > every bit as real as the physical. Sharing these discoveries > will become the major focus of the philofractal version of the > FOTD. For those who prefer their fractals without philosophy, > the fractint version will remain philosophy free. > > Until next time, take care, and see you soon. > > Jim Muth > jamth@mindspring.com > > START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ > > In_a_Remote_Valley { ; time=0:13:29.49--SF5 on a P200 > reset=2001 type=mandel passes=1 > center-mag=-1.38126222287570800/+0.014180289196416\ > 83/8.29365e+008/1/132.499 params=0/0 float=y > maxiter=180000 inside=0 logmap=18140 > colors=000004zmLzpOzsQzuTzxXzz_zzazzdzzgzzjzzmzzpz\ > zszzvzzxxzuvzrszorzlozimzflzciz`gzYdzVczSazQ`zV_zY\ > _zaYzdXyiXxlVupVssTrxSozSmzQjzPizPfzOdzOczSfzVgzYj\ > z`lzdmzgpvjrrmumpvjuxfxzazzYzzTzzPzzLzzGzzCzz9_sp`\ > yoazoczodzofzofzogzpizrjzslvumovoixpcymdujdrifoffj\ > dggagd_g`YiYViVTjQQjOPjLTmPXpS_sXav_dycgzfjzjmzmpz\ > rszuvzyyzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzxzz\ > uzzrzzozzlzzizzfzzczz`zzYzzVzzSzzPzzMzyJzxGzwDzuAz\ > s7zq4zo1zm4zk6zi7zg9zeCzcDzaFz_GzYJzWLyUMxUOvUPuUS\ > vUVvgYxd`x`cyXfySizPlzLozGrzDuzFsrFriFp`FoSFmJFlAG\ > oDIpGJsJJuLLxOMyQOzTOzVPzYQz`SzcSzdTzgVzjXzmXzoVzl\ > TzjSygQrfPjcOcaMX`L_cJafIdiGfjFimDlpCmrApu9sx7uy6x\ > z4zz3zz1zz0zz0zzOvzjizzXzzSxxOosLgfGzgCzgAzoAzvAzz\ > 9uz9lz9dzD`zGYzJVzMSzPPzTLzXIz_FzaCzd9zg6zj6zm6zp6\ > zs6zv6zpCzjGzfMz`QzVXzQ`zLfzGjzMpzSuzYzzczzizzozzl\ > zzjpzgdzfTzdIziPzmXzrczuj > } > > END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List > Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com > Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" > Administrator: twegner@fractint.org > Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" <Paul.N.Lee@Worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTD 18-09-01 (In a Remote Valley [4]) Date: 18 Sep 2001 17:38:02 -0500 Chris J. Sonnack (Programmer Dude) wrote: > > JimMuth@aol.com wrote: > > > > Sharing these discoveries will become the major > > focus of the philofractal version of the FOTD. > > I think I'll have to join that list just to see what > you have to say. Looking forward to it! > and Ken MacLean wrote: > > Because I enjoy your philosophizing so much and am > new to the fractint list, would you give me the link > to the "philofractal" version of FOTD? > The two web sites, mine and Scott's, have both versions of the Discussions. Scott uses Jim's sometimes shorter posting to the FractInt List, and I have always used the longer version from the PhiloFractal List: <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html> and <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html> But for those that also wish to get into the "thick of things", here is the information requested: To unsubscribe, e-mail: philofractal-unsubscribe@lists.fractalus.com For additional commands, e-mail: philofractal-help@lists.fractalus.com Sincerely, P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew Coppin" <orphi69@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: (fractint) My World 1st (?) in Fractals... Date: 19 Sep 2001 09:28:04 +0000 >From: "Morgan L. Owens" <packrat@nznet.gen.nz> >Reply-To: fractint@lists.xmission.com >To: fractint@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: (fractint) My World 1st (?) in Fractals... >Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 22:43:06 +1200 > >At 12:42 17/09/2001 +0000, Andrwew Coppin wrote: > >>....The long and short of it is, if you delete the above formula and >>substitute, say, "x=x*x-y*y+0.3; y+2*x*y+0.1;", then the osciliscope trace >>magically morphs into the shape of a quadratic Julia set!!! > >And I read this after tinkering with AVS while carrying out my role as >unofficial office DJ for the past few weeks. You? A DJ? Oh well... Sorry I didn't post sooner! ;-) >'Scuse me while I bang my forehead against the desk. Ooo that's gotta hurt! >>a parametric formula which will trace out the shape of the main Mandelbrot >>"blob". (But not the infinity of buds attached to it of course! Just the >>period 1 region.) Can this be done? I was thinking maybe something along >>the lines of >> f(t)=(cos t, sin t)*g(t) >>though I still have to work out what g(t) is... maybe? > >If you mean the cardioid, I guess f(t)=(cos t,sin t)*a*(1+cos(t)) would be >a place to start. Right... will try... (What the heck is $a$?) >Morgan L. Owens >"*bonk*bonk*bonk*" The sweet sound of pain... ... By the way... usually if the coordinates go offscreen AVS linearly extrapolates the pixel colours... but if you turn "wrap" mode on, then instead when the coordinates go off one edge they wrap round to the other side... the result is a kalidescrope of Julias! 8-0 You really must try this! 8-D Thanks. Andrew. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Morgan L. Owens" <packrat@nznet.gen.nz> Subject: Re: (fractint) My World 1st (?) in Fractals... Date: 19 Sep 2001 22:08:31 +1200 At 09:28 19/09/2001 +0000, Andrew Coppin wrote: >>From: "Morgan L. Owens" <packrat@nznet.gen.nz> >>If you mean the cardioid, I guess f(t)=(cos t,sin t)*a*(1+cos(t)) would be >>a place to start. > >Right... will try... (What the heck is $a$?) Oh, yeah, sorry - that's just a generic scaling parameter. Morgan L. Owens "Not a very good DJ" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rupert Millard" <rupertam@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: (fractint) My World 1st (?) in Fractals... Date: 19 Sep 2001 12:33:50 +0000 Hi, >One final thing... can someone construct a formula for me? I want a formula >of the form f(t) such that f(0) = 0.25, f(pi)=-0.75, and f(pi/2)=0.7i... in >short, a parametric formula which will trace out the shape of the main >Mandelbrot "blob". (But not the infinity of buds attached to it of course! >Just the period 1 region.) Can this be done? I was thinking maybe something >along the lines of > f(t)=(cos t, sin t)*g(t) >though I still have to work out what g(t) is... maybe? You can find the formula that you're looking for here: http://home.earthlink.net/~mrob/pub/muency/r2a.html Mu-Ency doesn't seem to be very well known and, although a lot of the links are dead (as it is split across domains) it is a bible for any body who likes the Mandelbrot Set. It's homepage is here: http://home.earthlink.net/~mrob/pub/muency.html Rupert _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: (fractint) FOTD 19-09-01 (Midget with Dewdrops [6]) Date: 19 Sep 2001 11:18:14 EDT FOTD -- September 19, 2001 (Rating 6) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: As my mood lightens, the fractals are coming easier. Today's fractal for example took me all of 5 minutes to find and all of 50 seconds to render. The iterated formula subtracts Z^(-1.1) from Z^(-0.9). The tiny difference is then multiplied by a factor of -548.998 before adding 1/C. The real(p3) parameter is extremely critical, the slightest change resulting in a totally different image. The midget at the center of the image is actually located on the negative stem of the tiny M-set that forms the parent fractal. (Since the stem points east, I guess it's a positive stem.) The sparkling features surrounding the midget remind me of dewdrops on a spider web. These dewdrops inspired the descriptive but not very poetic name "Midget with Dewdrops". The picture seems just a bit above average as FOTD's go, and as a result has been given a rating of 6. An additional good point of the image is its speed. The parameter file renders in under one minute, leaving the trip to Paul's web site at: <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html> or to Scott's site at: <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html> up to the discretion of the reader. The benefit of the download is the effort saved in copying this letter to your Fractint file in text format and giving it a .par extension. The drawback is that the image will not be available at the two sites until Paul and Scott have had a chance to render and post it. The fractal weather today was partly cloudy with a temperature of 83F 28C -- conditions the fractal cats found ideal. The dynamic duo showed their approval by sleeping side-by-side on the porch chair from 11am until 4pm. That's it for now. Until next time, take care, and the best is yet to come. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ MidgetWithDewdrops { ; time=0:00:50.80--SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=allinone.