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exotica-digest        Thursday, March 30 2000        Volume 02 : Number 670



In This Digest:

(exotica) Luxuriamusic
Re: (exotica) New arrivals
Re: (exotica) Napster.com
(exotica) Led Zeppelin and Exotica
Re: (exotica) Napster.com
Re: (exotica) Napster.com
Re: (exotica) Napster//Gnarly
(exotica) "Target" Store Laurent Lombard Commercial
(exotica) Howl: For the New Millenium (with apologies to Allen Ginsberg)
(exotica) Help!  (Nitty Gritty)
(exotica) Re: exotica-digest V2 #668
(exotica) Which is "classic" Denny lineup?
Re: (exotica) Luxuriamusic
(exotica) Some kindly advice for BJ
(exotica) MAJOR find in SF Bay Area
(exotica) I rest my case now...
(exotica) April 1 in SF French Pop Rules
Re: (exotica) MAJOR find in SF Bay Area
Re: (exotica) Napster.com
Re: (exotica) Napster.com
Re: (exotica) A complete Venture
Re: (exotica) Drugs and Art

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Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:52:46 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) Luxuriamusic

So have most of you been over to Luxuramusic.com ? We were talking about
being addicted to drugs or booze. And some of us have mentioned music as a
drug.  I could make a case that it's possible to get addicted to Luxuria.
I listen to it a lot at work. And I'm probably going to have to get a new
computer at home just so I can listen at home.

I've had fun visiting the chat room and watching the DJ's (when they have
them on) on the studio camera.  And they take requests. .A few weeks ago I
requested Esquivel and host Chuck Kelly took the CD case with the playlist
on the back and stuck it in front of the camera. I could see the track
listings and typed in my selection and he played it. Now is that not the
coolest thing or what?

I've been hearing all sorts of new stuff, or new to me, Still trying to
figure out what some of it is really. I'll call it euro/french.  All very
very beautiful.   And a lot  of what I would call traditional lounge
exotica, latin, soundtrack and jazz vocals.   And a lot of the music is in
heavy rotation, mostly because the station can run on autopilot, but I
don't care. Not tired of it yet.

I use Windows Media Player or Quicktime. You can listen in on Real Audio
but it always dies on me. I also say this because many of the fine programs
available on the net I'm just not listening to anymore because RealAudio,
(at least on the computers I've tried it on, the T1 connected one here at
work and my brothers cable connected  home computer) really does not work.
I mention this because Is that the case with many of you?

Domenic.




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Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 01:40:00 +0200
From: Ton Rueckert <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) New arrivals

>Berry Lipman - The Most Beautiful Girls in the World - this is a dreadful,
>mushy, crap german easy listening record with the instrumental version of
>The Girls of Paramarimbo as the only worthwhile track. Still not the vocal
>version. Wonder where that one comes from?

Probably from Amsterdam, since that's where most of the Paramaribo
(I suppose it's Paramaribo rather than Paramari*M*bo) Girls have gone
after Surinam became an independent country in 1975.

Cheers, Ton


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Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 01:44:23 +0200
From: Ton Rueckert <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Napster.com

Artists to Napster: Drop dead!

To many musicians, the MP3 trading software isn't a revolution --

it's a rip-off.

http://www.salon.com/ent/feature/2000/03/24/napster_artists/index.html



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Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 19:39:20 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) Led Zeppelin and Exotica

The following is the 'exotica relevant' portion of an article about John
Paul Jones, bassist for Led Zeppelin, which appeared in today's
Washington Post.

"His parents were a musical-comedy act during the age of vaudeville.
(Mom played the accomplished singer, Dad played the fumbling pianist.)
The bills were crammed with exotica, so young John Baldwin, who toured
with his parents nonstop, heard a lifetime of music before he turned 6.
"There'd be Chinese juggling groups, Arabic tumblers, South Americans,
someone from Poland. I heard all this music all the time," Jones
recalls.

So as improbable as it sounds, the roots of Zeppelin's exotic
eclecticism--the Middle Eastern spice of "Kashmir," the Brazilian samba
break in "Fool in the Rain"--can be traced to the same source that gave
us W.C. Fields. Likewise, the band's occasional forays into
quasi-religious melodies are rooted in Jones's formative years. At 14,
he launched his performing career by playing organ and leading a choir
at his church."

