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exotica-digest         Thursday, May 14 1998         Volume 02 : Number 109



In This Digest:

Re: (exotica) After The Fox/The Exotic Moods Of Les Baxter
RE: (exotica) Double LPs:  sides 1/4 &2/3
RE: (exotica) Double LPs:  sides 1/4 &2/3
(exotica) Early Esquivel movie
(exotica) Formats & Doubles
Re: (exotica) Tretchikoff Styling...
Re: (exotica) Ayi-yi-yi
Re: (exotica) Formats & Speed
Re: (exotica) Formats and Speed
(exotica) Tretchikoff Styling...
Re: (exotica) Formats & Speed
Re: (exotica) Formats & Doubles
Re: (exotica) Formats & Speed
(exotica) format-speed 16 RPM
Re: (exotica) Double LPs: sides 1/4 &2/3
(exotica) Galt McDermot
Re: (exotica) Formats & Speed
RE: (exotica) Formats & Doubles
Re: (exotica) Double LPs: sides 1/4 &2/3
Re: (exotica) Formats & Speed
RE: (exotica) Formats & Speed
Re: (exotica) Formats & Speed
Re: (exotica) Formats & Speed
(exotica) Cat fights on record
re: (exotica) Les Baxter
Re: (exotica) Ayi-yi-yi
Re: (exotica) Early Esquivel movie
(exotica) Edmundo Ros
(exotica) Re: Wtd: BILLY MURE Supersonic 1&2
(exotica) Shipping damage and packaging
Re[2]: (exotica) Formats & Speed
Re: (exotica) Shipping damage and packaging
Re: (exotica) Ayi-yi-yi
Re: (exotica) After The Fox/The Exotic Moods Of Les Baxter
(exotica) LPs, 1/4 & 2/3
Re: (exotica) Formats & Doubles

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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 21:48:50 EDT
From: BasicHip <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) After The Fox/The Exotic Moods Of Les Baxter

I'm not a Bacharach fanatic at all, but I do enjoy mid sixties MOVIE
SOUNDTRACKS of this type in a big, big way and this score gives me everything
I want and more.

Interesting this came up as i just mailed a sealed original across the country
to a guy that was looking all over for it and the new CD just would not do.

I like that in a collector.







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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 18:08:14 +0000
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Subject: RE: (exotica) Double LPs:  sides 1/4 &2/3

At 09:25 PM 5/13/98 +0100, Hugh wrote:
>I've only ever seen double 12" albums - did they
>ever issue double 10" albums in the 50's?

Curious.  Never seen them.  Now, 45's were often issued that way, but
don't recall seeing the 10 inchers in that format.

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Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 18:11:21 -1000
From: [e-mail] (Stephen Funk)
Subject: RE: (exotica) Double LPs:  sides 1/4 &2/3

>At 09:25 PM 5/13/98 +0100, Hugh wrote:
>>I've only ever seen double 12" albums - did they
>>ever issue double 10" albums in the 50's?

I'll have to double check, or maybe someone knows for sure...

I thought I may have read that Frank Sinatra's "Songs for Young Lovers" and
"Swing Easy" was issued as a double 10" in the early 50s on Capitol
Records...

Unsure,
Steve

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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 00:59:57 PDT
From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Early Esquivel movie

Vic Rugh on the list found another page on the early Esquivel movie

http://azteca-films.com/pelicula/LaLoll_A.htm
It's the same only different, this one's got a jpeg with Juan and a
girl.

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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 11:19:50 +0000
From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Formats & Doubles

The reason, why there might not be any Double 10" is possibly because it
doesn't make so much sense. You go on a 10" if you want to publish
something that has less music than a regular LP. If you want to release
more than a 10" you'd probably go on 12" and not on Double 10". Of
course that doesn't mean that there couldn't be any artist who did it as
a concept gag, so the double 10", if one day somebody will find it, will
most likely be a record from the 80s. But speaking of formats:

I own 5 different sizes of Vinyl and I'm not talking of "shape"-records.
In addition to the usual 7", 10" and 12" I have a tiny little single
slightly bigger than a CD by a British punk group called "Squeeze". And
then there is a record from Japan  that is about 8 & a half inch. I
don't know whose music is on it, though, because the only Latin letters
on it say "Kurichan Records" and that's probably the label.

