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From: "K.M.D. Sartori" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: "Suspiria" (Dario Argento soundtrack)
Date: 01 Sep 1996 00:13:05 -0400

Hello.

You have good taste.

Check out the Goblin home page:

http://www.voicenet.com/~goblin/

Check out the Dario Argento home
page:

http://www.en.com/users/tmr/argento.html

The _Suspiria_ soundtrack is probably
Goblin's best, but almost all of their
stuff (soundtrack or not) is worthwhile.
Dario Argento's best is _Tenebrae_ (aka
_Unsane_), but _Profondo Rosso_ (aka
_Deep Red_, Goblin's first LP, BTW) is
also great.

Good luck!
K.M.D. Sartori.
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Hard Days Night
Date: 01 Sep 1996 11:31:48 -0400

In a message dated 96-09-01 05:22:18 EDT, you write:

>well there were short promotional films made for jazz/danceband tunes
>going way back into the 30s/40s, which apparently used to be viewable on
>special "film jukebox" type machines (were these called Scopitones? I
>know not), but I guess HDN (dir Richard Lester, starring those poptastic
>Beatles) might have been the first/best/one of the earliest/ most
>successful full-length films to take seriously & present well the
>phenomenon of a pop band, have a plot, feature "proper acting", a
>specially composed soundtrack and the like. Beforehand there might not
>have been much quite like it (rock'n roll revue movies, beach movies,
>"Girl Can't Help It", "It's Trad Dad" etc). I should imagine HDN was
>timed perfectly to catch the height of Beatlemania, and certainly
>started a beat-combos-in-movies trend (see the Dave Clark Five's copycat
>"Catch us if you can" for proof! or that Herman's Hermits movie whose
>name I forget). And of course there wuz the Monkees; I wonder if the
>format of that TV show might have been different had the Rutles (whoops
>sorry I mean the Beatles) not made their movies beforehand.
>
>any thoughts?
>
>beat-tastically
>
>Phil


Phil is correct - there are a number of video anthologies of this stuff,
which usually showcase the bands in a wonderful soundstage fake nightclub
setting. (these settings for the most part are really worth seeing! - I'd
kill to go to a club with the kind of amazing decor and little tables with
those little lights on them!)  These early "videos" were fairly static in
that they pretty much showed the band playing and did not use a "sub-plot' of
scenes outside the band..  The only non-band cut-aways I recall would be of
nightclub patrons enjoying the music - usually a corny nod from the male to
his date at the table.
I remember growing up in France and viewing around '63 or '64 a "video
jukebox" in  a cafe outside Paris (they were very rare and I only remember
seeing one ever) of French "Yeh-Yeh" artists like Johnny Halliday. I believe
these were actually  8mm color images that were projected onto a screen in
the jukebox (probably a similar set-up to whatt was used in film editing
machines). My guess is that like the way they used to show movies on planes
(pre-the current VCR cassette that is done now the films would be house in a
plastic caddy and would be looped. The selection as you can imagine was very
limited  The particular Johnny Halliday song Ii saw was "Pour Moi La Vie Va
Commencez" which used images of Johnny riding around on a horse from the
current movie he was in that used this song.  So this was the more modern
rock precussor of music videos.

regards
Ashley

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From: "Marcel Chouteau" <[e-mail]>
Subject: What Is Exotica?
Date: 01 Sep 1996 15:52:12 UT

"Steve Sando" <[e-mail]> Sat, 31 Aug 1996 10:05:04 writes

>I found this list a bit confusing...
>I think the above list is good solid music but not neccassarily Exotica.

I guess everyone has their own definition of "exotic."  That's what makes this
exercise of listing your top 5 so interesting.  Does music have to be weird to
be exotica?  To me, music from another continent and culture (ie Brazil) is
plenty exotic.  And to mainstream America LOTS of stuff would be considered
exotic.  I will admit to lumping stuff together in my own head (exotica,
lounge, electronic, EZ, whatever), which is sure to offend and/or confuse some
purists.  But, to borrow from a recent popular political sentiment, let us
make exotica a tolerant, inclusionary genre, not one stifled by its own dogma.

Seriously, though, I do find your comments to be valid.  Music is very
subjective by its own nature and your opinion is an interesting one.  Let the
debate continue!

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From: [e-mail] (Jack Fetterman)
Subject: Re: What Is Exotica?
Date: 01 Sep 1996 16:41:46 GMT

>I will admit to lumping stuff together in my own head (exotica,
>lounge, electronic, EZ, whatever), which is sure to offend and/or confuse
some
>
>purists.  But, to borrow from a recent popular political sentiment, let us

>make exotica a tolerant, inclusionary genre, not one stifled by its own
dogma.
>
>Seriously, though, I do find your comments to be valid.  Music is very
>subjective by its own nature and your opinion is an interesting one.  Let
the
>debate continue!


Because I DJ at a club, I have to use labels as a way to give potential
interested parties a clue as to what they can expect to hear. We (In Hi-Fi)
throw out the genres "space-age bachelor pad music, exotica, and lounge" as
ways to describe what we are playing. From my point of view, "exotica" is
very specific. It probably stopped being produced in any form since about
1963 and includes people like martin denny, arthur lyman, some of les
baxter's work...music of that nature. Tiki aesthetics and cocktail recipes
go hand in hand.

On the other hand, i think that the subjects that are discussed on this
forum (some of which i don't consider exotica at all) would interest most
of the people who care about this genre. So it all works out.

By the way, I picked up a fanzine at Mondo Kim's called "Space Age Bachelor
Pad Music" denouncing Combustible Edison and promoting trip hop! Just goes
to show how distorted interpretations can run.

jack

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From: [e-mail] (Anthony Jackson)
Subject: Dissenting Exotica
Date: 01 Sep 1996 13:41:47 -0500

In his  "intro to exotica" list of recommended works, Marcel Chouteau writes:

>5.  Kraftwerk- "Autobahn."  I throw this in mainly to stir up dissent.  Let's
>not get too "precious" about what constitutes exotica.  There's a bunch of
>cool, atmospheric electronic stuff out there that shouldn't be overlooked (W.
>Carlos, Brian Eno, Tangerine Dream, etc.).

Another unexpected contestant might be an early David Bowie compilation
called "The World of David Bowie". Quaintly bizarre narrative songs with a
slice of old English music hall and mildly exotic instrumentations in the
background.

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From: "David M. Tobin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: new member
Date: 01 Sep 1996 13:49:52 -0700

 Hello all!
    Being a new member to this mailing list I wanted to introduce myself...
 My name is David Tobin and I have a strong interest in what could be called
 "latin exotica".  I enjoy anything from obscure Tito Puente to Henry Mancini...
 I'm currently looking for an LP of Mr. Lucky Goes Latin, does anyone know if
 it has been released on CD?
    My goal is to open up a "tiki lounge" in Seattle in a year or so with live
 music and cigars...I'm also associated with a small quarterly zine called
 Organ and Bongos, a "periodical guide to today's cocktail culture". It's a
 free publication and anyone interested can write to Organ and Bongos, PO Box
 20396, Seattle, Wa 98102




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From: "Lazlo Nibble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: You Oughtta Know (Re: A Little Help)
Date: 01 Sep 1996 11:57:33 -0600 (MDT)

> Jaymz Bee & his Royal Jelly Orchestra, from Toronto have just recently
> released "Cocktail Music-Shakin' AND Stirred" with VERY good lounge covers
> of various Canadian pop songs...

Is this the same Jaymz Bee who's worked with former Yello tapemeister Carlos
Peron?

--
::: Lazlo ([e-mail]; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo)

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: A terse introduction
Date: 01 Sep 1996 15:17:33 -0400

Bard'o? what night? seems to be a swank void in NYC.
Maravillo

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: fave 5ive / Adamson / Eddy / Heatherton
Date: 01 Sep 1996 12:19:30 -0800

IN>>From: "Mark A. Rosati" <[e-mail]>
IN>>Subject: Intro!
IN>>
IN>>After hanging out and reading the list for about a week I decided to
IN>>chime in and ask the powers that be (that is anyone on the list), if you
IN>>where trying to turn someone on to "exotica", what five albums, songs,
IN>>artists would you insist they get?

IN>I can't resist.

IN>(Mind you I recommend highly every tune from each album below, but am
IN>picking faves from.)

IN>1. Antonio Carlos Jobim and Elis Regina - album: "The Antonio Carlos Jobim
IN>Songbook"; song: "Aguas de Marco (Waters of March)"
IN>2. Combustible Edison - album: "The Progressive Sounds of Combustible
IN>Edison"; song: "Solid State"
IN>3. Martin Denny - album: "Quiet Village"; song: "Quiet Village"
IN>4. Brasil '65 - album: "Brasil '65"; song: "So Nice"
IN>5. Sergio Mendez & Brasil '66 - album: "Herb Alpert Presents Sergio Mendez
IN>& Brasil"; song: "Mas Que Nada"

IN>Somehow I will actually stop at five. Many many omissions...


IN>>From: [e-mail]
IN>>Subject: Adamson/Peaks/FS LPs
IN>>
IN>>1. Barry Adamson: For those who are not strictly into exotic type things
IN>>I would urge you to check out his work as bass player with Magazine.
IN>>IMHO some of the best bass playing ever in the Rock(?) genre. Actually,
IN>>even those who are mostly into exotica might still enjoy Magazine as
IN>>they share a certain cinematic type of scope that we all enjoy. Not to
IN>>mention that they are pretentious as hell which is often a good thing!
IN>>Oh yeah, and they cover "Goldfinger".

IN>I did not know Adamson was in Magazine, only that he had played with the Bad
IN>Seeds (was on "Kicking Against the Pricks," their cover-album, their best
IN>record IMO). I am a huge fan of his solo stuff, my fave still being "Moss
IN>Side Story." What would be the best Magazine album for me to check out
IN>first?

Well, probably "Secondhand Daylight" is my favorite and most likely to
appeal to exotica buffs, being more atmospheric than their others. Alot
of people like their first "Real Life" best and that is hard to argue
against too. There are a couple of comps and collections out (at least
on CD) which do a pretty fair job of covering all phase but you kinda
miss out on the "feel" of the albums proper.


IN>>2. Twin Peaks/A. Baldamenti(sp)/Cruse/etc

IN>(Badalamenti)

IN>>Duane Eddy, Lonely Guitar.

IN>I've heard the name before but I can't remember the context. Is this a
IN>contemporary recording? What's the label?

He is a guitar player from the late 50s thru late 60s (and probably
beyond). Famous for his "Twangy Guitar" sound which is highly
influential today. Big hits like "Rebel Rouser". This recording is from
'64 on RCA. No idea if it is available in any form today. It's atypical
of most of his in that usually his stuff is very upbeat/go-go/rockabilly
(or something) sounding whereas this is real slow, a little bit country
and orchestrated.



IN>>From: [e-mail]
IN>>Subject: Joey Heatherton
IN>>
IN>>Although this isn't exactly an "exotic" question, I'm hoping someone has
IN>the info. Did Joey Heatherton >attempt or succeed in killing someone? In the
IN>back of my mind I remember some scandal (and I don't >think i'm confusing
IN>her with claudine longet).  I also seem to think that she died of an
IN>overdose. Anyone
IN>>know?  Thanks.    Bob

IN>I think you're right about this. I can't remember the details, but I know
IN>she went through a classic starlet tragedy. The funny thing is, I know this
IN>from reading a short pseudo-biography in cartoon form in one of the Friedman
IN>Bros. books (Drew Friedman is famous for stippled caricatures and
IN>accompanying dark humor)... I highly recommend researching this reliable
IN>source! :)

IN>          +  ---                           Thom S. Heileson
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IN>          +  -            [e-mail] / [e-mail]

IN>(c.c.SVP: [e-mail])


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: new member
Date: 01 Sep 1996 16:03:47 -0400

In a message dated 96-09-01 13:58:57 EDT, you write:

> Hello all!
>    Being a new member to this mailing list I wanted to introduce myself...
> My name is David Tobin and I have a strong interest in what could be called
> "latin exotica".  I enjoy anything from obscure Tito Puente to Henry
>Mancini...
> I'm currently looking for an LP of Mr. Lucky Goes Latin, does anyone know
if
>
> it has been released on CD?
>    My goal is to open up a "tiki lounge" in Seattle in a year or so with
>live
> music and cigars...I'm also associated with a small quarterly zine called
> Organ and Bongos, a "periodical guide to today's cocktail culture". It's a
> free publication and anyone interested can write to Organ and Bongos, PO
Box
> 20396, Seattle, Wa 98102
>
>

Sounds great - just cut out the stinky cigar part - cigar smoking has become
the Lambada of '96.

Ashley

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: A terse introduction
Date: 01 Sep 1996 16:05:31 -0400

In a message dated 96-09-01 15:21:31 EDT, you write:

>Bard'o? what night? seems to be a swank void in NYC.
>Maravillo

Bar d"O is every Thursday from 7:00 till 10:30 and it is indeed a swank
place-to-be.

Ashley

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From: "kevin king" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Magazine
Date: 01 Sep 1996 16:41:17 -0500

> IN>>From: [e-mail]
> IN>>Subject: Adamson/Peaks/FS LPs
> IN>>
> IN>>1. Barry Adamson: For those who are not strictly into exotic type things
> IN>>I would urge you to check out his work as bass player with Magazine.

> Well, probably "Secondhand Daylight" is my favorite and most likely to
> appeal to exotica buffs, being more atmospheric than their others. Alot
> of people like their first "Real Life" best and that is hard to argue
> against too.

Had to pipe in here.  I suppose I hold an unpopular opinion that
both "The Correct Use of Soap" and the vastly underrated "Magic,
Murder and the Weather" are by far their best efforts.  The latter
still sounds fresh today and is probably the closest they came to
anything even remotely 'exotic.'  Late Blondie was more exotic, not
to mention the Slits or the Raincoats (can just imagine a smooth mix
of Return of the Giant Slits, Lyman, Baxter and Odyshape with just a
taste of a King Tubby's reggae dub -- oooh nice!)

kevin

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From: [e-mail] (Jack Fetterman)
Subject: Re: A terse introduction
Date: 01 Sep 1996 20:46:35 GMT

InHi-Fi presents "Space-Age Bachelor Pad Music" etc. every Thursday evening
from 7:00 - 10:30 at Bar d'O. (no cover)

This week is a special event. We will be premiering the Sound Gallery 2
(with many thanks to Ashley Warren (LTepedino)).

Bar d'O is located at the corner of Downing and Bedford in the West
Village, Manhattan, NYC. For a map (!!!), see viktrola's web page,
"Viktrola's Lounge of Self Indulgence,"  (www.chaoskitty.com) or e-mail me
at [e-mail] for more info.

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From: "kevin king" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Intro!
Date: 01 Sep 1996 16:43:35 -0500

> if you where trying to turn someone on to "exotica", what five albums, songs,
> artists would you insist they get?

I'd suggest the compilations first, leading with two obvious choices:
1- Bar/None's first Esquivel - Space Age Bachelor Pad Music
    (very necessary)
2- Rhino's Martin Denny comp. - Exotica!
    (excellent, generous collection)
3- Capitol's Ultra-Lounge vol. 2 - Mambo Fever
    (or Rhino's Perez Prado comp. which is better but less varied, no
    Yma Sumac!)
4- Easy Project vol. 1
    (spy, blaxploitation, Brit lounge, maybe still the best of the bunch)
and to round things off nice and rough-like,
5- ReSearch's Incredibly Strange Music vol. 1
    (and the accompanying book, that'll get them hooked!)


kevin king
[e-mail]
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From: "Steve Sando" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Intro!
Date: 01 Sep 1996 14:35:42 +0000

> On Sat, 31 Aug 1996, Steve Sando wrote:
>
> > I love hearing about other music (especially new) that Exotica
> > fans are listening to but to call Tangerine Dream Exotica is like
> > making a martini with vodka. You can do it and you can enjoy it
> > but it's not quite right!
>
> and if musicians such as martin denny had "done everything right" we
> would never have gotten the exotica genre in the first place.

I agree! Things should be mixed up, I'm just stuck on the exotica
moniker. This group is called Exotica but it seems we discuss
everything under the sun that might be of interest to people who like
Exotica. This is a good thing! I'm not a purist in what I listen to,
just what I'd consider Exotica.

I remember my mother loved all the Hawaii Calls series, Les Baxter
and Denny plus the "Drums of Bora Bora". Pater was into Stan Getz,
Bossa Nova and jazz. It really seemed like two different camps and I
might add the marriage ended in divorce!


Coconut Grove, publishers of MisterLUCKY
PO Box 78146, San Francisco, CA 94107
http://www.wco.com/~coconutg/
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: orfeo negro
Date: 01 Sep 1996 17:36:08 -0400

At 11:56 PM 8/31/96 -0500, you wrote:
>On Sat, 31 Aug 1996 [e-mail] wrote:
>>
>> That's too bad, with a little bit of proper mastering, it might sound
>> better.  The score was done by BOTH Jobim and Bonfa.  I'm not sure who did
>> the vocals but I believe the actors lip-synched their songs.
>
>but i assume the background noise is intended--when i say "noise" i mean
>carnaval revellers. there has been no attempt to separate the
>foreground--the wonderful main songs--from the chaotic background of the
>carnaval.  although this makes for some unusual listening, i agree with
>the aesthetic choice involved.  the organic unity of the film is
>preserved on the soundtrack.  the "hits" are not dissected for easier
>consumption...

My mistake.  I assumed you were talking about tape hiss or any other sonic
clutter.  I've not heard the soundtrack CD, but I have seen the film twice
and have not found the background noise (on film) to be distracting.  With a
CD on the otherhand, it could very well be.  It may be that the master was
taken directly off the film instead of any studio takes they may have done
beforehand.  The most interesting approach to take would be to find an old
LP of the soundtrack, and see if you can detect carnival noise in the
background.

As far as 'hits' are concerned I'm not sure there were any and I don't
believe the film was intended that way.  Putting the "Peter Gunn"/"Mr.
Lucky"/"Route 66" exceptions aside, most films back then didn't produce
'hits' on their soundtracks.

Bryan


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: music videos (Re: Hard Days Night)
Date: 01 Sep 1996 17:40:57 -0400

At 09:35 PM 8/31/96 +0100, you wrote:
>In message , [e-mail] writes
>>1. The New York Times today called "Hard Day's Night" from 1964 the origin of
>>music videos. Did scopitones precede the movie? Or are they right?
>
>well there were short promotional films made for jazz/danceband tunes
>going way back into the 30s/40s, which apparently used to be viewable on
>special "film jukebox" type machines (were these called Scopitones? I
>know not),

I believe they were called 'soundies', small film machines that you would
put a penny or a nickle in at a diner or a bar, and watch 3-4 minutes of an
artist at work.  Nat King Cole, 'Fats' Waller, Ellington, Basie and Helen
O'Connell come to mind.

Bryan


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From: PooTGuRl <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: new member
Date: 01 Sep 1996 16:04:28 -0700

At 01:49 PM 9/1/96 -0700, Daivd asks:

> I'm currently looking for an LP of Mr. Lucky Goes Latin, does anyone know if
> it has been released on CD?

I don't think it is.  Mr. Lucky isn't either.  But!  They are certainly not
rare items and pop up on "for sale" lists, in used record stores or
ocassionally in thrift shop bins.


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From: [e-mail] (Keith Doyle)
Subject: Re: "Suspiria" (Dario Argento soundtrack)
Date: 01 Sep 1996 16:21:30 PDT

The Goblins did a few albums in the '70s, including the Suspiria soundtrack
which was at the time available, as I bought the album when it came out
back then based on another record by The Goblins that I had at the time.
I never saw the movie, but have always liked the soundtrack.  I have no
idea what the current availability of the soundtrack might be, even in the
'70s it was an import record.

Keith Doyle
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From: "kevin king" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: new member
Date: 01 Sep 1996 19:23:14 -0500

> > I'm currently looking for an LP of Mr. Lucky Goes Latin, does anyone know if
> > it has been released on CD?
>

It was released a couple of years ago on BMG Victor Japan
(BMGV046173) .  Price is around 35 dollars!


kevin

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: new member
Date: 01 Sep 1996 19:32:16 -0400

In a message dated 96-09-01 19:14:04 EDT, you write:

>> I'm currently looking for an LP of Mr. Lucky Goes Latin, does anyone know
>if
>> it has been released on CD?
>
>I don't think it is.  Mr. Lucky isn't either.  But!  They are certainly not
>rare items and pop up on "for sale" lists, in used record stores or
>ocassionally in thrift shop bins.
>
>
>

For those CD-ophiles out ther, "Mr. Lucky Goes Latin" is out in Japan -
probably at the low price of $33.00!!!!
Regards
Ashley


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: orfeo negro
Date: 01 Sep 1996 20:59:05 -0400

It's hard to imagine Orfeo Negro without the incidental "noise" of the crowd
and carnaval.  "It throbs with life and with the rhythms of carnaval in Rio,"
read the liner notes and its hard to disagree. As for the "different rhythms"
they might have something to do with the Macumba tradition and serve as a
reminder of the gods that
plot the fate of the doomed couple, in this case African gods rather than
Greek. The debut of Antonio Carlos Jobim, Luis Bonfa, and Joao Gilberto as
well as the entire Bossa Nova genre can be traced back to this recording.  As
for the "hits", songs like "Manha de Carnaval" have become cliche, added to
the performing repertoire of countless "artists" and therefore indispensable
as far as the Exotica aficionado is concerned.  But don't take my word for
it; refer to the liners: "this recording will summon up the exciting scenes
of surging crowds dancing in the streets, the lovers
alone on their hilltop greeting the rising sun, the half-pagan(!),
half-religious processions, the extroadinary range of color and costuming(?).
 It bring to your turntable an exotic and moving musical experience that only
records can convey,".

Amen to that!
Maravillo

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From: sberry <[e-mail]>
Subject: Organs & Bongos
Date: 01 Sep 1996 17:59:56 -0700 (PDT)

> >    My goal is to open up a "tiki lounge" in Seattle in a year or so with
> >live
> > music and cigars...I'm also associated with a small quarterly zine called
> > Organ and Bongos, a "periodical guide to today's cocktail culture". It's a
> > free publication and anyone interested can write to Organ and Bongos, PO
> Box
> > 20396, Seattle, Wa 98102

This zine is really cool, although I haven't seen any new issues since
their first issue. Are there new issues available? If you are into lounge
culture, this zine is a must!

Sean

_________________________________________________________________________
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               *A Gear Report From Evan Of The Boss Martians
**Out October 1st**    *Man Or Astroman?, The Mono Men, And The Makers
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: trends in exotica?
Date: 01 Sep 1996 21:43:58 -0400

I saw this on the Flamenco mailing list (although I'm not sure they'd be too
happy to get quoted here!) it's from the Sunday New York Times.:

"You know a song has been around the block when the Vice President threatens
to dance it on national TV and happy delegates to the Democratic and
Republican conventions have already given themselves up to it on the floor.
     Since 1993, when the Macarena first came out in Spain, it has topped the
charts in Europe, Latin America, and the US. It has also taken its place
among all the popular songs in the world that are mouthed by millions who
haven't the foggiest idea what they are singing!
     The Macarena began when a Venezuelan flamenco dancer so dazzled the
Spanish singer Antonio Romero that he yelled out: "Dale a tu cuerpo alegria,
Macarena" (Give your body joy, Macarena) and then egged her on "Que tu cuerpo
es par [sic] dar alegria y cosa buena"  (Your body is to be given joy and
good things [sic]).  More risque lyrics and a pulsing beat followed and an
international phenomenon was born.
     Since then the song has sparked a line dance craze that shows no signs
of letting up.  There are "Macarena nights" at ballparks.  At weddings and on
cruiseships, it is a staple."

