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exotica-digest      Thursday, September 13 2001      Volume 02 : Number 1043



In This Digest:

(exotica) Re: Transformation
Re: (exotica) Re: Transformation
Re: (exotica) singers and choirs
Re: (exotica) Re: Transformation
Subject: Re: (exotica) Paul Page covers missing etc
(exotica) playing records without records ?
(exotica) Tony Motolla- Warm, Wild, and Wonderful find
Re: (exotica) Transformation
Re: (exotica) Tony Motolla- Warm, Wild, and Wonderful find
(exotica) Manhattan Research on Vinyl
(exotica) OK, so I saw Ghost World, too...
Re: (exotica) OK, so I saw Ghost World, too...
(exotica) Hope all are well
Re: (exotica) Hope all are well
RE: (exotica) Hope all are well
RE: (exotica) Hope all are well
RE: (exotica) Hope all are well
Re: (exotica) Hope all are well
Re: Re: (exotica) Hope all are well
Re: (exotica) Hope all are well
Re: Re: (exotica) OK, so I saw Ghost World, too...
Re: (exotica) Hope all are well
Re: (exotica) Hope all are well
Re: (exotica) OK, so I saw Ghost World, too...
(exotica) New member introduction
Re: (exotica) Hope all are well
(exotica) Sma Sumac<>Amc Camus
(exotica) Tipsy / DJ Me DJ You / Seksu Roba in LA
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Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 23:41:25 -0700
From: bigshot <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Re: Transformation

>Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 03:16:38 -0400
>From: alan  zweig <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: (exotica) Transformation
>
>I went through a period of listening to a lot of "modern jazz".  When I was
>right in the middle of it, Coltrane's playing and Dexter Gordon and Sonny
>Rollins and Eric Dolphy for sure and Pharoah Sanders all played in a
>distinctively different style.  And I would still argue that way if I were
>around jazz listeners. On the other hand, if a casual jazz fan told me "It
>all kind of sounds the same to me", I wouldn't argue with them.

Music is a language. To be able to understand it, you have to immerse
yourself in it. Often the people who say "It all sounds the same."
are the ones who haven't gotten the experience to understand what they
are hearing. That is particularly true of Modern Jazz. It is a much
more complex and inaccessable language than swing or trad jazz.

>In that argument, if I had to choose between you and him, I hope you would
>make it easier for me, come clean and just admit that you really don't
>listen to much contemporary music besides what you catch on the radio.

Actually, I do hear contemporary music. I work alongside a lot
of artists who listen to all kinds of current music. They share
new stuff with me, and I share old stuff with them. I grew up
through the late sixties through the eighties, so I know that
music. I probably don't hear bother with mainstream contemporary
music anymore, but I don't know if I'm missing too much there. But
you are right that I know a lot more about the music from the
past than I do music of the past twenty years.

>One, what is a typical song?  You argued about how the typical songs
>between 1911 and 1941 changed more than between 1971 and the present?

Well, I can easily point to typical songs from the first half of
the century. In chronological order...

Alma Gluck's "Carry Me Back To Old Virginny", Billy Murray's "In My
Merry Oldsmobile", Bennie Krueger's "Yes! We Have No Bananas", Isham
Jones' "The Sheik of Araby", Louis Armstrong's "Muskrat Ramble",
Duke Ellington's "East St. Louis Toodle-Oo", Bennie Goodman's
"Swing, Swing, Swing", Count Basie's "Jumpin At The Woodside", Glenn
Miller's "In The Mood", Woody Herman's "Woodchopper's Ball"...

All of those songs were strong sellers and would have been
familiar to people living through that time. They are
representative of the typical popular music of the day and
show a progression of constant change and development.

Now, take Alma Gluck's Carry Me Back To Old Virginny and compare
it to Glenn Miller's "In The Mood" which came just about thirty
years later. They are light years apart.

>Would a typical song today be hiphop or alternate rock or so-called
>world music or Britney Spears?

Well, you might be better than me at selecting a list of songs
that chart the mainstream of music from 1970 to today. But here is
my stab at it...

