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exotica-digest         Thursday, March 9 2000         Volume 02 : Number 646



In This Digest:

Re: (exotica) Jazz/Improvisation
(exotica) Labels, Labels, Labels
(exotica) Peter Thomas soundtrack
Re: (exotica) What is Jazz? (was Exotica issues)
(exotica) Great Record Collector article
Re: (exotica) Great Record Collector article
(exotica) Kindeygarden
RE: (exotica) anti-jazz
Re: (exotica) What is Jazz? (was Exotica issues)
Re: (exotica) Re: exotica-digest V2 #644
Re: (exotica) reccomendations?
Re: (exotica) reccomendations?
(exotica) Re: I'll Drink to That!
Re: (exotica) anti-jazz
(exotica) categories
(exotica) categories
(exotica) tv skim
(exotica) FYI: Copyright Resources Online
(exotica) Re: Bozo
Re:  (exotica) categories
(exotica) Oh Yeah
(exotica) Jazz CafΘ- Playlist, Monday 06 March Phoenix Student Radio 107.5 FM
(exotica) Cribbed Record Covers
(exotica) What Is Exotica
Re: (exotica) I'll Drink to That!
(exotica) hybrids
Re: (exotica) I'll Drink to That!
(exotica) No-Apology Analogies
(exotica) Is Jazz What
Re: (exotica) Is Jazz What
Re: (exotica) Is Jazz What
Re: (exotica) Re:  Exotica Kindergarten
Re: (exotica) What is Jazz? (was Exotica issues)
Re: (exotica) Cribbed Record Covers

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Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 12:44:31 +0100
From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Jazz/Improvisation

If there will ever be a book about the highlights of the Exotica list, I want
this to be included:


Brian Phillips wrote:

> Miles Davis once said, "Don't call it Jazz, call it music." That may seem
> to be a bit abrasive to some but the word Jazz once had a rather naughty
> connotation to it as it, "I just jazzed that woman good".  Think about
> that.  Would you wish to play a music in which you are expressing yourself
> (provided you have the talent to do so) in a glorious and beautiful way,
> something which you went to college for, don't get paid much for, can't get
> much play on the radio for, only to hear someone say, "That was Brian
> Phillips and his Orchestra, one of the greatest performers of F**k
> music.  Let's bring him to the microphone.  When did you get interested in
> F**k and did your Father teach you?  How long have you played F**k and
> could you kindly tell the neophyte listeners, 'What the Jazz IS F**k
> music'?  Do you have any advice to youngsters who aspire to F**k...", etc.,
> etc,.

Mo


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Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 07:15:37
From: Brad Bigelow <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Labels, Labels, Labels

Lawrence Wechsler once wrote a book about the artist Robert Irwin titled,
"Seeing is Forgetting the Name of the Thing One Sees."

I'd paraphrase that:  "Listening is Forgetting the Name of the Thing One
Hears."

If you have to have categories, make 'em good ones:

>And having said that, I'm off to get Bossafied.

>Twisty
>Noir
>Big Bandish
>Pepsi Generation
>Tangy
>Percussion Graft
>Bossafied
>Cocktail Suave
>Vegas Brass

Bravo, Ross!

I'm off to get Bossafied.

Brad


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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 13:18:40 +0000
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Peter Thomas soundtrack

Anybody know a soundtrack called Le Mariage Parfait (The perfect marriage)
by Peter Thomas?

Its rather expensive on Ebay today:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=274384763

and as we all know the man Thomas, could this be worth a bid?



Charlie


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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 08:22:07 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) What is Jazz? (was Exotica issues)

In a message dated 3/7/00 6:56:19 PM EST, [e-mail] writes:

<< Mark:  as you can see, people's opinions on this vary, but from what I
 was taught, "what is" jazz is not found on transcribed "notes on a page"
 (to quote Mr. Holland's Opus).  >>


"What a load of crap" (to quote Grease 2)

Ashley


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Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 08:28:56 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) Great Record Collector article

There's a great, great, great article in today's Washington Post, about
a guy in Baltimore who has 100,000 records in his house.  It's quite an
amazing story ... evidently he has one of a kind high quality stuff that
the Smithsonian, the Country Hall of Hame, and others are simply
drooling over.