So grab as much Macarena merchandise as you can, this stuff might be worth
something one day!  "There's gold in them thar CD's!"

  Original poster was [e-mail] to [e-mail] who went
on to add:
      'By the way Macarena is...nothing but a vain girl who wants to cheat on
her boyfriend.  What could be a more appropriate song for a political
convention, or for that matter, a wedding?'

Maybe one day, Macarena bars will spring up and old & used Macarena cd's will
line thrift store bins, providing an expensive diversion to fanatical
collectors.  Who knows?

Perchance to dream,
Maravillo

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From: [e-mail] (Jack Fetterman)
Subject: Re: new member
Date: 02 Sep 1996 01:54:38 GMT


>At 01:49 PM 9/1/96 -0700, Daivd asks:
>
>> I'm currently looking for an LP of Mr. Lucky Goes Latin, does anyone
know if
>
>> it has been released on CD?
>
>I don't think it is.  Mr. Lucky isn't either.  But!  They are certainly
not
>rare items and pop up on "for sale" lists, in used record stores or
>ocassionally in thrift shop bins.

yes! don't give up on those vinyl bins! there is still a lot to find!
street fairs, flea markets,
thrift/antique shops, yard sales, etc. and don't hesitate to gamble a buck
on that cover that looks intriguing, but you never heard of it. here's the
fun of it!

jack

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From: "Jim Gerwitz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Rahsaan Roland Kirk
Date: 01 Sep 1996 19:04:58 -0700

Rhino has just released a $20 video of RRK at the '72 Montreaux Jazz
Festival called "Rahsaan Roland Kirk, The One Man Twins."  Only 50 minutes
long (c'mon Rhino!), but nevertheless a good look at an amazing  musician,
now deceased, who I had the great fortune to see live quite a few times.

I nominate him for the nose flute chair in this list's Exotica All-Star
Orchestra.  In the tape he plays three reeds simultaneously (using one for
a drone), duets with himself on flute and nose flute, plays the pitchpipe,
passes around perfume (or something) for the audience to smell, walks
through the audience blowing his sax (unmiked unfortunately) and busts up a
chair and pounds it on the floor, just for the hell of it.

Gimmicks, schmimmicks, this cat was out there,  and it's musicians like
Rahsaan that make music so much goddam fun.

Jim G

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From: "David M. Tobin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: new member
Date: 01 Sep 1996 22:21:41 -0700

Actually Mr. Lucky is available on CD, although I do prefer my vinyl version
of it...I do spend a lot of time rumaging through old record bins, unfortunetely
most of the albums I do find are in such poor condition, including the copy of
Mr. L. goes latin which I have...
At 01:54 AM 9/2/96 GMT, you wrote:
>
>>At 01:49 PM 9/1/96 -0700, Daivd asks:
>>
>>> I'm currently looking for an LP of Mr. Lucky Goes Latin, does anyone
>know if
>>
>>> it has been released on CD?
>>
>>I don't think it is.  Mr. Lucky isn't either.  But!  They are certainly
>not
>>rare items and pop up on "for sale" lists, in used record stores or
>>ocassionally in thrift shop bins.
>
>yes! don't give up on those vinyl bins! there is still a lot to find!
>street fairs, flea markets,
>thrift/antique shops, yard sales, etc. and don't hesitate to gamble a buck
>on that cover that looks intriguing, but you never heard of it. here's the
>fun of it!
>
>jack
>
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From: [e-mail] (Jack Diamond)
Subject: Martin Denny's Sound
Date: 01 Sep 1996 19:34:03 +0000

What 5 albums should I get to start out with ?

>2.  Martin Denny.  Any album, because they mostly sound alike to me
(being a novice exotician myself, please don't hate me),

He's the granddaddy of it all in my book.

OK, I won't hate you;))))))))))))))))))))))))
IMHO he's the godfather and Les Baxter is the Grand Daddy.
True, all of his earlier albums do have a similar sound as the formula
works!!! AND isn't that true of any great artist who does have "a sound" ?

Scamp has his 1st 2 records on one CD that starts out with "the hit" tht
put him "on the map", Les Baxter's original composition of Quiet Village 3
years aftyer its initial release and they also have Afro-Desia which is
really from outer space, oh boy is it!!
Just might be his best record EVER!!!

Then there is Rhino's Best of put out a couple of years ago but the Scamp
Remastering is un_be_lieve-a-ble, imho ;) GET IT NOW

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From: [e-mail] (Jack Diamond)
Subject: EXOTICA
Date: 01 Sep 1996 19:39:49 +0000

>> 1.  Antonio Carlos Jobim.
>> 2.  Martin Denny.  Any album, because they mostly sound alike to me
>> 3.  Combustible Edison.>
>> 4.  Cocktail Mix Vol 2: Martini Madness.
>> 5.  Kraftwerk- "Autobahn."

>I found this list a bit confusing...
>> I throw this in mainly to stir up
>> dissent.  Let's not get too "precious" about what constitutes
>> exotica.  There's a bunch of cool, atmospheric electronic stuff out
>> there that shouldn't be overlooked (W. Carlos, Brian Eno, Tangerine
>> Dream, etc.).

Like I always say, "Lounge Schmounge".  The industry wouldn't know real
lounge if it came up and kissed them on the cheek

Exotica, Lounge, Cocktail...are just catch phrases.
It really doesn't have anything to do with anything except sales of course

Sure, Martin Denny and Les Baxter and Yma Sumac and whoever else are
Exotica BUT Esquivel does some mind boggling "Exotica" too doesn't he ?

I've never considered him to be "Exotica"

Know what I mean ? ;)))))))))))))))))))))))

Alot of you guys and gals are listening to alot of _real jazz_ too ;)
It doesn't have to be hard bop Blue Note record label music to be _real
jazz_ y'know;)

That Jack McDuff on Rhino's 3 CD Cocktail Mix is _real jazz_ and it ain't
Cocktail, Lounge or Exotica.  It's pure beautiful jazz music.

Wanna know about other beautiful, funky, melodic, pop, jazz music ?
Drop me a line

Bye for now,
Jack



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From: [e-mail] (Jack Diamond)
Subject: Suspiria Soundtrack
Date: 01 Sep 1996 19:40:03 +0000

>Subject: "Suspiria" (Dario Argento soundtrack)
>
>I just saw this spooky 1977 film last night and it had one pretty weird
>soundtrack done by a group called The Goblins.  Anybody know anything about
>them.  How about any Argento soundtracks from his other horror films?
>Anyone know anything about them?

Nope, BUT a vinyl soundtrack of it was released in 1977 ;))

Go get it

"Record collecting is no mere hobby, no leisurely
innocuous diversion.  It's a feverish passion
bordering on dementia, driving those under its
influence including myself, to irrational,
compulsive and sometimes fanatical extremes."
3-93  Jack Diamond

Bye for now,
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From: [e-mail] (Jack Diamond)
Subject: Re: Mono and Hi-Fi.
Date: 01 Sep 1996 19:56:00 +0000

(or else it is a
>misleading title ;-) )

Scott,

No it did come out in stereo with the same title.
Hi-Fi was alot more than simply being Mono.

In fact "everything" before stereo WAS mono.  It may not have been
_Hi-Fidelity_ which is somethig all together different ;)

High Fidelity is just that.  To the extremes of Highs, Lows and Mid-Range
and everything in between

What preceded Hi Fidelity was super low fidelity in the form of 78's.
VERY Lo Fi.
For what they are though, 78's are good ;)

Generally, I buy mono only if all
>that is available

Great!

Most people don't realize that a great record is a great record worth
having _even_ if it's in Mono.

I think though it is great that soooooo many people have "discovered" this
stuff, a really sad part is that they won't buy mono records.
That's insane !

"They" really do think that they will find a Stereo copy some day and that
just ain't true.

I've had _way too many_ misses on the stereo copy of something or other.

Plenty of records that I have only seen once and in mono are in my
collection, thank god;))

A warning here from many years of tears in 1 way or another from me and
vinyl is don't pass on a mono record if that's all there is.

You just may never see it again, period;)

Sincerely,
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: orfeo negro
Date: 02 Sep 1996 00:46:15 -0400

Wow!  One posting with two of my all-time fave flicks and soundtracks!
 "Orfeo Negro" was released during my early adolescence (thirty-something
years later, I'm in my mid-adolescence), right before my family moved to the
Philippines, and I spent the next twenty-five years trying to find the
soundtrack.

I knew a few people who had it, but they wouldn't part with it for anything,
despite having "played the grooves out of it"  Seems all of us had some kind
of emotional trauma connected with this music, and just couldn't imagine
anything providing balm for the wound like this music could.

I found my first copy of the soundtrack just a few years ago, while driving
from New York to Houston.  Stopped in Washington so my companion could hit
the used book stores there, and while I was absent-mindedly flipping through
a bin of LPs, was stunned to find a mint condition "Black Orpheus"
LP--plastic wrapper and all!

Three whole dollars!  I thought I'd have to pay fifty or sixty if I could
ever find it!

Only a few months later, doing the used record route with some friends in
Houston, I came across the only other copy of "Black Orpheus" that I've ever
seen in the wild.  It wasn't mint, but it was very good, no visible
scratches, virtually no wear on the jacket, and for just six dollars!  My
wildest adolescent fantasies had been far surpassed!  I owned not one, but
TWO fabulous copies of "Black Orpheus."

"Phaedra" seems to be one of those admirable attempts at commercialized
artistry that film makers were notorious for in the sixties.  Good flick, as
I recall it.  But it's the soundtrack that really made it memorable for me.
 There's some genuinely ravishing music on that LP, and even though the theme
seems kinda cheesy to me nowadays, it still has a special place in my heart

Tony Perkins' painful, demented rant at the end of the album still raises
every hair on my head when I hear it!  And Melina Mercouri's husky voice will
always seem the very embodiment of luscious Greek femininity.

The kicker?  Despite my love of these two collections of music, I can't
answer any of your questions about "Black Orpheus."  However, your having
asked them has piqued my interest once again, so when I get any answers, I'll
reply.

Thanks for provoking such memories!
Beau

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From: [e-mail] (Jack Fetterman)
Subject: Re: EXOTICA
Date: 02 Sep 1996 05:17:34 GMT

On Sep 01, 1996 19:39:49, '[e-mail] (Jack Diamond)' wrote:


>Like I always say, "Lounge Schmounge".  The industry wouldn't know real
>lounge if it came up and kissed them on the cheek
>
>Exotica, Lounge, Cocktail...are just catch phrases.
>It really doesn't have anything to do with anything except sales of course

>
>Sure, Martin Denny and Les Baxter and Yma Sumac and whoever else are
>Exotica BUT Esquivel does some mind boggling "Exotica" too doesn't he ?
>
>I've never considered him to be "Exotica"
>
>Know what I mean ? ;)))))))))))))))))))))))

i'm not sure what is meant by "lounge" either, but space-age bachelor pad
music and exotica have proved to be useful terms in discussions with other
music collecting maniacs.

i refer to the byron werner interview, "the trend that never was, space-age
bachelor pad music," first printed in the second issue of audio
carpaetorium and later reprinted in "cad, a handbook for heels." herein
byron lays the ground rules for what qualifies as sabpm, naming esquivel as
the main component. i would place "exotica" as a subset of sabpm as byron
includes a martin denny discogrophy in his recommended listening section. i
believe that "exotica" was also acknowledged as a marketing buzz word back
when it was happening. i find numerous records in my collection that use
the term as a way of appealing to a certain segment of the record buying
market in the album titles.

i see only good things happenning from relating more contemporary music to
"exotica" influences, but i think including them is confusing things. maybe
you need a new term, like neo-exotica (yucch...well at least i tried.).

jack (small j)

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: trends in exotica?
Date: 02 Sep 1996 01:56:33 -0400

In a message dated 96-09-01 21:49:30 EDT, you write:

>Maybe one day, Macarena bars will spring up and old & used Macarena cd's
will
>line thrift store bins, providing an expensive diversion to fanatical
>collectors.  Who knows?

Let's hope not...by the way if there's ever a reason not to vote for the
Democrats this election it is because of their taste in music...The Macarena
and tunes from Chicago YEEEEAAAAACCCCHHHH!!!!

Ashley
>Perchance to dream,
>Maravillo



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From: [e-mail] (Keith Doyle)
Subject: Re: orfeo negro
Date: 01 Sep 1996 23:06:06 PDT

The one thing I heard about Black Orpheus, is that it's much better
to see the subtitled version, rather than the dubbed version because
the original Portugese adds much to the character of the film, and
how often do you get to hear Portugese anyway?  Unfortunately, I've only
ever been able to find the dubbed version on video.

Keith Doyle
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Keith Doyle)
Subject: Re: fave 5ive / Adamson / Eddy / Heatherton
Date: 02 Sep 1996 00:11:27 PDT


Duane Eddy was also known for his version of Peter Gunn, and
came back into the limelight somewhat a few years ago to do a
version of this song with the group Art of Noise.  Though
frankly, I don't find his Peter Gunn particularly differentiated
from the Mancini version, I think his other "twangy guitar" works
are more significant, by far.

Keith Doyle
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From: [e-mail] (Jill Mingo)
Subject: Re: trends in exotica?
Date: 02 Sep 1996 05:38:26 -0600 (MDT)


>Let's hope not...by the way if there's ever a reason not to vote for the
>Democrats this election it is because of their taste in music...The Macarena
>and tunes from Chicago YEEEEAAAAACCCCHHHH!!!!
>
>Ashley

Hey, let's not even start getting political here. The fact that someone on
this list could even joke about the possiblity of voting Republican after
the 12 years of destruction they inflicted on the US public, for which every
American is paying for today; despite the half-hearted efforts of Bill
Clinton to undo the damage, really puts a dark cloud over my day... and I
don't even live in America anymore.

Let's leave out politics, shall we?

Thanks.

Jill




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From: [e-mail] (Jill Mingo)
Subject: Re: Martin Denny's Sound
Date: 02 Sep 1996 05:33:08 -0600 (MDT)

>What 5 albums should I get to start out with ?
>
>>2.  Martin Denny.  Any album, because they mostly sound alike to me
>(being a novice exotician myself, please don't hate me),
>
>He's the granddaddy of it all in my book.
>
>OK, I won't hate you;))))))))))))))))))))))))
>IMHO he's the godfather and Les Baxter is the Grand Daddy.

Yes, I would agree with this. Les Baxter "invented" (not literally) the
sound. Denny popularised it by doing it so well!

Strangely, no one has mentioned "the Exotic Sounds of Les Baxter" as a
starting point to exotica. This would be number one on my list.

>Scamp also have Afro-Desia which is really from outer space, oh boy is it!!
>Just might be his best record EVER!!!

YES, YES, YES!!! I think Afro-Desia is perhaps Denny's best. This LP is
perfect through and through.

Spot on, Jack.

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From: [e-mail] (Jack Fetterman)
Subject: Re: trends in exotica?
Date: 02 Sep 1996 14:09:07 GMT

>Let's leave out politics, shall we?
>
>Thanks.
>
>Jill

i agree wholeheartedly, on the other hand you stated:

>"The fact that someone on this list could even joke about the possiblity
of voting >Republican after the 12 years of destruction they inflicted on
the US public, for which >every American is paying for today."

i urge you to refrain from such nonsensical statements, because i am here
to discuss music, and have no desire to debate politics. on the other hand,
it is difficult to let something like this pass without comment (exactly
what you claim to wish to avoid).

i think ashley's comment about the aesthetics of the clinton administration
had very little to do with politics.

jack

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From: "kevin king" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: convention aesthetics
Date: 02 Sep 1996 10:23:42 -0500

> .by the way if there's ever a reason not to vote for the
> Democrats this election it is because of their taste in music...The Macarena
> and tunes from Chicago YEEEEAAAAACCCCHHHH!!!!

Oh yeah, much worse than the splendiforous sounds croaked out by that
group of singing Republican senators, and that ever so hip side band
featuring a prominently displayed black band leader.  Please!  (Oops!
was that an aesthetic or political comment?)  The aesthetics WERE the
politics in those conventions.  A turkey carcass with all the
trimmings.

kevin

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: trends in exotica?
Date: 02 Sep 1996 11:40:56 -0400

In a message dated 96-09-02 07:42:17 EDT, you write:

>>Let's hope not...by the way if there's ever a reason not to vote for the
>>Democrats this election it is because of their taste in music...The
Macarena
>>and tunes from Chicago YEEEEAAAAACCCCHHHH!!!!
>>
>>Ashley
>
>Hey, let's not even start getting political here. The fact that someone on
>this list could even joke about the possiblity of voting Republican after
>the 12 years of destruction they inflicted on the US public, for which every

>American is paying for today; despite the half-hearted efforts of Bill
>Clinton to undo the damage, really puts a dark cloud over my day... and I
>don't even live in America anymore.
>
>Let's leave out politics, shall we?
>
>Thanks.
>
>Jill
>


Agreed Jill - Lest this little joke be interpreted as a political message let
me make it clear to suggest that people do not vote for a certain party based
on musical tastes is plain stupid.

regards
Ashley

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From: [e-mail] (Jack Fetterman)
Subject: Re: trends in exotica?
Date: 02 Sep 1996 15:48:52 GMT

>Let's leave out politics, shall we?
>
>Thanks.
>
>Jill

i agree wholeheartedly, on the other hand you stated:

>"The fact that someone on this list could even joke about the possiblity
of voting >Republican after the 12 years of destruction they inflicted on
the US public, for which >every American is paying for today."

i urge you to refrain from such nonsensical statements, because i am here
to discuss music, and have no desire to debate politics. on the other hand,
it is difficult to let something like this pass without comment (exactly
what you claim to wish to avoid).

i think ashley's comment about the aesthetics of the clinton administration
had very little to do with politics.

jack

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: convention aesthetics
Date: 02 Sep 1996 12:04:10 -0400

In a message dated 96-09-02 10:32:05 EDT, you write:

>> .by the way if there's ever a reason not to vote for the
>> Democrats this election it is because of their taste in music...The
>Macarena
>> and tunes from Chicago YEEEEAAAAACCCCHHHH!!!!
>
>Oh yeah, much worse than the splendiforous sounds croaked out by that
>group of singing Republican senators, and that ever so hip side band
>featuring a prominently displayed black band leader.  Please!  (Oops!
>was that an aesthetic or political comment?)  The aesthetics WERE the
>politics in those conventions.  A turkey carcass with all the
>trimmings.
>
>kevin
>


Pleeeeaaassseee everyone!!! This statement was not intended as a political
statement!!!

It was rather to bring to light in a humorous way (although it seemed it was
not made clear enough to avoid misinterpretation) how interesting something
so important to the lives of everyone on this list - music - is now being
used as a defining element and statement for our political parties. That's
how powerful music is - and I think we all recognize it.

 I was merely trying to use a bit of humor say that regardless of a person's
race, creed or political affiliation - my record collection must remain a
Macarena and Chicago free zone!


With sincerest apologies to anyone's political sensibilities I may have
unintentionally offended
Ashley


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From: "Laura Taylor" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Bozo Engagement
Date: 02 Sep 1996 12:03:24 -0400

                      RE>>Bozo Engagement                          9/2/96

Again, congrats, and I will set my VCR...Hey, better keep a zipped lip...what
if terry has friends on the 'net?
Paranoid as usual,
LOUNGE LAURA



Just Thought I'd Let Everyone Know Dept:

    My girlfriend Terry and I are flying out to Chicago this
     Thursday night to attend a taping of "The Bozo Show" on
    which, unbeknowst to Terry, we are going to get engaged.

    The producer tells me that the show will air in mid
    November for those of you who want to watch an easily
    flustered woman freak out on TV, surrounded by screaming
    kids and a giant clown be sure to tune in.

    We plan on checking out Second City on Saturday night
    but if anyone else could suggest any other cool things
    to see and do it would be greatly appreciated.


Listening to Cleve's version of "Dreamland",

              Patrick

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From: [e-mail] (Huge Graphics)
Subject: Re: new member
Date: 02 Sep 1996 09:04:43 -0700

>In a message dated 96-09-01 13:58:57 EDT, you write:
>
>> Hello all!
>>    Being a new member to this mailing list I wanted to introduce myself...
>> My name is David Tobin and I have a strong interest in what could be called
>> "latin exotica".  I enjoy anything from obscure Tito Puente to Henry
>>Mancini...
>> I'm currently looking for an LP of Mr. Lucky Goes Latin, does anyone know
>if
>>
>> it has been released on CD?
>>    My goal is to open up a "tiki lounge" in Seattle in a year or so with
>>live
>> music and cigars...I'm also associated with a small quarterly zine called
>> Organ and Bongos, a "periodical guide to today's cocktail culture". It's a
>> free publication and anyone interested can write to Organ and Bongos, PO
>Box
>> 20396, Seattle, Wa 98102
>>
>>
>
>Sounds great - just cut out the stinky cigar part - cigar smoking has become
>the Lambada of '96.

Cigars...but they're really hip!! You know..."Look at me...look at me - I'm
smokin' a stogie!!! Hey, everybody look at me!"

David



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: convention aesthetics
Date: 02 Sep 1996 12:26:46 -0400

In a message dated 96-09-02 12:17:17 EDT, you write:

<< With sincerest apologies to anyone's political sensibilities I may have
 unintentionally offended
 Ashley >>
hmmm-
I don't know Ashley, judging from all the responses, I'd have to say
political sensibilities is an oxymoron!
Maravillo

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: new member
Date: 02 Sep 1996 12:28:32 -0400

In a message dated 96-09-02 12:20:20 EDT, you write:

<< Cigars...but they're really hip!! You know..."Look at me...look at me -
I'm
 smokin' a stogie!!! Hey, everybody look at me!"

 David >>
or better yet- just stack packs of gitanes
Maravillo

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From: "Laura Taylor" <[e-mail]>
Subject: the shaggs
Date: 02 Sep 1996 12:33:42 -0400

I have an urgent question about the Shaggs, but I don't want it published en
masse right away(sounds serious, huh?)
If you are an expert-please write me at:
[e-mail]
thanks...anxiously,
Lounge Laura
"It's just my nature to do weird stuff..."
and please leave me your e-mail address in return!


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: ad music
Date: 02 Sep 1996 12:38:35 -0400

dunno if this is a question better suited for the cowabunga list, but does
anyone know who does the music to that Levi's fifth pocket commercial(the one
with the pool cleaner and the Goldfinger/Live and Let Die bad guys).  It
sounds like the Shadows set to a jungle groove.
just curious,
Maravillo

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From: "kevin king" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: convention aesthetics
Date: 02 Sep 1996 12:40:45 -0500

> It was rather to bring to light in a humorous way (although it seemed it was
> not made clear enough to avoid misinterpretation) how interesting something
> so important to the lives of everyone on this list - music - is now being
> used as a defining element and statement for our political parties. That's
> how powerful music is - and I think we all recognize it.