The Beatles "Get Back", Black Sabbath "Iron Man", Deep Purple
"Smoke On The Water", Led Zeppelin "Stairway To Heaven", Alice
Cooper "Schools Out" Elton John "Saturday Night's All Right For
Fighting", BeeGees "Stayin' Alive", Joan Jett "I Love Rock N Roll"
Blondie "Call Me", Pretenders "Brass In Pocket" Michael Jackson
"Bad", The Clash "London Calling", Talking Heads "Burning Down
The House", Van Halen "Jump", Madonna "Like A Virgin", George
Michael? Phil Collins? Nirvana "Smells Like Teen Spirit" NSync?
Britney Spears? I get spotty on this end of things...

Feel free to fill in the blanks... But is "Smells Like Teen
Spirit" really *that* different from "Get Back"?

>And the second question: Assuming more "transformations" occurred in the
>first part of the twentieth century than the last, does that mean the music
>is "better"?

I am usually more interested in dynamic periods of change than I
am static ones.

Again, my point isn't necessarily old is good and new is bad.
I know there is good contemporary music. What I am saying is,
in the first half of the 20th century, popular music was a like a
locomotive constantly driving forward, growing, expanding
and changing. In the second half, it began travelling in circles.
Music has fragmented into niches. You don't have the common
melting pot of different styles merging into something completely
new like you did in the past.

Instead of the innovation driving the mainstream, the lowest
common denominator is at the wheel. That can't be a good
thing for music as a whole.

See ya
Steve

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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 11:55:46
From: "Robert McKenna" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Transformation

Stephen, I disagree with your list of 'typical' songs, and I disagree with
your point of music sounding more alike now than before. Music from
different genres will no longer contain similar sonic elements. Irish Trad
music from now contains no elements with any similarity to, say drum'n'bass,
which would usually have absolutely no sound elements of any similarity to
deep house. Irish trad recorded in New York in the 1920s usually had the
abomination of a piano playing along with it, so did arias by popular
tenors, so did Jelly Roll Morton...

Many genres do share sound elements recontextualised, and I would (and have
on this list before) arguue that the prevelance of the so called 'hot mix'
style used to bland everything down for FM radio and CDs flattens the
diversity within popular genres, the difference between them is far, far
greater now than at any time in the history of music. And most particularly
in the history of recorded music.
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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 09:49:08 -0400
From: Will Straw <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) singers and choirs

Alan wrote:

"You know, when you're debating whose interpretation of Dylan you prefer,
the Doodletown Pipers or the Living Voices, it's a bit late to talk about
taste."

That should go in one of those book compilations of Great Quotes.

Will

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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 11:52:46 -0400
From: alan  zweig <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Re: Transformation

At 11:41 PM 9/10/01 -0700, bigshot wrote:
>
>Music is a language. To be able to understand it, you have to immerse
>yourself in it. Often the people who say "It all sounds the same."
>are the ones who haven't gotten the experience to understand what they
>are hearing.

Yeah and sometimes the child says the emperor has no clothes.

I'm interested in certain "changes" in the history of American music in
this century.  For instance the ways in which rural white music and black
music were once very similar - even indistinguishable - but eventually
diverged into country music and blues.  This is well documented in a number
of compilations including one I highly recommend called "White Country Blues".
So I enjoy the concepts of transformation.
On the other hand, the vast majority of vocal music I listen to has verses,
choruses and bridges.  And most of it concerns a man singing about a woman
who left him.
This is way too big a topic for me.
Most of the music I listen to - with the exception of electronica -
probably hasn't "transformed" or mutated too much in the last thirty years.
 There've been developments but not huge changes.  Which probably explains
why today's young music fanatics can go back to the music of the sixties
and seventies and find so much music that relates to their present tastes.
On the other hand, there has been a huge transformation, I think, in the
RANGE of music people listen to.  It's my impression that in the first half
of the century, music listeners consumed a fairly narrow range of music.
Narrow in terms of genre but especially in terms of "period".  They
listened to the music of their era and that's about it.
These days a lot of hungry music consumers go from alternative rock to
reissues of Miles Davis "In a Silent Way" to the Blind Willie Johnson
reissue the guy at the record store recommended to the Martin Denny record
their Dad had to hiphop to Scott Walker to the Tony Bennett record they
bought because the guy at the used record store said Tony was a big
influence on Scott.
And if this is what listeners are doing, it makes me confident that music
is being transformed, as we speak, in ways that would have been impossible
in the early part of this century.
Not that I care.
Because there's always new music.  New to me.  It could be a hundred years
old but if I've never heard it, it's new.
And that's all I care about.  Occasionally finding something new.

