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Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 17:48:18 +0100 (CET)
From: "Magnus Sandberg" <m.sandberg@telia.com>
Subject: Re: (exotica) very lucky morning
citerar Moritz R <moritz@derplan.com>:
> Magnus, something had been completely going wrong with your voodoo
> punishment against me!
It is probably like you wrote earlier. The voodoo struck back at me.
Today I feel really lousy. No more alcohol for me. Never. We dont mix
anymore.
Nice story about the record, but... are you sure it was not just a
dream? Why did you need two copies? I have only bought a second copy of
an LP once in my life.
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Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 11:50:09 -0500
From: "m.ace" <mace@ookworld.com>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Shaggs & other threads
I've been trying to stay out of all this, but I guess I'm doomed to rant.
Some of you may recall that I don't buy the good/bad dichotomy. Art is far
too subjective and fluid for such a simplistic and judgemental dichotomy.
The only realistic conclusions we can make are our individual
likes/dislikes (and we should always remember to keep challenging our own
tastes).
I don't buy everything the RE/Search people say, but on the cover of their
Incredibly Strange Films book, they did pick a great Picasso quote: "The
chief enemy of creativity is 'good' taste." (Though I would add that
over-reliance on 'bad' taste is equally debilitating.)
As for the "so bad it's good" philosophy, well, obviously I disagree with
the very premise. I also see it as an unfortunate way of weaseling out of
genuinely supporting work that you like. If you like something, you are
finding good (in another sense) in it -- just embrace it and enjoy it. And
if someone calls it stupid (implying you are also stupid), don't protect
yourself with irony -- point out that just as they are entitled to their
opinion, you are entitled to yours. And if they keep hassling you, wack 'em
with a tire iron.
So hey, I happen to like wacky percussion albums. With no ironic quotes
around "like". Not because they're good, or bad or badly good, or any such
ironic variation. They're just fun.
And, no surprise here, I like the Shaggs. Their guileless sincerity touches
me. Their technique does not conform to music school standards, indeed. But
the world of music is a whole lot wider than European obedience to orderly
bar lines and officially sanctioned chromatic scales (read some John Cage
for more on the topic). To propose a different way to think about the
Shaggs: think of their music as ethnic music from a very tiny
(family-sized) culture. If they came from a tiny South Pacific island and
sang in an unknown language, you'd probably think they were charming.
Geeze, denigrating the Shaggs is like kicking a puppy.
This does not mean I also can't enjoy "correct" music. There's no reason
not to draw enjoyment and enlightenment from music made with all sorts of
methods, styles and intentions. There are enough stupid divisions in the
world without gashing them into the universe of sound as well.
Skipping topics to the belief that the best classical music is magically
filtered to the top merely by the passage of time... I think not. Who can
say what wonderful music may have been lost forever simply because the
artist never received any attention at the time? It's very easy for bits of
paper to disappear, especially if no one but the artist cared about them in
the first place (especially at a time when burning some paper may be the
only thing keeping you from freezing to death on a winter's night). Or
think of the musicians who may have played amazing things, but never wrote
them down. Who knows what may have been lost? You may say, "But it DOES
work -- Bach was rediscovered!" To which I reply, "Yes, Bach was lucky --
and he had a long-term gig which set up some notoriety for him -- but what
about the others who weren't so lucky?" I suppose it's a futile argument
though -- one can't prove a negativity (or words to that effect). But the
belief that all of the most deserving works (by whose standards and at what
point in time?) will magically be placed by fate where the right person
will find them seems unlikely to me.
From dirt we came, and to dirt we shall return,
m.ace mace@ookworld.com
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Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 00:11:36 -0800
From: Otto <otto@tikinews.com>
Subject: (exotica) Tiki Ti 40th anniversary
4/28 starting at 4 pm
I'll be there sometime that night
cheers
Otto
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Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 22:51:17 +0100
From: Moritz R <moritz@derplan.com>
Subject: Re: (exotica) very lucky morning
Magnus Sandberg schrieb:
> No more alcohol for me. Never. We dont mix anymore.
as I always said: alkohol is one of the hardest drugs. But isn't a Scandinavian without alcohol like a Rasta without Reggae?
