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exotica-digest      Saturday, December 22 2001      Volume 02 : Number 1089



In This Digest:

Re: (exotica) Laurindo Almeida, A Man And A Woman
Re: (exotica) Laurindo Almeida, A Man And A Woman
(exotica) Retro Cocktail Hour
Re: (exotica) Laurindo Almeida, A Man And A Woman
Re: (exotica) JD and the Evils Dynamite band
Re: (exotica) Laurindo Almeida, A Man And A Woman
(exotica) MwM profiled in 12/21/01 Nashua Telegraph
(exotica) Playlist Martinis With Mancini 12/21/01
(exotica) Re: white goddess
Re: (exotica) Nelson Riddle & edible horse underwear OOPS!
Re: (exotica) Laurindo Almeida, A Man And A Woman
Re: (exotica) Laurindo Almeida, A Man And A Woman
(exotica) Playlist For Space Bop, December 23
Re: (exotica) Laurindo Almeida, A Man And A Woman
Re: (exotica) Laurindo Almeida, A Man And A Woman
Re: (exotica) Laurindo Almeida, A Man And A Woman
(exotica) zounds!
Re: (exotica) Laurindo Almeida, A Man And A Woman
Re: (exotica) Laurindo Almeida, A Man And A Woman
Re: (exotica) zounds!
Re: (exotica) Nelson Riddle & edible horse underwear OOPS!
Re: (exotica) zounds!
(exotica) My Heart will go on and no and on
Re: (exotica) Laurindo Almeida, A Man And A Woman
Re: (exotica) Laurindo Almeida, A Man And A Woman
(exotica) slightly exotic Xmas Stream
(exotica) Looking for vintage electronic music
Re: (exotica) Looking for vintage electronic music

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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 14:45:09 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Laurindo Almeida, A Man And A Woman

At 12:43 AM 12/21/01 -0800, crymad wrote:
>
>Groovy gets to be a bit tiresome after a while, though.  And it also is
>vulnerable to kitchy-ness.   Un-ironic listening is
>what I strive for.

That's an interesting statement.
It's probably in the ear of the behearer but I think I know what you mean.
Still maybe you could elaborate.
Some examples of each perhaps.

Personally I don't mind when groovy bleeds into kitsch.  I think that's
because I like to experience clear demonstrations of "ideas".
Like "we had the idea that throwing a little electric sitar into our big
band arrangement of this rock tune would make it a little hipper for the
kids".
We've had this discussion a thousand times before and I realize I don't
make very clear distinctions between kitsch, cheese and "irony".
But to me all those things imply a "failure" of some type.
One idea too many crowded into the arrangement.  Or an inappropriate cover.
Something that stands out as "out of place".
Trying a bit too hard.
Introducing elements that you can't quite control.

Easy listening has made me much more aware of "arranging" than I was
before.  And it's made me appreciate lush beautiful arranging much more.
Some of the stuff I'm thinking about here - Michel Legrand, some Francis
Lai, even some of those early seventies Andre Kostelanetz records produced
by Teo Macero - might be what you mean by "un-ironic listening".
Music where all the elements seem to come together.
But having become a fan of arranging, it's also given me an interest in
arranging ideas that don't quite work.
Music where some of the elements are out there on their own, trying - but
failing - to disappear inside the arrangement.

Anyway that's enough for a pre-Xmas rant.

Around here, irony is not dead.

AZ



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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 15:02:20 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Laurindo Almeida, A Man And A Woman

<< At 12:43 AM 12/21/01 -0800, crymad wrote:
>
>Groovy gets to be a bit tiresome after a while, though.  And it also is
>vulnerable to kitchy-ness.   Un-ironic listening is
>what I strive for. >>

So if there's irony in the music you stop listening? I don't get it. There's
really nothing wrong with seeing irony where none was meant to exist. In fact
it seems to be a sign of some sort of evolution in listening skills. And to
appreciate it and snicker at it simultaneously is not a bad thing is it? Does
it lessen the value of the music to perceive irony within it? Does it cheapen
you to listen to it? Not attacking you, but its all good. It took a long time
to get from "groovy" as a cliche to a definably "groovy" sound. It works for
me. When something is described as "groovy" in modern parlance applied to
music, I have a pretty good idea that there will be an unexpected mix of
elements I can expect to hear...ironically or not...My .02...Jimmy Botticelli



