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exotica-digest        Monday, October 30 2000        Volume 02 : Number 829



In This Digest:

(exotica) Papa M (was Slint)
Re: (exotica) jazz
(exotica) ebay
(exotica) Wanderley, Peterson
(exotica) Raymond Scott update 11/00
Re: (exotica) Wanderley, Peterson
(exotica) re: in the mood for love
(exotica) Just how good are things when you're downtown?
Re: (exotica) Just how good are things when you're downtown?
(exotica) Don Ralke and Bongos
RE: (exotica) Just how good are things when you're downtown?
(exotica) Why Exotica?
Re: (exotica) Papa M (was Slint)
Re: (exotica) ebay
Re: (exotica) Wanderley, Peterson
(exotica) why Slint on Exotica?
RE: (exotica) Papa M (was Slint)
Re: (exotica) Why Exotica?
(exotica) correction: "Fantastica" webcast: THURSDAY, not Tuesday
Re: (exotica) Why Exotica?
Re: (exotica) Don Ralke and Bongos
(exotica) Re: Slint
(exotica) jazz/easy listening

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Date: 29 Oct 2000 20:12:48 -0800
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Subject: (exotica) Papa M (was Slint)

And if you like Slint and into quiet music you should get everything the guitar player from Slint (David Pajo) has made after that. Aerial M is extremely good, and they have one full length and several Eps.

And this years's Papa M is sooooooo good. I think it's probably the best record I've bought this year. It reminds me of that feeling you have when you go to sleep and you are not yet asleep but almost, and you have these weird pseudo-dreams, simple and complex and the same time... Mmm. Just writing about it has made me want to listen to it again.

And going back to an old topic (the one about exotica and racism)... I just saw this film Woman on top and I really felt kinda insulted by it. There are so many times when Hollywood doesn't care about facts and just invents things up... are they stupid or what? Don't they know that they are making films for a global audience?

It reminded me of Spielberg's Amistad where he had some 18th century Spanish sailors speaking Spanish with a heavy English accent. It is something that is not very important and that could be solved by anyone who has heard people speaking other languages... This lack of care just pisses me off... And in this Woman on top film you have a Spanish actress playing a Brazilian. And, let me tell you... There are HUGE differences between a Spaniard and a Brazilian. And she didn't even learned any portuguese... Sometimes I really hate Hollywood films...

Bye,
Manuel
P.S. And about Nat King Cole's Esos ojos verdes... I'm sure you can get them here (in Colombia). I asked in a couple of small record stores but they didn't have it. Maybe in a bigger one they will...

It was strange seeing that film because in the middle of this honkonese love story in comes this song in Spanish that rings all kinds of bells for people who have been in contact with popular culture in Latin America. And it is in the middle of this very alien film... It just goes to show that this global world sometimes has some very strange mixes...


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Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 23:18:10 -0500
From: alan  zweig <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) jazz

>At 11:51 AM 10/25/00 -0700, F. Cobalt wrote:
>>
>>Speaking of having to work while listening to jazz versus not having to
>work as hard while listening to easy listening, that's what's great about
>crime jazz! It's pretty effort-free listening as jazz goes

Oh speaking of crime jazz...
I've been making my Mancini CDR's this weekend...
Which is tough since so many of my Mancini records are in such lousy shape.
 It's a complaint I have with Mancini records.  A tribute to the fact that
people actually played them, unlike so many of the records we like.
But anyway, if you can find one in good shape, a great crime jazz record -
except that it wasn't made to support a particular film - is "The Mancini
Touch".
"Combo" isn't bad also, for a similar feel,  but the tunes aren't as good
as on Touch.  "The Blues and the Beat" is also pretty good for that
sound.(and also my copy is crappy.  But it's the "Touch" that satisfies.
I might even have to find it on CD, that's how much I like it.
AZ

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Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 23:18:11 -0500
From: alan  zweig <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) ebay

Will someone please remind me that when you figure in shipping charges and
exchange rate, that every record costs at least 15 dollars more than the
"apparent" price???  I should put up a sign to that effect.
The Ventures record I "won" for 7.99 is costing me 18 dollars Canadian and
the guy I won it from lives in the same country as me, about a hundred
miles away.
The three records I was "lucky" enough to win from the same guy for a
quarter, a quarter and a dollar, are going to cost me about 16 dollars.
The Bobby Troup record I bid on as a romantic gesture for four dollars is
going to cost me almost twenty dollars because this guy charges a couple of
bucks for actually going to the post office with your record.
Aarrgghh!
Luckily I'm still about even since that guy sent me 130 dollars for that
worthless record I found at the Goodwill.  But that's not the point!
Somebody stop me!

