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From: "Mark Townsend" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) First images to the list
Date: 01 Feb 1999 21:37:37 +1100

For the last 10 days or so I've been experimenting with colouring formulas.
I'm still learning but I thought that it was about time I sent in some
images. I won't say much about the formula--except that I knew less about
the decomp colouring method then than I do now: which is very little.

The first image, "Paradise Lost" reminded me of the paintings of Hieronymus
Bosch, the second of maybe some later science fiction  painter.

This stuff is a nightmare for the spelling checker.

Mark Townsend
[e-mail]

Paradise_Lost      { ; Copyright Mark Townsend, 28-01-99
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=*.frm
  formulaname=mt_990128f function=tanh/recip/cos/exp
  center-mag=-1.26192/1.46107/2.87233/1.0492
  params=1/1/0.1/0.1/-0.3/0.7 float=y maxiter=256 inside=128
  outside=real decomp=256 periodicity=0
  colors=dO9<2>ZJ2XH0VG0<3>N90080000<126>LPH00J<2>50P71R93U<9>TNlVOmXQoZSp\
  `Uq<3>havjcwlew<2>rkytmzvozxqzzrz<3>rkypiyngxlew<2>f_udYtbWr<2>XQnVPmTNk\
  RLi<9>71R50P30N10KJ60<6>YH0<7>lUImWLoYNpZPq`R<3>vf_whbwjd<2>ynkzpmzrozsq\
  zus<3>yojymhxkfwjd<2>ueYtcWrbT<2>nYNmWKkUIiTGhREfQB cyclerange=0/255
  }

Into_the_Machine   { ; Copyright Mark Townsend, 31-01-99
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=*.frm
  formulaname=mt_990128f function=exp/sin/tan/ident
  center-mag=-1.12549/0.863527/6.59508 params=16/16/0.05/0.05/0.3/0.6
  float=y maxiter=256 inside=0 decomp=256
  colors=tmy<4>ohxngxmfxlewkdwjcw<14>WPnVPmUOlTNkSMj<20>71R60Q50P40O<3>00J\
  J60<13>YH0ZI1_J3<18>oYOpZPq_Qq`RraSsaU<13>ymhyniynkyolzpm<4>ztrzusztr<9>\
  xlgxkfxjewjdwicwha<14>nXMmWKlVJkUIjUH<13>YI1XH0WH0<11>J7000J<5>50P60Q71R\
  82S<12>LFeMGfNHf<10>YRoZSp_Tq`UqaVrbWs<13>piyqjyrkyslytmz<4>yrzzrzyrz<3>\
  unz cyclerange=0/255
  }

frm:mt_990128f { Mark Townsend, 28-01-99
  ; real p1 coloring speed of points captured by the Y axis
  ; imag p1 coloring speed of points captured by the X axis
  ; real p2  bailout point for orbits nearing the Y axis
  ; imag p2 bailout point for orbits nearing the X axis
  ; p3 Julia coordinates
  ; fn1 function for the fractal formula ('ident' for Julia)
  ; fn2 function for coloring points captured by the Y axis
  ; fn3 function for coloring points captured by the X axis
  ; fn4 function for the outside coloring
  ; use decomp=256
  ;
  ; This is an implementation of Pickover's 'epsilon cross'
  ; method on a generalised Julia fractal. The user can set
  ; how near the orbit has to get to the axes before bailing
  ; out. The larger the values given to p2 the wider the
  ; 'stalks'. The values should be positive or 0 to turn the
  ; stalks off. Points within the stalks are coloured by the
  ; angle of z at bailout, messed up by a function. The outside
  ; is coloured by the angle of z on it's closest  approach to the
  ; origin, again through a function.
  ;
  ; ***********************************
  z = pixel, c = p3, iter = 1, s = 1e9:
  ; ***********************************
  z = fn1(sqr(z)) + c
  ; find the closest z to to the origin
  if (|z| < |s|)
     s = z
  endif
  if (abs(real(z)) < real(p2)) ; caught by Y axis
     z = fn2(z)^real(p1)
     iter = 0
  elseif (abs(imag(z)) < imag(p2)) ; caught by X axis
     z = fn3(z)^imag(p1)
     iter = 0
  elseif (|z| > 4)
     z  = fn4(s)
     iter = 0
  endif
  iter > 0
  }




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From: "Mark Townsend" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) First images to the list
Date: 02 Feb 1999 00:38:03 +1100

Sorry, I just noticed that I left out the semicolon before the first comment
in the formula. Fractint still seems to generate the images OK, but for the
sake of completeness can anybody who cares replace the first line of the the
formula with this:

frm:mt_990128f { ;Mark Townsend, 28-01-99


Thank you.

Mark Townsend
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (fractint) Visitor
Date: 01 Feb 1999 09:06:10 -0500

Almost every time I post a par I save the message first and run it through
Fractint to be sure I've constructed it correctly. When I don't do that, I
make mistakes. I should have learned by now.

Replace the first line of the Visitor par's formula with:
frm:bills-rotate3 {

Bill Decker



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From: Gedeon Peteri <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) new and revised web pages
Date: 01 Feb 1999 17:49:30 -0500

I added a new page of Ultra Fractal images of some Sylvie Gallet
formulas to my Geocities web site. In addition, I revised the Paul
Carlson page, adding some new Ultra Fractal images, and replacing
others. The Paul Carlson formula and par collection is still available
there for download. I hope you enjoy your visit.

Gedeon

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From: "Axel Schwanh?u?er" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) high res. pictures 4096*2732
Date: 02 Feb 1999 18:29:39 +0000



Michael Traynor wrote:

> >I would like to create large high res. Fractint Pictures with Fractint
> >19.6. My goal are 4096*2732 points 256colors. I didn't find an easier
> >way to create manually the
> >four 1024 * 768 pictures by evaluating the x-y-coordinates ba my own
> >hands.
> >And then putting them together in a pciture-edding-Program like Corel.
> >
> >Does anybody has an idea to make this more efficient?
>
> Axel,
>
> In fractint, hit "b" for the save pars screen.  Toward the bottom there
> are places for you to specify x and y multiples.  If you put a "2" in
> each, fractint will divide the screen in 4, 2 rows, 2 columns and save the
> pars for the four images, together with a file called makemig.bat (IIRC).
> When you run makemig.bat from the command prompt it will batch generate the
> four images and piece them together into a multi-image gif file, and if you
> remove the "rem" at the beginning of the next to last line of makemig.bat
> (the line that refers to simplgif) it will convert the multi-image gif to
> a straightforward gif (since many viewers don't handle multi-image gifs).
> There is more in the fractint documentation.
>
> You can use this technique to make images up to 64Kx64K, if you have the
> machine to handle it.  Even for smaller images, it helps to have lots of
> memory, as to make the simple gif image the machine needs enough memory
> (or disk space) to hold 3 copies, uncompressed.
>
> Sometimes there are problems at the edges of the component images,
> particularly if you use a guessing method for drawing, so I usually use
> the one pass method to avoid the problem.
>
> One thing to remember is that by dividing up the images, you are
> effectively zooming into the original.  You might need to up the interation
> count in the original (or edit the pars, which are in fractint.par) and
> you need to be careful when you are near the limits of fp math, as a zoom
> my put you into arbitrary precision, and really slow things down.
>
> Hope this helps (and isn't wrong - but I'm sure someone will set me
> straight if it is).
>
> --
> Mike Traynor
>
> People who like this sort of thing will find this the sort of thing they like.
>         Abraham Lincoln
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  Thank you very much!

It (sometimes) works!

Axel


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From: Paul Derbyshire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) high res. pictures 4096*2732
Date: 02 Feb 1999 12:51:59 -0500

At 06:29 PM 2/2/99 +0000, you wrote:

[About three gigabytes of quoted material, including signatures and
fractint list footers deleted]

>It (sometimes) works!
>
>Axel


Ladies and gentlemen, we have a newbie!

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From: Bob Margolis <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Mathematical Constants
Date: 03 Feb 1999 22:41:06 -0600

Hello Fractal Artisans;

If you need some mathematical constants to plug into the fractal
formulas you devise, be sure to check out the Table of Mathematical
Constants at:

http://www.mathsoft.com/asolve/constant/table.html .

Bob Margolis

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From: Paul Derbyshire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) high res. pictures 4096*2732
Date: 03 Feb 1999 23:55:18 -0500

At 12:51 PM 2/2/99 -0500, I wrote:
>Ladies and gentlemen, we have a newbie!

but it only showed up at 23:54 2/3/99 ... 36 hours later!!!

What the fuck's the matter with the listserv?
--
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-()  <  circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a
   `*'  straight line."    -------------------------------------------------
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_____________________ ____|________     Paul Derbyshire     [e-mail]
Programmer & Humanist|ICQ: 10423848|

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (fractint) high res. pictures 4096*2732
Date: 04 Feb 1999 08:17:31 EST

Hi Fractal folks,

I was appalled by the language used by Paul Derbyshire on his latest post. I
would vote for his immediate expulsion from the FRACTINT list serve.

--Bob Carr--

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From: Paul Derbyshire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) high res. pictures 4096*2732
Date: 04 Feb 1999 08:30:07 -0500

At 08:17 AM 2/4/99 EST, you wrote:
>Hi Fractal folks,
>
>I was appalled by the language used by Paul Derbyshire on his latest post. I
>would vote for his immediate expulsion from the FRACTINT list serve.

Excuse me?
This is a) off topic and b) an unprovoked attack on me.
Nobody died and left you Internet Censor. If a message offends you, don't
read it. :P

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-()  <  circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a
   `*'  straight line."    -------------------------------------------------
        -- B. Mandelbrot  |http://surf.to/pgd.net
_____________________ ____|________     Paul Derbyshire     [e-mail]
Programmer & Humanist|ICQ: 10423848|

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From: Kenneth Cole <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) high res. pictures 4096*2732
Date: 04 Feb 1999 07:29:07 -0600

Hello,

Although I didn't approve of the language, I respect his work greatly. I
totally disagree with any negative comments or actions about Paul.
Everyone gets frustrated when you expect things to work and they don't.
I know I do.

Ken Cole

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> Hi Fractal folks,
>
> I was appalled by the language used by Paul Derbyshire on his latest post. I
> would vote for his immediate expulsion from the FRACTINT list serve.
>
> --Bob Carr--
>
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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) high res. pictures 4096*2732
Date: 04 Feb 1999 17:15:24 +0100

I _don't_ quite think so!

Frustration can be a very good reason for such language. And you're
completely wrong (IMHO) when you think this is completely unacceptable. Your
reaction does in no way show any social skills. Your behavior is IMO more to
be frowned upon than Paul's.

[Note: I've just been through days of fuss with ISPs and mail servers. I
definitely wondered what the "****" was happening when I wasn't able to
administrate my own mailing list (listserv :) because my ISP had put my list
server in it's black list, and redirection didn't work and two different mail
servers denied the existences of my accounts. -- Yes I can understand it.]

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-----Original Message-----


>Hi Fractal folks,
>
>I was appalled by the language used by Paul Derbyshire on his latest post. I
>would vote for his immediate expulsion from the FRACTINT list serve.
>
>--Bob Carr--
>
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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) high res. pictures 4096*2732
Date: 04 Feb 1999 17:04:42 +0100

Yeah, I wondered about that too. I got your message at 06:00 GMT+1, but the
message you replied to didn't show up before 14:35 GMT+1....

It's a majordomo btw :)

PS. I'm still on the list. As a lurker :)

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[e-mail]

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-----Original Message-----


>At 12:51 PM 2/2/99 -0500, I wrote:
>>Ladies and gentlemen, we have a newbie!
>
>but it only showed up at 23:54 2/3/99 ... 36 hours later!!!
>
>What the fuck's the matter with the listserv?
>--
>   .*.  "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not
>-()  <  circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a
>   `*'  straight line."    -------------------------------------------------
>        -- B. Mandelbrot  |http://surf.to/pgd.net
>_____________________ ____|________     Paul Derbyshire     [e-mail]
>Programmer & Humanist|ICQ: 10423848|
>
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From:    "Fliguer, Miguel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) high res. pictures 4096*2732
Date: 04 Feb 1999 14:23:58 -0300


> Dean-Christian Strik wrote :
>
>>>Frustration can be a very good reason for such language.

Dean, I have no problem with the word in question.

But I definitely have a problem with the "Ladies & Gentlemen, we have a
newbie"
attitude from Paul's original post.

And I assume the list admin is DEFINITELY having a problem about this
thread,
so I better shut up.

no_par_today    {
        formulafile=*.frm formulaname=no_par_today
        }

frm:no_par_today {
          }

Miguel Fliguer - Buenos Aires, Argentina
http://members.xoom.com/fliguer/franktal.html





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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (fractint) high res. pictures 4096*2732
Date: 04 Feb 1999 13:04:25 EST

In a message dated 2/4/99 12:27:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< Dean, I have no problem with the word in question. >>

If this member has no problem with the "word", perhaps he should be expelled
as well.

This list is not for gutter trash !!!

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (fractint) high res. pictures 4096*2732
Date: 04 Feb 1999 13:11:07 EST

In a message dated 2/4/99 11:25:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, [e-mail]
writes:

<< Frustration can be a very good reason for such language. And you're
 completely wrong (IMHO) when you think this is completely unacceptable. Your
 reaction does in no way show any social skills. Your behavior is IMO more to
 be frowned upon than Paul's. >>

There is NO REASON for such profanity on this format. If that's how one vents
his frustration he is socialy  imature at best. In reality, he is common
without sense of others feelings.

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From: George Martin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) high res. pictures 4096*2732
Date: 04 Feb 1999 13:49:24 -0500

Friends,

I suggest that we quietly bring this thread to an end.  Matters of list
etiquette are the province of our able administrator, Tim Wegner, who
watches the list carefully, and will take whatever action he deems
necessary in the event of breach, perhaps a gentle private admonishment o=
r
a reminder to the whole group if a problem is more widespread. Digging in=

our heels on the current matter will serve no purpose.

Regards,

George Martin =


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From: "Les St Clair" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) high res. pictures 4096*2732
Date: 04 Feb 1999 18:39:47 -0000

Paul Derbyshire wrote

> If a message offends you, don't read it. :P

How exactly do I do that? sixth sense?

- Les



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From: "Morgen H Bell" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) high res. pictures 4096*2732
Date: 04 Feb 1999 13:55:38 -0500

Good heavens!  The only thing fractal-like about all this is the endless
repetitions which (I suppose) show self-similarity.  Give it a rest, guys.


Hi Fractal folks,

I was appalled by the language used by Paul Derbyshire on his latest post. I
would vote for his immediate expulsion from the FRACTINT list serve.

--Bob Carr--




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From: Alex Morano <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) high res. pictures 4096*2732
Date: 04 Feb 1999 15:17:17 -0500

Morgen H Bell wrote:

> Good heavens!  The only thing fractal-like about all this is the endless
> repetitions which (I suppose) show self-similarity.  Give it a rest, guys.

        Well, I am sure glad I just signed up for this list. I see there are a
lot of discussions on fractals here. Thanks for the welcome.


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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) high res. pictures 4096*2732
Date: 04 Feb 1999 21:52:35 +0100

You can't be serious.... tell me, are you just kidding now or are you
serious? If the latter applies to you, I can't but conclude you are the one
who doesn't fit on this list.

No offense, just IMHO...

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-----Original Message-----


>In a message dated 2/4/99 12:27:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>[e-mail] writes:
>
><< Dean, I have no problem with the word in question. >>
>
>If this member has no problem with the "word", perhaps he should be expelled
>as well.
>
>This list is not for gutter trash !!!
>
>--Bob Carr--
>
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From: Paul Derbyshire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) high res. pictures 4096*2732
Date: 04 Feb 1999 16:27:00 -0500

At 06:39 PM 2/4/99 -0000, you wrote:
>Paul Derbyshire wrote
>
>> If a message offends you, don't read it. :P
>
>How exactly do I do that? sixth sense?

Procmail.

--
   .*.  "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not
-()  <  circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a
   `*'  straight line."    -------------------------------------------------
        -- B. Mandelbrot  |http://surf.to/pgd.net
_____________________ ____|________     Paul Derbyshire     [e-mail]
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From: Tim Gilman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) ANT type on XFract
Date: 04 Feb 1999 13:39:53 -0800

I can't get ANT to work using the 2nd ANT algorithm using XFract running
on top of SGI's IRIX.  Can someone try this guy out on their XFract?  The
trick is, I'm busy crafting the Macintosh port, and I'm not sure what
it'll take to get this working..

Thanks!
Tim Gilman
http://www.scruz.net/~tgilman/tim/macfract/


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From: "AA" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) high res. pictures 4096*2732
Date: 04 Feb 1999 21:50:27 -0500



> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of
> [e-mail]
> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 1999 8:18 AM
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: (fractint) high res. pictures 4096*2732
>
>
> Hi Fractal folks,
>
> I was appalled by the language used by Paul Derbyshire on his
> latest post. I
> would vote for his immediate expulsion from the FRACTINT list serve.
>
> --Bob Carr--
>
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From: Jim Watson <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) ANT type on XFract
Date: 05 Feb 1999 09:01:23 -0000 (GMT)

Tim,

I've tried ant type 2 out on my version of Xfractint (version 3.04
FRACTINT Version 19.6) running on a Linux system and can report that mine
doesn't seem to work either.  All I get is a horizontal bar ( 3-4 pixels
wide) in the centre of the screen which gradually expands out to the edges
of the window.

Good luck with the porting....

On 04-Feb-99 Tim Gilman wrote:
> I can't get ANT to work using the 2nd ANT algorithm using XFract running
> on top of SGI's IRIX.  Can someone try this guy out on their XFract?

Best Regards


Jim Watson
Marconi Communications,
VOA (Sri Lanka) Project Site Office,
P.O. Box 14,
Negombo,
Sri Lanka.

Fax : + 94 32 54584
Tel : + 94 71 770542


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From: Jim Watson <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) ANT type on XFract
Date: 05 Feb 1999 09:01:23 -0000 (GMT)

Tim,

I've tried ant type 2 out on my version of Xfractint (version 3.04
FRACTINT Version 19.6) running on a Linux system and can report that mine
doesn't seem to work either.  All I get is a horizontal bar ( 3-4 pixels
wide) in the centre of the screen which gradually expands out to the edges
of the window.

Good luck with the porting....

On 04-Feb-99 Tim Gilman wrote:
> I can't get ANT to work using the 2nd ANT algorithm using XFract running
> on top of SGI's IRIX.  Can someone try this guy out on their XFract?

Best Regards


Jim Watson
Marconi Communications,
VOA (Sri Lanka) Project Site Office,
P.O. Box 14,
Negombo,
Sri Lanka.

Fax : + 94 32 54584
Tel : + 94 71 770542


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From: Paul Derbyshire <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) high res. pictures 4096*2732
Date: 04 Feb 1999 22:18:31 -0500

At 09:50 PM 2/4/99 -0500, you wrote:

[A lot of quoted material, followed by:]

>01000110011101010110001101101011

????????????????????????????????
--
   .*.  "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not
-()  <  circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a
   `*'  straight line."    -------------------------------------------------
        -- B. Mandelbrot  |http://surf.to/pgd.net
_____________________ ____|________     Paul Derbyshire     [e-mail]
Programmer & Humanist|ICQ: 10423848|

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From: Paul Derbyshire <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) ANT type on XFract
Date: 04 Feb 1999 22:20:14 -0500

At 09:01 AM 2/5/99 -0000, you wrote:

[A message]

to both [e-mail] and [e-mail].

This practise appears to produce duplicate messages on the list, as clearly
both of your destination addresses work for posting. Please stick to just
[e-mail].

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-()  <  circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a
   `*'  straight line."    -------------------------------------------------
        -- B. Mandelbrot  |http://surf.to/pgd.net
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Programmer & Humanist|ICQ: 10423848|

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From: Lee&SusanLane <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) high res. pictures 4096*2732
Date: 04 Feb 1999 21:21:10 -0800

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

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George Martin hit the nail on the head, as I expect Tim would agree. But
I have to say Bravo to Les St. Clair. That was brilliant.

Here are some soothing pars.

Cheers,  Lee Lane

>George Martin wrote:
>
> I suggest that we quietly bring this thread to an end.  Matters of list
> etiquette are the province of our able administrator, Tim Wegner, who
> watches the list carefully, and will take whatever action he deems
> necessary in the event of breach, perhaps a gentle private admonishment or
> a reminder to the whole group if a problem is more widespread. Digging in
> our heels on the current matter will serve no purpose.

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LL2-0220           { ; Papal scepter                        t=  0:00:45.75
                     ; t=calc time [h:mm:ss.] using a PII-300 at 1280x1024
                     ; (c) 1999 by Lee Lane [Par date: Feb 04, 1999]
                     ; e-mail to: [e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=leelane2.frm formulaname=ll2-02
  function=tan/atan/cos passes=1
  center-mag=-0.00317878/0.00155285/0.1608899/0.8932/-90
  params=21/0/1/1 float=y maxiter=256 inside=bof60 outside=atan
  rseed=-7839
  colors=RNHSSS<14>000<11>NJEPLFTPI<16>zqb<18>QLGOKFMIEKHDIFC<8>000<31>www\
  <31>000<2>543765986BA7DB8<24>zqb<24>EB8CA7A86875654<2>000<31>www<15>UUU
  }

LL2-0221           { ; Splash                               t=  0:00:48.17
                     ; t=calc time [h:mm:ss.] using a PII-300 at 1280x1024
                     ; (c) 1999 by Lee Lane [Par date: Feb 03, 1999]
                     ; e-mail to: [e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=leelane2.frm formulaname=ll2-02
  function=cotan/asin/sqrt passes=1
  center-mag=-0.00317878/0.00155285/0.1581163/0.8932/-90
  params=43/8/4/0 float=y maxiter=256 inside=bof60 outside=real
  rseed=-7839
  colors=JPOsobtpc<2>oj_mhYkfWidUgbT<8>QLDOJCMHAKF9KF9<30>NW`NW`NV_<22>HHJ\
  GHIGGHFGHFFGEFFEEEDDD<16>HMLINMINMJONJON<2>KRPKRQLSQLSRLTR<7>NXVOYWOYWPZ\
  XPYW<8>OLHNJFNJF<13>ZO7_P6aQ6<11>p_7q`7ra7tb8tdCtfGtiKtkOtnS<12>PIG<5>WP\
  LYQMZRN`SOaUP<3>hZU<14>NJFLHELIE<15>ZVM_WN`XOaYPbZQ<6>hdWieWjfXjfXkgY<7>\
  rna
  }

LL2-0222           { ; Chinese decoration                   t=  0:00:53.94
                     ; t=calc time [h:mm:ss.] using a PII-300 at 1280x1024
                     ; (c) 1999 by Lee Lane [Par date: Feb 03, 1999]
                     ; e-mail to: [e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=leelane2.frm formulaname=ll2-02
  function=tan/atan/cos passes=1
  center-mag=-0.00331305/0.00155285/0.2122482/0.8867/-90
  params=21/0/1/1 float=y maxiter=256 inside=bof60 outside=atan
  rseed=-7839
  colors=0003vW<22>0hm0hm1gn<13>3Xu3Wv4Wv4Vv<2>6Tx6Sx7Rx7Qx8Qy8Py<3>BLzBLz\
  CKzCJzDJz<8>IDzJCzKBzLBzMAz<5>Q7yR7xS6xT5wT5w<4>X3u000OCs_2t<18>l0im0hn0\
  gn0fo0e<4>r1bs1as2`t2_t2Zu2Z<8>x6Sx7Rx7Qy8Qy8Py9O<6>zDJzDIzEHzEHzFGzGG<1\
  3>xQ7xR6xS6wT5wT5wU5<5>tZ2t_2s_2s`2ra1rb1qb14KLI1z0KK000<55>000BzL<8>6xS\
  5wT5wT5wU4vV4vW
  }

frm:LL2-02  { ; overlay LL1-08 and LL1-11
    z = pixel,c = fn2(z^p1),b1 = p2+3,b2 = p2+1:
    IF (whitesq)
      z = fn1(z)*z*z+c
      PHC_bailout = |z| < b1
    ELSE
          z = p1*fn2(z*z*z*fn1(z)) + fn1(fn2(fn3(z)))
      PHC_bailout = z < b2
    ENDIF
    PHC_bailout}

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (fractint) Posting pars
Date: 04 Feb 1999 23:35:16 -0500

Something with smooth surfaces and not very complicated.
Something that gets us back on topic.

Bill Decker

bold-stripes       { ;  (c) Bill Decker Feb 04, 1999 t=  0:00:53.22
                     ;  on P150 800x600
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=0bill.frm formulaname=billsfn4
  function=recip/exp/abs center-mag=1.04059/0.573731/16.84333/1/-92.5
  params=1/1/8/4 float=y potential=255/200/0
  colors=000K10<39>cV0dW0dW1eX2<20>olXplZpm_qmaqma<37>dV1cU0cU0cU0<34>ZM0Z\
  M0ZM0YL0YL0XK0<22>M30L20K10J00I00<33>100000000000<40>K00
  }

frm:billsfn4  {
  z = p1, temp = pixel :
  z = fn1(temp^p2)
  IF (5 < z)
    temp = fn2(temp)
  ELSE
    temp = fn3(z)
  ENDIF
  z < 100
}



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From: "Morgan L. Owens" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) ANT type on XFract
Date: 05 Feb 1999 17:52:09 +1300

At 09:01 05/02/99 -0000, you wrote:
>Tim,
>
>I've tried ant type 2 out on my version of Xfractint (version 3.04
>FRACTINT Version 19.6) running on a Linux system and can report that mine
>doesn't seem to work either.  All I get is a horizontal bar ( 3-4 pixels
>wide) in the centre of the screen which gradually expands out to the edges
>of the window.
>
This sounds normal - if you're referring to the default "1100" rule. Try
another rule to see if more interesting patterns result - "1101101" should
give you a screenful of diagonal stripes.

>
>On 04-Feb-99 Tim Gilman wrote:
>> I can't get ANT to work using the 2nd ANT algorithm using XFract running
>> on top of SGI's IRIX.  Can someone try this guy out on their XFract?
>>
This one is out of my bailiwick, I'm afraid.




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From: "Tim Wegner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) ANT type on XFract
Date: 04 Feb 1999 23:14:31 -0600

Tim wrote:
Tim Gilman wrote:

> I can't get ANT to work using the 2nd ANT algorithm using XFract running
> on top of SGI's IRIX.  Can someone try this guy out on their XFract?  The
> trick is, I'm busy crafting the Macintosh port, and I'm not sure what
> it'll take to get this working..

I'll have a look at ant under Linux. Thanks for the report. Jonathan
and I are both working on Linux bug fixes right now.

Tim



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From: "Tim Wegner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) offensive messages
Date: 04 Feb 1999 23:17:42 -0600

George said:

> I suggest that we quietly bring this thread to an end.  Matters of
> list etiquette are the province of our able administrator, Tim
> Wegner, who  watches the list carefully, and will take whatever
> action he deems necessary

George is right. I am dealing with this. Let's have no more
discussion of this on the list, beyond this message.

I will now state the obvious. For the sake of the protecting the
purpose of the list (discussion of fractals):

1. don't post messages to the list asking or commenting about
whether the list is up or down or other list administration issues. If
you must, email me personally. I will tell you in advance, though,
that I have no interest in 36 hour interruptions of the list that cure
themselves. If there is a fundamental problem with the list I want to
know.

As list administrator, I have to post messages about administration
 issues like this one from time to time. I ask everyone else to resist
 the temptation to comment or respond to any off topic messages.

2. Dn't use language on the list that is likely to offend enough
people to start a thread about your language. This is not a list for
the purpose of discussing your language. By the same token, if
someone on the list offends you, email me personally, don't post to
 the list. Your complaint, however legitimate, is off topic. Email me
and I will take care of the problem.

If you are frustrated, send me emails full of profanity. I can handle it
 :-)

3. We don't need messages about newbies or non-newbies or
anyone else that might make anyone feel unwelcome.

Finally, thanks to everyone for keeping the tone of the list so
pleasant and friendly for the vast majority of messages.

Tim
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From: "Tim Wegner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) ANT type on XFract
Date: 04 Feb 1999 23:45:41 -0600

Morgan wrote (responding to Tim Gilman):

> >I've tried ant type 2 out on my version of Xfractint (version 3.04
> >FRACTINT Version 19.6) running on a Linux system and can report that mine
> >doesn't seem to work either.  All I get is a horizontal bar ( 3-4 pixels
> >wide) in the centre of the screen which gradually expands out to the edges
> >of the window.
> >
> This sounds normal - if you're referring to the default "1100" rule. Try
> another rule to see if more interesting patterns result - "1101101" should
> give you a screenful of diagonal stripes.

You have hit the nail on the head. The type 2 ant works fine, it is
just that the default isn't good for type 2. Your suggestion works for
me.

As Jim Watson pointed out, the Linux and DOS Ant behave the
same, so it is not a Linux bug.

Tim





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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (fractint) high res. pictures 4096*2732
Date: 05 Feb 1999 01:38:22 EST

In a message dated 2/4/99 10:31:12 PM Pacific Standard Time, [e-mail]
writes:

<< [A lot of quoted material, followed by:]

 >01000110011101010110001101101011  >>

perhaps binary code was our first hint of achieving fractals with computers-
exhibiting the properties of self-similarity (when various string lengths were
observed)... <G>

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From: "Nigel H. J. Long" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) A repeatable Plasma?
Date: 05 Feb 1999 08:09:58 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)

Please forgive me if I am asking either the obvious or the
impossible!

Is there any way to 'seed' a value in Fractint 19.6 so that
I can always plot a PREDICTABLE 'plasma' type display? I am
setting up a rolling demo for a group of 11 and 12 year
olds to use in their science fair project, and it involves
a plasma plot being used to make a 3D mountain range; but
some plasma's work better than others and I would like to
stack the deck a bit so they get a good one every time.....

I tried pre-plotting a few and then loading them, but this
does not show the viewer the whole process from start to
finish - unless I cheat and don't use the plot itself, just
load one of my pre-cooked screens instead :-)

Any comments and advice would be appreciated - especially
by the 1,000 visitors expected to see the results.

----------------------
Nigel H. J. Long
(Information Scientist)
[e-mail]


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From: "Andrew Coppin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) UltraFractal Halley Formula
Date: 05 Feb 1999 10:52:01 GMT

Okay, as you've already guessed it's about UltraFractal, not
fractint. My problem is this:

I've put together an impressive array of Newton approx formulas, but
I can't seem to convert them to Halley approx. The resulting formulas
just don't work. I don't get it. For example, below is the "Halley
Cubic" formula, which doesn't work. However, if you change the last
line of the loop section to read "Z = Z - @Relax * (F / G)", this
transforming it into the Newton approx, it works just fine. What
gives?

###################################################

HalleyCubic {
init:
  Z = #Pixel
  Ca = @Co3
  Cb = @Co2
  Cc = @Co1
  Da = Ca*3
  Db = Cb*2
  Ea = Da*2
  Bailout = @Bailout * @Bailout
loop:
  F = Ca*Z*Z*Z + Cb*Z*Z + Cc*Z - @Root
  G = Da*Z*Z + Db*Z + Cc
  H = Ea*Z + Db
  Z = Z - @Relax * F / (G - (H * F / 2 * G))
bailout:
  |F| > Bailout
default:
  title = "Halley Cubic"
  param Bailout
    default = 0.001
  endparam
  param Root
    default = (1.0, 0.0)
  endparam
  param Relax
    caption = "Relaxation Coef"
    default = (1.0, 0.0)
  endparam
  param Co3
    caption = "Cubic Coef"
    default = (1.0, 0.0)
  endparam
  param Co2
    caption = "Quadratic Coef"
    default = (0.0, 0.0)
  endparam
  param Co1
    caption = "Linear Coef"
    default = (0.0, 0.0)
  endparam
}

Nam et ipsa scientia potestus est!
(Sir Francis Facon)
Andrew Orphi Coppin
DMU MK.

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From: Brederlow <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) high res. pictures greater than 2560*2560 or posters greater 32x32 tiles
Date: 05 Feb 1999 13:05:39 +0100

Why can't I have an image greater than 2560x2560 pixels in size? Where
does that limitation come from? If it where 65535x65535 I could
understand where it comes from, but 2560?

Also, why is the number of tiles for a poster limited? (Well apart
from the stupid 8+3 limit does has.) For non-fat filesystems it is no
problem to have longer names and thus have tiles with multicharacter
index.

May the Source be with you.
            Goswin

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From:    "Fliguer, Miguel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) A repeatable Plasma?
Date: 05 Feb 1999 09:22:05 -0300

>>>Is there any way to 'seed' a value in Fractint 19.6 so that
>>>I can always plot a PREDICTABLE 'plasma' type display? I am

I guess

 fractint rseed=xxx

would do the trick (it seems it was specifically introduced to get
repeatable plasmas).
This is in the F1 docs, in the "Calculation Parameters" screen.

RTFM  (sorry, RTM)  ;-)

Miguel Fliguer - Buenos Aires, Argentina
Franktal Gallery - Shut Up And Draw Yer Fractals
http://members.xoom.com/fliguer/franktal.html



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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) A repeatable Plasma?
Date: 05 Feb 1999 15:05:02 +0100

Hi,

use 'rseed=000' or something similar from the CLI or <g> screen.

--

Dean-Christian Strik
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Real programmers like vending machine popcorn. Coders pop it in the microwave
oven. Real programmers use the heat given off by the CPU. They can tell what
job is running just by listening to the rate of popping.

-----Original Message-----


>Please forgive me if I am asking either the obvious or the
>impossible!
>
>Is there any way to 'seed' a value in Fractint 19.6 so that
>I can always plot a PREDICTABLE 'plasma' type display? I am
>setting up a rolling demo for a group of 11 and 12 year
>olds to use in their science fair project, and it involves
>a plasma plot being used to make a 3D mountain range; but
>some plasma's work better than others and I would like to
>stack the deck a bit so they get a good one every time.....
>
>I tried pre-plotting a few and then loading them, but this
>does not show the viewer the whole process from start to
>finish - unless I cheat and don't use the plot itself, just
>load one of my pre-cooked screens instead :-)
>
>Any comments and advice would be appreciated - especially
>by the 1,000 visitors expected to see the results.
>
>----------------------
>Nigel H. J. Long
>(Information Scientist)
>[e-mail]
>
>
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From: "Les St Clair" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) January PAR collection
Date: 05 Feb 1999 22:29:41 -0000

The January par collection of postings to this mail list is now available at:

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Les_StClair/fml.htm
(just the parameters)

or, if you prefer the pars with their original messages left intact you can get
this version:

http://www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/crosstrees/fml.htm

Updated companion formula & IFS collections are available from both sites.

cheers,
Les



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From: "Morgan L. Owens" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Binary code fractals
Date: 06 Feb 1999 13:04:00 +1300

At 01:38 05/02/99 EST, PKyleCA wrote:
>In a message dated 2/4/99 10:31:12 PM Pacific Standard Time, [e-mail]
>writes:
>
>
> >01000110011101010110001101101011  >>
>
>perhaps binary code was our first hint of achieving fractals with computers-
>exhibiting the properties of self-similarity (when various string lengths
were observed)... <G>
>
The Morse-Thue sequence could well be looked at as a fractal bit sequence
(in the same way that Pascal's triangle mod 2 can be seen as corresponding
to Sierpinski's Gasket). It is certainly self-similar: for a start, just
taking every _second_ bit in the sequence yields the original sequence.

There are at least three ways of generating it (these come from the
ever-enthralling Clifford Pickover's book "Mazes for the Mind")

The first can be implemented as a L-system. Starting with a 0, we take the
sequence we have up to now (to start with, "0") and replace each 0 with 01
and each 1 with 10.

For the second method we again start with 0. For each step, take the
sequence we have up to now, copy it with all its bits flipped (writing "1"
for "0" and vice versa), and append it to the original.

The third is probably one of the easier methods for generating really long
portions of the sequence, since it doesn't need to remember what has
already been generated.
Write down the binary expansions of the natural numbers 0, 1, 2, 3, ...
Now for each number write down a 0 if there is an even number of "1"s in
the binary expansion, and a 1 if there is an odd number.

It's an eerie sequence to listen to (high note for 0, low note for 1,
perhaps) and strangely difficult to type...
0110100110010110100101100110100110010110011010010110100110010110100101100110
1001011010011001011001101001100101101001011001101001100101100110100101101001
1001011001101001100101101001011001101001011010011001011010010110011010011001
0110011010010110100110010110...



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (fractint) Posting pars
Date: 06 Feb 1999 14:54:23 EST

Mr. Decker admonished me for not submitting pars based on his last formula
after I complimented him on it.  So blame him for these pictures, not me.


frm:billsfm4  {
  z = p1, temp = pixel :
  z = fn1(temp^p2)
  IF (5 < z)
    temp = fn2(temp)
  ELSE
    temp = fn3(z)
  ENDIF
  z < 100
}


Des01              { ; Bill Rossi
                     ; Based on a William Decker frm
                     ; Modified Linda Allison color map
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=bdecker.frm formulaname=billsfn4
  function=ident/ident/log
  center-mag=4.68e-006/0.00292203/1.644749/1.3258 params=1/1/4/0
  float=y potential=256/200/0
  colors=0001JG1KE1SN<7>4zp<29>2DC2BA2BA<12>111000000000<15>000500500<26>i\
  B3<8>xeKziMyfL<7>kF5iB3fA3<8>911500000<12>000000011021032mI7143iB3165<9>\
  ziM3B9<15>000<5>3CA4FC5JF<10>Fte<14>155012000<15>4zn<2>4pe4lb4h_3dX3`U<8\
  >022<2>0FC
  }

Des02              { ; Bill Rossi
                     ; Based on a William Decker frm
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=bdecker.frm formulaname=billsfn4
  function=exp/cosh/sqrt center-mag=-5.36e-007/-0.852673/2.380953
  params=1/1/4/0 float=y potential=256/200/0
  colors=000dGK<13>CmQ<26>r91<12>qBRqBTrDS<34>zsPztPxrO<37>312<4>947A58A58\
  <11>MCJNCKNEK<14>GoU<13>SdXTcXUbYVaZ<10>hPbmjh<36>iObrnH<19>rFS
  }

Des03              { ; Bill Rossi
                     ; Based on a William Decker frm
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=bdecker.frm formulaname=billsfn4
  function=cosh/cosxx/atanh passes=1 center-mag=0/0/0.6666667
  params=1/1/4/0 float=y potential=256/200/0
  colors=000zzzQ_l<18>8CQs0G<8>S08nTs<16>R9Veof<7>LQMpgX<7>wUO<7>UFCmkN<18\
  >RJ3yN9<10>PA4s0G<15>L69xy2<24>UR8gYi<23>L69abl<17>FARD9QC7PA5N_tS<15>HM\
  Ktw3<10>fd5s0G<6>S8BpKw<5>WFZSEVODRKCMKzz<6>A5Nzzzzzzzzz
  }

Des04              { ; Bill Rossi
                     ; Based on a William Decker frm
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=bdecker.frm formulaname=billsfn4
  function=recip/exp/abs
  center-mag=+1.11260997067448700/+1.04687092568448500/77.51938
  params=1/1/4/4 float=y potential=255/200/0
  colors=000uou<26>cWvnjaaZHyqu<11>h4myrr<16>T24pkp<2>MI_zuu<33>nr_sZmkBdA\
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  ut<40>P9dO7cO8c<9>IIgVbU<4>NYNzuu<6>upu
  }

Bill Rossi
http://members.aol.com/billatny/fractopi.htm

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (fractint) Posting pars
Date: 06 Feb 1999 21:54:39 -0500

> Mr. Decker admonished me for not submitting pars based on his last
formula
> after I complimented him on it.  So blame him for these pictures, not me.
[snip]
> Bill Rossi
Blame is not warranted. I find these images to be complimentary to what I
posted.

I'm always surprised by what others find in the  formulas I post. I write a
formula and then I wander around it trying to see its possibilities. After
banging away at it for what seems an eternity, I feel like I've exhausted
it.

A fresh view is always startling. That is why I asked for Bill's post.
Good, new perspective. I like the images.