But these two are the only different sized records I've ever seen. I
heard there are records bigger than 12". Can anybody confirm that?

MO



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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 03:42:43 -0600
From: Jill Mingo <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Tretchikoff Styling...

At 13:08 13/05/98 PDT, you wrote:
>
>Accidentally, I swear, I happened to flip past the terrible Joe Pesci
>film _Jimmy Hollywood_ the other night, and what was hanging on his
>apartment wall...? Yup, the one from the first Sound Gallery CD, I
>think.  I guess at least the set designer had taste....

Actually, that picture turns up in many a British 60s flick. I have seen it
so many times now, I've lost count. And yes, it still turns up in flicks
today. Weird or what?

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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 03:44:41 -0600
From: Jill Mingo <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Ayi-yi-yi

>     When Beach Boy Mike Love suggested the collaboration,
>Hernandez jumped at the chance. ``It made the album all that
>much better for us. It was the first time a group like that
>asked us to record with them,'' he said.

Figures it would be Mike Love's idea. And apparently it was him that refused
to work with Sean O'Hagen of the High Llamas as producer of the next Beach
Boys LP. You've gotta "love" this guy. NOT.

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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 03:04:56 PDT
From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Formats & Speed

What is the format most common for classical works on 78 rpm? 14"?

I have a swedish 78 that is maybe 8". It contains orient-influenced
dance music from the 30s. I like that format. Doesnt see it that often.

Does anybody ever see LPs in 16 rpm? my father has a nice one from, i
believe, the early 60s called Three Tenors with a cover by Andy Warhol,
and I think its the only one I've seen, which is strange because several
of my vintage recordplayers can take that speed. So it had to be a
format that lasted a while..

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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 03:51:37 PDT
From: "Magnus Sandberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Formats and Speed

called Three Tenors with a cover by Andy Warhol

Ha ha ha! A mistake. "trombones by three" is the correct name.

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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 13:12:14 +0100
From: Peter Hipwell <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Tretchikoff Styling...

> Accidentally, I swear, I happened to flip past the terrible Joe Pesci
> film _Jimmy Hollywood_ the other night, and what was hanging on his
> apartment wall...? Yup, the one from the first Sound Gallery CD, I
> think.  I guess at least the set designer had taste....
>

Dozens of people will be thrilled to know that you can also see it in
the background in the models' flat in "Carry On Loving", in its native
context and era. I wasn't watching that film accidentally.



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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 08:56:25 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Hess Jeffery)
Subject: Re: (exotica) Formats & Speed

I have a couple 5"s, but there is no way you play them w/out rejecting. I
also have one of those gigantic records they used to use for radio
programs.  I think those gigantic records play from the inner groove
outwards, I could be wrong.


Jeff

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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 06:16:05 +0000
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Subject: Re: (exotica) Formats & Doubles

At 11:19 AM 5/14/98 +0000, Moritz wrote:
>I heard there are records bigger than 12". Can anybody confirm that?

Yes. 16".  These are transcription discs, generally used for broadcast
stations.  They either feature programs or music libraries with "locked"
cuts (the grooves would self-intersect at the end of each cut).  Speed
was 33 1/3, but microgrooves were not used, so time per side was usually
15 minutes.  You need a turntable with the arm spaced appropriately to play
them. Judging from the discs I have seen, I would say they were produced
from the late 20s to the early 60s when reel to reel tape and higher
quality microgroove Lps replaced them for broadcast utility.  I have one
radio series from the 50s (The Tennessee Ernie Show), a shoe company
commercial on an
early blue Columbia one-sided disc and a music library disc:  I am always
looking for more.  Much of the music recorded for broadcast were not
available commercially, although some of it has seen the light of day
(Kenton, Nat King Cole). They are tough to find because they were exclusive to
radio stations and most abandoned them years ago to be recycled or worse (the
dump).
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 06:30:14 +0000
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Subject: Re: (exotica) Formats & Speed

At 03:04 AM 5/14/98 PDT, Magnus wrote:
>Does anybody ever see LPs in 16 rpm?

