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exotica-digest       Saturday, November 4 2000       Volume 02 : Number 833



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Re: (exotica) Sony SACD
Re: (exotica) Frames for your records.
Re: (exotica) Gold! Silver! Eggplant!
Re: (exotica) Totally Stupid Request
Re: (exotica) Gold! Silver! Eggplant!
Re: (exotica) Sony SACD
Re: (exotica) Bollywood voices and locations
(exotica) Bollywood Orchestra
Re: (exotica) Gold! Silver! Eggplant!
Re: (exotica) Sony SACD
(exotica) soul tune
Re: (exotica) Gold! Silver! Eggplant!
RE: (exotica) Gold! Silver! Eggplant!
(exotica) Seksu Roba
Re: (exotica) Seksu Roba
Re: (exotica) Seksu Roba
(exotica) CD Burning Longevity and Accuracy
(exotica) CD Longevity
(exotica) i am so disappointed in you people
(exotica) More geeky stuff
(exotica) [obits] a whole bunch of ...
(exotica) Young at Heart Chorus
(exotica) Retro Cocktail Hour
(exotica) MONDO EXOTICA-A SPACE AGE POP BOOK FROM ITALY/ADORING THE ENEMY
(exotica) Playlist For Space Bop, November 5
Re: (exotica) EXOTICA-ADORING THE ENEMY
Re: (exotica) MONDO EXOTICA-A SPACE AGE POP BOOK FROM ITALY/ADORING THE ENEMY

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Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 23:26:43 -0500
From: "Risser Family" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Sony SACD

> If a digital copy is an exact copy, what difference does it make if the
> "data" is brought in as analog information or digital information?  If you
> know what I mean...


If you run it via analog channels you are introducing noise.  Line hum,
interference, and such.  If you make a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy
via analog means, it degrades, like a photocopy of a photocopy.  Sure, it
takes a while, but it's not "perfect".

But digital, you can copy over and over on down the line with no
degradation.

It's not entirely true, as I don't think ripping is perfect and a rip of a
rip of a rip stands a good chance of introducing digital artifact (which is
uglier than analog), but theoretically, it can go on forever with no
degradation.  Such is the theory.

I think.
Peter



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Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 23:30:28 -0500
From: "Risser Family" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Frames for your records.

Restoration Hardware has nice ones too, but they aren't cheap.
I think the site is like www.restorationhardware.com or something like that.
ALso, they have stores.
And a catalog.
It's true.  I swear.

There shit is cool.  I could easily outfit my house from their catalogs.

Peter


> In a message dated 11/2/0 1:47:51 PM, [e-mail] wrote:
>
> >Does anyone in the Ontario or Michigan area know where I can pick up
picture
> >frames that are designed to slip your records into so you can hang your
> >favourites on the wall without damaging them?
>
> Bags Unlimited sells inexpensive shiny plastic easy-to-use LP cover
frames.
> They take out an ad in Discoveries and Goldmine every issue.





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Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 23:32:48 -0500
From: "Risser Family" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Gold! Silver! Eggplant!

> If a laser reads digital information and nothing actually touches
anything,
> how can anything wear out?  Does it have a self-destruct chip encoded in
> it?  "It kills itself before it's five"?  It's hard to believe that the
> record companies have been pressing the best quality CD's available and I
> haven't heard any reports of them wearing out so why should it be so for
> these ones which are probably more expensive than those?
> Go ahead.  Burst my bubble.


They oxidize.  Dunno how exactly, but the shit just chemicalizes itself out.

The real dirty secret is that all your aluminum CDs in your collection will
rot eventually too.  I heard about 50 years.

Have fun!

Peter



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Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 23:36:58 -0500
From: "Risser Family" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Totally Stupid Request

Y'all are indeed life savers.

My son somehow picked this tune up and sings it to my baby girl.
"Li-ly, li-li-li-li-li-ly..."

And I had to know where and when.

Thanks!

(and thanks Napster for the verification!)