Just to let you see where I've explored in this formula, here are images I
created on this theme last year.

flowerbed          { ;  (c) Bill Decker Aug 03, 1998 t=  0:02:09.40
                     ;  on P100 1024x768
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=0bill.frm formulaname=billsfn4
  function=cos/atan/abs
  center-mag=0.584848/-0.377847/14.09517/1/-162.5 params=5/5/-1/-5
  float=y potential=255/100/0
  colors=800AQNBRP<11>3GA3F93F9<21>144143133132122121111000<41>u00w00v00<3\
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  50130200<2>011011021031<3>0630630730830940940A4<3>1D71E82FA<9>9PM
  }

deathwords2        { ;  (c) Bill Decker Aug 08, 1998 t=  0:00:52.45
                     ;  on P150 800x600
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=0bill.frm formulaname=billsfn4
  function=cos/atan/abs passes=b
  center-mag=0.567271/-0.421102/13.34454/1/-157.499 params=5/5/-1/-5
  float=y fillcolor=200 potential=255/100/0
  colors=000Q00<13>k00m00m10<29>yk0zm0zm1<30>zzz<44>zz5zz3zz2zz0zy0<43>z50\
  z30z20z00y00<59>200000000000<14>O00
  }

frm:billsfm4  {
  z = p1, temp = pixel :
  z = fn1(temp^p2)
  IF (5 < z)
    temp = fn2(temp)
  ELSE
    temp = fn3(z)
  ENDIF
  z < 100
}


Bill Decker



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From: Paul Derbyshire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Posting pars
Date: 06 Feb 1999 22:01:25 -0500

At 09:54 PM 2/6/99 -0500, you wrote:
>flowerbed          { ;  (c) Bill Decker Aug 03, 1998 t=  0:02:09.40
>                     ;  on P100 1024x768

[deletia]

>deathwords2        { ;  (c) Bill Decker Aug 08, 1998 t=  0:00:52.45
>                     ;  on P150 800x600

[deletia]

Hey. Where did you get those 50 shiny new megahertz, and do you know where
I can get a few cheap? :-)

--
   .*.  "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not
-()  <  circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a
   `*'  straight line."    -------------------------------------------------
        -- B. Mandelbrot  |http://surf.to/pgd.net
_____________________ ____|________     Paul Derbyshire     [e-mail]
Programmer & Humanist|ICQ: 10423848|

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (fractint) Posting pars
Date: 07 Feb 1999 14:46:16 EST


Here is a Valentine's Day variation of the Des01 par posted by Bill Rossi,
formula by William Decker and color map by Linda Allison:

valen1             { ; Birdie
                        ; Based on a Bill Rossi par of a William Decker frm
                        ; Modified Linda Allison color map
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=valen.par formulaname=billsfv4
  function=ident/ident/log
  center-mag=0.0391379/-0.00708526/0.5980878/1.2096 params=6/0
  float=y potential=256/200/0
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  k<2>orgoqfnqempdlob<12>SgdQfePed<5>L`_K_ZJYX<7>8JJ7IH6GF5FE4DD3CB2AA<3>3\
  66356245234235236<3>22D31F42H42J53M64P<14>Q3qS2sT2uU1vV1xX0z<13>RQzQSzQS\
  z<13>aaqbbpddr<3>llz<4>gZqeWoeVn<13>W8YV6WU6V<14>F0FE0ED0DC0CB1B<4>626
  }

frm:billsfv4  {
  temp = pixel :
  z = fn1(temp^p1)
  IF (5 < z)
    temp = fn2(temp)
  ELSE
    temp = fn3(z)
  ENDIF
  z < 100
  }

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (fractint) Posting pars
Date: 08 Feb 1999 21:25:02 -0500

> Hey. Where did you get those 50 shiny new megahertz, and do you know
where
> I can get a few cheap? :-)
I work on two machines and since the image size and speed have impact on
time to complete, I try to keep my comments consistent with that fact.

The 150 MHz PC is a laptop. I had some concerns about buying a laptop for
fractaling, especially because that was going to be its primary purpose.
Since then I have discovered that the search for fractal images is mightily
enhanced when it is performed in a lazy-boy recliner with an adult beverage
in easy reach. (Something I would find hard to do with a desktop model.)

Bill Decker



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From: "narada" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Posting pars
Date: 09 Feb 1999 21:26:39 +1100

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Hi.
Im new to the list. Hope you like these...


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                     ; Based on a Bill Rossi par of a William Decker frm
                     ; Narada's colour map
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formulaname=3Dbillsfv4
  function=3Dcotan/sqrt/exp
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                     ; Based on a Bill Rossi par of a William Decker frm
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  function=3Dsqrt/cos/exp
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  IF (5 < z)
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From: "Wayne Kiely" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) 10 PARS and a FRM
Date: 10 Feb 1999 00:13:40 +1030

Hi all,

I found the following whilst starting to play with my first formulas.  My first real attempt was so
simple the results surprised me.  Someone with better maths might be able to explain the presence of
the 'julia like' zooms b, e and h into the points that are just visible in the 'bulbs' in the 'a'
mandelbrot image.  I have never seen the two together before.

Wayne

frm:WK990208 {
       z=c=pixel:
       z = z * z + pixel,
       if (fn1(|z|) < .05)
          z = z * 100
       endif
       |z| < 4
      }


wk990208a          { ; W Kiely <[e-mail]>
                     ; Feb  08, 1999
                     ; t=  0:09:30.84 on PII 350 MMX at 1024 x 768
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From: "AA" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) Binary code fractals
Date: 09 Feb 1999 13:53:38 -0500



> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Morgan L. Owens
> Sent: Friday, February 05, 1999 7:04 PM
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: (fractint) Binary code fractals
>
>
> At 01:38 05/02/99 EST, PKyleCA wrote:
> >In a message dated 2/4/99 10:31:12 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> [e-mail]
> >writes:
> >
> >
> > >01000110011101010110001101101011  >>
> >
> >perhaps binary code was our first hint of achieving fractals
> with computers-
> >exhibiting the properties of self-similarity (when various string lengths
> were observed)... <G>
> >
> The Morse-Thue sequence could well be looked at as a fractal bit sequence
> (in the same way that Pascal's triangle mod 2 can be seen as corresponding
> to Sierpinski's Gasket). It is certainly self-similar: for a start, just
> taking every _second_ bit in the sequence yields the original sequence.
>
> There are at least three ways of generating it (these come from the
> ever-enthralling Clifford Pickover's book "Mazes for the Mind")
>
> The first can be implemented as a L-system. Starting with a 0, we take the
> sequence we have up to now (to start with, "0") and replace each 0 with 01
> and each 1 with 10.
>
> For the second method we again start with 0. For each step, take the
> sequence we have up to now, copy it with all its bits flipped (writing "1"
> for "0" and vice versa), and append it to the original.
>
> The third is probably one of the easier methods for generating really long
> portions of the sequence, since it doesn't need to remember what has
> already been generated.
> Write down the binary expansions of the natural numbers 0, 1, 2, 3, ...
> Now for each number write down a 0 if there is an even number of "1"s in
> the binary expansion, and a 1 if there is an odd number.
>
> It's an eerie sequence to listen to (high note for 0, low note for 1,
> perhaps) and strangely difficult to type...
>
0110100110010110100101100110100110010110011010010110100110010110100101100110
>
1001011010011001011001101001100101101001011001101001100101100110100101101001
>
1001011001101001100101101001011001101001011010011001011010010110011010011001
> 0110011010010110100110010110...
>
>
>
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The Morse-Thue sequence is the parity of the sum of the digits of the binary
representation of the numbers 0, 1, 2, ...

If we substitute 1 for the 0's and -1 for the 1's in M-T then we get the
sequence 1 -1 -1 1 -1 1 1 -1 -1 1 1 -1 1 -1 -1 1 ...
which are the coefficients of the infinite series generated by
(1-x)*(1-x^2)*(1-x^4)*(1-x^8)...

Years ago, I created the notation
2-Prod f(x) = f(x)*f(x^2)*f(x^4)...
or more generally
n-Prod f(x,y) = f(x,y)*f(x^n,y^n)*f(x^(n^2),y^(n^2))*f(x^(n^3),y^(n^3))...

It turns out that this is the generating function for the Integer-Lattice
Scaling Fractal (ILSF)generated by the set of points corresponding to
f(x,y).

Thus, 2-Prod (1-x) generates the revised M-T and 2-Prod (1+x+y) generates
a serpinski triangle as does 2-Prod (1+xy+x^2).

I have written some code for generating these types of ILSF's and its
principles could be included in fractint, but...
it emphasizes number-theoretic and combinatorial qualities rather than
the analytic qualities of most fractint fractals.

One of my entries in the last contest was generated by this code.


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Subject: (fractint) Resend of above in plain text
Date: 10 Feb 1999 13:21:40 +1100

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From: Guy Marson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Tim's error
Date: 10 Feb 1999 17:40:03 +0100

Hi,

where can I find the *.frm from the "Tim's error" formula (for the Formula
Parser, type=formula)?
thanks for helping me.


cheers,

Guy




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From: "Andrew Coppin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Systems Theory
Date: 11 Feb 1999 08:58:11 GMT

I read a book the other day called "Systems Theory, Systems Practice"
(now, was it by Peter Checkland or was it Steve Skidmore... I can't
rememver...). It talks a lot about "the Science of Systems", which is
a "Science of the consiquences of Wholeness". The basic premise
behind this is that "the Whole is greater then the sum of its parts",
because "the Whole represents a highter (more constrianed) level of
organisation then the one below, having imergant properties that were
not present below". By way of example, the book talks about the other
sciences (Systems Theory itself is a "meta-science"?!?): "All of
Chemistry can be decomposed into Physics, but there are properties of
Chemistry that do not appear as a consiquence of Physics, which is
what makes the subject worthy of study in its own right. Simularly,
Bioligy could be decomposed into Chemistry, but of all the possible
arrangements of chemicals possible, only a limited subset appear in
Bioligy. This represents a higher level of organisation, which does
not appear and does not make sense at any lower level(s)."

Is it just me, or does someone else here echos of Fractal Geometry in
here? What would Mr. B. B. Mandelbrot have to say about that lot?

Please note that these are not EXACT quotes. I'll have a look in the
library and post some actual quotes (and an ISBN and author name)
tomorrow or sometime like that.

Nam et ipsa scientia potestus est!
(Sir Francis Facon)
Andrew Orphi Coppin
DMU MK.

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Traynor)
Subject: (fractint) Re: [fractal-art] FOTD 07-02-99 (Epicycle Fantasy) (C)
Date: 11 Feb 1999 07:39:23 -0500 (EST)

I started the par for this one, and saved it, but when I restore it the
rest of the screen generates a blank.  It generated fine in a view-window
using boundary tracing, though.  Any ideas, help, offers to point out how
I've stupidly missed something obvious?

I'm running in DOS, on a 486/33, at 1024x768.

--
Mike Traynor

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    Abraham Lincoln

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From: Gedeon Peteri <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) updated web site
Date: 11 Feb 1999 10:27:35 -0500

I have added two new pages of Ultra Fractal images to my Geocities web
site. I hope you enjoy your visit.

Gedeon

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From: "Jon Camp" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) website remake and update
Date: 11 Feb 1999 10:09:22 -0800

I've updated my entire site in order to get it ready for a move this weekend
to my own domain. I have also added 6 new fractals to my galleries. This
will be the last opportunity to visit it before we go offline for a week or
so to complete the move. Tell me what you think about the new layout.
Thanks.

Jon Camp
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main page: http://www.valpo.edu/home/student/jcamp/index.html
fractals page: http://www.valpo.edu/home/student/jcamp/html/fractals.html
philosophy page:
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From: Tom Conally <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) website remake and update
Date: 11 Feb 1999 14:58:18 -0500

At 10:09 AM 2/11/1999 -0800, you wrote:
> Tell me what you think about the new layout.
>Thanks.

I think it's a super layout, wonderful color coordination, and overall one
of the best sites I've seen in a long time.
Thanks for sharing.
Tom Conally
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Your life, Grasshopper, is to practice
till you find that throw
and become one with that boomerang!
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From: James Polley <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) What's up with the list?
Date: 12 Feb 1999 06:12:02 +1000

Hi! I was subscribed to the list several years ago, and I got used to recieving
20-30 messages each day. I've now re-subscribed, and I'm only getting one or two
messages a day. Whats up?

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James Polley            |  :-j <>< 'For God has not given
07 5595 4643            |  us a spirit of fear, but of
C/- Student Residences  |  power, and of love, and of a
Bond University, 4229   |  sound mind' 2 Tim 1:7

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From: "Ron Barnett" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) What's up with the list?
Date: 11 Feb 1999 15:35:42 -0500

Some of the traffic has move to the UltraFractal list

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of James Polley
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 1999 3:12 PM
> To: Fractint List
> Subject: (fractint) What's up with the list?
>
>
> Hi! I was subscribed to the list several years ago, and I got
> used to recieving
> 20-30 messages each day. I've now re-subscribed, and I'm only
> getting one or two
> messages a day. Whats up?
>
> --
> James Polley            |  :-j <>< 'For God has not given
> 07 5595 4643            |  us a spirit of fear, but of
> C/- Student Residences  |  power, and of love, and of a
> Bond University, 4229   |  sound mind' 2 Tim 1:7
>
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From: Sylvie Gallet <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re: [fractal-art] FOTD 07-02-99 (Epicycle Fantasy) (C)
Date: 11 Feb 1999 17:20:21 -0500

Hi Mike,

>> I started the par for this one, and saved it, but when I restore it th=
e
>> rest of the screen generates a blank.  It generated fine in a
>> view-window using boundary tracing, though.  Any ideas, help, offers t=
o
>> point out how I've stupidly missed something obvious?

  You probably have two different versions of the formula.  The formula J=
im
posted with his par is:

frm:MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth
a=3Dreal(p1), b=3Dimag(p1), d=3Dreal(p2), f=3Dimag(p2), g=3D1/f,
h=3D1/d, j=3D1/(f-b), z=3D(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=3Dreal(p3)+1,
l=3Dimag(p3)+100, c=3Dfn1(pixel):
z=3Dk*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c,
|z| < l
}

  so, when you start the par in Fractint, Fractint uses the formula that =
is
in the par file.  If you restore the image, Fractint will find this one i=
n
_m.frm:

MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth
c=3Dpixel, a=3Dreal(p1), b=3Dimag(p1), d=3Dreal(p2), f=3Dimag(p2),
g=3D1/f, h=3D1/d, j=3D1/(f-b), z=3D(-a*b*g*h)^j:
z=3D(a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f))+c,
|z| <=3D 100
  ;SOURCE: pink.par
}

  Cheers,

        - Sylvie

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From: "Tim Wegner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Anyone use Red Hat Linux?
Date: 11 Feb 1999 16:38:45 -0600

Does anyone have experience compiling Xfractint with Red Hat? I
use Slakware Linux and have no problems (but then again I only
compile the developer version these days.)

 I received the following message:

Hello!

I have downloaded Xfractint for Linux, but when I try to compile it I
get several error messages (see below). I am using Red Hat Linux
5.2 (Apollo) runnning on Cyrix 686. I have tried to adjust the source
according to the guidelines for Linux/Apollo, which are included in
the "makefile", but without success. I would be much obliged for
any suggestions and help.

Thanks in advance.

Best regards,
Andrej Lajovic

Error messages:

unixscr.c: In function `UnixInit':
unixscr.c:244: `SignalHandler' undeclared (first use this function)
unixscr.c:244: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
unixscr.c:244: for each function it appears in.)
unixscr.c:244: parse error before `goodbye'
unixscr.c: In function `shell_to_dos':
unixscr.c:2071: `SignalHandler' undeclared (first use this function)
unixscr.c:2071: parse error before `sigint'
unixscr.c:2076: `sigint' undeclared (first use this function)
unixscr.c:2076: parse error before `signal'
unixscr.c:2124: parse error before `sigint'
unixscr.c: In function `schedulealarm':
unixscr.c:2149: `SignalHandler' undeclared (first use this function)
unixscr.c:2149: parse error before `setredrawscreen'
make: *** [unixscr.o] Error 1



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From: "Mike and Linda Allison" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) What's up with the list?
Date: 11 Feb 1999 15:41:49 -0800

That happens every now and then, James.  I've never figured out why,
either, but rest assured, traffic will pick up eventually, and
spontaneously.

It may be because the shareware version of Ultrafractal was just
released, and everyone is enamored of it and otherwise occupied!  When
the newness wears off a little, people will start using all of their
programs again and traffic will increase.  (Ultrafractal and Fractint
are a perfect marriage, in my opinion.  I generate a lot of my images in
Fractint, then convert them to Ultrafractal for layering.  I doubt that
Fractint will ever lose it's audience permanently!)

Linda

-----Original Message-----


>Hi! I was subscribed to the list several years ago, and I got used to
recieving
>20-30 messages each day. I've now re-subscribed, and I'm only getting
one or two
>messages a day. Whats up?
>
>--
>James Polley            |  :-j <>< 'For God has not given
>07 5595 4643            |  us a spirit of fear, but of
>C/- Student Residences  |  power, and of love, and of a
>Bond University, 4229   |  sound mind' 2 Tim 1:7
>
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From: Ian Kaplan <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Anyone use Red Hat Linux?
Date: 11 Feb 1999 19:13:33 -0500 (EST)


>
> Does anyone have experience compiling Xfractint with Red Hat? I
> use Slakware Linux and have no problems (but then again I only
> compile the developer version these days.)
>

I'll try and test it over the weekend.


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From: "Zina Costiner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) simple source code needed
Date: 11 Feb 1999 19:25:26 -0500

Hi fractal-friends,

I have a student to prepare for the Science Fair on fractals.
The guy is in the 7th grade.

Could anyone  help me with any ideas or simple source code, please.
I would appreciate very much any suggestions.

Warm regards,

Zina Costiner
E-mail: [e-mail]




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From: "Koppens,Ton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) PAR & FRM
Date: 12 Feb 1999 12:53:32 +0000 (GMT)

Some pars for you to enjoy.
Have a nice weekend all.

Ton

===============================================================================

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                     ; Image Copyright 18 Sep 1998 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_b.frm
  formulaname=bills_diff_delt1 function=cosh passes=3
  center-mag=-0.250313/0.651085/2.73224 params=1/0.5/1/1.5/2.5/1.5
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  }

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                     ; Image Copyright 21 Sep 1998 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_b.frm
  formulaname=bills_diff_delt1 function=sin
  center-mag=+1.12944802776051500/+0.06976800198533709/58.36455/1.2065
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  }

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                     ; Image Copyright 21 Sep 1998 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
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  formulaname=bills_diff_delt1 function=sqrt passes=3
  center-mag=0.520651/0.0300501/1.893939 params=1.5/1/0.5/1/2/3
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  }

98111003           { ; 98111002 with other colors
                     ; CalcTime   0:01:38.86 at 800x600 on a P166
                     ; Image Copyright 10 Nov 1998 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=tim's_error function=sin passes=t
  center-mag=-2.00626995774959000/-1.36844021516822000/4222.748/3.1741/30/\
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  }

98111005           { ; uses 1star2.map by Kathy Roth
                     ; CalcTime   0:04:14.26 at 800x600 on a P166
                     ; Image Copyright 10 Nov 1998 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_s.frm
  formulaname=starFlexBalls_Mand function=atanh passes=t
  center-mag=-1.11022e-016/8.32667e-017/3.875969
  params=2.5/0.5/0.01/0.05 float=y bailout=55 decomp=256 biomorph=1
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98111006           { ; uses found_object2.map by Kathy Roth
                     ; CalcTime   0:06:24.24 at 800x600 on a P166
                     ; Image Copyright 10 Nov 1998 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_s.frm
  formulaname=starFlexBalls_Mand function=atanh passes=t
  center-mag=-1.18780475594493100/+0.11247112466241700/46.04221/2.1293
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  }

98122009           { ; CalcTime   0:04:31.49 at 800x600 on a P166
                     ; Image Copyright 20 Dec 1998 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=tim's_error function=tanh
  center-mag=+1.30632695141084400/+0.94503331193235840/1557.097/1/0/49.559
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98122011           { ; CalcTime   0:04:00.52 at 800x600 on a P166
                     ; Image Copyright 20 Dec 1998 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=tim's_error function=tanh
  center-mag=+1.30634044644263200/+0.94560822705900870/84185.61/1/0/49.559
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98122108           { ; CalcTime   0:01:46.56 at 800x600 on a P166
                     ; Image Copyright 21 Dec 1998 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=tim's_error function=tanh
  center-mag=-1.30059274107898900/-0.75024965216700480/147.2379
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                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
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                     ; Image Copyright 18 Jan 1999 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
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                     ; Image Copyright 18 Jan 1999 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
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99011806           { ; CalcTime   0:00:07.04 at 800x600 on a P166
                     ; Image Copyright 18 Jan 1999 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=barnsleym3
  center-mag=0.8799/-0.0318387/1.673352/1.3299 params=-1/0.5 float=y
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99013101           { ; uses migold.map
                     ; CalcTime   0:00:55.15 at 800x600 on a P166
                     ; Image Copyright 31 Jan 1999 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_b.frm formulaname=bills_wonder
  function=tanh
  center-mag=+1.43604505632040000/-0.03831385642737881/124.1399/1.6782/0/-\
  10.795 params=0.188615286/1/0.9897812/2/11/3 float=y maxiter=647
  decomp=256 biomorph=1
  colors=0If0If000<7>eWJ<23>111<46>pdOrePreP<62>511511621<60>qdOrePqdO<22>\
  SD4QB3RC4<14>B53942942942842
  }

99013102           { ; CalcTime   0:02:16.10 at 800x600 on a P166
                     ; Image Copyright 31 Jan 1999 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_b.frm formulaname=bills_wonder
  function=tanh center-mag=0/0/0.6666667 params=0.5/2/0.2/1/20/40
  float=y maxiter=647 decomp=256 biomorph=1
  colors=XBBYKK<4>WKLnYYWKL<5>ULMjVWULN<3>SMOSMOTNOhUVVOP<5>`RSfSTbST<5>hV\
  VdRRjWW<5>pZZaPPr__<3>vaat``sZ_dQOqXX<5>iQQ_KIgNO<5>`GHcMIYEF<5>R78gPIQ5\
  6<5>XB8kRIZD9<5>eJCoUIgKD<5>nQFsWIpSG<6>xZJz_KyYJ<12>j93i72i73i84i95<14>\
  K9CI9DH8C<3>D38<12>oZl<5>oampbmpcmpdnpdn<18>uruvsuvtvwuvwuw<4>zzzZBB`CBc\
  DBWDFjFC<5>hFDbIJhGD<5>fGEiNNeGF<5>dHGqSRcHG<5>bIHsXWaIH<5>`JIvaa_JJ<5>Y\
  JKr__YKK
  }

99013103           { ; CalcTime   0:00:47.79 at 800x600 on a P166
                     ; Image Copyright 31 Jan 1999 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_b.frm formulaname=bills_wonder
  function=tanh center-mag=-3.33067e-016/2.22045e-016/2.73224
  params=0.5/2/0.2/1/20/40 float=y maxiter=647 decomp=256 biomorph=1
  colors=JENW8H<31>yxxzzzzyy<34>ZIJYGHYHH<21>nia<14>H78E45E34F23<5>C44B55A\
  55966966<44>mX5<11>ID8FC9CA998AA9C<13>OMTQNVPMU<5>LGOKFOJDM<8>B4DA3CB4D<\
  10>VFOXGP_HRbHSeIUdKTcKTbLS<6>f6Og3Nf3N<6>X4GV5FV5FV6G
  }

99013104           { ; uses migold.map
                     ; CalcTime   0:01:47.37 at 800x600 on a P166
                     ; Image Copyright 31 Jan 1999 by Ton Koppens
                     ; e-mail:[e-mail]
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=_b.frm
  formulaname=bills_xy-trade6 function=tanh/sqr/sinh
  center-mag=0/0/0.6666667 params=1/0.5/1/0.5/10/20 float=y
  maxiter=647 decomp=256 biomorph=1
  colors=0If0If000<7>eWJ<23>111<46>pdOrePreP<62>511511621<60>qdOrePqdO<22>\
  SD4QB3RC4<14>B53942942942842
  }

FRM:bills_diff_delt1  { ; Apr-13-98
                   ; p1 = offset for y var
                   ; real p2 = base real exponent
                   ; imag p2 = base imag exponent
                   ; real p3 = exponent real delta
                   ; imag p3 = exponent imag delta
                   ;
  c = x = pixel, y = pixel + p1
  splus = real(p2) + real(p3) + flip(imag(p2) + imag(p3))
  sminus = real(p2) - real(p3) + flip(imag(p2) - imag(p3)):
  xtemp = x^splus +c
  x = fn1(xtemp)
  ytemp = y^sminus +c
  y = fn1(ytemp)
  d = |x-y|
  z = d^2
  |z| < 2
  ;SOURCE: 180998.frm
}

FRM:starFlexBalls_Mand {;adapted from Paul Carlson by Kathy Roth
; Copyright (c) Paul W. Carlson, 1998
    ; p1 = radius of center of ring (0.01 to 10)
    ; p2 = one half thickness of ring (0.01 to p1)
    ;
    c=log(sqr(sqr(pixel))*pixel)*0.2
    w = z = iter = bailout = 0
    d0 = p1 + p2
    d1 = 0.382683432365 * p1
    d2 = 0.923879532511 * p1
    dsqd = d0 * d0 + p1 * p1 - (d0 + d0) * d2
    :
     w2=fn1(w)+c
    w=c*(1-w2*w2)/(1+w2*w2)
    ;
    IF ((abs(cabs(w) - p1) < p2) && iter > 0)
 bailout = 1
 wr = real(w), wi = imag(w)
 awr = abs(wr), awi = abs(wi)
 IF (awr >= awi)
     dist = (awr - d2) * (awr - d2) + (awi - d1) * (awi - d1)
     adjust = 1
 ELSE
     dist = (awr - d1) * (awr - d1) + (awi - d2) * (awi - d2)
     adjust = 0
 ENDIF
 IF     (wr >= 0 && wi >= 0)
     range_num = 1 - adjust
 ELSEIF (wr < 0 && wi >= 0)
     range_num = 2 + adjust
 ELSEIF (wr < 0 && wi < 0)
     range_num = 5 - adjust
 ELSE
     range_num = 6 + adjust
 ENDIF
 ratio = sqrt(dist / dsqd)
 z = 29 * ratio + range_num * 30 + 1
    ENDIF
    iter = iter + 1
    z = z - iter
    bailout == 0 && |w| < 1000
  ;SOURCE: 281098.frm
}

FRM:bills_wonder  {
  z = 1/pixel, a = real(p1), b = imag(p1):
  ztemp = z^a - z^b
  z = (fn1(ztemp)^p2)/z
  |z| < real(p3)
  ;SOURCE: 061098.frm
}

FRM:bills_xy-trade6  {
  a = real(p1), b = imag(p1)
  c = real(p2), d = imag(p2)
  e = real(p3), f = imag(p3)
  z = pixel+c/pixel
  zold = pixel^e:
  x = (real(z)-real(zold))^a
  y = (imag(z)-imag(zold))^b
  zold = fn3(z)
  z = (y +flip(x))
  z = ( (fn1(z)) - (fn2(zold)) )^d
  |z| < f
  ;SOURCE: 281098.frm
}

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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) What's up with the list?
Date: 12 Feb 1999 14:25:11 +0100

I hope so. I joined april 98, in the middle of a text editor war :)
Lesse... there were Kragen (still think it's too bad he left), Peter Gavin,
Paul Carlson, Steve 'SKarl52884', Paul Derbyshire, Jiho Kim, Linda Allison,
Jon Camp, 'davides', Christian Strik :), Paul N. Lee, Wizzle (where's she
been??), ....

There have been days we had over 60 messages.... now it takes about 60 days
to receive one message :)

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>That happens every now and then, James.  I've never figured out why,
>either, but rest assured, traffic will pick up eventually, and
>spontaneously.




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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Anyone use Red Hat Linux?
Date: 12 Feb 1999 14:18:26 +0100

Me too.

-----Original Message-----


>
>>
>> Does anyone have experience compiling Xfractint with Red Hat? I
>> use Slakware Linux and have no problems (but then again I only
>> compile the developer version these days.)
>>
>
>I'll try and test it over the weekend.
>
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From: George Martin <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re: [fractal-art] FOTD 07-02-99 (Epicycle Fantasy) (C)
Date: 12 Feb 1999 10:45:45 -0500

Friends,

Sylvie Gallet correctly pointed out yesterday that there are two formulas=

in circulation with the name mandelbrotmix4. I have renamed the earlier o=
ne
"mandelbrotmix4_v1", and am leaving the later version (the one which Jim =
is
currently using in FOTD postings) with the name mandelbrotmix4. I am
editing the orgform compilation accordingly. To stay in sync with me, tho=
se
who are following along should delete the current mandelbrotmix4 from
_m.frm and add these two:


MandelbrotMix4 {; Jim Muth
  a=3Dreal(p1), b=3Dimag(p1), d=3Dreal(p2), f=3Dimag(p2), g=3D1/f
  h=3D1/d, j=3D1/(f-b), z=3D(-a*b*g*h)^j, k=3Dreal(p3)+1
  l=3Dimag(p3)+100, c=3Dfn1(pixel):
  z=3Dk*((a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f)))+c
  |z| < l
}


MandelbrotMix4_v1 {; Jim Muth
  c=3Dpixel, a=3Dreal(p1), b=3Dimag(p1), d=3Dreal(p2), f=3Dimag(p2)
  g=3D1/f, h=3D1/d, j=3D1/(f-b), z=3D(-a*b*g*h)^j:
  z=3D(a*(z^b))+(d*(z^f))+c
  |z| <=3D 100
}


Regards,

George Martin

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From: "Jim Prickett" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) simple source code needed
Date: 12 Feb 1999 10:09:24 -0800

>I have a student to prepare for the Science Fair on fractals.
>The guy is in the 7th grade.
>
>Could anyone  help me with any ideas or simple source code, please.
>I would appreciate very much any suggestions.

You might take a look at my webpage "The Programmer's Lair".
The entire site is dedicated to source code for fractals, chaos,
other eye candy.  Goto http://geocities.com/SiliconValley/Way/9943 or
http://i.am.fractals

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From: Mike Hammer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Anyone use Red Hat Linux?
Date: 12 Feb 1999 16:02:02 -0600

>>>
>>> Does anyone have experience compiling Xfractint with Red Hat? I
>>> use Slakware Linux and have no problems (but then again I only
>>> compile the developer version these days.)
>>>
>>

Hi,
Im new to the list but have used and enjoyed
Fractint for quite a while.

I tried to compile Xfractint on a Redhat 5.2 system
and encountered a number of errors. I dont remember
what they were now as it was several weeks ago. As I remember
it was the compiler complaining of missing modules when
compiling general.o If I remember correctly the module it
complained about was bstring.h.

I downloaded the source from:
http://spanky.triumf.ca/www/fractint/getting.html

I opted for a rpm install of Xfractint I found on an ftp site.
This installed OK but I havnt been able to get it to to run.

I get an error stating:

"Error opening terminal: xterm."

Anybody have any suggestions?

TTYL!

Mike Hammer
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From: Paul Derbyshire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Anyone use Red Hat Linux?
Date: 12 Feb 1999 17:56:05 -0500

At 04:02 PM 2/12/99 -0600, you wrote:

[Another person comes forward with the announcement that xfract won't
 compile on Red Hat 5.2]

I think the problem is probably some sort of X related thing. Linux itself
has little code base forking, but the various free X implementations have
forked a great deal and aren't all that intercompatible so I hear.

The other thing is "standard" libraries. Libc, libm, and iostreams usually
are compatible across Linuxes and among particular variants, but the
various C++ libraries other than iostreams seem to vary a huge amount,
largely because the standard has only recently been decided. The SGI STL
implementation is now pretty much standard, but some programs exist that
were written using older C++ libraries of varying degrees of compatibility.
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From: Bob Margolis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) What's up with the list?
Date: 12 Feb 1999 17:23:54 -0600

Dean-Christian Strik wrote some stuff to which I now reply:
>
Most of us are still here, although Wizzle has become a railfan and has
deserted us for rides on the iron horse. She'll be back when she regains her
senses. :-)

You'be been made aware of the Ultra Fractal software, which is being tested and
tested and tested by the lot of us, including moi, on another mailing list. You
can pick it up at http://www.ultrafactal.com although it's now in the shareware
stage and being sold for 35 USD. It's a nice program. But don't worry, I'm sure
everyone will come back here en masse once Master Tim announces the release of
FractInt V. 20. Then someone will be wondering on the other mailing list were
everyone disappeared to. You might say that's PAR for the course! Groan. Sorry,
couldn't help using the pun.

I'm outta here.

Bob

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From: Jim Muth <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re: Two versions of same formula
Date: 12 Feb 1999 19:02:56 -0500 (EST)

At 10:45 AM 2/12/99 -0500, George Martin wrote:

   <snip>
>. . . there are two formulas in circulation with the name
>mandelbrotmix4. I have renamed the earlier one
>"mandelbrotmix4_v1", and am leaving the later version (the one
>which Jim is currently using in FOTD postings) with the name
>mandelbrotmix4. . . .  <snip>

I did it again.  This is about the third time this had happened.
I'm as sorry as presid... (I'd better not mention it.)  I try not
to let any duplicated formulas get through, but now and then one
slips by.  It happens because I often post FOTD's created with
formulas that are still in the development stage.  In this case,
I had no idea that I had ever posted a par file that used the old
version.  Thanks again to George for keeping my disorganized
jumble of formulas in at least a modicum of order.

Jim Muth
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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Anyone use Red Hat Linux?
Date: 13 Feb 1999 01:05:47 +0100

Hm. I seem to have an older copy of the xfractint source, and not even the
official distribution :(

I'll give it a try anyway.

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-----Original Message-----


>Me too.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ian Kaplan <[e-mail]>
>To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>Date: vrijdag 12 februari 1999 01 20 Fluxen
>Subject: Re: (fractint) Anyone use Red Hat Linux?
>
>
>>
>>>
>>> Does anyone have experience compiling Xfractint with Red Hat? I
>>> use Slakware Linux and have no problems (but then again I only
>>> compile the developer version these days.)
>>>
>>
>>I'll try and test it over the weekend.
>>
>>
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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Anyone use Red Hat Linux?
Date: 13 Feb 1999 01:09:37 +0100

My distribution of the xfractint source (not the official one!) contains the
binary. However, the binary exits with the error that ncurses.so can't be
found.


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-----Original Message-----


>>>>
>>>> Does anyone have experience compiling Xfractint with Red Hat? I
>>>> use Slakware Linux and have no problems (but then again I only
>>>> compile the developer version these days.)
>>>>
>>>
>
>Hi,
>Im new to the list but have used and enjoyed
>Fractint for quite a while.
>
>I tried to compile Xfractint on a Redhat 5.2 system
>and encountered a number of errors. I dont remember
>what they were now as it was several weeks ago. As I remember
>it was the compiler complaining of missing modules when
>compiling general.o If I remember correctly the module it
>complained about was bstring.h.
>
>I downloaded the source from:
>http://spanky.triumf.ca/www/fractint/getting.html
>
>I opted for a rpm install of Xfractint I found on an ftp site.
>This installed OK but I havnt been able to get it to to run.
>
>I get an error stating:
>
>"Error opening terminal: xterm."
>
>Anybody have any suggestions?
>
>TTYL!
>
>Mike Hammer
>[e-mail]
>
>
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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) simple source code needed
Date: 13 Feb 1999 01:07:21 +0100

>http://i.am.fractals


Huh? Seems like a ridiculous url to me... anyway, I tested it, but hey, it
doesn't work (not really surprising).

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From: Paul Derbyshire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) simple source code needed
Date: 12 Feb 1999 21:02:50 -0500

At 01:07 AM 2/13/99 +0100, you wrote:
>>http://i.am.fractals
>
>
>Huh? Seems like a ridiculous url to me... anyway, I tested it, but hey, it
>doesn't work (not really surprising).

It should be
http://i.am/fractals


>Real programmers like vending machine popcorn. Coders pop it in the
>microwave oven. Real programmers use the heat given off by the CPU. They can
>tell what job is running just by listening to the rate of popping.

The 1970s were the days for hackers. Those were the days when code grinders
were code grinders, suits were suits, hackers never wore suits, and real
men arranged NOPs and weird instructions in their idle loops and positioned
data on drums in such a way as to make the CPU put out RF signals that
played a tune on an AM radio sitting near the box!

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From: Paul Derbyshire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Anyone use Red Hat Linux?
Date: 12 Feb 1999 21:03:56 -0500

At 01:09 AM 2/13/99 +0100, you wrote:
>My distribution of the xfractint source (not the official one!) contains the
>binary. However, the binary exits with the error that ncurses.so can't be
>found.

Well...get ncurses.so. It's a linux equivalent of a DLL. You know what to
do about missing DLL problems right? :-)

>PS. Never use RPMs. Not on non-RedHat systems, and not even on RedHat...

Why?
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From: Paul Derbyshire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) What's up with the list?
Date: 12 Feb 1999 21:58:24 -0500

Ultra Fractal is timebombware. It should by all rights be free and open
source. :P

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From: Ken Childress <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) What's up with the list?
Date: 12 Feb 1999 19:11:44 -0800 (PST)

>
> Ultra Fractal is timebombware. It should by all rights be free and open
> source. :P

Why?

Just because the original authors of Fractint chose to make the code
open and freely available doesn't mean that everyone who writes software
should follow suit.  UF is an outstanding program and Frederik has done
a fantastic job of developing it and incorporating the suggestions and
comments of the beta testers.  That isn't to say that Fractint doesn't
have its advandages over UF.  They are both outstanding tools to create
images with.  IMO, it is worth twice the $35 shareware fee.  I think
Frederik is well within his rights to make it shareware.  Even if it
were freeware, I don't see that he should be obligated to share the
source.

Of course, YMMV.


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From: Gedeon Peteri <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) further web site update
Date: 12 Feb 1999 22:21:58 -0500

I have done some further work on my Geocities web site. There is a
second page of Chebyshev images, and the Classic Curves page has been
completely updated with new images. Both of these pages contain Ultra
Fractal images. I hope you enjoy your visit.

Gedeon

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Traynor)
Subject: Re: (fractint) What's up with the list?
Date: 12 Feb 1999 22:25:58 -0500 (EST)

Bob,

Folk will probably be using fractint's evolver to come up with stuff
they'll tart up in UF (which is an awfully nice bit o' software).

>
>Dean-Christian Strik wrote some stuff to which I now reply:
>>
>Most of us are still here, although Wizzle has become a railfan and has
>deserted us for rides on the iron horse. She'll be back when she regains her
>senses. :-)
>
>You'be been made aware of the Ultra Fractal software, which is being tested and
>tested and tested by the lot of us, including moi, on another mailing list. You
>can pick it up at http://www.ultrafactal.com although it's now in the shareware
>stage and being sold for 35 USD. It's a nice program. But don't worry, I'm sure
>everyone will come back here en masse once Master Tim announces the release of
>FractInt V. 20. Then someone will be wondering on the other mailing list were
>everyone disappeared to. You might say that's PAR for the course! Groan. Sorry,
>couldn't help using the pun.
>
>I'm outta here.
>
>Bob
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From: Paul DeCelle <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) What's up with the list?
Date: 13 Feb 1999 00:20:24 -0500



Paul Derbyshire wrote:

> Ultra Fractal is timebombware. It should by all rights be free and open
> source. :P

Why should ALL software be free?  As far as I'm concerned, that's up to the
author(s) who've made the effort to develop it for the rest of us to use.  Don't
get me wrong - Fractint is an outstanding program, and you can't beat the price
(free!).  On the other hand, the  $35 US for Ultra Fractal is a (IMHO) real
value when one takes into account it's additional features and capabilities.
I'll continue to use both, but that's my personal choice - Factint for coming up
with inspirations and UF for refinements...

BTW, my small (so far!) UF site at  http://pages.prodigy.net/pauldc/ufintro.html
shows a hint of what can be done with combining Fractint formulas and UF
features.

Regards, Paul DeCelle


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From: Paul Derbyshire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) What's up with the list?
Date: 13 Feb 1999 01:04:10 -0500

At 07:11 PM 2/12/99 -0800, you wrote:
>Just because the original authors of Fractint chose to make the code
>open and freely available doesn't mean that everyone who writes software
>should follow suit.  UF is an outstanding program and Frederik has done
>a fantastic job of developing it and incorporating the suggestions and
>comments of the beta testers...

...only to then discriminate against the poor, the students, and everyone
who has a bankruptcy in their records 7 years young or younger.
Software should be equally available to everyone with a computer regardless
of their means, because it can easily be distributed to everyone with a
computer.
As a compromise, it should certainly always be possible to obtain it easily
and conveniently if you have the money, and shouldn't cost more than
amortized cost of development plus distribution cost.
Requiring someone use a credit card to get something makes it inaccessible
to some people that can afford it and by all rights should be able to get
it quickly and conveniently.
Requiring someone use a credit card to get something is wrong and violates
the constitution of nearly all decent free countries.
Remember the recent ruling that struck down a law that would have required
people have a credit card to view online porn and to access sexual medical
information and so forth, as proof of age? It was struck down because it
was discriminatory and violated the first amendment in the US by making
some constitutionally protected free speech available only to the elite
(that is, people that are well to do, certainly not students anymore, and
haven't been bankrupt).