Yes!  agreed.  No offense taken at all, and there's absolutely no
need to apologize.  I was just over-reacting to an apparent
misinterpretation of a response to your post.  Aesthetics and
politics are NOT intrinsically separate (at a convention? hah!), as
you state above.


kevin

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From: [e-mail] (D. Scott Springer)
Subject: Re: Baxter
Date: 02 Sep 1996 18:51:40 GMT



>Strangely, no one has mentioned "the Exotic Sounds of Les Baxter" as a
>starting point to exotica. This would be number one on my list.

I agree. What is perhaps so amazing about Baxter is that not only was
(imho) the founding father of exotica, he also went on to compose an
incredible variety of soundtracks.  While Sacred Idol is clearly in the
realm of exotica, Cry of the Banshee has echoes of Bartok or Schoenberg,
and Master of the World has numerous Ravelian flourishes.  If only we were
able to hear some of the others that American International never
released...

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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Ethel Smith
Date: 02 Sep 1996 14:54:36 -0400

>Is any of her other vinyl this fun?

yes, particularly the later "Hit Party" LP of songs like "Spanish Flea." Go
by the cheesiness; only a couple are dreary/reverent.

>Don't remember seeing her mentioned here.

guilty

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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Two Questions
Date: 02 Sep 1996 15:05:48 -0400

At 09:06 PM 8/30/96 -0400, you wrote:
>1. The New York Times today called "Hard Day's Night" from 1964 the origin of
>music videos.

That's stupid of them to say, unqualified. They mean the first that had a
mass audience or something. Promotional music performances (outside of movie
and TV contexts) were recorded earlier, probably much. (Have medium, will
exploit.)

>Did scopitones precede the movie? Or are they right?

Scopitones started in the 50s (and were 16mm films that played in jukeboxes).

>2. Heard a beautiful cut by Francoise Hardy from an album called "Alone"

And dig the gator suit on the jacket.


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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: What is Exotica (Re: Intro!)
Date: 02 Sep 1996 15:31:16 -0400

>Without being precious, Exotica is a genre of music.

Being precious, the musical idiom is characterized by:

* evocation of Oceana (Polynesia, Melanesia, Micronesia, SE Asia), and to a
lesser extent South America and Africa/Araby
* simulated bird calls, surf sounds, conch shells, chanting, and "chant"
drumming
* [sirenish] abstract female vocals
* authentic, often obscure percussion instruments

Popularized by:

[Ravel, for "Bolero"]
Les Baxter
Martin Denny, Arthur Lyman, Augie Colon
Gene Rains Group
Webley Edwards
The Surfmen (aka South Sea Serenaders, a stellar Denny knock-off group)
Yma Sumac (though never evocative of Oceana)
and many others; jazz and Latin exponents contributed essential material

Epitomized by:

Les Baxter's "Quiet Village"
Duke Ellington's "Caravan" (actually appropriated from Juan Cisel)
Lecuona's "Taboo"
old Greek song "Misirlou"
Xavier Cugat's "Nightingale"


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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: Tron LP-Wendy Carlos-found/4sale
Date: 02 Sep 1996 15:55:58 -0400

Who wanted Wendy Carlos's "Tron" soundtrack, please write: [e-mail].

Tony "Passive Seeker" Wilds


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Two Questions
Date: 02 Sep 1996 16:04:45 -0400

I think they were probably referring to music video providing an "incidental"
visual to coincide with the song, rather than performance recordings which I
believe were the Scopitones.  You know, more like a little movie and less
like a concert.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: What is Exotica (Re: Intro!)
Date: 02 Sep 1996 16:08:23 -0400

In a message dated 96-09-02 15:37:05 EDT, you write:

<< Duke Ellington's "Caravan" (actually appropriated from Juan Cisel)
 Lecuona's "Taboo" >>
do you mean Juan Tizol?

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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Caravan authorship
Date: 02 Sep 1996 17:00:22 -0400

At 04:08 PM 9/2/96 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 96-09-02 15:37:05 EDT, you write:
>
>>Duke Ellington's "Caravan" (actually appropriated from Juan Cisel)

>do you mean Juan Tizol?

Yes, if Tizol was contemporary with the song's authorship.

Learned this from "Hoppy" of Baltimore's Mambo Combo. (I have more faith in
his drumming than his spelling or my hearing and memory.) Despite the great
Ellington's later Caravan-ish explorations, I never did believe that the
Duke composed it. Now, who was the first to lyricize it?


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: new member
Date: 02 Sep 1996 17:42:18 -0400 (EDT)

>In a message dated 96-09-02 12:20:20 EDT, you write:
>
><< Cigars...but they're really hip!! You know..."Look at me...look at me -
>I'm
> smokin' a stogie!!! Hey, everybody look at me!"
>
> David >>
>or better yet- just stack packs of gitanes
>Maravillo
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Or you could just light your hair on fire...Not only do you draw far more
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From: PooTGuRl <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: convention aesthetics
Date: 02 Sep 1996 14:43:15 -0700


>With sincerest apologies to anyone's political sensibilities I may have
>unintentionally offended
>Ashley


Ashley..

Absolutely no offense taken.  I learned a long time ago not to be so F&*#ing
thin skinned about things like that.  Keep up the good work Mr. Scamp!


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From: basic hip <[e-mail]>
Subject: two french guys
Date: 02 Sep 1996 15:11:37 -0700

hi....

A nice thrift store find:  Presenting Popp!  Andre Popp and his Orchestra on
Columbia's Adventures in Sound.  Andre Popp is the Delirium in Hi-Fi guy.
Calls himself Elsa Popping on that one.  Oops!  Almost forgot the
martians....the Pixieland Band.  This one is pretty cool, but does not
contain the weird tape manipulations and backward recordings found on
Delirium.  Kind of cartoony music - Jack calls Andre Popp the French Esquivel.

Another French composer that I like is Roger Roger.  He worked with Andre
Popp and is from the "same school".  Has a CD out called Grands Travaux.
Pleasing, light, happy "production" music.  Makes you smile.


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From: "Douglas Newlands" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Organs & Bongos
Date: 02 Sep 1996 20:32:57 UT

Please make  your tiki place all ages, if possible.

    thank you


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: trends in exotica?
Date: 02 Sep 1996 18:41:49 -0400

At 01:56 AM 9/2/96 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 96-09-01 21:49:30 EDT, you write:
>
>>Maybe one day, Macarena bars will spring up and old & used Macarena cd's
>will
>>line thrift store bins, providing an expensive diversion to fanatical
>>collectors.  Who knows?
>
>Let's hope not...by the way if there's ever a reason not to vote for the
>Democrats this election it is because of their taste in music...The Macarena
>and tunes from Chicago YEEEEAAAAACCCCHHHH!!!!
>
>Ashley
>>Perchance to dream,
>>Maravillo


The 'Macarena' will go the way the 'Achy-Breaky' went, into
oblivion.....(yes!)

That always seems to happen when you see establishment figures like TV news
anchors, sports figures and politicians do it.  Dumb, dumb, dumb...

Bryan


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Baxter
Date: 02 Sep 1996 18:48:57 -0400

At 06:51 PM 9/2/96 GMT, you wrote:

>I agree. What is perhaps so amazing about Baxter is that not only was
>(imho) the founding father of exotica, he also went on to compose an
>incredible variety of soundtracks.  While Sacred Idol is clearly in the
>realm of exotica, Cry of the Banshee has echoes of Bartok or Schoenberg,
>and Master of the World has numerous Ravelian flourishes.  If only we were
>able to hear some of the others that American International never
>released...
>
>Scott
>

The music Les did for Capitol is one thing, but those American-International
soundtracks are another.  Arkoff and Nicholson used Les Baxter on many of
their film soundtracks, that may never see the light of day on CD.  It's a
real shame too.

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From: [e-mail] (Clark Scheffy)
Subject: Goblin (was Suspiria)
Date: 02 Sep 1996 16:12:11 PDT

I know very little about Goblin, but I can add mystery to the discussion...
I am aware of at least 4 albums by the group.  In addition, the lead member
whose name i don't remember has alsr released a couple of albums under his
name.  All of the records are extremely difficult to find and command high
prices at the collector's stores, especially from Prog fanatics.  The stuff
is some of the best rock / soundtrack type material I've ever heard and I sure
wish I could get my hands on some of it...  Maybe there's someone on the list
from Italy who can say if any of it is still in print over there?  I don't
think any of Goblin's material was released ever released in the US.

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From: Paul Lewis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Couple finds...
Date: 02 Sep 1996 20:13:05 -0400 (EDT)


Found a couple things over the weekend:

Enoch Light:  Discotheque
  Saw a discussion of this a while back.  Is it good?  Worth anything?

Betty Harris (?) with Enoch Light Orchestra
  78 with two songs:  That Doggie in the Window and Your Cheatin' Heart
  are these common?

Thanks,
Paul

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From: Paul Lewis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Commercial
Date: 02 Sep 1996 20:20:45 -0400 (EDT)


Anyone else see the Lays potato chip commercial with the
loungey/exotica-type soundtrack?  Anyone know what it is?


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From: [e-mail] (Jack Fetterman)
Subject: Re: Goblin (was Suspiria)
Date: 03 Sep 1996 00:00:58 GMT

the george romero/dario argento masterpiece "dawn of the dead" is one of my
most worn out videos. the soundtrack is smashing and yeah, another by
goblin. the vinyl is varese sarabande vc 81106.

jack

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From: [e-mail] (Jill Mingo)
Subject: Re: trends in exotica?
Date: 02 Sep 1996 18:13:56 -0600 (MDT)


>Agreed Jill - Lest this little joke be interpreted as a political message let
>me make it clear to suggest that people do not vote for a certain party based
>on musical tastes is plain stupid.
>
>regards
>Ashley
>

Ashley,

Yes, I knew you were joking, but the sad fact is there are people who would
vote or not vote for a political candidate over something so silly. Politics
as played by the politicians seems to go for that lowest common denominator
tactic to win votes instead of concentrating on policies to win votes, which
is a sad statement on our society - because this ACTUALLY works, as the past
few elections prove..

It has been said that I have no sense of humour. It's just your joke made
light of a really sad situation, and it just kinda got me down. I'm OK about
it. I know it's a joke. But I'm sure you realise that there actually are
people out there that would place a vote due to a song. And it gets me
dooooownnnn...

With chin on ground 'coz I'm feelin' might low,

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From: [e-mail] (Jack Fetterman)
Subject: Re: Couple finds...
Date: 03 Sep 1996 00:18:17 GMT

On Sep 02, 1996 20:13:05, 'Paul Lewis <[e-mail]>' wrote:


>
>Found a couple things over the weekend:
>
>Enoch Light:  Discotheque

i tried to spin the "goldfinger" cut a couple of weeks ago...man, there's
NO breaks between cuts! it all runs together like one of those "concept"
albums...strange.
perhaps a precursor to contemporary club dj techniques where songs overlap.

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From: "kevin king" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: trends in exotica?
Date: 02 Sep 1996 20:59:38 -0500

> The 'Macarena' will go the way the 'Achy-Breaky' went, into
> oblivion.....(yes!)

Just be sure to hold on to those Electric Slide records!

still doin' the Smurf,
kevin

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Duane Eddy
Date: 02 Sep 1996 21:41:52 EDT

Rhino put out a two-CD set of Duane Eddy called Twang Thang
a couple of years ago.
It includes Rebel Rouser as well as two versions of Peter Gunn
(Just Duane, and with Art of Noise).
I'd recommend it, as I'm a fan of twangy gitfiddles.
I *think* Lonely Guitar is on it, but I'll have to check.
That title is awfully familiar.

Ray

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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: politix songs
Date: 02 Sep 1996 21:44:22 -0400

>there actually are people out there that would place a vote due to a song.
And it gets me dooooownnnn...

Don't let it bring you down; instead blast a corrective into the streets.
Such as...

"Flyin' high way up in the sky, just like Superman [Christopher Reeve, get
it?]. I gotta a little piece of Kryptonite, yeah, bring that guy back to land...

...Richard Nixon would like to be the King of the USA. But this generation's
hip to him, people. He's nothin' but another L-B-J." -- Country Joe & the
Fish, long before Watergate made voters hip.

There's a long tradition of political folk songs, and frankly, I'd vote for
anyone who'd play, oh, "Kick Out the Jams" on national TV. For post-election
fun, there's always "The President's Council on Psychedelic Fitness" by the
Blue Magoos. And the Fugs. For youngsters, the superb "Folk Sing" on
Bongwater's "Power of Pussy."

Macarena, Electric Boogie, Funky Boogalu, who cares? Better to twist to a
"mere" stoopit dance song than in the hot wind blown by the Grim Party of
Loathing and Cheapnis -- if only they had the self-effacement to play some
Heino, one could at least _not_ vote for the Geek Party in good conscience.
Jello Biafra in 2000.

And the beat goes on.


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: What Is Exotica?
Date: 02 Sep 1996 21:48:43 -0400

Here, here!  Well spoken!  I feel that, as long as we don't actually need to
limit our exchanges to subjects which undeniably fall under a tightly defined
description, we can gain a lot of groovy insight into what we and others are
listening to.

Don't get me wrong, though.  Dissent is important, and I enjoy examining both
(all?) sides of an argument--just so long as it doesn't become hurtful!

Lay on, MacDuff!

Beau di Audeau

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Goblin (was Suspiria)
Date: 02 Sep 1996 23:09:34 -0400

In a message dated 96-09-02 19:47:54 EDT, you write:

<<  I don't
 think any of Goblin's material was released ever released in the US.

 Clark >>

Is this the same Goblin (Italian group) that did the soundtrack to Dawn of
the Dead?

scratching my head,
Maravillo

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From: John Allen Barksdale <[e-mail]>
Subject: Hard Days Night
Date: 02 Sep 1996 23:15:01 -0400 (EDT)


    Although I've always gotten off on "Hard Days Night" there's no
way this could be the "First movie video" or whatever.  How about those
Betty Boop cartoons (c.1933) with Cab Calloway and crew.  The musicians
presence has little connection to the idea - this is definately song
plugging at an early date.
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From: [e-mail] (Keith Doyle)
Subject: Re: Hard Days Night
Date: 02 Sep 1996 20:32:26 PDT

Not only Betty Boop cartoons, but there were musical shorts
made around that time that consist strictly of shots of the
band playing a tune, not mixed with cartoons.  One particularly great
one I can recall, is "Reg Kehoe and his Marimba Queens" which
has Reg animatedly playing a string bass in amongst some 8 or so
women all playing their own marimbas.  And there's lots more,
most made in the early days of sound on film.

Keith Doyle
[e-mail]

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From: John Allen Barksdale <[e-mail]>
Subject: Author of Caravan
Date: 02 Sep 1996 23:53:53 -0400 (EDT)


    The other night I shelled out a buck for an old Nat "King" Cole
record wher they do "Caravan" and the Nat sings of the desert sands....
is this the origins of the lyrics someone asked about ?    As I recall
the Mills Bros. version is skat singing rather than regular lyrics, but
the memory here could be off.    So hepcats.....who sang the song first ?

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Author of Caravan
Date: 03 Sep 1996 03:03:45 -0400

In a message dated 96-09-02 23:57:53 EDT, you write:

<< The other night I shelled out a buck for an old Nat "King" Cole
 record wher they do "Caravan" and the Nat sings of the desert sands....
 is this the origins of the lyrics someone asked about ?    As I recall
 the Mills Bros. version is skat singing rather than regular lyrics, but
 the memory here could be off.    So hepcats.....who sang the song first ?

             Allen B.
  >>

author of song: Elligton and Tizol.  Song was written WITH the desert sand
lyrics.  Was appropriated by Rhythm Rockers, Dick Dale and others sans
lyrics, reclaimed by the Useless Playboys on Livin' Lounge with original
lyrics! it's also one of those songs that's been done a thousand times but
sounds different every time and is my nominee for best Exotica song of all
time!

Think about it! or better yet listen to it! Every version you can get your
hands on!
Maravillo

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From: mark&sarah <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: orfeo negro
Date: 03 Sep 1996 09:15:37 -0500 (CDT)

On Sun, 1 Sep 1996 [e-mail] wrote:

>
> As far as 'hits' are concerned I'm not sure there were any and I don't
> believe the film was intended that way.  Putting the "Peter Gunn"/"Mr.
> Lucky"/"Route 66" exceptions aside, most films back then didn't produce
> 'hits' on their soundtracks.
>
> Bryan

actually, both felicidade and manha de carnaval became standards.  but do
you mean actual soundtrack recordings becoming hits, or the songs
themselves?  i don't know if the actual recordings from the soundtrack
were released as singles.

mark

>
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Duane Eddy
Date: 03 Sep 1996 08:44:00 -0800

I just noticed that "Lonely Guitar" is (or was at the start of the year)
out on an import CD. Saw an add in a back issue of Golmine that
mentioned it. It wasn't cheap but it was there. If anyone is interested
I'll see if I can find the add again.

Kevin _M_ King


IN>Rhino put out a two-CD set of Duane Eddy called Twang Thang
IN>a couple of years ago.
IN>It includes Rebel Rouser as well as two versions of Peter Gunn
IN>(Just Duane, and with Art of Noise).
IN>I'd recommend it, as I'm a fan of twangy gitfiddles.
IN>I *think* Lonely Guitar is on it, but I'll have to check.
IN>That title is awfully familiar.

IN>Ray

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Subject: Re: Magazine
Date: 03 Sep 1996 08:44:02 -0800

IN>> IN>>From: [e-mail]
IN>> IN>>Subject: Adamson/Peaks/FS LPs
IN>> IN>>
IN>> IN>>1. Barry Adamson: For those who are not strictly into exotic type thin
IN>> IN>>I would urge you to check out his work as bass player with Magazine.

IN>> Well, probably "Secondhand Daylight" is my favorite and most likely to
IN>> appeal to exotica buffs, being more atmospheric than their others. Alot
IN>> of people like their first "Real Life" best and that is hard to argue
IN>> against too.

IN>Had to pipe in here.  I suppose I hold an unpopular opinion that
IN>both "The Correct Use of Soap" and the vastly underrated "Magic,
IN>Murder and the Weather" are by far their best efforts.  The latter
IN>still sounds fresh today and is probably the closest they came to
IN>anything even remotely 'exotic.'

Actually, I love both of those also especially "Correct Use..". I
also hold the probably even more unpopular opinion that Devoto's solo
and Luxuria stuff is pretty great too. And I agree that they certainly
never did anything that was "EXOTIC" just that "Secondhand Daylight" has
a kind of Cinematic grandeur and sweep that might appeal to the same
people that like alot of the Soundtrack type things.

IN>Late Blondie was more exotic, not
IN>to mention the Slits or the Raincoats (can just imagine a smooth mix
IN>of Return of the Giant Slits, Lyman, Baxter and Odyshape with just a
IN>taste of a King Tubby's reggae dub -- oooh nice!)

And maybe throw in a little Pop Group too! (Just kidding, I think,
hmm....).

Kevin _M_ King The Other Kevin King



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From: "Laura Taylor" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Dexter
Date: 03 Sep 1996 13:17:51 -0400

Does the name,if I have this right, "Dan Dexter" ring a bell?  The person of
whom I speak was one of Les Baxter's cats, but I know nothing else about him.
 Please help me in my undying quest, about the grand-daddy-o of them all,
IMHO. And forgive me if this is misguided...computer is at work, records at
home, memory degenerating daily...
Gratefully, patiently, and kindly,
Lounge Laura
[e-mail]
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From: mark&sarah <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: orfeo negro
Date: 03 Sep 1996 12:48:06 -0500 (CDT)

On Sun, 1 Sep 1996 [e-mail] wrote:

> It's hard to imagine Orfeo Negro without the incidental "noise" of the crowd
> and carnaval.  "It throbs with life and with the rhythms of carnaval in Rio,"

agreed!  i really enjoy the sounds, esp. the ones that seem to tug in an
opposite direction from the foreground music.  and to me it does
represent the fate of the lovers tied into the pulse, movement, and
finally, death, of the carnaval (ash wednesday looms darkly ahead).

> reminder of the gods that
> plot the fate of the doomed couple, in this case African gods rather than
> Greek. The debut of Antonio Carlos Jobim, Luis Bonfa, and Joao Gilberto as
> well as the entire Bossa Nova genre can be traced back to this recording.

i don't have my cds here, but wasn't joao gilberto recording bossa nova
before this film?  i'm thinking of the early recordings collected on the
(excellent, sublime, perfect) cd call the legendary joao gilberto.  i
think his earliest recordings date to 1958, and the movie was released in
1959 (or at least the soundtrack was).  again, i can't remember the dates
for certain; if these aren't right, i'm sure someone can correct them, or
i'll look them up when i get home.

but either way, gilberto's debut and orfeo negro's release occurred very
close to each other, sometime between 1957-1959.

take care,

mark


great quote from jaoa gilberto:  when asked if americans could play bossa
nove, gilberto replied, no, americans are too mathematical.  they can put
a man on the moon, but they will never learn to play bossa nova. our
guitarist friend found this quote yesterday, right before we began our
first rehearsal as, of course, an american bossa nova band (singing in
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From: [e-mail] (Jack Diamond)
Subject: The Surfmen-Exotic Island
Date: 03 Sep 1996 11:41:03 +0000

The Surfmen were not Exoticons BUT were the best of the west coast jazz/pop
studio musician scene of the 50's and 60's.
To give you a good idea as to who played on the record there was Paul
Horn-Flute, Alvino Rey-Steel Guitar,
Emil Richards-Vibes, Jack Costanzo-Bongos, Milt Holland-Percussion, Jack
Sperling-???, Rolly Bundock-Stand Up String Bass, Al Hendrickson-Electric
Guitar, Ann Stockton-Harp or Vocals(not sure on the vocals), Jimmy Rowles-
Piano, Sam Weiss-???, Gene Estes-???

Rowles, and Bundock were mainstays in Mancini's Orchestra
Alvino Rey had his own orchestra and played with Esquivel
Costanzo started out with Stan Kenton and was the 1st Bongo-ist to be
featured in a jazz orchestra(1947) and played with all the greats including
Pete Rugolo and Henry Mancini among others.
Paul Horn was a major west coast jazz man who was a big part of the Chico
Hamilton Quartet/Quintet.  Emil Richards was before he dropped acid and
went _way out_ in the 60's a terrific jazz vibe-ist.