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 center-mag=+0.023424823411983/0/1.230816e+008/1/180 params=1/-0.9/-1/-1.1/-549.998/800 float=y symmetry=xaxis maxiter=282 inside=0 logmap=27 colors=00006C06C07D08E19F6AGBBHGCILDJQEGVGE_JBdK9i\ L7hM8gJ8eG9dE9bBA`8A_6AlUSzzztompnLmn9lj8kf7kb7jZ6\ iV6iR5hN5gJ4gF4fB3f73dKBcXI`UKYSLWPMTNOQKQOISLGUID\ VGBWD8XA6Y84Z95_95`A5aA5bB5cB5eB5hF7kI9nLAqOCtREwU\ FzXHz_JzbKzeMzhNz90zC2zZUz_Yzabzbfzdjzenz`jzXfzSbz\ OZzJVzFRzBNzDMzELzFKzGMzGNzHOzHQzIRzISzJUzJVzJWzKY\ zKZzL_zLazMbzMczMdzLfzLgzKhzKjzJkzJlzImzIozHpzHqzH\ rzM5zL8zKAzJDzIFzHHzGKzFMzEOzDRzCTzBWzAYz9_z8bz7dz\ 6fz8czAazCZzEXzGVzISzKQzMOzOLzQJzSHzUEzWCzYAzZCz_D\ z`EzaFzbGzbHzcJzdKzeLzfMzj_zgNzS1zU3zV5zW6zX8zY9zZ\ Bz_Cz`EzaFzbHzcIzdKzeLzfNz0cz5azA_zFYzKWzPVzUTzZRz\ cPzhEzgFzgGzgHzgIzgJzgKzgLzgMzgNzgOzkpzjmzjjzigzid\ ziazhZzhWzgTzgQzCWz22z85zD8zIBzNDzTGzYJzbMzZoz_lz`\ izafzbczcazdZzeWzfTzgQztnzZFz_Gz`HzaIzbJzcKzcKzdLz\ eMzfNzgOzMMzONzQNzRNzTNzUNzWNzXNzZOz`OzaOzcOzdOzfO\ zhPzgOzgOzAFzDGzGHzDCzCDz } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bmc1@airmail.net Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTD 19-09-01 (Midget with Dewdrops [6]) Date: 19 Sep 2001 12:23:46 -0500 <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> Fellow Fractaliers - <p>Today's FOTD illustrates the unique - and practical - insights Jim and his body of work represent (and offer additional support for the eventual production of a CD-ROM): <p>Has anyone out there <b>ever</b> seen in the literature - or anywhere else - the information that "- 548.998" is critical to the appearance of this particular fractal image?? I certainly haven't. <p><i>"The iterated formula subtracts Z^(-1.1) from Z^(-0.9). The tiny difference is then multiplied by a factor of <b>-548.998</b> before adding 1/C. The real(p3) parameter is</i> <br><i>extremely critical, <u>the slightest change resulting in a totally different image</u>."</i> <p>Several similar examples occurred in Jim's Commentaries accompanying his FOTD's in August; things that might be dismissed by others as esoteric, but whose ultimate mathematical implications are - I would argue - simply not yet appreciated or understood. <p>Finally, the fact that: <p><i>"[it] took me all of 5 minutes to find and all of 50 seconds to render."</i> <p>simply underlines the motherlode that remains to be mined. <p>Long live the FOTD. <p>D. Freed <br> <br> <br> <br> <p>JimMuth@aol.com wrote: <blockquote TYPE=CITE>FOTD -- September 19, 2001 (Rating 6) <p>Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: <p>As my mood lightens, the fractals are coming easier. Today's <br>fractal for example took me all of 5 minutes to find and all of <br>50 seconds to render. The iterated formula subtracts Z^(-1.1) <br>from Z^(-0.9). The tiny difference is then multiplied by a <br>factor of -548.998 before adding 1/C. The real(p3) parameter is <br>extremely critical, the slightest change resulting in a totally <br>different image. <p>The midget at the center of the image is actually located on the <br>negative stem of the tiny M-set that forms the parent fractal. <br>(Since the stem points east, I guess it's a positive stem.) The <br>sparkling features surrounding the midget remind me of dewdrops <br>on a spider web. These dewdrops inspired the descriptive but <br>not very poetic name "Midget with Dewdrops". The picture seems <br>just a bit above average as FOTD's go, and as a result has been <br>given a rating of 6. <p>An additional good point of the image is its speed. The <br>parameter file renders in under one minute, leaving the trip to <br>Paul's web site at: <p> <<a href="http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html">http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html</a>> <p>or to Scott's site at: <p> <<a href="http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html">http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html</a>> <p>up to the discretion of the reader. The benefit of the download <br>is the effort saved in copying this letter to your Fractint file <br>in text format and giving it a .par extension. The drawback is <br>that the image will not be available at the two sites until Paul <br>and Scott have had a chance to render and post it. <p>The fractal weather today was partly cloudy with a temperature <br>of 83F 28C -- conditions the fractal cats found ideal. The <br>dynamic duo showed their approval by sleeping side-by-side on <br>the porch chair from 11am until 4pm. <p>That's it for now. Until next time, take care, and the best is <br>yet to come. <p>Jim Muth <br>jamth@mindspring.com <p>START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ <p>MidgetWithDewdrops { ; time=0:00:50.80--SF5 on a P200 <br> reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=allinone.frm <br> formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 <br> center-mag=+0.023424823411983/0/1.230816e+008/1/180 <br> params=1/-0.9/-1/-1.1/-549.998/800 float=y <br> symmetry=xaxis maxiter=282 inside=0 logmap=27 <br> colors=00006C06C07D08E19F6AGBBHGCILDJQEGVGE_JBdK9i\ <br> L7hM8gJ8eG9dE9bBA`8A_6AlUSzzztompnLmn9lj8kf7kb7jZ6\ <br> iV6iR5hN5gJ4gF4fB3f73dKBcXI`UKYSLWPMTNOQKQOISLGUID\ <br> VGBWD8XA6Y84Z95_95`A5aA5bB5cB5eB5hF7kI9nLAqOCtREwU\ <br> FzXHz_JzbKzeMzhNz90zC2zZUz_Yzabzbfzdjzenz`jzXfzSbz\ <br> OZzJVzFRzBNzDMzELzFKzGMzGNzHOzHQzIRzISzJUzJVzJWzKY\ <br> zKZzL_zLazMbzMczMdzLfzLgzKhzKjzJkzJlzImzIozHpzHqzH\ <br> rzM5zL8zKAzJDzIFzHHzGKzFMzEOzDRzCTzBWzAYz9_z8bz7dz\ <br> 6fz8czAazCZzEXzGVzISzKQzMOzOLzQJzSHzUEzWCzYAzZCz_D\ <br> z`EzaFzbGzbHzcJzdKzeLzfMzj_zgNzS1zU3zV5zW6zX8zY9zZ\ <br> Bz_Cz`EzaFzbHzcIzdKzeLzfNz0cz5azA_zFYzKWzPVzUTzZRz\ <br> cPzhEzgFzgGzgHzgIzgJzgKzgLzgMzgNzgOzkpzjmzjjzigzid\ <br> ziazhZzhWzgTzgQzCWz22z85zD8zIBzNDzTGzYJzbMzZoz_lz`\ <br> izafzbczcazdZzeWzfTzgQztnzZFz_Gz`HzaIzbJzcKzcKzdLz\ <br> eMzfNzgOzMMzONzQNzRNzTNzUNzWNzXNzZOz`OzaOzcOzdOzfO\ <br> zhPzgOzgOzAFzDGzGHzDCzCDz <br> } <p>frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth <br>a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), <br>g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, <br>k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): <br>z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, <br>|z| < l <br>} <p>END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== <p>-------------------------------------------------------------- <br>Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List <br>Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com <br>Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" <br>Administrator: twegner@fractint.org <br>Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint"</blockquote> </html> Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Silberg Marcel R <MARCEL_SILBERG@Danfoss.dk> Subject: (fractint) Old PAR file ?!? Date: 20 Sep 2001 12:07:48 +0200 I have some old .PAR files for a wery important fractal. The file looks like this: -c-0.064066852367688,-0.100278551532034,4.094707520891365 -t250 -i246 -MG2 -f123 -u60,120,30,100,255,200 Can anyone tell me how to generate this fractal again ?? Please !! Marcel Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Muth <jamth@mindspring.com> Subject: (fractint) FOTD 20-09-01 (Fractured Hysteria [5]) Date: 20 Sep 2001 11:04:15 -0400 (EDT) FOTD -- September 19, 2001 (Rating 5) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: Today's fractal lies at the very edge of resolution, so close in fact that to make the parameter file draw the proper image, I needed to insert a <mathtolerance=/1> command into it by hand. The image was created by the simple formula 100(Z^6)+(Z^2)+C, which was iterated up to 700 times for each pixel. The parent fractal resembles a 2-headed Mandeloid which is not quite critical. Today's scene is located on a filament of a larger midget, which in turn is located on a still larger filament extending from one of the two large eastern bays. There is a hysterical air to the entire scene, which consists of twisted and tortured filaments. The name "Fractured Hysteria" was inspired by this hysteric appearance. The name is not a sign that I am hysterical. Though the parameter file renders in almost exactly 5 minutes on a tired old Pentium 200mhz machine, the best and most convenient way of viewing the image is to give Paul and Scott a chance to render it and post it to their web sites at: <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html> and at: <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html> and to download the image from there. The fractal weather today was a bit more humid, but still very pleasant, with a temperature of 81F 27C. Needing little to satisfy them, the fractal cats lounged most of the day in the porch chair, watching the birds fly by. When one careless bird wandered a bit too close, Tippy chattered and thrashed his tail at it. Of course, the chattering chased the bird off. The fractal cats seem to be losing their natural instincts for catching their own food. As for right now, I'm going to get at least a little work done. Maybe I'll finish before sunset. Until next time, take care, and beware. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Fractured_Hysteria { ; time=0:05:00.02--SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=allinone.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=ident passes=1 center-mag=+0.34466694538467100/+0.160880109814676\ 90/1.15108e+013/1/180 params=100/6/1/2/0/0 float=y maxiter=700 inside=0 logmap=96 mathtolerance=/1 colors=000AAyAAzAAxAAuAArAAnBAiDBdJCXP7OT1D_04d00i\ 00s03x6LzFazO_zXYzdXukTssSrzQdoOT`LIOIFTJC_J9dL6jL\ 3pM0vM0zM0sQ0jT0cX0V_0Ma0FdCGYMIQXJLgLDrM7zc0zP0iC\ DG0V00l01oCDpOQs_hzTYpOVmIQiCOf6La0G_0DV0AS9LXTV_S\ QVQOQQLMfcQuuVzzYmYaS0f3_36X1zPApJJzDQzAYz9cz6jy4p\ v3vi6oY9gMA`9DT0GM0IG0QC7_7Jg3Tp0dy0oz0gr0`a0TM0M6\ 0_70j73v96z97y3Dr0Ji0Pa0V_0OY3GXA9TJ1SS0Q_0LV3GSGC\ PT7Mg3Ju0Gz0g`0z40zF0y90l40`00O00C00J00Q70YF0cM0jT\ 0r`0xg0sX0oL0j91f0Fi9QjJcmToocYVPGCA0006XIAzaCzcDz\ dFzfGzgIyiJxjLvlMulLvlJylIzjGzjGzj7yl0um0po0jo7grT\ gu`gjgg`ogQvgGzg6rgJggVYggOgsDgzGguJgjMgaOgSQgITg9\ Xg0Yg0Vg0Tg9QgJPgSTgDYg0`g0ag0cg7dgJdgTfgcggoigyig\ z`gySgoLgfJgcIg`GgYFgVDgSCgPAgMAjL7mQ4pV1s_0vc0yg0\ zl0zpVz6QzFOzOlzDzz3zzDzzOzzYzzgzzrzzzyzsrzljzcczX\ XzOPzGJz9FzCAzD6zG1zI0zL0zM0zO0zT0z_6zdCzjIzpOzvSz\ zlzzmzzmzzmzzmzz_zzQzzzzz } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: (fractint) FOTD 21-09-01 (The Fractal Blues [7]) Date: 21 Sep 2001 11:09:24 EDT FOTD -- September 21, 2001 (Rating 7) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: I seem to be pulling myself out of the blue mood I've been in for the past week or so. What better time to post a moody blue fractal, and name it "The Fractal Blues"? Things are very busy today however, so this will have to be a short discussion. The formula behind today's image, (Z^4)+2(Z^3)+(1/C), is a very simple one, as are the formulae behind nearly all of my images. All the excitement has been added by the <tdis> outside coloring. I keep the formulae simple because I am frugal. I enjoy doing a lot with a little. And what better way to express frugality than with a fractal -- a mathematical object that finds infinity in a teacup? I rated today's image at an above-average 7. I kind of like the feeling of depth it gives. The parameter file renders in just under 4 minutes. The file of the image is available in GIF format on the W.W.W. at: <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html> and: <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html> But before visiting give Paul and Scott a chance to post it. The fractal weather today (the 20th) was very strained, with a temperature of 72F 22C and heavy clouds that let loose several torrential but brief downpours. The whole day climaxed at 10:30pm when a violent thunder-and-hail storm passed over, frightening the fractal cats into hiding. It's now time to get busy and do what needs to be done. So until next time, take care, and how little we know of the world we live in. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ The_Fractal_Blues { ; time=0:03:52.17--SF5 on a p200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=allinone.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 center-mag=-2.53602432454074400/+0.172721338499729\ 20/6505050/1/-125 params=1/4/2/3/0/0 float=y maxiter=1200 inside=0 outside=tdis colors=0000iy0du0Xs0Qo0Lm0Fi29g42d40b60Z80X90S90QF\ 0NJ0JP0FS0BX68bB4eH0kP0oV0s`0ye0zm0zs0zy0zz0zs0si0\ gZ0XP0LD894F00N00S00X00`20d60gB0kF2mL6qP8uSByZFzbH\ zgLzkPzqQzuVzyXzzz0zz0zz0ww0mo6cgBUbJKVQAPZ0Hd09kz\ UzzUzzUzzUzzUzzUzzUz0Dm0Hi0Ne0Qb0VZ0`V0dQ0gN0kJ0eF\ 0`D0V90Q80L40F20900600H00S00d00o00k00g20d80`D4XJ8S\ PBQV6`J0i80q00z00z00z09u0Lo0Xg0eb0qX0zP0zJ0zD0ZNN0\ Vz0Zz0bz6ezDizLkzSoz`szgwzoyzmszkmziguibogXieSddNZ\ dHSbBN`6HZ0BZ08`44bB0dJ0eP0gX0gd0ik0kq0my0oz0oz0bz\ 0Qz4DzL2zb0zq0zm0zk0zg0ye0sb0k`2eX4ZV4SS9PVDLVHJXN\ FXQBZV9Z`6Zd2`g0`m0bq0bu0bw0Xw2Sy8NyBJzHFzN9zQ6zX2\ zb0zg0zk0zq0zw0zz0zu0zo0zi0yd0wZ0uS0sN4sH8qBBo6Fm0\ Jk0Ni0Qg0Ve0Ze0bX0LN64FL0NQ0SV4Z`BedJkgQqmZwqezumz\ zuzzzzzzzzzzzszzkzzdzzXzzPzzFzz8zz0zz0zz0zz0iqqemi\ didbeX`dQZ`JVXDSV6QQ0PN0NL0PV0Qb0Si0Vq2Xy6Zz9`zD`z\ HXzFSzDPzBLy9Hs8Fo80uz0oz } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Andrew Coppin" <orphi69@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTD 20-09-01 (Fractured Hysteria [5]) Date: 21 Sep 2001 18:44:07 +0000 >From: Jim Muth <jamth@mindspring.com> >Reply-To: fractint@lists.xmission.com >To: fractint@lists.xmission.com >Subject: (fractint) FOTD 20-09-01 (Fractured Hysteria [5]) >Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 11:04:15 -0400 (EDT) > > >FOTD -- September 19, 2001 (Rating 5) > >Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: > >There is a hysterical air to the entire scene, which consists of >twisted and tortured filaments. The name "Fractured Hysteria" >was inspired by this hysteric appearance. The name is not a >sign that I am hysterical. Actually, I disagree... You know those weird patterns of black dots they show to mental patients to guage their mental state? I think the way people name fractals has a lot to do with their inner subconcience. In short, Jim, by naming your fractals you are potentially giving an aweful lot away! ;-) Andrew. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Morgan L. Owens" <packrat@nznet.gen.nz> Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTD 19-09-01 (Midget with Dewdrops [6]) Date: 22 Sep 2001 13:33:50 +1200 At 12:23 19/09/2001 -0500, bmc1@airmail.net wrote: >"The iterated formula subtracts Z^(-1.1) from Z^(-0.9). The tiny >difference is then multiplied by a factor of -548.998 before adding >1/C. The real(p3) parameter is >extremely critical, the slightest change resulting in a totally different >image." > >Several similar examples occurred in Jim's Commentaries accompanying his >FOTD's in August; things that might be dismissed by others as esoteric, >but whose ultimate mathematical implications are - I would argue - simply >not yet appreciated or understood. Well, the phrase "sensitive dependence on initial conditions" does spring to mind. Morgan L. Owens "Multiplied by -548.998 up to 282 times per pixel." Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: (fractint) FOTD 22-09-01 (Lots of Activity [7.5]) Date: 22 Sep 2001 10:59:52 EDT FOTD -- September 22, 2001 (Rating 7.5) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: Today's fractal is active. It's not just sitting there like a bump on a log; it's up there on the screen, doing things for the whole world to see. And it's not just the activity that sets this particular image apart. Something about it is different. It is not normal. (As though there were such a thing as a 'normal' fractal.) Seeing so much activity from a single fractal, I had no trouble finding the name "Lots of Activity". Undecided as to whether a rating of 7 or 8 best describes the fractal's worth, I settled on a 7-1/2. The formula 1.3(Z^2)+10(Z^(-0.01))+C created the image when it was iterated with a maxiter of 1200. Most of the activity was created by setting the outside to <tdis> and the inside to <fmod>. With the normal flat equal-iteration bands and flat black inside, today's image is boring indeed. The parameter file renders in 10+ minutes on my tired old Pentium running at 200mhz. On newer faster machines it renders in less time. Those who would rather not run the attached parameter file will find the GIF image posted to: <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html> and to: <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html> If the image is not yet posted, Paul and Scott have not had time to render and post it. Try again in an hour or so. The fractal weather today was near perfect. After last evening's violent storm, today turned sunny and mild, with a temperature of 81F 27C, which made the fractal cats quite happy indeed. That's it for today. Until next time, take care, and I'll see you soon. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Lots_of_Activity { ; time=0:10:44.83--SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=allinone.