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From:     John Lewis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 30-08-01 (Butterflies Coming [6])
Date: 31 Aug 2001 19:53:29 +0100

On Fri, 31 Aug 2001 09:57:15 -0500, Tim Lavoie wrote: On Fri, Aug=
 31,
2001 at 09:47:49AM +0000, Andrew Coppin wrote:

>>BTW, is *everyone* on this list from America? Is that why my=
 posts
only ever get answered over night?

>>Thanks. Andrew. "Here in Sunny Old England."

>Well, I'm in Canada, but just lurk so far.

>Tim, in also-sunny Winnipeg


I also live in  Old England. But having been caught twice to-day=

without an umbrella, did the sensible thing and went home for it.=

After that the sun came out.

John
-- John Lewis, [e-mail] on 08/31/2001


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (fractint) C-FOTD  01-09-01  (Room-102 [6])
Date: 01 Sep 2001 09:18:11 EDT


Classic FOTD -- September 01, 2001 (Rating 6)

Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts:

We've all heard of room-101, the room in a hidden corner of the
Ministry of Love, which holds the worst thing in the world.  But
how many have heard of room-102, which holds the best thing in
the world?

Like the contents of room-101, the contents of room-102 are
different for each individual.  Some might find a vision of the
Deity.  In my case, it might be the ability to visualize four-
dimensional objects, (if such an ability is possible).  Or it
might be one of those mystical experiences that are reported to
be so effective at solving the mystery of existence, but which
so few experience.

Or it might be a real live fractal.

Today in room-102 we found a fractal -- the Mandelbrot set
enlarged to many times the size of the visible universe.  Of
course, only an infinitesimal part of the entire set could fit
into such a small room, so we found only a midget located near
the tip of the negative stem.

The midget is invisible however.  It clearly lies at the center
of the image, but several dozen more in-zooms would be necessary
to reveal it, and then it would merely be a series of circles
spoiled by moire patterns.  Instead of going all the way to the
midget, I stopped at the point where the number of converging
elements resets from 64 to 8 before once again resuming its
bifurcation.

This bifurcation is a sign that the invisible midget belongs to
the family of midgets of a larger midget rather than to the
overall M-set itself.  The unusual pattern, with its
in-thrusting fingers, is caused by the closeness of the scene to
the cut-off point of 2.  To see how close it actually is, check
the real value of the center coordinates.

With a magnitude over 10^73, the image lies well into the range
of arbitrary precision, and therefore requires almost 2 hours to
render on my machine.  It can be seen faster by downloading the
6-rated image from the internet at:

          <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html>

or:

          <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html>

but first give Paul and Scott a chance to render and post it.

The fractal weather today was sunny, muggy and very warm.  The
temperature of 88F 31C, combined with the high humidity, was too
much for the cats, who returned indoors after only a few minutes
on the porch.  Just after sunset, a very noisy thunder-storm
passed over, which sent them scampering for cover behind the
sofa.

And now, I think I'll scamper on down to the nearby fast-food
emporium for a junky breakfast.  Then I'll check a few of the
stories in the October issue of the 'Analog' sci-fi-and-fact
magazine, which has a very interesting editorial.  Until I
re-appear, take care, and does one ever grow bored with fractals?


Jim Muth
[e-mail]


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From: "JackOTradez" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) who cares?
Date: 01 Sep 2001 12:53:56 -0400

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Who cares if you're from the Queen's bloo'y England or commie-Canada or =
wherever!

I didn't join this list to hear constant babbling about trivial things =
like that.

Does anyone here talk about Fractals or Chaos theory??



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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Who cares if you're from the Queen's =
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>I didn't join this list to hear =
constant=20
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Does anyone here talk about Fractals =
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From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) who cares?
Date: 01 Sep 2001 12:29:20 -0500

JackOTradez wrote:
>
> I didn't join this list to hear constant
> babbling about trivial things like that.

It appeared to me that you joined the list to promote your "1st WEB
page" and some "little utility".

>
> Does anyone here talk about Fractals or
> Chaos theory??

You are always welcome to initiate the conversation, or even comment on
the daily "talk" that Jim provides on "Fractals".    :-)

Sincerely,
P.N.L.
http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go

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From: "Chris Curnow" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Thanks
Date: 01 Sep 2001 18:17:53 +0100

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Thanks to all for the info on Jim's location.  One less thing to worry =
about.
I had a nail in the map somewhere near Chicago.  Now where did I put =
that claw-hammer!
Cheers,
Chris


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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Cheers,</FONT></DIV>
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From: "Chris Curnow" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) who cares?
Date: 01 Sep 2001 18:34:03 +0100

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Crikey!  What an unpleasant email.  Even the colour shouts.

Chris.
P.S. I care.
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: JackOTradez=20
  To: [e-mail]=20
  Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 5:53 PM
  Subject: (fractint) who cares?


  Who cares if you're from the Queen's bloo'y England or commie-Canada =
or wherever!

  I didn't join this list to hear constant babbling about trivial things =
like that.

  Does anyone here talk about Fractals or Chaos theory??



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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Chris.</FONT></DIV>
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (fractint) OK I give up!
Date: 01 Sep 2001 13:51:50 -0500

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While only a subscriber for 3.5 of the 4+ years Jim has posted, I too appreciate
the daily "lift" - both intellectual and emotional - provided by Jim's
elegant posts.
<p>A concern - perhaps unique to me - is that this impressive body of work
may well go the way of many such on-line labors of love that exist in the
erasable world of cyberspace: obscurity, and ultimately, disappearance.
<p>Let's face it, even the best quality high-resolution large-format color
prints of such images eventually fade, smear and flake off. And the accompanying
narratives, which are as appealing and educational as the images themselves,
are likely to become separated.
<p>In contrast, the same image printed on high-quality acid-free paper
would last forever (or at least as long as any books last).
<p>In my humble opinion, Jim's thesis <b>"that complicated formulas are
not necessary for new and unusual fractals" </b>and his elegant daily demonstations,
deserve to be published.
<p>I - for one - would certainly pay the price (~$75) that Publishers tell
me such a 1- or 2-Volume compendium would cost. (Heck, the arithmetic is
easy: the $.08/page cost of using a color printer to reproduce just 1000
of Jim's >1500 existing images, Pars and Commentaries <b>already exceeds</b>
the COGS to produce them in the form of a hardbound book or 2-vol set)
<p>1500 people download Jim's images every day. Commercial publishers tell
me that 5000 copies is a typical press run for the first printing of a
graphics intensive-book. I'm quite sure that for every person interested
enough to have found them and download them from the Web, there would be
another 2 who would see the "book with the pretty pictures" in a bookstore
(Borders, Barnes& Noble, etc.) let alone via Amazon.com.
<p>So even if it were just another random "coffee-table book" for Xmas,
2001, it would be profitable for a Publisher and for Jim.
<p>That means it's do-able. I know I'd want one. Anyone else out there
interested  ?????????
<br>
<p>D. Freed.
<p>John Lewis wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>On Fri, 31 Aug 2001 00:15:20 -0500, Paul N. Lee wrote:
<br>Lee <[e-mail] Subject: Re: (fractint) OK I give
<br>up! Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 00:15:20 -0500 To:
<br><[e-mail]
<p>[Cut]
<p>For a little history on the FOTD, Jim made a posting on April 12,
<br>1997 to the Fractal-Art List which started the whole thing.  And
here
<br>is a portion of that message:
<p>"I'll try to post a different image every day, until I make my point
<br>that complicated formulas are not necessary for new and unusual
<br>fractals."
<p>That first FOTD was the "SnakeTree" formula and PAR.  And it has
been
<br>a most wonderous daily affair for all involved over the past 4-1/3
<br>years.
<p>And I would like to second the sentiment in the last paragraph. I
<br>have been enjoying them since I joined this list. Thank you, Jim, and
<br>they guys who publish your efforts on the net.
<p>John
<br>-- John Lewis, [e-mail] on 08/31/2001
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From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) OK I give up!
Date: 01 Sep 2001 14:09:17 -0500

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> ....printed on high-quality acid-free paper
> would last forever (or at least as long as
> any books last).
>
> I - for one - would certainly pay the price....
>
> Anyone else out there interested  ?????????
>

It would be interesting to have a book printed with the first few years
of FOTDs (whatever it would take to make the first volume).  And it
would be nice to see Jim profit from such a venture.  But I do not
believe that 5000 copies would be sold around the world very quickly.

Now something a little simpler, easier and more economical would be to
take the whole FOTD web pages (text and graphics) and create a CD-ROM
which could be accessed whenever.  All of the years could be included on
a single disc with room to spare for a separate area containing the PARs
and FRMs to be used by those programs capable of handling them.  The
cost would be much better on the old pocket book.

Plus, the CD could contain at least two different resolutions for the
Users enjoyment while viewing.    :-)

Sincerely,
P.N.L.
http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (fractint) OK I give up!- even further OT
Date: 01 Sep 2001 15:13:01 -0500

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Paul -
<p>IMHO, <b>AN ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC IDEA.</b> CD burns are an everyday
affair. No third parties, no BS overhead, etc, etc.
<p>Now, if we could just get this "Muth" guy on board . . . .
<p><b>Perhaps it doesn't matter</b>: persistent rumors have suggested
that the "fractal cats" are <b>actually</b> the ones reponsible for the
daily posts anyway.
<p>This theory was given some credence recently based on FBI & CIA
interviews with two <u>feline- Americans</u> [one d/b/a as "Tippy T. Tabby",
the other as "Thomas T. Oversized-Yellow-Orange- One"] at a safe-house
in the Washington DC-Baltimore area.
<p>Only time will <strike>tail </strike> tell . . . .
<br>
<p>D. Freed
<br>
<br>
<p>"Paul N. Lee" wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>[e-mail] wrote:
<br>>
<br>> ....printed on high-quality acid-free paper
<br>> would last forever (or at least as long as
<br>> any books last).
<br>>
<br>> I - for one - would certainly pay the price....
<br>>
<br>> Anyone else out there interested  ?????????
<br>>
<p>It would be interesting to have a book printed with the first few years
<br>of FOTDs (whatever it would take to make the first volume).  And
it
<br>would be nice to see Jim profit from such a venture.  But I do
not
<br>believe that 5000 copies would be sold around the world very quickly.
<p>Now something a little simpler, easier and more economical would be
to
<br>take the whole FOTD web pages (text and graphics) and create a CD-ROM
<br>which could be accessed whenever.  All of the years could be included
on
<br>a single disc with room to spare for a separate area containing the
PARs
<br>and FRMs to be used by those programs capable of handling them.
The
<br>cost would be much better on the old pocket book.
<p>Plus, the CD could contain at least two different resolutions for the
<br>Users enjoyment while viewing.    :-)
<p>Sincerely,
<br>P.N.L.
<br>--------------------------------------------------------------
<br><a href="http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go">http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go</a>
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From: Guy Marson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 30-08-01 (Butterflies Coming [6])
Date: 01 Sep 2001 23:01:53 +0200

At 09:47 31/08/01 +0000, you wrote:
>
>BTW, is *everyone* on this list from America?

No...  I'm living at: N49Deg. 34'12,28"; E006Deg. 9'2,32" .. (No, it's not
a part of Germany..    ;-)))



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  BGGBFGBDGBCGBBGB<3>BGG
  }

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}





cheers,


Guy

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (fractint) CD of FOTD's???
Date: 01 Sep 2001 20:51:34 EDT


I have been toying with the idea of a FOTD CD for some time.
Such a disk would include all the images and the long version
of the discussions, which were posted only to the philofractal
list.  With Tim's permission, I could also include the latest
version of the Fractint program.

I am set up to burn CD's.  The only problem is a lack of time
to gather the elements and edit the superfluous material from
the discussion files.  The coffee-table book is a good idea,
but impractical.  The number of FOTD's must be near 1600 by
this time.  I have all the images safely saved, but a few FOTD
discussions (35 or so) were lost when I suffered a disk crash
a couple years ago.  The missing discussions, which I have not
yet identified, can probably be supplied by Paul, who I assume
has all the discussions on file.

If I see any real interest in such a project, I'll certainly
have a go at it.  A little extra income could buy many treats
for the cats, who enjoy fractals but are too lazy to find any
of their own.

FOTD for September 02 coming in 12 hours.

Jim M.

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From: "b.rankin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 30-08-01 (Butterflies Coming [6])
Date: 02 Sep 2001 02:07:49 +0100

Hi.
Brian Rankin here.Just tried the formula, but i just get an error message
"cannot find file "home_town".
Please help.
Brian Rankin.
Ps. I live in Scotland.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 10:01 PM


> At 09:47 31/08/01 +0000, you wrote:
> >
> >BTW, is *everyone* on this list from America?
>
> No...  I'm living at: N49Deg. 34'12,28"; E006Deg. 9'2,32" .. (No, it's not
> a part of Germany..    ;-)))
>
>
>
> home_gm               {
>                      ;  Version 2001 Patchlevel 13
>   reset=2001 type=ifs ifsfile=home_gm.ifs ifs=home_town
>   center-mag=5.79991/0.501768/1.721194 params=1 maxiter=3000
>
colors=000BFGBDGBCG000<4>00000000000e0e0z00zzz0Zz0zzzzzLLLLLzLzLLzzzLLzL\
>
zzzLzzz000555<3>HHHKKKOOO<3>ccchhhmmmssszzz00z<3>z0z<3>z00<3>zz0<3>0z0<3\
>
>0zz<2>0GzVVz<3>zVz<3>zVV<3>zzV<3>VzV<3>Vzz<2>Vbzhhz<3>zhz<3>zhh<3>zzh<3\
>
>hzh<3>hzz<2>hlz00S<3>S0S<3>S00<3>SS0<3>0S0<3>0SS<2>07SEES<3>SES<3>SEE<3\
>
>SSE<3>ESE<3>ESS<2>EHSKKS<2>QKSSKSSKQSKOSKMSKK<2>SQKSSKQSKOSKMSKKSK<2>KS\
>
QKSSKQSKOSKMS00G<3>G0G<3>G00<3>GG0<3>0G0<3>0GG<2>04G88G<2>E8GG8GG8EG8CG8\
>
AG88<2>GE8GG8EG8CG8AG88G8<2>8GE8GG8EG8CG8AGBBG<2>FBGGBGGBFGBDGBCGBB<2>GF\
>   BGGBFGBDGBCGBBGB<3>BGG
>   }
>
> home_town  { ; generated by ifsspell
>  0.00000 -0.20000  0.05882  0.00000  0.30000  0.20000  0.02457
>  0.04412  0.00000  0.00000  0.20000  0.10000  0.00000  0.01843
>
>  0.00000 -0.20000  0.07353  0.00000  1.10000  0.00000  0.03072
>
>  0.00000 -0.20000  0.05882  0.00000  1.70000  0.00000  0.02457
>  0.04412  0.00000  0.00000  0.20000  1.30000  0.80000  0.01843
>
>  0.00000 -0.20000  0.05882  0.00000  2.50000  0.00000  0.02457
>  0.04412  0.00000  0.00000  0.20000  2.10000  0.80000  0.01843
>
>  0.00000 -0.20000  0.05882  0.00000  3.10000  0.20000  0.02457
>  0.04412  0.00000  0.00000  0.20000  2.90000  0.00000  0.01843
>
>  0.04412  0.00000  0.00000  0.20000  3.70000  0.80000  0.01843
>  0.04412  0.00000  0.00000  0.20000  3.70000  0.00000  0.01843
>  0.02941  0.00000  0.00000  0.20000  3.90000  0.40000  0.01229
>  0.00000 -0.20000  0.04412  0.00000  3.90000  0.20000  0.01843
>
>
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>  0.04412  0.00000  0.00000  0.20000  5.10000  0.00000  0.01843
>
>  0.00000  0.20000 -0.05882  0.00000  6.30000  1.00000  0.02457
> -0.04412 -0.00000  0.00000 -0.20000  6.50000  0.20000  0.01843
>  0.00000 -0.20000  0.05882  0.00000  6.10000  0.20000  0.02457
>
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>  0.03687  0.22368 -0.07364  0.00000  6.70000  1.00000  0.03440
>
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>  0.04412  0.00000  0.00000  0.20000  7.60000  0.00000  0.01843
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>  0.00000 -0.20000  0.04412  0.00000  7.80000  0.20000  0.01843
>
>  0.00000 -0.20000  0.07353  0.00000  8.60000  0.00000  0.03072
>  0.02785  0.21540 -0.06964 -0.00000  8.40000  1.00000  0.03133
>  0.02785 -0.21540  0.06964 -0.00000  9.00000  0.00000  0.03133
>  0.00000 -0.20000  0.07353  0.00000  9.40000  0.00000  0.03072
>
>  0.00000 -0.20000  0.07353  0.00000  9.80000  0.00000  0.03072
>  0.01471  0.25627 -0.01836  0.00000  9.80000  1.00000  0.00983
> -0.01471  0.25627 -0.01836  0.00000  10.00000 0.75000  0.00983
>  0.01471  0.25627 -0.01836  0.00000  9.80000  0.50000  0.00983
> -0.01471  0.25627 -0.01836  0.00000  10.00000 0.25000  0.00983
>
>  0.04412  0.00000  0.00000  0.20000  10.40000 0.80000  0.01843
> -0.04412 -0.00000  0.00000 -0.20000  11.00000 0.20000  0.01843
>  0.00000 -0.20000  0.04412  0.00000  10.60000 0.20000  0.01843
>  0.00000  0.20000 -0.04412  0.00000  10.80000 0.80000  0.01843
>
>  0.00000  0.20000 -0.05882  0.00000  11.60000 1.00000  0.02457
> -0.04412 -0.00000  0.00000 -0.20000  11.80000 0.20000  0.01843
>  0.00000 -0.20000  0.05882  0.00000  11.40000 0.20000  0.02457
>
>  0.00000 -0.20000  0.06250  0.00000  12.20000 0.00000  0.02611
>  0.03309  0.00000  0.00000  0.15000  12.00000 0.85000  0.01037
>  0.00000  0.15000 -0.02574  0.00000  12.45000 1.00000  0.00806
>  0.02941  0.00000  0.00000  0.15000  12.20000 0.50000  0.00921
>  0.01636  0.21893 -0.03674 -0.00000  12.20000 0.50000  0.01680
>
>  0.05147  0.00000  0.00000  0.20000  12.80000 0.80000  0.02150
>  0.00000 -0.20000  0.04412  0.00000  13.00000 0.20000  0.01843
>  0.03676  0.00000  0.00000  0.20000  12.80000 0.00000  0.01536
>  0.00000 -0.20000  0.02206  0.00000  13.50000 0.00000  0.00921
>  0.02941  0.00000  0.00000  0.20000  13.10000 0.30000  0.01229
>
> }
>
>
>
>
>
> cheers,
>
>
> Guy
>
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From: Jim Muth <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) C-FOTD  02-09-01  (Land of Sunflowers [4])
Date: 01 Sep 2001 22:13:13 -0400 (EDT)


Classic FOTD -- September 02, 2001 (Rating 4)

Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts:

Yes, I realize that it's a 4-1/2 hour image, but the devil made
me do it.  I wrote in yesterday's discussion that the as-yet
invisible midget at the center was probably nothing more than
circles ruined by moire patterns.  Today I had to check to see
if I was right.

As the rating of 4 shows, my suspicions were correct.

Everything close to the midget is indeed an un-resolved mess.  A
log color palette would have cleared up a lot of the mess near
the midget, which could use another thousand or so iterations.
But when I tried the log palette, the area close to the midget
became totally flat and featureless.  Enjoying chaos a bit more
than featurelessness, I decided to use the linear color palette.
The name "Land of Sunflowers" is more of a play on words than an
accurate description, though the resemblance to an actual
sunflower is reasonably apparent.

The circular character of the features surrounding the midget is
one of the greatest flaws with very deep midgets -- by the time
the midgets actually become visible, they all look the same.

The parameter file is attached for reference purposes.  It can
be run, but only the foolhardy would attempt to do so.  The only
practical way of viewing the image is to give Paul and Scott a
few hours to render and post it, and then pick it up from either
of their web sites.  The URL's of the FOTD web sites are:

          <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html>

and:

          <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html>

After the big electrical storm last evening, the weather turned
cooler and much less humid today.  The partly cloudy skies and
temperature of 84F 29C were appreciated by the fractal cats, who
finally came out from behind the sofa.

It's now time to enjoy the evening by settling into my favorite
chair and watching the junkiest old sci-fi movie I can dredge
up.  The full philofractal version of today's discussion will
appear on the philofractal list in 12 hours or so.  Until next
FOTD, take care, and don't get duplicated.


Jim Muth
[e-mail]


START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================

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From: Mike Traynor <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 30-08-01 (Butterflies Coming [6])
Date: 01 Sep 2001 22:18:10 -0400

Brian,


> Just tried the formula, but i just get an error message
> "cannot find file "home_town".
> Please help.

It had been a while since I'd generated an ifs par, so I had the
same probem.  Fixed by copying the stuff in "home_town  { ; generated by
ifsspell ..." into a text file named "home_gm.ifs" in my \fractint\ifs\
directory.

Mike


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Guy Marson" <[e-mail]>
> To: <[e-mail]>
> Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 10:01 PM
> Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 30-08-01 (Butterflies Coming [6])
>
> > At 09:47 31/08/01 +0000, you wrote:
> > >
> > >BTW, is *everyone* on this list from America?
> >
> > No...  I'm living at: N49Deg. 34'12,28"; E006Deg. 9'2,32" .. (No, it's not
> > a part of Germany..    ;-)))
> >
> >
> >
> > home_gm               {
> >                      ;  Version 2001 Patchlevel 13
> >   reset=2001 type=ifs ifsfile=home_gm.ifs ifs=home_town
> >   center-mag=5.79991/0.501768/1.721194 params=1 maxiter=3000
> >
> colors=000BFGBDGBCG000<4>00000000000e0e0z00zzz0Zz0zzzzzLLLLLzLzLLzzzLLzL\
> >
> zzzLzzz000555<3>HHHKKKOOO<3>ccchhhmmmssszzz00z<3>z0z<3>z00<3>zz0<3>0z0<3\
> >
> >0zz<2>0GzVVz<3>zVz<3>zVV<3>zzV<3>VzV<3>Vzz<2>Vbzhhz<3>zhz<3>zhh<3>zzh<3\
> >
> >hzh<3>hzz<2>hlz00S<3>S0S<3>S00<3>SS0<3>0S0<3>0SS<2>07SEES<3>SES<3>SEE<3\
> >
> >SSE<3>ESE<3>ESS<2>EHSKKS<2>QKSSKSSKQSKOSKMSKK<2>SQKSSKQSKOSKMSKKSK<2>KS\
> >
> QKSSKQSKOSKMS00G<3>G0G<3>G00<3>GG0<3>0G0<3>0GG<2>04G88G<2>E8GG8GG8EG8CG8\
> >
> AG88<2>GE8GG8EG8CG8AG88G8<2>8GE8GG8EG8CG8AGBBG<2>FBGGBGGBFGBDGBCGBB<2>GF\
> >   BGGBFGBDGBCGBBGB<3>BGG
> >   }
> >
> > home_town  { ; generated by ifsspell
> >  0.00000 -0.20000  0.05882  0.00000  0.30000  0.20000  0.02457
> >  0.04412  0.00000  0.00000  0.20000  0.10000  0.00000  0.01843
> >
> >  0.00000 -0.20000  0.07353  0.00000  1.10000  0.00000  0.03072
> >
> >  0.00000 -0.20000  0.05882  0.00000  1.70000  0.00000  0.02457
> >  0.04412  0.00000  0.00000  0.20000  1.30000  0.80000  0.01843
> >
> >  0.00000 -0.20000  0.05882  0.00000  2.50000  0.00000  0.02457
> >  0.04412  0.00000  0.00000  0.20000  2.10000  0.80000  0.01843
> >
> >  0.00000 -0.20000  0.05882  0.00000  3.10000  0.20000  0.02457
> >  0.04412  0.00000  0.00000  0.20000  2.90000  0.00000  0.01843
> >
> >  0.04412  0.00000  0.00000  0.20000  3.70000  0.80000  0.01843
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> >
> >
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> >  0.04412  0.00000  0.00000  0.20000  5.10000  0.00000  0.01843
> >
> >  0.00000  0.20000 -0.05882  0.00000  6.30000  1.00000  0.02457
> > -0.04412 -0.00000  0.00000 -0.20000  6.50000  0.20000  0.01843
> >  0.00000 -0.20000  0.05882  0.00000  6.10000  0.20000  0.02457
> >
> >  0.03687 -0.22368  0.07364  0.00000  6.90000  0.00000  0.03440
> >  0.03687  0.22368 -0.07364  0.00000  6.70000  1.00000  0.03440
> >
> >  0.04412  0.00000  0.00000  0.20000  7.60000  0.80000  0.01843
> >  0.04412  0.00000  0.00000  0.20000  7.60000  0.00000  0.01843
> >  0.02941  0.00000  0.00000  0.20000  7.80000  0.40000  0.01229
> >  0.00000 -0.20000  0.04412  0.00000  7.80000  0.20000  0.01843
> >
> >  0.00000 -0.20000  0.07353  0.00000  8.60000  0.00000  0.03072
> >  0.02785  0.21540 -0.06964 -0.00000  8.40000  1.00000  0.03133
> >  0.02785 -0.21540  0.06964 -0.00000  9.00000  0.00000  0.03133
> >  0.00000 -0.20000  0.07353  0.00000  9.40000  0.00000  0.03072
> >
> >  0.00000 -0.20000  0.07353  0.00000  9.80000  0.00000  0.03072
> >  0.01471  0.25627 -0.01836  0.00000  9.80000  1.00000  0.00983
> > -0.01471  0.25627 -0.01836  0.00000  10.00000 0.75000  0.00983
> >  0.01471  0.25627 -0.01836  0.00000  9.80000  0.50000  0.00983
> > -0.01471  0.25627 -0.01836  0.00000  10.00000 0.25000  0.00983
> >
> >  0.04412  0.00000  0.00000  0.20000  10.40000 0.80000  0.01843
> > -0.04412 -0.00000  0.00000 -0.20000  11.00000 0.20000  0.01843
> >  0.00000 -0.20000  0.04412  0.00000  10.60000 0.20000  0.01843
> >  0.00000  0.20000 -0.04412  0.00000  10.80000 0.80000  0.01843
> >
> >  0.00000  0.20000 -0.05882  0.00000  11.60000 1.00000  0.02457
> > -0.04412 -0.00000  0.00000 -0.20000  11.80000 0.20000  0.01843
> >  0.00000 -0.20000  0.05882  0.00000  11.40000 0.20000  0.02457
> >
> >  0.00000 -0.20000  0.06250  0.00000  12.20000 0.00000  0.02611
> >  0.03309  0.00000  0.00000  0.15000  12.00000 0.85000  0.01037
> >  0.00000  0.15000 -0.02574  0.00000  12.45000 1.00000  0.00806
> >  0.02941  0.00000  0.00000  0.15000  12.20000 0.50000  0.00921
> >  0.01636  0.21893 -0.03674 -0.00000  12.20000 0.50000  0.01680
> >
> >  0.05147  0.00000  0.00000  0.20000  12.80000 0.80000  0.02150
> >  0.00000 -0.20000  0.04412  0.00000  13.00000 0.20000  0.01843
> >  0.03676  0.00000  0.00000  0.20000  12.80000 0.00000  0.01536
> >  0.00000 -0.20000  0.02206  0.00000  13.50000 0.00000  0.00921
> >  0.02941  0.00000  0.00000  0.20000  13.10000 0.30000  0.01229
> >
> > }
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > cheers,
> >
> >
> > Guy
> >
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From: Mike Traynor <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD  02-09-01  (Land of Sunflowers [4])
Date: 01 Sep 2001 22:27:54 -0400

Jim,

> The parameter file is attached for reference purposes.  It can
> be run, but only the foolhardy would attempt to do so.

Nah.  After doing the last one at 1600x1200, why would I be shy
of generating this one?  Images like this remind me of the good
old days.

Mike

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From: Guy Marson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD  01-09-01  (Room-102 [6])
Date: 02 Sep 2001 10:10:56 +0200

At 09:18 01/09/01 EDT, you wrote:
>
>Room-102           { ; time=1:45:19.72--SF5 on a P200
>  reset=2001 type=mandel passes=1
>  center-mag=-1.999999999999999999996865044960966725\
>  05484407146437815168087706028311682344271/1.576807\
>  2533230194145854302469001380714e-41/7.380952e+073
>  params=0/0 float=y maxiter=900 inside=0
>  colors=000TKpWGpZJkaMfcPbfSYiVTkYPi`RgcSefTdiUblW`\
>  oXZrYYuZWn`UgaT`bRUcPNeOGfM9gL2hPAjSIlVQnYYpbXegWV\
>  lVKpUAqTFrSJsRNsQRtPVuOZuObqS`mV_jYYf`XbcV_fUWiSTl\
>  RkiFjaCiV9hN6gG3g90dN2a_4_l5`_M`Na`Bq8zC9tBAoAAiAB\
>  d9B_9EXAHUAKRAMOAPLASIAUGAPKBKOBFSCAWC5_C2W80T42_A\
>  4fF6mL7sQerXNbV4NUFCgQ2teEacGbbIbaKb`Mb`urcpsekthg\
>  ujbvlYwoUxsOwqPyZHfeJmlKtebog_qiYrkWtlUunRvpPxrNyT\
>  47fDZ7O34InUKt3qxCkyLfyU`ybWzkQzjpEo`budeWbSFLxOq8\
>  TlGYgOabWfZcjUkoPsN8_SAcXCgaEkeGojIsoKwb3pe6rg9sjB\
>  ulEvoGxqJyR1GZ6SeBclGoHXIOVQUTX`RdfPkmNsMjKRfQVcVZ\
>  ``bYegUjkRpoOuk`mnVrqQv2E6TIZaNqfMtjMvoLxfgXk_foSp\
>  IGu`Jx6WzJTzVQzgNzGt5QkK_bYiUlPPAwy9vpKuhVt`esTpZ_\
>  1iSW8ScIQhSPm`NqjMvEJ0SKLeLeBV0KTDTRQaPajNnhAFkDPm\
>  FZoHgqJq_5zc9zgCzkFzoIztsyslzsezsZzsSzYB1bDEfFQkHb\
>  oJnYs3blFfeRkZboSniWonQuVN_ZMcbMgeMk9cg8Vh8Mi8Dj5R\
>  m3cp1pr5kq9fqDbqHYqLTpPPp
>  }
>
Super!

But I can't go into the 'image coordinates' ('z' screen then 'F6') in order
to manually change the center-mag values.. Why?


cheers,


Guy

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From: Guy Marson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 30-08-01 (Butterflies Coming [6])
Date: 02 Sep 2001 10:23:24 +0200

At 22:18 01/09/01 -0400, you wrote:
>Brian,
>
>
>> Just tried the formula, but i just get an error message
>> "cannot find file "home_town".
>> Please help.
>
>It had been a while since I'd generated an ifs par, so I had the
>same probem.  Fixed by copying the stuff in "home_town  { ; generated by
>ifsspell ..." into a text file named "home_gm.ifs" in my \fractint\ifs\
>directory.
>
>Mike
>
>

that's right! Sorry, I forgot to explain the way to make a   .ifs running.

Thanks, Mike!


Cheers,

Guy



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From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) CD of FOTD's???
Date: 02 Sep 2001 03:46:12 -0500

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> ...the long version of the discussions,
> which were posted only to the philofractal
> list.

These are the same ones that get used for the FOTD web pages I create.
I believe that Scott uses the shorter discussion version from the
FractInt List.

>
> With Tim's permission, I could also include
> the latest version of the Fractint program.

I had thought of that as well, but wondered about legal ramifications of
selling a CD with a FREEWARE product on it.  I do know that other CDs I
have bought include such free programs in a separate directory, but
still not sure about how many people involved with FractInt would need
to be contacted for their permission.

>
> ....and edit the superfluous material from
> the discussion files.

Personally, I think some of those "extras" are what make the FOTDs very
interesting, and down to earth (so to speak).

>
> The number of FOTD's must be near 1600....

About 1,550 and growing.   :-)


>
> but a few FOTD discussions (35 or so) were
> lost....    .....can probably be supplied
> by Paul, who I assume has all the discussions
> on file.

Yep, no problems there.  Starting with the Fractal-Art List, to the
FractInt List, and on to the PhiloFractal List.

>
> If I see any real interest in such a project,
> I'll certainly have a go at it.

That is one reason I suggested using the web pages already established.
Everything is put together and pretty much ready to go.  It should not
take that much "tweaking" to finalize something workable for a CD-ROM.

