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exotica-digest         Tuesday, March 27 2001         Volume 02 : Number 940



In This Digest:

(exotica) The Naked & the Dead
(exotica) the Shaggs
Re: (exotica) electronic sounds
Re: (exotica) Revivals and Film Music
Re: (exotica) Tiny Tim tv
(exotica) Re: (Exotica) Guy Maddin
(exotica) who's the Straw man? (with apologies to Will)
(exotica) Crouching Tiger & HK
(exotica) a question for the scanning experts
(exotica) re:CTHD
Re: (exotica) Revivals and Film Music
Re: (exotica) electronic sounds
Re: (exotica) shaggs chronology
FW: (exotica) paul mauriat
(exotica) Library LPs
Re: (exotica) electronic sounds
RE: (exotica) electronic sounds
Re: (exotica) Mr. Warhol
Re: (exotica) Re: (Exotica) Guy Maddin
Re: (exotica) Alan, speak out about Guy Maddin!
Re: (exotica) Library LPs
(exotica) Canada
Re: (exotica) Canada,+ Shatner, Jimmy Namaro
Re: (exotica) electronic sounds
Re: (exotica) a question for the scanning experts
Re: (exotica) Canada,+ Shatner, Jimmy Namaro

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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 15:35:17 -0800 (PST)
From: tikiman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) The Naked & the Dead

- --- alan  zweig <[e-mail]> wrote:
> If the artists can't appear on the Grammies wearing
> next to nothing, it's not going to take off.
> Sometimes there are little temprorary trends.
> Lounge was one of them. It's over.  Some of us came
>here via the lounge trend but that's not why we
stayed.
> Forget about the lounge revival.

say it isn't so, Alan! guess we'll have to abandon
plans for our 2nd release, "South of the Boudoir"...
unless we can find those misplaced penis gourds we
used to perform in. but seriously folks, it's not
about irony, nostalgia, or campiness. for us, it's
about love of genre and revival of a music that's
evocative and complex... and bringing it forth in a
new context.

best,
Fluid Floyd
Taboo Records

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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 16:20:09 -0800
From: "F. Cobalt" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) the Shaggs

>"F. Cobalt" schrieb:
>
>To have visions *is* a talent, to be able to play an
>instrument is only a talent, if there is a vision involved with it.
>Otherwise the player has just developed the skill to be come a machine. I
>think this is basically why Steve's argumentation had to fail.

I don't exactly think that having a vision equals having a talent. I do think that many have visions without the skills to execute their ideas as precisely as they can conceive them. And I also think that a lot of people have talent or skills, but no visions or ideas to execute with that talent. Like a lot of self-taught artists, who are perhaps assaulted with hallucinations and try to paint or draw what they see. They might come up with some strange art done in crayons that is interesting despite lack of artistic skill. And certainly there are many with perhaps musical skills and training who have no personal ideas to execute -- perhaps they end up becoming producers or playing in a symphony.

The Shaggs had some training, they wrote some unusual but intriguing song lyrics, their father put them into a studio, they did what they could. But I don't think it would have endured if it wasn't likeable, or if the punk movement or No Wave movement hadn't happened, or if there hadn't been something else to compare it to for a reference point. There are plenty of other artists out there who have made not so good music but had these fascinating ideas to explore. The Shaggs are good for a laugh, or because they make your brain stop working for a few minutes. They provide a reference point toward which to try to understand personal values and opinions about art. Like, what is good music as opposed to bad music? Those things some of us have been trying to come to terms with on this list. But who wants to talk about the Kids from Widney High? No one, cause it's not nice to make fun of kids with disabilities.

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Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 03:30:28 +0200
From: edjunkita <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) electronic sounds

tell that to Moritz...

Magnus Sandberg wrote:

> citerar edjunkita <[e-mail]>:
>
> >
> > That would be something for you
> > humans, huh? but you never get it!"
>
> You make everything sound so simple.