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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 14:21:37 -0600
From: "Darrell Brogdon" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Retro Cocktail Hour

The annual yuletide edition of The Retro Cocktail Hour is now up
and available for your RealAudio enjoyment!  It's two hours of
swingin' holiday cheer by Esquivel, The Three Suns, The Soulful
Strings, Les Baxter, the Randy van Horne Singers, The Blue
Hawaiians, Jamyz Bee and the Royal Jelly Orchestra and many,
many more.  You'll find Art Carney's nonsensical "Santa Claus and
the Doodle-Li-Boop"; Latin and bossa-flavored Christmas songs by
Billy May, Xavier Cugat and Marco Rizo; plus Nat King Cole's "The
Christmas Song".  Yule love it!

To hear The Retro Cocktail Hour on the web, just park your sleigh
at:

http://kanu.ku.edu/retro.html

Happy holidays to all!

Darrell Brogdon
The Retro Cocktail Hour
KANU FM 91.5
Saturday 7:00pm - 9:00pm
http://kanu.ku.edu/retro.html
Listen to The Retro Cocktail Hour at:
http://kanu.ku.edu/retro/retrolisten.htm


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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 20:42:30 +0000
From: Michael Jemmeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Laurindo Almeida, A Man And A Woman

clayton black wrote:
>
> I think that Laurindo Almeida is one of the great unsung (at least as long
> as I've been following it, which, in relative terms, is not so long) heroes
> of exotica (or easy listening, anyway).  I've got a scratchy old copy of
> "Viva Bossa Nova!" If it were in better shape, it would be on my turntable
> almost every day.  His version of Route 66 is my favorite (despite what I
> said on my last post about Nelson Riddle).  Unfortunately, I rarely see his
> albums anywhere, and I gather from the dust sleeves that he did a lot of
> classical albums as well, which may have been more of the source of his
> popularity, I don't know.

i love the sound of the classical guitar, and was about to recommend an
Almeida LP, but looking at the sleeve now, i see it's not him but Angel
Romero. anyway,  it's Claude Bolling's Concerto for Classic Guitar and
Jazz Piano. George Shearing, Shelly Manne and Ray Brown complete the
lineup. on EMI, 1980.

of the less groovy Almeida records, i have The Look of Love, which is
very nice. of other guitarists, what about Charlie Byrd? i've never seen
his records cheap.


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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 20:48:43 +0000
From: Michael Jemmeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) JD and the Evils Dynamite band

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> In a message dated 12/21/01 11:17:41 AM, [e-mail] writes:
>
> << Its on Soulfire records,  whats their other stuff like that, any of our
> resident funksters know? >>
>
> You have stumbled upon a pretty reliable label in the Desco style, often in
> the same mode as Groove Merchant or Late 6T's Blue Note/Prestige organ
> groove. With two  exceptions. One being the inability of modern record
> companies, no matter how pure of intention, to duplicate that analologue
> magic as mentioned by Basic Hip. But they come darn close. And two is the
> sensibility of today's guitarists. Many just play too "heavy" They can't seem
> to stay light like Benson, Pass et al. Poisoned by Power-Chords, these modern
> day purists are brainwashed from their years of frontal assault from the Guns
> & Roses/metal years. Hence the occasional bad stray into "rock" playing. But
> overall their aim is true and the funky 45's as Dustygroove calls 'em on Soul
> Fire are good and fonkay....Another reliable label for funky 45's is
> Jazzman...More Exotica-Latinova influences pop up on them...Hope that
> helps...Jimmy Botticelli

the Jazzman 45s are all reissues, and the sister label for new material
is Stark Reality (named after one of the sample-hunters holy grail
albums). can recommend the Dee Felice Trio 'Nightingale' and Eddie
Warner 'Poppy Fiddles' on Jazzman, and Little Barrie 'Shrug off love'
and Kahuna Kawetzmann's 'Go-Go Sitar' on Stark Reality. also the Cecil
Leuter on Jazzman is very good, but the track is on the 'Pop
Electronique' album.

the latest one on Jazzman looks interesting (Barbara Moore, i think) but
everywhere seems to be sold out. you can get them from the website
though (http://www.jazzmanrecords.co.uk)


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Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 04:17:24 -0400
From: clayton black <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Laurindo Almeida, A Man And A Woman

>
> Easy listening has made me much more aware of "arranging" than I was
> before.