Sincerely,
P.N.L.
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From: "b.rankin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 30-08-01 (Butterflies Coming [6])
Date: 02 Sep 2001 10:53:09 +0100

Thanks Mike.
Brian.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 3:18 AM


> Brian,
>
>
> > Just tried the formula, but i just get an error message
> > "cannot find file "home_town".
> > Please help.
>
> It had been a while since I'd generated an ifs par, so I had the
> same probem.  Fixed by copying the stuff in "home_town  { ; generated by
> ifsspell ..." into a text file named "home_gm.ifs" in my \fractint\ifs\
> directory.
>
> Mike
>
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Guy Marson" <[e-mail]>
> > To: <[e-mail]>
> > Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 10:01 PM
> > Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 30-08-01 (Butterflies Coming [6])
> >
> > > At 09:47 31/08/01 +0000, you wrote:
> > > >
> > > >BTW, is *everyone* on this list from America?
> > >
> > > No...  I'm living at: N49Deg. 34'12,28"; E006Deg. 9'2,32" .. (No, it's
not
> > > a part of Germany..    ;-)))
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > home_gm               {
> > >                      ;  Version 2001 Patchlevel 13
> > >   reset=2001 type=ifs ifsfile=home_gm.ifs ifs=home_town
> > >   center-mag=5.79991/0.501768/1.721194 params=1 maxiter=3000
> > >
> >
colors=000BFGBDGBCG000<4>00000000000e0e0z00zzz0Zz0zzzzzLLLLLzLzLLzzzLLzL\
> > >
> >
zzzLzzz000555<3>HHHKKKOOO<3>ccchhhmmmssszzz00z<3>z0z<3>z00<3>zz0<3>0z0<3\
> > >
> >
>0zz<2>0GzVVz<3>zVz<3>zVV<3>zzV<3>VzV<3>Vzz<2>Vbzhhz<3>zhz<3>zhh<3>zzh<3\
> > >
> >
>hzh<3>hzz<2>hlz00S<3>S0S<3>S00<3>SS0<3>0S0<3>0SS<2>07SEES<3>SES<3>SEE<3\
> > >
> >
>SSE<3>ESE<3>ESS<2>EHSKKS<2>QKSSKSSKQSKOSKMSKK<2>SQKSSKQSKOSKMSKKSK<2>KS\
> > >
> >
QKSSKQSKOSKMS00G<3>G0G<3>G00<3>GG0<3>0G0<3>0GG<2>04G88G<2>E8GG8GG8EG8CG8\
> > >
> >
AG88<2>GE8GG8EG8CG8AG88G8<2>8GE8GG8EG8CG8AGBBG<2>FBGGBGGBFGBDGBCGBB<2>GF\
> > >   BGGBFGBDGBCGBBGB<3>BGG
> > >   }
> > >
> > > home_town  { ; generated by ifsspell
> > >  0.00000 -0.20000  0.05882  0.00000  0.30000  0.20000  0.02457
> > >  0.04412  0.00000  0.00000  0.20000  0.10000  0.00000  0.01843
> > >
> > >  0.00000 -0.20000  0.07353  0.00000  1.10000  0.00000  0.03072
> > >
> > >  0.00000 -0.20000  0.05882  0.00000  1.70000  0.00000  0.02457
> > >  0.04412  0.00000  0.00000  0.20000  1.30000  0.80000  0.01843
> > >
> > >  0.00000 -0.20000  0.05882  0.00000  2.50000  0.00000  0.02457
> > >  0.04412  0.00000  0.00000  0.20000  2.10000  0.80000  0.01843
> > >
> > >  0.00000 -0.20000  0.05882  0.00000  3.10000  0.20000  0.02457
> > >  0.04412  0.00000  0.00000  0.20000  2.90000  0.00000  0.01843
> > >
> > >  0.04412  0.00000  0.00000  0.20000  3.70000  0.80000  0.01843
> > >  0.04412  0.00000  0.00000  0.20000  3.70000  0.00000  0.01843
> > >  0.02941  0.00000  0.00000  0.20000  3.90000  0.40000  0.01229
> > >  0.00000 -0.20000  0.04412  0.00000  3.90000  0.20000  0.01843
> > >
> > >
> > >  0.00000 -0.20000  0.05882  0.00000  5.30000  0.20000  0.02457
> > >  0.04412  0.00000  0.00000  0.20000  5.10000  0.00000  0.01843
> > >
> > >  0.00000  0.20000 -0.05882  0.00000  6.30000  1.00000  0.02457
> > > -0.04412 -0.00000  0.00000 -0.20000  6.50000  0.20000  0.01843
> > >  0.00000 -0.20000  0.05882  0.00000  6.10000  0.20000  0.02457
> > >
> > >  0.03687 -0.22368  0.07364  0.00000  6.90000  0.00000  0.03440
> > >  0.03687  0.22368 -0.07364  0.00000  6.70000  1.00000  0.03440
> > >
> > >  0.04412  0.00000  0.00000  0.20000  7.60000  0.80000  0.01843
> > >  0.04412  0.00000  0.00000  0.20000  7.60000  0.00000  0.01843
> > >  0.02941  0.00000  0.00000  0.20000  7.80000  0.40000  0.01229
> > >  0.00000 -0.20000  0.04412  0.00000  7.80000  0.20000  0.01843
> > >
> > >  0.00000 -0.20000  0.07353  0.00000  8.60000  0.00000  0.03072
> > >  0.02785  0.21540 -0.06964 -0.00000  8.40000  1.00000  0.03133
> > >  0.02785 -0.21540  0.06964 -0.00000  9.00000  0.00000  0.03133
> > >  0.00000 -0.20000  0.07353  0.00000  9.40000  0.00000  0.03072
> > >
> > >  0.00000 -0.20000  0.07353  0.00000  9.80000  0.00000  0.03072
> > >  0.01471  0.25627 -0.01836  0.00000  9.80000  1.00000  0.00983
> > > -0.01471  0.25627 -0.01836  0.00000  10.00000 0.75000  0.00983
> > >  0.01471  0.25627 -0.01836  0.00000  9.80000  0.50000  0.00983
> > > -0.01471  0.25627 -0.01836  0.00000  10.00000 0.25000  0.00983
> > >
> > >  0.04412  0.00000  0.00000  0.20000  10.40000 0.80000  0.01843
> > > -0.04412 -0.00000  0.00000 -0.20000  11.00000 0.20000  0.01843
> > >  0.00000 -0.20000  0.04412  0.00000  10.60000 0.20000  0.01843
> > >  0.00000  0.20000 -0.04412  0.00000  10.80000 0.80000  0.01843
> > >
> > >  0.00000  0.20000 -0.05882  0.00000  11.60000 1.00000  0.02457
> > > -0.04412 -0.00000  0.00000 -0.20000  11.80000 0.20000  0.01843
> > >  0.00000 -0.20000  0.05882  0.00000  11.40000 0.20000  0.02457
> > >
> > >  0.00000 -0.20000  0.06250  0.00000  12.20000 0.00000  0.02611
> > >  0.03309  0.00000  0.00000  0.15000  12.00000 0.85000  0.01037
> > >  0.00000  0.15000 -0.02574  0.00000  12.45000 1.00000  0.00806
> > >  0.02941  0.00000  0.00000  0.15000  12.20000 0.50000  0.00921
> > >  0.01636  0.21893 -0.03674 -0.00000  12.20000 0.50000  0.01680
> > >
> > >  0.05147  0.00000  0.00000  0.20000  12.80000 0.80000  0.02150
> > >  0.00000 -0.20000  0.04412  0.00000  13.00000 0.20000  0.01843
> > >  0.03676  0.00000  0.00000  0.20000  12.80000 0.00000  0.01536
> > >  0.00000 -0.20000  0.02206  0.00000  13.50000 0.00000  0.00921
> > >  0.02941  0.00000  0.00000  0.20000  13.10000 0.30000  0.01229
> > >
> > > }
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > cheers,
> > >
> > >
> > > Guy
> > >
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From: Thomas Bennett <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) CD of FOTD's???
Date: 02 Sep 2001 03:03:40 -0700 (PDT)

I would be most interested in a CD of Fractal of the
Day. And would be very happy to pay a reasonable price
for it.

   Tom


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From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 30-08-01 (Butterflies Coming [6])
Date: 02 Sep 2001 06:03:07 -0500

Guy Marson <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> I'm living at: N49Deg. 34'12,28";
>                E006Deg. 9'2,32"
>

I think the "LU" in your email address gives your country away.    :-)

P.N.L.
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From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD  02-09-01  (Land of Sunflowers [4])
Date: 02 Sep 2001 06:15:22 -0500

Jim Muth wrote:
>
> The parameter file is attached for
> reference purposes.  It can be run,
> but only the foolhardy would attempt
> to do so.

I am afraid that there are at least a couple more "foolhardy"
individuals around.  Here are the times it took for at least three of
us:

C-FOTD 01-09-01 (Room-102 [6])
    Jim's P200 at SF5        01:45:19.72
    Scott's machine at SF5   03:53:39.68
    My old P700 at SF5       00:32:20.19


C-FOTD 02-09-01 (Land of Sunflowers [4])
    Jim's P200 at SF5        04:28:50.04
    Scott's machine at SF5      ?  ?
    My old P700 at SF5       01:20:57.28


Sincerely,
P.N.L.
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (fractint) Philofractal version of FOTD
Date: 02 Sep 2001 08:08:05 EDT


The Philofractal version of the FOTD for Sep 02 will
be posted in a few hours.  It will have extra material.
I posted the Fractint version earlier to give Paul and
Scott a chance to render the unusually slow image.

Jim M.

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From: "Jonathan Osuch" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD  01-09-01  (Room-102 [6])
Date: 02 Sep 2001 07:15:40 -0500

Guy,

> But I can't go into the 'image coordinates' ('z' screen then 'F6') in
order
> to manually change the center-mag values.. Why?

That's because of the arbitrary precision math being used.  Tim didn't
implement the 'F6' option when he added the ap-math routines.  This is
probably due to having to be able to read arbitrarily large numbers from an
arbitrarily large piece of screen real estate and put it into an arbitrarily
large buffer so it can be converted into the internal format used by
Fractint.  But, this is only a guess.  Tim would have a better answer.

Jonathan



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From: "Les St Clair" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) OK I give up!
Date: 02 Sep 2001 14:06:45 +0100

Dear All,

On the subject of Jim's pars, I'm glad to say that I have recently updated
the par/frm collections on my website

http://www.les.stclair.btinternet.co.uk/fractals/pars.htm

All FOTD's since 12th April '97 until 31st Aug.'01 are there.

A word of warning, some of Jim's pars use the Developer's version of
Fractint, so they won't render properly with the current v.20
There's a link to the Developer's version on the same page as the pars.


regards, Les St Clair



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Subject: (fractint) Re: A CD of Jim's FotD's, PARS & Commentaries - YES
Date: 02 Sep 2001 09:46:54 -0500

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Well, a CD certainly appears do-able, and for a variety of reasons, less
complicated than a book at present (although I'll bet you a nickel that
upon seing it in CD format, a major publisher will go to Jim and propose
putting it in book form - - then maybe all you guys can recover some of
your "sweat equity".)
<p>A further benefit of producing Jim's FotD's in CD format now, is that
it can be done in such a manner that those who contribute most (JaM, PNL,
Scott, Tim) can show all of the rest of us how it is possible - by mutual
agreement and cooperation - to deal with the "ownership"/ "licensure" issues
which have been previously been "discussed" on this site <i>ad nauseam</i>
by the peanut gallery.
<p>The (temporary) loss of the 35 or so files mentioned by PNL is the kind
of potential archiving disaster (what if there had been no PNL?) I was
talking about yesterday unless the FotD's are committed to some sort of
widely-distributable "permanent" medium before we all turn 64.
<p>Congrats to you guys (Jim, Paul, Scott, Tim, others) for being wiling
to at least discuss doing all the rest of us such a courtesy, and as always,
in your usual professional manner. I find the prospect of having an indexed
CD of all 1550 or so of Jim's FotD's, their accompanying PARS and "Commentary
by Muth" really exciting.
<p>And perhaps the Fractal Cats - if not given their due as Co-authors
- could even be induced (a few extra treats here, a can of tuna there)
to contribute their own Introduction with some personal remembrances of
the "lean years" when Jim was just a pup himself . . . .
<br>
<p>D. Freed
<br>
<p>"Paul N. Lee" wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>[e-mail] wrote:
<br>>
<br>> ...the long version of the discussions,
<br>> which were posted only to the philofractal
<br>> list.
<p>These are the same ones that get used for the FOTD web pages I create.
<br>I believe that Scott uses the shorter discussion version from the
<br>FractInt List.
<p>>
<br>> With Tim's permission, I could also include
<br>> the latest version of the Fractint program.
<p>I had thought of that as well, but wondered about legal ramifications
of
<br>selling a CD with a FREEWARE product on it.  I do know that other
CDs I
<br>have bought include such free programs in a separate directory, but
<br>still not sure about how many people involved with FractInt would need
<br>to be contacted for their permission.
<p>>
<br>> ....and edit the superfluous material from
<br>> the discussion files.
<p>Personally, I think some of those "extras" are what make the FOTDs very
<br>interesting, and down to earth (so to speak).
<p>>
<br>> The number of FOTD's must be near 1600....
<p>About 1,550 and growing.   :-)
<p>>
<br>> but a few FOTD discussions (35 or so) were
<br>> lost....    .....can probably be supplied
<br>> by Paul, who I assume has all the discussions
<br>> on file.
<p>Yep, no problems there.  Starting with the Fractal-Art List, to
the
<br>FractInt List, and on to the PhiloFractal List.
<p>>
<br>> If I see any real interest in such a project,
<br>> I'll certainly have a go at it.
<p>That is one reason I suggested using the web pages already established.
<br>Everything is put together and pretty much ready to go.  It should
not
<br>take that much "tweaking" to finalize something workable for a CD-ROM.
<p>Sincerely,
<br>P.N.L.
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From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: A CD of Jim's FotD's, PARS & Commentaries - YES
Date: 02 Sep 2001 15:01:28 -0500

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> ....how it is possible - by mutual agreement
> and cooperation - to deal with the "ownership"/
> "licensure" issues which have been previously
> been "discussed" on this site....

Even though it is possible, the addition of the FractInt software (I
assume both the executable and source) would most likely require some
form of statement regarding it's free distribution.  And that the sales
price of the CD is to cover production and shipping only (pricing would
vary considering destination).

Any pricing too high, which caused a profit, might not be acceptable by
the Stone Soup Group's philosophy.  Maybe Tim Wegner will step in and
comment on this??

>
> (what if there had been no PNL?)

Then there would have been someone else who is just as much a packrat.

>
> I find the prospect of having an indexed CD
> of all 1550 or so of Jim's FotD's, their
> accompanying PARS and "Commentary by Muth"
> really exciting.

Another item to think about, are the many FOTDs that were posted on the
Usenet Newsgroups (and discussed within the FOTD) that are in the JPEG
file format.  Many of these were enhanced in some manner to alter the
normal GIF output from FractInt, so the question arises, does the CD
include the one posted and discussed, or the plain GIF, or maybe both
versions??

Sincerely,
P.N.L.
http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go

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Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: A CD of Jim's FotD's, PARS & Commentaries - YES
Date: 02 Sep 2001 15:53:59 -0500

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All valid concerns.
<p>I'm just pleased they're beng discussed.
<p>Perhaps (no doubt, in fact), there are Attorneys among the downloaders
who - having remained stealthily silent so far - might admit their existence
(if only in private to JAM, PNL, et. al.) - provide some informed advise/counsel
on the Intellectual Property and other legal issues involved. [After, of
course, the principals involved sign the requisite "NonDisclosure Of The
Attorney's Identity" Agreements . . . . .]
<p>Freed
<p>"Paul N. Lee" wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>[e-mail] wrote:
<br>>
<br>> ....how it is possible - by mutual agreement
<br>> and cooperation - to deal with the "ownership"/
<br>> "licensure" issues which have been previously
<br>> been "discussed" on this site....
<p>Even though it is possible, the addition of the FractInt software (I
<br>assume both the executable and source) would most likely require some
<br>form of statement regarding it's free distribution.  And that
the sales
<br>price of the CD is to cover production and shipping only (pricing would
<br>vary considering destination).
<p>Any pricing too high, which caused a profit, might not be acceptable
by
<br>the Stone Soup Group's philosophy.  Maybe Tim Wegner will step
in and
<br>comment on this??
<p>>
<br>> (what if there had been no PNL?)
<p>Then there would have been someone else who is just as much a packrat.
<p>>
<br>> I find the prospect of having an indexed CD
<br>> of all 1550 or so of Jim's FotD's, their
<br>> accompanying PARS and "Commentary by Muth"
<br>> really exciting.
<p>Another item to think about, are the many FOTDs that were posted on
the
<br>Usenet Newsgroups (and discussed within the FOTD) that are in the JPEG
<br>file format.  Many of these were enhanced in some manner to alter
the
<br>normal GIF output from FractInt, so the question arises, does the CD
<br>include the one posted and discussed, or the plain GIF, or maybe both
<br>versions??
<p>Sincerely,
<br>P.N.L.
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From: Guy Marson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD  01-09-01  (Room-102 [6])
Date: 02 Sep 2001 23:35:06 +0200

Hi Jonathan,

At 07:15 02/09/01 -0500, you wrote:
>Guy,
>
>> But I can't go into the 'image coordinates' ('z' screen then 'F6') in
>order
>> to manually change the center-mag values.. Why?
>
>That's because of the arbitrary precision math being used.  Tim didn't
>implement the 'F6' option when he added the ap-math routines.

ok, this answer is enough, so it's no 'bug' in the Ver.20.1.13

>This is
>probably due to having to be able to read arbitrarily large numbers from an
>arbitrarily large piece of screen real estate and put it into an arbitrarily
>large buffer so it can be converted into the internal format used by
>Fractint.  But, this is only a guess.  Tim would have a better answer.
>
>Jonathan

And many thanks for implementing f4 and f5 into the evolver!

Cheers,

Guy

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From: Guy Marson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 30-08-01 (Butterflies Coming [6])
Date: 02 Sep 2001 23:35:11 +0200

At 06:03 02/09/01 -0500, you wrote:
>Guy Marson <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>
>> I'm living at: N49Deg. 34'12,28";
>>                E006Deg. 9'2,32"
>>
>
>I think the "LU" in your email address gives your country away.    :-)

Right, but there was an old agreement, that all 'off-topic' mail should be
accompanied by a .par   ;-)

cheers,

Guy

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From: Ken MacLean <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD  02-09-01  (Land of Sunflowers [4])
Date: 02 Sep 2001 23:02:56 -0400


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Paul --
Is there any way to run fractint on a machine that doesn't have a VESA
board? My rig has a 3dFX PCI board, but I can't seem to run the DOS
version of fractint on any setting but F3 or SF1, which doesn't generate
very good resolution.
Sincerely,
Kenneth MacLean

"Paul N. Lee" wrote:

> Jim Muth wrote:
> >
> > The parameter file is attached for
> > reference purposes.  It can be run,
> > but only the foolhardy would attempt
> > to do so.
>
> I am afraid that there are at least a couple more "foolhardy"
> individuals around.  Here are the times it took for at least three of
> us:
>
> C-FOTD 01-09-01 (Room-102 [6])
> ------------------------------
>     Jim's P200 at SF5        01:45:19.72
>     Scott's machine at SF5   03:53:39.68
>     My old P700 at SF5       00:32:20.19
>
> C-FOTD 02-09-01 (Land of Sunflowers [4])
> ----------------------------------------
>     Jim's P200 at SF5        04:28:50.04
>     Scott's machine at SF5      ?  ?
>     My old P700 at SF5       01:20:57.28
>
> Sincerely,
> P.N.L.
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Paul --
<br>Is there any way to run fractint on a machine that doesn't have a VESA
board? My rig has a 3dFX PCI board, but I can't seem to run the DOS version
of fractint on any setting but F3 or SF1, which doesn't generate very good
resolution.
<br>Sincerely,
<br>Kenneth MacLean
<p>"Paul N. Lee" wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Jim Muth wrote:
<br>>
<br>> The parameter file is attached for
<br>> reference purposes.  It can be run,
<br>> but only the foolhardy would attempt
<br>> to do so.
<p>I am afraid that there are at least a couple more "foolhardy"
<br>individuals around.  Here are the times it took for at least three
of
<br>us:
<p>C-FOTD 01-09-01 (Room-102 [6])
<br>------------------------------
<br>    Jim's P200 at SF5
01:45:19.72
<br>    Scott's machine at SF5   03:53:39.68
<br>    My old P700 at SF5
00:32:20.19
<p>C-FOTD 02-09-01 (Land of Sunflowers [4])
<br>----------------------------------------
<br>    Jim's P200 at SF5
04:28:50.04
<br>    Scott's machine at SF5
?  ?
<br>    My old P700 at SF5
01:20:57.28
<p>Sincerely,
<br>P.N.L.
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From: "Morgan L. Owens" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: A CD of Jim's FotD's, PARS & Commentaries -
Date: 03 Sep 2001 20:09:29 +1200

At 15:01 02/09/2001 -0500, Paul N. Lee wrote:
>[e-mail] wrote:
> >
> > ....how it is possible - by mutual agreement
> > and cooperation - to deal with the "ownership"/
> > "licensure" issues which have been previously
> > been "discussed" on this site....
>
>Even though it is possible, the addition of the FractInt software (I
>assume both the executable and source) would most likely require some
>form of statement regarding it's free distribution.  And that the sales
>price of the CD is to cover production and shipping only (pricing would
>vary considering destination).

Well, there is one - it's in the Fractint documentation and goes
"
   Fractint is freeware. The copyright is retained by the Stone Soup Group.

   Fractint may be freely copied and distributed in unmodified form but may
   not be sold. (A nominal distribution fee may be charged for media and
   handling by freeware and shareware distributors.) Fractint may be used
   personally or in a business - if you can do your job better by using
   Fractint, or using images from it, that's great! It may not be given
   away with commercial products without explicit permission from the Stone
   Soup Group.

   There is no warranty of Fractint's suitability for any purpose, nor any
   acceptance of liability, express or implied.

    **********************************************************************
    * Contribution policy: Don't want money. Got money. Want admiration. *
    **********************************************************************

   Source code for Fractint is also freely available - see Distribution of
   Fractint (p. 183).  See the FRACTSRC.DOC file included with the source
   for conditions on use.  (In most cases we just want credit.)
"

I do recall talk some time past about writing something more comprehensive
and solid, however - possibly along the lines of the Mozilla Public or Perl
Artistic licenses.

Morgan L. Owens
"Well, it wasn't likely to be 'sometime future', was it? Though it probably
will be."


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From: Tim Wegner <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: A CD of Jim's FotD's, PARS & Commentaries - YES
Date: 03 Sep 2001 10:11:44 -0600

> > With Tim's permission, I could also include
> > the latest version of the Fractint program.
> I had thought of that as well, but wondered about legal ramifications of
> selling a CD with a FREEWARE product on it.I do know that other CDs I
> have bought include such free programs in a separate directory, but
> still not sure about how many people involved with FractInt would need
> to be contacted for their permission.

It's enough to contact me or Jonathan for this sort of permission.

A FOTD CD would be nice thing to make available.

We have generally allowed Fractint to be included with CDs by artists who have been
contributors to the fractint community. There was a time when we had our own publishing
projects, and then we had be more careful. These days there is less reason than ever for us to
withold this sort of permission, but it is important to ask us first. The main thing is to not
misrepresnt the CD as selling the software - it should be clear that fractint itself is free and
included on the CD as a convenience.


Tim


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From: Tim Wegner <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: A CD of Jim's FotD's, PARS & Commentaries - YES
Date: 03 Sep 2001 10:11:45 -0600

Morgan wrote:

> I do recall talk some time past about writing something more
> comprehensive and solid, however - possibly along the lines of the > Mozilla Public or Perl
Artistic licenses.

I would dearly love to change the license. But it is very hard to do. We'd have to contact all sorts
of people we haven't heard from in ten years.

While I doubt any past developers would object, my experience is that one should be careful in
these matters.

We could do a substantial rewrite and make the license GPL or one of the other licenses. There
is no real need that I can see to change the license for the DOS version which is at the end of
life. A future version (new platform) should have a new license.

At the present time (with the present license) permission should be gotten from us to put fractint
on a CD. If we GPL'd fractint, this would become unnecessary. As I said in another message,
these days we have little reason to refuse such a request.

Tim


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Subject: (fractint) C-FOTD  03-09-01  (Not the Negative Stem [5])
Date: 03 Sep 2001 11:25:33 EDT


Classic FOTD -- September 03, 2001 (Rating 5)

Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts:

At first glance, today's midget looks as though it is located
far out on the negative stem, (not to be called a tail), but it
is not.  It is actually located on the east branch of the north
filament.  This is why I named it "Not the Negative Stem".

The effect of fingers pointing in toward the midget is not so
much a feature found only at the tip of the negative stem as it
is a feature of all midgets located near the bailout radius,
where everything gets cut off.  In today's fractal, which lies
in the classic Mandelbrot set, the bailout has been set to 2
instead of the normal 4 or greater.  As a result, the part of
the set beyond a radius of 1.4142 has been cut off.  To find
today's scene, I simply zoomed into the point where the filament
gets cut off.

The picture created by this maneuvering is not great, but it's
not terrible either.  A perfectly average rating of 5 seems just
about right.

The magnitude of the image is on the borderline of the range of
arbitrary math.  The image renders in 10-1/2 minutes using
arbitrary math and in only a few seconds with normal double-
precision math.  But though the normal math saves time, the
resulting image has tiny flaws.  I recommend patience and
arbitrary math.

Less patience will be needed if one gives Paul and Scott a
chance to render and post the GIF image to their web sites,
which are located at:

          <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html>

and:

          <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html>

The fractal weather today (Sep 2) was once again near perfect,
with sunny skies, angel-hair cirrus, and a temperature of 79F
26C.  The fractal cats showed their joy by sleeping peacefully
through the perfect afternoon.

On a philosophical note, I heard today that Steven Hawking, who
is strong on AI, has warned that man must find a way to improve
his DNA to give him greater intelligence.  According to Hawking,
we must increase our intelligence to avoid the danger that
machines with superior intelligence will take over the world.

I must place the danger of being taken over by computers
somewhere on my list of things to worry about, probably about
two levels below the danger of earth being destroyed by an
asteroid.  Of course, I already spend so much time with
computers that if I were taken over, I would probably notice no
difference.

Well, it's Labor Day here in the U.S.A., the mis-named holiday
on which no one works.  Being one who celebrates holidays to the
fullest, I'll spend the rest of the day doing absolutely
nothing.  But I'll return on schedule tomorrow with another
FOTD.  Until then, take care, and it will be interesting to see
whether those intelligent machines ever become intelligent
enough to develop the need for a belief in an electronic God.


Jim Muth
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Subject: (fractint) Resolution of Re: A CD of Jim's FotD's, PARS & Commentaries - YES
Date: 03 Sep 2001 11:43:04 -0500

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Again, will an <b><u>ATTORNEY</u></b>????
<p>There's really no need to speculate; merely to examine the Stone Soup
documentation, and any written agreements between/among the other Parties
involved. This is straightforward Contract and Intellectual Property law,
interpretable by <u>any</u> Legal <u>generalist</u>
<p>All this falls within the purview of established Contract Law, and its
subset Intellectual Property law, and could be resolved (at <b>no charge</b>,
of course) by <b>any</b> attorney Board-certified to practice law in any
of the 50 states.
<p>Freed
<p>Tim Wegner wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Morgan wrote:
<p>> I do recall talk some time past about writing something more
<br>> comprehensive and solid, however - possibly along the lines of the
> Mozilla Public or Perl
<br>Artistic licenses.
<p>I would dearly love to change the license. But it is very hard to do.
We'd have to contact all sorts
<br>of people we haven't heard from in ten years.
<p>While I doubt any past developers would object, my experience is that
one should be careful in
<br>these matters.
<p>We could do a substantial rewrite and make the license GPL or one of
the other licenses. There
<br>is no real need that I can see to change the license for the DOS version
which is at the end of
<br>life. A future version (new platform) should have a new license.
<p>At the present time (with the present license) permission should be
gotten from us to put fractint
<br>on a CD. If we GPL'd fractint, this would become unnecessary. As I
said in another message,
<br>these days we have little reason to refuse such a request.
<p>Tim
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Subject: (fractint) Amendment to: Re: A CD of Jim's FotD's, PARS & Commentaries - YES
Date: 03 Sep 2001 13:09:37 -0500

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"Amendments" indicated in Italics in Para #1:
<p>[e-mail] wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Again, will <i>one of the stealth</i> <b><u>ATTORNEY<i>s</i></u><i>
</i></b><i>kindly<b> </b>present him/herself, privately, to one of the
Principals [JAM, PNL,Tim, Scott, et al] and provide a little <u>pro bono</u>
assistance here <b>????</b></i>
<p>There's really no need to speculate; merely to examine the Stone Soup
documentation, and any written agreements between/among the other Parties
involved. This is straightforward Contract and Intellectual Property law,
interpretable by <u>any</u> Legal <u>generalist</u>
<p>All this falls within the purview of established Contract Law, and its
subset Intellectual Property law, and could be resolved (at <b>no charge</b>,
of course) by <b>any</b> attorney Board-certified to practice law in any
of the 50 states.
<p>Freed
<p>Tim Wegner wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Morgan wrote:
<p>> I do recall talk some time past about writing something more
<br>> comprehensive and solid, however - possibly along the lines of the
> Mozilla Public or Perl
<br>Artistic licenses.
<p>I would dearly love to change the license. But it is very hard to do.
We'd have to contact all sorts
<br>of people we haven't heard from in ten years.
<p>While I doubt any past developers would object, my experience is that
one should be careful in
<br>these matters.
<p>We could do a substantial rewrite and make the license GPL or one of
the other licenses. There
<br>is no real need that I can see to change the license for the DOS version
which is at the end of
<br>life. A future version (new platform) should have a new license.
<p>At the present time (with the present license) permission should be
gotten from us to put fractint
<br>on a CD. If we GPL'd fractint, this would become unnecessary. As I
said in another message,
<br>these days we have little reason to refuse such a request.
<p>Tim
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Subject: Re: (fractint) Amendment to: Re: A CD of Jim's FotD's, PARS &
Date: 03 Sep 2001 20:29:41 -0400


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     Folks:

     I normally just lurk on this list, but I think that you may be
missing something in this discussion.  I doubt that there would be any
legal problem with putting the FOTDs on a CD: all you would need is Jim
Muth's permission.  If a person who gets the disc doesn't already have
fractint (very likely they will) then they can just download it.  You
can get it lots of places, and I would think that anyone who was that
interested would know how to find it.
     FWIW.

