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Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:35:05 +0100
From: Moritz R <moritz@derplan.com>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Lenny and Fausto at the disco
hey, after all these years of reading posts about Lenny Dee... could someone be so kind to throw in a Best Of compilation into the Exoticaring? I'd like to hear what I read about! Could you, Alan? You seem to like the disco phase of Dee and I like disco.
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Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:35:13 +0100
From: Moritz R <moritz@derplan.com>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Songwriting
uh oh, you really know how to stir up a discussion with generalizations, Steve. Of course you know, that your craftmanship theory stands and falls with the details.
Basically your arguments are the 19th century view on the art of the 20th century. Almost all innovations of the last 100 years were accused of a lack of quality and craftmanship in the beginning. Be it Cubism, Jazz, Rock, comic strips - there were always these conservative old folks saying "he cannot play an instrument, they cannot sing, he cannot paint realistically, it's not serious, it's jungle music, it's not valuable" etc. Yet the results of all this are the arts of today and you are part of it and you like it.
the art and music of the last century - especially what we call Exotica - was heavily influenced by so called primitive arts. Going back to the roots. Don't tell me, this was because western culture was so fascinated about primitivism for its superior craftmanship. It was the opposite, it was the expression and visionary truth that counted. Futurism happened because the old mastership art of the 19th century was monolithic, reactionary and *booooring*.
One thing about mastership is that it wants to improve yet tends to repeat old patterns. That's why it always ends up in a dead end road. That's why innovation often comes from so called dilletants or from developments outside an art form.
You will have extreme difficulties to explain what good craftmanship is at all. Like f.i., wether the singing of Frank Sinatra is so good because it is so perfect - which it isn't - or because it shows expression, when he doesn't hit the right note all the time. Try to explain! You mention the Electric Light Orchestra, they could sing multi-vocally extremely well, better than the Beatles. Does it mean I have to like them more? Is this a sign of quality at all? (BTW: ELO made at least two brillant albums, but this is just my taste.) A definition of craftmanship that ignores artistic, emotional and conceptional qualities, or even personal taste, has yet to be invented. The history of craftmanship... I'd really be interested what would come out of that. I'd rather see the course of history as a dialectic exchange play between dilletants and craftsmen, each needing the other to develop.
To call "over-dubbing and sound-effects a lame-ass trick to appeal to the drug-crowd"... this is the most conservative thing I have read in a while. The funny thing is, that I know kind of what you want to say, but the way you express it, it's, sorry, nonsense. It's an argument against anything new. There was this first man in history who made music by beating a stone against a piece of wood; he did it for years and achieved mastership in it. Then came the second man stringing a skin between the ends of another piece of wood and wanted to make sounds with it. But the first man said: Don't do that. You only want to impress the drug crowd with your string. Stone music is all we need. If you practice hard enough, you can achieve mastership with the stone.
In "Fabricated music" you say "(the act of creation is) a spontaneous expression made possible by years of concentrated study of technique". Very well, I can second this, but this doesn't say anything about *which* technique. The art of sampling, f.i., is such a technique, no matter you accept it or not. History is written without your approval.
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Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 08:07:11 -0500
From: "Usselman, Lawrence J" <ljusselm@tycoelectronics.com>
Subject: RE: (exotica) Re: Re: finer with age?
Ok...now I KNOW I am the oldest on this list...I'm (gulp) *51*
But I'm young at heart...and all that crap.
Colleen
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A mere child. I'm a few summers ahead of you, Colleen. (But at least I'm
still officially part of the Post-WWII Baby Boom!)
Larry (54 and enjoying every millennium of it...)
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Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 07:07:38 -0600
From: Matt Marchese <mjmarch@charter.net>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Disney and tiki
itsvern@attglobal.net wrote:
> It was interesting to hear a lecture from an architectural viewpoint -- and hear new things - like one of the purposes of the steam train that circles the original park. It sits on a tall earthen berm, which prevents people inside the park from looking outside and seeing the everyday surburban sprawl.
The parks are also designed to force visitors to view the attractions from a particular perspective. One book I read (The Art of Walt Disney, by Christopher Finch) likened it to a movie lot or being shown a real-life Disney movie with each ride being a separate film segment.
The Encounter Restaurant (which I've mentioned in several threads now) was recently remodeled by Disney Imagineers.
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Matt Marchese
"I've been havin' this nightmare.......a real swinger of a
nightmare, too." -Frank Sinatra (The Manchurian Candidate)
LOS ANGELES (AP) -- Richard Stone, whose musical compositions for such popular cartoon shows as ``Animaniacs'' and ``Freakazoid'' won him more than a half-dozen Emmys, died Friday of pancreatic cancer. He was 47.
Stone grew up watching Warner Bros. ``Looney Tunes'' cartoons in the 1950s and '60s before going on to study cello and music composition in college.
He not only emulated the style of Carl Stalling, who composed hundreds of musical scores for classic Warner Bros. cartoons in the 1930s, '40s and '50s, but also incorporated elements of jazz, Broadway, country and rock music into his work.
Stone also carved out his own style on modern-day shows, winning seven Emmys since 1994 for such cartoons as ``Animaniacs,'' ``Freakazoid'' and ``Histeria!''
He also worked on the cartoons ``Pinky & the Brain,'' ``Taz-Mania,'' ``Road Rovers'' and ``The Sylvester & Tweety Mysteries'' and scored several movies, including the cult classics ``Sundown: The Vampire in Retreat'' and ``Pumpkinhead.''