There's a few real good jazz related tidbits that are also real
interesting.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A38192-2000Mar8.html

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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 13:53:52 +0000
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Great Record Collector article

145,000 records is just ridiculous. Think of the cost/value! Or the idea of
trying to play them all before you die!

What a great article. I'm jealous.



Charlie


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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 05:59:29 -0800 (PST)
From: Peter Risser <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Kindeygarden

I simply try to expose my kids to as much musics as I
can, to get them interested and open their ears.
Sure, my kids like Backstreet Boys, but they also
really like Sesame Street, James Brown, Air, Itsy
Bitsy Teeny Weenie Yellow Polka Dot Bikini and that
Metallica cover of the Nick Cave song.

So, yeah.  Mostly they listen to Backstreet Boys, but
they are listening to what they like, not what
everyone says is cool, and I can respect that.

Especially since, when I was a kid, I grew up
listening to country, like Kenny Rogers, Barbara
Mandrell, Statler Brothers and John Denver.  I also
loved Barry Manilow and the Beach Boys.  Then I
discovered pop during the 80s and listened to Men at
Work, Cyndi Lauper and all those bands.  In high
school, I discovered classic rock.  Also Art of Noise.
 In college, I discovered the Smiths, Pixies, The
Cure, as well as classical, avant garde, electronic
(noise, not dance) and so on.  Then Fishbone and
Primus.  Then John Zorn and his group.  Then heavy
rock like Melvins and Ruins.  Then back to Prog like
Soft Machine, Yes and King Crimson.  Meanwhile Zorn
also brought me to Morricone, while Harry Connick
introduced me to vocal jazz, which brought me to Julie
London, Helen Merrill and Blossom Dearie, all of
which, plus Sesame Street, brought me into lounge.

So, okay.

As long as he's listening and enjoying the music,
whatever he chooses to enjoy is his business and I
support him in that.

Besides, all kids rebel against their parents and hate
their parents' music, so I don't want to expose him
too much to cool stuff, or he'll grow up to hate it.
:)

Finally, I just want to say that he organized a group
of kids in his neighborhood to try and put on a
Stomp-like show.  They were out there banging on cans
and pushing brooms and shouting and having a great
time.

I was so proud.

Peter
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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:08:27 -0500
From: "Rajnai, Charles, NNAD" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) anti-jazz

> Here's a twist to the question on what jazz is.
> What would you consider to be the complete opposite of jazz?


That would have to be Country & Western.  But I may be saying that only
because I hate it so much.

Charlieman


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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 00 08:17:38 -0800
From: "B.J. Major" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) What is Jazz? (was Exotica issues)

>In a message dated 3/7/00 6:56:19 PM EST, [e-mail] writes:
>
><< Mark:  as you can see, people's opinions on this vary, but from what I
> was taught, "what is" jazz is not found on transcribed "notes on a page"
> (to quote Mr. Holland's Opus).  >>
>
>
>"What a load of crap" (to quote Grease 2)
>
>Ashley

Usually I would not respond to such posts lacking zero thought behind
them, but I suggest you pick up a book and look up "what is jazz"
yourself.  You will find that it has absolutely nothing to do with
reading printed music notation.

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Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 21:21:18 +1100
From: Philip Jackson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: exotica-digest V2 #644

on 9/3/00 2:24 PM, Keith E. Lo Bue at [e-mail] wrote:

> complete with little boombox, as two homeys
> break in the background, that belongs on everyone's 'The Earth Has Broken
> Out Of Its Orbit And We're Hurtling Towards The Sun' compilation.

I'll take a CD-R of your one of these right away, Keith!

Philip
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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:18:47 -0500
From: "Br. Cleve" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) reccomendations?

At 4:56 AM -0500 3/9/00, w m wrote:

>  also i saw an italian movie soundtrack for a film called arrriva la bomba
>which looks quite good.

