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exotica-digest         Friday, April 14 2000         Volume 02 : Number 686



In This Digest:

Re: (exotica) A. Lyman?
Re: (exotica) FAQ... links please!
Re: (exotica) Lalo Schifrin's rarest LP
(exotica) Dunwich Horror/Got it forra buck
(exotica) Re: FAQ... links please!
(exotica) Arthur Lyman
Re: (exotica) Dunwich Horror/Got it forra buck
Re: (exotica) FAQ... links please!
(exotica) slams/clicque's, the usuals suspects etc
Re:  Re: (exotica) Lalo Schifrin's rarest LP
Re: (exotica) Magnuson/Lyman (was Lalo)
Re: (exotica) A. Lyman?
Re: (exotica) Dunwich Horror/Got it forra buck
Re: (exotica) A. Lyman?
Re: (exotica) A. Lyman?
Re: (exotica) Magnuson/Lyman (was Lalo)
Re: (exotica) A. Lyman/Bedazzled.
(exotica) Denny vs Lyman
Re: (exotica) Denny vs Lyman
Re: (exotica) A. Lyman/Bedazzled.
(exotica) Murderers Row/Bedazzled
Re: (exotica) Murderers Row/Bedazzled
Re: (exotica) Denny vs Lyman - We have a winner!
Re: (exotica) Denny vs Lyman
(exotica) Denny V. Lyman
Re: (exotica) Denny vs Lyman
Re: (exotica) FAQ... links please!
(exotica) exotica) quick question about cds (and cd stores) in italy
Re: (exotica) Denny vs Lyman
Re: (exotica) Denny vs Lyman
Re: (exotica) Denny vs Lyman
Re: (exotica) exotica) quick question about cds (and cd stores) in italy
Re: (exotica) A. Lyman?
Re: (exotica) Denny vs Lyman
Re: (exotica) Lalo Schifrin's rarest LP
Re: (exotica) "Angels From Hell" OST

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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 14:50:14 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) A. Lyman?

n a message dated 04/13/00 12:02:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< can anyone tell me about the music of arthur lyman?  i cam across some of
 his cd's on the ryko disc sight and it sounds intriguing.  thanks,
 robert >>

hey robert,

Mo from Munich, Germany sent a note to the list regarding your question
above.  one of our list members even met Lyman on a trip to Hawaii last year.

take a minute and introduce yourself to the list when you get a chance.  we
welcome newcomers, so don't hold back.  regardless of what someone named BJ
might tell you (that's an inside joke).

regards,

tb


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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:03:37 -0700
From: "Erik Hoel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) FAQ... links please!

Mo wrote:

> Taking a look at the Exotica FAQ I realized that of all things links to
> the official/main homepages of the main artists are missing. Searching
> in my own bookmarks brought only Denny, Baxter, Lyman. So please anybody
> send me links to the homepages of/about the following artists and
> labels, if there are any! They will be included in the FAQ and will be a
> good quick source for all of you:
>
> Esquivel

http://www.rudyscorner.com/esquivel/index.html

> Command
> Phase Four
> RCA's "Stereo Action" Series
> Ferrante and Teicher (sorry Keith, lost both the link and your recent
> posts)

http://go.to/ferranteandteicher

> The Three Suns,

http://members.tripod.com/~ThreeSuns/happy.html

> Lenny Dee
> Dick Hyman
> Raymond Scott
> Brass Ring
> Herb Alpert's Tijuana Brass

http://www.almosounds.com/herbalpert

> and any other link going directly to a page about an artist or a label
> (not the pages generally on exotica, lounge etc., those are in another
> chapter)

Jobim:
file://www.nortemag.com/tom/e.index.html

Mancini:
http://www.rudyscorner.com/mancini/index.html

Prado:
http://members.aol.com/PerezPrado

Sumac:
http://www.accesscom.com/~pc/sumac/

Erik
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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:13:57 -0400
From: Brian Phillips <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Lalo Schifrin's rarest LP

Both the Wrong Box and Modesty Blaise are currently on E-Bay, but the
prices are suitably stiff.  The Dunwich Horror is also up there, by Les
Baxter, but what I heard of it was the same song with different
arrangements, so you may want to go for better Baxter.