Hear, hear! It's probably a sin to say so, but I've begun to pay more
attention to arranging than to musical prowess.  MIchael asked about Charlie
Byrd--I've got four or five of his albums, and I like them alright, but
there's nothing very exciting (to me) about the arrangements, so I hardly
ever listen to them.  It's the genius of arranging that makes it possible to
listen to thirty different versions of Baubles, Bangles and Beads (a
personal favorite) and like every one of them.  Of course, the song has to
be good to begin with, I don't deny that.  But I guess I don't find the
"chops" of any given performer more interesting than the arrangement of the
tune (with some notable exceptions--Jimmy Smith, for example, although here
the critical point may be style rather than technical skill).

Clayton



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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 17:32:10 -0500
From: "Domenic Ciccone" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) MwM profiled in 12/21/01 Nashua Telegraph

I'm posting this all over the place and can you blame me?

The program has just been featured on the cover of the Nashua Telegraph
Friday Encore entertainment section (circulation 26,000).
Please take a look at the ulr posted below, you may have to cut-and-paste it
into your web window since it is long. And after 3 days it may no longer be
available for viewing unless your a subscriber.
http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/Main.asp?SectionID=17&SubSectionID=327&Articl
eID=46646

You can find a copy on my web page: http://www.geocities.com/martinimancini/

The cover (not shown on the web) is a picture of the 2 WJUL studio
turntables. Above them are 3 LP's: "Swinin' Fling" by Alvino Rey, Brass and
Bamboo by "Tak Shindo" (given to me by Joe Slezik). And "I Swing For
You-Vicky Lane. The caption: "Take A Spin Back in Time". "Martinis with
Mancini", a morning radio program on WJUL, brings listeners back to the days
of lounge and bossa nova music."

Credit really goes to those on the exotica and pop noveau list who give me
tips on what to find and play. And those who "blazed the trail" and defined
the "exotica" format: Jack Diamond, Jimmy Boticelli, (how I found all of
you), Darrell Brogdon, Peter Lebeler and all the folks at Luxuriamusic.

After almost 3 years I'm still working on my radio DJ chops. But thanks to
those cool cats who passed on some music for the program. (You know who you
are) Even a square-middle-aged-white-boy from the suburbs can DJ a cool show
if he's got the right people behind him.

This is excellent press for "our kind of music" Why not sent a link to your
local public radio station and ask them why they don't have a program like
this? Remember: "squeaky wheel gets the grease" If you know say nothing,
then nothing will happen.


Thanks for reading!
Domenic Ciccone
"Martinis with Mancini" WJUL Lowell 91.5FM Friday's 6-9AM EST
http://www.geocities.com/martinimancini/ (show's redesigned web page)
http://wjul.cs.uml.edu/listen.html (On Real Audio)
http://wjul.cs.uml.edu/ (Station web page)


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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:41:45 -0500
From: "Domenic Ciccone" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Playlist Martinis With Mancini 12/21/01


Thanks for reading.


Domenic Ciccone
"Martinis with Mancini" WJUL Lowell 91.5FM Friday's 6-9AM EST
http://www.geocities.com/martinimancini/ (show's redesigned web page)
http://wjul.cs.uml.edu/listen.html (On Real Audio)
http://wjul.cs.uml.edu/ (Station web page)

