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exotica-digest         Monday, August 3 1998         Volume 02 : Number 174



In This Digest:

(exotica) Non-finds and finds
(exotica) Question About A Song
Re: (exotica) mallet-player humming disease
(exotica) finds and non-finds part 2
Re: (exotica) Question About A Song
Re: (exotica) On Thrift Store Shopping...
Re: (exotica) Thrift shopping (and question)
Re: (exotica) Richard Hell's Blank Generation
Re: (exotica) Question About A Song
Re: (exotica) finds and non-finds part 2
(exotica) What constitutes a "thrift" store anyway?
(exotica) Swap meet finds...
(exotica) Recommendations needed
Re: (exotica) On Thrift Store Shopping...
Re: (exotica) On Thrift Store Shopping...
Re: (exotica) finds and non-finds part 2
(exotica) Gleason Discography
Re: (exotica) Recommendations needed
Re: (exotica) Question About A Song
Re: (exotica) finds and Hawaiian records
Re: (exotica) Recommendations needed

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Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 17:31:47 +0000
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Subject: (exotica) Non-finds and finds

There are at least two things I enjoy about going through records.
    1. finding great music/ great cover art (or combination of both!)
    2. learning about LP's that I might want to get some day.
So, today I found some interesting records (the finds)...and found out ABOUT
some interesting records (the non-finds).

The Richard Marino Orchestra  Out of This World  LMM 13007
This would have been far more interesting if I had found the stereo
version.  Also,
I bet there are far more successful attempts to do this kind of "ethereal"
treatment
of standards.  However, there are some impressive moments that would have
pretty
good in stereo.

There is some sort of electronic instrument incorporated in the performance
which is not specified.  The three sopranos doing wordless vocals was the
real enhancer, though.

As the album notes say, this is a "highly impressionic album to take you
voyaging Out of This World on the rockets of your imagination." Well, if
you are on quayludes or something anyway.

The album is one Liberty's Premier series, so when you remove the record
and sleeve,
it has four very large circular holes through both sides of the cover (the
ultimate "cut-out" :> ). Luckilly, the effect worked because the album came
with its original sleeve (which completes the colors and patterns set up on
the cover).

I had never heard anyone say anything about this album...maybe because it's
too laid back.  However, like I said, it has its eccentric moments that
take it out of the realm of just another Mantovani-type string orchestra.

More later on finds and non-finds.

Byron

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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 22:06:45 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Question About A Song

I went garage saling yesterday and found quite a few jazz albums, exotica and
pop. One album, Lambert, Hendricks and Ross has a song that I've heard before
but for the life of me I can't remember who sang it. It's a sort of goofy song
called "Twisted". Can anyone help me out with who sang other versions.

I also got two organ albums: one by Ethel Smith and the other by Buddy Cole. I
can't find any info on either of these artists. Any help there also?

I finally got a copy of Les Baxter's Jungle Jazz album.

On a sad note, I got an album called The Cool Scene which looked VERY beat
generation, and when I got it home discovered the album was split in two. I
was VERY disappointed. The song titles alone leave me weak.
Gloria


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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 19:11:16 -0700
From: "Carl Russo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) mallet-player humming disease

>It might be a musicians with mallets thing. At a recent duet Austin show,
>drummer Sunny Murray was working his kit and humming madly. Then saxist
>Sonny Simmons sauntered back on stage and showed how to really perform a
>tune.
>
>MimiM


Same with vibes player Bobby Hutchinson.  He not only hums along
open-mouthed, but he grimaces like he's experiencing a hernia.

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Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 18:31:57 +0000
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) finds and non-finds part 2

Here are other disc-coveries:

Ferrante & Teicher  Broadway to Hollywood Columbia  CL 1607
Another mono recording which is also available in stereo, however I don't
think I will be actively looking for the stereo version.  I was quite
excited when I ran into this record when I spied a fragment of a
sentence on the album notes: "...exploits with prepared pianos--plucked
strings, tacked Hammers, wacking the lid..."