They made 2 records on Somerset which was Alshire's budget sister label
of which the "straight ahead" exotica sound can be found on Exotic Island
and then there's much more of a Hawaiiana sound on a record called (I
believe) Sounds of Hawaii.
The former IMHO is THE real killer though .  They don't really get toooo
tribal and rockin', the sound is very smooth and quite nice.
Purrfect for seduction
Great Bird Calls and Jungle Sounds abound ;-)>

Titles include Quiet Village, Tahiti Sunrise, Taboo, Moonlight in Paradise,
Moon of Manakoora, Fire Goddess, Luau, Orchid Lagoon, Jungle Romance, Bali
Hai, Bamboo, Forbidden Island

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From: "Laura Taylor" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Something for everyone
Date: 03 Sep 1996 14:42:10 -0400

Lounge Laura's Latest from the AP!  I love the Rutles!  I love the
brrrrillllliiiannntt Neil Innis...Tell him to call me!  Woo-hoooo!
I hope this is going to be good, because if it's anything like SPINAL TAP 2,
I give up...
[e-mail]

A RUTLES REUNION
   (New York) -- The Rutles are at it again. The group that spoofed the
Beatles is coming out with a new C-D called ''Archaeology'' -- a parody of
the Beatles' ''Anthology.'' The Rutles -- minus Eric Idle -- will get
together in New York tonight to record a single. ''Shangri-La'' will have an
all-star chorus that's expected to include Tony Bennett, Oasis, Eartha Kitt,
Joey Ramone, Cindy Lauper and Peter Gabriel. The session will be filmed for a
video. Virgin Records says the album is due out in late October. It will be
the Rutles' first release since 1978's ''All You Need Is Cash.''


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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: The Surfmen-Exotic Island
Date: 03 Sep 1996 17:05:56 -0400

[Jack, we talked up this ensemble before, but strangely I'm compelled to
defend further the exotiploited...the mush-maligned...the ukulele players]

>The Surfmen were not Exoticons BUT were the best of the west coast jazz/pop
>studio musician scene of the 50's and 60's.

How about "should be exoticons AND were...?" My criterion was simply
multiple LPs, and anyway the other exoticons were mostly haoles too, whether
malihini (mainland) or kamaaina (native).

>They made 2 records

At least 3. Out of their jackets, all feature some great exotica and
Hawaiian standards. "Exotic Island" was reissued in a boring jacket that
says "Tradewinds Romance from Hawaii to Tahiti - Recorded in Honolulu - The
South Seas Serenaders." The third LP uses the same jacket and sounds similar
except for occasional strings, so presumably most of the same people were
involved (if not outtakes).

 Hawaiian War Chant
 Mahala Pua
 Hana (something like an ondioline in there)
 Tahiti Sunrise (different version)
 Forbidden Island (maybe a different version)
 Seas of Samoa
 Aka Tombo
 Hano Hano
 Moonlight in Paradise (maybe a different version)
 Aloha Oe
  (Just 10 on this record, the bums.)

Not to dis your valuable cross-referencing, but Hawaiian fans might get a
little hu hu (irate) at the suggestion that the mainland C&W and jazz
session careers of guys like Alvino Rey, Roy Smeck, Jerry Byrd, and just
about everybody else who played steel, were more important than their
contributions to the hula. Hawaii, you see, let these noble haoles in on the
technology in the first place!

Ono vibrations,
Tony "Bad Tiki" Wilds


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Duane Eddy
Date: 03 Sep 1996 08:44:00 -0800

I just noticed that "Lonely Guitar" is (or was at the start of the year)
out on an import CD. Saw an add in a back issue of Golmine that
mentioned it. It wasn't cheap but it was there. If anyone is interested
I'll see if I can find the add again.

Kevin _M_ King


IN>Rhino put out a two-CD set of Duane Eddy called Twang Thang
IN>a couple of years ago.
IN>It includes Rebel Rouser as well as two versions of Peter Gunn
IN>(Just Duane, and with Art of Noise).
IN>I'd recommend it, as I'm a fan of twangy gitfiddles.
IN>I *think* Lonely Guitar is on it, but I'll have to check.
IN>That title is awfully familiar.

IN>Ray

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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Magazine, a Devotional
Date: 03 Sep 1996 18:00:00 -0400

"Play" is a great live album. Devoto's appearance as Luxuria at DC's old
9:30 club was largely a Magazine fest, and perhaps the best of a hundreds of
shows I saw there over a decade. Devoto founded the Buzzcocks (he's on the
"Spiral Scratch" EP) and clearly was more capable than Shelley, the
hall-of-famer "Singles Going Steady" notwithstanding. The reunited Buzzcocks
under Shelley fulfilled a dream by playing "Harmony in My Head" at the 9:30,
but surprisingly, Camper Van Beethoven beat them to it and did it slightly
better!

"Come and be...out of shape with me,"

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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: Tahitian bossa nova!
Date: 03 Sep 1996 19:40:23 -0400

Have some "tamure" LPs on the want list, but who knew this'd be such a surprise:

"Tamoure: the new dance rage from Tahiti," on Fontana, played by Carlos
Rubio & his Orchestra, has seven great bossa novas and five of the best
Tahitian dance songs ever. Six songs have vocals, deep male and high female.
Yes, there is guitar. Every tune is GREAT. Who knew? Arthur Lyman's "Aloha
Amigos" got nothing on this. You can, like, twist to this exotica. Wall of
Fame candidate.

(Bought at a US15 yard sale somewhere in PA out of a box of water-damaged
records. Scrubbed some other record's dissolved jacket off it.)

Tony "yes, excited" Wilds


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From: [e-mail] (Patrick Cashin)
Subject: Re: ad music
Date: 03 Sep 1996 22:30:42 EDT


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dunno if this is a question better suited for the cowabunga list, but does
anyone know who does the music to that Levi's fifth pocket commercial(the one
with the pool cleaner and the Goldfinger/Live and Let Die bad guys).  It
sounds like the Shadows set to a jungle groove.
just curious,
Maravillo

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From: Jay Watterworth <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: laser turntable - info? (fwd)
Date: 03 Sep 1996 12:59:01 -0600 (MDT)

More on the laser turntable......

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Jay Watterworth ([e-mail]) wrote:
: does anyone have information on this turntable?
:
: ---------- Forwarded message ----------
: Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 11:11:24 -0400
: From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
: To: [e-mail]
: Subject: laser turntable - info?
:
: This may be a certified crank item, but:
:
: Anyone have any hard data on the mythical laser turntable? [It supposedly
: plays even taped, gunked, and rough vinyl like a CD, with all that fancy
: error-correction business.] Does this beast exist for real?
:
: Manufacturer(s), current and projected price, specs? Output in digital and
: analog?
:
: Last I heard, the price had halved from $18K to 9K; when it does a few times
: more, time to pounce on that puppy. Thar's gold in them thar broken shards
: of 78s.
:
: Tony "digital prospector" Wilds
:

it is not a myth at all.  it was developed at least 10 years ago by an
outfilt called finial technology near san jose ca.  they gave up on it when
it became obvious that the retail price would have to be in the 20,000 area.
the rights and technology were sold to a japanese firm.  i have heard that
it is now owned by a company in the oregon or washington area.  they do have
a website, but i cannot recall it.  when finial was in operation they did
make at least a few machines. supposedly had error correction circuitry of
some kind to eliminate ticks, pops, noise in general, but i never saw a full
fledged review of how well it worked.  i assume the american company now
owning the rights is in production on at least a limited basis, but cannot
prove it. try posting an inquiry to the "audio high end " newsgroup.

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From: Jay Watterworth <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: laser turntable - info? (fwd)
Date: 03 Sep 1996 13:05:51 -0600 (MDT)

more of the same

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[e-mail] (STEFAN KERY) wrote:

> There was a demo version circulating conventions a few years back. Never saw
> or heard it but the word was that it had lots of bugs. They should have
> fixed that by now...maybe the product was to good? It certainly would turn
> both the CD and used record market upside down.
> Stefan/Subliminal Sounds
>
> >This may be a certified crank item, but:
> >
> >Anyone have any hard data on the mythical laser turntable? [It supposedly
> >plays even taped, gunked, and rough vinyl like a CD, with all that fancy
> >error-correction business.] Does this beast exist for real?
> >
> >Manufacturer(s), current and projected price, specs? Output in digital and
> >analog?
> >
> >Last I heard, the price had halved from $18K to 9K; when it does a few times
> >more, time to pounce on that puppy. Thar's gold in them thar broken shards
> >of 78s.
> >
> >Tony "digital prospector" Wilds

The laser turntable is made by Finial.  Basically, although it sorta
functions,
it sounds really badly.  Part of the problem is that the laser only
examines the
surface of the grooves.  When playing an actual lp, the interface of the
stylus
and the groove creates a great deal of friction which is dissipated as
heat.
This heat causes the vinyl to actually become fluid.  The sound you hear
is
produced not by the surface of the groove, but rather by the solid part
of the
groove that is underneath the "fluid" layer of the vinyl.

It can hardly track a new record.  Forget about some of those Salvation
Army
specials used for cleaning pot.  Save your cash, and buy more music.

Jonathan

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From: Jay Watterworth <[e-mail]>
Subject: ART RUPE/SPECIALTY RECORDS TRIBUTE 0) INTRODUCTION (fwd)
Date: 03 Sep 1996 19:45:59 -0600 (MDT)

fyi

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Dear Blues-L(and) :

Art Rupe, legendary record producer & founder of SPECIALTY RECORDS, will
be 79 on Thursday, September 5th. His very first taste of the record business
occurred when he joined songwriter, record producer & fellow UCLA graduate
Robert Scherman (b. 1920/June/14, Indianapolis, IN) in setting up ATLAS RECORDS
in 1944.  Atlas Records issued some of the 1st recordings by The Nat King Cole
Trio, Johnny Moore's Three Blazers with Charles Brown, Al Sack and Frankie
Laine.  It was a short stay (4 months), just long enough to convince Arthur
Goldberg (Rupe's real name) that he wanted to start up his own label, JUKE BOX
RECORDS.  According to the 1946/August/10 Billboard issue, Rupe's share of
JUKE BOX was sold to Al Middleman (of Sterling Records) who had joined him a
few months earlier.  According to the agreement signed, Rupe kept the masters
he produced on Roy Milton, The Sepia Tones and The Buddy Banks Sextet (with
The Blues Man and The Blues Woman).  Futhermore, Al Middleman could not order
any more pressings made after June 18, 1946, and after Juke Box disposes of
their inventory, Rupe's new label - SPECIALTY RECORDS -  would press the sides
exclusively.  Middleman continued the JUKE BOX Records from his New York City
office.

In the next few days, I'll be posting the following 20 or so tributes to
ART RUPE/SPECIALTY RECORDS.   All the CDs will be reviewed, and are
available from the FANTASY Records <<www.fantasyjazz.com> and ACE Records
<www.acerecords.co.uk> Web sites.

  1) A JUKE BOX RECORDS DISCOGRAPHY
  2) A SPECIALTY RECORDS "500" SERIES DISCOGRAPHY
  3) A FIDELITY RECORDS DISCOGRAPHY
  4) A LIST OF SPECIALTY RECORDS' TOP 5 R&B HITS
  5) THE SPECIALTY CD SERIES : REVIEWS a)-n) (14 postings!)
     (broken down according to artists, gospel, New Orleans, vocal grp, etc)
  6) PERSONAL TRIBUTES : a)-b) (2 postings)
  7) COMPLETE SPECIALTY CD DISCOGRAPHY

I would like to thank Art Schuna, Jyrki Ilva, LEE SPECTOR, Tom Morgan and
Bill Shute, Gary Jones for their help.  All these postings are dedicated to
J. W. Alexander (1916/JAN/21-1996/JUL/09), gospel songwriter & founding member
of The Pilgrim Travelers.  The whole tribute will be archived on BLUESWEB
<www.island.net/~blues>.

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From: [e-mail] (Thom S. Heileson)
Subject: Macarena, Bell Book & Candle
Date: 03 Sep 1996 23:24:43 -0700

>From: [e-mail]
>Subject: Re: trends in exotica?
>
>Let's hope not...by the way if there's ever a reason not to vote for the
>Democrats this election it is because of their taste in music...The Macarena
>and tunes from Chicago YEEEEAAAAACCCCHHHH!!!!

Well it's better than Travis Tritt (played at the Republican convention)!!

BTW, did anyone see the episode of David Letterman from a couple weeks back
where one of Dave's scroungy-looking stage managers comes into the studio
doing the Macarena and an annoyed Letterman dumps him into the Hudson but
later he comes back looking like the living dead swamp thing, still
incessantly doing the dance from hell?

Um, it was funny... (<--Chris Farley Vox)

ObExotica: I want to thank whoever on this list it was who recommended the
movie "Bell, Book & Candle" -- we rented it over the weekend and it was
indeed fab. Witches as Beatniks, who could ask for more! It's very obvious
the producers of the show "Bewitched" got their idea from this movie,
though it's also quite different from the show.

There are some _great_ early-electronic spacey sounds used whilst magic is
being done... anyone know who did these and if there is a soundtrack with
these sound effects?

Merc!
(Apologies for the lengthy .sig -- I can't seem to get Eudora to stop
attaching it like I should be able to...)

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From: "Joerg Nijmeijer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: The Throbber
Date: 04 Sep 1996 13:30:53 +0000

On 30 Aug 96 at 23:58, Jay Watterworth wrote:
> Your msg reminded me of the Fugs (whom you referred to in your
> closing).  I saw them a couple time when they played the village in
> the mid-60s and fondly remember "I couldn't get high" as well as
> some of their other "observations".  As Bob Hope would have sung,
> "Thanks for the memories"! Jay Watterworth CU Boulder
(...)
> > Long live the Fugs.

I think, at least Tuli Kupferberg is still active, I see records or
compilation-contributions by him every once in a while.
(e.g. the wonderful "dear m." with good old Allen Ginsberg)

I bought their debut-album years ago "by accident" and was totally
amazed. I never heard such weird lyrics and thought, I've found
the world's worst musicians. (Now I know: the Godz' debut is far worse!)
They improved their musical skills with the following albums
(but not too much ... :o) )

Anyone remember "Nothing" ?
This is one of my alltime favourites.

Speaking of hippie-music: kind of related to the fugs/godz-stuff
is the "hapshash and the coloured coat featuring the human host
and the heavy metal kids"  ('68). This is hell of an artist-name.


joerg


"sunday nothing, monday nothing, tuesday and wednesday nothing,
friday for a change a little more nothing, saturday once more
nothing"
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From: "Kenneth H Ellzey" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: The Throbber
Date: 04 Sep 1996 09:40:50 -0400

On Sep 4,  1:30pm, Joerg Nijmeijer wrote:
> Subject: Re: The Throbber
> On 30 Aug 96 at 23:58, Jay Watterworth wrote:
> > Your msg reminded me of the Fugs (whom you referred to in your
> > closing).  I saw them a couple time when they played the village in
> > the mid-60s and fondly remember "I couldn't get high" as well as
> > some of their other "observations".  As Bob Hope would have sung,
> > "Thanks for the memories"! Jay Watterworth CU Boulder
> (...)
> > > Long live the Fugs.
>
> I think, at least Tuli Kupferberg is still active, I see records or
> compilation-contributions by him every once in a while.
> (e.g. the wonderful "dear m." with good old Allen Ginsberg)
>
> I bought their debut-album years ago "by accident" and was totally
> amazed. I never heard such weird lyrics and thought, I've found
> the world's worst musicians. (Now I know: the Godz' debut is far worse!)
> They improved their musical skills with the following albums
> (but not too much ... :o) )

The Fugs do live!  Check out the Ed Sanders interview and Fugs article found
at:

http://www.sonic.net/~goblin/three.html

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From: Rohn Matthies <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Bewitched/ Bell Book & Candle
Date: 04 Sep 1996 08:34:01 -0700

Hmmmmmmmm -- I'd be inclined to suggest that "Bewitched" owed more to an
ealier film -- "I married a Witch" -- late 30's or so than BB&C. Just a
thought. Rohn.

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From: [e-mail] (Elin Thome)
Subject: Hugo Montenegro
Date: 04 Sep 1996 19:13:04 +0200

Hello,
Is there anybody who has got a discography of what
Hugo Montenegro has recorded. Some of the things he has done is really
brilliant.  For example the "Good Vibrations" album. I also have
"People...one to one", "Hugo in Wonder-land", "Scenes & Themes" and "Colour
of Love", "The Good, The Bad and The Ugly". I wonder if there is more of him
as good as these ones? Please let me know if You know.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: trends in exotica?
Date: 04 Sep 1996 15:29:08 -0400

At 08:59 PM 9/2/96 -0500, you wrote:
>> The 'Macarena' will go the way the 'Achy-Breaky' went, into
>> oblivion.....(yes!)
>
>Just be sure to hold on to those Electric Slide records!
>
>still doin' the Smurf,
>kevin

No thanks Kevin.  I couldn't stand Billy Ray Cyrus' mumbling then, and I
still can't stand it now.

Bryan


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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Hugo Montenegro
Date: 04 Sep 1996 16:52:30 -0400

At 07:13 PM 9/4/96 +0200, you wrote:
>Is there anybody who has got a discography of Hugo Montenegro

Try the Exotica Standards web site:
http://www.netrail.net/~bbigelow/homepage.html

"Cha Chas for Dancing" is good.


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From: [e-mail] (David Schafer)
Subject: Re: Hugo Montenegro
Date: 04 Sep 1996 18:52:00 -0700 (PDT)

>Dj Lillian. wrote on: Wed, 4 Sep 96 19:13:04

>Is there anybody who has got a discography of what
>Hugo Montenegro has recorded. Some of the things he has done is really
>brilliant.  For example the "Good Vibrations" album. I also have
>"People...one to one", "Hugo in Wonder-land", "Scenes & Themes" and "Colour
>of Love", "The Good, The Bad and The Ugly". I wonder if there is more of him
>as good as these ones? Please let me know if You know.

Lillian, your question aroused my curiosity. Hugo is someone who could
actually have an interesting amount a material.

This ain't no disco--graphy!

Hugo was/is (anyone know?) a prolific arranger who contributed to schmultz,
cheese, disco, soul, easy, pop, psych, what's left? I know I have passed
LP's of his up in the bins, esp the early easy ones, but the late 60's and
70's can be very entertaining. Actually Candy's Themes is rather haunting
and good with the 'I Dream of Jeannie' theme on it somewhere. The LP's
concept is musical portraits of women and girls (teenagers) with song
titles like: Candy's Theme, Kitten, Fanny, Amber, etc. The liner notes tell
us more than we want to know about Hugo. Is there something in REsearch on
Him?

I was able to pull these out, anyone care to add any? Maybe this is already
posted somewhere.

Loves of My Life 1957
In a Sentimental Mood 1962
Candy's Theme and Other Sweets 1965
Music from "A Fistfull of Dollars" and "The Good, The Bad and The Ugly" 1968
Moog Power 1969
Good Vibrations 1969
Dawn of Dylan 1970
People ...One to One 1971
This is Hugo Montenegro 1971
Neil's Diamonds 1973
Hugo in Wonder-land 1974
Rocket Man 1975
Others by Brothers 1975
Arriba! (no date)

These were mentioned on the back of Candy's Theme.
The Young Beat of Rome (no date)
Russian Grandeur (no date)

listening to Others by Brothers...weowww weooow! bye, David










Arriba! no date



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Author of Caravan
Date: 04 Sep 1996 22:26:24 -0400

Howdy, Maravillo!

In a message dated 96-09-03 03:26:04 EDT, you wrote:

> it's also one of those songs that's been done a thousand times but
>  sounds different every time and is my nominee for best Exotica song of all
>  time!

Great bits of history in the early part of your message, really enjoyed it!  C
aravan really would be a top contender for best Exotica song of all time.
 But I have to admit that I'm really partial to Martin Denny's rendition of Qu
iet Village as the definiative Exotica song of all time.  Tough call!

Hey!  How about Midnight Sun for best Lounge song of all time?  That one
would be hard to top, no?

Beau di Audeau

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Bell Book & Candle
Date: 04 Sep 1996 22:43:17 -0400

In a message dated 96-09-04 02:24:49 EDT, you write:

>
>ObExotica: I want to thank whoever on this list it was who recommended the
>movie "Bell, Book & Candle" -- we rented it over the weekend and it was
>indeed fab. Witches as Beatniks, who could ask for more!

Yayyyyyy!  I'm glad you liked the movie. It's one of my personal faves

>There are some _great_ early-electronic spacey sounds used whilst magic is
>being done... anyone know who did these and if there is a soundtrack with
>these sound effects?
Jack Diamond mentioned that he has the soundtrack and I'm sure he can give
you the scoop on all of the cool sounds.

Take care,
Lisa

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Subject: Re: Hugo Montenegro
Date: 04 Sep 1996 23:48:08 -0400

His music for LADY IN CEMENT is very cool indeedy...

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From: [e-mail] (Jack Fetterman)
Subject: Re: what price exotica?
Date: 05 Sep 1996 04:17:27 GMT

just left bleecker bob's hoping to avoid the dreaded one, but no, i got
cornered. bob's trying to push that "genius of esquivel" goes for $400.00!
"best of broadway musical hits" (with betty page cover, terrible music) is
on the wall for $350.00!

one thing i will say though is that he's got most of those twofer exotica
bootleg cd's. they are blatantly mastered from vinyl (ie no real masters),
but they may be as close as you can get to the likes of "music out of the
moon," "skin diver suite," "the passions,"
and "esquivel 1968," among others. i think that every other store is afraid
to sell these things. anybody know anything about their background? Request
Records?


jack


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: what price exotica?
Date: 05 Sep 1996 09:04:16 -0400

Jack,

You are right indeed that those 2-on-1 CDs are bootlegs, and most dealers are
reluctant to sell them.  I'm told that the folks at RCA and Capitol weren't
too pleased!  I'm also told that they're being made somewhere in California.
 The label address is bogus.

All in all, they're pretty darn good, don't you think?

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: trends in exotica?
Date: 05 Sep 1996 09:05:02 -0400

Let's hope the Macarena goes sooner than later.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: what price exotica?
Date: 05 Sep 1996 09:13:04 -0400

Having experienced Bleecker Bob personally years ago, I refuse to enter the
store. He had a habit of picking fights with male customers and then putting
his dog ( i think it was a doberman)  into attack mode. He would laugh as the
guy went running out of the place. The women he would just hit on
relentlessly until they left. Of course the prices alone would be enough to
keep one from going in.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Batutis)
Subject: What Price Exotica?
Date: 05 Sep 1996 10:04:49 -0400

Hi there:

Bleeker Bob's is not the only place in NYC to get those two-fer exotica
bootlegs. I've seen them at Footlights, Smash, Venus, and Kim's. (Venus on St,
Marks has the most) WFMU even sold a few of them for a while, but I believe they
ran out.

In other news:
While up in Boston I got this great italian two-fer of Dean Martin French style/
Deano Latino. Dean at his swanky best, and only $14! The sound isn't perfect,
but the tunes and arrangements by Don Costa and Neal Hefti are hep.

-Joe B.
http://www.amexpub.com/jbatutis/noddmusic/oddmusic.html

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From: Clark Draper <[e-mail]>
Subject: Yma in DC!
Date: 05 Sep 1996 10:59:16 -0400

I just got the new City Paper and the Birchmere calendar has Yma Sumac
appearing at the club on September 28! I've never been to the Birchmere, and
normally don't look at their schedule as they usually have acts that I have
no desire in seeing (folk and whatever, I'm sure it's real good, just not my
cup of tea). So imagine my surprise to see Ms. Sumac's name on the calendar.
So, if your in the DC area, and I know some of you are, I'll see you there.