Peter


> In a message dated 11/2/0 9:29:57 PM, [e-mail] wrote:
>
> >It's alright... alright girl,
> >yeah, it's alright... alright girl
> >bum bum... bum bum-a-dum, bum bum... bum bum-a-dum...
>
> Mah Brutha--you be speakin' 'bout JJ Jackson and his jam "But Its Alright"
> (1966) a big ol' fuckin' hit





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Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 01:17:08 -0500
From: Ross Orr <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Gold! Silver! Eggplant!

Brian wrote:
>this guy proceeded to tell me about my burns wearing out.
>And that I should be only buying expensive Gold CDrs that will last 15 years
>instead of 2 or 3 with the other colors. It's still early in this new phase
>of recording to test old versus new.
>What's anyone know about this????

Oh no--you're going to make me rant TWICE IN ONE DAY! Aaaaagh!!!


It's just that I keep hearing all this weird folklore and
misinformation about different CD colors. . .

CDs are read by a laser. The laser in audio CD players uses a single
wavelength of light which is at the *very very very far red* end of
the spectrum--where our eyes are barely sensitive at all.

Therefore, the fact that one CD looks light and another looks dark,
and one looks gold and another looks blue, DOES NOT MATTER AT ALL.
Seriously. You can't tell just by looking how reflective the CD will
be to that far-red wavelength of light, because it's a color that
your eye doesn't see. See?

CDs have a mirrorlike metal coating which bounces the laser beam back
into the pickup lens. In a manufactured CD, microscopic bumps are
pressed into the plastic, which scatter the laser light at that
point, instead of bouncing it back, so you get a drop in brightness
there. With CR-Rs, instead of bumps, your CD burner scorches or
blisters a dye layer that is in front of the metallic layer--but the
effect is the same, a drop in brightness of the reflected beam.

Within limits, your player adjusts to the overall brightness of the
reflected light, and all that really matters is that there is
adequate contrast between the darker bumps or spots and the brighter
"lands." If there is, the CD can be played.

(When I say "within limits," I mean that eventually you WILL come
across some combination of burner, blank and player that just won't
work together. In that case somehow the lands ended up too dim, or
the pits were too faint, or the contrast was too low for the
particular needs of that player.)



Now for a CD to "go bad" after a certain amount of time, either the
reflective layer would have to stop reflecting light, or else the
pits would have to fade away somehow, so that the contrast between
light and dark got too feeble.

With manufactured music CDs, the pits are a physical feature which
are never going to go anywhere. There has been some concern that
aluminum reflective backings might oxidize over time, and get kind of
milky instead of mirrorlike. That's the theory behind using a gold
backing instead, which is more chemically stable. However silver CDs
seem to have held up OK over the last 15 years, so who knows.

If a manufactured CD suddenly goes bad, it's just as likely that it
picked up a scratch in the Table of Contents area near the spindle.
Then, the player can't even tell if Track 1 exists or anything. . .
so it's unplayable.

With CD-Rs, there is definitely a lot of variation between batches of
blanks in the chemistry  of the dye layer. One type of dyes looks
blue to your eye (or green against a gold backing); the other is more
pale greenish yellow. High quality blanks can use either technology.
The manufacturer also has to make a tradeoff on how dense to make the
dye layer: Enough to leave a dark pit, but not so much that it cuts
light transmission from the reflective backing. All these
formulations have to get re-adjusted as faster burner speeds become
available. And so on. Unfortunately, there is just no simplistic way
to tell which blanks are the best by looking at them.

Now, I'd always assumed that after you've burned a CD, the pits in
the dye layer would get carbonized enough that they should stay
pretty light-fast after that. (That's the official party line
anyway--that a burnt CD should last for decades.)

I suppose it is possible that burned pits might fade, if the dye
layer was was particularly low quality. But that would have nothing
to do with whether the backing was silver or gold. (However that is a
reason for sticking with good-quality blanks from companies with a
decent track record.)

On the other hand, the dye in *unused* blank CDs could go bad
eventually--just like other dyes can fade. So you probably want to
keep unused blanks in a cool dark place, and try to use them up
within a year or two.