I found one that proclaimed "More than hour of music."  Of course,
music at 16rpm is pretty low-fidelity.

I decided to get rid of that record because I don't have a 16 rpm
turntable anymore!  Drats.

>So it had to be a
>format that lasted a while..

Music at 16rpm is unusual.  Generally it was used for talking records because
the low frequency response was acceptable for the small bandwidth of human
speech.

When I was a kid I got a 7 inch of Robert Louis Stevenson's "A Children's
Garden of Verse."  When I put it on our Grundig, it just played forever!

Byron

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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 07:52:34 PDT
From: "keir keightley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) format-speed 16 RPM

I have a great 16 RPM 12" from Vox, _'Round the World, 'Round the Clock_
(1957)...well, the cover and liner notes are great, 'cause I've never
actually heard it properly ... The concept of the cross-promo with Pan
American is that just as jet flight will shorten the trip around the
world, so too will the rise of 16 RPM as the new speed standard allow
hours of music from around the world to be contained on a single LP...
you get the picture - and the cover illustration is a kind of Dali meets
Magritte, with the the world and a clock connected by a twisted
parabola, with clouds floating against a black outer space...

From BossaNovaVille,
Keir

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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 09:39:32 +0100
From: "Charles Moseley"<[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Double LPs: sides 1/4 &2/3

I had a friend who, when he got hold of his parents 1969 Grundig turntable
(which had a stacking autochanger), went out and bought a roll of felt. He
cut out 7" circles of felt and glued these to the b-sides of all his 7"
singles using mastick (very powerful glue) so as to protect them as they
fell on each other. Clearly this was a perfect solution because none of his
records were ever damaged.

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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 10:48:26 +0100
From: "Charles Moseley"<[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Galt McDermot

Does anybody know which Galt McDermot soundtrack featured the track 'Ripped
Open by Metal Explosions'? And can anyone recommend other McDermot
soundtracks? (Other than Hair). I recently found 'Martines Movie - Woman is
Sweeter' by Galt - it is a superb soundtrack (1972 ish) and features
'space' sampled by Bustah Rhymes for WooHah.

Thanks



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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 11:37:51 +0100
From: "Charles Moseley"<[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Formats & Speed

What about records that play from the inside out, i.e., the groove is cut
from the middle and the needle will eventually fall off the edge of the
record?

Or double grooved records (I only have one - Pop Musik by M) - Two grooves
lie directly next to each other and cover one side. If you pick up the
needle and put it down again it may fall into either groove and play either
track.

I heard of a horse-racing record with 6 grooves lying alongside each other.
Each groove contains commentary for a horse race but each race ends with a
different winner. Punters each bet on a horse 1,2,3,4,5 or 6 and then put
the needle down to listen to the race - Each horse has a 1in6 chance of
winning (unless, like my records, there are bits of crap stuck in the
grooves which would heavily favour certain outcomes).

I also have a 41/2" Flinstones 78rpm record somewhere.




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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 07:58:07 -0400
From: "Brian Phillips" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) Formats & Doubles

There were V-discs I have seen that were too big to fit on any turntable I
have ever owned.  I am guessing that they were 14".

> But these two are the only different sized records I've ever seen. I
> heard there are records bigger than 12". Can anybody confirm that?



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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 15:41:51 +0100
From: "Charles Moseley"<[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Double LPs: sides 1/4 &2/3

I had a friend who, when he got hold of his parents 1969 Grundig turntable
(which had a stacking autochanger), went out and bought a roll of felt. He
cut out 7" circles of felt and glued these to the b-sides of all his 7"
singles using mastick (very powerful glue) so as to protect them as they
fell on each other. Clearly this was a perfect solution because none of his
records were ever damaged.