Elitism must end. Especially this software elitism.
Been bankrupt? A world of downloadable $$$-ware is beyond your grasp, even
if you have the physical cash.
Student? Unemployed? Still a minor? Forget it. You'll just have to stick to
the expensive, overpriced software in the local computer retail which is
available to people via ready cash.
A victim of identity theft and credit fraud? Stick to nonags.com...forget
about Paint Shop Pro, Ultra Fractal, and Adobe Acrobat.
Unexpectedly laid off? The door to a lot of software just slammed shut.

It almost makes you want to try those $$$GET GOOD CREDIT INSTANTLY!!!$$$
schemes just on the off chance they won't land you in prison.
Or sneak off with your father's credit card...


Credit cards must stop being a necessity for electronic commerce.
We need a direct-debit system, where if you have the money in a bank
account, you can buy online.
And until that system is imposed, at the very least, it should all be free.

>IMO, it is worth twice the $35 shareware fee.

It is not fair though that there are people who physically have the $35 and
still can't get it!


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-()  <  circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Traynor)
Subject: Re: (fractint) What's up with the list?
Date: 13 Feb 1999 01:46:28 -0500 (EST)

Paul Derbyshire writes:

>...only to then discriminate against the poor, the students, and everyone
>who has a bankruptcy in their records 7 years young or younger.
>Software should be equally available to everyone with a computer regardless
>of their means, because it can easily be distributed to everyone with a
>computer.

Hmmmm, I'm sure anyone could use your computer.  Shall I send them over to
play with it?

>As a compromise, it should certainly always be possible to obtain it easily
>and conveniently if you have the money, and shouldn't cost more than
>amortized cost of development plus distribution cost.

It would be my guess the Frederik will not get enough money off UF to pay
him at a rate commensurate with the skill used for the time he will have
spent on the program.  Only he (and perhaps the revenuers in the
Netherlands) will know, as folk are oddly cagy about what they make (that
kind of secrecy usually helps the folk buying labour, not selling it).

>Requiring someone use a credit card to get something makes it inaccessible
>to some people that can afford it and by all rights should be able to get
>it quickly and conveniently.

Well, one could always e-mail and ask if something like a postal money
order would be acceptable.  I did, for UF, and they are.

>Requiring someone use a credit card to get something is wrong and violates
>the constitution of nearly all decent free countries.

That is an interesting viewpoint, and I don't think the lack of references
is due to inadvertance.

>Remember the recent ruling that struck down a law that would have required
>people have a credit card to view online porn and to access sexual medical
>information and so forth, as proof of age? It was struck down because it
>was discriminatory and violated the first amendment in the US by making
>some constitutionally protected free speech available only to the elite
>(that is, people that are well to do, certainly not students anymore, and
>haven't been bankrupt).

You need to learn that court decisions only stand for what they decide.
The court did not decide that the owner of a site could not charge for
access and refuse to take any form of payment but credit card.  It ruled
that site owners could not be required by law to require credit card info
up front before showing anything.  Two very different things.

>Elitism must end. Especially this software elitism.

By all means, take the bull by the horns and produce free software for
others to use and so squeeze out those who would sell it.  There actually
is a group of folk doing just that.  Putting their efforts where their
metaphorical mouth is.


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From: Paul Derbyshire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) What's up with the list?
Date: 13 Feb 1999 03:57:40 -0500

At 01:46 AM 2/13/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Well, one could always e-mail and ask if something like a postal money
>order would be acceptable.  I did, for UF, and they are.

I seem to recall mentioning something about "quickly, conveniently, and
easily"... messing with snail mail, paying extra for stamps and envelopes,
and waiting for however long the snail mail takes (if it gets there at
all!) doesn't strike me as "quickly, conveniently, and easily".

I think if a person has the right to something (because, for instance, they
have the money) then they have the right to obtain it as quickly,
conveniently, and easily as everyone else.

>That is an interesting viewpoint, and I don't think the lack of references
>is due to inadvertance.

Lack of references? I cited in detail a recent event where a court struck
down a law that would have made something available only to the People With
Credit.

>By all means, take the bull by the horns and produce free software for
>others to use and so squeeze out those who would sell it.  There actually
>is a group of folk doing just that.  Putting their efforts where their
>metaphorical mouth is.

I plan to. :-)

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   `*'  straight line."    -------------------------------------------------
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From: "Marie Drozdis" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) What's up with the list?
Date: 13 Feb 1999 10:30:35 -0800

Paul, if you want software free, the answer is simple. Write your own
programs.  No one needs to feel entitled to other's work when they can do
their own. If you don't know how to program, there are books at the library
to get you started.

M  :)


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From: JOAN <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Bifurcations
Date: 13 Feb 1999 16:48:05 +0100

Hi,
I wrote before but am not sure that the purpose of my query was clear. I
want to do bifurcations with Fractint, inserting specific values in
place of the ones given for growth factor, population, etc. If is
possible and someone can tell me how to do it, I would be grateful.
joan duran


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From: JOAN <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Bifurcations
Date: 13 Feb 1999 16:48:05 +0100

Hi,
I wrote before but am not sure that the purpose of my query was clear. I
want to do bifurcations with Fractint, inserting specific values in
place of the ones given for growth factor, population, etc. If is
possible and someone can tell me how to do it, I would be grateful.
joan duran


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From: "Damien M. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) What's up with the list?
Date: 13 Feb 1999 10:55:23 -0600

Paul,

 - Ultra Fractal is timebombware. It should by all rights be free and open
 - source. :P

You and I have covered this in private e-mail before. For some reason you
labor under the impression that you, simple by virtue of your existence,
are *entitled* to help yourself to the work of everyone else, for free.

You can pay for Ultra Fractal (and most other shareware!) by sending a
check or money order to the author. How DARE you whine that it's "too much
trouble" to mess with stamps and writing a check! Do you think the world is
here to coddle you? Do you whine that your groceries must be delivered to
your door, because it's too much trouble for you to go to the supermarket
to pick them up?

It's time you shed this infantile attitude that you can help yourself to
everything in the world. Frederik took the opportunity to develop a fine
piece of software. If he wants to charge for his labors, he is entitled to
do so. Plain and simple. When you do the work, you can decide whether to
give it away or sell it, but don't even THINK about presuming to dictate to
someone else.

I suspect once you get out of school and into the real world, you will
understand the value of work. There are some things you really don't learn
in school.

Damien M. Jones   \\
[e-mail]  \\  Fractalus Galleries & Info:
                    \\  http://www.fractalus.com/

Please do not post my e-mail address on a web site or
in a newsgroup.  Thank you.

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From: Bob Margolis <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Dean: We're here.
Date: 13 Feb 1999 11:15:26 -0600

Dean-Christian;

See. We're still all here--and we're talking. :-))))))

Bob

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Traynor)
Subject: Re: (fractint) What's up with the list?
Date: 13 Feb 1999 12:26:10 -0500 (EST)

>I think if a person has the right to something (because, for instance, they
>have the money) then they have the right to obtain it as quickly,
>conveniently, and easily as everyone else.
>
>>That is an interesting viewpoint, and I don't think the lack of references
>>is due to inadvertance.
>
>Lack of references? I cited in detail a recent event where a court struck
>down a law that would have made something available only to the People With
>Credit.

If you re-read my post (or indeed pretty much any of the media reports, or
hey, find the decision on the web - it will probably be up soon if it
isn't yet - and free) you will see that this is not the case.  The
case revolved around the restriction placed on people who would distribute
information, i.e they would only be allowed to distribute information if
they had obtained some sort of ID first.  The case did not say that if I
(assuming I were subject to US law - which I'm not) have a website and
wish to restrict access to people who can pay by credit card that I may
not do so.  I can demand payment in any form I like.  What the court
decided was that the US government could not force me to demand a credit
card or other form of ID where I did not wish to do so.

As this whole thread is really off-topic here, I'll leave the rest of Mr
D's argument unanswered.  This, though was a matter of correcting a
misrepresentation.

--
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From: Ken Childress <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) What's up with the list?
Date: 13 Feb 1999 11:50:43 -0800 (PST)


Paul,

> At 07:11 PM 2/12/99 -0800, you wrote:
> >Just because the original authors of Fractint chose to make the code
> >open and freely available doesn't mean that everyone who writes software
> >should follow suit.  UF is an outstanding program and Frederik has done
> >a fantastic job of developing it and incorporating the suggestions and
> >comments of the beta testers...
>
> ...only to then discriminate against the poor, the students, and everyone
> who has a bankruptcy in their records 7 years young or younger.
> Software should be equally available to everyone with a computer regardless
> of their means, because it can easily be distributed to everyone with a
> computer.

Really? Why do you think that you, or anyone for that matter, has a
right to the labors of others for free?

Sheeesh, I guess anything that costs money discriminates against someone
by this [il]logic.

> As a compromise, it should certainly always be possible to obtain it easily
> and conveniently if you have the money, and shouldn't cost more than
> amortized cost of development plus distribution cost.

If this were the case for UF, you certainly wouldn't be able to afford
it, and neither would most people.

> Requiring someone use a credit card to get something makes it inaccessible
> to some people that can afford it and by all rights should be able to get
> it quickly and conveniently.

Put a check in the mail, or Money Order, or cash if you want to risk
it.

> Requiring someone use a credit card to get something is wrong and violates
> the constitution of nearly all decent free countries.
> Remember the recent ruling that struck down a law that would have required
> people have a credit card to view online porn and to access sexual medical
> information and so forth, as proof of age? It was struck down because it
> was discriminatory and violated the first amendment in the US by making
> some constitutionally protected free speech available only to the elite
> (that is, people that are well to do, certainly not students anymore, and
> haven't been bankrupt).

This is just nonsense.  The recent court decision applied only to the
rampant distribution of porn, and was a speech issue.  It had nothing to
do with paying for SW with a credit card.  IMO, you are only kidding
yourself if you think that regulation of this and other activities isn't
forthcoming in the future.  However, that is certainly no topic for this
list.

> Elitism must end. Especially this software elitism.

Yes, I agree, your kind of elitism must end.  It is a destructive
attitude, IMO.

> Been bankrupt? A world of downloadable $$$-ware is beyond your grasp, even
> if you have the physical cash.
> Student? Unemployed? Still a minor? Forget it. You'll just have to stick to
> the expensive, overpriced software in the local computer retail which is
> available to people via ready cash.
> A victim of identity theft and credit fraud? Stick to nonags.com...forget
> about Paint Shop Pro, Ultra Fractal, and Adobe Acrobat.
> Unexpectedly laid off? The door to a lot of software just slammed shut.

Well, I think the appropriate response here is "life happens".  Quit
whining about it.  Get off your hiney and do something about it.  I
assume you are an intelligent individual, put your talents to work to
benefit yourself and others.

> It almost makes you want to try those $$$GET GOOD CREDIT INSTANTLY!!!$$$
> schemes just on the off chance they won't land you in prison.
> Or sneak off with your father's credit card...

Or, send a check or MO.

> Credit cards must stop being a necessity for electronic commerce.
> We need a direct-debit system, where if you have the money in a bank
> account, you can buy online.
> And until that system is imposed, at the very least, it should all be free.

ROTFLMAO.  Grow up.  This may very well happen, however, it certainly
isn't a dire necessity.

> >IMO, it is worth twice the $35 shareware fee.
>
> It is not fair though that there are people who physically have the $35 and
> still can't get it!

Nonsense.

If you care to futher this exchange, feel free to email me privately, as
I think we are now into territory not appropriate for this list.



Ken...



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (fractint) New (free) fractint utility
Date: 13 Feb 1999 20:16:04 +0000

Hi Folks,
  At the risk of inflaming the on going free software debate further may I
announce the birth of Paste & go! the new, potentially useful, definitely
simple, front end for fractint under win95.

  As I've been told to learn some visual basic for work ( Don't even *think*
about that message anyone, I know it's slow and nasty and non portable and all
:-) ... and this isn't a language advocacy list!) I've made my first ever
windows app something that the list members here might have a use for.

 It's a box you can paste a par into, (make sure that it's the sort of par that
has the formula included if necessary, separate frms get dealt with next
version) and a big button that invokes fractint and tells it to calculate the
par... no more fiddling with notepad or whatever.

And that's all so far :-)

get it here:

http://web.ukonline.co.uk/robin.b2/pastengo.zip   (4k)

It runs on win 95 and NT4 and probably win98, just unzip into your fractint dir
and run it from there.

If you get a complaint about a missing DLL when you try and run it than you'll
need to grab this also:

http://web.ukonline.co.uk/robin.b2/msruntime.zip (640K!!)

and unzip it into your windows/system directory (or windows/system32 if using
NT4) Though it looks like this file, msvbm50.dll, comes with win95.

That's it really, all should be obvious, it will help if you have an sstools.ini
with a default video mode, then you won't have to keep selecting one.

!!!!!!!!! Don't mail the list with complaints!!!!!!!!!

mail me instead:

[e-mail]  or  [e-mail]

All comments gratefully received, if possible remember to tell me the source of
the data you pasted (email client, editor, web page or whatever)

Cheers,
     Robin.

P.S. this is free, no charge, only took me a lunch hour anyway, no guarantees,
not-very-pretty-ware. You have been warned :-)

P.P.S make sure that the first character you select for the copy from email or
wherever is the first character of the par name, and only one par at a time
please.



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From: Baxter Tocher <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Looking for map
Date: 13 Feb 1999 18:50:45 +0000

Hi folks

Can anyone point me towards alien.map? I need to to render a .par
properly and can't find it anywhere.

Thanks

--

Baxter

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From: "Shauna Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Any tips using Elsa adaptor w/ Fractint?
Date: 13 Feb 1999 11:06:51 -1000

Just yesterday ordered myself a birthday present - an
Elsa Gloria Synergy PCI display adaptor with 8MB of
SGRAM, 2D and 3D acceleration, support for video
input/output, so on.

Anything I should be aware of or watch out for? Thanks!

Another blast of bits from David
http://www.aloha.net/~shauna/   http://www.hawastsoc.org/
For the best Hawaii & Pacific Basin surf forecast: mailto:[e-mail]

Random Thought for this Nanosecond
HTML = Hard-to-Manage Language (D.Jones)



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From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) What's up with the list?
Date: 13 Feb 1999 15:23:06 -0600

Dean-Christian Strik wrote:
>
> Lesse... there were Kragen (still think it's too bad he left),
> Peter Gavin, Paul Carlson, Steve 'SKarl52884', Paul Derbyshire,
> Jiho Kim, Linda Allison, Jon Camp, 'davides', Christian Strik :),
> Paul N. Lee, ....
>

I am still around, just barely have time to read all 100+ email a day
(that's personal email).  Then there is the new job as D.P.Manager, with
another set of email.  Plus, keeping up to date on all of the new
Fractal Related websites and Links, etc.....   :-)

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From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) What's up with the list?
Date: 13 Feb 1999 15:36:22 -0600

Paul Derbyshire wrote:
>
> Credit cards must stop being a necessity for electronic commerce.
> We need a direct-debit system, where if you have the money in a
> bank account, you can buy online.  And until that system is imposed,
> at the very least, it should all be free.

It's called a "Bank Debit Card", which is the only plastic that I
carry.  I got rid of all my credit cards a decade and a half ago.  Been
a lot happier since.   :-)

>
> It is not fair though that there are people who physically
> have the $35 and still can't get it!

Send the money, cashier's check or money order to me, and I'll buy you
what ever you can afford.   :-)   You'll have it delivered to you at my
expense (call it a gift).

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From: "Tim Wegner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) The price of fractal software
Date: 13 Feb 1999 16:07:21 -0600

I was considering declaring the price of software off topic, but
decided against it. However I don't see any reason for folks to get
all upset about other people's opinions, so I do ask that we tone
down the rhetoric.

I'd like to come at this from another angle. Fractint is open source
as well as free. I am disappointed these days at the number of new
fractal programs that are not open source. I am even more
concerned when I see non-open-source programs that make
fractint-compatability their major feature, but do not share their
source.

Don't get me wrong, authors of non-open source programs have a
perfect right to do what they want. As much as I might not like it,
they even have the right to make their programs fractint-compatible.
They don't have the right to re-use fractint's code for another fractal
program, though it is unlikely anyone is. If I wanted to make my
program behave like another, I would study the other code
carefully, then right my own. This is probably legal.

The question then is, should Fractint remain open source, or
should we not release the source to version 20? Why should we
write open source, free software, when others will look at our code,
even ask us questions about specific lines of code, and incorporate
our new features into their fractint-compatible, commercial, closed
source program?

We are committed to open source because it makes our program a
community project. Fractint could never have been written by the
original authors alone. We have gotten code contributions from a
many programmers around the world. This is a large part of what
has made this a great project. The other reward is just seeing the
pleasure and excitement of our community of users.

Tim




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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) simple source code needed
Date: 13 Feb 1999 23:15:08 +0100

Paul wrote:

>The 1970s were the days for hackers. Those were the days when code grinders
>were code grinders, suits were suits, hackers never wore suits, and real
>men arranged NOPs and weird instructions in their idle loops and positioned
>data on drums in such a way as to make the CPU put out RF signals that
>played a tune on an AM radio sitting near the box!

Fun! I was born far too late :)

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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Posts up! (Was: Re: (fractint) What's up with the list?)
Date: 13 Feb 1999 23:19:41 +0100

Hey, we got our # of posts up!

Let's continue the war :)

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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) What's up with the list?
Date: 13 Feb 1999 23:16:34 +0100

Again I got Ken's reply before your message. Which brings us back to the
thread subject :)

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-----Original Message-----


>Ultra Fractal is timebombware. It should by all rights be free and open
>source. :P
>
>--
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not
>-()  <  circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a
>   `*'  straight
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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) What's up with the list?
Date: 13 Feb 1999 23:16:00 +0100

Frederik's Dutch, right? Can I pay in guilders then?

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-----Original Message-----


>>
>> Ultra Fractal is timebombware. It should by all rights be free and open
>> source. :P
>
>Why?
>
>Just because the original authors of Fractint chose to make the code
>open and freely available doesn't mean that everyone who writes software
>should follow suit.  UF is an outstanding program and Frederik has done
>a fantastic job of developing it and incorporating the suggestions and
>comments of the beta testers.  That isn't to say that Fractint doesn't
>have its advandages over UF.  They are both outstanding tools to create
>images with.  IMO, it is worth twice the $35 shareware fee.  I think
>Frederik is well within his rights to make it shareware.  Even if it
>were freeware, I don't see that he should be obligated to share the
>source.
>
>Of course, YMMV.
>
>
>Ken...
>
>
>
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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) What's up with the list?
Date: 13 Feb 1999 23:21:12 +0100

I tend NOT to send money because I don't have a credit card and it's too
expensive for me (student) to send it to the States, from Holland. I like it
that Frederik lives in Holland :)

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-----Original Message-----


>Paul,
>
> - Ultra Fractal is timebombware. It should by all rights be free and open
> - source. :P
>
>You and I have covered this in private e-mail before. For some reason you
>labor under the impression that you, simple by virtue of your existence,
>are *entitled* to help yourself to the work of everyone else, for free.
>
>You can pay for Ultra Fractal (and most other shareware!) by sending a
>check or money order to the author. How DARE you whine that it's "too much
>trouble" to mess with stamps and writing a check! Do you think the world is
>here to coddle you? Do you whine that your groceries must be delivered to
>your door, because it's too much trouble for you to go to the supermarket
>to pick them up?
>
>It's time you shed this infantile attitude that you can help yourself to
>everything in the world. Frederik took the opportunity to develop a fine
>piece of software. If he wants to charge for his labors, he is entitled to
>do so. Plain and simple. When you do the work, you can decide whether to
>give it away or sell it, but don't even THINK about presuming to dictate to
>someone else.
>
>I suspect once you get out of school and into the real world, you will
>understand the value of work. There are some things you really don't learn
>in school.
>
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>
>Please do not post my e-mail address on a web site or
>in a newsgroup.  Thank you.
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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Dean: We're here.
Date: 13 Feb 1999 23:21:33 +0100

Yahoo! ;)

-----Original Message-----


>Dean-Christian;
>
>See. We're still all here--and we're talking. :-))))))
>
>Bob
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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) What's up with the list?
Date: 13 Feb 1999 23:18:15 +0100

Time for me to join the UF mailing list, I guess.

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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Anyone use Red Hat Linux?
Date: 13 Feb 1999 23:23:12 +0100

I have it :)

Hey, I know my linux :)

Why not use RPMs? Cause I always get errors with RPMs. I hate it when an rpm
says I don't have /bin/sh. And ever read the WINE list/ng? (Not likely that
you want winapps to run under lnx, I think). You'll know.

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-----Original Message-----


>At 01:09 AM 2/13/99 +0100, you wrote:
>>My distribution of the xfractint source (not the official one!) contains
the
>>binary. However, the binary exits with the error that ncurses.so can't be
>>found.
>
>Well...get ncurses.so. It's a linux equivalent of a DLL. You know what to
>do about missing DLL problems right? :-)
>
>>PS. Never use RPMs. Not on non-RedHat systems, and not even on RedHat...
>
>Why?
>--
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not
>-()  <  circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a
>   `*'  straight
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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software
Date: 13 Feb 1999 23:41:40 +0100

Tim Wegner, surprisingly, wrote:

[sorry to snip]

The question then is, should Fractint remain open source, or
should we not release the source to version 20? Why should we
write open source, free software, when others will look at our code,
even ask us questions about specific lines of code, and incorporate
our new features into their fractint-compatible, commercial, closed
source program?


YES WE SHOULD. I am stunned you ask this. Even if it'd be rhetorical.

[sorry to snip again]



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Subject: (fractint) And now, for something completely different
Date: 13 Feb 1999 16:53:52 -0600

Rich               { ; Copyright 1998 Damien M. Jones
                     ; 28:24 in FractInt on a P-II 350 at 1600x1200
                     ;  1:47 in Ultra Fractal
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=dmj-tce.frm
  formulaname=dmj-Jul2-TC001 passes=2
  center-mag=0.225/-0.275/4.8482/1/-127.208
  params=-0.8375/0.15/-0.7625/0.05 float=y maxiter=255 inside=0
  outside=real symmetry=none
  colors=000<4>z000C0<4>zC00P0<4>zP00a0<4>za00n0<4>zn00z0<4>zz000C<4>z0C0C\
  C<4>zCC0PC<4>zPC0aC<4>zaC0nC<4>znC0zC<4>zzC00P<4>z0P0CP<4>zCP0PP<4>zPP0a\
  P<4>zaP0nP<4>znP0zP<4>zzP00a<4>z0a0Ca<4>zCa0Pa<4>zPa0aa<4>zaa0na<4>zna0z\
  a<4>zza00n<4>z0n0Cn<4>zCn0Pn<4>zPn0an<4>zan0nn<4>znn0zn<4>zzn00z<4>z0z0C\
  z<4>zCz0Pz<4>zPz0az<4>zaz0nz<4>znz0zz<4>zzz000<29>zzz000<6>000zzz
  }

dmj-Jul2-TC001 {
;
; This formula combines three Julia2 fractal layers
; using a "Difference" merge mode. Each layer is
; colored using the Distance Estimator algorithm
; and a hand-picked gradient.
;
; This formula was designed to reproduce the
; image "Rich", created with Ultra Fractal. Since
; it doesn't use UF's spline interpolation on its
; gradients, it is not an exact match.
;
; initialization:
  r = 0
  g = 0
  b = 0
  done = 0
  i = 0

  e1 = 0            ; distance estimates
  e2 = 0
  e3 = 0

  t = 1
  z = 0
  z1 = pixel                    ; pixel
  z2 = (pixel - (0.225,-0.275)) * ((0,1)^(4/3)) + (0.225,-0.275) ; 120 deg.
  z3 = (pixel - (0.225,-0.275)) * ((0,1)^(8/3)) + (0.225,-0.275) ; 240 deg.
  done1 = 0
  done2 = 0
  done3 = 0
  z = pixel, c = pixel

  :

; iteration:
  z = z + 1            ; thwart periodicity checking
  IF (t == 0)            ; do Julia2 iteration
    t = 1
    IF (done1 == 0)
      z1 = sqr(z1) + p1
    ENDIF
    IF (done2 == 0)
      z2 = sqr(z2) + p1
    ENDIF
    IF (done3 == 0)
      z3 = sqr(z3) + p1
    ENDIF
  ELSE
    t = 0
    IF (done1 == 0)
      z1 = sqr(z1) + p2
    ENDIF
    IF (done2 == 0)
      z2 = sqr(z2) + p2
    ENDIF
    IF (done3 == 0)
      z3 = sqr(z3) + p2
    ENDIF
  ENDIF

  IF (|z1| < 1e20)
    e1 = 2*z1*e1+1        ; update distance estimate
  ELSE
    done1 = 1            ; done with this one
  ENDIF
  IF (|z2| < 1e20)
    e2 = 2*z2*e2+1        ; update distance estimate
  ELSE
    done2 = 1            ; done with this one
  ENDIF
  IF (|z3| < 1e20)
    e3 = 2*z3*e3+1        ; update distance estimate
  ELSE
    done3 = 1            ; done with this one
  ENDIF

; bailout test:
  IF (done1+done2+done3 == 3 || i == maxit-2)    ; all three points are done
    done = 1

    ; point has bailed out, compute color

    ; final distances
    e1 = sqrt(2*log(cabs(z1)) * cabs(z1) / cabs(e1))
    e2 = sqrt(2*log(cabs(z2)) * cabs(z2) / cabs(e2))
    e3 = sqrt(2*log(cabs(z3)) * cabs(z3) / cabs(e3))

    ; transfer functions
    e1 = sqrt(e1*4)
    e2 = sqrt(e2*4)
    e3 = sqrt(e3*4)
    e1 = e1 - trunc(e1)
    e2 = e2 - trunc(e2)
    e3 = e3 - trunc(e3)

    ; gradients
    IF (e1 < 0.0225)        ; first part of gradient
      e1 = (e1+0.1975)/0.22
      r = 31 + (81-31)*e1
      g = 62 + (68-62)*e1
      b = 72 + (46-72)*e1
    ELSEIF (e1 < 0.4)        ; second part of gradient
      e1 = (e1-0.0225)/0.3775
      r = 81 + (235-81)*e1
      g = 68 + (232-68)*e1
      b = 46 + (220-46)*e1
    ELSEIF (e1 < 0.8025)    ; third part of gradient
      e1 = (e1-0.4)/0.4025
      r = 235 + (31-235)*e1
      g = 232 + (62-232)*e1
      b = 220 + (72-220)*e1
    ELSE            ; last part of gradient
      e1 = (e1-0.8025)/0.22
      r = 31 + (81-31)*e1
      g = 62 + (68-62)*e1
      b = 72 + (46-72)*e1
    ENDIF
    IF (done1 == 0)        ; point is inside, use black
      r = 0
      g = 0
      b = 0
    ENDIF

    IF (e2 < 0.0225)        ; first part of gradient
      e2 = (e2+0.1975)/0.22
      r1 = 31 + (81-31)*e2
      g1 = 62 + (68-62)*e2
      b1 = 72 + (46-72)*e2
    ELSEIF (e2 < 0.4)        ; second part of gradient
      e2 = (e2-0.0225)/0.3775
      r1 = 81 + (235-81)*e2
      g1 = 68 + (232-68)*e2
      b1 = 46 + (220-46)*e2
    ELSEIF (e2 < 0.8025)    ; third part of gradient
      e2 = (e2-0.4)/0.4025
      r1 = 235 + (31-235)*e2
      g1 = 232 + (62-232)*e2
      b1 = 220 + (72-220)*e2
    ELSE            ; last part of gradient
      e2 = (e2-0.8025)/0.22
      r1 = 31 + (81-31)*e2
      g1 = 62 + (68-62)*e2
      b1 = 72 + (46-72)*e2
    ENDIF
    IF (done2 == 0)        ; point is inside, use black
      r1 = 0
      g1 = 0
      b1 = 0
    ENDIF
    r = abs(r-r1)        ; Difference merge mode
    g = abs(g-g1)
    b = abs(b-b1)

    IF (e3 < 0.0225)        ; first part of gradient
      e3 = (e3+0.1975)/0.22
      r1 = 31 + (81-31)*e3
      g1 = 62 + (68-62)*e3
      b1 = 72 + (46-72)*e3
    ELSEIF (e3 < 0.4)        ; second part of gradient
      e3 = (e3-0.0225)/0.3775
      r1 = 81 + (235-81)*e3
      g1 = 68 + (232-68)*e3
      b1 = 46 + (220-46)*e3
    ELSEIF (e3 < 0.8025)    ; third part of gradient
      e3 = (e3-0.4)/0.4025
      r1 = 235 + (31-235)*e3
      g1 = 232 + (62-232)*e3
      b1 = 220 + (72-220)*e3
    ELSE            ; last part of gradient
      e3 = (e3-0.8025)/0.22
      r1 = 31 + (81-31)*e3
      g1 = 62 + (68-62)*e3
      b1 = 72 + (46-72)*e3
    ENDIF
    IF (done3 == 0)        ; point is inside, use black
      r1 = 0
      g1 = 0
      b1 = 0
    ENDIF
    r = abs(r-r1)        ; Difference merge mode
    g = abs(g-g1)
    b = abs(b-b1)

  ENDIF
  i = i + 1

; color processing:
;
; True Color Engine 1.0
; Copyright 1999 Damien M. Jones
; http://www.fractalus.com/
;
; This block of formula code provides simulated true color
; in FractInt by dithering. Simply feed red, green, and blue
; values into the variables r, g, and b, set done=1 when your
; values are ready, and store the iteration count in i. To
; view the results, use the associated true color palette,
; use outside=real, and use passes=1 or passes=2; don't use
; guessing.
;
; You can re-use this code in your own formulas, but please
; give credit. Thanks!
;
  IF (done > 0)
    ; 1. Clip to valid ranges
    IF (r > 255)        ; You can remove these lines
      r = 255            ; if you are absolutely sure
    ENDIF            ; your RGB values will never
    IF (g > 255)        ; be out of range. That will
      g = 255            ; make your formula run a bit
    ENDIF            ; faster.
    IF (b > 255)
      b = 255
    ENDIF
    IF (r < 0)
      r = 0
    ENDIF
    IF (g < 0)
      g = 0
    ENDIF
    IF (b < 0)
      b = 0
    ENDIF

    ; 2. Figure out which spot in the dither pattern to use
    ; The dither pattern is a 4x4 matrix; since there are
    ; only six shades of each color, in-between shades must
    ; be "mixed".
    xdither = real(scrnpix) - floor(real(scrnpix)*0.25)*4
    ydither = imag(scrnpix) - floor(imag(scrnpix)*0.25)*4

    ; 3. Calculate the dither threshold for each channel
    ; a. Determine quadrant in dither pattern
    IF (ydither > 1.5)        ; bottom half
      ydither = ydither - 2    ; move to top half
      IF (xdither < 1.5)    ; left half (lower left quadrant)
        rdither = 3
    gdither = 3
    bdither = 3
      ELSE            ; right half (lower right quadrant)
        xdither = xdither - 2    ; move to left half
        rdither = 1
    gdither = 1
    bdither = 1
      ENDIF
    ELSE            ; top half
      IF (xdither > 1.5)    ; right half (upper right quadrant)
        xdither = xdither - 2    ; move to left half
        rdither = 2
        gdither = 2
        bdither = 2
      ELSE            ; left half (upper left quadrant)
        rdither = 0
        gdither = 0
        bdither = 0
      ENDIF
    ENDIF
    ; b. Determine precise cell in quadrant
    IF (ydither > 0.5)        ; bottom half
      IF (xdither < 0.5)    ; left half (bottom left cell)
        rdither = rdither + 12
        gdither = gdither + 12
        bdither = bdither + 12
      ELSE            ; right half (bottom right cell)
        rdither = rdither + 4
        gdither = gdither + 4
        bdither = bdither + 4
      ENDIF
    ELSE            ; top half
      IF (xdither > 0.5)    ; right half (upper right cell)
        rdither = rdither + 8
        gdither = gdither + 8
        bdither = bdither + 8
      ENDIF
    ENDIF

    ; 4. Scale r, g, b with dither weight added
    r = (r*80/255 + rdither) * 0.0625
    g = (g*80/255 + rdither) * 0.0625
    b = (b*80/255 + rdither) * 0.0625

    ; 5. Compute final color and fudge z
    r = floor(r) + floor(g)*6 + floor(b)*36
    z = r - i - 7
  ENDIF

; FractInt bailout:
  done == 0
}


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From: "Nature Leseul" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) In Which The Mad Lurker Actually Posts A Par
Date: 13 Dec 1999 19:13:03 -0600

  Well, I was playing with my frm file, and I came up with this formula. I
don't know if this same mathematical logic has done before; I don't know all
the frms floating around out there. :-P The parallelogram structure here is
kinda interesting.

!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i
!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i
!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i


Tunnel             { ; The light at the end of the tunnel
                     ; Nature Leseul, 2-13-99
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=leseul.frm formulaname=Parallelogram
  passes=b center-mag=-1.77471/-2.7597e-005/13.33431/1.0001/-90/42.198
  maxiter=10000 colors=000zzz000<5>100100322<29>zzz<12>000<201>020
  }

frm:Parallelogram {
 ;Nature Leseul
 z=0, z1=0, z2=0, c=pixel:
 z1 = (real(z1)+imag(z2))
 z2 = (real(z2)+imag(z1))
 z = z1*z2 + c
 z1 = z1*z1 + c
 z2 = z2*z2 + c
 |z| < 4
}
||===================== ||
||   --v^v-[Nature Leseul]-v^v--    ||
||  The weird guy in the corner ||
||          Dreamy Smurf            ||
||             Donatello!               ||
||      "Some are vicious,          ||
||         some are fools,           ||
||        and others blind            ||
||          to see in me,             ||
||       one of their kind."          ||
||  -Anatoly, Endgame (Chess)||
||"Is this off-topic or what?"||
||===================== ||



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From: Mark Christenson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) ... The Mad Lurker Actually Posts A Par
Date: 13 Feb 1999 18:04:37 -0800

At 07:13 PM 12/13/98 -0600, you wrote:
>  Well, I was playing with my frm file, and I came up with this formula. I
>don't know if this same mathematical logic has done before;
...
>frm:Parallelogram {
...

Not that it changes the validity of your formula, but you're
not actually replacing imag(z2) with imag(z1), but rather
with itself.

 z1 = (real(z1)+imag(z2)) ; imag(z1) = imag(z2)
 z2 = (real(z2)+imag(z1)) ; imag(z2) = imag(z1) = imag(z2),  .: z2 = z2

To do what I think you intended, you need to introduce
a temporary variable z1', and update z1 after calculating z2.

 z1' = real(z1)+imag(z2)
 z2 = real(z2)+imag(z1)
 z1 = z1'


Aloha, Bud


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From: "Leon Duych" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) FIRST-TIME USER - help!!!
Date: 13 Feb 1999 20:33:07 -0800

First-time user requires simple answers to simple questions:

    1. What is best?
         - ONE Fractint directory WITHOUT subdirectories?
                        or
         - WITH subdirectories?
                 - What subdirectory structure would be best?

    2. What full-screen Win95/98 DOS box settings are appropriate?

    3. What AUTOEXEC.BAT / CONFIG.SYS changes are useful?

    4. What are SSTOOLS.INI Fractint screen saver settings?
        Where must SSTOOLS.INI reside?

All helpful hints are much appreciated.

                Leon
        [e-mail]





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From: "Paul N. Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Resource List
Date: 13 Feb 1999 22:52:58 -0600

The following is a list of resources for FractInt users and Discussion List members. (Last update -- November 12, 1998)

Thanks to Noel Giffin, this list is also available online at:
    http://spanky.triumf.ca/www/fractint/preslar.html

*** New entries


FractInt
    At Spanky ù
        http://spanky.triumf.ca/www/fractint/fractint.html
    Mirror site ù
        http://fractal.mta.ca/fractint/fractint.html
    FractInt Documentation ù
        http://spanky.triumf.ca/www/fractint/findex.html
    FractInt semi-official wish list ù
        http://web.ukonline.co.uk/members/robin.b2/olig/fracwish.htm


Information, Tutorials and Explanations
    Anti-Aliasing Explained (Damien M. Jones) ù
        http://www.fractalus.com/misc/antialias.htm
    Basic FractInt Hints and Tips (Linda Allison) ù
        http://wizzle.simplenet.com/linda/basic/basic-information.htm
    Coloring Algorithms Explained (Damien M. Jones) ù
        http://www.fractalus.com/misc/implement.htm
    ColorMap tutorial (Linda Allison) ù
        http://www.geocities.com/Paris/5519/colors.html
        http://wizzle.simplenet.com/linda/colormaps/colormaps.htm
(mirror)
    Color Map Magic (Wizzle) ù
        http://wizzle.simplenet.com/fractals/wizmaps/wizmaps.htm
    Color Tricks (Linda Allison) ù
        http://wizzle.simplenet.com/linda/colortricks/colortricks.htm
    Formula tutorial (Bradley Beacham) ù
        http://spanky.triumf.ca/www/fractint/frm-tut/frm-tutor.html
    Fractals Explained (Linda Allison) ù
        http://wizzle.simplenet.com/linda/define/fractals_defined.htm
    Fractal Information Page (Damien M. Jones) ù
        http://www.fractalus.com/misc/info.htm
    FractInt Tutorial (Bill Rossi) -
         http://members.aol.com/billatny/fractopi.htm
    Guide to the Mandelbrot and Julia Sets (Paul Derbyshire) ù
        http://www3.sympatico.ca/bob.beland/manguide.html
    Help for FractInt Discussion List newcomers!! (Wizzle) ù
        http://wizzle.simplenet.com/fractals/hints/fractint_list_q&a.htm
    High Resolution tutorial (Linda Allison) ù
        http://www.geocities.com/Paris/5519/lesson4.html
    Hints on getting started (Wizzle) ù
        http://wizzle.simplenet.com/fractals/hints/tips-fractint.htm
    If...Else tutorial ù
        http://spanky.triumf.ca/www/fractint/If_else.html
    Par and Frm tutorial (Linda Allison) ù
        http://www.geocities.com/Paris/5519/lesson.html
        http://wizzle.simplenet.com/linda/pars_and_frms/lesson.html (mirror)
    ParToBat, Tips and Hints for Using (or how to have a life AND
generate a
zillion fractals a day ;) ) (Linda Allison)
        http://www.geocities.com/Paris/5519/epic.html
    PHC and PTC Formula tutorial (Sylvie Gallet) ù
        http://spanky.triumf.ca/www/fractint/phc/phc-tutor.html
    PNG vs. JPEG discussed (Damien M. Jones) ù
        http://www.fractalus.com/misc/png-jpeg.htm
    Proportioning, Sizing, and Skewing tutorial (Linda Allison) ù
        http://wizzle.simplenet.com/linda/proportion/proportions.htm
    sci.fractals FAQ ù
        http://www.mta.ca/~mctaylor/sci.fractals-faq/
    Windows 95, How to run FractInt for DOS under ù
        http://fractal.mta.ca/fractint/fracwin95.html
    Zooming tutorial (Linda Allison) ù
        http://wizzle.simplenet.com/linda/zoom/zoom-lesson.html


FractInt Discussion List
    Fractal '98 Contest ù
        http://www.fractalus.com/contest98/
    FractInt Discussion List archive ù
        ftp://ftp.xmission.com/pub/lists/fractint/archive/
    1997 Contest (thumbnails of all the entries) ù
        http://www.fractalus.com/contest/
    The 1997 Contest Kit (Re-create the magic at home!!) ù
        http://home.san.rr.com/jayrhill/Contestk.zip
    Collection of Discussion List Pars & Formulas (Les St. Clair)
    (all the pars and frms since August 1997) ù
        http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Les_StClair/fml.htm
    The iFAQ (collected topics from the list) ù
        http://home.san.rr.com/jayrhill/iFAQ/iFAQ.html
    Copyrights Discussed (and discussed) ù
        http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/3825/copyright.zip
    ColorMaps collected and organized by Wizzle ù
        http://wizzle.simplenet.com/fractals/fractint_maps/newmaps.htm
    Dr. J's Fractal of the Night ù
        http://home.san.rr.com/jayrhill/FotN/FotNindx.html
    List of FractInt Mailing List members with ICQ numbers ù
        http://come.to/fractinticq


Additional Programs & Utilities
    AddGifs program (Paul Carlson) ù
        http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/3825/addgifs.zip
    FractInt Screensaver v1.70 (Thore Berntsen) ù
        http://home.sol.no/~thbernt/fintsave.htm
    Fractal Map Generator (Paulo Guagliumi) -
        http://members.tripod.com/softwork/map
    MakeMap utility (Ron Barnett) ù
        http://members.aol.com/RBarn0001/makemap.zip
    Orgfrm program (George Martin) ù
        http://spanky.triumf.ca/pub/fractals/programs/ibmpc/orgfrm.zip
    Partobat utility (version 3.4 for slower machines) (Michael
Peters) ù
        http://spanky.triumf.ca/pub/fractals/programs/IBMPC/PARTOB.ZIP
        http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/JoWeber/jo_05.htm
    Partobat utility (version 3.5 for faster machines) (Michael
Peters) ù
        http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/JoWeber/jo_05.htm
    XMAP and MMAP utilities (Jim Prickett) ù
        http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Way/9943


Infinite Fractal Loop
    Home Page ù
        http://www.fractalus.com/ifl/
    Graphical List ù
        http://www.fractalus.com/ifl/list.htm


Particularly Helpful Links Pages
    Wizzle's Graphlinks ù
        http://wizzle.simplenet.com/fractals/hints/graphlinks.htm


Fractal merchandise (posters, mouse mats, t-shirts, etc.)
    Lifesmith ù
        http://www.lifesmith.com/
    Refractal Design Inc. (fractal jewelry) ù
        http://www.refractal.com


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    Fractal '98 Contest ù
        http://www.fractalus.com/contest98/
    Archive of messages ù
        ftp://ftp.fractalus.com/pub/lists/fractal-art/
    Jim Muth's Fractal of the Day index (last few weeks)
        http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/FotD/FotD.html
    Jim Muth's complete FOTD archive of PARs and FRMs
        http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Les_StClair/pars.htm


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From: Bob Margolis <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re: FIRST-TIME USER
Date: 13 Feb 1999 23:01:45 -0600

Leon Duych wrote:
>
> First-time user requires simple answers to simple questions:
>
>     1. What is best?
>          - ONE Fractint directory WITHOUT subdirectories?
>                         or
>          - WITH subdirectories?
>                  - What subdirectory structure would be best?