AZ



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Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 23:32:35 -0500 (EST)
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Subject: (exotica) Wanderley, Peterson

>If a man spells his name B-L-A-C-K and pronounces it
W-H-I-T-E, the man's name is White. My suggestion: Go right to the horse and ask the source..he'll
give us the answer that we endorse...JB


Alas, Walter died in the early 80s.
I have a couple of his suits, though.
Honestly.  I bought them on ebay, and they fit as well.  Sorry, this seemed like a rare opportunity to boast to people who actually know who he was.

'Wanderley' doesn't sound much like a Brazilian name, does it.....  But then again, neither did 'Baden Powell'.  It's so rare that I ever talk to people out loud about Walter that I've never thought about it before...

Jonny

ps. bought 'motions and emotions', a fantastic Oscar Peterson LP the other day - German release on MPS with orchestrations by Claus Ogermann.  Highly recommended.

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Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 23:53:25 -0500
From: "Irwin Chusid/Raymond Scott Archives" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Raymond Scott update 11/00

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
RAYMOND SCOTT  NEWS UPDATE
         -- NOVEMBER 2000 --
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

#  ELVIS COSTELLO FETES RAYMOND SCOTT

#  RAYMOND SCOTT ORCHESTRETTE
    4-Month 'Residency' at Fez, NYC, begins Dec. 15

#  JEAN-JACQUES PERREY PAYS TRIBUTE
    TO RAYMOND SCOTT'S OVERLOOKED LEGACY

#  Plus: - POWERHOUSE on the "CAMPAIGN" TRAIL
           - MANHATTAN RESEARCH INC.
           - RAYMOND SCOTT MUSIC ON CD
           - AMBROSE & ORCHESTRA PLAY SCOTT


* * * * * * *

ELVIS COSTELLO'S 'BEST OF THE BEST'

Elvis Costello compiled his all-time favorite ''albums essential for a
happy life'' in the November 2000 VANITY FAIR magazine.  Mr. Costello
included two Raymond Scott collections: RECKLESS NIGHTS AND TURKISH
TWILIGHTS (featuring the Raymond Scott Quintette), and MANHATTAN
RESEARCH INC. (electronic 1950s-60s).

Mr. Costello also cited ''Limbo: The Organized Mind'' as one of his
favorite tracks from MANHATTAN RESEARCH INC.

   A clip of "Limbo" can be heard here:
   http://RaymondScott.com/sound

* * * * * * *

#  RAYMOND SCOTT ORCHESTRETTE @ FEZ DEC. 15

The Raymond Scott Orchestrette, which performs modernistic
arrangements of Scott tunes, begins a residency at Fez on Friday, Dec.
15. The once-a-month residency runs through March, 2001, and will
feature special guests, new arrangements, and surprises at each show.

The RSO consists of Wayne Barker (piano, arrangements); Brian Dewan
(electric zither, piano, accordion, koto, electronics); Michael Hashim
(saxes); Will Holshouser (accordion, arrangements); George Rush
(bass); Rob Thomas (violin); and Clem Waldmann (drums).

NOTE: Our pianist/emcee extraordinaire, Wayne Barker, is on tour with
Dame Edna Everage, and will miss the Fez gigs. Filling in on piano for
the December and January engagements will be Deidre Rodman, while Neil
Kirkwood will sit in during February and March.