"Wow," I said,"another prepared piano album I don't have!" I snatched it
up and didn't think twice.

Should have thought twice...or at least read the COMPLETE notes.

The sentence begins "Here they abandon their exploits with prepared piano..."

Oops.

Actually, the notes weren't completely correct. The duo did NOT give up
prepared piano entirely...still that plays a minor role to the full
orchestra and standard piano playing.

I would advocate this album above most of their later albums with UA, but
that is far as I'd go.

- ----

Tito Rivera and His Cuban Orchestra   Echoes of Havana Tops L 1637
A decent album that I do not regret buying for 50 cents.  Pretty good sound
for mono.  These are good Latin big band performances, but nothing truly
extraordinary.  The cover is pretty boring with a dark picture of a
guitar/drums trio performing on a dance stage (with, of course, populated
with twirling couples).

- ----

Jorge Renan   Wild Guitars  KAPP KL-1270
Pretty guitar playing but nothing really "wild" as the title and colorful
cover promise.

- ----

Kurt Maier  Around the World  Rondo-lette  A33
I bought this more for the cover than anything else (7 women wearing
bathing suits standing in shallow water holding colorful scarfs above their
heads).  It is mostly Kurt Maier playing the piano, but bongos occasionally
make an appearance (especially in the Brazil cut--a medly of Bai-A-Ai,
Quiereme Mucho, Perfidia and Cumana).  The music was barely
interesting...even with cuts which had the Latin flavor.

- ----

Other records I don't have time to listen to immediately but I have some
hope for:

Marjorie Meinert   Sitting Pretty  RCA LPM 2168
Dick Schory  Carnegie Hall  Ovation  OV 14 10 2
Ruth Welcome  Welcome to Zither Land  Capitol  T 1471
Ruth Welcome  Zither in 3/4 Time  Capitol  ST 1318
The Paris Left Bank Musicians  Holiday in Paris  Bravo K 123
Bill Justis  Bill Justis plays 12 big instrumental hits  Smash MGS 27021
Miyoshi Umeki  Miyoshi Sings for Arthur Godfrey  Mercury  MG 20165
Buddy Merrill Sounds of Love  Accent ACS 5024
Buddy Merrill The Many Splendored Guitar of Buddy Merrill  Accent  AC 5022
(I am really growing to like Buddy Merrill.  Check out my latest
playlist #89 on the Mr. Smooth Website indicated below)


The non-finds:

Here are records mentioned on the sleeves that sound interesting to me.
What do you think?

On Polydor: James Last
    Piano a gogo
       Hammond a gogo (1,2,3)
    Trumpet a gogo (1,2,3)
    Guitar a gogo
    Humba Humba a gogo  (huh?)
These are all albums (according to the notes), "fur viele, viele Parties."
Among the types of parties recommended: Pot Party, Hot Party, Cool Party,
Beat Party and Bierparty.

On Kapp:

Artie Barsamian and his Orch.  Seventh Veil  KL 1090/KS 3044
Tarrangano and Orch.  Surprise Party Latin Style  ML 7511
Lani Royal  Percussive Pineapples  ML 7516
Joe Harnell  Naked City  ML 7517
Joe Harnell  Asphalt Jungle  ML 7518

Byron



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Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 18:38:48 +0000
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Question About A Song

At 10:06 PM 8/2/98 EDT, Gloria wrote:
> One album, Lambert, Hendricks and Ross has a song that I've heard before
>but for the life of me I can't remember who sang it. It's a sort of goofy
song
>called "Twisted".

I got the same album today!  Twisted was done quite successfully by Joni
Mitchell with a cameo from Cheech and Chong.


>I also got two organ albums: one by Ethel Smith and the other by Buddy Cole.