Sorry, did this help anyone?

cheers,

  --Ross

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|| Ann Arbor, Michigan USA


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Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 10:55:45 +0100
From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Sony SACD

Ross Orr schrieb:

> the idea that either of these formats will provide any
> significant benefits to us, the music-buying public, is a complete fraud.
>
> Is there any psychoacoustic justification for this? No.

Unless the gen tech laboratories of Sony work on an update version of the
human hearing sytem, like Ears 2.0   ;-)  Or if you want to record bat
voices...

Thanks for those amazing and informatory articles, Ross. Helped a lot to
understand what's going on under the surface of the shimmy disc...

Mo



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Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 10:57:16 +0100
From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Bollywood voices and locations

Lang Thompson schrieb:

> She said that all Indian >films follow three basic story lines

> Maybe this was meant as a joke but possibly some unsuspecting readers might
> take it for truth when it's not.  Indian films run a wide range of genres

A stereotype of the It's a small world type of course, but the way she told
it, was really funny.

Mo



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Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 12:00:41 -0000
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) Bollywood Orchestra

I saw that the Bollywood Orchestra are playing at the Queen Elizabeth hall
(I think South Bank anyway) in London. On the 18th of November.  I'm not too
sure of the details as I saw the date and realised I couldn't make it.

I can't go as I've got a gig DJing in the nearest Brighton has to a Tiki
bar, the Bali Brasserie.  At last.  I've been dying for this since I went
there for my birthday last year.  Its a great place, on the ground floor of
an old peoples block of flats. I've heard that occasionally the staff wear
grass skirts.  Its normally an office party kind of place that plays pretty
poor pop, but the event I'm playing is for a local performance art group, so
its Exotica, and drums.  I'm so looking forward to this.

But I'm disappointed about missing the Bollywood Orchestra, I assume its the
same outfit that put out the 12 that Rob McKenna was raving about a couple
of months ago.


El Maestro Con Queso

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Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 07:10:52 -0500
From: "Telstar" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Gold! Silver! Eggplant!

Larson/Thomas wrote:

> I've probably bought 700-800 CDs since the late 1980s.  I've had a few
that
> never played at all and I took them back to the store, but I've never had
> one "wear out."  Never.  So I think the concern over the factory-produced
> produced CDs may be misguided (said with fingers crossed).

I haven't heard of a cd wearing out, but some British-made cds are subject
to "bronzing", known to some as "disc-rot" (these were manufactured by PDO
in the early to mid eighties). I have at least one unplayable one, with
others taking on an unhealthy colour. A shame really, as these would include
some of my favourite Nurse With Wound & Joe Meek cds, none of which were
cheap.

Allan



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Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 08:16:52 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Sony SACD

> We are not bats, and our high-frequency hearing tends to drop off
> pretty severely above 18 kHz
> Is there any psychoacoustic justification for this?

Perhaps the audio range of canaries is much greater than humans.  A whole new
generation of 'Teach Your Canary to Sing' CDs may be arriving soon which will
actually allow canaries to reach the full range of their chirpy language,
rather than the truncated version that humans have foisted on them.

Better yet, perhaps those new enhanced Martin Denny CDs will be result in a
much livlier listening experience.  Those added frequency range might allow
many other animal species to appreciate his music, and they will be so pleased
that they will start singing along in your home environment, just as they did
for Martin Denny in that Hawaiaan nightclub when the bullfrogs joined in.

or maybe the record companies are slowly being taken over by aliens as in
'Invasion of the Body Snatchers' with their main mission to ensure there's a
readily available of 'extra-range' CDs already on Earth when the invading
hourdes with advanced hearing capabilities arrive in full force.

Vern



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Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 14:41:06 +0000
From: "Giovanni Berti" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) soul tune

> Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 21:21:08 -0500
> From: "Risser Family" <[e-mail]>
> Subject: (exotica) Totally Stupid Request
>
> It's alright... alright girl,
> yeah, it's alright... alright girl
> bum bum... bum bum-a-dum, bum bum... bum bum-a-dum...

May it be J.J. Jackson's "But It's Allright"?
Ciao
Gionni


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Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 08:47:21 -0500
From: "Nathan Miner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Gold! Silver! Eggplant!