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=ident passes=1 center-mag=-10.38329738516965000/+0.52767985499265\ 670/2532769/1/-177.5 params=1.3/2/10/-0.01/0/0 float=y maxiter=1200 inside=fmod outside=tdis colors=000x00v00s06q0Dn0Km3PdKmWFpPAqI6tA1v30w00x0\ 0z00z00z00z00z00z00z00w00t30q60n90kA0j90g73d6Ac4I`\ 3PY1WW0cT0iS_qCzz0zkDxYVvKks4zLt4ImDHgLDaSCW_9Pf7K\ m4Dt37z96aD6CI60O33S0IW0W`0kd0zi0zq7zxOzfMzOLn4KcA\ LiFMmKOqOPvSRzWSz`TzdVzVMzMDsD4g40YA3SHAOMIISPDWW9\ `TAcRCfODiLFkIHnFIqDKOLR0SY0PY0LV0HU0DS07R03O00N00\ M32J97GFLOLSMSYKYcIcjHipFpvCvzAzz9zz7zz9zqAxfCvWDs\ LFp9Hm0HqRWvpkzzzwzzvzztzzsxzqtzppznkzmgzkczj_ziVz\ gRzfMzdKzcHzaFz`Dv_ApY9kW7gW6cV3YT1TS0PR0KP0FO0AO0\ 6YFAg`FqtKRzY0zkzzPwzLvxHtpDqg9p_6nR1kI0j90i00i60i\ A0iF3iK7iOAiTFiYKiaMifRijTjkRjkPkmOkmMmmLmnKnnInpH\ ppFppDqqCqqAqq9nnAkmAikAgjAdiAagC_fCYdCVaCS`CP_DOY\ DLWDIVDFTDDSDMVIVWLc_Ok`StcVzdYzf`zgWziTzjRzkOzmLx\ nIwpFvqCss9qt6pv3kq4gn6cj6_g7Vc9R`9MYAITCDRC9MD4KF\ 0FF0CH09H06D04C01A007006004101300400400C06I9FPIOVS\ Va`cgjkmssgpvcmwV06d01n00 } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: alex dukay <dukay@interlog.com> Subject: Re: (fractint) Old PAR file ?!? Date: 22 Sep 2001 19:58:00 -0400 At 12:07 PM 9/20/01 +0200, you wrote: >I have some old .PAR files for a wery important fractal. The file looks like >this: > >-c-0.064066852367688,-0.100278551532034,4.094707520891365 -t250 -i246 -MG2 >-f123 -u60,120,30,100,255,200 > >Can anyone tell me how to generate this fractal again ?? Please !! Hi Marcel, You have an interesting file. Usually a par file also refers to a formula - there doesn't seem to be any formula in your file. Looking at your file all I can figure out is that the first set of numbers seem to refer to the coordinates ( you input those by pushing 'z' to call up the formula file and then pushing F6 on your keyboard) t250 could be the rotational angle i246, MG2 f123 u60 are beyond my analytical ability. 255 and 200 could be referents for your screen from the selections you get by hitting 'y'...actually 255 and 200 could be for 'potential max colour' and 'slope' . The other numbers remain a mystery. And as I stated: where is the formula. Alex Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" <Paul.N.Lee@Worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: (fractint) Old PAR file ?!? Date: 22 Sep 2001 20:24:44 -0500 Silberg Marcel R wrote: > > I have some old .PAR files for a wery > important fractal. And where did you get these important old PAR files?? What program were they saved from?? Why can you not use them in the same program that theyr were produced with?? > > The file looks like this: > -c-0.064066852367688,-0.100278551532034,4.094707520891365 > -t250 -i246 -MG2 -f123 -u60,120,30,100,255,200 Which value do you want to use for the maximum iterations? What color map would you prefer? P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: (fractint) Missing FOTD Date: 23 Sep 2001 11:53:22 EDT There is no FOTD for Sept 23. I'm exhausted and taking a one-day break. The FOTD will return Sept 24. Jim M. Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Curnow" <curnow@mail.telepac.pt> Subject: Re: (fractint) Old PAR file ?!? Date: 23 Sep 2001 18:00:46 +0100 Alex Dukay wrote in response to: >>I have some old .PAR files for a wery important fractal. The file looks like >>this: >> >>-c-0.064066852367688,-0.100278551532034,4.094707520891365 -t250 -i246 -MG2 >>-f123 -u60,120,30,100,255,200 >> >>Can anyone tell me how to generate this fractal again ?? Please !! >Hi Marcel, >You have an interesting file. Usually a par file also refers to a formula >- there doesn't seem to be any formula in your file. In the ancient times, wasn't there only Mandelbrot and Julia? Assuming -c in the file refers to the centre co-ordinates that's slap in the middle of the Mandelbrot lake and you get no image. If this is a Julia then those values for centre give an image. 4.0947 etc could be magnification > ..... t250 could be the rotational angle >i246, MG2 f123 u60 are beyond my analytical ability. 255 and 200 could be >referents for your screen from the selections you get by hitting >'y'...actually 255 and 200 could be for 'potential max colour' and 'slope' > The other numbers remain a mystery. And as I stated: where is the formula. >Alex -t250 Test? I've used for bailout. -i246 Could be iterations? -MG2 could refer to a map file? -f 123 and the rest I haven't a clue about. f=File? But what about -u? Using what we've assumed as a base I've generated this par file: Marcel's_Fractal? { ; F2 Using the goodega.map colour file ; Version 2001 Patchlevel 13 reset=2001 type=julia passes=1 center-mag=-0.0640669/-0.100279/4.094708 params=0.3/0.6 float=y maxiter=246 bailout=250 fillcolor=2 inside=0 cyclerange=1/1 colors=000<2>00z<2>0zzzzezz0<2>z00e00L00zzLzL0 } I wonder if this is close to Marcel's 'very important fractal' :-) Chris Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Silberg Marcel R <MARCEL_SILBERG@Danfoss.dk> Subject: RE: (fractint) Old PAR file ?!? Date: 24 Sep 2001 08:10:39 +0200 Thanx very much for your help - but I found it by clicking arround on your pages. There was a link to the program "Paul's Fractals". That's the program and now I have the fractals. Marcel -----Original Message----- Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 3:25 AM Silberg Marcel R wrote: > > I have some old .PAR files for a wery > important fractal. And where did you get these important old PAR files?? What program were they saved from?? Why can you not use them in the same program that theyr were produced with?? > > The file looks like this: > -c-0.064066852367688,-0.100278551532034,4.094707520891365 > -t250 -i246 -MG2 -f123 -u60,120,30,100,255,200 Which value do you want to use for the maximum iterations? What color map would you prefer? P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" <Paul.N.Lee@Worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: (fractint) Old PAR file ?!? Date: 24 Sep 2001 02:06:50 -0500 Silberg Marcel R wrote: > > Thanx very much for your help - but I found > it by clicking arround on your pages. There > was a link to the program.... > Glad you were able to find what you sought. Sincerely, P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: (fractint) FOTD 24-09-01 (Something Berries [5]) Date: 24 Sep 2001 10:54:48 EDT FOTD -- September 24, 2001 (Rating 5) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: Today's average fractal reminds me of some kind of berries. Maybe raspberries, maybe strawberries, I'm not sure. Due to my uncertainty, I named the picture "Something-Berries". The parent fractal was created by another of my deceptively simple formulae. This time, 4Z^(-1.45)-2Z^(-14.5)+(1/C) did the job. This formula, when iterated, draws a Mandeloid with several large bays. Today's scene is located on the edge of one of the large bays, near the tip of the star of a tiny radical (or bud complex). The resulting picture is not great, but it's not bad either. It's just about average, which justifies the rating of a perfectly average 5. The parameter file produces a finished image in almost exactly 10 minutes on my tired, worn-out old Pentium 200mhz machine. But the image can be downloaded in 1/10 of that time from: <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html> or from: <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html> Give Paul and Scott a chance to post it before going there. The fractal weather today was sunny and very average, a condition which the fractal cats found very enjoyable. Average for this location at this time of year is a high temperature of 82F 28C. That's it for today. Until next time, take care, and for every mystery that is solved, two more will appear. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Something-Berries { ; time=0:10:01.54--SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=allinone.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 center-mag=+1.50065188510701600/+0.357694228187471\ 10/323066.5/1/57.499 params=4/-1.45/2/-14.5/0/800 float=y maxiter=2400 inside=0 logmap=109 colors=0005bt6dt6fu8gv9hv9ixBkxBlyCmyDozDpzErzEszG\ tzGvzIrzLozMlzPizRgzTdzWazXZz_XzaUzcSzfPzgNzjKzmHz\ nFzqCzrCztDztGzuKzuNzuPzvTzvVzvYyxayxdxxgvykvymuyp\ tzttzwrzzvzzruynnwkhvgatcXt`RsXLrTGpQ9oM4mI0t90mG8\ hLHaQQXW_S`aTYcUWdVVfXRgYPhZNkZLm`InaHobEqdCrfBtg8\ vg5xh4yi1zk0zl0zm0zm0xo0qp0jr1dr4Ys6Rt9LvCGvE9wH3y\ J0zI0yL0tN0pQ0lR1hV3dX3`Y4X`5Tc3On5Pd8QXBSNDTGGU6I\ V0JX0JU0JS5JPCJNIJKPJHWJFaJCh0h90h81h83h64i65i56i4\ 8k49k3Bk1Ck1Dl0El0Gl0Hm0Im0Jm0Pi0Lm0Ip3Gt9DwEBzL8z\ R5zX3zc0zj0zt0zo0zk0zh0zd0za0vY0rW0mR0iP0fL0aI0YE0\ UC0Q80N50I10G00I04L18N3CP4GQ4JT5NU6RX8WY8_`9caBgdC\ hh9kfCmbEn`HoYIqVLtTNuQQvORxLVyIXzG_zH`zIczKdzLfzN\ gzOhzPjzQkzQmzSnzSozTqzTrzUtzUuzVvzVxzXyzXzzYzzYzz\ ZzzZzz`zz`zzazzazzbzzbzzbzzdzzdzzdzzfzzfzzfzzgzzgz\ zgzzhzzhzzhzzizzizzizzlzzlzzmzzmzzozzozzpzzpzzpzzp\ zzpzzpzzpzzpzzpzzpzzpzzpz } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "David J. Dollevoet" <djd@bytemeusa.com> Subject: (fractint) Jim Muth's FOTD Date: 24 Sep 2001 20:42:07 -0700 Jim Muth: Thank-you for returning your FOTD. You brighten my day again. David Dollevoet Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: (fractint) FOTD 25-09-01 (Chaplet of Flowers [5]) Date: 25 Sep 2001 09:16:52 EDT FOTD -- September 25, 2001 (Rating 5) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: Today's fractal has a verdant appearance to it. After a modicum of consideration, I noticed the greenery and named the image "Chaplet of Flowers". The foliage effect was created by iterating the formula 0.8(Z^(-1.667)-0.8(Z^(1.667)+(1/C) a maximum of 2500 times, and coloring the outside with the <fmod> option. The parent fractal is a curious diamond shaped network, typical of fractals that combine positive and negative powers of Z. One of the more remote nodes of the network contains the scene of today's image. The color scheme appeared serendipitously as I rotated various palettes at random. One minute the image looked like a total loser, then today's palette flashed by and vanished as fast as it came. A few steps backward restored the lucky palette however, and the result appears as the FOTD for September 25, 2001. Undecided as to how to rate the effort of the day, I settled on a rating of an average 5. Running the parameter file is one way of viewing the image. Waiting an hour or so, then visiting Paul's or Scott's web site and downloading the GIF image from there, is another. Paul's web site is located at: <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html> Scott's is at: <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html> The fractal weather today was quite exciting, with a tornado in the vicinity, which tore up the campus at the U of MD. But we had only a heavy thunder-storm here at Fractal Central as the twister passed by. The temperature of 81F 27C was just about normal, and kept the fractal cats behaving in a normal manner until the thunder began, when the dynamic duo took refuge in a coat closet. The clock on the wall over the fractal desk now tells me that it's time to move on to other things. So I'll be shutting down the fractal department until next time, which will arrive in the right time. Until then, take care, and when the going gets tough, the tough get a fractal going. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Chaplet_of_Flowers { ; time=0:09:43.85--SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=allinone.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 center-mag=-6.376602614525529/+3.854529883857569/2\ .701395e+008/1/180 params=0.8/-1.667/-0.8/1.667/0/0 float=y maxiter=2500 inside=0 proximity=0.95 outside=fmod colors=000qsz6l`6hY5dV5`R4XO2VM4UL5TK7SK8RJAQIBPIC\ OHEOHFNGHMFILFKKELJEMIDOHCPHCRGBSFATEAVD9WC9YB8ZA7\ `A7a96b86d75e64g54h43i43g74eA5cC6aF6_H7YK8WM9UP9SR\ AQUBPWBNZCLaDJcEHfEFhFDkGBmH9pH7rI5uJ1yH3xI4wJ5vK6\ uK7tL8tM9sNArNBqOCpPDoQEoQFnRGmSHlTIkTJkUKjVLiWMhW\ NgXOfYPfZQeZRd_Sc`TbaUbaVabW`cX_dYZdZYe_Yf`XgaWgbV\ hcUijQsgSndUiaVeZX`WZXU_SRaOOcJLdFIfAGg6SLWTKVUKUU\ KUVKTVKTWKSWKSXKRYKQYKQZKPZKP_KO_KO`KNaKMaKMbKLbKL\ cJKcJKdJJdJJeJIfJHfJHgJGgJGhJFhJFiJEjJDjJDkJCkJClJ\ BlJBmJAuBBqFAmJAiM9eQ9bU8ZX8V`8Rd7Ng7Kk6Go6Cr58v55\ y55x65x75x75w85w95w95vA5vA5vB5vC5uC5uD5uE5tE5tF5tF\ 5tG5sH5sH5sI5rJ5rJ5rK5rK5qL5qM5qM5pN5pO5pO5pP5oP5o\ Q5oR5nR5nS5nT5nT5mU5mU5mV5lW5lW5lX5lXCiYIgYOeZVcZ`\ a_f__kXYlYZlY_lZ`lZ`l_al_bl`cl`cladlaelbflbflcglch\ ldildilejmekmflmfmmgnmgomhpmhqmirmismjtmjumkvmkwml\ xmlymmzmmzmmznnzoozppzqqz } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" <Paul.N.Lee@Worldnet.att.net> Subject: (fractint) Even more FRM files and some updates. Date: 25 Sep 2001 14:31:08 -0500 Greetings, The ORGFORM file, which I initially expanded and made available awhile back, now contains even more files. The collection not only has EXACTLY the same files that may be found in Noel Giffin's 1999 version at "The Spanky Fractal Database" (and referenced by Janet Presler in the UF-Resources page), but several newer formulae as well. This ZIP file version (at around 1.2-MB) contains around 8.76-MB worth of data now. It contains the formulas that Jim Muth has used for his FOTD's, the recent formulas by Rui S. Parracho which were posted this month on the UF-List, and much more. Here is the location for that file: http://www.Eclectasy.com/paul/software/ORGFORM.ZIP Sincerely, P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bmc1@airmail.net Subject: Re: (fractint) Even more FRM files and some updates. Date: 25 Sep 2001 17:43:32 -0500 <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> Fellow Fractaliers - <p>Thanks to Paul for yet another organizational contribution, a quiet coup. <p>DBF <p>"Paul N. Lee" wrote: <blockquote TYPE=CITE>Greetings, <p>The ORGFORM file, which I initially expanded and made available awhile <br>back, now contains even more files. The collection not only has EXACTLY <br>the same files that may be found in Noel Giffin's 1999 version at "The <br>Spanky Fractal Database" (and referenced by Janet Presler in the <br>UF-Resources page), but several newer formulae as well. <p>This ZIP file version (at around 1.2-MB) contains around 8.76-MB worth <br>of data now. It contains the formulas that Jim Muth has used for his <br>FOTD's, the recent formulas by Rui S. Parracho which were posted this <br>month on the UF-List, and much more. <p>Here is the location for that file: <p> <a href="http://www.Eclectasy.com/paul/software/ORGFORM.ZIP">http://www.Eclectasy.com/paul/software/ORGFORM.ZIP</a> <p>Sincerely, <br>P.N.L. <br>-------------------------------------------------------------- <br><a href="http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go">http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go</a> <p>-------------------------------------------------------------- <br>Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List <br>Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com <br>Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" <br>Administrator: twegner@fractint.org <br>Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint"</blockquote> </html> Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul N. Lee" <Paul.N.Lee@Worldnet.att.net> Subject: (fractint) Re: [ultrafractal] Even more FRM files and some updates. Date: 26 Sep 2001 00:02:49 -0500 Tina Oloyede <aartika_lists@btinternet.com> wrote: > > Thanks for updating the zip Paul :-) > > Thanks, Tina > You are more than welcome!! :-) Sincerely, P.N.L. http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: (fractint) FOTD 26-09-01 (1-1/2 Root of Two [5]) Date: 26 Sep 2001 11:08:22 EDT FOTD -- September 26, 2001 (Rating 5) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: Today's image is a brief diversion from the world of MandelbrotMix4 into the world of exponent sub-2 fractals. In today's image, the iterated exponent of Z is 1.5874, which is the 1-1/2 root of 2. The entire formula, Z^1.5874+C is about as simple a fractal formula as possible. In the world of sub-2 powers of Z, the midgets become fewer and farther between, and much more difficult to find. But when one of these elusive midgets is found, it is always worth a closer look, for there appears to be no limit to the shape they may take. I named the image "1.5 Root of Two" for obvious reasons. I rated it a 5 for equally obvious reasons. The 16 minute render time of the parameter file may be avoided by giving Paul and Scott a chance to post the GIF image to their web sites, and then by downloading it from there. Paul's site may be found at: <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html> Scott's is at: <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html> The fractal weather here today was a great improvement from yesterday's tornado. The partly cloudy skies and temperature of 68F 20C made the fractal cats so happy that they slept in their porch chairs most of the afternoon. Cats sleep when they are happy; people jump around and shout. It's now time to get busy and do the everyday things that need to be done. Once the things are done, I'll return with the next fractal. Until then, take care, and meditate on fractals while staring at your navel. They are very enlightening, even if the navel isn't much to look at. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ 1-5_Root_of_Two { ; time=0:16:06.31--SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=allinone.frm formulaname=MandelbrotBC1 function=floor passes=1 center-mag=+0.12755286358762810/+0.806988822573071\ 70/2.291871e+009 params=1.5874/0/-2.6/0 float=y maxiter=2000 inside=0 logmap=505 colors=000000A07C07D09F0AG0CI0DJ0FL0IM0JO0LO0OO0QO\ 0TO0VO0XO0XO0YO0_O0`O0`O0aO0cO0dL0cO0dQ0fT0fV1gY3g\ `6ic7jdAjgCljFlmGmoJmrLouOpxPpySrzTrzXszYsz_sz`sza\ szaszcszdszfszfsygsyisxjsxjsvlsvmsuosuosupssrssssr\ ssruspvspxsoxsoysmzsmzslzslzsjzsjzsjzsjzscyuVrxOiy\ Faz3Sz7VzAYzF_zIazMdzPfzTizXjz`mzcpzgrzjuzovzryzvz\ zyzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzxzzuzyryypxymvxjuxgsxdrvapv`ovY\ mvVluSjuPiuMgsLfsIdsFcrCar9`r7_r7_r9Xl9Tg9Qa9OY9LT\ AIOAFJACDA99930A61A74C97CAADCDDDGFFJFGMFIOGJQGLTIM\ XIP_JQaJSdLTgLViLXlMYoM_rO`uOaxPczPdzSazPfzOjzMoyL\ rvJvuIzrGzoFzlDziCzgFziGzjIzlLzmMzoOzpQzrSzsTzuXzv\ Yzx_zxazyczzdzzgzzizzjzzmzzozzpzzszzuzzvzzoxzipyag\ rTdjMfcFgXCiPFjIIlALm1Oo3Qp4Tr6Xs7_u9avAdxCgyDjzFm\ zGpzIszJvzLyzMzzOzzLzzOzzPzzQzzSzzTzzVzzXzz_zz`zza\ zzczzdzzfzzgzzSzzizzgzzfzzfzzdzzdzzczzczzyzzyzzyzz\ yzzxzzvzzuzzzzzyzzszzmzOg } frm:MandelbrotBC1 { ; by several Fractint users e=p1, a=imag(p2)+100 p=real(p2)+PI q=2*PI*fn1(p/(2*PI)) r=real(p2)-q Z=C=Pixel: Z=log(Z) IF(imag(Z)>r) Z=Z+flip(2*PI) ENDIF Z=exp(e*(Z+flip(q)))+C |Z|<a } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: (fractint) FOTD 27-09-01 (Phantom Fingers [5]) Date: 27 Sep 2001 09:47:02 EDT FOTD -- September 27, 2001 (Rating 5) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: Today's image is another of those mysterious 'evaporated' fractals that is not there. It is not there that is if one thinks of a fractal as the border between trapped points and points that escape. All the points in today's image are trapped; the image consists of inside only. But the trapped points do different things in their confinement, and it is these differences that make today's image. The iterated formula mixes a portion of Z^(-6) with a somewhat smaller portion of Z^(-16) before adding (1/C). The midget at the center is the ghost of an actual midget, which can be returned to life by setting imag(p3) to zero. When this is done, the image reverts to a normal inside vs. outside fractal, which closely resembles the FOTD image, but without the fingers that inspired the name "Phantom Fingers". What rating to give the image was a puzzle. The first time I saw it, I admired the way it made a lot from nothing, and decided on a rating of 6. Then I stepped back and noticed the large drab flat areas, and thought it was worth only a 4. Unable to decide, I settled on a perfectly average 5, though a 4-1/2 might be more accurate. The parameter file is one of the all-time fastest, finishing in 30 seconds. It will take several times as long to download the GIF image from: <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html> or from: <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html> And in addition, it will take Paul and Scott an hour or so to post the image. The fractal weather (is there any other kind?) was perfect today. And perfect weather means contented cats. The cats showed their contentment by sleeping most of the afternoon, enjoying the sunshine and temperature of 66F 19C. It's now time to get busy, give fractal Thomas some more food, and get some work done. Until tomorrow, take care, and I was ready to pray for peace, but I could not remember a single instance where praying for peace actually brought peace without the addition of military action. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Phantom_Fingers { ; time=0:00:30.59--SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=allinone.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip center-mag=-132.551/34.4115/12.30779/1/177.499 params=16/-6/6/-16/-0.89/1e+100 float=y maxiter=600 inside=bof61 symmetry=none periodicity=10 colors=000KPQFHPqzsVPn000PLgNJdKHa000FDVCBSEP3000C\ UBcUEBEILAXYDbi7glDfnIfqNfsTfvYfxbfyiZzpRzwJXvZ4vm\ 5jj5Zg5Od5Ca51ZDQUJIVPAXV2YNB`GKb9TdJSbSS``RZiRXrR\ WiWba`hTenLjtDnzFhpGbfHXXIRNJLDKPHLTLMWPN_TOcXPf`e\ kFbiE_gEXeDVdDSbCP`CMZBKYBKZIK_OK`UKa_KbeUj`bqWkxS\ hrOemLbhI_cFXYCUT9RO6OJ3GGU8EsELfJSUOYHRRJUKLXEN`D\ XdCfgCocFh_HaWKVSMOOOHPNLQNPRNTSMXTM`UMdVMg`T`e_Uj\ fNolGifEcaCZXATS8ON6SKIWHU_EddGabK`aO_`SZ_WZZ_YYcX\ XgWWkWQncKpjEsr9uyLvmWvbgwSrwHquLptOosRnrUmqXlp_ko\ bjnedhcZbaTX_NRYHLWCGU3c15W77OD9GJtM`nKZhIYbHWXFVR\ DTLCSFAQ_S7WPASMDOJFLHIHEKDBNCQ5BKCAEJNZ1QZ8FOtELm\ DIgCF`BCVypBgaGRNLo8Gd9JV9LK9NREmODiMCeJBbHBZEAWC9\ SL5sF7cMd7K_AIVDGRFFMIDIKBDNlb0fY4`U8WQBQLFLHIFDMQ\ q_NjYLdWJYVGSTELSCFQtiVblcYe`TZZOTWJMUEFR`KFbWlYSh\ TOdOK`JGXECTAzaAqZAhXA_VARTAIR65U76T76S87S87R98Q98\ QA9PvY3lT8bOCTJHJELVdRPXQ } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Multiple Bogeys" <neo_1061@hotmail.com> Subject: (fractint) The Future Date: 27 Sep 2001 19:49:06 -0400 ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1478D.77ED8460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Regarding recent FOTD musings, I should point out three things: * Among physicists, the principle of (global) causality is, essentially, = an article of faith. It is far less justified than, say, Newton's laws of motion (and those, we know, have to be modified slight= ly in relativity theory). A local form is enough to ensure global *consistency*, that is the absence of paradoxes. Math buf= fs may wish to compare it to the difference between a sheet and the surface of a sphere or torus. The sphere or tor= us surface is called two-dimensional because a little piece of it resembles strongly a little piece of the sheet; but = one is globally two-dimensional, while the other is locally two-dimensional but cannot be properly visualized (as to global topolig= y and curvature) without the third dimension. (Polyconic projection maps allow the topology of a sphere to be represe= nted in 2 dimensions, and a square with "wrap around" behavior like the old Asteroids video game gives a 2-dimensiona= l representation of toroidal topology, but neither can express these without artificial "cuts", and neither can express th= e curvature of those surfaces.) A globally causal universe is to a locally causal one as a two dimensio= nal sheet is to a two dimensional manifold, a surface that may be closed in on itself. The local property can't be used to in= fer a global equivalent. Those who think it can be must believe the earth is flat. In particular, the property of causalit= y may be local to regions of space-time, not just regions of space, so events around Earth may be strictly causal for day= s, and then something acausal could happen. * Assuming global causality forces physicists to jump through hoops to ex= plain quantum EPR phenomena and to find ways to deny the possibility of a closed timelike curve in space-time, which= is not forbidden by general relativity. * Assuming only local causality introduces only one "paradox", which is t= he question of free will in case someone's will were ever to conflict with the requirements of consistency. There are two so= lutions. One is that traveling back in time using a would-be CTC puts you onto another timeline when the results are otherw= ise inconsistent. (Math buffs: this is like certain path integrals in complex analysis that have inconsistent behavior, tha= t is discontinuities, on branch cuts unless you introduce Riemann surfaces, which produce "alternate timeline" versions= of the complex plane and connections between the alternate versions that make the whole self-consistent. (Jim Muth a= ppears to have at least passing familiarity with branch cuts and the complex log's infinite sheet Riemann surface.) The = other solution is to observe that the person's will won't happen to conflict with the requirements of consistency, bec= ause to be consistent it will just so happen to coincide with what is needed to get consistency. If someone wanting to = change history caused a paradox, in other words, they just won't happen to want to change history. Or they will, but wil= l fail to make the change. This seems to deny how "free" free will is and introduce the possibility of "fate" seeming to = conspire against certain plans, but that becomes a debate for philosophers with no relevance to physics. * The Bell's Inequality violations prove that QM is inherently nonlocal a= nd (by special relativity) therefore (globally) acausal. The results deny the only alternative, namely hidden variables, in all = permutations and combinations. (The third "alternative" is to deny that QM is even *understandable* but that is r= eally just giving up on science altogether and going mystical. That, again, has no relevance to physics, though fans of the = Copenhagen Interpretation nonetheless seem to believe it.) * The only recent breakthrough in quantum science that doesn't involve 11= -dimensional superstring nano-shit is the Transactional Interpretation due to one John Cramer. It explicitly invo= lves nonlocal and acausal quantum phenomena, although in one dimension of space the result may still have global cau= sality on all but the smallest scales. (Like where EPR phenomena can't be used to send a coherent signal back in time.) In thr= ee (or more -- consider superstring and Kaluza- Klein theories) dimensions of space it may very well allow coherent "ad= vanced wave" signals. * Precognition may be normally regarded as "paranormal", but if it exists= , it must have a rationally understandable mechanism underlying it. (The alternative is again to deny that science= "works".) Moreover, it may indeed exist and have a rational behavior, because it need not cause paradoxes; see above.