December 21, 2001

Brief And Breezy, Henry Mancini
Little Girl Blue, Nina Simone
Moneypenny Goes For Broke, Cal Tjader
Winchester Cathedral, Petula Clark
Do Do Do, Moneymark
Moto Shag, April March
Bossa Antiqua, Paul Desmond
Who Can I Turn To, Astrud Gilberto
Mas Que Nada, Living Jazz, Phil Bodner
The One I Love Belongs To Somebody Else, Joe Williams/ Count Basie
Last Tango In Vegas, Cocktail Angst
Pink Panther Theme, Henry Mancini
Geneva, Mexicali Singers
Mucha Muchacha, Esquivel
Daddy, Pat Suzuki
Johnny Cool, Sammy Davis Jr
Walk On By, Dean Martin
Baubles Bangles And Beads, Frank Sinatra
3 Little Words, Mike Simpson
El Cacahuate, The Fur Ones
Whatever Lola Wants, Abbey Lane/ Tito Puente
Ola Nueva, Kahuna Kawentzmann
Theme From The "Tiki Wonder Hour", Combustible Edison
Love You Magic Spell Is Everywhere, Johnny Mathis
Staccato's Theme, Buddy Morrow
Ski Bunny, Sugar Twins
I Love Paris, Alvino Rey
Jingle Bells/ Sleigh Ride, Henry Mancini
Poinciana, Tak Shindo
Zero Gravity Mini Skirt, Seksu Roba
The Look Of Love, Sergio Mendes And Brasil '66
Chopsticks, Ferranti And Teicher
Sidewalk Blues, From Betty Page Danger Girl Comp
Sway, Dead Ringer
Playboy's Theme, Nelson Riddle
Kookie's Mad Mad, Ed Byrnes
The Carioca, Martin Denny
Walk On The Wild Side, Jimmy Smith
Le Jour Ovla Pluie Vienda, Gilbert Becaud
Blow Up, Herbie Hancock
Babylon I'm Coming, Piero Piccioni
Tanto Tempo, Bebel Gilberto (Peter Kruder Remix)
Mele Kalikimka, Blue Hawaiians
My Lucky, Elliott Easton Tiki Gods
Where Do I Begin, Shirley Bassey (Away Team Mix)
It Takes A Thief, Chaquito
The Coffee Song, Eydie Gorme
Tweet Tweet, Harry James
Baby Elephant Walk, Henry Mancini
Whistler On The Rocks, Eric Vanell
The Bullfighter, Ken Nordine
Sweet Cinnamon Punch, Tipsy
F.S.B., Le Hammond Inferno
Eden's Island, Eden Ahbez
Los Barbaros, Shorty Rogers Meets Tarzan
Funky Planet, Stereophonic Space Sounds Unlimited
Moon River, Henry Mancini





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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:54:27 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) Re: white goddess

In a message dated 12/20/2001 11:43:11 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<< (although
Frank Hunter's "White Goddess" is much more so now). >>

Now there's an album i'd like to see posted for downloads....hint, hint.......


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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 19:15:04 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Nelson Riddle & edible horse underwear OOPS!

In a message dated 12/21/2001 12:33:25 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<< that Bar None never

released the projected Genius/1968 double,  >>

Available, however, as a "limited release".


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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 19:49:10 -0800
From: crymad <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Laurindo Almeida, A Man And A Woman

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> At 12:43 AM 12/21/01 -0800, crymad wrote:
> >
> >Groovy gets to be a bit tiresome after a while, though.  And it also is
> >vulnerable to kitchy-ness.   Un-ironic listening is
> >what I strive for.
>
> That's an interesting statement.
> It's probably in the ear of the behearer but I think I know what you mean.

Yes, in the ear of the behearer.  That's why I stressed un-ironic
_listening_ and not _music_.

> Still maybe you could elaborate.
> Some examples of each perhaps.

I enjoy Jackie Gleason's sitar-laden "The Now Sound...For Today's
Lovers".  Really enjoy it -- I don't have to be in a room with friends
so we can rib each other while it plays.

>
> Personally I don't mind when groovy bleeds into kitsch.  I think that's
> because I like to experience clear demonstrations of "ideas".
> Like "we had the idea that throwing a little electric sitar into our big
> band arrangement of this rock tune would make it a little hipper for the
> kids".

To continue with the sitar theme...on the other hand, while that bizarre
sitared "Up, Up, and Away" on the Incredibly Strange Music comp always
fills me and my wife with glee whenever it surprises us on one of my car
tapes, my enjoyment of that piece of work is ultimately hollow.  It
wouldn't be as good if I were driving alone.