It's actually a compilation of 60's/70's Italian tracks, not a soundtrack.
It's in the funky, Now Sound vein, with some great tracks and some not so
great tracks. The prize on it is the first digital release of Morricone's
"Deep Down", the theme to the cult film "Danger: Diabolik", which was only
released on an Italian single. The orginal tapes were believed for years to
be lost, but the folks at Irma persisted and were able to excevate it.

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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:45:31 +0000
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) reccomendations?

Arriva la Bomba is one of those compilations that I didn't quite
understand. A mixture of low quality Italian pop and that Deep Down thing?
Is that a classic? I'd say avoid this one (especially if it's expensive).

Charlie


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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:31:23 +0100
From: Johan Dada Vis <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re: I'll Drink to That!

Fred Astaire: Astairable Fred - lp, DRG MRS 911, USA, 1987: contains the
song "the martini"

        Johan

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Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 15:03:47 -0500
From: Nat Kone <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) anti-jazz

At 08:25 PM 3/8/00 -0500, [e-mail] wrote:
>
>Here's a twist to the question on what jazz is.
>What would you consider to be the complete opposite of jazz?

Celine Dion. New Country (most of it anyway, maybe not Alan Jackson or
Ricky Skaggs).  Steven Spielberg movies.  Allen Keyes.  McDonald's.
National Anthems (in the English speaking world anyway).  Up With People.
Little Marcy (except when she scats).  Susan Carpenter McMillan.  Arnold
Schwarzenegger.

It's hurting my head to try and think of more.

Nat



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Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 15:03:49 -0500
From: Nat Kone <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) categories

At 12:43 PM 3/9/00 +0100, Moritz R wrote:
>
>There it is again, the old fear of categorization, of "defining"
things.What's the >point? Am I not listening carefully, because I talk
about it? Is making categories
 >a crime? Does it limit me?

I have to agree with Moritz here.  As much as I respect CK and his
point-of-view, there's always one person who interrupts your endless,
obsessive discussion about musical categories with some cliche like
"There's only two categories.  Stuff you like and stuff you don't like"  Or
"There's only two categories.  Good music and bad music".
And everyone goes "Yeah he's right" and feels guilty about their silly
discussion.  And I always want to kill that person.  (Except in this case
of course.)
Thinking about categories or genres or sub-categories is central to what I
do.  And I don't mean just collecting records.  More importantly I also
mean my work.  Making films.  Writing.
I don't necessarily think of them as categories.  Sometimes I think of them
as "colours".  Sometimes I think of them as "elements".  But it's not much
different from categorizing music.
And sometimes I use musical categories when trying to communicate with a
collaborator such as an editor or a writer or a composer.  "This scene is a
bit more Coltrane and a bit less Blue Note".  I don't think I've ever said
that exactly but I've said things like that.  And even more obscure than that.
Sometimes I slice the categories so thinly, you can barely discern a
difference.  But it works for me.
I'm always trying to create a hybrid of sorts, trying to combine elements
from different categories.  Everybody does it to one degree or another.
When you're writing something and for instance, fashioning a subplot, you
might think "Okay this is kind of a melodrama. I could use something a bit
more jazzy here to offset it".
And it works when I'm just listening to a record too.  A lot of the records
I like, it's because I think I'm hearing all these different elements - or
categories - being brought to bear.  Sometimes the elements fight each
other a bit.  Sometimes the failure of the combination can be a joy in itself.
This is not to say that I want to argue about jazz forever.  Although I
could imagine having a running argument like that with a friend.
I think I understand the "no categories" mentality.  And I can even
understand it existing on this list where we talk about all this different
music and it all seems to fit.  At the same time though, with all the talk
of Italian soundtracks and Kinky Beats and samples, which to me are all
about combining elements, it's funny that people would say "Enough with the
categories!"

Nat



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Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 15:03:45 -0500
From: Nat Kone <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) categories

At 12:43 PM 3/9/00 +0100, Moritz R wrote:
>
>There it is again, the old fear of categorization, of "defining"
things.What's the >point? Am I not listening carefully, because I talk
about it? Is making categories
 >a crime? Does it limit me?