<br= clear=3Dall><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href=3D'htt= p://go.msn.com/bql/hmtag_itl_EN.asp'>http://explorer.msn.com</a><br> ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1478D.77ED8460 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <HTML><BODY STYLE=3D"font:10pt verdana; border:none;"><DIV>Regarding rece= nt FOTD musings, I should point out three things:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>= <DIV>* Among physicists, the principle of (global) causality is, essenti= ally, an article of faith. It is far less justified than, say,</DIV> <DIV= > Newton's laws of motion (and those, we know, have to be modi= fied slightly in relativity theory). A local form is enough to</DIV> <DIV= > ensure global *consistency*, that is the absence of paradoxes. Ma= th buffs may wish to compare it to the difference</DIV> <DIV> = between a sheet and the surface of a sphere or torus. The sphere or torus= surface is called two-dimensional because a</DIV> <DIV> littl= e piece of it resembles strongly a little piece of the sheet; but one is = globally two-dimensional, while the other is locally</DIV> <DIV> &nb= sp;two-dimensional but cannot be properly visualized (as to global t= opoligy and curvature) without the third dimension.</DIV> <DIV> &nbs= p;(Polyconic projection maps allow the topology of a sphere to be represe= nted in 2 dimensions, and a square with "wrap</DIV> <DIV> arou= nd" behavior like the old Asteroids video game gives a 2-dimensional= representation of toroidal topology, but neither</DIV> <DIV> = can express these without artificial "cuts", and neither can express= the curvature of those surfaces.)</DIV> <DIV> A globally causal un= iverse is to a locally causal one as a two dimensional she= et is to a two dimensional manifold, a surface</DIV> <DIV> that may= be closed in on itself. The local property can't be used to infer a glob= al equivalent. Those who think it can be</DIV> <DIV> must beli= eve the earth is flat. In particular, the property of causality may be lo= cal to regions of space-time, not just</DIV> <DIV> regions of space= , so events around Earth may be strictly causal for days, and then someth= ing acausal could happen.</DIV> <DIV>* Assuming global causality forces p= hysicists to jump through hoops to explain quantum EPR phenomena and to f= ind ways</DIV> <DIV> to deny the possibility of a closed timelike c= urve in space-time, which is not forbidden by general relativity.</DIV> <= DIV>* Assuming only local causality introduces only one "paradox", which = is the question of free will in case someone's will were</DIV> <DIV> = ; ever to conflict with the requirements of consistency. There are two so= lutions. One is that traveling back in time using a</DIV> <DIV> wou= ld-be CTC puts you onto another timeline when the results are otherwise i= nconsistent. (Math buffs: this is like certain</DIV> <DIV> path int= egrals in complex analysis that have inconsistent behavior, that is disco= ntinuities, on branch cuts unless you</DIV> <DIV> introduce Ri= emann surfaces, which produce "alternate timeline" versions of the comple= x plane and connections between</DIV> <DIV> the alternate vers= ions that make the whole self-consistent. (Jim Muth appears to have at le= ast passing familiarity with</DIV> <DIV> branch cuts and the c= omplex log's infinite sheet Riemann surface.) The other solution is to ob= serve that the person's</DIV> <DIV> will won't happen to confl= ict with the requirements of consistency, because to be consistent it wil= l just so happen to</DIV> <DIV> coincide with what is needed t= o get consistency. If someone wanting to change history caused a paradox,= in other words,</DIV> <DIV> they just won't happen to want to chan= ge history. Or they will, but will fail to make the change. This seems to= deny how</DIV> <DIV> "free" free will is and introduce the po= ssibility of "fate" seeming to conspire against certain plans, but that b= ecomes a</DIV> <DIV> debate for philosophers with no relevance= to physics.</DIV> <DIV>* The Bell's Inequality violations prove that QM = is inherently nonlocal and (by special relativity) therefore (globally) a= causal.</DIV> <DIV> The results deny the only alternative, nam= ely hidden variables, in all permutations and combinations. (The third</D= IV> <DIV> "alternative" is to deny that QM is even *understand= able* but that is really just giving up on science altogether and going</= DIV> <DIV> mystical. That, again, has no relevance to physics,= though fans of the Copenhagen Interpretation nonetheless seem to</DIV> <= DIV> believe it.)<BR>* The only recent breakthrough in quantum scie= nce that doesn't involve 11-dimensional superstring nano-shit is the</DIV= > <DIV> Transactional Interpretation due to one John Cramer. It exp= licitly involves nonlocal and acausal quantum phenomena,</DIV> <DIV> = ; although in one dimension of space the result may still have globa= l causality on all but the smallest scales. (Like where EPR</DIV> <DIV>&n= bsp; phenomena can't be used to send a coherent signal back in time.= ) In three (or more -- consider superstring and Kaluza-</DIV> <DIV> = Klein theories) dimensions of space it may very well allow coherent "adv= anced wave" signals.<BR>* Precognition may be normally regarded as "paran= ormal", but if it exists, it must have a rationally understandable</DIV> = <DIV> mechanism underlying it. (The alternative is again to de= ny that science "works".) Moreover, it may indeed exist and have</DIV> <D= IV> a rational behavior, because it need not cause paradoxes; see a= bove.</DIV></BODY></HTML><DIV><BR><br clear=3Dall><hr>Get your FREE downl= oad of MSN Explorer at <a href=3D'http://go.msn.com/bql/hmtag_itl_EN.asp'= >http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></DIV> ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1478D.77ED8460-- Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: (fractint) FOTD 28-09-01 (Midget with Greenery [5]) Date: 28 Sep 2001 11:07:14 EDT FOTD -- September 28, 2001 (Rating 5) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: Such a contrast between amber and green -- that is today's fractal. The formula Z^(-1.1)-Z^(1.11)+(1/C) is responsible for the image, which has perhaps a bit too much color contrast. But it's a pleasant image to look at, and the parameter file renders in only 6 minutes, so it's worth at least a quick glance. The name "Midget with Greenery" was given to an earlier version of the image, in which the green elements surrounding the midget were of a more vivid emerald green hue. The green has been toned down since then, but the original name has been kept. Why? Because I like it. The picture rates yet another perfectly average 5, which is not bad. I do have to pull myself out of this rut of mediocrity however, and produce a few more of those 8- and 9-rated images. Those who would rather not fuss with the parameter file may see the GIF image in an hour or so, when it will be available on the W.W.Web at: <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html> and at: <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html> The fractal weather today was fall-like, with a mixture of sun and clouds, and a temperature of 70F 21C, which made the cats happy. Actually, it's getting harder to tell whether the fractal cats are happy or dis-satisfied, since the older they get, the more they sleep. Tippy hasn't caught a bird in over a year. He's still able to catch them, he just doesn't feel like exerting the effort. I see that it's time to get busy on more important things. Actually, nothing is more important than fractals, so I should have said 'more necessary things'. Until 24 hours from now, take care, and be under no stress. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ MidgetWithGreenery { ; time=0:05:50.53--SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=allinone.