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exotica-digest         Tuesday, August 4 1998         Volume 02 : Number 177



In This Digest:

Re: (exotica) Thrift store conspiracy
(exotica) Re: beyond the valley of thrift stores
Re: (exotica) Re: beyond the valley of thrift stores
Re: (exotica) recommendations, Bert Kaempfert, integrity
Re: (exotica) More on Thrifts
Re: (exotica) Playlist For Space Bop, August 2
Re: (exotica) Thrifting: Pro or Con
(exotica) Henry Mancini's First Piano
Re: (exotica) Antonio Carlos Jobim CD
Re: (exotica) Re: beyond the valley of thrift stores
(exotica) Buying records from dead people
Re: (exotica) Antonio Carlos Jobim CD
Re: (exotica) More on Thrifts
Re: (exotica) Antonio Carlos Jobim CD
Re: (exotica) More on Thrifts
(exotica) re: More on Thrifts
(exotica) Electronica/Exotica Auction
Re: (exotica) Antonio Carlos Jobim CD
Re: (exotica) Playlist For Space Bop, August 2
(exotica) 2001: A Lyman Oddity
Re: (exotica) Thrift shopping (and question)
Re: (exotica) recommendations, Bert Kaempfert, integrity
(exotica) More on Vinyl Destruction
Re: (exotica) Disney Equation
(exotica) Antonio Carlos Jobim CD
(exotica) Disney Equation -Reply
(exotica) Saving Jessica
(exotica) Thrifting: Pro or Con and I hope Jesus ain't angry
(exotica) Hey, wait.....
Re: (exotica) Re: beyond the valley of thrift stores

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Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 01:13:49 -0400
From: "Br. Cleve" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Thrift store conspiracy

At 12:15 AM -0400 8/4/98, <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Ha!  See I was right!  That's why there isn't anything except Olivia Newton
>John albums in thrifts.  All the good stuff is being wisked away to a biddi=
ng
>site on the internet!  If the rest of the chains catch on, thrifting days a=
re
>numbered....

In most large cities here, the thrifts are hit every day by dealers -
antique dealers, record and book people, specialists in furniture and
glass, etc. A friend has an antique barn up in New Hamshire, and he has the
delivery times/days for every Salvation Army, etc in the area. He hits them
all and buys up stuff to sell on the weekends. He sees all the same faces
every morning, all of them dealers vying for and fighting over picking up
the new stuff as it makes it way onto the sales floor. You should see the
records he finds (and has found over the years).

But before 1994, almost no one cared about EZ and exotica records, and the
thrifts were overflowing with it. It's where I found most of the 'greats',
along with lots of Hawaiian shirts and bar stuff and much of the other crap
that fills my house. It's only when all this stuff became 'collectible'
that it started to dry up at the source. So you might not find Esquivel or
The Caine Mutiny soundtrack (or you might),but there's always good stuff to
be found, and to discover....and with  bargain prices like 50=A2whatever a
record, it's affordable to experiment.

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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 23:57:32 -0700
From: Eb <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re: beyond the valley of thrift stores

OK, enough about thrift stores...what about MY hangup? Garage sales.

I have a friend who used to drive around neighborhoods on weekends, looking
for garage sales. He'd go to the quieter part of town where a lot of older
folks lived, and he'd clean up on old rarities from the '50s and things.
According to him, his best purchase was a Leadbelly record which he claimed
was worth $150. I also remember a couple of original Chuck Berry lps....

Anyway, as enticing as this sounds to me, I can NOT get myself to walk up
to some stranger's lawn/garage and start pawing through the accumulated
debris of his life. Really gives me the heebie-jeebies. And then, if you
don't buy anything, it's like you're telling him that his life was of no
worth. ;)

Anyway, am I alone here? Heh.

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Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 01:22:13 +0100
From: Ron Grandia <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: beyond the valley of thrift stores

>
>
>
>> Anyway, as enticing as this sounds to me, I can NOT get myself to walk up
>> to some stranger's lawn/garage and start pawing through the accumulated
>> debris of his life. Really gives me the heebie-jeebies. And then, if you
>> don't buy anything, it's like you're telling him that his life was of no
>> worth. ;)
>>
>>
>
>

I keep swearing that I will now ignore these threads, but I can't resist....

