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exotica-digest         Sunday, August 2 1998         Volume 02 : Number 173



In This Digest:

Re: (exotica) More URLs
Re: (exotica) Lazlo, help
Re: (exotica) On Thrift Store Shopping...
(exotica) Re: Supermarket Music)
re:Re: (exotica) Popp&Basta&Scott
Re: (exotica) Humming
(exotica) reel fun
re:Re: (exotica) Popp&Basta&Scott
Re: (exotica) On Thrift Store Shopping...
Re: (exotica) tape fun
(exotica) Thrift finds
Re: (exotica) On Thrift Store Shopping...
Re: (exotica) On Thrift Store Shopping...
(exotica) Billy May Live!
(exotica) Thrift finds - postscript
[Brian Karasick: Re: (exotica) On Thrift Store Shopping...]
Re: (exotica) On Thrift Store Shopping...
Re: (exotica) Thrift finds - postscript
(exotica) Re: More FAQing Questions
(exotica) Re: Anyone for a FAQ?
Re: (exotica) Thrift shopping (and question)
(exotica) Playlist For Space Bop, August 2
(exotica) Richard Hell's Blank Generation
(exotica) Italy, too!
(exotica) Las Vegas Grind is Grand
Re: (exotica) Thrift shopping (and question)
Re: (exotica) Richard Hell's Blank Generation
Re: (exotica) Richard Hell's Blank Generation
Re:  (exotica) Thrift finds - postscript
Re:  (exotica) Thrift finds - postscript
(exotica) "Sound Gallery" curators' other releases?
Re: (exotica) Thrift shopping (and question)

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Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 15:36:45 +0000
From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) More URLs

Thanks for your constant inspiring supply of bookmarks, Lou!

MO*



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Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 15:37:07 +0000
From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Lazlo, help

Lazlo Nibble wrote:

> (For the record,
> the two most regularly off-topic lists I'm on are alloy [the Thomas Dolby
> list] and the dirtylist [for Underworld, Freur, et al.].  You're lucky to get
> 10% relevant posts on some days...)

I don't find that surprising at all. Imagine talking about Thomas Dolby for
years on a daily basis... wow!

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Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 15:39:58 +0000
From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) On Thrift Store Shopping...

It looks like thrift shops are amazingly different. I went to stores all
over America, big cities and little hole-and-corner-towns (I've got that
expression from the dictionary) as well. There were times when more than
half of my wardrobe consisted of thrift shop finds. I used to be proud
that everything on my body costed less than 10$ all together. I just
sold two Hawaiian shirts I bought in  a salvation shop in San Jose 1979
for a Dollar to the Subliminal shop in Stockholm and got a copy of the
Hawaiian Eye LP for it... And records, of course: Once you've found an
Exotica 1 Mono or Perez Prado Voodoo Suite in lava red vinyl for 50c you
wouldn't complain about some other junk that might be in the thrift
shops. How about vintage Apple One computers...I know it takes to be a
nerd to collect those but one day they will be incredible collectors
items and you could get them for 5$ in a thrift shop in Glendale two
years ago. Is Canada that different?

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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 16:25:08 +0200
From: Johan Dada Vis <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re: Supermarket Music)

    thanx for this info, Chuck!
    i've added your name (not your address) to my acknowledgement page.

        Johan


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At 11:59 -0700 98/07/27, chuck wrote:
>Johan:
>I checked out your exotica releases overview and you had a question as
>to the relase date of Supermarket Music
>
>I looked again at the notes inside the Lorraine Bowen experience and
>it was recorded in Copenhagen in 1996.  There is really no other info
>available on the cd not in Japanese.  I'm not sure if it ws released
>in 1996 or 1997.
>
>Easy Listening in the Big Easy,
>Chuck
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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 13:47:22 -0400
From: "Br. Cleve" <[e-mail]>
Subject: re:Re: (exotica) Popp&Basta&Scott

>At 11:04 AM +0200 7/28/98, Basta Audio Visuals wrote:
>
>>I hope you can help me. I am from Basta Audio Visuals from Holland.

ah, that pesky Reply command! I didn't notice the cc to the list. Sorry for
the intrusion.