> We've had this discussion a thousand times before and I realize I don't
> make very clear distinctions between kitsch, cheese and "irony".
> But to me all those things imply a "failure" of some type.
> One idea too many crowded into the arrangement.  Or an inappropriate cover.
> Something that stands out as "out of place".
> Trying a bit too hard.
> Introducing elements that you can't quite control.

While some music is born from irony (The Village People), for the most
part, irony is something a listener chooses to contribute.  So while I'm
sure there must be some folks out there who also enjoy the Gleason "Now
Sound" record, but only because it's so kooky, their enjoyment is of a
lesser sort.  Yes, I'm am making a quality judgment here: Ironic
listening is an inferior form of appreciation.

I'm a fan of Dada.  Duchamp's inverted urinal "Fountain" is undeniably
touched by comedy.  But it also contains the mysteries of the universe.
A viewer who merely "gets the joke" doesn't get the whole picture.

>
> Easy listening has made me much more aware of "arranging" than I was
> before.  And it's made me appreciate lush beautiful arranging much more.
> Some of the stuff I'm thinking about here - Michel Legrand, some Francis
> Lai, even some of those early seventies Andre Kostelanetz records produced
> by Teo Macero - might be what you mean by "un-ironic listening".
> Music where all the elements seem to come together.
> But having become a fan of arranging, it's also given me an interest in
> arranging ideas that don't quite work.
> Music where some of the elements are out there on their own, trying - but
> failing - to disappear inside the arrangement.

Failure is also fine with me.  I have a record called "Organ Magic", by
Al Bollington on Concert Recordings.  He's trying his hand at an
assortment of solo pieces on electric Wurlitzer 4520.  His version of
Quiet Village, from timpani effect drum beginning to tropical bird sound
end, is inept.  But no matter -- this is why I think his performance is
such a thing of beauty.  Had he been more of a virtuoso, talent would
have gotten in the way of the music.

- --crymad


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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 19:49:49 -0800
From: crymad <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Laurindo Almeida, A Man And A Woman

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> << At 12:43 AM 12/21/01 -0800, crymad wrote:
> >
> >Groovy gets to be a bit tiresome after a while, though.  And it also is
> >vulnerable to kitchy-ness.   Un-ironic listening is
> >what I strive for. >>
>
> So if there's irony in the music you stop listening? I don't get it.

Irony from the outset?  Like female impersonator burlesque or the music
of Kiss?  I don't even start listening to that sort of thing, so
stopping isn't an issue.

> There's
> really nothing wrong with seeing irony where none was meant to exist. In fact
> it seems to be a sign of some sort of evolution in listening skills.
> And to
> appreciate it and snicker at it simultaneously is not a bad thing is it?

Irony as mockery isn't that advanced: grade school children can make fun
of things.  And yes, it's bad.  That is, it's not as good as
appreciation in whole.

- --crymad


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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 23:13:25 -0500
From: "cheryl" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Playlist For Space Bop, December 23

Beyond kitsch, Space Bop is one hour of full galactical wonder, and can
be heard every Sunday from 4 to 5 pm Eastern time on CKUT 90.3 FM in
Montreal, Canada, and on RealAudio (real time only, for now) at:

http://www.ckut.ca

As usual, all comments, questions, and feedback welcome.

Space Bop #173   A Mutated Christmas

Yes, it's that time of year again...time for the annual Space Bop Christmas
show.  Deck the halls with sappy music?  Not on your life!  This year, we
feature lots of great stuff, from the truly inspired to the truly twisted.
Enjoy!

Daniel Johnston:  Some People Don't Even Know If It's Christmastime  "Santa
Monika"
Corporal Blossom:  White Christmas  "Mutated Christmas"  (thanks, Bob & BR!)
Tipsy:  XXXmas  "Hard Petting EP" (finally...thanks again, Bob & BR)

Tuxedomoon:  Weinachts Rap  "Ghosts Of Christmas Past"
Felix Kubin:  I Lost My Heart In Reykjavik  "Santa Monika"
Ptose:  What Will You Bring (To Me)?  "Oscar's X-Mas Carols 1984"
Corporal Blossom:  Little Drummer Boy  "Mutated Christmas"

Freddy Fresh & Pals:  A Howlin' Christmas Tune  "A Howlin' Christmas Tune /
Torn Open"  (thanks, Sandra!)
Mark Mothersbaugh:  Enough Xmas For All  "Joyeux Mutato"
Der Plan:  Schnee-Cristel Unterm Baum  "Denk Daran!"