Charlie




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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 15:42:11 +0100
From: "Charles Moseley"<[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Formats & Speed

What about records that play from the inside out, i.e., the groove is cut
from the middle and the needle will eventually fall off the edge of the
record?

Or double grooved records (I only have one - Pop Musik by M) - Two grooves
lie directly next to each other and cover one side. If you pick up the
needle and put it down again it may fall into either groove and play either
track.

I heard of a horse-racing record with 6 grooves lying alongside each other.
Each groove contains commentary for a horse race but each race ends with a
different winner. Punters each bet on a horse 1,2,3,4,5 or 6 and then put
the needle down to listen to the race - Each horse has a 1in6 chance of
winning (unless, like my records, there are bits of crap stuck in the
grooves which would heavily favour certain outcomes).

I also have a 41/2" Flinstones 78rpm record somewhere.




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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 11:17:31 -0400
From: "Brian Phillips" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) Formats & Speed

> I also have a 41/2" Flinstones 78rpm record somewhere.

There is a record like this I have on my site:
http://www.mindspring.com/~hagar/g.html


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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 07:38:46 +0000
From: "Tim @ World Wide Wax" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Formats & Speed

> I heard of a horse-racing record with 6 grooves lying alongside each
> other. Each groove contains commentary for a horse race but each
> race ends with a different winner. Punters each bet on a horse
> 1,2,3,4,5 or 6 and then put the needle down to listen to the race -
> Each horse has a 1in6 chance of winning (unless, like my records,
> there are bits of crap stuck in the grooves which would heavily
> favour certain outcomes).

I have a Roulette LP that was produced by various casinos in Vegas in
1974.  One side has instructions and a history of roulette, the other
has 38 (!) tracks (00, 0, and 1 to 36).  With so many tracks, the
needle crosses the record in about 10 seconds.  Fun to play with!  It
is in my current exotica auction:

http://www.worldwidewax.com/xx2/




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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 17:47:38 +0000
From: Moritz R <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Formats & Speed

The grandpa of a former girlfriend had a unique cassette system, I think
it was by Telefunken (Germany): It was cassettes the size of two
ordinary 8-track-cassettes and had red plastic tape, but not a magnetic
tape: The tape had grooves and was played with a needle. On the tape
were, I think, 8 parallel tracks, that you could switch, just like the
8-track cassettes. I thinkm they were also endless tapes.
Neither ever seen another one nor one of these tapes. I wish I knew at
least how the system was called.

MO



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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 11:14:25 -0500 (CDT)
From: [e-mail] (Mimi Mayer)
Subject: (exotica) Cat fights on record

No, this is not about dueling divas.

During a recent roadtrip, picked up "Cook's Tour of Stereo, Around the
World in Authentic 3-Dimensional Sound," (Cook Laboratories, 2004sd, no
date). I'd guess this 12-inch was recorded in the 50s, and liner notes
indicate it's one of three Cook's Labs hi-fi/stereo test records. Another
is "Cook's Tour of Hi Fidelity," blurbed as a "triple threat entertainment
treat" incorporating an "unabashed expose of the folklore of hi-fi." That
description flattens me with record lust!

"Cook's Tour" mixes music with gimmicky voiceovers and travel-oriented
sound effects: Ocean liner horns blast as "We head to Trinidad..." to hear
the Mighty Sparrow sing a calypso recorded live. Other ports of call: Spain
to hearCarlos Montoya and friends doing flamenco; Martinique biguine "Ce-on
meme" by Francisco et son groupe Mi-yo; Big Latin Band, "Frenesi" by Willie
Rodriguez; Giant Mexican Marimba by an unnamed group doing a sprightly
"Cielito Lindo"; Theater organ from Detroit; Dixieland Jazz from New
Orleans, etc., etc.