RAYMOND ORCHESTRETTE STUDIO DEMO

The RSO has recorded an 8-tune album demo and is seeking interested
record labels. Inquiries: Irwin Chusid <[e-mail]>

     Visit the RSO info page:
     http://RaymondScott.com/orchette.html
     includes two audio files

* * * * * * *

#  MANHATTAN RESEARCH, INC. (MRI)
   2-CD set of Raymond Scott unreleased electronica

MANHATTAN RESEARCH, INC., the 2-CD edition of Raymond Scott's
unreleased electronic recordings released earlier this year by Basta,
continues to garner extraordinary press coverage. MRI features over
two hours of archival Scott recordings from the 1950s and '60s,
performed on such RS inventions as the Electronium, Clavivox, Circle
Machine (early sequencer), Rhythm Modulator, Bass-Line Generator, and
Bandito the Bongo Artist. The album includes collaborative works with
Jim Henson, and comes packaged in a 144-page book.

MRI is available from Amazon.com::
amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00004SYD6/raymondscottcom/

Jeff Winner and Irwin Chusid have collaborated on a lengthy article
chronicling Scott's electronic music legacy for the December 2000
issue of Electronic Musician magazine (an analog *print* publication),
which should hit newsstands in mid-November.

* * * * * * *

#  POWERHOUSE ON THE "CAMPAIGN" TRAIL

Raymond Scott's "Powerhouse" can currently be heard in a series of
anti-smoking TV spots in a campaign produced for The Truth, funded by
The American Legacy Foundation.

The 60-second spot can be downloaded and viewed
at RaymondScott.com: http://RaymondScott.com/News.html

(The message of this ad campaign does not necessarily reflect the
views of the Raymond Scott Archives, its Advisory Staff, or the
publisher of "Powerhouse.")

* * * * * * *

#  LETTER FROM JEAN-JACQUES PERREY

The release of MANHATTAN RESEARCH INC. prompted the following written
appreciation of Raymond Scott by French electronic music pioneer
Jean-Jacques Perrey (reprinted with permission):

"When my friend Dana Countryman kindly gave me the MANHATTAN RESEARCH
INC. 2-CD set in Paris recently, I had no idea that a lot of memories
from the year 1960 would come back to me while listening to this
music, and reading this fantastic book.

"In 1960, a few weeks after I arrived in the United States for the
very first time, my sponsor Carroll Bratman decided to import
Ondiolines from France to the U.S., and he asked me to demonstrate the
Ondioline to Raymond Scott at Scott's studio. Carroll told me that
this man was a very talented composer and was experimenting with new
electronic music instruments that he had invented. And he added, "He
is the composer of the tune 'The Toy Trumpet.'"  So, I was very
impressed, since that was my first contact with a well-known musician
in the U.S., just arriving from Europe with all my hopes and projects.

"We were very welcomed at Raymond Scott's studio (or should I say a
"laboratory" instead!) and he was very enthusiastic about the
Ondioline. He wanted one and it arrived after a few weeks.

"By the way, you can see a photo of his Ondioline (after being
modified -- with it's outer case removed) on page 77 in the MANHATTAN
RESEARCH INC. book, just to the right of Scott. That's why this album
has reminded me so much of my first weeks in New York City.

"I must say that I have been very enthusiastic about this album for
many reasons. First of all, for Raymond Scott himself. This man was a
true genius, deserving to be classified among the great pioneers of
electronic music for his contributions to this domain. He deserves to
be named in the history books, alongside of electronic musical
instrument inventors such as Theremin, Pechadre, Trautwein, Harold
Bode, Hugh le Caine, Givelet, Maurice Martenot, Georges Jenny, Bob
Moog, and more to come.

"Secondly, Raymond Scott composed a lot of music for radio and TV
commercials which were very successful. He recorded with his own
instruments (Clavivox, Electronium, etc.) and did his own composing on
them. When I hear the two CDs contained in this Basta compilation, I
am amazed of the versatility of his talent, creativity, originality,
and imagination.

"Thirdly, I want to pay tribute to Basta for putting such a wonderful
album on the market, with a very serious documentary book full of
interesting information, and in such a high-quality artistic package.
MANHATTAN RESEARCH INC. is a work of art which should be found in the
record collections of all present-day electronic music composers. It
also should be used as scholarly reference material.

"Thank you, to have dared to issue an album of such quality. BRAVO!"