Okay, I don't know about the color scheme idea as far as "wearing out =
goes"......but I did notice a blurb on a CDR cover that mentioned =
something like "100 hours of play in direct sunlight exposure!"=20

This leads me to believe that exposing the surface to sunlight continually =
(say, in your car) would bleach out the color thus making it impossible =
for the laser to read the CD?

Sound plausible?

- - Nate




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Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 11:22:44 -0800
From: "Benito Vergara" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) Gold! Silver! Eggplant!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Telstar
> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 4:11 AM

> I haven't heard of a cd wearing out, but some British-made cds are subject
> to "bronzing", known to some as "disc-rot" (these were manufactured by PDO
> in the early to mid eighties).

I was about to post on this very subject. Anyway, see the website:

http://www.brainwashed.com/c93/discog/discrot.html

I have some Current 93 CDs that look pretty discolored to me...

Later,
Ben

np: lull, "continue"

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Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 13:52:10 -0800 (PST)
From: chuck <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Seksu Roba

I played Seksu Roba for the first time today and I was impressed.
The combination of the samples on some of the songs had a great
eerie outer space feel.  Made me think of Disney and Space
Mountain.  Some of the songs were tipsyish, a very high compliment,
and the last song was down right psychedelic.   I was most
impressed with the combination and choice of samples.  This is one
cool cd with some eerie spooky outer space sounds.  Its fun to try
and guess where the samples come form.

Our own Kevin Lee, who is also the founder of popnouveau is 50
percent of Seksu Roba. I've met Kevin when I was out in LA and he
is one cool cat with a true exotica feel.  I would hope Kevin would
share some insight into the making of this cd and the possibility
of a second release??

Easy listening in the Big Easy
Chuck


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Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 22:17:50 GMT
From: "james brouwer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Seksu Roba

I second Chuck's recommendation. Seksu Roba are doing some really fine work
on this CD - not-too-obvious samples, put in the right spots, with fine
grooves, rounded out by a lush, druggy, and exotic atmosphere. Though
they're not identical, if you like Tipsy you'll definitely definitely like
this.

that's my two-cents,
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Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 17:40:08 -0500
From: Bump <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Seksu Roba

perfect intro to my first listening as i just recieved it today from dusty
groove.
thanx for getting my appetite WETTER!  ooooo baby.

not to mention the great cover art.

bump
aka the controller


>I played Seksu Roba for the first time today and I was impressed.
>The combination of the samples on some of the songs had a great
>eerie outer space feel.  Made me think of Disney and Space
>Mountain.  Some of the songs were tipsyish, a very high compliment,
>and the last song was down right psychedelic.   I was most
>impressed with the combination and choice of samples.  This is one
>cool cd with some eerie spooky outer space sounds.  Its fun to try
>and guess where the samples come form.

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Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 16:54:53 -0800
From: "Stephen W. Worth" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) CD Burning Longevity and Accuracy

exotica-digest wrote:

>Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 12:49:41 -0800
>From: "Brian Linds" <[e-mail]>
>Subject: (exotica) Gold! Silver! Eggplant!
>
>Hi all. i know a lot of us are burning Cds here and I just had wee little
>talk with a guy in one of the huge electronic chains. I usually don't take
>too much stock in what they say, but my paranoid little CDr burning mind got
>a bit twisted when this guy proceeded to tell me about my burns wearing out.
>And that I should be only buying expensive Gold CDrs that will last 15 years
>instead of 2 or 3 with the other colors. It's still early in this new phase
>of recording to test old versus new.
>What's anyone know about this???? - Brian Linds

The jury is still out on that. See this page...

http://www.mrichter.com/cdr/primer/lifetime.htm

I've had suspicions that the rips that I made weren't the same as the
original. I did a test today, by taking a track and ripping and burning
it ten generations. If you'd like to see what it sounds like, here is
a stereo aiff file with one channel being the first generation mono
rip, and the other channel being a tenth generation rip:

http://www.spumco.com/riptestsegment.aif

When I finished ripping and burning, the track ended up being slightly
longer than the original. But putting the waveform up in Peak and sliding
them back into sync, I can't see a lick of difference. Let me know if you
can tell you which channel is which. I won't say until you guess.