The same auctioneer has a Mary Tyler Moore-as-a-model album (Cha Cha Cha -
Raoul Martinez and Orchestra) for an opening bid of 45 dollars; Ron Grandia
and I found Mambo Favorites (same photo session. different artist) for a
buck!  Chee!  (or Cha!)

Also, if you really would like to know what Ann Magnuson is up to nowadays,
she has a web page http://www.annmagnuson.com .  She also wrote an article
for Artnet.  What is meant by the caption?
http://www.artnet.com/Magazine/features/magnuson/magnuson2-24-5.asp

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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:24:15 -0700
From: Jack Diamond <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Dunwich Horror/Got it forra buck

The Dunwich Horror rules.
I don't know if that's Theremin or what, but
it kills, whatever it is.

MANY great soundtracks have adifferent variations of the main title,
like The "Ipcress File" or a thousand more

It's not neccesarily a "bad" thing

Also, instrumentals aren't songs:)
Everyone has those "I got it forra buck" stories
Me ?  "Astro Sounds From Beyond The Year 2000" and a couple of hundred more

What about YOU ?

My "non-commercial" web site, the "House of Games" has been updated
with tons more album covers, if you'd care to see
I think I added another page to it
http://www.jackdiamond.com/houseofgames

Jack

The bitterness of poor quality and poor service lingers long after
the sweetness of the cheap price is forgotten.

Jack Diamond Music
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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:23:53 -0400
From: Ross 'Mambo Frenzy' Orr <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re: FAQ... links please!

>Taking a look at the Exotica FAQ I realized that of all things links to
>the official/main homepages of the main artists are missing.

Mea Culpa!

I was the originator of the current FAQ--but I would be the first to
admit that I've kind of fallen down lately with keeping it updated
and adding new suggested topics.

If anyone who plans to be around for a few years is interested in
taking over maintenance of the FAQ, I'm cool with passing on the
baton. (It has been a pretty long time since I tested all the URLs. .
.  )

Moritz are you interested in taking this on?

cheers,
  --Ross

|| Ross "Mambo Frenzy" Orr  <[e-mail]>
|| Ann Arbor, Michigan USA


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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:30:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ben Waugh <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Arthur Lyman

Nice Lyman site: plenty of photos and information:

http://www.tikipub.com/lyman/



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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:49:44 -0400
From: Brian Phillips <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Dunwich Horror/Got it forra buck

>MANY great soundtracks have adifferent variations of the main title,
>like The "Ipcress File" or a thousand more
>
>It's not neccesarily a "bad" thing

True.  My favorite is "On Her Majesty's Secret Service" by John Barry for a
soundtrack of the "theme and variations" variety.  To paraphrase, "I don't
know what that keyboard is, but it kills!"  As to "Dunwich Horror", ask the
man who owns it (in other words, not me!).  As I said (and I didn't take
Mr. Diamond's post as a slam), I only heard parts of it and that was
sixteen or so years ago.

Another soundtrack that vanished all the way gone was "Silent Running",
also reissued by the good folks of Varese Sarabande as was Dunwich
Horror.  My brother and I looked for it as soon as the movie came OUT and
couldn't find the thing.  It was on Decca and the soundtrack was by Peter
Schickele and featured a song by Joan Baez and we never saw it, until he
found the reissue at a comic book convention some years later.

A similar fate befell "Water" (don't bother with the movie!), which had one
song featuring George Harrison and Eric Clapton.  I found a copy, on
cassette (!).

For a dollar:

Songs, Pictures and Stories of the Beatles (Vee Jay)
Primitiva - Martin Denny
Casino Royale, sealed, but not for long! (part of a collection;
technically, I paid fifty cents)


Also, I found my million-dollar baby in a used record store, but that's not
quite the song, is it? :^)

Brian Phillips




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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:04:37 -0400
From: "m.ace" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) FAQ... links please!

I have a batch on my links page:
http://www.voicenet.com/~ecam/links.html

Further...

Rudy's A&M Corner:
http://www.rudyscorner.com/amcorner/index.html

includes well-done sections on various A&M artists, including the TJB:
http://www.rudyscorner.com/tjb/index.html

BMB:
http://www.rudyscorner.com/baja/index.html

Brasil '66:
http://www.rudyscorner.com/mendes/index.html

For all of the Enoch Light labels/artists, go to Robbie's "Spaced Out" site:
http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~rcb/light/

And of course, Brad's "Space Age Pop Standards" has pages on EVERYONE:
http://home.earthlink.net/~spaceagepop/


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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:03:45 -0700
From: Jack Diamond <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) slams/clicque's, the usuals suspects etc

I am glad Brian didn't take anything I said as a "slam".