                                                                 Mike
Hughes


[e-mail] wrote:

> "Amendments" indicated in Italics in Para #1:
>
> [e-mail] wrote:
>
>> Again, will one of the stealth ATTORNEYskindly present him/herself,
>> privately, to one of the Principals [JAM, PNL,Tim, Scott, et al] and
>> provide a little pro bono assistance here ????
>>
>> There's really no need to speculate; merely to examine the Stone
>> Soup documentation, and any written agreements between/among the
>> other Parties involved. This is straightforward Contract and
>> Intellectual Property law, interpretable by any Legal generalist
>>
>> All this falls within the purview of established Contract Law, and
>> its subset Intellectual Property law, and could be resolved (at no
>> charge, of course) by any attorney Board-certified to practice law
>> in any of the 50 states.
>>
>> Freed
>>
>> Tim Wegner wrote:
>>
>> > Morgan wrote:
>> >
>> > > I do recall talk some time past about writing something more
>> > > comprehensive and solid, however - possibly along the lines of
>> > the > Mozilla Public or Perl
>> > Artistic licenses.
>> >
>> > I would dearly love to change the license. But it is very hard to
>> > do. We'd have to contact all sorts
>> > of people we haven't heard from in ten years.
>> >
>> > While I doubt any past developers would object, my experience is
>> > that one should be careful in
>> > these matters.
>> >
>> > We could do a substantial rewrite and make the license GPL or one
>> > of the other licenses. There
>> > is no real need that I can see to change the license for the DOS
>> > version which is at the end of
>> > life. A future version (new platform) should have a new license.
>> >
>> > At the present time (with the present license) permission should be
>> > gotten from us to put fractint
>> > on a CD. If we GPL'd fractint, this would become unnecessary. As I
>> > said in another message,
>> > these days we have little reason to refuse such a request.
>> >
>> > Tim
>> >
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<br>     Folks:
<p>     I normally just lurk on this list, but I think
that you may be missing something in this discussion.  I doubt that
there would be any legal problem with putting the FOTDs on a CD: all you
would need is Jim Muth's permission.  If a person who gets the disc
doesn't already have fractint (very likely they will) then they can just
download it.  You can get it lots of places, and I would think that
anyone who was that interested would know how to find it.
<br>     FWIW.
<p>
Mike Hughes
<br>
<p>[e-mail] wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>"Amendments" indicated in Italics in Para #1:
<p>[e-mail] wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Again, will <i>one of the stealth</i> <b><u>ATTORNEY<i>s</i></u></b><i>kindly<b>
</b>present him/herself, privately, to one of the Principals [JAM, PNL,Tim,
Scott, et al] and provide a little <u>pro bono</u> assistance here <b>????</b></i>
<p>There's really no need to speculate; merely to examine the Stone Soup
documentation, and any written agreements between/among the other Parties
involved. This is straightforward Contract and Intellectual Property law,
interpretable by <u>any</u> Legal <u>generalist</u>
<p>All this falls within the purview of established Contract Law, and its
subset Intellectual Property law, and could be resolved (at <b>no charge</b>,
of course) by <b>any</b> attorney Board-certified to practice law in any
of the 50 states.
<p>Freed
<p>Tim Wegner wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Morgan wrote:
<p>> I do recall talk some time past about writing something more
<br>> comprehensive and solid, however - possibly along the lines of the
> Mozilla Public or Perl
<br>Artistic licenses.
<p>I would dearly love to change the license. But it is very hard to do.
We'd have to contact all sorts
<br>of people we haven't heard from in ten years.
<p>While I doubt any past developers would object, my experience is that
one should be careful in
<br>these matters.
<p>We could do a substantial rewrite and make the license GPL or one of
the other licenses. There
<br>is no real need that I can see to change the license for the DOS version
which is at the end of
<br>life. A future version (new platform) should have a new license.
<p>At the present time (with the present license) permission should be
gotten from us to put fractint
<br>on a CD. If we GPL'd fractint, this would become unnecessary. As I
said in another message,
<br>these days we have little reason to refuse such a request.
<p>Tim
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Subject: Re: (fractint) Amendment to: Re: A CD of Jim's FotD's, PARS &
Date: 03 Sep 2001 21:59:35 -0500

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Mike,
<p>Granted all involved are reasonable people and the even that the Stone
Soup-associated language quoted by Tim or one of the other guys yesterday
is about as mild as it gets, I still think (based on having done legal
consulting for ~25yrs) that the several concerns expressed by Web/Fractal/FotD/Fractint-meisters
over the last few days are indeed well-founded, and really do deserve review
by one of the stealth attorneys out there.
<p>While none of the issues, IMHO, rises to the level of requiring an Alan
Dershowitz, they nevertheless deserve consideration, and probably some
sort of language to protect the meisters by clarifying that none of Stone
Soup's - or anyone else's - toes have been, or are intended to be - stepped
on.
<p>Stone Soup-associated language quoted by Tim or one of the other guys
the other day creates a Contractual relationship between all users and
SSG - again, an <b>extremely</b> mild, open, and reasonable one, but present
nonetheless.
<p>Hey, why do you think God created attorneys? To needlessly complicate
interpersonal relationships, do unnecessary work and to overcharge for
it (there - that should get at least one of them to crawl out).
<p>DBF
<p>Michael Hughes wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>
<br>     Folks:
<p>     I normally just lurk on this list, but I think
that you may be missing something in this discussion.  I doubt that
there would be any legal problem with putting the FOTDs on a CD: all you
would need is Jim Muth's permission.  If a person who gets the disc
doesn't already have fractint (very likely they will) then they can just
download it.  You can get it lots of places, and I would think that
anyone who was that interested would know how to find it.
<br>     FWIW.
<p>
Mike Hughes
<br>
<p>[e-mail] wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>"Amendments" indicated in Italics in Para #1:
<p>[e-mail] wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Again, will <i>one of the stealth</i> <b><u>ATTORNEY<i>s</i></u></b><i>kindlypresent
him/herself, privately, to one of the Principals [JAM, PNL,Tim, Scott,
et al] and provide a little <u>pro bono</u> assistance here <b>????</b></i>
<p>There's really no need to speculate; merely to examine the Stone Soup
documentation, and any written agreements between/among the other Parties
involved. This is straightforward Contract and Intellectual Property law,
interpretable by <u>any</u> Legal <u>generalist</u>
<p>All this falls within the purview of established Contract Law, and its
subset Intellectual Property law, and could be resolved (at <b>no charge</b>,
of course) by <b>any</b> attorney Board-certified to practice law in any
of the 50 states.
<p>Freed
<p>Tim Wegner wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Morgan wrote:
<p>> I do recall talk some time past about writing something more
<br>> comprehensive and solid, however - possibly along the lines of the
> Mozilla Public or Perl
<br>Artistic licenses.
<p>I would dearly love to change the license. But it is very hard to do.
We'd have to contact all sorts
<br>of people we haven't heard from in ten years.
<p>While I doubt any past developers would object, my experience is that
one should be careful in
<br>these matters.
<p>We could do a substantial rewrite and make the license GPL or one of
the other licenses. There
<br>is no real need that I can see to change the license for the DOS version
which is at the end of
<br>life. A future version (new platform) should have a new license.
<p>At the present time (with the present license) permission should be
gotten from us to put fractint
<br>on a CD. If we GPL'd fractint, this would become unnecessary. As I
said in another message,
<br>these days we have little reason to refuse such a request.
<p>Tim
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From: kelly christiansen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Amendment to: Re: A CD of Jim's FotD's, PARS &  Commentaries - YES
Date: 03 Sep 2001 20:30:27 -0700 (PDT)

> Hey, why do you think God created attorneys? To >
needlessly complicate
> interpersonal relationships, do unnecessary work and
> to overcharge for
> it (there - that should get at least one of them to
> crawl out).

He didn't. And i'd think that when Tim posted that all
that was needed was for him to be asked, that should
have been the end of the matter. Unless of course it's
a common practice for an attorney to try to force a
case to court when the owner doesn't wish to go?



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Date: 03 Sep 2001 23:34:34 -0500

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Way OT, but:
<p>1) who says God [assuming one exists] is a "he"?
<br>2) how many Breach fo Contract lawsuits have you been invplved in?
<br>3) the <b>point</b> (consistently missed despite the sarcasm so obvious
I thought it would be impossible to miss) is <u>protection of all concerned</u>
(like Tim) - not to:
<br>    a) insult attorneys - or to
<br>    b) live in a dream world.
<p>Because, <b>with virtual 100% certainty</b>, somebody else's atty will
in the future crawl out of the woodwork when least expected and proceed
to:
<p>    "needlessly complicate interpersonal relationships,
do unnecessary work and to overcharge for it....."
<p>DBF
<p>kelly christiansen wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>> Hey, why do you think God created attorneys? To
>
<br>needlessly complicate
<br>> interpersonal relationships, do unnecessary work and
<br>> to overcharge for
<br>> it (there - that should get at least one of them to
<br>> crawl out).
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<br>that was needed was for him to be asked, that should
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Subject: Re: (fractint) Amendment to: Re: A CD of Jim's FotD's, PARS &
Date: 03 Sep 2001 23:40:42 -0500

PS, Yes, it is in fact

"a common practice for an attorney to try to force a case to court when the
owner doesn't wish to go?" - because the alleged "owner" is what is being
disputed.

DBF

kelly christiansen wrote:

> > Hey, why do you think God created attorneys? To >
> needlessly complicate
> > interpersonal relationships, do unnecessary work and
> > to overcharge for
> > it (there - that should get at least one of them to
> > crawl out).
>
> He didn't. And i'd think that when Tim posted that all
> that was needed was for him to be asked, that should
> have been the end of the matter. Unless of course it's
> a common practice for an attorney to try to force a
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From: "David Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD  02-09-01  (Land of Sunflowers [4])
Date: 03 Sep 2001 20:13:28 -1000

Which 3dFX board do you have? The one we have runs
Fractint quite happily at 1024x768 and 1280x1024 ...

David
[e-mail]

On  2 Sep 01 at 23:02, Ken MacLean wrote:

> Paul --
> Is there any way to run fractint on a machine that
> doesn't have a VESA board? My rig has a 3dFX PCI board,
> but I can't seem to run the DOS version of fractint on
> any setting but F3 or SF1, which doesn't generate very
> good resolution. Sincerely, Kenneth MacLean


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Subject: Re: (fractint) Amendment to: Re: A CD of Jim's FotD's, PARS &
Date: 04 Sep 2001 19:54:36 +1200

At 20:30 03/09/2001 -0700, kelly christiansen wrote:
> > Hey, why do you think God created attorneys? To >
>needlessly complicate
> > interpersonal relationships, do unnecessary work and
> > to overcharge for
> > it (there - that should get at least one of them to
> > crawl out).
>
>He didn't. And i'd think that when Tim posted that all
>that was needed was for him to be asked, that should
>have been the end of the matter. Unless of course it's
>a common practice for an attorney to try to force a
>case to court when the owner doesn't wish to go?
>

Oh, for Ralf's sake. Anyone would think that "judgement" is a lost art
among people.

It would be a matter of common courtesy to ask the involved Fractint
authors (for one thing, their names are on the product), if that is
feasible (putting out some sort of notice that past authors are likely to
see?).

A new license for a new ground-up rewrite would in some cases be easier -
once it's determined which bits of the old code are reused in the new and
who wrote them.

Tim's bringing up the subject of a new rewrite does cast light on the
FOTD-with-Fractint CD: if we're going to put Fractint on the CD, shouldn't
we wait until we have a contemporary version of Fractint (with a
contemporary license) to put there?



Morgan L. Owens
"Horsell Common"



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From: "Morgan L. Owens" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re: [philofractal] C-FOTD  03-09-01  (Not the Negative Stem
Date: 04 Sep 2001 19:57:55 +1200

At 11:25 03/09/2001 -0400, [e-mail] wrote:

>... and it will be interesting to see
>whether those intelligent machines ever become intelligent
>enough to develop the need for a belief in an electronic God.

"And the iron shall lay down with the lamp."
                                Kernel 2.1.19
                     Sony Revised Version 2.1

Morgan L. Owens
"My colleague's laptop has Stephen Hawking's accent."


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From: "JackOTradez" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Amendment to: Re: A CD of Jim's FotD's, PARS &   Commentaries - YES
Date: 04 Sep 2001 08:24:59 -0400

Folks, maybe I am missing something, but where is the problem putting
Fractint on a CD ? I have a dozen or so fractal CD's I've picked up over the
years at computer shows. Many of them have Fractint along with other
programs as well as fractal *.GIF files and videos.
(I always assumed they were legal, perhaps not then?)

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 3:54 AM
Commentaries - YES


> At 20:30 03/09/2001 -0700, kelly christiansen wrote:
> > > Hey, why do you think God created attorneys? To >
> >needlessly complicate
> > > interpersonal relationships, do unnecessary work and
> > > to overcharge for
> > > it (there - that should get at least one of them to
> > > crawl out).
> >
> >He didn't. And i'd think that when Tim posted that all
> >that was needed was for him to be asked, that should
> >have been the end of the matter. Unless of course it's
> >a common practice for an attorney to try to force a
> >case to court when the owner doesn't wish to go?
> >
>
> Oh, for Ralf's sake. Anyone would think that "judgement" is a lost art
> among people.
>
> It would be a matter of common courtesy to ask the involved Fractint
> authors (for one thing, their names are on the product), if that is
> feasible (putting out some sort of notice that past authors are likely to
> see?).
>
> A new license for a new ground-up rewrite would in some cases be easier -
> once it's determined which bits of the old code are reused in the new and
> who wrote them.
>
> Tim's bringing up the subject of a new rewrite does cast light on the
> FOTD-with-Fractint CD: if we're going to put Fractint on the CD, shouldn't
> we wait until we have a contemporary version of Fractint (with a
> contemporary license) to put there?
>
>
>
> Morgan L. Owens
> "Horsell Common"
>
>
>
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (fractint) C-FOTD  04-09-01  (Not in the M-set [7])
Date: 04 Sep 2001 10:53:50 EDT


Classic FOTD -- September 04, 2001 (Rating 7)

Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts:

Though it appears to be a normal Mandelbrot midget, and the
formula draws the classic M-set, today's scene does not lie in
the Mandelbrot set, which is why I named the picture "Not in the
M-Set".  The exact location is indeed on the northeast shore of
the north bud, and nothing unusual is apparent in the image's
appearance, but look closely at the parameters.  Today's image
is not a part of the true M-set.  It is part of a non-critical
perturbed Mandelbrot slice of the 4-D Julibrot.

To create today's image I first found a Mandelbrot midget.  Then
I noted the center coordinates of the midget and entered this
value as the C-value of a Julia set.  The Julia set appears as a
symmetrical filament with round holes scattered along it.  The
hole at the center of the J-set represents, in fact is actually
a slice in a different direction through the Mandelbrot midget
of the true M-set.  The Z-coordinates of the other holes in the
Julia set represent the Z-values of the various perturbed M-sets
in which the same midget appears.  The larger the hole in the
Julia set, the more perfect the corresponding Mandelbrot midget.

To set the Z-value of today's image, I found and noted the
Z-coordinates of the largest hole other than the one at the
center of the Julia set, then applied this value to the true
image I had already generated, and recalculated it.  Though the
resulting image is perturbed, I noticed no difference from the
original critical image.  I finally accepted the perturbed
version as a curiosity.

I doubt that I have previously posted today's MandelbrotVE
(Variable Escape) formula, which adds the ability to change the
escape radius to the ability to set any point in the 4-D
Julibrot to the center of the screen.  The escape radius of
today's image has been set to a point very near where the scene
is totally obliterated.  Normally, when all Z exponents of a
formula are positive, changing the escape radius has very little
effect on the appearance of a fractal image, but in the range
right before the entire scene goes blank, the escape radius
becomes the most important parameter.

The unusual coloring effect was further enhanced by setting the
outside to <fmod> instead of the normal <iter>.  Yes, I realize
that this is heresy, but sometimes I enjoy being a heretic.
Despite the heresy, I rated the image at an above-average 7.

A good feature of the image is its speed.  The entire scene
renders in under two minutes -- as fast as it can be picked up
from Paul's web site at:

          <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html>

or Scott's site at:

          <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html>

The fractal weather today (Sep 3) was near ideal, with only a
few too many clouds spoiling the absolute perfection of a
temperature of 79F 26C.  The cats, who spent most of the day
sleeping on the porch, were unconcerned with the weather.

But I am concerned -- about the work that needs to be done.  As
always, the best way to change waiting work into finished work
is to get started.  So that's what I'm going to do.  Until next
FOTD, take care, and it looks as though there will be a FOTD-CD,
but quite a bit of work needs to be done before it will be
ready.


Jim Muth
[e-mail]


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z=p1, c=pixel+p2,
b=sqr(real(p3)):
z=sqr(z)+c,
|z| <= b
}

END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE==================================

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From: Ken MacLean <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD  02-09-01  (Land of Sunflowers [4])
Date: 04 Sep 2001 14:51:18 -0400

David -- you are just the guy I'm looking for!
I have a 3dfx Voodoo 3000, bought in summer of 2000, on the CD it says
Version 1.4, for Win95, Win98, and NT4. I am running NT4. Paul says that
many machines have had problems running fractint in DOS with NT4. If you
would be so kind as to tell me how you set yours up and what OS you are
running, I'd appreciate it. Any other helpful hints would be welcome.
Probably it's NT4 that's the culprit.
-Ken

David Jones wrote:

> Which 3dFX board do you have? The one we have runs
> Fractint quite happily at 1024x768 and 1280x1024 ...
>
> David
> [e-mail]
>
> On  2 Sep 01 at 23:02, Ken MacLean wrote:
>
> > Paul --
> > Is there any way to run fractint on a machine that
> > doesn't have a VESA board? My rig has a 3dFX PCI board,
> > but I can't seem to run the DOS version of fractint on
> > any setting but F3 or SF1, which doesn't generate very
> > good resolution. Sincerely, Kenneth MacLean
>
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From: Ken MacLean <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Query to List
Date: 04 Sep 2001 16:01:39 -0400

I am running NT4.0 with a 3dfx Voodoo 3000 PCI graphics board, but I
cannot get fractint (version 20.0) to run on any video modes other than
F3 and SF1, which give unacceptably poor resolution. If anyone out there
has gotten fractint to run with NT4 with ANY PCI graphics board, I would
really appreciate if you would tell me how you did it!
Sincerely,
Kenneth MacLean


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Subject: Re: (fractint) Query to List
Date: 04 Sep 2001 16:24:16 -0400



Ken MacLean wrote:

>>>I am running NT4.0 with a 3dfx Voodoo 3000 PCI graphics board, but I
cannot get fractint (version 20.0) to run on any video modes other than
F3 and SF1, which give unacceptably poor resolution. If anyone out there
has gotten fractint to run with NT4 with ANY PCI graphics board, I would
really appreciate if you would tell me how you did it!<<<

Ken,

You may be out of luck. There is a knowledge base article on microsoft.com that
specifically says NT4 does not support VESA and will not run any DOS program in
other than standard VGA (320x200x256 or 640x480x16). I have a Matrox Millenium
PCI card that I run under NT4 and, like you, SF1 (360x480x256) is the best I can
do with Fractint. There have been reports in the past that some users have run
Fractint at higher resolutions but this is the exception, not the rule.

By the way, does anyone know if Fractint will run in VESA video modes under
Windows XP? XP supposedly has various 'compatibility modes'.

Nick



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From: Ken MacLean <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Query to List
Date: 04 Sep 2001 19:43:02 -0400

Nick -- thanks very much for that -- it's just what Paul said -- I'm SOL in NT4. Oh
well. I need a new motherboard anyway, I'll just throw one in and upgrade (or
downgrade!) to another version of windoze.
-- Ken

[e-mail] wrote:

> Ken MacLean wrote:
>
> >>>I am running NT4.0 with a 3dfx Voodoo 3000 PCI graphics board, but I
> cannot get fractint (version 20.0) to run on any video modes other than
> F3 and SF1, which give unacceptably poor resolution. If anyone out there
> has gotten fractint to run with NT4 with ANY PCI graphics board, I would
> really appreciate if you would tell me how you did it!<<<
>
> Ken,
>
> You may be out of luck. There is a knowledge base article on microsoft.com that
> specifically says NT4 does not support VESA and will not run any DOS program in
> other than standard VGA (320x200x256 or 640x480x16). I have a Matrox Millenium
> PCI card that I run under NT4 and, like you, SF1 (360x480x256) is the best I can
> do with Fractint. There have been reports in the past that some users have run
> Fractint at higher resolutions but this is the exception, not the rule.
>
> By the way, does anyone know if Fractint will run in VESA video modes under
> Windows XP? XP supposedly has various 'compatibility modes'.
>
> Nick
>
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Subject: (fractint) Video Mode
Date: 04 Sep 2001 19:09:48 -0500

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From: "Multiple Bogeys" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Warning re: Windoze XP
Date: 04 Sep 2001 23:27:23 -0400


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If you use XP on a machine that connects to the net, use the free ZoneAla=
rm at http://www.zonelabs.com or you could have problems. Keep the instal=
ler for ZoneAlarm handy as well. The current version (2.6, last I checked=
) has an obscure bug that can cause it to unexpectedly stop functioning f=
or no apparent reason. A reboot won't fix it, and a normal uninstall and =
reinstall won't either, because of a parallel bug in the uninstaller that=
 causes it to fail to remove some files. Uninstall, delete an Internet Lo=
gs directory, and reinstall and it works again...until the bug strikes ag=
ain, that is. Wash, rinse, and repeat. (The procedure is in a FAQ on thei=
r site in some more detail. It is, IMO, a mark of a lazy programmer to le=
ave a pair of bugs like that in a release product and then add a workarou=
nd to a FAQ instead of merely fixing them. The uninstaller bug is particu=
larly heinous and moreover, easily fixed, but the response is to add a FA=
Q entry instead. Shame on them. The software functions excellently otherw=
ise, which makes these bugs particularly stand out. And it's not a beta; =
with betas that kind of thing would be acceptable, if not expected.)

Why ZoneAlarm a net-connected XP box? Because if you don't, your machine =
can be hijacked to participate in unblockable and untraceable DDoS attack=
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"http://www.zonelabs.com">http://www.zonelabs.com</A> or you could have p=
roblems. Keep the installer for ZoneAlarm handy as well. The current vers=
ion (2.6, last I checked) has an obscure bug that can cause it to unexpec=
tedly stop functioning for no apparent reason. A reboot won't fix it, and=
 a normal uninstall and reinstall won't either, because of a parallel bug=
 in the uninstaller that causes it to fail to remove some files. Uninstal=
l, delete an Internet Logs directory, and reinstall and it works again...=
until the bug strikes again, that is. Wash, rinse, and repeat. (The =
procedure is in a FAQ on their site in some more detail. It is, IMO, a ma=
rk of a lazy programmer to leave a pair of bugs like that in a release pr=
oduct and then add a workaround to a FAQ instead of merely fixing them. T=
he uninstaller bug is particularly heinous and moreover, easily fixed, bu=
t the response is to add a FAQ entry instead. Shame on them. The software=
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nd out. And it's not a beta; with betas that kind of thing would be accep=
table, if not expected.)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Why ZoneAlarm a net=
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From: "Thierry B." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Warning re: Windoze XP
Date: 05 Sep 2001 09:00:29 +0200


    Where is the relation with fractals ?

--
Thierry, 42++

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From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Warning re: Windoze XP
Date: 05 Sep 2001 02:53:54 -0500

Multiple Bogeys wrote:
>
> It is, IMO, a mark of a lazy programmer to
> leave a pair of bugs like that in a release
> product...

Kind of like calling the kettle black is it not, since you have already
stated that your own fractal generator is hard coded to the point that
one would need to modify the source and recompile to get different
fractals.

>
> The software functions excellently otherwise,
> which makes these bugs particularly stand out.
> And it's not a beta; with betas that kind of
> thing would be acceptable, if not expected.

But it is the FREEWARE version, so you get what you pay for.  Now the
ZoneAlarm Pro version seems to run quite well without any bugs
whatsoever (at least the v2.6.214 one).

>
> Why ZoneAlarm a net-connected XP box?

Better yet, why post this topic to a FractInt and Fractals Discussion
List??

P.N.L.
http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go

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From: "David Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Video Mode
Date: 04 Sep 2001 22:37:06 -1000

IIRC, the standard VESA 1024x768x256 worked fine with our
Diamond Stealth 64s. It's one of the options that comes
with Fractint.

David
[e-mail]

On  4 Sep 01 at 19:09, Patrick Davis wrote:

> I was wondering if any one has made or has a video mode
> for DiamondStealth 64 V mode.  I know there is one with
> it but the resolution is to big.  I need one for
> 1024x768.  If this is possible please let me know.  I
> don't have this video card but it works the best with my
> card.  I have a S3 Savage/IX Display Driver.


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Subject: (fractint) FOTD  05-09-01  (Star Pool [7])
Date: 05 Sep 2001 11:00:45 EDT


FOTD -- September 05, 2001 (Rating 7)

Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts:

Starting with today's FOTD, I will be dropping the word
'classic'.  I originally added the word to distinguish the
purist type of fractals I discover, which emphasize the things
that numbers do, from the type of fractals intentionally created
to display the artistic skill of the creator.  But though the
name changes, the content will remain the same.

I had a bit of a problem coming up with a name for today's
image.  After a bit of pondering however, I stepped back from
the screen and noticed the near perfect, color-created star
surrounding the midget.  Then, reseating myself before the
screen, I noticed the eight bottomless pools, which even at a
maxiter of 12000 are still open at the center.  Combining the
words, I found the title "Star Pool".  Whether the image rating
of 7 is justified is up to the viewer to decide.

The generating formula, 1.01(Z)+1.01(1/Z)+(1/C), is deceptively
simple.  The parent fractal appears as a grossly distorted
Mandeloid, which is all main-bay.  The buds have shrunk almost
to the point of invisibility, but the buds are there, lining the
shoreline in countless numbers.  Today's scene lies on the north
shore of the main bay, in the star area of a tiny bud radical.

The render time from the parameter file is almost an hour on my
machine.  The download, which can be found at:

          <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html>

and at:

          <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html>

is far faster.  But before rushing to the web sites, give their
owners a chance to render and post the image.

The fractal weather today here at FC was partly cloudy and a bit
too warm for comfort.  The fractal cats found the temperature of
87F 30.5C good for nothing but sleeping, which is just about all
they do anyway.  At nightfall a short but heavy shower passed
over, ending the day with a splash.

As for me, it's time to start the day's work, and then start
organizing the presently scattered material for the upcoming
FOTD-CD.  It will be a trying task, but I'll tackle it with
enthusiasm, and ultimate success is assured.  Until tomorrow
comes, take care, and fractals are where it's at.


Jim Muth
[e-mail]


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From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Video Mode
Date: 05 Sep 2001 12:25:13 -0500

Patrick Davis wrote:
>
> I was wondering if any one has made or has
> a video mode for DiamondStealth 64 V mode.
> ....  I need one for 1024x768.

On another machine I used to have, it had a DiamondStealth 64, and
FractInt worked quite fine with the standard "SF" modes.

If you are experiencing problems, have you tried running the MAKEFCFG
program to generate a FRACTINT.CFG file??  There is a small text file
called MAKEFCFG as well, which has some info about it.

Sincerely,
P.N.L.
http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go

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From:     John Lewis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Warning re: Windoze XP
Date: 05 Sep 2001 07:26:05 +0100

On Tue, 4 Sep 2001 23:27:23 -0400, Multiple Bogeys wrote:

>If you use XP on a machine that connects to the net, use the=
 free
ZoneAlarm at http://www.zonelabs.com or you could have problems.=
 Keep
the installer for ZoneAlarm handy as well. The current version
(2.6, last I checked) has an obscure bug that can cause it to
unexpectedly stop functioning for no apparent reason. A reboot=
 won't
fix it, and a normal uninstall and reinstall won't either,=
 because of
a parallel bug in the uninstaller that causes it to fail to=
 remove
some files. Uninstall, delete an Internet Logs directory, and
reinstall and it works again... until the bug strikes again, that=
 is.
Wash, rinse, and repeat. (The procedure is in a FAQ on their site=
 in
some more detail. It is, IMO, a mark of a lazy programmer to=
 leave a
pair of bugs like that in a release product and then add a=
 workaround
to a FAQ instead of merely fixing them. The uninstaller bug is
particularly heinous and moreover, easily fixed, but the response=
 is
to add a FAQ entry instead. Shame on them. The software functions=

excellently otherwise, which makes these bugs particularly stand=
 out.
And it's not a beta; with betas that kind of thing would be
acceptable, if not expected.)

>Why ZoneAlarm a net-connected XP box? Because if you don't, your=

machine can be hijacked to participate in unblockable and=
 untraceable
DDoS attacks on prominent Web sites or any other net- connected
machine someone doesn't like. Read all about it at=
 http://www.grc.com
and don't say I didn't warn you.


So that is the problem, thanks. I had a problem with the latest
version of ZA under WMe.  I went back to the previous version=
 which
had never given me a problem.

John
-- John Lewis, [e-mail] on 09/05/2001


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From: Programmer Dude <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD  03-09-01  (Not the Negative Stem [5])
Date: 05 Sep 2001 14:28:02 -0500

[e-mail] wrote:

> On a philosophical note, I heard today that Steven Hawking, who
> is strong on AI, has warned that man must find a way to improve
> his DNA to give him greater intelligence.  According to Hawking,
> we must increase our intelligence to avoid the danger that
> machines with superior intelligence will take over the world.

For my money, Hawking is one of the great genii of the world....in his
own field.  Outside of it, he oft seems somewhat of a loon....

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From: "Patrick Davis" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Video Mode
Date: 05 Sep 2001 18:34:28 -0500

I tried that but the message that pops up that it fails.  I think that it
can't read the video bios.  I am running this on a Win2k Toshiba Laptop.

Pat
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 12:25 PM


> Patrick Davis wrote:
> >
> > I was wondering if any one has made or has
> > a video mode for DiamondStealth 64 V mode.
> > ....  I need one for 1024x768.
>
> On another machine I used to have, it had a DiamondStealth 64, and
> FractInt worked quite fine with the standard "SF" modes.
>
> If you are experiencing problems, have you tried running the MAKEFCFG
> program to generate a FRACTINT.CFG file??  There is a small text file
> called MAKEFCFG as well, which has some info about it.
>
> Sincerely,
> P.N.L.
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go
>
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From: Mark Christenson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD  03-09-01  (Not the Negative Stem [5])
Date: 05 Sep 2001 18:51:46 -0700

At 02:28 PM 9/5/01 -0500, Programmer Dude wrote:
>[e-mail] wrote:
>
>> On a philosophical note, I heard today that Steven Hawking, who
>> is strong on AI, has warned that man must find a way to improve
>> his DNA to give him greater intelligence.  According to Hawking,
>> we must increase our intelligence to avoid the danger that
>> machines with superior intelligence will take over the world.
>
>For my money, Hawking is one of the great genii of the world....in his
>own field.  Outside of it, he oft seems somewhat of a loon....

Oh, I don't know.

First, as a physics BS (I know, a BS in *that* field is almost
useless), admittedly old school (class of ' 79), I find some of
his notions within his field to be somewhat loony.

On the other hand, *this* concern seems to me rather reasonable.
Not to say that life would necessarily imitate art in this case,
but there are many writers who have explored this very scenario
at various scales.  Classic examples include 2001, Colossus,
and Terminator.

In the event that we humans succeed in creating truly conscious
computers/robots/androids/whatever, that is to say devices that
are self-aware, capable of independant and creative thinking, and
able to act on their ideas, not even Asimov's robotic laws could
save us.  We would be as helpless against a brilliantly organized
robotic assault as our evolutionary cousins, including Neandertal,
were against the relentless advance of Homo Sapiens and our
ancestors.

As a really obscure aside, I should mention a short-lived TV Sci-Fi
series that was based on such a scenario.  Cleopatra 2525 was
based on the premise that in the early 21st Century flying robots
known as Baileys came to Earth and laid such an overwhelming
assault on its dominant species that all human life was driven
underground.  In 2525, the timeframe of the series, the puzzle
comes together.  It turns out that the Baileys were of terrestrial,
not alien, origin.  Their creator, a scientist named Bailey, was an
environmental extremist who decided that the only way to save
Earth was to remove humans from its surface.  His novel solution
both saved the environment and permitted the human race to
continue.


Computers control our commerce, communication, transportation,
energy generation and distribution, medical equipment...

... and, of course, our fractals ;-)


Aloha,
        Bud


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From: "Multiple Bogeys" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Warning re: Windoze XP
Date: 06 Sep 2001 00:10:36 -0400


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> Kind of like calling the kettle black is it not, since you have already
> stated that your own fractal generator is hard coded to the point that
> one would need to modify the source and recompile to get different
> fractals.

Wrong. I haven't released my fractal generator to the public. It's not ev=
en an alpha, let alone a beta or a "finished and polished" program.

> But it is the FREEWARE version...

So? That cuts no ice with me. If you do a job, I think you should do the =
best job you can.

[ZoneAlarm Pro]

The reason for paying for ZoneAlarm Pro should be because of features it =
adds, not bugs it fixes. Besides, if you'd actually read their FAQ, you'd=
 have found that it implies the same bugs are present in ZoneAlarm Pro.

Similarly, you should not have to pay for bug fix patches or upgrades to =
commercial software, only for feature-adding ones, and bundling a bug fix=
 with a new feature to force people to pay for the new feature even if th=
ey only want to fix the bug is wrong IMO.

> Better yet, why post this topic to a FractInt and Fractals Discussion
> List??

Because there was a discussion of XP and talk of people upgrading NT 4.x =
to XP in the hopes of running Fractint better. I wanted anyone here conte=
mplating doing anything of the sort to be aware of a possible "gotcha" in=
 performing that upgrade. (If it really constitutes an "upgrade".)