From my discological research (reading record liners):  Ethel Smith recorded
exclusively for Decca and her best known performance was Tico Tico (it
seems to be on every other of her albums).  For my money, Lenny Dee is the
male Ethel Smith.  Avoid her Christmas album however: it is too sanctified
for me (unless that is what you want).

Buddy Cole released several Warner Brothers albums which swing pretty well.
 He may have also recorded for Columbia as well, if memory serves.

Byron

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Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 19:19:42 +0000
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) On Thrift Store Shopping...

At 11:24 AM 8/2/98 -0500, Frank wrote:
>I guess I'm just really wondering what a demographics of this list might
>reveal.

I have been thrift storing and garage saling since before I remember.  My
parents were hard working veterans of WWII and Korea with three children
to support and with the memory of The Great Depression.  Thus, they tried
to save by going to the PX (that's Post Exchange) at San Francisco's
Presidio for large grocery buys...and by occasionally checking out the
thrift stores.  Our race car set came from post thrift store as well as
many back issues of National Geographic.

So, I just continued that approach when I finally started to buy stuff (as
always, mainly records).  That, combined with my eclectic musical
upbringing, made exotica an always background interest of mine...and
second-hand was always the main source.

As a college student, I scrimped and saved everywhere.  Not only was it a
necessity, but I enjoyed the challenge of keeping up my record buying and
putting food on the table.

In the job market, I worked at public radio stations... and began to buy CDs.
OW! Low income and high outgo.  I still went to the thrifts (for everything
but
CDs) just to make up for the net loss from the new audio technology!

Finally, though, I got a job that pays well enough to buy CDs and quality
used records (and pay the important bills, too). However, I still go to the
second-hand outlets because I find most of the more interesting stuff can
be discovered there.  The hunt is fun and I will continue to do it as time
allows.

I suppose if I ever find a partner in life, that type of recreation may
have to change somewhat.  I do include the mix of buying new (CD's) and
from the web/internet (new and old), but I still mostly enjoy the thrift
stores: I find the best stuff there.  After all, the used record stores
probably get their stock from people who go to thrift stores (I see these
people all the time: they don't buy for their interests, only for what they
know they can re-sell).  By going to the thrift store, I save money, cut
out the middle-person, and get the joy of the hunt.


Byron



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Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 19:20:05 +0000
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Thrift shopping (and question)

At 10:32 AM 8/2/98 PDT, Ben wrote:
>Anyway, the question is: does anyone know if the Disney (;) lp: The
>Enchanted Tiki Room has ever made it to disc?

Not sure about the whole LP, but the best part is on "Classic Disney"
Volume II on, of course, Walt Disney Records (CD 60866):  "The Tiki, Tiki,
Tiki Room."

Unlike other companies which seem to care less about reissues unless they
see a HUGE audience, Disney seems to be on a program of reissuing
everything it ever did again and again.  If it hasn't reissued the entire
album, I bet it wouldn't take too much prodding to get Disney to do it
(especially if it ties into some re-opening or other product).

Byron

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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 23:36:39 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Richard Hell's Blank Generation

It's based on the beat exploitation classic "Beat Generation" by Bob McFadden
(aka Rod McKuen) and Dor.  It's a great (albeit cheesy, not classy) song.  The
only thing jazzy about either version is Bob Quine's swinging chainsaw-
through-abandoned-car guitar stylings...

- --David


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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 00:06:37 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Question About A Song

In a message dated 8/2/98 10:18:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

>  One album, Lambert, Hendricks and Ross has a song that I've heard before
>  but for the life of me I can't remember who sang it. It's a sort of goofy
> song
>  called "Twisted". Can anyone help me out with who sang other versions.

You may have heard Joni Mitchell's version, which is on the same album as her
hit song "Help Me".

Larry


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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 00:11:50 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) finds and non-finds part 2

In a message dated 8/2/98 11:07:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [e-mail]
writes:
From your list of non-finds:
> Lani Royal  Percussive Pineapples  ML 7516

I've got this one and it is quite good.  You should grab it if you come across
it. It includes an excellent version of "The Hawaiian War Chant."