>There are around 400 people on that list, including folks from Sweden,
>Germany, South Africa, Japan, Canada, England, Holland and the U.S.

Hey, I forgot Belgium and Scotland! Sorry about that Johan, Jill and Robbie

ya know, with all this talk recently about roll calls and lurkers, what
other ends of the earth are represented on this list? Now that I think of
it, we have Italy and Australia, too.

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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 14:09:20 -0400
From: "m.ace" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Humming

You can also hear Thelonious Monk vocalizing in the background
sometimes.

I wonder if the idea behind this might be to aid keyboard/mallet
players in forming breath-sized phrases, such as a wind instrument
would play.

Keith Jarret must be close to a worst-case scenario, though. He doesn't
hum -- he whines.

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Date: Sat, 01 Aug 98 15:29:11 PDT
From: "B. Yost" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) reel fun

Charlieman said:

<Bring back the reel-to-reel decks!>

I wholeheartedly agree.  After looking at them occasionally in thrift
stores over the past few years and not buying
because either:  a) they appeared to be in questionable condition, or, b)
they were priced too high for something
that might not work at all, or, c) both a and b, I finally bought one
earlier this year.  It's a mid-1960s Akai in mint
condition and they only wanted $5 u.s. at the yard sale.  It works
perfectly and even came with three tapes made by the prior
owner.  One is big band/swing music; one is stuff by Mancini and Kaempfert;
and the other, entitled "Mood Music
for Dining" contains tracks by Herb Alpert, Sergio Mendes and the like.
What's amazing is the excellent fidelity
of these tapes.  They are 30+ years old, on a semi-fragile recording
medium, taped from LPs, yet the sound today
even on headphones is near perfect.  Mounting the tape on the player and
threading it through the complex tape
path is fun too.

There is something strangely satisfying about obsolete and/or antiquated
technologies.  Many of us on this list have
8-track tape players.  Others have mentioned old video games (Atari) and
primitive computers.  My current PC
doesn't have a CD-ROM drive, and instead of moving forward in time and
acquiring one,
I'd like to move backwards and install an 8-track tape drive right in an
empty port on my PC tower.
Whether it worked or not, it would just look cool.

Finally, with the recent discussions about thrift store experiences, I must
recommend the book "Thrift Score."  It is
the definitive guide to the art of thrifting.  Very witty and entertaining
and available in paperback, probably at your
local library too.

- -- Brad


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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 98 17:45:42 -0400
From: Elisabeth Vincentelli <[e-mail]>
Subject: re:Re: (exotica) Popp&Basta&Scott

I'm from France but living in New York. I don't know how that counts :)

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Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 18:16:23 -0400
From: Nat Kone <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) On Thrift Store Shopping...

At 03:39 PM 01/08/98 +0000, Moritz R wrote:
>
>It looks like thrift shops are amazingly different.  Is Canada that
different?

No I don't think so but obviously some Canadians are... even on this list.
A friend of mine just came back from out west and brought a box of great
finds including the Marty Gold "Moog plays the Beatles" and Harry Breuer's
"Happy Moog" which he gave ME.
But to tell you the truth, finding collector's items in thrift stores is
not my motivation at all.  Maybe you need to find a few every year to keep
your interest high.  But I like thrift stores   In fact I love them.  And
if I go to a new town or even a new part of town and don't visit a thrift
store, I feel cheated.
And as far as records go, one of the reasons I go to thrift stores - as
well as used record stores - is because of the records you would seldom, if
ever, see at a used record store.
I have dreams - waking and sleeping - about turning the corner in a thrift
store and coming upon piles of records.  But maybe I'm a dusty guy already.
Myself I don't like antique stores.  If they've got records, I might make
my way back to them but all the time I'm thinking "Don't knock anything over".
And talk about being stared at!  At least at a thrift store, when you pick
something up, nobody's looking down their nose at you wondering if you know
what you just picked up.
"Yeah I know what it is!  It's a... it's a. uh.. one of those things you
put flowers in"

There are no wrong answers at a thrift store.  To each, his own.