There wasn't anything there meant to be and the thought
never entered my mind.

The clique's on the list is what has made me (personally)
rejoin and then leave again and again a hundred times,
since whence this list 1st began MANY years ago.

Personally, I hate clicques and this list is overflowing with them,
but maybe I can learn some things and maybe I can contribute some things
and maybe some things will be interesting.  There has been a thread or 2
that have already
I'll give it a shot, once again.

But if I have something to say to any one in particular,
trust me on this 1, I will say it directly to them.

So, if someone, perhaps you, perceive something I have said
to be a "slam" or "dis" and I didn't say it to you directly,
then it's all in your imagination:-)

Sincerely,
Jack

PS  "Slam's" on the list for everyone to see are forbidden for this Exotica
Mailing List



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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:10:15 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re:  Re: (exotica) Lalo Schifrin's rarest LP

In a message dated 4/13/0 2:15:58 PM, [e-mail] wrote:

>The same auctioneer has a Mary Tyler Moore-as-a-model album (Cha Cha Cha -
>Raoul Martinez and Orchestra) for an opening bid of 45 dollars

I almost dumped that album last month during a general spring cleaning.....I
only kept it for MTM's face.... JB/not the hugest Cha-Cha-Cha fan


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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:30:45 -0400
From: "m.ace" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Magnuson/Lyman (was Lalo)

>Also, if you really would like to know what Ann Magnuson is up to nowadays,
>she has a web page http://www.annmagnuson.com .  She also wrote an article
>for Artnet.  What is meant by the caption?
>http://www.artnet.com/Magazine/features/magnuson/magnuson2-24-5.asp

Now that's odd timing... the article
http://www.artnet.com/magazine/features/magnuson/magnuson2-24-00.asp
really DOES have an Arthur Lyman connection (he owns the resort, The Golden
Lemon Inn).


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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:36:52 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) A. Lyman?

Lyman originally played with Martin Denny, then went out on his own recording
several LPs in a style similar to Denny's.  Some folks on the list love him
some do not.  Some find him superior to Denny some would heartily disagree.
There was a ot of discussion on this topic a while back.

If you like Denny and other exotica stuff pick up atleast one of Lyman's
discs (one of the original LP reissued in toto, not some cheap comp) and see
what you think.

I am not personnally a huge fan of Lyman but have a few of his albums.  Maybe
someone else on the list would be willing to recommend their favorite Lyman
disc.

And, welcome to the world of exotica music.  I hope you have fun on the list.

Larry


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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:41:20 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Dunwich Horror/Got it forra buck

In a message dated 4/13/00 3:51:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< >MANY great soundtracks have adifferent variations of the main title,
 >like The "Ipcress File" or a thousand more
 >
 >It's not neccesarily a "bad" thing >>

Not at all a bad thing.  If I like the main theme I am hoping that the
soundtrack will consist of many variations on the theme.  Like most on the
list I love to hear different arrangements and recordings of some favorite
songs, and that's part of the reason I love soundtrack LPs.

Larry


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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:41:31 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) A. Lyman?

In a message dated 04/13/00 4:39:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< Some find him superior to Denny some would heartily disagree.   >>

Heartily here!

Robert,

If you like Lyman and are kind of new to this genera, you REALLY need to give
Martin Denny a try.  There are lots of comps out there.  Or contact me
directly (off List) for some recommendations.

TB


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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:42:01 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) A. Lyman?

In a message dated 04/13/00 4:39:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<<  heartily disagree.  >>

like y'all knew i wouldn't chime in here!

ha,

tb


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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:45:41 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Magnuson/Lyman (was Lalo)

I though Magnuson had gone hollywood and was on tv shit-coms these days.  I
am wrong about this?
Larry


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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:55:51 -0400
From: Brian Phillips <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) A. Lyman/Bedazzled.

At 04:41 PM 4/13/00 -0400, you wrote:

>In a message dated 04/13/00 4:39:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>[e-mail] writes:
>
><< Some find him superior to Denny some would heartily disagree.   >>
>
>Heartily here!