Got a problem with that?<br clear=3Dall><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN=
 Explorer at <a href=3D'http://go.msn.com/bql/hmtag_itl_EN.asp'>http://ex=
plorer.msn.com</a><br>

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ated that your own fractal generator is hard coded to the point that<BR>&=
gt; one would need to modify the source and recompile to get different<BR=
>> fractals.<BR></DIV> <DIV>Wrong. I haven't released my fractal gener=
ator to the public. It's not even an alpha, let alone a beta or a "finish=
ed and polished" program.</DIV> <DIV><BR>> But it is the FREEWARE vers=
ion...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So? That cuts no ice with me. If you =
do a job, I think you should do the best job you can.</DIV> <DIV> </=
DIV> <DIV>[ZoneAlarm Pro]</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The reason for pay=
ing for ZoneAlarm Pro should be because of features it adds, not bugs it =
fixes. Besides, if you'd actually read their FAQ, you'd have found that i=
t implies the same bugs are present in ZoneAlarm Pro.</DIV> <DIV> </=
DIV> <DIV>Similarly, you should not have to pay for bug fix patches or up=
grades to commercial software, only for feature-adding ones, and bundling=
 a bug fix with a new feature to force people to pay for the new feature =
even if they only want to fix the bug is wrong IMO.</DIV> <DIV><BR>> B=
etter yet, why post this topic to a FractInt and Fractals Discussion<BR>&=
gt; List??<BR></DIV> <DIV>Because there was a discussion of XP and talk o=
f people upgrading NT 4.x to XP in the hopes of running Fractint better. =
I wanted anyone here contemplating doing anything of the sort to be aware=
 of a possible "gotcha" in performing that upgrade. (If it really constit=
utes an "upgrade".)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Got a problem with that?=
</DIV></BODY></HTML><DIV><BR><br clear=3Dall><hr>Get your FREE download o=
f MSN Explorer at <a href=3D'http://go.msn.com/bql/hmtag_itl_EN.asp'>http=
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Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 03-09-01 (Not the Negative Stem [5])
Date: 06 Sep 2001 00:16:13 -0400


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> On the other hand, *this* concern seems to me rather reasonable.
> Not to say that life would necessarily imitate art in this case,
> but there are many writers who have explored this very scenario
> at various scales.  Classic examples include 2001, Colossus,
> and Terminator.

Seen The Matrix yet? :)<br clear=3Dall><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN =
Explorer at <a href=3D'http://go.msn.com/bql/hmtag_itl_EN.asp'>http://exp=
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her hand, *this* concern seems to me rather reasonable.<BR>> Not to sa=
y that life would necessarily imitate art in this case,<BR>> but there=
 are many writers who have explored this very scenario<BR>> at various=
 scales.  Classic examples include 2001, Colossus,<BR>> and Termi=
nator.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Seen The Matrix yet? :)<BR></DIV></BO=
DY></HTML><DIV><BR><br clear=3Dall><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Expl=
orer at <a href=3D'http://go.msn.com/bql/hmtag_itl_EN.asp'>http://explore=
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Subject: (fractint) Re: C-FOTD  03-09-01  (Not the Negative Stem [5])
Date: 06 Sep 2001 00:55:18 EDT


Check the philofractal list for my reply.

Jim M.

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From: Ken MacLean <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD  03-09-01  (Not the Negative Stem [5])
Date: 06 Sep 2001 14:40:16 -0400

Programmer Dude:
re intelligent robots, AI, and their takeover of humans,  have you read
Greg Benford's (physicist) series on that subject? A great read, the first
book is, I believe, 'Great Sky River.' Benford really makes you think about
the consequences of intelligent non-organic life with complete free will.
-- Ken

Mark Christenson wrote:

> At 02:28 PM 9/5/01 -0500, Programmer Dude wrote:
> >[e-mail] wrote:
> >
> >> On a philosophical note, I heard today that Steven Hawking, who
> >> is strong on AI, has warned that man must find a way to improve
> >> his DNA to give him greater intelligence.  According to Hawking,
> >> we must increase our intelligence to avoid the danger that
> >> machines with superior intelligence will take over the world.
> >
> >For my money, Hawking is one of the great genii of the world....in his
> >own field.  Outside of it, he oft seems somewhat of a loon....
>
> Oh, I don't know.
>
> First, as a physics BS (I know, a BS in *that* field is almost
> useless), admittedly old school (class of ' 79), I find some of
> his notions within his field to be somewhat loony.
>
> On the other hand, *this* concern seems to me rather reasonable.
> Not to say that life would necessarily imitate art in this case,
> but there are many writers who have explored this very scenario
> at various scales.  Classic examples include 2001, Colossus,
> and Terminator.
>
> In the event that we humans succeed in creating truly conscious
> computers/robots/androids/whatever, that is to say devices that
> are self-aware, capable of independant and creative thinking, and
> able to act on their ideas, not even Asimov's robotic laws could
> save us.  We would be as helpless against a brilliantly organized
> robotic assault as our evolutionary cousins, including Neandertal,
> were against the relentless advance of Homo Sapiens and our
> ancestors.
>
> As a really obscure aside, I should mention a short-lived TV Sci-Fi
> series that was based on such a scenario.  Cleopatra 2525 was
> based on the premise that in the early 21st Century flying robots
> known as Baileys came to Earth and laid such an overwhelming
> assault on its dominant species that all human life was driven
> underground.  In 2525, the timeframe of the series, the puzzle
> comes together.  It turns out that the Baileys were of terrestrial,
> not alien, origin.  Their creator, a scientist named Bailey, was an
> environmental extremist who decided that the only way to save
> Earth was to remove humans from its surface.  His novel solution
> both saved the environment and permitted the human race to
> continue.
>
> Computers control our commerce, communication, transportation,
> energy generation and distribution, medical equipment...
>
> ... and, of course, our fractals ;-)
>
> Aloha,
>         Bud
>
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Subject: (fractint) FOTD  06-09-01  (Bits and Pieces [6])
Date: 06 Sep 2001 14:44:03 EDT


Classic FOTD -- September 06, 2001 (Rating 6)

Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts:

My FOTD discussions will be shorter than usual while I am
locating and assembling the early FOTD discussions for the
upcoming FOTD-CD.  These discussions, which were posted to the
Fractal-Art list, are scattered on many disks, where they are
mixed in with my other e-mail of the time.  I'll start with a
message I posted April 1, 1997.  Though there was no FOTD before
April 13 of that year, I was quite active with other fractal-
related letters on the Fractal-Art list for a couple weeks
before starting the FOTD.  If all goes well, which it probably
will not, the CD could be ready by the end of this year.

Today's image pictures one of those evaporated midgets that
isn't there.  But even though the midget isn't there, its ghost
remains, haunting the area the midget once inhabited, and can be
revealed by setting the inside to something like <bof61>.  This
is exactly what I did in today's FOTD.

A midget evaporates when the generating formula contains a
negative exponent of Z, and the escape radius is raised to an
extreme value.  In today's image for example, the escape radius
is 10^100.

I named the image "Bits and Pieces" when I saw its fragmented
nature.  Then I rated it a 6 because IMO it is only a little
above average.

The image is a reasonably fast one, rendering from the parameter
file in a bit under 5 minutes on my aging Pentium 200mhz
machine.  It will also be available on the internet within the
hour at:

          <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html>

and:

          <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html>

The fractal weather today was absolutely perfect, with
brilliantly sunny skies, dry air, and a temperature of 79F 26C.
The fractal cats, who give no thought to fractals, enjoyed the
perfect day.  In the afternoon, a squirrel ventured into the
yard.  Thomas twitched his tail at the intruder, but was having
too good a rest to get up and go after it.  Tippy was totally
out of the world, somewhere in dreamland.

Well, it's once again time to get busy with other matters.
Until next time, take care, and don't be artificially
intelligent.


Jim Muth
[e-mail]


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From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re:  FOTD  06-09-01  (Bits and Pieces [6])
Date: 06 Sep 2001 15:42:27 -0500

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> Classic FOTD -- September 06, 2001 (Rating 6)
>
> I named the image "Bits and Pieces"....
>

You may wish to rename today's image and PAR, since there was one
earlier this year with exactly the same name, using the same formula:

      Classic FOTD -- March 25, 2001 (Rating 3)

     "I went to the parent fractal of a recent FOTD,
      named it "Bits and Pieces", and anointed it FOTD
      for March 25."

Later,
P.N.L.
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (fractint) Re: FOTD  06-09-01  (Bits and Pieces II [6])
Date: 06 Sep 2001 19:11:18 EDT


>You may wish to rename today's image and PAR, since there was one
>earlier this year with exactly the same name, using the same formula:

Done.  The name is now "Bits and Pieces II"

Jim M.

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From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re:  FOTD  06-09-01  (Bits and Pieces [6])
Date: 06 Sep 2001 18:44:16 -0500

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> > You may wish to rename today's image and PAR,
> > since there was one earlier this year with
> > exactly the same name, using the same formula:
>
> Done.  The name is now "Bits and Pieces II"
>

I guess I should have been more detailed...  You have the following PARs
with the same name:

    April 06, 1999
    January 05, 2000
    January 18, 2000
    March 25, 2001
    September 06, 2001

Sincerely,
P.N.L.
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From: Bob Margolis <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Search Engines & Copyrighted Art
Date: 06 Sep 2001 18:58:37 -0500

Do Search Engines Expedite the Theft of Digital Images?

A report in Thursday's Circuits section from The New York
Times.

The article is in both the print and Web editions of the NYT.

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/06/technology/circuits/06IMAG.html

(The article in the print edition is on page one of the
Circuits section and is headlined, "Is Theft in the Eye of the
Beholder?: Some Artists Argue That Search Engines Are
Capturing Their Images for Others to Steal.")

This article deals with the possibility that search engines
such as Google and AltaVista may be promoting copyright
infringement by allowing people using their search engines
to download copyright protected artwork.

You will have to subscribe to the NYT online edition to read
this article.

Cheers,

Bob
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  Inside of a dog it's too dark to read.
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (fractint) Re:  FOTD  06-09-01  (Bits and Pieces [6])
Date: 06 Sep 2001 22:22:36 EDT


Paul Lee wrote:

>I guess I should have been more detailed...  You have the following PARs
>with the same name:

>    April 06, 1999
>    January 05, 2000
>    January 18, 2000
>    March 25, 2001
>    September 06, 2001

Four duplications...  It goes to show that the FOTD is a casual
endeavor, and there's a lot of work to be done before any CD will
be ready to distribute.  So I'll change Jan. 05, 2000 to "Bits and
Pieces II", and so on, up to Sep. 06, 2001, which will now be
"Bits and Pieces V".  There are likely other duplications of FOTD
names.  I'll handle any other duplications the same way.  And I'll
have to make an index to prevent future duplications.

The FOTD for Sep. 07 (Olive Oil) will appear in 12 hours.

Jim M.

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From: "David Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD  03-09-01  (Not the Negative Stem [5])
Date: 06 Sep 2001 18:59:56 -1000

Read "Hyperion," and "Fall of Hyperion" by Dan Simmons.
Has a novel idea of why the AI's might keep humans
around.

Then, going farther back, Norman Spinrad's book "The
Solarians" presents a humanity that doesn't use computers
for anything, because it has learned to use its brains to
full capacity.

Unfortunately, no fractals in either book. 8-(

David
[e-mail]

On  6 Sep 01 at 14:40, Ken MacLean wrote:

> Programmer Dude:
> re intelligent robots, AI, and their takeover of humans,
>  have you read Greg Benford's (physicist) series on that
> subject? A great read, the first book is, I believe,
> 'Great Sky River.' Benford really makes you think about
> the consequences of intelligent non-organic life with
> complete free will. -- Ken
>
> Mark Christenson wrote:
>
> > At 02:28 PM 9/5/01 -0500, Programmer Dude wrote:
> > >[e-mail] wrote:
> > >
> > >> On a philosophical note, I heard today that Steven Hawking, who
> > >> is strong on AI, has warned that man must find a way to improve
> > >> his DNA to give him greater intelligence.  According to Hawking,
> > >> we must increase our intelligence to avoid the danger that
> > >> machines with superior intelligence will take over the world.
> > >
> > >For my money, Hawking is one of the great genii of the world....in his
> > >own field.  Outside of it, he oft seems somewhat of a loon....
> >
> > Oh, I don't know.
> >
> > First, as a physics BS (I know, a BS in *that* field is almost
> > useless), admittedly old school (class of ' 79), I find some of
> > his notions within his field to be somewhat loony.
> >
> > On the other hand, *this* concern seems to me rather reasonable.
> > Not to say that life would necessarily imitate art in this case,
> > but there are many writers who have explored this very scenario
> > at various scales.  Classic examples include 2001, Colossus,
> > and Terminator.
> >
> > In the event that we humans succeed in creating truly conscious
> > computers/robots/androids/whatever, that is to say devices that
> > are self-aware, capable of independant and creative thinking, and
> > able to act on their ideas, not even Asimov's robotic laws could
> > save us.  We would be as helpless against a brilliantly organized
> > robotic assault as our evolutionary cousins, including Neandertal,
> > were against the relentless advance of Homo Sapiens and our
> > ancestors.
> >
> > As a really obscure aside, I should mention a short-lived TV Sci-Fi
> > series that was based on such a scenario.  Cleopatra 2525 was
> > based on the premise that in the early 21st Century flying robots
> > known as Baileys came to Earth and laid such an overwhelming
> > assault on its dominant species that all human life was driven
> > underground.  In 2525, the timeframe of the series, the puzzle
> > comes together.  It turns out that the Baileys were of terrestrial,
> > not alien, origin.  Their creator, a scientist named Bailey, was an
> > environmental extremist who decided that the only way to save
> > Earth was to remove humans from its surface.  His novel solution
> > both saved the environment and permitted the human race to
> > continue.
> >
> > Computers control our commerce, communication, transportation,
> > energy generation and distribution, medical equipment...
> >
> > ... and, of course, our fractals ;-)


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From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re:  FOTD  06-09-01  (Bits and Pieces [6])
Date: 07 Sep 2001 00:48:04 -0500

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> There are likely other duplications of FOTD
> names.  I'll handle any other duplications
> the same way.  And I'll have to make an index
> to prevent future duplications.
>

Yes, there are a few names that you seem to prefer on a frequent basis,
but that is expected after four and a half years of creating so many
wonderful images for everyone to enjoy.  I only have a problem with the
image's file name, when trying to link from the web pages, so started
numbering them years ago when they did duplicate.    :-)

I have an MS-Excel spreadsheet I started with the following columns:
     TITLE    IMAGE     PARAMETER    TYPE     FORMULA     DATE
Never got around to finishing it, but you are welcome to what I do have.

Also, if I can be of any assistance with your setting up everything for
the FOTD-CD, please do not hesitate to ask.

And, I assume that you will be including those long sought after
photographs of you and the "fractal cats"??  This could only increase
the value of the CD, if not the urge to purchase one.    ;-}

Sincerely,
P.N.L.
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (fractint) FOTD  07-09-01  (Olive Oil [7])
Date: 07 Sep 2001 08:43:46 EDT


Classic FOTD -- September 07, 2001 (Rating 7)

Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts:

With an end-of-week rush of work to accomplish, and a FOTD-CD to
start organizing, I will have to make today's discussion a
short one.

While searching for a name for today's FOTD, I noticed the
olive-like color of certain elements, and the overall oily
texture.  The name "Olive Oil" came easily.

The scene of today's image is located in an elephant trunk in
the East Valley area of its parent, a fractal that was created
on a whim, and is worth checking.

After first deciding on a rating of 6, I noticed the rather
unusual sculpted textures throughout the image, and finally
rated it at a 7.

The parameter file renders in 39 minutes, which is annoying; the
GIF image downloads in one minute, which is a pleasure.  The
image will be available on the web in an hour or so at:

          <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html>

and at:

          <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html>

With tons of sun and a temperature of 81F 27C, the fractal
weather today was perfect.  The cats must have agreed, for I
heard no complaints from them as they passed the day alternating
between the porch and yard.  (Yes, the cats' photographs will be
on the FOTD-CD.)

I've now got to get busy.  Until tomorrow, take care, and be at
one with yourself.


Jim Muth
[e-mail]


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From: Michael Weitzel <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Search Engines & Copyrighted Art
Date: 07 Sep 2001 12:09:22 +0200

Am Donnerstag, den 06. September 2001, um 18:58h schrieb Bob Margolis:

> Do Search Engines Expedite the Theft of Digital Images?
>
> A report in Thursday's Circuits section from The New York
> Times.
>
> The article is in both the print and Web editions of the NYT.
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/06/technology/circuits/06IMAG.html
>
> (The article in the print edition is on page one of the
> Circuits section and is headlined, "Is Theft in the Eye of the
> Beholder?: Some Artists Argue That Search Engines Are
> Capturing Their Images for Others to Steal.")
>
> This article deals with the possibility that search engines
> such as Google and AltaVista may be promoting copyright
> infringement by allowing people using their search engines
> to download copyright protected artwork.
>
> You will have to subscribe to the NYT online edition to read
> this article.

my personal opinion:

* Concerning the Internet, there is no difference between "looking at",
  "downloading" and "copying".

* Why don't artists apply software-like licenses to their digital
  images? digital images *are* "soft ware". copying digital data is
  much easier than copying books ("hard ware") for example. A kind of
  splash screen presenting such a license would be the result (giving
  the users the chance of accepting or rejecting before viewing).

* there is probably only one solution for those worried artists: they
  should keep their work off the internet an exhibit it in a room with
  blackened windows. ;-) Search engines are a "key technology". They
  make possible that the Art is viewed by the publicness at all.
--
   Michael --- http://www.ldknet.org/hp/mweitzel/
     *Weitzel* --- email: michael(at)ldknet.org

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From: harry <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Search Engines & Copyrighted Art
Date: 07 Sep 2001 17:28:28 -0400

<delurk mode>

It seems to me that the issue of "Copyrighted Works" on the internet is
kind
of silly.  If you want to protect the work for commercial reasons... it
should
NOT be on the internet at all. Perhaps a small image of it... resolution
crippled
... is OK.

I remember looking for an image of "American Gothic" on the internet. I
found
the original (with a REALLY BAD warning about what would happen to me
if I downloaded it...) as well as a web site with several hundred PARODY
images
of the artwork.  Ha Ha HAH !!!   Once something is on the internet its
probably
fair game for most non-commercial use.

The "Fair Use" doctrine will protect almose everyone who can prove a valid
copyright claim (as in they have registered the copyright and are therefore

entitled to damages).  If I download your image, print it and hang it on my
wall...
too bad. If I put it on an album cover or cereal box... then its my @ss.

As far as "licence" goes...  I purchased a disk of  "clip art"... and when
I read the
licence it forbade me to put those pictures on my web site.... Hmmmm.

As Ian Pace (of Deep Purple) once said " I bought it... I'll bloody well
boot it"

So I did.  Let them sue me !!!   If I'm 'small potatoes' I am beneath
notice... if
I'm the Big Cheeze... then I have the power to deal with them as equals....

Yes... Blackened Windows !!!  If you want to keep it a secret... just don't
post
it.

H^)  harry  <lurk mode resume>

Michael Weitzel wrote:

> Am Donnerstag, den 06. September 2001, um 18:58h schrieb Bob Margolis:
>
> > Do Search Engines Expedite the Theft of Digital Images?
> >
> > A report in Thursday's Circuits section from The New York
> > Times.
> >
> > The article is in both the print and Web editions of the NYT.
> >
> > http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/06/technology/circuits/06IMAG.html
> >
> > (The article in the print edition is on page one of the
> > Circuits section and is headlined, "Is Theft in the Eye of the
> > Beholder?: Some Artists Argue That Search Engines Are
> > Capturing Their Images for Others to Steal.")
> >
> > This article deals with the possibility that search engines
> > such as Google and AltaVista may be promoting copyright
> > infringement by allowing people using their search engines
> > to download copyright protected artwork.
> >
> > You will have to subscribe to the NYT online edition to read
> > this article.
>
> my personal opinion:
>
> * Concerning the Internet, there is no difference between "looking at",
>   "downloading" and "copying".
>
> * Why don't artists apply software-like licenses to their digital
>   images? digital images *are* "soft ware". copying digital data is
>   much easier than copying books ("hard ware") for example. A kind of
>   splash screen presenting such a license would be the result (giving
>   the users the chance of accepting or rejecting before viewing).
>
> * there is probably only one solution for those worried artists: they
>   should keep their work off the internet an exhibit it in a room with
>   blackened windows. ;-) Search engines are a "key technology". They
>   make possible that the Art is viewed by the publicness at all.
> --
>    Michael --- http://www.ldknet.org/hp/mweitzel/
>      *Weitzel* --- email: michael(at)ldknet.org
>
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From: Ken MacLean <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD  03-09-01  (Not the Negative Stem [5])
Date: 07 Sep 2001 19:43:13 -0400

David --
I quite agree with you on the Dan Simmons books. Have you read the 2 sequels
"Endymion" and "The Rise of Endymion"? Both excellent.
Speaking of fractals, what's the best fractal book you have read? I read
through some of Peitgens "The Science of Fractal Images", understanding about
10% of it, and I am now getting through "Fractal Creations" by Wegner. Any
fractal books you could recommend? I'm wondering how dense is the Mandelbrot
book "The Fractal Geometry of Nature." I don't feel like mis-understanding my
way through a lot of higher math.
-- Ken

David Jones wrote:

> Read "Hyperion," and "Fall of Hyperion" by Dan Simmons.
> Has a novel idea of why the AI's might keep humans
> around.
>
> Then, going farther back, Norman Spinrad's book "The
> Solarians" presents a humanity that doesn't use computers
> for anything, because it has learned to use its brains to
> full capacity.
>
> Unfortunately, no fractals in either book. 8-(
>
> David
> [e-mail]
>
> On  6 Sep 01 at 14:40, Ken MacLean wrote:
>
> > Programmer Dude:
> > re intelligent robots, AI, and their takeover of humans,
> >  have you read Greg Benford's (physicist) series on that
> > subject? A great read, the first book is, I believe,
> > 'Great Sky River.' Benford really makes you think about
> > the consequences of intelligent non-organic life with
> > complete free will. -- Ken
> >
> > Mark Christenson wrote:
> >
> > > At 02:28 PM 9/5/01 -0500, Programmer Dude wrote:
> > > >[e-mail] wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> On a philosophical note, I heard today that Steven Hawking, who
> > > >> is strong on AI, has warned that man must find a way to improve
> > > >> his DNA to give him greater intelligence.  According to Hawking,
> > > >> we must increase our intelligence to avoid the danger that
> > > >> machines with superior intelligence will take over the world.
> > > >
> > > >For my money, Hawking is one of the great genii of the world....in his
> > > >own field.  Outside of it, he oft seems somewhat of a loon....
> > >
> > > Oh, I don't know.
> > >
> > > First, as a physics BS (I know, a BS in *that* field is almost
> > > useless), admittedly old school (class of ' 79), I find some of
> > > his notions within his field to be somewhat loony.
> > >
> > > On the other hand, *this* concern seems to me rather reasonable.
> > > Not to say that life would necessarily imitate art in this case,
> > > but there are many writers who have explored this very scenario
> > > at various scales.  Classic examples include 2001, Colossus,
> > > and Terminator.
> > >
> > > In the event that we humans succeed in creating truly conscious
> > > computers/robots/androids/whatever, that is to say devices that
> > > are self-aware, capable of independant and creative thinking, and
> > > able to act on their ideas, not even Asimov's robotic laws could
> > > save us.  We would be as helpless against a brilliantly organized
> > > robotic assault as our evolutionary cousins, including Neandertal,
> > > were against the relentless advance of Homo Sapiens and our
> > > ancestors.
> > >
> > > As a really obscure aside, I should mention a short-lived TV Sci-Fi
> > > series that was based on such a scenario.  Cleopatra 2525 was
> > > based on the premise that in the early 21st Century flying robots
> > > known as Baileys came to Earth and laid such an overwhelming
> > > assault on its dominant species that all human life was driven
> > > underground.  In 2525, the timeframe of the series, the puzzle
> > > comes together.  It turns out that the Baileys were of terrestrial,
> > > not alien, origin.  Their creator, a scientist named Bailey, was an
> > > environmental extremist who decided that the only way to save
> > > Earth was to remove humans from its surface.  His novel solution
> > > both saved the environment and permitted the human race to
> > > continue.
> > >
> > > Computers control our commerce, communication, transportation,
> > > energy generation and distribution, medical equipment...
> > >
> > > ... and, of course, our fractals ;-)
>
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From: "David Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Best fractal book? was Re: (fractint) C-FOTD  03-09-01  (Not the
Date: 07 Sep 2001 20:19:22 -1000

On  7 Sep 01 at 19:43, Ken MacLean wrote:

> David --
> I quite agree with you on the Dan Simmons books. Have
> you read the 2 sequels "Endymion" and "The Rise of
> Endymion"? Both excellent.

I've glanced at them. Someday I'll read them, but to me
they have the feel of an unnecessary sequel. Could just be
something personal - I tend to like stories that lead up
to a major change in the world or person, and have
generally been disappointed with stories that try to take
that great change and "work out the consequences" of it.
Usually they take something that I imagine as
transcendental, and turn it into the mundane ...

> Speaking of fractals, what's the best fractal book you
> have read? I read through some of Peitgens "The Science
> of Fractal Images", understanding about 10% of it,

I glanced at that one, decided it was too deep for me.

> and I am now getting through "Fractal Creations" by
> Wegner.

Never even seen a copy of that one!

> Any fractal books you could recommend?

I particularly enjoyed "Turbulent Mirror," but it's not
about fractals per se. It's about chaos and order, and
how they seem to be connected at the deepest levels, so
that each gives rise to the other.

> I'm wondering how dense is the Mandelbrot book "The
> Fractal Geometry of Nature." I don't feel like
> mis-understanding my way through a lot of higher math.

I'm reading through that. So far, not much in the way of
math. A lot of M Mandelbrot's intellectual arrogance,
kind of the attitude that he invented everything
connected with fractal geometry, that everybody else
doing any work in the field has it all wrong, and that
his fractal theory explains everything throughout
science, etc, etc.

There was another book I read on chaos and fractals, I
forget the name of it at the moment. It was good, too.
I'll have to see if I remember the name.

David
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From: Mark Christenson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Best fractal book? was Re: (fractint) C-FOTD  03-09-01
Date: 08 Sep 2001 00:35:08 -0700

At 08:19 PM 9/7/01 -1000, you wrote:
>On  7 Sep 01 at 19:43, Ken MacLean wrote:
>>
>> Any fractal books you could recommend?
>>...
>> I don't feel like
>> mis-understanding my way through a lot of higher math.

My favorite (I own a 2nd ed. copy) is Michael Barnsley's
"Fractals Everywhere".  It does get "dense", but has
sufficient visual examples throughout so that you don't
have to be a math major to get something out of it.  It is
my Bible for affine transformations.  Barnsley (and his
graduate students) created fractal image compression
software, initially for DARPA, which later went commercial
with his company Iterated Systems.

The book is a math text, and therefore pricey, but it and
other Academic Press textbooks are available at a discount
through educational and other promotional programs.  I got
mine (about 35% off, I think) at a VR exposition a few years
back.


Regards,
        Bud


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From: Jim Muth <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) FOTD  08-09-01  (Midget Melee [6])
Date: 08 Sep 2001 10:29:37 -0400 (EDT)


Classic FOTD -- September 08, 2001 (Rating 6)

Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts:

Today's disordered and confused image defied naming.  While
studying it, I could find no theme to hang a name on.  In the
end I was overwhelmed by the confusion throughout the image,
and named it "Midget Melee".

The parent fractal, which results when 1/Z is subtracted from
0.5 part of Z^2, appears as a twisted Mandeloid surrounded by
much debris and many zig-zagging filaments.  Today's scene is
located in the suburbs of a larger midget, which in turn is
located in an area of chaotic debris on a broad filament on the
northwest outskirts of the main mandeloid.  I rated the picture
at a 6, the most convenient rating to use for an image whose
true worth is ambiguous.

The parameter file renders in somewhat more than 7 minutes on my
tired old Pentium 200mhz machine.  (BTW, whatever happened to
megacycles?)

For those who wait an hour or so, the GIF image will be
available on the web at:

          <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html>

and at:

          <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html>

The fractal weather today was perfect, at least for the cats.
It's getting quite dry for the growing plants however.  The
brilliant sun, gentle breezes and temperature of 84F 29C was
good for just about anything, while the dry atmosphere made
perspiration quite effective as a means of cooling those who
over-exerted themselves.

I see it's now time for me to stop thinking about fractals and
artificial intelligence, and start exerting myself, at least a
little.  The fractal grass is starting to sway in the wind.
Until next time, which will be tomorrow, take care, and be at
peace in one piece.


Jim Muth
[e-mail]


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|z| < l
}

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From: "b.rankin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Best fractal book? was Re: (fractint) C-FOTD  03-09-01  (Not the
Date: 08 Sep 2001 10:42:49 +0100

Hi. Have you tried Chaos and Fractals.New Frontiers of science,by Peitgen
Jurgens and Saup.A heavy tome indeed.Difficult and mathematically over my
head.But has lovely pictures and good basic programs of the chapters.
Brian Rankin.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 7:19 AM


> On  7 Sep 01 at 19:43, Ken MacLean wrote:
>
> > David --
> > I quite agree with you on the Dan Simmons books. Have
> > you read the 2 sequels "Endymion" and "The Rise of
> > Endymion"? Both excellent.
>
> I've glanced at them. Someday I'll read them, but to me
> they have the feel of an unnecessary sequel. Could just be
> something personal - I tend to like stories that lead up
> to a major change in the world or person, and have
> generally been disappointed with stories that try to take
> that great change and "work out the consequences" of it.
> Usually they take something that I imagine as
> transcendental, and turn it into the mundane ...
>
> > Speaking of fractals, what's the best fractal book you
> > have read? I read through some of Peitgens "The Science
> > of Fractal Images", understanding about 10% of it,
>
> I glanced at that one, decided it was too deep for me.
>
> > and I am now getting through "Fractal Creations" by
> > Wegner.
>
> Never even seen a copy of that one!
>
> > Any fractal books you could recommend?
>
> I particularly enjoyed "Turbulent Mirror," but it's not
> about fractals per se. It's about chaos and order, and
> how they seem to be connected at the deepest levels, so
> that each gives rise to the other.
>
> > I'm wondering how dense is the Mandelbrot book "The
> > Fractal Geometry of Nature." I don't feel like
> > mis-understanding my way through a lot of higher math.
>
> I'm reading through that. So far, not much in the way of
> math. A lot of M Mandelbrot's intellectual arrogance,
> kind of the attitude that he invented everything
> connected with fractal geometry, that everybody else
> doing any work in the field has it all wrong, and that
> his fractal theory explains everything throughout
> science, etc, etc.
>
> There was another book I read on chaos and fractals, I
> forget the name of it at the moment. It was good, too.
> I'll have to see if I remember the name.
>
> David
> [e-mail]
>
>
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From: Ken MacLean <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Best fractal book? was Re: (fractint) C-FOTD  03-09-01  (Not the
Date: 08 Sep 2001 21:52:21 -0400



David Jones wrote:

>
> I've glanced at them. Someday I'll read them, but to me
> they have the feel of an unnecessary sequel. Could just be
> something personal - I tend to like stories that lead up
> to a major change in the world or person, and have
> generally been disappointed with stories that try to take
> that great change and "work out the consequences" of it.
> Usually they take something that I imagine as
> transcendental, and turn it into the mundane ...

I agree. The 3rd book starts slowly but I can tell you that the 4th book
ends with a bang -- an entirely different, but I think accurate, concept
of the future potential of humanity. Not the same tired old "merging
with technology" bullshit, but a real tour-de-force of the awesome power
of life. Done in Simmon's original way.

>
>
>
> > I'm wondering how dense is the Mandelbrot book "The
> > Fractal Geometry of Nature." I don't feel like
> > mis-understanding my way through a lot of higher math.
>
> I'm reading through that. So far, not much in the way of
> math. A lot of M Mandelbrot's intellectual arrogance,
> kind of the attitude that he invented everything
> connected with fractal geometry, that everybody else
> doing any work in the field has it all wrong, and that
> his fractal theory explains everything throughout
> science, etc, etc.