Jean-Jacques Perrey
Evian, France
October, 2000

* * * * * * *

#  RAYMOND SCOTT MUSIC commercially available:
   For easy purchasing links for the following RS-related CDs, go to:
   http://RaymondScott.com/SDisc.html

RECKLESS NIGHTS AND TURKISH TWILIGHTS
    (Sony Legacy, US;  Basta, everywhere else)
    1937-1939 original RS Quintette recordings, including
    most melodies immortalized in Warner Bros. cartoons

SOOTHING SOUNDS FOR BABY (3 volumes, Basta)
   Scott's 1963 electronic lullabies for children of *all* ages;
   spooky minimalism and otherworldly ambient sounds
   predating Glass, Riley, Eno, Kraftwerk

MANHATTAN RESEARCH INC. (2 CDs, 144-page book, Basta)
   All-electronic works from 1950s-60s (see above)

THE CHESTERFIELD ARRANGEMENTS (Basta)
   The METROPOLE ORCHESTRA with the Beau Hunks Saxtette
   Newly recorded orchestral arrangements of 17 Scott Quintet
   titles performed in "Cecil B. DeMille-like proportions"

THE BEAU HUNKS SEXTETTE (Basta)
   CELEBRATION ON THE PLANET MARS
      1994 recordings of classic RSQ repertoire
   MANHATTAN MINUET
      1996 recordings of more classic RSQ repertoire

BUG MUSIC (Nonesuch)
    Don Byron's project features six Scott Quintette titles,
    along with vintage Ellington and overlooked John Kirby tunes

CARTOON MEDLEY CD (Rhino)
   Themes from the Cartoon Network, including two new
   arrangements of Scott's classic "Powerhouse"

* * * * * * *

#  AMBROSE PLAYS RAYMOND SCOTT

[Raymond Scott fan Jack Slagle writes:]

"The British label AVID has released a 2-CD set of recordings by
perhaps the most virtuosic UK big band of the 1930s, Ambrose and his
Orchestra. The compilation, entitled SWING IS IN THE AIR, includes
superb arrangements of the following Raymond Scott compositions:

   Twilight in Turkey
   Toy Trumpet
   Powerhouse
   The Penguin
   War Dance for Wooden Indians

"Several of the album's other tracks were composed and arranged by Sid
Phillips, an underrated musician not well known in the US, but who
obviously admired Raymond Scott. Phillips' imaginative and colorful
pieces are stylistically very similar to Scott's, including the comic
titles: "Mr. Reynard's Nightmare," "Voodoo," "Streamline Strut," and
"The Wedding of the Sophisticated Dutch Doll." All are played with
tight perfection by Ambrose's Orchestra. An additional bonus is the
top-notch remastering by AVID on these 60-year old recordings.

"To get info on this CD, click on the following link and check out New
Releases: http://www.avidgroup.co.uk. I purchased my copy by mail
through Worlds Records in Novato, CA. [phone].

"Perhaps someone could persuade the Beau Hunks and the Metropole
Orchestra to try some of these arrangements? They would sound
wonderful in stereo!"

[Editor's note:]
SWING IS IN THE AIR can also be purchased from Amazon.com:
amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00004TWKB/raymondscottcom/


* * * * * * *

This mailing list has been compiled from those who have inquired about
RAYMOND SCOTT over the years. Occasional news about RS will be issued,
but this list will not be given to *anyone* for *any* reason. Let us
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Best regards,
Irwin Chusid
Director, Raymond Scott Archives
<[e-mail]>

_____________________________________

Visit the Raymond Scott website
      http://RaymondScott.com
created and maintained by Jeff Winner
     <[e-mail]>
_____________________________________
_____________________________________

AND, on a nearly unrelated note, Irwin Chusid's recent Outsider Music
book and CD are available. For full info:
   SONGS IN THE KEY OF Z:
   THE CURIOUS UNIVERSE OF OUTSIDER MUSIC
       http://www.keyofz.com/




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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 00:09:20 -0500
From: "Risser Family" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Wanderley, Peterson

Huh.

I think I know  a chick we could all ask who would know for sure.

