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Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 16:39:16 +0100 (CET)
From: "Magnus Sandberg" <m.sandberg@telia.com>
Subject: Re: : Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree
citerar Clayton Black <clayton.black@washcoll.edu>:
>Until then, I would hate to see us stop posting about
> notsowellknown gems--predators or not. Who knows, we may get to the
Off course yoe are right, I write things quickly and send it away,
maybe I should learn to think twice. The reason I joined this list was
knowledge, the new guy, dont remember your name, but welcome to the
list! I am sure when all this hubbub has settled you can join in once
and a while, that is if you wish... Maybe you know some strange vinyl
to talk about. Naturally we shall discuss secret gems as well. Maybe
that is a way of getting them into the market too.
Yes, I have thought it over! Yes, twice. Send it! OK! Send!
Magnus
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Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 08:14:55 -0800
From: "Benito Vergara" <sunny70@sirius.com>
Subject: RE: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-exotica@lists.xmission.com
> [mailto:owner-exotica@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Usselman, Lawrence
> J
> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 7:17 AM
> I'm not going to lower myself and get into a name-calling flame war here.
> I'll continue lurking and learning and leave you folks to your little
> exclusive group. Have fun.
Quite frankly, I'm a little surprised at all the vitriol being hurled
around. Seems to me that Lawrence merely politely introduced himself, and
came to the list for the purposes of learning more about the genre (which
I'm sure many of us did), and enjoying the music. Nothing wrong with that.
And aside from reserve prices, it's always the *buyer* who sets the prices
on eBay.
Welcome to the list, Lawrence.
Note: I can see how one can use the word "asshole" in a friendly context,
but not with strangers. And I would normally phrase it like this (see
below):
Asshole. =)
Later,
Ben
http://www.bigfoot.com/~bvergara
ICQ: 12832406
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Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 11:21:07 -0500
From: "Nathan Miner" <nminer@jhmi.edu>
Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) Ebay evils(?)
I'll have to side with Ben on this one - I DON'T think this guy's comments =
were done with a smirk - jeez, lighten up guys.=20
And he does have a point - it's an AUCTION so if you think it's too much =
to pay then don't bid!
- - Nate (who passed up 100's of cool things on "that site" based on a =
personal "price conscience")
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Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 11:19:00 -0500
From: "Usselman, Lawrence J" <ljusselm@tycoelectronics.com>
Subject: RE: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree
Hey, ain't nothing wrong with assholes...we'd all be full of shit without
one! =)
Larry
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From: Benito Vergara [mailto:sunny70@sirius.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 11:15 AM
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Note: I can see how one can use the word "asshole" in a friendly context,
but not with strangers. And I would normally phrase it like this (see
below):
Asshole. =)
Later,
Ben
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Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 11:39:08 EST
From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com
Subject: RE: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree
"sneaky fuck"? Anyone who reads the list without posting is a "sneaky fuck"?
Nope...But someone who cashes in and doesn't even participate is a real Middleman...a time-honored capitalist position which really means making money by getting in between the product and the consumer, by "being there"..."sneaky fuck" was a kneejerk reaction to your way of doing things...too strong perhaps, sorry to chose that description in hindsight
Some very stranger perceptions here...
So don't read it...of course if you're just after money then perceptions don't really matter do they? And if its just money you're after do you have the right to comment on perceptions while you cash in? Isn't that like mocking a store customer?
I'm not going to lower myself and get into a name-calling flame war here.
I'll continue lurking and learning and leave you folks to your little
exclusive group
You can't really do both, at least not very well...I guess that's my point. Either join in or lurk. Something about lurking and looking for stuff to sell us after reading all the posts stinks to me. OK, maybe "sneaky fuck" was heavy-handed, but it still smells like a rat to me. If that's a strange perception, so be it. I'm too far along in life to worry about it...JB/don't use E-Bay anyway
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Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 11:41:52 EST
From: DJJimmyBee@aol.com
Subject: Re: (exotica) Ooh Ooh! White Goddess! On Kapp?!?
In a message dated Thu, 1 Mar 2001 10:24:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, mimim@texas.net (Mimi Mayer) writes:
<<
At 10:05 AM 3/1/01, DJJimmyBee@aol.com wrote:
>>there other worthies on Kapp?