You are so right about walking away without buying. I am over it though.
I could be that friend. I LIVE for garage sales. Pawing throught the debris is

half the fun.

I have learned that it helps to address thge seller: Say hello and ask how
business is this morning. Most of the time I really enjoy the small talk
as I glance around, look at any interesting articles, ask where the records
are. (Hint: VERY often, they say they never had time to bring them out. -
I get invited in for an exclusive perusal!)

Talk about feeling dirty afterwards...hooooeeee! Thrifts nmhave nothing
on the accumulated funk of an afternoon of garage sales.

Also. If you go, be a dude and buy lemonade and brownies from every kid
with a stand... It's' good Karma.




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Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 04:36:39 -0400
From: Nat Kone <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) recommendations, Bert Kaempfert, integrity

At 10:22 PM 03/08/98 -0500,recliner wrote:
>
> I concur with  most responses that the Swinging Safari album is probably
>the one to get for old Bert, but I have similar feelings to Nat:

Well I hate to disagree with a guy who's trying to agree with me but...

>  after listening to all the
>zany, bombastic, extreme arrangements of the much spoke of exotica canon
>a subtle Kaempfert touch just may hit the spot.

"Subtle".  Yeah that's one way of saying it.

Before I go on to trash Bert, let me make a Bert recommendation.  I have
the record "Bert Kaempfert Now" where he covers "Put your hand in the hand"
and "Proud Mary".. (Can't wait to hear those, I bet..)  Anyway there's a
song on it called "Kiss her once with feeling" which Bert co-wrote and it's
a very standard arrangement but for some reason, as sappy as it is, I think
it's a lovely tune and I just put it on a compilation tape and when it came
up, I was thinking "Wow what's this?" It sounds like a Mancini-ish tune
from a film you never saw.

But back to Bert.

I believe the same thing of Bert that I said of Edmondo Ros. I think he was
making records for people who he considered "in his market".  People who
didn't want anything too way out, too arranged, too bombastic etc.  He was
making Muzak essentially.  And if you're tired of bombast, yeah muzak can
hit the spot I guess.

I don't think Ray Conniff got worse when he went from those cool wordless
vocal records to the sappier Born Free-type stuff.  I think he was trying
to make records for what he saw as HIS market.

>So in short, in my four tier Vinyl Recliner ratings of Essential/Highly
>Recommended/Very Good/Good I would rank Swinging Safari as a very good.

Okay maybe that record is very good but not Bert as a whole.

I think the reason why I'm so crazed on this topic is because through all
of this, there was a guy like Esquivel who was essentially making records
for the same market as Bert or Ray but it doesn't sound to me like Esquivel
was making any particular attempt to cater to the market.

This is not a seamless argument.  I suppose Enoch Light was trying to cater
to a a market too but maybe he wasn't doing it as slavishly as Bert or Ray.

Everybody was (and is) trying to cater to the market and I suppose there
are records I love that were made by total market whores but in general, I
think that the records I like better were made by musicians who had enough
integrity that they could still do something good while selling out a bit
too.

And I don't think that describes Bert Kaempfert.

Or... a whole bunch of unnamed others either.

Nat, change my name to Rant.



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Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 04:38:10 -0400
From: Nat Kone <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) More on Thrifts

At 08:02 PM 03/08/98 UT, you wrote:
>
>What you can find in thrifts all depends on how often you go and how vigilant
>you are.  I thrift once every 8 months, about.  What am I going to find?
>Esquivel?  Command?  Maybe, you never know.  But probably not.  Mostly
I'll find
>a couple of interesting albums.

If you had said "What I going to find? Alice Coltrane? Patti Smith
bootlegs?  Maybe. Probably not", I could go along with you.  But Esquivel
and particularly Command are definitely NOT in the "probably-not" category.
I've gotten both at the Goodwill and especially I've gotten LOTS of Command
records there.

Again I have to say that nobody should go to the thrift stores looking for
ANYTHING in particular or hoping for anything.  Nobody should go unless
like me, they like finding things that they had no idea they wanted until
that instant when they saw it.

But if you go like that, you will almost certainly find things you've heard
of or records by artists you've heard of and wanted.

And finding the stuff is not really dependent on how often you go.  It's
dependent on where you live and how many people like you are doing the same
thing as you.