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Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 03:54:14 +0200
From: edjunkita <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Revivals and Film Music

I think that the soundtrack is MORE than half of the truth of a film.
Watch a Hitchcock film with the sound off. Then listen to the film without
watching it. The sound is what gives the film it's atmosphere and emotion.
The picture gives the atmosphere a context and functions to distract and hypnotise the audience, letting the soundtrack work on a more unconscioius
level.

Moritz R wrote:

> Speaking of film music: It's still a shame how film music and sound engeneering is underestimated. You could clearly see this again when you watched a bit of the academy award show. For me the soundtrack is really half of the truth of a film and the artists who work on it deserve the same attention as the rest.



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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 19:15:55 -0600
From: Matt Marchese <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Tiny Tim tv

"m.ace" wrote:

> It was classic E! cheese, straight from the template. They even had a "walking
> expert" shot, as explained so well by Alan last week -- though in a daring
> variation, they had their expert walking on an urban sidewalk.

Yes, E! never fails to go for the sleaze. Guess I'll have to wait for someone to
film his biopic for the big screen. Let's hope Jim Carrey's not interested. I
missed Alan's explanation, unfortunately, but my favorite walking expert shot is
from The Rutles when Eric Idle starts of at a leisurely pace and then has to keep
picking up speed to keep up with the camera until he's in a flat-out run.

> but how about some of those ex-managers?!

That cousin of his they interviewed definitely wins the Cracked Mirror Award.
Yikes!

So when is Warner Brothers going to re-release "God Bless Tiny Tim" here in the
US?

- --
Matt Marchese
"I've been havin' this nightmare.......a real swinger of a
nightmare, too." -Frank Sinatra (The Manchurian Candidate)
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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 21:56:15 -0500
From: "Brian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re: (Exotica) Guy Maddin

Magnus wrote:
> You mentioned the filmmaker Guy Maddin some days ago, a friend of
> yours if I understanded correctly. Did you mention the word "genius" as
> well...? I keep getting recommendations to buy his films from
> Amazon.com, and I recently read a couple of positive reviews of 'Tales
> from the Gimli Hospital' and 'Careful' which are released on DVD.
Ah, you didn't get the whole story here.  Cheryl's youngest sister has a
part in Careful (chained to a rock and wearing a leopard skin...) We were
lucky enough to get to visit the set during filming, in an old abandoned
grain silo in the darkest part of a very cold Winnipeg winter. They used
large amounts of dried potato flakes to make snow. Pretty amazing stuff! I
don't know who connected him with the Brothers Quay but its a good
comparison along with maybe Lars Von Trier.

Anyway Guy is considered a filmmaker's filmmaker, as in he makes the kind of
films that he wants.  It's made him a quasi cult figure all over the world
but you could never meet a nicer or more more unassuming person.  His
influences are German expressionist films of the early 20th century and he
only listens to music if it is on a 78... the source of all the music in his
films. They're not light, or in any way upbeat, but Magnus you live in
Sweden so you should be used to this in films no?

> Canadian cinema to me is Cronenberg, I guess you're not surprised that
> I like his films. A friend of mine, who has seen a lot more films than
> I tells me canadian films are always partly claustrophobic, in the way
> that much of the action take place indoors. Very few moments of fresh
> air and blue healthy sky.
Its the combination of low budgets and long winters I'm afraid. The Quebec
films are generally much different than those coming out of English Canada
but are in some ways they can be even more introspective.  I should add I'm
not a particular fan of Cronenberg except for the early horrror films he
made in these great 60's apartment towers in Montreal.  But to give Canadian
films another, more refreshing perspective,  look for the recent DVD two-fer
release of the 60's Quebec soft porn features "Valerie" and "L'Initiation".
Montreal in the 60's was a hot spot of flower power culture, so its a visual
treat and lots of good now sounds. The DVD has full French and English
dubbed versions of both films.  It's released by Lions Gate Films. Worth it
for the music and vintage Montreal footage alone!