Anyone know BJ's number?

Peter


- ----- Original Message ----- > Alas, Walter died in the early 80s.
> I have a couple of his suits, though.
> Honestly.  I bought them on ebay, and they fit as well.  Sorry, this
seemed like a rare opportunity to boast to people who actually know who he
was.





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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:03:31 +0800
From: "william" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) re: in the mood for love

i have to say i am super jealous that you have seen this. as it appears that
it is playing here with no english subtitles. only chinese ones.:( however
some of the older wong kar-wai movies have been on tv here recently.
"chunking express" and "happy together" just in the last week. yesterday i
saw the "regular" version of the soundtrack to "in the mood for love" that
appears to be  packed with postcards. i plan to pick it up in the future
just to see how it differs from the big packaging i got. i supspect this one
with the postcards(they appear to be postcards at least) will be the one
most likely to show up in chinatowns elsewhere.

             william in taipei.

> I saw this movie last week - as usual, Wong Kar Wai's movies have
> incredible music.  Visually, it's a beautiful film, fairly slow-moving,
> but captivating.  And, of course, the different sorts of music reflect
> the moods of the film, and what is happening.  The Nat King Cole music
> is played when the two lead actors are together, often at an
> American-style restaurant, and it really is incredible - I wonder if
> those pieces are readily available elsewhere.
>
> The info on the music is very enlightening - it's too bad I didn't know
> all of this before I saw the film - it does explain a lot, although it
> can be appreciated in retrospect too.
>
> I haven't seen the soundtrack here, although the film hasn't even been
> commercially released here yet, so who knows...
>
> cheryl
>




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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 07:59:19 -0400
From: Brian Phillips <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Just how good are things when you're downtown?

Charles Moseley asked how the "Sound of Tony Hatch" album was.  Well,
finally having listened to all of it, it's OK.  Alan Zweig makes mention of
his affinity for easy listening and much of this album falls into that
category.  Some of it gets to what I used to call "super-charged Pop", not
quite Rock, not quite Pop ala the Serendipity Singers, which is the stuff I
prefer, such as his renditions of "Sugar and Spice" and "I Know a
Place".  There are no vocals on this album.  Is it worth getting?  Yes, but
don't pay too much (I paid nine dollars).

What I forgot about is the other record that I got that I found, which is
"The Savage, Sensuous Sound of Bongos" by Don Ralke.  The back of the
record says, "It's Bongos! by Don Ralke" (I wonder if he invented the
Internet...).  King Kini has or had this one and I suspect Darrell Brogdon
does, too and it is one of the titles that I don't recall anyone
mentioning.  It's a great one, not a bad cut on it.  It is a great
collection of tuned and non-tuned percussion.

Don Ralke, was one of the great chameleons of music in the 50's and
60's.  This record features the second version of "Saoco" I have heard,
which is very good, indeed.  The other one is on the "Cuba Classics 2:
Dancing With the Enemy" comp on Luaka Bop, which is also
fantastic.  "Saoco" is Latin-sounding as "Jennie Lee" by Jan and Dean (they
were backed by "Don Ralke's Music" is Pop-sounding).

If you see it, git it!  Git it, na-yow!

Inner sleeves.  Hoo-ray for inner sleeves!  On it, I saw an album called
"Powerhouse" by Buddy Cole.  How is that one?  Surely, it must be better
than another album I saw on another sleeve:  game show host Bill Cullen's
"Minstrel Show Songs" album (fortunately, not in blackface on the front).

Favorite Liner Notes of the moment: Dave Brubeck's "Bossa Nova,
U.S.A.".  Describing the Teo Macero song, "Curacao Sensival":

"For this song, I'm going to let Teo Macero speak for himself."
"Thanks, Dave," says Teo Macero.

*Thump*, "Ohh!",

Brian Phillips





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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 08:23:45 -0500
From: alan  zweig <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Just how good are things when you're downtown?