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Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 23:18:22 +0100
From: Hugh Petfield <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) tape fun

Brad wrote:
>My current PC doesn't have a CD-ROM drive, and instead of moving
>forward in time and acquiring one, I'd like to move backwards
>and install an 8-track tape drive right in an empty port on
>my PC tower.  Whether it worked or not, it would just look cool.

I'm not sure about using 8-track for data, but for audio it should be ok.
If you had a spare serial port and connected it to a digital-analog
converter, you could even change track by clicking an icon!  That
would indeed be cool.

The era of the 8-track, for the most part, ended before the start of
the era of the home computer, but I wonder if anyone ever did
write a program to give the best fit of a 10 or 11 track LP on
a blank 8-track, from a list of the individual song durations?
It'd be an interesting assignment.

Of course, 8-track would be too bulky for a laptop computer.
You'd need a playtape drive for that.

Hugh.


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Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 23:18:25 +0100
From: Hugh Petfield <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Thrift finds

Acquisitions from the Scope Shop in Croydon today.

- - EMI Studio 2 1969, "Go Hammond Go" - Wally Green and
his Hammond Combo.  Superbly recorded but unexciting material.
Designed for ballroom dancing schools, there are some unusual
tempos, e.g. "The good, the bad and the ugly" is done as a samba,
ditto "A walk in the black forest"
- - Decca Phase 4 1968, "Focus on Phase 4 Sampler"
14 tracks from Stanley Black, Ted Heath, Edmundo Ros etc.
Even a cut from Les Paul.  Superb
- - RCA Camden, 1963 "Living Voices sing Rambling Rose etc"
Arranged by Anita Kerr.  Record so-so, but the sleeve is a
masterpiece of kitsch, with a photo of a gal surrounded by roses,
and the rest of the sleeve is in pale pink metallic finish, like pink
cooking foil.

I also bought three Andy Williams albums which, 30+ years on,
sound surprisingly good, both in hi-fi and arrangement terms.

Hugh.

PS: If anyone can suggest a good place to try for out-of-stock
Rhino CD's, could they mail me direct?  Thanks. HP


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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 22:27:23 EST
From: "Brian Karasick" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) On Thrift Store Shopping...

I figured there would be a whole range of response to my thrift
store post and I don't want to give the wrong impression.

Part of my problem is one of time.  I no longer have a lot of time to
spend record shopping as anyone who becomes a parent will
unfortunately find out..  I used to spend the better part of the
weekend "making the rounds" in all the stores here.  Also, the sort of
records I was interested in would never appear in a thrift store.
Whose parents would have had Pierre Henry, Conrad Schnitzler
or Residents records to give away to charity.  Believe me if there
was any chance I would find these sort of things in a thrift store
I'd have tried it out long ago. It's really with the exotica stuff
that shopping for used records has changed. I'm absolutely certain
that the records, at least the exotica ones I pick up at my favourite
store were most likely bought at a garage sale or thrift shop by the
owner. He has to take the time to shop and also maintain a store but
this is not unique to records and is much the same for just about
anything collectible, unfortunately. Of course a huge number of used
record stores I once knew are no longer in business and most that
remain no longer buy much vinyl as they don't sell a whole lot. There
was a time you could find Pierre Henry or Conrad Schnitzler records
in used stores and often very cheaply too but I don't expect to ever
find much more of the obscure non-exotica vinyl I want as the places
to look are fewer and fewer with each passing day.