Jeez, you're going on like you met Martin Den...

Oh.

In any case, it turns out that Harkit Records reissued the Bedazzled
soundtrack last year (they also reissued the Klute soundtrack).  Does
anyone have contact information for Harkit?  The released was 500 copies,
so I don't have my hopes TOO high (and if Jack Diamond already offered it
on his website, I'll be real ticked at myself!).

Incidentally, the original title that Cook and Moore wanted for "Bedazzled"
was "Raquel Welch", so that movie marquees would read Peter Cook and Dudley
Moore in "Racquel Welch".

I suppose that Rex Reed would have been bemused at a similar marquee for
"Myra Breckinridge"...

Brian Phillips

P.S. Thanks, M. Ace for verifying that was indeed THE Arthur Lyman in that
photograph.




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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 14:14:13 -0700
From: Jack Diamond <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Denny vs Lyman

In my humble opinion
It is impossible to even start an argument
about Denny and Lyman or Denny Vs. Lyman

Denny is a pianist, of whom A Lyman played Vibes
on MD's 1st LP and then went of to "somewhat" rip off
MD's sound, but not really at all, because it's just really
a seriously stripped down version of MD's sound WITH
the main lead instrument being vibes

For me, AL is just lame, big time
Are there even any wild bongos going on ?
I don't think they ever even stretch out at all

I do know that there was a HUGE thing going on with Henry Kaiser,
no, not the killer guitar player:), who I think had both groups play
under his DOME thing-a-ma-bob.

Cool looking thing, too and supposedly acoustic perfection

But, Lyman is weak and MD RULES
Are there even bird calls on AL's LP's ?

Denny created a completely unique and original sound
AND THEN THERE ARE THOSE ALBUM COVERS!!!

I have a few sealed/new copies of a few different MD CD's that I am selling OUT
and not restocking, sooooooooooooo, how about $12.00 each to whomever wants
them ?

I think you'd have to go to my site to see what I have left

Jack Diamond Music
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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 17:29:40 -0400
From: Brian Phillips <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Denny vs Lyman

>But, Lyman is weak and MD RULES
>Are there even bird calls on AL's LP's ?

Yup!  Listen to his version of "Afro Blue" on his Greatest Hits album, for
example(thanks, King Kini!) and there are squawks a-plenty, although I am
sure that Denny gives you more squawk for the bawk.  My favorite part on
that is the piano, oddly enough.

Brian Phillips




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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 17:44:01 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) A. Lyman/Bedazzled.

In a message dated 4/13/00 4:57:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< In any case, it turns out that Harkit Records reissued the Bedazzled
 soundtrack last year (they also reissued the Klute soundtrack).  >>

In case you don't already know, these are boots and the grape vine has it
that the sound aint' too good.

Larry


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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 19:52:38 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) Murderers Row/Bedazzled

I have to agree with Jack Diamond that Murderers Row is overrated.  Schifrin
has several soundtracks that I consider better (Bullitt, Mannix, Enter the
Dragon, etc.).

Bedazzled, on the other hand, is the stuff.  I don't think I would spend the
usual ebay $100 for it (I've never spent that much for a record anyway).
But, if you are lucky as I was to find an affordable copy, take the bait.
It's got a nice variety of tunes -- some instrumental, some vocal.  The title
track is unique with Peter Cook's matter-of-fact spoken words contradicting
the sung lyrics in the casual manner you could only expect from Beelzebub
himself.  The last tune, Lilian Lust, is probably my favorite.  The piano
carries this soft, almost bossa-like chromatic theme which is very eerily
echoed by the strings. Hip, yet chilling.

Great film, too.  Dudley Moore has never been better!

I heard he's having some serious health problems.  Does anyone have the
latest on this?

Sean


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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 17:46:33 -0700
From: Jack Diamond <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Murderers Row/Bedazzled

At 07:52 PM 4/13/00 -0400, you wrote:

I have to agree with Jack Diamond that Murderers Row is overrated.

Sean (and everyone else)

You know, "Jack Diamond" are 2 separate names.
You knew that, right ? :)  It's not just 1 name:-)
Please, just call me Jack.  Everyone, please

Schifrin  has several soundtracks that I consider better (Bullitt, Mannix,
Enter the
Dragon, etc.).