But the record's final band gets bizarre, BIZARRE, when the tour wraps up
with a visit to Salem, Mass., associated with witches and black cats. The
producer Emory Cook gives us three unendurable minutes of cats fighting,
credited to The South Salem Prowlers: howls, yowls, caterwauling, spitting,
screams, moans, grrs, hisses, yelps, and cries, recorded with such realism
that my normally comatose cats immediately hunkered down in battle stance.
I suppose this, um, happy interlude is intended to push your stereo's
treble/bass limits, and it does.

So what was the deal with Emory Cook/Cook Labs of 101 Second Street,
Stamford, Conn.? Did not find a reference on the Space Age Pop Standards
website (http://home.earthlink.net/~spaceagepop/index.htm)--but then,
"Cook's Tour" just ain't yer standard stereo test record.

Can any of you Exoticats enlighten me? Thanks in advance for any info.

MimiM




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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 09:43:43 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Jonathan M Perl)
Subject: re: (exotica) Les Baxter

>
>So the Exotic Moods cover everything up to 1960 - are there any Baxter
>compilations which continue with what he did in the sixties?
>
>Kenny Brockelstein

The only other Les Baxter on CD which I consider essential is 'Que Mango'
on Scamp.  It is a fantastic e/l -rock hybrid masterpiece from 1970 which
knocks me out every time.

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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 09:14:45 -0700
From: Steve Sando <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Ayi-yi-yi

>Figures it would be Mike Love's idea. And apparently it was him that refused
>to work with Sean O'Hagen of the High Llamas as producer of the next Beach
>Boys LP. You've gotta "love" this guy. NOT.

As someone who's more familiar with Mariachi music rather than Beach Boys
music, I can add Mariachi del Sol is extremely enthusiastic and medicore.
They generally play a very boring EZ ranchera sound but on their LP they
have an extended quasi-arty mariachi suite that must have appealed to the
Beach Boys.

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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 12:55:05 -0400
From: "Br. Cleve" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Early Esquivel movie

At 12:59 AM -0700 5/14/98, Magnus Sandberg wrote:
>Vic Rugh on the list found another page on the early Esquivel movie
>
>http://azteca-films.com/pelicula/LaLoll_A.htm
>It's the same only different, this one's got a jpeg with Juan and a
>girl.

That shot is from one of the lobby cards for the film. There's another one
that shows Esquivel conducting the band. He played a dual role in the film
: band leader for each of the rival university ensembles! A track from the
film is on the Mexican LP "Las Tandas de Garcia Esquivel"

br cleve




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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 18:16:05 +0100
From: Peter Hipwell <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Edmundo Ros

Hi Folks,

I just discovered an Edmundo Ros site, with partial discography, at:

http://users.skynet.be/sky70040/eroshp.htm

Perhaps this has been noted on the list before;  I don't remember if
it was, though. However, I simply had to post the following from the
site...

The Edmundo Ros Club

In 1951 Edmundo Ros bought a club in Regent Street, the Coconut Grove,
which was very popular during the war. The address, 100 Regent Street
was not quite right because the in-clubs at that time were in
Mayfair. Ros changed names, and when it was finally Edmundo Ros'
Dinner and Supper Club, the stream of the right people and the
Rolls-Royces turned there. Along came the BBC and the club became
world famous. Standards at the club were kept extremely
high. Edmundo's notebook included all the names of the British Royal
Family, the nobility, the counts, the pears and dukes. These people
and those mentioned in "Who's Who" could get membership in to the
club. The guests had also to be properly dressed. The Ladies coming
from the tea party in Buckingham Palace were not allowed to wear their
broad hats. When women began to wear trousers like men, Ros decided
not to accept them.

"Once a very well-known madame, the wife of Sir Cecil Hardwick,
tried to enter the club dressed in pants. My reception had their
orders, and she went to another night club very cross and hurt. She
told everybody what an idiot Edmundo Ros was! There was a newspaper
reporter listening and I got the biggest publicity you can think of::
a photo of her and the words: "Edmundo did not allow
in.....marvellous! " King Hussein of Jordan, a Latin music aficionado,
with his party was denied entrance because one of his party, film star
Peter O'Toole, was not properly dressed and did not accept the tie
offered to him."