The other Clark


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From: "Laura Taylor" <[e-mail]>
Subject: dexter again
Date: 05 Sep 1996 11:13:09 -0400

Ok, Ok...I was wrong on the name, knew it! It's not "Dan" Dexter about whom I
was inquiring...it was DAVE DEXTER...Now, for you exotica-types, he did some
stuff with Les Baxter...and to you Bomp!-types, he was also involved with
American-releases of early Beatles stuff...So, the lists oddly converge(as
oft they do!)  A Beatles-Baxter connection, via Dexter!  BUT THAT'S ALL I
KNOW!  And I need you philes to help me piece the rest of this together...
HELP@!
Lounge Laura
"It's just my nature to do weird stuff..."
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From: [e-mail] (Clark Scheffy)
Subject: Re: The Surfmen-Exotic Island
Date: 05 Sep 1996 09:36:10 PDT

I have to add my two cents to the Surfmen discussion...
I would have to say that the Surfmen also incorporated the best most
freakish human-bird calls of any exotica record.  You really feel the
bird's emotions as he/she is perched on the verge of something dangerous
and psychotic.
Clark

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From: [e-mail] (Clark Scheffy)
Subject: Beat Girl
Date: 05 Sep 1996 09:40:06 PDT

So I now have listened to the CD soundtrack from this movie countless times
and love it, especially the line "Cool as a lager beer, Beat Girl!" It doesn't
get any more kicks.  Now, does anyone know where to get the movie?  No place
I've talked to seems to have it, this is including two video stores in
San Francisco which claim to have all the hard-to-find movies...  Any help?
Clark

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From: "Laura Taylor" <[e-mail]>
Subject: love that Chilean Orchestra
Date: 05 Sep 1996 13:05:34 -0400

Does anyone have info on the availability of the ORGY OF THE DEAD soundtrack?
Need it! Now! Stars the CHILEAN ORCHESTRA or the like...
Help! Ayuda!
Lounge Laura
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From: "Laura Taylor" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Beat Girl
Date: 05 Sep 1996 13:04:00 -0400

                      RE>Beat Girl                                 9/5/96

Lounge Laura here, with unfortunate news...Scored BEAT GIRL in a CAMELOT
MUSIC cut-out bin in Mobile, Alabama about 5 years ago...But maybe SOMETHING
WEIRD or even RHINO(?) has released it?  Dunno, but do know it has recently
been a cut-out..
Lo Siento :^(
[e-mail]

So I now have listened to the CD soundtrack from this movie countless times
and love it, especially the line "Cool as a lager beer, Beat Girl!" It
doesn't
get any more kicks.  Now, does anyone know where to get the movie?  No place
I've talked to seems to have it, this is including two video stores in
San Francisco which claim to have all the hard-to-find movies...  Any help?
Clark

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From: John Chilson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Beat Girl
Date: 05 Sep 1996 10:27:10 -0700 (PDT)

Clark.....are you referring to Le Video in SF? I'm surprised they don't
have it! Anyhow, I found a really clean copy of Beat Girl at a place called
Suncoast
Video here in San Diego. If ya can't find it anywhere, lemme know and
maybe we can arrange something.....good luck, John

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From: [e-mail] (Jack Fetterman)
Subject: Re: what price exotica?
Date: 05 Sep 1996 17:52:35 GMT

On Sep 05, 1996 09:04:16, '[e-mail]' wrote:


>Jack,
>
>You are right indeed that those 2-on-1 CDs are bootlegs, and most dealers
are
>reluctant to sell them.  I'm told that the folks at RCA and Capitol
weren't
>too pleased!  I'm also told that they're being made somewhere in
California.
>The label address is bogus.
>
>All in all, they're pretty darn good, don't you think?


Well, as i said, they sound as if they were mastered off lp's. You can hear
the turntable rumble. On the other hand, they filled in some gaps in my
collection.

It is interesting to compare the 101 Strings "astro-sounds from the year
2000" to the current official release on scamp. the scamp release features
excellent mastering techniques, great liner notes, and even three
previously unreleased cuts. these guys are doing it right!

with companies like scamp around, hopefully we won't need these bootlegs
anymore. as everyone seems to concur on this forum, this music needs to be
accessible.

jack

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From: [e-mail] (Jack Diamond)
Subject: B B & C
Date: 05 Sep 1996 10:59:50 +0000


>ObExotica: I want to thank whoever on this list it was who recommended the
>movie "Bell, Book & Candle" -- we rented it over the weekend and it was
>indeed fab. Witches as Beatniks, who could ask for more!

>There are some _great_ early-electronic spacey sounds used whilst magic is
>being done... anyone know who did these and if there is a soundtrack with
>these sound effects?

Thom,

I don't know who reccomended it BUT I've been playing it on my show for the
past month or so and to answer your quyestion in a word...YES there was a
soundtrack released BUT it is extremely rare ;)
It's on Colpix

I did happen to see one for sale last week for 60 bucks but I passed on it.
I wasn't feeling that rich that day ;))  It's worth it though!

Bye for now,
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Author of Caravan
Date: 05 Sep 1996 13:57:06 -0400

In a message dated 96-09-04 22:33:42 EDT, you write:

<< But I have to admit that I'm really partial to Martin Denny's rendition of
Qu
 iet Village as the definiative Exotica song of all time.  Tough call! >>

Beau- Imagine Denny's take on Caravan!  Heaven on Earth!  I'm just trying to
figure out what kinda bird-calls one would hear in the desert...

Exotically,
Maravillo

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From: [e-mail] (Jack Fetterman)
Subject: Re: what price exotica?
Date: 05 Sep 1996 17:57:53 GMT

On Sep 05, 1996 09:13:04, '[e-mail]' wrote:


>Having experienced Bleecker Bob personally years ago, I refuse to enter
the
>store. He had a habit of picking fights with male customers and then
putting
>his dog ( i think it was a doberman)  into attack mode. He would laugh as
the
>guy went running out of the place. The women he would just hit on
>relentlessly until they left. Of course the prices alone would be enough
to
>keep one from going in.


yeah, bob's a mess.

he used to glare at me at the sixth avenue flea markets when he saw me
snatching up some gems from the bins that he could have thrown $40.00 price
tags on. an interesting observation, however, he claims that exotica/sabpm
is and always has been his main interest in collecting records. wonder if
it's true.

i can see the ad in audio carpaetorium now.
"what type of man listens to space-age bachelor pas music?"

jack

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From: [e-mail] (Jack Fetterman)
Subject: Re: What Price Exotica?
Date: 05 Sep 1996 17:59:39 GMT

On Sep 05, 1996 10:04:49, '[e-mail] (Joe Batutis)' wrote:


>Hi there:
>
>Bleeker Bob's is not the only place in NYC to get those two-fer exotica
>bootlegs. I've seen them at Footlights, Smash, Venus, and Kim's. (Venus on
St,
>Marks has the most) WFMU even sold a few of them for a while, but I
believe
>they
>ran out.

or did they stop selling them?

jack

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From: [e-mail] (Jack Diamond)
Subject: The ultimate cool wordless vocal outfit
Date: 05 Sep 1996 11:36:40 +0000

The Nutty Squirrels!!  What ?? You say you've never heard of the Nutty
Squirrels ???
The Nutty Squirrels made 3 records.
I have _had_ all of them BUT I really love their first as their best for me
I sold the 2nd one awhile ago but someone made a home made CD for me of it
and if I ever want to listen to it it's there.

Picture if you will The Chipmunks Sound with a bit of a different tone and
they sing wordless jazz/pop vocals.
They swing like all hell and the ballads are tooooooooooo cool.
Man o man o man o man!!!  This is really amazing schtuff

The musicians were all the greats of the studio jazz scene like Cannonball
Adderly and Frank Socolow on Alto Saxes, Romeo Penque-Flute
This is a _very_ beatnik cool sound of jazz that is _very_ POP oriented.

They actually had a HIT from their 1st lp released on Hanover in 1959 with
Uh Oh Pt. 2.
Hanover was also the label that released Jack Kerouac's LP The Beat
Generation and there are some other _Extremely Rare_ beatnik poet records
on Hanover.
They do Dizzy Gillespies "Salt Peanuts" and Bang Bang! which is kind of a
crime jazz wordless vocal.  Very very que-ell
The chipmunks came first and the Nutty Squirrels are primarily the genius
of Don Elliot who was a 1st rate jazz musician who played many instruments
including trumpet, bongos, mellophone which looks like a French Horn but
sounds like a cross between a french horn and a trombone.
A much fatter french horn sound.
He's also a top rated vocalist who did some crazy overdub type recordings on
Decca that all of the parts instrumentally and vocally are him.
He looks _very cool_ too ;)  Sunglasses in the studio and everything;))
The other voice is Sascha Burland who wrote TV and Radio commercial jingles
of the 50's and 60's and who's the guy who wrote No Matter What Shape Your
Stomach's In (Alka Seltzer) that became a HUGE HIT in the 60's

Their 2nd record was on a major label (Columbia) and is called The Nutty
Squirrels Go Bird Watching and all of the titles are Bird names/songs like
Flamingo, Sparrow in the Tree Top, That's Owl (That's All) and stuff like
that there.
It's a bit too much for me but for comedy/novelty lovers, well they say
that the 2nd album is pure genius and the music I must admit IS incredible

Then there's The Nutty Squirrels Sing A Hard Day's Night...No Comment as
I'm not really into the comedy/novelty aspect of things.
The 1st album is really the one for me.

The ultimate wordless vocals are The Nutty Squirrels!!!

Bye for now,
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: ad music
Date: 04 Sep 1996 14:12:07 -0400

In a message dated 96-09-03 22:37:09 EDT, you write:

<< There is a COWABUNGA list? Where? >>
Send a message to [e-mail], include, in the body of the message
subscribe [e-mail] cowabunga

See you there!
Maravillo

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From: "Heileson, Thomas" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Gilbertos
Date: 04 Sep 1996 11:38:00 PDT


>great quote from jaoa gilberto:  when asked if americans could play bossa
>nove, gilberto replied, no, americans are too mathematical.  they can put
>a man on the moon, but they will never learn to play bossa nova. our
>guitarist friend found this quote yesterday, right before we began our
>first rehearsal as, of course, an american bossa nova band (singing in
>trained portugese, at least!).

A Very Naive question:

What is the relation between Jaoa and Astrud?

Merc,
Thom

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From: HIFI <[e-mail]>
Subject: hifigram#1
Date: 04 Sep 1996 17:51:00 -0500

i have compile a press release/upcoming release schedule of the hifi
label in an e-mail hifigram.  it is rather long and would muck up the
fine dialogue within this list.

anyone wanting to receive this and future hifigrams, should e-mail me
at [e-mail].

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From: J P M <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: what price exotica?
Date: 05 Sep 1996 19:38:02 +0000

Thats funny about Bleeker Boob,he cornered me to get one of those twofer
cd's "there great, you cant't get them ... blah ,blah, blah" what an
anoying guy.

JPM
http://www.spacelab.net/~mugen/

Vocod'o'rama
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From: [e-mail] (lou smith)
Subject: Re: Author of Caravan
Date: 05 Sep 1996 23:54:16 GMT

On Sep 05, 1996 13:57:06, '[e-mail]' wrote:


>In a message dated 96-09-04 22:33:42 EDT, you write:
>
><< But I have to admit that I'm really partial to Martin Denny's rendition
of
>Qu
>iet Village as the definiative Exotica song of all time.  Tough call! >>
>
>Beau- Imagine Denny's take on Caravan!  Heaven on Earth!  I'm just trying
to
>figure out what kinda bird-calls one would hear in the desert...
>
>Exotically,
>Maravillo

Roadrunners, of course.

--Lou
(meep meep)

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Author of Caravan
Date: 06 Sep 1996 00:21:48 -0400

Maravillo,

Sandpipers, of course!

Tweedle-loo
Beau

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From: "David M. Tobin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Author of Caravan
Date: 06 Sep 1996 00:19:07 -0700

  Certainly one of the more interesting renditions of Caravan appears on
Arther Lyman's "Taboo" - David
At 01:57 PM 9/5/96 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 96-09-04 22:33:42 EDT, you write:
>
><< But I have to admit that I'm really partial to Martin Denny's rendition of
>Qu
> iet Village as the definiative Exotica song of all time.  Tough call! >>
>
>Beau- Imagine Denny's take on Caravan!  Heaven on Earth!  I'm just trying to
>figure out what kinda bird-calls one would hear in the desert...
>
>Exotically,
>Maravillo
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Subject: Re: Gilbertos
Date: 06 Sep 1996 00:22:30 -0700


At 11:38 AM 9/4/96 PDT, you wrote:
>
>>great quote from jaoa gilberto:  when asked if americans could play bossa
>>nove, gilberto replied, no, americans are too mathematical.  they can put
>>a man on the moon, but they will never learn to play bossa nova. our
>>guitarist friend found this quote yesterday, right before we began our
>>first rehearsal as, of course, an american bossa nova band (singing in
>>trained portugese, at least!).
>
>A Very Naive question:
>
>What is the relation between Jaoa and Astrud?
>Isn't she his daughter? - David
>Merc,
>Thom
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From: "Chrysler Mighuel Stewart" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Hugo Montenegro
Date: 06 Sep 1996 00:58:04 -0700



Bom Dia!
    Rev. Chrysler Mighuel Stewart here!
About Hugo Montenegro... Well, I tell you, when I was young once, I found a
copy of "More Music from The Man From U.N.C.L.E." conducted by Noneother.
(H-U-G-O) I immediately fell in love, especially with the cool, suave first
track, "Sandals Only." In fact, I was so Hypnotized by the song, that I
wrote and produced a series of five Highly Successful plays, Sandals Only
I-V. Each dealt with some manner of sophistication and bourgeoise. They
featured some of the finest music the era had to offer, including Al
Ciaola, Les Baxter, and others. (I particularly enjoyed Sandals Only II, in
which the 1962 World's Fair in Seattle, Washington was showcased...)
Anyway, the point is, Hugo Montenegro... Having heard Sandals Only, and the
rest of the U.N.C.L.E. lineup, I thought that this Montenegro character
must be a pretty good composer, and figured I had ought to look him up. It
did not take long, searching the record stores of Seattle to come up with a
"Best of Montenegro" Double album-type deal. "Great!" I thought to myself,
"Two whole records of the best of Montenegro!!!" However, When I arrived at
my flat, and cracked open the record, I found that it had very little
resemblance to the Montenegro of the U.N.C.L.E. Soundtrack at all, infact,
I wondered whether this was the same Montenegro at all... U.N.C.L.E. was so
sophisticated, and the rest of his stuff seemed so... so... I don't know-
traditional, I suppose... I'm not sure... Anyway... I was just curious
whether anyone else has had this sort of experience with Montenegro, and
whether there is any thing else that can hold a flame to U.N.C.L.E.

                By the Grace of God,
            Reverend Chrysler Mighuel Stewart
                [e-mail]
            http://www.cnw.com/~pettit/

(PS: I saw Combustible Edison play at Bumbershoot in Seattle on Labour Day,
and of course it was ULTRA BOSS! I took LOTS of pictures, which I intend to
post when I get them developed- Let me know if anyone is interested...)


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Subject: Re: Comustible Edison
Date: 06 Sep 1996 07:58:00 -0400

Hi Rev. Chrysler,

YEAH: I saw Combustible Edision in Offenbach (near Frankfurt/Germany) some
months ago on their European Tour. What a great gig they played, absolutely
incredible, I think far better than the records: the sounds from the
keyboards are fantastic as the whole band, and the moods they "generated".
Great you made some pictures, I didn't, this was a fault.

BTW are there some good clubs (or record stores) in Seattle, cause I'm there
in October, I just heard of the Toe Club.

Bye & greetings from Frankfurt
+++roger+++

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Subject: Re: Gilbertos
Date: 06 Sep 1996 09:22:21 -0400

In a message dated 96-09-06 03:50:06 EDT, you write:

<< if americans could play bossa
 >>nove, gilberto replied, no, americans are too mathematical >>
He had to be saying this tongue in cheek.  For instance guitarist Charlie
Byrd has been playing great Bossa Nova for 30+ years.  Joao is Astrud's
former husband.  By the way, some of Astrud's numbers from the '60s album "A
Certain Smile, a Certain Sadness" are included on the recent CD rerelease of
Walter Wanderley cuts called "Bossa Nova Swing."  EdCoyne

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From: [e-mail] (lou smith)
Subject: Re: what price exotica?
Date: 06 Sep 1996 14:13:00 GMT

On Sep 05, 1996 09:04:16, '[e-mail]' wrote:


>You are right indeed that those 2-on-1 CDs are bootlegs, and most dealers
are
>reluctant to sell them.  I'm told that the folks at RCA and Capitol
weren't
>too pleased!  I'm also told that they're being made somewhere in
California.
>The label address is bogus.
>
>All in all, they're pretty darn good, don't you think?

If you look at the inner 'groove' area of the data (shiny) side of the CD,

on the Astro Sounds/YS disc anyway, you can find that they were pressed at
Discotronics.
The interesting thing is you will also see the letters 'IFPI' which
indicates membership in
an international anti-piracy organization.

And, Yeah, all in all 'they' did a fabulous job.

Lou Smith

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From: "kevin king" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Hugo Montenegro
Date: 06 Sep 1996 11:51:19 -0500

Chrysler Mighuel Stewart wrote:

> I wondered
> whether this was the same Montenegro at all... U.N.C.L.E. was so
> sophisticated, and the rest of his stuff seemed so... so... I don't
> know- traditional, I suppose... I'm not sure... Anyway... I was just
> curious whether anyone else has had this sort of experience with
> Montenegro, and whether there is any thing else that can hold a
> flame to U.N.C.L.E.

Hey Rev,
U.N.C.L.E. blew me away too!  And likewise, I've found very little
else that has left as much an impression.  After being persuaded by
Jack, I've grown to like Lady In Cement a lot.  The Good, Bad and
Ugly bargain cd released recently was a disappointment, although
fans of the Hellers and Spaced Out might find it worth a listen (bad
comparison, maybe).  There are a few tracks on his Time Records
Process 70 Lp that keep me from discarding it - Palm Canyon Drive in
particular.  I also have a three record set comp of Time Records that
includes some great tunes (some of which might be his, don't have all
the packaging, but he's there somewhere).  In general, everything
I've heard seems fairly hit or miss, varying between screaming syrupy
strings (Fantasy Impromptu ain't bad) and tv action/spy.  What has he
written besides Lady In Cement and My Love?  None of the tunes on
either U.N.C.L.E. Lps is written by Montenegro.


kevin king
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From: [e-mail] (Jack Fetterman)
Subject: Re: what price exotica?
Date: 06 Sep 1996 16:16:19 GMT

i like putting together my own compilations with themes (all exotica
related, of course). i've had them duped on cassette. i give them away as
gifts to friends around new years.

is this illegal?

i've also thought about trying to sell them.

what would happen if i did this? anybody know?


jack

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Gilbertos
Date: 06 Sep 1996 13:45:15 -0400

In a message dated 96-09-05 19:55:54 EDT, you write:

<< What is the relation between Jaoa and Astrud?

 Merc,
 Thom >>

Hubby and wife.

onde e a saida,
Maravillo

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From: [e-mail] (Huge Graphics)
Subject: Re: what price exotica?
Date: 06 Sep 1996 11:19:30 -0700

>i like putting together my own compilations with themes (all exotica
>related, of course). i've had them duped on cassette. i give them away as
>gifts to friends around new years.
>
>is this illegal?
>
>i've also thought about trying to sell them.
>
>what would happen if i did this? anybody know?
>
>
>jack

Your head would explode, and all of the little pieces would drift back down
to earth and clog up your drain...Or maybe not.

David Bailey
Huge Graphics
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Subject: Re: what price exotica?
Date: 06 Sep 1996 14:27:57 -0400

It's probably tremendously illegal!

Ben
DC

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Subject: Re: love that Chilean Orchestra
Date: 06 Sep 1996 14:08:10 -0500

>Does anyone have info on the availability of the ORGY OF THE DEAD soundtrack?
>Need it! Now! Stars the CHILEAN ORCHESTRA or the like...
>Help! Ayuda!
>Lounge Laura

Dear Lounge Laura:

You can find "Orgy of the Dead", ('in gorgeous Astravision and shocking
Sexicolor')  on Strangelove (Strange 0001-2).  This was released as
apparently a special side project by Kramer, the man who brought us Shimmy
disc and Bongwater, et al.  When it was released last year, I heard rumour
that he would be doing more of this type of thing, but haven't seen
anything else yet...
The cd plays almost the entire soundtrack of the movie, maybe cutting short
one or two tracks from the original.  It actually includes all the
dialogue, as I recall(we rented the movie some time last year), which isn't
a whole lot since the movie is really a 90 minute strip tease!  It's
fantastic...Criswell emoting about 'the threshold people', etc.  The music
is quite nice, with credit given only to Jaime Medoza-Nava.  The screenplay
is by none other than Ed Wood himself, who also served as assitant
director.  Need I say more?  The film was released in 1965..."SEE the
frolicking of the cat girl...SEE the girl drink from the skull of her
lover..."

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From: "Russ Smith" <[e-mail]>
Subject: unmentioned finds from MS
Date: 06 Sep 1996 13:52:01 -0500 (CDT)

I've been lurking the list 4awhile, digest form, I've picked up a few
gems that are Aces Hi and want to share them w/ yas.

Them crazy sounds:
  BIG Sounds of the Drag Boats      Capitol ST-2049
    nuttin but a day at the drags!
  Musique Experimentale            BAM LD-071
    wackier than French's Mustard, you know this one.
    ---what year is this one?
  Music to Moog By, G.K.    -you know this one too.
    -virtually sealed, ***w/ the 'Book Of Moog' enclosed!***
  Crash!Bang!Crunch!&Pow!, G.K.        Peter Pan Records 8136
    more than 100 sounds effects and story of The Sounds of The City
  Big Band Moog, Keith Droste        Realistic 50-2022
    -what? a demo album for the Surrealistic/Moog rouges?
  Fabulous Bongo Ping Pong Percussion    Coronet  CX-141
    I feel like spatting Kerouac or Steve Allen when I here this.

Of course, the always wonderful CROWN record label:
  Big Hot Rod   ,  The Hot Rodders    CLP-5378
    'Spirit of America' rules, every song has hot rod sounds in it.
    --again, what year is this one?
  Guitars a Go.Go, Vol1 & 2, also A Go Go Guitars  CLP 5476,5553,CST539
    Jerry Cole & the Stingers a go go go to town!

And just plain smoove sounds:
  Pizza Inn presents...Tijuana Party
    Big childhood flashbacks of old PizzaInns, this record has covers
    of Casino Royale, Georgy Girl, Music to Watch G's By, and 2 originals.
  Casino Royale , Hollywood Studio Orch.   -wyncote SW-9202
    ..I need more Spy Jazz, I love it!
  Organo Melodico, Juan Torres, Vol.9        Musart 1474
    This is vol.9? Big Organ sounds! -even the best version of
    CreedenceCR's 'En la Esquina'...
  -I've got several pipe organ albums, 'It'sa Beautiful Sound'
         huhhuhhuh he said pipe organ huhhhuh yeah
  Theme From Star Trek/Theme From Planet Of The Apes
  (T.V. series)(Apes Shuffle) , Jeff Wayne Space Shuttle,  Wonderland LP301
    The dern grooviest kids record I ever herd!
  Cuts include:    Batman Theme, Earth Bound, Journey Thru Space, Ape's
Victory Dance, The Ape Planet, Star Light, Beyond The Outer Limits,
Superman Theme.  This album covers a range of 'lounge' styles.
It hasn't left the in-house top 10 yet...