Larry


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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 00:58:47 EST
From: "Brian Karasick" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) What constitutes a "thrift" store anyway?

Peter Hipwell writes:
> I got my copies of "Messe Pour Le Temps Present" and "Duck Stab/Buster
> and Glen" at charity shops.
Not likely you'd have easily found these at most record stores here
in North America let alone at thrifts!

recliner writes:
> I would have never thought it humanly possible to have bought records for
> this long and to never have gone into a thrift shop!!?? That's one for
> the record books (no pun intended).
This leads me into the question of what constitutes a thrift shop
since the sort of places I've always frequented looking for books,
records, electronics and whatever else I may find aren't exactly
catering to an upscale market, if you know what I mean. Church
Bazaars, flea markets, record fairs and their like are social events
as much as places to buy and I never miss those. I simply haven't
ever gone into a Goodwill or Salvation Army store looking for
records.  Personally I think my aversion to SA is a fear in the back
of my mind that I'll walk in and will be instantly targeted by an
older man or woman in uniform asking if I'd heard the word of God
today and I'd never be seen again. Well one of the stores I did go
into was a SA and no the only uniforms I encountered were those Wal-
Mart type smocks worn by the cashiers.  I think it was a bit of an
anticlimax!

Now the other store I went into was at my mother's recomendation as
she had donated some old clothes to it as part of some association's
funding drive.  The place was called Value Village and it was as
antiseptic and organized as the SA and filled with much the same not
too happy looking clientele and a lot of broken junk. I didn't think a
whole lot about it beyond what I'd already stated until Cheryl
mentioned she noticed they had a poster for a website on the door.
So... we checked it out today and what do we find?   It's an American
chain of 125 stores and what's that, they deal in "collectibles"?  We
click on the records icon on the site and what do we see but a
a photo of "Music to read James Bond By" followed by a bid list for
collectors vinyl (with minimums!) and instructing you to make your
deal with the manager of the store in question!!!  Now my mother
donated stuff to this place, so my guess is the charity drive in
question collects and is handed over a cut (probably at xx cents per
pound) for the merchandise. I'm beginning to see a pattern that's
really starting to make me sick. This aside though, no wonder none
of the records in it were good.  The best ones were probably hived
off by the store to more lucrative markets than Winnipeg, Manitoba.
I kid you not, it's all there.  Check out the site yourselves if you
don't believe me!

So that's why I'm a bit confused about what a thrift store really is.
How long until the Salvation Army gets in on the act?   I haven't
looked for a website but I can't bring myself to do so...


Nat Kone writes:
> >You know, it's posts like this, along with some previous ones, that
> >make me think there may be a touch of difference between N. American
> >"thrifts" and British charity shops.
Judging from my discoveries, this would be somewaht of an
understatement! "Only in America" as they say...

> Of course, here in Canada, if you get to the thrift store as they open, you
> do get at the bargains first but on the other hand, they make you stand for
> "God Save the Queen".  I tried to buy an Esquivel record once while the
> anthem was still playing. They took the record from me as if to ring it up
> but then they wouldn't give it back.
Well Canada is not all the same, as over here in Quebec, the next
province over from the one containing Toronto, you'd be as likely to
hear this being played as you would the Israeli national anthem in
the Syrian legislature! I think only the Belgian(s) on the group will
be able to relate to this one though. I wonder if there's a mandatory
Lord's Prayer at the Salvation Army.  Now you're really scaring me
into thinking my first experience there was maybe just a lucky
coincidence...

Brian Karasick
Physical Planner
McGill University
Montreal, Canada


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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 01:04:06 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Swap meet finds...

