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Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:57:05 -0700
From: "Stephen W. Worth" <bigshot@spumco.com>
Subject: (exotica) CD rips aren't the same as original
Hi gang,
I've had some disturbing experiences with CD rips lately. I thought
that a ripped and burned CD was an exact duplicate of the original,
but now I'm beginning to wonder. I've found that there appears to
be a subtle generation loss. My copy sounds slightly different than
the original. I don't know if it's caused by the ripping... (I use
Peak for the Macintosh) or by burning (I've got a LaCie burner).
I've even detected slight differences on burns of the exact same
digital audio files using different brands of CD blanks... Has
anyone else noticed this?
I'm going to rip and burn a song ten times and see if I can make
the generation loss really bad to prove it. I'll let you all know
what I find.
See ya
Steve
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Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 23:11:50 +0200
From: Moritz R <r@derplan.com>
Subject: Re: (exotica) disco & hi-nrg
chuck wrote:
> One of the things I once read about
> and noticed in hi-nrg is that each song somewhere near the middle
> has a part where the music stops and goes to a screeching high.
> Something to do with the amal nitrate popular on the dance floors
> back than. Still hard to believe.
Was that "poppers"? Could be. Would fit timewise. I never tried it. The drug
became popular in Brazil with a song by Rita Lee called "Lanca Perfume" (sic!)
Mo
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Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 08:20:52 +1000
From: Philip Jackson <pdj@mpx.com.au>
Subject: Re: (exotica) cage's napster silence
on 3/10/00 3:04 AM, Robert McKenna at rmckenna@hotmail.com wrote:
> The first
> performance occurred in a concert hall open at the back in the middle of a
> forest so the noise of the birds etc. was present before the whispering,
> giggling and talking. A performance of 4'33" is an invitation to listen to
> sound as if for the first time.
I have a recording of this piece where some wag plays piano in a rehearsal
room behind the stage in the middle of one of the movements - clearly
audible to the audience in the concert hall!
Philip
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Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 14:23:48 -0700
From: Brett Dunst <brett@newdream.net>
Subject: Re: (exotica) CD rips aren't the same as original
Something like this is usually the fault of the drive you use to rip the audio.
I once had a Ricoh and it would rip audio from the right channel
ever-so-slighty louder from the left channel than the right. At first I
thought it was just me, but a quick checking of newsgroups confirmed my
suspicions. The Ricoh drive was just a POS.
If you stick with Yamaha or Plextor drives, you should be ok.
It's generally best to use CD burners to rip audio as opposed to regular
'CD-ROM' drives as they tend to give the most accurate
results. Usually. In particular, SCSI burners are better-able to get
synchronized with whatever software you're using to rip. You're on a Mac,
so I'm not 100% certain if that still applies...
If you have access to a PC, I'd recommend using Audiograbber:
http://www.audiograbber.da.ru
It uses some pretty sophisticated switcherooishness and tomfooleration to
sync the data streaming in from your drive so that nothing gets lost. You
can even set it to normalize the audio or encode it as an mp3 automatically
once the rip is complete.
- -Brett
At 01:57 PM 10/2/2000 -0700, Stephen W. Worth wrote:
>
>Hi gang,
>I've had some disturbing experiences with CD rips lately. I thought
>that a ripped and burned CD was an exact duplicate of the original,
>but now I'm beginning to wonder. I've found that there appears to
>be a subtle generation loss.
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Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 17:32:11 -0400
From: wlt4@mindspring.com
Subject: Re: (exotica) CD rips aren't the same as original
>but now I'm beginning to wonder. I've found that there appears to
>be a subtle generation loss. My copy sounds slightly different than
This has been a topic on some other lists. Basically making a CD-R creates extremely minor errors but your CD player's error correction adjusts for these. If everything is working properly you're supposed to be able to make copies a few hundred generations away from the source before this ever becomes noticable. But as you found out it's not a perfect world. The problem could come from the original rip, from your hardware, the software or the disc itself. It's also possible it's not any by itself but the combination, a certain brand disc with a specific burner for instance. I don't know whether the record speed will affect this as it would for an underrun but that might be worth testing. One source for problems like this apparently come from whether your software does raw or cooked burns, ie whether it copies sectors error correction and all (raw) or actually checks the error correction itself (cooked). You might want to look into how to check how your software works o!
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