I have to agree with Moritz here.  As much as I respect CK and his
point-of-view, there's always one person who interrupts your endless,
obsessive discussion about musical categories with some cliche like
"There's only two categories.  Stuff you like and stuff you don't like"  Or
"There's only two categories.  Good music and bad music".
And everyone goes "Yeah he's right" and feels guilty about their silly
discussion.  And I always want to kill that person.  (Except in this case
of course.)
Thinking about categories or genres or sub-categories is central to what I
do.  And I don't mean just collecting records.  More importantly I also
mean my work.  Making films.  Writing.
I don't necessarily think of them as categories.  Sometimes I think of them
as "colours".  Sometimes I think of them as "elements".  But it's not much
different from categorizing music.
And sometimes I use musical categories when trying to communicate with a
collaborator such as an editor or a writer or a composer.  "This scene is a
bit more Coltrane and a bit less Blue Note".  I don't think I've ever said
that exactly but I've said things like that.  And even more obscure than that.
Sometimes I slice the categories so thinly, you can barely discern a
difference.  But it works for me.
I'm always trying to create a hybrid of sorts, trying to combine elements
from different categories.  Everybody does it to one degree or another.
When you're writing something and for instance, fashioning a subplot, you
might think "Okay this is kind of a melodrama. I could use something a bit
more jazzy here to offset it".
And it works when I'm just listening to a record too.  A lot of the records
I like, it's because I think I'm hearing all these different elements - or
categories - being brought to bear.  Sometimes the elements fight each
other a bit.  Sometimes the failure of the combination can be a joy in itself.
This is not to say that I want to argue about jazz forever.  Although I
could imagine having a running argument like that with a friend.
I think I understand the "no categories" mentality.  And I can even
understand it existing on this list where we talk about all this different
music and it all seems to fit.  At the same time though, with all the talk
of Italian soundtracks and Kinky Beats and samples, which to me are all
about combining elements, it's funny that people would say "Enough with the
categories!"

Nat


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Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 15:03:51 -0500
From: "m.ace" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) tv skim

Some music-y movies coming up on US TV (eastern times)...

Breakfast At Tiffany's (1961)
Mancini, 'natch.
TCM - Saturday night, 8:00pm

The Girls On The Beach (1965)
With the Beach Boys, Lesley Gore and cross-dressing Beatles imitators.
AMC - Saturday night, 10:00pm, 4:00am

Note that this month AMC is inserting a lot of Beach Boys tidbits in their
in-between segments in this Saturday night zone.

Love Happy (1949)
Harpo and harp.
AMC - Sunday morning, 6:30am

Fun In Acapulco (1963)
El...
AMC - Sunday morning, 10:00am

The Day The Earth Stood Still (1951)
For the theremin fetishists.
AMC - Sunday night, 10:15pm

Ocean's Eleven (1960)
Rat Pack, man.
AMC - Monday night, 8:30pm, 2:35am

Blue Hawaii (1961)
...vis
AMC - Monday night, 10:45pm

The 5,000 Fingers Of Dr. T. (1953)
The ultimate piano lesson... practice, practice!
TCM - Tuesday morning, 10:00am

Greenwich Village (1944)
Carmen Miranda, William Bendix song & dance in a toga.
AMC - Tuesday afternoon, 12:15pm

X: The Man With X-Ray Eyes (1963)
Baxter tracker.
AMC - Wednesday morning, 6:00am


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Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 15:24:04 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) FYI: Copyright Resources Online

Copyright Resources Online
http://www.library.yale.edu/%7Eokerson/copyproj.html

The Yale University Library has created Copyright Resources Online, a
rich resource filled with links relating to copyright issues. This
index is divided into two sections: University Copyright Resources
and Non-University Intellectual Property Resources. The two sections
are first shown only as alphabetical lists of Websites that serve as
sources of information; however, further down the page, each Website
is thoroughly annotated including, where applicable, hyperlinked,
annotated lists of on-site working papers, guides, and other
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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 12:28:02 -0800
From: "Stephen W. Worth" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re: Bozo

exotica-digest wrote:

>I've got a NM copy of Under The Sea and am equipped
>to spit out a fully packaged CD-R for you.
>This copy is one of those Captiol 33-1/3 LP reissues.