I used to go to this thrift store about 50 miles from here and there were a
couple of dealers that I saw there everytime I was there.  But they didn't
want the three Martin Denny records I got there one day.  Or the Stereo
Actions or the
Esquivel or twenty Command records I must have gotten there.

But last time I was there, pickings were slimmer and I figured maybe the
stuff was catching on in that town.

A couple of weeks ago a friend of mine went to a thrift store in Western
Canada and picked up HARRY BREUER'S "The Happy Moog" and MARTY GOLD'S "Moog
Plays the Beatles".. and gave them to me.

Is it that surprising that in some towns, moog records are still viewed the
same way they were five or ten years ago?  That's far less amazing to me
than the thought that someone has to pay $40 for a Claude Denjean record.

Generally people who have certain types of records know about used record
stores and have been in a few and so they have some idea that their records
are worth something.  So that's why you don't find lots of jazz at the
Goodwill.  Then again a friend of mine found 100 good jazz records next to
a dumpster once.

But Esquivel and Command, the people that owned those generally sell them
at garage sales or send them to the Goodwill.  If you're not finding them
that's only because someone made it his/her job to get there before you.

Okay let the thrift wars continue.  But please, no more talk of the sad,
downtrodden masses who go there.

Nat



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Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:18:59 +0100
From: "Robbie Baldock" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Playlist For Space Bop, August 2

cheryl wrote:

> Richard Sear:  Love Child  "The Copper Plated Integrated Circuit"

Richard?!


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Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 04:48:24 PDT
From: "Ben Waugh" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Thrifting: Pro or Con

>
>I am curious though, do the members of this list who buy records from
>the thrifts buy only records?  or do they look around in the store for
>other cool and interesting things that they might find?

Oh yeah: such stuff as tiki mugs (ceramic and wood), paintings, signed
books (got a Seamus Heaney 1st with dedication), Hawaiian shirts, McCoy
pottery and pressed aluminum ware for my wife. Yes, I lead a very full
life....


>By the way, I finally thrifted a copy of Kraftwerk's 'Trans-Europe
>Express' LP.....the cover was ripped to shreds and bypassed by the
>collectors, but the disc is in OK shape.

I found that one once - the original back cover, the one where the lads
have not yet captured that jet-age streamlined look (very hairy).
But it was hammered.

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Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 04:44:51
From: Brad Bigelow <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Henry Mancini's First Piano

I got a note from a guy in Henry Mancini's home town of West Aliquippa, PA,
who has bought and restored the piano that was in Henry's parent's house
and is probably the instrument he first learned to play on.  He's looking
to sell it.  If you are interested, contact him at:

[e-mail]

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Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 04:52:45 PDT
From: "keir keightley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Antonio Carlos Jobim CD

The 3-CD Verve set is nice, and certainly the packaging is absolutely
gorgeous (each CD is held in a different pocket - but they're not
pockets - they're unlike anything you've ever seen - different coloured,
cardboard cut-outs in the shape of a fish, a flower, and an abstract
design - very Japanese).

But as a massive Jobim fan, I was disappointed, especially by the 3rd
CD, which is Verve "jazz" renditions of a handful of the same songs.
Nice idea, but like "alternate takes", stacked one on top of the other
on a jazz reissue, I never listen to it.  But the set as a whole has the
advantage of  including  a lot of Jobim tracks, plus versions of his
songs by Astrud Gilberto, Stan Getz, and some of Jobim's post-60s work
(like his duet with Elis Regina).  But you're paying mucho dinero for
really only 2 CDs, IMHO.

Instead, I would spend my money on three of these Jobim CDs:

_The Composer Plays_ (Verve) - Jobim's first US album, originally
entitled _The Composer of Desafinado Plays_. One of the greatest
easy listening albums of all time.

_Antonio Carlos Jobim: Composer_ (Warner Archive Series).  This
contains 2 full LPs made for Warner Bros. in 1965-66, plus some
tracks from an instrumental Jobim album _Love, Strings, and Jobim_.
This stuff is not as smooth as _The Composer Plays_, but over time
I've come to love the shaky roughness of Jobim's voice (and none of
this is on the Verve box set).

