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exotica-digest        Thursday, March 30 2000        Volume 02 : Number 671



In This Digest:

Re: (exotica) I rest my case now...
Re: (exotica) Led Zeppelin and Exotica
Re: (exotica) Drugs and Art
Re: (exotica) Which is "classic" Denny lineup?
Re: (exotica) So
Re: (exotica) Some kindly advice for BJ
(exotica) 50-300 micro Henry adjustable inductance
Re: (exotica) Re: A complete Venture
Re: (exotica) "Target" Store Laurent Lombard Commercial
FW: (exotica) Luxuriamusic
Re: (exotica) A complete Venture
Re: (exotica) Drugs and Art
(exotica) Napster, MP3 New Yorker Cartoon
(exotica) [obit] David Gengenbach
Re: (exotica) Napster, MP3 New Yorker Cartoon
Re: (exotica) [obit] David Gengenbach
(exotica) Barry Gray Supermarionation themes
(exotica) Zippy fixates on Yma
Re: (exotica) High Fidelity (was Napster, MP3 New Yorker Cartoon)
(exotica) new playlist
(exotica) Re: The Wild Eye
Re: (exotica) new playlist
Re: (exotica) Napster.com
Re: (exotica) Re: A complete Venture
(exotica) Get Me Rodd Keith!!
Re: (exotica) A complete Venture
Re:  (exotica) Some kindly advice for BJ
Re:  Re: (exotica) MAJOR find in SF Bay Area
(exotica) BJ/nibble
(exotica) The little hairs on the back of my neck
Re:  (exotica) Some kindly advice for BJ
Re: (exotica) Some kindly advice for BJ
Re: (exotica) "Target" Store Laurent Lombard Commercial
Re: (exotica) Some kindly advice for BJ
RE: (exotica) The little hairs on the back of my neck
FW: (exotica) Some kindly advice ...really...

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Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 12:16:14 +0200
From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) I rest my case now...

Blank CD ROMs are down to 0.9 US$ now here. A friend told me, he records
audio CDs on his computer using those and is able to play them on his
regular CD player. So does this mean, you need these special more
expensive audio CDRs only when you burn them on an audio CDR recorder?

Mo



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Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 12:22:41 +0200
From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Led Zeppelin and Exotica

[e-mail] wrote:

> So as improbable as it sounds, the roots of Zeppelin's exotic
> eclecticism--the Middle Eastern spice of "Kashmir," the Brazilian samba
> break in "Fool in the Rain"--can be traced to the same source that gave
> us W.C. Fields.

Funny, just listened to a lot of Led Zeppelin the other night with friends and
my general impression was, that most of the used rhythms were not typical rock
rhythms. My friend, who is a drummer, first said, it's boogie and shuffle,
which I questioned, and later he had to admit, it's not. A rhythm like in
Whole Lotta Love, what is it really?

Mo



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Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:08:59 +0200
From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Drugs and Art

[e-mail] wrote:

> But but but. It is not real. You say that a drug can 'help you to become
> one with your own nature for a few
> hours' but in the case of most drugs, this is a misconception. The drug
> alters your perception to an unreal state for a few hours. The drug doesn't
> allow you to become yourself, the drug changes you into someone else and
> what seems normal and right is actually unreal and distorted. Its not 'an
> encounter with your most archaic feelings, that were buried by modern
> life', its just a hallucaination.
>

As I said in an earlier post, we have to make distinctions here: I certainly
don't agree with you in the cases of LSD, mescalin and psylocybin. I agree
with you for cocaine and alcohol, but sometimes I just have fun to experience
myself as someone better than I really am. But even this has to be
differentiated: I can actually play music more precisely on cocaine. Not that
I tried it very often... still, it's true. At least for me. Drugs may have
different effects on different people. I mean, they definitely have.

Mo



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Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 07:21:52 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Which is "classic" Denny lineup?

In a message dated 3/29/00 11:24:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, [e-mail]
writes:

<< Denny, Julius Wechter (vibes), Harvey Ragsdale (Bass), Colon >>

This is probably what Mr. Denny considers the "core 4" players.  For years
there were bad "vibes" between he and Lyman.  I think it was patched up in
recent years.  Still, this was the group that toured and recorded together so
much.