Okay you thrift scores people:

As you all know, I don't do thrift stores (mostly because I don't have the
time), so every few months I go to the local record swap meet here in Los
Angeles (the Pasadena swap meet) and I thought I'd post what I got and for how
much - for those of you who are curious.  I spent 3 hours and $75. I got quite
a few things I wanted or had been recommended over the months from list
members.  Some of the stuff I just bought because I was curious about the
artist, like Geo. Shearing, Dave Brubeck, Edmundo Ros and Walter Wanderley.
Total spent $75 (About the cost of 4 or 5 CD re-issues).  It's a lot of money,
but when you consider I wasn't buying blindly (i.e., got alot of stuff that
had been reccomended) and when you factor in my time, I think I did pretty
well.  All the vinyl is in near mint condition and I didn't have to spend
hours and hours driving to thrift stores, etc.  But considering the expense, I
probably won't listen to this stuff for a month or two (when I've forgotten
how much I spent).  The asking price is in parentheses and the final price I
paid after haggling, is the discount price:

Dealer #1:
The James Bond Thrillers - Roland Shaw Orchestra ($6)
More Themes From James Bond Thrillers - Roland Shaw Orch. ($6)
Edmundo Ros - Dancing With Ros ($4)
TV Action Jazz! - Mundell Lowe ($4)
Total = $21.  After discount, $15

Dealer #2:
Mr. Lucky Goes Latin ($7)
Total = $7.  After discount, $5

Dealer #3, A half-price sale:
9 Beats To The Bar - The Benet Hallberg, Nisse Engstrom.... ($15)
More Music From Peter Gun ($6)
Combo! - Mancini ($15)
Batucada - W. Wanderley ($10)
Brass & Bamboo - Tak Shindo ($6)
Best of Rene Touzet ($6)'
Rain Forest - W. Wanderley ($6)
On The Sunny Side of the Strip ($6)
Dave Brubecks Greatest Hits ($6)
Total = $74, after discount $37

Dealer #4:
Movin 'n' Grovin' - The 3 Suns ($8)
Bossa Nova Brazil: Brazil To Hollywood  - Rene Touzet ($6)
Explosive Brass Impact, Vol. 2 - Warren Kime ($6)
Total = $20, after discount $18

- - Michele


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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 01:04:09 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Recommendations needed

Oh my recent shopping trip (see swap meet posts) I picked up a few artists I
didn't know anything about and was looking for a few others I couldn't find.
I was wondering if I could get recommendations of albums to look for by the
following:

Bert Kaempfurt
Dave Brubeck
George Shearing
Edmundo Ros

I realize these artists may have been discussed in the past, but unfortunately
we don't have an archive with a search engine that would enable me to search
for these.  I think it would be great if we could add some of the
recommendations to the Faqs list that Ross is making up - that way we don't
have to keep repeating this info over and over.  I realize that could be
problematic but we could just limit it to like 3 or 4 albums per artist.

What do you guys think?  And does anyone have any recommendations about the
above artists?  I will ad them to my next shopping trip.

Thanx in advance,

Michele


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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 02:14:07 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) On Thrift Store Shopping...

In a message dated 98-08-01 02:37:27 EDT, [e-mail] writes:

<< Me too.  I saw the local record-shop guy at the thrifts, and since I
 occasionally browse in his store and our kids are in the same grade and
 school, went over to say hello.  I made a mental note of the albums he was
 obviously going to buy (for 50 cents), and went to his store the next day.
 Sure enough, in his "just in" bin, there they were - priced between $5 and
 $20. >>

Now doesn't that just burn you up!  But then again, unless you ahve lots of
time you hare going to have a hard time beating the dealers to their sources.
We all know how this goes at swap meets, garage sales, etc.  What I really
hate is having bought something from a dealer at one place and then finding it
cheaper at another dealer.  It hasn't happened in awhile because I kind of
know who's got the best prices now, but when I first started, it happened a
few times.  We live and learn.

- - Michele


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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 02:14:19 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) On Thrift Store Shopping...