My configuration consists of subdirectories for 1) formulas, 2)
parameter files, 3) color maps, and 4) IFS files.

>
>     2. What full-screen Win95/98 DOS box settings are appropriate?

I go to the Start menu and restart the computer in MS-DOS mode. When I
exit FractInt, the computer automatically switches back to Windoze.
>
>     3. What AUTOEXEC.BAT / CONFIG.SYS changes are useful?

This really depends upon your computer system. For my config.sys I
have:
DOS=HIGH,UMB
Device=C:\DOS\Himem.Sys
Device=c:\DOS\EMM386.EXE 4096
DEVICEHIGH=c:\DOS\SMARTDRV.EXE /DOUBLE_BUFFER
BREAK=ON
BUFFERS=20
FILES=30
STACKS=9,256

and as the autoexec.bat:
SET winbootdir=C:\WINDOWS

In Fractint Properties, Program, Advanced Program Settings, I have a
check mark next to MS-DOS mode and a bullet before Specify a new
MS-DOS configuration, and then the above listed config.sys and
autoexe.bat info inserted.

>
>     4. What are SSTOOLS.INI Fractint screen saver settings?
>         Where must SSTOOLS.INI reside?
I don't use a screen saver, so someone else will have to answer this
question.

I have SSTOOLS.INI in the same directory with FractInt.EXE.


Bob Margolis

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From: "Nature Leseul" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) ... The Mad Lurker Actually Posts A Par
Date: 13 Dec 1999 23:29:15 -0600

<<Not that it changes the validity of your formula, but you're
not actually replacing imag(z2) with imag(z1), but rather
with itself.  >>

  Ah, the infamous "swap" error. And here, after every programming book I've
ever read has warned me about that. :-P Well, trying the fixed formula, I
come up with an image which seems to hold absolutely nothing of interest. I
think I'll stick with the error formula for now. :-P

  Speaking of which, I came up with another image from the same formula..
Both of these that I've posted are actually kind of close to the surface of
this formula. It looks kind of promising; I really want to see what kind of
stuff may lurk further down. If I can just get a few perfect fractaling
days. :-P (Frm version posted below is slightly optimized)

OlympicTorch       { ; by Nature Leseul
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=leseul.frm
  formulaname=Parallelogram passes=b
  center-mag=-1.52692/0.786317/13.33431/1.0001 maxiter=10000
 colors=000456<2>122000000<14>000100310<29>kG0mH0mH0<32>zc0zc0yb0<31>dHFc\
  GGbGGaGG<31>211000101<32>h0xj0zj1z<30>VanUcmUbl<27>568
  }

frm:Parallelogram {
 ;Nature Leseul
 z=0, z1=0, z2=0, c=pixel:
 z1 = (real(z1)+imag(z2))
 z = z1*z2 + c
 z1 = z1*z1 + c
 z2 = z2*z2 + c
 |z| < 4
}

||===================== ||
||   --v^v-[Nature Leseul]-v^v--    ||
||  The weird guy in the corner ||
||          Dreamy Smurf            ||
||             Donatello!               ||
||      "Some are vicious,          ||
||         some are fools,           ||
||        and others blind            ||
||          to see in me,             ||
||       one of their kind."          ||
||  -Anatoly, Endgame (Chess)||
||"Is this off-topic or what?"||
||===================== ||



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From: Lee&SusanLane <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: FIRST-TIME USER
Date: 13 Feb 1999 23:30:10 -0800

Bob,
I have always run Fractint through Windows95. What's the advanatage to
restarting the computer in MS-DOS mode?
Lee Lane
>
> I go to the Start menu and restart the computer in MS-DOS mode. When I
> exit FractInt, the computer automatically switches back to Windoze.
> >


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From: Bob Margolis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: FIRST-TIME USER
Date: 13 Feb 1999 23:47:33 -0600

Lee&SusanLane wrote:
>
> Bob,
> I have always run Fractint through Windows95. What's the advanatage to
> restarting the computer in MS-DOS mode?
> Lee Lane

Hi Lee;

I don't know if there's any advantage. All I can say is that I never
could get FractInt to work properly on my machine using DOS under
Windoze 95. I carried on private e-mail discussions on this very topic
a couple of years ago with a couple of other fractal artists, and none
pf their suggestions worked properly for my machine. That's why I
reboot to MS-DOS mode and use the same settings as when I used
FractInt under DOS umpteen years ago. I've encountered no problems
with this latter method.

But I'm talking about the machine I'm using to write and send this
e-mail message. It's an IBM 486 DX66. I have another computer, A
COMPAQ Presario 400 MHz speed demon, which I occasionally use for
FractInt, and it runs smoothly in DOS under Windoze 95. But most of my
fractal art programs and files are on the other machine, so I use that
one more for my fractal art master, er, laughterpieces.

Ciao,

Bob

Bob

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From: "Shauna Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: FIRST-TIME USER
Date: 13 Feb 1999 20:29:45 -1000

On 13 Feb 99 at 23:30, Lee&SusanLane wrote:

> I have always run Fractint through Windows95. What's the
> advanatage to restarting the computer in MS-DOS mode?

With our current Diamond Stealth 64 Series 2000 card,
Fractint will not run under W95. The two fight over the
display and the computer freezes.

Fractint works fine with the Diamond card under OS/2.

Another blast of bits from David
http://www.aloha.net/~shauna/   http://www.hawastsoc.org/
For the best Hawaii & Pacific Basin surf forecast: mailto:[e-mail]

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Q: During a company reorganization, how can you tell you're in trouble?
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From: "Frederik Slijkerman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software
Date: 14 Feb 1999 11:48:40 +0100

Tim,

Although your message didn't mention any specific fractal programs,
I feel you're primarily talking about Ultra Fractal (and me) here.
So I would like to give some comments.

> I am even more
> concerned when I see non-open-source programs that make
> fractint-compatability their major feature, but do not share their
> source.

Fractint compatiblity is not UF's major feature. I am actually
surprised at the number of people who like this. Ultra Fractal offers
much more than Fractint compatibility -- otherwise, why would anyone
use it?

> They don't have the right to re-use fractint's code for another fractal
> program, though it is unlikely anyone is. If I wanted to make my
> program behave like another, I would study the other code
> carefully, then right my own. This is probably legal.

For the record: I have not used any of Fractint's code in Ultra
Fractal, of course. This isn't even possible, since Ultra Fractal has
been written in Delphi, not in C. Also, Fractint is thorougly single-
threaded (using global variables and stuff): its source can't be used
in a multi-threaded, multiple document program like UF.

Furthermore, Ultra Fractal "does not behave" like Fractint. UF was
developed from scratch. Only in the last stage I have added a feature
to import Fractint parameter sets. This was possible because the
formula compiler can also read Fractint fractal formulas.

Thanks to the extensive documentation in Fractint, I was able to
do this without looking at the source, just by following the help
text and trying some parameter sets to be sure.

> and incorporate
> our new features into their fractint-compatible, commercial, closed
> source program?

Which "new Fractint features" have been incorporated into UF?

Fractint was (and is) a very good fractal program. It was actually
the first program to take fractal software to a serious level.
However, some features are still missing, like multiple layers,
true-color output, better support of coloring algorithms, etc.
Ultra Fractal was written as a new fractal program that would
solve these problems. I have added Fractint compatibility only
to facilitate people to make the switch from Fractint to UF.

Best regards,
Frederik.


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: FIRST-TIME USER
Date: 14 Feb 1999 08:45:53 EST

In a message dated 2/14/99 12:38:05 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<<
 I have always run Fractint through Windows95. What's the advanatage to
 restarting the computer in MS-DOS mode?
 Lee Lan >>

Lee,

For most uses , I have no trouble running Fractint through Windows95.
However, when I need to create a large size multiple-part image, I can only
get this feature working properly by restarting in DOS mode.

Bill Rossi
http://members.aol.com/billatny/fractopi.htm

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From: Paul Derbyshire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) What's up with the list?
Date: 14 Feb 1999 13:17:29 -0500

At 03:36 PM 2/13/99 -0600, you wrote:
>It's called a "Bank Debit Card", which is the only plastic that I
>carry.  I got rid of all my credit cards a decade and a half ago.  Been
>a lot happier since.   :-)

Too bad having an ATM card is useless for INTERNET transactions. The whole
idea of internet commerce is that if you have the money, you just do some
secure online transaction and it arrives at your door in a day to 8 weeks
depending on what it is...or arrives at your c:/download directory in
anywhere from minutes to an hour or two.

>Send the money, cashier's check or money order to me, and I'll buy you
>what ever you can afford.   :-)   You'll have it delivered to you at my
>expense (call it a gift).

That doesn't really work (although thanks anyways)...the idea of electronic
communication is that you can get things without having to mess with the
unreliable and slow snail mail... just do something electronically, and
1. If it's software, boom, you download it and are ready to go after
   only a few minutes, and
2. If it's something physical, you get a knock on the door one day
   and there it is. Sign for it, lug it to where you need it, and
   that's it.


--
   .*.  "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not
-()  <  circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a
   `*'  straight line."    -------------------------------------------------
        -- B. Mandelbrot  |http://surf.to/pgd.net
_____________________ ____|________     Paul Derbyshire     [e-mail]
Programmer & Humanist|ICQ: 10423848|

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From: Barry N Merenoff <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re: Fractint Evolver
Date: 14 Feb 1999 13:33:32 -0500

What is the Fractint Evolver? How can I get it?

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From: Barry N Merenoff <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re: another message
Date: 14 Feb 1999 13:41:19 -0500

Fractint has a screen saver setting?

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From: Jim Muth <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re: Fractint Evolver
Date: 14 Feb 1999 13:59:45 -0500 (EST)

At 01:33 PM 2/14/99 -0500, you wrote:

>What is the Fractint Evolver? How can I get it?

Wait for Fractint version 20.0 to be released, hopefully in the
near future.  The evolver will be included in that version.

Jim Muth
[e-mail]


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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) What's up with the list?
Date: 14 Feb 1999 20:39:36 +0100

I was just spammed with some credit card ad........ coincidence?




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From: "Tim Wegner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software
Date: 14 Feb 1999 13:50:35 -0600

Frederik wrote:

> Although your message didn't mention any specific fractal programs,
> I feel you're primarily talking about Ultra Fractal (and me) here.

Actually, not. I was mostly being intentionally provocative, and
making a ppoint in general about open source. I am sure that
UltraFractal does not use Fractint's source, and I agree that it has
a lot of additional functionality to Fractint.

You are probably right that someone could read into my message
that I was accusing you of using our code.  I installed Ultrafractal
yesterday for a quick look, and it is obviously a program with a
completely different design and implementation.

> Only in the last stage I have added a feature
> to import Fractint parameter sets. This was possible because the
> formula compiler can also read Fractint fractal formulas.
>
> Thanks to the extensive documentation in Fractint, I was able to
> do this without looking at the source, just by following the help
> text and trying some parameter sets to be sure.

However, in a more general way I could have been talking about
Ultra Fractal. You have benefiting enormously from Fractint in
developing your concepts to go beyond Fractint. You say as much
in the quotes above. You have included the functionality of
Fractint's parser in your program. If you hadn't, it would not be
possible to run translated formula PARs in Ultra Fractal. (You were
within your rights to do this).

Fractint developed the way it did because it was open source.
Fractint developed concepts and created the image of what a
fractal program can be. The fact that it was open source was the
key. Programmers implemented new concepts and contributed
them. One reason Fractint was open source was so that up and
coming programmers could learn and use (what was once) the
state of the art.

Even if you didn't look at the source (I wouldn't begrudge your
looking at the source if you did, in fact you'd be foolish not to), you
benefited from the fact that Fractint is open source.

I find that now the shoe is on the other foot. My programming skills
have fallen way behind because in my professional life I do non-GUI
C programming. I have never managed to get myself assigned to do
any Windows or GUI programming, or even C++. Most of the other
team members are in a similar situation. Unless we get an infusion
of new programming blood, or unless someone starts a brand new
open source project similar to Fractint (but avoids the problems of
the legacy code and platform), Fractint and what it represents is
dead.

Where is there a full featured, open source program that is a
worthy successor to Fractint? There isn't one, as far as I know.
Actually I am very interested in Xaos, which runs on many
platforms, and has just been ported to Windows. I may shift my
efforts to working with Xaos, or merging some of Fractint's features
with Xaos. Xaos, besides being open source, acknowledges
Fractint generously.

You are certainly under no obligation to make your efforts a team
project or make your program open source. I'm just sorry that no
one with your skills has moved the fractint concept into a newer,
better design, in an open source project that I can participate in. I
don't have the skills to do this myself.

I am radically committed to the open source concept. I love Linux,
POV-Ray, Fractint, and Xaos for this reason. I don't expect anyone
one else to agree with me. It's just my personal decision. I am not
even speaking for "Stone Soup" when I say this.

The bottom line for me is: you have benefited from our thousands of
hours of work over ten years. We will not benefit from your work
because your program is not open source. I am not saying you are
making the wrong decision, or that the situation should be
otherwise, I am  just saying that it's a fact: we won't be able to
benefit from your work. We knew this was a possibility going in, we
took the risk with our eyes wide open, so we can't complain.

Tim


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From: John Wilson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) In Which The Mad Lurker Actually Posts A Par
Date: 14 Feb 1999 20:16:41 +0000

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From: Gedeon Peteri <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) In Which The Mad Lurker Actually Posts A Par
Date: 14 Feb 1999 15:46:50 -0500

What is happy99.exe, and why did you post it to this list?

Gedeon

John Wilson wrote:

>                      Name: Happy99.exe
>    Happy99.exe       Type: unspecified type (application/octet-stream)
>                  Encoding: x-uuencode
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From: Clifford Hammerschmidt <[e-mail]>
Subject: READ THIS NOW. Re: (fractint) In Which The Mad Lurker Actually
Date: 14 Feb 1999 12:51:30 -0800

Goto http://www.datafellows.com/news/pr/eng/19990129.htm
This is a possible virus. The above link points to a reputable source where
you can find out more. Do yourself a favor and don't run any unsolicated
attachments, ever.

At 08:16 PM 2/14/99 +0000, John Wilson wrote:
>
>Attachment Converted: "c:\program files\eudora\attach\Happy99.exe"
>
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From: davides <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) In Which The Mad Lurker Actually Posts A Par
Date: 14 Feb 1999 15:49:38 -0500

Received from John Wilson the below, in which there was no par, simply the
Happy99.exe worm.
Tim - remove either Mr. Wilson from this list or me. Your choice.

The headers which I copied from his sending:

Return-Path: <[e-mail]>
X-Spanska: Yes
Sender: [e-mail]
Reply-To: [e-mail]




At 08:16 PM 2/14/1999 +0000, you wrote:
>
>Attachment Converted: "C:\PIPEPLUS\DOWNLOAD\Happy99.exe"
>
>
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From: Clifford Hammerschmidt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) In Which The Mad Lurker Actually Posts A Par
Date: 14 Feb 1999 12:53:46 -0800

At 03:46 PM 2/14/99 -0500, you wrote:
>What is happy99.exe, and why did you post it to this list?
>
>Gedeon

Gedeon,

  Odds are John is unaware that it's been posted. The "happy99.exe"
attachment has been reported as a "worm" class virus that will mail itself
to people/lists that it finds on the users machine when executed. See
http://www.datafellows.com/news/pr/eng/19990129.htm for more info.

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From: davides <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re: Remark on Happy99
Date: 14 Feb 1999 16:02:03 -0500

At 12:53 PM 2/14/1999 -0800, you wrote:
>At 03:46 PM 2/14/99 -0500, you wrote:
>>What is happy99.exe, and why did you post it to this list?

>  Odds are John is unaware that it's been posted. The "happy99.exe"
>attachment has been reported as a "worm" class virus that will mail itself
>to people/lists that it finds on the users machine when executed. See
>http://www.datafellows.com/news/pr/eng/19990129.htm for more info.

Odds are - _from what I haveread about this worm_ - is that it is not
possible Mr. Wilson did not know he was infected. The virus appears on the
monitor with some crap about 1999. The worm itself is relatively benign -
from what I have read; it apparently does not damage your system but is an
annoyance. It is very simple to clean your system: Windows\System
directory, delete ska.exe, ska.dll, and liste.ska is a list of where the
worm was sent.  Also, Winsock32.dll will now have to be deleted (if anyone
was dumb enough to run it) since it is now corrupted. The worm is
thoughtful though, it adds Winsock32.ska which is the old Winsock32.dll.
Rename Winsock32.ska to Winsock32.dll. After completion of the above, send
yourself a test message to insure you are not infected (it should not show
up). If clean, you are ok.
And subscribe to the alt.comp.virus NG.
So maybe this will make it to the list...








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From: "peter k" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: FIRST-TIME USER
Date: 14 Feb 1999 21:08:38 -0000

Hello all.

>With our current Diamond Stealth 64 Series 2000 card,
>Fractint will not run under W95. The two fight over the
>display and the computer freezes.

>Fractint works fine with the Diamond card under OS/2.

I use a Diamond 3D 2000 card and Fractint works OK under Win95.

Best wishes
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (fractint) paste & go mkII
Date: 14 Feb 1999 22:16:52 +0000

Hi Folks,
     After some tweaking a much improved version of paste & go is available
here:

http://web.ukonline.co.uk/robin.b2/pastengo.zip  (8k)

It's still small but now features seperate windows for pasting in the
formula and parameter sections, to cope with those messages containing loads of
images based around the one formula. It also has an archiving
feature for storing the pars you like and a button which removes the dreaded =3D
encoding sometimes found here.

I've also realised that this is a great utility for those of you that like to
tweak formulae, you can edit the text and test it with one click, no more save,
load fractint, run formula, etc etc cycles.

Anyway enough bandwidth wasting methinks, have a go if you like, it's free, it's
simple, it does exactly what it says on the buttons :-)

Cheers,
     Robin.



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From: "Shauna Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software
Date: 14 Feb 1999 12:23:57 -1000

On 14 Feb 99 at 13:50, Tim Wegner wrote:

> Actually I am very interested in Xaos, which runs on
> many platforms, and has just been ported to Windows. I
> may shift my efforts to working with Xaos, or merging
> some of Fractint's features with Xaos. Xaos, besides
> being open source, acknowledges Fractint generously.

Where could I find Xaos? As long as UltraFractal and
other GUI-based fractal generators remain tied into the
proprietary MS GUI, I'm not inclined to use them.

Another blast of bits from David
http://www.aloha.net/~shauna/   http://www.hawastsoc.org/
For the best Hawaii & Pacific Basin surf forecast: mailto:[e-mail]

Random Thought for this Nanosecond
I'm normally a wolf -- but on full moons I turn into a Sysop.



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From: "Shauna Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: FIRST-TIME USER
Date: 14 Feb 1999 12:23:56 -1000

On 14 Feb 99 at 21:08, peter k wrote:

> Hello all.
>
> >With our current Diamond Stealth 64 Series 2000 card,
> >Fractint will not run under W95. The two fight over the
> >display and the computer freezes.
>
> >Fractint works fine with the Diamond card under OS/2.
>
> I use a Diamond 3D 2000 card and Fractint works OK under
> Win95.

Not surprised - you have a different Diamond card.

I ordered an Elsa Gloria Synergy card for my birthday, so
we'll see how that works under W95. Hardware 3D support -
hmmm, wonder if the Fractint team wants to write up their
3D fractal code and add it to Fractint??? <G>

Another blast of bits from David
http://www.aloha.net/~shauna/   http://www.hawastsoc.org/
For the best Hawaii & Pacific Basin surf forecast: mailto:[e-mail]

Random Thought for this Nanosecond
REMEMBER: Only YOU can prevent forest fires. So chop them all down before they burn! (D.Jones)



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From: Guy Marson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) simple source code needed
Date: 14 Feb 1999 23:53:16 +0100

>>Real programmers like vending machine popcorn. Coders pop it in the
>>microwave oven. Real programmers use the heat given off by the CPU. They can
>>tell what job is running just by listening to the rate of popping.
>
>The 1970s were the days for hackers. Those were the days when code grinders
>were code grinders, suits were suits, hackers never wore suits, and real
>men arranged NOPs and weird instructions in their idle loops and positioned
>data on drums in such a way as to make the CPU put out RF signals that
>played a tune on an AM radio sitting near the box!

than, a few of these hackers (f&m) "designed" the most amazing prg of the
world ... it's...

....T...

(V.19.6)

the .par will come soon..

Guy

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From: Dennis Murphy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) In Which The Mad Lurker Actually Posts A Par
Date: 14 Feb 1999 19:22:47 -0500

I clicked on Happy99a.exe, and when I went to save it, my McAfee virus
protection informed me that this file is infected with the "H32/SKA
virus". So I deleted it and sent this letter of warning.

John Wilson wrote:

>                   Name: Happy99.exe
>    Happy99.exe    Type: unspecified type (application/octet-stream)
>               Encoding: x-uuencode
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>


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From: Dennis Murphy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Remark on Happy99
Date: 14 Feb 1999 20:15:33 -0500

Concerning the Happy.exe, I've received the fireworks in December '98, and was
worried that I was infected, but checking out my computer I couldn't find any
"ska" files, so I'm sure I'm alright. But here's a link to the fireworks if you
want to view them:

http://members.xoom.com/Thrianta/fire/index.htm

Please excuse me if I'm out of line.
Dennis Murphy


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From: davides <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint)  Remark on Happy99
Date: 14 Feb 1999 20:25:35 -0500

One more point: It was just mentioned that although the fireworks were
seen, the computer wasn't infected. (Forgot who...) Locate Winsock32.dll
(if running Win95/98, if 3.1 or Mac, evidently the worm does not take...).
Right click on Winsock32.dll, click on properties tab, General (I think,
check the tabs), then make sure "Read Only" is checked. If so, the computer
in question will not be infected. Or so I read. Even so...
But enough of this; I'm sure everyone has already found out all of this info.
[e-mail]
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From: "Leon Duych" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: another message
Date: 14 Feb 1999 17:33:55 -0800

Dear Barry,

In answer to your query:

No.
Fractint does not come with a screen saver at all.
But one has been written to be used in conjunction with Fractint.
For more info, visit:

http://home.sol.no/~thbernt/fintsave.htm

I can't get the screen saver work because in "Settings" (in Control Panel -
Display, etc.) the screen saver software cannot seem to find my PARs.  This
led me to think that their might have evolved a de facto naming convention
for the subdirectory within which one's PARs reside -- a convention of which
I am obviously unaware.  If you can solve my dilemma, please notify me.

Thanks.

Leon Duych
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Fractint has a screen saver setting?

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From: "Tim Wegner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint)  Remark on Happy99
Date: 14 Feb 1999 19:52:07 -0600

I apologize to everyone for the posting of the "happy99"  program.
The person who posted it has been removed from the list.

I do not object to the several helpful messages that were posted on
this subject concerning the nature of the virus, in fact I appreciate
them. Generally, though, do not post messages about viruses to
this list; the happy99 fiasco is the excption that proves the rule.

I now ask that unless there is some new development in this
situation, that further conversation on this topic be limited to direct
email to me.

Thanks.

Tim


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From: Paul Derbyshire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software
Date: 14 Feb 1999 21:02:34 -0500

At 01:50 PM 2/14/99 -0600, you wrote:
>Where is there a full featured, open source program that is a
>worthy successor to Fractint?

It's called Protomatter, and for now it resides entirely in my head... but
I'm working on it. Or rather, on a C++ library that it will use.

>I am radically committed to the open source concept. I love Linux,
>POV-Ray, Fractint, and Xaos for this reason. I don't expect anyone
>one else to agree with me. It's just my personal decision. I am not
>even speaking for "Stone Soup" when I say this.

Same.......


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-()  <  circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a
   `*'  straight line."    -------------------------------------------------
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From: Paul Derbyshire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) In Which The Mad Lurker Actually Posts A Par
Date: 14 Feb 1999 21:03:55 -0500

Oy. We don't need no steenkin' binaries!

(We prefer open source =))

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-()  <  circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a
   `*'  straight line."    -------------------------------------------------
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Subject: Re: (fractint) In Which The Mad Lurker Actually Posts A Par
Date: 14 Feb 1999 21:05:50 -0500

At 12:53 PM 2/14/99 -0800, you wrote:
>See http://www.datafellows.com/news/pr/eng/19990129.htm for more info.

Datafellows.com: unknown host. (DNS error when I go there in IE.)

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-()  <  circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a
   `*'  straight line."    -------------------------------------------------
        -- B. Mandelbrot  |http://surf.to/pgd.net
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From: Paul Derbyshire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: READ THIS NOW. Re: (fractint) In Which The Mad Lurker
Date: 14 Feb 1999 21:07:08 -0500

At 12:51 PM 2/14/99 -0800, you wrote:
>Goto http://www.datafellows.com/news/pr/eng/19990129.htm
>This is a possible virus. The above link points to a reputable source where
>you can find out more. Do yourself a favor and don't run any unsolicated
>attachments, ever.

The above link points nowhere, according to IE.
--
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-()  <  circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a
   `*'  straight line."    -------------------------------------------------
        -- B. Mandelbrot  |http://surf.to/pgd.net
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From: "Tim Wegner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Xaos
Date: 14 Feb 1999 20:11:35 -0600

Shauna asked:

> Where could I find Xaos? As long as UltraFractal and
> other GUI-based fractal generators remain tied into the
> proprietary MS GUI, I'm not inclined to use them.

Xaos is a very interesting program. It runs under DOS, Liunux, and
now Windows. It's most unique feature is real-time zooming. And,
for the programmers, it is open source.

Check out:

http://www.paru.cas.cz/~hubicka/XaoS/

Tim


>
> Another blast of bits from David
> http://www.aloha.net/~shauna/   http://www.hawastsoc.org/
> For the best Hawaii & Pacific Basin surf forecast: mailto:[e-mail]
>
> Random Thought for this Nanosecond
> I'm normally a wolf -- but on full moons I turn into a Sysop.
>
>
>
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http://www.paru.cas.cz/~hubicka/XaoS/

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From: Ken Childress <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: READ THIS NOW. Re: (fractint) In Which The Mad Lurker
Date: 14 Feb 1999 18:09:36 -0800 (PST)

>
> At 12:51 PM 2/14/99 -0800, you wrote:
> >Goto http://www.datafellows.com/news/pr/eng/19990129.htm
> >This is a possible virus. The above link points to a reputable source where
> >you can find out more. Do yourself a favor and don't run any unsolicated
> >attachments, ever.
>
> The above link points nowhere, according to IE.

Works for me, exactly as above.  Even using IE.


Ken...




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From: Ken Childress <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software
Date: 14 Feb 1999 18:11:22 -0800 (PST)

>
> On 14 Feb 99 at 13:50, Tim Wegner wrote:
>
> > Actually I am very interested in Xaos, which runs on
> > many platforms, and has just been ported to Windows. I
> > may shift my efforts to working with Xaos, or merging
> > some of Fractint's features with Xaos. Xaos, besides
> > being open source, acknowledges Fractint generously.
>
> Where could I find Xaos? As long as UltraFractal and
> other GUI-based fractal generators remain tied into the
> proprietary MS GUI, I'm not inclined to use them.

Though I can understand the aversion to MS, it is a shame.  There are a
lot of useful programs available from a variety of sources that run on
Windows.


Ken...




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From: Kivryn <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re: updated web site
Date: 14 Feb 1999 18:37:10 -0800 (PST)

Hi Gedeon,

Just visited your pages and am very impressed.  Gone thing I got a
cd-rw with my computer upgrade. :)  I enjoyed all of your galleries,
not just the fractals.

Debora
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From: Kivryn <[e-mail]>
Subject:  (fractint) Re:  website remake and update
Date: 14 Feb 1999 18:40:11 -0800 (PST)

Hi Jon,

I tried going to your page but got a message that it couldn't be
found.  Was I too late getting there?  I'm about four digests behind.

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From: Paul Derbyshire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint)  Remark on Happy99
Date: 14 Feb 1999 22:25:58 -0500

At 07:52 PM 2/14/99 -0600, you wrote:
>I apologize to everyone for the posting of the "happy99"  program.
>The person who posted it has been removed from the list.

I think whoever it was didn't intend that to happen, and ejecting him from
the list is wrong. At the very least let him back on when he's disinfected
his system.

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   .*.  "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not
-()  <  circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a
   `*'  straight line."    -------------------------------------------------
        -- B. Mandelbrot  |http://surf.to/pgd.net
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From: Paul Derbyshire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: READ THIS NOW. Re: (fractint) In Which The Mad Lurker
Date: 14 Feb 1999 22:27:23 -0500

At 06:09 PM 2/14/99 -0800, you wrote:
>> The above link points nowhere, according to IE.
>
>Works for me, exactly as above.  Even using IE.

Hey, that's weird. It seems to come and go. What the hell would cause a DNS
to resolve a name only some of the time like that???

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   .*.  "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not
-()  <  circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a
   `*'  straight line."    -------------------------------------------------
        -- B. Mandelbrot  |http://surf.to/pgd.net
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From: Ron Barnett <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) Looking for map
Date: 15 Feb 1999 00:36:00 -0500

Baxter,
here it is:
Ron Barnett
------------------------ ALIEN.MAP STARTS HERE -----------------------
 64   0   0
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-----Original Message-----
Sent:    Saturday, February 13, 1999 1:51 PM

Hi folks

Can anyone point me towards alien.map? I need to to render a .par
properly and can't find it anywhere.

Thanks

--

Baxter

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (fractint) Xfractint
Date: 15 Feb 1999 14:04:24 +0100


Hello.

Where can I found the more up-to-date version
of Xfractint sources ?

Thierry.


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From: "Benjamin S. Franzus" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) happy99
Date: 15 Feb 1999 09:51:00 -0500

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
--------------D8E123CC2FE3273A0EFC9BF6
Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

<!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
<html>
<body text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" link="#3366FF" vlink="#800040" alink="#000099">
Thank you.
<br>I don't talk much but I read everything.
</body>
</html>

--------------D8E123CC2FE3273A0EFC9BF6
Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii;
 name="bfranzus.vcf"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Description: Card for Benjamin S. Franzus
Content-Disposition: attachment;
 filename="bfranzus.vcf"

begin:vcard
n:Franzus;Benjamin S. Franzus
tel;home:706 265 1644
tel;work:706 265 1644
x-mozilla-html:TRUE
org:Autocad Solutions And Programs
adr:;;92 Norma Rd.;Dawsonville;Georgia;30534;USA
version:2.1
email;internet:[e-mail]
x-mozilla-cpt:;-19616
fn:Benjamin S. Franzus
end:vcard

--------------D8E123CC2FE3273A0EFC9BF6--


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From: Lee Skinner <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint)  CD Sale
Date: 15 Feb 1999 09:49:11 -0500

I am having a half-price sale on my "Fractal Dimensions" CD-ROM.  The pri=
ce is
$19.95 (plus $5 s&h) for a CD containing over 2500 of my Fractint images.=

All pars are also included.

Lee H. Skinner
P.O. Box 14944
Albuquerque, NM  87191

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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: READ THIS NOW. Re: (fractint) In Which The Mad Lurker Actually  Posts A Par
Date: 15 Feb 1999 16:02:57 +0100

Works for me.

--

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   ICQ: 11760568
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microwave oven. Real programmers use the heat given off by the CPU. They can
tell what job is running just by listening to the rate of popping.

-----Original Message-----
Posts A Par


>At 12:51 PM 2/14/99 -0800, you wrote:
>>Goto http://www.datafellows.com/news/pr/eng/19990129.htm
>>This is a possible virus. The above link points to a reputable source
where
>>you can find out more. Do yourself a favor and don't run any unsolicated
>>attachments, ever.
>
>The above link points nowhere, according to IE.
>--
>   .*.  "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are
not
>-()  <  circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a
>   `*'  straight
e."    -------------------------------------------------
>        -- B. Mandelbrot  |http://surf.to/pgd.net
>_____________________ ____|________     Paul Derbyshire
[e-mail]
>Programmer & Humanist|ICQ: 10423848|
>
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: READ THIS NOW. Re: (fractint) In Which The Mad Lurker Actually  Posts A Par
Date: 15 Feb 1999 10:22:23 EST

In a message dated 2/14/99 6:10:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, [e-mail]
writes:

<< >Goto http://www.datafellows.com/news/pr/eng/19990129.htm
 >This is a possible virus. The above link points to a reputable source where
 >you can find out more. Do yourself a favor and don't run any unsolicated
 >attachments, ever.

 The above link points nowhere, according to IE. >>

I tried registering three times and got nowhere in terms of downloading the
trial version of the software.

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From: Tom Conally <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) happy99
Date: 15 Feb 1999 10:44:25 -0500

At 09:51 AM 2/15/1999 -0500, you wrote:
>   Thank you.
>I don't talk much but I read everything.    Attachment Converted:
>"c:\program files\eudora\attach\bfranzus.vcf"
What is this file extension  .vcf  I can't open it.
Tom Conally
In every boomerang there is a perfect throw.
Your life, Grasshopper, is to practice
till you find that throw
and become one with that boomerang!
http://www.angelfire.com/nc/conally  " Flying Frog Boomerangs"
http://members.tripod.com/~afractal   " Flying Frogs Fractals"
http://www.netpath.net/~conally     "Paradise"

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (fractint)  Remark on Happy99
Date: 15 Feb 1999 10:31:36 EST

In a message dated 2/14/99 7:28:14 PM Pacific Standard Time, [e-mail]
writes:

<< >I apologize to everyone for the posting of the "happy99"  program.
 >The person who posted it has been removed from the list.
  >>

See
http://www.zdnet.com/anchordesk/story/story_3093.html

story and details for removal of worm from systems.

Paul

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (fractint) Manual removal of happy99.exe
Date: 15 Feb 1999 10:36:43 EST

Instructions for manual detection and removal

http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Heights/3652/SKA.HTM

( I tried registering three times at datafellows link and got nowhere)

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From: Ron Barnett <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) Resource List
Date: 15 Feb 1999 11:33:32 -0500

Please note that my web site is now http://www.hiddendimension.com and is
no longer http://members.aol.com/RBarn0001. This migration occured over six
months ago, and I have announced it several times. The Mapmaker utility is
at http://www.hiddendimension.com. Click on DOWNLOADS to get to Mapmaker.
The TrueMand fractal program with a formula parser is at the same location,
and it is FREE! Source code is also available for the asking - it's old 16
bit stuff in C++. I don't think there is any Fractint code in there, except
by parallel evoluation. By the way, I think the $35 charge for UltraFractal
is appropriate. It is a great program.
Ron Barnett

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From: "Benjamin S. Franzus" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) vcf
Date: 15 Feb 1999 12:51:43 -0500

<!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
<html>
<body text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" link="#3366FF" vlink="#800040" alink="#000099">
I apologize. That e-mail was not supposed to go to fractint. It was addressed
solely to one person from the list. The vcf is just a signature type attachment.
<p>B. Franzus
</body>
</html>


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From: Baxter Tocher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Looking for map
Date: 15 Feb 1999 18:16:06 +0000

Ron

Ron Barnett wrote:

> here it is:

> ------------------------ ALIEN.MAP STARTS HERE -----------------------

Thanks, Ron. Much appreciated.

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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) happy99
Date: 15 Feb 1999 20:39:41 +0100

V-Card. Digital business/calling card.
Most recent readers can properly handle this.

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>At 09:51 AM 2/15/1999 -0500, you wrote:
>>   Thank you.
>>I don't talk much but I read everything.    Attachment Converted:
>>"c:\program files\eudora\attach\bfranzus.vcf"
>What is this file extension  .vcf  I can't open it.
>Tom Conally
>In every boomerang there is a perfect throw.
>Your life, Grasshopper, is to practice
>till you find that throw
>and become one with that boomerang!
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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Xaos
Date: 16 Feb 1999 00:48:37 +0100

I just downloaded and compiled it (linux).

Yeah... the real time zooming is great (something for fractint?). Had to do
it in a (??) 320x200 (??) window under X on my P166, but I was impressed.
Like flying through space. Just great!

Oh, something else. I am going to download the latest xfractint source right
now. I promised I'd check whether it compiles on RH5.2 (I upgraded to kernel
2.2.1 but that shouldn't really matter).

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Shauna asked:

> Where could I find Xaos? As long as UltraFractal and
> other GUI-based fractal generators remain tied into the
> proprietary MS GUI, I'm not inclined to use them.

Xaos is a very interesting program. It runs under DOS, Liunux, and
now Windows. It's most unique feature is real-time zooming. And,
for the programmers, it is open source.

Check out:

http://www.paru.cas.cz/~hubicka/XaoS/

Tim


>
> Another blast of bits from David
> http://www.aloha.net/~shauna/   http://www.hawastsoc.org/
> For the best Hawaii & Pacific Basin surf forecast: mailto:[e-mail]
>
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http://www.paru.cas.cz/~hubicka/XaoS/

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (fractint) happy99
Date: 15 Feb 1999 18:48:33 EST

A note to Benjamin S. Franzus ([e-mail].-
    While using and automated AOL session to quickly download my e-mail I was
surprised to see an attached file being downloaded as attachments are
discouraged on this list.  Also to my dismay my virus protection
software(Norton Anti-Virus) flashed a warning that this attachment contained a
virus. The virus was identified as the "Happy 99 worm virus. I sincerely hope
that the similarity between the announced subject and the name of the virus
are coincidence and not an indication that the presence of the virus was
deliberate, in which case you may want to do some maintenance on your machine.
Please be more careful with your postings in the future.
            Tom

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From: Clifford Hammerschmidt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software
Date: 15 Feb 1999 16:07:07 -0800

>Though I can understand the aversion to MS, it is a shame.  There are a
>lot of useful programs available from a variety of sources that run on
>Windows.
>

Does anyone know if UltraFractal will work under WINE? This would allow
Linux users to run it...



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (fractint) What's up with the list?
Date: 15 Feb 1999 19:18:01 EST

Paul,
    First, I have had great success with internet transactions using an ATM card
(they mostly double as debit cards now and the vendors I've dealt with on the
net accept them as credit cards.).

    Second, as a letter carrier for the US Postal Service, I have no problem with
the term snail mail, or being thought of as slow in comparison to e-mail.  I
can't compete with nanosecond speeds, but I'm fairly certain that snail mail
is just as reliable as e-mail if not more so and we can deliver hard copy. :-)

    I suspect that you make outrageous statements like these to generate list
traffic.  If so, it seems to work.:-)
                                            Tom

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From: "Tim Wegner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) happy99 warning
Date: 15 Feb 1999 18:43:24 -0600

Greetings fractint-digest member.

A fractint list member uploaded as an attachment a program called
happy99.exe. This program is a worm-style virus that can cause
trouble if you attempt to open the attachment from within your
mailer. The attachment is in fractint-digest issue #364 that was
sent February 14.