The full article can be found at......
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A34884-2000Mar28.html

Vern



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Date: Wed, 29 Mar 00 16:57:18 -0800
From: "B.J. Major" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Napster.com

>BJ again writes in response to my post:
>
>> >Whoa. This is _way_ too bizarre.
>>
>> Absolutely nothing bizarre about it.
>
>What is bizarre is the continual ham-fisted approach to describing to the
>group what is generally considered mundane computer knowledge.

If it's so mundane, why the ridicule about it?  Why the snickering?  It's
obvious to anyone that you do not take data backup seriously.

*You* are the one who asked what the security issues with Napster were.
I attempted to tell you what they were *in general*.  I elaborated a bit
further to make a point about secure files and ensuring data integrity.
To quote you, "what is generally considered mundane computer knowledge"
*includes* being smart enough not to expose sensitive files in particular
(and your computer system in general) to the public-at-large using
searchable software.  It's just not a good thing to do, common-sense
wise.

>BJ - I'm sure that others on this list are getting a little tired of this
>thread - please feel free to take this offline with me if you'd like to beat
>this dead horse any further.

You apparently give no credit for others being able to either set up a
mail filter or use the delete key.  And because the subject just came up
today--it's hardly a dead horse we're beating.

>Apparently humor is lost on some (reread my original posts if you feel the
>need).

I appreciate humor as much as the next person.  What I don't appreciate
is deliberate sarcasm and nonesensical replies on factual information
that I state.

To others on the list who are genuinely interested in the *other* issues
of Napster:  there are copyright issues which are being infringed in the
use of this software, big time.  Someone on another list who actually
works for ASCAP can tell you what those issues are and why they are
serious ones.  Email me personally if you would like the person's address
to contact about this and I will put you in touch with him.  This is my
last public post on this thread, thanks to Mr. Hoel.

- --bj
Home Page w/Links to my music and classic tv sites:
http://bjbear.freeservers.com/main.html
http://members.xoom.com/bjbear71/main.html


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Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:23:34 -0800
From: "Erik Hoel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Napster.com

Continuing to beat the deadhorse, Ms. Major writes in part:

> If it's so mundane, why the ridicule about it?  Why the snickering?  It's
> obvious to anyone that you do not take data backup seriously.

Clairvoyant aren't we?

> *You* are the one who asked what the security issues with Napster were.
> I attempted to tell you what they were *in general*.  I elaborated a bit
> further to make a point about secure files and ensuring data integrity.

A "bit"?!! Did we really need to hear the grusome details of your data
integrity and security paranoia?

> To quote you, "what is generally considered mundane computer knowledge"
> *includes* being smart enough not to expose sensitive files in particular
> (and your computer system in general) to the public-at-large using
> searchable software.  It's just not a good thing to do, common-sense
> wise.

Duh.

> You apparently give no credit for others being able to either set up a
> mail filter or use the delete key.  And because the subject just came up
> today--it's hardly a dead horse we're beating.

Interesting. This is not the first time on this list that you've been
embroiled in a "just use a mail filter" discussion.

> I appreciate humor as much as the next person.  What I don't appreciate
> is deliberate sarcasm and nonesensical replies on factual information
> that I state.

Oooof!

> To others on the list who are genuinely interested in the *other* issues
> of Napster:  there are copyright issues which are being infringed in the
> use of this software, big time.  Someone on another list who actually
> works for ASCAP can tell you what those issues are and why they are
> serious ones.  Email me personally if you would like the person's address
> to contact about this and I will put you in touch with him.

No need.

> This is my last public post on this thread, thanks to Mr. Hoel.

Oh, it is Dr. Hoel to you Ms. Major - I didn't go to evil Computer Science
graduate school for six years for nothing.

Snicker.

Erik



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Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:05:06 -0500
From: Peter Gingerich <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Napster//Gnarly

This today from about.com (Digital newsletter), if anyone is interested:

Obviously its just the beginning....(of an unstoppable trend?)