In a message dated 98-08-02 11:23:25 EDT, [e-mail] writes:

<< I don't think anyone has brought this up, it may be a touchy subject but,
 I get a feeling that those who distain Thrift stores just might have a
 higher income than the average thrifter. I myself suffer from "starving
 artist syndrome". I purposefully live in underemployment and this make
 thrift shopping a necessity.  >>

As I've said before, If I only had the time..... I'd go to thrift stores. But
if you work full time,are a graduate student, write for a fanzine and have a
few other misc. hobbies (like fish keeping), not to mention a household to
maintain, the time shopping in thrifts has a very high opportunity cost.  Of
course if you are dirt poor, you got to do the thrifts.  But my life is set up
the opposite way so my time is so valuable and I can't spend it driving around
weekend after weekend looking in thrift stores.  Who's going to do my
research, write my paper, etc.?

So those with no time have to pay the dealers.  Its costs alot, but hey, that
paper gets written.

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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 21:24:20 -0800
From: "paul m." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) finds and non-finds part 2

>Ferrante & Teicher  Broadway to Hollywood Columbia  CL 1607
>I would advocate this album above most of their later albums with UA, but
>that is far as I'd go.

that is unless one prefers their syrupy cover versions of sixties pop
tunage, like myself !



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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 23:42:17 -0800
From: "paul m." <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Gleason Discography

anyone here ever seen a Gleason Discography anywhere?

i have oodles of his Lps but wonder how close i am to having
the complete collection.

in particular, i wonder what his last 'studio' effort of 'new'
material was ?


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Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 23:00:23 +0000
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Recommendations needed

At 01:04 AM 8/3/98 EDT, [e-mail] wrote:
>I was wondering if I could get recommendations of albums to look for by
>Bert Kaempfurt

Try:
...love that Bert Kaempfert  Decca DL 74986

It has a 2:45 version of Caravan which is quite unique and one of my
favorite arrangements (which, by the way, I learned about on this list).
Can't vouch for anything else he has done, however.

>Dave Brubeck

I think everything he did is great, but you can't go wrong with a mint
copy of anything he did on Fantasy, his first label.  IF you can find
his Fantasy stuff, it is not liable to be in good condition, so near
mint or even a little less than that would be good (At the time he was
big with the college crowds, and most records sold would have been
ruined by those portable players students used in their dorms...my theory,
anyway).

I also like his Columbia releases, but he did get a bit too thematic
at times.  His "time" record (s?) were truly interesting.

He also recorded for Concord, but it is not the classic Dave Brubeck for
my money.

>George Shearing

Funny thing.  Like Brubeck, Shearing also recorded for Concord, but I'd
recommend concentrating on the earlier Capitol recordings.  I like all of
them, but the straightforward unadulterated Shearing seems best to me
(where he has only a small ensemble and isn't playing with another "name"
performer).  Capitol put out some great covers for Shearing, if you care
about such things.

>Edmundo Ros

Closest to exotica.  Some people on the list DO NOT like him, although I
can't understand why. I like his humor.  He definitely has a sound of his
own.  His two Ros on Broadway albums are some of the best Broadway-themed
records around.  Also Hollywood Cha Cha Cha, Arriba, and Bongos from the
South are great: all on London.


My two cents worth.

Byron

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Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 04:05:33 -0400
From: Nat Kone <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Question About A Song

At 10:06 PM 02/08/98 EDT, [e-mail] wrote:

>>I also got two organ albums: one by Ethel Smith and the other by Buddy
Cole. I
>can't find any info on either of these artists. Any help there also?

