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exotica-digest        Tuesday, January 12 1999        Volume 02 : Number 287



In This Digest:

Re: (exotica) Exoticanewbies!
Re: (exotica) More on foreign payment
(exotica) MIKIS THEODORAKIS
(exotica) bootleggin' - one resolution
(exotica) Shag (working with)
Re: (exotica) bootleggin' - one resolution
(exotica) Kahiki Question
Re: (exotica) Kahiki Question
Re: (exotica) More on foreign payment
Re: (exotica) More on foreign payment
Re: (exotica) bootleggin' - one resolution
(exotica) Stalactpipe Organ
(exotica) Re: The Great Stalacpipe Organ
Re: (exotica) Stalactpipe Organ
(exotica) Long L&R review
(exotica) 'lil show
(exotica) Great Stalactite Organ
(exotica) See for yourself
Re: (exotica) See for yourself
Re:  Re: (exotica) See for yourself
Re: (exotica) On the Rocks
(exotica) "Bullets" over bra-way
(exotica) Calling all radio DJ's
(exotica) Exotica 101
(Fwd) Re: (exotica) bootleggin' - one resolution
Re: (exotica) bootleggin' - one resolution
Re: (exotica) Calling all radio DJ's
(exotica) Ahmad Jamal
(exotica) Ernie TV and more
(exotica) To B(ootleg) or not to B(ootleg)?
Re: (exotica) On the Rocks

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 01:14:10 -0500
From: Ross Orr <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Exoticanewbies!

>I notice nobody has taken on the thankless task of listing a bunch more
>names that would help define the "basic library".  I guess there's always
>Ross's FAQ but I have no idea where he's got that stashed.

Hey, it's just sitting out here on my desktop, waiting for the phone to
ring. . .

What happened actually was that back when I was actively compiling it, I
emailed Lazlo to see if there might be a spot for it on the official list
web page (the FAQ currently there is pretty fragmentary, and it's
originator has left the list). But I didn't get any "nibbles" back from him
(nyuck nyuck). So if somebody else would care to host it on their website.
. .

Anyway the relevant FAQ entry was:

>Q: If someone were just beginning to hunt for exotica records, what would
>be a few good things to look out for?
>
>A: Though such a list is bound to be incomplete and disputable, here are
>some suggestions:
>
>  * Ur-exotica LPs from Les Baxter, Martin Denny, Arthur Lyman, etc.
>
>  * Juan Garcia Esquivel LPs (rare today)
>
>  * Glossy albums (often gatefold) on "Hi-Fi" labels like Command,
>    Phase Four, Mercury "Perfect Presence," Time, UA "Wall-to-Wall Sound"
>    Audio Fidelity, Directional Sound, etc.
>
>  * Albums with "Percussion" in the title (also "Ping Pong," "Drums")
>
>  * Pop interpretations of Cha-Cha, Mambo, Bossa Nova and Samba
>
>  * RCA's "Stereo Action" Series (thick, white, die-cut covers)
>
>  * Early Ferrante and Teicher (with prepared piano)
>
>  * The Three Suns, especially from 1959-62
>
>  * Electric organ virtuosos (Lenny Dee, Dick Hyman, etc.)
>
>  * Pop instrumentals featuring harpsichord, sitar, harp or bagpipes
>
>  * Inappropriate rock cover versions ("Light My Fire" on pipe organ, etc.)
>
>  * Hawaiian music as performed by non-Hawaiians
>
>  * "Programmatic" jazz (Raymond Scott; Spy and Crime soundtracks, etc.)
>
>  * Albums showcasing Moog synthesizer
>
>  * "Now Sound" albums (Brass Ring, "Living" Guitars/etc.)
>
>  *  Herb Alpert's Tijuana Brass, and their imitators
>
>  * Albums with "discotheque" or "au go-go" in the title
>
>Caveat Emptor: In each of these categories there will be many copy-cat
>records from budget labels. Their quality is usually dubious (though in a
>few cases they can be delightfully bizarre).
>
>