At 07:59 AM 10/30/00 -0400, Brian Phillips wrote:
>
>Charles Moseley asked how the "Sound of Tony Hatch" album was.  Well,
>finally having listened to all of it, it's OK.   Some of it gets to what I
used to call "super-charged Pop", not
>quite Rock, not quite Pop ala the Serendipity Singers, which is the stuff I
>prefer, such as his renditions of "Sugar and Spice" and "I Know a
>Place".  There are no vocals on this album

I love Tony Hatch.  The Burt Bacharach of Britain.  I'm surprised Charles -
being British and all  -would ask about that one.  Then again maybe he
doesn't have every British record, just like he doesn't know every British
person.
Anyway I had this.  And if I wasn't on a major purge, I would have kept it.
 But I only allowed myself to keep one so I kept "Beautiful in the Rain"
because it has that amazing version of "An Occasional Man".
How is it?  Not as good as "Beautiful in the Rain" or the "Latin Tony
Hatch" but better than most records by people who aren't Tony Hatch.
Interesting terminology there Brian Philips (two can play at this name game).
What you're calling "super charged pop" is what I call "NOW Sound".  Tony
Hatch is pretty well at the epicentre of the Now Sound for me.  It's
instrumental pop music that doesn't rock but does groove.
Now I feel bad that I got rid of that Tony record.  (But I have it on CDR
somewhere around here....)

>What I forgot about is the other record that I got that I found, which is
>"The Savage, Sensuous Sound of Bongos" by Don Ralke.  The back of the
>record says, "It's Bongos! by Don Ralke"

Unless there's another record with Bongos and Don Ralke, I "won" this on
ebay weeks ago for a couple of bucks (plus a thousand for shipping) and it
has been on its way to my house supposedly ever since.  The guy warned me
against going surface mail but this is getting ridiculous.  (And believe it
or not I'm about to send the same guy more money.)
Anyway if Brian Philips says this is good, I'm looking forward to it even
more than I was.

AZ



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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 07:55:38 -0600
From: "Darrell Brogdon" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Don Ralke and Bongos

> What I forgot about is the other record that I got that I found,
>which is "The Savage, Sensuous Sound of Bongos" by Don
>Ralke.  The back of the record says, "It's Bongos! by Don Ralke"
>It's a great one, not a bad cut on it.  It is a great collection of
>tuned and non-tuned percussion.

I second that!  One of the GREAT bongo records.  My copy is
mono; I'd love to find it in stereo.

> Unless there's another record with Bongos and Don Ralke

Don Ralke did other bongo records besides "The Savage and
Sensuous".  There was "But You've Never Heard Gershwin with
Bongos" for Warner Bros., and "Bongo Madness" for one of the fly-
by-night labels--Crown, I think it was.  The Gershwin record is just
what the title says, Gershwin standards with a bongo beat.
"Bongo Madness" is small group stuff, much more in the vein of
"Savage and Sensuous".

And wasn't he also involved in "Jazz Heat, Bongo Beat"?  Don't
remember if he gets credit on the album, but I seem to recall
somebody mentioning he was in there.

FYI, on "Bongo Madness", his last name is spelled with an accent
mark on the "e" in Ralke.  What's up with that?


Darrell Brogdon
Program Director
KANU FM 91.5
Broadcasting Hall
The University of Kansas
Lawrence KS 66045
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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 14:51:25 -0000
From: Charles Moseley <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) Just how good are things when you're downtown?

Tony Hatch's Sound of the 70s is the excellent Tony Hatch LP that I own,
with a couple of very groovy tunes on it that appear on the exoticaring
CD I did which is knocking around somewhere (although I haven't heard
anything about it for a while).

Charlie

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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 11:29:15 -0400
From: Ross Orr <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Why Exotica?

Alan wrote:
>The main reason I switched from [ X ] to easy listening was because the
>records were way cheaper and also way less predictable.

That nails it! These are exactly the reasons I got into exotica.