In case you didn't know, the LP re-releases of the Bozo records
were censored. From what I hear, Bozo Under The Sea doesn't
include some of the near death experience of the 78 version,
and Bozo's Rocket Ship omits the Ubangis with their boingy
lips.

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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:36:53 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re:  (exotica) categories

In a message dated 3/9/0 3:00:13 PM, [e-mail] wrote:

>the failure of the combination can be a joy in itself.

Reworded: The failure of the combination is the essence of exotica. Exotica
IS glorious failure.  Which is so perfect because "success" in musical terms
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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 13:56:51 -0800 (PST)
From: chuck <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Oh Yeah

Its funny Peter, when I first started buying exotica vinyl again Girl Watching by
the Okasions was one of my first buys.  I played it a lot and and got into this
soul pop  (blue eyed soul) music style.  I have been wanting more of this music
ever since.  I'm an Okasions fan.   I know the late 60's had to have many more
bands along this style.

Easy listening in the Big Easy
Chuck

- --- Peter Risser <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Anyway, I had to put back: Girl Watching by the
> O'Kaysions and
>
> Should I run right back and pick those up, or am I
> okay without them in my life right now?

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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 22:18:32 GMT
From: Vanessa M Cox <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Jazz CafΘ- Playlist, Monday 06 March Phoenix Student Radio 107.5 FM

Hello,

I did my first radio show on Monday, so I thought I'd be self-indulgent a=
nd send the playlist.=20
Cheers!


Elis Regina: Roda
LP: Elis
PHILIPS=3DP765.001P

Laika: Uneasy
CD: Good Looking Blues
TOO PURE=3DPure 89CD

Dizzy Gillepsie: Bang Bang
CD: Dizzy
VERVE=3D533 846-2

Balan=E7o: More
CD: More
SCHEMA=3DSCCD 310

Louis and Bebe Barron: Graveyard- A Night with Two Moons
LP: Forbidden Planet- Original MGM Soundtrack
SMALL PLANET=3DPR-001-8

Plaid: New Boss Hippo
CD: Rest Proof Clockwork
WARP=3DWARP CD63

Bruce Haack, Esther Nelson and Dimension 5 Records: Motorcycle Ride
CD: Listen Compute Rock Home
EMPEROR NORTON RECORDS=3DEMN 7021

Jean Jacques Perrey: E.V.A.
CD: Moog Indigo
BGP RECORDS=3DCDBGPM103

Niagara: Rhythm Go
LP (v/a): Gl=FCcklich II
COMPOST RECORDS=3DCOMPOST 021

Gustav Brom Orchestra: Waldmadchen
CD (v/a): Talkin' Jazz Vol. III
TALKIN' LOUD=3D553 585-2

Broadcast: Belly Dance
EP: Extended Play
WARP=3DWAP129

Frank Comstock and his Orchestra: Out of this World
LP: Project: Comstock- Music for Outer Space
WARNER BROS=3DWS 1463

Gilberto Gil: Margin=E1lia II
LP: Gilberto Gil
PHILIPS=3D 6488 147

Bossa Nostra featuring Bruna Loppez: Apocalypso
CD: Kharmalion
IRMA CASADIPRIMORDINE=3DIRMA494503-2

Cal Tjader: Maramoor Mambo
CD: Cal Tjader- Roots of Acid Jazz
VERVE=3D531 562-2

Miles Davis: Black Satin
LP: On the Corner
CBS=3DPC31906

Also played Raymond Scott's Powerhouse and T=F4 by Tom  Z=E9 to fill time.








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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:34:54 -0800 (PST)
From: Peter Risser <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Cribbed Record Covers

Ween has an album called The Pod, where they took the
cover of Leonard Cohen's Best Of from 1975, and pasted
one of their own faces over it.

That's all I know of.