I can send all 13K of the FAQ around again if anyone is interested. . .

cheers,

 --Ross

|| Ross "Mambo Frenzy" Orr  <[e-mail]>
|| Ann Arbor, Michigan USA




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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:18:43 +0100
From: Ton Rueckert <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) More on foreign payment

>When paying for records from an international source, the best way (other
>than a credit card) is to get foreign cash from a bank or travel agent and
>send the cash registered. This is the cheapest and easiest way. If the
>letter never arrives, one can claim the cash back from the Post Office as
>long as it was sent registered.
>International money orders seem expensive and time consuming.
>
>Charlie
>
>with a bulging draw of Dollars, Pounds, Dracma, Krona and Lira.


This doesn't work for me either, on the contrary, it's worse.
Why? Because a letter with money is considered a package, and
will be charged accordingly: $20. Registering a letter as a
letter will have the advantage that it's slightly more safe
than an ordinary letter, but your claims will be worthless,
should it get lost.

Cheers, Ton (Guilders)


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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:56:20 +0000
From: [e-mail] (Desmond K. Hill)
Subject: (exotica) MIKIS THEODORAKIS

the greek composer of many '60s soundtracks, but where does he fit into the
wider picture-puzzle of electronic folklore?

anyone w/ biogs, or recommendations?

d e s




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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:56:13 +0000
From: [e-mail] (Desmond K. Hill)
Subject: (exotica) bootleggin' - one resolution

recent discussion about bootlegging has been quite revealing.

*  burning private cds to exchange w/ friends is, in my mind, a development
of the home taping movement from the early '80s.  when this eager
enthusiasm becomes a means for commercial gain however, as evident from
recent posts, personally i find that demoralising.  many of these artists
are still alive, yet their creativity is no longer recognised & they are
not encouraged to continue working.  when list members are more interested
in making money for themselves than supporting artists, i don't see much
integrity in these self-styled acts of liberation.  there are other ways to
reissue material:

*  a quick 'phone conversation w/ a publishinbg registry or royalties
agency like sacem in france, or prs in the u.k., may identify current
owners of an artist's copyright.  a further 'phone conversation to a record
company might make them realise there are opportunities for reissuing
back-catalogue material.  play it diplomatically, play it skillfully, you
might just find yourself being asked to co-ordinate the project yourself.
three years ago a friend of mine presided over the 'gravure universalle'
project, reissuing material by jack arel.  today there are a multitude of
record companies, internationally re-releasing the music of jack arel,
piero umiliani, gert wilden & others, including jean jacques perrey.  it
can be done.

*  undeniably, one of the driving forces of contemporary technology is
commerce.  people have always made a living by trading in whatever ways
they can, including pirating, forging, counter_feiting & bootlegging.  my
hope is that we will one day begin to perceive the motivations of our
actions, & live responsibly w/ the consequences that ensue.

*  as the obsessive collectors we so obviously are, can we not utilise our
knowledge creatively, become sound consultants, & support the artists whose
music we love.

as for bootlegging, i .__never._ gonna do it.

d e s




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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 03:52:13 -0800
From: thomas <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Shag (working with)

>Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 15:30:49 -0500
>From: "m.ace" <[e-mail]>
>Subject: (exotica) new Shag paintings
>
>Launch those browsers -- there's a fresh batch of Shag paintings on exhibit
>at La Luz de Jesus gallery:
>
>http://www.laluzdejesus.com/

just wanted to comment on Mr. Shag.....

recently we needed packaging artwork for a new product we're developing (a
modern christmas....i mean "holiday" tree).

i contacted Shag...and the rest is history.

just wanted to make a public "thank you" to one of the nicest artists i've
ever met! he went out of his way to bend over backwards for us....and
looking at the laluz gallery prices, an incredibly reasonable price!

if anyone would like to see a JPEG of the finished artwork, just let me know.


tom


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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 08:00:17 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) bootleggin' - one resolution

In a message dated 1/12/99 6:57:21 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< when list members are more interested
 in making money for themselves than supporting artists, i don't see much
 integrity in these self-styled acts of liberation.  there are other ways to
 reissue material: >>

I think the point is REALLY MISSED HERE.  I think the main purpose of
"booting" these CD, comps, etc. is to spread the music.  Some are making money
but not most.  It is no different than making cassettes for your friends, it
is just doing it on a different media.