> As a nature-lover (as we swedes mostly are), I find my friends
> observation rather odd, considering our countries similar looks, lots
> of huge forests, wildlife, mountains etc
One thing about Canada is that the huge majority of its population lives in
a very few concentrated areas, mostly within 100km of the US border in three
major metropolitan agglomerations,  and that is where most of the films,
especially those with larger budgets are made, so it isn't necessarily that
representative of the country at large.

Brian



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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:37:14 -0500
From: alan  zweig <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) who's the Straw man? (with apologies to Will)

At 03:13 PM 3/26/01 -0800, bigshot wrote:
>
>Argue what I ACTUALY said.

You said so many things.  It's hard to keep them straight.
You can't really blame someone for a slight mischaracterization here and
there.
For instance, you said that the editing process is no more significant to
the film than a frame is to a painting.
Would it be putting words in your mouth if I extapolated that you believe
that the person at the art gallery who chooses the frame is as much an
artist as a film editor?
Would I be creating a straw man?
I want to make sure so that when I turn to the person who said that and say
"That's stupid!", I'll know I have the right person.

you continue:
>     Great music and great art is a combination of creative
>     vision and real skills.
>     Skill without vision is empty.
>     Vision without skill in execution is a waste of a good idea.

You're hardly one to talk when it comes to the use of rhetorical devices.
You're a master of the circular argument.
This is your argument in a nutshell:
1) Great music can only be made by great musicians.
2) People who make sample-based music are not great musicians.
3)Therefore sample-based music cannot be great.

Some of us here enjoy sample-based musict?  How are we supposed to respond
to your pronouncements?
You told me that I've been listening to crap all my life?
Is that because I didn't hold my music up to your famous standards?

How would you like me to think of music in the future now that you've set
me straight?  Maybe it should go like this:

"Is this an example of vision but no execution?  No?  Is this an example of
execution but no vision? No?  Well it must be one of those things because
Stephen says it's bad".

>     Artists and musicians today may have great ideas, but
>     they don't have anywhere near the experience and chops
>     of artists and musicians of the past.

What period exactly are you speaking of when you say "The Past"?  Do you
mean yesterday? The day before yesterday?  The eighties?  The sixties?
Can you tell us what happened that made today's musicians have less chops
and experience than past musicians?

I don't need to set up a straw man when someone's making unsupportable
blanket statements like yours.  No straw man could say anything more
useless than:
"The reason why music in the past was better than music now is because
musicians in the past were better than musicians now".

you continue:

> They use technology   and "found art" theories as a crutch to avoid
developing
>     real skills. They use talk to justify their laziness
>     instead of proving their ideas in practice.

Those are empty words from someone who doesn't like a certain kind of music
and needs to pretend he actually has a reason.
There's no difference between you and some fogie who criticizes Picasso for
not being able to draw well.

"You don't have the skill to draw a bowl of fruit so it will look like a
bowl of fruit.  So you hide your lack of skill behind this new art movement
you've made up".

How could anyone argue with that person?

>Before you start claiming victory and slapping yourself on the
>back in congratulation, you might want to acknowledge what I
>actually said instead of putting words in my mouth.

In the history of this list, no one has so badly wanted to win an argument
as YOU.

No one has brought out so much argument of that type as your posts.

We're pretty good at agreeing to disagree here.  I've told people I don't
like the music they like.  But except for one unfortunate slip when I was a
little too enthusiastic in my disdain for Edmondo Ros, I've never told
anyone they were wrong for liking what they liked.
You go even further than that.  You try to tell them WHY they're wrong.
It's not working.