No-L:  Have Yourself A Merry Little Chrismas  "Mutated Christmas"
Frieder Butzmann:  Stille Nacht Goes Disco  "White Christmas"
Current '93':  Happy Birthday Pigface Christus  "Ghosts Of Christmas Past"

Culturcide:  Santa Claus Was My Lover  "Depressed Christmas / Santa Claus
Was My Lover"

Thanks for reading, and thanks for listening

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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 23:24:47 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Laurindo Almeida, A Man And A Woman

In a message dated 12/21/01 4:23:21 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<< but I've begun to pay more
attention to arranging than to musical prowess.   >>

Keep hope alive


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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 23:33:49 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Laurindo Almeida, A Man And A Woman

In a message dated 12/21/01 10:52:24 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<< I enjoy Jackie Gleason's sitar-laden "The Now Sound...For Today's
Lovers".  Really enjoy it -- I don't have to be in a room with friends
so we can rib each other while it plays.  >>

Is there such a room? Are there such friends?  Is there that rib?.... Anyone
can make a case of your previously stated disdain for ironic listening with
this LP....Somehow this statement just doesn't resonate at this address. You
need to clarify your thoughts before making pronouncements regarding ironic
listening vs pure listening....JBee (in Bonnet).


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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 23:35:27 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Laurindo Almeida, A Man And A Woman

In a message dated 12/21/01 10:52:43 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<< Irony as mockery isn't that advanced: grade school children can make fun
of things.  And yes, it's bad.  That is, it's not as good as
appreciation in whole. >>

Weak....clarify please!....Help!


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Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 12:20:25 +0800
From: "william" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) zounds!

hi all,

   i know its probably old had to most of you, but my parents gave me the
basta cd re-issue of zounds! what sounds! for my birthday last month(of
course they sent it to the wrong address so i just got it). wow! hearing
this makes me think of hearing  esquivel for the first time. it makes me
think of big bands meet willy wonka. the little plops and clock sounds just
make  me think of certain scenes from that movie.

  other things i've recnetly picked up but not had the chance to properly
listen to are:

   denizens of the deep - ferrante and teicher(with artwork by our own keith
lo bue!)

   tamboo/skins - les baxter( i used to have  skins on vinyl)

   in like flint/our man flint ost

   classic tv game show themes

  i also picked up a comp of chinese music on a singapore label that
includes a track by one of chairman mao's wives. not had the chance to
listen to that yet, as i'm heading back to seattle for the holidays so
taking in these properly will have to wait till i'm back.

  and i did end up  getting that roger roger disc i posted about awhile
back. i think my favourite tracks were the ones that made me think of sci-fi
movies. i think maybe "profondeurs". i still need to properly take it in
though.

             william in taipei.



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Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 01:22:37 -0800
From: crymad <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Laurindo Almeida, A Man And A Woman

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> In a message dated 12/21/01 10:52:24 PM, [e-mail] writes:
>
> << I enjoy Jackie Gleason's sitar-laden "The Now Sound...For Today's
> Lovers".  Really enjoy it -- I don't have to be in a room with friends
> so we can rib each other while it plays.  >>
>
> Is there such a room? Are there such friends?  Is there that rib?....

With ironic listening?  Yes, yes, yes.  Quite simply, irony demands
two sets of listeners:  one group who gets it, and another group who's
in the dark.  It's not about you and the night and the music.  Ironic
listening throws the intrusion of others into the mix.  It's musical
appreciation through conspiracy.

- --crymad


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Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 09:52:43 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Laurindo Almeida, A Man And A Woman

In a message dated 12/22/01 4:25:32 AM, [e-mail] writes:

<< irony demands
two sets of listeners:  one group who gets it, and another group who's
in the dark.  It's not about you and the night and the music.  Ironic
listening throws the intrusion of others into the mix.  It's musical
appreciation through conspiracy. >>

ok...i see what you mean from that POV. But desparate times sometimes call
for desparate measures and if irony helps I'm all for it....sometimes irony
can save the day. As for conspiracy theories, I'll go with the single bullet
falling in the forest. Who hears it?.....JB


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Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 16:42:10 +0100
From: ultrasuoni <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) zounds!