Robert


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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 08:35:55 -0500
From: Peter Risser <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Kahiki Question

We live in Cinci and often travel to Cleveland, which means the Kahiki is
pretty much on our way up 71.  My question is, besides the atmosphere,
how's the food?

All I know is, we had recommendations to visit Casa Bonita because it was
"so neat", but we waited in line almost an hour and the food was quite
possibly the worst meal I've ever eaten (or not eaten, after a few bites).

Is this Kahiki joint the same way, or is their food actually palatable?
Someone please let me know.
Thanks!
Peter


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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:18:34 -0500
From: "naile" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Kahiki Question

Ah, the Kahiki-

For atmosphere, its unbeatable.  The food is above average to quite good,
depending on what you get.  Standard Chinese-modified-to-Polynesian fare.
It is a bit pricey, but the experience alone is worth it.  I can't say its
the best meal I've ever eaten, but I will say it was considerably better
than my experience with Casa Bonita as well.  The mixed drinks are also
quite good.

The Kahiki must be doing something right with their menu, as the place is
consistently packed, and seems to have a long history of such.  A lot of
native Columbus-ites dine there, and it plays host to major business
lunches, proms, and everything else.

Getting there from I-71 is actually relatively easy. Take I-71, and take the
I-670 exit TOWARDS the airport.  Get off at Hamilton Rd, heading South.  At
the intersection of Hamilton and Broad, take a right onto E. Broad St.  I
can't honestly  remember how many lights you'll pass through (I moved to
Atlanta in June).  To help you out with some landmarks, however.... the
intersection of Hamilton and Broad will have a Shell Station on the right, a
Speedway gas station on the left, and a "Flowerama" on the diagonal left.
When travelling down E. Broad, you'll be heading *toward* the city.  The
Kahiki will be on the left.  The best I can tell you, is that when you pass
the K-mart on your right hand side, you are practically there.  By then, you
should see the place anyway, as it is enormous.

I hope you check the place out.  Most of all, I hope you have fun.  Make
sure (if you're the drinking type) to order the Mystery Drink.  :)

hope this info helps!

- -Kev




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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:49:16 +0000
From: "Charles Moseley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) More on foreign payment

In the UK, I'm charged =A33 extra for a registered letter to the US.
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:35:34 +0100
From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) More on foreign payment

Ton Rueckert wrote:

> a letter with money is considered a package, and
> will be charged accordingly: $20.

You're not supposed to put coins or barrels of gold in it! I did send
(paper-)money that way and others did too and it worked fine. I mean: Let
every 3rd letter with 25 bucks inside disappear and you have still saved money
compared to bank  or int. money order fees. Only thing: You have to trust the
payee of your $, Pound, Euro, Yen, Yuan, Kronen, guilders...

Oh, now I understand: You have a friend on this southsea island - wasn't it
one of the Marquesas? - where they use 10 feet/2 tons-stone coins as currency.
Yeah, you shouldn't send them in an envelope. Hmm, let's see: Let your friend
in the Marquesas drop a coin into the ocean and simply win energy from a tidal
powerstation when the shockwaves arrive in Holland! You can run your Hifi
equipment from it for 3 days.

> Registering a letter as a
> letter will have the advantage that it's slightly more safe
> than an ordinary letter, but your claims will be worthless,
> should it get lost.

You have to declare the value of the letter and then you get exactely that
back in the case of a loss, no?