There is a picture of the above 4 taken in the early days that Denny likes to
see in liner notes, etc. of CD that are re-released.   In fact, Capitol used
a different picture in the Breakfast of Champions release and Mr. Denny was
kind of embarrassed to give it to Augie because Augie was not in the picture.
 Augie was in the hospital at the time (see below) and Denny thought how
would giving Augie a CD with his (Augies's) music on it cheer him up when
they don't even have his picture in the liner notes?

As mentioned on the list before, Don Tiki did a beautiful "Tribute to Denny"
at the end of the Honolulu Film Festival a few months ago.  There was an open
invitation to Lyman and Colon to come and play a few tunes with Mr. Denny and
the band.

Augie, in spite of recently having a couple of toes removed secondary to
diabetic/circulatory complications, came but Lyman did not.  This is not to
say Lyman did not have a good reason to not come, but he does play down the
street every Friday afternoon AND this was a helluva event, what with getting
these old exoticats together with the Don Tiki crew.  Mr. Denny indicated
that he was a little saddened that Lyman did not come -- it would have been a
nice "reunion."

I hope this is helpful.

<<This is probably only of interests to deep-seated Martin Denny geeks
like me, but I know there are others out there...

It is hard for me to type with one hand raised in the air.

TB


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Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 07:24:42 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) So

In a message dated 3/30/00 4:24:33 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< PS. Why do so many Americans start their sentences with 'so'. Is it from
 watching too much TV? :-) >>

it is the american equivalent of "now then."


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Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 07:32:38 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Some kindly advice for BJ

In a message dated 3/29/00 11:37:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, a fun loving
exoticat writes:

<< Sounds like you have a bit too much spare time on your hands...  >>

i always love it when a response to someones post starts like this.

tb


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Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:37:42 +0200
From: "ClichΘ" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) 50-300 micro Henry adjustable inductance

Peace on ear!

in the last six month I tried several ways to get a "50-300 micro Henry
adjustable inductance" for my new theremin but now I have lost  hope.

A musician without a theremin is like a bird without a coat, so absurd.
You are my last hope. My blood, my life, my records for a theremin.

kisses,
cliche








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Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 08:21:23 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Mimi Mayer)
Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: A complete Venture

>_Walk Don't Run _ (BLP 2003/BST 8003)
>_The Ventures_ (BLP 2004/BST 8004)

Liners for my copy of "The Ventures" state flatly that it's their followup
for   "Walk Don't Run." I LOVE "The Ventures" and almost exploded when I
found it for a buck at a thrift a few months ago. Grimy oft-played mono
wax, but for my ears, it suits the music.

You gotta get "The Ventures," Ross, because it offers
>Hawaiian War Chant - Heats up as it goes. Groovy tomtoms.
>Blue Tango - Can the Ventures do cheez tango? You bet. Dashes of the boys
>going "ahh" on an heavily instru record.
>Perfida - Opens with riff taken right from the tune "Walk Don't Run." Rock
>n mambo.
>Moon of Manakoora - Really pretty with more wordless "ahhs." Bass line
>straight from Fats Domino.

My fav cut on the LP is "Harlem Nocturne." Straightahead cover with some
reverb stuff tossed in that makes it nice and moody and sexy. Am also fond
of "Lonesome Town" because of a female "ahh" vocal that could be a space
siren on a different record. "Torquay" and "Wailin'" are almost perfect
twist tunes -- alert, Moritz. "Wailin'" will leave you sweating and asking,
Who put the Benzedrine in the Ventures' Ovaltine? A couple of cuts with
country twang  bring to mind Billy Mure in Nashville mode.

Look for this LP, Ross. Lots of that great Ventures sound of pure trebly
guitars playing off low register solos and the beat my big brother named
the "Baby Um-BAH". Listen to most early Ventures tracks, you'll hear that
"Baby um-BAH" fits.

Giddily yours,
Mimi







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Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 09:05:04 -0500
From: Brian Phillips <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) "Target" Store Laurent Lombard Commercial

>I saw a great commercial on TV last night for, I think, Chairs,
>advertising chairs and the music was LAURENT LOMBARD from
>Happyland!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Target is nationwide (got 'em here in Georgia, across the street from
Wal-Mart), so I will look out for the commercial.  Good seeing you again, Jack!