==Tubular, Man==

A new file-swapping software named GNARLY! was released yesterday. GNARLY!
allows users (known as "Dudes" and "Dames") to share files in any format
including MP3, MIDI's, Zips, and everything else. Company founder Markus
Diersbock says "Unlike Napster and iMesh that require a user to download
proprietary Windows software to exchange files, GNARLY! allows users to
search and retrieve files with GNARLY!, a Web browser, or FTP client." Find
out more and sign up



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Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 10:08:03 -0800
From: Jack Diamond <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) "Target" Store Laurent Lombard Commercial

Hey!  Do any of you out there have "Target" Stores.
Maybe they only exist on the west coast.

I saw a great commercial on TV last night for, I think, Chairs, advertising
chairs and the music was LAURENT LOMBARD from Happyland!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It was a commercial for chairs and people were playing "musical chairs" and
the music
was Laurent Lombard and a tune I play all the time on my show
Can't remember the name of it though

IT ROCKS and you WILL dig it, when/if you see/hear it

Jack





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Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 10:11:33 -0800
From: Jack Diamond <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Howl: For the New Millenium (with apologies to Allen Ginsberg)

Someone forwarded this to me;

Howl.com (with apologies to Allen Ginsberg)
- - - - - - - - - - - - - ByThomas Scoville

I saw the best minds of my occupation destroyed by venture
capital, burned-out, paranoid, postal, dragging themselves through the
Cappuccino streets of Palo Alto at Dawn looking for an equity-sharing,
stock option fix, HTML-headed Web-sters coding for the infinite broadband
connection to that undiscovered e-commerce mother lode in the airy
reaches of IP namespace, who poverty and ripped Yahoo tee shirts, cubicle-eyed
and wired on Starbucks sat up surfing in the virtual ether of
one-million-dollar, one-bathroom condos next to the railroad tracks,
skipping across the links of killer Web sites contemplating ... Java,
who rammed their brains into compilers and saw Intel angels staggering on
microchips under the insane weight of investor expectation, who blew off
the search for Truth for as-yet-undreamed New Economy scams, business models
hallucinating infocapitalist messiahs on clouds of market cap, who
abandoned lucid dreams of a Better Way for Shockwave fluff and RealAudio
baubles
dangling from the buggy venality of digital commerce, who, while haunted
by the scowling ghosts of hackers past-Stallman, Nelson, Engelbart-
auctioned their immortal souls on eBay, with documentation and a full
year of support included, of course, who got busted in their spotless Nike
cross-trainers traveling through cyberspace with a file of illegal
crypto for Open Source, who ate sushi in Austin or drank microbrews in Silicon
Alley, jousting with bad mojo funk of layoffs, Chapter 11, or diluted
company stock night after night, who chained themselves to start-ups for
the endless ride from San Jose to Wall Street on adrenaline and Evian,
laptop batteries flaming out over Oklahoma, no more vegetarian entrees, sir,
would you like the latex omelet instead? endless nights of keyboard grinding
and corporate microwave popcorn and Jolt Cola until the noise of their own
deadlines brought them down, gawping, convulsing, mute, crushed beneath
their own project plans, who talked continuously about convergence and
distributed control and cluetrains and Y2K and extropians and
Libertarians and Microsoft and Linux and slashdot and wouldn't fucking shut
up, who
pointed their browsers at Red Herring and Slate and Salon.com hoping
against hope that somebody might be able to make sense of the infinitely
perverse, ball-busting, soul-scorching, silicon-supernova black hole that kept
them awake all night every night and wouldn't let them alone long enough to
find dates in this lifetime, who tattoo'd and pierced and dyed and branded
themselves in a desperate act of self-mutilating cyber-hepster cool, all
the while wearing a suit and tie on the inside they could never, ever take
off, and praying nobody would find out about the MBA, who renounced the
smokestack relics, the old guard and their father's Oldsmobile only to
find that they had been replaced by artifacts even less substantial, who
chanted the free market mantras of laissez-faire and techno-darwinism and Adam
Smith's invisible hand-job except when Big Bad Bill the Bully
Gates-of-hell came to take away their lunch.com-and became Socialists of
Convenience.org, who stalked investment bankers through Bistros and wine
bars and martini lounges, begging pleading groveling for one more hit of
funding from the luminous check-book oh please oh please oh please ah,
Bill, you are not safe, I am not safe, and now we languish in the dot com
pressure cooker hoping for one last buzz of the old hallucinations. The wrecked
avenues, the sullied conduits, the pinched pipes of a quadrillion
dropped and ruined packets. The world wide waits, the denials of service, the
infinite hosts of hardcore farm-animal boredom, ghoulish domain-name
squatters jumping out from behind every virtual tree. These failed
revolutions, these paradigms lost, the end of Web Time, and P/E ratios
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Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:49:11 -0800 (PST)
From: Peter Risser <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Help!  (Nitty Gritty)