Mo



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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 13:15:52 +0000
From: "Charles Moseley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) bootleggin' - one resolution

I think we all realise that bootlegging somebody else's material is against
the law but those of us who are considering doing it are obviously prepared
to break those laws.
And pressing a couple of thousand copies of an LP, with cover art and
labels, to be distributed to record shops for sale is definately NOT the
same as making cassettes for your friends.

Charlie




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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:53:13 -0500
From: "Rajnai, Charles, NPG" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Stalactpipe Organ

Alright, I will contribute to this thread, against my best judgement...

I was there in, oh, around 1982.  The deal was you walked through Luray
Caverns and saw these wierd rocks with lights shining on them and through
them (turkish towels, they said they looked like) and it was like another
planet.

In the middle of this cave, or somewhere inside like, is this consloe organ.
Looks like and OLD concert organ, with drawbars on each side and three
registers.  Nobody plays it for the tour, and nobody is allowed to play it,
which I thought, being a wannabe musician, was pretty bogus.  But they have
a programmed tune that they play, I dont know what it is, and it was quite
cool sounding.  Like being inside a set of vibes the size of Wisconsin.

To correct a previous post, they were not tuned.  They were hit with rubber
mallets to find the ones with the correct pitch.  It indeed took 3 years to
find the 6 or so octaves.  It sounds weird too because some of the 'pipes'
are up to 3 miles away, the conductive properties of the 'tites and mites'
help the sound to carry, but there is a delay.  You would not be able to
play fast trills or any pizzicato staccatto type notes.  They would sound
like a drone.

Of particular interest to some, .... they have old photos of weddings and
functions that they used to do down there, there's a big dance floor by the
organ console.  Im sure that for the right price, the owners could be
convinced to do your New Years 2000 party there.

But would Dick Hyman and Lenny Dee play a cave?

surfing the chaos,
Charlieman


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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 07:08:43 PST
From: Keith Lo Bue <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re: The Great Stalacpipe Organ

Yep, it's true, the organ is still around...I went on a roadside attraction
tour a few years back.  Heard the organ (and videotaped it!) on autopilot.
Leland  Sprinkle Jr. is no longer with us, I'm afraid.  But his legacy
lives on!  I got a cassette of the organ repertoire....an absolutely
amazing instrument.  I always thought Luray could make a bundle by renting
out the organ for experimental musicians to record on.  Haunting beautiful
muted tones with the ever present echoey drips of a cave.  A totally unique
sound construction.  Worth the trip!

Keith

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 07:16:12 -0800 (PST)
From: Ben Waugh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Stalactpipe Organ

If not, there is always Gus Farney: master of the colossal wurlitzer.




> But would Dick Hyman and Lenny Dee play a cave?

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:17:47 -0500
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Long L&R review

     I was greatly reluctant to attend the reunion of Jon Hendricks and
Annie Ross last Friday, in Cambridge.  Friends, I am soooo glad I went.
With all the greats being dead or in ill health, this was such a rare
treat.
     The combo with them was decent, and played a few songs before they
came out.   The drummer was one of the original Ike Isaacs Trio, too.  The
guitar player plucked the "lines" that the late Dave Lambert would have
sung.  Annie and Jon then proceeded to the stage, and I just couldn't
believe how good and sharp they looked!  Tears immediately filled my eyes.
It was just unbelievable to be seeing these icons! Then, when they did
their first song, I just lost it!  I felt like Tom Waits in SHORT CUTS!
Annie's voice, it is no surprise, has degraded for years, but her lower
register still sounds solid, that sort of raspy voice that hard livin' jazz
ladies get after awhile.  She was elegantly dressed in black velvet, with
bright red hair!  And her singing, even without those vocal gymnastics, was
strong!  She just has that STAR POWER!
     Jon Hendricks, on the other hand, for all his nearly 80s years, sounds
a-freakin-mazing!  In fact, his voice hasn't changed much at all since the
1950s!  He had a red suit on...very show biz!      Highlights of the show
included Annie singing her "Twisted" and Jon Hendricks performing a "work
in progress"(in his words) of the arrangement of John Coltrane and Miles
Davis "Bye Bye Blackbird."
     While saying he had the Miles parts down, he said about Coltrane, "I
told my wife, it's a good thing that cat's dead, or __I'd__ kill 'em"
     He also did a great call and response "Gimme that Wine."  Both were
stellar on "Come on Home."
     One of the most beautiful things about this now duo, is they are
keeping that vocalese form ALIVE!  The jazz combo, too, helped to
authenticate that form.  I just feared that the show would be
glitzy-schmaltzy, with like a Casio or something.  I really should have
known better.
     So many of the records I listen to are by dead people, or singers like
Julie London who are content to smoke as opposed to whip their voice back
into shape.  This was a rare treat, and if they come to your town, you'll
be remiss...if you miss.
Sincerely,
Jane Fondle