But in response to Kevin's comment on attitude and expectations, I
have to say I've spent a lot of time in some very questionable places
that many would never dare go, so it's really not that. Remember I'm
the one that told the list that Coney Island, NY was just about the
most fascinating place I ever visited!  It's simply about shopping in
a store that clearly isn't a happy place to be in. To have to see
the misery on the faces of the people that HAVE to shop there really
doesn't do a whole lot for me. And the way I see it, if the
experience isn't enjoyable why do it! But again I say to each his or
her own...

Brian Karasick
Physical Planner
McGill University
Montreal, Canada


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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 20:17:41 -0700
From: "Ron Grandia" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) On Thrift Store Shopping...

Myself I don't like antique stores.  If they've got records, I might make
my way back to them but all the time I'm thinking "Don't knock anything
over".
And talk about being stared at!  At least at a thrift store, when you pick
something up, nobody's looking down their nose at you wondering if you know
what you just picked up.

The thing that bothers me about antique stores is the fact dealers RARELY
have a clue about how to price a record. to make matters wors, every time
I pick up a record, they want to tell me how "rare" and "valuable" it is.

I have to agree that some thrift stores are pretty sad places, but the good
ones are
like cathederals to me.



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Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 05:22:06 PDT
From: "keir keightley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Billy May Live!

Last night I witnessed something I never dreamed I would ever
experience:  "In A Persian Garden", LIVE!.  I travelled to Edinburgh to
see the 80-something maestro May and the BBC big band, along with a
Sinatra wannabe vocalist, and was not disappointed.  Tons of stuff from
his 50s Capitol LPs, and 29 (!) musicians on stage, including massive
percussion, harpist, and live hi-fi effects.  In fact, in introducing
"Persian Garden", Billy said he made the arrangement because "Capitol
were experimenting with high fidelity in those days and wanted something
with lots of different instruments".  Ah, live exotica heaven...

From BossaNovaVille,
Keir

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Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 14:49:30 +0100
From: Hugh Petfield <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Thrift finds - postscript

I forgot to list one particularly good find:
On RCA Camden,  1971,
Peter Nero plays a salute to Herb Alpert & the TJB
I expected this to be rather tacky covers, but it is
extremely well-thought-through.  Great arrangements,
sleeve deliberately like one of Herb's own, and a
tribute from Herb on the sleeve.  I am now looking
for more of Mr Nero's work.  Anyone recommend
anything especially?

Hugh.




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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 15:27:37 +0100
From: Peter Hipwell <[e-mail]>
Subject: [Brian Karasick: Re: (exotica) On Thrift Store Shopping...]

> From: "Brian Karasick" <[e-mail]>
>
> weekend "making the rounds" in all the stores here.  Also, the sort of
> records I was interested in would never appear in a thrift store.
> Whose parents would have had Pierre Henry, Conrad Schnitzler
> or Residents records to give away to charity.  Believe me if there

I got my copies of "Messe Pour Le Temps Present" and "Duck Stab/Buster
and Glen" at charity shops.



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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 98 11:24:00 -0500
From: recliner <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) On Thrift Store Shopping...

>
>I say this all for the simple reason that shopping for used records is
>something I've been doing for nearly 25 years and I've spent a
>lot of my free time doing it.

I would have never thought it humanly possible to have bought records for
this long and to never have gone into a thrift shop!!?? That's one for
the record books (no pun intended).

It made me think back on my own record buying past. I'm proud to say that
my first record purchase was at a church sale. I was 6 and the record was
Herb Alpert's Lonely Bull, so I guess I've been doing this
'exotica'/thrift thing  a lot longer than I had previously thought.

I don't think anyone has brought this up, it may be a touchy subject but,
I get a feeling that those who distain Thrift stores just might have a
higher income than the average thrifter. I myself suffer from "starving
artist syndrome". I purposefully live in underemployment and this make
thrift shopping a necessity.
I guess I'm just really wondering what a demographics of this list might
reveal.