AZ



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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 18:54:40 +0200 (MEST)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Subject: Re: (exotica) Paul Page covers missing etc

Kevin Crossman asks:
What kind of music is this? Sounds intriquing.


in the exotica-digest      Wednesday, February 21 2001      Volume 02 :
Number 898, he was the subject of some posts.

Tipsydave did send this great link:

Check out this article from the WFMU (America's greatest radio station)
program guide archive for the complete Paul Page story...
http://www.wfmu.org/LCD/18/ppage.html
- -dave

Mo did say:
Exotica with vocals, a Beachcomber type of guy and he virtuosly plays on the
keyboa=
rd of all imaginable Hawaiian clich=E9es, but great. Rock-A-Hula-Baby, sa=
ilor romanticism, slide guitar et al...

I call it hawaii pop. Not exotica like baxter or denny, but of course
exotic, as hawaiian music is general exotic for me


Martin
(still curious how do the covers look like)

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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 18:59:31 +0200 (MEST)
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Subject: (exotica) playing records without records ?

playing records without records ?

the new dj revolution ?

no more need to carry all the heavy records around ?



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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:36:30 EDT
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Subject: (exotica) Tony Motolla- Warm, Wild, and Wonderful find

    Greetings- I was in NYC last weekend and saw one of those guys who prop
up books and records for sale against the sides of buildings. He had a great
looking album which turned out to be Tony Motolla and the Groovies- Warm,
Wild, and Wonderful. I was not familiar with him, but the mention of 'Now
Sound' and 'Enoch Light' on the cover sold me. It's in perfect condition and
only cost me $5. As I currently don't have a record player, could anyone tell
me anything about the record or possibly even review it for me? thanks
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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 22:40:06 -0400
From: "Brian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Transformation

Bigshot wrote:

> Since 1970, the only transformations have been variations
> on the same theme. The progression of the past three decades has been
> more technological than musical. Choose a typical song from 1971 and a
typical
> song from 2001. Listen to the two of them. Now choose a typical song from
1911 > and compare it to a song from 1941. I guarantee you that the older
songs will be
> light years apart compared to the more current ones.
Are we back to this one yet again!!! Steve, you have said all this before
and I'm sure I was among the many respondents that seemed to be less able to
describe in mere words exaclty what constitutes "good" music! In short I
would never, or could I ever expect to say with any conviction, that a
particular piece of music from period x is always better than one from
period y. I think that is why we all have ears and brains, so we can make
those judgements for ourselves based on something called personal
preference. Its a bit condescending what you say here, but since you've said
it before and will most probably say it again, I'll stop here and not waste
any more of all of our time.  Today is already a sad enough day for the
world...

Brian



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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 03:35:30 -0400
From: alan  zweig <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Tony Motolla- Warm, Wild, and Wonderful find

At 01:36 PM 9/11/01 EDT, [e-mail] wrote:
>
>    Greetings- I was in NYC last weekend and saw one of those guys who prop
>up books and records for sale against the sides of buildings. He had a great
>looking album which turned out to be Tony Motolla and the Groovies- Warm,
>Wild, and Wonderful.

The Groovies are essentially the band, The Free Design.  If you know
anything about them, you'll know why I say that this is a great record.
The Groovies sing really interesting background vocals.  It's a very unique
mix.  (And they cover a Free Design tune while they're at it.)  This is
easily my favorite Tony Mottola record.  And as far as the Now Sound goes,
I would say Tony Mottola usually only qualifies just barely but this record
is as Now as you can get.

(condolences to anyone who knew anyone who died today)

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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 10:42:19 +0100
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Subject: (exotica) Manhattan Research on Vinyl

I finally got a copy of the vinyl 3LP set of Raymond Scotts Manhattan
Research Project recordings that was released by Basta on CD last year.
Not a bad set, each LP is in a nice gatefold sleeve with track descriptions,
and some notes by Irwin Chusid on Vol 2.  Several tracks are repeated in
variations across the LP's and the majority clock in at around a minute.
There are some outstanding pieces on there,  some wonderfully textured
tracks ranging from very warm and mellow to quite disturbing.  But a lot of
it I found quite annoying,  do I need a couple of versions of an advert
lasting a few seconds with electronic bleeps even if it is Raymond Scott?  I
just get the feeling that I would have been happier with a single LP of the
longer tracks leaving the rest for completists.
But then again, I don't really think I would.