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:39:16 -0500
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) 'lil show

Thanks for this indulgence:  My group AstroSlut is performing for free,
this Friday night, in Boston, at the Charles Playhouse Lounge, on Warrenton
St. (Theatre District.)  It's just us, and we go on after 11pm.
That's all, go on with what you were doing...Jane Fondle
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:42:16 -0500
From: "Michael Bennet" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Great Stalactite Organ

Yes, it most definitely still exists.  I heard it this summer when I
visited Luray.  They demonstrate it periodically throughout the day.
Apparently, they still use it for the occasional wedding.  It's a cool
concept, but the sound (and song selection) won't knock you out.  I
wouldn't make a special trip, but if you're in the MD, VA, WV area . . .

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:46:45 -0500
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) See for yourself

Little known to me, there are pix on the web of my group...BTW-people ask
"which gal are you?"  It's a double-image of me.....jez one Jane Fondle,
they say....

(http://www.tiac.net/users/violet/astroslut1.html)

Thanks, Robbie, for pointing this out to me!
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:04:35 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) See for yourself

In a message dated 99-01-12 11:50:38 EST, the Fondle woman writes:

<< Little known to me, there are pix on the web of my group...BTW-people ask
 "which gal are you?"  It's a double-image of me.....jez one Jane Fondle,
 they say....

 (http://www.tiac.net/users/violet/astroslut1.html)

 Thanks, Robbie, for pointing this out to me! >>

And the lower pictures at that site look like she is naked, man, that really
is "Astroslut"

Oh, the top ones look like she has a bra on (like Susan Meschkey I guess).

Jane, you have to give these details if you want people to really look!!!

Robert
(or according to Jane . . . .Robbie)


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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 13:31:29 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re:  Re: (exotica) See for yourself

Don't get me started on Jane's bras!  By the way, thanks to Jane and Drew for
the fabulous drop-ins they prepared for my radio program...Jimmy
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 13:36:19 -0500
From: Tom Karches <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) On the Rocks

Nat Kone wrote:

> And then there's the really hot stuff like Bud Shank and Howard Roberts and
> that Bob Thiele record with Bill Plummer where they do "light my fire".
>

Completely changing the subject, there is a killer cha-cha version of
"Light My Fire" on "Heading South of the Border" by Edmundo Ros....also
includes a latin version of Mrs. Robinson.

Tom

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 13:43:05 -0500
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) "Bullets" over bra-way

Don't get me started on Jane's bras!  By the way, thanks to Jane and Drew
for
the fabulous drop-ins they prepared for my radio program...Jimmy
Botticelli/"Jimmy's Easy" airs Tuesdays on WMBR, Cambridge from 6-8 a.m.

>You are rather welcome...and that's "Quinn Martian," doll,  not "Drew."
Yes, when in Boston and up at 6AM, you *must* listen to "Jimmy's Easy."
But y'all have seen the play-lists...they speak volumes!  Jimmy, any chance
of getting them on real audio for the underprivaleged out there?