Brian Phillips




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Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 09:47:13 -0500
From: "Rajnai, Charles, NNAD" <[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: (exotica) Luxuriamusic

I'm just not listening to anymore=20
> because RealAudio,
> (at least on the computers I've tried it on, the T1 connected=20
> one here at
> work and my brothers cable connected  home computer) really=20
> does not work.
> I mention this because Is that the case with many of you?


Yes, it happens to me all the time, because we have a firewall.  It =
drives
me bonkers when all the site has is real audio.  Thats another reason I =
have
fallen in love with luxuriamusic. =20

visit=20
THE BRIMSTONES Eternal Surf and Garage Damnation=20
at http://www.brimstones.com
=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=
=B8=B8,=F8=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=BA=B0`=B0=BA=A4=F8,=B8=B8,=F8=A4
surfing the chaos,
Charlieman
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Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 09:21:18 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Mimi Mayer)
Subject: Re: (exotica) A complete Venture

Mo wrote
 Especially decades after it was created
>when all questions of political statements have lost their meaning and
>only craft
>and mastership count.

Yeah, and it's tons o' fun, too. Mimi




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Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 09:21:20 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Mimi Mayer)
Subject: Re: (exotica) Drugs and Art

Re, Moritz and Hegel:
Dare I raise poor Blake's ghost again?
Why the hell not.
"Without contraries there is no progress."





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Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 06:53:47 -0800
From: "paul thomas" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Napster, MP3 New Yorker Cartoon

There's a cartoon in this week's issue of The New Yorker which I'll do my best to describe: A young man is getting an autograph from a musician with a guitar case at the stage door. The young man says to the musician: "I'm a big fan, I've downloaded all your stuff."

  Also, has anyone read the book High Fidelity by Nick Hornby? It's about a vintage vinyl shop in London and has been turned into a film with John Cusack (and trnasplanted to Chicago).

  Last bu t not least, can anyone tell me anything about John McLaughlin and the Mahavishnu Orchestra?

  Thanks as always!

   ~~Paul, Hepcat


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Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 10:05:25 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) [obit] David Gengenbach

                         *David Gengenbach
    WINSTED, Conn. (AP) -- David Gengenbach, who oversaw the design
of some of Walt Disney World's most popular rides, died Monday of
complications from a heart transplant. He was 66.
    Hired in 1966 as a project manager and project engineer,
Gengenbach worked his way up to vice president of Walt Disney's WED
Enterprises.
    During his tenure he oversaw the Pirates of the Caribbean boat
conveyance system, directed the design and installation of Space
Mountain and worked on the 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea ride. He
also worked on the design and implementation of the Mark III and
Mark IV monorail systems.
    Prior to working at Disney, Gengenbach worked as an engineer
with Tubular Aircraft and was a member of the Experimental Aircraft
Association.
    His influence on the Magic Kingdom is marked by an honorary
tombstone outside the Haunted Mansion ride at the theme park.
- ------
 BTW, Curtis Mayfield died on December 26, 1999 (age 57), not
more than a year ago as was recently mentioned.




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Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 10:48:23 -0500
From: Brian Phillips <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Napster, MP3 New Yorker Cartoon

>   Also, has anyone read the book High Fidelity by Nick Hornby? It's about
> a vintage vinyl shop in London and has been turned into a film with John
> Cusack (and trnasplanted to Chicago).

It's a great book; I have not seen the movie yet, but the fellow ho lent me
the book did and enjoyed the movie as well.

>   Last bu t not least, can anyone tell me anything about John McLaughlin
> and the Mahavishnu Orchestra?

McLaughlin formed this group after having played with Graham(e) Bond.  The
album of their Rock-Jazz blend that I enjoyed the most was "Birds of Fire",
but my brother's favorite was "Apocalypse", which was more orchestral in
nature.  Jerry Goodman's furious playing, Bill Cobham's drum pyrotechnics
all made for a fun time for me.  Mahavishnu was McLaughlin's spiritual name
when he followed the teachings of Sri Chinmoy.  He also made an album,
which I have never heard with fellow follower Devadip Carlos Santana, "Love
Devotion Surrender".

Lineup on Birds of Fire:

McLaughlin - Guitar
Rick Laird - Bass
Jan Hammer - Keyboards (If you find a copy of his album, "The First Seven
Days", it's great synthesizer fun and it was his favorite album)
Jerry Goodman - Violin

Check All Music http://www.allmusic.com for the lowdown and
http://members.aol.com/ilebaba/adeleke/discmaha.html for the discography
lowdown.

