ftp.xmission.com/2014.06.ftp.xmission.com.tar/ftp.xmission.com/pub/lists/exotica/archive/v02.n779

Internet Message Format | 2000-08-10 | 40.4 KB

From: [e-mail] (exotica-digest)
To: [e-mail]
Subject: exotica-digest V2 #779
Reply-To: exotica-digest
Sender: [e-mail]
Errors-To: [e-mail]
Precedence: bulk
X-No-Archive: yes


exotica-digest         Friday, August 11 2000         Volume 02 : Number 779



In This Digest:

Re: (exotica) Brasilian '67
Re: (exotica) What ruined music?
(exotica) Howard Stern plays Exotica
Re: (exotica) Playlist for "Trance Cocktail Airlines" 8.9.00
Re: (exotica)Design Record Label
Re: (exotica) Re: Design Record Label
Re: (exotica) What ruined music?
(exotica) Kahiki tickets for sale
(exotica) theremin noir
Re: (exotica) Re: Design Record Label
Re: (exotica) Re: Design Record Label
(exotica) Mono
(exotica) Margo Guryan
Re: (exotica)Design Record Label
(exotica) Philip Glass
Re: (exotica) Playlist for "Trance Cocktail Airlines" 8.9.00
Re: (exotica) Mono
Re: (exotica)Design Record & Movietone Records
Re: (exotica) Philip Glass
Re: (exotica) Mono
Re: (exotica) Mono
(exotica) Kahiki Motel....
(exotica) Tower of Bebel
Re: (exotica) Towa of Bebel
Re: (exotica) Design Record Label
Re: (exotica) What ruined music?
(exotica) Wildwood, NJ
Re: (exotica) What ruined music?
Re: (exotica)Design Record Label
(exotica) mutantes - go english
Re: (exotica)Design Record Label / Bedazzled on tv
(exotica) CDDB and Moon River
Re: (exotica) CDDB and Moon River

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 01:40:58 -0400
From: alan  zweig <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Brasilian '67

At 09:06 AM 8/10/00 -0700, chuck wrote:
>
>Picked this up too and agree not much to talk about, nice cover though.
>I find myself steering away from Design label records.
>Am I missing much?

I think so, yes.
Well not much.
But something.
Then again, if you don't like "Noche D'Amor", maybe we don't have similar
taste, in which case I can't tell you whether you're missing anything.





# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Send the command "info exotica" to [e-mail].
# To post, email [e-mail]; replies go to original sender.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 01:57:31 -0400
From: alan  zweig <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) What ruined music?

At 10:32 PM 8/10/00 +0200, Moritz R wrote:
>
> Was music/art better then or now?
>
>o all of you who think it was all better then, remember what
>our parent's generation thought of anything *you* appreciated when you were
>young, and calculate back to earlier times: it was always like that.
>you have to admit, that what you think was better in the past, was once new
>too, and had replaced something even older,

That's not a very strong argument.
The fact that each successive generation thinks that things are getting
worse, does not prove that they AREN'T.
Maybe every generation that said it SO FAR was wrong. But that doesn't mean
that someday it won't be the right thing to say.
Here's an example of one clear change in music.
This point is more or less made in a Yazoo CD compilation called, I think,
"Before the Blues".  It says that in the early part of the century, if you
were walking up the road and heard some old fiddle and guitar music coming
out of a barn, you wouldn't be able to tell whether they were black or
white musicians.
Marketing of records forced music into categories.  The black musicians
made "blues" records and the white ones made "country records".  A musician
could no longer reflect the full range of their tastes and influences.
Now certainly they made some amazing fantastic blues and country records.
But I believe that this change made music a little bit "worse".
There are many other such phenomena that we can point to in the last
century and I think you could make the argument that each one of them
somehow made music a bit "more worse".
Fortunately the human spirit persists and no amount of censorship or
categorization or commercialization or Celine Dions can stop "us" from
continuing to discover and create beautiful music (and art in general.)
But that doesn't mean that the proliferation of "boy bands" doesn't make
music in general in the world just a little worse.  Have you been watching
that "Making the Band" thing on TV?  I have.  What's more distressing than
the generally mediocre level of talent among the "band" members, is the way
their handlers are teaching them to sing, dance, etc.
There's not a single genuine moment in their performance.
Surely the elevation of such a thing makes this world just a little bit
"worse".