;^)...Jane Fondle


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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 13:39:06 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) Calling all radio DJ's

I already know who some of you are, but I'm helping a friend distribute his
new CD, his band's first. They are X-Ray Tango and they do "instrumental-
lounge-surf-exotica" sounding stuff. They are advertising the CD in the next
"Cool & Strange Music" and have asked me to find you to get you  your promo
copies. E-Mail me back your addresses and name and times of radio show,
station call letters, city of origin and station telephone numbers please.
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:26:47 -0500
From: Peter Risser <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Exotica 101

I'd check out the following:

All three Space Age Pop comps from RCA.  For my money, the best of all of
them.
The UL series is pretty good.
Anything on Scamp records is usually pretty good.  The Sound Galleries, The
Music for TV Dinners, the John Barry stuff, the Martin Denny stuff, the
Walter Wanderly disc and so on.
I recently got Talkin' Verve with a Twist and the other titles look good.
Also do a search under "bossa" and you'll find good stuff, including Quincy
Jones' Big Band Bossa Nova.

For new bands, ComEd, Don Tiki, L'Atome, Oranj Symphonette, Action Plus and
Kahimi Karie are some of my favorites.

Basically, just stay tuned to the list and make a note of anything that
seems interesting.
Also, tune into real audio stuff, like www.tamboo.com or the Lounge show on
www.kanu.org or various other places.


Anyway, my knowledge of the stuff, though still minimal, has grown
unbelievably just by reading the list.


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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:54:12 -0000
From: "Robert Baldock" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (Fwd) Re: (exotica) bootleggin' - one resolution

Rcbrooksod wrote:

> I think the point is REALLY MISSED HERE.  I think the main
> purpose of "booting" these CD, comps, etc. is to spread the 
> music.  Some are making money but not most.  It is no different
> than making cassettes for your friends, it is just doing it on a
> different media.

I think you'll find that's exactly what des was saying too!

I'm OK with doing this but not when we get to the stage of slapping
two rare LPs on a CD and flogging copies for $25 a throw...


Robbie


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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:54:12 -0000
From: "Robert Baldock" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) bootleggin' - one resolution

d e s wrote:

> when list members are more interested in making money for
> themselves than supporting artists, i don't see much integrity
> in these self-styled acts of liberation.  there are other ways
> to reissue material:

On the whole, I heartily agree with your thoughtful post on the
subject..


Robbie


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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:57:28 -0000
From: "Robert Baldock" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Calling all radio DJ's

DJJimmyBee wrote:

> I already know who some of you are, but I'm helping a friend
> distribute his new CD, his band's first. They are X-Ray Tango and
> they do "instrumental- lounge-surf-exotica" sounding stuff.

I hope to be on local (Edinburgh, UK) radio again in March so if
that's of any interest, you could send me a copy.


Robbie ("DJ Bongo Boy")


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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:10:46 -0800
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) Ahmad Jamal

I know, he's a jazz guy (mostly), but with some amazing Exotica sounds on
some records. This may be old hat to many of you, but I thought I'd share
it anyway. Jamal's "Macanudo" (on Argo) is around on LP, and often cheap,
and has some great jazz/exotica arrangements by the great Richard Evans.

Evans' arranging is more of a cool/exotic sound compared to his later funky
stuff for Cadet artists. Just a quick recommendation after finally buying
this record after passing on it many times. It lives in a fine world
between jazz and exotica.

Jamal's album "Freeflight" has a nice version of "Poinciana" that's worth a
listen as well.

Can anyone recommend other Jamal albums with exotic flavor?

Clark



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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 15:14:06 -0500
From: "m.ace" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Ernie TV and more

Thursday night at 8:00pm and midnight (eastern), AMC reruns their
"Biography" of Ernie Kovacs.

Also Thursday, at 4:00pm AMC airs "Tobor The Great" (1954) a 'Lassie' for
space-age kids (well, the ending makes *this* tyke a little misty anyway).