AND.. good to listen to, better to look at, my favorite album cover, ever!
  Percussion Playful and Pretty  Bob Rosengarden & Phil Kraus, RCA/Victor
    Two too cute girls banging each other's cymbals surrounded by all
    kinds of suspended percussion.  I'm gonna wear this cover...

Man, these small-town pawn shops and small vinyl piles under 'CD'
counters here and there in the Rural South just can't be beat!
All albums under $1... Even a Univox analog drum machine w/ Foxtrot,
Swing, 2 Bossas, Tango, Habanera, Rhumba, Beguine, Mambo, ChaCha, Samba,
Baion, 2 Waltz, 4 Rock, Ballad & Western beats.  This box rocks, Only
paid $15! I've been collecting various 'vintage' organs and devices for
only a few years, It's amazing what comes out of expired persons' attics,
and they think 'It's old, it's not worth much'  Yea!

Any Exoticats in New Orleans?>speakup!

'It's vinylicious'   WUSM 88.5  Pubic Radio 4 S. MS.
[e-mail]
Big Phun In Mississippi
http://ocean.st.usm.edu/~crsmith

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From: "Laura Taylor" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Sad Mel Torme News
Date: 06 Sep 1996 14:58:08 -0400

I am doing my best to keep ya'll updated on Mel...Sorry it couldn't be better
news...
:^(
Lounge Laura
[e-mail]




MEL TORME/AP
   (Los Angeles) -- Mel Torme may never sing again. Torme hasn't been able to
speak since suffering a stroke a month ago. Doctors say they don't know if
he'll get his voice back. His spokesman says Torme's condition has improved
somewhat. He's breathing on his own now and could be moved from the intensive
care unit to a private room by Monday. The spokesman says Torme is alert and
writing notes to his wife and kids. He's also enjoying the cards and letters
his fans have sent. He says Torme has ``a broad smile'' on his face when he
reads his mail.


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Subject: Re:
Date: 06 Sep 1996 15:35:24 -0400

                      RE>                                          9/6/96

uh, is this a vieled hint?  Are you kicking me off:^)...posting toooo much
today-am I ?


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From: "Laura Taylor" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Dave Dexter
Date: 06 Sep 1996 15:34:26 -0400

                      RE>Dave Dexter                               9/6/96

To Glenn and all...Let me rephrase the question...I need to know the
connection between Dexter, the Beatles, and Les Baxter.  What exactly did
Dexter do with Baxter, and Dexter do with the Beatles?  Dexter, for instance,
is listed on Baxter's LE FEMME and apparently had more to do (and I couuld be
wwwayyyy offfff base, so don't flame me, mop-tops!) with the American
releases of early Beatles records than did George Martin.  Am I right, wrong,
weak, strong, WHAT!!?
Paz,
Lounge Laura
[e-mail]
"It's just my nature to do weird stuff..."


        Lounge Laura sez...

Ok, Ok...I was wrong on the name, knew it! It's not "Dan" Dexter about whom I

was inquiring...it was DAVE DEXTER...Now, for you exotica-types, he did some
stuff with Les Baxter...and to you Bomp!-types, he was also involved with
American-releases of early Beatles stuff...So, the lists oddly converge(as
oft
they do!)  A Beatles-Baxter connection, via Dexter!  BUT THAT'S ALL I KNOW!
And I need you philes to help me piece the rest of this together... HELP@!

        I believe that Dave Dexter was a staff producer at Capitol in the

        '50s-'60s. That's why his name is on a lot of old Capitol records.

        What was your original question again?

        (BTW - I know I owe you a private email regarding videos - it'll be

        forthcoming shortly!)

        Glenn




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Subject: Re: Dave Dexter
Date: 06 Sep 1996 14:10:47 -0400

                      RE>Dave Dexter                               9/6/96

To Glenn and all...Let me rephrase the question...I need to know the
connection between Dexter, the Beatles, and Les Baxter.  What exactly did
Dexter do with Baxter, and Dexter do with the Beatles?  Dexter, for instance,
is listed on Baxter's LE FEMME and apparently had more to do (and I couuld be
wwwayyyy offfff base, so don't flame me, mop-tops!) with the American
releases of early Beatles records than did George Martin.  Am I right, wrong,
weak, strong, WHAT!!?
Paz,
Lounge Laura
[e-mail]
"It's just my nature to do weird stuff..."


        Lounge Laura sez...

Ok, Ok...I was wrong on the name, knew it! It's not "Dan" Dexter about whom I

was inquiring...it was DAVE DEXTER...Now, for you exotica-types, he did some
stuff with Les Baxter...and to you Bomp!-types, he was also involved with
American-releases of early Beatles stuff...So, the lists oddly converge(as
oft
they do!)  A Beatles-Baxter connection, via Dexter!  BUT THAT'S ALL I KNOW!
And I need you philes to help me piece the rest of this together... HELP@!

        I believe that Dave Dexter was a staff producer at Capitol in the

        '50s-'60s. That's why his name is on a lot of old Capitol records.

        What was your original question again?

        (BTW - I know I owe you a private email regarding videos - it'll be

        forthcoming shortly!)

        Glenn




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From: [e-mail] (lou smith)
Subject: Re: what price exotica?
Date: 06 Sep 1996 21:10:04 GMT

On Sep 06, 1996 16:16:19, '[e-mail] (Jack Fetterman)'
wrote:
>i like putting together my own compilations with themes (all exotica
>related, of course). i've had them duped on cassette. i give them away as
>gifts to friends around new years.
>is this illegal?
>i've also thought about trying to sell them.
>what would happen if i did this? anybody know?
>jack

Hey Jack, didn't you know that home taping is killing music?
Is this something you can live with, that *YOU* personally killed *music*?

Lou
(Check the FAQ in alt.music.bootlegs  -- it'll probably answer most of your
questions)

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Tiki Tones
Date: 06 Sep 1996 15:32:55 +0000

While on vacation in Houston, I picked up a cool CD by the Tiki Tones.
Kind of surf-lounge instrumentals, but much better than the
run-of-the-mill stuff a lot of other modern bands are doing. And great
cover art, too. The title is "Idol Pleasures." Keep an eye out!

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From: [e-mail] (Marie Guinto)
Subject: Re: Tiki Tones
Date: 06 Sep 1996 15:04:02 -0800

>While on vacation in Houston, I picked up a cool CD by the Tiki Tones.
>Kind of surf-lounge instrumentals, but much better than the
>run-of-the-mill stuff a lot of other modern bands are doing. And great
>cover art, too. The title is "Idol Pleasures." Keep an eye out!

I Heart the Tiki Tones!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Marie
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Subject: Re: what price exotica?
Date: 06 Sep 1996 19:37:56 +0000

>i've also thought about trying to sell them.
>what would happen if i did this? anybody know?
>jack

Hey Jack, didn't you know that home taping is killing music?
Is this something you can live with, that *YOU* personally killed
*music*?

Bootlegs are one thing, but you can't find these records new to buy.

Jason

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From: Brad Bigelow <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Author of Caravan
Date: 06 Sep 1996 20:48:48 -0700

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> In a message dated 96-09-03 03:26:04 EDT, you wrote:
>
> > it's also one of those songs that's been done a thousand times but
> >  sounds different every time and is my nominee for best Exotica song of all
> >  time!
>
> Great bits of history in the early part of your message, really enjoyed it!  Caravan really would be a top contender for best Exotica song of all
time.
>  But I have to admit that I'm really partial to Martin Denny's rendition of Quiet Village as the definiative Exotica song of all time.
Tough call!

To plug my web site yet again, this is precisely its focus:  the songs
like "Caravan," "Quiet Village," "Third Man Theme," and others that have
been recorded over and over by exotica and space-age pop musicians.  You
can find a full bio of Juan Tizol, the author of "Caravan" (and "Perdido"
as well), a list of 80+ covers of "Caravan," and similar info.  Plus
liner notes and those much-beloved technical notes.

http://www.netrail.net/~bbigelow/homepage.htm

End of plug.

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From: "Heileson, Thomas" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Hugo Montenegro
Date: 05 Sep 1996 17:25:00 PDT


>Hugo was/is (anyone know?) a prolific arranger who contributed to schmultz,
>cheese, disco, soul, easy, pop, psych, what's left? I know I have passed
>LP's of his up in the bins, esp the early easy ones, but the late 60's and
>70's can be very entertaining. Actually Candy's Themes is rather haunting
>and good with the 'I Dream of Jeannie' theme on it somewhere. The LP's
>concept is musical portraits of women and girls (teenagers) with song
>titles like: Candy's Theme, Kitten, Fanny, Amber, etc. The liner notes tell
>us more than we want to know about Hugo. Is there something in REsearch on
>Him?
>
>Loves of My Life 1957
>In a Sentimental Mood 1962
>Candy's Theme and Other Sweets 1965
>Music from "A Fistfull of Dollars" and "The Good, The Bad and The Ugly"
1968
>Moog Power 1969
>Good Vibrations 1969
>Dawn of Dylan 1970
>People ...One to One 1971
>This is Hugo Montenegro 1971
>Neil's Diamonds 1973
>Hugo in Wonder-land 1974
>Rocket Man 1975
>Others by Brothers 1975
>Arriba! (no date)

A while ago I taped a CD compilation of Montenegro tunes called "The Good,
The Bad and The Ugly" -- came out a couple years ago, sports a photo of Hugo
amongst beaucoup seminude gals. My question is, has the "Good Vibrations"
album (or "Candy's Theme and Other Sweets," for that matter) been reissued
on CD? My folx used to play that on 8-track in the auto in the early 70s,
and hearing the whole album again would really take me back. (I had decided
at age 5 that the Montenegro version of The Turtles' "Happy Together" was my
all-time favorite song...)

Until then, I have the GB&U compilation's inclusion of "Knowing When To
Leave" -- which was on that there Good Vibes 8-track -- to tide me by...
this track is a Beaut!! A must-hear.

Happy ba-ba-ba's and wah-wah-wah's to all,

          +  ---                           Thom S. Heileson
         + + -        _oR_
          +  -            [e-mail] / [e-mail]

PS Speaking of CD reissues -- I know there are some CDs of various Sergio
Mendez $ Brasil '66 songs, but I haven't yet seen CDs of the acutal albums
such as "Equinox" (another raised-on-the-8-track one) or "Herb Alpert
Presents..." Does anyone know if CDs of the albums per se exist? I wouldn't
mind adding crisp digital recordings to the much-luvd scratchy vinyl...

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Subject: Re: Seattle Visit & Clubs &tc.
Date: 07 Sep 1996 03:50:44 -0700


To +++roger+++
----------
> BTW are there some good clubs (or record stores) in Seattle, cause I'm
there
> in October, I just heard of the Toe Club.

Oooooh, of course there are all sorts of clubs in Seattle which cater to
the Exotica Set. All you need to do is pick up a copy of free Seattle Rags
'The Stranger" or "The Rocket" to find all sorts of Lounge Clubs and the
Like... Unfortunately, I haven't been able to ever actually go to any of
them because most of them are real 'clubs' with drinking and such, and you
have to be 21... I'm not 21... But: Here's the problem I have with the
so-called 'Cocktail Revolution;' The thing about cocktail music is that it
is associated with cocktails! I find this unfortunate... I suppose that is
is cool and suave to sip cocktails, but I just don't agree with the alcohol
part... Why is it that there has to be such a strange mixture? Personally,
I just enjoy the music, but find it rather disgusting that I have to drink
in order to enjoy the music socially... Hmph! I'll just start my own club
thank you! No drinking for me... Why couldn't the cocktail revolution have
been based around tea, or Kool-Aid, or something innocent! That's why
Polynesian Food is such a Kick! Enough Straightedge babble, already! On to
the Music! So: clubs I'm not so sure about, although I have seen some marvy
posters hanging up on kiosks, etc. Record stores, however, that's more my
bag! I can do that legally, without fear of intoxication... I have found
that Western Washington has  proved to be an excellent area for purchasing
great records. There are Thrift stores everywhere! Record Stores too! Let's
see... A really fine place to go is this new and used music store in the
University District, off of 45th called Second Time Around which has a
whole enormous section marked off as 'Easy Listening' Which has lots of
good stuff, with an apparently erratic system of pricing. Some cool stuff
is really cheap, (there's a huge 49ó section of old stuff) while other
seemingly mediochre items are upwards of US$15! The 'real' music stores
like Golden Oldies sell records for the 'collector' price, (Don't be
surprised to see a dumpy old Tom Jones record selling for $5.00 or more!!!)
Aaand, if you don't want to process the rows and rows of dusty used
records, the Tower records chain has added a new 'lounge' section selling
greats like Yma Sumac (Amy Camus) and Les Baxter on compact disk for
$5.00-$17.00 - but that's kind of cheating, don't you think? As long as
you're in the Seattle area, you might as well venture northward, along the
I-5 corridor, where the Thrift Stores are not only dense, but they are not
nearly as well picked through, like some of the big city outlets. Good
places to try, where the Thrift stores cluster together are Everret, where
they have a big strip mall with JUST thrift stores, (Off of Broadway),
Marysville- creepy ghosty place just off the freeway, with an astonishing
number of thrift stores, that are virtually unnoticed. Mount Vernon (60
miles north of Seattle) has  another thrift store strip mall, and a great
selection of really good, cheap records, (due largely to ignorant
shopkeeps- they don't know how much people are willing to shell out for the
same stuff their grandparents discarded five years ago...) Good good good!
Bellingham gets a little thin in the exotica department, but they are home
to a number of contemporary "Surf Bands" on the Estrus Label (Man or Astro
Men, Shadowy Men on a Shadowy Planet, etc.) Which can be had pretty
reasonably. Hmmm. Yes... I'm sure other people will also be able to help
you out, but- OH! Ooooh! I almost forgot! Now I'm not sure if this is still
happening, but several years ago, maybe five, or so, I went to this place
called the Pike Street Cinema to see this film about G. G. Allen, which I
was only mildy interested it, BUT: we got there early, so before the show
the owner put on these cool old films called Scope-O-Tunes (sic) which
were, I seem to recall, special films produced in France for this special
jukebox which actually projected a music video on to a screen or
something... I fell to pieces! It was about the coolest thing I had ever
seen! They were like sort of professional, but sort of not, videos of
songs, mostly in English, but a few in French. And they wee only produced
for I think three years or something. Anyway, they were in gorgeous colour,
and I remember the best a song about go-go dancing, where some classy guy
was singing all about the various chic go-go moves on some estate or
somewhere, and then these scantally clad women would demonstrate them...
"Do the Swim! Do the Swim!" And this other where another where this dizzy
French girl was riding a carnival ride in somewhere like Paris, and as she
sang, the ride would go up and down, and her skirt kept flying up into her
face. (which she made no attempt to correct, I might add...) Anyhow, I was,
needless to say, overwhelmed by how cool they were, and VOWED that I would
return! I returned with a pamphlet which I still have somewhere advertising
"1960's Dance Party every Saturday Night at Midnight"  I, unfortunately,
have never had the chance to return. I hope and pray that the Pike Street
Cinema still exists and shows these Scope-o-toons still, but I don't know.
IF ANYONE CAN PROVIDE ANY INFORMATION ABOUT THE STATUS OF THE PIKE STREET
CINEMA, I WILL BE ETERNALLY GRATEFUL!!! But if it is still in exsistance,
BY ALL MEANS check it out! I think, that it was on Gerard Street...
Maybe... I know that it is, ironically, NOT on Pike Street, as the name
implies...
    Well, I guess I am not supposed to write this much in a single message,
but I seldom write at all, so it had kind of been building up...  Have fun
in Seattle +++roger+++, I hope you can put some of my info to use.
            Yours the Lost,
        Rev. Chrysler Mighuel Stewart
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Subject: Re: Seattle Visit & Clubs &tc.
Date: 07 Sep 1996 08:18:27 -0500 (CDT)

On Sat, 7 Sep 1996, Chrysler Mighuel Stewart wrote:

> in order to enjoy the music socially... Hmph! I'll just start my own club
> thank you! No drinking for me... Why couldn't the cocktail revolution have
> been based around tea, or Kool-Aid, or something innocent! That's why

i wouldn't call tea or kool-aid innocent.


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From: Joe Kilmartin <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Hugo Montenegro
Date: 07 Sep 1996 09:21:51 -0400

At 05:25 PM 05/09/1996 PDT, you wrote:

>
>A while ago I taped a CD compilation of Montenegro tunes called "The Good,
>The Bad and The Ugly" -- came out a couple years ago, sports a photo of Hugo
>amongst beaucoup seminude gals.

Indeed... This is the only Montenegro CDdomestically released in North
America.  Don't know about Europe...


I think the best all-round Montenegro compilatiom is probably the "This is
..." 2 record set.  Groove on "Lady In Cement" or his amazing cover of the
Our Man Flint" Theme.  Does anybody have the albulm(s) for his Matt Helm
movies.  This guy is usualy associated with his Spagetti Western theme
albumsbut his spy stuff and his loungecore/Partridg Family/Moog stuff
totally swings!

..so, yah, if you're wondering I am a big fan...


>PS Speaking of CD reissues -- I know there are some CDs of various Sergio
>Mendez $ Brasil '66 songs, but I haven't yet seen CDs of the acutal albums
>such as "Equinox" (another raised-on-the-8-track one) or "Herb Alpert
>Presents..." Does anyone know if CDs of the albums per se exist? I wouldn't
>mind adding crisp digital recordings to the much-luvd scratchy vinyl...

Again you may have to look to Japan for this stuff.  Just saw am import of
the Chris Monteaz A&M albums but ye-GODS those imports can cost an arm and a
leg.....


Joe "might be sticking with MASSIVE IRISH for a moniker" Kilmartin




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Gilbertos
Date: 07 Sep 1996 09:54:25 -0400

I just checked the name of the Wanderley album and it's "Samba Swing."
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From: Joe Kilmartin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Seattle Visit & Clubs &tc.
Date: 07 Sep 1996 09:45:19 -0400

Hmmmnnn...  Lots to talk about here....



At 03:50 AM 07/09/1996 -0700, you wrote:

> Unfortunately, I haven't been able to ever actually go to any of
>them because most of them are real 'clubs' with drinking and such, and you
>have to be 21... I'm not 21... But: Here's the problem I have with the
>so-called 'Cocktail Revolution;' The thing about cocktail music is that it
>is associated with cocktails! I find this unfortunate... I suppose that is
>is cool and suave to sip cocktails, but I just don't agree with the alcohol
>part... Why is it that there has to be such a strange mixture? Personally,
>I just enjoy the music, but find it rather disgusting that I have to drink
>in order to enjoy the music socially...

All I can say to this is you're gonna have to wait and try a Pina Collada
festooned with Umbrellasand served in a Pineapple shell with that Martin
Denny tune and it'll be like someone's turned on a light somewhere.
Drinking to excess isn't (neccesarily)cool but there's nothing like groovin'
to Lounge with a Martini in your hand that you can explain to someone who,
at this time, can't legally partake.   'Shame most places refuse entrance
rather than just carding when it seems appropriate, so more (and I can't
beleive I'm about to type the next word, it's SO freaking ED SULLIVAN)
youngsters can get into the swing...  This would be a priority to suggest to
someone openning their own Lounge...


>. Why couldn't the cocktail revolution have
>been based around tea, or Kool-Aid, or something innocent!

Hmnn... I beleive that the Rave scene might have been based on one of
those...  :)

8< -SNIP, SNIP- 8<
>Aaand, if you don't want to process the rows and rows of dusty used
>records, the Tower records chain has added a new 'lounge' section selling
>greats like Yma Sumac (Amy Camus) and Les Baxter on compact disk....

Okay... To open a thread that's probably been neatly tied up previously.  Is
there ANY truth to this whole AMY CAMUS from Jersey / Yma Sumac from Peru
business.?!?  Or is it one of those Palindromic word game co-incidences like
"A man, a plan, a canal, PANAMA" or" Some men interpret nine memos".

Those going for the name change are best to remember that sometimes things
aren't too odd to be possible...

>the owner put on these cool old films called Scope-O-Tunes (sic) which
>were, I seem to recall, special films produced in France for this special
>jukebox which actually projected a music video on to a screen or
>something... I fell to pieces! It was about the coolest thing I had ever
>seen! They were like sort of professional, but sort of not, videos of
>songs, mostly in English, but a few in French. And they were only produced
>for I think three years or something. Anyway, they were in gorgeous colour,
>and I remember the best a song about go-go dancing, where some classy guy
>was singing all about the various chic go-go moves on some estate or
>somewhere, and then these scantally clad women would demonstrate them...
>"Do the Swim! Do the Swim!"

Wait a second... "Shake A Tailfeather" is a SCOPE-O-TONE flick...!!?!  I may
now die in a rush of bliss...
Scope-O-Tones are available on video from a few sources...

Keep the faith, Rev.

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From: "kevin king" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: unmentioned finds from MS
Date: 07 Sep 1996 13:12:10 -0500

Russ Smith wrote:

>   Musique Experimentale            BAM LD-071
>  wackier than French's Mustard, you know this one.

No I don't!  Please tell us more.


kevin king
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From: [e-mail] (Jack Fetterman)
Subject: Re: what price exotica?
Date: 07 Sep 1996 18:27:55 GMT


>Hey Jack, didn't you know that home taping is killing music?
>Is this something you can live with, that *YOU* personally killed *music*?


nah, never  bothered me.

>Lou
>(Check the FAQ in alt.music.bootlegs  -- it'll probably answer most of
your
>questions)

thanks, i will.....

but you know, everyday i see these dance mix dj's hawking their tapes for
$12.00
on broadway. i think i should get one of those tape players, set up a table
with an umbrella, sip cocktails and hawk my exotica mix tapes.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: trends in exotica?
Date: 07 Sep 1996 14:40:22 -0400

At 09:05 AM 9/5/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Let's hope the Macarena goes sooner than later.

Amen..........


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: what price exotica?
Date: 07 Sep 1996 14:40:26 -0400

At 09:13 AM 9/5/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Having experienced Bleecker Bob personally years ago, I refuse to enter the
>store. He had a habit of picking fights with male customers and then putting
>his dog ( i think it was a doberman)  into attack mode. He would laugh as the
>guy went running out of the place. The women he would just hit on
>relentlessly until they left. Of course the prices alone would be enough to
>keep one from going in.

Sounds like a real asshole.  How does he stay in business?


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From: [e-mail] (Hugh Petfield)
Subject: Re: Seattle Visit & Clubs &tc.
Date: 07 Sep 1996 22:12:15 +0100


>
>Oooooh, of course there are all sorts of clubs in Seattle
<snipped>
>Well, I guess I am not supposed to write this much in a single message,
>        Rev. Chrysler Mighuel Stewart

P'raps not, but I for one enjoyed your Seattlescape very much.  Managed
to evoke a very imaginable image (tautology?) of the place.  A++.

BTW I agree about the alcohol point you raised.  It would be VERY
calorific, but I'd like to be able to order up a tall glass of that
syrupy liquid that tinned pineapple comes in, chilled.