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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 14:36:01 -0800 (PST)
From: Peter Risser <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) What Is Exotica

Okay, here's my take on Exotica, which I just
scribbled down for a FAQ I'm creating:

How can you define exotica? ItÆs a broad reaching term
for a music that primarily consisted of South Seas
influenced 50Æs instrumental pop, like Martin Denny,
Arthur Lyman and Les Baxter. In its broader
sensibility it represents any sort of backwater thrift
finds in the instrumental pop category from say, the
early fifties to the mid seventies, though naturally
thereÆs stuff worth discussing before and after that
period. In this sense itÆs also known as Space Age
Bachelor Pad Music, Hi-Fi music, Lounge music and so
on. Some genres that fall under the general banner of
Exotica are: exotica, soft pop, now sounds, hi-fi
recordings, organ music, sixties soundtracks,
percussion explorations, moog showcases, brass
projects, production music, blaxploitation,
psychsploitation, prepared piano, spoken word,
industrial promotions, and anything general wacky or
off-key. The core sensibilities behind exotica seem to
be novel arrangements, a distinct pop sensibility and
a concentration on high-fidelity sound. This is often
paired with a (possibly failed) attempt to be hip or a
sincere attempt, with varying degrees of success, at
something which in retrospective seems quite bizarre.



So, yeah.  Tijuana Brass counts, and indeed I included
a tune from them on a mix I'm making.

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Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 16:37:53 -0700
From: kendoll <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) I'll Drink to That!

Brad Bigelow wrote:
>
> I'm assembling a list of cocktail-related tunes and albums for a new
> listener's guide page on the Space Age Pop website--things like "Cugie's
> Cocktails," Pete Candoli's "Moscow Mule and Many More Kicks," where all the
> tunes are named for some kind of drink.

i've been trying to compile a cocktail tune list for a radio show and here's
what i have so far:
hot toddy (julie london's version is nice)
rum & coca cola (barry white's version is called rum and coke)
one mint julep
tequila, too much tequila, tequila twist & other tequila sequels, imitators & parodies
bloody mary (from south pacific), or for a song that is actually about the
cocktail, bloody mary morning by willie nelson

and that's all i have so far. hope it's of some help.


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Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 19:12:55 -0500
From: Nat Kone <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) hybrids

Speaking of jazz hybrids, are you folks familiar with the Ernest Ranglin CD
"Below the Bassline"?  I guess they call it "reggae jazz".  But I think
it's a great record and somehow I was reminded of it by our recent discussion.

Nat



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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 19:09:51 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) I'll Drink to That!

Here's some drinkin tunes from ole Dean Martin:
Little Ole Wine Drinker Me
Drinking Chamagne
Party Dolls And Wine
Hey Brother Pour The Wine

and others I'm sure....


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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 11:47:00 +1100
From: "Keith E. Lo Bue" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) No-Apology Analogies

- ----------
>From: [e-mail] (exotica-digest)
>To: [e-mail]
>Subject: exotica-digest V2 #645
>Date: Thu, Mar 09, 2000, 10:46 PM
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>Music is not a tv dinner with neat little dividers to keep everything
>separated. It's a big, yummy stew with all sorts of good things all mixed
>up. Grab a spoon and enjoy!

Boy do I love a good SOOP metaphor!  ;-)

Keith

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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 12:22:51 +1100
From: "Keith E. Lo Bue" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Is Jazz What

>This morning I looked up "jazz" in several music textbooks.

Well, BJ, I'll spare the groans for courtesy.  I will, however, cite an
excellent quote by Frank Zappa:

"Writing about music is like dancing about architecture."

I know this is in vogue right now, there being the recent film 'Dancing
about Architecture', but it is worth mentioning it here, as it applies.
Music texts generalize and catagorize in order to guide their texts.
Written language cannot fully define an inherently different and independent
means of expression, which is what that quote drives at. You'll fail every
time, if you try anything more exact than mere suggestion. One can't take
these books and come away with the blinders they create...the world is too
liquid for that, and boundaries blur more every day.  Odds are these texts
were written a while ago?

ck, I laughed when I read your pissy post, and 'here-here'-ed at the time,
but I welcome threads like this on the list.  It's a better read than the
Shriners debacle.