>
>Ruby & The Romantics...Our Day Will Come LP
Our Day...such a sweet tune. Is the LP mellow throughout with lots of
soothing Latin beats? I've always thought of Ruby & the Romantics as
one-hit wonders. Please correct me if I'm mistaken. Thanks for the info,
Jimmy. Mimi
She did the original "Heyb There Lonely Girl" as "Hey There Lonely Boy" back in '64 and the Charly re-release of 1985 contains all her best work...Exotic Soul with a latin tinge and a pop sensibility
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Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 08:56:20 -0800
From: "Brian Linds" <woodlind@island.net>
Subject: (exotica) April Fools
Hi every one! I just got the go ahead for another segment on CBC radio here
in Canada. And I'm looking for interesting recordings about Pranks or Frauds
or Fake Bands. Any ideas? Anybody have any ifo on Uri Geller? wasn't he
found out to be a fraud? Thanks,
Brian Linds
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Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 12:26:28 -0500
From: "cheryl" <cheryls@dsuper.net>
Subject: Re: (exotica) April Fools
Off the top of my head, for fake bands, there's Bobby Trafalgar and Marvin
Pontiac. There's also the soundtrack to "Soul Ecstasy", which was never a
movie )(and Logan's Sanctuary, too)
I'm sure there are lots more.
cheryl
From: "Brian Linds" <woodlind@island.net>
> Hi every one! I just got the go ahead for another segment on CBC radio
here
> in Canada. And I'm looking for interesting recordings about Pranks or
Frauds
> or Fake Bands
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Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 12:32:40 EST
From: HOUSEOBOB@aol.com
Subject: Re: (exotica) April Fools
In a message dated 3/2/2001 12:59:12 AM, woodlind@island.net writes:
<< And I'm looking for interesting recordings about Pranks or Frauds
or Fake Bands. >>
"The Masked Marauders" was an "anonymous" supersession that was
released by Reprise (no date on the album, most likely around 1969). People
were led to believe that Dylan, Jagger and the Beatles were involved.
Whether anyone actually believed that was Jagger singing "I Can't Get No
Nookie", I'm not sure. The liner notes are by "T.M.Christian".
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Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 17:53:16
From: "Daniel Shiman" <daniel_shiman@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree
>>I feel sorry for those collectors who saw their fleamarket joy turn into a
>>buisness.
Being someone whose psychic well-being relies perhaps a little too much on
maintaining a stream of cheap vinyl into my apartment, I've often wondered,
sometimes obsessively, about the influence of outside factors (i.e., ebay)
on the availability of interesting records in the usual sources. And I
haven't noticed that the availability of interesting thrift/flea
market/dollar-bin records has diminished markedly since ebay, really. Flea
market records turned into much more serious business once those stupid
record price guides started coming out. Perhaps it's also that that
initial, casual interest in thrift store records stirred up by the
"Incredibly Strange Music" books and exotica compilations of the mid-90's
has abated somewhat, compensating in some small way for the rise of ebay.
That said, this idea that "everybody's a winner on ebay" is just more
consumeristic bullshit. Record collecting for many of us can be obsessive,
if not addictive. We NEED that record, whatever it may be. The
dealer/buyer relationship (which is all there is to ebay) is inherently
exploitative when it comes to the collector. Telling the high bidder that
everybody's a winner on ebay is like telling the drug addict that he or
she's a winner. Not that record collection is even remotely in the same
category as drug addiction. But the dynamic is much the same.
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Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 13:48:46 -0500
From: "m.ace" <mace@ookworld.com>
Subject: Re: (exotica) "Tikiville"
>"Tikiville" is a romantic comedy about a 30-year-old single mother whose
>life is turned upside down when the father of her child suddenly re-enters
>her life after a 14-year absence. The series, set in south Florida, will
>switch back and forth between the couple's current relationship and their
>days as teen lovers.
I think I'd rather watch SCTV's "Polynesiantown".
m.ace mace@ookworld.com
http://ookworld.com
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Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 13:53:50 EST
From: Dj45rpm@aol.com
Subject: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree
Looking back at the original post, I agree it seemed more of an intro than an opportunity to smirk, BUT, as someone who's gone to many a garage sale, inquired whether they had any records for sale, and been informed that someone just bought up their entire "stock" before I got there (and noticed a pattern forming as I continued my garage run), I can understand some of the vitrol coming from Brian & co. (I've uttered many curse words directed towards "dealers" myself at times due to said situations).