OK, Soothing Sounds for Babies was out on vinyl,  finally MR has surfaced, I
wonder if the rest of the Raymond Scott Basta releases will surface on Long
Player.  I'd like to have some of his non-electronic music, too.

By the way, does anyone have a copy of v1 of Soothing Sounds on record that
they don't want?  I have 2 and 3, but could never find v1.  (Ooops here
comes the completist out of the closet).


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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 09:50:19 -0400
From: Brian Phillips <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) OK, so I saw Ghost World, too...

...and enjoyed it.  I had to duck out of reality for a while yesterday and
my thoughts and prayers go out to all.

As for the movie, do see it and look for this cover to show up on Enid's wall:

http://www.showandtellmusic.com/pages/galleries/gallery_a/whatsnext.html

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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 07:17:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: chuck <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) OK, so I saw Ghost World, too...

As a avid record collector with a younger girlfriend I also enjoyed
this movie.  Glad Alan recomended it on the list.  I really enjoyed
the scene wear he threw a party for his record collecting friends
and tried to sell one a cracked 78.

Chuck

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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 09:30:43 -0500
From: "Colleen Pyles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Hope all are well

Hope all on the list are safe and sound.  Could we please do a roll
call of our NYC list members.  Please let us know how you are doing.
Our prayers are with you.


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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 11:25:15 -0400
From: Carl Howard <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Hope all are well

Hi!  I was working in a slummy old office building one half block from the
World Trade Center when the Big Things happened.  We actually watched the
burning and the debris from a window until the SECOND plane hit, and at that
point, we got the hell out of there.  I think that building is still standing,
but at this point the whole area is sealed off and will be for the
forseeable.  It goes without saying that the whole transportation matrix into
that area has been completely altered or destroyed.
I don't know about all the exotica list members, but I do know that all the
Yahoo Luxuria Club members are safe, and well wishes have come in from Domenic
Ciccone and Indy Rutks among others - for which, thank you !!!!  Anita
Serwacki, The Meat Mistress - Jack Fetterman's partner in The In Hi-Fi
Sessions - believes she lost friends yesterday.  Of course there is still so
much chaos and a lack of information, but with anywhere up to 20,000 possibly
dead... you know, fill in the blanks.
I'm not sure who else on this list might have worked in the area, but if they
were any closer to it than I was, they were REALLY at Ground Zero.  Hopefully
we will all know more in the days to come.

Thanks so much, Colleen !!!

Colleen Pyles wrote:

> Hope all on the list are safe and sound.  Could we please do a roll
> call of our NYC list members.  Please let us know how you are doing.
> Our prayers are with you.
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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 16:29:42 +0100
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Subject: RE: (exotica) Hope all are well

Lou would be an obvious Questionmark,  but if he emails from work (which I
think he does) and his work place is out of bounds then we won't know..


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> Hope all on the list are safe and sound.  Could we please do a roll
> call of our NYC list members.  Please let us know how you are doing.
> Our prayers are with you.
>
>
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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 09:04:44 -0700
From: "Benito Vergara" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) Hope all are well

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> Lou would be an obvious Questionmark,  but if he emails from work (which I
> think he does) and his work place is out of bounds then we won't know..

Lou Smith already e-mailed the exoticaring list -- he's fine, thank
goodness.

Anyone heard from Citizen Kafka?

Later,
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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 08:52:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: chuck <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (exotica) Hope all are well

I heard from Kafka and he and his family watched the horror from
their home. They are alright.  He said everyone he knew made it out
of the buildings including someone who worked on the 70th floor.

I'll try and call Lou.  I believe he does email from work.

Chuck

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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 12:37:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: Bruce Lenkei <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Hope all are well

I was working at the WTC all last year and this up until July.
Now I'm glad I was laid off. Hope all my old co-workers made
it out o.k.