Bedazzled, on the other hand, is the stuff.

WHAT ?????????????????????

I been holdin' back on this 1, 'cause I just gotta disagree
I don't get it, I really don't get it

WHAT'S THE ATTRACTION, other than MAYBE 3 or 4 tunes ??

Well, like Mimi says, difference makes the world go 'round,
EVEN THOUGH, I don't agree;)

Like Jimmy B says "He ain't GOD"

Thank GOD for that...CAUSE IF I WUZ!  I'd make everyone love Kenneth Patchen!
Just kidding:-), maybe

I never heard Klute, though I wanted to.  Anyone get that "Harkit" label OST ?

Here's some great one's, I love, not in any particular order and just
staying within the Now Go Go Sound

Lady in Cement-Hugo Montenegro
Up The Down Staircase-Fred Karlin
In Like Flint or is it Our Man Flint ? - Jerry Goldsmith
I always gett'em mixed up

Barbarella-Charles Fox etc al
Bug In-Shorty Rogers and Kelly Gordon
The Interns-Leith Stevens and Stu Phillips
Treasure of San Gennaro-Armando Travajoli
Sweden, Heaven and Hell-Piero Piccioni

More later
Jack





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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 20:49:24 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Denny vs Lyman - We have a winner!

In a message dated 4/13/00 5:16:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< Cool looking thing, too and supposedly acoustic perfection

 But, Lyman is weak and MD RULES
 Are there even bird calls on AL's LP's ?
  >>

Well, we all know what side of the fence I am on, but let me shout a little
from my side.

The breadth of what Denny did was tremendous.  All the way from the bird
calls as old Jack says, to the more classical composures like "Forever and
Ever."

Denny has depth, both in each piece and from piece to piece.  The next time a
Denny tune is played, listen to just one instrument -- whether a percussion
or Denny at the piano, and you will understand the complexity of his
arranging.

OK, so are we all on my side of the fence now?

Good!

TB


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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 20:49:58 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Denny vs Lyman

In a message dated 4/13/00 5:16:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< I think had both groups play
 under his DOME thing-a-ma-bob. >>

i don't know why, but that is funny!

tb


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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 20:51:43 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) Denny V. Lyman

In a message dated 4/13/00 5:31:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< and there are squawks a-plenty, although I am
 sure that Denny gives you more squawk for the bawk.  My favorite part on
 that is the piano, oddly enough.
  >>

Marty would be glad to hear that, Brian.  The piano, his piano, held the
stuff together.  Again, he would be please.

TB


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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 21:04:44 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Denny vs Lyman

In a message dated 4/13/0 7:52:23 PM, [e-mail] wrote:

><< I think had both groups play
> under his DOME thing-a-ma-bob. >>
>
>i don't know why, but that is funny!

"Its better than anything you NEVER heard."..JB


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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 20:50:59 +0200
From: "Marco \\\"Kallie\\\" Kalnenek" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) FAQ... links please!

- ----- Original Message -----
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Subject: (exotica) FAQ... links please!


>. So please anybody
> send me links to the homepages of/about the following artists and
> labels, if there are any!
>
> Ferrante and Teicher (sorry Keith, lost both the link and your recent
> posts)

http://www.artclik.com/twingrands/ft.html

> The Three Suns,

http://members.tripod.com/~ThreeSuns/

> Raymond Scott

http://www.raymondscott.com

> and any other link going directly to a page about an artist or a label

Bob Thompson: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Den/7533/

Bruce Haack: http://www.brucehaack.com/Default.htm

James Last: http://home.swipnet.se/fyrtioplus/

Henry Mancini: http://www.rudyscorner.com/mancini/index.html

Perez Prado: http://members.aol.com/PerezPrado/index.htm

See also my own links page: http://weirdomusic.freeservers.com/links.html

And don't forget BJ's site.....
http://bjbear3.freeservers.com/Wanderley/main.html

Marco




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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:47:28 -0400
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) exotica) quick question about cds (and cd stores) in italy

From: "Benito Vergara" <[e-mail]>
>Just wondering whether those Italian soundtrack CDs were actually cheaper
in
>Italy (as opposed to the US).


Hi! I can't believe this came up on the list. I was just about to ask it.
Really.