Thanks for that. You do get weary reading about someone else's ego. I
can forget about that one.
The Wegner book is all about how to operate fractint. It's out of print
but I picked up a used copy from Amazon. Pretty well written.
-- Ken


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From: Ken MacLean <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Best fractal book? was Re: (fractint) C-FOTD  03-09-01 (Not the
Date: 08 Sep 2001 21:54:18 -0400

Thanks for that. I thought about getting the Barnsley book, but I am a
little wary of tackling that IFS stuff. I can't even make much sense out
of the fractint code!
-- ken

Mark Christenson wrote:

> At 08:19 PM 9/7/01 -1000, you wrote:
> >On  7 Sep 01 at 19:43, Ken MacLean wrote:
> >>
> >> Any fractal books you could recommend?
> >>...
> >> I don't feel like
> >> mis-understanding my way through a lot of higher math.
>
> My favorite (I own a 2nd ed. copy) is Michael Barnsley's
> "Fractals Everywhere".  It does get "dense", but has
> sufficient visual examples throughout so that you don't
> have to be a math major to get something out of it.  It is
> my Bible for affine transformations.  Barnsley (and his
> graduate students) created fractal image compression
> software, initially for DARPA, which later went commercial
> with his company Iterated Systems.
>
> The book is a math text, and therefore pricey, but it and
> other Academic Press textbooks are available at a discount
> through educational and other promotional programs.  I got
> mine (about 35% off, I think) at a VR exposition a few years
> back.
>
> Regards,
>         Bud
>
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From: Ken MacLean <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Best fractal book? was Re: (fractint) C-FOTD  03-09-01  (Not the
Date: 08 Sep 2001 21:57:59 -0400

Holy cow that Peitgen guy has another math-heavy book on fractals! I tried
reading "The Science of Fractal Images" but the math was just too much. I'll
check out the "Chaos and Fractals" book though, thaks for the recommendation.
I just keep thinking that if I could just figure out the fractint code, I'd
know most everything about fractals... I know there are guys that can read
code like it was a dime novel, but I'm not one of them...
-- Ken


"b.rankin" wrote:

> Hi. Have you tried Chaos and Fractals.New Frontiers of science,by Peitgen
> Jurgens and Saup.A heavy tome indeed.Difficult and mathematically over my
> head.But has lovely pictures and good basic programs of the chapters.
> Brian Rankin.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Jones" <[e-mail]>
> To: <[e-mail]>
> Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 7:19 AM
> Subject: Best fractal book? was Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 03-09-01 (Not the
>
> > On  7 Sep 01 at 19:43, Ken MacLean wrote:
> >
> > > David --
> > > I quite agree with you on the Dan Simmons books. Have
> > > you read the 2 sequels "Endymion" and "The Rise of
> > > Endymion"? Both excellent.
> >
> > I've glanced at them. Someday I'll read them, but to me
> > they have the feel of an unnecessary sequel. Could just be
> > something personal - I tend to like stories that lead up
> > to a major change in the world or person, and have
> > generally been disappointed with stories that try to take
> > that great change and "work out the consequences" of it.
> > Usually they take something that I imagine as
> > transcendental, and turn it into the mundane ...
> >
> > > Speaking of fractals, what's the best fractal book you
> > > have read? I read through some of Peitgens "The Science
> > > of Fractal Images", understanding about 10% of it,
> >
> > I glanced at that one, decided it was too deep for me.
> >
> > > and I am now getting through "Fractal Creations" by
> > > Wegner.
> >
> > Never even seen a copy of that one!
> >
> > > Any fractal books you could recommend?
> >
> > I particularly enjoyed "Turbulent Mirror," but it's not
> > about fractals per se. It's about chaos and order, and
> > how they seem to be connected at the deepest levels, so
> > that each gives rise to the other.
> >
> > > I'm wondering how dense is the Mandelbrot book "The
> > > Fractal Geometry of Nature." I don't feel like
> > > mis-understanding my way through a lot of higher math.
> >
> > I'm reading through that. So far, not much in the way of
> > math. A lot of M Mandelbrot's intellectual arrogance,
> > kind of the attitude that he invented everything
> > connected with fractal geometry, that everybody else
> > doing any work in the field has it all wrong, and that
> > his fractal theory explains everything throughout
> > science, etc, etc.
> >
> > There was another book I read on chaos and fractals, I
> > forget the name of it at the moment. It was good, too.
> > I'll have to see if I remember the name.
> >
> > David
> > [e-mail]
> >
> >
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Subject: (fractint) There's no best fractal book, but lots of good ones
Date: 08 Sep 2001 23:13:21 -0500

<!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
<html>
Advice to the weary:
<p>Peitgen, Jurgens and Saupe's book(s) are reference-type books; at the
least, they expect the reader to have a grad-school level familiarity w/
mathematics. They are (I think) universally acknowledged to be among the
best - if not <u>the</u> best - compendia of their type - given their age
- but absolutely the <u>last</u> place for the mathematically faint-of-heart
or those of us (like me) who are less than sophisticated in computer science.
<p>By all means, check out Barnsley, as has been suggested.
<p>But first, <b>RUN to Amazon.com's website and</b>
<br><b>1) look up "fractals",</b>
<br><b>2) read the "Reviews", and</b>
<br><b>3) look at the Ratings (1->5 stars).</b><b></b>
<p>Then choose, purchase and read the highest-rated, least-expensive 5
books characterized as "introductory level" by their readers. No need to
reinvent the wheel.
<p>Amazon's site has the often-overlooked benefit of including the <u>un-edited
comments made by individual readers</u>  - people with a wide variety
of professional and academic backgrounds - <u>as well as</u> "Comments"
made by professional ("trade") reviewers who are paid to say that all books
published by their employer-of-the-instant are wonderful and comprehensible
by all.
<p>So you can differentiate the expensive books w/ narrow focus or tough
math from the ones that really were useful to the largest number of readers.
<p>Both this site's Homepage and the Fractint, UltraFractal, and ChaosPro
Homepages have Bibliographies as well, if I'm not mistaken, in which more
expert opinions are rendered by people who <u>really</u> know fractals
tick.
<p>Further, you can get find numerous additional "Lists of Books about
Fractals" at the amazon.com site (look at the right-hand margin), as well
heaps of other input by simply Google-izing the word "fractal" [i.e., go
to <www.google.com>, input "fractal" and you'll get thousands of hits.]
<p>D. Freed
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<p>Ken MacLean wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Holy cow that Peitgen guy has another math-heavy
book on fractals! I tried
<br>reading "The Science of Fractal Images" but the math was just too much.
I'll
<br>check out the "Chaos and Fractals" book though, thaks for the recommendation.
<br>I just keep thinking that if I could just figure out the fractint code,
I'd
<br>know most everything about fractals... I know there are guys that can
read
<br>code like it was a dime novel, but I'm not one of them...
<br>-- Ken
<p>"b.rankin" wrote:
<p>> Hi. Have you tried Chaos and Fractals.New Frontiers of science,by
Peitgen
<br>> Jurgens and Saup.A heavy tome indeed.Difficult and mathematically
over my
<br>> head.But has lovely pictures and good basic programs of the chapters.
<br>> Brian Rankin.
<br>> ----- Original Message -----
<br>> From: "David Jones" <[e-mail]>
<br>> To: <[e-mail]>
<br>> Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 7:19 AM
<br>> Subject: Best fractal book? was Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 03-09-01 (Not
the
<br>>
<br>> > On  7 Sep 01 at 19:43, Ken MacLean wrote:
<br>> >
<br>> > > David --
<br>> > > I quite agree with you on the Dan Simmons books. Have
<br>> > > you read the 2 sequels "Endymion" and "The Rise of
<br>> > > Endymion"? Both excellent.
<br>> >
<br>> > I've glanced at them. Someday I'll read them, but to me
<br>> > they have the feel of an unnecessary sequel. Could just be
<br>> > something personal - I tend to like stories that lead up
<br>> > to a major change in the world or person, and have
<br>> > generally been disappointed with stories that try to take
<br>> > that great change and "work out the consequences" of it.
<br>> > Usually they take something that I imagine as
<br>> > transcendental, and turn it into the mundane ...
<br>> >
<br>> > > Speaking of fractals, what's the best fractal book you
<br>> > > have read? I read through some of Peitgens "The Science
<br>> > > of Fractal Images", understanding about 10% of it,
<br>> >
<br>> > I glanced at that one, decided it was too deep for me.
<br>> >
<br>> > > and I am now getting through "Fractal Creations" by
<br>> > > Wegner.
<br>> >
<br>> > Never even seen a copy of that one!
<br>> >
<br>> > > Any fractal books you could recommend?
<br>> >
<br>> > I particularly enjoyed "Turbulent Mirror," but it's not
<br>> > about fractals per se. It's about chaos and order, and
<br>> > how they seem to be connected at the deepest levels, so
<br>> > that each gives rise to the other.
<br>> >
<br>> > > I'm wondering how dense is the Mandelbrot book "The
<br>> > > Fractal Geometry of Nature." I don't feel like
<br>> > > mis-understanding my way through a lot of higher math.
<br>> >
<br>> > I'm reading through that. So far, not much in the way of
<br>> > math. A lot of M Mandelbrot's intellectual arrogance,
<br>> > kind of the attitude that he invented everything
<br>> > connected with fractal geometry, that everybody else
<br>> > doing any work in the field has it all wrong, and that
<br>> > his fractal theory explains everything throughout
<br>> > science, etc, etc.
<br>> >
<br>> > There was another book I read on chaos and fractals, I
<br>> > forget the name of it at the moment. It was good, too.
<br>> > I'll have to see if I remember the name.
<br>> >
<br>> > David
<br>> > [e-mail]
<br>> >
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From: "David Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Best fractal book? was Re: (fractint) C-FOTD  03-09-01  (Not
Date: 08 Sep 2001 21:16:44 -1000

On  8 Sep 01 at 21:52, Ken MacLean wrote:

> David Jones wrote:
>
> > I've glanced at them. Someday I'll read them, but to me
> > they have the feel of an unnecessary sequel. Could just be
> > something personal - I tend to like stories that lead up
> > to a major change in the world or person, and have
> > generally been disappointed with stories that try to take
> > that great change and "work out the consequences" of it.
> > Usually they take something that I imagine as
> > transcendental, and turn it into the mundane ...
>
> I agree. The 3rd book starts slowly but I can tell you
> that the 4th book ends with a bang -- an entirely
> different, but I think accurate, concept of the future
> potential of humanity. Not the same tired old "merging
> with technology" bullshit, but a real tour-de-force of
> the awesome power of life. Done in Simmon's original
> way.

Hmmm, sounds like I should go check them out. Thanks!

> > > I'm wondering how dense is the Mandelbrot book "The
> > > Fractal Geometry of Nature." I don't feel like
> > > mis-understanding my way through a lot of higher math.
> >
> > I'm reading through that. So far, not much in the way of
> > math. A lot of M Mandelbrot's intellectual arrogance,
> > kind of the attitude that he invented everything
> > connected with fractal geometry, that everybody else
> > doing any work in the field has it all wrong, and that
> > his fractal theory explains everything throughout
> > science, etc, etc.
>
> Thanks for that. You do get weary reading about someone
> else's ego. I can forget about that one.

Actually, one thing I do like about it is that
encyclopaedic survey of research areas that could be or
have been benefited by fractal theory. I got to the
point where I just sort of automatically ignored the
arrogance. He has since proved wrong in many of his
assertions, but it was still interesting.

> The Wegner book is all about how to operate fractint.
> It's out of print but I picked up a used copy from
> Amazon. Pretty well written. -- Ken

Hey, Tim, when you coming out with a new edition?

David
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From: "David Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Best fractal book? was Re: (fractint) C-FOTD  03-09-01  (Not
Date: 08 Sep 2001 21:16:43 -1000

On  8 Sep 01 at 21:57, Ken MacLean wrote:

> I just keep thinking that if I could just figure out
> the fractint code, I'd know most everything about
> fractals... I know there are guys that can read code
> like it was a dime novel, but I'm not one of them...

I haven't been able to read Assembler code since I quit
programming my old Commodore 64's 6510 processor! For
that kind of speed and closness to hardware, I prefer
Forth. But that's about as unreadable as Assembler! ;-)

The only fractal generator I ever wrote was done in
Commodore BASIC and generated 320x200x4 color basic
Mandelbrots. At an incredibly slow rate! I wish I'd
written it in Forth instead. I had Forth programs that
could change C64 color registers faster than the video
chip could display the changes ...

David
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Subject: (fractint) FOTD  09-09-01  (Somber Enigma [7])
Date: 09 Sep 2001 10:59:20 EDT


FOTD -- September 09, 2001 (Rating 7)

Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts:

I like dark blues and violets -- they're so . . . somber.
Coincidentally, today's image happens to be filled with dark
blues, making it somber; and all fractals are an enigma, making
the name "Somber Enigma" appropriate for today's image, which
also resembles a spiral galaxy with stars glittering along its
arms.

The formula that worked the somber, star-spangled mischief is
one of the most simple -- (1/Z)+10(Z^(-10))+(1/C).  It has no
fractional exponents or fancy trig functions that promise much
but deliver little.  All it does is make a fractal with a
Mandel-bud at the east end.  Today's midget is located in a
broken-off fragment of filament extending northeast from that
bud.

The rating of 7 may be a bit liberal, but I do appreciate dark,
somber colors, so I feel the rating is justified.  The draw time
of 6-1/2 minutes is a trifle slow, but can be avoided by
downloading the GIF image from:

          <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html>

or from:

          <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html>

The downloads will be ready in an hour or so.

The fractal weather today was once again perfect, with deep blue
skies, fluffy white clouds, gentle breezes, low humidity, and a
temperature of 84F 29C.  The fractal cats revelled in the
perfection.

The fractal grass is trimmed, but much work must be done on
gathering and editing the material for the upcoming FOTD CD.  If
I find I need help, I won't hesitate to ask for it.  So until
next time, take care, and be patient.


Jim Muth
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From: "Multiple Bogeys" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 03-09-01 (Not the Negative Stem [5])
Date: 09 Sep 2001 17:10:56 -0400


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From: "Multiple Bogeys" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Search Engines & Copyrighted Art
Date: 09 Sep 2001 17:18:11 -0400


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Simple solution.
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 the image, don't put the full size version online,
   unless protected by passwords or whatever. Then make it secure.
2. Otherwise, by all means put it on the net, but if you want to be alway=
s credited as the original author, watermark it and
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Subject: Re: Best fractal book? was Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 03-09-01 (Not
Date: 09 Sep 2001 17:31:36 -0400


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> I haven't been able to read Assembler code since I quit
> programming my old Commodore 64's 6510 processor!

Me too.

> The only fractal generator I ever wrote was done in
> Commodore BASIC and generated 320x200x4 color basic
> Mandelbrots. At an incredibly slow rate!

Typed one in from a magazine. Later wrote another that output to a color =
plotter. Then an Amiga 500 BASIC one that could generate 320x240x32 color=
 -- later also fake 64 color by checkerboarding every other band with 2 a=
djacent colors. This could save bitmaps (later with RLE compression) and =
load them, and resume. Graphical zoom box. Multiple fractal types. Then I=
 had PC compatibles and out came an assortment of QBasic proggies, follow=
ed by a bunch written in C. Now those are FAST. One C program implements =
the MDisk algorithm from the Science of Fractal Images, with disks inside=
 and outside the Set, and gives very fast previews. Another does a bounda=
ry trace with distance estimator, and uses MDisk to skip around the image=
 borders when it has to cross areas of the Set interior or exterior. It's=
 the fastest I've ever seen at generating a complete monochrome DEM image=
. (The fast previewing one takes slightly longer to generate the final im=
age but you get a good idea of what it will look like much sooner.) Neith=
er of these are polished programs ready for release though -- both are en=
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> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>> The only fractal generator I ever wrote was=
 done in<BR>> Commodore BASIC and generated 320x200x4 color basic<BR>&=
gt; Mandelbrots. At an incredibly slow rate!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV=
>Typed one in from a magazine. Later wrote another that output to a color=
 plotter. Then an Amiga 500 BASIC one that could generate 320x240x32 colo=
r -- later also fake 64 color by checkerboarding every other band with 2 =
adjacent colors. This could save bitmaps (later with RLE compression) and=
 load them, and resume. Graphical zoom box. Multiple fractal types. Then =
I had PC compatibles and out came an assortment of QBasic proggies, follo=
wed by a bunch written in C. Now those are FAST. One C program implements=
 the MDisk algorithm from the Science of Fractal Images, with disks insid=
e and outside the Set, and gives very fast previews. Another does a bound=
ary trace with distance estimator, and uses MDisk to skip around the imag=
e borders when it has to cross areas of the Set interior or exterior. It'=
s the fastest I've ever seen at generating a complete monochrome DEM imag=
e. (The fast previewing one takes slightly longer to generate the final i=
mage but you get a good idea of what it will look like much sooner.) Neit=
her of these are polished programs ready for release though -- both are e=
ngines to which I've attached a number of extremely simple drivers for te=
sting and my own exploration purposes. Both can be plugged into a real UI=
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Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTD 09-09-01 (Somber Enigma [7])
Date: 09 Sep 2001 17:33:46 -0400


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> FOTD -- September 09, 2001 (Rating 7)

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From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Best fractal book? was Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 03-09-01 (Not
Date: 09 Sep 2001 17:06:43 -0500

Multiple Bogeys wrote:
>
> David Jones wrote:
> >
> > Ken MacLean wrote:
> > >
> > > I just keep thinking that if I could just figure out
> > > the fractint code, I'd know most everything about
> > > fractals... I know there are guys that can read code
> > > like it was a dime novel, but I'm not one of them...
> >
> > I haven't been able to read Assembler code since I quit
> > programming my old Commodore 64's 6510 processor!
> >
>
> Me too.
>

I believe the majority of FractInt's code is in "C", only a few routines
are written in Assembler, and those few can be pulled into any program
capable of using them.  Last time I looked, only eighteen modules were
coded using Assembler.  Most of those are very well documented and
commented throughout the coding.

But there are at least fifty-five modules that are written in "C", which
should give one plenty of information about the FractInt code.  That is
if one wishes to truely get involved to such an extent.

Sincerely,
P.N.L.
http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go

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From: Tim Wegner <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Best fractal book? was Re: (fractint) C-FOTD 03-09-01 (Not
Date: 09 Sep 2001 17:26:11 -0600

Paul wrote:

> I believe the majority of FractInt's code is in "C", only a few
> routines
> are written in Assembler, and those few can be pulled into any program
> capable of using them.  Last time I looked, only eighteen modules were
> coded using Assembler.  Most of those are very well documented and
> commented throughout the coding.

There actually is a fair bit of fractint written in assembler. But all of the fractal-related code that is
in assembler is also in C. It isn't all that well documented, but the fractal algorithms art clear
enough to easily port or reuse.

Tim


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Subject: (fractint) "Fractal 2002" Conference: "Complexity & Fractals in Nature", 3/2002,
Date: 09 Sep 2001 22:57:18 -0500

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Fellow Fractaliers-

FYI - Maybe I'm the only one  who didn't know about this conference
(this is the SEVENTH), but the Invited speakers are well-known in their
respective sub-areas, and I'm anxiously awaiting a set of Proceedings of
previous Meetings.

Would not have noticed it at all were it not for david's recent question
to List re good intro-level fractal books, and the subsequent Google
search: this appeared on p7 of a 20+-pg set of hits, and (interestingly)
did not appear on similarly-massive Google-izations of "chaos",
"nonlinear mechanics/dynamics/etc"

D. Freed


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<H2>Conference themes</H2>
<br>
<UL>
   <LI>Fractal geometry and its applications across the range of disciplines.  <br>
  <LI>Cooperative behaviour and the emergence of structures in complex systems.
</UL>
<p>
By bringing together the practitioners in the various fields of  sciences, engineering, medicine and economics, the conference encourages the cross-fertilization of views on complex spatial and temporal  behaviour. One of  the products of the conference is the emerging insight into the complex nature of interacting systems.
<p>

The format of this series of conferences is designed to maximize the development of collaborative links. This is done through intensive exposure to major presentations and a poster session. There is also ample opportunity for informal discussions and recreation.
<p>
<B>Likely topics include:</B>
<UL>
<LI>  Applications of fractals,  including those in biology, medicine, engineering, economics and sociology
<li> Cellular automata
<li> Coherent structures
<li>  Diffusion
<li>     Disordered systems
<li>   Fractal surfaces and volumes
<li>  Fractals and chaos in signal processing
<li>  Growth phenomena
<li> Iterated Function Systems
<li>  Image analysis and synthesis
<li>  L-Systems
<li>   Multifractal formalism
<li>   Non-linear dynamical  systems
<li>   Pattern formation
<li>  Phase transitions
<li>     Self organization and cooperative phenomena
<li>  Turbulence
<li>  Visualization
<li> Waves and interactions
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From: Guy Marson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) There's no best fractal book, but lots of good
Date: 10 Sep 2001 10:55:50 +0200

At 23:13 08/09/01 -0500, you wrote:
But first, RUN to Amazon.com's website and
>1) look up "fractals",
>2) read the "Reviews", and
>3) look at the Ratings (1->5 stars). Then choose, purchase and read the
>highest-rated, least-expensive 5 books characterized as "introductory
>level" by their readers. No need to reinvent the wheel.


good idea; rated 5!


Cheers,

Guy


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Subject: (fractint) FOTD  10-09-01  (Now You See It [4])
Date: 10 Sep 2001 11:01:21 EDT


FOTD -- September 10, 2001 (Rating 4)

Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts:

Maybe it's there, but we can't see it.  This describes today's
image, which resembles the surroundings of a midget.  But no
midget is visible.  The midget does exist of course, way down at
the center of the image, unfortunately well beyond resolution.
As a result I named the image "Now You See It".  We'll let the
viewer mentally add the "Now You Don't".

The formula 5(Z^(-1.333))+0.5(Z^(-13.33))+(1/C), which is
responsible for today's fractal, is another of my whimsical
expressions that come from nowhere but make a reasonable
fractal.  Because I put so little energy into the image, I could
rate it at only a 4.

The draw time of just under one hour is slow for a fractal that
rates only a 4.  But relief is at hand in the form of the
pre-rendered GIF image, which will soon be available on the
internet at:

          <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html>

and at:

          <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html>

from where it may be downloaded in a minute or so.

The fractal weather today was once again near perfect, with blue
skies, fluffy white clouds, gentle breezes, and a temperature of
86F 30C.  Only a few too many clouds and a couple degrees too
much heat prevented absolute perfection.  The fractal cats had a
great day doing nothing but sleep and eat.

I am making good progress on the FOTD CD.  All the material I
have on file is now gathered, and the next task is to determine
what is missing, so that I can pick it up from other sources.
An even more immediate task is to start and finish the day's
work.  Until next time, take care, and I've never seen a purple
cow.


Jim Muth
[e-mail]


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From: Ralph Feltens <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTD  10-09-01  (Now You See It [4])
Date: 10 Sep 2001 20:22:20 +0200

Hi Jim

> Until next time, take care, and I've never seen a purple
> cow.

But maybe a violet one: http://www.milka.de/home/home.html

(The Milka cow is so well known here in Germany that a lot of the little
kids growing up in the big towns really think that violet is the natural
color of a cow)

Regards,

Ralph


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (fractint) FOTD  11-09-01  (Fuzzy Fractal Logic [7])
Date: 11 Sep 2001 10:37:32 EDT


FOTD -- September 11, 2001 (Rating 7)

Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts:

An extremely simple formula can produce a striking fractal.
This is the premise I set out to demonstrate when I started the
FOTD 4-1/2 years ago, and once again, I feel I have demonstrated
it.

True, I did not demonstrate it today with the classic
equal-iteration bands, but the <tdis> outside in today's image
creates a fractal striking enough so that when combined with the
simple expression (-Z)^1.26+C, it once again demonstrates the
original premise of the FOTD.

The MandelbrotMiN formula, which stands for Mandelbrot-minus-n,
is an old one that I haven't used in several years.  It has some
good fractals in it however, and deserves to be brought out at
least once in a while to do its thing.

Today's fractal rates a 7, and is a sample of the things this
formula can do.  The name "Fuzzy Fractal Logic" comes from the
fuzzy appearance of the unusually brilliant elements surrounding
the less-than-impressive midget at the center.

Fuzzy logic is a loose type of logic, which when programmed into
a computer is supposed to make the machine respond to input more
like a human mind.  It works in a rudimentary sort of way, but
don't expect to be carrying on a stimulating conversation with a
computer in the next year or so.

The render time of 2-1/2 minutes from today's parameter file is
fast enough.  The GIF image downloads even faster from:

          <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html>

or from:

          <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html>

After it has been posted there of course.

The fractal weather today was less than perfect, with lots of
clouds and a few sprinkles of rain.  The rain, rather than the
temperature of 83F 28C, kept the cats confined to the porch,
where they watched for unwanted cats that might intrude.

It's now time to shut down the fractal aspect and rev up the
design aspect of the workshop.  But I'll return in 24 hours more
or less with a new fractal to delight and amaze.  Until then,
take care, and be at peace with everything.


Jim Muth
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (fractint) THE LAST FOTD!  12-09-01  (Simplicity [0])
Date: 12 Sep 2001 06:49:47 EDT


THE LAST FOTD -- September 12, 2001 (Rating 0)

Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts:

Regretfully, due to world conditions, this will be the last
FOTD.  If I wrote what I feel, you would no longer like me, so I
shall go out instead in a blaze of simplicity.

Today's fractal is the fastest and simplest of all time.  1/3
second is not to be sneezed at.  That is why I named it
"Simplicity".  The rating of 0 is as much a description as a
statement of the image's worth.

With a render time of 0.33 seconds, there is hardly a need to
pick up the image from the web sites at:

          <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html>

and at:

          <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html>

The fractal weather today was once again perfect, with brilliant
blue skies and a temperature of 81F 27C.  The fractal cats did
not enjoy the perfection however.  They hid themselves away all
day, probably sensing my anger.

That's it for a long time, most likely forever.  I will *NOT*
return in 24 hours with another fractal.  I will be too busy
from now on, venting my wrath on the political forums.

But it's been a fun 4-1/2 years.

Good Bye.

Jim Muth
[e-mail]


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From: Programmer Dude <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) THE LAST FOTD!  12-09-01  (Simplicity [0])
Date: 12 Sep 2001 09:24:45 -0500

[e-mail] wrote:

> THE LAST FOTD -- September 12, 2001 (Rating 0)
> [...]
> Good Bye.

Good bye, Jim.

But, a thought: if you quit because of this... they win.

--
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From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) THE LAST FOTD!  12-09-01  (Simplicity [0])
Date: 12 Sep 2001 12:42:50 -0500

Programmer Dude wrote:
>
> Jim Muth wrote:
> >
> > THE LAST FOTD -- September 12, 2001 (Rating 0)
> >   .......  Good Bye.
>
> But, a thought: if you quit because of this... they win.
>

That is one of the main reasons of terrorism, the disruption of normal
processes.

There are probably hundreds of individuals that appreciate the FOTD and
benefit from your daily efforts.  Your images and formulae have been
used to enhance the artistic efforts of almost everyone that uses
FractInt, not to mention those that use other fractal generators capable
of using the PARs and FRMs:  UltraFractal, ChaosPro, etc...

I have seen such individuals as Brian Prentice recreate many of your
images (and variations thereof) under UltraFractal, which causes others
to try out using your files.

It would be a sad day for sure if you allow the actions of terrorists to
influence your own actions.  Maybe a short interim between now and
future FOTDs might be something to consider, in memory of those involved
in this terrible tragedy.

Sincerely,
P.N.L.
http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go

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Subject: (fractint) [Fwd: THE LAST FOTD]
Date: 12 Sep 2001 13:16:20 -0500

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Dear Jim,

Yesterday you said:

"But I'll return . . . Until then, take care, and be at peace with
everything."

I hope you feel better.


Best regards,

DeBow Freed


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Subject: Re: (fractint) THE LAST FOTD!  12-09-01  (Simplicity [0])
Date: 12 Sep 2001 11:29:15 -1000

>Programmer Dude wrote:
>>
>> Jim Muth wrote:
>> >
>> > THE LAST FOTD -- September 12, 2001 (Rating 0)
>> >   .......  Good Bye.
>>
>> But, a thought: if you quit because of this... they win.
>
>That is one of the main reasons of terrorism, the disruption of normal
>processes.
>
>There are probably hundreds of individuals that appreciate the FOTD and
>benefit from your daily efforts.  Your images and formulae have been
>used to enhance the artistic efforts of almost everyone that uses
>FractInt, not to mention those that use other fractal generators capable
>of using the PARs and FRMs:  UltraFractal, ChaosPro, etc...
>
>I have seen such individuals as Brian Prentice recreate many of your
>images (and variations thereof) under UltraFractal, which causes others
>to try out using your files.
>
>It would be a sad day for sure if you allow the actions of terrorists to
>influence your own actions.  Maybe a short interim between now and
>future FOTDs might be something to consider, in memory of those involved
>in this terrible tragedy.

Or a special FOTD in memory of those who died in the attack. Of all the Fractint-related
email that comes to my account, the FOTD are the only ones that I always keep.
Please don't quit! I've read somewhere, "All that evil needs in order to succeed
is for good people to do nothing." While there seems to be little balance between
the great evil of the attack, and the (seemingly small) good of your FOTD, your
FOTD is still a good.

David
[e-mail]

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From: Ken MacLean <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) THE LAST FOTD!  12-09-01  (Simplicity [0])
Date: 12 Sep 2001 21:39:23 -0400

Dear Jim --
I agree with all of those who have urged you to continue. Your fractals are excellent, but I
will miss more your good humor. Do not let the negative energy consume you, else the dark
side will have won a victory. The force is more powerful.  Please find it in your heart to
continue, after an appropriate period of grieving and venting.
-- Ken

[e-mail] wrote:

> >Programmer Dude wrote:
> >>
> >> Jim Muth wrote:
> >> >
> >> > THE LAST FOTD -- September 12, 2001 (Rating 0)
> >> >   .......  Good Bye.
> >>
> >> But, a thought: if you quit because of this... they win.
> >
> >That is one of the main reasons of terrorism, the disruption of normal
> >processes.
> >
> >There are probably hundreds of individuals that appreciate the FOTD and
> >benefit from your daily efforts.  Your images and formulae have been
> >used to enhance the artistic efforts of almost everyone that uses
> >FractInt, not to mention those that use other fractal generators capable
> >of using the PARs and FRMs:  UltraFractal, ChaosPro, etc...
> >
> >I have seen such individuals as Brian Prentice recreate many of your
> >images (and variations thereof) under UltraFractal, which causes others
> >to try out using your files.
> >
> >It would be a sad day for sure if you allow the actions of terrorists to
> >influence your own actions.  Maybe a short interim between now and
> >future FOTDs might be something to consider, in memory of those involved
> >in this terrible tragedy.
>
> Or a special FOTD in memory of those who died in the attack. Of all the Fractint-related
> email that comes to my account, the FOTD are the only ones that I always keep.
> Please don't quit! I've read somewhere, "All that evil needs in order to succeed
> is for good people to do nothing." While there seems to be little balance between
> the great evil of the attack, and the (seemingly small) good of your FOTD, your
> FOTD is still a good.
>
> David
> [e-mail]
>
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Subject: (fractint) Re: THE LAST FOTD!  12-09-01  (Simplicity [0])
Date: 12 Sep 2001 19:47:54 -0700

At 06:49 AM 9/12/01 EDT, Jim Muth wrote:
>
>THE LAST FOTD -- September 12, 2001 (Rating 0)
>
>Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts:
>
>Regretfully, due to world conditions, this will be the last
>FOTD.  If I wrote what I feel, you would no longer like me...

I'm not at all sure about that, Jim.  We are not all Americans,
but all who love peace and freedom felt the sting of yesterday's
evil.  If I spoke my mind I would be banned from the list.  But that
is, of course, way off topic and inappropriate for this forum.
(Please feel free to contact me privately to vent.)

I completely understand, as many of my fractal dry spells have
been caused in part by such crusades.  I have immersed myself
in politics from very local to national, including walking precincts
in the '92 presidential election, to fight for various causes.  Take
the time you need to vent your wrath and affect (or effect, take
your choice, as both apply in this case) the trials that must come
to save us from the scourge of terrorism, but please don't entirely
abandon the medium through which you have contributed much
beauty and wonder to the world.

If you must end the FOTD, I highly suggest you start a Web
site of galleries when your rage diminishes and your sense
of beauty returns.  That is a more manageable beast anyway,
and I'm sure most of us are adequately impressed with your
almost unbroken four-plus year streak to forgive the passing
of a fractal fixture.


Oddly enough, I bawled like a baby for a few minutes several
hours after Challenger, but haven't shed a tear over this.  I'm
just seething with quiet rage and a wish that I were 20 years
younger so I could sign up to go kick some ass.  But then
again, I knew two of the Challenger crew.