- - Bruce

On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Colleen Pyles wrote:

> Hope all on the list are safe and sound.  Could we please do a roll
> call of our NYC list members.  Please let us know how you are doing.
> Our prayers are with you.
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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 14:04:51 -0500
From: "Colleen Pyles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) Hope all are well

Thank you all so much for checking in. I appreciate all the info you
have given. I know it's going to be tough in the next few months.
Keep us all updated.

Thanks


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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 16:31:14 EDT
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Subject: Re: (exotica) Hope all are well

We watched it on tv while our friends were walking down the stairs of the
wtc. So far, no personal casualties and we are keeping our fingers crossed.
Lots of 1st person stories are coming our way. We are alternately grateful
and in shock.
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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 16:56:08 -0500
From: "Colleen Pyles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re: (exotica) OK, so I saw Ghost World, too...

Chuck wrote:

As a avid record collector with a younger girlfriend I also enjoyed
this movie.
    *****************************

So Chuck, are you braggin' or what!!!


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Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 00:10:12 +0200
From: Nicola Battista <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Hope all are well

hello to all exoticans in NY and everywhere... I hope you are all ok.
I am in Italy as usual and I'm glad to hear messages from NY people who
escaped the tragedy that happened yesterday.

I was in my hometown Pescara, in the office of a friend of mine, Vincenzo,
who's a lawyer and also singer in a ska/soul group called Agua Calientes.
When one of his friends called him and said that planes were crashing on
the Twin Towers and the Pentagon he thought it was some absurd joke and
laughed histerically saying "are you kidding?! f*** off!" to his friend and
almost putting down the phone. A few minutes later a guy who was coming to
the office gave us more informations. I ran home and listened to the radio
in my car then watched all I could on tv (most Italian channels were and
still are broadcasting CNN images) and on the Internet and it was like
seeing a bad movie about disasters, like the Towering Inferno or something
like that... only, this time it was real.
My girlfriend is shocked since she is one of those people that having read
a certain Tom Clancy novel now live with the thought than it can be done
for real. And even things can be even worse than in a stupid novel or
hollywood movie.

Yesterday night I found an email by some artist from Mp3.com inviting other
artists to donate tracks for an instant dam cd release tentatively called
"America Mourns". While the guy said that profits would have been donated
to the Red Cross, I archived the mail without replying.
I couldn't live with the idea of using such an horrible event like this to
get any kind of promotion --- and on the same day it happened.

I've heard a few absurd comments on tv. Some US related personality based
in Italy saying it was just "a provocation" and speaking of "loss of
PROPERTY" (!!!!!!) or damages to economy. Most comments agree that this is
a tragedy mainly for the enormous loss of human lives.

Also in a few minutes, the familiar New York skyline was wiped out. This is
a symbol in a certain sense.
I tried to imagine Rome without St.Peter's church or Paris without the
Eiffel Tower. Sorry if this is a stupid thought, compared to the loss of
people. Maybe what I will say now will sound very stupid... I don't mean to
offend anyone. It's just stuff I have in my mind now.

Just a few days ago I had found a cheap italian book about Spider-Man. It
was mostly a collage of images taken from lots of different sources, not
just comics, trying to do some critic and research on the famous comic book
hero. One of the chapters was about Spider-Man's New York and compared
various images of real NY or other fantasy depictions of its skyline with
the skyscrapers pictured in Spider-Man comics.

Yesterday I thought that together with thousands of innocent lives and the
myth of an all-powerful America, a piece of NY as we know it (and I've
never seen NY for real in my life) was no more.
Tonight my girfriend told me she had heard that scenes from the upcoming
Spider-Man movie will be cut out because of the presence of skyscrapers (I
had recently seen an Internet trailer representing Spider-Man capturing an
helicopter with his web.. and the helicopter ends up trapped between two
towers very similar to the ones that were destroyed).

Sorry for all this mess. I'm still shocked.

DjB


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Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 00:24:10 +0200
From: Nicola Battista <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Hope all are well

hello to all exoticans in NY and everywhere... I hope you are all ok.
I am in Italy as usual and I'm glad to hear messages from NY people who
escaped the tragedy that happened yesterday.