Astrud Gilberto _The Silver Collection_ (Verve). Basically her first
two solo albums (1965-66), with Jobim accompanying her on a lot of
tracks, plus a selection of greatest hits from subsequent stuff
(like her amazing version of "So Nice (Summer Samba)" with the
Walter Wanderley trio).  But "The Girl from Ipanema" isn't included, for
which you'd have to go to the Stan Getz _Getz/Gilberto_ album, which
Verve have just reissued with the 45 single edit of "Girl".

So that's actually four CDs - but I bet they'll be almost the price the
Jobim box set!

From BossaNovaVille,
Keir

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Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 05:03:29 PDT
From: "Ben Waugh" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: beyond the valley of thrift stores

>Anyway, as enticing as this sounds to me, I can NOT get myself to walk
up
>to some stranger's lawn/garage and start pawing through the accumulated
>debris of his life. Really gives me the heebie-jeebies. And then, if
you
>don't buy anything, it's like you're telling him that his life was of
no
>worth. ;)
Nah, in most cases they believe they are profiting from the sale of
crap, crap which, if they had a conscience, they would take to Goodwill
or toss. When they see you lumbering up the carport, they are seeing a
"mark." They are saying to themselves "please God do not make me have to
rent a big U-Haul just to fit that naugahyde lazee-boy, this stack of
Jordache jeans.

And besides, if s/he hasn't any decent lps, it seems a fair appraisal.

>Anyway, am I alone here? Heh.
>
Frightfully  ;) No, I seldom garage sale - it takes forever and only
occasionally pays off. Now if you're really a vulture - check out the
estate sales. Often some real plunder!

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Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:18:16 +0100
From: "Charles Moseley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Buying records from dead people

A good haul once came from a dead uncle (not mine) who was a fastidious=

soundtrck collector. When he died, his relations showed me his boxed
collection of LPs, saying 'How do you know how much these records are
worth?'. I said, 'I just see them around...' and promptly bought Bullit=
t
(=A350 book), Fear is the Key (=A360 book) and 20 other quality soundtr=
acks for
=A390. He had around 1000 soundtracks and valuable classical LPs, all o=
f
which looked unplayed, in boxes in a cupboard which stretched from floo=
r to
ceiling. Joy (for me, not for him).

I don't want to start a discussion of morals here but I think its a dog=
 eat
dog world and all that. If you're going to die with a load of LPs then
you're going to lose them all.
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Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:29:04 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Antonio Carlos Jobim CD

In a message dated 98-08-03 23:26:32 EDT, [e-mail] writes:

<< I just saw a 3-CD set of of Jobim's work, on Verve - it appears to be a
 tribute to him, with all sorts of different artists covering his
 material.  The packaging looked incredible, but it was sealed, and there
 are no track or artist listings on the outside - just a few names and
 titles.  Does anyone know anything about this set, and is is worthwhile?
 Or is it Jobim overkill? >>


It is very good, featuring his own mateerial as well as vocal renditions - its
all original stuff from the '60s (not tribute rubbish) but it is sort of
overkill as well - especially in the multiple alternate version area that is
covered!
Ashley


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Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 08:42:53 -0400
From: Brian Phillips <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) More on Thrifts

>Okay, please explain why this is painful.  I mean, if I see a record that I
>wanted and it was really beat, I'd just think, oh, someone really liked that
>record because they played it to death.  Then I think, oh well, better luck
>next time.

One of the last estate sales I went to, I saw a Chick Webb record with a
vocal from Ella Fiztgerald.  The record was completely unplayable, due to
the excessive heat this was exposed to, which bubbled up the record in some
areas.  As I was leaving with a pile of records for all of fifty cents, one
of the deceased's grandchildren said, "We used to play frisbee with her
records all the time".  In THAT case, that was just sad.

There are stories of folklorists having found rare records nailed to
outhouses and chicken coops as decorations, as well.

For the record,
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Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:44:18 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Antonio Carlos Jobim CD

My favorite Jobim CD is the previously mentioned "Composer" CD.  Reprise did a
good job here, bringing my two favorite Jobim albums together on one regular
priced CD, with several bonus tracks.

This is mid-60's Jobim where he sings on almost all of the songs.  It is not
like 70's A&M records, which some people love, but are kind of boring &
saccharine to my ear.