One thing is clear though. Certain types of CDs have higher error rates
with certain types of burners. It seems to vary from brand to brand. I've
had a lot of brands give me tons of verification errors when I burn CD
ROMs. The brand I've had most luck with on my LaCie 12x burner is Maxell.
But there appear to be two types of Maxell disks from different plants.
The ones with the solid lines and the granulated surface work better for
me than the ones with dotted lines and matte finish surface. Your results
may vary though...

If you are a technical-head, look at this page...

http://www.digido.com/meadows.html

It lists different burners and how they react to different types
of blanks.

See ya
Steve


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Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 20:14:33 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) CD Longevity

Now I'm (a little bit) worried. Do CD's have a shelf life? Do they actually
at some point "lose" their "information"? What gives? Anyone know? I would be
REALLY pissed off if all the CD's I've finagled, swiped and yes, bought since
1993 (the year I finally gave in) were to eventually "fade" to
nothingness....Was it all really a rekkid company plot to convert? And are we
suckers for buying into it? JB/confused these daze


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Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 00:18:06 -0500
From: Lou Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) i am so disappointed in you people

I mean, why do I have to stumble over sites like http://www.funko.com ? Why
can't one of you let us know that stuff like this exists? Really, what if I
didn't accidentally trip over
http://www.funko.com/nodders/tikigod/nodder.htm or
http://www.funko.com/funkotiki/index.htm ? Can't I count on a "head's-up"
from anyone here??

- -ls




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Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 00:23:44 -0500
From: Ross Orr <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) More geeky stuff

Mo wrote:
>Helped a lot to
>understand what's going on under the surface of the shimmy disc...

Glad at least one person's eyes didn't totally glaze over!

FYI, this page has a pretty complete description of the SACD format:
http://www.superaudio-cd.com/techno.htm

Also, thanks Stephen, for posting about your 10-generation
experiment--interesting stuff.

cheers,
  --Ross

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Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 00:42:58 -0500
From: Lou Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) [obits] a whole bunch of ...

LOS ANGELES (AP) - Animator William T. Hurtz, whose work ranged from assisting
on the 1940 movie classic ``Fantasia'' to supervising TV's ``Rocky and
Friends'' and directing Cap'n Crunch cereal commercials, died Oct. 14 of heart
failure. He was 81.

In 1938, he joined the Walt Disney studios, working as Art Babbitt's assistant
on the dance of the Chinese mushrooms in ``Fantasia.''

After World War II, Hurtz joined the fledgling UPA studio where he designed the
Academy Award-winning short, ``Gerald McBoing-Boing'' (1951). After being
promoted to director, he earned Oscar nominations for ``Man Alive!'' (1952),
made for the American Cancer Society, and an adaptation of James Thurber's
``The Unicorn in the Garden'' (1953).

Hurtz next moved to Shamus Culhane Productions and directed the animation for
three films in Frank Capra's ``Bell Science Series'': ``Hemo the Magnificent''
(1956), ``The Strange Case of the Cosmic Rays'' (1957) and ``The Unchained
Goddess'' (1957).

He joined Jay Ward Productions in 1959 to supervise the early episodes of
``Rocky and Friends.'' He also directed more than 300 Cap'n Crunch cereal
commercials.


MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - Manolo Munoz, a popular Mexican singer accredited as
one of the forefathers of modern rock in Spanish, died Sunday from a stroke,
family members said.

Munoz, 59, was one of a wave of Mexican singers -- including Enrique Guzman,
Angelica Maria, Julissa and Cesar Costa -- who in the 1960s brought U.S. rock
and roll cover songs to Mexico and re-released them in Spanish.

The singer and film-maker released 80 albums in his 42 years in the business
and also made three motion pictures, La Edad de la Violencia (The Age of
Violence), Todos Somos Cobardes (We are all Cowards), and Juventud Desnuda, or
Naked Youth.

In 1985 he was awarded the "Virginia Fabregas" award in recognition of his
contribution to the arts. Munoz was born on 14 March, 1941 in the state of
Jalisco.