If you want to know more about this, you will find some other
messages in the archive, including some links to web sites that tell
how to get rid of it.

Tim Wegner
fractint list administrator

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From: "Dave Hershey (Volt Computer)" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (fractint) What's up with the list?
Date: 15 Feb 1999 16:48:41 -0800

Hmmm... How do you feel about the term, "going postal"?

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Paul,
    First, I have had great success with internet transactions using an
ATM card
(they mostly double as debit cards now and the vendors I've dealt with on
the
net accept them as credit cards.).

    Second, as a letter carrier for the US Postal Service, I have no
problem with
the term snail mail, or being thought of as slow in comparison to e-mail.  I
can't compete with nanosecond speeds, but I'm fairly certain that snail mail
is just as reliable as e-mail if not more so and we can deliver hard copy.
:-)

    I suspect that you make outrageous statements like these to generate
list
traffic.  If so, it seems to work.:-)

Tom

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From: "Nature Leseul" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Yet another Parallelogram par
Date: 15 Feb 1999 19:42:14 -0600

  In my last message, I noted that my Parallelogram formula was "slightly
optimized." I tested the optimized version before sending it, and it seemed
to work correctly. Naturally enough, I tried loading the same formula today
to explore some more, and instead of my precious rectangle structure, I came
up with a twisted Mandelbrot image. Interesting as this would have been at
any other time, I wanted my formula back. Testing my two previous pars with
the optimized formula yielded only one unremarkable image and one blank
screen, so I suppose the "real" formula is of more use. Both the
Parallelogram formula (correct) and the ParallelogramErr formula
("optimized") are posted below.

  Now, today's par, "City." This is certainly an interesting structure,
quite unlike the Mandelbrot images I'm accustomed to working with. Hm, maybe
if I zoom in closer I'll see the Fractal citizens walking the streets of
this Fractal city. Ah well, for another day. :-)

--------------------

City               { ; by Nature Leseul
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm
  formulaname=Parallelogram passes=t
  center-mag=-1.54110680436999900/+0.01101131233209416/3.327835e+008/0.753\
  6/90/44.734 float=y maxiter=10000
  colors=000mmm<6>zzz<31>226004005<2>002000000<54>x00z00y00<46>000<28>wuX<\
  15>0r0<30>020000111<25>kkk
  }

frm:Parallelogram {
 ;Nature Leseul
 z=0, z1=0, z2=0, c=pixel:
 z1 = (real(z1)+imag(z2))
 z2 = (real(z2)+imag(z1))
 z = z1*z2 + c
 z1 = z1*z1 + c
 z2 = z2*z2 + c
 |z| < 4
}

frm:ParallelogramErr {
 ;Nature Leseul
 z=0, z1=0, z2=0, c=pixel:
 z1 = (real(z1)+imag(z2))
 z = z1*z2 + c
 z1 = z1*z1 + c
 z2 = z2*z2 + c
 |z| < 4
}

!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i
!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!
i!i!                             Nature Leseul
i!i!
i!i! "I wil play you some Mozart, if you like, which wil onlyi!i!
i!i!  make you weep, but my Don Juan, Christine, burns,  i!i!
i!i!  and yet he is not struck by fire from Heaven... You    i!i!
i!i!  see, Christine, there is some music that is so terriblei!i!
i!i!  that it consumes all who approach it."                      i!i!
!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i
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From: Bob Margolis <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re: happy99 warning
Date: 15 Feb 1999 22:49:49 -0600

Our Leader, Tim, wrote:
>
<snip>

The attachment is in fractint-digest issue #364 that was sent February
14.

<snip>

Tim;

Did you remove this message from the archives so that someone in the
future won't download it, open it, and fall victim to it?

Bob

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From: Barry N Merenoff <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re: Parallelogram
Date: 16 Feb 1999 00:48:31 -0500

When you make a slight change to a formula, it helps to zoom ouf the imag=
e
to see if the interesting part of the fractal has moved slightly.

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From: Barry N Merenoff <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) My second par
Date: 16 Feb 1999 03:16:30 -0500

A quasiperiodic tiling of Mandelbrots.

PenroseMandel      {
  reset=3D1950 type=3Dformula formulafile=3Dpenrose.frm formulaname=3Dpen=
mand1
  passes=3D1 center-mag=3D172.95/65.3673/0.02882724 params=3D0.4/0 float=3D=
y
  maxiter=3D1000 inside=3Dbof60
  colors=3D000000<15>0c0<15>zzz<15>0c0<14>030000002<14>00c<15>zzz<15>00c<=
14>\
  003000022<14>0cc<15>zzz<15>0cc<14>033000200<13>`00c00d44<13>zzz<15>c00<=
1\
  4>300
  }

penmand1 {
a=3D(-1)^.4,
b=3Dpixel,
c=3Dsin(real(b))+flip(sin(imag(b))),
b=3Db*a,
c=3Dc*a+sin(real(b))+flip(sin(imag(b))),
b=3Db*a,
c=3Dc*a+sin(real(b))+flip(sin(imag(b))),
b=3Db*a,
c=3Dc*a+sin(real(b))+flip(sin(imag(b))),
b=3Db*a,
c=3Dc*a+sin(real(b))+flip(sin(imag(b))),
c=3Dc*p1,
z=3D0:
z=3Dsqr(z)+c,
|z|<=3D1000
}


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From: "Shauna Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software
Date: 15 Feb 1999 22:41:23 -1000

On 14 Feb 99 at 18:11, Ken Childress wrote:

> Though I can understand the aversion to MS, it is a
> shame.  There are a lot of useful programs available
> from a variety of sources that run on Windows.

I know that - I run a few of them around here (several
versions fo WordPerfect, several versions of CorelDraw
and CorelPhotoPaint, etc). I even have TrueMand
here - does some very nice images, but sometimes
likes to leave blank lines when minimized. But I run OS/2
and W95 on the same box, and OS/2 runs faster and more
smoothly.

I suppose someday I'll have to download the Fractint
source and see about compiling it to an OS/2 native.
(Yes, I've futzed with the OS/2 version of WinFract - DOS
Fractint beats it hands down.) Of course, I'm no
programmer, so I'd probably just mess it all up ... <G>

Anyway, unless some experts are interested in producing a
native OS/2 version of DOS Fractint, I suspect this is
sufficiently offtopic to make it worth dumping my part of
the discussion.

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From: "Shauna Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Xaos
Date: 16 Feb 1999 00:36:01 -1000

Thanks - downloading the OS/2 version right now.

On 14 Feb 99 at 20:11, Tim Wegner wrote:

> Shauna asked:
>
> > Where could I find Xaos? As long as UltraFractal and
> > other GUI-based fractal generators remain tied into the
> > proprietary MS GUI, I'm not inclined to use them.
>
> Xaos is a very interesting program. It runs under DOS,
> Liunux, and now Windows. It's most unique feature is
> real-time zooming. And, for the programmers, it is open
> source.
>
> Check out:
>
> http://www.paru.cas.cz/~hubicka/XaoS/

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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software
Date: 16 Feb 1999 12:09:29 +0100

I have tried that with an older version (?) of UF and an old version of WINE
(!). Unsuccessful. But there may be a good chance. TieraZon for instance
runs great under my wine.

I'll try to run UF. Unfortunately I'll have to dl the binaries (I have the
990214 source, but not enough HD space to compile...) and try it again.

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tell what job is running just by listening to the rate of popping.


-----Original Message-----


>>Though I can understand the aversion to MS, it is a shame.  There are a
>>lot of useful programs available from a variety of sources that run on
>>Windows.
>>
>
>Does anyone know if UltraFractal will work under WINE? This would allow
>Linux users to run it...
>
>
>
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From: Paul Derbyshire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) happy99
Date: 16 Feb 1999 06:46:32 -0500

At 09:51 AM 2/15/99 -0500, you wrote:
>   Thank you.
>I don't talk much but I read everything.    Attachment Converted:
>"c:\WINDOWS\DESKTOP\Temporary Stuff\Attachments\bfranzus1.vcf"

AAAA! More attachments!

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From: Tom Conally <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) first par post
Date: 16 Feb 1999 10:05:48 -0500

OK guys I have been on the list for sometime and haven't contributed a par.
Here is my first posted  Fractint par
I'll let you guys that understand the formulas do the formula manipulation
for now.

headdress.par
headdress          { ; Tom Conally 1999
  reset=1960 type=manlam(fn||fn) function=sin/sqr passes=t
  center-mag=+3.09702876164433700/-0.00000000030908016/4.164104e+007
  params=0/0/10 float=y maxiter=1000 fillcolor=111
  colors=000JwV<3>6sFZwj<5>v_oSsj<6>44nVvg<6>RQNZxf<5>vfGVzj<5>_wf`vebfZjM\
  Ms19Yxg<6>ugNjDWWol<3>a4xX__Z8OZvh<4>uaWNlmFYp6JtVve<4>VaCUX6Wse<6>i06Gg\
  q0PxLp`BeQ0VFWze<6>ht6Ook<2>0IqTvi<2>LidOud<2>1dK_tj<2>p_mSsf<5>ADEXod<2\
  >dJMUwe<5>Oa6ZcpbGvTue<6>DL1VvjVqkZriVll<2>WYn<2>8jk<3>BdI<5>W4P<2>Q4iN5\
  qMAq<5>Efs55n<5>uOt<4>lVikXfiYdg_ageahk`ir_<6>W7j<2>uLe<2>79T<6>oAYI9kim\
  _X9L<4>BSK`cXbZUVrk<4>SBuPoe<3>04KZzi<5>xzaTkh<2>K3bTuk<6>FLuSzfPybMxZ
  }


Tom Conally
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Your life, Grasshopper, is to practice
till you find that throw
and become one with that boomerang!
http://www.angelfire.com/nc/conally  " Flying Frog Boomerangs"
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From: Gedeon Peteri <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: updated web site
Date: 16 Feb 1999 10:22:26 -0500

Debora,

Many thanks for your kind comments.

Gedeon

Kivryn wrote:

> Hi Gedeon,
>
> Just visited your pages and am very impressed.  Gone thing I got a
> cd-rw with my computer upgrade. :)  I enjoyed all of your galleries,
> not just the fractals.
>
> Debora
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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Xfractint compilation [Re: (fractint) Xaos]
Date: 16 Feb 1999 16:52:12 +0100

I have compiled xfractint.... unsuccessfully.

I haven't really been debugging it yet, but this is what I get.

I compiled with gcc 2.7.(latest), RH5.2, kernel 2.2.1. Turned on -O3
optimization btw. No other options changed.

general.c:12: bstring.h not found.

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-----Original Message-----


>I just downloaded and compiled it (linux).
>
>Yeah... the real time zooming is great (something for fractint?). Had to do
>it in a (??) 320x200 (??) window under X on my P166, but I was impressed.
>Like flying through space. Just great!
>
>Oh, something else. I am going to download the latest xfractint source
right
>now. I promised I'd check whether it compiles on RH5.2 (I upgraded to
kernel
>2.2.1 but that shouldn't really matter).
>
>--
>
>Dean-Christian Strik
>   ICQ: 11760568
> [e-mail]
>[e-mail]
>
>Real programmers like vending machine popcorn. Coders pop it in the
>microwave oven. Real programmers use the heat given off by the CPU. They
can
>tell what job is running just by listening to the rate of popping.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Tim Wegner <[e-mail]>
>To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>Date: maandag 15 februari 1999 03 09 Fluxen
>Subject: (fractint) Xaos
>
>
>Shauna asked:
>
>> Where could I find Xaos? As long as UltraFractal and
>> other GUI-based fractal generators remain tied into the
>> proprietary MS GUI, I'm not inclined to use them.
>
>Xaos is a very interesting program. It runs under DOS, Liunux, and
>now Windows. It's most unique feature is real-time zooming. And,
>for the programmers, it is open source.
>
>Check out:
>
>http://www.paru.cas.cz/~hubicka/XaoS/
>
>Tim
>
>
>>
>> Another blast of bits from David
>> http://www.aloha.net/~shauna/   http://www.hawastsoc.org/
>> For the best Hawaii & Pacific Basin surf forecast:
mailto:[e-mail]
>>
>> Random Thought for this Nanosecond
>> I'm normally a wolf -- but on full moons I turn into a Sysop.
>>
>>
>>
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From: Paul Derbyshire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Xfractint compilation [Re: (fractint) Xaos]
Date: 16 Feb 1999 11:13:01 -0500

At 04:52 PM 2/16/99 +0100, you wrote:

>I compiled with gcc 2.7.(latest)

I hate to break the bad news to you, but the latest GCC is 2.8.1 and
there's also EGCS.

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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Xaos
Date: 16 Feb 1999 18:18:37 +0100

I can't find the windows version.

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-----Original Message-----


Shauna asked:

> Where could I find Xaos? As long as UltraFractal and
> other GUI-based fractal generators remain tied into the
> proprietary MS GUI, I'm not inclined to use them.

Xaos is a very interesting program. It runs under DOS, Liunux, and
now Windows. It's most unique feature is real-time zooming. And,
for the programmers, it is open source.

Check out:

http://www.paru.cas.cz/~hubicka/XaoS/

Tim


>
> Another blast of bits from David
> http://www.aloha.net/~shauna/   http://www.hawastsoc.org/
> For the best Hawaii & Pacific Basin surf forecast: mailto:[e-mail]
>
> Random Thought for this Nanosecond
> I'm normally a wolf -- but on full moons I turn into a Sysop.
>
>
>
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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Xfractint compilation [Re: (fractint) Xaos]
Date: 16 Feb 1999 18:20:59 +0100

With gcc "2.7.(latest)" I mean the latest 2.7 release.

I have 2.8.1 as well, but as you very well know, it's not that perfect....

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>At 04:52 PM 2/16/99 +0100, you wrote:
>
>>I compiled with gcc 2.7.(latest)
>
>I hate to break the bad news to you, but the latest GCC is 2.8.1 and
>there's also EGCS.
>
>--
>   .*.  "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are
not
>-()  <  circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a
>   `*'  straight
e."    -------------------------------------------------
>        -- B. Mandelbrot  |http://surf.to/pgd.net
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From: Ken Childress <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software
Date: 16 Feb 1999 09:59:09 -0800 (PST)


Tim,

> > Only in the last stage I have added a feature
> > to import Fractint parameter sets. This was possible because the
> > formula compiler can also read Fractint fractal formulas.
> >
> > Thanks to the extensive documentation in Fractint, I was able to
> > do this without looking at the source, just by following the help
> > text and trying some parameter sets to be sure.
>
> However, in a more general way I could have been talking about
> Ultra Fractal. You have benefiting enormously from Fractint in
> developing your concepts to go beyond Fractint. You say as much
> in the quotes above. You have included the functionality of
> Fractint's parser in your program. If you hadn't, it would not be
> possible to run translated formula PARs in Ultra Fractal. (You were
> within your rights to do this).

Doesn't this happen with virtually all competing (similar) programs?

I certainly don't condone stealing of anyone's code, but I see that this
is merely the natural competition between similar programs as they
evolve.  It happens all the time with Netscape/IE, Word/WordPerfect,
etc., etc., etc.

> I find that now the shoe is on the other foot. My programming skills
> have fallen way behind because in my professional life I do non-GUI
> C programming. I have never managed to get myself assigned to do
> any Windows or GUI programming, or even C++. Most of the other
> team members are in a similar situation. Unless we get an infusion
> of new programming blood, or unless someone starts a brand new
> open source project similar to Fractint (but avoids the problems of
> the legacy code and platform), Fractint and what it represents is
> dead.

This would be a shame, but is understandable.  Personally, being tied
to the text based IF is what limits my using Fractint more.  I certainly
love it for generating images from PARs people post, though.

> Where is there a full featured, open source program that is a
> worthy successor to Fractint? There isn't one, as far as I know.

Well, UF could certainly evolve into such a thing, at least on the
Windows platform, though it may not be open source.  One a program
enters into the GUI interface realm, portability suddenly becomes quite
a major task.  Maybe one could study PoVRay to learn what they have done
and apply it to Fractint's future.

> Actually I am very interested in Xaos, which runs on many
> platforms, and has just been ported to Windows. I may shift my
> efforts to working with Xaos, or merging some of Fractint's features
> with Xaos. Xaos, besides being open source, acknowledges
> Fractint generously.

Is there a link to the Windows version?  I haven't been able to find
it.

> I am radically committed to the open source concept. I love Linux,
> POV-Ray, Fractint, and Xaos for this reason. I don't expect anyone
> one else to agree with me. It's just my personal decision. I am not
> even speaking for "Stone Soup" when I say this.

I think these efforts are wonderful.  I hope they are able to continue.
I also understand the reasons why people choose to go the commercial or
shareware routes.

> The bottom line for me is: you have benefited from our thousands of
> hours of work over ten years. We will not benefit from your work
> because your program is not open source. I am not saying you are
> making the wrong decision, or that the situation should be
> otherwise, I am  just saying that it's a fact: we won't be able to
> benefit from your work. We knew this was a possibility going in, we
> took the risk with our eyes wide open, so we can't complain.

I'm not so sure this is totally accurate.  Did Frederik study the source
code?  If not, then you can benefit from UF just as much as he may have
benefitted from Fractint.  One can benefit greatly simply by studying
documentation, help files, UI layout, etc. without having access to the
source.



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From: "Ricardo M. Forno" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Questions about Fractint
Date: 16 Feb 1999 15:04:06 -0300

Please, anyone up there can help?
I have two questions about Fractint:
1) I have seen parameter files where a background/border in a different
color is drawn, but I can't get one. How is it done?
2) Why many (not all) lyapunov fractals are drawn with the "1" option in
the x screen, in spite of having specified "g"?
Thanks a lot!

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From: Ken Childress <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software
Date: 16 Feb 1999 10:04:17 -0800 (PST)


Tim,

> The question then is, should Fractint remain open source, or
> should we not release the source to version 20? Why should we
> write open source, free software, when others will look at our code,
> even ask us questions about specific lines of code, and incorporate
> our new features into their fractint-compatible, commercial, closed
> source program?

People can incorporate your features regardless of the availability of
the source.

Though, to answer your question, I would think the answer might depend
upon whether or not the developers of Fracint want to benefit
financially from their efforts.  Or, at least attempt to.

If your philosophy is to keep the development open, and make the source
available, then you continue to do so out of principle fully realizing
the risk of others studying the code and doing as you might fear.

Either way, I would support your decision.


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From: "Frederik Slijkerman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software
Date: 16 Feb 1999 19:59:40 +0100


> Does anyone know if UltraFractal will work under WINE? This would allow
> Linux users to run it...

If anyone can get UF to work with Linux, I would be interested to hear
about it.

Best regards,
Frederik.


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From: "Frederik Slijkerman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software
Date: 16 Feb 1999 20:29:33 +0100

Tim,

> I installed Ultrafractal
> yesterday for a quick look, and it is obviously a program with a
> completely different design and implementation.

Ok, thanks. :)

> However, in a more general way I could have been talking about
> Ultra Fractal. You have benefiting enormously from Fractint in
> developing your concepts to go beyond Fractint. You say as much
> in the quotes above. You have included the functionality of
> Fractint's parser in your program. If you hadn't, it would not be
> possible to run translated formula PARs in Ultra Fractal. (You were
> within your rights to do this).

That's true, but this is not due to the availability of the source
code. I can learn from Fractint just by using it and reading the
documentation. In the same fashion other developers can benefit
from Ultra Fractal, even though its source is not available.
People can see how I have extended the formula language, how I
have implemented the interface, etc. The most important design
issues are plainly visible from the outside. And the other decisions
can be made by every decent programmer, I think.

Furthermore, I think it is very difficult to understand source
code written by others (especially if it's not very well commented
:-)). So in my experience it is usually more efficient to write
things yourself than by copying it from others. At least when
you know how to do it.

> Unless we get an infusion
> of new programming blood, or unless someone starts a brand new
> open source project similar to Fractint (but avoids the problems of
> the legacy code and platform), Fractint and what it represents is
> dead.

That's a pity. But I can very well understand that working on
Fractint is not as fun and exciting for you anymore as it as been
ten years ago. Ten years is a long period to work on a project.

> The bottom line for me is: you have benefited from our thousands of
> hours of work over ten years. We will not benefit from your work
> because your program is not open source.

This is not true, as I have pointed out above.

Best regards,
Frederik.


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From: Paul Derbyshire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Xfractint compilation [Re: (fractint) Xaos]
Date: 16 Feb 1999 15:07:44 -0500

At 06:20 PM 2/16/99 +0100, you wrote:
>With gcc "2.7.(latest)" I mean the latest 2.7 release.
>
>I have 2.8.1 as well, but as you very well know, it's not that perfect....

EGCS is good, except for a nagging exception bug (this prints a bogus
error: void (*func) (void) throw (); ... Stroustrup 3rd Ed clearly states
that an exception specification on a function pointer is legitimate).

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From: Barry N Merenoff <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re: One of the two questions about Fractint
Date: 16 Feb 1999 15:59:37 -0500

The option for coloring the boundaries in Boundary Tracing is inaptly nam=
ed
Fill Color. (?!)

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: One of the two questions about Fractint
Date: 16 Feb 1999 16:27:45 EST

In a message dated 2/16/99 2:04:08 PM Mountain Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

> The option for coloring the boundaries in Boundary Tracing is inaptly named
>  Fill Color. (?!)

Umm, that's the color used to fill in the often fairly large spaces outlined
by the boundaries (or the spaces sometimes left with the Tesseral option). "B"
instead of 1, 2, G, etc. sets the Boundary Tracing option. ("T" sets
Tesseral.)

Dama <boundary-tracing fanatic>

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From: John Wilson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re: READ THIS NOW.
Date: 16 Feb 1999 15:59:50 -0800

Hi Clifford,

Sunday, February 14, 1999, you wrote:

CH> Goto http://www.datafellows.com/news/pr/eng/19990129.htm
CH> This is a possible virus. The above link points to a reputable source where
CH> you can find out more. Do yourself a favor and don't run any unsolicated
CH> attachments, ever.

CH> At 08:16 PM 2/14/99 +0000, John Wilson wrote:
>>
>>Attachment Converted: "c:\program files\eudora\attach\Happy99.exe"

And I want to thank you for your input.   I've written to Tim as
follows:

SNIP   xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

As I now have a sterilized machine, I can write this overdue letter.

Firstly I want to apologize for being the unwitting instrument for
the transmission of the Happy99 worm into the Fractint group.

Next, I wish to warn you that this thing is just a little smarter than
Fractint members realize.  As I'm no longer on your list, I am unable
to issue a warning, but may I suggest that you might remind all
members to examine their computer with an up-to-date virus
checker: i.e. one which is aware of late 1998 - 1999 viruses.
 -------------------------------------------------
Incidentally, that worm did not ATTACH to a message, it REPLACED the
following...which was dumped into my "sent" folder.   Note the date;
actually Nature wrote on Feb.13th, and I replied on the 14th.  This
old date effectively hid the message among stuff sent a year ago.

Sunday, December 13, 1998, Nature wrote:

NL>   Well, I was playing with my frm file, and I came up with this
NL> formula. I
NL> don't know if this same mathematical logic has done before; I
NL> don't know all
NL> the frms floating around out there. :-P The parallelogram
NL> structure here is
NL> kinda interesting.

Yes it is, and zooming into the bottom RH corner, plus adding a little
color, produced some remarkable draped corridors for me.  I found this
an interesting fractal, as the actual *drawing* process is visually
fascinating, in some of these zooms.  Closing drapes and rolling
carpets!   Mark's modification of the frm didn't seem to affect the
results significantly!

 John W.

Finally, I ask you to please convey to the Fractint group my thanks to
those members of your group who offered constructive and informative
comment on my problem.  Their input enabled me to clean up my two
computers promptly, and was extremely timely, as I was about to e-mail
a large number of people with my e-mail address change.  I bless these
smart guys from the bottom of my heart!

SNIP   xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx


Thanks again,
John W.
                        mailto:[e-mail]



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From: John Wilson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re[2]: (fractint) In Which The Mad Lurker Actually Posts A Par
Date: 16 Feb 1999 16:21:45 -0800

Hello davides,

Sunday, Sunday, February 14, 1999, you wrote:

d> Received from John Wilson the below, in which there was no par, simply the
d> Happy99.exe worm.
d> Tim - remove either Mr. Wilson from this list or me. Your choice.

 (Please read the headers, which you carefully copied.
 Note the ****RE*** at the beginning of the subject.   This indicates that
 my message was a *reply* to that "Mad Lurker" title, and NOT my original).

 I have written to Tim as follows...

 SNIP   xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

As I now have a sterilized machine, I can write this overdue letter.

Firstly I want to apologize for being the unwitting instrument for
the transmission of the Happy99 worm into the Fractint group.

Next, I wish to warn you that this thing is just a little smarter than
Fractint members realize.  As I'm no longer on your list, I am unable
to issue a warning, but may I suggest that you might remind all
members to examine their computer with an up-to-date virus
checker: i.e. one which is aware of late 1998 - 1999 viruses.
 -------------------------------------------------
Incidentally, that worm did not ATTACH to a message, it REPLACED the
following...which was dumped into my "sent" folder.   Note the date;
actually Nature wrote on Feb.13th, and I replied on the 14th.  This
old date effectively hid the message among stuff sent a year ago.

Sunday, December 13, 1998, Nature wrote:

NL>   Well, I was playing with my frm file, and I came up with this
NL> formula. I
NL> don't know if this same mathematical logic has done before; I
NL> don't know all
NL> the frms floating around out there. :-P The parallelogram
NL> structure here is
NL> kinda interesting.

Yes it is, and zooming into the bottom RH corner, plus adding a little
color, produced some remarkable draped corridors for me.  I found this
an interesting fractal, as the actual *drawing* process is visually
fascinating, in some of these zooms.  Closing drapes and rolling
carpets!   Mark's modification of the frm didn't seem to affect the
results significantly!

 John W.

Finally, I ask you to please convey to the Fractint group my thanks to
those members of your group who offered constructive and informative
comment on my problem.  Their input enabled me to clean up my two
computers promptly, and was extremely timely, as I was about to e-mail
a large number of people with my e-mail address change.  I bless these
smart guys from the bottom of my heart!

SNIP   xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx


John W.                            mailto:[e-mail]



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From: "Tim Wegner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) (Fwd) An apology
Date: 16 Feb 1999 19:02:36 -0600

John Wilson informs me that he has now cleaned up his machine,
so I am putting him back on the fractint list. When I took him off
the list after the worm-infected happy99 file sent itself to the list
from his machine, I told him I would put him back on as soon as he
told me his machine was clean.

Here is his note to me. Quite an interesting story. I guess I need
not say this again, but folks should NEVER run an executable
attached to an email message.

Here is another good link telling what to do about the worm.
http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/happy99.worm.html

I hearby declare that (for a few days anyway) further discussion,
and welcome back messages to John, are "on topic".

Tim Wegner

------- Forwarded Message Follows -------
Date sent:          Tue, 16 Feb 1999 15:32:57 -0800
Send reply to:      John Wilson <[e-mail]>

As I now have a sterilized machine, I can write this overdue letter.

Firstly I want to apologize for being the unwitting instrument for
the transmission of the Happy99 worm into the Fractint group.

Next, I wish to warn you that this thing is just a little smarter than
Fractint members realize.  As I'm no longer on your list, I am unable
to issue a warning, but may I suggest that you might remind all
members to examine their computer with an up-to-date virus
checker: i.e. one which is aware of late 1998 - 1999 viruses.
 -------------------------------------------------
Incidentally, that worm did not ATTACH to a message, it REPLACED the
following...which was dumped into my "sent" folder.   Note the date;
actually Nature wrote on Feb.13th, and I replied on the 14th.  This
old date effectively hid the message among stuff sent a year ago.

Sunday, December 13, 1998, Nature wrote:

NL>   Well, I was playing with my frm file, and I came up with this
NL> formula. I
NL> don't know if this same mathematical logic has done before; I
NL> don't know all
NL> the frms floating around out there. :-P The parallelogram
NL> structure here is
NL> kinda interesting.

Yes it is, and zooming into the bottom RH corner, plus adding a little
color, produced some remarkable draped corridors for me.  I found this
an interesting fractal, as the actual *drawing* process is visually
fascinating, in some of these zooms.  Closing drapes and rolling
carpets!   Mark's modification of the frm didn't seem to affect the
results significantly!

 John W.

Finally, I ask you to please convey to the Fractint group my thanks to
those members of your group who offered constructive and informative
comment on my problem.  Their input enabled me to clean up my two
computers promptly, and was extremely timely, as I was about to e-mail
a large number of people with my e-mail address change.  I bless these
smart guys from the bottom of my heart!

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From: "Pedro A. O. Lopes" <[e-mail]>
Subject: GUIs and the future of Fractint (was: Re: (fractint) The price of
Date: 17 Feb 1999 01:35:30 +0000

Ken Childress wrote:
>
> Tim,
>
> (...)
>
> > I find that now the shoe is on the other foot. My programming skills
> > have fallen way behind because in my professional life I do non-GUI
> > C programming. I have never managed to get myself assigned to do
> > any Windows or GUI programming, or even C++. Most of the other
> > team members are in a similar situation. Unless we get an infusion
> > of new programming blood, or unless someone starts a brand new
> > open source project similar to Fractint (but avoids the problems of
> > the legacy code and platform), Fractint and what it represents is
> > dead.
>
> This would be a shame, but is understandable.  Personally, being tied
> to the text based IF is what limits my using Fractint more.  I certainly
> love it for generating images from PARs people post, though.

I agree that fractint must break free of DOS if it is going to keep up
with the host of fractal programs that are out there. I really think the
best way to do this would be to throw all UI related stuff out, leaving
the "core" functionality to be accessed through a well defined programming
interface (something like set_parameter(...) / get_parameter(...) /
execute_command(...) ). Then, in good Open Source style, anyone could
volunteer to support a GUI as a front end to this library, for any variety
of environments, more or less independently of the core fractint
development.

Of course any changes of this kind will probably require a big
reorganization of the code, and some careful design (easier said than
done...). Judging from what I remember of the fractint source (during a
hunt for a piece of code I wanted to borrow, no less...) this may not be
easy - it's pretty hairy stuff - globals everywhere, DOS related niceties
such as overlays...

As for GUI programming it's not that big a deal. I guess a simple Windows
interface with the same functionality as the one fractint currently has
would be pretty simple to do. I've never programmed for X-Windows, but it
shouldn't be any more difficult.

I certainly don't think fractint is dead. Maybe it has fallen behind
a little in terms display related features, but it's still the most
complete and powerful fractal program IMO. I keep reading things like
"yeah, I do most exploring in fractint and then I import the par into
XXXX for coloring and retouching...". As for "what it represents" if you
mean Open Source, I think it's never been more alive!


> > Where is there a full featured, open source program that is a
> > worthy successor to Fractint? There isn't one, as far as I know.
>
> Well, UF could certainly evolve into such a thing, at least on the
> Windows platform, though it may not be open source.  One a program
> enters into the GUI interface realm, portability suddenly becomes quite
> a major task.  Maybe one could study PoVRay to learn what they have done
> and apply it to Fractint's future.

That's one of the biggest advantages of the approach I suggested above:
if you keep the GUI well separated, the rest of the C code will tend to
be pretty standard and easily portable - although the heavy use of
assembly might complicate things (at least it will make non x86 ports
impossible).


> (...)
>
> > I am radically committed to the open source concept. I love Linux,
> > POV-Ray, Fractint, and Xaos for this reason. I don't expect anyone
> > one else to agree with me. It's just my personal decision. I am not
> > even speaking for "Stone Soup" when I say this.

We seem to have similar tastes in sofware :)
Linux and Pov-Ray are perhaps the best examples of how far the Open
Source model can go, and Fractint is not very far behind. If the DOS
lock-in can be broken once and for all, and there are enough people
wanting to use it (I must believe there are), then there will also be
people willing to keep the project going.

> (...)
>


--

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Yo-yo: Something occasionally up but normally down (see also "computer")
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From: "Morgen H Bell" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Fractint in DOS
Date: 16 Feb 1999 22:26:19 -0500

I like Fractint better than any of my Windows-based fractal generators
because working with the keyboard is faster than using the mouse.  I think
Fractint in windows would be great as long as it kept all the keyboard
shortcut commands.
                                            Morgen

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From: John Wilson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint)   An apology (2)
Date: 16 Feb 1999 19:49:28 -0800

Hello Tim,

Tuesday, February 16, 1999, you wrote:

TW> Here is his note to me. Quite an interesting story. I guess I need
TW> not say this again, but folks should NEVER run an executable
TW> attached to an email message.
.
.
TW> I hearby declare that (for a few days anyway) further discussion,
TW> and welcome back messages to John, are "on topic".

Here's the sequence of events that led to disaster...

Firstly, my wife and I run separate stations, with separate ISP
accounts.  I'm in the process of changing both, from Netpointer to
Attcanada.

I'm also in the process of changing my mailer from Outlook Express to
"The Bat".

During part of the checkout of the systems, I went over to my spouse's
computer, grabbed a file...any large file...and sent it over to my
station.  Then I returned to my own computer and checked my attcanada
mail for a message from netpointer.   All was well, and a file had
arrived.

Happy99???  Oh, that must have been a New Years card that my wife had
received...Hmmmm, singularly uninteresting CGA-type fireworks
reminiscent of old Apple II graphics...dump it.

Now back to Fractint...Soon I had 54 messages of pain and outrage, and
Nature Leseul's humorous Subject heading looked particularly bad in
context!  I took the advice of Fractint experts, and downloaded
F-SECURE Anti-Virus by Data Fellows Ltd., with their Happy99 update.
This cleaned up both systems promptly, after I had bungled a manual
cleanup on my own system.

Lessons learned;

1.  Don't trust even your wife's computer files!  Apparently that
    thing had been in her computer since the New Year, unopened.  (It
    apparently went un-noticed in many computers around January 1)  I
    was the fool who sent it to my system, and then opened it.  Our
    out-of-date McAfee didn't even notice this worm.

2.  Don't be complacent if your virus checker is more than a few
    months old.

3.  In my case, Happy99 did NOT attach itself to a message...it
    completely dumped my message into the "SENT" folder, and used just
    the address to send itself to Fractint.  It also appears to have
    changed the date "Created", from February 14, 1999, to sometime in
    1998,  (unless, Nature Leseul's clock is incorrect???).   This
    effectively hid the "sent" file back in history.

4.  The manual cleanup procedure is tricky.   WIN95 wouldn't let me
    delete the infected wsock32.dll and replace it with a renamed
    wsock32.ska.   This has to be done in DOS mode.   I stumbled
    during the swap/rename/delete procedure, and ended up re-installing
    WIN95 to ensure that I had the *correct* file!  I am not normally
    a person given to intemperate language, but I will confess to a
    certain immoderation before my computer was back on line.

In conclusion, I apologize again, abjectly, for letting this thing
loose in Fractint.   Please check your computers for those tell-tale
.SKA files in your WIN System folder...I wouldn't wish this on anyone
else.

John W.



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From: davides <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) (Fwd) An apology
Date: 16 Feb 1999 22:49:56 -0500

At 07:02 PM 2/16/1999 -0600, you wrote:
>John Wilson informs me that he has now cleaned up his machine,
>Here is his note to me. Quite an interesting story.

>I hearby declare that (for a few days anyway) further discussion,
>and welcome back messages to John, are "on topic".
>
>Tim Wegner
>From:               John Wilson <[e-mail]>
>Send reply to:      John Wilson <[e-mail]>
>To:                 [e-mail]
>Subject:            An apology
>
>As I now have a sterilized machine, I can write this overdue letter.
>
>Firstly I want to apologize for being the unwitting instrument for
>the transmission of the Happy99 worm into the Fractint group.

(Snipped)

I would like to be among the first to welcome Mr. Wilson back, and to also
offer an apology for flying off the end as I did. By way of explanation, I
would mention that I had received that worm twice at home, more times at
work, and had gotten a little ticked off at the situation.

So... I imagine I offended Mr. Wilson and probably others; I again
apologize for being most unconstructive.






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How do I put it in reverse?

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From: "Tim Wegner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software
Date: 16 Feb 1999 22:16:29 -0600

Hi Frederik,

> > However, in a more general way I could have been talking about
> > Ultra Fractal. You have benefiting enormously from Fractint in
> > developing your concepts to go beyond Fractint. You say as much
> > in the quotes above. You have included the functionality of
> > Fractint's parser in your program. If you hadn't, it would not be
> > possible to run translated formula PARs in Ultra Fractal. (You were
> > within your rights to do this).
>
> That's true, but this is not due to the availability of the source
> code. I can learn from Fractint just by using it and reading the
> documentation.

Sure you can. You don't see my point, maybe I didn't explain it
well. Fractint is the result of contributions from many people.
People cannot and will not contribute to closed source commercial
programs except in a very general way (unless, of course, you
make them partners). It is precisely because Fractint is open
source that it developed into something full featured enough that
you would want to emulate it.

The parser is in Fractint because Mark Peterson put it there, and
Chuck Ebbert and George Martin extended it. They were able to do
that only because Fractint is open source.

Ultra Fractal then implemented the result of their work. The fact
that you did it without reference to the source is irrelevant.
(remember I am not accusing you of doing anything wrong.)

> In the same fashion other developers can benefit
> from Ultra Fractal, even though its source is not available.

I don't see the point here. We are inundated with mail about ideas
for doing things in Fractint (have you seen the Fractint Wish List
Web page?). We don't need ideas. We already have more ideas
than we can implement. We need help from people who can
contribute implementation.

> Furthermore, I think it is very difficult to understand source
> code written by others (especially if it's not very well commented
> :-)).

Difficult for some, easy for others. I used to get email every week
from hotshot students who would ask "where is Fractint's source? I
will port it to Unix by next Tuesday." Bert Tyler's joke is that
Fractint was the Bermuda triangle of porting efforts. Of course I
never heard from any of these hotshot students again. Then one
day I got an email from Ken Shirriff, saying "I have ported Fractint
to Unix. How can I send you the code?" <grin!> There are
teenagers who have mastered Fractint's code and sent us major
contributions. It is a strange fact of intellectual life that each of us
has a unique set of problems that are easy  or are hard for us. I
could tell you stories like that about many different contributors.

>So in my experience it is usually more efficient to write
> things yourself than by copying it from others. At least when
> you know how to do it.

I have met programmers who share your preference, particularly
when they are very expert on a platform.

> > Unless we get an infusion
> > of new programming blood, or unless someone starts a brand new
> > open source project similar to Fractint (but avoids the problems of
> > the legacy code and platform), Fractint and what it represents is
> > dead.
>
> That's a pity. But I can very well understand that working on
> Fractint is not as fun and exciting for you any more as it as been
> ten years ago. Ten years is a long period to work on a project.

No, it is just as fun and exciting as ever. The problem is the aging
platform. We have squeezed an amazing amount into the medium
model of Fractint, but we near a dead end. It is a very non-trivial
matter to move from conventional C programming to Windows
programming. I could do it if I had the opportunity to learn at work.
Then programming Fractint in my spare time under Windows would
be easy. I don't have time to learn WIndows programming outside
of work.

I haven't given up. There are many ways to go.  I may even become
a decent Windows programmer before I die :-)

> > The bottom line for me is: you have benefited from our thousands of
> > hours of work over ten years. We will not benefit from your work
> > because your program is not open source.
>
> This is not true, as I have pointed out above.

We have a different perspective on this. We can respectfully agree
to disagree.

My view is that open source, international teamwork, and "Stone
Soup" is the essence of what Fractint is. I'm not surprised that a
bright programmer with expertise on a modern platform can recast
the functionality of fractint into a more modern architecture. I am
just selfish enough that I wish someone would do that while
continuing the Fractint open source legacy. Then I might even
contribute to it or be part of the team!

But as I said before, the fact that I hold this opinion doesn't mean
that you are bound by it. Team freeware programming is not for
everyone. Only those of us who are idealistic and crazy.

The Fractint team is still having a blast putzing around with their
baby. I've been threatening for weeks to just release our current
developer version as a "public beta" we may just up and do that.

Tim Wegner



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From: "Tim Wegner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software
Date: 16 Feb 1999 22:16:29 -0600

Ken wrote:

> People can incorporate your features regardless of the availability of
> the source.

They sure can. But the features would never have been developed if
the program weren't open source. I can't get excited about
commercial fractal programs, although the artists might have a
different point of view.

BTW you'd be amazed how little the Fractint artists look at other
programns. The main reason is that we have been kept busy with
our own imagination and integrating contributions, so we don't look
at other programs. Our problem now is the weight of legacy code in
an old environment that does not excite younger programmers.

> Though, to answer your question, I would think the answer might depend
> upon whether or not the developers of Fracint want to benefit
> financially from their efforts.  Or, at least attempt to.