AZ




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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 19:53:50 -0800
From: "jim gerwitz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Crouching Tiger & HK

Various replies to several posts:
1. Coco Lee is a recording star in Asia and records for Sony. Sony Pictures
Classics is a tentacle of the Sony giant squid and distributed CTHD in the
US. Stick a song at the end of a movie and you have a single, hopefully a
crossover hit while Celine and Shania have babies and Mariah/Whitney/J-Lo
hang with the bad boys. At least the Bond movies put the songs with the main
titles. The rest of the score is good but works best with the movie. The
cello solos by YoYo Ma are achingly beautiful, setting the mood for a
beautiful film. Glad to see Peter Pau win the Oscar for cinematography,
after his excellent work on Bride of Chucky(great DVD), Bride With White
Hair, Eagle Shooting Heroes and Naked Killer.

2. Can't bring myself to read all of Mondo Macabro because there is too much
stuff I'll want to see from Indonesia and Turkey and god knows where. The
section on HK films is a decent overview and covers the highlights.
Generally you can't go wrong with a film produced or directed or  acted in
by Tsui Hark, who brought a special brand of wacky magic to HK. I agree with
all of Charles' previous TH recommendations including Peking Opera Blues,
Chinese Ghost Story etc. but must add the early swordplay fantasy
Zu:Warriors of the Magic Mountain (and a sequel is in the works!). Wong
Kar-Wai is an acquired taste but I do want to see In the Mood for Love.
Here's my short list of HK must-sees for those who want to take a walk on
the wild side. The historical or period movies usually have very nice
traditional music, exotic to my western ears.

Full Contact: Heroic Bloodshed genre in which Chow Yun-Fat shoots bullets,
bullets and more bullets, with the great Simon Yam as the effete villain.
Fong Sai Yuk 1:  Jet Li (and his mom) kick ass and everything else in a
funny period martial arts movie with amazing wire work.
Naked Killer: High fashion lesbian hit ladies, with chipmunk-faced HK
goddess Chingmy Yau.
Sex & Zen: Hysterical historical sex comedy. Go read a review somewhere.
Erotic Ghost Story: Sexy and elegant, fine music. As I posted last year,
this is in the genre I call "Lutes, Flutes and Birthday Suits."
Royal Tramp: Superstar smart-aleck comedian Stephen Chow in a historical
martial arts comedy with especially raunchy humor.
And many, many more.........

Recommended book - Sex and Zen and A Bullet In the Head by Stefan Hammond
Best review site: http://brns.com/
DVD reference:      www.asiandvdguide.com
HK store    www.dddhouse.com

I'm seeing more and more Region 1 DVD releases with both an english dub and
the original cantonese tracks with subtitles.
Wing chun, Heroic Trio, etc.

Jb



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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 20:31:03 -0800
From: "basic hip" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) a question for the scanning experts

Hey gang -

I've got this occasional scanning problem that pops up, maybe someone could
come to my rescue.

I don't think it's a moire pattern - but maybe it is.  It looks like
stripes.  I've tried scanning with a descreen filter, but have had no luck
getting rid.

The only thing that sometimes works is rotating the LP slightly (rather than
keeping it square on the glass).  But its a pain when it comes to stitching.

Here is a perfect example of the flaw:

http://www.basichip.com/covers/female_animal.jpg

By this way, know this one?  Scored by Clay Pitts. Angelique (Arlene Tiger)
wishes to spend her life in bed fulfilling her most intimate erotic
fantasies with her pussycat. She leaves her furry feline friend to live with
a rich Count. She quickly rises from maid to mistress, satisfying the
diverse sexual appetites of her employer and his playboy son. Included are a
lesbian love session and her seduction of the Count's homosexual stable boy,
who often prefers horses to men. After several torrid erotic affairs, she
plans to return to her first love, the cat.

As is often the case with OSTs, only a couple of standout tracks.

Anyway, if someone could offer a suggestion as to how to "destripe", it
would be most appreciated!