Hugh.
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: DEAR LIST, WE LOST YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS!
Date: 07 Sep 1996 16:19:46 PST


Dear Exotica Mailing List people,

Some files of mine were deleted (my fault, don't wanna talk about it any more)
and with it went ALL THE EMAIL ADDRESSES FOR ALL OF YOU WHO WANT THE DIONYSUS
TEXT CATALOG when it comes out!

So please, anyone who wants to be on our emailing list (and wow, did we scoop up
tons more old exotica, lounge, SPABPM, garage, psych, surf and instro albums &
singles) PLEASE SEND YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS TO [e-mail] as I won't have
access to this current address by next week.


Love from Lee & Aime


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From: J P M <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: what price exotica?
Date: 07 Sep 1996 19:43:35 +0000

Funny thing about those mix tapes on B'way and Canal, one of my friends
owns one of the stands and he actually gets records direct from the
record company's as Promo's. They (the record company)see it as promo to
buy the Album and my friend even suggest they should get the CD or
Record.???

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From: J P M <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: what price exotica?
Date: 07 Sep 1996 19:45:30 +0000

Bleeker Boob stays in buisness because hey has a lot of Very rare
records and he is in a section that has a lot of tourist.???


J,

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From: Will Straw <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: what price exotica?
Date: 07 Sep 1996 20:06:36 -0400

Funny how people from  long distances away will learn
eventually that Bleaker Bob is to be avoided.  I remember visiting
the store in the early 1980s and realizing within five minutes that it was
a horrible place to be.  And isn't this the store much mocked in the
Seinfeld episode in which Kramer decides to go into the rare record
business?

Will
Will Straw
Associate Professor and Acting Director, Graduate Program in Communications/
Director, The Centre for Research on Canadian Cultural
Industries and Institutions
3465 rue Peel, Montreal, Quebec H3A 1W7

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From: "Jack Weber" <[e-mail]>
Subject: That new Levi's commercial is great!!!
Date: 07 Sep 1996 17:37:14 -0700

    With all of these e-mails about commercials, I thought I should put in an
honourable mention for the new Levi's add for the fifth pocket. The music
on that one is great. The comercial itself is also done very exotic-like.

                    Stay Swingin'
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From: [e-mail] (Jack Diamond)
Subject: Montenegro
Date: 07 Sep 1996 22:15:18 +0000

Groove on "Lady In Cement"
I agree wholeheartedly!!!  Lady in Cement is amazing!!!
Most of the score is true fuzzed out psych rockin' guitar/organ combo.
And it's all pretty much crime psych oriented.
Jilly's Joint, The Shark, Lady in Cement...at least 7 tunes ar killers
No pun intended

or his amazing cover of the
>Our Man Flint" Theme.
Oh yeah!!
Does anybody have the albulm(s) for his Matt Helm movies.
I've got it in mono.  Never seen a Stereo copy and paid 25 for the mono btw
worth every penny ;-)>

I did have the vocal version with Dean on the cover and a bevy of beauties
surrounding him but not my bag o' tea musically

This guy is usualy associated with his Spagetti Western theme
>albums but his spy stuff and his loungecore/Partridge Family/Moog stuff
>totally swings!
You are on it Sir!  Loungcore and Crime and Psych on Lady in Cement
Crime Loungecore on the soundtrack to The Silencers.  Matt Helm's Blues is
un-be-lieve-a-ble
Even great loungecore on his spagetti weestrn stuff
Aces High !!!

More whistling coming soon ;)

So NOBODY knows about the Nutty Squirrels ????????????????

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From: [e-mail] (Jack Diamond)
Subject: The Cocktail Revolution
Date: 07 Sep 1996 22:15:23 +0000

But: Here's the problem I have with the
>>so-called 'Cocktail Revolution;' The thing about cocktail music is that it
>>is associated with cocktails! I find this unfortunate...

I totally agree ;)  I rarely drink alcohol, don't like it and never have.

I gotta tell you this story;

This reminds me sooooooooooo much of when I was trying to get into and
understand the dead, grateful that is because all of my friends were nuts
about them and we listened to alot of the same music BUT they were NUTS
about the dead.  Couldn't figure it out to save my life.

I saw them 8 times and still hated them ;)) For free I saw them 8 times
mind you, all in Golden Gate park in San Francisco from about 1971-72.

That's when they told me that to _really get it_ I had to take some sort of
psychedelic drug.  So I did.

Double barrel orange sunshine

My real 1st show was at Winterland in 1972 I think, maybe later that was
filmed and became Steal Your Face.
I was an excellent show I must say and the thing of all is I never had to
drop again...if I didn't want to of course because I GOT IT.

That was a long time ago, were YOU even alive then ?;))))))))))
any of you ?  How old were you then ?

BTW, the show was 3 bucks and they let us in 8 hours early and we played
city against city volleyball on the huge floor and watched live shows in b
and w on a huge screen and smoked and snorted our brains rockin' in the
free world and here we are again with a "new drug of choice".

Oh man, thanx for listening
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From: "Chrysler Mighuel Stewart" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Bell Book & Candle
Date: 08 Sep 1996 03:39:27 -0700



Well, as per to Exotica Mailing List advice, I went out and rented 'Bell
Book and Candle' and just finished watching it! What a charming movie!
Can't beat that soundtrack, either! Zounds! Is that a NovaChord playing
along with the trumpets and bongos? Nova Chords are definately cool! And
the boss sound effects were also quite good! (See also Hanna-Barbera
cartoons for the 'Magic' Sound "Wonder Twin Powers- ACTIVATE!!!") But
Gillian should have never given up her Native African and Oceanic Art Shop
in favour of that old Flowers of the Sea place... For some reason, I was
reminded of another great Movie, which I only saw part of many years ago. I
was wondering if anybody else had heard of it: It was an Italian Sci-Fi
Flick called (I think,) "It's a wild, wild, wild Planet" and it was very
good, with little models which ended up getting destroyed, and visible
fishing line when things hovered. That part alone made it worth seeing, but
also, also- It seemed to have one of the most astounding soundtracks I had
ever heard! Not really the type of music that went along with the plot or
anything- Almost as out of synch as the dialogue was with the actors'
mouths! Great! I don't remember many specifics about the music; only that
my mind tagged the soundtrack as good. It seems pretty obscure, however;
I've never seen it in catalogues, probably about 1966 or so- Italian, of
course. Hmmm. There was this other film too, and I BELIEVE that it may have
been the space movie about the Abomidable Snowmen, terribly dull, but I had
it recorded, and the soundtrack was quite organy and delicious, a lß Walter
Wanderly. Could this be?!
        By the Grace of God,
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From: [e-mail] (Jack Fetterman)
Subject: Re: Montenegro
Date: 08 Sep 1996 10:57:44 GMT

On Sep 07, 1996 22:15:18, '[e-mail] (Jack Diamond)' wrote:


>So NOBODY knows about the Nutty Squirrels ????????????????

well, yeah, i know about them. i have their thrird album which you
correctly criticize. i bought it because i was hoping there would be
something on it as good as "uh oh."
wasn't that used as the theme for betaville? i fondly remember a single
called "we're getting nuttin' for christmas," from my childhood. was this
by the "nutty squirels?"

jack

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From: [e-mail] (Jack Fetterman)
Subject: Re: what price exotica?
Date: 08 Sep 1996 11:04:54 GMT

On Sep 07, 1996 14:40:26, '[e-mail]' wrote:


>Sounds like a real asshole.  How does he stay in business?

re: bleecker bob

well, one positive thing i can say about the store is that he's got some
great people working there. talk to john about soundtracks/exotica or talk
to mark about obscure industrial/power electronics. i was hoping that
either one of them would be there. bob just makes the place feel like a
subway toilet.

jack

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From: "Chrysler Mighuel Stewart" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Scope-o-Tones
Date: 08 Sep 1996 04:08:08 -0700

Howdy All!
    Rev. Chrysler Mighuel Stewart tuning in:
    Anyhow: previously on the Exotica Front, Joe "Massive Irish" Kilmartin
casually mentioned that Scope-O-Tones are available on video from a few
sources... Well then! Please! Where Sir are these sources?! That would be
plenty worth buying instead of wasting my money going to college! If there
really is some location at which these videos could be secured, please,
submit such knowledge for those whom seek the ultra bella fab! Thank you
thank you!
            By the grace of God, I remain.
                Rev. Chrysler Mighuel Stewart
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From: [e-mail] (Jack Fetterman)
Subject: Re: The Cocktail Revolution
Date: 08 Sep 1996 11:31:09 GMT

On Sep 07, 1996 22:15:23, '[e-mail] (Jack Diamond)' wrote:


>But: Here's the problem I have with the
>>>so-called 'Cocktail Revolution;' The thing about cocktail music is that
it
>>>is associated with cocktails! I find this unfortunate...
>
>I totally agree ;)  I rarely drink alcohol, don't like it and never have.

you aren't the first people i've run into that embrace this musical genre
yet find cocktails repugnant. i was shocked when i walked a martini down
the block to jerry nutter when he opened a store in the east village and he
confessed that he had never tasted one before.

Jack is obviously one of the mentors of the "cocktail nation," so i will
not pass judgement, but man, a well schemed series of cocktails really
enhances my enthusiasm for listening...not necessary, but apropos.

So, allow me to cast a nod towards the appreciation of mixology as an
integral ingredient of this phenomenon.

jack

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From: David Bailey <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Montenegro
Date: 08 Sep 1996 11:19:08 +0000

>or his amazing cover of the
>>Our Man Flint" Theme.
>Oh yeah!!
>Does anybody have the albulm(s) for his Matt Helm movies.
>I've got it in mono.  Never seen a Stereo copy and paid 25 for the mono btw
>worth every penny ;-)>


I just watched the video of "In Like Flint." It is truly amazing....Flint talking
to dolphins, Crazy soundtrack, Flint's groovin bachelor pad (and his 3 loyal
assistants) "Fabulous Face" beauty retreat for ladies into world domination,
and memorable lines, like "An actor for President?!!!" and "well, ladies have
you learned your lesson?"

All in all very amusing, very wacky and very cool. Oh, and very
misogynous...circa 1967.

David Bailey
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From: [e-mail] (Jill Mingo)
Subject: Rave on
Date: 08 Sep 1996 15:48:43 -0600 (MDT)

Hey,
>
>>. Why couldn't the cocktail revolution have
>>been based around tea, or Kool-Aid, or something innocent!
>
>Hmnn... I beleive that the Rave scene might have been based on one of
>those...  :)
>
Just a quickie. True-ish, to a point. If you take ecstacy/speed/or acid, you
enjoy it more sober was the thinking behind this. Then there are "smart
drinks" based on herbs, designed to make you feel like you're on drugs (only
in the mildest way). But 9 out of 10 real "ravers" (this means people who
enjoy music in a club environment, not people who listen to cheesy machine
tack as heard in some charts around the world) prefer establishments that
serve booze. It is true. So you swap one drug (booze) for another (Illegal
stuff). These are NOT "straight edge" envirnoments - but can be extremely
enjoyable nonetheless, and more and more electronic music is encorporating
lounge sentimentalities as well as funky soundtrack vibes. Free your musical
mind and your ass will follow...

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From: "Robbie Baldock" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Today's haul!
Date: 08 Sep 1996 19:32:55 +0000

Well, another Sunday, another car boot sale and another pile of cheap
records to pile up!

Run your ears over these beauties:

Enoch Light - presents a Stereo Spectacular (Australian title)
Hot Butter - Popcorn (LP which also features their Moog versions of
             Apache and Telstar - woof!)
Richard Gleason Orch - TV Themes (on the Tops label, yellow vinyl)
Big Jim H - Hammond Dance Party
Bob Newhart - Button Down Mind on TV
Caterina Valente & Stanley Black - I Wish You Love
Herb Albert - The Lonely Bull (Australian issue)
Wout Steenhuis - Hawaiian Christmas

A total rip-off LP:

Stradivari Strings - The Ping Pong Percussion Sound of Leroy Anderson

which has barely any percussion whatsoever (apart from a few intros
copied from the likes of "Persuasive Percussion") - the rest is
really tame orchestral dreck.  If anyone wants this, you're welcome!

And one of the strangest records I've ever heard:

Happy Monsters - An Adventure in the Land of Oog (Happy House
Records)

One side is a story and the other has some rockin' cuts:  Ooog Frug,
Monster Rock, See See Monster, Clap Your Tentacles, Kiss Me Goognight!!!

Not listened to the story yet but the tracks are basically squeaky
toys, rattles and other playthings almost obliterating fairly uptempo
poppy tunes.

One for the kids?!


Robbie

Spaced Out - the Enoch Light WWW Site *** *** *** ***
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From: [e-mail] (Jill Mingo)
Subject: Re: what price exotica?
Date: 08 Sep 1996 16:33:03 -0600 (MDT)

>At 09:13 AM 9/5/96 -0400, you wrote:
>>Having experienced Bleecker Bob personally years ago, I refuse to enter the
>>store. He had a habit of picking fights with male customers and then putting
>>his dog ( i think it was a doberman)  into attack mode. He would laugh as the
>>guy went running out of the place. The women he would just hit on
>>relentlessly until they left. Of course the prices alone would be enough to
>>keep one from going in.
>
>Sounds like a real asshole.  How does he stay in business?
>

Gee, has everyone experienced this guy? I have been to New York twice now,
and only went back in the second time to look through the bins like a
library because there was no way in hell I would find money to buy the
stuff. Yeah, he didn't half talk my ear off either, and although he was nice
to me (maybe those bumps on the front of my chest has something to do with
it, who knows?), I couldn't help but feeling that he was an obnoxious cocky
git.

As for staying in business, I think those wealthy foreigners looking for a
quick fix for their collections keep him going. Lord knows his mark up is
high enough.

Just a though.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Beat Girl
Date: 08 Sep 1996 13:08:46 -0400

There's a Suncoast store in San Francisco. It's in the Stonestown shopping
mall, second floor.
Gloria

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From: [e-mail] (Hugh Petfield)
Subject: Nutty notes
Date: 08 Sep 1996 23:34:39 +0100

>On Sep 07, 1996 22:15:18, '[e-mail] (Jack Diamond)' wrote:
>i fondly remember a single
>called "we're getting nuttin' for christmas," from my childhood. was this
>by the "nutty squirrels?"

... the version which made it over to the UK was by some guys called
Kenny and Korky.  Label, perhaps Bigtop or a subsidiary.  Norm N Nite's
"Rock On" dictionary of Rock and Roll (pub 1974) lists The Nutty
Squirrels as Sascha Burland and Don Elliot from NY, NY. "Nuttin' for
Christmas" isn't listed by them, only "Uh! Oh! Part 2", which was a
hit over the Christmas 1959 season (same time as "Nuttin' for Christmas"
would have been).  It's not impossible, though, for Kenny and Korky
to have been the same people as the Nutty Squirrels.  More aliases,
more labels, more records, more dough!

Not sure if this posting is about exotica, or just obscure stuff!

Observation: doesn't really odd stuff get into the charts at Christmastime?
How about we all make a push and get Yma to #1 this Yuletide?

Especial regards to the Rev'd, and Laura.
Hope your month is going well.  Hugh.

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From: "Chrysler Mighuel Stewart" <[e-mail]>
Subject: On Reissue 'Cheating'...
Date: 08 Sep 1996 16:06:30 -0700

(Reprinted from a previous message)

Just wanted to clear up that whole CD Reissue/cheating concept: It's not
really cheating- not really, BUT- In Seattle, it's fairly easy to find much
of the popular exotica stuff in thrift stores, if you're willing to get
your fingers a bit dusty. The only thing that is bad about these CD
Reissues is the price! I suppose that's the cost of being popular- but it's
always kind of a snicker seeing Martin Denny CDs for US$17 in the stores
after buying them at a flea market for a quarter! Don't get me wrong, I
have bought CD Reissues of certain Exotica Groups- But really, I sort of
found myself balking at paying US$5 for a Yma Sumac sampler... I'm not
really used to paying that kind of money for music, (Unless, of course, it
is the wonderful Pizzicato Five- I have been known to go temporarily insane
and shell out $40 for a single CD!) usually I even think paying more than,
say $2 for a record, a used record, mind you, is alot... Still, the local
thrift stores are always getting new and unusual shipments, and I can't
help but be drawn to them... Still, (on the macabre side,) as I once said
many years ago, there are only so many old ladies who can pass away, and
have their collections donated to charity... That's why I always do my part
and return records into the system. (Like Burt Kamphbert (Sp?) and Ray
Connif- I just don't really like them, but I know that SOME people DO!) So-
That's that.
                    Humbly,
                Rev. Chrysler Mighuel Stewart
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From: [e-mail] (boudinot enterprises)
Subject: exotica initiation
Date: 08 Sep 1996 00:42:27 +0200

introductions!  i am new charter member steven malcom, a fresh new mind for
the exotica mailing list!  i am an admirer of esquivel, yma, combustible
edison, and many others.  in fact last monday i saw combustible edison play
at bumbershoot...they were great!  lily was sooo good and the group played
fantastically.  I am still learning about cocktail music, so if you know of
any good cocktail resource information centers, let me know.

Till then,

steven malcom

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From: Jay Watterworth <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: The Cocktail Revolution
Date: 08 Sep 1996 00:00:27 -0600 (MDT)

Don't know if I should be so frank, but guess the statute of limitations
covers me.  Yes, I remember the double domed (we called them double
domed, but I think we are talking about the same beast: rather large
barrels, relatively speaking, with curved top and bottoms) orange
sunshine.  That was interesting.  I think the double domed purple were
even more so; and the window panes...; etc., etc., ad nauseam.  What, are
you gettin' grey, too?
Never really got off on the Dead's music either, though they are
interesting to me from a sociological standpoint.
The irony is that this semester I am teaching a class called "Drugs in US
Society".  What goes around, comes around, I guess.
Yours from one of the sociological guys,
Jay Watterworth
CU Boulder

On Sat, 7 Sep 1996, Jack Diamond wrote:

> But: Here's the problem I have with the
> >>so-called 'Cocktail Revolution;' The thing about cocktail music is that it
> >>is associated with cocktails! I find this unfortunate...
>
> I totally agree ;)  I rarely drink alcohol, don't like it and never have.
>
> I gotta tell you this story;
>
> This reminds me sooooooooooo much of when I was trying to get into and
> understand the dead, grateful that is because all of my friends were nuts
> about them and we listened to alot of the same music BUT they were NUTS
> about the dead.  Couldn't figure it out to save my life.
>
> I saw them 8 times and still hated them ;)) For free I saw them 8 times
> mind you, all in Golden Gate park in San Francisco from about 1971-72.
>
> That's when they told me that to _really get it_ I had to take some sort of
> psychedelic drug.  So I did.
>
> Double barrel orange sunshine
>
> My real 1st show was at Winterland in 1972 I think, maybe later that was
> filmed and became Steal Your Face.
> I was an excellent show I must say and the thing of all is I never had to
> drop again...if I didn't want to of course because I GOT IT.
>
> That was a long time ago, were YOU even alive then ?;))))))))))
> any of you ?  How old were you then ?
>
> BTW, the show was 3 bucks and they let us in 8 hours early and we played
> city against city volleyball on the huge floor and watched live shows in b
> and w on a huge screen and smoked and snorted our brains rockin' in the
> free world and here we are again with a "new drug of choice".
>
> Oh man, thanx for listening
> Jack
>
>
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Subject: Re: DEAR LIST, WE LOST YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS!
Date: 08 Sep 1996 16:34:42 +0000


pls keep me posted!

steve sando


Coconut Grove, publishers of MisterLUCKY
PO Box 78146, San Francisco, CA 94107
http://www.wco.com/~coconutg/
"Strange how potent cheap music is" - Noel Coward

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From: J P M <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: what price exotica?
Date: 08 Sep 1996 21:09:01 +0000

As for staying in business, I think those wealthy foreigners looking for
a quick fix for their collections keep him going. Lord knows his mark up
is high enough.


Actually i had a friend that worked at a store 'round the corner,He once
told me he gives "shit "for most of the record's he buys (i.e. $5 bucks
for Moog records ,Blue Note stuff ....)Ndmarks them $50,$75,even a $100
for Moog /Hymen/Carlos stuff. And you should of seen when he found out
about Esquvel ....($100 and up ?)


Jason
Vocod'o'rama
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From: [e-mail] (Daniel Taub)
Subject: Eden Ahbez is Still Alive?
Date: 08 Sep 1996 19:20:21 -0700

Anyone know anything about a CD by Eden Ahbez called "Echoes from Nature
Boy" that came out last year on Accent Records? Saw it in a record store
... it had a version of "Nature Boy," a song called "Nature Girl," a song
called "No Bums Allowed" and about eight other songs. The black-and-white
picture on the cover is Eden as a spry young man, but there's a color
picture of him on the back looking rather like Willie Nelson.

Anyone know about this? Is it any good? I didn't even know Se=F1or Ahbez was
still alive...

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From: Bryan Jare Cuevas <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Today's Haul
Date: 08 Sep 1996 22:02:46 -0400 (EDT)

Hit it big today in Richmond, VA....

HENRY MANCINI  **  $5.00 all titles VG+/NM **
    The Blues and the Beat
    Mr. Lucky
    Combo!
    High Time Soundtrack
    Mr. Lucky Goes Latin
    Hatari! Soundtrack
        Total Mancini Purchase - $30

** The $2.00 Pile **

ARTHUR LYMAN
    Yellow Bird (HiFi)
    Arthur Lyman on Broadway  (HiFi)
JIMMY SMITH
    The Cat  (Verve)
CY COLEMAN
    The Troublemaker Soundtrack  (Ava)
THE THREE SUNS
    Dancing on a Cloud  (RCA)
SANTO & JOHNNY
    Wish You Love  (Canadian American)
GEORGE SHEARING QUINTET
    Latin Escapade  (Capitol)
    Satin Affair  (Capitol)
EDDIE LAYTON
    No Blues on This Cruise  (Mercury)
DON BAKER
    Bakers Dozen  (Capitol)
JACKIE DAVIS
    Hi-Fi Hammond  (Capitol)
PETE RUGOLO & HIS ORCHESTRA
    10 Saxophones and 2 Basses  (Mercury)
DICK HYMAN
    The Man From O.R.G.A.N.  (Command)
TONY MOTTOLA
    Guitar...Mottola  (Command)
    Heart & Soul  (Command)
EARL GRANT
    Ebb Tide  (Decca)
    Spotlight on Earl Grant  (Decca)
    Beyond the Reef  (Decca)

....and a few more oddities.

So you see folks, it pays not to pay - Thrift Shopping is still
alive! Get out of California!

take care
bryan cuevas

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From: [e-mail] (Jack Diamond)
Subject: Xmas Squirrels
Date: 08 Sep 1996 23:00:22 +0000

"uh oh."
>wasn't that used as the theme for betaville? i fondly remember a single
>called "we're getting nuttin' for christmas," from my childhood. was this
>by the "nutty squirels?"
>
>jack

Jack,

Y'know...I did have a non-lp 45 that was a promo that were 2 xmas tunes.
I don't have it anymore and no regrets ;-)>
I couldn't deal with it as it reminded me toooooo much of the chipmunks.

It was also my understanding that the nutty squirrels had some sort of
cartoon tv show.