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Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:50:02 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) More on Thrifts

In a message dated 8/4/98 8:40:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

> >Okay, please explain why this is painful.  I mean, if I see a record that I
>  >wanted and it was really beat, I'd just think, oh, someone really liked
> that
>  >record because they played it to death.  Then I think, oh well, better
luck
>  >next time.

If I find a rare record, that I'd really like to hear, and it is worn out from
being overplayed what can I do but accept the fact that the original owner
beat me to it.  However, when does that ever happen?  Records I see that are
to beat to play are not damaged from overuse -- but from abuse.  And that
makes me mad.

I see these records that look like someone used them to grade a gravel
driveway, before giving it to the cat for a scratching post and I think ---
who is the idiot who ruined this thing!

Larry


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Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 09:26:42 -0400
From: Peter Risser <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) re: More on Thrifts

<<
p.s. on a slightly related note, I just heard that Emerson College (Boston,
MA) today threw their entire vinyl record collection (around 40 years worth
of records) into a dumpster, as part of their effort to 'modernize' their
radio station [WERS-FM, the studio of which is being rebuilt].
#!^$@*&!!!!!!!!!!
>>

To that I can only reply,



AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
HHHHHHH!
AAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!
AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!


Why didn't they call me???


<< SOB >>



Then there was the time that the Record Exchange Annex in the Cleveland
Heights Conventry area (where I worked) burned to the ground.  This was the
vinyl/CD store that had all the classical/jazz (and I assume Exotica,
though I wouldn't have known at the time) records one could ever hope for.
I remember standing in the street thinking I was going to cry.

Once it's gone...


Peter
===
Peter Risser
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Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 06:34:57 +0000
From: "Tim @ World Wide Wax" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Electronica/Exotica Auction

I have a new auction of very interesting records here:

http://www.worldwidewax.com/ex/

Enjoy scans of all covers, complete track listings, and some liner
notes.

Included are:

* Mort Garson, The Wozard Of Iz: The Electronic Odyssey
* Dick Hyman, Moog
* Extended Voices: New Pieces for Chorus & for Voices Altered
Electronically By Sound Synthesizers and Vocoder
* Karlheinz Stockhausen: Hymnen: Anthems for Electronic & Concrete
Sounds
* Gil Trythall: Nashville Gold (Moog Country)
* Richard Hayman: Cinemagic Sounds
* Don Sebesky: The Distant Galaxy
* Mort Garson: Signs of the Zodiac--Aries
* Leonard Nimoy: Mr. Spock' Music From Outer Space
* Esquivel: To Love Again EP
* Adventures In Sound & Space
* Dominic Frontiere: Love Eyes--The Moods of Romance
* The Wind Harp: Song From The Hill
* Sid Bass: From Another World
* Frank Pourcel: Les Baxter's La Femme
* George DeWitt: Name That Tune
* Music For the Boyfriend: The Feminine Touch (with Petty Girl cover)
* Raymond Scott: Rock 'N Roll Symphony
* Penguins: Their first on Dootone

I've also added over 500 new set-sale lps.

Tim Barron
World Wide Wax - Your source for classic vinyl
Over 5,000 lps for sale & 600 scanned covers at:
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Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 09:48:13 -0400
From: cheryl <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Antonio Carlos Jobim CD

Thanks for the feedback on the Jobim set.  I know I can always count on
this list!

I had a feeling it was so-so, but the packaging (that I could see)
looked pretty incredible, and the inside was described to me by the
sales clerk, and that sounded even better.  I don't think I'd spring for
it new, but I probably would pick it up if I found it used (and what are
the chances of that ever happening? Who knows?)

In the meanwhile, I will check out the other Jobim CDs mentioned - they
sound like a better bet!

cheryl


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Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 09:56:03 -0400
From: cheryl <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Playlist For Space Bop, August 2

Robbie Baldock wrote:

> > Richard Sear:  Love Child  "The Copper Plated Integrated Circuit"

> Richard?!