Frank


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Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 09:11:19 PDT
From: "Ben Waugh" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Thrift finds - postscript

Hugh asked:

>  I am now looking
>for more of Mr Nero's work.  Anyone recommend
>anything especially?

Yes: Hits from Hair to Hollywood (Columbia CS 9907), on which Mr Nero
tries his hands at the moog. This lp also includes Bob Rosengarden on
quica, police whistle and drums (which provide "the only sound on 'The
Windmills of Your Mind' not created by the synthesizer.").


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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 16:27:27 +0200
From: Johan Dada Vis <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re: More FAQing Questions

[e-mail] wrote:

>1) a list of web/internet sources

    several sites, including my own, have lists of links

>3) A list of beginner's comps; ie: easy to find starter kits for the new
>exoticat-

    i'm working on such a page, stay tuned.

>7) A list of non-internet resources, like books, movies, radio shows, TV shows,
>magazines,

    Vik's Lounge has a big and impressive page with books & magazines.

        Johan Dada Vis

        [e-mail]

        "Dada'quariums Exotica": http://bewoner.dma.be/Dada/

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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 19:28:38 +0200
From: Johan Dada Vis <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re: Anyone for a FAQ?

Ross Orr <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Q: Do people really LIKE this obviously awful music?

    the use of the term "obviously awful" is not exactly diplomatic,
    sounds patronizing and promotes prejudice, in my opinion.
    i'd try to find something more neutral, maybe

    "why do they like this music?" ... or ...
    "what is there to discover in this odd genre?"

    otherwise nice work!

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Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 10:32:13 PDT
From: "Ben Waugh" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Thrift shopping (and question)

Some of the posts on thrift shop funk were interesting. I have from time
to time not been unaware of a slight twinge of melancholy when stepping
through the thriftdoor. Unchecked, it can develop into a vague nausea or
shame. I say this because I suspect that I am tacitly harrowed by all of
those less than tenderly heaped tribes of garments and objects, no
longer under the radiant gaze of publicity, picked over by pensioners
and the poor who have no choice. A sense of the perverse creeps over me:
Existence as a calculated rhythm of consumption and disposal. I look at
all this stuff, blurred into a single force and stripped from the
context of the lives and the world it expressed and defined and think,
at some level, these things fail us; I will die. The clothes-hamper
staleness of these places is the stink of dead souls. So, Vergil in the
Underworld of consumer society.
Ah, black coffee.

Anyway, the question is: does anyone know if the Disney (;) lp: The
Enchanted Tiki Room has ever made it to disc? I found the lp yesterday
and took it to friend's place to play (turntabe still dead) and it is
wonderful, though a slight bit crackley.


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Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 13:37:48 -0400
From: cheryl <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Playlist For Space Bop, August 2

"Space Bop" can be heard every Sunday at 4pm on CKUT 90.3 FM in
Montreal, Canada, and is hosted by Brian and Cheryl.  Space Bop features
music ranging from Space-Age Bachelor Pad to Space The Final Frontier!
Comments & questions welcome.

August 2 - The Exotic Moog

Perrey & Kingsley:  Winchester Cathedral  "The Essential Perrey &
Kingsley"

Jean-Jacques Perrey:  Moog Indigo  "Moog Indigo"

Richard Sear:  Love Child  "The Copper Plated Integrated Circuit"

Mort Garson:  Aquarius  "Electronic Hair Pieces"

Jean-Jacques Perrey:  Hello Dolly  "Moog Indigo"

Enoch Light & The Light Brigade:  Bond Street  "Spaced Out"

Richard Hayman:  Peanut Vendor  "Genuine Electric Latin Love Machine"

Gershon Kingsley:  Bei Mir Bistu Shein  "First Moog Quartet"

Gershon Kingsley:  For Alisse Beethoven  "Music To Moog By"

Sy Mann:  Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer  "Switched on Xmas"

Gershon Kingsley:  Twinkle Twinkle  "Music To Moog By"