Nat



# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Send the command "info exotica" to [e-mail].
# To post, email [e-mail]; replies go to original sender.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:57:05 -0700
From: Kevin Crossman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Howard Stern plays Exotica

Today Howard Stern was making fun of the drums and "exotic music" played
behind the interviews on Survivor (mostly Rudy) and started doing his
impression - and then they started playing cuts from the UL comp "Mondo
Exotica" - most notably the entire cut of Caravan by 80 Drums Around the
World (certainly in my top 3 version for that song).

Anyway, nice to hear some good exotica on the radio, in whatever form.

- -Kevin
- --
***********************************************************
*     Kevin Crossman           [e-mail]            *
*   http://www.kevdo.com  - The Narrow Interest Portal    *
*  Lip Balm Anonymous, Ultimate Mai Tai, Exotica Archive  *
***********************************************************


# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Send the command "info exotica" to [e-mail].
# To post, email [e-mail]; replies go to original sender.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 02:07:09 -0400
From: alan  zweig <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Playlist for "Trance Cocktail Airlines" 8.9.00

At 05:50 PM 8/10/00 EDT, [e-mail] wrote:

>Bob Crewe Generation-Birds Of Britain

Good choice.  Nice to see you "combining" stuff...

>Kai Winding-China Nights
>Claus Ogerman-The Joker

More good choices.  Way to go Jimmy.  A man can't live on breakbeat alone.

>
>Berry Lipman-Girls From Paramarimbo

Okay that's the second or third time you've mentioned this. What is it?



# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Send the command "info exotica" to [e-mail].
# To post, email [e-mail]; replies go to original sender.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 02:13:34 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica)Design Record Label

I'm a big fan of "budget rock", and Design has a few real winners. Their
Champs& the fabulous Cyclones lp is especially hot- the cheap pressing gives
it a real garage sound.
Soundsville has only a few good tracks, but they're early Lou Reed/John Cale
novelties. And hey- I actually like Brasilia 67!

In a message dated 8/10/00 2:23:11 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<<
Design Records was one of the cheapest of the cheap.  Short records, often
recycled (read stolen) and retitled tracks, no personnel info.  I think
Design was the subsidiary of another budget label and was one of those labels
that only sold records at non-record stores (grocery stores, drug stores,
etc.) really cheap.  I have an OK Batman record that I believe is on Design.
Worth getting for a buck or two.  Like many Batman records it only has the
Batman theme and the rest of the tracks are somewhat surf sounding but based
on melodies/themes from classical compositons (read: public domain music).
Larry
 >>
Is this the "Dan and Dale" Batman lp (actually on Tifton)? If it is, then
it's actually Sun Ra & the Blues Project (paying their respective rents).

- -dave




# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Send the command "info exotica" to [e-mail].
# To post, email [e-mail]; replies go to original sender.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 02:19:25 -0400
From: alan  zweig <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Design Record Label

At 06:38 PM 8/10/00 EDT, [e-mail] wrote:
>
>Of of the worst sitar records, but also one of the more desirable ones (if
>you use ebay bidding history as a guide) is on the Design label.
>
>Rajput and the Sepoy "Flower Power Sitar"

What a stinker. Someone gave that to me.  I was so glad after I heard it (I
think I already told this story) because I would have paid real money for
it and it wouldn't have been worth it.  Still, I'm glad I have it.

>
>That cool Bat-Boys "Batman" is on Design - there are others, but I can't
>think of em right now.

Another good record.  See, chuck and Nate, you are missing something.  You
can't just dismiss the whole label.  Even if it's not really a label.

Okay let me see if I can find another example even though my girlfriend's
asleep.

Yippee!  Here it is.  The argument-ender.  (Sort of)
"Electronic Music to blow your mind by!!" by the Lovemachine.
Not saying it's great but if you heard it and then found out you passed it
up at some thrift store just because it was on Design, I think you'd kick
yourself.







# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Send the command "info exotica" to [e-mail].
# To post, email [e-mail]; replies go to original sender.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:21:23 +0200
From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) What ruined music?

alan zweig wrote:

>
> The fact that each successive generation thinks that things are getting
> worse, does not prove that they AREN'T.
> Maybe every generation that said it SO FAR was wrong. But that doesn't mean
> that someday it won't be the right thing to say.

Basically you are right. I only found some of the "It was all better
then"-statements a bit disturbing, as if those who posted them couldn't even
imagine, that there may be reasons to THINK things are getting worse other than
that things are REALLY getting worse. These statements didn't seem to see that
they share the point of view of ONE generation in history and instead they
thought that their perspective is ABSOLUT. I am a real pessimist myself and
complaining about how everything is getting worse literally every day seems to
be my second nature - ask my girlfriend - but I always defended the present
(younger) generation of musicians against the many members of my generation who
despised anything that's new in music with such arguments, that basically only
claim that todays music neither is made like the music of the past, nor does it
sound like the music of the past. I mean, why should it anyway? It's just too
obvious to draw parallels between, f.i. the gloryfication of pre-computer music
and, say, the gloryfication of pre-photography painting.  Obviously machines are
not ALL bad and not ONLY bad.  I see it as a phase in history that we go through
and I'm sure that for one thing this way of making music will still produce
interesting results and on the other hand, IF, f.i., hand-made music is really
so much better, then it WILL have its comeback one day. It's always been like
that. Progress goes forth and back, invents new things, uses old things etc.

>Marketing of records forced music into categories.

That's why I reserved a paragraph on capitalism in my post. In fact what was
once seen as a motor of progress through competition now turns into a nightmare,
because instead of  things getting better they are only getting cheaper. Freedom
of choice for consumers means it's getting less for producers and makes the
world worse for all of us. I mean this entire Napster debate showed that money
is what culture is all about. I know I defended the rights of the musicians in
that debate, but the discussion made me think about my own point of view. In
fact freedom of exchange of ideas may be the higher value in the end. Only you'd
need a totally different economy to create such Utopia. It's interesting though
that you can observe the limits of capitalism in culture. Another book to
write... instead of where are the Legrands, Minguses etc. you could as well ask,
where is the Karl Marx of this generation?

Mo




# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Send the command "info exotica" to [e-mail].
# To post, email [e-mail]; replies go to original sender.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 00:18:15 -0700
From: Otto <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Kahiki tickets for sale

There have been a few folks who bought tickets and for one reason or
another are not able to make it to the Kahiki

I am now aware of 5 tickets that are available for the Kahiki

The event is sold out but these tickets are available at the regular
rate of $100 each

If you are interested in purchasing them please email me

Aloha
Otto

for further info go to my website at
www.tikinews.com



# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Send the command "info exotica" to [e-mail].
# To post, email [e-mail]; replies go to original sender.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 17:35:45 +0800
From: "william" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) theremin noir

 hi all,

    well, i finally broke down and picked up this disc("theremin noir"-rob
schwimmer, uri caines, mark feldman). i had been waiting to hear what
citizen kafka had to say about it. but i never saw a review posted. did you
get it c.k.? the disc contains both original compositions and covers
(including songs from "marnie", "vertigo", and "torn curtain"). i'm pretty
poor at descriptions of music. but it seems to me to be pretty much in the
vein of classical music. but quite nice. one track is titled "waltz for
clara" and the cd has the following information about this track: " 'waltz
for clara' was written on the date of the death of theremin virtuoso clara
rockmore, whose performance inspired me to pick up the instrument."-rob
schwimmer. interestingly enough one of the tracks is called "fireflies in
tainan". tainan is a city here in taiwan so i'm curious what connection this
song title may have to this city if any. the producer, artist and
photographer all have chinese names so i'm curious. any info c.k or anyone
else?

              william in taipei.



# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Send the command "info exotica" to [e-mail].
# To post, email [e-mail]; replies go to original sender.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 08:52:12 -0400
From: "Nathan Miner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Design Record Label

Alan:

No, no, I'm not "giving up" on Design...............that was my first =
Design album and I was just curious.