Seeing both sides (diplomatic little f*** aren't I),
DavidH
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Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 13:56:53 -0500
From: "Usselman, Lawrence J" <ljusselm@tycoelectronics.com>
Subject: RE: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree
Hi Dan and all,
Some good points and on-the-whole I tend to agree with you about the factors
influencing the availability of "cheap vinyl". Interestingly enough, there
has been a steady stream of recent columns and letters in the U.S. record
collecting "trade press" (Goldmine, Discoveries), bemoaning the influence of
eBay in *driving down* the price of collectible records. It appears that the
traditional closed-circle "good old boy" club of collectors and dealers has
been having trouble maintaining their artificially inflated prices, what
with every Jill and Joe scouring their attics and closets for used vinyl.
The market has changed...for better or worse remains to be seen.
As far as your addiction, Dan, might I suggest a twelve-step program? :^)
(Hi, my name is Dan and I'm a record-addict...)
Larry (who is not only a pusher but an addict himself...)
- -----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Shiman [mailto:daniel_shiman@hotmail.com]
<snip>
Being someone whose psychic well-being relies perhaps a little too much on
maintaining a stream of cheap vinyl into my apartment, I've often wondered,
sometimes obsessively, about the influence of outside factors (i.e., ebay)
on the availability of interesting records in the usual sources. And I
haven't noticed that the availability of interesting thrift/flea
market/dollar-bin records has diminished markedly since ebay, really. Flea
market records turned into much more serious business once those stupid
record price guides started coming out. Perhaps it's also that that
initial, casual interest in thrift store records stirred up by the
"Incredibly Strange Music" books and exotica compilations of the mid-90's
has abated somewhat, compensating in some small way for the rise of ebay.
That said, this idea that "everybody's a winner on ebay" is just more
consumeristic bullshit. Record collecting for many of us can be obsessive,
if not addictive. We NEED that record, whatever it may be. The
dealer/buyer relationship (which is all there is to ebay) is inherently
exploitative when it comes to the collector. Telling the high bidder that
everybody's a winner on ebay is like telling the drug addict that he or
she's a winner. Not that record collection is even remotely in the same
category as drug addiction. But the dynamic is much the same.
- -Dan
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Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 13:56:39 EST
From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com
Subject: Re: : Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree
In a message dated 03/01/01 10:04:59 AM Eastern Standard Time,
basichip@home.com writes:
<< This morning I re-read Mr. Usselman's post and see nothing in it at all
that
deserves being called an asshole.
He's right, it's the buyers that set the prices on ebay. This idea that
sellers are "jacking up the prices" is baloney, that's not the way it works.
Sure, there are some that set minimums high, or use reserves, but 90% of the
sellers kick it off under ten bucks and let the buyers decide. We always
seem to forget about all the large number of records that never receive a
bid or are sold to a single bidder. Like the near mint Mike Simpson "Jungle
Odyssey" I got for three bucks. :)
I'm with U, Mr. U. >>
yep, i am with you basic.
also, i think of ALL the stuff i have found on ebay that i otherwise would
never have found.
i just purchased a mint condition Marantz 2230B Receiver for about a hundred
bucks. 20 times better than the current shit being offered as receivers.
where there 100 watts RMS does not even come close to the 30 watts continous
that the Marantz has.
ya gets whats ya bid for and no one forces you to bid.
happy ebayer,
tiki bob
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Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 14:04:35 EST
From: Rcbrooksod@aol.com
Subject: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree
In a message dated 03/01/01 10:05:02 AM Eastern Standard Time,
DJJimmyBee@aol.com writes:
<< I have no problem with capitalism per se...let the buyer beware and all
that happy horseshit, but the lurking to do your "demographic research" is
sneaky and underhanded. . So, its "fuck you asshole" (that's to ljusselm). >>
so i guess he should not have put it up for bid. the search engine on ebay
is where the people of a certain demographic LOOK for things that fit THEIR
demographic. it does not work the other way around.
did i miss something? did the lurker post to the list his ebay listing?
even if he did, is the person who got the album upset?
and the better question, if the person who got the album (and i don't know
who that is at this point) had the opportunity to return it and get his money
back, would he? and would the other three bidders be willing to buy it?
i suspect they would.
leave the seller alone. i don't think he did anything sneaky. no body paid
more than they were willing to bid.
tb
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Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 14:20:31 -0500
From: Clayton Black <clayton.black@washcoll.edu>
Subject: Re: (exotica) three gentlemen fail to agree