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Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:24:55 +0800
From: "William" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) re:CTHD

>The song at the end...unfortunately one of those Hollywood things.  I
>wonder if all other genre films do the same or if CTHD was designed to fit
>the Hollywood mold?

      is this really a hollywood thing? a good number of hk action movies
come with some song at the end over the credits often sung by the star(i.e.
jackie chan, andy lau...). the song seemed more or less typical coco li to
me. she is a HUGE star in asia for those that don't know. but i still find
her boring. as for the ost i have heard that the asian version of the ost is
different from the western one. but i don't know how. if it is just
packaging or if songs are missing. sort of like the western version of the
in the mood for love ost which is missing some tracks. i don't have the CTHD
ost so i can't compare notes.


                           william in taipei.





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Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 10:14:30 +0200
From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Revivals and Film Music

edjunkita schrieb:

> I think that the soundtrack is MORE than half of the truth of a film.
> Watch a Hitchcock film with the sound off. Then listen to the film without
> watching it. The sound is what gives the film it's atmosphere and emotion.

Exactly! I'm so glad that someone else sees it that way.

Mo

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Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 10:15:09 +0200
From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) electronic sounds

edjunkita schrieb:

> "I am a komputer
> I am always happy...

Where did you find this? I wasn't aware this was ever translated into English...


Magnus Sandberg wrote:

>My paranoia is that it feels like we are leaving
> something I consider "essential" to man, nature, into a cyberworld
> without any real values. In my little world digital technology and plastic
> just is not nature

I think everybody with a heart knows this feeling. I do think though, it is in fact paranoia. It's an illusion that the world was better in the past. It depends on what you focus your attention on. If you'd really had lived in the 50s, in that glorious time when your favorite music was played, you'd seen other things, that you would not have liked. Most people, who were our age in the 50s, tell us, that the 50s were an awful time, full of cold war, sexual repression, hunger in the 3rd world, ethnic intolerance... What you see of it today, are the few pearls of human creativity that always helped to make the planet a better place. You are one of these creative people and you can be happy about it without any feeling of guilt.

Mo
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Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 10:15:17 +0200
From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) shaggs chronology

"m.ace" schrieb:

> "Philosophy Of The World" was recorded & released in 1969. Reissued by NRBQ
> in 1980....
> (...)

thanks Mike for the details. memory fades and fiction becomes fact eventually.

Mo
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Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 10:41:27 +0100
From: Charles Moseley <[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: (exotica) paul mauriat

What is wrong with this list??!? About every second email I send =
doesn't
arrive. And what's this about Microsoft 'filtering' emails - a joke =
only I
hope.

"But I was in Mr Bongo on Friday [no joy on
the Nico Gomez mind : ( ] and they had a couple of paul Mauriat LP's =
for
sixty UKPounds each.  I double checked.  Thats what about 90 US Dollars =
at
the moment.
I haven't heard anything by him even remotely 60 quid good."


They often do that in Mr Bongo. 50p records on the wall for =
=A330-=A3100 as a
joke. Did you ask about them? They normally get really intense about
non-existent breaks and the like. Last one I saw was a Percy Faith LP =
for
=A355.

Maybe the net is the place for Nico Gomez.



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Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:06:27 +0100
From: Charles Moseley <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Library LPs

I've just listed a load of library records on Ebay for those that care.

Please don't all have a go at me for advertising my wares on this list. In
fact, please don't bid on any of the records - they are all overpriced and I
wouldn't want to take your money.

I thought you might be interested, thats all. :-)

And typically, I've checked out Ebay for some of things I'm trying to flog
off and there's loads of underpriced records and bargains on there at the
moment. I thought Ebay prices were supposed to be high.

My hardly played copy of Jean Jacques Perrey's Mig Mag Moog MP2000 library
LP is going. I never listen to it, it's worth quite a bit and I can think of
better things to do with the money. I'm not even sure why I was so intent of
getting it in the first place. Maybe someone else will appreciate its
electronic noodling more than me.