Oops, sorry - that would be Walter Sear.  See what happens when I let
Brian type up the playlist? (I'm assuming he was checking the name on
Richard Hayman & Walter Sear's "Electronic Evolutions" when he did this,
as Mr. Sear's first name is nowhere to be found on "The Copper Plated
Integrated Circuit"!  This is also what happens when you finalise your
playlist at 3 a.m., and then type it up!)

cheryl


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Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 10:08:33 -0400
From: Brian Phillips <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) 2001: A Lyman Oddity

For the curious (like myself, who has Percussion Spectacular), there is
this page http://www.eclipse.net/~fitzgera/labels/hifi.htm , although, it
does not list PS, it lists Yellow Bird.



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Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 16:05:10 +0000
From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Thrift shopping (and question)

[e-mail] wrote:

> << (they would rather close the attraction, if Walt hadn't
>  decreed in his last will that Tiki Room must never be shut down) >>
>
> Huh?  Were you kidding or serious?  Did he say that in his will?!

People keep telling me that for years. I didn't read his last will,
though. It's one of the nice rumors about Walt Disney. Toobad that
"Disneyland Babylon" doesn't have a homepage. That fanzine was
incredible. It had ALL the great weird stories about the magick kingdom.

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Date: Tue, 4 Aug 98 10:11:11 -0500
From: recliner <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) recommendations, Bert Kaempfert, integrity

>
>I think the reason why I'm so crazed on this topic is because through all
>of this, there was a guy like Esquivel who was essentially making records
>for the same market as Bert or Ray but it doesn't sound to me like Esquivel
>was making any particular attempt to cater to the market.

I think it's safe to asume that the American record industry, past and
present,makes attempts to cater to a market with EVERY RECORDING ARTIST.

We of the nineties may take Esquivel to be hipper that thou and just
because it's more difficult for us to imagine that folks in the fifties
enjoyed this stuff I think it's a leap to think that RCA issued his stuff
out of their philanthopic hearts.
I will conced that if you look at the amount of records these respective
artists sold that it would seem that Bert and Ray did cater to a lower
common denominator.(See below the term "Market Whore")


>Everybody was (and is) trying to cater to the market and I suppose there
>are records I love that were made by total market whores but in general, I
>think that the records I like better were made by musicians who had enough
>integrity that they could still do something good while selling out a bit
>too.

In some respect the music speaks for itself but, artistic integrity is
still a difficult thing to peg down, epecially since were restricting the
conversation here to pop music. Imagine a different situation where we
lauded Ray and Burt for their precision arrangements and considered
Esquivel a dupe for throwing in any old goofy effect just to sell a
record.

I don't want to beat this topic to death for I too would much rather
listen to Esquivel than Bert Kaempfert (It would be interesting to see if
anyone feels otherwise). I just wanted to make a point for including poor
old Bert rather than writing him off.

Frank (trying hard not to rant)


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Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 07:14:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: chuck <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) More on Vinyl Destruction

In the mid 70s I was driving past some guy with the back of his
pick-up truck full of 45s.  He was throwing them into a field.
Ahhrrrrrg!  I stopped and was able to talk him into giving the records
to me.  Its always been a wonderful memory everytime I play one of
these 45s. The music tended to be New Orleans rock & roll.

Easy Listening in the Big Easy,
Chuck

- ---Peter Risser  wrote:
 p.s. on a slightly related note, I just heard that Emerson College
(Boston, MA) today threw their entire vinyl record collection (around
40 years worth of records) into a dumpster
, Then there was the time that the Record Exchange Annex in the
Cleveland area (where I worked) burned to the ground.  This was the>
vinyl/CD store that had all the classical/jazz (and I assume Exotica,

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Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:49:43 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Disney Equation

I was quoted:

<< "I find it interesting that the Disney "backlash" has only happened in
 the last 4 or 5 years.  Before that no one ever said anything bad about
 Disney."

And m.ace responded:

" Not so. Ron Goulart's book, "The Assault On Childhood", with its long
 and interesting chapter on the Disney machine was published around the
 late 60s or early 70s. And it includes earlier quotes from others --
 Disney skepticism is nothing new. Of course the Disney cross-marketing
 push was already established in the 30s, so that's nothing new either." >>

My  response to that is:

I am familiar with the comments from that book but that book reached a fairly
limited audience.  The mass media (newsprint, tv, radio) did not ever say
anything bad about Disney until recent years.  Sure there have been detractors
of Disney all along but the major "viewing" audience (read the masses) did not
get word of this until very recently.  Because of this I stand by my original
comment copied above.