Great posts about Design!! =20

You guys rule.

- - Nate




# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Send the command "info exotica" to [e-mail].
# To post, email [e-mail]; replies go to original sender.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 06:53:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: chuck <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Design Record Label

Alan wrote:
> Yippee!  Here it is.  The argument-ender.  (Sort of)
> "Electronic Music to blow your mind by!!" by the Lovemachine.


Hi Alan

Yes you are right.  I have this on cdr.  Its definitely an "argument-ender"
album.  I knew there was something good on even this label.

I may have some Design records maybe (I'm actually not sure)  but when i see
their hawaiin records I always pass them up.

Easy listening in the Big Easy
Chuck

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites.
http://invites.yahoo.com/


# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Send the command "info exotica" to [e-mail].
# To post, email [e-mail]; replies go to original sender.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:40:01 -0400
From: "Nathan Miner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Mono

I've just gotta gush here, and recommend an album by the band "Mono" =
called Formica Blues. =20

This is female vocals with *great* orchestrations.............a very =
enjoyable album.

Check it out!

- - Nate




# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Send the command "info exotica" to [e-mail].
# To post, email [e-mail]; replies go to original sender.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 07:42:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: chuck <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Margo Guryan

A friend sent me these real audio G2 clips of Margo Guryan.  She does the
kind of soft pop that he knew I would love. The artist is Margo Guryan and
the album is called "Take a Picture". It was just reissued on Trattoria
Records in Japan.

http://userweb.interactive.net/~tomc/TakeAPic.ram
http://userweb.interactive.net/~tomc/LoveSong.ram
http://userweb.interactive.net/~tomc/SomeoneI.ram

Easy listening in the Big Easy
Chuck


__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites.
http://invites.yahoo.com/


# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Send the command "info exotica" to [e-mail].
# To post, email [e-mail]; replies go to original sender.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 10:53:10 -0400
From: Brian Phillips <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica)Design Record Label

>I think  Design was the subsidiary of another budget label and was one of
>those labels
>that only sold records at non-record stores (grocery stores, drug stores,
>etc.) really cheap.


Pickwick, which also issued things under that imprint.

>I have an OK Batman record that I believe is on Design.



>Is this the "Dan and Dale" Batman lp (actually on Tifton)? If it is, then
>it's actually Sun Ra & the Blues Project (paying their respective rents).

No.  The Bat Boys recording is not the same as the Tifton LP.

I forgot about Soundsville; I always associate it with Pickwick.  I rather
like some of the songs, in particular "Soul City", which has a guy singing
his head off on it.  Wish I knew who that was, so I could return his head.


Brian "Alfredo Garcia" Phillips





# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Send the command "info exotica" to [e-mail].
# To post, email [e-mail]; replies go to original sender.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:53:30 GMT
From: "Paul Thomas" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Philip Glass

Regarding Philip Glass ~~~


There is no 'bad' Philip Glass. It's all fabulous.


   Akhnaten is my favorite Glass opera but Saatyagraha and Einstein on the
Beach are equally fine.


  His latest work with the Kronos Quartet, 'Dracula' is amazing. You might

also want to pick up the re-mastered edition of 'Koyaanisqatsi'.

'Glassworks' is an excellent overview of his music with excerpts from his

operas, songs and other works ... that's a good place to start.

   ~~paul~~



Shake the Twentieth Century Blues at
    Paul's Modernistic World!
http://www.homestead.com/paulsmodernworld/entry.html

________________________________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com



# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Send the command "info exotica" to [e-mail].
# To post, email [e-mail]; replies go to original sender.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 11:00:32 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Playlist for "Trance Cocktail Airlines" 8.9.00

In a message dated 8/11/0 2:06:04 AM, [e-mail] wrote:

>>Berry Lipman-Girls From Paramarimbo
>>Okay that's the second or third time you've mentioned this. What is it?