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Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:16:47 +0200 (CEST)
From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) electronic sounds

citerar Moritz R <[e-mail]>:

> I think everybody with a heart knows this feeling. I do think though,
it is
> in fact paranoia. It's an illusion that the world was better in the
past.
> It depends on what you focus your attention on. If you'd really had
lived
> in the 50s, in that glorious time when your favorite music was played,
> you'd seen other things, that you would not have liked. Most people,
who
> were our age in the 50s, tell us, that the 50s were an awful time,
full of
> cold war, sexual repression, hunger in the 3rd world, ethnic
intolerance...
> What you see of it today, are the few pearls of human creativity that
> always helped to make the planet a better place. You are one of these
> creative people and you can be happy about it without any feeling of
guilt.


It would be so much better if I actually could help to make this world
better, like you do Moritz. but in my work anger desperation hate and
violence has been the key ingridience. And one part of me is ashamed
over this. There is a singer, who came forward during the punk years
here in Sweden, a very sad guy who found something of a home in the
dark, he later made horror influenced music, and used a lot of "bad"
drugs, anyway now he sings childrensongs and old swedish humouros
songs, classics, and he says that it was just another way of expressing
himself. He did not think he could do it, but when he tried, nice
things came out. He has suffered a lot in his life, but he managed to
change something that was just heading down in a darkness. I like this
guy, and I want to try too.

I love monsters but I fight them in my dreams
I think god has these barriers put up to scare us, and he really has
managed to scare me. I have felt my soul nearly disappear into a song,
it was digital music. In a way we merged, but I dont feel happy about
it, I feel it just like I have been raped. I have seen these little
aliens pop up before my eyes, and I dont like them. I like to fight
them. No emotion, no pain: Our superior in every way.

Lets call it a paranoia, since I was sick I am in total control of my
self, a new experience for me, I am used to feel depressed, now that I
am not I am depressed that I am not depressed. I have no particular
reason, maybe everything is good. I scream sometimes because noone
understands me, I talk with my therapist but it doesnt help. I should
probably scream in another forum, but this is an "exotica" list with
intelligent, kind people. You should know my mood swings by now, when
he is sad, dont listen, just erase :)

Magnus

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Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:45:12 +0100
From: Charles Moseley <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) electronic sounds

Ummmmmm, What?

Is everybody alright? Is there something in the water?


My mate's 45 has just been re-released on red vinyl. One side is Kraftwerk's
Numbers with Whitney Houston's I Wanna Dance With Somebody accapella over
the top. The other side is the Human League's Being Boiled with TLC's No
Scrubs accapella over the top.

The fantastic cover features Kraftwerk's Man Machine cover with Whitney's
head superimposed on all four members of Kraftwerk.

The record got single of the week in NME by a reviewer who went on about the
meeting of proto-electronic rhythms and sugary bland pop music. Rough Trade
were the only suppliers. 600 sold so far and now 300 more are in existence.

Rock on!

Charles Moseley
Editor - C3 Magazine
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Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:49:21 +0200
From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Mr. Warhol

robert blahut schrieb:

> >
> >
> >If you want to learn how Warhol really came up with his pop art
> >concept, read his own words in his book (I forgot the title, was it
> >"Pop" or "Pop Art"?),
>
> i think the title is "popism"

yeah, right, "Popism", that what it's called.

Mo
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Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:03:32 +0200 (CEST)
From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: (Exotica) Guy Maddin

citerar Brian <[e-mail]>:

His
> influences are German expressionist films of the early 20th century
and he
> only listens to music if it is on a 78... the source of all the music
in
> his
> films. They're not light, or in any way upbeat, but Magnus you live in
> Sweden so you should be used to this in films no?

Off course, sounds temptating, is it Careful or Gimli one should try
out first.

Thanks for the little lecture on Canadian film!
Magnus


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Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:06:43 +0200 (CEST)
From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Alan, speak out about Guy Maddin!

citerar cheryl <[e-mail]>:

> I saw "Institute Benjamenta" last week - and it really reminded me of
Guy
> Maddin's films.  Not the same storylines at all, but the visuals had
> definite similarities (the Brothers Quay know Guy Maddin, which is no
> surprise)  If you liked it visually, you'll love Guy's stuff.
>

I thought that Maddin was much more lowbudget, but off course that
doesnt mean you cant create magic.