The S.F. Chronicle reports the passing of Leo V. Killion, a lawyer and
songwriter who died last Tuesday at the age of 92 in Mill Valley,
California.  His main claim to fame is "The Hut Sut Song", a nonsense
ditty which became a hit in 1941, performed by Dinah Shore and the
Andrews Sisters among others, and is featured in the film "From Here to
Eternity".  Mr. Killion got the idea for the song as a spoof of Swedish
folksongs he heard growing up in Minnesota.

    As an attorney, he was one of the first advocates of "no fault"
insurance in California, and worked as counsel to the California
Legislature in the 1940's.


William Martin Bennett, drummer for the fabled
1960s rock 'n' roll band Sam the Sham and the Pharaohs that rode
the charts with hits like "Wooly Bully" and "Li'l Red Riding Hood,"
died Wednesday of a heart attack at his Sykesville home. He was 56.

Today's online Mirror (UK) says that John Cleese's mother Muriel died a few
hours after her 101st birthday party, in Somerset.  No further information.



Bea Marcus, the commercial actress perhaps best remembered for uttering the
line "I've fallen and I can't get up!" in a TV commercial, died Sept. 18 of
natural causes in a Portland, Ore., nursing home. She was 88.

A former housewife from Queens, New York, she moved to Los Angeles during the
1970s and took up extra work to keep busy. She eventually had speaking parts in
numerous films and TV projects including the commercial for "Life Call," the
24-hour emergency medical response system now called "Lifeline Systems."


ROME (AP) - Leonardo Benvenuti, one of Italy's most prolific and respected film
writers, died Friday of a heart attack at age 77.

He died at Rome's San Giacomo hospital, his longtime writing partner, Piero De
Bernardi, said.

In a career spanning five decades, Benvenuti wrote at least 200 scripts, most
of which were made into films. Bernardi said they were working on a new project
the day Benvenuti died.

Benvenuti's credits include ``Once Upon a Time in America,'' director Sergio
Leone's 1984 epic of gangster life in New York's Lower East Side, and
``Marriage Italian Style,'' a spicy 1964 comedy starring Sophia Loren.

He also acted in several movies and had given free scriptwriting classes to
cinema students in Rome for the last 20 years.

Born in Florence in 1923, Benvenuti joined a theater company right after World
War II, where, at the urging of some friends he started to write film scripts.

His funeral will be Saturday at Rome's Santa Maria del Popolo Church. He is
survived by his wife Cristiana Di Vita and two sons, Roberto and Francesco.




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Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 16:02:54 +0100
From: "Arjan Plug" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Young at Heart Chorus

Listened to the Worldservice yesterday and they had a piece on this
Massachusetts choir, only eligible if you're 70+ apparently. The cover "Lost
in the Supermarket" and "Rock the Casbah" by the Clash... Other repertoire
include "Ghostriders in the Sky", "Stayin' Alive", "Forever Young" and "I
Will Survive",  hmmm. On tour in the UK at the moment I believe.

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Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 12:11:24 -0600
From: "Darrell Brogdon" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Retro Cocktail Hour

This week's Retro Cocktail Hour webcast is a decidedly mixed bag,
from newer tunes by Arling and Cameron, Goblin, Project: Pimento and
Hollywood Party, to classic tracks by Esquivel, Les Baxter and Enoch
Light.

Also, songs by Julie London; spy jazz by Steve Allen, Frank Rothman
(from the new "Morphine Mambo Jazz Club" CD) and Cal Tjader; Latin
spice by Mongo Santamaria, Joe Swingman and Alan Tew; plus a tune
from the "Cowboy Bebop" soundtrack (Anybody know this one?  It's
great!!), and lots more.

To hear The Retro Cocktail Hour right now on the Web, just visit:

http://kanu.ukans.edu/retro.html

Or tune in for the live STEREO webcast tonight (Saturday) at 7:00pm
Central USA Time:

http://kanu.ukans.edu/realaudio/index.htm

This week's CD giveaway at the website -- the new "Mannix" CD,
featuring Lalo Schifrin and the WDR Big Band.

As always, your comments, requests and suggestions are always
welcome.

Thanks for the space!