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 center-mag=-0.35280754765492570/+0.050011650923479\ 6/1.187983e+009/1/154.999 params=1/-1.1/-1/1.11/0/0 float=y maxiter=600 inside=0 logmap=113 colors=000zsFzsFzoFzjFzfFzaFzYFxVFsQCmO9iJ6dG4`C1V\ 90X40M10S00D00O10J70MF0PL0SS0VY0Yd0`j0cr0fx1iy1vz3\ lv3ir4fo4ci4`g4Y`4Vd4Sc4Q`6Oc6Lj6Im6Fu6Cy69z67z6mz\ 9DzCvzFIzIzzLOzOzzQSzSzyY`vazsggpllmrpjvugzxdzucxs\ aorafp`Yo`PfOI_CCQ04J00I03I37GACGIGFPLFXPDcTDjYDpa\ CodCmfAmiAlj9lm9jo7jr7is6iv6gx6gyAivFjsJjrOloSlmXm\ j`oidofipdmpasr`ysYzsXzuTzuSzsVzrYzr`xpcsofpoimmll\ lmilpfjsciv`iyYgzVfzTfzYgz`ivcjrflmimilodop`mmaljd\ jgfidigalf_mdXpcTraQu`Ox`LzcIzfFziCzj9zm4zp4zs4zu6\ zx6zz6zz6zz6zz6zz6yz6yz9zoCzdDzTGzIJz7Lz0Oz0Pz0Sx0\ To3Xg9Y_D`SJaJPdCVf3_g0JaDDfC9jA4m90r70u60lD0cJ0VP\ 0MX0Da04g09f0Df0Gf0Lf0Of1Sf3Xf3_f4cf6ff7jf9ofArfCv\ fCyfFziIzlLzmOzpQzsTzuXzx_zzazzdzzgzzjzzizvgzjfz_f\ zOdzCcz0cz0az0az0az0`z0`z0`z0_z0_z0_z0_z0Yz0Xz0Xz0\ TzVSzTSzTQzSPzQPzQOzPMzPMzOLzOJzMIzMIzLGzLFzJFzIDz\ ICzGCzGAzF6zC9zF9zD7zD6zC } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: (fractint) FOTD 29-09-01 (Aleph Null [7]) Date: 29 Sep 2001 09:42:18 EDT FOTD -- September 29, 2001 (Rating 7) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: Well, I didn't find a 9-rated fractal. I didn't even find one that rates an 8. But I did find a fractal that is worth a 7, and this is two points above the 5 we've been stuck with for the past several days. The iterated formula subtracts some Z^(-1.1) from Z^(1.2) before adding (1/C), and catches the parent fractal when it is on the verge of turning inside-out. With its broad textured cross and textured intricacies, today's fractal is well worth the 3 minutes required to render it from the parameter file. The name I gave it, "Aleph Null", is the name of the transfinite number that represents the least infinite of the infinity of infinities. I gave the image this name for no apparent reason. In addition to running the parameter file, the image may be seen by downloading it from the W.W.W. at: <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html> or: <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html> The fractal weather today was variably cloudy with a temperature of 64F 18C. The cats found the porch warm enough during the sunny periods, but retreated indoors when heavy clouds obscured the sun and a chilly breeze sprang up. I'll take a day or two break in my philosophical musings, but I've still got enough ideas backed up to keep me going for years. So stay tuned to the philofractal list for wisdom unlimited delivered in a moderately humble manner. That's it for today. Until next time, take care, and stay smart. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Aleph_Null { ; time=0:03:35.03--SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=allinone.frm formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1 center-mag=+9.53758757820609500/+11.15144884977357\ 000/1195.65/1/47.499 params=1/1.2/-0.8/-1.1/-0.07/0 float=y maxiter=1000 inside=0 logmap=58 periodicity=20 colors=000CKoCMtDKqEJnEHkFGhGFeGDbHC`HAYI9VJ8SJ6PK\ 5MK4KMAMOFNQKPSPQUURWZTYcU_hVamXcrYewZeyLez8gvAhrB\ jnDkjElfGnbHoZJpVKkSGfPCaM9XJ5TH2WL9YOF_SLaVRcZYea\ cgeiihogdnfandZncWnaTm`Qm_NmYJmXGmVDlUAlS7lR4lQ1l`\ 5mj9nhDofHpeLpcPqaTq`XrZ`rYdsWhsUltTptRtuQxuRwpSwl\ SwhTwdTv_UvWUvSVvOVuJWuFWuBXu7Xu3Wv4Vv5Uv6Tw7Sw8Sw\ 9RxAQxBPxCOyDNyENyFSzGWzH`zHdzIizJmzJmwGmuHzsIzqJz\ oJzmKzmLzmMzmMzmPzmRwmUrmWmmYhm`cmbZmdUmgReiShlTjn\ TmpUpsVsuVuwTttStqQtoPtlOtiMsgLsdJsaIs_HsXFrUErSCr\ PBrMArKGpMMnORlQXjSaiTbjWckZdk`elcflfgmhhmkinmjnpk\ osloumpxnpzgqr`qjUqbNrWGrO9rG2r97pABnBFlCJjDNiDRgE\ VeFZcGbaHf`HcaJabL_cNYcPWdRUeTSeUZUqcZkgbekf_pjUtn\ OxrIpsPbsVet`htgkumnvsqwmtxgwybzzXzzSzzMzzHzzBzz6z\ zAzzEzzIzzLzzPzzTzzWzz_zzczzfzzjzznzzqzzhzz_zzSzzT\ zzTzzUzzUzzVzzVzzWzzWzzXzzXzzYzzYzzZzzZzz_zz_zzZzz\ ZzzYzzYzzLzzMzzSzzYzzczzi } frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2), g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel): z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c, |z| < l } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JimMuth@aol.com Subject: (fractint) FOTD 30-09-01 (Sawteeth [3]) Date: 30 Sep 2001 10:25:51 EDT FOTD -- September 30, 2001 (Rating 3) Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts: As even a casual glance reveals, today's fractal, which is the final one for the month of September, has no tiny midget lurking at its center. Most of my time in fractal land is spent tracking those elusive midgets. On the trail of the midgets, I often come upon quite a bit of interesting scenery, which I pass by without recording. In today's fractal, I found no midgets -- the expression being iterated, Z^0.009+C, is too close to linear -- but I did come upon some curious scenery, and this time I did not pass it by. I present it instead as today's FOTD, to show some of the lesser things that exist in the world of fractals, but are too often ignored. The parent fractal is a cucumber-shaped lake with mostly sharp, well-defined edges. One corner of the shoreline however holds an area of chaos. It is in this area of chaos that today's scene is found. Despite its initial chaotic impression, the image is filled with themes -- bits and pieces of order that appear regularly spaced throughout the image. I particularly enjoy the tiny black upside-down triangles scattered about the lower left quadrant. The reason that I named the scene "Sawteeth" is obvious. The reason I rated it at only a 3 is because of its poor composition. It has no focus of attention to prevent the eye from scanning it in a haphazard manner. The 25 minute render time is a bit slow for such a lowly image. This problem can be avoided however by giving Paul and Scott a chance to render and post the image to their web sites, and then picking it up from there. Paul's web site is at: <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html> Scott's is at: <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html> The fractal weather today was a repeat of yesterday, with alternating sunny and overcast periods, and a temperature of 64F 18C. The cats accepted the conditions, though they did not approve of them. I'll have one more philosophy-free day to recharge my batteries. Then it's back to my task of humbly enlightening the world, an oxymoron if there ever was one. We've come to the end of another FOTD. I'm going to do nothing for the rest of the day -- unless I start searching for fractals, that is. Until next time, take care, and it's better to be wise than smart, but it's best to be wise and smart. Jim Muth jamth@mindspring.com START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================ Sawteeth { ; time=0:25:39.34--SF5 on a P200 reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=allinone.frm formulaname=MandelbrotBC1 function=floor passes=1 center-mag=+0.54393341766901080/-0.256307459919719\ 80/942.2051/1/40 params=1.009/0/-12/1500 float=y maxiter=5000 inside=255 logmap=366 colors=000tYhsXgrWfqWfpVeoVenUdmTclTckSbjSbiRahQ`g\ Q`fP_eP_dOZcNYbNYaMX`NW_MXZMXYMXXMXWMXVLXULXTLXSLX\ RLXQLXPKXOKXNKXMKWLKVKJUJITIISHIRGHQFHPEHOEFNEFMEF\ LEEKEDKFCKFAKF9KF8KG7KG8KG9KG9KGAKHBKHCKHDKHDKHEKI\ FKIFKIFKIFLJEMJENJEOJEPJEQKERKFSKGTKHUKIVLJWMKXNLX\ OMXPNXQOXRPXSQXTRXUSXVTXWUXXVXYWVZXX_YZ`Z`a_bb`cca\ edbgecifdkgelhfnigpjhrkislhsmhslhslgslgskgskfskfsj\ fsjesjesiesidsidshdshcshcsgcsgbsgbsfbsfbseaseaseas\ dasd`sd`sc`sc`sc_sb_sb_sb_saZsaZsaYs`Zs`Ys`Ys_Ys_Y\ sZXsZXsZXsYXsYWsYWsXWsXWsXVsWVsWVsWVsVUsVUsVUsUTsU\ TsUTsTSsTSsSRsSQsSPsROsRNsRMsQLsQKsQKsPKsPKsPKsOKs\ OKsOKsNKsNKsNKsMKsMKsLKsLKsLKsKKsKKsKKtJKuJKvJKwIK\ xIKyIKzHKzHKzHKzGKzGKzGKzFKzFKzFKzJKzKKzKKzKKzKKzK\ KzKKzKKzKKzKKzKKzKKzKKzKKzKKzKKzKKzKKzKKzKKzKKzKKz\ KKzKKzKKzKKzKKzKKzKKzKKzKKzKKzKKzKKzKKzKKzKKzKKzKK\ zKKzKKzKKzKKzKKzKKzKKzKKz } frm:MandelbrotBC1 { ; by several Fractint users e=p1, a=imag(p2)+100 p=real(p2)+PI q=2*PI*fn1(p/(2*PI)) r=real(p2)-q Z=C=Pixel: Z=log(Z) IF(imag(Z)>r) Z=Z+flip(2*PI) ENDIF Z=exp(e*(Z+flip(q)))+C |Z|<a } END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================== Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: <packrat@nznet.gen.nz> Subject: (fractint) Fractal Extremes Can Predict Impending Breakdowns Date: 01 Oct 2001 11:47:07 +1200 How long will a steel pillar support a bridge before rust eats deep enough to let it snap? How long will a container of corrosive acid hold before it springs a leak? http://unisci.com/stories/20013/0928012.htm Morgan L. Owens "I'm too lazy to write anything myself." Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Les St Clair" <les.stclair@btinternet.com> Subject: (fractint) Parameter files updated Date: 01 Oct 2001 00:47:25 +0100 Hi everyone, For information, I have (at long last) updated my collection of parameter files culled from this list. Monthly collections from way back when, plus all of Jim's FOTD pars, are now bang up to date. You can find them on my fractal web site at: http://www.les.stclair.btinternet.co.uk/fractals/fracindex.htm (scroll down to the "resource, links" part of the page) cheers, Les Thanks for using Fractint, The Fractals and Fractint Discussion List Post Message: fractint@lists.xmission.com Get Commands: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "help" Administrator: twegner@fractint.org Unsubscribe: majordomo@lists.xmission.com "unsubscribe fractint"