I got a Nitty Gritty Model 1.5 FI MK2 for Christmas,
but haven't had a chance to work with it until just
recently.  Alas, I lost the directions!

Does anyone have a similar model and could forward me
some basic record cleaning instructions?

Please let me know!
Peter

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Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:12:34 -0800
From: "Stephen W. Worth" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re: exotica-digest V2 #668

exotica-digest wrote:

>Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 08:26:46 -0800
>From: "Erik Hoel" <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: (exotica) Napster.com

>Napster is certainly a cool idea - the music industry seems to be going
>after mp3.com and napster. The genie is certainly out of the bottle. The
>major problem with napster is speed and the music selection is
>_very_ pedestrian.

The best source of MP3s of stuff we are interested in is the binaries
newsgroups...

alt.binaries.sounds.78rpm-era
alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.1950s
alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.1960s

Most ISP's have terrible coverage of the binary groups. You can get
a low cost independent usenet server from supernews.com or giganews.com
Well worth the few bucks a month for the great selection of music.

Over the past few months, I've found some amazing stuff... from
Egyptian music from the twenties to whole albums ripped from vinyl
like Dean Elliot's "Zounds What Sounds" and obscure tracks by the
Hoosier Hot Shots. One guy even posted the first stereo recording,
a medley of hits by Duke Ellington's Cotton Club orchestra from
1933! It's great to be able to experiment and try new things again.
CDs are so expensive, it's impossible to take a chance on something
unknown.

See ya
Steve

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Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 20:25:39 -0800
From: Kevin Crossman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Which is "classic" Denny lineup?

I was thinking about this the other day, which is the "classic" Martin
Denny lineup? In other words, when you think "Martin Denny Group" which
do you think of?

Denny, Arthur Lyman (vibes), John Kramer (Bass), Augie Colon (percussion)
or
Denny, Julius Wechter (vibes), Harvey Ragsdale (Bass), Colon

One might argue for the original lineup, having recorded the seminal
original version of "Exotica", would be considered the classic lineup.
But, that group only recorded one album as a group.

OTOH, the second lineup existing during Denny's period of most popular
acclaim (1958-1960).

This is probably only of interests to deep-seated Martin Denny geeks
like me, but I know there are others out there...

Kevin Crossman
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Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 23:29:18 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Luxuriamusic

Dom,
We are in agreement re: real audio.  It is a waste of time for me.  I can
never hear more than one song all the way through without buffering, net
congestion, or some other excuse for the feed being interupted.  I'll try one
of those other systems you recommended.
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Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 22:58:33 -0500
From: "Brian Karasick" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Some kindly advice for BJ

 BJ wrote:
> Anytime you have your computer connected to the internet 24/7 and are
> running a program like Napster (or a host of others which, in essence
> makes your hard drive(s) "available" to others), there are security
risks...
> what's to stop someone else from writing a program that would work with
> Napster (or another application), to do a search for data sensitive,
> personal files on your computer?  Anything from your bank account
> balance, income tax data files you happen to be working on, etc.
I may not be understanding this correctly but unless your machine is
operating as a web server, I cannot see how your personal files could be at
risk of being probed. As I understand it, running NT server using NTFS on
all or a partition of your disk open to the web provides you with all the
protection you need from the outside.  The Win 95/98 FAT system offers no
such security and leaves you wide open provided you use your machine as a
web server. If so it would seem a wise idea to leave this kind of software
ie Napster alone.