I first noticed it on the "Get Easy", German Pops compilation where it was
sung
Ray Conniff singers-style by the Berry Lipman Orch & Chorus (as I recall).
Another version, this one instrumental, appeared on the Espersso Expresso
compilation of three years ago. A newer one, sung apparently by Mr. Lipman
himself, just popped up on a new Berry Lipman anthology which I believe is
called "Capricious Squall". This version knocked my socks off. Its got that
certain thing you want in a cheesy yet pleasy vocal....Hope that helps. JB


# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Send the command "info exotica" to [e-mail].
# To post, email [e-mail]; replies go to original sender.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 11:01:19 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Mono

In a message dated 8/11/00 10:40:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [e-mail]
writes:

<< I've just gotta gush here, and recommend an album by the band "Mono"
called Formica Blues.   >>

Nate,
While you are gushing could you give us a little more info?  Is this a new
band on cd or an old LP you found?
Larry


# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Send the command "info exotica" to [e-mail].
# To post, email [e-mail]; replies go to original sender.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 11:09:10 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica)Design Record & Movietone Records

Brian,
Thanks for clearing that one up.
DESIGN is a subsidiary of PICKWICK.  So now we all know it is the cheap
controlling the cheaper!  The Batman LP on Design is the one by The Bat-Boys.
 I also have some Johnny Puelo (sp) harmonica LPs on Design, and a few fake
psych rock LPs.  One thing that seems universal with Design Records is the
TERRIBLE fidelity.  Even new they sounded gritty and worn.  I wonder if they
also used the trick of pressing LPs on recycled ashtrays.

I am very glad this discussion came up.  I have always been interested in
these SUB-BUDGET labels.  There is a label called MOVIETONE that I have one
great LP on.  It is also a Batman record, but much better than most Batman
records.  It's by The Fifth Avenue Buses which is actually film score meister
Gene Paige.  Anyone know the score on MOVIETONE RECORDS or have any records
on that label?  I'm pretty sure that like Design it is a subsidiary of
another budget label.

Larry


# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Send the command "info exotica" to [e-mail].
# To post, email [e-mail]; replies go to original sender.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 11:14:08 -0400
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Philip Glass

Paul Thomas <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
Regarding Philip Glass ~~~
There is no 'bad' Philip Glass. It's all fabulous.


Except for Hydrogen Jukebox - almost walked out of that show.

Lou



# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Send the command "info exotica" to [e-mail].
# To post, email [e-mail]; replies go to original sender.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 16:21:58 +0100
From: Michael Jemmeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Mono

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> In a message dated 8/11/00 10:40:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [e-mail]
> writes:
>
> << I've just gotta gush here, and recommend an album by the band "Mono"
> called Formica Blues.   >>
>
> Nate,
> While you are gushing could you give us a little more info?  Is this a new
> band on cd or an old LP you found?
> Larry

Part of the second wave of trip-hop... along with Morcheeba etc - came
out mid 97 - same song-based, 'we play our instruments' attitude, and
less of the  hip hop beats and sampling.


# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Send the command "info exotica" to [e-mail].
# To post, email [e-mail]; replies go to original sender.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 11:07:10 -0400
From: "Nathan Miner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Mono

Ooops.  To clarify, this is a "new" CD release from a couple of years ago. =
 Listen to samples at (you-know-where).com!!!

Similar to Portishead.

- - Nate

>>> <[e-mail]> 08/11/00 11:01AM >>>

In a message dated 8/11/00 10:40:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, nminer@jhmi.e=
du=20
writes:

<< I've just gotta gush here, and recommend an album by the band "Mono"=20
called Formica Blues.   >>

Nate,
While you are gushing could you give us a little more info?  Is this a =
new=20
band on cd or an old LP you found?
Larry


# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Send the command "info exotica" to [e-mail].
# To post, email [e-mail]; replies go to original =
sender.




# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Send the command "info exotica" to [e-mail].
# To post, email [e-mail]; replies go to original sender.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 11:55:30 -0400
From: "Nathan Miner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Kahiki Motel....

Someone asked me where I stayed:

Ramada Inn in Columbus, OH

- - Nate




# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Send the command "info exotica" to [e-mail].
# To post, email [e-mail]; replies go to original sender.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 11:20:32 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Mimi Mayer)
Subject: (exotica) Tower of Bebel

You can hear the NPR interview with Bebel Gilberto in an RA file at
http://search.npr.org/cf/cmn/cmnps05fm.cfm?SegID=3D80135.