Perrey & Kingsley:   Strangers In The Night  "Essential Perrey &
Kingsley"

Gershon Kingsley:  Popcorn  "First Moog Quartet"

Perrey & Kingsley:  Mas Que Nada  "Essential Perrey & Kingsley"

Jean-Jacques Perrey:  E.V.A.  "Moog Indigo"

Bobby Setter's Cash & Carry:  Tchip Tchip  "Dancing at the
Moog-O-Theque"

Perrey & Kingsley:  Unidentified Flying Object  "Essential Perrey &
Kingsley"

The Bad Examples:  Papeete  "The River, The Night, The Moon, Temptation
And You"

Dimitri From Paris:  Le Moogy Reggae  "Sacre Bleu"


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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:00:51 +0000
From: "Giovanni Berti" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Richard Hell's Blank Generation

>  "Brian Karasick" <[e-mail]> wrote:
> I still remember the shock at
> finding out only a few years back that Richard Hell's "Blank
> Generation" was a re-written beat jazz song adapted, very artfully to
> another generation.

I'm shocked! Can anybody recall what's the original song
covered/adapted by R. Hell?
Thank you
Gionni Paludi


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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:00:51 +0000
From: "Giovanni Berti" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Italy, too!

on last exotica-digest "Br. Cleve" <[e-mail]> wrote to an
aspiring dutch listmember (the guy from "Basta"):
> There are around 400 people on that list, including folks from Sweden,
> Germany, South Africa, Japan, Canada, England, Holland and the U.S.

Hey! There's Italy too, even if I know of only two listmembers from
our beloved land of erotica exotica (the other guy being mostly a
lurker: ciao Andrea!).
We now can start sort of an international rollcall. Are there
people from other countries (apart those mentioned by brother plus
Italy) in this list? Where are you from?
Alohaderci
Gionni Paludi


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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:32:36 +0000
From: "Giovanni Berti" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Las Vegas Grind is Grand

> [e-mail] (Stephen Funk) wrote:
> Okay, what's the deal with the "Las Vegas Grind" CDs?
> Saw these for the first time at the local record shoppe in the
> "Lounge" section. Thought I remembered some discussion about them on
> this list, but couldn't remember the gist of it.

> and
> "Michael Bennet" <[e-mail]> (Hi, Michael!) wrote:
> Any recommendations for which of the three CD volumes of this comp
> (Las Vegas Grind) to start with?

I think reference is made to one my previous posting.
On Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:35:18 +0000 (hey, t'was me birds' day!),
I ([e-mail]) wrote on "Subject: (exotica) comps on
strip label":

> Someone else had written:
> > > Allan recommended Chester get "Jungle Exotica" - I wouldn't
> > > recommend this to anyone unless you really know that they'd
> > > like that very primitive RAW sound.  I'm not sure you'd want
> > > to start of a "beginner" with this stuff - his mind needs a while
> > > to be s-lo-w-l-y twisted......
> > > While this stuff on the Strip label is fun, you're not going be
> > > giving these discs heavy rotation once the novelty of the
> > > tunes wears off.  For the most part these are very boring
> > > arrangements, a lot of them bordering on tedious (esp. the
> > > "Jungle" stuff).
>
> and:
> > I just can't agree, as the Strip Records discs have not left my cd player
> > since I bought them. Yes, the tunes are raw, but also lively &
> > immediate...it is not polite music! The tracks on Las Vegas Grind & Jungle
> > Exotica sound like they were recorded in one take with no time for that
> > fancy studio/audio trickery that seems to wow so many.