Should I check out Woody Allen's "Sweet and Lowdown"?  Just asking!

Brian Phillips




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Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 10:54:05 -0500
From: Brian Phillips <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) [obit] David Gengenbach

>         His influence on the Magic Kingdom is marked by an honorary
>tombstone outside the Haunted Mansion ride at the theme park.

...Mourners will be slowly moved through the chapel while tiny mechanized
dolls of various countries sing the familiar "We Love You, David".

Sorry.
Brian Phillips




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Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 08:17:57 -0800
From: "Ron Grandia" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Barry Gray Supermarionation themes

Just got a CDR of Barry Gray penned themes to every Gerry Anderson
Supermarionation show ever made - and then some. (Thunderbirds are GO!,
Supercar, etc.) At least I was told it was to every one... I don't have the
track list yet, either.

I have had not had too much time to listen - or do anything else for that
matter - but I gotta say, "Wowee!" Some of this stuff is just shit-hot!
Nifty theremin-y sounds and venture-esque rock-n-rolly grooovezzzz. There
are themes to GE live action shows too (Cool version of Space 1999 I hain't
never heard before)  Other parts are big-orchestra high-drama
gotta-save-the-puppet-world-from-sure-destruction kinda thing. Then for good
measure, some hug-a-butt suupah-funkay dance remixes with lots of
Thunderbird samples. There seems to be no end to the musical suprises on
this disk.  Most of the tracks are actual themes from the show, but I
suspect some are covers.  I'll know more when I get the tracklist.

Again, Wowee!

So who's heard this stuff, dug the T-birds, etc as a kid?  I used to watch
it every once in a while, but all of a sudden, I'm fascinated. I even found
some fan-sites...even the officiall Gerry Anderson website.  Neato!

Ron





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Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 11:25:41 -0500
From: "m.ace" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Zippy fixates on Yma

http://www.sfgate.com/sf/zippy/4.gif



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Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 10:49:17 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Mimi Mayer)
Subject: Re: (exotica) High Fidelity (was Napster, MP3 New Yorker Cartoon)

The film was the crown jewel of the recent SXSW film festival. I passed
despite with the lures of Cusack and Stephen Frears. Two friends who
watched, trashed it. Local reviews mixed or fawning--the fawning one in the
newspaper that sponsors SXSW. Typical. For what it's worth, I enjoyed the
Nick Hornsby novel in mid-read but recall nothing about it now. Didn't the
novel come up here last spring?

Here's a capsule review from http://www.moviepundit.com/
"A music junkie (John Cusack) owns a hip old record store in Chicago while
musing to the audience about his romantic failures. The plot is a little
jumpy, but "High Fidelity" has its clever moments - such as the hijinks of
the two flunkies who work at the record store. Almost a must-see for big
music fans, especially followers of Bruce Springsteen. Directed by Stephen
=46rears, who made "The Grifters" with Cusack ten years ago."

A more intriguing music film is "Genghis Blues." This documentary depicts
blind bluesman Paul Pena's journey to the exotic land of Tuva near Outer
Mongolia, where he performs in a throat-singing competition. Fine film with
almost too much of the triumph-of-the-human-spirit thing for my tastes --
yanked back to reality by near catastrophes. See "Genghis" in a theatre
with a superb sound system.
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Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 08:45:31 -0800
From: "Erik Hoel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) new playlist

As much fun as it is to rattle people's cages (yeah, I know ...), I wanted
to mention that a new playlist of streaming audio is available at
SwankRadio. The current selections are taken from the following vinyl
(typically three cuts from each album):

Leo Addeo - Paradise regained
Jan August - Accent!
Les Baxter - African Jazz
The 'Big' Sound Orchestra - Percussion Espanol
Don Cantelli and The All Stars - Potent Percussion
Martin Denny - Exotica
Esquivel - Strings Aflame
Georgia Gibbs - Music and Memories
Henry Jerome - Brazen Brass
Abbe Lane - Be Mine Tonight
Enoch Light - Provocative Percussion Vol. III
Julie London - The Best of Julie
Arthur Lyman - Taboo
Henry Mancini - Mr. Lucky Goes Latin
Robert Maxwell - Hi-Fi Harp
Perez Prado - Havana, 3 a.m.
Della Reese - Della by Starlight
Yma Sumac - Legent of the Sun Virgin
Walter Wanderley - Rain Forest

The careful reader will note that I bear no ill will or bias against Walter
Wanderley...(snicker).