Regular royal guests during the Club Era were Princess Margaret,
Monaco's Prince Rainier and Prince Bertil of Sweden.

The club had 24 musicians and 53 employees, one of which had polishing
the silver as his sole job. Ros says that all those details--you could
not smoke the pipe before twelve o'clock--made the difference, and it
was terribly important in England. The business was excellent until
1965 when gambling became legal in England. Ros noticed the difference
immediately in the takings and sold the club.



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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 12:59:10 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Rod)
Subject: (exotica) Re: Wtd: BILLY MURE Supersonic 1&2

Paul,

I received the two Billy Mure LP's today.  It's really disappointing to get
great LP's in the mail that you know left the seller in great shape, but
arrive damage due to the seller's packaging.  Both albums are bent on one
corner from the thin cardboard package.  Also, the "Supersonic II" lp came
out of the top of the cover so now it's split.  These lp's were probably
mint when they left you, but now they're not.  I'm still keeping them
'cause it took so long to find them.

I think you should probably ship all your lp's with the vinyl outside the
cover so the covers like most people do that I've bought from so they don't
split.  And I've learned my lesson to ask people to double their boxes
because the cardboard is just too thin to take the abuse of shipping.

What a drag.....

Rod Abernethy




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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 12:58:57 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Rod)
Subject: (exotica) Shipping damage and packaging

Surely, I can't be the only collector whose had problems this year with
damage to lp covers due to bad packaging.  I've had three packages in the
past month arrive with a dented in corners which always makes it's way to
the cover inside and guess what?  Mint goes downs to VG or less.  Has
anyone found a solution for the thin cardboard standard single package?
What's the best way of packaging and shipping?

Also, everyone please remember to ship lp's outside the covers.  I got one today
that wasn't and sure enough, it split the cover big time.

Thanks,

Rod






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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 18:37:51 UT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re[2]: (exotica) Formats & Speed

The only goofy record layout I have is the 100th release from ReR records. It's
a 7" with 50 locked tracks on each side.  Most are stupid noise, but some are
very funny and of course, conceptually it's incredible.

PeterR


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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 12:45:10 -0600
From: Lazlo Nibble <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Shipping damage and packaging

On Thu, May 14, 1998 at 12:58:57PM -0500, Rod wrote:

> Surely, I can't be the only collector whose had problems this year with
> damage to lp covers due to bad packaging.  I've had three packages in the
> past month arrive with a dented in corners which always makes it's way to
> the cover inside and guess what?  Mint goes downs to VG or less.  Has
> anyone found a solution for the thin cardboard standard single package?
> What's the best way of packaging and shipping?

I like the big cardboard boxes that my laserdiscs from Sight & Sound (used to)
come in.  They were pretty standard LP-sized boxes except that the part that
folded around the outside had about 1.5" of extra cardboard on each side,
which would absorb any corner damage in shipping.

- --
::: Lazlo ([e-mail]; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo)
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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 22:17:07 +0100
From: [e-mail] (Kenny Brockelstein)
Subject: Re: (exotica) Ayi-yi-yi

>Figures it would be Mike Love's idea. And apparently it was him that refused
>to work with Sean O'Hagen of the High Llamas as producer of the next Beach
>Boys LP. You've gotta "love" this guy. NOT.

Yes, it's more than likely Mike. From what I've heard from Sean O'Hagan,
Mike Love didn't so much openly refuse as just being terribly hostile
towards him, basically meaning "Get the fuck out of here, I won't be able
to control the group otherwise". Sean said something about how he wouldn't
like to be the one famous for killing the Beach Boys for good, so he chose
(or was rather forced) to abandon the project directly. Besides, he met
Brian Wilson, and Brian - apparently still part-time goofball - actually
didn't know who Sean was, despite the fact they had been introduced to
eachother earlier the same day!