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Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 10:28:07 -0500
From: "cheryl" <cheryls@dsuper.net>
Subject: Re: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music
After much anticipation, I finally listened to this one - and I was quite
disappointed. I know it's always compared to Tipsy, but I don't see the
comparison at all. Yes, there are samples used, but that's where it ends -
Willner tends to use a lot of spoken word bits (based on his background, not
surprising) including a lot of borscht belt -type snippets. It might be
more obscure-sounding to a European, but for a North American, I didn't
think so. Yes, it is less "poppy", but...
BTW, whoever it was (Alan?) that said the only stuff that would be left on
Napster would be the sort of stuff we're all interested in was right - but
it bothers me. After all, is Metallica really going to be affected if a
bunch of 12-year olds who couldn't afford to buy their CD dowloaded it from
Napster instead? But now you can find all sorts of musicians who don't sell
millions of copies, and I would think anything dowloaded instead of bought
would be a serious blow to them. And even those that sell better, such as
Tipsy, are of course, still showing up on Napster. Musicians such as Tipsy
deserve our support. I think this is where I draw the Napster line (if it's
something I can't otherwise buy or find, okay, but if not...)
And for those who watch Sex And The City (I'm still catching up on the first
two seasons) Tipsy's music shows up from time to time in the background -
you can't miss it!
From: "Robert McKenna" <rmckenna@hotmail.com>
> Magnus, have you tried 'whoops I'm an indian' by Hal Wilmer (with the
beats
> technology type stuff being done by Howie B cohorts)? It's much more
exotica
> flavoured than Tipsy's first album, it's sources stretch back further and
> are often more obscure. It's also less 'poppy'
Enough ranting for one morning...see what staying home with a four-year-old
on spring break can do to you?
cheryl
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Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 10:55:06 -0500
From: Clayton Black <clayton.black@washcoll.edu>
Subject: (exotica) Hidden Identities
Not long ago there was a good bit of discussion about aliases (Dick Hyman
was Knuckles O'Toole, right?), and I'm curious about two albums in my
collection. Does anybody know who "The Mustang" was? The album's not
great, so I won't be upset if I don't find this one out, but I do like
"Trumpets Ole," and I'm curious about it. It's on Decca, so my assumption
is that it's a group from that bunch, although as someone here brought up,
the alias could be a means of avoiding contract violations with other
labels.
Clayton
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Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:15:04 -0500
From: "Domenic Ciccone" <djdciccone@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: (exotica) A Brighter View of Our Dark Age of Music
>And for those who watch Sex And The City (I'm still catching up on the
>first
>two seasons) Tipsy's music shows up from time to time in the background -
>you can't miss it!
>
Check out the web site for Boston band "4 Piece Suit" at
www.fourpiecesuit.com.
It mentions that they also put together some music for "Sex And The City".
Mostly True Tales" is now in a bookstore near you.
Order signed copies at: http://www.menmymotherdated.com
On Thu, 15 Mar 2001, Magnus Sandberg wrote:
> Yesterday I watched Fellinis "Le Notti di Cabiria" or "Nights of
> Cabiria". And it is a fantastic film! Its about a prostitute and her
> relationships with men who always end up in great pain for her.
> Giulietta Masina who portrays this somewhat lost soul is a real miracle
> in gestures and facial expression, I was extremely touched by her
> performance allthough I did not cry when this film ended. It is of
> significance also for us exoticats since the music is really good,
> there are even some true "exotica" performances and mambo in it.
>
> Any other Fellini recommendations?
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Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 17:54:36 +0100 (CET)
From: "Magnus Sandberg" <m.sandberg@telia.com>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Film recommendation
citerar Brett Leveridge <brett@echonyc.com>:
> Of the Fellini films that are available on DVD, I've seen LA DOLCE
VITA, 8
> 1/2, and LA STRADA, and I highly recommend them all (LA STRADA is
> heartbreaking). For a long time, I assumed Fellini wouldn't be my cup
of
> tea;
I thought so too, luckily with art is that you can change and
appreciate things in later stadiums of life. What a great storyteller
he is, and so humane.
>
> One note on NIGHTS OF CABIRIA: The scene with the man offering
charity to
> the people who live in the caves was cut out of the film back in '57;
it
> was seen only a few times. Fellini excised it at the request of the
church
> (who thought it reflected badly on them); only because of the recent
> restoration is it in the film now, and thank Heaven it is: it's a
lovely
> scene, and vital to the film, in my view.
I agree, very vital, yet the atmosphere change a little from the rest
of the film
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Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 12:11:57 EST
From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com
Subject: Re: (exotica) Other Sex
In a message dated Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:15:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, "Domenic Ciccone" <djdciccone@hotmail.com> writes:
<<
>And for those who watch Sex And The City (I'm still catching up on the
>first
>two seasons) Tipsy's music shows up from time to time in the background -
>you can't miss it!
>
Last night I was stunned when I heard Sam Paglia's "Night Club Tropez" on "Sex And The City". But I also really like the music on "The Sopranos", even though its not exotica...The other night I heard Dave 'Baby' Cortez pumping "The Happy Organ" while Anthony gave his attitude-ridden nephew some facts he "isn't gonna like to hear, but he's gonna hear it anyways and deal with it...."...JB
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Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 10:01:49 -0800 (PST)
From: Ben Waugh <sophisticatedsavage@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Film recommendation
Giulietta of the Spirits: very beautiful
cinematography, and ST, if I recall correctly (it's
been 10 years).
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