(In my case, let X="World Music.")

cheers,
  --Ross

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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 07:34:12 PST
From: "jonathan richardson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Papa M (was Slint)

>And if you like Slint


And how can we forget the band Codeine. They were the band that led me to
Slint and all that slo-core stuff. They are right up there with Slint both
slow dynamic and highly melodic. I think that they might have been an
influence on bands like Mogwai, early Arab Strap and some of those other
Scottish bands that seem to have lifted the slocore schtick from us. Their
album Frigid Stars (Sub Pop) is a classic. I think its OOP at the moment,
but can be found used everywhere. Doug Scharin was in this band which pops
it directly in the Tortoise/Chicago family tree.

why, although I love this stuff, are we talking about this on the exotica
list? I find it interesting that so many of us on this list are into it. Is
there some kind of connection??? is it an age thing (me being in my early
30s) or is there an "exotic" connection somewhere. Lets ponder this for a
moment shall we?

- -jonny
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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 15:40:38 GMT
From: "james brouwer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) ebay

AZ wrote

>Luckily I'm still about even since that guy sent me 130 dollars for >that
>worthless record I found at the Goodwill

what "worthless"(?) record was that? and I hope you didn't find it at that
"by the pound" Goodwill outlet on Adelaide st., 'cause I go there all the
time and get nuthin'. But a 130 bucks - very good!

do tell
jb

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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 07:43:14 PST
From: "jonathan richardson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Wanderley, Peterson

>Anyone know BJ's number?


I think its-

1-800-WALTERRULESOVERALL

talk about a subject string killer!! **ahem**

- -jonny samba

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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:04:09 GMT
From: "james brouwer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) why Slint on Exotica?

Mr. J. Yuma wrote

>why, although I love this stuff, are we talking about this on the exotica
>list? I find it interesting that so many of us on this list are into it. Is
>there some kind of connection??? is it an age thing (me being in my early
>30s) or is there an "exotic" connection somewhere. Lets ponder this for a
>moment shall we?

I don't think there's a strong connection musically between exotica and
bands like Slint, Mogwai and GSYBE!; although I'm sure one could make a case
for minor similarities here and there. I think it is because virtually all
of us on this list arrived at exotica after a devoting ourselves to a long
and winding road of other musical styles. You don't really chuck that out
when you become interested in exotica. I didn't at least. I'd consider it
odd if one only listened to exotica, or whose first introduction to the joy
of music was exotica. So I guess it's related to an age thing (I'm in my
early 30's too) and the fact that at our age there's a lot of other music
besides exotica per se that has and does command our interest. So you
mention Slint or related present-day ilk like GSYBE! and it strikes a chord.
speaking of chord-striking, I'll have to track down some Codeine. never
heard them before.

just a humble opinion for the day.
jb
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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 08:24:36 -0800
From: "Benito Vergara" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) Papa M (was Slint)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of jonathan
> richardson
> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 7:34 AM

> why, although I love this stuff, are we talking about this on the exotica
> list? I find it interesting that so many of us on this list are
> into it. Is
> there some kind of connection??? is it an age thing (me being in my early
> 30s) or is there an "exotic" connection somewhere.

Well, this whole "post-rock" thread got started with GYBE, who are
Morricone-like in parts, I'd say.

Maybe that's why I've never really quite warmed up to GYBE. But I've never
been able to put my finger on it. I do know, however, that "The Dead Flag
Blues" off "f#a#oo" is a *magnificent* track. There's an edited version of
the piece on a cheap Kranky compilation somewhere out there and even the
shortened version is excellent.

One can play Six Degrees of Dave Pajo pretty easily, as he seems to have
played in (or guested with) a whole slew of folks (Slint, of course, and
Tortoise, Stereolab, Will Oldham, etc.).

Later,
Ben

np: bernhard gunter, "un peu de neige salie" (trying hard to hear it over
the hum of the computer)

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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 18:28:51 +0100
From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Why Exotica?

Ross Orr schrieb:

> Alan wrote:
> >The main reason I switched from [ X ] to easy listening was because the
> >records were way cheaper and also way less predictable.
>
> That nails it! These are exactly the reasons I got into exotica.

I got into it, because I liked it better than anything I had heard before.

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Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 19:42:28 +0100
From: Johan Dada Vis <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) correction: "Fantastica" webcast: THURSDAY, not Tuesday

"Fantastica" closes THURSDAY'S program schedule, and not Tuesday's as
i wrote yesterday.

         Johan

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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 13:00:54 -0600
From: Matthew Marchese <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Why Exotica?