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Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 05:33:41 -0800
From: "basic hip" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Library LPs

Charles wrote:

>there's loads of underpriced records and bargains on there at the
> moment. I thought Ebay prices were supposed to be high.

That's just an old wives tale!  The part about prices being high.  The loads
of bargins is quite true.

I don't know why I continue to encourage  those who stand firm in their
dislike of ebay to come around, the less competition, the better!

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Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 08:30:07 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) Canada

> One thing about Canada

I want to recommend a book I picked up cheaply a few months back.  I haven't
read it yet, but I have no doubts it will be an entertaining and wothwhile read.

Its called 'Mondo Canuck - a Canadian Pop Culture Odyssey' written by Geoff
Pevere and Greig Dymond (1996 Prentice Hall)

Among the articles inside....
- - Five Totally Weird Cover Versions of Paul Anka's "My Way"
- - The Nine Ickiest Moments from David Cronenburg's Movies
- - Six Reasons Why the Guess Who was the Ultimate Canadian Band
- - Dan Hill's Hit From Hell (about the late 70's song 'Sometimes When We Touch")
- - The Worst Canadian Singles of All Time
- - Punk Rock Songs about Hockey
- - The Down-Home Tradition That will not Die (about maritime jubilee and country
tv shows)
- - Canadian Easy Listening (with short write-ups about Guy Lombardo, Percy Faith,
Hagood Hardy, Frank Mills, David Foster, and Celine Dion)
- - The Evolution of Canadian Pop
- - Shatner Sings
- - Stompin' Tom Connors (with a list of essential Stompin' Tom Tunes)

There's a quote from Gordon Lightfoot next to an article about him ....
 "To hear 'Early Morning Rain' done with flugelhorns kind of makes me feel
good.  I actually heard that in an elevator once and it was good.  I was proud"

also articles on Rush, Anne Murray, SCTV, Jim  Carrey, the Dionne Quints. Expo
67, Canadian Game Shows, Bachman Turner Overdrive, Kids in the Hall, Marshall
McLuhan, Anne Murray, Leslie Nielsen, the RCMP, Rush, a few famous others, and
quite a few articles on Canadian film.

A blurb from the back cover ..... "The first work to take Canadian culture
seriously enough to trash some national treasures and dig the treasures out of
the nation's trash, Mondo Canuck marks Canada's pop cultural coming of age."

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Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:47:35 +0200 (CEST)
From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Canada,+ Shatner, Jimmy Namaro

Canada also had a terrific exotica group, Jimmy Namaro
Trio, "Driftwood" LP Dot. Asian and south sea inflenced exotica. Very
nice.

Is Shatner a canadian? There will be a DVD relase of the movie INCUBUS
(1965) where he plays the lead. It must be the only horror movie in
esperanto.

Here is a review from IMDB:

This gloriously weird film, long thought lost, recently resurfaced when
a single print (in excellent condition) was discovered in the
Cinematheque Francaise in Paris. It has proved well worth the wait.
Want to see a pre-Trek William Shatner woo a sexy demoness entirely in
Esperanto? Well here's your chance (just don't use this film as a guide
to the language -- the actors' Esperanto pronunciation is pretty
awful). The cinematography (by Academy Award winner Conrad Hall) is top-
notch and makes this film a must-see for any film buff, psychotronic or
otherwise.

I look forward to this film! Anyone seen it?

Magnus


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Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:57:26 +0200
From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) electronic sounds

Magnus Sandberg schrieb:

> in my work anger desperation hate and violence has been the key ingridience. And one part of me is ashamed over this.

But that's alright, Magnus! The dark things are also important and helpful for others. Burn your feelings of guilt! Put ice cubes into the shirt of shame!