Hi all,
I also bought the Basta reissue and it's a shame: no liner notes as in the
original album, no song credits, a useless mini-interview and a mispelled name
(Elliot instead of Dean Elliott, as in his real name). As to the sound, well, it
almost sounds like a bootleg. I was yearning for that reissue: worst
disappointment of the year!!! Anyway, since there's no other way to get hold of
that record...

francesco adinolfi, author of Mondo Exotica




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Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 11:06:14 -0500
From: "Carl Howard" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Nelson Riddle & edible horse underwear OOPS!

Yes, by a little concern called "Latin Jazz International" in NYC, for which
I will be forever grateful!

Carl Howard
Ohio Regional WUV Supervisor
Alien Abduction Coordinator
Communist Dupe Extraordinaire


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> In a message dated 12/21/2001 12:33:25 PM, [e-mail] writes:
>
> << that Bar None never
>
> released the projected Genius/1968 double,  >>
>
> Available, however, as a "limited release".




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Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 11:27:30 -0500
From: "Carl Howard" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) zounds!

I will offer my standard rant about Dean Elliott here.  Dean Elliott,
outside of this record, is perhaps best known as a musical collaborator for
Chuck Jones while Jones was at MGM, and then afterwards as well.  What
always kills me is that as a composer for cartoons - particularly "Tom and
Jerry" in 1965/66, Elliott obviously had the same sidemen as on "Zounds!"
and many of the same mod-with-a-vengeance touches, but the brilliance level
is not even close.  His cartoons scores are uninspired, and have none of the
subtlety of Jones' most famous cartoon score composers, among them Carl
Stalling, Milt Franklyn, and Eugene Poddany.

There was a similar problem in the '60s when William Lava filled in after
Franklyn's death at Warner's in '62, but Lava redeemed himself in glorious
fashion when he was assigned to "F-Troop" in '65/'66.

Carl Howard
Ohio Regional WUV Supervisor
Alien Abduction Coordinator
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>    i know its probably old had to most of you, but my parents gave me the
> basta cd re-issue of zounds! what sounds! for my birthday last month(of
> course they sent it to the wrong address so i just got it). wow! hearing
> this makes me think of hearing  esquivel for the first time. it makes me
> think of big bands meet willy wonka. the little plops and clock sounds
just
> make  me think of certain scenes from that movie.




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Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 13:52:16 -0500
From: "Domenic Ciccone" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) My Heart will go on and no and on

> We're all a bit jaded at this point.
> For us, Esquivel is so 1998.  It's really a list for
> people who like exotica AND THEREFORE probably also like a whole bunch of
> other stuff that isn't Celine Dion or Garth Brooks.

OK I'm so jaded. Lets talk about that hot new star Celine!

Going thru the old records you notice the same old songs popping up. If a
song is popular everbody covers it. Which is not really done anymore. Except
foe maybe monster hits like this.

So far have heard 4 covers. Punk, Indian and Cambodian covers of this. And
picked up a Club Mix99 a version by "Deja Vu".


Domenic


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Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 14:08:36 -0500
From: "Domenic Ciccone" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Laurindo Almeida, A Man And A Woman

From El Maestro Con Queso

> Now if you're talking Route 66, I played a Perry Como version of it (from
> Perry Como swings(?) on living stereo, nice picture of the man golfing on
> the cover) and it truly swings.  Bongo's, strings, Bluesy bass.
> Unexpectedly fantastic.

I have scratched up version of this. And it was nice! This may be the only
upbeat record he did.