Some of us did benefit financially via writing books, but we paid a
price: Fractint's progress slowed. Quite frankly, I don't think there
is significant money to be made in a shareware or  commercial
fractal program. But never say never, someone with the right
concept and marketing plan might succeed.

> If your philosophy is to keep the development open, and make the source
> available, then you continue to do so out of principle fully realizing
> the risk of others studying the code and doing as you might fear.

Exactly. We made this decision a long time ago.

Tim


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From: Tom Conally <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) (Fwd) An apology
Date: 16 Feb 1999 23:14:31 -0500

Finally, a happy ending to a most unhappy thread. I for one never thought
this virus was transmitted knowingly. Don't you guys forget "there but by
the grace of God go I." Also don't forget that by the mis-stroke of one
finger you can send a private e-mail to a whole list. Boy, it's really a
bad feeling when that private email was a dirty joke you were sending to a
friend and you just sent it to your church membership list by mistake.  OK
back to fractals!!!


>>Firstly I want to apologize for being the unwitting instrument for
>>the transmission of the Happy99 worm into the Fractint group.
>
>(Snipped)
>
>I would like to be among the first to welcome Mr. Wilson back, and to also
>offer an apology for flying off the end as I did. By way of explanation, I
>would mention that I had received that worm twice at home, more times at
>work, and had gotten a little ticked off at the situation.
>
>So... I imagine I offended Mr. Wilson and probably others; I again
>apologize for being most unconstructive.
>
>
>
>
Tom Conally
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Your life, Grasshopper, is to practice  till you find that throw
and become one with that boomerang!
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From: "Tim Wegner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: happy99 warning
Date: 16 Feb 1999 22:31:31 -0600

Bob wote:

> Our Leader, Tim, wrote:

I'm the leader am I? I thought I was the list administrator, who is a
sort of a public slave <grin!>

> Did you remove this message from the archives so that someone in the
> future won't download it, open it, and fall victim to it?

I can't do this because I don't have an xmission account. I have
brought this to the attention of xmission. I don't know if they will
consider it worth doing. It doesn't look to bad. If you view the
archive with a browser, you see the uuencoded file. Maybe there is
software that would see it as an attachment, but on my system, I'd
have to save the web page as a file, edit out the uuencoded part,
uudecode it, and run it.

I will follow up.

Tim



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From: "Nature Leseul" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software
Date: 16 Feb 1999 22:28:53 -0600

<<But as I said before, the fact that I hold this opinion doesn't mean
that you are bound by it. Team freeware programming is not for
everyone. Only those of us who are idealistic and crazy.>>

  Here's to idealism and craziness! :-)

  To be perfectly honest, I really like the DOS version of Fractint. It's
certainly easy enough to use once you learn all the commands, and although
when I first started out I was really irritated at the difficulty of the
keyboard commands, I'm now even more irritated when I can't use the keyboard
to zoom. (Although XaoS's realtime zooming is certainly a cool thing that
I'd like to see in future Fractints.) I can see where conversion to a
Windows platform could improve the performance and allow more capabilities
in the program, but the DOS version is certainly always going to have a
special place in my heart.

  I just wish I could program worth bleep so I could contribute source to
this dream of free source. (Sheesh, if I can't even get a scrolling map to
work correctly for a game, how am I supposed to get anywhere with something
as complex as Fractint? :-P I actually tried to create a fractal generator
of my own in a bored moment in BASIC class, but I discovered that I had
virtually no idea where to go after implementing complex arithmetic.)
!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i
!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!
i!i!                             Nature Leseul
i!i!
i!i! "I wil play you some Mozart, if you like, which wil onlyi!i!
i!i!  make you weep, but my Don Juan, Christine, burns,  i!i!
i!i!  and yet he is not struck by fire from Heaven... You    i!i!
i!i!  see, Christine, there is some music that is so terriblei!i!
i!i!  that it consumes all who approach it."                      i!i!
!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i
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From: Xylen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) (Fwd) An apology
Date: 16 Feb 1999 21:34:31 -0700



Tom Conally wrote:
>
> Finally, a happy ending to a most unhappy thread. I for one never thought
> this virus was transmitted knowingly. Don't you guys forget "there but by
> the grace of God go I."

There is one more good thing from all this. Because of the uproar, I
knew what to do when a friend mentioned she had gotten "a neat little
fireworks thingy from a friend."  I lost no time at all in getting on
ICQ and finding out that it was indeed Happy99. She had the problem
fixed before her husband came home and started emailing his clients.
Both of us now have update anti-virus programs as well.

Let me add a hearty welcome back to John also. Not many people on the
list become famous after a single post.  :)

Xylen
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From: "Tim Wegner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software
Date: 16 Feb 1999 22:49:33 -0600

Blechhh! I wrote:

> BTW you'd be amazed how little the Fractint artists look at other
> programns.

I meant to write:

" BTW you'd be amazed how little the Fractint **programmers**
look at other programs."


 The fractint artists certainly DO look at other programs!!! <ggg!>

Tim


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From: Gedeon Peteri <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re: an apology
Date: 16 Feb 1999 23:57:34 -0500

Welcome back John Wilson, and I am going to be one of the few, if not
the only one, who will offer you thanks for sending that worm or
virus!!! You have, in effect, resolved a quarrel between myself and my
son! The thing is, that two days before yours arrived, I received
Happy99 from my son. Now I NEVER execute programs, even if they come
from family, so I asked him what it is and why he sent it and where he
got it from. He replied rather testily that he did not send it, but even
if he did, I shouldn't think that he would send me harmful stuff; why am
I so suspicious?! I replied even more testily that, by golly he did send
it, because it had his heading on the message! As fathers and sons are
apt to do even over trivial matters. soon we were nearly quarreling!!
And then came John's Happy99 which cleared everything up. My son and I
are back on good terms!

Gedeon

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From: Jim Muth <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re: The price of fractal software
Date: 17 Feb 1999 00:28:45 -0500 (EST)

At 10:28 PM 2/16/99 -0600, NL wrote:

>To be perfectly honest, I really like the DOS version of Fractint.

I second this opinion, or perhaps I should say I fifth it.  I
have Fractint v-19.61 (the alpha version of v-20.0, with buggy
evolver), installed on five machines.  Fractint is not the world's
fastest fractal generator, it's just the best.  (Differing opinions
welcome.)

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From: Ken Childress <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software
Date: 16 Feb 1999 21:31:33 -0800 (PST)


Tim,

> > BTW you'd be amazed how little the Fractint artists look at other
> > programns.
>
> I meant to write:
>
> " BTW you'd be amazed how little the Fractint **programmers**
> look at other programs."
>
>  The fractint artists certainly DO look at other programs!!! <ggg!>

I was wondering... That comment seemed a little odd to me.  :-)


Ken...

P.S.  As a programmer myself, I've downloaded source to programs where
it is available.  The only problem is, they don't also come with the
time to study them.  :-(



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From: "Tim Wegner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: The price of fractal software
Date: 16 Feb 1999 23:52:21 -0600

Jim wrote:

> >To be perfectly honest, I really like the DOS version of Fractint.
>
> I second this opinion, or perhaps I should say I fifth it.  I
> have Fractint v-19.61 (the alpha version of v-20.0, with buggy
> evolver), installed on five machines.  Fractint is not the world's
> fastest fractal generator, it's just the best.  (Differing opinions
> welcome.)

I get messages all the time about how Fractint is "the greatest"
which I take with a grain of salt. However I confess that your
message really made me feel good - thanks!

I should add that nothing makes the fractint programmers work
harder and burn the midnight oil later working on fractint than the
requests and suggestions  from artists they respect.

Tim


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Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software
Date: 17 Feb 1999 01:51:19 EST

In a message dated 2/16/99 11:33:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< Here's to idealism and craziness! :-) >>
Bravo!
    Steve

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From: Kerry Mitchell <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software
Date: 17 Feb 1999 00:13:17 -0700 (MST)

> The Fractint team is still having a blast putzing around with their
> baby. I've been threatening for weeks to just release our current
> developer version as a "public beta" we may just up and do that.
>
> Tim Wegner

Tim,

Please do!  If you've been watching the Ultra Fractal list, you've seen
that a great many improvements, bug fixes and artistic tools came to light
because Frederik made the UF betas public.  I've felt a twinge of guilt
ever since I started working more with UF than with Fractint, and even
though I'm not a (real) programmer, I've got my own legacy of Fractint
code built up.  I'd love to continue to contribute to the Fractint effort,
even if it's only in the "aftermarket" of formulas and coloring schemes.
(I did once contribute some complex math formulas that Tim included, but
that doesn't really count.)

Kerry

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From: "Frederik Slijkerman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software
Date: 17 Feb 1999 10:30:40 +0100

Hi Tim,

> > That's true, but this is not due to the availability of the source
> > code. I can learn from Fractint just by using it and reading the
> > documentation.
>
> Sure you can. You don't see my point, maybe I didn't explain it
> well. Fractint is the result of contributions from many people.
> People cannot and will not contribute to closed source commercial
> programs except in a very general way (unless, of course, you
> make them partners). It is precisely because Fractint is open
> source that it developed into something full featured enough that
> you would want to emulate it.

I see your point here. In the case of Fractint, this is certainly
true. But a program doesn't necessarily have to be open source to
evolve into something others want to emulate. Take Adobe Photoshop,
for example. It isn't open source, yet every other serious photo
processing tool has incorporated layering since Photoshop showed
it for the first time. This is because you don't need to look at
the source code to understand how it is done.

But I agree open source software will usually evolve faster.

> > In the same fashion other developers can benefit
> > from Ultra Fractal, even though its source is not available.
>
> I don't see the point here. We are inundated with mail about ideas
> for doing things in Fractint (have you seen the Fractint Wish List
> Web page?). We don't need ideas. We already have more ideas
> than we can implement.

Right, in that case only time can help you out. :)

> No, it is just as fun and exciting as ever. The problem is the aging
> platform. We have squeezed an amazing amount into the medium
> model of Fractint, but we near a dead end. It is a very non-trivial
> matter to move from conventional C programming to Windows
> programming.

Hm. Perhaps you could try to use C++ Builder, the C variant of
Delphi. In my experience, it takes away the problems of Windows GUI
programming, so you can concentrate on getting the program to work
instead. But inevitably you will have to spend some training hours. :)

> We have a different perspective on this. We can respectfully agree
> to disagree.

OK. :)

Best regards,
Frederik.


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From: "Morgan L. Owens" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: GUIs and the future of Fractint (was: Re: (fractint) The
Date: 17 Feb 1999 22:48:11 +1300

At 01:35 17/02/99 +0000, Pedro A. O. Lopes wrote:
>Ken Childress wrote:
>
>I agree that fractint must break free of DOS if it is going to keep up
>with the host of fractal programs that are out there. I really think the
>best way to do this would be to throw all UI related stuff out, leaving
>the "core" functionality to be accessed through a well defined programming
>interface (something like set_parameter(...) / get_parameter(...) /
>execute_command(...) ). Then, in good Open Source style, anyone could
>volunteer to support a GUI as a front end to this library, for any variety
>of environments, more or less independently of the core fractint
>development.
>
I agree that this is probably the best direction to take: chuck the UI
stuff (and a few other bits like printing) - which tend to be the most
platform-dependent parts anyway - and write front-ends (hopefully with full
open source!) to plug into the Fractint engine.

This of course is basically the approach taken in POV-Ray, with the
raytracing engine itself being the work of the POV-Ray team, and the
Windows interface being by Christopher Cason.

The Windows interface, incidentally, is not completely open source; some
portions remain closed.

Since Tim Wegner is himself a member of this team, he is in a much better
position than I to judge the pros and cons and feasibility of taking
Fractint down the same path. How do you take it, Tim? At present I think
this may well be the way to go.

Morgan L. Owens
PS. No need to go overboard with new stuff straight away; just get Fractint
doing what it did under DOS first.



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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software
Date: 17 Feb 1999 12:47:51 +0100

I said I'd try (and I will), but wine 990214 requires mesa3d, and my .tar.gz
was corrupted :( so I have to redl and compile it first. More about it
tonight (CET!).

--

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tell what job is running just by listening to the rate of popping.

-----Original Message-----


>
>> Does anyone know if UltraFractal will work under WINE? This would allow
>> Linux users to run it...
>
>If anyone can get UF to work with Linux, I would be interested to hear
>about it.
>
>Best regards,
>Frederik.
>
>
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From: "Mark Townsend" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Cubic polynomials what?
Date: 18 Feb 1999 01:35:22 +1100

Here's a couple of formulas and a few example images for an equation that I
ripped out of a book that I'm reading at the moment. I don't have the
stamina to go through all of the existing Fractint formulas to see if I'm
repeating anything. I've named the formulas after a mathematician who
investigated this stuff in 1879 but gave up because he presumably didn't
have a Pentium.

Apparently the equation uses Newton's method to solve a family of cubic
polynomials...I'm just repeating what I read, I don't really understand it.
With the constant at (0,0) the Julia version of the formula looks the same
as the Fractint "Newton", but with some other constants there are points
that don't fall to any of the roots. That much was said in the book, but I
wasn't expecting the form that those points can take: little copies of
classic Julia sets. The Mandelbrot version of the formula has the Mandelbrot
shape embedded in a cardioid ring of Newton like chains. To find the Julia
sets zoom in close to the boundary of one of the Mandelbrot forms and use
the center coordinates for the constant in the Julia version.

Anyway, I thought it was interesting.

Mark Townsend
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Cayley.par ------------------------------------------------

frm:Cayley-mand { ; Mark Townsend, 17 Feb 1999
; Always use floating point math and turn
; periodicity checking off.
;*************************
  z = oldz = 0, a = pixel:
;*************************
  oldz = z
  z = (2 * z * z * z - (a - 1)) / (3 * z * z - a)
  |z - oldz| >= 0.00001
}

frm:Cayley-jul {  ; Mark Townsend, 17 Feb 1999
; Always use floating point math and turn
; periodicity checking off.
;*****************************
  z = pixel, a = p1, oldz = 0:
;*****************************
  oldz = z
  z = (2 * z * z * z - (a - 1)) / (3 * z * z - a)
  |z-oldz| >= 0.00001
}

Cayley-m1          {
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=*.frm
  formulaname=Cayley-mand center-mag=1.26284/0.0150945/0.4423676
  float=y maxiter=500 inside=0 colors=@goodega.map cyclerange=0/255
  }

Cayley-m2          {
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=*.frm
  formulaname=Cayley-mand center-mag=-0.00820288/0.967066/15.57632
  float=y maxiter=500 inside=0 colors=@goodega.map cyclerange=0/255
  }

Cayley-j1          {
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=*.frm
  formulaname=Cayley-jul center-mag=0/0/0.6666667 params=0/0 float=y
  maxiter=500 inside=0 periodicity=0 colors=@goodega.map
  cyclerange=0/255
  }

Cayley-j2          {
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=*.frm
  formulaname=cayley-jul center-mag=0.0101139/0.00328321/7.496691
  params=-0.01105/0.97048 float=y maxiter=1000 inside=0 periodicity=0
  colors=@blues.map cyclerange=0/255
  }











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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint in DOS
Date: 17 Feb 1999 10:19:07 EST

In a message dated 2/16/99 8:27:08 PM Mountain Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

> I like Fractint better than any of my Windows-based fractal generators
>  because working with the keyboard is faster than using the mouse.  I think
>  Fractint in windows would be great as long as it kept all the keyboard
>  shortcut commands.

I feel the same! I started out with Winfract because a friend gave me the disk
and book. But I didn't get really moving till I d/l'd Fractint. I also found
it much easier to learn (okay, figure out.......*slowly,* not being any kind
of programmer etc., just a person with some eye for color and design). I have
Xaos, UltraFractal and now TieraZon but haven't had time to work with them. I
have never found I didn't have "time" to work with Fractint!

Dama

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software
Date: 17 Feb 1999 10:29:22 EST

In a message dated 2/16/99 9:33:40 PM Mountain Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

>  I can see where conversion to a
>  Windows platform could improve the performance and allow more capabilities
>  in the program, but the DOS version is certainly always going to have a
>  special place in my heart.

Agreed! I'm wondering if a DOS emulation could be written into the impending
Windows version?????

Dama

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: The price of fractal software
Date: 17 Feb 1999 10:34:42 EST

In a message dated 2/16/99 10:31:28 PM Mountain Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

> Fractint is not the world's
>  fastest fractal generator, it's just the best.  (Differing opinions
>  welcome.)

You won't get another opinion from me!

Dama

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From: "Ricardo M. Forno" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) DOS versus Windows
Date: 17 Feb 1999 12:42:43 -0300

I tried to use Ultra Fractal, but felt the DOS interface more appealing
than the Windows one.


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From: Lee&SusanLane <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software
Date: 17 Feb 1999 10:09:37 -0800

Frederik,

I downloaded Ultra Fractal a couple weeks ago, before your recent
interchanges with Tim Wegner. I was very impressed by Tim's comments on
the rewards of the community project that created Fractint and of the
pleasure and excitement it has brought to its community of users. Your
proprietary rights are very unimpressive by comparison. I have taken UF
off my computer and so shall not be sending you any money.

Tim, my hat is off to you and your associates, and if you ever want $35
from your users, it would be not only a pleasure to send it to you, but
the best bargain I ever got.

Lee Lane


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From: Ken Childress <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software
Date: 17 Feb 1999 08:17:24 -0800 (PST)


Lee,

> I downloaded Ultra Fractal a couple weeks ago, before your recent
> interchanges with Tim Wegner. I was very impressed by Tim's comments on
> the rewards of the community project that created Fractint and of the
> pleasure and excitement it has brought to its community of users. Your
> proprietary rights are very unimpressive by comparison. I have taken UF
> off my computer and so shall not be sending you any money.

IMO, that is a shame.  While UF certainly lacks some features of
Fractint that are desireable, UF is a fantastic program.  These programs
are tools.  Tools that can be used for amusement, learning, or to create
some very impressive art.

The developers of one of the tools have chosen to keep it's development
fully open.  Others, Frederik, specifically, have chosen not to.  So
what?  There are going to be fractal programs in the future that will
incorporate some of the features that UF has, probably layering being
one of the first.  Does that make UF any less useful?

I've tried several of the programs available.  By far, Fractint and UF
are the easiest to use, and most powerful, IMO.  Of the Windows programs
I've tried, UF is so easy to use it is almost ridiculous.  The problem
with UF is that there are so many powerful features that it takes a
while to learn them.

However, the great thing, I think, is that there are those like Tim (and
all the contributors to Fractint), Frederik, and others who are willing
to spend the time to create such outstanding tools that the rest of us
can play with.  It doesn't matter to me if the tool is freeware,
shareware, or has source code available.  If I like the tool, I'll use
it.  Just as I do with any other tool for any other purpose.  The great
thing is the choice, and the competition driving people to make better
tools.

> Tim, my hat is off to you and your associates, and if you ever want $35
> from your users, it would be not only a pleasure to send it to you, but
> the best bargain I ever got.

Mine too.  However, $35 for UF is a bargin and worth every cent.


Ken...





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From: Bruce Haxton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) DOS v Windows
Date: 17 Feb 1999 16:10:43 -0000

I have downloaded and played with several of the Windows generators on I
have seen mentioned on the list, but I find that for a novice to the world
of fractals like my self, the interface was not intuitive enough. I am very
surprised at this as I work with Windows every day and also have to program
in Windows at times. I find that the Fractint interface is a delight to use
and fairly intuitive for a newbie like myself. My thanks to the team for all
the thought that has obviously gone into making the interface easy for a
novice to enjoy creating fractals, but also allowing the more experienced
users to use their creative skills to the full.

Thanks

Bruce Haxton

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From: Vyvey Jan <[e-mail]>
Subject: AW: (fractint) The price of fractal software
Date: 17 Feb 1999 17:40:17 +0100

Hi,

I have one conclusion in this discussion of fractal software:
Everybody should print the following text (from Ken) in BIG letters
en hang it on the wall near to his computer screen.


>However, the great thing, I think, is that there are those like Tim (and
>all the contributors to Fractint), Frederik, and others who are willing
>to spend the time to create such outstanding tools that the rest of us
>can play with.  It doesn't matter to me if the tool is freeware,
>shareware, or has source code available.  If I like the tool, I'll use
>it.  Just as I do with any other tool for any other purpose.  The great
>thing is the choice, and the competition driving people to make better
>tools.


Greatings to all fractallers,
Jan

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From: Phil McRevis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software
Date: 17 Feb 1999 10:08:28 -0700


In article ,
    "Tim Wegner" <[e-mail]>  writes:
> should we not release the source to version 20? Why should we
> write open source, free software, when others will look at our code,
> even ask us questions about specific lines of code, and incorporate
> our new features into their fractint-compatible, commercial, closed
> source program?

IMO, the only reason commercial software *can* compete with fractint
is because fractint is showing signs of its age.  Its a DOS program,
with no Windows support.  Its currently difficult to extend because of
its 16bit DOS heritage.  The commercial programs currently have an
advantage over fractint because they support the win32 look-and-feel and
regardless of how you feel about microsoft, people generally prefer a
win32 GUI application over a DOS program.

Fractint is at a crossroads in its development.  Many people would
like to contribute and improve the program (not to detract from those
who ARE currently contributing and improving fractint), but are put
off by its 16bit DOS development environment and the constraints
thereof (memory model, overlays, etc.).  Once fractint leaves 16bit
environments behind and updates itself to a 32bit environment (even
under DOS using a protected mode extender), I predict that people will
extend and enhance fractint much more readily.
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From: Phil McRevis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software
Date: 17 Feb 1999 10:18:35 -0700


In article ,
    "Tim Wegner" <[e-mail]>  writes:
> [...] Unless we get an infusion
> of new programming blood, or unless someone starts a brand new
> open source project similar to Fractint (but avoids the problems of
> the legacy code and platform), Fractint and what it represents is
> dead.

To quote Monty Python, "I'm not dead!" :-)

Fractint is definately at a turning point in its development.  What it
needs at this point is some serious restructuring of the existing code
(to get away from 16bit DOSisms and a more portable GUI), or a
complete rewrite.  (Sometimes a rewrite is preferable to a major
restructuring.)  However, attempting a rewrite (unless one person or a
small group of people do the majority of the work beforehand) will
involve a nearly infinite amount of discussion and opinion offering
about what a rewrite *should* be.  Too many chefs, not enough cooks.

> Where is there a full featured, open source program that is a
> worthy successor to Fractint? There isn't one, as far as I know.
> Actually I am very interested in Xaos, which runs on many
> platforms, and has just been ported to Windows. I may shift my
> efforts to working with Xaos, or merging some of Fractint's features
> with Xaos. Xaos, besides being open source, acknowledges
> Fractint generously.

Funny, I look at it the other way around :-).  XaoS' ideas should be
incorporated into fractint.
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Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software
Date: 17 Feb 1999 10:30:15 -0700


In article ,
    Ken Childress <[e-mail]>  writes:
> One a program
> enters into the GUI interface realm, portability suddenly becomes quite
> a major task.

Its not so major a task if you plan for it from the beginning.  What
makes it a major task for most people is that they haven't made any
effort to isolate the non-portable portions of their code from the
beginning and then attempt to retrofit it to another platform.  THAT
is a major task.  Fractint's user interface needs are rather simple
and could be isolated into a UI layer that is implemented on
Win32/MacOS/unix.  However, before anyone attempts such an
undertaking, fractint needs to be moved to a flat memory model.
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From: George Martin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software
Date: 17 Feb 1999 12:31:59 -0500

Lee Lane wrote:

>
Tim, my hat is off to you and your associates, and if you ever want $35 =

from your users, it would be not only a pleasure to send it to you, but =

the best bargain I ever got.
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Lee, =


Don't expect a bill soon. Recall that our contribution policy is:

   Don't want money. Got money. Want appreciation.

Although I must humbly exempt myself from the second part of that
declaration, the first and third parts hold true for all of us. Like Tim,=
 I
believe that keeping money out of Fractint is not some sort of act of
generosity on the part of the developers, but an essential element to the=

vitality of this widespread volunteer effort. =



George Martin
  =


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From: Phil McRevis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software
Date: 17 Feb 1999 10:44:48 -0700


In article ,
    "Frederik Slijkerman" <[e-mail]>  writes:
> Hm. Perhaps you could try to use C++ Builder, the C variant of
> Delphi. In my experience, it takes away the problems of Windows GUI
> programming, so you can concentrate on getting the program to work
> instead. But inevitably you will have to spend some training hours. :)

I have C++Builder, and yes, it will automate the boiler plate code
that is identical in most windows programs, but you will still be
ignorant of how to write a Win32 API program from scratch if you only
learn C++Builder.  C++Builder isolates you from Win32 by using a
framework.  Frameworks are useful labor saving devices, but you don't
learn about the Win32 API by using a framework (that's the whole point
of the framework).  However, you will have to spend time learning the
framework, and there will be times when you need to use the Win32 API
anyway, so ultimately you still need to know Win32.  This is
especially true if you plan on doing advanced graphics or pixel
manipulation.  (Builder is great for database and forms apps, but
doesn't have extensive support in its framework for advanced graphics.)

I think when Tim talks about being a "Windows programmer" he's thinking
of mastering the Win32 API.  And although the API is large in terms of
the sheer numbers of function calls that are available, its not
conceptually that complicated.  Most of the complexity of Win32 is the
details of the prebuilt UI controls that Windows provides.  The core of
the GDI and event processing isn't that hard (and the concepts are
identical to the basic graphics and event programming model provided by
MacOS or the X Window System).  Learning your first event-driven GUI
programming environment takes some time, but after that you could
switch to another similar environment and get up to speed relatively
quickly by identifying similarities and differences between the two
environments.

The big gap between fractint and Win32 is that fractint's input model
is polling, not event based.  Its graphics support is homebrewed and
talks directly to the VGA hardware.  The assembly code adds some
aggravation when porting to another platform, but the xfractint code
already has C equivalent for everything that's in assembler.
--
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From: Paul Derbyshire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint)   An apology (2)
Date: 17 Feb 1999 16:33:57 -0500

At 07:49 PM 2/16/99 -0800, you wrote:
>I'm also in the process of changing my mailer from Outlook Express to
>"The Bat".

"The Bat"???

>Happy99???  Oh, that must have been a New Years card that my wife had
>received...Hmmmm, singularly uninteresting CGA-type fireworks
>reminiscent of old Apple II graphics...dump it.

Yow.


--
   .*.  "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not
-()  <  circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a
   `*'  straight line."    -------------------------------------------------
        -- B. Mandelbrot  |http://surf.to/pgd.net
_____________________ ____|________     Paul Derbyshire     [e-mail]
Programmer & Humanist|ICQ: 10423848|

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From: Paul Derbyshire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Cubic polynomials what?
Date: 17 Feb 1999 16:48:45 -0500

At 01:35 AM 2/18/99 +1100, you wrote:
>Here's a couple of formulas and a few example images for an equation that I
>ripped out of a book that I'm reading at the moment. I don't have the
>stamina to go through all of the existing Fractint formulas to see if I'm
>repeating anything. I've named the formulas after a mathematician who
>investigated this stuff in 1879 but gave up because he presumably didn't
>have a Pentium.
>
>Apparently the equation uses Newton's method to solve a family of cubic
>polynomials...I'm just repeating what I read, I don't really understand it.
>With the constant at (0,0) the Julia version of the formula looks the same
>as the Fractint "Newton", but with some other constants there are points
>that don't fall to any of the roots. That much was said in the book, but I
>wasn't expecting the form that those points can take: little copies of
>classic Julia sets. The Mandelbrot version of the formula has the Mandelbrot
>shape embedded in a cardioid ring of Newton like chains. To find the Julia
>sets zoom in close to the boundary of one of the Mandelbrot forms and use
>the center coordinates for the constant in the Julia version.

This is one I've fiddled with too. It's cool. The book it came from is The
Beauty of Fractals...:-) Same place I got it.

--
   .*.  "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not
-()  <  circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a
   `*'  straight line."    -------------------------------------------------
        -- B. Mandelbrot  |http://surf.to/pgd.net
_____________________ ____|________     Paul Derbyshire     [e-mail]
Programmer & Humanist|ICQ: 10423848|

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From: "Phil DiGiorgi" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software
Date: 17 Feb 1999 16:51:44 -0500

Hi George, Tim, et al,

>   Don't want money. Got money. Want appreciation.

You've got mine.   Buckets full!   Just please don't let it die.


  - Phil D.

P.S.   This is not a putdown of UF.   I think Fred's program is awesome, and
well worth my $35.   But fractint is something very special, as are its
creators and contributors.   I wish I had the talent to help them keep it
going.




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software
Date: 17 Feb 1999 19:14:43 EST

<<  Don't want money. Got money. Want appreciation. >>

Tim and the rest of the Fractint development team,

    I have been remiss in paying for my Fractint software.  Finding the words to
express my appreciation for this marvelous program is difficult.  Using the
program also frequently leaves me speechless.  I came across "Fractals for
Windows" in a bookstore not very long after I got a computer.  Not much later
I came across "Fractal Creations".  I eventually bought both editions of that
one.  I have spent many joyous hours watching the strange and beautiful
patterns it produces grow across my monitor screen.  What an incredible
delight!  I hadn't seen such colors and patterns since the late 60's early
70's! :-)
I was stunned when I first ran across the works of Bob Carr, Sylvie Gallet,
Les St.Clair and others on Compuserve.
    You and your teammates have demonstrated impressive generosity in giving away
a tool that can provide so many with so much. Having made some (unsuccessful)
efforts to teach myself programming I think I have gained some appreciation
(and respect) for the hard work all of you have put into this.  I really wish
I could help.  Again and again, thank you!
                                                                Tom

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From: Mark Christenson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software
Date: 17 Feb 1999 17:49:58 -0800

comment {
From the troglodite faction, a skeptic asks:

"Isn't the biggest problem (from the Fractint perspective)
with Windoze its failure to accomodate on-the-fly video
mode switching?"

Forgive me if this is an ignorant question; I'm still cowering
in my cave with DOS 6.22 and Win 3.1... ( Which is probably
why nobody will hire me for software jobs ?:-j )


Aloha, Bud


Here's a par (my Web site future title art, for a while):
}

gb2n1              { ; "Fringebrot" - (c) Mark "Bud" Christenson 2/15/99
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  function=cos/sqr/log passes=1
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z\
  iF<5>hUEeREcQD<2>XK8UI7QF6LC4E83742
  }

frm:gravibrot{ ; generalized r^(-2) by Mark "Bud" Christenson 3/13/98
; derived from gravijul
; p2 is unused as yet...
; defaults: p1 = (1,0) p2 = (0,0) p3 = (4,0)
   z = p2
   c = pixel:

   w = fn1(z)
   z = fn3(p1/fn2(w*w)) + c
    |z| < p3
  }



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From: "Tim Wegner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software
Date: 17 Feb 1999 22:59:31 -0600

Lee wrote:

> Your
> proprietary rights are very unimpressive by comparison. I have taken UF
> off my computer and so shall not be sending you any money.
>
> Tim, my hat is off to you and your associates, and if you ever want $35
> from your users, it would be not only a pleasure to send it to you, but
> the best bargain I ever got.

I appreciate your support. However I want everyone to be clear that
I am not advocating people stopping using UF, nor am I trying to
encourage any "either or" attitude between  UF and Fractint. The
point of my comments was not so much to be critical of UF but to
advocate the idea of open source.

I probably gave too pessimistic view of the state of the Fractint
team. I really don't think Fractint will "die" anytime soon, and I
really do believe that we will have some porting breakthroughs
eventually. We could even have a Windows console version that
would look exactly like the current Fractint, except that internally
we long-suffering programmers would be free from the DOS
medium model programming constraints

Tim


>
> Lee Lane
>



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From: "Tim Wegner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: GUIs and the future of Fractint (was: Re: (fractint) The  price of  fractal software)
Date: 17 Feb 1999 22:59:32 -0600

Morgan asked:

> Since Tim Wegner is himself a member of this team, he is in a
> much better
> position than I to judge the pros and cons and feasibility of taking
> Fractint down the same path. How do you take it, Tim? At present I think
> this may well be the way to go.

There is no doubt that separating the underlying fractal engine from
the user interface will be necessary.

There are several other comments in recent messages that made
sense to me, including those by Phil McRevis. I decided I better
not get into answering every message :-)

Tim


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From: "Mark Townsend" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Cubic polynomials what?
Date: 18 Feb 1999 17:29:37 +1100


Paul Derbyshire wrote...

[my stuff snipped]

>This is one I've fiddled with too. It's cool. The book it came from is The
>Beauty of Fractals...:-) Same place I got it.


Oh well, I didn't think I could have been the first to see these
things--especially since I found the equation in a book. The book was _The
Mathematical Tourist_ by Ivars Peterson, which has a chapter on escape-time
fractals. _The Beauty of Fractals_ was one of his sources for that, though
it's not mentioned specifically in relation to that equation. There's been a
copy of BOF sitting in a local bookshop for several years--untouched, it
seems, by anybody but me when I occasionally browse through it. It's not
cheap, and I've never had the money to buy it, but I plan to in the near
future if nobody else discovers it before then.

Mark Townsend
[e-mail]


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From: "Nigel H. J. Long" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software
Date: 18 Feb 1999 08:49:00 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)

>    Don't want money. Got money. Want appreciation.

You want appreciation, I will happily give it.....!  I
consider the day I first encountered Fractint to be a
wonderful milestone in my life. Now, nearly a decade(!) on,
I still find it a source of wonder, beauty and imagination.

My humblest thanks, and deepest gratitude, to each and
every one who has contributed to such a marvel as Fractint.
You have created something to be PROUD of.

Fractint is not just a great piece of programming (and it
is, honestly folks!) but it is a work of art - open,
funky, squnky, anarchic, happy art. Using it, and sitting
in on this list, is like being part of a wonderful family
(complete with all the usual arguments of course!)

I have lost count of how many people have cursed me for all
the lost nights I have caused by passing them copies of
Fractint. Once bitten - lost forever. :-)

May you, and Fractint, live long and prosper....
----------------------
Nigel H. J. Long
Information Scientist, University of Southampton, UK
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From: "Mark Townsend" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Cubic polynomials what?
Date: 18 Feb 1999 20:52:46 +1100

I wrote:

>Mark Townsend
>[e-mail]


No, it wasn't me: the spelling checker did it. Although I'm surprised that
it didn't change it to [e-mail].

Mark Townsend
[e-mail]


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From: "Andrew Coppin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) J of M?
Date: 18 Feb 1999 11:47:49 GMT


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Dump the attached PAR file into your Fractint directory. Now have a
look at "JofM". If you look at the file, you'll see it says
"type=mandel". But wait! Could it be... no, shurely it can't be...
but... yes... no... yes! It is! It's a Julia Set! It's a quadratic
Julia set *INSIDE* the quadratic Mandelbrot Set, with lines
enphasising its internal structure (see "JofM_Structure").

A freak occurance? Are you kidding? This is choas here! Coincidences
don't happen!

Take a look at "JofM2". The "2" signifies more that the fact that
this image is the sequal to the first; this Julia set is pearced by a
spike that repeatadly splits in two.

If you take a look at "JofM_Center", you'll see that the Julia Set
pattern repeates itself 4, 8, 16, 32... times, gradually ceesing to
be a circle and following the equipotential curve of... the
Mandelbrot Set. (Well, that's not so suprising; we all knew about
"baby-brots".)

In case anyone else wants to find Julia Sets in M, look at one of the
"lightning stalks" sprouting from a disk in the side of the
Mandelbrot set (not one that's too tightly twisted), and find a
(fairly large) baby-brot in it. Now zoom into an area of it you
happen to like the Julia sets of, and look in the lightning streams
surrounding it... See how they seem to have little blobs on them...
no, those aren't sampling errors... those are Julia sets!

If anyone cares, I might pose a set of pars that zoom in in stages...
Maybe...

Nam et ipsa scientia potestus est!
(Sir Francis Bacon)
Andrew Orphi Coppin
DMU MK.

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From: "Wayne Kiely" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint)   An apology (2)
Date: 18 Feb 1999 20:37:57 +1030

John,

>In conclusion, I apologize again, abjectly, for letting this thing
>loose in Fractint.   Please check your computers for those tell-tale
>.SKA files in your WIN System folder...I wouldn't wish this on anyone
>else.


Luckily I didn't open the file, although I nearly did (simply because this list IS so clean).  I
certainly will never be tempted to again!

On your list of Lessons learned, #5 should have been:-

A 'Really Decent' stuff up is composed of a string of minor concatenating stuff ups - any one of
which, taken in isolation, is entirely explainable, justifiable or totally unworthy of further
attention!

i.e. a good stuff up is always greater than the sum of its constituent parts...

Welcome back.

Wayne





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From: "Jon Camp" <[e-mail]>
Date: 18 Feb 1999 07:54:26 -0800

Hi all! It's been a while since i posted any pars. Partly because I have
been fooling around with Ultra Fractal but have not produced anything worth
posting. Here are two images I made on Fractint last night and liked them so
much that I've decided to post them.
If somebody who is good with Ultra Fractal would take one of the images and
modify it or enhance it I would be interested to see your results. This
becuase I am just starting out with Ultra Fractal.

Here are links to the two full isze images if you are too lazy to use the
par :)

http://www.cnspace.net/ftp_cnspace/fractal280.gif
http://www.cnspace.net/ftp_cnspace/fractal281.gif

Thanks!
    Jon Camp

P.S. One of my fractals made it on http://www.dailyimage.com
I don't know if that is a big deal or not but I thought it was kinda cool :)

Visit chaotic n-space network!
http://www.cnspace.net

***********************************************************
2 pars
***********************************************************


jcamp101           { ; jon camp, 1999
                     ; chaotic n-space network
                     ; http://www.cnspace.net
                     ; [e-mail]
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  }

jcamp102           { ; jon camp, 1999
                     ; chaotic n-space network
                     ; http://www.cnspace.net
                     ; [e-mail]
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From: Gedeon Peteri <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) updated website
Date: 18 Feb 1999 11:00:34 -0500

All the old images on my Euler pages have been replaced with new ones.
In addition, there is a new page of miscellaneous images. Both at my
Geocities web site. I hope you enjoy your visit.

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From: Ken Childress <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) How to Modify for UF
Date: 18 Feb 1999 08:20:36 -0800 (PST)


Jon,

> If somebody who is good with Ultra Fractal would take one of the images and
> modify it or enhance it I would be interested to see your results. This
> becuase I am just starting out with Ultra Fractal.

This quickest way to make a more interesting image from these PARs is
simply to use the "Smoothed Iterations (Mandlebrot)" Outside Coloring
method from the dmj.ucl collection.


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From: "Damien M. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) J of M?
Date: 18 Feb 1999 10:28:47 -0600

Andrew,

You can find "faux Julias" all over the Mandelbrot set, once you know where
to look. You probably know from general exploring where to find
minibrots--in spiral arms, at the centers of certain clusters, etc. To find
a faux Julia, first find a minibrot (any minibrot). From that minibrot you
will see the usual threads stretching out; zoom in on one of these, and
look where you would normally expect to see a microbrot. On your way to
zooming towards the microbrot, you will see the faux Julia.

Furthermore, you can select the type of faux Julia you want to see. When
looking for the microbrot, look in areas of the minibrot that correspond to
areas of the master M-set which produce the Julia type you're looking for.
For example, if you want a faux Julia that looks like the Julia sets
produced with seeds from the Seahorse Valley, you would look for a
microbrot in the Seahorse Valley of the minibrot. If you want "brain" faux
Julias, you would look in the Elephant Valley of the minibrot (since Julia
sets taken from the Elephant Valley of the full M-set produce "brain" type
Julias).

Not only does this hold for the M-set, but it also holds for other formulas
which produce minibrots of their own. It also holds for mandeloids of
higher powers (they produce faux Julias of higher powers) and for formulas
which produce mandeloids of higher powers.

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From: Lee&SusanLane <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software
Date: 18 Feb 1999 10:40:32 -0800

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Tim Wegner wrote:
>
> I appreciate your support. However I want everyone to be clear that
> I am not advocating people stopping using UF, nor am I trying to
> encourage any "either or" attitude between  UF and Fractint. The
> point of my comments was not so much to be critical of UF but to
> advocate the idea of open source.
>

Tim,

I feel very bad that I gave the impression that I didn't keep
UltraFractal for the above reasons. I understand that UF is a superb and
appealing program, and had it become a useful tool for me, as Ken
Childress suggests, I would not have removed it. But after investigating
it briefly, I decided that my satisfaction with Fractint, for the way
the program works as well as for the philosophy of its authors, was such
that I was not motivated to learn a new program. I will take it as a
lesson in the pitfalls of facile communication, and apologize for any
ill effects.

Here now, are a few renderings of Sylvie's Gallet_9.frm.