Thanks to the exoticat who verified offlist that she is/was touring North
America. Couldn't find an itinerary though dates mentioned include Boston,
New York, Toronto, LA.

Review of Tanto Tempo (Ziriguiboom/Six Degrees label) by Dan Hill--aren't
you on the list?:
http://motion.state51.co.uk/reviews/594.html.

Decent bio here:
http://www.themusicbase.com/features/cd/anthropologie/bebel_gilberto.html

CDNow serves up samples of every Tanto Tempo cut:
http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/redirect/leaf=3Dpagename=3D/RP/CDN/FIND=
/alb
um.html/itemid=3D1174076/from=3Dsr-1801954-1

Mimi




# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Send the command "info exotica" to [e-mail].
# To post, email [e-mail]; replies go to original sender.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 11:44:08 -0400
From: "Br. Cleve" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Towa of Bebel

At 12:35 PM -0500 8/10/00, Mimi Mayer wrote:

>>Bebel Gilberto's new release
>>"Tanto Tempo" transports me to Brasil with every
>>track...

>She may be touring the States to promo the CD. Anyone know if this
>is happening?

yes.......she played in Boston a month ago. I don't know if she's still on
tour however. I missed the show due to other commitments, unfortunately,
but heard that she was fantastic. Weirdly, she was on the bill with a hip
hop act opening for her, which I believe was true for the whole tour. Most
folks said it didn't work.

br cleve


# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Send the command "info exotica" to [e-mail].
# To post, email [e-mail]; replies go to original sender.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:16:38 -0400
From: Ross Orr <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Design Record Label

For a while I was attempting to construct a "family tree" of all the
different budget labels, since they are notorious for recycling the
same tracks under different brand names. This plan fell apart when I
realized that the companies even seemed to steal tracks from each
other. . .

But as far as I was able to tell, Design seemed to be part of the
Pickwick empire, which also included Bravo, Grand Prix, and Stereo
Spectrum.

Eventually I found budget label LPs too frustrating to waste much
time on. But every once in a long while there will be something so
*totally* wigged out on a budget label that it's worth having. When
you find yourself in some thrift store where the LPs are 50 cents,
that is the place to indulge your curiosity about budget label disks.
. . otherwise, save your money.

cheers,
  --Ross

|| Ross "Mambo Frenzy" Orr  <[e-mail]>
|| Ann Arbor, Michigan USA


# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Send the command "info exotica" to [e-mail].
# To post, email [e-mail]; replies go to original sender.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:15:44 -0400
From: Ross Orr <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) What ruined music?

Thanks to some really thoughtful comments by Manuel and Mo, I'm
de-lurking briefly to add a few thoughts on this thread. . .

I have to reject any theory that people are becoming stupider, more
debased, and less creative, or whatever. The need to express yourself
is a universal in all times and all places--but the specific tools
and techniques that attract a talented young person are always
changing and evolving.

Right now, tools involving computers and electronics have a great
deal of novelty and glamor, and are attracting many people. Some of
them are using them in predictable and unimaginative ways, and some
are getting bogged down in technicalities. But it's totally
unwarranted to say that none of them have the discipline or passion
of previous generations of musicians.

In broad terms I'd say this new technology is putting more of an
emphasis on rhythm and sound timbres--and less on songwriting,
melody, and the craft of playing a particular instrument.

If you want, you can see that as a terrible loss for music. I would
just mention that those earlier preoccupations come out of a fairly
stratified musical world. Maybe you have specialist songwriters who
don't perform themselves. You need bass players and drummers willing
to plod along behind you playing fairly uninteresting background
lines. You have somebody else working as the sound engineer and the
producer, with the technical skills to bring just the right
atmosphere to the recording.

What I see as happening is that all these roles are being more and
more absorbed by the "artist" (in much the same way that desktop
publishing made many people into typographers and printers who never
would have performed those roles before computers).  Today it's
getting more possible for a single person to be the songwriter, the
singer, the lead instrumentalist, the rhythm section, and the sound
engineer. It's a shift from specialists to generalists.