> What I've been doing for a while now just to be safe is to keep ALL data
> sensitive files like the above off my main hard drives, period.  They're
> never stored there.  Those types of files I store on zip discs and back
> up weekly on CD-RWs... And, if someone happens to burgle my
> home, all the zip discs are password protected at the root level which is
> impossible to bypass!
Sounds like you have a bit too much spare time on your hands... For backups
there are numerous approaches but I look for a practical compromise since I
have a lot less spare time available. For partial or full system backups a
second hard drive, something most everyone has (ie. an old one you no longer
use) is an easy solution. Zip disks or even floppies if you are really
patient or want to pay the inflated Iomega price.  CDRW's are totally
useless as you must wipe them before re-recording and they do not allow
incremental backup which would seem to be a more "time effective" way to
backup data. For fire security it would be prudent to store copies of
critical data in a bank vault (ie. safety deposit box) and update them say
once or twice a year or as required.  Having passwod protected disks may
foil a burglar but it will also foil anyone else in the event you may not be
there to provide the password and the need may arise. I live in Canada so
this isn't a big issue (though stealing a Pentium 100 desktop would be a bit
unprofitable for the thief given its weight/value ratio) but to me, a much
simpler approach would seem to be to password protect your system at logon.

This being said I'd seriously recommend you get out more often... Between
this thread and that wacky "drugs" post I'm starting to become suspicious
that you're on the list as ringer for the moral majority or something!!! No
I really don't want you to answer this. I just can't face another discussion
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Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 20:42:54 -0800
From: Kevin Crossman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) MAJOR find in SF Bay Area

This is a good news/bad news story (of sorts).

So, I happened to be driving around Redwood City, CA the other day (near
San Francisco) and happened to see a used record store called "The
Record Man". I stopped by...

The store was a converted house and the place was literally filled from
floor to ceiling with LPs (just a few CDs and Tapes). Creaky and uneven
wood floors, chipping paint, and an old feel... but still impressed by
the volume of records. I asked the owner if they had any Exotica and he
send the other worker (his son?) to show me "Upstairs in the
Instrumental EZ listening section... there is a record player up there,
help yourself."   The kid proceeds to grab a key and walk me out the
store, then up a staircase on the side of the building. He unlocks the
door to reveal another full story full of more and more LPs.

He shows me the EZ Listening section and I immediately go to the D's to
look for Martin Denny. And what to my wondering eyes appear, but
literally 4-5 feet worth of Martin Denny LPs. Name an album and it was
there... the early stuff, the late stuff, everything!  Most in Very Good condition.

For kicks, I checked out the Arthur Lyman section. Disappointed, there
were only three feet worth of records here ;-)  !!

Unfortunately, no Exotica Suite in the Si Zetner section ... oh I forgot
to even look at the Les Baxter section I was so awestruck by the
selection in the Martin Denny section.

Well, this story doesn't have a sad ending but ain't exactly completely
rosy.  I take three albums down (Exotic Percussion, Latin Village,
Exotic Love) and ask how much. The owner proceeds to look them up in the
used record store "blue book" and says they are $20-$24 each. Ouch!  I
know the guy needs to make a living but you always hope for some sort of "steal".

So, I drop Exotic Love and leave only mildly disappointed.

Interestingly, I did talk to the guy about Exotica and he said he really
dug that stuff... but that Lyman was "his" guy. He is impressed when I
tell him I saw Lyman play in Waikiki last fall...

Not a bargain but absolutely no complaints about the selection... I will
return, soon! Kevdo says check it out.

The Record Man, 1322 El Camino Real, Redwood City, CA 94063
650-368-9065
[e-mail]

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Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 23:42:43 -0500
From: "Brian Karasick" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) I rest my case now...

BJ wrote:
> Discs for these cost a bit more, but if you buy them in bulk from a mail
order
> place, they turn out to be about $1.37 more each than computer CD-Rs.
ABOUT $1.37 more!!!





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Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 20:11:51 -0800
From: "Otto" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) April 1 in SF French Pop Rules

BARDOT IS BACK!

The Grooviest Girl in Gaul has returned to San Francisco for one night  of
Sexy Swinging and French Fun!  See her new Parisian Party Pad at 330 Ritch
Street and Celebrate Serge Gainsbourg's Birthday!

Ooh La La!