Erik
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Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 19:49:50 +0200
From: Johan Dada Vis <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re: The Wild Eye

Typical Italian soundtrack, with lots of haunting melodies and etheral
wordless vocals, not unlike Morricone. Not bad at all... but i didn't
really went "wooooow over it... maybe i should listen to it again!

        Johan

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Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 12:04:32 -0500
From: Brian Phillips <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) new playlist

Looking at the Swank Radio site, I recall a phrase of my youth.  WABC -
AM(*ding*) radio in New York boasted that it was in stereo.  Anyone on the
list ever hear their AM in Stereo?


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Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 09:19:09 -0800
From: "Erik Hoel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Napster.com

Paul <[e-mail]> wrote in part:

> has the aggregate talent of those 95,000 acts produced even ONE
> act that has gone on to even significant regional success, much
> less national ... no it hasn't.

Interesting annecdote - one of the guys that I work with (Mike Cressey) has
some of his music up on mp3.com. He has a linked page, etc. From time to
time he has participated in the "auction" that allows artists to bid on
advertizing themselves on the Top 10 list (or whatever) for some particular
genre. He was curious if this would help sales of his CDs. His experience
was that it did not; he also has not sold much at all via mp3.com (of
course, the quality of his music will impact this).

I am curious how many real sales are occuring through mp3.com.

Erik
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Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 10:19:36 PST
From: "Robert McKenna" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: A complete Venture

>
>A really nice version, actually.
>
>Let's see. . . _Walk Don't Run_ . . . looks like 3 originals, the
>rest covers, ranging from "Sleep Walk" and "Night Train" to "Tara's
>Theme," and some more obscure ones I don't know.

that's the one with the truly rocking version of the pink panther theme
isn't it? that usually goes down really well when i dj, even on surprisingly
'dance' oriented floors. love the hammond break.
rob
temporarily separated from his records. hoping it doesn't end in tears

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Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:47:27 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) Get Me Rodd Keith!!

Cool news from the American Song/Poem Music Archives site
( http://aspma.com ) :
- -Lou
[e-mail]
PS I hope someone will be taping this show for possible release!
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Get Me Rodd Keith!!

In what is unquestionably the world's first song-poem musical, San Francisco's Misery/Love Company will be presenting Get Me Rodd Keith!!: A Journey Into The Song-Poem Industry Of The 1970s. More than two years in development (and with some input from the AS/PMA), Josh Pollock's original musical will be at the Exit Theatre, 156 Eddy St., SanáFrancisco. From M/LC's press release:

A brand-new hallucinoid, fever-dream musical concerning unsung true-life genius Rodd Keith and the "send-us-lyrics-(and lots of money)-and-we'll-send-you-back-a-hit-song" industry of the early 70's. As a reluctant "song-poem" composer, Keith produced one of the most bizarre, wonderful and unheard bodies of work in the history of pop music while working a scam he abhored. Can he break out, or will they keep pulling him back in? A cast of 12 actors, dancers and musicians explores a desperate world of has-beens, never-wases, and the twisted, horrible, beautiful, and hysterical "hit songs" they cranked out for a buck. These songs must be heard to be believed!

Audience members who bring their own lyrics will get $4 off and the chance to have their song written and performed by the cast on the spot! A brand new song every night!!

Get Me Rodd Keith!! will run Friday and Saturday nights at 8ápm, with an additional show on Monday, May 15, from April 21 to Mayá27. Tickets are $14, $12 for students, and, as mentioned in the press release, $4 off if you show up with a song lyric already written. For further information or to make reservations, call 415-566-2578.



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Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:53:38 -0500
From: "m.ace" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) A complete Venture

http://www.geocities.com/~sandcastle/venture.htm

I've been browsing the discographies at the above site, and in answer to
Nat's original question... yes, I think collecting all The Ventures'
records would indeed leave you broke AND crazy.

Some of the later ones certainly sound intriguing... like the NASA 25th
Anniversary Commemorative Album.