Mio Padre is going to Abruzzo Italy to recover from doing his taxes. I was
thinking of asking him to buy me stuff if it's cheaper in Italy. Is it?

Thinking of the Easy tempo series and some soundtrack comps. Any ideas on
what I should ask him to get? I have to be very specific. Or it won't work.
Looking for new stuff to play on my radio show that people here the states
will love.


Domenico de Abruzzese
Martinis with Mancini WJUL Friday's 6-9AM, Now on Real Audio.
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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:18:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: Bruce Lenkei <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Denny vs Lyman

Ok, ok! I agree that Martin is  a genius, but HEY!

Arthur had a couple of good tunes in him, too, didn't he?

Not quite the complexity and whatnot of Denny, but
I happen to LOVE 'Yellow Bird' and 'Taboo', etc.

Besides, anybody who's willing to put a shrunken head on
his album cover is ok by me.

- - bruce

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Date: 13 Apr 2000 20:00:06 -0700
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Denny vs Lyman

I for one am glad to have both and wouldn't mind at all getting all the
recordings from both of them.  If it was just one of the other, my
"exotica" would be far less diverse.  It is great that each does things a
little differently and has a different sound...yet they play enough of the
same things and have a somewhat similiar small combo sound with the intent
of being exotic... so having both of them helps expand the "exotica" scene.

Of course there are others, but you really can't mention exotica without
thinking of either.  After them you can bring in George Arnaud or George
Cates or Robert Drasnin or....well, you know.

Byron


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Date: 13 Apr 2000 20:35:00 -0700
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Denny vs Lyman

Jack was kind enough to point out to me off list that I made a boo boo.
Leo Arnaud was the guy I was thinking of.  Sorry 'bout that.  That's what I
get from talking off the top of my head without looking at the record!

By the way, Jack had an ebay listing for one of Leo's great records.  I
found it interesting, as he was good enough to explain (not all sellers are
either knowledgeable OR honest enough) that one totally different looking
and numbered LP by Leo has exactly the same songs on another LP.  Both were
in mono, too...so I seriously doubt they were different performances.  I
don't think I have ever seen this kind of blatant repeating. Sure LP tracks
get rotated around in different releases, some new, some old...but this is
the first time I have seen the exact same record in two totally different
guises.  Who knows, they may have used the same stamper for both!  If I had
the money I would have got the other version just to see...and to own both
cool covers.

But, at least I got the good info about this from Jack.

Byron



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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 23:33:56 -0400
From: cheryl <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) exotica) quick question about cds (and cd stores) in italy

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> Mio Padre is going to Abruzzo Italy to recover from doing his taxes. I was
> thinking of asking him to buy me stuff if it's cheaper in Italy. Is it?
>
> Thinking of the Easy tempo series and some soundtrack comps. Any ideas on
> what I should ask him to get? I have to be very specific. Or it won't work.
> Looking for new stuff to play on my radio show that people here the states
> will love.

I don't know what prices in Italy are like, but I do know there are two
very good compilations that Gionni sent me a while back, which are
probably not readily available outside of Italy.  If you can get them
there, I would highly recommend "Beat Psichedelico Alla Celluloide" and
"Moisaico Psichedelico Alla Celluloide" - both great 60s instrumental
stuff.  Johan reviewed these a while back - check his site for more
in-depth reviews.  Very cool stuff...


ciao,

cheryl


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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 21:13:04 -0700
From: Kevin Crossman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) A. Lyman?

[e-mail] wrote:
> If you like Denny and other exotica stuff pick up atleast one of Lyman's
> discs (one of the original LP reissued in toto, not some cheap comp) and see
> what you think.

Either of the "Best of Arthur Lyman" CDs would be a good start, as would
Lyman's first album "Taboo" (CD has bonus tracks too).  There was some
talk about a new Lyman comp coming at some point (Otto???) but haven't
heard anything of late.

Lyman's stuff tends to be mellower although on some tracks the drums and
such are actually considerably raucous!  Also, on albums like Hawaiian
Sunset Lyman incorporated instrumetns like guitar and ukelele that Denny
typically avoided. These are used to great affect on that album, IMHO.