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Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 16:58:01 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (exotica) Laurindo Almeida, A Man And A Woman

At 07:49 PM 12/21/01 -0800, crymad wrote:
.
  That's why I stressed un-ironic
>_listening_ and not _music_.
.>
>I enjoy Jackie Gleason's sitar-laden "The Now Sound...For Today's
>Lovers".  Really enjoy it -- I don't have to be in a room with friends
>so we can rib each other while it plays.
.>
>To continue with the sitar theme...on the other hand, while that bizarre
>sitared "Up, Up, and Away" on the Incredibly Strange Music comp always
>fills me and my wife with glee whenever it surprises us on one of my car
>tapes, my enjoyment of that piece of work is ultimately hollow.  It
>wouldn't be as good if I were driving alone.

I'll certainly agree that "Up Up and Away" by Rajput and the Sepoy Mutiny
is pretty well the Mrs.Miller of sitar records.
No offense to anyone who enjoys Mrs. Miller without irony.

And I now understand the distinction you were trying to make.
But just barely.
And my lack of understanding may have something to do with the fact that I
no longer see things in terms of "guilty pleasures".
My guilty pleasures for the most part have become my pleasures.
I can only think of a very few scattered examples of music where the
"funny" part outweighs the part I genuinely enjoy.
Jerry Vale comes to mind.  I've become a huge fan of that whole era of
"crooners" but Jerry's still a bit oily to me.  And his version of "Love
grows where my Rosemary goes" in particular, always makes me want to laugh.
I might say the same thing for The Living Voices doing "Like a Rolling
Stone" and a few other examples in that area.  Enoch Light Singers - or was
it Ray Charles - doing "Hello I love you" also.
And I might be willing to admit a bit of ironic enjoyment in some extreme
examples of sunshine psychedelia I've been indulging in lately.  Free
Design may be a true pleasure but there are bands who do the same thing not
nearly so well and the excesses are more noticeable.

But the problem I have with your original statement is that you applied it
to the word "groovy".
And perhaps we jumped to conclusions.  But it seemed that you were implying
that the very idea of grooviness required ironic listening if it's to be
appreciated.
And it's a familiar refrain.
Maybe you didn't mean to imply such a thing but we've heard it before from
others.
And perhaps the reason we hear the implication is because when we first
came upon this music ourselves, there was a touch or irony in our own
enjoyment.

You said "groovy gets a bit tiresome after a while".  I can appreciate that.
That even happens to me and "groovy" is my middle name (in Yiddish anyway.)
But what is it about grooviness that gets tiresome?
Tiresome implies that you're doing something besides just listening.
What is it you're doing?  Nodding your head and thinking "Ain't I groovy?"

I don't know where to go with this.  Nice to be talking about music for a
change.

AZ



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Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 18:23:58 -0800 (PST)
From: Ron Grandia <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) slightly exotic Xmas Stream

Seasons Greetings, Exoticats!

I have cobbled-together a Cristmas-flavored netcast
that I hope some will enjoy. Most of it is pretty off-
the-beaten path for Christmas fare. Sort of an Aural
christmas card for friends.

htt://63.145.234.217:8000/listen.pls  for broadbanders

htt://63.145.234.217:8010/listen.pls  for modems

Happy Holidays!

Ron





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Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 23:39:21 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (exotica) Looking for vintage electronic music

Hi,

I was looking for some old electronic music similar to Raymond Scott's
"Soothing Sounds for Baby".  He also had some more experimantal sounding
stuff on "Manhatten Research Inc".

Any suggestions?

thanks
Jeff


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Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 00:13:01 -0500
From: "Carl Howard" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Looking for vintage electronic music

You ought to use, as pointers, some of the CD compilations of the pioneer
masters of electronic music which have come out in recent memory, such as
"OHM" and "Vintage Modulations."  Notr only will you find masterworks of the
genre but you'll then have pointers to work by other artists, and complete
albums by the featured artists.

You'll want to know about people like Vladimir Ussachevsky, Tod Dockstader,
Morton Subotnick, the "Kontakte" and "Mikrophonie" of Karleinz Stockhausen,
Hugh Le Caine who was another delightful mad inventor, David Rosenboom (a
bit later)... the list goes on and on.  But anyway, get those compilations.


Carl Howard
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>
> Hi,
>
> I was looking for some old electronic music similar to Raymond Scott's
> "Soothing Sounds for Baby".  He also had some more experimantal sounding
> stuff on "Manhatten Research Inc".
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> thanks
> Jeff




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