Then I wrote:
> Gee! Those comps on Strip (heading from Crypt in Germany), Las Vegas
> Grind (voll. 1-5) and Jungle Exotica (vol. 1-2), plus other sequels
> like Frolic Diner (Romulan UFO) or single issues like "Forbidden City
> Dog Food", are SHEER GENIUS to me. REALLY THEY ARE SEMINAL, I do
> thinks. They're raw & primitive, that's true, but they're NOT garage
> punk; it's 100% FUN, with straight exotic attitude. That's what
> actually lead me to explore the classic exotic music. Now I know
> more, and love also other things, but Las Vegas Grind is the record
> that started it all for me. I don't think fans of exotica should
> dislike them and just refer to them as "trash": that's just what I
> like about them records and - BTW - isn't that "trash" what  you
> find in thrift stores and garage sales for a dollar?
>
> Anyway, to understand how these records are grand and how
> they were made just listen to the studio dialogue between Louie and
> one of his recording artist in vol. 2 (vinyl issue) of Las Vegas Grind (a.k.a.
> "Louie's Limbo Lounge").
>
> Anyone else?
> Gionni Paludi

Still I think these records are GRAND and should find place in very
exotica listmember discotheque. As I read you want to go for the cd
format, I would recommend to start with vol. 1, and buy voll. 2 +
3 the very next day. I'd go for the vinyl issue, though: pictures of
naked go go dancers are bigger!
Attention: vol. 5 of LVG and vol. 3 of Jungle Exotica came out with a
lot of bonus tracks (not included in the vinyl edition) in the cd
issue. You'll find complete tracklistings in the german Crypt
website.
Go for them all!
Gionni Paludi


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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 19:36:00 +0100
From: Peter Hipwell <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Thrift shopping (and question)

> From: "Ben Waugh" <[e-mail]>
>
> Some of the posts on thrift shop funk were interesting. I have from time
> to time not been unaware of a slight twinge of melancholy when stepping
> through the thriftdoor. Unchecked, it can develop into a vague nausea or
> shame. I say this because I suspect that I am tacitly harrowed by all of
> those less than tenderly heaped tribes of garments and objects, no
> longer under the radiant gaze of publicity, picked over by pensioners
> and the poor who have no choice. A sense of the perverse creeps over me:
> Existence as a calculated rhythm of consumption and disposal. I look at
> all this stuff, blurred into a single force and stripped from the
> context of the lives and the world it expressed and defined and think,
> at some level, these things fail us; I will die. The clothes-hamper
> staleness of these places is the stink of dead souls. So, Vergil in the
> Underworld of consumer society.
> Ah, black coffee.

You know, it's posts like this, along with some previous ones, that
make me think there may be a touch of difference between N. American
"thrifts" and British charity shops. In my experience, charity shops
are generally INTIMIDATINGLY clean, brightly lit, and neatly laid
out. Rather than having to scrape my hands clean afterwards, I often
start to sneeze with my pot-pourri allergy, I feel a horrible
itchiness as though I had been covered with Body Shop "Avocado,
Pumicestone and Domestos Pore-Grubbing Gel" then squeaked over with one
of those rubber-bladed windscreen wiper thingies, and I start to pine
for the hideous squalor that is the interior of an operating theatre.



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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 15:13:52 -0400
From: "m.ace" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Richard Hell's Blank Generation

> > I still remember the shock at
> > finding out only a few years back that Richard Hell's "Blank
> > Generation" was a re-written beat jazz song adapted, very artfully
to
> > another generation.
>
> I'm shocked! Can anybody recall what's the original song
> covered/adapted by R. Hell?
> Thank you
> Gionni Paludi

You're shocked already? Sit down and have the smelling salts handy --
the original was authored by Rod McKuen. It is "The Beat Generation"
(Brunswick single), credited to Bob McFadden & Dor. According to the
booklet in the Rhino "Beat Generation" cd box set, Bob McFadden *was*
McKuen. The song is pretty much an exploit-the-cliches kind of thing.
The melody and chord structure is similar, but not exactly the same as
Hell's version. Similar sort of rhythm -- the resemblance is heaviest
in the chorus. But Hell clearly was taking off from it. "Blank
Generation" having been one of my punk favorites for years, I was also
very shocked to learn this.