I know I've recommended this one before, but it's pretty great. "Live In
Japan '65" -- a CD on EMI from 1995. I don't know if it's in current
release. Portions may appear on some 60s LPs, but I don't know which ones.
It's a document of a show in Tokyo, March 6, 1965, and demonstrates that
while they made much use of studio musicians, they sure didn't need them.
The other eye opener is that while they maintained their trademark
precision in a live show, they also unleashed the raw power of a punk band.
Yikes!

Exotica related tunes on the program include:

Perfidia
Out Of Limits
Besame Mucho Twist
Slaughter On Tenth Avenue
The Lonely Bull
Telstar
The Pink Panther Theme
Bumble Bee Twist
both versions of Walk Don't Run
and a 9-minute-plus burn-down-the-house Caravan

Another other cool thing about the recording is that you can almost *hear*
the audience's collective mind being blown outta their skulls through the
course of the show.

I'll agree with what the others said about the early stuff having certain
charms (I liked Mo's connection of chamber music) and the later stuff
having other charms.

The early stuff has a sort of pristine, clean and plaintive quality that's
very appealing.

The later stuff has all sorts of interesting mutations happening.

Incidently, there are some later (70s era) albums where they have admitted
only serving as producers, with studio musicians doing the actual playing.
But that doesn't necessarily mean you have to pass them by.

A couple more sites...

The official site:
http://www.theventures.com/

Japanese fan club:
http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~NJ4H-SED/ventures.htm


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Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:55:27 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re:  (exotica) Some kindly advice for BJ

In a message dated 3/29/0 11:37:34 PM, [e-mail] wrote:

>B.J. Between this thread and that wacky "drugs" post I'm starting to become
suspicious that you're on the list as ringer for the moral majority or
something!!!

This list has gotten--in general--more uptight since her pronouncements have
hit it on nearly every subject brought up. I have told a few long-timers on
this list how uncomfortable the dogmatic finality of her pronouncements make
me.  We all know there are a fair number of strong egoes in the house, but I
think we all have been in general agreement not to be overbearing about it
and to try to tolerate our differences with a modicum of finesse. The corner
seems to have been turned lately and I am really disappointed. Mr. Nibble has
yet to weigh in on this one so I suspect he is a proponent of free speech and
willing to let the chips fall where they may.  In over three years here--a
good and productive three years--I haven't seen anything close to this...Jim
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Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:58:33 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re:  Re: (exotica) MAJOR find in SF Bay Area

In a message dated 3/30/0 4:24:33 AM,
[e-mail] wrote:

>Why do so many Americans start their sentences with 'so'. Is it from
>watching too much TV? :-)

Charlie, its Masterpiece Theatre...We can't he'p it, ya know?


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Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 19:37:35 +0000
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) BJ/nibble

I like both equally, but in the evening, after a couple of pints of lager,
the mind wanders and, you know, you start thinking which you prefer.

I'd certainly prefer a BJ over a nibble.

In seriousness, I've enjoyed the recent fire on the list. I certainly
laughed my head off over the whole computer backup argument, very amusing
and even worth saving and forwarding to colleagues.


More more more.

Whatever happened to the recent rant about conspiracy theories? I can't
even remember who brought that one up but it freaked me out.




On an exotica note, I got a copy of Sergio Mendes' Beat of Brazil LP last
night. Anybody know this one and have any comment. It has Jobim's name on
it and is very bossa but not really up my alley yet. Maybe my tastes will
change.


Charlie




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Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 11:38:39 -0800 (PST)
From: Peter Risser <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) The little hairs on the back of my neck

They're standing up as I'm listening to the version of
Bicycle Built for Two as rendered (voice and all) by
the IBM 7090 Computer in 1955.  Isn't this the song
that the HAL 9000 sang?

Spoooooooky.

Peter

(PS: Thanks Keith!)

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Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:29:35 -0800 (PST)
From: Ben Waugh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:  (exotica) Some kindly advice for BJ

Is BJ a her? I went to the person's "about me" site
some time back and the graphical aspect posted there
was male (granted, my inspection was not thorough). In
any event, I'm sure this person's opinions (or any
other's), whatever they may be, can do no one any real
harm. Why appeal to a Central Scrutinizer?

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> This list has gotten--in general--more uptight since
> her pronouncements have
> hit it on nearly every subject brought up. ......