Condolences and God (by any name) bless us all,
        Bud


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                  <font face="Arial" size="4" color="#4E68A4">The Critter
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                  After five months of development the Critter Classifieds are
                  now on-line allowing Breeders and Rescue Organizations to
                  place ads which can be maintained by the user. As always,
                  Rescue Ads are free and Breeders, Businesses, Ranches, etc. may advertise for a minimal
                  charge. The Furry Critter Network will continue to provide a
                  platform for responsible breeders and only accept ads in the
                  Dog & Cat area from participants whom are able to input
                  lineage within the ad for both Puppies & Kittens, and for Dogs
                  & Cats advertised for stud or breeding. This is in an
                  effort to cut down access for the puppy mills and backyard
                  breeders. The Horse, Rabbit,
                  Bird and Exotic areas will accept mixed breeds due to the
                  acceptable breed practices of their respective species.. Features would
                  include; Breed Standards and behavior for Dogs & Cats tied to
                  the classifieds, Auto-Notify of information you select, ad page
                  counters to review traffic on your ad, multimedia
                  functionality for optional ad upgrades, to mention just a few.
                  For additional information please visit
                  <a href="http://www.furrycritter.com"><font color="#4E68A4">The Furry Critter Network</font></a>
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                  email: <a href="mailto:[e-mail]">
                  <font color="#4E68A4">[e-mail]</font></a> .<BR><BR>
                  <b>All ads placed
            by rescue organizations are free.</b> If you are involved in a rescue organization and wish to
            publish your information on a high visibility site I invite you to come take a look and register
            your information. The information that you register will be valid for six months at which
            time you will need to place a new ad, again for free. If you are a statewide agency I invite
            you to place your ads in the classifieds by either breed specific information or general rescue.
            If you are part of a national or international organization I invite you to submit a banner ad with the
            dimensions of 468 X 60 either gif or jpg with a hyperlink to your site
            and we will  include you in the randomizer that displays banner ads for national
                  or international rescue organizations on almost every page of the site. Again, I emphasize, <strong>   THIS
            SERVICE   IS FREE TO ANY ANIMAL RESCUE ORGANIZATIONS.</strong>
            Please take advantage. When placing your ad please emphasize
            your organization and facility. <font color="#FF0000"><b>Do not advertise specific animals</b>.</font>
            When filling out your ad do not choose any extra visibility options
            or you will be charged for the ad. After
            filling out your ad simply submit and you will be prompted for credit card information,
            leave this info blank <b>(Rescue Organizations Only)</b> and the ad will be processed and posted. </font></td>
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                          Furry Critter Network would like to take this
                          oppurtunity to thank the Staff and Management of
                          Aniwa.com for their generosity and support in
                          contributing to the Dog & Cat Breed Description  area.
                         <a href="http://www.aniwa.com"><font color="#000000">Aniwa.com</font></a> is a complete
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                  <font size="2" face="Arial">We need your participation. The
                  Furry Critter Network invites you to submit content in your
                  areas of expertise. The articles will be published on the
                  network.
                  The articles if chosen will contain the information you submit
                  along with your logo and a link to your ad in the classifieds.
                  Articles are chosen at the sole discretion of FCN and may be
                  edited for content. Pictures submitted must be free of
                  copyright.</font><p><font size="2" face="Arial">Email your
                  submission  <a href="mailto:[e-mail]">
                  <font color="#4E68A4">[e-mail]</font></a><font color="#4E68A4">
                  </font>be sure to include your logo and any other relevant
                  material. You must be a registered user in the Critter
                  Classifieds and have a current ad on the system. </font>
                  <p><font face="Arial" size="2">We require a current ad on the
                  system so it does not create unfair exposure to the folks who
                  have paid for an existing ad in your area of expertise.</font></td>
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                      <a href="http://www.furrycritter.com/resources/cats/_menu.htm">
                      <font color="#000000">Cat Breed Standards & Information</font></a></b></font><font size="1" face="Arial"> </font>
                      <font size="2" face="Arial">- Complete<BR>FCN will ad additional photos and/or breeds as
                      information becomes available.<b><BR><a href="http://www.furrycritter.com/resources/dog/_menu.htm">
                      <font color="#000000">Dog Breed Standards & Information</font></a></B><font size="1" face="Arial"> </font>
                      <font face="Arial">- Complete<BR>FCN will ad additional photos and/or breeds as
                      information becomes available.</font><b><BR>Horse Breed Standards & Information</b><font size="1" face="Arial">
                      <BR> </font><font face="Arial"><font color="#FF0000">Under Construction</font><BR>FCN is looking for associations to represent specific
                      Equine breeds which would include breed standards, a photo representing the breed
                      (free of copyright) and a link to the association's
                      website.
                      <a href="mailto:[e-mail]">
                      <font color="#4E68A4">[e-mail]</font></a><font color="#4E68A4">
                      </font> </font><b><BR>Bird
                      Species Standards & Information</b><font size="1" face="Arial">
                      <BR> </font><font face="Arial"><font color="#FF0000">Under Construction</font><BR>FCN is looking for associations to represent specific
                      Bird species which would include standards, a photo representing the
                      species (free of copyright) and a link to the
                      association's website.
                      <a href="mailto:[e-mail]">
                      <font color="#4E68A4">[e-mail]</font></a><font color="#4E68A4">
                      </font> </font><b><BR>Rabbit Breed Standards & Information</b><font size="1" face="Arial">
                      <BR> </font><font face="Arial"><font color="#FF0000">Under Construction</font><BR>FCN is looking for associations to represent specific
                      Rabbit species which would include standards, a photo representing the
                      species (free of copyright) and a link to the
                      association's website.
                      <a href="mailto:[e-mail]">
                      <font color="#4E68A4">[e-mail]</font></a><font color="#4E68A4">
                      </font> </font><b><BR>Exotic
                      Species Standards & Information</b><font size="1" face="Arial">
                      <BR> </font><font face="Arial"><font color="#FF0000">Under Construction</font><BR>FCN is looking for associations to represent specific
                      Exotic species which would include standards, a photo representing the
                      species (free of copyright) and a link to the
                      association's website. <font color="#4E68A4"> </font>
                      <a href="mailto:[e-mail]">
                      <font color="#4E68A4">[e-mail]</font></a><font color="#4E68A4">
                      </font> </font><b><BR>
                      Additional Categories will be added based on user request. </b><font size="1" face="Arial"> </font></font></td>
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                  <font face="Arial" color="#4E68A4">The Furry Critter Forum</font></b><BR><BR><font size="2" face="Arial">
                  <i>The humane movement has always faced
            an uphill battle as it competes with other charitable causes for
            support and perhaps in the struggle, many organizations have lost
            more than they have gained. In the need for financial contributions
            they are pressured into telling only what pleases, forced to fight
            only whatÆs popular and limited to speaking out against only that
            which does not offend.<br><br>
            As they have been forced to prostitute reality, the true nature of
            the real suffering of the individual animal is lost to the need to
            survive as an organization.<br>
            <br>
            There have always been those noble individuals who fight for animal
            welfare causes. Public support, being the fickle thing that it is,
            always rises and falls to one cause or another. The masses are often
            unknowingly manipulated into abandoning the real need of those few
            noble organizations with the tenacity to weather the storm of
            popularity. <br>
            <br>
            Public awareness and willingness to contribute to any one of the
            countless worthy causes created by manÆs occupation of planet Earth
            is influenced if not entirely controlled by our media. Special
            interest groups, political ties and individual ambition appear to be
            major influencing factors in directing the distribution of funding.
            In most instances these accumulated trusts are born of the purest of
            intentions. Often times the sympathetic individual contributor
            remains unaware of the underlying currents directing his/her
            contributions.<br>
            <br>
            In my personal experience I have seen the respect earned through
            years of dedication transformed into cynicism and doubt by a single
            lie. IÆve experienced loyal supporters running for cover in the wake
            of nothing more than a cruel, unsubstantiated rumor. Such action by
            anyone can have only one purpose, the destruction of goodness. Who
            suffers? As proven throughout history, the innocent, in this
            instance the innocent are animals living day to day totally unaware
            of their plight.<br>
            <br>
            It is a sad day indeed when one comes to realize that the continued
            success of your lifeÆs work exists precariously hinged on the sway
            of popular opinion. I urge every concerned individual to utilize the
            free will endowed to all of us by our maker. <br>
            <br>
            Gather the facts on your own, have an opinion that is truly yours.
            If you are suspicious, investigate. If you are in doubt, seek the
            truth. If you are opposed, voice your opinion. If you are appalled,
            make it known. DonÆt allow this worlds few remaining noble causes to
            exist forever balanced precariously on the fragile thread of
            popularity. </i> <br>
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Subject: (fractint) More on the FOTD
Date: 13 Sep 2001 11:32:36 EDT


I appreciate the concern of those who feel I should continue the
FOTD, and tell me that by stopping writing I have let the
evil-doers win.  I myself would like to continue the FOTD, but
my mental state will not permit it.  Three people who I know well
(or knew well) are still missing.  If I were younger, I might be
down at the recruiting office, but unfortunately I'm over the
hill and have too many responsibilities to play the soldier game.

I could continue the FOTD, but inflammatory emotional anti-Arab
things and cynical philosophical anti-God things would
inevitably creep in.  I feel that such virulence would do more
harm than good.

When the current crisis passes and things (myself included)
return to something resembling normal, I may indeed resume the
FOTD.  Until then, I'll continue finding fractals and remain
subscribed to the lists.  I'll probably write a few short
stories.  I might even post an occasional parameter file.  But I
will post no FOTD discussions until I feel I can write them in
the proper style.

Until then, if someone wants to speculate why the supposed
all-good-and-powerful God permitted so many innocent people to
be injured and die, I'll be glad to defend my not-very-comforting
suspicion that He does not exist as described.

If anyone feels that this is the wrong time and place to be
discussing the existence or non-existence of God, you already
know why the FOTD was suspended (not as originally stated,
ended).

Jim M.

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From: Programmer Dude <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) More on the FOTD
Date: 13 Sep 2001 11:30:54 -0500

[e-mail] wrote:

> I myself would like to continue the FOTD, but my mental state will not
> permit it. Three people who I know well (or knew well) are still missing.

Jim, my very deepest condolences to you and yours.

> I could continue the FOTD, but inflammatory emotional anti-Arab
> things and cynical philosophical anti-God things would
> inevitably creep in.  I feel that such virulence would do more
> harm than good.

I think we all understand the need to suspend--for a time--those things
that have--for now--lost their meaning.  The human spirit is a powerful
force, and time and that spirit will eventually bring healing.

I'm sure none of us urges you to continue with FOTD during this time of
shock, horror, sadness and pain.  I'm equally sure all of us wishes that
you will, in the fullnes of time, heal and continue life were it was left
off.

I know that for each and every person lost Tuesday there are many, many
left to grieve.  And to wonder how this horror could come to pass.  None
of us, not a single one, is left unchanged.


> Until then, if someone wants to speculate why the supposed
> all-good-and-powerful God permitted so many innocent people to
> be injured and die, I'll be glad to defend my not-very-comforting
> suspicion that He does not exist as described.

This probably isn't the place, unless the group as a whole would like
to discuss this. And perhaps it would be appropriate for this communitte
to talk it out.  What has the rest of the list to say?


As a believer, as one who has experienced God's presense in his life,
I'd like to offer the following:

Where was God when this happened?  I believe God was in the hearts and
minds and hands of all the volunteers who have given so much over the
last--horrifying--48 hours.  I believe God was there to comfort those
who perished.  I believe God is there to comfort those of us who stand
stunned and distant from the events, watching in shock and sadness.

Why did God "let this happen"?  Like any loving parent, God has given
us free will and the ability to determine our own path.  We are allowed
to make our own choices and to determine the course of our heart and of
our spirit.  At some point, parents need to allow their children to go
forth into the world.  They cannot forever shelter and defend their
children.  Not if they want them to fulfill their own destinies.

Why does God allow such horror?  For the same reason God allows such
incredible beauty and such deep love.  The price of freedom is that
evil can abuse it.  The price of great love is virulant hate.  The price
of breath-taking beauty is mind-numbing ugliness.

God has given us great power for good and for building, but the flip side
of that coin is that we also have great power for evil and destruction.
God loves us so much, that we are given these gifts and allowed to choose
our destinies.

Jim, I've had tears in my eyes for two days.  I have much too vivid an
imagination, and I know too much about physics and construction and
explosives.  I project into New York and Washington and those four hi-
jacked flights, and I come undone.  I want to do something.  I want to
be there helping.

So I have some sense of what you--and so many of us--are feeling.  I can
fully appreciate your rage; indeed, I share it.  A part of me wants us to
"nuke those &*$%^# bastards".  Wipe'm out.  Turn the whole disgusting
middle east into a sheet of radioactive glass.

But then I'm no better than them;  my hate no better than theirs.
Justice is appropriate.  We will have justice.  But not revenge.
Ultimately, love is the only answer that truly works.
And love is mostly what God asks of us.

Jim, I'm sure this doesn't help.  A former Senator had a sign on his
desk: This, Too, Shall Pass.  Perhaps those are the only real words
of hope that can be offered meaningfully right now.

This, too, shall pass.

May the peace of God, which passes all understanding, be with you all.

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Subject: (fractint) From: <[e-mail]>
Date: 14 Sep 2001 09:25:46 +1200

I don't really have anything to say.

I was going to describe this cartoon, but the link is more accurate:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/cartoons/cartoondisplay.cfm?storyID=216631&thesectio
n=cartoon

Stand strong. We're thinking of you.

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From: Ken MacLean <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) WTC
Date: 13 Sep 2001 18:47:36 -0400

 Dear fractint members:
if you are lookinbg for an alternative explanation for the WTC
disaster,  go here:
http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articles3/worldtradecenter.html
You won't find any of this mentioned in any news media you listen to, so
it might be worth a look.....
-- Ken


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Subject: Re: (fractint) More on the FOTD
Date: 13 Sep 2001 18:43:27 -0500

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Dera Jim,
<p>I had no idea that "Three people who [you] know well (or knew well)
are still missing."
<p>My condolences.
<p>I went to a prep school which had an extraordinary number of Classsmates
go into In- vestment Banking, and ended up as employees of Morgan Stanley/Dean
Witter, which we all now know was the WTC's principal Tenant, leasing 1/5th
of the 269 collapsed Floors in the WTC.
<p>Another 4 Classmates worked in the Army/Navy G-2 Section of the Pentagon
(located between Corridors 4&6, Rings B & E). All are missing,
excepting 1 who appeared last night at the nearby GWU' Medical Center w/burns
over 70% of his body.
<p>Apparently, despite the rather incredible fact that <b>only 40</b> of
Dean Witter's 3700 employees in WT Tower #1 or #2, or Bldg #5 are un-accounted-for,
apparently <b>30 </b>of the missing-and-presumed-vaporized are my high-school
classmates.
<p>No outpouring of sympathy requested, necessary, or appropriate.
<p>Just an observation: maybe this will be a wake-up call to us all, including
President Dub (as we Texans affectionaltely erfeer to him).
<p>After all, it took JFK the Bay of Pigs, the Vienna Conference, and the
Cuban Missile Crisis to mature him as a national leader. So far about the
only thing I see that Dub's been able to lead is his 17 y.o. daughters
into the drunk tank. Maybe this will mold him into the leader he is apparently
intellectually capable of being.
<p>Freed
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<p>[e-mail] wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>I appreciate the concern of those who feel I should
continue the
<br>FOTD, and tell me that by stopping writing I have let the
<br>evil-doers win.  I myself would like to continue the FOTD, but
<br>my mental state will not permit it.  Three people who I know well
<br>(or knew well) are still missing.  If I were younger, I might
be
<br>down at the recruiting office, but unfortunately I'm over the
<br>hill and have too many responsibilities to play the soldier game.
<p>I could continue the FOTD, but inflammatory emotional anti-Arab
<br>things and cynical philosophical anti-God things would
<br>inevitably creep in.  I feel that such virulence would do more
<br>harm than good.
<p>When the current crisis passes and things (myself included)
<br>return to something resembling normal, I may indeed resume the
<br>FOTD.  Until then, I'll continue finding fractals and remain
<br>subscribed to the lists.  I'll probably write a few short
<br>stories.  I might even post an occasional parameter file.
But I
<br>will post no FOTD discussions until I feel I can write them in
<br>the proper style.
<p>Until then, if someone wants to speculate why the supposed
<br>all-good-and-powerful God permitted so many innocent people to
<br>be injured and die, I'll be glad to defend my not-very-comforting
<br>suspicion that He does not exist as described.
<p>If anyone feels that this is the wrong time and place to be
<br>discussing the existence or non-existence of God, you already
<br>know why the FOTD was suspended (not as originally stated,
<br>ended).
<p>Jim M.
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From: Jim Shaffer Jr. <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) WTC
Date: 13 Sep 2001 22:15:40 -0400

On Thursday 13 September 2001 06:47 pm, Ken MacLean wrote:

> if you are lookinbg for an alternative explanation for the WTC
> disaster,  go here:
> http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articles3/worldtradecenter.html

I would've expected something like this from Bill Cooper rather than David
Icke, but either way my reaction is the same: there is no material evidence,
so his mythos is no better than the Jewish and Muslim ones that led to this
whole mess.




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Subject: Re: (fractint) WTC
Date: 13 Sep 2001 22:48:33 EDT

At 06:47 PM 9/13/01 -0400, Ken MacLean wrote:
> Dear fractint members:
>if you are lookinbg for an alternative explanation for the WTC
>disaster,  go here:
>http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articles3/worldtradecenter.html
>You won't find any of this mentioned in any news media you listen
>to, so it might be worth a look.....
>-- Ken

I have seen this article.  It is interesting and entertaining
reading, but one thing just doesn't make sense:  If the illuminatti
is so secret, so powerful, and so all-pervasive, why do they permit
Mr. Icke to reveal their secret plans?

Jim M.

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From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) WTC
Date: 13 Sep 2001 21:52:17 -0500

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> If the illuminatti is so secret, so powerful,
> and so all-pervasive, why do they permit
> Mr. Icke to reveal their secret plans?
>

So he can advertise his books in every article, and then sell them??

P.N.L.
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Date: 13 Sep 2001 23:02:47 -0400


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Maybe that's it! If the Iluminati killed Mr. Icke,  wouldn't that would
pretty much tend to validate what he is saying? I don't know. I just
posted that for an alternative point of view. I'm not saying it's God's
truth. All I know is that the video of the WTC tower shows it going
straight down, like an imploded building. The odds of that happening in
an "accident" are enormous.
-- Ken

"Paul N. Lee" wrote:

> [e-mail] wrote:
> >
> > If the illuminatti is so secret, so powerful,
> > and so all-pervasive, why do they permit
> > Mr. Icke to reveal their secret plans?
> >
>
> So he can advertise his books in every article, and then sell them??
>
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Maybe that's it! If the Iluminati killed Mr. Icke,  wouldn't that
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posted that for an alternative point of view. I'm not saying it's God's
truth. All I know is that the video of the WTC tower shows it going straight
down, like an imploded building. The odds of that happening in an "accident"
are enormous.
<br>-- Ken
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<br>> If the illuminatti is so secret, so powerful,
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<br>>
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From: kelly christiansen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) WTC
Date: 13 Sep 2001 20:39:20 -0700 (PDT)


--- Ken MacLean <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Maybe that's it! If the Iluminati killed Mr. Icke,  wouldn't that would
> pretty much tend to validate what he is saying? I don't know. I just
> posted that for an alternative point of view. I'm not saying it's God's
> truth. All I know is that the video of the WTC tower shows it going
> straight down, like an imploded building. The odds of that happening in
> an "accident" are enormous.
> -- Ken
>
> "Paul N. Lee" wrote:
>

here is a link to a discussion of exactly why from an archetectural standpoint
the towers fell in the manner that they did

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/57/21641.html

Suggest you go read it

kelly

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From: Tim Wegner <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) More on the FOTD
Date: 13 Sep 2001 22:48:24 -0600

I don't object to some off-topic discussion on the issues Jim has raised relating to the September
11th tragedy. This is an unusual situation that warrants relaxing normal guidelines of keeping on
topic.

I propose these constraints:

1. we put a time limit on it - let's say two weeks maximum.
2. we agree to keep the tone of the discussion civil and considerate, recognizing that some
healing needs to go on. ("Civil" doesn't mean strong feelings can't be expressed - it means civil
and gentle towards other list members.)

If there more traffic on this than someone likes, you can unsubscribe yourself, or if you like, let
me know and I can unsubscribe you and then resubscribe you after the thread dies out or two
weeks is up, whichever comes first.

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From: "Andrew Coppin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) www.fractalus.com
Date: 14 Sep 2001 10:38:37 +0000

The other day, I got an unwanted email. What did it contain? Porn! (My God I
hope the techs don't check my browser cache... why do I get sent this
stuff?!?!) After that, I felt totally distracted, and had a real hard time
concentrating. (Fortunatly I didn't actually NEED to concentrate on anything
at the time!)

Anyway, I remembered some years back visiting www.fractalus.com. So I went
back there and had a browse around.

OH MY GOD!!! Somebody please tell me why on earth I don't look around this
site more often... It's BRILLIANT! I don't know who runs this thing (it's
probably in the small print somewhere), but it's more diverting then porn.
Recommendations don't come much higher than that (certainly not from
university students like me!!!)

Thanks.
Andrew.

PS. OMG! Someone has already beaten me to applying fractal iterations to
photographs... I guess I'm just too slow...


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From: Programmer Dude <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) From: <[e-mail]>
Date: 14 Sep 2001 09:44:40 -0500

[e-mail] wrote:

> ...this cartoon,...

Okay, so now I'm crying for the zillionth time in three days.
That one's a keeper.

> Stand strong. We're thinking of you.

Thank you.  Bless you.

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From: Ken MacLean <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) WTC
Date: 14 Sep 2001 14:40:12 -0400

Kelly -- thanks for that. I read the article, and it postulates 2 scenarios: one,
heat from the jet fuel started raging fires which, due to the interior
load-bearing and exterior lattice structure, caused the buildings to implode. The
other is the controlled demolition scenario. My problem with the former is that if
the interior collapsed first, we should have seen the exterior falling inward,
slightly later than the interior structure. My view of the video shows the whole
thing collapsing at exactly the same time. I just don't think that the heat
explanation covers what I saw.
Anyway, I want to  issue an apology to all on the list. I never should have posted
that link, it is off-topic, and I won't do it again. We are better off discussing
fractals, and I'll save any political commentary for the appropriate forum.
-- Ken

kelly christiansen wrote:

> --- Ken MacLean <[e-mail]> wrote:
> > Maybe that's it! If the Iluminati killed Mr. Icke,  wouldn't that would
> > pretty much tend to validate what he is saying? I don't know. I just
> > posted that for an alternative point of view. I'm not saying it's God's
> > truth. All I know is that the video of the WTC tower shows it going
> > straight down, like an imploded building. The odds of that happening in
> > an "accident" are enormous.
> > -- Ken
> >
> > "Paul N. Lee" wrote:
> >
>
> here is a link to a discussion of exactly why from an archetectural standpoint
> the towers fell in the manner that they did
>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/57/21641.html
>
> Suggest you go read it
>
> kelly
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From: "Ricardo M. Forno" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) WTC
Date: 14 Sep 2001 20:37:22 -0300

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But the tower went down starting from near the top, whereas in an =
"imploding" building charges exploded in the base make it go down from =
the base up. This seems not only politically unexplainable, but also =
nearly physically unexplainable. So I am inclined to agree with the =
explanation given by the newspapers (at least here in Argentina): the =
fire affected the iron structure at the point of impact, making the flat =
(or flats) to collapse. Then the weight of the superimposed flats hit =
the next flat downward, making it collapse, etc. Anyway, it is very =
strange that it did not go to one or the other side and rather went down =
very straight. When the second tower fell, I think I saw a fireball =
coming out from the point of impact, as if an explosion had taken place.
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  Subject: Re: (fractint) WTC


  Maybe that's it! If the Iluminati killed Mr. Icke,  wouldn't that =
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God's truth. All I know is that the video of the WTC tower shows it =
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (fractint) WTC colllapse BS
Date: 14 Sep 2001 20:48:54 -0500

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<b>Fellow Fractaliers/ other assorted speculators:</b>
<p>I haven't even  bothered to read what "Ickes" or whoever said:
<p>I have a PhD in Mechanical Engineering and the ability to listen to
the the WTC Towers' #1 &2 Architect's - as well as <b>Forensic Architects
</b>(yeah, they do exist) comments:
<p>SUMMARIZED, their (rather self-evident) comments are:
<p>You put a 757/767 @ 350 mph, w/ an essentially full load of "Jet Fuel
A" on board into the upper 2/3rds of <b>either of those buildings</b>,
and you can calculate - based on <b>Freshman College-level statics equations</b>,
that the structural steel (<b>melting T = ~1000F; Jet A burns @ 1300F)
will have melted within less than 2-3 hrs, the concret columns will have
been severley thermally weakened as well, and the the rest - we all saw
on TV:</b>
<br><b>CATASTROPHIC FAILURE OF THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE, IN WHICH THE MASS
OF THE UPERMOST 20-30 STORIES LITERALLY JACKHAMMERED THE REST OF THE BUILDING
DOWN WHEN IT "IMPLODED" [COLLAPSED ON ITSELF].</b><b></b>
<p><b>1) had they hit the buildings at the very top (Floors 90-110), <u>there
would not have been adequate mass to cause the structure beneath to collapse</u>;</b><b></b>
<p><b>2) had they hit the buildings at the base (Floors 0-> 40),<u> there
was adequate structural redundancy </u>(re-bar concrete columns spaced
<u><font size=+1><font color="#CC0000">every 3ft</font> </font></u>vs the
"every 12ft" specified by NYC Code) <u>to withstand the specified design
criterion of a direct hit from a fully-fueled 707</u>( which has the approximately
the same <u>fuel capacity</u> and the <u>same fuel</u> as the 757 and/or
767<u>)</u>.</b><b></b>
<p><b>So whatever this circular argument is about, it's meaningless: </b><font color="#CC0000">as
soon as each World Trade Center Tower was hit - <b>below the 90th Floor
-</b> the collapse of the remainder of each building was fore-ordained.</font><font color="#CC0000"></font>
<p><b><font color="#CC0000">I sat there and watched - in complete disbelief
- as Fire and Police Personnel (let alone ordinary Citizens) - were allowed
within a 3-5 block radius of the obviously soon-to-collapse Towers.</font></b>
<p>What's astonishing is that the<b><u><font size=+2> entire NY FD</font></u></b>
was standing in <b>just the right spot to be decimated</b> - <b><u>literally</u></b>
(300 of their 3000 men). Their ignorance of basic engineering fundamentals
is inexcusable. The Management-level (the Chiefs') ignorance is appalling.
And, NO, they didn't do it to "heroically save people"; ther's not ne shred
of evidence that a sinfgle Firefighter knew he was being sent into an area
that was going to be a 100%-FATALITY ZONE. Those poor suckers were simply
sent to thei death because of the stupidity of their superiors.
<p>I expect there will be literally <b><u><font size=+2>$BILLIONS</font></u></b>
in private lawsuits for Wrongful Death because the NYFD Fire Chiefs (who
were on-scene and themselves killed) stupidly let their Personnel into
the area which was predictably going to be a "zero-survivor zone" - subjected
to the collapse we all saw on video.
<p>Freed
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<p>"Ricardo M. Forno" wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE><style></style>
<font size=-1>But the tower went
down starting from near the top, whereas in an "imploding" building charges
exploded in the base make it go down from the base up. This seems not only
politically unexplainable, but also nearly physically unexplainable. So
I am inclined to agree with the explanation given by the newspapers (at
least here in Argentina): the fire affected the iron structure at the point
of impact, making the flat (or flats) to collapse. Then the weight of the
superimposed flats hit the next flat downward, making it collapse, etc.
Anyway, it is very strange that it did not go to one or the other side
and rather went down very straight. When the second tower fell, I think
I saw a fireball coming out from the point of impact, as if an explosion
had taken place.</font>
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  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><b>From:</b><a href="mailto:[e-mail]" title="[e-mail]">Ken
MacLean</a></div>

<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:[e-mail]" title="[e-mail]">[e-mail]</a></div>

<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 14, 2001 12:02
AM</div>

<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: (fractint) WTC</div>
 Maybe that's it! If the Iluminati killed Mr. Icke,  wouldn't
that would pretty much tend to validate what he is saying? I don't know.
I just posted that for an alternative point of view. I'm not saying it's
God's truth. All I know is that the video of the WTC tower shows it going
straight down, like an imploded building. The odds of that happening in
an "accident" are enormous.
<br>-- Ken
<p>"Paul N. Lee" wrote:
<blockquote TYPE="CITE">[e-mail] wrote:
<br>>
<br>> If the illuminatti is so secret, so powerful,
<br>> and so all-pervasive, why do they permit
<br>> Mr. Icke to reveal their secret plans?
<br>>
<p>So he can advertise his books in every article, and then sell them??
<p>P.N.L.
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From: Kathy Roth <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) WTC colllapse BS
Date: 14 Sep 2001 23:41:26 -0700

What I find the most frightening in all of this is that the
people who did this and their supporters clearly had the
education to pilot the planes, and to choose the targets
in this fashion (floor 40-90), and they still thought
it was a good idea to target civilians in this way.
There have always been people who were very crazy
or very violent , but you don't think of them as
quietly fitting in long enough to understand all this.  Or
there's the "mad scientist" of Frankenstein or 60's anti-war
movie legend but you don't picture them working cooperatively
in groups.
The people who did this were sane- that's what is the most
frightening.
Kathy Roth


[e-mail] wrote:
>
(snip)
> SUMMARIZED, their (rather self-evident) comments are:
>
> You put a 757/767 @ 350 mph, w/ an essentially full load of "Jet Fuel
> A" on board into the upper 2/3rds of either of those buildings, and
> you can calculate - based on Freshman College-level statics equations,
> that the structural steel (melting T = ~1000F; Jet A burns @ 1300F)
> will have melted within less than 2-3 hrs, the concret columns will
> have been severley thermally weakened as well, and the the rest - we
> all saw on TV:
> CATASTROPHIC FAILURE OF THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE, IN WHICH THE MASS OF THE
> UPERMOST 20-30 STORIES LITERALLY JACKHAMMERED THE REST OF THE BUILDING
> DOWN WHEN IT "IMPLODED" [COLLAPSED ON ITSELF].
>
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From: Kathy Roth <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) WTC colllapse BS
Date: 14 Sep 2001 23:57:13 -0700

Well, maybe that's wrong- people have always worked
together using the latest technology, from the stone axe to
Hiroshima, to kill each other.  And killing non-combatants
isn't new either- look at the settlement of the US and
the treatment of Indian women and children.  So maybe it's
just that it hits so close to home- or maybe just the idea that
understanding technology in the hands of fanatics is
frightening.
Kathy

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From: "Morgan L. Owens" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) WTC
Date: 15 Sep 2001 19:00:33 +1200

At 20:37 14/09/2001 -0300, Ricardo M. Forno wrote:
>But the tower went down starting from near the top, whereas in an
>"imploding" building charges exploded in the base make it go down from the
>base up. This seems not only politically unexplainable, but also nearly
>physically unexplainable. So I am inclined to agree with the explanation
>given by the newspapers (at least here in Argentina): the fire affected
>the iron structure at the point of impact, making the flat (or flats) to
>collapse. Then the weight of the superimposed flats hit the next flat
>downward, making it collapse, etc. Anyway, it is very strange that it did
>not go to one or the other side and rather went down very straight.

As you said yourself, when a building is demolished by implosion the
charges are planted at the base. More exactly, they're put throughout the
building and timed so as to aim the debris inwards - any bits that are to
fall have their supports removed on the inward side first.

But the damage to the WTC towers was near the top, and that's where it
started to fall. Their bases were fine, and remained so until the wreckage
fell on them from above; no damage or weakened points to crumple and serve
as pivots around which a toppling could take place.

Since the upper floors fell inward at the start, they were funnelled down
and inwards by the shell surrounding the floors below - until it gave way
and burst, floor by floor.

After that it was all momentum.

Morgan L. Owens
"The scale still hasn't struck me yet."


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From:     John Lewis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) www.fractalus.com
Date: 15 Sep 2001 08:18:56 +0100

On Fri, 14 Sep 2001 10:38:37 +0000, Andrew Coppin wrote:

Anyway, I remembered some years back visiting www. fractalus.=
 com. So
I went back there and had a browse around.

OH MY GOD!!! Somebody please tell me why on earth I don't look=
 around
this site more often... It's BRILLIANT! I don't know who runs=
 this
thing


Andrew

thanks for drawing my attention to this site.
However, do you know what the message is at the top right corner=
 - it
does not display properly on m PC (Opera/Win Me), please?