Ethel Smith?  I have a record by her called "Ethel Smiths' Cha Cha Cha
Album".
Good title, eh?  And it has two standout cuts.  "Sk-ratch" (written by
Quincy Jones) and "Flirtation Mambo".  But this is the only record of hers
that I've ever thought was worth keeping... unless you keep everything.
I know some people here call Lenny Dee, the "male Ethel Smith" but as "p.c"
as that may be, cut for cut Lenny blows her out of the water.
And I know that I may be dealing in distinctions which are too fine to
discern by the human ear but I'd say Lenny is simply a better musician. I
like some of Ethel's cuts but I don't think she's actually that good.
But if you like Ken Griffin, you'll love Ethel.
Buddy Cole records I bought at one point but now I don't unless there's
really nothing else.

Nat



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Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 04:05:36 -0400
From: Nat Kone <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) finds and Hawaiian records

At 06:31 PM 02/08/98 +0000, [e-mail] wrote:
>
>Here are other disc-coveries:

And here are the ones that make me jealous:

>Kurt Maier  Around the World  Rondo-lette  A33
>I bought this more for the cover than anything else (7 women wearing
>bathing suits standing in shallow water holding colorful scarfs above their
>heads).

I must have that cover.

>Ruth Welcome  Welcome to Zither Land  Capitol  T 1471
>Ruth Welcome  Zither in 3/4 Time  Capitol  ST 1318

Those two make me jealous... NOT!

>Buddy Merrill Sounds of Love  Accent ACS 5024
>Buddy Merrill The Many Splendored Guitar of Buddy Merrill  Accent  AC 5022

But Buddy Merrill, that totally makes my insides crawl with jealousy.  Even
if the titles of the records are a little scarey.  The one Buddy Merrill
record I have, I think I would put in my top 100 of all time.
And if anyone's making a definitive list of great "exotica" cuts, I'd like
to nominate "Escondido" by the same Mr. Merrill.

>Here are records mentioned on the sleeves that sound interesting to me.
>What do you think?
>
>On Polydor: James Last

I can't believe there's a James Last record worth fantasizing about.  I
ignored them for years but then someone mentioned "Voodoo" and when I saw
it, I bought it... and okay, it's kind of interesting if you like
warmed-over Santana.  It's apparently a bit of a "D.J's" record - owing
mostly to the cut "Giant Man" - and I've been told it's hard to find so
maybe that's a reason to take it if you see it.  It's definitely wilder
than most James Last.
I'm sure someone will write in and identify other decent James Last cuts
but still, all in all, I think you can basically ignore him unless there's
really nothing else to buy.

>Lani Royal  Percussive Pineapples  ML 7516

This record is... okay.  There are really only a few cuts which support the
"percussive" in the title.  The version of "Hawaian War Chant" is the only
cut that's really distinct from your average okay Hawaiian record.

And this brings up a real dilemna for me.  Hawaiian records.

You should have a few I figure.  ("Should" kind of makes me laugh there but..)

I don't buy every Hawaiian record that I see but I can't really explain why
I buy what I buy and reject the others.  The only clear thing I can say is
I buy all the ones with naked women or barely clothed women on the cover.
(But that's true for any genre.)

I've kept about twenty or so and except for the ones that were rejected for
music but accepted for the cover, I got rid of the rest.

I used to think that there was a clear if subtle difference between the
Hawaaian records I kept and the ones I rejected.  But the last time I was
looking for a Hawaaian cut or two for some tapes I was making, whatever I'd
seen in those records that made me keep them in the first place, seemed to
have eluded me.

Does anyone else know what I'm talking about here?  Okay there are a couple
of okay bands or arrangers.  The Surfmen, certain records by Webley Edwards
- - but not all - and certain things by Leo Addeo but otherwise, boy are
these records indistinct from each other.

I know some people make the distinction between Hawaiian records recorded
in Hawaii and the vast majority apparently recorded in Nashville but that
difference also seems to elude me.  Sweet Leilani is pretty well Sweet
Leilani whether it's a Nashville session steel player or a "genuine"
Hawaiian musician.

Should I keep buying these or should I give up on the genre?

(Except for the occasional uh.. covers.)