Darrell Brogdon
Program Director
KANU Radio
Broadcasting Hall
The University of Kansas
Lawrence, KS 66045
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Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 20:08:13 +0100
From: ultrasuoni <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) MONDO EXOTICA-A SPACE AGE POP BOOK FROM ITALY/ADORING THE ENEMY

Hi you all. First of all let me thank all the guys that have purchased
my book "Mondo Exotica". Plastic (www.plastic.it) has started to deliver
the copies and soon you'll get it.

Now my point: don't you think that we ex punks finally managed to come
to terms with the enemy, this being all the music/artists that our
parents and grandparents used to listen to? When in "The Great
Rock'n'Roll Swindle" Sid Vicious executed (by shooting) those middle
class penguins while singing "My Way", many of us felt relieved: Sinatra
- - and through him our moms and dads, the dominating culture - was blown
away forever. Yet, after 25 years we started to adore the Rat Pack and
all the Space Age pop stuff and many of us instigated the revival. What
happened? We simply came to terms with the enemy, turning it upside down
and recontextualizing it a way that suits us (think of the Julie
London/Louis Prima remixes, think of techno and drum'n'bass
appropriating the mambo etc.). Don't you feel free, at last?

francesco adinolfi


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Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 17:07:53 -0500
From: cheryl <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Playlist For Space Bop, November 5

Beyond kitsch, Space Bop is one hour of full galactical wonder, and can
be heard every Sunday from 4 to 5 pm Eastern time on CKUT 90.3 FM in
Montreal, Canada, and on RealAudio (real time only, for now) at:

http://www.ckut.ca

As usual, all comments, questions, and feedback welcome.

Space Bop #116   Duck And Cover

This week, some pretty odd cover versions we've just been waiting to
play.  Very special thanks go out to Gionni, Arjan, Philip, Benito, and
Alan for a lot of these songs, which come from ExoticaRing and other
compilations.

Senor Coconut:  Autobahn  "El Baile Aleman"
Chicks On Speed:  Warm Leatherette  "Will Save Us All!"
Leningrad Cowboys & The Alexandrov Red Army Ensemble:  California Girls
"Total Balalaika Tour"
Johnny Cash:  Wer kennt den Weg (I Walk The Line)  "Really!! They Sing
It In German  Vol. 2"

Montefiori Cocktail:  Theme From Star Wars (Spaghetti Western Version)
"Raccolta N. 2"
Portsmouth Sinfonia:  Telstar  "20 Classic Rock Classics"
Eilart Pilarm:  Hound Dog  "Eilart Is Back"
Anton LaVey:  Honolulu Baby  "Satan Takes A Holiday"

Xavier Cugat:  Mellow Yellow  "The Range Of Now"
Xylos Inc.:  Walk On By  "The Range Of Now"
Joe Scott:  Born To Be Wild  "The Range Of Now"
T. Bones:  Satisfaction  "The Range Of Now"
Florian Zabach:  Music To Watch Girls By  "The Range Of Now"
Buddy Morrow:  She Loves You  "The Range Of Now"

Hollywood Studio Orchestra:  The Pink Panther Theme  "Ultra Lounge
Cocktail Capers"
Balsara & His Singing Sitars:  These Boots Are Made For Walking  "Great
International Hits"
Mrs. Miller:  Up Up And Away  "The Turned On World Of Mrs. Miller"
Martin Denny:  Love Me Tonight  "Exotic Moog"


Thanks for reading, and thanks for listening.


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Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 22:24:05 GMT
From: "james brouwer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) EXOTICA-ADORING THE ENEMY

ultrasuoni wrote:
>
>Now my point: don't you think that we ex punks finally managed to come
>to terms with the enemy, this being all the music/artists that our
>parents and grandparents used to listen to?

I thought the punk enemy was bombastic stadium cock-rock a la Zeppelin and
Frampton; or prog-rock a la Gentle Giant and Yes; or 'introspective'
singer-songwriters a la James Taylor; or epic-rock a la Pink Floyd -- we
can't forget Johnny Rotten's famous "I Hate" that he jiffy-marked on a 'Dark
Side of the Moon' T-shirt, after all. Roger Waters or Frank Sinatra - who'd
the punks hate more? Well, I wasn't there. I don't know. Someone else can
tell me.