John
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From: "Scott D. Boyd" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) www.fractalus.com
Date: 15 Sep 2001 17:20:09 -0500

On Saturday 15 September 2001 02:18, John wrote:
>
> thanks for drawing my attention to this site.
> However, do you know what the message is at the top right corner - it
> does not display properly on m PC (Opera/Win Me), please?
>
> John
> -- John Lewis, [e-mail] on 09/15/2001

If you don't have your mouse pointer over the graphic in the center (which is
a map), the default message to the upper right is:

Welcome!
If you're looking for the Fractal-Art 2000 Contest, it's on it's own site
this year, so head on over to www.contest2k.com and take a look. Same people,
same contest, just a new site! (Don't forget to come back here when you're
done.)

The message displayed depends on where your mouse pointer is at, and is
dependant on Javascript, which I don't think works correctly with the Opera
browser.

Scott Boyd

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From: kelly christiansen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) www.fractalus.com
Date: 15 Sep 2001 15:42:45 -0700 (PDT)

the site belongs to Damien Jones I believe.

Another site you might want to check out is www.ultrafractal.com

--- "Scott D. Boyd" <[e-mail]> wrote:
> On Saturday 15 September 2001 02:18, John wrote:
> >
> > thanks for drawing my attention to this site.
> > However, do you know what the message is at the top right corner - it
> > does not display properly on m PC (Opera/Win Me), please?
> >
> > John
> > -- John Lewis, [e-mail] on 09/15/2001
>
> If you don't have your mouse pointer over the graphic in the center (which is
>
> a map), the default message to the upper right is:
>
> Welcome!
> If you're looking for the Fractal-Art 2000 Contest, it's on it's own site
> this year, so head on over to www.contest2k.com and take a look. Same people,
>
> same contest, just a new site! (Don't forget to come back here when you're
> done.)
>
> The message displayed depends on where your mouse pointer is at, and is
> dependant on Javascript, which I don't think works correctly with the Opera
> browser.
>
> Scott Boyd
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From: "Damien M. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) www.fractalus.com
Date: 15 Sep 2001 18:44:05 -0400

John,

 - thanks for drawing my attention to this site.
 - However, do you know what the message is at the top right corner - it
 - does not display properly on m PC (Opera/Win Me), please?

Andrew already responded with the correct text. I'm sorry about the
JavaScript not working with Opera; there's supposed to be some sniffer code
that redirects affected users to a JavaScript-less page, but I guess it's
not working with your browser/OS combo.

I'm working on a revision and expansion of the site, which is why I haven't
fixed the code that's there. I don't know when it's going to be ready.

Thanks for visiting, though. Several of the artists exhibiting there are
long-time FractInt users.

Damien M. Jones   \\
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                    \\  http://www.fractalus.com/

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From: "Damien M. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) www.fractalus.com
Date: 15 Sep 2001 21:30:55 -0400

Whoops!

 - Andrew already responded with the correct text.

Actually Scott did that. Sorry, Scott!

Damien M. Jones   \\
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From: Mark Christenson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Colors of Freedom (a PAR)
Date: 16 Sep 2001 11:41:12 -0700

comment { ramblings by Mark "Bud" Christenson 9/16/01

It has been quite a while since I posted a PAR, but I was
inspired.  I had a rather odd-looking fractal found at the end
of August that I was trying to decide how to color.  Last
week's events sealed its fate.

Three colors which mean freedom to so many around the
world (more countries use only two of the three), with gold
trim.

}

gjv3-0#            { ; "Colors of Freedom", (c) Mark "Bud" Christenson 2001
(15 Sept)
  reset=2000 type=formula formulafile=frac_ml.frm
  formulaname=gravijul-v3 function=tanh/sinh/acos passes=t
  center-mag=-0.947/0.539/5.81/1/90 params=-0.96/-0.457/0/0.15/4/0
  float=y maxiter=151 inside=0 decomp=256 periodicity=0
  cyclerange=0/255 sound=beep/fm
  colors=000zzz<11>eezcczaaz<3>WWzVVyUUy<3>PPuOOtNNs<19>55_44Z33Y22X11W00U\
  <14>EENFFNGGM<2>JJLKKKLLL<14>hhhjjjkkklll<3>ssstttvvvxxxzzz<45>HHH<4>CCC\
  <25>p33r22s22<3>z00<14>e00d00b00<3>X00ROA<6>`XHbZId_J<3>idNjeNkfOmgPohQ<\
  3>unUwpVyrW0`0<25>0z0
  }

frm:gravijul-v3 { ; Variation on Mark Christenson's gravijul by Sylvie Gallet
   z = pixel:
   w = fn1(z)
   z = fn3(fn2(w*w)^p1) + p2
    |z| < p3
  }



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Subject: (fractint) FOTD  17-09-01  (Fractal Diversion [5])
Date: 17 Sep 2001 00:47:16 EDT


FOTD -- September 17, 2001 (Rating 5)

Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts:

It's been five days since the last FOTD.  I'm still in a pretty
down mood, but despite conditions, I've still managed to create
a few fractals.  One of them I found worthy of being declared
FOTD for September 17.

The formula that drew the image is 0.5(Z^2.22)+Z^(-2)+(1/C), one
that I picked almost at random.  I named the picture "Fractal
Diversion", because searching for fractals is a great way to
fight a spell of brooding.  The image is about average in
quality, rating a 6.

The parameter file renders in 10 minutes; the GIF image
downloads in 1/10th that time from:

          <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html>

or from:

          <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html>

The fractal weather today was perfectly perfect, with cloudless
blue skies void of even the usual contrails.  The fractal cats
enjoyed the temperature of 77F 25C by sleeping together in their
favorite porch chair.

As for me, I'm still in a kind of funk, thinking of more
questions that the wisest person could answer.  Once I get my
thoughts and questions organized, I'll post them to the
philofractal list.  I'll try to return in 24 hours or so with
another FOTD, but there is no guarantee.  Until next time,
whenever than may be, take care, and be of stout heart.


Jim Muth
[e-mail]


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From: "Andrew Coppin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) My World 1st (?) in Fractals...
Date: 17 Sep 2001 12:42:15 +0000

Hello people.

Kerry may have beaten me to applying fractal mappings to photographs, but I
am hitting back with what I believe is a world first!

Is anyone here familier with the WinAmp software? Any regular WinAmp user
should know about Nullsoft's AVS - Advanced Visualisation System. In case
you've never heard of it, I'll try to explain...

Firstly, "WinAmp" is short for "Windows Amplifier". Tt's a music player; it
plays mp3's and so forth. And it has different kinds of plugings; "input"
pluggins allow it to play new file formats (.mp3, .wav, .aiff, etc).
"output" pluggins allow it to play through new hardware. "dsp" pluggins add
echos and other sound effects. And, of course, "visualisation" pluggins
gererate pretty pictures that dance to the music! 8-)

Once upon a time, WinAmp visualisation pluggins were things that drew
osciliscope traces, maybe TTF scopes, etc, all in loving 16 colour 320x240
VGA. Then suddenly Gueiss came along! This thing draws in 256 colours.
Basically, it draws a normal osciliscope trace. But on the next frame,
instead of clearing the previouse image, in "warps" it (and blurs it too),
and then draws the next frame of osciliscope over the top. The result?
Swirling, spiralling, twisting, turning osciliscope traces in mind-blowing
colour schemes! (Very yummy!)

Now, Gueiss has a number of "delta maps" - zoom in, zoom out, zoom & rotate,
quadratic zoom (zooms faster round the edges then the middle for a
"perspective"/"tunnel" effect), etc, etc. It even has one which looks like
ripples on water! Anyway, AVS extends the idea - but here, like FractInt,
you can enter your own formulas for the delta maps! ;-)

A formula like "x=1.01*x; y=1.01*y;" gives your standard "zoom" delta map.
Now, instead of looking at each pixel and calculating where to write it's
colour value to (which would cause all sorts of aliasing artifacts), AVS
looks at each pixel and uses the formula to work out where to read that
pixel's new colour from.

The long and short of it is, if you delete the above formula and substitute,
say, "x=x*x-y*y+0.3; y+2*x*y+0.1;", then the osciliscope trace magically
morphs into the shape of a quadratic Julia set!!! (Well... actually I
simplify! See below.) And it looks totally trippy! #8-0 And it crawls at an
unimpressive 7fps at 800x600 (mind you, AVS never was that fast - the fact
that the interpreter can reinterpret the formula for all 800x600 individual
pixels 7 times in just one second is impressive!) What's more, you can get
the Julia seed (c) to vary with the beat of the music ;-)

...

So what are the simplifications I've left out? Well, first of all, "x=...;
y=...;" won't work. You have to write something like "t=...; y=...; x=t;",
otherwise the new Y is calculated from the old Y but the new X (WRONG!)
Next, WinAmp's coordinate axis (very helpfully) runs from -1 to +1 on both
axis (so the user can resize the window without upsetting the graphics). So
you have to scale that to +/- 2 instead. All in all, the complete formula
is:

zr=x*2;
zi=y*1.5;
nr=zr*zr - zi*zi + cr;
ni=2*zr*zi + ci;
x=nr/2;
y=ni/1.5;

Why the difference is scaling factor? To correct the aspect ratio! (Don't
quite know why I need to, but the above formula produces an "unsquashed"
Julia... I guess WinAmp is automatically [over] correcting or something.)

...


One final thing... can someone construct a formula for me? I want a formula
of the form f(t) such that f(0) = 0.25, f(pi)=-0.75, and f(pi/2)=0.7i... in
short, a parametric formula which will trace out the shape of the main
Mandelbrot "blob". (But not the infinity of buds attached to it of course!
Just the period 1 region.) Can this be done? I was thinking maybe something
along the lines of
  f(t)=(cos t, sin t)*g(t)
though I still have to work out what g(t) is... maybe?

Thanks.
Andrew.


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTD  17-09-01  (Fractal Diversion [5])
Date: 17 Sep 2001 08:45:27 -0500

Jim -

Glad you felt like doing a few more. Thanks for brightening up my Monday
morning.

D. Freed

[e-mail] wrote:

> FOTD -- September 17, 2001 (Rating 5)
>
> Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts:
>
> It's been five days since the last FOTD.  I'm still in a pretty
> down mood, but despite conditions, I've still managed to create
> a few fractals.  One of them I found worthy of being declared
> FOTD for September 17.
>
> The formula that drew the image is 0.5(Z^2.22)+Z^(-2)+(1/C), one
> that I picked almost at random.  I named the picture "Fractal
> Diversion", because searching for fractals is a great way to
> fight a spell of brooding.  The image is about average in
> quality, rating a 6.
>
> The parameter file renders in 10 minutes; the GIF image
> downloads in 1/10th that time from:
>
>           <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html>
>
> or from:
>
>           <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html>
>
> The fractal weather today was perfectly perfect, with cloudless
> blue skies void of even the usual contrails.  The fractal cats
> enjoyed the temperature of 77F 25C by sleeping together in their
> favorite porch chair.
>
> As for me, I'm still in a kind of funk, thinking of more
> questions that the wisest person could answer.  Once I get my
> thoughts and questions organized, I'll post them to the
> philofractal list.  I'll try to return in 24 hours or so with
> another FOTD, but there is no guarantee.  Until next time,
> whenever than may be, take care, and be of stout heart.
>
> Jim Muth
> [e-mail]
>
> START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================
>
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> |z| < l
> }
>
> END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE==================================
>
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From: Ken MacLean <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTD  17-09-01  (Fractal Diversion [5])
Date: 17 Sep 2001 11:51:57 -0400

Thanks Jim for getting back in the saddle!


[e-mail] wrote:

> FOTD -- September 17, 2001 (Rating 5)
>
> Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts:
>
> It's been five days since the last FOTD.  I'm still in a pretty
> down mood, but despite conditions, I've still managed to create
> a few fractals.  One of them I found worthy of being declared
> FOTD for September 17.
>
> The formula that drew the image is 0.5(Z^2.22)+Z^(-2)+(1/C), one
> that I picked almost at random.  I named the picture "Fractal
> Diversion", because searching for fractals is a great way to
> fight a spell of brooding.  The image is about average in
> quality, rating a 6.
>
> The parameter file renders in 10 minutes; the GIF image
> downloads in 1/10th that time from:
>
>           <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html>
>
> or from:
>
>           <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html>
>
> The fractal weather today was perfectly perfect, with cloudless
> blue skies void of even the usual contrails.  The fractal cats
> enjoyed the temperature of 77F 25C by sleeping together in their
> favorite porch chair.
>
> As for me, I'm still in a kind of funk, thinking of more
> questions that the wisest person could answer.  Once I get my
> thoughts and questions organized, I'll post them to the
> philofractal list.  I'll try to return in 24 hours or so with
> another FOTD, but there is no guarantee.  Until next time,
> whenever than may be, take care, and be of stout heart.
>
> Jim Muth
> [e-mail]
>
> START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================
>
> Fractal_Diversion  { ; time=0:10:00.34--SF5 on a P200
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>
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> |z| < l
> }
>
> END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE==================================
>
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From: Programmer Dude <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTD  17-09-01  (Fractal Diversion [5])
Date: 17 Sep 2001 10:59:31 -0500

[e-mail] wrote:

> FOTD -- September 17, 2001 (Rating 5)

Welcome back, Jim!

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From:     John Lewis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTD  17-09-01  (Fractal Diversion [5])
Date: 17 Sep 2001 07:37:15 +0100

Jim

Thanks for the new FOTD. Its one thing I looked forward to each=
 day.

John
-- John Lewis, [e-mail] on 09/17/2001



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From: "Morgan L. Owens" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) My World 1st (?) in Fractals...
Date: 18 Sep 2001 22:43:06 +1200

At 12:42 17/09/2001 +0000, Andrwew Coppin wrote:

>....The long and short of it is, if you delete the above formula and
>substitute, say, "x=x*x-y*y+0.3; y+2*x*y+0.1;", then the osciliscope trace
>magically morphs into the shape of a quadratic Julia set!!!

And I read this after tinkering with AVS while carrying out my role as
unofficial office DJ for the past few weeks. 'Scuse me while I bang my
forehead against the desk.


>a parametric formula which will trace out the shape of the main Mandelbrot
>"blob". (But not the infinity of buds attached to it of course! Just the
>period 1 region.) Can this be done? I was thinking maybe something along
>the lines of
>  f(t)=(cos t, sin t)*g(t)
>though I still have to work out what g(t) is... maybe?

If you mean the cardioid, I guess f(t)=(cos t,sin t)*a*(1+cos(t)) would be
a place to start.

Morgan L. Owens
"*bonk*bonk*bonk*"


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (fractint) FOTD  18-09-01  (In a Remote Valley [4])
Date: 18 Sep 2001 11:14:20 EDT


FOTD -- September 18, 2001 (Rating 4)

Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts:

I'm feeling a bit more optimistic today, but still on the down
side -- not so far down however that I couldn't find a fractal.

Today's fractal offering, which is a scene in a remote valley of
the Mandelbrot set, rates a less-than-average 4.  It's an
unassuming image, showing a midget typical of many in the more
remote valleys.

I named the rather somber image "In a Remote Valley", a poetic
name with just the slightest hint of darkness.  The image
renders in 13 minutes from the parameter file.  It downloads
much faster from:

          <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html>

or from:

          <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html>

But before going for the download, give Paul and Scott a chance
to render and post the GIF image.

The fractal weather today was very pleasant, with sunny skies, a
temperature of 81F 27C, and light winds.  The fractal cats, who
enjoy such conditions, took their enjoyment on the porch and in
the yard.

On the philosophical side, some major changes in my
philosophical outlook have taken place.  I'll go into details in
future FOTD messages posted to the philofractal list, but in
brief, I now consider myself a confirmed theist rather than an
agnostic.  I am fully convinced that God is more than just a
comforting idea that exists only in the human mind.  Also, due
to recent personal experiences, I am now convinced that at least
some of the things currently considered paranormal are in fact
real, and involve a transcendental spiritual world, which is
every bit as real as the physical.  Sharing these discoveries
will become the major focus of the philofractal version of the
FOTD.  For those who prefer their fractals without philosophy,
the fractint version will remain philosophy free.

Until next time, take care, and see you soon.


Jim Muth
[e-mail]


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From: Programmer Dude <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTD  18-09-01  (In a Remote Valley [4])
Date: 18 Sep 2001 12:36:34 -0500

[e-mail] wrote:

> On the philosophical side, some major changes in my
> philosophical outlook have taken place.  I'll go into details in
> future FOTD messages posted to the philofractal list, but in
> brief, I now consider myself a confirmed theist rather than an
> agnostic.  I am fully convinced that God is more than just a
> comforting idea that exists only in the human mind.  Also, due
> to recent personal experiences, I am now convinced that at least
> some of the things currently considered paranormal are in fact
> real, and involve a transcendental spiritual world, which is
> every bit as real as the physical.

Wow!  That IS quite a change.  Kewl!!

> Sharing these discoveries will become the major focus of the
> philofractal version of the FOTD.

I think I'll have to join that list just to see what you have
to say.  Looking forward to it!

regards,
-Chris

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTD  18-09-01  (In a Remote Valley [4])
Date: 18 Sep 2001 13:09:57 -0500

Really. This could be catching. God?????

Programmer Dude wrote:

> [e-mail] wrote:
>
> > On the philosophical side, some major changes in my
> > philosophical outlook have taken place.  I'll go into details in
> > future FOTD messages posted to the philofractal list, but in
> > brief, I now consider myself a confirmed theist rather than an
> > agnostic.  I am fully convinced that God is more than just a
> > comforting idea that exists only in the human mind.  Also, due
> > to recent personal experiences, I am now convinced that at least
> > some of the things currently considered paranormal are in fact
> > real, and involve a transcendental spiritual world, which is
> > every bit as real as the physical.
>
> Wow!  That IS quite a change.  Kewl!!
>
> > Sharing these discoveries will become the major focus of the
> > philofractal version of the FOTD.
>
> I think I'll have to join that list just to see what you have
> to say.  Looking forward to it!
>
> regards,
> -Chris
>
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From: Programmer Dude <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Flag Bitmaps
Date: 18 Sep 2001 12:59:34 -0500

Those who don't already have something like this, but who would like
an American Flag for their Windows Wallpaper can get them from my website
at:

     http://www.Sonnack.com/WillCall/Flag.html

Three sizes available.

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From: Ken MacLean <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTD  18-09-01  (In a Remote Valley [4])
Date: 18 Sep 2001 16:27:35 -0400

Jim --
Because I enjoy your philosophizing so much and am new to the fractint
list, would you give me the link to the "philofractal" version of FOTD?
I totally agree with your take on the reality of a transcendental
spiritual world.
- Ken

[e-mail] wrote:

> FOTD -- September 18, 2001 (Rating 4)
>
> Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts:
>
> I'm feeling a bit more optimistic today, but still on the down
> side -- not so far down however that I couldn't find a fractal.
>
> Today's fractal offering, which is a scene in a remote valley of
> the Mandelbrot set, rates a less-than-average 4.  It's an
> unassuming image, showing a midget typical of many in the more
> remote valleys.
>
> I named the rather somber image "In a Remote Valley", a poetic
> name with just the slightest hint of darkness.  The image
> renders in 13 minutes from the parameter file.  It downloads
> much faster from:
>
>           <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html>
>
> or from:
>
>           <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html>
>
> But before going for the download, give Paul and Scott a chance
> to render and post the GIF image.
>
> The fractal weather today was very pleasant, with sunny skies, a
> temperature of 81F 27C, and light winds.  The fractal cats, who
> enjoy such conditions, took their enjoyment on the porch and in
> the yard.
>
> On the philosophical side, some major changes in my
> philosophical outlook have taken place.  I'll go into details in
> future FOTD messages posted to the philofractal list, but in
> brief, I now consider myself a confirmed theist rather than an
> agnostic.  I am fully convinced that God is more than just a
> comforting idea that exists only in the human mind.  Also, due
> to recent personal experiences, I am now convinced that at least
> some of the things currently considered paranormal are in fact
> real, and involve a transcendental spiritual world, which is
> every bit as real as the physical.  Sharing these discoveries
> will become the major focus of the philofractal version of the
> FOTD.  For those who prefer their fractals without philosophy,
> the fractint version will remain philosophy free.
>
> Until next time, take care, and see you soon.
>
> Jim Muth
> [e-mail]
>
> START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================
>
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From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTD  18-09-01  (In a Remote Valley [4])
Date: 18 Sep 2001 17:38:02 -0500

Chris J. Sonnack (Programmer Dude) wrote:
>
> [e-mail] wrote:
> >
> > Sharing these discoveries will become the major
> > focus of the philofractal version of the FOTD.
>
> I think I'll have to join that list just to see what
> you have to say.  Looking forward to it!
>

and Ken MacLean wrote:
>
> Because I enjoy your philosophizing so much and am
> new to the fractint list, would you give me the link
> to the "philofractal" version of FOTD?
>

The two web sites, mine and Scott's, have both versions of the
Discussions.  Scott uses Jim's sometimes shorter posting to the FractInt
List, and I have always used the longer version from the PhiloFractal
List:

          <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html>
and
          <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html>


But for those that also wish to get into the "thick of things", here is
the information requested:

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From: "Andrew Coppin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) My World 1st (?) in Fractals...
Date: 19 Sep 2001 09:28:04 +0000

>From: "Morgan L. Owens" <[e-mail]>
>Reply-To: [e-mail]
>To: [e-mail]
>Subject: Re: (fractint) My World 1st (?) in Fractals...
>Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 22:43:06 +1200
>
>At 12:42 17/09/2001 +0000, Andrwew Coppin wrote:
>
>>....The long and short of it is, if you delete the above formula and
>>substitute, say, "x=x*x-y*y+0.3; y+2*x*y+0.1;", then the osciliscope trace
>>magically morphs into the shape of a quadratic Julia set!!!
>
>And I read this after tinkering with AVS while carrying out my role as
>unofficial office DJ for the past few weeks.

You? A DJ? Oh well... Sorry I didn't post sooner! ;-)

>'Scuse me while I bang my forehead against the desk.

Ooo that's gotta hurt!

>>a parametric formula which will trace out the shape of the main Mandelbrot
>>"blob". (But not the infinity of buds attached to it of course! Just the
>>period 1 region.) Can this be done? I was thinking maybe something along
>>the lines of
>>  f(t)=(cos t, sin t)*g(t)
>>though I still have to work out what g(t) is... maybe?
>
>If you mean the cardioid, I guess f(t)=(cos t,sin t)*a*(1+cos(t)) would be
>a place to start.

Right... will try... (What the heck is $a$?)

>Morgan L. Owens
>"*bonk*bonk*bonk*"

The sweet sound of pain...

...

By the way... usually if the coordinates go offscreen AVS linearly
extrapolates the pixel colours... but if you turn "wrap" mode on, then
instead when the coordinates go off one edge they wrap round to the other
side... the result is a kalidescrope of Julias! 8-0 You really must try
this! 8-D

Thanks.
Andrew.


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From: "Morgan L. Owens" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) My World 1st (?) in Fractals...
Date: 19 Sep 2001 22:08:31 +1200

At 09:28 19/09/2001 +0000, Andrew Coppin wrote:
>>From: "Morgan L. Owens" <[e-mail]>
>>If you mean the cardioid, I guess f(t)=(cos t,sin t)*a*(1+cos(t)) would be
>>a place to start.
>
>Right... will try... (What the heck is $a$?)

Oh, yeah, sorry - that's just a generic scaling parameter.

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"Not a very good DJ"


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From: "Rupert Millard" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) My World 1st (?) in Fractals...
Date: 19 Sep 2001 12:33:50 +0000

Hi,

>One final thing... can someone construct a formula for me? I want a formula
>of the form f(t) such that f(0) = 0.25, f(pi)=-0.75, and f(pi/2)=0.7i... in
>short, a parametric formula which will trace out the shape of the main
>Mandelbrot "blob". (But not the infinity of buds attached to it of course!
>Just the period 1 region.) Can this be done? I was thinking maybe something
>along the lines of
>  f(t)=(cos t, sin t)*g(t)
>though I still have to work out what g(t) is... maybe?

You can find the formula that you're looking for here:

http://home.earthlink.net/~mrob/pub/muency/r2a.html

Mu-Ency doesn't seem to be very well known and, although a lot of the links
are dead (as it is split across domains) it is a bible for any body who
likes the Mandelbrot Set. It's homepage is here:

http://home.earthlink.net/~mrob/pub/muency.html

Rupert

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (fractint) FOTD  19-09-01  (Midget with Dewdrops [6])
Date: 19 Sep 2001 11:18:14 EDT


FOTD -- September 19, 2001 (Rating 6)

Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts:

As my mood lightens, the fractals are coming easier.  Today's
fractal for example took me all of 5 minutes to find and all of
50 seconds to render.  The iterated formula subtracts Z^(-1.1)
from Z^(-0.9).  The tiny difference is then multiplied by a
factor of -548.998 before adding 1/C.  The real(p3) parameter is
extremely critical, the slightest change resulting in a totally
different image.

The midget at the center of the image is actually located on the
negative stem of the tiny M-set that forms the parent fractal.
(Since the stem points east, I guess it's a positive stem.)  The
sparkling features surrounding the midget remind me of dewdrops
on a spider web.  These dewdrops inspired the descriptive but
not very poetic name "Midget with Dewdrops".  The picture seems
just a bit above average as FOTD's go, and as a result has been
given a rating of 6.

An additional good point of the image is its speed.  The
parameter file renders in under one minute, leaving the trip to
Paul's web site at:

          <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html>

or to Scott's site at:

          <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html>

up to the discretion of the reader.  The benefit of the download
is the effort saved in copying this letter to your Fractint file
in text format and giving it a .par extension.  The drawback is
that the image will not be available at the two sites until Paul
and Scott have had a chance to render and post it.

The fractal weather today was partly cloudy with a temperature
of 83F 28C -- conditions the fractal cats found ideal.  The
dynamic duo showed their approval by sleeping side-by-side on
the porch chair from 11am until 4pm.

That's it for now.  Until next time, take care, and the best is
yet to come.


Jim Muth
[e-mail]


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|z| < l
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Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTD  19-09-01  (Midget with Dewdrops [6])
Date: 19 Sep 2001 12:23:46 -0500

<!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
<html>
Fellow Fractaliers -
<p>Today's FOTD illustrates the unique - and practical - insights Jim and
his body of work represent (and offer additional support for the eventual
production of a CD-ROM):
<p>Has anyone out there <b>ever</b> seen in the literature - or anywhere
else - the information that "- 548.998" is critical to the appearance of
this particular fractal image?? I certainly haven't.
<p><i>"The iterated formula subtracts Z^(-1.1) from Z^(-0.9).  The
tiny difference is then multiplied by a factor of <b>-548.998</b> before
adding 1/C.  The real(p3) parameter is</i>
<br><i>extremely critical, <u>the slightest change resulting in a totally
different image</u>."</i>
<p>Several similar examples occurred in Jim's Commentaries accompanying
his FOTD's in August; things that might be dismissed by others as esoteric,
but whose ultimate mathematical implications are - I would argue - simply
not yet appreciated or understood.
<p>Finally, the fact that:
<p><i>"[it] took me all of 5 minutes to find and all of 50 seconds to render."</i>
<p>simply underlines the motherlode that remains to be mined.
<p>Long live the FOTD.
<p>D. Freed
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<p>[e-mail] wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>FOTD -- September 19, 2001 (Rating 6)
<p>Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts:
<p>As my mood lightens, the fractals are coming easier.  Today's
<br>fractal for example took me all of 5 minutes to find and all of
<br>50 seconds to render.  The iterated formula subtracts Z^(-1.1)
<br>from Z^(-0.9).  The tiny difference is then multiplied by a
<br>factor of -548.998 before adding 1/C.  The real(p3) parameter
is
<br>extremely critical, the slightest change resulting in a totally
<br>different image.
<p>The midget at the center of the image is actually located on the
<br>negative stem of the tiny M-set that forms the parent fractal.
<br>(Since the stem points east, I guess it's a positive stem.)  The
<br>sparkling features surrounding the midget remind me of dewdrops
<br>on a spider web.  These dewdrops inspired the descriptive but
<br>not very poetic name "Midget with Dewdrops".  The picture seems
<br>just a bit above average as FOTD's go, and as a result has been
<br>given a rating of 6.
<p>An additional good point of the image is its speed.  The
<br>parameter file renders in under one minute, leaving the trip to
<br>Paul's web site at:
<p>          <<a href="http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html">http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html</a>>
<p>or to Scott's site at:
<p>          <<a href="http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html">http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html</a>>
<p>up to the discretion of the reader.  The benefit of the download
<br>is the effort saved in copying this letter to your Fractint file
<br>in text format and giving it a .par extension.  The drawback is
<br>that the image will not be available at the two sites until Paul
<br>and Scott have had a chance to render and post it.
<p>The fractal weather today was partly cloudy with a temperature
<br>of 83F 28C -- conditions the fractal cats found ideal.  The
<br>dynamic duo showed their approval by sleeping side-by-side on
<br>the porch chair from 11am until 4pm.
<p>That's it for now.  Until next time, take care, and the best is
<br>yet to come.
<p>Jim Muth
<br>[e-mail]
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<br>a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2),
<br>g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j,
<br>k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel):
<br>z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c,
<br>|z| < l
<br>}
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From: Silberg Marcel R <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Old PAR file ?!?
Date: 20 Sep 2001 12:07:48 +0200

I have some old .PAR files for a wery important fractal. The file looks like
this:

-c-0.064066852367688,-0.100278551532034,4.094707520891365 -t250 -i246 -MG2
-f123  -u60,120,30,100,255,200

Can anyone tell me how to generate this fractal again ?? Please !!

Marcel

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From: Jim Muth <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) FOTD  20-09-01  (Fractured Hysteria [5])
Date: 20 Sep 2001 11:04:15 -0400 (EDT)


FOTD -- September 19, 2001 (Rating 5)

Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts:

Today's fractal lies at the very edge of resolution, so close in
fact that to make the parameter file draw the proper image, I
needed to insert a <mathtolerance=/1> command into it by hand.

The image was created by the simple formula 100(Z^6)+(Z^2)+C,
which was iterated up to 700 times for each pixel.  The parent
fractal resembles a 2-headed Mandeloid which is not quite
critical.  Today's scene is located on a filament of a larger
midget, which in turn is located on a still larger filament
extending from one of the two large eastern bays.

There is a hysterical air to the entire scene, which consists of
twisted and tortured filaments.  The name "Fractured Hysteria"
was inspired by this hysteric appearance.  The name is not a
sign that I am hysterical.

Though the parameter file renders in almost exactly 5 minutes on
a tired old Pentium 200mhz machine, the best and most convenient
way of viewing the image is to give Paul and Scott a chance to
render it and post it to their web sites at:

          <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html>

and at:

          <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html>

and to download the image from there.

The fractal weather today was a bit more humid, but still very
pleasant, with a temperature of 81F 27C.  Needing little to
satisfy them, the fractal cats lounged most of the day in the
porch chair, watching the birds fly by.  When one careless bird
wandered a bit too close, Tippy chattered and thrashed his tail
at it.  Of course, the chattering chased the bird off.  The
fractal cats seem to be losing their natural instincts for
catching their own food.

As for right now, I'm going to get at least a little work done.
Maybe I'll finish before sunset.  Until next time, take care,
and beware.


Jim Muth
[e-mail]


START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================

Fractured_Hysteria { ; time=0:05:00.02--SF5 on a P200
  reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=allinone.frm
  formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=ident passes=1
  center-mag=+0.34466694538467100/+0.160880109814676\
  90/1.15108e+013/1/180 params=100/6/1/2/0/0 float=y
  maxiter=700 inside=0 logmap=96 mathtolerance=/1
  colors=000AAyAAzAAxAAuAArAAnBAiDBdJCXP7OT1D_04d00i\
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  XzOPzGJz9FzCAzD6zG1zI0zL0zM0zO0zT0z_6zdCzjIzpOzvSz\
  zlzzmzzmzzmzzmzz_zzQzzzzz
  }

frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth
a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2),
g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j,
k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel):
z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c,
|z| < l
}

END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE==================================


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (fractint) FOTD  21-09-01  (The Fractal Blues [7])
Date: 21 Sep 2001 11:09:24 EDT


FOTD -- September 21, 2001 (Rating 7)

Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts:

I seem to be pulling myself out of the blue mood I've been in
for the past week or so.  What better time to post a moody blue
fractal, and name it "The Fractal Blues"?  Things are very busy
today however, so this will have to be a short discussion.

The formula behind today's image, (Z^4)+2(Z^3)+(1/C), is a very
simple one, as are the formulae behind nearly all of my images.
All the excitement has been added by the <tdis> outside
coloring.  I keep the formulae simple because I am frugal.  I
enjoy doing a lot with a little.  And what better way to express
frugality than with a fractal -- a mathematical object that
finds infinity in a teacup?

I rated today's image at an above-average 7.  I kind of like the
feeling of depth it gives.