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Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:46:03 -0800
From: "Erik Hoel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Some kindly advice for BJ

Ben Waugh <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Is BJ a her? I went to the person's "about me" site
> some time back and the graphical aspect posted there
> was male (granted, my inspection was not thorough). In
> any event, I'm sure this person's opinions (or any
> other's), whatever they may be, can do no one any real
> harm. Why appeal to a Central Scrutinizer?

Lest she bust on me for not cleaning out my mailbox, here's what she said on
1/13:

> B.J. (Barbara J.) Major [[e-mail]]
> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2000 11:29 AM
> To: Exotica mailing list
> Subject: (exotica) An introduction and a discography announcement!

> Hello Exotica Mailing List,

> Please allow me to introduce myself--my name is B.J. Major and that is
> what I like to be referred to as (real name appears in email address only
> for gender identification purposes!)  I am pleased to be on this list
> because I've been directed here by someone who says that I will be among
> friends.  I hope he is correct!

> During the Christmas holiday, I put a Walter Wanderley Pictorial
> Discography online at my website (URL below).

... chop ...

Actually, at the time I thought there was something peculiar about this
posting and I never deleted it.

Erik
www.swankradio.com




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Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 16:55:49 -0500
From: "m.ace" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) "Target" Store Laurent Lombard Commercial

>Target is nationwide (got 'em here in Georgia, across the street from
>Wal-Mart), so I will look out for the commercial.  Good seeing you again,
Jack!

Yeah, that Howl routine was a Hoot too.

Is Jack back?


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Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 14:02:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Ben Waugh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Some kindly advice for BJ

Yikes. Sorry (esp. BJ, to whom, moreover, I sheepishly
apologize for those unseemly remarks about my
ambiguous response to the discipline I received from
my nun).





> Lest she bust on me for not cleaning out my mailbox,
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> 1/13:


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Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 14:19:06 -0800
From: "Ron Grandia" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) The little hairs on the back of my neck

>
> They're standing up as I'm listening to the version of
> Bicycle Built for Two as rendered (voice and all) by
> the IBM 7090 Computer in 1955.  Isn't this the song
> that the HAL 9000 sang?
>
Yesss it izzz....  WOW!  I wonder if thatb's a coinkidinky or if it was a
VERY obscure reference by someone who helped make the film.

Ron "Open the pod-bay doors" Grandia



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Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 14:20:57 -0800
From: "Ron Grandia" <[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: (exotica) Some kindly advice ...really...

Brian and all - just for fun, an observation or two...

>>I may not be understanding this correctly but unless your machine is
operating as a web server, I cannot see how your personal files could be at
risk of being probed. As I understand it, running NT server using NTFS on
all or a partition of your disk open to the web provides you with all the
protection you need from the outside.  <<

This is so not-true. I work right across the street from
Netcom/Mindspring/Earthlink, and a buddy of mine is one of them long-haired
network propeller-heads.  His stories could stand one's hair on end as to
how hackers gain access and do nasty things via the net - to all flavors of
computer.  The only safe computer it seems is one that is unplugged and
sitting in the middle of a room. If someone wants in - they can get in.
Especially of you run something like naptser. True, 95/98 is a wide-open
door, while NT is more like an unlocked but sticky bathroom window.

That being said, you gotta have someone who has a serious  interest in what
you are doing or have a big hard-on to make your life miserable. Otherwise,
the big threat is teenagers with - you guessed it - too much time on their
hands. It's the modern equivalent of a burning bag of dogshit on your porch.

It's also true the time is either coming or it has just arrived, when there
will be people who take advantage of your credit-card information that is
sitting on you computer right now if you have ever ordered anything online.
Bear in mind this takes more effort than getting a job at a restaurant and
pocketing carbons of cardslips.  When was the last time you got bitten by
that scam?

My recommendation:  leave it all out there for anyone to see.  Anyone who
takes the time to
root through my system will get what they deserve... a bad case of boredom.
As for anyone with destructive tendancies, that's where backups come in.
Fire?  Well,  the computer will be the least of my worries. If frequent NSA
encrypted backups stored in an off-site vault makes you sleep better, that's
fine too.  Just don't ever hand your credit card to anyone at Macy's either.

Boy, we have strayed far afield these days. It's always interesting though.
This group has good things to say,  but can we get back to rekkids?

Love on y'all.

Ron "stowing thrones in grass houses" Grandia




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