It was recorded for the film, "The Beat Generation" (1959, also
released as "This Rebel Age") an Albert Zugsmith production with a cast
including: Mamie Van Doren, Jackie Coogan (Uncle Fester!), Jim Mitchum,
Charles Chaplin Jr, Vampira, Steve Cochran, Ray Danton, Maxie
Rosenbloom, William Schallert (Patty Duke's dad), Fay Spain, Irish
McCalla, Grabowski, Louis Armstrong & his band and the proverbial many,
many more.

m.ace  [e-mail]
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Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 13:17:05 PDT
From: "Ben Waugh" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Richard Hell's Blank Generation

Si:

"The Beat Generation," by Bob McFadden and Dor.



>I'm shocked! Can anybody recall what's the original song
>covered/adapted by R. Hell?
>Thank you
>Gionni Paludi


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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 17:13:49 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:  (exotica) Thrift finds - postscript

Peter Nero does a good version of Young Hold Unlimited's "Soulful Strut" on
one of his LP's and there are two or three other good trax on it as well...AND
it is standard thrift shop fare....Jimmy


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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 17:14:54 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:  (exotica) Thrift finds - postscript

More on Nero---his arrogant facial expression on the cover of the previously
mentioned  LP is surprisingly repulsive


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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 17:20:03 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) "Sound Gallery" curators' other releases?

I'm sure most on the list are familiar with the work of "curators" Martin
Green and Patrick Whitaker, who brought us both volumes of "The Sound Gallery"
and the fantastic "The Sound Spectrum." Their new release is "Erotica Italia,"
which collects themes from '60s softcore Italian films.

But what I'm wondering is, has anyone heard of their other two releases listed
in the "Erotica" liner notes: "Cinema 100" and/or "Movie Grooves"?

What's on them? Are they in the same vein as the other albums? And, perhaps
most importantly, where on Earth can I *find* these discs?

- --Rod


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Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 21:05:44 -0400
From: Nat Kone <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Thrift shopping (and question)

At 07:36 PM 02/08/98 +0100, Peter Hipwell wrote:

>You know, it's posts like this, along with some previous ones, that
>make me think there may be a touch of difference between N. American
>"thrifts" and British charity shops.

I bet there are lots of differences.  For instance, at a North American
thrift store, nobody stops for tea.  (Well, maybe in Victoria B.C. but I'm
not certain.)  And speaking of tea, last time I went to a thrift store -
which I usually refer to by name, either the Goodwill or the Sally Ann - I
looked high and low for a tea cosy but alas no luck.
In truth, I have been to some clean, neat, well organized thrift stores but
they're few and far between and when I walk in to places like that, I
usually think I'm in the wrong place.
However, there was something else in your post that for me pointed out the
really huge gap between our two (or three or four) cultures.


> then squeaked over with one of those rubber-bladed windscreen wiper
thingies,

"rubber-bladed windscreen wiper thingies".

Clearly your street corners are not overrun by rubber-bladed windscreen
wiper thingy-wielding street youth who extort money from motorists by
trying to clean their windshields with their rubber-bladed wiper thingies.
If you had experienced such a phenomenon, then you would know that those
thingies are called "squeegees".
If you lived in Toronto in fact, you would be in the middle of the SQUEEGIE
WAR ZONE with local politicians and right-wing tabloids - inspired by
similar British tabloids - calling for the extermination of the "squeegee
kids".

And here all this time, I thought that as a Canadian, I was acting as a
bridge between the British and the Americans on the list here.

It's kind of sad to find myself relating more to the Yanks on this issue.

Of course, here in Canada, if you get to the thrift store as they open, you
do get at the bargains first but on the other hand, they make you stand for
"God Save the Queen".  I tried to buy an Esquivel record once while the
anthem was still playing. They took the record from me as if to ring it up
but then they wouldn't give it back.

I'll never try that again.

Nat



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