Keith

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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 00 17:59:22 -0800
From: "B.J. Major" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Is Jazz What

>You'll fail every
>time, if you try anything more exact than mere suggestion. One can't take
>these books and come away with the blinders they create...the world is too
>liquid for that, and boundaries blur more every day.  Odds are these texts
>were written a while ago?

Whether they were written yesterday or 30 yrs. ago, the basic definition
of jazz would not change because jazz has existed for many decades before
I was in college!  If jazz was impossible to define more than "mere
suggestion", as you say, teaching people the basics of it or what it
encompasses would be impossible (and that is not the case).

I won't say more than that because this whole debate is getting very
tiresome (for me).  Others on the list who feel duly compelled, please
feel free to take up the torch and run with it.

For anyone on this list with a sincere interest in having the "What is
Jazz?" question answered, I found an excellent website written by pros
that provides enough basic answers to get you started on your journey:

http://artsedge.kennedy-center.org/pwtv/whatis.html

Toodles.

Regards,
- --bj
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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 23:09:59 -0500
From: "Mike Horne" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Is Jazz What

>"Writing about music is like dancing about architecture."
    Funny how noone seems to find it odd that most ballet is inspired by
narrative storytelling...
    ;P
    Mike



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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:46:12 -0500
From: Bump <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Re:  Exotica Kindergarten

There's Jonny Lang,   rough-edged rock 'n' roll. They had a "live" Back
Door Boys concert where interspersed
>between stage performances,

- --and you 'rents
>know what I'm talkin' 'bout!--we videotaped it so the kidz could see it over
>and over



- -- "Daddy...What's a Back Door Boy?"
                      WHA. WHA. WHA!

                              ...IT'S SHOWTIME FOLKS!!!


>>>  >>>>>>> >>>>> Yeah i think i NEED to see that one! <<<<<< <<<<<<<<<<<  <<<


                   bUmP

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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 00:24:24 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) What is Jazz? (was Exotica issues)

In a message dated 3/9/00 11:19:51 AM EST, [e-mail] writes:

<< ><< Mark:  as you can see, people's opinions on this vary, but from what I
 > was taught, "what is" jazz is not found on transcribed "notes on a page"
 > (to quote Mr. Holland's Opus).  >>
 >
 >
 >"What a load of crap" (to quote Grease 2)
 >
 >Ashley

 Usually I would not respond to such posts lacking zero thought behind
 them, but I suggest you pick up a book and look up "what is jazz"
 yourself.  You will find that it has absolutely nothing to do with
 reading printed music notation.
  >>

Actualy there was quite a lot of thought put into that response. That bit of
parody perfectly sums up the zero thought of using a definition of jazz as
heard in "Mr. Holland's Opus"to make a point!!

So "jazz has nothing to do with printed notation"??? I guess that means that
no place on earth is there sheet music available of jazz compoositions??? I
guess Walter Wanderly was not a jazz artist because he used pre-set
arrangements. Did Mr. Holland write that book where you got that definition
of jazz too?

Ashley


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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 21:35:47 -0800
From: "Ron Grandia" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Cribbed Record Covers

>Ween has an album called The Pod, where they took the
>cover of Leonard Cohen's Best Of from 1975, and pasted
>one of their own faces over it.

Is this a reply to another message? If so I missed it, so at the risk of
repeating any previous answers, a few that spring to mind:

Beastie Boys's "In Sound from Way Out" Tips the artistic hat to Perrey and
Kingsley by borrowing heavily from the original.

Man or Astroman has a cover that's an outright copy of Atileo Mineo's Man in
Space with Sounds. In fact, it's so good, Jack Diamond thought he had 5
sealed copies of "Man in Space" in his hands untill he got to the checkout
counter at a local record store. Doh!

Herb Alpert's "Whipped Cream" has been "referenced" a number of times.

I just saw a record the other day that was a perfect derivation of  one of
those Command "Percussion" records... I forget the name...

I hope this is what you mean by cribbed record covers.

Ron




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