Some Mike Love facts: He blocked the release of Smile, he blocked the
releases of Brian's 70's stuff (they are actually much better than the
officially released records!), he was behind blocking the 1988 re-release
of Pet Sounds and the Smile Sessions album (fearing that Brian would get
too much attention along with the release of his amazing soloalbum that
year), he was solely responsible for the three-year delay of the release of
the Pet Sounds Box Set - which is why it's so hypocritical of him to praise
the very same album in the promo film for the Box Set. Come on, admit
publicly you hate it, don't be such a chicken and backstab Brian privately
where noone can hear you!

I wonder, in the world of true Exotica, are there any examples of Mike
Love-ish controlfreaks who've tried to sabotage the works of more talented
musicians and artists?? Any Mephistofeles characters who have messed up the
works of Baxter, Denny, et al??


Kenny Brockelstein




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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 22:17:15 +0100
From: [e-mail] (Kenny Brockelstein)
Subject: Re: (exotica) After The Fox/The Exotic Moods Of Les Baxter

What made me so disappointed with ATF was that it sounds so...it's like,
with Bacharach's best stuff, soundtrack or not, you can literally hear he's
spent an extraordinary amount of time on the compositions, the arrangements
and the productions. With ATF, though, it all sounds like he wrote,
arranged and produced everything in one week or something. I think 'sloppy'
is the word.

I think Bacharach can make great soundtracks when he gets everything right
- - Lost Horizon in particular which is my favourite Bacharach record - he's
fantastic, but listening to ATF just sounded as throwaway as the word can
mean.

>in not just between those who like everything and those who don't but it's
>between those who buy this stuff on LP and those who buy the CD reissues
>and compilations.

I'm a CD-man myself. It's not really choice, rather it's the result of
having basically no thrift/2nd hand stores where I live so I'm kinda forced
to buy the  CD-reissues whether I like it or not...which is why I usually
need to read 100000+ recommendations on this list to be totally sure it's
something I really should spend the little money I have on.


Kenny Brockelstein




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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 18:11:23 -0400
From: Larry House <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) LPs, 1/4 & 2/3

Ah, memories...As a youngster, I remember my mother putting a BIG stack
of records, I mean 3" worth, on the automatic spindle all at once.  As
they finished playing and successive records dropped down on the
turntable, eventually the accumulated weight would result in the topmost
records not gripping the ones below and actually SLIDING, slowing down,
not spinning at 33 & 1/3 and generating weird variable slow motion sound
effects.  I don't know if that's exotic but it's certainly unusual -
maybe similar experiences inspired future dj's to develop their
"scratching" techniques.

Also, I believe that albums of 78's were issued in this alternating
format (1/6, 2/5, 3/4 for a three record set) as well as successively
sequenced (1/2, 3/4, 5/6) to accomodate differing 78 players that either
required one to stack and then flip, or came equipped with an automatic
jukebox-like feeder that flipped each record over in succession.  So
record labels had to issue these album sets in both formats.

I also once purchased a sealed copy of the Allman Brothers "At Fillmore
East"  that contained two copies of sides 1 and 4.  Does anyone out
there have one with two copies of sides 2 and 3?

Larry House.

"The great thing about standards is that there are so many to choose
from"



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Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 18:22:21 -0400
From: "telstar" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Formats & Doubles

Moritz typed:

> Of course that doesn't mean that there couldn't be any artist who did it
as
> a concept gag, so the double 10", if one day somebody will find it, will
> most likely be a record from the 80s.

In 1979 there was a double 10" American release of Joe Jackson's "Look
Sharp" (A & M Records SP-3666).

Other 10" doubles include a box set by the Virgin Prunes ("Heresie" INV.
0500 ) & a compilation of M-Squared label acts called "Entrave et
Etouffement - from Australia" (INV 0400). Both sets were released on
L'Invitation au Suicide label in France.

Allan.
        "You don't need to call it music, if the term shocks you." John Cage


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