> Nice story about the record, but... are you sure it was not just a dream?
maybe it was a dream. but how did all these records come here?
> Why did you need two copies?
would you not buy any, say, M.D. Exotica for 2$? like for a friend, or for sale? I bought 10 Bimbo Jets and 15 Whipped Creams, when I could get them for one buck each.
I got the message below from a guy named Xander. If anyone can help him,
please mail him at
xander@neuronio.pt
Here's his question:
I┤m looking for some information about Barry Devorzon. This
arranger/composer wrote (not 100 % sure) the Theme from SWAT, and did some
work with James Brown (OST Black Caesar).
Anyone that knows more about this guy?
Marco
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Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 08:45:09 EST
From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com
Subject: Re: (exotica) Nacar cd-r's
In a message dated 3/24/01 3:47:46 PM Pacific Standard Time,
giovanni@pirulazio.interim.it writes:
<< A couple of fellow listers have recently reported to me that some
cd's I recently burned on Nacar cd-r's for private trades weren't
audible.
If you evere come across this (cheap) brand of cd's, be sure to skip
them!
(Dom, better check out the Nacars I sent you).
Ciao
Gionni >>
there does not seem to be a rhyme or reason to any of the cheaper CDs. i use
some that are great then a batch is bad (rarely). i have found that burning
at a slower speed usually fixes the problem (2X instead of 4X)
Anyone had similar experiences???
TB
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Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 19:54:18 +0100
From: edjunkita <edjunkita@wanadoo.nl>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Nacar cd-r's
My experience is that it depends more on the CD players than the
CD brand. Some CD players won't play CD-R's at all (especially the
portable ones), some only the A brands. I have good experience
burning at 8X, but then I mostly buy A brands. We're talking like
US$ 0.50 price difference, $1 max, so what's the point buying cheaper
ones anyway?
Rcbrooksod@aol.com wrote:
> there does not seem to be a rhyme or reason to any of the cheaper CDs. i use
> some that are great then a batch is bad (rarely). i have found that burning
> at a slower speed usually fixes the problem (2X instead of 4X)
>
> Anyone had similar experiences???
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Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 21:41:28 +0200
From: Moritz R <moritz@derplan.com>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Shaggs
the question was not, why anbody would love the Shaggs, but why they became so incredibly well-known from a certain point in history. And I believe this point in history was sometime in the mid-eighties, not in the 60s, and it had something to do with their representation in this book "Inredible Strange Music", which - by the way - helped a lot of other musicians to get some new attention and make a comeback, f.i. Esquivel. Is that a strange theory?
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Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 11:40:24 -0800
From: "F. Cobalt" <fcobalt@lycos.com>
Subject: (exotica) the shaggs
I think the thing that separates the Shaggs from other less capable musicians is sincerity. The Shaggs didn't get recorded because they were trying to score a record deal or become rock stars, but because their dad thought they were great. For every kind of record by people like the Shaggs, or Kali Bahlu, or Angelique the "singing model" (which by the way falls into the discussion of "vinyl vixen" covers -- good cover, terrible terrible singer), are about 500 albums by people who really want to be rock stars. After years of sifting through promos, the sad part I find is that a lot of people who put out albums hoping to make it big, are a combination of things, but typically they lack sincerity, creativity, enthusiasm, and maybe vision. I would much rather listen to a quirky album by someone who is driven by their own highly personal visions, even if they have little talent or skill, than by dime-a-dozen copy cat groups who strive for nothing more than to be rich and famous.
Sure you can put down the Shaggs because of problems they encountered in the studio, as well as their lack of skill, and less than typical lyrics, but they are still so unique and sincere, it's hard to keep away from them. But from their first album to second was a lot more practice, which made a big difference. The same thing could be found with the Kids from Widney High. The first album was visionary. The second album was so polished and poised for artistic acceptance, that it had more in common with the sound of a Paul Simon world music-styled album than with the Shaggs, to the point where it was really dull, which is what makes it unlistenable -- not because of poor musicianship or puzzling songs about insects.
We can only hope that hipsters listening to the Shaggs because someone told them how awful it was, comes to understand the intention of the sisters, and then listen to them because their music was honest, and not listen to them for the sake of being ironic.
Mr. Unlucky
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