This may have some good effects and some bad effects, and we can
speculate on what those might be. But you have to respect that those
are *all* crafts which involve aesthetic judgment (for good or ill)
and careful technique. The are not any less valid than being able to
play the saxophone well.

We do not yet have a lot of vocabulary for talking about how
beautifully someone layers their samples. . . but perhaps in 30
years, college music appreciation courses will be playing ComEd's
_The Impossible World_ for their students, pointing out the
almost-subliminal sounds in the mix. . .


And finally, to stick my neck out in a really specific way. . .
anyone who thinks that contemporary loop-based music is all soulless
and evil, please buy a copy of  9 Lazy 9's  _The Herb_ (Shadow
Records). This is a disc which I have listened to at least once a
week for about four years: Lazy, loping, and very sexy music. A real
test of any art is asking yourself, "would adding, changing, or
taking away any part of this make it better?" That is one CD which
may seem simple, but in the end you really can't imagine altering a
note.

cheers,
  --Ross

|| Ross "Mambo Frenzy" Orr  <[e-mail]>
|| Ann Arbor, Michigan USA


# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Send the command "info exotica" to [e-mail].
# To post, email [e-mail]; replies go to original sender.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:39:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) Wildwood, NJ

Hi,
I'm thinking of taking a little trip down to Wildwood, NJ in the next couple of weeks.
I remember someone on the list talking about this place as a cool place to see some 50s/60s Americana.  Can anyone who knows this place maybe email me off-list with more info - e.g. places to stay, other recommendations?

thanks very much,
Jonny


- -----------------------------------------------------
Get free personalized email at http://email.lycos.com


# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Send the command "info exotica" to [e-mail].
# To post, email [e-mail]; replies go to original sender.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:02:22 -0400
From: alan  zweig <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) What ruined music?

At 09:21 AM 8/11/00 +0200, Moritz R wrote:
>>Marketing of records forced music into categories.
>
>That's why I reserved a paragraph on capitalism in my post. In fact what was
>once seen as a motor of progress through competition now turns into a
nightmare,

Now I want to argue the opposite pov.
Someone on this list once said to me that all those strange, inadvisable,
who-came-up-with-this-idea, who-bought-this records that we find - and
rescue - in thrift bins are proof that capitalism is NOT the evil
conspiratorial force that we sometimes think of it as.
If it were, there wouldn't be all these desperate attempts that we in
particular, witness in thrift bins everyday.  All those "Jan Peerce sings
Hawaiian songs made famous by the Beatles" records.
All those "Ferrante and Teicher are still around and now they're covering
funk rock" records.
All those desperate attempts to cash in on things that sold way way better
than anyone had any idea they would.  The Tijuana Brass was a crackpot idea
I bet.  But when it sold, everyone wanted one.
Even though they didn't know what it was exactly.

So I can see how someone could make the argument that you have to look at
all the weirdo stuff that didn't sell - all the Springsteen clones, the
Nirvana clones, the Beatle clones, the TJB clones - and how they DIDN'T
sell.  In other words, "capitalists" are so pathetically ignorant and
inefficient when it comes to figuring out what will sell, that you can
hardly blame them for anything.  They just hoist it up the flagpole - all
of it - and wait to see how many buyers salute.

On the other hand - to return to my original ground - the very fact that
they're always TRYING to have huge sellers is a problem no matter how
horrible they are at actually figuring out what will sell.
If they would actually admit that they didn't have a clue what will or
won't sell, I might not be making this argument.
It's when they insist on bringing "logic" to a situation because it worked
once and they ignore the fact that it didn't work a hundred other times....

Okay now I'm talking about way more than just music so I better stop.