Later that day, at 8:00pm and 2:30am AMC runs "The Manchurian Candidate"
(1962) again. Late showing is supposed to be in letterbox format.

Friday afternoon at 1:15pm, AMC has "Pete Kelly's Blues" (1955) Jack Webb's
tale of a 20s jazz bandleader who keeps gettin' hassled by gangsters. With
performances by Peggy Lee and Ella Fitzgerald. Also Janet Leigh, Edmond
O'Brien, Jayne Mansfield (tiny role as a cigarette girl). And Lee Marvin on
clarinet -- don't mess with him!

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 15:12:35 -0500
From: "naile" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) To B(ootleg) or not to B(ootleg)?

Bootlegging.

Well, let's look at this, because in many of my other hobbies (Italian
Horror films, Japanese Monster movies, etc) this seems to be a constant
issue.

First and foremost, one should consider whether or not anyone owns the
rights to a certain recorded work or not.  Often, the rights will eventually
go "public domain" if they are not maintained by the owner, thus allowing
for things like the $9.99 movie bin at your local Suncoast Video.  A lot of
artists don't own the rights to their own works.  Sad, but true.

Next, (and I admit that from a legal standpoint this is bs), comes the
"moral" issue.  It is one thing to say the artists are being robbed, but
truthfully the "exposure" also helps.  If you don't believe me, walk into
your local video store and look at the anime section.  When I first started
watching anime (early 80's) the majority of what was available was crappy
fan-subbed bootlegs at conventions.  Due to the enormous amount of money
being made on these, as well as the exposure, some distribution companies
took notice and actually obtained the rights to releases, giving them
legitimate distribution, and (hey, its a business- let's be realistic)
making some money in the process.  Also, they released superior product.
You cannot tell me that the anime boom in America would have happened
without the bootleggers.

Sad fact #3:  Sometimes the bootleg is superior to the "legitimate" release.
My copy of the Blade Runner soundtrack on CD is from Off-World Music, who
did a "private" printing of 2000 copies.  This is far superior to the
"legit" release which contains little music actually *from* the movie.
Also, I seriously doubt that there will be a widespread release of
completely letterboxed and subtitled Godzilla films in the united states
anytime soon.  However, due to a few enterprising individuals, and a
loophole in the Berne Act, I have a beautiful collection.

Don't get me wrong, I see both sides to the argument.  And I will most times
choose the legit product over a bootleg.  However, if the bootleg offers me
something more, I will take my money there.   Again, case in point, my
recent purchase of a 96 minute cut of ARMY OF DARKNESS from Singapore.  The
"legit" US release runs 89(?) minutes.

I think ultimately, the exposure is the most important.  I don't necessarily
agree with making an obscene profit, however expenses should be covered, and
I don't have a problem with paying if the "packaging" is attractive.  By
creating the exposure, the word of mouth, the labels are forced to realize
that they are losing money.  This can give the artist leverage, also.  "Hey,
why aren't you doing something about the demand for my music??"

I don't have an answer on how to balance the two sides of the argument.  If
I like an artist, then I want them to be successful. I want them to make
money from their craft.  I also don't want their works gathering dust in a
few isolated collections and becoming "forgotten".  Tape-trading is nice,
but it is not the wake up call to the labels that money is.  I got out of
the music industry 3 years ago.  The 8 years I spent in it beforehand taught
me enough to know that it won't change anytime soon.

Sorry to ramble.

- -Kev



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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:03:17 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) On the Rocks

In a message dated 1/12/99 10:39:58 AM Pacific Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< Completely changing the subject, there is a killer cha-cha version of
 "Light My Fire" on "Heading South of the Border" by Edmundo Ros....also
 includes a latin version of Mrs. Robinson. >>


Frank Sinatra also ahas a great big band version of "Mrs. Robinson" from his
MY WAY album.


Jason


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