Mo
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Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 10:21:39 -0500
From: "m.ace" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) a question for the scanning experts

>I've got this occasional scanning problem that pops up, maybe someone could
>come to my rescue.
>
>I don't think it's a moire pattern - but maybe it is.  It looks like
>stripes.  I've tried scanning with a descreen filter, but have had no luck
>getting rid.

I've run into that. A friend who knows "old school" printing suggested that
the source material used the duo-tone dot pattern. You might be able to
find a specific filter for duo-tone, but I gave up, myself. Other than
finding a special filter, you might want to try scanning at different dpi
settings and see if any of them make an improvement. It's a pretty nasty
problem.


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Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 10:54:41 -0500
From: alan  zweig <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Canada,+ Shatner, Jimmy Namaro

At 03:47 PM 3/27/01 +0200, Magnus Sandberg wrote:

>Canada also had a terrific exotica group, Jimmy Namaro
>Trio, "Driftwood" LP Dot. Asian and south sea inflenced exotica. Very
>nice.

Jimmy Namaro was a guy who played around town almost all my life.  Maybe
still does. He's one of a handful of guys who did everything.  All the
sessions.  All the TV studio gigs.  And the jazz gigs too.  Moe Koffman,
recently mentioned here, was part of the same "mafia".  And they all made
records too.  Most of them were released on this label CTL which wasn't
really a label, I don't think.  CTL stands for Canadian Talent Library and
I always got the feeling that these records were more a service for radio
stations than really for the public consumption.
I have a bunch of easy listening and Now Sound records but I don't think I
have one that qualifies as exotica.  Unfortunately after Hagood Hardy quit
Martin Denny (I'm not dreaming that right?) he abandoned exotica for
something a bit more middle-of-the-road.
I still hold out hope for great Canadian exotica records.  When I was a
kid, there was a restaurant here called "The Ports of Call" which had all
these exotic-themed restaurants under one roof.  I'm sure there's an
exotica record out there somewhere "Live from the Ports of Call".

As far as Mondo Canuck goes, one of the writers of that is actually in my
film.

With all this stuff coming up, it seemsl like maybe I've been holding out
on you.

On second thought, I don't think so.  There are some records here and there
that some of you would like.  Jury Krytiuk's record of Bacharach covers
comes to mind.  It's not nearly as good as the great Bacharach baroque
record but it's my second favorite all Bacharach record.
I try to resist national pride but of course there's interesting stuff up
here and by and large, our neighbours to the south don't have a clue about
any of it.
There's a show here where they do a segment called "Talking to Americans"
and they do these "man-on-the-street" interviews all over the States where
the guy asks Americans questions like "Did you hear that in Canada, our
Prime Minister Tim Horton has made automatic transmission legal for cars?"
and the reaction is "Way to go Canada!"  (Tim Horton was a hockey player
who is now mostly known for a chain of donut shops.)  When he interviewed
candidate George Bush, he referred to our Prime Minister Chretien as "Prime
Minister Poutine".
You'll have to ask Brian, cheryl or Will for the exact ingredients but
poutine is french fries with gravy and curds.
You might think "Chretien, poutine, same thing".  But you couldn't slip
that kind of a joke past anybody up here, let alone candidates for national
leadership.

Anyway unless you want to start a list exclusively devoted to Canadian
cultural endeavors, we're not going to cover them here.
If you're into electronica of the slightly slow and moody type, I can
recommend two newish CD's by local boys.
One is brand new. He calls himself Manitoba (even though he's from Ontario)
and the CD is called "Start Breaking My Heart"
And a little older, a kid from Montreal calling himself "Jaffa" with a
record called "Elevator".
If you really want to hear anything more about things Canadian, just ask.

And yes of course William Shatner is Canadian.  And yes of course he did
things up here before he did Star Trek.  He did Shakespeare if you can
imagine that.

To.

Be.

Or.

Not.

To.

Be.

Canadian.

AZ





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