Robert


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Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 07:45:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: chuck <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Antonio Carlos Jobim CD

Cheryl:

I like the box set for what it does, a variety of interpretations of
some of his best songs but I would spend $8.49 at cdnow for Rio
Revisted.  For me it is the most exotic of all Jobim albums.  Lots of
girl chorus voices feverishly singing his songs.  A big, beautiful
prodution of Jobim.
You can't go wrong for the price. I noticed there was a video also, I
bet its great.

Easy Listening in the Big Easy,
Chuck

- ---cheryl  wrote:
 I just saw a 3-CD set of of Jobim's work, on Verve -
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Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 11:18:45 -0400
From: "Nathan Miner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Disney Equation -Reply

DISNEY SUCKS !!!!!!

End of discussion.




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Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:40:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: chuck <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Saving Jessica

First Irwin left, then Jack and now the Vinyl Collecting Queen of the
Exotica Scene, who is next?

Jessica you are in our exotica prayers, I hope all is well.

By the way, what albums have you purchased recently?

Easy Listening in the Big Easy,
Chuck
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Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:48:08 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Thrifting: Pro or Con and I hope Jesus ain't angry

<< On one hand, they supply a steady supply of
 low cost, used goods to a low-income population.  On the other hand,
 they raise money, by selling these products, which can then be
 re-distributed to other aspects of their charity.  >>

And this brings up the "ethics" of haggling over the price at a thrift.  Are
you taking the money from the needy by haggling?  Or just being thrifty (which
some friend of mine says if favorable in the eyes of the Lord)?

One time I was in a thrift and picked up something I really didn't need and it
was marked like $ 2.00.  I asked the clerk if they would take $ 1.00 and my
brother says, "Hey, you trying to take money from Jesus?"  And I said, "Do you
think he really needs it?"

My brother and I broke up laughing but the clerk was not amused.  I kindly
returned the item to the dirty stack from where it came, said a brief prayer
and got the hell outta there.

Heathenly,

Robert


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Date: Tue, 04 Aug 98 12:12:53 Pacific Daylight Time
From: darren hutton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Hey, wait.....

A recent thread here has been about the "morality" of shopping in thrift stores, garage sales etc. I have nothing
to add on that, but let me tell you this: When I was living in Edmonton last summer, Herb Alpert came to town.
Ticket price? 46 dollars and tax, Canadian. Now THAT'S immoral!

Darren!


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Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 12:03:56 -0400
From: Nat Kone <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: beyond the valley of thrift stores

At 11:57 PM 03/08/98 -0700, Eb wrote:

>Anyway, as enticing as this sounds to me, I can NOT get myself to walk up
>to some stranger's lawn/garage and start pawing through the accumulated
>debris of his life.

My biggest problem is that I can NOT get myself awake early enough.  But I
can appreciate this concern too.  You have to smile at the people... though
a weak smile will usually suffice.  You have to nod a couple of times as if
to say "nice stuff!".  Then when you determine that they have no records,
you have to pick up a couple of things just to feign interest.
Having said this though,  in my experience the general rules that apply to
thrift stores as far as what you are likely or unlikely to find, go out the
window with garage sales.  You might find ANYTHING at a garage sale.
The dealer-issue still applies.  If the garage sale is advertised, chances
are dealers will show up before the announced start-time and sometimes the
record dealers will just buy the whole box.  But luckily, most sales are
not advertised quite that way.
But there's no type of record that I haven't found at a garage sale from
great jazz to Moog records to you name it.
This summer I've yet to find a good garage sale but I haven't left my
neighbourhood and I think my neighbourhood is kind of dried up.  A friend
of mine who does it more seriously - and hits the outlying areas - picked
up 450 records in the first few weeks of this season and he won't buy just
anything.
I should also add that from time to time, if you see no records, you should
ask anyway.  Sometimes they don't put the records out even though they'd
apparently love to get rid of them.  Your heart can skip a beat or two when
you ask for the hell of it whether they have any records and moments later
you see one of them emerge with a "fresh" box of records.
But back to the original point, yes garage sales are kind of personal.  At
the thrift store, you can look around and say out loud "What a bunch of
crap!"  At a garage sale you have to be polite and even phoney... which can
be a challenge.

Nat



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