Bardot A Go-Go
330 Ritch Street, San Francisco
Saturday April 1st, 2000
9pm-2am

Brought to you by Luxuriamusic.com and Allthingsfrench.com

http://www.frankenstein.com




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Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 09:23:41 +0000
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) MAJOR find in SF Bay Area

So, I happened to be driving around Redwood City, CA the other day (near
San Francisco) and happened to see a used record store called "The
Record Man.




I'm from London, and I've been there and I've been going on about that
place for years. More than 1,000,000 alphabetically sorted records. But
pricey. And the guy who runs the place is a fucking twat.

Next time you go to Record Man, work out when the owner (Record Man
himself) isn't going to be there. Take records that probably won't be in
the main price guide, and get the son to price them. As he begins to look
up the price in the price guide, say: 'twelve dollars?' half inqusitively,
half like you know what the price should be and watch the dumb bastard
stick $12 on the record for you (e.g., mint copy of the Barbarella
soundtrack). Make sure you bring a big pile to the counter. He'll price the
first few by the book, and then laziness will set in. The further down the
pile he goes, the easier you'll find it is to suggest your own prices. It's
all about psychology.

Charlie

PS. Why do so many Americans start their sentences with 'so'. Is it from
watching too much TV? :-)


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Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 01:24:37 -0800
From: paul <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Napster.com

the funny thing is napster/macster, don't even scratch the surface
of what is "going on" out there overall.  there are many other comparable
venues, that i won't elaborate upon and you'll never read about in
commercial media.

as a guy that's worked at indie record labels and put out more than
a few groups on my own lil occassional label venture... i have really
mixed feelings about whats occurring.

while unlimited free downloads in theory exposes new groups, in practice
what you really have is 95,000 unknown living room recording artists'
unloading their demos as product on MP3.com ...  and all the real file
sharing is kids downloading tracks, albums, and videos by predominantly
the 'existing order' of entertainment conglomerate acts being pushed,
or already established.

i dare anyone to actually try to spend an
hour downloading or streaming new acts by browsing through MP3.com...
the experience is sheer torture.   95,000 acts in 280 music genre
catagories !?!   (yes, those are the actual numbers, not exaggeration
for dramas' sake).

has the aggregate talent of those 95,000 acts produced even ONE
act that has gone on to even significant regional success, much
less national ... no it hasn't.

unless a band is confident they can benefit from giving away their
music, in by packing concert halls or something i am at a loss to
discern how they are better off ?  so, they're trading one greedy
boss (an 'evil' record company) for another (music fans that want
free music) ...

i can confess i'm not terribly psyched about ponying up a few to
several thousand bucks (which i've done) given what is going on
currently.  i'm totally into sharing files and sampling music online
and shit ...but spend a couple hours in the quad of any major university...
every other conversation you'll hear someone ...  "yeah, i'll burn
you a cd of it, so you don't have to buy it ..."   95% of university
students have T-1 speed online access now.

Paul Moshay




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Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 01:34:38 -0800
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Napster.com

> i can confess i'm not terribly psyched about ponying up a few to
> several thousand bucks (which i've done) recording/releasing
> groups given what is going on currently.

> i'm totally into sharing files and sampling music online
> and shit ...but spend a couple hours in the quad of any major university...
> every other conversation you'll hear someone ...  "yeah, i'll burn
> you a cd of it, so you don't have to buy it ..."   95% of university
> students have T-1 speed online access now.



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Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 12:14:20 +0200
From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) A complete Venture

Nat Kone wrote:

> This is a hard thing to talk about without actually playing the stuff for
> you but I guess that's not the first time that's happened on this list.

No problem. I get it. I thought you were talking about records before those who
you call the early ones. I am relieved that there are none. All the others you
talk about I have and I like both styles. One thing that changed during the 60s
in general was the  use of heavy reverb amplifiers. The drier pieces of the
Ventures have a fascination of their own, sometimes they sound almost like
chamber music.

> I used to think they were kind of a joke band but then I bought this great
> CD "The ep Collection".  And then I heard "In space".
> They really did have a sound that was somehow distinct from other guitar
> instrumental or surf bands.  I can't explain it but it's unmistakable.