I was in my hometown Pescara, in the office of a friend of mine, Vincenzo,
who's a lawyer and also singer in a ska/soul group called Agua Calientes.
When one of his friends called him and said that planes were crashing on
the Twin Towers and the Pentagon he thought it was some absurd joke and
laughed histerically saying "are you kidding?! f*** off!" to his friend and
almost putting down the phone. A few minutes later a guy who was coming to
the office gave us more informations. I ran home and listened to the radio
in my car then watched all I could on tv (most Italian channels were and
still are broadcasting CNN images) and on the Internet and it was like
seeing a bad movie about disasters, like the Towering Inferno or something
like that... only, this time it was real.
My girlfriend is shocked since she is one of those people that having read
a certain Tom Clancy novel now live with the thought than it can be done
for real. And even things can be even worse than in a stupid novel or
hollywood movie.

Yesterday night I found an email by some artist from Mp3.com inviting other
artists to donate tracks for an instant dam cd release tentatively called
"America Mourns". While the guy said that profits would have been donated
to the Red Cross, I archived the mail without replying.
I couldn't live with the idea of using such an horrible event like this to
get any kind of promotion --- and on the same day it happened.

I've heard a few absurd comments on tv. Some US related personality based
in Italy saying it was just "a provocation" and speaking of "loss of
PROPERTY" (!!!!!!) or damages to economy. Most comments agree that this is
a tragedy mainly for the enormous loss of human lives.

Also in a few minutes, the familiar New York skyline was wiped out. This is
a symbol in a certain sense.
I tried to imagine Rome without St.Peter's church or Paris without the
Eiffel Tower. Sorry if this is a stupid thought, compared to the loss of
people. Maybe what I will say now will sound very stupid... I don't mean to
offend anyone. It's just stuff I have in my mind now.

Just a few days ago I had found a cheap italian book about Spider-Man. It
was mostly a collage of images taken from lots of different sources, not
just comics, trying to do some critic and research on the famous comic book
hero. One of the chapters was about Spider-Man's New York and compared
various images of real NY or other fantasy depictions of its skyline with
the skyscrapers pictured in Spider-Man comics.

Yesterday I thought that together with thousands of innocent lives and the
myth of an all-powerful America, a piece of NY as we know it (and I've
never seen NY for real in my life) was no more.
Tonight my girfriend told me she had heard that scenes from the upcoming
Spider-Man movie will be cut out because of the presence of skyscrapers (I
had recently seen an Internet trailer representing Spider-Man capturing an
helicopter with his web.. and the helicopter ends up trapped between two
towers very similar to the ones that were destroyed).

Sorry for all this mess. I'm still shocked.

DjB


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Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 00:43:05 +0200
From: Nicola Battista <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) OK, so I saw Ghost World, too...

Wel we don't have this movie here yet... but I can already have the music!

http://www.emusic.com/affiliate1000/sourceid=00251722644171201723/albums/26964

DjB :)


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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 21:55:50 -0400
From: "David Hoffman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) New member introduction

Hello

I am a new member to the list with a long-standing interest in exotica,
especially Les Baxter.  I grew up with his music in the 1950Æs, and it is
still fresh and invigorating today. ôPorts of Pleasureö is probably my
favorite of his albums. My record collection includes about 35 Baxter albums
in addition to numerous Lyman, Denny, and a few others. My musical interests
are eclectic, primarily classical, jazz, r&b and international (in no
special order).  Living in the rural South, this pursuit of BaxterÆs music
has been done in relative isolationùand itÆs going to be nice to emerge from
that condition.

David Hoffman


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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:18:13 -0400
From: "M.Ace" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (exotica) Hope all are well

I'm very relieved to hear good things so far. I've been worried about you
folks in NYC, but too tongue-tied (and fearful) to ask. I'm still
speechless, but our thoughts are with you. Take care, gang.

- --M.Ace



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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 23:15:34 -0400
From: "Domenic Ciccone" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Sma Sumac<>Amc Camus

l'll post this even thought it's been only one day after that horrible
thing. We had some good cheer tonight.

Although I've been reading this list for almost 3 years  not sure about
this.

Had a nice mini family reunion tonight at the house and that means torturing
the relatives with lounge music. My father-in-law is from Peru. He hardly
speaks English even though he's been in this country for 10 years now.
Played Yma Suma's Mambo CD for him. Just picked it up from one of the local
libraries this morning (it was in the world music section).