Nat






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Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 04:54:08 -0400
From: Nat Kone <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Recommendations needed

At 01:04 AM 03/08/98 EDT, [e-mail] wrote:
>I was wondering if I could get recommendations of albums to look for by the
>following:
>
>Bert Kaempfurt

A musician like Bert here points up for me a dilemna I always have when
responding to things like this on this list.  (But it doesn't stop me.)

You see, I know that there are some here who seem to keep everything they
buy as long as it's kind of okay.  I know I've bought a bunch of Bert
records over the years but when I go to the shelves to find one to
recommend, there's nothing there.  I must have given them away to friends
of mine who like the same stuff I do except THEY LIKE EVERYTHING.

A guy like Bert Kaempfert, you certainly can't say "Oh he's crap!" because
he isn't crap.  He's a talented arranger and musician blah blah blah.  But
if there is a really extraordinary B.K. record that's actually worth going
out of your way to find, I'll be pleasantly surprised to hear about it.

I think that Bert was working in the same general area as a few guys that I
do like and I can't understand why I almost always keep David Carroll
records - in fact I almost never make a lounge tape without a few of his
cuts - but I apparently never keep Bert Kaempfert records.  For all I know
it was kind of "accidental".

So yeah, no Bert recommendations from this corner.

>Dave Brubeck

I think they're probably all pretty much the same as long as they have Paul
Desmond on them and not Dave's kids, the Brubeck Generation.

Brubeck was sort of jazz for people with no jazz records.  I know some jazz
fans and collectors who see him as nothing less than the Antichrist.

Since I've gotten into lounge, I've given up most of my jazz snobbery.
Hard to be a snob while you're tapping your foot to Lenny Dee.  So I sort
of thought I'd get around to reassessing Brubeck but somehow he still
doesn't make it.  I guess I don't mind fake jazz when there are no
pretensions to real jazz.  But Brubeck still has the pretensions for me.
And the man had no soul.

But Paul Desmond on the other hand, Brubeck's usual reedman.. He was/is a
great musician.  And he can make you tolerate any Brubeck record.

So again, from this corner, they're all pretty much the same. Okay.

>George Shearing

Well first, George has some of the greatest album covers of all time.

I can recommend an early record called "Shearing in Hi Fi" with a wild sort
of psychedelic hi fi cover and surprisingly for George, no babes.
It's got Cal Tjader on vibes and Toots Thieleman (called "Jean" in those
days) on guitar.  It's quite a cool Latinesque record.  In fact this was
the record that made me rethink George who before that, for me, was just
the man with the babe-o-licious covers.

It's an old cliche but I'd say look for "his earlier ones", preferably with
Cal Tjader in the group and preferably with a Latin bent.

>Edmundo Ros
>I realize these artists may have been discussed in the past,

Yes well Edmondo was extensively discussed a few months back not long after
I joined the list and as one of the Edmondo-trashers, I probably should
recuse myself from this discussion.
But I won't.

I've bought well over a dozen Edmondo records and kept four.  Two of the
best are on Phase Four. One of them is the oft-mentioned "Hair Goes Latin"
where he covers the songs from "Hair" and the other one is "Heading South
of the Border" where he does a surprisingly fun cover of "United We Stand".
I think someone else will mention another record on Phase Four called
"Arriba" but I warn you, if you like playing your records all the way
through, don't buy this record.

I'm not going to dredge up the Edmondo vs. Cugat or Edmondo vs.Prado debate
again but let's see if I can make an analogy.
If you loved grunge or alternative music, you might have loved Alice in
Chains too.  If you liked that sound, they had that sound too.

If you like these "pop Latin" records, well Edmondo made them.  And if you
want to have as many as you can find, you'll definitely have some Edmondo
records.

But I strongly suspect that if you'd asked Edmondo himself about his
records versus Cugat's or Prado's, he himself would have said that those
guys were "too way out" for his or his audience's taste.

Just my guess anyway.

Nat, responding to lots of posts this morning.



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