The parameter file renders in just under 4 minutes.  The file of
the image is available in GIF format on the W.W.W. at:

          <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html>

and:

          <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html>

But before visiting give Paul and Scott a chance to post it.

The fractal weather today (the 20th) was very strained, with a
temperature of 72F 22C and heavy clouds that let loose several
torrential but brief downpours.  The whole day climaxed at
10:30pm when a violent thunder-and-hail storm passed over,
frightening the fractal cats into hiding.

It's now time to get busy and do what needs to be done.  So
until next time, take care, and how little we know of the world
we live in.


Jim Muth
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START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================

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  reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=allinone.frm
  formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1
  center-mag=-2.53602432454074400/+0.172721338499729\
  20/6505050/1/-125 params=1/4/2/3/0/0 float=y
  maxiter=1200 inside=0 outside=tdis
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frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth
a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2),
g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j,
k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel):
z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c,
|z| < l
}

END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE==================================

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From: "Andrew Coppin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTD 20-09-01 (Fractured Hysteria [5])
Date: 21 Sep 2001 18:44:07 +0000

>From: Jim Muth <[e-mail]>
>Reply-To: [e-mail]
>To: [e-mail]
>Subject: (fractint) FOTD  20-09-01  (Fractured Hysteria [5])
>Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 11:04:15 -0400 (EDT)
>
>
>FOTD -- September 19, 2001 (Rating 5)
>
>Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts:
>
>There is a hysterical air to the entire scene, which consists of
>twisted and tortured filaments.  The name "Fractured Hysteria"
>was inspired by this hysteric appearance.  The name is not a
>sign that I am hysterical.

Actually, I disagree... You know those weird patterns of black dots they
show to mental patients to guage their mental state? I think the way people
name fractals has a lot to do with their inner subconcience. In short, Jim,
by naming your fractals you are potentially giving an aweful lot away! ;-)

Andrew.


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From: "Morgan L. Owens" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) FOTD  19-09-01  (Midget with Dewdrops [6])
Date: 22 Sep 2001 13:33:50 +1200

At 12:23 19/09/2001 -0500, [e-mail] wrote:

>"The iterated formula subtracts Z^(-1.1) from Z^(-0.9).  The tiny
>difference is then multiplied by a factor of -548.998 before adding
>1/C.  The real(p3) parameter is
>extremely critical, the slightest change resulting in a totally different
>image."
>
>Several similar examples occurred in Jim's Commentaries accompanying his
>FOTD's in August; things that might be dismissed by others as esoteric,
>but whose ultimate mathematical implications are - I would argue - simply
>not yet appreciated or understood.

Well, the phrase "sensitive dependence on initial conditions" does spring
to mind.

Morgan L. Owens
"Multiplied by -548.998 up to 282 times per pixel."


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (fractint) FOTD  22-09-01  (Lots of Activity [7.5])
Date: 22 Sep 2001 10:59:52 EDT


FOTD -- September 22, 2001 (Rating 7.5)

Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts:

Today's fractal is active.  It's not just sitting there like a
bump on a log; it's up there on the screen, doing things for the
whole world to see.  And it's not just the activity that sets
this particular image apart.  Something about it is different.
It is not normal.  (As though there were such a thing as a
'normal' fractal.)

Seeing so much activity from a single fractal, I had no trouble
finding the name "Lots of Activity".  Undecided as to whether a
rating of 7 or 8 best describes the fractal's worth, I settled
on a 7-1/2.

The formula 1.3(Z^2)+10(Z^(-0.01))+C created the image when it
was iterated with a maxiter of 1200.  Most of the activity was
created by setting the outside to <tdis> and the inside to
<fmod>.  With the normal flat equal-iteration bands and flat
black inside, today's image is boring indeed.

The parameter file renders in 10+ minutes on my tired old
Pentium running at 200mhz.  On newer faster machines it renders
in less time.  Those who would rather not run the attached
parameter file will find the GIF image posted to:

          <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html>

and to:

          <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html>

If the image is not yet posted, Paul and Scott have not had time
to render and post it.  Try again in an hour or so.

The fractal weather today was near perfect.  After last
evening's violent storm, today turned sunny and mild, with a
temperature of 81F 27C, which made the fractal cats quite happy
indeed.

That's it for today.  Until next time, take care, and I'll see
you soon.


Jim Muth
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START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================

Lots_of_Activity   { ; time=0:10:44.83--SF5 on a P200
  reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=allinone.frm
  formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=ident passes=1
  center-mag=-10.38329738516965000/+0.52767985499265\
  670/2532769/1/-177.5 params=1.3/2/10/-0.01/0/0
  float=y maxiter=1200 inside=fmod outside=tdis
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frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth
a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2),
g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j,
k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel):
z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c,
|z| < l
}

END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE==================================

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From: alex dukay <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Old PAR file ?!?
Date: 22 Sep 2001 19:58:00 -0400

At 12:07 PM 9/20/01 +0200, you wrote:
>I have some old .PAR files for a wery important fractal. The file looks like
>this:
>
>-c-0.064066852367688,-0.100278551532034,4.094707520891365 -t250 -i246 -MG2
>-f123  -u60,120,30,100,255,200
>
>Can anyone tell me how to generate this fractal again ?? Please !!
Hi Marcel,
You have an interesting file.  Usually a par file also refers to a formula
- there doesn't seem to be any formula in your file.  Looking at your file
all I can figure out is that the first set of numbers seem to refer to the
coordinates ( you input those by pushing 'z' to call up the formula file
and then pushing F6 on your keyboard) t250 could be the rotational angle
i246, MG2 f123 u60 are beyond my analytical ability.  255 and 200 could be
referents for your screen from the selections you get by hitting
'y'...actually 255 and 200 could be for 'potential max colour' and 'slope'
.  The other numbers remain a mystery.  And as I stated: where is the formula.
Alex


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From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Old PAR file ?!?
Date: 22 Sep 2001 20:24:44 -0500

Silberg Marcel R wrote:
>
> I have some old .PAR files for a wery
> important fractal.

And where did you get these important old PAR files??

What program were they saved from??

Why can you not use them in the same program that theyr were produced
with??

>
> The file looks like this:
>   -c-0.064066852367688,-0.100278551532034,4.094707520891365
>   -t250 -i246 -MG2 -f123  -u60,120,30,100,255,200

Which value do you want to use for the maximum iterations?
What color map would you prefer?

P.N.L.
http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (fractint) Missing FOTD
Date: 23 Sep 2001 11:53:22 EDT

There is no FOTD for Sept 23.  I'm exhausted and taking a
one-day break.  The FOTD will return Sept 24.

Jim M.

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From: "Chris Curnow" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Old PAR file ?!?
Date: 23 Sep 2001 18:00:46 +0100

Alex Dukay wrote in response to:

>>I have some old .PAR files for a wery important fractal. The file looks
like
>>this:
>>
>>-c-0.064066852367688,-0.100278551532034,4.094707520891365 -t250 -i246 -MG2
>>-f123  -u60,120,30,100,255,200
>>
>>Can anyone tell me how to generate this fractal again ?? Please !!

>Hi Marcel,
>You have an interesting file.  Usually a par file also refers to a formula
>- there doesn't seem to be any formula in your file.

In the ancient times, wasn't there only Mandelbrot and Julia?

Assuming -c in the file refers to the centre co-ordinates that's slap in the
middle of the Mandelbrot lake and you get no image.
If this is a Julia then those values for centre give an image.

4.0947 etc could be magnification

> ..... t250 could be the rotational angle
>i246, MG2 f123 u60 are beyond my analytical ability.  255 and 200 could be
>referents for your screen from the selections you get by hitting
>'y'...actually 255 and 200 could be for 'potential max colour' and 'slope'
> The other numbers remain a mystery.  And as I stated: where is the
formula.
>Alex

-t250 Test?  I've used for bailout.
-i246 Could be iterations?
-MG2 could refer to a map file?
-f 123 and the rest I haven't a clue about.  f=File?  But what about -u?

Using what we've assumed as a base I've generated this par file:

Marcel's_Fractal?  { ; F2 Using the goodega.map colour file
                     ; Version 2001 Patchlevel 13
  reset=2001 type=julia passes=1
  center-mag=-0.0640669/-0.100279/4.094708 params=0.3/0.6 float=y
  maxiter=246 bailout=250 fillcolor=2 inside=0 cyclerange=1/1
  colors=000<2>00z<2>0zzzzezz0<2>z00e00L00zzLzL0
  }

I wonder if this is close to Marcel's 'very important fractal' :-)

Chris



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From: Silberg Marcel R <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) Old PAR file ?!?
Date: 24 Sep 2001 08:10:39 +0200

Thanx very much for your help - but I found it by clicking arround on your
pages. There was a link to the program "Paul's Fractals". That's the program
and now I have the fractals.

Marcel


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Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 3:25 AM


Silberg Marcel R wrote:
>
> I have some old .PAR files for a wery
> important fractal.

And where did you get these important old PAR files??

What program were they saved from??

Why can you not use them in the same program that theyr were produced
with??

>
> The file looks like this:
>   -c-0.064066852367688,-0.100278551532034,4.094707520891365
>   -t250 -i246 -MG2 -f123  -u60,120,30,100,255,200

Which value do you want to use for the maximum iterations?
What color map would you prefer?

P.N.L.
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From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Old PAR file ?!?
Date: 24 Sep 2001 02:06:50 -0500

Silberg Marcel R wrote:
>
> Thanx very much for your help - but I found
> it by clicking arround on your pages.  There
> was a link to the program....
>

Glad you were able to find what you sought.

Sincerely,
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Subject: (fractint) FOTD  24-09-01  (Something Berries [5])
Date: 24 Sep 2001 10:54:48 EDT


FOTD -- September 24, 2001 (Rating 5)

Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts:

Today's average fractal reminds me of some kind of berries.
Maybe raspberries, maybe strawberries, I'm not sure.  Due to my
uncertainty, I named the picture "Something-Berries".

The parent fractal was created by another of my deceptively
simple formulae.  This time, 4Z^(-1.45)-2Z^(-14.5)+(1/C) did the
job.  This formula, when iterated, draws a Mandeloid with
several large bays.  Today's scene is located on the edge of one
of the large bays, near the tip of the star of a tiny radical
(or bud complex).

The resulting picture is not great, but it's not bad either.
It's just about average, which justifies the rating of a
perfectly average 5.  The parameter file produces a finished
image in almost exactly 10 minutes on my tired, worn-out old
Pentium 200mhz machine.  But the image can be downloaded in 1/10
of that time from:

          <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html>

or from:

          <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html>

Give Paul and Scott a chance to post it before going there.

The fractal weather today was sunny and very average, a
condition which the fractal cats found very enjoyable.  Average
for this location at this time of year is a high temperature of
82F 28C.

That's it for today.  Until next time, take care, and for every
mystery that is solved, two more will appear.


Jim Muth
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START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================

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  reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=allinone.frm
  formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1
  center-mag=+1.50065188510701600/+0.357694228187471\
  10/323066.5/1/57.499 params=4/-1.45/2/-14.5/0/800
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  ZzzZzz`zz`zzazzazzbzzbzzbzzdzzdzzdzzfzzfzzfzzgzzgz\
  zgzzhzzhzzhzzizzizzizzlzzlzzmzzmzzozzozzpzzpzzpzzp\
  zzpzzpzzpzzpzzpzzpzzpzzpz
  }

frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth
a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2),
g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j,
k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel):
z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c,
|z| < l
}

END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE==================================

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From: "David J. Dollevoet" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Jim Muth's FOTD
Date: 24 Sep 2001 20:42:07 -0700

Jim Muth:


Thank-you for returning your FOTD.  You brighten my day again.


David Dollevoet


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Subject: (fractint) FOTD  25-09-01  (Chaplet of Flowers [5])
Date: 25 Sep 2001 09:16:52 EDT


FOTD -- September 25, 2001 (Rating 5)

Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts:

Today's fractal has a verdant appearance to it.  After a modicum
of consideration, I noticed the greenery and named the image
"Chaplet of Flowers".  The foliage effect was created by
iterating the formula 0.8(Z^(-1.667)-0.8(Z^(1.667)+(1/C) a
maximum of 2500 times, and coloring the outside with the <fmod>
option.

The parent fractal is a curious diamond shaped network, typical
of fractals that combine positive and negative powers of Z.
One of the more remote nodes of the network contains the scene
of today's image.

The color scheme appeared serendipitously as I rotated various
palettes at random.  One minute the image looked like a total
loser, then today's palette flashed by and vanished as fast as
it came.  A few steps backward restored the lucky palette
however, and the result appears as the FOTD for September 25,
2001.

Undecided as to how to rate the effort of the day, I settled on
a rating of an average 5.  Running the parameter file is one way
of viewing the image.  Waiting an hour or so, then visiting
Paul's or Scott's web site and downloading the GIF image from
there, is another.

Paul's web site is located at:


          <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html>

Scott's is at:

          <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html>

The fractal weather today was quite exciting, with a tornado in
the vicinity, which tore up the campus at the U of MD.  But we
had only a heavy thunder-storm here at Fractal Central as the
twister passed by.  The temperature of 81F 27C was just about
normal, and kept the fractal cats behaving in a normal manner
until the thunder began, when the dynamic duo took refuge in a
coat closet.

The clock on the wall over the fractal desk now tells me that
it's time to move on to other things.  So I'll be shutting down
the fractal department until next time, which will arrive in the
right time.  Until then, take care, and when the going gets
tough, the tough get a fractal going.


Jim Muth
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START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================

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  reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=allinone.frm
  formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip passes=1
  center-mag=-6.376602614525529/+3.854529883857569/2\
  .701395e+008/1/180 params=0.8/-1.667/-0.8/1.667/0/0
  float=y maxiter=2500 inside=0
  proximity=0.95 outside=fmod
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  ldildilejmekmflmfmmgnmgomhpmhqmirmismjtmjumkvmkwml\
  xmlymmzmmzmmznnzoozppzqqz
  }

frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth
a=real(p1), b=imag(p1), d=real(p2), f=imag(p2),
g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j,
k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel):
z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c,
|z| < l
}

END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE==================================

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From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Even more FRM files and some updates.
Date: 25 Sep 2001 14:31:08 -0500

Greetings,

The ORGFORM file, which I initially expanded and made available awhile
back, now contains even more files.  The collection not only has EXACTLY
the same files that may be found in Noel Giffin's 1999 version at "The
Spanky Fractal Database" (and referenced by Janet Presler in the
UF-Resources page), but several newer formulae as well.

This ZIP file version (at around 1.2-MB) contains around 8.76-MB worth
of data now.  It contains the formulas that Jim Muth has used for his
FOTD's, the recent formulas by Rui S. Parracho which were posted this
month on the UF-List, and much more.

Here is the location for that file:

        http://www.Eclectasy.com/paul/software/ORGFORM.ZIP

Sincerely,
P.N.L.
http://www.fractalus.com/cgi-bin/theway?ring=fractals&id=43&go

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Subject: Re: (fractint) Even more FRM files and some updates.
Date: 25 Sep 2001 17:43:32 -0500

<!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
<html>
Fellow Fractaliers -
<p>Thanks to Paul for yet another organizational contribution, a quiet
coup.
<p>DBF
<p>"Paul N. Lee" wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Greetings,
<p>The ORGFORM file, which I initially expanded and made available awhile
<br>back, now contains even more files.  The collection not only has
EXACTLY
<br>the same files that may be found in Noel Giffin's 1999 version at "The
<br>Spanky Fractal Database" (and referenced by Janet Presler in the
<br>UF-Resources page), but several newer formulae as well.
<p>This ZIP file version (at around 1.2-MB) contains around 8.76-MB worth
<br>of data now.  It contains the formulas that Jim Muth has used
for his
<br>FOTD's, the recent formulas by Rui S. Parracho which were posted this
<br>month on the UF-List, and much more.
<p>Here is the location for that file:
<p>        <a href="http://www.Eclectasy.com/paul/software/ORGFORM.ZIP">http://www.Eclectasy.com/paul/software/ORGFORM.ZIP</a>
<p>Sincerely,
<br>P.N.L.
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Subject: (fractint) Re: [ultrafractal] Even more FRM files and some updates.
Date: 26 Sep 2001 00:02:49 -0500

Tina Oloyede <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> Thanks for updating the zip Paul :-)
>
> Thanks, Tina
>

You are more than welcome!!    :-)

Sincerely,
P.N.L.
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Subject: (fractint) FOTD  26-09-01  (1-1/2 Root of Two [5])
Date: 26 Sep 2001 11:08:22 EDT


FOTD -- September 26, 2001 (Rating 5)

Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts:

Today's image is a brief diversion from the world of
MandelbrotMix4 into the world of exponent sub-2 fractals.  In
today's image, the iterated exponent of Z is 1.5874, which is
the 1-1/2 root of 2.  The entire formula, Z^1.5874+C is about as
simple a fractal formula as possible.

In the world of sub-2 powers of Z, the midgets become fewer and
farther between, and much more difficult to find.  But when one
of these elusive midgets is found, it is always worth a closer
look, for there appears to be no limit to the shape they may
take.

I named the image "1.5 Root of Two" for obvious reasons.  I
rated it a 5 for equally obvious reasons.  The 16 minute render
time of the parameter file may be avoided by giving Paul and
Scott a chance to post the GIF image to their web sites, and
then by downloading it from there.

Paul's site may be found at:

          <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html>

Scott's is at:

          <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html>

The fractal weather here today was a great improvement from
yesterday's tornado.  The partly cloudy skies and temperature of
68F 20C made the fractal cats so happy that they slept in their
porch chairs most of the afternoon.  Cats sleep when they are
happy; people jump around and shout.

It's now time to get busy and do the everyday things that need
to be done.  Once the things are done, I'll return with the next
fractal.  Until then, take care, and meditate on fractals while
staring at your navel.  They are very enlightening, even if the
navel isn't much to look at.


Jim Muth
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START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================

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  reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=allinone.frm
  formulaname=MandelbrotBC1 function=floor passes=1
  center-mag=+0.12755286358762810/+0.806988822573071\
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  yzzxzzvzzuzzzzzyzzszzmzOg
  }

frm:MandelbrotBC1   { ; by several Fractint users
  e=p1, a=imag(p2)+100
  p=real(p2)+PI
  q=2*PI*fn1(p/(2*PI))
  r=real(p2)-q
  Z=C=Pixel:
    Z=log(Z)
    IF(imag(Z)>r)
      Z=Z+flip(2*PI)
    ENDIF
    Z=exp(e*(Z+flip(q)))+C
  |Z|<a
}

END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE==================================

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Subject: (fractint) FOTD  27-09-01  (Phantom Fingers [5])
Date: 27 Sep 2001 09:47:02 EDT


FOTD -- September 27, 2001 (Rating 5)

Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts:

Today's image is another of those mysterious 'evaporated'
fractals that is not there.  It is not there that is if one
thinks of a fractal as the border between trapped points and
points that escape.  All the points in today's image are
trapped; the image consists of inside only.  But the trapped
points do different things in their confinement, and it is these
differences that make today's image.

The iterated formula mixes a portion of Z^(-6) with a somewhat
smaller portion of Z^(-16) before adding (1/C).  The midget at
the center is the ghost of an actual midget, which can be
returned to life by setting imag(p3) to zero.  When this is
done, the image reverts to a normal inside vs. outside fractal,
which closely resembles the FOTD image, but without the fingers
that inspired the name "Phantom Fingers".

What rating to give the image was a puzzle.  The first time I
saw it, I admired the way it made a lot from nothing, and
decided on a rating of 6.  Then I stepped back and noticed the
large drab flat areas, and thought it was worth only a 4.
Unable to decide, I settled on a perfectly average 5, though a
4-1/2 might be more accurate.

The parameter file is one of the all-time fastest, finishing in
30 seconds.  It will take several times as long to download the
GIF image from:

          <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html>

or from:

          <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html>

And in addition, it will take Paul and Scott an hour or so to
post the image.

The fractal weather (is there any other kind?) was perfect
today.  And perfect weather means contented cats.  The cats
showed their contentment by sleeping most of the afternoon,
enjoying the sunshine and temperature of 66F 19C.

It's now time to get busy, give fractal Thomas some more food,
and get some work done.  Until tomorrow, take care, and I was
ready to pray for peace, but I could not remember a single
instance where praying for peace actually brought peace without
the addition of military action.


Jim Muth
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START 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE================================

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  reset=2001 type=formula formulafile=allinone.frm
  formulaname=MandelbrotMix4 function=recip
  center-mag=-132.551/34.4115/12.30779/1/177.499
  params=16/-6/6/-16/-0.89/1e+100 float=y maxiter=600
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k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel):
z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c,
|z| < l
}

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Subject: (fractint) The Future
Date: 27 Sep 2001 19:49:06 -0400


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Regarding recent FOTD musings, I should point out three things:

* Among physicists, the principle of (global) causality is, essentially, =
an article of faith. It is far less justified than, say,
  Newton's laws of motion (and those, we know, have to be modified slight=
ly in relativity theory). A local form is enough to
  ensure global *consistency*, that is the absence of paradoxes. Math buf=
fs may wish to compare it to the difference
  between a sheet and the surface of a sphere or torus. The sphere or tor=
us surface is called two-dimensional because a
  little piece of it resembles strongly a little piece of the sheet; but =
one is globally two-dimensional, while the other is locally
  two-dimensional but cannot be properly visualized (as to global topolig=
y and curvature) without the third dimension.
  (Polyconic projection maps allow the topology of a sphere to be represe=
nted in 2 dimensions, and a square with "wrap
  around" behavior like the old Asteroids video game gives a 2-dimensiona=
l representation of toroidal topology, but neither
  can express these without artificial "cuts", and neither can express th=
e curvature of those surfaces.)
  A globally causal universe is to a locally causal one as a two dimensio=
nal sheet is to a two dimensional manifold, a surface
  that may be closed in on itself. The local property can't be used to in=
fer a global equivalent. Those who think it can be
  must believe the earth is flat. In particular, the property of causalit=
y may be local to regions of space-time, not just
  regions of space, so events around Earth may be strictly causal for day=
s, and then something acausal could happen.
* Assuming global causality forces physicists to jump through hoops to ex=
plain quantum EPR phenomena and to find ways
  to deny the possibility of a closed timelike curve in space-time, which=
 is not forbidden by general relativity.
* Assuming only local causality introduces only one "paradox", which is t=
he question of free will in case someone's will were
  ever to conflict with the requirements of consistency. There are two so=
lutions. One is that traveling back in time using a
  would-be CTC puts you onto another timeline when the results are otherw=
ise inconsistent. (Math buffs: this is like certain
  path integrals in complex analysis that have inconsistent behavior, tha=
t is discontinuities, on branch cuts unless you
  introduce Riemann surfaces, which produce "alternate timeline" versions=
 of the complex plane and connections between
  the alternate versions that make the whole self-consistent. (Jim Muth a=
ppears to have at least passing familiarity with
  branch cuts and the complex log's infinite sheet Riemann surface.) The =
other solution is to observe that the person's
  will won't happen to conflict with the requirements of consistency, bec=
ause to be consistent it will just so happen to
  coincide with what is needed to get consistency. If someone wanting to =
change history caused a paradox, in other words,
  they just won't happen to want to change history. Or they will, but wil=
l fail to make the change. This seems to deny how
  "free" free will is and introduce the possibility of "fate" seeming to =
conspire against certain plans, but that becomes a
  debate for philosophers with no relevance to physics.
* The Bell's Inequality violations prove that QM is inherently nonlocal a=
nd (by special relativity) therefore (globally) acausal.
  The results deny the only alternative, namely hidden variables, in all =
permutations and combinations. (The third
  "alternative" is to deny that QM is even *understandable* but that is r=
eally just giving up on science altogether and going
  mystical. That, again, has no relevance to physics, though fans of the =
Copenhagen Interpretation nonetheless seem to
  believe it.)
* The only recent breakthrough in quantum science that doesn't involve 11=
-dimensional superstring nano-shit is the
  Transactional Interpretation due to one John Cramer. It explicitly invo=
lves nonlocal and acausal quantum phenomena,
  although in one dimension of space the result may still have global cau=
sality on all but the smallest scales. (Like where EPR
  phenomena can't be used to send a coherent signal back in time.) In thr=
ee (or more -- consider superstring and Kaluza-
  Klein theories) dimensions of space it may very well allow coherent "ad=
vanced wave" signals.
* Precognition may be normally regarded as "paranormal", but if it exists=
, it must have a rationally understandable
  mechanism underlying it. (The alternative is again to deny that science=
 "works".) Moreover, it may indeed exist and have
  a rational behavior, because it need not cause paradoxes; see above.<br=
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Subject: (fractint) FOTD  28-09-01  (Midget with Greenery [5])
Date: 28 Sep 2001 11:07:14 EDT


FOTD -- September 28, 2001 (Rating 5)

Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts:

Such a contrast between amber and green -- that is today's
fractal.  The formula Z^(-1.1)-Z^(1.11)+(1/C) is responsible for
the image, which has perhaps a bit too much color contrast.  But
it's a pleasant image to look at, and the parameter file renders
in only 6 minutes, so it's worth at least a quick glance.

The name "Midget with Greenery" was given to an earlier version
of the image, in which the green elements surrounding the midget
were of a more vivid emerald green hue.  The green has been
toned down since then, but the original name has been kept.
Why?  Because I like it.

The picture rates yet another perfectly average 5, which is not
bad.  I do have to pull myself out of this rut of mediocrity
however, and produce a few more of those 8- and 9-rated images.

Those who would rather not fuss with the parameter file may see
the GIF image in an hour or so, when it will be available on the
W.W.Web at:

          <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html>

and at:

          <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html>

The fractal weather today was fall-like, with a mixture of sun
and clouds, and a temperature of 70F 21C, which made the cats
happy.  Actually, it's getting harder to tell whether the
fractal cats are happy or dis-satisfied, since the older they
get, the more they sleep.  Tippy hasn't caught a bird in over a
year.  He's still able to catch them, he just doesn't feel like
exerting the effort.

I see that it's time to get busy on more important things.
Actually, nothing is more important than fractals, so I should
have said 'more necessary things'.  Until 24 hours from now,
take care, and be under no stress.


Jim Muth
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g=1/f, h=1/d, j=1/(f-b), z=(-a*b*g*h)^j,
k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel):
z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c,
|z| < l
}

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Subject: (fractint) FOTD  29-09-01  (Aleph Null [7])
Date: 29 Sep 2001 09:42:18 EDT


FOTD -- September 29, 2001 (Rating 7)

Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts:

Well, I didn't find a 9-rated fractal.  I didn't even find one
that rates an 8.  But I did find a fractal that is worth a 7,
and this is two points above the 5 we've been stuck with for the
past several days.  The iterated formula subtracts some Z^(-1.1)
from Z^(1.2) before adding (1/C), and catches the parent fractal
when it is on the verge of turning inside-out.

With its broad textured cross and textured intricacies, today's
fractal is well worth the 3 minutes required to render it from
the parameter file.  The name I gave it, "Aleph Null", is the
name of the transfinite number that represents the least
infinite of the infinity of infinities.  I gave the image this
name for no apparent reason.

In addition to running the parameter file, the image may be seen
by downloading it from the W.W.W. at:

          <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html>

or:

          <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html>

The fractal weather today was variably cloudy with a temperature
of 64F 18C.  The cats found the porch warm enough during the
sunny periods, but retreated indoors when heavy clouds obscured
the sun and a chilly breeze sprang up.

I'll take a day or two break in my philosophical musings, but
I've still got enough ideas backed up to keep me going for
years.  So stay tuned to the philofractal list for wisdom
unlimited delivered in a moderately humble manner.

That's it for today.  Until next time, take care, and stay smart.


Jim Muth
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k=real(p3)+1, l=imag(p3)+100, c=fn1(pixel):
z=k*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c,
|z| < l
}

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Subject: (fractint) FOTD  30-09-01  (Sawteeth [3])
Date: 30 Sep 2001 10:25:51 EDT


FOTD -- September 30, 2001 (Rating 3)

Fractal visionaries and enthusiasts:

As even a casual glance reveals, today's fractal, which is the
final one for the month of September, has no tiny midget lurking
at its center.

Most of my time in fractal land is spent tracking those elusive
midgets.  On the trail of the midgets, I often come upon quite a
bit of interesting scenery, which I pass by without recording.
In today's fractal, I found no midgets -- the expression being
iterated, Z^0.009+C, is too close to linear -- but I did come
upon some curious scenery, and this time I did not pass it by.
I present it instead as today's FOTD, to show some of the lesser
things that exist in the world of fractals, but are too often
ignored.

The parent fractal is a cucumber-shaped lake with mostly sharp,
well-defined edges.  One corner of the shoreline however holds
an area of chaos.  It is in this area of chaos that today's
scene is found.

Despite its initial chaotic impression, the image is filled with
themes -- bits and pieces of order that appear regularly spaced
throughout the image.  I particularly enjoy the tiny black
upside-down triangles scattered about the lower left quadrant.

The reason that I named the scene "Sawteeth" is obvious.  The
reason I rated it at only a 3 is because of its poor
composition.  It has no focus of attention to prevent the eye
from scanning it in a haphazard manner.

The 25 minute render time is a bit slow for such a lowly image.
This problem can be avoided however by giving Paul and Scott a
chance to render and post the image to their web sites, and then
picking it up from there.

Paul's web site is at:

          <http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html>

Scott's is at:

          <http://sdboyd.dyndns.org/~sdboyd/fotd/index.html>

The fractal weather today was a repeat of yesterday, with
alternating sunny and overcast periods, and a temperature of 64F
18C.  The cats accepted the conditions, though they did not
approve of them.

I'll have one more philosophy-free day to recharge my batteries.
Then it's back to my task of humbly enlightening the world, an
oxymoron if there ever was one.

We've come to the end of another FOTD.  I'm going to do nothing
for the rest of the day -- unless I start searching for
fractals, that is.  Until next time, take care, and it's better
to be wise than smart, but it's best to be wise and smart.


Jim Muth
[e-mail]


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  OMXPNXQOXRPXSQXTRXUSXVTXWUXXVXYWVZXX_YZ`Z`a_bb`cca\
  edbgecifdkgelhfnigpjhrkislhsmhslhslgslgskgskfskfsj\
  fsjesjesiesidsidshdshcshcsgcsgbsgbsfbsfbseaseaseas\
  dasd`sd`sc`sc`sc_sb_sb_sb_saZsaZsaYs`Zs`Ys`Ys_Ys_Y\
  sZXsZXsZXsYXsYWsYWsXWsXWsXVsWVsWVsWVsVUsVUsVUsUTsU\
  TsUTsTSsTSsSRsSQsSPsROsRNsRMsQLsQKsQKsPKsPKsPKsOKs\
  OKsOKsNKsNKsNKsMKsMKsLKsLKsLKsKKsKKsKKtJKuJKvJKwIK\
  xIKyIKzHKzHKzHKzGKzGKzGKzFKzFKzFKzJKzKKzKKzKKzKKzK\
  KzKKzKKzKKzKKzKKzKKzKKzKKzKKzKKzKKzKKzKKzKKzKKzKKz\
  KKzKKzKKzKKzKKzKKzKKzKKzKKzKKzKKzKKzKKzKKzKKzKKzKK\
  zKKzKKzKKzKKzKKzKKzKKzKKz
  }

frm:MandelbrotBC1   { ; by several Fractint users
  e=p1, a=imag(p2)+100
  p=real(p2)+PI
  q=2*PI*fn1(p/(2*PI))
  r=real(p2)-q
  Z=C=Pixel:
    Z=log(Z)
    IF(imag(Z)>r)
      Z=Z+flip(2*PI)
    ENDIF
    Z=exp(e*(Z+flip(q)))+C
  |Z|<a
}

END 20.0 PAR-FORMULA FILE==================================

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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Fractal Extremes Can Predict Impending Breakdowns
Date: 01 Oct 2001 11:47:07 +1200

How long will a steel pillar support a bridge before rust eats deep enough to
let it snap? How long will a container of corrosive acid hold before it
springs a leak?


http://unisci.com/stories/20013/0928012.htm

Morgan L. Owens
"I'm too lazy to write anything myself."

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From: "Les St Clair" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Parameter files updated
Date: 01 Oct 2001 00:47:25 +0100

Hi everyone,

For information, I have (at long last) updated my collection of parameter
files culled from this list.

Monthly collections from way back when, plus all of Jim's FOTD pars, are now
bang up to date.

You can find them on my fractal web site at:

http://www.les.stclair.btinternet.co.uk/fractals/fracindex.htm
(scroll down to the "resource, links" part of the page)

cheers, Les



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