Best regards,
Lee Lane

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From: "narada" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) FractintPARs : Are these in plain text?
Date: 19 Feb 1999 12:01:36 +1100

I have reset my Outlook Express to send mail in normal text format, not
HTML, but I am not sure if it has worked. If not and there is still those
horrible 3= errors, can someone tell me how to change the settings? Its
Outlook Express that comes with IE4.01.
Thanks.



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From: "narada" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Fractint- Metaphor
Date: 19 Feb 1999 11:56:48 +1100

Hi.
Wathcing the discussion about the relative virtues of Ultra Fractal etc, I
am surprised no one has mentioned a rather important difference to my way of
seeing things. 'Layering' being one of its main features means that the end
result you are looking at is often not actually a fractal anymore. It is a
fractal pattern manipulated by image editing tools. Sometimes this can be
used to reveal more clearly the actual structure of the fractal, but I think
that unless this is done deliberately, artistic concerns will tend to take
over, and the stucture will be somewhat distorted, if not totally messed up.

Is not half the attraction of fractals the beauty of their nature, and the
insights into the structure of reality that they can give us??? (I do
realise that not all images generated with Fractint are 'True Fractals' for
a number of reasons including computational quirks, but even so these are
interesting for themselves too, and not 'merely' esthetic manipulations by
the 'artist'.)

It has often occured to me that each new technology or scientific discovery
humans invent gives us a new metaphor to use in our understanding of
ourselves, our minds, and the universe. The computer has been an especially
powerful metaphor for a few reasons: it is a 'universal machine', an
'anything box', and as such is the epitomy of the whole mechanistic
metaphor, and one which is complex enough to contain many sub-metaphors
such as harware/software, peripherals, programming languages,
input/outputdevices, etc etc.

It seems to me that the metaphorical implications of fractals, (and chaos
and complexity also), have barely begun to make themselves felt, but the
potential seems rather awesome, if not actually endless. I instantly felt
when I came across fractals that here was a better metaphor for the
structure of reality than quantuum mechanics. (Of course you know how much
even Einstien resisted quantuum mechanics because it did not make intuitive
sense to him that the universe should be so discontinuous.)

I myself am not qualified in maths, physics or computer science, or
philosophy, but am an artist with a fascination for these things. I am
hoping one day to find that someone is working out the practicalities of
using this incredible new metaphor in these disciplines. For instance, as I
understand it, a 'particle' such as an electron has a field of 'virtual
particles' that surround it like a cloud, becoming ever more diffuse and
improbable with distance, and each virtual particle also has its cloud of
even more virtual and improbable particles. (I know I am taking metaphorical
liberties with the language, if anyone would like to tidy up the expression
of this idea they are welcome). Isn't this a wonderful fractal structure???

What if the way particles interact is in some way like the way the areas of
complexity appear in different parts of a mandelbrot? Hmmm, let me try to
explain. As 2 particles approach each other their virtual fields interact
more strongly sending ripples of probability inward along the fillaments
that connect the minibrots that represent lakes of higher possibility, until
at a certain threshold it becomes probable enough to cause change in the
'real' particle. Well, thats pretty sloppy, I hope you get some idea of what
Im on about. :-)

Another thought: it has often seemed strange to me that the mandelbrot
hasone end. I mean, you can go down into it indefinitely, but when you come
up you reach its boundary. What if one was living on a brot an infinite
number of levels down into the mandel and trying to understand the nature of
the whole thing? Is this a fruitful metaphor for our search for God?

OK. So. A question, especially for any cosmically minded mathemeticians out
there: Have you ever thought about the metaphorical meaning of different
fractal formulas? What does the mandel (for instance) represent in terms of
the type of algorithym that generates it. What does its strucure then teach
us about the kind of things that it models? is I suppose a corrolary
question.

If there were a lot of people interested in this sort of thing, I dream of
actually putting together a book of speculative musings, mostly by asking
questions of those who are more qualified to answer these than I am.
I also find that Fractint itself provies more levels of metaphor in its
functionality, such as colorcycling, formula editing, pallette creating, etc
etc.
All these things are useful to me as metaphors for my internal processes.

So, many thanks to those who made it such fun to explore these questions.
I think thats enough for now.
I include a few pars below.

Best
Narada


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From: Ken Childress <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint- Metaphor
Date: 18 Feb 1999 17:28:26 -0800 (PST)


> Wathcing the discussion about the relative virtues of Ultra Fractal etc, I
> am surprised no one has mentioned a rather important difference to my way of
> seeing things. 'Layering' being one of its main features means that the end
> result you are looking at is often not actually a fractal anymore. It is a
> fractal pattern manipulated by image editing tools. Sometimes this can be
> used to reveal more clearly the actual structure of the fractal, but I think
> that unless this is done deliberately, artistic concerns will tend to take
> over, and the stucture will be somewhat distorted, if not totally messed up.

I think that layering, transformations, etc. are all mathematical
techniques that are used to generate more complex fractal images.  I do
see your point from a more "purist" standpoint.  In fact, I made this
kind of argument a while back when the discussion was about whether or
not an anti-aliased Fractint image was still considered a 256 color
image.

On that particular subject, the consensus seemed to be that even though
anti-aliasing rendered the image in more than 256 colors, the resulting
image was still essentially a 256 color image for the purpose of
categorization since that was how the original image was created.

The addition capabilities of layering specifically, but
transformations, etc. in general, seem to merely be extensions of that
line of reasoning.

I suppose it may boil down to the individual's philosophy when they are
creating images.  I go for what pleases me visually.  How that is
achieved is not important to me.  If one wants purer images, then one
might not use combinations of layers, or transformations, that
manipulate the "pure" image from any given formula.

> Is not half the attraction of fractals the beauty of their nature, and the
> insights into the structure of reality that they can give us??? (I do
> realise that not all images generated with Fractint are 'True Fractals' for
> a number of reasons including computational quirks, but even so these are
> interesting for themselves too, and not 'merely' esthetic manipulations by
> the 'artist'.)

What insight into reality do the Mandelbrot Set or Julia Sets really
give?

Sure, there are formulas that can mimick things we find in nature such
as mountains, trees, plants, etc.  But what reality is there in any
given minibrot?

I think the beauty of fractals, at least for me, is the visual impact.
I rarely see, or interpret, any relation to reality in any given image.
Though, I suppose I do try to do this in a sense by trying to give a
name to a particular image.

Others, I'm sure, will see things differently.  Which, I think, is part
of what makes fractals so interesting.

[...]



Ken...




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From: "Damien M. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint- Metaphor
Date: 18 Feb 1999 19:39:26 -0600

Narada,

 - 'Layering' being one of its main features means that the end result
 - you are looking at is often not actually a fractal anymore.

That depends entirely on the person creating the image. In fact, I would
suggest that almost all of the images I have created with Ultra Fractal do
in fact keep the fractal nature, since despite being multiple layers, they
are the same location and fractal in each layer. Thus the difference is in
the combined coloring algorithm.

As I've demonstrated by posting a parameter and formula file to this list
that does layering and true color in FractInt, this is not a technique that
only Ultra Fractal can use. This is a general technique. And what of many
PHC fractals, that combine two fractals nearly at whim? These are just as
un-fractal as you fear layering can be.

Do we really want to get into a discussion of "what is a fractal"? This
very nearly came up during the last contest, during the extensive
"discussions" about post-processing. FractInt's formula parser is flexible
enough to accomplish just about anything, if you are willing to work at it,
so don't pin your definition on that. :-)

 - Is not half the attraction of fractals the beauty of their nature,
 - and the insights into the structure of reality that they can give
 - us???

Yes, but another part of the attraction is that the shape can be molded,
adapted without having *complete* control over every pixel. As you point
out, not every FractInt image is a "pure" fractal--that is up to the person
at the computer. To me, using mathematical equations as my brushes is what
makes the difference. That some of those equations might be simple--and
lacking in obvious fractal detail--is not so important if the concept I
wish to convey is adequately expressed. I may use techniques some would
consider post-processing, but usually it is algorithmic in nature, rather
than by-hand touch-ups.

The rest of your philosophical inquiry would no doubt be well-received on
the philofractal list. :-) Not that I am suggesting you shouldn't post
here, just pointing out that there are others who are pondering the
metaphysical implications of fractals and who may actually be talking about
these very things. (I don't know for sure because I don't subscribe to that
list.)

Damien M. Jones   \\
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                    \\  http://www.fractalus.com/

Please do not post my e-mail address on a web site or
in a newsgroup.  Thank you.

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From: Kerry Mitchell <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint- Metaphor
Date: 18 Feb 1999 19:48:29 -0700 (MST)

On Fri, 19 Feb 1999, narada wrote:

> Is not half the attraction of fractals the beauty of their nature, and the
> insights into the structure of reality that they can give us??? (I do
> realise that not all images generated with Fractint are 'True Fractals' for
> a number of reasons including computational quirks, but even so these are
> interesting for themselves too, and not 'merely' esthetic manipulations by
> the 'artist'.)

Nothing that we can create/render on our computer systems is a "true
fractal".  They all suffer from discretization of continuous shapes and
all use false color.  There is no "real" color to the Mandelbrot set, and
rendering at 1024 x 768 or 1600 x 1200 is still literally nothing at all
compared to the infinite detail of the set.  However, like a good
engineer, I will admit that we can get "close enough".  Just because we
can't compute pi exactly doesn't keep us from using circles.

More pragmatically, as Damien mentioned, there are many coloring
techniques that don't change the structure.  In fact, many of the schemes
that I use and develop are successful because they highlight structures
that aren't normally seen when using only an escape-time coloring.  Even
that is artificial--the only true distinction is whether the orbit *ever*
diverges, not if it diverges beyond a radius of 2 in 17 iterations.

Anyway, I think there is plenty of room for purists to use alternative
coloring schemes without feeling that they're "selling out" to pure
aesthetics.

Kerry

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint- Metaphor
Date: 18 Feb 1999 21:58:13 EST

In a message dated 2/18/99 6:32:48 PM Mountain Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

>  what reality is there in any
>  given minibrot?

To me the self-similarity principle represents something crucial about the
universe-at-large -- wherever we go, there we are :) -- different shapes,
different sizes, warped or symmetrical, varying environments -- but the Force
(for lack of a better word, thank you Star Wars!) is.....well, it just is.
There, here, in the center of the image and all over the place around the
edges -- visibility limited only by zooming power. Soppy, I know, but
meaningful.......

Dama

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From: "Nature Leseul" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint- Metaphor
Date: 18 Feb 1999 21:50:58 -0600

<<Sure, there are formulas that can mimick things we find in nature such
as mountains, trees, plants, etc.  But what reality is there in any
given minibrot?>>

  _Chaos_ (I don't know the author offhand; I'll look it up if someone wants
to know) mentions an instance where the atoms in a substance on the
threshold between solid and liquid formed a perfect M-set. :-P

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!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!
i!i!                             Nature Leseul
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i!i! "I wil play you some Mozart, if you like, which wil onlyi!i!
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From: "narada" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re:Metaphor
Date: 19 Feb 1999 15:08:43 +1100

My understanding re colouring schemes generally, (Im sure there are
exceptions) is that although the boundary at which the color changes is
determined by the artist, each boundary represents a contour of some sort. I
think of the fractal itself as a quasi 3 dimensional structure which is
modeled by a 2 dimensional map on which the 'depth' is indicated by selected
contours.

Is this not so?

If so then most of the colouring options in fractint merely change the
particular contour, or change the nature of what that boundary represents in
mathematical terms. This is very different from mixing formulas or other
images together.

As a separate question: has anyone considered that each formula that will
generate a fractal is part of the set of all possible formulas that generate
fractals, and that the structure of this set may itself be fractaline?

Best Wishes All Ways
N


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint- Metaphor
Date: 18 Feb 1999 23:13:12 EST

In a message dated 2/18/99 8:55:35 PM Mountain Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

>   _Chaos_ (I don't know the author offhand; I'll look it up if someone wants
>  to know) mentions an instance where the atoms in a substance on the
>  threshold between solid and liquid formed a perfect M-set.

I would very much like to have that reference. TIA,
Dama

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From: "Leon Duych" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re:Metaphor
Date: 18 Feb 1999 20:31:23 -0800

Each point can be thought of as having a rate of decelleration/accelleration
towards/from a boundary.  For graphic purposes it is convenient (and
beautiful!) to color-code these rates.  The choice of color-code is as
thoughroughly SIGNIFICANT as it is ARBITRARY (the arbitrary part being where
the "artist" steps in).

-----Original Message-----


>My understanding re colouring schemes generally, (Im sure there are
>exceptions) is that although the boundary at which the color changes is
>determined by the artist, each boundary represents a contour of some sort.
I
>think of the fractal itself as a quasi 3 dimensional structure which is
>modeled by a 2 dimensional map on which the 'depth' is indicated by
selected
>contours.
>
>Is this not so?
>
>If so then most of the colouring options in fractint merely change the
>particular contour, or change the nature of what that boundary represents
in
>mathematical terms. This is very different from mixing formulas or other
>images together.
>
>As a separate question: has anyone considered that each formula that will
>generate a fractal is part of the set of all possible formulas that
generate
>fractals, and that the structure of this set may itself be fractaline?
>
>Best Wishes All Ways
>N
>
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Traynor)
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint- Metaphor
Date: 18 Feb 1999 23:46:36 -0500 (EST)

Ken writes:

>I suppose it may boil down to the individual's philosophy when they are
>creating images.  I go for what pleases me visually.  How that is
>achieved is not important to me.  If one wants purer images, then one
>might not use combinations of layers, or transformations, that
>manipulate the "pure" image from any given formula.
>What insight into reality do the Mandelbrot Set or Julia Sets really
>give?
...
>I think the beauty of fractals, at least for me, is the visual impact.
>I rarely see, or interpret, any relation to reality in any given image.
>Though, I suppose I do try to do this in a sense by trying to give a
>name to a particular image.

I find in some fractals the experience of awe that I get under a starlit
sky or in the presence of an ice storm.  Being led down into infinity
in a spiral of increasing complexity beyond what one can truly understand, but
that can be felt by taking part of the journey is something that I don't
find in most after processed images.  Much post processing distances the
viewer from the mathematical processes that embody the infinite.  Of
course, the computer and its screen are proxies too, but are necessary.
The more you layer on the more distance there is.  An unprocessed image is
closer to the 'real' thing than a processed one is, as standing under a
starlit sky is compared to any photo.

All that said, I like UF and will register it, but the layering and
other effects touch something different in me than the less polished, but
more direct fractint images do.

Incidently, I find fairly frequently that I prefer some of the individual
layers more interesting than the full UF image.  Must be that
unreconstructed fractinter in me.

--
Mike Traynor

People who like this sort of thing will find this the sort of thing they like.
    Abraham Lincoln

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From: Ian Kaplan <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint- Metaphor
Date: 18 Feb 1999 23:49:40 -0500 (EST)

>   _Chaos_ (I don't know the author offhand; I'll look it up if someone wants
> to know) mentions an instance where the atoms in a substance on the
> threshold between solid and liquid formed a perfect M-set. :-P
>

_Chaos_ is by James Gleick. It's a nice book, although I don't think very
much in it would be new to people on this list; it's a popularization. I
don't recall the reference, though. Were the atoms themselves actually in
an M-set pattern, and not merely some mathematical description of their
states? That would surprise me a bit, too.


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From: "Leon Duych" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) re: "Select Video Mode"
Date: 18 Feb 1999 21:56:34 -0800

Hi Folks!

Just installed a lovely, spanking new 32MG AGP Number Nine "Revolution IV"
graphics card which can do everything but wipe your butt.

But:
For hi-res Fractint "Select Video Mode" choices all hell breaks loose.
Since Number Nine technology-based choices are not represented in the
"Select Video Mode" list, I'm wondering if someone out there has knowledge
of any compatible setting(s).

Leon Duych
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From: "narada" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint- Metaphor
Date: 19 Feb 1999 20:27:27 +1100



> - 'Layering' being one of its main features means that the end result
> - you are looking at is often not actually a fractal anymore.
>
>That depends entirely on the person creating the image. In fact, I would
>suggest that almost all of the images I have created with Ultra Fractal do
>in fact keep the fractal nature, since despite being multiple layers, they
>are the same location and fractal in each layer. Thus the difference is in
>the combined coloring algorithm.

Yes, as I said, if one tries one can keep the purity of the structure and
even reveal it better with the right techniques, however few of the works I
have seen on the web seem to consider this. I must add that I have been
impressed by
the glossy finish that is achieved and the shear beauty of the effects, and
will continue to explore it myself. I was just surprised that no one had
mentioned this consideration. See my post above regards 'structure' (is that
the right word) and colouring, of iterated algorythm produced patterns.

>As I've demonstrated by posting a parameter and formula file to this list
>that does layering and true color in FractInt, this is not a technique that
>only Ultra Fractal can use. This is a general technique. And what of many
>PHC fractals, that combine two fractals nearly at whim? These are just as
>un-fractal as you fear layering can be.


Indeed. Id be interested to see your examples though.

>Do we really want to get into a discussion of "what is a fractal"? This
>very nearly came up during the last contest, during the extensive
>"discussions" about post-processing. FractInt's formula parser is flexible
>enough to accomplish just about anything, if you are willing to work at it,
>so don't pin your definition on that. :-)

Indeed
...
>The rest of your philosophical inquiry would no doubt be well-received on
>the philofractal list. :-) Not that I am suggesting you shouldn't post
>here, just pointing out that there are others who are pondering the
>metaphysical implications of fractals and who may actually be talking about
>these very things. (I don't know for sure because I don't subscribe to that
>list.)


Dumb question but where do I find this list?



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From: "Wayne Kiely" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Fractint Thanks (long)
Date: 19 Feb 1999 22:40:34 +1030

Tim and the rest of the Fractint contributors...

I, too, must add to the streams of thanks to you all.

I have been a Fractint user for years now, but only joined the mailing list reasonably recently and
have since found out how much I don't know about using the program!

I will admit to the initial learning curve for the program being a bit on the steep side, but I find
that to be the case with all 'fully fledged' software.  With any well developed fractal generator
the new user is bound to be a little overwhelmed due to the great variety of possible variations
available.  Nothing can change this.

My dilemma is that I am not fantastic at maths and I am not (yet at least) conversant with formula
writing to produce the wonderful images that Sylvie, Les and others turn out regularly.  I am
working on it, but it will take time and I don't have enough of it to get there quickly.

This is where UF, and possibly others, come into play.  I have only had the program for two days
now, but already I feel it affords me the POSSIBILITY of being able to produce the types of images
to which I aspire WITHOUT the corresponding time input.  (Thanks Frederik - you'll be getting my
$35.)  This is basically what Ray Montgomery was saying.

Having just said the above, Fractint has saved me years of my life too!  After reading some articles
by Pickover I tried to emulate his images using Basic in a few of its variations.  I can hear all of
the REAL programmers out there groaning, but it's all I had and my programming skills are about on
par with my maths, so not much point forking out for C++ or whatever.  I didn't get to his images,
but I produced fractals.  Firstly black and white only, but later I got to colour.

Trouble is, then I wanted to show people my work.  So I shelved out a fortune to Canon to get their
Laser Printer technical manuals, and wrote the routines to print raster graphics.  Having done all
that I then wanted to move on to colour printing too, but it all got too hard for a non programmer.
Then I discovered Fractint, and instead of spending my time writing bad Basic code I could produce
fractals by the thousands and even print them with no hassle.  What a relief!  Thanks again.

However I, too, feel that Fractint is approaching a crossroads.  It is where I was at years ago
trying to to do things with basic, only of course my efforts were trivial compared to the Fractint
programmers achievements.  GUI interfaces have been around long enough for even the DOS die-hards to
be a little familiar with by now, so that shouldn't put too many people off (but please keep the
keyboard shortcuts in there for those, like me, that prefer the keys to the mouse).  Surely it's
time to be able to write, copy, paste the formula; rename, move or even delete files etc. all from
the one package.  I know that this does not necessarily imply the Fractint has to go GUI, but
personally I don't see that it has much choice.

I agree entirely with your viewpoint on open source code.  Fractint is a testament to what can be
achieved by choosing this road.  This detracts in no way from Frederik's decision to charge a
nominal fee for his huge personal effort with UF.

Having benefited so much from all of your efforts, I feel it is time to help repay the debt and
assist Fractint to 'move on'.  Trouble is, as stated above, the maths, the programming skills and
the time are all lacking.

Perhaps if you let us all play for a year or two with Version 20, but you tell us what you'll use to
write the next version,  then when we tire of fractaling, those that are so inclined can start
honing their programming skills in the right direction and assist with some of the easy stuff.

Again, unending thanks and if I can assist, I will.

Wayne







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From: "Morgen H Bell" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint- Metaphor
Date: 19 Feb 1999 10:24:23 -0500


Narada wrote:

Wathcing the discussion about the relative virtues of Ultra Fractal etc, I
am surprised no one has mentioned a rather important difference to my way of
seeing things. 'Layering' being one of its main features means that the end
result you are looking at is often not actually a fractal anymore. It is a
fractal pattern manipulated by image editing tools. Sometimes this can be
used to reveal more clearly the actual structure of the fractal, but I think
that unless this is done deliberately, artistic concerns will tend to take
over, and the stucture will be somewhat distorted, if not totally messed up.

(...I've trimmed the rest)

    This makes sense to me.  I downloaded UF a couple of days ago, and I
can't decide what I think of it.  It feels like cheating, somehow.  It's too
easy to add lots of elaborate trimmings to a perfectly good fractal...it's a
little like putting cake frosting on a loaf of bread.
                                                    Morgen


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From: Ken Childress <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint- Metaphor
Date: 19 Feb 1999 07:57:28 -0800 (PST)


Morgan,

> Narada wrote:
>
> Wathcing the discussion about the relative virtues of Ultra Fractal etc, I
> am surprised no one has mentioned a rather important difference to my way of
> seeing things. 'Layering' being one of its main features means that the end
> result you are looking at is often not actually a fractal anymore. It is a
> fractal pattern manipulated by image editing tools. Sometimes this can be
> used to reveal more clearly the actual structure of the fractal, but I think
> that unless this is done deliberately, artistic concerns will tend to take
> over, and the stucture will be somewhat distorted, if not totally messed up.
>
> (...I've trimmed the rest)
>
>     This makes sense to me.  I downloaded UF a couple of days ago, and I
> can't decide what I think of it.  It feels like cheating, somehow.  It's too
> easy to add lots of elaborate trimmings to a perfectly good fractal...it's a
> little like putting cake frosting on a loaf of bread.

I have to admit to being puzzled by this assessment.  What do you mean
by cheating and why would UF be cheating?  As Damien has pointed out,
things such as true color and layering can be done with Fractint, albeit
with more effort maybe.  So, what would make UF cheating when compared
to Fractint?

Most, not all certainly, but most of the images that people put on their
web sites are very visually (at least to me) pleasing images.  While
many are not exactly to my personal likes, I can see the effort that was
made to make the images as good as possible.  Are these images a
different class (for lack of a better word) from those that you like to
create?

Many of the FotD images, for example, I find are interesting from the
standpoint of the shapes and designs that they create.  However, I don't
find many of them visually pleasing.  That isn't a criticism, it's just
my reaction.


Ken...




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From: Jim Muth <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Test -- am I still getting through?
Date: 19 Feb 1999 11:36:35 -0500 (EST)

I've attempted to post several messages to the Fractint list
within the past 24 hours.  None of my messages have been
returned to me from the list, though other messages are coming
through as usual.  This is just a test to see if it was just a
fluke or if a problem exists.

Jim Muth
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (fractint) Two pars on a theme
Date: 19 Feb 1999 12:28:09 -0500

These were found at about the same time as I found the Visitor image. Both
seem to have the same sense of mechanical objects under extreme stress.

Bill Decker

vault-of-faith     { ;  (c) Bill Decker Jan 31, 1999 t=  0:01:27.39
                     ;  on P150 800x600
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=0bill.frm
  formulaname=bills-rotate3 function=cabs/acos/sinh passes=1
  center-mag=-3.17349/-0.288918/0.09138941/1/-90 params=2/3/-1/1/1/100
  logmode=fly potential=255/100/0 rseed=-2436
  colors=000XbM<26>BPBAOAAOAAOA<20>6D65C56C5<2>BD6CE6DF6EG7GH8<13>__I``J``\
  J<27>k`ek_ejZd<25>T8PS6OS6O<32>hQThRTiSTiTTjUU<30>yxxzzzzzy<29>llWkkUkkU\
  <17>YbN
  }

flawed-lens        { ;  (c) Bill Decker Jan 31, 1999 t=  0:01:21.02
                     ;  on P150 800x600
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=0bill.frm
  formulaname=bills-rotate3 function=cabs/tan/cosh passes=1
  center-mag=-0.0931703/-5.35e-006/0.06165639/1/-90
  params=2/3/-1/-1/1/100 logmode=fly potential=255/100/0 rseed=-2436
  colors=000aeP<32>BPBAOAAOAAOA<18>6E66E66D65C56C58C5<2>CE6DF6EG7GH8<13>__\
  I``J``J<25>j`ck`dk`ek_ejZdiYc<24>T8PS6OS6O<31>gPThQThRTiSTiTT<31>yxxzzzz\
  zy<29>llWkkUkkU<11>beP
  }

FRM:bills-rotate3 {
  a = real(p1), b = imag(p1)
  c = real(p2), d = imag(p2)
  e = real(p3), f = imag(p3)
  w = pixel
  x = pixel
  y = pixel
  z = pixel
  :
  w = fn1(x+y)^a + w
  x = fn2(y+w)^b + x
  y = fn3(w+x)^c + y
  z = (w^2 - (x^2) * (y^2))*d + z*e
  |z| < f
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From: "Damien M. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Metaphor
Date: 19 Feb 1999 11:34:28 -0600

Narada,

 - My understanding re colouring schemes generally, (Im sure there are
 - exceptions) is that although the boundary at which the color changes
 - is determined by the artist, each boundary represents a contour of
 - some sort.

Clarification: some coloring algorithms are discrete, and produce regions
of flat color (like iteration coloring). Many other algorithms are
continuous and produce totally smooth gradations in color (in software that
supports it). Algorithms in this category are decomposition, continuous
potential, various statistical methods, etc. In these algorithms there may
not be "boundaries" where the colors change, except those imposed by your
fractal software's inability to render smooth color. It's important to note
the difference between the limitation of the software (since at some point,
all shading is discrete) and the algorithm (which, if it's discrete, has a
fixed upper limit on how much it can be smoothed).

 - I think of the fractal itself as a quasi 3 dimensional structure
 - which is modeled by a 2 dimensional map on which the 'depth' is
 - indicated by selected contours.
 -
 - Is this not so?

In essence you are thinking of a 2D fractal, where the coloring algorithm
(in your case, you're probably thinking of iteration coloring) produces a
height value, thus creating a 3D surface--much as you would see from the 3D
transform in FractInt. This is certainly one way of looking at it.

 - If so then most of the colouring options in fractint merely change the
 - particular contour, or change the nature of what that boundary
 - represents in mathematical terms. This is very different from mixing
 - formulas or other images together.

Of course it is--but if FractInt is your only guide, then you really don't
understand just what sort of coloring options Ultra Fractal provides.
FractInt's selection of coloring algorithms is fairly limited; that's why I
wrote my coloring formula collection in the first place, so that I could
experiment with new ways of coloring the old fractals.

You can see copious examples of Mandelbrot and Nova (and a few other)
fractals with new coloring algorithms, created in *FractInt*, in galleries
5-14 of my web site. A few of these were done by compositing several
FractInt images together, but each image in the composite is the same
fractal, with only a slightly different coloring algorithm (or different
parameters to the same coloring algorithm) applied. Most of the rest are a
single image, with no compositing. I want to emphasize that most of these
are classical fractal shapes, but with new algorithms.

The images I have produced with Ultra Fractal have a much wider range of
coloring algorithms. I cannot emphasize enough, if FractInt is all your
experience, I can see where you might think that layering means slapping
any two fractals together. Yes, you can do this with Ultra Fractal, but in
my opinion the best fractal images do not. Instead, they select from the
wide variety of coloring algorithms and use them to reinforce elements of
the fractal structure. I submit for your consideration these images:

    http://www.fractalus.com/lure.jpg
    http://www.fractalus.com/spade.jpg

(These are new.) Both of these images are composed of more than one layer,
yet the fractal in each layer is the same. The combination of different
coloring algorithms produces a final result which is much richer than any
of the single layers alone. Had I only the coloring methods from FractInt
to work with, layering would be nearly useless, but my options in UF are
vastly expanded!

 - Yes, as I said, if one tries one can keep the purity of the structure
 - and even reveal it better with the right techniques, however few of
 - the works I have seen on the web seem to consider this.

Care to name names? :-) As I think of most of the really good images posted
to the Ultra Fractal mailing list, surprisingly few of them take the
liberties with layering that you find so distressing. In fact, that so many
great images have been posted there offers an excellent opportunity to pick
those images apart and see how they work.

 - >As I've demonstrated by posting a parameter and formula file to this
 - >list that does layering and true color in FractInt, this is not a
 - >technique that only Ultra Fractal can use.
 -
 - Indeed. Id be interested to see your examples though.

Well, I posted them to this list very recently. The first batch can be
found in Les St. Clair's parameter archive for last month; the latest was a
conversion of the image "Rich", which you can see in its original Ultra
Fractal version here:

    http://www.fractalus.com/gallery15/pic03.htm

Les's parameter collection is here:

    http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Les_StClair/fml.htm

He was even nice enough to use one of my images (Gummi) as one of the index
images for January.

 - Dumb question but where do I find this list?

To subscribe, send a message containing "subscribe philofractal" to
[e-mail] and you will be added to the list.

Damien M. Jones   \\
[e-mail]  \\  Fractalus Galleries & Info:
                    \\  http://www.fractalus.com/

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From: "Damien M. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re:Metaphor
Date: 19 Feb 1999 11:13:48 -0600

Leon,

 - Each point can be thought of as having a rate of
 - decelleration/accelleration towards/from a boundary.  For graphic
 - purposes it is convenient (and beautiful!) to color-code these rates.

That is what the iteration-count algorithm approximates. More precise
values (that are continuous) can be obtained from Linas Vepstas' formula.
Even so, this conceptualization is only appropriate for this algorithm (the
main one in FractInt). When your coloring options expand, other ways of
looking at the iteration process are helpful.

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From: Phil McRevis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re:Metaphor
Date: 19 Feb 1999 10:56:25 -0700


In article ,
    "narada" <[e-mail]>  writes:
> My understanding re colouring schemes generally, (Im sure there are
> exceptions) is that although the boundary at which the color changes is
> determined by the artist, each boundary represents a contour of some sort. I
> think of the fractal itself as a quasi 3 dimensional structure which is
> modeled by a 2 dimensional map on which the 'depth' is indicated by selected
> contours.

You can think of M-set (and many other -- but not all -- fractal
images) as visualizations of a 2D scalar field.  Does that help?
Probably not :-).
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From: Phil McRevis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) re: "Select Video Mode"
Date: 19 Feb 1999 10:59:52 -0700


In article ,
    "Leon Duych" <[e-mail]>  writes:
> For hi-res Fractint "Select Video Mode" choices all hell breaks loose.
> Since Number Nine technology-based choices are not represented in the
> "Select Video Mode" list, I'm wondering if someone out there has knowledge
> of any compatible setting(s).

Any SVGA compatible video mode should work.  Or did you want something
other than that?
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From: Sylvie Gallet <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) re: "Select Video Mode"
Date: 19 Feb 1999 13:16:54 -0500

Hi Leon,

>> For hi-res Fractint "Select Video Mode" choices all hell breaks loose.=

>> Since Number Nine technology-based choices are not represented in the
>> "Select Video Mode" list, I'm wondering if someone out there has
>> knowledge of any compatible setting(s).

  Download the following file from my web site:

   http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet/vesa2cfg.zip

  Run vesa2cfg.exe, email me the file it will create (qpv.cfg) and I'll
write the entries for your Fractint.cfg file.

  Cheers,

        - Sylvie

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From: dilvie <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) re: "Select Video Mode"
Date: 19 Feb 1999 09:03:14 -1000



Sylvie Gallet wrote:
>
> Hi Leon,
>
> >> For hi-res Fractint "Select Video Mode" choices all hell breaks loose.
> >> Since Number Nine technology-based choices are not represented in the
> >> "Select Video Mode" list, I'm wondering if someone out there has
> >> knowledge of any compatible setting(s).
>
>   Download the following file from my web site:
>
>    http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet/vesa2cfg.zip
>
>   Run vesa2cfg.exe, email me the file it will create (qpv.cfg) and I'll
> write the entries for your Fractint.cfg file.

Isn't there an output to disk option that lets you select any
resolution?

- Eric

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From: Ken Childress <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) re: "Select Video Mode"
Date: 19 Feb 1999 11:07:52 -0800 (PST)


Eric,

> > Hi Leon,
> >
> > >> For hi-res Fractint "Select Video Mode" choices all hell breaks loose.
> > >> Since Number Nine technology-based choices are not represented in the
> > >> "Select Video Mode" list, I'm wondering if someone out there has
> > >> knowledge of any compatible setting(s).
> >
> >   Download the following file from my web site:
> >
> >    http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet/vesa2cfg.zip
> >
> >   Run vesa2cfg.exe, email me the file it will create (qpv.cfg) and I'll
> > write the entries for your Fractint.cfg file.
>
> Isn't there an output to disk option that lets you select any
> resolution?

Yes, but that doesn't let you view the image on your monitor at a high
resolution.


Ken...






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From: "Leon Duych" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) re: "Select Video Mode"
Date: 19 Feb 1999 11:10:22 -0800

Eric and Sylvie,

First Sylvie:
Thank you very much for your kind offer. I'll get right on it!!!

Now for Eric:
If you say so...
I am a first-time user of Fractint with little (translation: NO) experience.
If you could spell out what you mean, I would be much obliged.

Leon


-----Original Message-----


>
>
>Sylvie Gallet wrote:
>>
>> Hi Leon,
>>
>> >> For hi-res Fractint "Select Video Mode" choices all hell breaks loose.
>> >> Since Number Nine technology-based choices are not represented in the
>> >> "Select Video Mode" list, I'm wondering if someone out there has
>> >> knowledge of any compatible setting(s).
>>
>>   Download the following file from my web site:
>>
>>    http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet/vesa2cfg.zip
>>
>>   Run vesa2cfg.exe, email me the file it will create (qpv.cfg) and I'll
>> write the entries for your Fractint.cfg file.
>
>Isn't there an output to disk option that lets you select any
>resolution?
>
>- Eric
>
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From: dilvie <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) re: "Select Video Mode"
Date: 19 Feb 1999 10:21:14 -1000



Leon Duych wrote:
>
> Eric and Sylvie,
>
> First Sylvie:
> Thank you very much for your kind offer. I'll get right on it!!!
>
> Now for Eric:
> If you say so...
> I am a first-time user of Fractint with little (translation: NO) experience.
> If you could spell out what you mean, I would be much obliged.

It's possible to explore your fractals in a lower resolution than you
need, and then output to disk at whatever resolution you require (via
the disk/ram video options), where you can view and edit in another
program (such as photoshop or psp).

- Eric

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From: Ray Montgomery <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re: Metaphor
Date: 19 Feb 1999 14:03:58 -0800


    Damascena,

    No such thing as 'soppy'.  What you say is honest and open and forthright.
That is 'good'.

                    Ray


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From: "Nature Leseul" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint- Metaphor
Date: 19 Feb 1999 16:53:59 -0600

<<>   _Chaos_ (I don't know the author offhand; I'll look it up if someone
wants
> to know) mentions an instance where the atoms in a substance on the
> threshold between solid and liquid formed a perfect M-set. :-P
>

_Chaos_ is by James Gleick. It's a nice book, although I don't think very
much in it would be new to people on this list; it's a popularization. I
don't recall the reference, though. Were the atoms themselves actually in
an M-set pattern, and not merely some mathematical description of their
states? That would surprise me a bit, too.>>

  ::Flips through Chaos for an hour or so looking for the reference::

  Okay, 236. I was wrong; it's magnetization of of materials, not
liquid/solid transtions. Here's the quote:

  "Fractal basin boundaries addressed deep issues in theoretical physics.
Phase transitions were matters of thresholds, and [Heinz-Otto] Peitgen and
[Peter H.] Richter looked at one of the best-studied kinds of phase
transitions, magnetization and nonmagnetization in materials. Their pictures
of such boundaries displayed the peculiarly beautiful complexity that was
coming to seem so natural, cauliflower shapes with progressively more
tangled knobs and furrows. As they varied the parameters and increased their
magnification of details, one picture seemed more and more random, until
suddenly, unexpectedly, deep in the heart of a bewildering region, appeared
a familiar oblate form, studded with buds: the Mandelbrot set, every tendril
and every atom in place. It was another signpost of universality. 'Perhaps
we should believe in magic,' they wrote."

!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i
!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!
i!i!                             Nature Leseul
i!i!
i!i! "I wil play you some Mozart, if you like, which wil onlyi!i!
i!i!  make you weep, but my Don Juan, Christine, burns,  i!i!
i!i!  and yet he is not struck by fire from Heaven... You    i!i!
i!i!  see, Christine, there is some music that is so terriblei!i!
i!i!  that it consumes all who approach it."                      i!i!
!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i!i
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Metaphor
Date: 19 Feb 1999 18:58:59 EST

In a message dated 2/19/99 2:54:56 PM Mountain Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

> Damascena,
>
>      No such thing as 'soppy'.  What you say is honest and open and forthright.
>  That is 'good'.
>
>                      Ray

Ray --  Thank you! but -- I'm a writer. I know soppy when I see it, even if I
just wrote it myself. Sometimes it's the only way to say something without
being pretentious. (I leave pretention to the side of me that sometimes says,
"I'm a fractal artist....")

Dama

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From: "Mark Townsend" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint- Metaphor
Date: 20 Feb 1999 11:34:45 +1100

>  Okay, 236. I was wrong; it's magnetization of of materials, not
>liquid/solid transtions. Here's the quote:
>
>  "Fractal basin boundaries addressed deep issues in theoretical physics.
>Phase transitions were matters of thresholds, and [Heinz-Otto] Peitgen and
>[Peter H.] Richter looked at one of the best-studied kinds of phase
>transitions, magnetization and nonmagnetization in materials. Their
pictures
>of such boundaries displayed the peculiarly beautiful complexity that was
>coming to seem so natural, cauliflower shapes with progressively more
>tangled knobs and furrows. As they varied the parameters and increased
their
>magnification of details, one picture seemed more and more random, until
>suddenly, unexpectedly, deep in the heart of a bewildering region, appeared
>a familiar oblate form, studded with buds: the Mandelbrot set, every
tendril
>and every atom in place. It was another signpost of universality. 'Perhaps
>we should believe in magic,' they wrote."


And you can look at Fractint's "Magnet" fractals to see what they were
talking about.

 I saw an extract from BOF on the web recently that sort of made this thing
about finding the Mandelbrot set in fractals generated from other functions
sound rather mundane: "The reason for this is that the family of functions
f(z)=z*z+c captures the typical behavior of many high iterates of functions
near places where the derivative is zero..."

When I looked at the Magnet fractals before writing I noticed that as well
as the Mandelbrot version producing copies of the Mandelbrot set, the Julia
version produced copies of Julia sets--just like the formulas I posted the
other day. I wonder if that holds true for any formula in which the
Mandelbrot form appears.

Mark Townsend
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From: Barry N Merenoff <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) The Price of Fractal Software
Date: 19 Feb 1999 22:01:27 -0500

Tim wrote
> I don't think Fractint will "die"...

Viva Fractint!

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From: Barry N Merenoff <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re: J of M
Date: 19 Feb 1999 22:19:03 -0500

Please resend this PAR in a one-part message. My browser couldn't handle
the three-part version.

Thank you.

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From: Barry N Merenoff <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re: Metaphor
Date: 19 Feb 1999 22:57:41 -0500

True, each color boundary is a natural contour, but only the limiting
contour (iteration infinity) is the true fractal. In terms of actual
graphics, a true RENDERNIG of the fractal could be defined by stipulating=
 a
minimum number of consecutive levels identical at a given zoom level.

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From: Ray Montgomery <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re: Single Layer Syndrome
Date: 19 Feb 1999 20:12:06 -0800


    Michael Traynor writes:

    "...I prefer...some...individual layers more interesting than the full UF
image....."