Moritz R wrote:

>
> I got into it, because I liked it better than anything I had heard before.

The drinks were a lot better too.

- --
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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 11:11:57 -0800
From: "Brian Linds" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Don Ralke and Bongos

Here's my addition top the Don ralke catalogue. Introspection IV - Wierdos
From The Uncommon World of Johnny Gunn With The OUtre Musical Sounds Of Don
Ralke . Ken Nordineish coffee house tales. Musicians include. Milt
Raskin/Shelly Mane/Marshall Cram/Plas Johnson/Buddy Collette/Ed Kusby/Howard
Roberts/Larry Bunker. It's way cool!!!
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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 19:29:37 +0000
From: dan hill <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re: Slint

have you heard stuff by "the for carnation", featuring brian mcmahon
out of slint? completely brilliant imho.
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/3252/

cheers,
d.

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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 13:18:04 -0800 (PST)
From: chuck <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) jazz/easy listening

I'm into easy listening because I've always been into easy
listening and not realized it.   When I was a little guy and my
aunt gave me her album collection.  Quiet Village stood out.  So
did Xavier Cugat's "Blen Blen Blen with the great Miguelito Valdez
on vocals,  and Big Band Swing, especially Lionel Hampton"s "Jivin
the Vibes" and her Perez Prado album.  Now it was easy to find
Cugat & Prado,  I thrifted them in the 1970's.  Big band I bought
my fill.

Quiet Villiage was another story.  I thought it was a fluke, until
one day in the mid/late 1970s in a good record store I saw a Martin
Denny section mixed with the rock artists.  There I saw the
"Exotic" album and admired the cover and thought there were 2
exotica records.  I associated Denny with Pink Floyd's UmmaGumma
back then.  They both seemed Exotic.  Then I had this Space album,
"Journey To Infinity"  with Dr Weiner Von Braun announcing
"ROCKETS"   Television commercials and tv show themes seemed like
heavenly music to me so I bought the TVToon lps and thought I had
it all.  Then Com Ed came out, and Bar None released Esquivel and I
punched in the words Space Age Bachelor Pad, got on the Exotica
list and started thrifting and buying tons of cds and now I Cannot
imagine life without easy listening/exotica.

The easy listening genre for me is all things in 1970 record stores
that wasn't listed under pop/rock, jazz, classical or country. When
I finally got immerseded fully in easy listening/exotic I was
jolted! The feeling a good moog album brings out was a new
exprience.  The Peter Thomas Orchestra wowed me.  Now sounds amazed
me.  Italian sound tracks. Las Vegas Grind! This was and continues
to be a more exciting and surprising genre of music (exotica with a
small "e" ) than any I have experienced.  Not that jazz isn't truly
 a breathtaking genre with Miles early 70 music, the fusion of
Weather Report, modal.  I had a jazz period still have maybe 400
lps/cds.

I think I would have gotten into exotica sooner if I would have
known it was there.  I went through music back then with blinders
on.  I could argue that listening to exotica/easy listening is the
most diversified variety of music ever imagined.  In 1970 I still
think that the easy listening/sound track  sections of record
stores were over 50 per cent of the store.  Exotica with a small e
now  occupies over 50 per cent of my collection and that seems to
make sense.

My palette has been over whelmed with easy listening/exotica.
There has just been so many new genres of easy listening and so
many thrifts and new releases that my palette is numbed.  I find
easy listening much more engaging than modern soft pop.  When I
want to chill, I look for a modern soft pop band on Siesta or
Marina.

Recently I successfully chilled to "Moshi Moshi, Pop International
Style" a rather new comp of various modern soft pop bands.  I
highly recommend this.  I laughed when I finally saw "Hi Fidelity"
this weekend and the store owner was chilling to Belle and
Sebastian, who are a truely great soft pop experience for the jaded
palette!

Easy listening in the Big Easy
Chuck


- --- alan  zweig <[e-mail]> wrote:
But like I said, it's been five years now in which this is
> virtually all I've listened to.  My palette must be clean by now.
 Maybe it's been cleaned down to the bone and there's nothing there
for new music to stick to.



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