They are very good instrumentalists, they seldom fail grooving. Everything is
more lightly than other guitar groups. Maybe that's what some experience as too
"studio" and too "polite", but I like it. Especially decades after it was created
when all questions of political statements have lost their meaning and only craft
and mastership count.

Mo



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Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 12:15:30 +0200
From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Drugs and Art

Stephen W. Worth wrote:

> >From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
> >Subject: (exotica) Drugs and music (was: More More! Religious Records)
>
> >You take for granted that these artists would make interesting art
> >without their drug abuse.
>
> Art is a combination of feeling, inborn talent and practiced skill.
> Drugs do nothing to give one talent or skill, they can only tear
> down the barriers to experiencing feelings. The problem is, most of
> the time the barrier blocking a creative person from feeling and
> creating is erected by the addiction itself. It's a vicious cycle
> that doesn't do anyone any good. Drugs aren't responsible for art,
> artists are.

OK. The digest mode seems to create flashbacks on threads that already en=
ded.
No problem. Let's do it again.

As I see it, many misunderstandings come from the way we think and argue.=
  I
have to be a little bit basic here:
I grew up reading G.W.F. Hegel, who was a German philosopher of the 18th/=
19th
century. The big thing about Hegel and the real progress he caused in
philosophy was, that contradictions aren't just contradictions. Contradic=
tions
always contain a nucleus of common meaning, otherwise you couldn't compar=
e two
statements to find out they are contradictions. That's why for me it is n=
ot at
all hard to understand, why on one hand, yes, it's the artist, who makes =
and
is responsible for art, and, yes, on the other hand, a drug can take an
influence on an artist, that absolutely changes his way to see the world =
and
therefore changes his art. So a drug really can have an influence on art.=
 What
you say up there to me is only a scholastic statement with no significant
meaning to the subject we discussed.
What we discussed was, why apparently did and still do so many artists us=
e
drugs? Nobody said, they created art under the direct influence of drugs.
Nobody said, they don't have talent. Nobody said they don't have to pract=
ice
to develop skills. Nobody said, drugs can't ruin a person. Nobody even sa=
id,
that taking the drug has something to do with their art directely, they m=
ight
drink just to not feel lonely. But it is so obvious and proven that
aquaintances with drugs have offered people - not only artists, btw - vie=
ws,
that they could use to create art, inventions, emotional changes in
relationships, visions of a better world etc.  We may differ, to what ext=
ent
these drug experiences have changed the world, directly and indirectly. B=
ut
that wasn't the point of the discussion. The point was, that it's impossi=
ble
to claim, that all that drugs ever do is to ruin talented artists and tha=
t
without drugs these artists would all stay creative persons till their hi=
gh
age. It's like saying, all these great artists were so stupid to take dru=
gs,
when it is so obvious that drugs don't do anything good to them, only rui=
n
them, take away their creativity and health and finally their life. Do yo=
u
really believe that? Dont tell me, the artists who made "Los Tres Caballe=
ros"
didn't make the aquaintance of any psychedelic drugs while travelling Sou=
th
America in 1941 to make scetches for the film. Because I wouldn't believe=
 it.
I wouldn't even believe it if they would tell me themselves. And once a f=
ilm
like that is out, the influence of psychedelics is carried into the art o=
f
others, who've seen it, without them taking drugs themselves.

The interesting point in your post is, that one way drugs work is tearing=
 down
barriers to experience emotions. I agree. And thoughts and visions, I add.
These barriers haven't always been there. One major reason for such barri=
ers
is our modern world, competition society with its insane contradictory de=
mands
on the individual. The clash of a highly artificial society and a natural
inner self creates all kinds of schizophrenic dilemmas and may block free
emotions and creativity. So if you are not one of those few people who li=
ve on
a constant natural high and have halucinations even without drugs, like D=
al=ED
or Picasso, a drug may help you to become one with your own nature for a =
few
hours, which can be a truly important experience, if only to show you tha=
t you
have been unhappy all the time before. It can be like going back to natur=
e.
It's an encounter with your most archaic feelings, that were buried by mo=
dern
life. And here we are in the middle of what Exotica is all about. I thoug=
ht
this thread is very much list-related, but apparently not many see it tha=
t
way.


Mo



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