    I find the same thing.  Upon occasion I will delete a layer completely,
even after working on it for untold minutes, because the single layer is
great - can't, in my estimation, be improved upon with any addition.
    Whether it is the conditioning of Fractint, which I dearly love, or not,
it happens, and it has happened several times.  Occasionally I will end up
with a single layer that has no bearing, relationship or connection to the
original image brought up, that I have to laugh (well, I am mildly amused
by it) realizing that I have brought up perhaps three or four combined
images and end up with this single layer.
    Ah, well!  It is one of the diversions of this process we call 'living'
that occur once in a while.
    I was sort of glad to see that someone else had experienced the same thing.
        Regards            Ray


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From: Barry N Merenoff <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re: Metaphor
Date: 19 Feb 1999 23:06:27 -0500

But what if you could zoom in on the post-processed images? As long as
there is a dense set of points which when approached reveal endless detai=
l,
I would still consider the image a fractal, even if that detail is smooth=
ed
over.

The idea is that the amount of smoothing should be appropriate to the zoo=
m
level. A fractal contour may be smoothed slightly for aesthetic purposes,=

but when magnified the smooth curve should be replaced by a more
complicated smooth curve each time.

(I know, easier said than done...) :)

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From: Barry N Merenoff <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re "Select Video Mode"
Date: 19 Feb 1999 23:10:37 -0500

Please refrain from using profane language. It is not appreciated by the
users of this mailing list, as I'm sure Tim will agree.

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From: Barry N Merenoff <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re: Metaphor
Date: 19 Feb 1999 23:24:14 -0500

What is Linas Vepstas' formula?

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From: Kerry Mitchell <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Metaphor
Date: 19 Feb 1999 21:35:21 -0700 (MST)

It's a way of getting continous tone images from iteration counts.
Basically, as |z| -> infinity, the "+c" can be ignored and |z| will
increase doubly-exponentially with iteration number.  That is, taking the
(appropriately scaled) log(log(|z|)) will give numbers that vary linearly
with iteration number.  In other words, a smooth gradation of color.
Damien and I have incorporated Linas' ideas into some of our coloring
schemes; if no one beats me to it, I can post the exact details.

Kerry

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> What is Linas Vepstas' formula?
>
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From: Kerry Mitchell <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: Metaphor
Date: 19 Feb 1999 21:35:21 -0700 (MST)

It's a way of getting continous tone images from iteration counts.
Basically, as |z| -> infinity, the "+c" can be ignored and |z| will
increase doubly-exponentially with iteration number.  That is, taking the
(appropriately scaled) log(log(|z|)) will give numbers that vary linearly
with iteration number.  In other words, a smooth gradation of color.
Damien and I have incorporated Linas' ideas into some of our coloring
schemes; if no one beats me to it, I can post the exact details.

Kerry

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[e-mail]    http://www.primenet.com/~lkmitch/

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> What is Linas Vepstas' formula?
>
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Subject: Re: (fractint) Re "Select Video Mode"
Date: 19 Feb 1999 23:37:48 -0800

Sorry.

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Please refrain from using profane language. It is not appreciated by the
users of this mailing list, as I'm sure Tim will agree.

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From: Paul Derbyshire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint Thanks (long)
Date: 20 Feb 1999 03:34:35 -0500

At 10:40 PM 2/19/99 +1030, you wrote:
>Having just said the above, Fractint has saved me years of my life too!
After reading some articles
>by Pickover I tried to emulate his images using Basic in a few of its
variations.  I can hear all of
>the REAL programmers out there groaning, but it's all I had and my
programming skills are about on
>par with my maths, so not much point forking out for C++ or whatever.  I
didn't get to his images,
>but I produced fractals.  Firstly black and white only, but later I got to
colour.

Forking what out? There's a great C++ compiler available for free...


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From: Paul Derbyshire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint- Metaphor
Date: 20 Feb 1999 03:45:54 -0500

At 04:53 PM 2/19/99 -0600, you wrote:
>  Okay, 236. I was wrong; it's magnetization of of materials, not
>liquid/solid transtions. Here's the quote:
>
>  "Fractal basin boundaries addressed deep issues in theoretical physics.
>Phase transitions were matters of thresholds, and [Heinz-Otto] Peitgen and
>[Peter H.] Richter looked at one of the best-studied kinds of phase
>transitions, magnetization and nonmagnetization in materials. Their pictures
>of such boundaries displayed the peculiarly beautiful complexity that was
>coming to seem so natural, cauliflower shapes with progressively more
>tangled knobs and furrows. As they varied the parameters and increased their
>magnification of details, one picture seemed more and more random, until
>suddenly, unexpectedly, deep in the heart of a bewildering region, appeared
>a familiar oblate form, studded with buds: the Mandelbrot set, every tendril
>and every atom in place. It was another signpost of universality. 'Perhaps
>we should believe in magic,' they wrote."

BOF is the source of Gleick's reference. It also has actual pictures. The
"magnet" types in Fractint came from those investigations, hence their name.

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-()  <  circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a
   `*'  straight line."    -------------------------------------------------
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From: Paul Derbyshire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint- Metaphor
Date: 20 Feb 1999 04:15:02 -0500

At 11:34 AM 2/20/99 +1100, you wrote:
> I saw an extract from BOF on the web recently that sort of made this thing
>about finding the Mandelbrot set in fractals generated from other functions
>sound rather mundane: "The reason for this is that the family of functions
>f(z)=z*z+c captures the typical behavior of many high iterates of functions
>near places where the derivative is zero..."

I never saw any such phrase inmy copy of BOF.

Anyways, the mini-Mset will generally appear whenever these conditions are
met:
1. The parameter z_0 is chosen where f' is zero.
2. At that location f'' is non-zero.
3. The set { z : |f'(z)| <= 1 } has a connected component containing
   z_0 and containing no other critical points, and is bounded.

If condition 3 is violated a mini Mset appears but may be distorted
and fused to others in a weird way, or even stretched infinitely.

If condition 2 is violated, the Mset is not quadratic, and you see a
degree-n Mset (3 or above) when f', ..., f(n-1) are zero at z_0 and f(n) is
non-zero. If all derivatives are zero at z_0 you get an exponential-family
Mandelbrot. (Note that for e^z, all derivatives tend to zero at -inf, and
the forward image of -inf is 0, so we get an exponential Mset for e^z+c and
z_0 = 0.)

If condition 1 is violated you get a perturbed set that has some M-set
properties, mostly determined by the nature of the critical point closest
to z_0.

>When I looked at the Magnet fractals before writing I noticed that as well
>as the Mandelbrot version producing copies of the Mandelbrot set, the Julia
>version produced copies of Julia sets--just like the formulas I posted the
>other day. I wonder if that holds true for any formula in which the
>Mandelbrot form appears.

Of course... they're part of the same 4 dimensional Mandel-Julia object
that occurs in the z_0xc parameter space near points where:

* f'z(z,c) = 0   (differentiating with respect to z)
* f(z,c) = z
* f''z(z,c) != 0 (for quadratic M/Jul)

and preimages of such points.

--
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-()  <  circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a
   `*'  straight line."    -------------------------------------------------
        -- B. Mandelbrot  |http://surf.to/pgd.net
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From: "J.P. Louvet" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software
Date: 20 Feb 1999 12:36:33 +1

le 14 Feb 99 a 13:50, Tim Wegner ecrivait (Tim Wegner wrote) :

> Where is there a full featured, open source program that is a
> worthy successor to Fractint? There isn't one, as far as I know.
> Actually I am very interested in Xaos, which runs on many
> platforms, and has just been ported to Windows. I may shift my
> efforts to working with Xaos, or merging some of Fractint's features with
> Xaos. Xaos, besides being open source, acknowledges Fractint generously.

I am very in late in this discussion because I have had too much work and
time spent with such fascinating problems as "why does my new computer
with NT does not detect my sound card, and one or two days after, why does
it ignore my 2nd net card when it detect my sound card :-(". Problems
solved now :-)

What do you think, to answer to your question, of Terry W. Gintz's
Dofozon. Sources are available and it has a reasonably good compatibility
with Fractint formula and parameter files.
Look at ftp://ftp-hs.iuta.u-bordeaux.fr/twggfa/dze1171b.zip dze1172.zip
and dzsrc117.zip.
Terry admits that to make his parser faster it might be programmed
in assembler but that he is not a specialist of this language.

Jean-Pierre louvet : [e-mail]
Fractal album :
http://graffiti.cribx1.u-bordeaux.fr/MAPBX/louvet/jpl0.html

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From: "J.P. Louvet" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) New pages about colors in fractals
Date: 20 Feb 1999 12:42:47 +1

Some time ago I sent the following message to the fractal art discussion
list but I have had no comment (comments, good or bad, may help me to
improve these pages).

Beginning of the message :

"I have added to my site a page (for readers who are not specialists)
about fractal colouring. The URLs are

English : http://graffiti.u-bordeaux.fr/MAPBX/louvet/colors.html

French :  : http://graffiti.u-bordeaux.fr/MAPBX/louvet/couleurs.html

This page has links with a page with the texts of the thread about this
topic which was discussed in this list one year ago. The URL of this page
is

http://graffiti.u-bordeaux.fr/MAPBX/louvet/colorsfa.html

I hope that the layout of this page may made it readable in spite of the
great number of messages, replies etc. reproduced in it.

Any comment, suggestion, correction about my page will be welcome. Some of
you, who are theoricians, may help me by looking if there are not heresies
in my text or if it can be completed (or simplified).

Thank you for your attention. And may be this can initiate a new thread
because I think that some of you have new ideas (Earl for example ?)."

End of the message.

Jean-Pierre louvet : [e-mail]
Fractal album :
http://graffiti.cribx1.u-bordeaux.fr/MAPBX/louvet/jpl0.html

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From: Barry N Merenoff <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Re: New Pages About Colors in Fractals
Date: 20 Feb 1999 06:59:37 -0500

Sorry, my browser cannot connect to that site. When the site becomes
available, however, I will be glad to comment on it.

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From: "Mark Townsend" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint- Metaphor
Date: 20 Feb 1999 23:59:23 +1100

I wrote...

>> I saw an extract from BOF on the web recently that sort of made
>> this thing about finding the Mandelbrot set in fractals generated
>>.from other functions sound rather mundane: "The reason for this
>> is that the family of functions f(z)=z*z+c captures the typical behavior
>> of many high iterates of functions near places where the derivative is
>> zero..."

and Paul Derbyshire  wrote...

>I never saw any such phrase in my copy of BOF.

I can only go by my sources: "This page is an extraction of a small part of
Adrien Douady's excellent article Julia sets and the Mandelbrot set in The
beauty of fractals: images of complex dynamical systems by H.-O. Peitgen and
P. H. Richter, Springer-Verlag publ., 1986, pp. 161-173."

The page in question is at:

http://math.binghamton.edu/MATH/topics/mandel/mandel_why.html

>Anyways, the mini-Mset will generally appear whenever these conditions are
met: [snip]

Thanks for the explanation but I have to admit that I didn't understand a
word of it. Actually, that's not true: I understood "Anyways".

Mark Townsend
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From: "J.P. Louvet" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Re: New Pages About Colors in Fractals
Date: 20 Feb 1999 16:00:07 +1

le 20 Feb 99 a 6:59, Barry N Merenoff ecrivait (Barry N Merenoff wrote) :

> Sorry, my browser cannot connect to that site. When the site becomes
> available, however, I will be glad to comment on it.
>

Following a major electric problem in the neighboring of the campus
several services of our network have suffered yesterday. I have a mirror
site at http://www-hs.iuta.u-bordeaux.fr/louvet/
It seems that it works. I hope that all will be OK Monday.

Jean-Pierre louvet : [e-mail]
Fractal album :
http://graffiti.cribx1.u-bordeaux.fr/MAPBX/louvet/jpl0.html

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From: "Dean-Christian Strik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) The Price of Fractal Software
Date: 20 Feb 1999 18:16:46 +0100

Fractint est most, vive UltraFractal!

Er.... sorry ;-)

--

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microwave oven. Real programmers use the heat given off by the CPU. They can
tell what job is running just by listening to the rate of popping.

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Tim wrote
> I don't think Fractint will "die"...

Viva Fractint!

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From: "Morgen H Bell" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint- Metaphor
Date: 20 Feb 1999 16:36:34 -0500

Ken Childress wrote:

I have to admit to being puzzled by this assessment.  What do you mean
by cheating and why would UF be cheating?  As Damien has pointed out,
things such as true color and layering can be done with Fractint, albeit
with more effort maybe.  So, what would make UF cheating when compared
to Fractint?

After another two days of experimenting, I think it's more like driving a
car with an automatic transmission.  I keep kicking the floor looking for
the clutch.

Most, not all certainly, but most of the images that people put on their
web sites are very visually (at least to me) pleasing images.  While
many are not exactly to my personal likes, I can see the effort that was
made to make the images as good as possible.  Are these images a
different class (for lack of a better word) from those that you like to
create?


Yes, a whole new category.  At least the ones in which there are two or more
completely different fractals layered onto each other.

Many of the FotD images, for example, I find are interesting from the
standpoint of the shapes and designs that they create.  However, I don't
find many of them visually pleasing.  That isn't a criticism, it's just
my reaction.

Visually, Ultra Fractal is stunning--it makes beautiful pictures!  But I'm
still new even to Fractint (I've only had my computer since October) so the
possibilities are overwhelming.  Probably, after another week of UF, I'll be
frustrated by Fractint and have to go through a sort of reverse
readjustment.
    Really, I wouldn't want to give up either program.  They complement each
other well.
                                                Morgen




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From: "narada" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Metaphor
Date: 21 Feb 1999 13:02:22 +1100

Thanks Damien, Images the quality of these certainly make me enthused to
explore the posibilities of Ultrafractal further. I might even check out
their list for a while. The two programs do represent such different
qualities in the results they can achieve, and I guess I have become
somewhat conditioned to think in FractInt idealizations.

>The images I have produced with Ultra Fractal have a much wider range of
>coloring algorithms. I cannot emphasize enough, if FractInt is all your
>experience, I can see where you might think that layering means slapping
>any two fractals together. Yes, you can do this with Ultra Fractal, but in
>my opinion the best fractal images do not. Instead, they select from the
>wide variety of coloring algorithms and use them to reinforce elements of
>the fractal structure. I submit for your consideration these images:
>
>    http://www.fractalus.com/lure.jpg
>    http://www.fractalus.com/spade.jpg



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From: Tom Conally <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Another Par
Date: 20 Feb 1999 20:45:35 -0500


Hi all
Another of my old fashioned pars.
Dama, You like boundaries- hope you enjoy this one.

Julia on the web   { ; Thomas G. Conally, 1999
                     ; A Mandelbrot Julia
                     ; colormap by Tom Conally
                     ; SF7
  reset=1960 type=mandel passes=b
  center-mag=-1.76973573913609700/+0.00481838584192349/30426.78
  params=0/0 float=y maxiter=50000 bailoutest=real fillcolor=555
  colors=000Ul4030<16>Dq1Et2Dt2<13>0z0<2>000<4>420030z30<5>z61w71zz0zy01x0\
  2w00v00u05s0<14>Kb10a1M`1<26>k53l43m24n05n15z35n55<13>nX7oZ8nY8<53>DPKCO\
  LCOLCOM<6>CQPDQPFQO<28>x_1z`0y`1w`3v`5<29>0z0Vl4
  }


Tom Conally
In every boomerang there is a perfect throw.
Your life, Grasshopper, is to practice  till you find that throw
and become one with that boomerang!
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From: "narada" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint- Metaphor
Date: 21 Feb 1999 13:36:28 +1100

Thanks for the interesting discusion about the mathematics of the mandel
brot shape. I think it was started by something I said regarding what
particular fractals model in the real world.

Can anyone explain further then: if mandel shapes have something to do with
magnetic fields- what else does this family of shapes model, and how does it
relate to the maths, (which I must admit I try to follow but is somewhat
beyond me- I do glean something from it though :-))? What is the
metaphorical meaning within its particular intriguing and so pleasing form?

I intuit that most simple algorithms that generate amazing patterns are
highly likely to be found to be useful metaphors or models for some 'real'
thing or process. I guess I will take this over to the philofractal list
though for now.

Thanks for the feedback.
Narada


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (fractint) The Sword in the Stone -- a .par file
Date: 21 Feb 1999 00:49:23 EST

Xcalibre           { ; Damascena Korwen
  reset=1960 type=barnsleyj3 passes=2
  center-mag=0.0977517/-0.0586701/0.9861933/1/34.999
  params=-0.3679599499374218/0.167779632721202 float=y maxiter=100
  bailout=8 bailoutest=and inside=bof60
  colors=ZE1UB1C26C26C26C26<3>46K37N38O<7>7GWA3A9KY9LY<3>FT`GVaHXbI_cJad<4\
  >PkgRmhSoiUrjXrf<3>frSirOlrKorGqrDtr9wr5<5>uh365G46K37N<4>5CSnV0<9>eM0dL\
  0bK0<12>L40K60I80000<8>7F27G38I39J4AL4<3>ET6FU7GW7IX7LY7<6>dg9fh9ij9llA<\
  2>upB<9>xwnyxryyvzzzyyzwxy<14>`bn_`nY_mXYmVXl<2>RSjPRiOPf<6>D6IC3EC4H<2>\
  C5OB6RB7TB8WB8YB9`AAc<9>Kmm<5>hu`mwZqxWvzUrxU<4>YqUUoUQmUMkUHiU<3>0bT<4>\
  0UK0SI2PF<3>AA0<2>K60N40Q20U00X40<9>zm0<6>xU0<3>dI1 cyclerange=0/255
  }

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (fractint) Subatomic Dancers?
Date: 21 Feb 1999 02:07:57 EST

Particles          { ; Damascena Korwen
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm
  formulaname=newton_z3_fn function=atanh passes=2
  center-mag=+0.00000000000151996/+0.00000000000009209/2.968797e+016/1/164\
  .999 params=0.0917/0 float=y maxiter=512 inside=bof60 outside=atan
  invert=1.25e-012/0/0 decomp=256 viewwindows=1/1/yes/0/0
  colors=iMCgJE<23>O2O213002Wq0Yn0<10>yLYyI`vGctDfqAjo8ll5jj2fg0ce0`<11>CI\
  0AJ0<2>3O90PC0RE2SH5UK7VN<7>RJj<11>t1Cv09y06y23v50t80<15>HpzFsvCvr<3>2jb\
  0hZ0eW<7>IJ0LH0<5>Z0M`0Q<5>nIlqLosOsuRvuUs<10>WyF<3>Nm0Lj0<7>2OS0LW0I_<5\
  >D0tF0q<14>kg0mj0om3qp7qsBovFmyI<10>QUv<7>86U000<9>000<14>um0<10>jOB
  cyclerange=0/255

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint- Metaphor
Date: 21 Feb 1999 07:55:25 EST

In a message dated 2/20/99 9:22:55 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< I intuit that most simple algorithms that generate amazing patterns are
 highly likely to be found to be useful metaphors or models for some 'real'
 thing or process. I guess I will take this over to the philofractal list
 though for now.
  >>
I've been enjoying your offerings, both visual and philosophical for a few
months now.......wish i had something to offer visually, but alas, i have not
taken the plunge to invest myself in learning how to use fractint.......
however, I have been interested for years in wondering what useful metaphors
fractals and chaos/complexity theory has to offer psychology.

I am a clinical psychologist in private practice, a professor of psychology at
Berklee College of Music in Boston, and a consultant for Dragon Systems, a
voice recognition software company here in Boston.
In psychology there's something called the "repetition compulsion", which
refers to the fact that many of us are compelled to repeat actions over and
over again.  This compulsion shows itself in "addictive" behavior.  Yet,
repetition is not just a problem.  Repetition matters when it comes to
learning new things, when it comes to establishing neural pathways-- actually
it matters in almost every realm of human endeavor or experience.

And so it is, I find myself living with patterns of repetition, whether it be
in the realm of music or in the realm of the study of neural pathways or in
the realm of providing therapy to people with various "compulsive" behaviors.
Not to mention, how I see patterns in my own life.

In any case, if there is a philosophical fractint list, how might I get on it?

Regards,
Stephen Wolf Foster

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From: Xylen <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) philofractal discussions
Date: 21 Feb 1999 08:26:22 -0700

It seems like there are new people on this list that don't know about
another fractal related list---philofractal. Discussion on this list
range from the meaning of free will to debates over science and
religion. The only limiting factor is I ask you to somehow relate your
discussion to fractals. What they mean to you, how you think fractals
and chaos theory affect the universe, or whatever. If you are
interested, drop in for awhile and see what goes on.
**An extra plus to the philofractal list is an expanded essay posting by
Jim Muth in his FOTD's.

Just send the command "subscribe" (without the quotes) to
[e-mail]

I look forward to seeing you.

Xylen
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From: "Leon Duych" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) re: "Select Video Mode"
Date: 22 Feb 1999 10:33:17 -0800

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Hi Sylvie!

I have done as you instructed.
I ran VESA2CFG.EXE and thereby generated two files:
VESA2CFG and QPV.CFG.
You will find both attached to this e-mail.

Thank you very much for helping me!

Leon Duych
[e-mail]


-----Original Message-----
<[e-mail]>


Hi Leon,

>> For hi-res Fractint "Select Video Mode" choices all hell breaks =
loose.
>> Since Number Nine technology-based choices are not represented in the
>> "Select Video Mode" list, I'm wondering if someone out there has
>> knowledge of any compatible setting(s).

  Download the following file from my web site:

   http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Sylvie_Gallet/vesa2cfg.zip

  Run vesa2cfg.exe, email me the file it will create (qpv.cfg) and I'll
write the entries for your Fractint.cfg file.

  Cheers,

        - Sylvie

E-mail:
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Fractint=20
"Select Video Mode" choices all hell breaks loose.<BR>>> =
Since=20
Number Nine technology-based choices are not represented in =
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From: Sylvie Gallet <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) re: "Select Video Mode"
Date: 22 Feb 1999 14:51:16 -0500

Hi Leon,

>> I have done as you instructed. I ran VESA2CFG.EXE and thereby generate=
d
>> two files: VESA2CFG and QPV.CFG. You will find both attached to this
>> e-mail.

  I didn't ask you to post them to the list! ;-)  Check out your private
mail.

>> Thank you very much for helping me!

  You're welcome!

  Cheers,

        - Sylvie

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (fractint) A woven theme
Date: 22 Feb 1999 15:20:44 -0500

Some varied textures.

Bill Decker

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  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=0bill.frm
  formulaname=delt2-ucpop function=asin/atanh passes=1
  center-mag=1.517e-005/-1.79e-006/0.2003831 params=10/-10/20/100
  maxiter=2000 logmode=fly potential=255/200/0 rseed=-2436
  colors=00000D<10>002000000000<29>00k00m01m<29>0ky0mz1mz<30>zzz<46>2zz0zz\
  0yz<45>02z00z00y<47>00E
  }

hot-tower2         { ;  (c) Bill Decker Feb 19, 1999 t=  0:02:30.22
                     ;  on P100 1024x768
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=0bill.frm
  formulaname=delt2-ucpop function=sqr/log passes=1
  center-mag=-1.93875/-2.5072/0.06165639/1/45 params=10/10/10/10
  maxiter=2000 logmode=fly potential=255/200/0 rseed=-2436
  colors=000E00<11>200000000000<29>k00m00m10<29>yk0zm0zm1<30>zzz<46>zz2zz0\
  zy0<45>z20z00y00<46>F00
  }

frm:delt2-UcPop {  ; Bill Decker mod 8-10-98
            ;5-29-98 kathy roth
            ;variant of Morgan Owens Uc03
            x=real(pixel), y=imag(pixel), h=imag(p2)
    t=p1, bailout = real(p2):
    newx = x+h*sin((y) - fn2(3*y))
    newy = y+h*sin((x) - fn2(3*x))
    x=newx, y=newy
    z=x-flip(y)
    x=real(z),y=imag(z)
    ax=4*x-2,ay=4*y-2
    Tx=fn1(ax*(ax*ax+2))
    Ty=fn1(ay*(ay*ay+2))
    x=x+t*Ty,y=y-t*Tx
    z=x-flip(y)
    |z|<=bailout
    }



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From: Mark Christenson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) hi-res prints
Date: 22 Feb 1999 18:22:53 -0800

It has been a while since hi-res prints have been a hot
topic, but I just had an experience I thought I should
relate to the group(s).  The print technology is called
"Metrum", and is photographic system which produces
true color (non-dithered) output at 300 dpi and a maximum
size of about 8x10.375".  I made a print of "Baroque"
 <http://www.hooked.net/fractin3.htm>
at 3200x2400, and was thrilled by the result.  I'm pretty
sure they rescaled it to fit the "x" axis limit (even though
I specifically asked them to truncate rather than muck
with the pixels), because I detect artifacts and the y-axis
is short of 8 inches.  And if it were a production run rather
than a test, I would work with them on color balance and
gamma.  But other than those minor glitches, I am quite
impressed!

You can check out my local provider (less than 10 blocks
away!!!), J.P. Digital Imaging in Mountain View, CA at
<http://www.jplabs.com>.  Cost per print is $12 U.S. for 1-5,
down to $5.50 for 11 or more.  For an extra fee you can get
your prints UV-laminated, either at your printer or elsewhere.

I hope this info is useful to *someone* out there! :o)


Aloha, Bud


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From: Mark Christenson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Speedy Mailer
Date: 22 Feb 1999 18:34:09 -0800

Tim:

Wow!

I always knew your mail server was fast, but I never knew
*how* fast, until tonight.  I got my message back in less than
three minutes thirty seconds (I checked at thirty second
intervals).

Bravo!


Bud


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From: Mark Christenson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) hi-res prints / correction
Date: 22 Feb 1999 21:03:41 -0800

Sorry, I gave the wrong URL for the image's Web page.
It should have been:

>I made a print of "Baroque"
> <http://www.hooked.net/~mchris/fractin3.htm>


Bud


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From: "Wayne Kiely" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) A PAR  & FRM
Date: 23 Feb 1999 19:53:10 +1030

Hi all,

A modified version of the Epsilon Cross escape method.

Apologies if it's been published before.  I don't recall seeing a similar image - but it must have
been done???

wk990216b          { ; Wayne Kiely <[e-mail]>
                     ; Feb 22, 1999
                     ; t=  0:00:30.05 on PII 350 MMX at 1024x768
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=wk.frm formulaname=Epsilon_Rot
  center-mag=-0.5/0/1.0 float=y inside=bof60
  outside=imag
  colors=z00<29>30000000z<30>0000z0<29>030000000<78>zzzzzzyyy<75>000JJfJJf
  }

Epsilon_Rot {;epsiloncross test rotated 45 degrees
    z=c=pixel:
    z=z*z+c
    r=real(z), i=imag(z)
    if ((((r-i)>-0.01) && ((r-i)<0.01)) || (((r+i)>-0.01) && ((r+i)<0.01)))
      z=1E6            ;forces escape
    endif
    |z| < 4
  }



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From: "Andrew Coppin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Website
Date: 23 Feb 1999 13:20:29 GMT

I've just revised my documentation. I've written a (rather long) page
on how the Mandelbrot set works. I think it might even be better (not
*simpler*, *better*) than Fractint's online help for the "mandel"
type. If you want to check it out and email your comments on it
(wether you understand it, wether you think it's too technical,
wether you think it goes too rast, or too slow, etc), the page can be
found at:

  http://www.mk.dmu.ac.uk/~khcm8ac/Full/Frac/Complex.html

You can then email me at:

  [e-mail]

If you really want, remove everythin after and including "Full" in
the above URL to browes my entire web-site. I've got a page on
Complex Number arithmatic (i.e. all the formulas you need), and I've
got a few pages on how to program fractals (not language specific,
but assumes you know how to program in something).

All comments egerly awaited. If you could put "WBFN" as the subject
line (for my mail program's benifit). Thanks!

Nam et ipsa scientia potestus est!
(Sir Francis Bacon)
Andrew Orphi Coppin
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From: Guy Marson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software
Date: 23 Feb 1999 14:12:38 +0100

> I hadn't seen such colors and patterns since the late 60's early
>70's! :-)

Ha, haaa, haaaa!!!  (me too!!)


>I was stunned when I first ran across the works of Bob Carr, Sylvie Gallet,
>Les St.Clair and others on Compuserve.

oh, yeahhhhhhh!!



PS: 3 more .par to send.. again: later, got too moch to do now! So, sorry
for replying that late..

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From: Guy Marson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) The price of fractal software
Date: 23 Feb 1999 14:12:31 +0100

At 22:16 16.02.1999 -0600, you wrote:

>I may even become a decent Windows programmer before I die :-)

I hope you're not dying before Windows ...

  ):<

guy


PS: one more .frm/.par to send .. later!!

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From: Kerry Mitchell <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Gravity formulas and pars
Date: 23 Feb 1999 12:39:27 -0700 (MST)

I was attempting to re-create an image I did several years ago, when
I was in the habit of not keeping parameter files.  I managed to rebuild
the formula, but the exact image is still eluding me.  Until I find it,
I offer these 2, along with their formulas.

The formulas are loosely baseed on a satellite in orbit around a planet
or a star.  Z represents the orbit's radius, and dt2 represents the time
step.  Making z close to 1 and keeping dt2 small will keep the satellite
in "orbit" longer (delaying bailout).  In the "gravity-dt2=pix" formula,
the time step is assigned to the pixel value and the initial z value is
input.  in the "gravity-z=pix" formula, the initial z value is assigned
to the pixel, and dt2 is input.

re-entry { ; copyright Kerry Mitchell 23feb99
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm passes=1 float=y
  formulaname=gravity-dt2=pix center-mag=-0.11394227162006830/\
  +0.11013412406947570/163.3133/1/-172.5 params=1/-0.03 maxiter=1000
  inside=0 periodicity=0 colors=y50<2>y20x00w00<11>`00000<23>0001003\
  00<30>x00z00z00<61>zy2zz3zz3zz4<112>zzz cyclerange=0/255
  }

into-the-abyss { ; copyright Kerry Mitchell 23feb99
  reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=fractint.frm passes=1 float=y
  formulaname=gravity-z=pix center-mag=+0.01027932659932658/+0.\
  10330465015210780/134.0573/1/-17.499/-40.475 params=0.01/0 inside=0
  maxiter=1000 logmap=yes periodicity=0 colors=xsx<54>i1ih0hh0hg0g\
  <61>000000100<60>y99zAAzAAzBB<61>zzzzzzzyz<4>yty cyclerange=0/255
  }

frm:gravity-z=pix { ; Kerry Mitchell 23feb99
        ;
        ; loosely based on gravitational attraction formula
        ;
        ; p1 = "time step", small in magnitude (about .1 or less)
        ;
        z1=1, dt2=p1, z=pixel, bailout=1000:
        z0=z1, z1=z, f=1/z-1/sqr(z)
        z=2*z1-z0+f*dt2, |z| < bailout
        }

frm:gravity-dt2=pix { ; Kerry Mitchell 23feb99
        ;
        ; loosely based on gravitational attraction formula
        ;
        ; set p1 to about 1 in magnitude, e.g, (1.0,0.1)
        ;
        z1=1, z=p1, dt2=pixel, bailout=1000:
        z0=z1, z1=z, f=1/z-1/sqr(z)
        z=2*z1-z0+f*dt2, |z| < bailout
        }

Kerry Mitchell
[e-mail]    http://www.primenet.com/~lkmitch/


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From: "Leon Duych" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) re:Fractal sites "auf deutsch"
Date: 23 Feb 1999 22:24:21 -0800

Can anybody recommend sites in German?

Leon
[e-mail]





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From: "Jon Camp" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) one gravijul par, two images
Date: 23 Feb 1999 23:45:54 -0800

I was hunting around the popular gravijul fractal late last night looking
for a flower to give to my girlfriend when I stummbled upon this one. I
usualy only modify fractals with a paint program once in a blue moon but
this one for some reason just screamed at me to be modified. So I have
included the original par as well as links to the orignal fractal and the
modified fractal.
Tell me what you think!

Thanks,
    Jon Camp
    chaotic n-space network @
    http://www.cnspace.net



Fractint gif: http://www.cnspace.net/ftp_cnspace/FRACT296.GIF
Modified: http://www.cnspace.net/ftp_cnspace/Fract296.jpg



jcamp110 { ; jon camp 1999
           ; chaotic n-space network
           ; http://www.cnspace.net
           ; [e-mail]
reset=1960 type=formula formulafile=*.frm
formulaname=gravijul function=atan/recip/sin
center-mag=-1.7e-006/-0.0124754/0.3001137 params=1/0/0.1/0.1/12/0
maxiter=4096 inside=bof60 outside=atan decomp=256 biomorph=0
colors=000<109>00J00K01K12L<44>bkycmzcmz<84>111000000000<6>001
}


frm: gravijul {; r^(-2) Mark Christenson 1/25/98
; defaults: p1 = (1,0) p2 = (0,0) p3 = (4,0)
z = pixel:
w = fn1(z)
z = fn3(p1/fn2(w*w)) + p2
|z| < p3
;SOURCE: 98msg.frm
}




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From: "Andrew Coppin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Prime Numbers
Date: 25 Feb 1999 16:05:58 GMT

For years Mathematitians have been trying to decypher the pattern of
Prime Numbers. As far as I know, they still haven't managed to do it
yet.

I have a vague idea that this pattern might be fractal (or at lease
self-similar). If it's true, it could certainly explane why no one
has yet solved the puzzle.

The reason for my idea comes from a sieving optimization I came up
with. Start with a list of numbers, then cross off all the even ones.
Now every other number is potentially prime (the odd numbers). Now we
go to remove the multibles of 3, but every other one is already gone.
Still, after removing the multibles of 3, we are left with so-called
"twin Primes", which have the pattern 101000 101000 101000...
Now, we go to remove the multibles of 5, but some of them are already
gone, in the pattern 101000 101000... Self simular? Or just my simple
mind getting confused?

By the way, after removing the multibles of 5, the pattern stands at
100000100010100010100010000010 100000100010100010100010000010

If anyone has a different interpretation, I'd love to hear it!

P. S. Has anyone else heard about the computer scientists reportedly
using Chaos Theroy to create "Chaotic Lasers" that increase to
bandwidth of fiber-optic cables? Far out!

Nam et ipsa scientia potestus est!
(Sir Francis Bacon)
Andrew Orphi Coppin
DMU MK.

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From: "Damien M. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Prime Numbers
Date: 25 Feb 1999 10:16:36 -0600

Andrew,

 - The reason for my idea comes from a sieving optimization I came up
 - with.

(laugh) Congratulations, you've just re-invented the Sieve of Eratosthenes,
a well-known method for isolating prime numbers and a standard computer
benchmark for many years. :-)

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                    \\  http://www.fractalus.com/

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From: "Shauna Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Fractint and ELSA GLoria Synergy card?
Date: 25 Feb 1999 10:49:09 -1000

I got an ELSA GLoria Synergy display adaptor (8MB SGRAM,
hardware 2D and 3D acceleration, video-in/video-out
capability). My desktops (OS/2 and W95) are running
1024x768 true color, the card can go up to 1920x1200x256
colors. But when I run the VESA2CFG utility, the max
resolution it reports is 640x480x256. Trying to select
1024x768x256 gives me the message that this video mode
isn't available.

Anyone else using this card and figured out how to make
it work with Fractint? Thanks ...

Another blast of bits from David
http://www.aloha.net/~shauna/   http://www.hawastsoc.org/
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From: "Damien M. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint and ELSA GLoria Synergy card?
Date: 25 Feb 1999 15:14:34 -0600

David,

 - But when I run the VESA2CFG utility, the max resolution it reports is
 - 640x480x256.

It's entirely possible your card's BIOS doesn't support higher resolutions
in VESA modes. With the decline of DOS, VESA support in video BIOSes is
becoming unimportant...

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                    \\  http://www.fractalus.com/

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From: "Justin Altman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Area of fractals?
Date: 25 Feb 1999 20:17:57 PST

Does anyone know a reliable approximation of the area of the Mandlebrot
set?   How about an exact number, or in terms of constants?
Did you Know?
------If you let the test term for the Mandl. be z there is a polynomial
approximation given by z+z^2+2z^3+5z^4+14z^5+42z^6..., and this is
remarkingly similar to a Taylor/MacLauren Series, so I tried to find a
funtion that would lead to this result.
f(0)=0
f'(0)=1
f"(0)=2
f(3)(0)=12
f(4)(0)=120
.
.
.
f(n)(0)=2^(n-1)* (the product of the first n-2 odds).

this  leads to:
f(0)=0
f'(0)=1, f(n)(0)=(4n-6)f(n-1)(0).

Anyone know where to go from here?
Just wondering.

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From: "Jay Hill" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Area of fractals?
Date: 25 Feb 1999 21:27:40 -0800

You can start your research here...

http://fractal.mta.ca/sci.fractals-faq/

and perhaps end it here ....    :-)

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/3825/Period-Area-16.html

----------
> From: Justin Altman <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: (fractint) Area of fractals?
> Date: Thursday, February 25, 1999 8:17 PM
>
> Does anyone know a reliable approximation of the area of the Mandlebrot
> set?   How about an exact number, or in terms of constants?
> Did you Know?
> ------If you let the test term for the Mandl. be z there is a polynomial
> approximation given by z+z^2+2z^3+5z^4+14z^5+42z^6..., and this is
> remarkingly similar to a Taylor/MacLauren Series, so I tried to find a
> funtion that would lead to this result.
> f(0)=0
> f'(0)=1
> f"(0)=2
> f(3)(0)=12
> f(4)(0)=120
> .
> .
> .
> f(n)(0)=2^(n-1)* (the product of the first n-2 odds).
>
> this  leads to:
> f(0)=0
> f'(0)=1, f(n)(0)=(4n-6)f(n-1)(0).
>
> Anyone know where to go from here?
> Just wondering.
>
> Justin Altman


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From: "Shauna Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint and ELSA GLoria Synergy card?
Date: 26 Feb 1999 15:26:20 -1000

On 25 Feb 99 at 15:14, Damien M. Jones wrote:

>  - But when I run the VESA2CFG utility, the max
>  resolution it reports is - 640x480x256.
>
> It's entirely possible your card's BIOS doesn't support
> higher resolutions in VESA modes. With the decline of
> DOS, VESA support in video BIOSes is becoming
> unimportant...

Thanks. Sounds like I need to check the ELSA support
site and see what VESA capabilities it has. The only
mention of it in the manual is in connection with
supporting DDC1 and DDC2 for communicating with monitors.

For now, I guess I explore at 640x480, then render big
images to disk/video (goes very fast when you tell the
DOS session that it has a huge amount of extended memory
- able to do that under OS/2, don't know about W95).

Another blast of bits from David
http://www.aloha.net/~shauna/   http://www.hawastsoc.org/
For the best Hawaii & Pacific Basin surf forecast: http://www.surfreporthawaii.com

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From: "Damien M. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint and ELSA GLoria Synergy card?
Date: 26 Feb 1999 19:31:05 -0600

David,

 - For now, I guess I explore at 640x480, then render big
 - images to disk/video (goes very fast when you tell the
 - DOS session that it has a huge amount of extended memory
 - - able to do that under OS/2, don't know about W95).

Yes, you can do it under Win95 too.

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                    \\  http://www.fractalus.com/

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From: Paul Derbyshire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Area of fractals?
Date: 27 Feb 1999 05:43:37 -0500

At 08:17 PM 2/25/99 PST, you wrote:
>this  leads to:
>f(0)=0
>f'(0)=1, f(n)(0)=(4n-6)f(n-1)(0).
>
>Anyone know where to go from here?

Nowhere. You'll never find a function with these derivatives, because if
you did, you'd have found a function whose Taylor series about 0 has a zone
of convergence shaped rather differently than a circle, which can't happen
according to a theorem in calculus.

--
   .*.  "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not
-()  <  circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a
   `*'  straight line."    -------------------------------------------------
        -- B. Mandelbrot  |http://surf.to/pgd.net
_____________________ ____|________     Paul Derbyshire     [e-mail]
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From: "Shauna Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (fractint) Fractint and ELSA GLoria Synergy card?
Date: 27 Feb 1999 11:51:34 -1000

On 26 Feb 99 at 19:31, Damien M. Jones wrote:

>  - For now, I guess I explore at 640x480, then render
>  big - images to disk/video (goes very fast when you
>  tell the - DOS session that it has a huge amount of
>  extended memory - - able to do that under OS/2, don't
>  know about W95).
>
> Yes, you can do it under Win95 too.

Guess I'll have to try it out. Under our old Diamond
card, we couldn't run Fractint under W95.

Another blast of bits from David
http://www.aloha.net/~shauna/   http://www.hawastsoc.org/
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How can you tell a politician's been in the room? You can feel the hot air. (D.Jones)



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From: Gedeon Peteri <[e-mail]>
Subject: (fractint) Chebyshev page update
Date: 01 Mar 1999 00:38:37 -0500

I replaced all images on my Chebyshev Fractals -- Page 1 with new ones.
I hope you enjoy them.

Gedeon
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