What
>happened? We simply came to terms with the enemy, turning it upside down
>and recontextualizing it a way that suits us

Maybe, but a lot of what punks were reacting against, at least musically,
weren't "adored", and certainly don't deserve to be. Not all enemies ought
to be embraced. I hope I don't have to make friends with James Taylor,
Gentle Giant or Peter Frampton. And I hope, in the future, certain enemies
will not be re-embraced by pop's avante garde (as if there'll ever be such a
thing -- "no future!" indeed): Celine Dion and Moxie Fruvos ought to be
enemies for years to come... I hope.

it's still just two-cents worth and, incidentally, I don't hate Floyd or
Zeppelin.

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Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 18:45:12 -0500
From: alan  zweig <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) MONDO EXOTICA-A SPACE AGE POP BOOK FROM ITALY/ADORING THE ENEMY

At 08:08 PM 11/4/00 +0100, ultrasuoni wrote:
>
>Now my point: don't you think that we ex punks finally managed to come
>to terms with the enemy, this being all the music/artists that our
>parents and grandparents used to listen to?

Grandparents?  I think you've shifted this whole thing a generation or so.
It's not a big deal; it doesn't much affect your general theory here.   But
this feels like some Gen X vs Baby boomer thing.  In my mind, if you're an
ex punk, that makes you a baby boomer, in which case you don't think of
this as your grandparents music.
But be that as it may...

When in "The Great
>Rock'n'Roll Swindle" Sid Vicious executed (by shooting) those middle
>class penguins while singing "My Way", many of us felt relieved: Sinatra
>- and through him our moms and dads, the dominating culture - was blown
>away forever.

Hmm.  Again, I think we basically agree.  But I always thought the Sid
Vicious My Way thing was a sendup of punk and of himself, not of Sinatra.
Actually I think it's more complicated than that.  It's hard to tell what
Sid himself thought he was doing there, which is one of the things that
always made that whole scene so compelling for me.  Then again, I was
around 25 at the time.  Maybe if I'd been 16, I would have understood more.

Yet, after 25 years we started to adore the Rat Pack and
>all the Space Age pop stuff and many of us instigated the revival.
>What happened? We simply came to terms with the enemy, turning it upside
>down and recontextualizing it a way that suits us...

If I'm understanding you correctly, you seem to be calling The Rat Pack and
all that "the dominating culture".  If that's the theory, I don't see it
that way.
I grew up in the sixties somewhat frustrated by the apparent stranglehold
the Rat Pack and their buddies had on the culture.  I liked their movies.
I liked their devil-may-care attitude.  I just hated their music.  And I
particularly hated how they put down "my" music.
But I don't think they were the dominating culture.  I think they were
always playing catch-up with the Beatles and the rest of the rock culture.
They did everything they could to get back on top but it never could happen.
Whenever I put on a crooner LP now, I remember Lionel Cohen, one of my
schoolmates who tried to tell us that Sinatra and Tony Bennett were
actually great singers when we were obsessed with the Doors or whoever. We
just felt sorry for Lionel.
And no, I don't think in retrospect that Lionel was cool.  He was not cool.
He never grew his hair long. I don't even think he smoked dope.
He liked his parents' music.  That was uncool.  And thus it could never be
the dominating culture.
Now as to how "we" started to like this Rat Pack stuff and all the stuff
that surrounded it, like exotica and lounge...
I think it has to do with finding out that in a lot of cases, the people
you thought were cool, were no cooler than the supposedly uncool.  Finding
out that the records you loved in the sixties were produced and arranged
and created by some of the same people behind the records you hated.
It's obviously more complicated than that but if you've seen the rock
cycles come around enough times, you start to see behind the curtain.  And
you begin to see that it's almost all manufactured.
So the idea of "rock credibility" is brought into question.
And then what's good is good, what you like is what you like.  And if Tony
Bennett is singing a song you love, that's all there is to it.
Then there's the fact that there are way more of these records at the
thrift stores than anything else except eighties rock.

AZ





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