So I asked him: "Forget the background music it's pure Hollywood. Your
opinion:"Yma Sumac" Peruvian princess or "Amy Camus" a nice girl from
Brooklyn?"

He said she's from Peru.

Ok. Went on a limb here. What's the straight dope?

Domenic


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Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 02:09:33 -0700
From: "Kevin Leeeeee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (exotica) Tipsy / DJ Me DJ You / Seksu Roba in LA

THIS FRIDAY Sept. 14  - night of indie electronic pop

TIPSY  (asphodel/SF)   http://www.asphodel.com/artists/tipsy/index.shtml
DJ ME DJ YOU  (was emporer norton/LA)    http://www.djmedjyou.com
SEKSU ROBA  (crippled dick hot wax!/LA) - probably starting 9:30pm
http://www.seksuroba.com

SPACELAND, 1717 Silver Lake Blvd., Silver Lake.
Cover $10. Full bar. [phone].

Tipsy is from SF and they're on a cool label and they're real fun,
sample-delic stuff - musical pioneers to some... pirates to others.  lots of
exotica, space age psychedlia and moogy sounds.  Speaking of pioneers, DJ Me
DJ You is formerly of Sukia fame and are LA's most def band.

Seksu Roba features lovely Lun*na on sampler/vocals/dancing/interpretive
bubble making, Sukho Lee on Theremin and synth, and Victor White and his
amazing anatomically correct robot, "Erector".  music is soft, sexy, and
psychedelic.

don't miss this once in a lifetime opportunity!


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Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 12:13:12
From: "Robert McKenna" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [none]

For some reason Bigshot's reply went to my work mail so never got to the
list.

To be honest I wouldn't care to dive into that subject. I don't have the
depth or breadth of knowledge on the 1910 - 1940 front. But even there if we
restrict it to American recorded popular music your list avoids the very
obvious and huge market of music native to immigrants. Your list of
contemporary music pretty much avoids dance music of any kind. Actually so
does your first list. Not a single polka, ceili or whatever artist in there.
I don't really think there is a 'typical' list of records. Do you base it on
'the charts'? Radio play? We're all big enough, old enough, smart enough to
know that they are specious nonsense. But it's not a point I'd get worked up
about.

My real point, which you avoid, is that records can, and do, sound more
diverse than they did in 1910-1940. The frequency spectrum is much larger.
Me and oscilloscopes would agree to disagree with you on the issue of
records sounding more different now.

Alan made the point about being close to the music. Indian classical music,
quite bizarrely, sounds all the same to many people. Or people write off
trad as 'diddlee-eye'. I can understand that, but it's wrong. It would also
be quite wrong to write off techno as 'dumpdumpdump' or house as 'dumptissk
dumptissk dumptissk' though again understandable. You pretty much know from
a cursory listen whether you want to pursue a genre. I would suggest you
stand at a great, great distance from contemporary club music. This is the
music that, like it or not, despise it or not, whether it fits your opinion
of the world going from gold to baseness or it fits your idea of progress,
fills in the role of the music of Louis Armstrong etc.

And a Timbaland production sounds more different from a Masters at Work
production sounds more different from a Mille Plateaux record sounds more
different from a Dave Clark record sounds more different from a Louis Walsh
boy/girl band sounds more different from a Leaf record sounds more different
from an Anti-Pop Consortium record sounds more different from a Compost
record sounds more different from an Isolee record (I could go on,
literally, all day) than any list you could possibly compile of the entire
first 40 years of the last century in recorded music.
The records didn't have it.
The music was none the worse for this, it had diversity of other kinds. What
it sorely lacked was SONIC DIVERSITY. It was not a concept that made any
sense then. Think of Varese and the Intonarumori and you might get what I'm
talking about.
best of luck,
rob

As with everyone else, my sympathies with everyone on the list or anywhere
who might have lost a loved one. I just found out last night that everyone I
know is accounted for with relief.



> >Stephen, I disagree with your list of 'typical' songs, and I disagree
with
> >your point of music sounding more alike now than before.
>
>What would your list of typical popular songs from 1910 to 1940 and
>from 1970 to today look like?
>



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