(I'm starting to receive what they call "coverage" on this TV script I'm
writing so please forgive me for ranting about "them")

Nat



# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Send the command "info exotica" to [e-mail].
# To post, email [e-mail]; replies go to original sender.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:02:27 -0400
From: alan  zweig <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica)Design Record Label

At 10:53 AM 8/11/00 -0400, Brian Phillips wrote:
>
>Brian "Alfredo Garcia" Phillips

Cool reference.  One of my favourite films.  When I was asked to pitch this
TV show on script ideas, I only came with two.  A ripoff of "Bring me the
head of Alfredo Garcia" and a ripoff of a Raymond Chandler story.  They
picked the Chandler.  Too bad.  Alfredo's head was ripe for ripping off..
Hey, Bedazzled is on TV here tonight.  That means I might actually have to
watch the final episode of "Making the Band" since I'll be taping Bedazzled.
Would you listmembers in Hawaii please find Ikaika and tell him to get over
himself?

Nat relevant




# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Send the command "info exotica" to [e-mail].
# To post, email [e-mail]; replies go to original sender.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 16:13:09 -0400
From: Bump <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) mutantes - go english

>But I'm thinking for a 1st disk with going for the "best of". Anybody know
>where I can find a bio on this group with descriptions of their output?
>Dusty Grooves descriptions of the albums gave me the impression that there
>style changed over time.

it did change but i love it all. however not that drastically in my opinion
and
i cannot seem to find anything i like past 1972.
i would bypass the greatest hits and go ahead and buy the first 3 albums.
they are incredible, you will not be dissapointed.
the 4th (i think) is Jardim Electico 1971 which sounds alot what i think
this Technicolor release we are discussing is like since it includes the
track Technicolor and Baby, both sung in English.
i would even suggest the Rita Lee solo lp, Hole E O Primeiro Dia Resto Sua
Vida (with the Baptista brothers (i assume) backing her up) so to me it is
pretty much a Mutantes lp.
my current favorite is the 72 lp Mutantes E Seus Cometas No Pais Do Baurets.
  very blown + tripped out rock and roll cabaret style way more so than the
first releases.
i am current trying to figure out my "best of" comp.

i can't praise them enough.
collect em all!
i am partial to the native tongue tracks.

cheers
bump

if anyone can translate these titles it would be greatly appreciated.



********************************
Bump
Universal DJ
Defective Records
[e-mail]
http://www.defectiverecords.com
"Music, Non-Stop" -- Ralf + Florian




# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Send the command "info exotica" to [e-mail].
# To post, email [e-mail]; replies go to original sender.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 17:10:47 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica)Design Record Label / Bedazzled on tv

In a message dated 8/11/00 3:01:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [e-mail]
writes:

<< Hey, Bedazzled is on TV here tonight.  >>

Bedazzled on tv.  YEAH!  Don't you live in Canada?  I can never find that
film on the tele in the US.  However the remake is coming to theatres soon
(AHHHHHHHRRRRRRGGGGG!!!!)   Wish they'd just rerelease the original or
atleast put it out on a damn videotape.  GREAT MOVIE!

Larry


# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Send the command "info exotica" to [e-mail].
# To post, email [e-mail]; replies go to original sender.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:13:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Domenic Ciccone" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) CDDB and Moon River

You knowà....this www.cddb.com is really neat!

I did a song search for ôMoon Riverö and came up with 1967 matches!

And speaking of "Moon River"àthe version on the Delfi comp ôShots in the Darkö by Nan Vernon is very interesting. JetSetAir played it on there show a few weeks ago. But what was up with the huge audio gap between the English and Japanese version?


Domenic


P.S.
You Can Get Free Email & Homepages @ http://www.buzzlink.com


# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Send the command "info exotica" to [e-mail].
# To post, email [e-mail]; replies go to original sender.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:38:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: chuck <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) CDDB and Moon River

I think the Shots version is just great.  That whole comp rocks except for
the full length BR Cleve which lifts you off into outer space.

I feel like hearing this as soon as I get home, if I can find it.

Easy listening in the Big Easy
Chuck
- --- Domenic Ciccone <[e-mail]> wrote:
> And speaking of "Moon River"àthe version on the Delfi comp ôShots in the
> Darkö by Nan Vernon is very interesting

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites.
http://invites.yahoo.com/


# Need help using (or leaving) this mailing list?
# Send the command "info exotica" to [e-mail].
# To post, email [e-mail]; replies go to original sender.

------------------------------

End of exotica-digest V2 #779
*****************************