Finally, I'd like to plug my Exotica Archive website which has an essay
on the evolution of Exotica, and several articles on Arthur Lyman.

http://www.kevdo.com/exotica/

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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 21:24:46 -0700
From: Kevin Crossman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Denny vs Lyman

Jack Diamond wrote:
>
> In my humble opinion
> It is impossible to even start an argument
> about Denny and Lyman or Denny Vs. Lyman

Um, then why did you?

>
> Denny is a pianist, of whom A Lyman played Vibes
> on MD's 1st LP and then went of to "somewhat" rip off
> MD's sound, but not really at all, because it's just really
> a seriously stripped down version of MD's sound WITH
> the main lead instrument being vibes
>
> For me, AL is just lame, big time
> Are there even any wild bongos going on ?
> I don't think they ever even stretch out at all
>
> But, Lyman is weak and MD RULES

If Lyman copied Denny's sound, then how can he be weak and lame?
Derivative maybe (in your scenario) but if it sounds like Denny how you
can gripe?

> Are there even bird calls on AL's LP's ?

Methinks you should know what you're talking about before opening thy
mouth. OF COURSE there were bird calls on the Lyman records. Hell, he
STILL does birdcalls as part of his weekly performance at the New Otani
hotel in Waikiki. Yeah, Lyman didn't do this as much as Denny did, but still...

> Denny created a completely unique and original sound

I would remiss if I didn't point out that Lyman was there at the Shell
Bar the night the frogs started croaking too... (as was Augie Colon).
YES, Denny gets the lion's share of credit, but Lyman is no rip-off
artist (how can he rip off a sound he helped create?). When Vince Clarke
left Depeche Mode to form Yazoo, did that mean he was ripping off DM? Of
course not!

And, as pointed out in the  book "Widening the Horizon - Exoticism in
post-war popular music", Lyman's sound can be considered "more evolved"
than Denny's. (This is an excellent book, BTW).

> AND THEN THERE ARE THOSE ALBUM COVERS!!!

Denny's album covers were better of course, though Lyman had a nice run too.

Don't get me wrong, Denny's albums were better than Lymans (for the most
part) and are certainly better produced and arranged. But, each man made
a unique and viable contribution to the world of Exotica!

Kevin Crossman
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Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 01:58:53 -0400
From: Nat Kone <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Lalo Schifrin's rarest LP

At 03:35 PM 4/12/00 -0700, Jack Diamond wrote:
>
>
>Isn't the music the main priority ?
>As opposed to having to get the original on LP ?
>For me and only me, it's the music
>I don't care what the format is and if I happen to find it
>on LP and I can afford it, then great.
>If not, oh well, I still have the CD and the music
>
I think I've got a job coming up.  And if I do, I'm going to buy a
standalone CD recorder.  And then I'm going to start archiving and getting
rid of stuff.  And some of the stuff I get rid of will be soundtracks.
Then again, they're nice objects.
So maybe I won't get rid of all of them.  I'll keep stuff like the Staccato
soundtrack for sure.  But I don't know if I'll keep "Last Summer" even with
a picture of my dream gal Barbara Hershey.
My copy of Murderer's Row isn't close to mint.
It's a big dilemna but I've already got a few hundred other things on the
floor in boxes slated for archiving and purging.
I won't be doing the soundtracks till the fall and that's assuming I can
devote the proper time to this job.  (I'm referring to the archiving, not
the paying job.)

Nat



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Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 01:58:58 -0400
From: Nat Kone <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) "Angels From Hell" OST

At 05:18 PM 4/13/00 GMT, james brouwer wrote:
>
>If anyone has the -- extremely hard to find -- "Angels From Hell" OST by Stu
>Phillips (avec the Lollipop Shoppe and the Peanut butter Conspiracy) I'd
>love to have a CDR or a tape of it. If you have it let me know and maybe we
>can arrange something.

Didn't I see a cut from it on your radio playlist?  Am I confused?
Anyway I LOVE this LP especially the instrumental cuts.  I used two of
them, I think, on my exoticaring tape.
We live close to each other don't we?
I'm sure we could arrange something.  A tape now and a CDR later in the
summer maybe after I buy one of them thingy's.

I could have kept this private but this is a truly great LP and Stu Philips
is GOD.
Yeah I know he did the Hollyridge Strings and they may not be everyone's
cup of tea but this soundtrack and the other Hell's Angel related one he
did are about the best American stuff I've ever heard.  Right up there with
any of that Italian stuff we all live for.

Nat



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