Know anything about that ?

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From: [e-mail] (Jack Diamond)
Subject: Whacked out kids rekkids
Date: 08 Sep 1996 23:06:52 +0000

>And one of the strangest records I've ever heard:
>
>Happy Monsters - An Adventure in the Land of Oog (Happy House
>Records)
>
>One side is a story and the other has some rockin' cuts:  Ooog Frug,
>Monster Rock, See See Monster, Clap Your Tentacles, Kiss Me Goognight!!!
>
>Not listened to the story yet but the tracks are basically squeaky
>toys, rattles and other playthings almost obliterating fairly uptempo
>poppy tunes.
>
>One for the kids?!

>Robbie

Robbie!

Yeah, Peter Pan has some really pop weird moog stuff and also keep an eye
out for Beneath The Planet of The Apes or something like that on a kids
label with a cartoon cover.

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From: [e-mail] (Jack Diamond)
Subject: Bleeker Bob's in L.A.
Date: 08 Sep 1996 23:10:07 +0000

In L.A. on Melrose I believe there is a store by this guy.
I went in a couple of years ago and there was Esquivel rekkids on the wall
at a hunnert bucks.  They're not THAT rare.

I looked around and saw high prices ON BEAT REKKIDS.

Guess he's got the west coast covered too

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From: [e-mail] (Jill Mingo)
Subject: Re: what price exotica?
Date: 08 Sep 1996 15:48:07 -0600 (MDT)


>but you know, everyday i see these dance mix dj's hawking their tapes for
>$12.00
>on broadway. i think i should get one of those tape players, set up a table
>with an umbrella, sip cocktails and hawk my exotica mix tapes.
>
>jack


jack,

All I can say is selling mix tapes is definately illegal. Lots of people do.
Very few get busted, but some DO!! Giving them to your friends may also be
illegal technically, but I have never heard of anyone getting busted from
this. With this kind of music, it can be so damn hard to find that I really
appreciate people (and return the favour) who make tapes of stuff I can't
get. But no doubt, I will buy the original or reissue if it exists or can be
found. And taping an out of print release is hardly "killing" music. No one
gets a royalty for buying second hand music. If anything, this keeps "dead"
music alive by generating interest to the extent that a reissue might take
place.

So tape at will, and sell at your own risk...

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From: Joe Kilmartin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Rave on
Date: 09 Sep 1996 07:55:31 -0400

At 03:48 PM 08/09/1996 -0600, you wrote:
>Hey,

8< Snip, snip...8<

> 9 out of 10 real "ravers" (this means people who
>enjoy music in a club environment, not people who listen to cheesy machine
>tack as heard in some charts around the world) prefer establishments that
>serve booze. It is true. So you swap one drug (booze) for another (Illegal
>stuff). These are NOT "straight edge" envirnoments - but can be extremely
>enjoyable nonetheless, and more and more electronic music is encorporating
>lounge sentimentalities as well as funky soundtrack vibes. Free your musical
>mind and your ass will follow...


Indeed... Point WELL taken (I was just jokin' , Jill..That's why the smiley
face was there!  :)  ).  Two or three of my friends who are more into club
and rave music than I am have been lurking around the list here lately too...

No offence was intended to those into electronic music in any form...

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From: Jay Watterworth <[e-mail]>
Subject: Laser Turntable for DJ's (fwd)
Date: 08 Sep 1996 23:20:06 -0600 (MDT)

Yet more on the mythical laser turntable.
Jay

---------- Forwarded message ----------

Just got back to Auckland and I can confirm for anyone who is interested that
there is indeed a magic CD turntable which will let you do everything you used
to be able to do with vinyl and lots more.

It is manufactured by Pioneer Electonics out of Japan and has the model number
CDJ500.

I believe that we have a brochure in the building here somewhere that I can
track down if anyone wants more info.

Regards,

Gino Cappel
Thought for the day: "A few days ago it  was fight procrastination day. If I get
round to it, I might give that some thought."

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From: "Anton J. Elmquist" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Bored? New Pictures on OYABANDO site...
Date: 09 Sep 1996 12:09:56 -0400

Hey, all...

Just did a major bunch of updates to the OYABANDO site - lots of silly
pictures of Aya and Steve and a new look with things that move around
and make noise and stuff. For if you're sitting at work being really
bored. Like I am. It's a frames-only thing, though, so if you're
frames-challenged, don't go there. If not, check out:

http://www.spacelab.net/~anton/oyabando

- Anton
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* http://www.spacelab.net/~anton                          *
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* And the OYABANDO page - Surf music links and more...    *
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From: [e-mail] (Johan Dada Vis)
Subject: Quincy Jones CDs: help needed
Date: 09 Sep 1996 19:30:37 +0100

these are some of the low-cost Quincy Jones CD titles i found in GMX; can
someone recommend some of them, as being "cool", "groovy" or "hip"?

 A&M397074      A&M GOLD SERIES

 THAT012525     ABSTRACTIONS                    THAT'S JAZZ

 K9260202       BACK ON THE BLOCK               WEA

 A&M393200      BEST

 A&M393191      BODY HEAT

 A&M372121      DUDE

 VERV589529     GITANES JAZZ                    VERVE

 GoLD017742     GOLD                            GOLD

 MAGi490851     MAGIC COLLECTION

 JAVE100327     QUINCY JONES                    JAVELIN PROMOTIONS LTD

 JAZZ940455     QUINCY JONES & ORCHESTRA        JAZZ MAN

 MCA572825      QUINTESSENCE

 VERV077423     STRIKE UP THE BAND              VERVE

 MCP563907      THE JONES BOYS

 iMPU111522     THIS IS HOW I FEEL ABOUT JAZZ   IMPULS/GRP

 CHAR233621     WALK ON THE WILD SIDE           CHARLY DISTRIBUTION
                                                MUSIC DE-LUXE SPECIA

 JAVE018225     WARTERMELON MAN                 JAVELIN PROMOTIONS

 JAZZ906052     WATERMELON MAN                  JAZZMATICO

Thanx!
= Johan |)/\|)/\ Vis



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From: "Laura Taylor" <[e-mail]>
Subject: the ap on Tony B
Date: 09 Sep 1996 15:07:35 -0400

IMHO:  Tony, is of course, _____BETTER_____ than Madonna...but the MACARENA
folks on this group might not think so ;^)
Hi to the overseas gang:  Hugh, Stephan, and Jill Mingo-au-go-go(I like that
better :)
LUV-from Lounge Laura
[e-mail]
"It's just my nature to do weird stuff..."


TONY BENNETT: MR. MADONNA
   (AP Los Angeles) -- Tony Bennett may be trying out a new nickname. He
tells ``The Hollywood Reporter'' he was the Madonna of his time, because he
had so many hits early in his career. Now, Bennett says it's nice to be
collecting awards so many years later, such as the Emmy he won Sunday night
for outstanding variety or music performance. His big complaint these days is
with the lack of adult music being played on American radio stations. Bennett
says radio should be more sensitive to the large audience that loves more
mature music.


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From: [e-mail] (D. Scott Springer)
Subject: Golden Disc
Date: 10 Sep 1996 00:53:07 GMT

>----- Forwarded message ([e-mail] (Jack Diamond)) -----<


In L.A. on Melrose I believe there is a store by this guy.
I went in a couple of years ago and there was Esquivel rekkids on the wall
at a hunnert bucks.  They're not THAT rare.

Well, actually another place in NYC that has not been mentioned recently is
Golden Disc on Bleecker Street.  They have stuff like Baxter's
"Kaleidoscope" for $67.00!  I also saw a lousy copy of Esquivel's "Other
Worlds. Other Sounds" for $99!!!

On the other hand, they sometimes put good stuff in the $1.00 bins, for
example a mint copy of Riddle's "Route 66 Theme and Other Great TV Themes.

Generally I would say to stay away from the EZ bins upstairs...Footlight
will have better copies of the same records for far less.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: FS: exotica, etc. records (e-mail me for list)
Date: 09 Sep 1996 21:40:04 -0400


I have a list of 40 or so records (space age pop, exotica, 50s/60s pop jazz,
crime/spy soundtracks, etc.) for sale on a best-offer bid basis, with a bid
deadline of Sept. 21, 1996. Except for a fabulous condition Spike Jones disc
and a Raymond Scott 4-disc album set which are 78s, everything else is 12"
LPs. I've posted details/the list to alt.exotic-music. Contact me by e-mail
direct at [e-mail] (NOT THE MAILING LIST!) if you'd like it e-mailed to
you.

Thanks,
Michael David Toth
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Jack Fetterman)
Subject: Re: FS: exotica, etc. records (e-mail me for list)
Date: 10 Sep 1996 03:48:44 GMT

hey michael,

i am interested in your list.


jack

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From: J P M <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: FS: exotica, etc. records (e-mail me for list)
Date: 10 Sep 1996 01:06:29 +0000

What Songs are on the Raymond scott 78's

J

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From: "Brian Kuhr" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Mickey One Soundtrack
Date: 10 Sep 1996 07:07:53 UT

Does anyone have any info on the CD re-issue of the soundtrack to "Mickey
One", Arthur Penn's wonderfully nutty allegory about an unfunny comedian
(played by Warren Beatty)being pursued through Chicago by an all-powerful mob?
 The score is a Stan Getz-Eddie Sauter collaboration with a conceit unique to
soundtrack albums far as I know---that Stan Getz and his tenor sax are
actually portraying the title character. ("What is the sound of terror?--The
sound of loneliness, fear and the city?It is a contemporary sound. The sound
of now.").Hokey as that sounds it works---Stan Getz' sax drips existential
angst as he traverses a musical universe that ranges from cool jazz to Las
Vegas grind with even a polka thrown in  for local color, fer chrissake. One
of the all-time great soundtracks I think, alas, my vinyl copy has a coupla
skips and I'd love to find the CD. BTW, I wish Rush Street really looked like
the nightlife district in the movie---every bouncer wears a costume outta some
Sinbad movie and the bars all have names like "Club Exotica".

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From: Charles Fensch <[e-mail]>
Subject: Ultra-Lounge
Date: 10 Sep 1996 09:44:20 +0000

I saw the Christmas at the Ultra-Lounge CD at a Blockbuster Music
yesterday. Probably will pick it up a little closer to the holiday.

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From: "Laura Taylor" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Ultra-Lounge
Date: 10 Sep 1996 12:15:06 -0400

                      RE>Ultra-Lounge                              9/10/96

Saw it, too, and it got me a-wonderin':
1.  Has anyone heard this particular disk?  Lots of good sangers on
it...Here's the question, buy it new or used?
2.  What are the list-members recommendations for holiday tunes?  My
collection is a bit light in this dept., save for some crooners, the Three
Suns and the Ventures...
And, as usual for me, the wwweeeiirddderrrr, the better!
Waitin' for Halloween,
Lounge Laura
[e-mail]
I saw the Christmas at the Ultra-Lounge CD at a Blockbuster Music
yesterday. Probably will pick it up a little closer to the holiday.

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From: "Laura Taylor" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Quincy Jones CDs- help n
Date: 10 Sep 1996 12:19:41 -0400

                      RE>Quincy Jones CDs: help needed             9/10/96

and which ones are CRIME JAZZ?
lounge laura
[e-mail]

these are some of the low-cost Quincy Jones CD titles i found in GMX; can
someone recommend some of them, as being "cool", "groovy" or "hip"?

 A&M397074      A&M GOLD SERIES

 THAT012525     ABSTRACTIONS                    THAT'S JAZZ

 K9260202       BACK ON THE BLOCK               WEA

 A&M393200      BEST

 A&M393191      BODY HEAT

 A&M372121      DUDE

 VERV589529     GITANES JAZZ                    VERVE

 GoLD017742     GOLD                            GOLD

 MAGi490851     MAGIC COLLECTION

 JAVE100327     QUINCY JONES                    JAVELIN PROMOTIONS LTD

 JAZZ940455     QUINCY JONES & ORCHESTRA        JAZZ MAN

 MCA572825      QUINTESSENCE

 VERV077423     STRIKE UP THE BAND              VERVE

 MCP563907      THE JONES BOYS

 iMPU111522     THIS IS HOW I FEEL ABOUT JAZZ   IMPULS/GRP

 CHAR233621     WALK ON THE WILD SIDE           CHARLY DISTRIBUTION
                                                MUSIC DE-LUXE SPECIA

 JAVE018225     WARTERMELON MAN                 JAVELIN PROMOTIONS

 JAZZ906052     WATERMELON MAN                  JAZZMATICO

Thanx!
= Johan |)/\|)/\ Vis



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From: [e-mail] (Jack Diamond)
Subject: Playlist for 3-24-96
Date: 10 Sep 1996 10:49:20 +0000

KFJC play list 3/24
Sundays 89.7FM 9AM-Noon
Los Altos Hills, CA
Jack Diamond's House of Games

ARTIST                          TRACK                   ALBUM
Planets                         Chunky
Rolley Polley                   Blue Rhumba                     Capitol/B.Black
Bernie Green Orch.              Out of this World               Futura/RCA/SA
Richard Hayman                  Dansero                 GELLM/Command
An anthem for a generation!!!
Sexadelic Dance Party           Droge C X 9             Vampyros Lesbos
Anita Kerr Singers              Bye Bye (Peter Gunn vocal)      RCA/65
Billy May Orch                  Window Washer           Johnny Cool/62
Nordine                         Junkman                 DOT/SON/58
Piero Umiliani                  It's Nice to Be a Woman Sweden H & Hell
Esquivel                        Malaguena Selarosa      Genius of
Muzzy Marcellino                I'm on My Way           Liberty
Russ Garcia/Ray Brown/          Don Fagerquist/Bob Cooper
Shakespeare, John Orchestra     Mucho Mexico SEVEN-0    coll: Easy Project
Jimmie Haskel Orch.             Weightless Blues        Countdown
Laurie Johnson                  The Shake               Easy Project
Mancini                         Hawaii 5-0              Dick Nash-Trb Solo

Roy Clark                       Caravan                 Yet Another Version!
Bald Bill Hogan                 Koochie Galore          Strip Tease Party
Marco Polo Adventurers          Yokahama Ferryboat      RCA
Sascha Burland/Mason Adams      The Arranger
Pierre Henry                    Rock Electronique       Mass for Today
John Dankworth                  The Party               The Idol
Sexadelic Dance Party           Dedicated to Love       Vampyros Lesbos
Ferrante Teicher                L O V E                 Blast Off
Los Indios Tabajaras            Maria Elena             63/RCA
Esquivel                        I Love Paris            Strings Aflame
W/ Carl Fonatana - Bass Accordian
Sumac, Yma                      Remember                Miracles
John Keating                    Dreamer                 Studio 2, E M I
A R P, Vinyl
Quincy Jones                    Psychosis               Slender Thread
Mundel Lowe All Stars w/        The Thin Man Theme      59/RCA
Jimmy Cleveland,  Ed Shaughnessy, Donald Byrd, Eddie Costa
Chun King Radio Comm.           The New Chun King       1966 Awards
Martin Denny                    Quiet Village                   Moog69/Liberty
Angelo Badalamenti              The Pink Room           Twin Pks Fire Walk
Leonard Rosenman                Brent's Interrogation   Beneath the Planet
Nino Rota, Novacord             Juliette's Theme        Juliette...Spirits
Marty Manning Orch              Night on Bald Mountain  Twilight Zone
w/Mundell Lowe-Guitar           Columbia, 1960
Christopher Komeda              Christmas               Rosemary's Baby
Synthesonic Sounds              House of Rising Sun
Michel Magne                    Brazil                  Tropical Fantasies
on Columbia
Jody Carver/Johnny Cucci        Brazil                  1955, Coral
Peter Green                     Underway                1970
Peete Rugolo Orch.              Diamond on The Move     Emarcy, 58

I╣m bored what can I say  ? AND I thought you all would like to look at this

Jack



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From: Grant China <[e-mail]>
Subject: Xmas exotica (was RE: Ultra-Lounge)
Date: 10 Sep 1996 08:06:54 -1000

At 06:25 AM 9/10/96 -1000, you wrote:
>                      RE>Ultra-Lounge                              9/10/96
>
>Saw it, too, and it got me a-wonderin':
>1.  Has anyone heard this particular disk?  Lots of good sangers on
>it...Here's the question, buy it new or used?
>2.  What are the list-members recommendations for holiday tunes?  My
>collection is a bit light in this dept., save for some crooners, the Three
>Suns and the Ventures...
>And, as usual for me, the wwweeeiirddderrrr, the better!

Looking over my CDs, I've got 16 Christmas CDs cataloged but only one of
them is what I would consider exotica (or wierd): "Christmas On Big Island"
by the Blue Hawaiians.  This is the only Blue Hawaiians disc that I have and
I don't know anything else about them but I don't think you'll be
disappointed with this one.  About half of it is original tunes and half is
traditional Christmas music and all of it has a definite surf inspired
sound.  I give it a big thumbs up.

For borderline lounge, pick up Dean Martin's "A Winter Romance".  His
recording of "Baby It's Cold Outside" is Dino at his lecherous best.

Aloha,
Grant


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From: [e-mail] (Marie Guinto)
Subject: Re: Playlist for 3-24-96
Date: 10 Sep 1996 11:34:26 -0800


>I'm bored what can I say  ? AND I thought you all would like to look at this

Thanks Jack for posting your playlist.  I think it's always fun to see what
people are playing on their shows.. Maybe if I feel up to speed I'll do the
same..  Today has been slow for me, work is somewhat on the boring end.  I
feel I should stur up controversy on our list.......(Just Kidding).  Oh
something silly and fun for everyone on the list.  I've recently made
stickers for my show, yes I cut and pasted Stereophonic images, but
regardless if anyone would like a couple of stickers you can e-mail me at
[e-mail]

Thought I would give a bit of cheer to you all,

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From: [e-mail] (Marie Guinto)
Subject: Stickers
Date: 10 Sep 1996 11:36:51 -0800

I forgot to mention those who wanted stickers should send me your snail
mail address when e-mailing me.

Stickers can be fun,
Marie
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From: "kevin king" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Quincy Jones CDs- help n
Date: 10 Sep 1996 15:06:35 -0500

From my limited knowledge of Quincy:
Definitely rent the video Listen Up!: The Lives Of Quincy Jones (at
least I think that's the title).  It spans his career and gives great
insights into what fueled his music - especially his early jazz
soundtracks.  Of what I've heard of those (Pawnbroker, In
Cold Blood, Mirage (which I just got AND rented the movie -
soundtrack's even better than Pawnbroker)) they are the bulk of his crime
jazz.  As I remember, his later work, especially in the 70's is more
smooth easy pop soul (Stuff Like That).  Come to think of it, some
might go well with  the 70's Sound Gallery set - although I find it
kinda dull.  His more recent work incorporates soul sounds of the day
- rap, hip hop...   I'm  curious too about his other non-soundtrack
early releases (I've seen This Is How I Feel About Jazz a number of
times).  Jack?  Oh, Ja-ack?


kevin king
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From: "kevin king" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Quincy Jones CDs- help n
Date: 10 Sep 1996 15:34:43 -0500

Oh, and there's a Warner Brothers site for his latest - Q's Jook
Joint - that includes biography, interviews, samples...
http://www.wbr.com/quincyjones/

Another very informative, non-record company page is Q's Page
http://www.duke.edu/%7Ejcf3/


kevin king
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From: "Laura Taylor" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Torme Update
Date: 10 Sep 1996 15:43:04 -0400

Lounge Laura's latest from the AP...send him your best vibes, waves, and
other things exotica...


MEL TORME MOVED
   (Los Angeles) -- Mel Torme has been moved into a private room at a
hospital in Los Angeles. Torme got out of the intensive care unit a month
after suffering a stroke. He'll now have two weeks of neurological rehab.
Doctors say they'll know more about his chances for a full recovery after
that.


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From: [e-mail] (Jack Diamond)
Subject: Q. Jones CD's
Date: 10 Sep 1996 15:00:23 +0000

which ones are CRIME JAZZ?
>lounge laura

Quincy Jones CD titles i found in GMX; can
>someone recommend some of them, as being "cool", "groovy" or "hip"?

None of them are CRIME or what _you want_ Johan ;)

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From: "Robbie Baldock" <[e-mail]>
Subject: The Return of S*P*A*C*E S*A*F*A*R*I
Date: 10 Sep 1996 23:10:28 +0000

Inviting you to join us on our next journey to the limits of Hi Fidelity...

Next Tuesday (17th) at Wilkie House (here in bonnie Edinburgh), DJs Robbie
and Mingo-go will bring you:

            OFF-WORLD LOUNGE MUSIC!  MOOG-DRIVEN MADNESS!
        THEREMIN MANIA!  TOE-TAPPING EXOTICA FROM DIMENSION X!

                        and much much more!

We launch at 11pm and the journey takes approximately 4 hours - it is
also ENTIRELY FREE!  However, this is on the condition that you give
your consent for us to indulge in a scientific analysis of the effect
of sound waves on the human mind.

Prepare yourself for this event by cruising to the Space Safari WWW
site (URL below).

I hope to welcome you aboard...

Tell everyone you know,


bleep - Robbie
S P A C E  S A F A R I - A Journey to the Limits of Audio Fidelity
             http://www.cybersurf.co.uk/rcb/space/

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Mickey One Soundtrack
Date: 10 Sep 1996 18:15:06 -0400

At 07:07 AM 9/10/96 UT, you wrote:
>Does anyone have any info on the CD re-issue of the soundtrack to "Mickey
>One", Arthur Penn's wonderfully nutty allegory about an unfunny comedian
>(played by Warren Beatty)being pursued through Chicago by an all-powerful mob?
> The score is a Stan Getz-Eddie Sauter collaboration with a conceit unique to
>soundtrack albums far as I know---that Stan Getz and his tenor sax are
>actually portraying the title character. ("What is the sound of terror?--The
>sound of loneliness, fear and the city?It is a contemporary sound. The sound
>of now.").Hokey as that sounds it works---Stan Getz' sax drips existential
>angst as he traverses a musical universe that ranges from cool jazz to Las
>Vegas grind with even a polka thrown in  for local color, fer chrissake. One
>of the all-time great soundtracks I think, alas, my vinyl copy has a coupla
>skips and I'd love to find the CD.

I'm also looking for this on CD as well as video.  Can't seem to find it
anywhere.....


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From: Joe Kilmartin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:
Date: 10 Sep 1996 18:05:51 -0400

At 06:38 PM 09/09/1996 -0400, you wrote:

>
>
>

Probably just a glitch, but wonderin' how you're doing.

Decided for the moment to go with "Massive Irish" as a moniker.   Any
bettersuggestions would be gladly appreciated.


Take Care, Keep Swinging!
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Ultra Lounge Organs
Date: 10 Sep 1996 18:17:18 -0400

I just saw (Vol.11?) of the Ultra Lounge series titled Organ Trios or Organ
Combos.  Any body out there heard it yet?  What's it like?

Thanks,
Bryan


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From: Joe Kilmartin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:
Date: 10 Sep 1996 18:07:53 -0400

OOoops... Just realised I may have sent a personal note publicly.

My face is appropriately red.


Sorry for the intrusion, folks...

Joe "Hangin' His Head In Shame" Kilmartin
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From: Joe Kilmartin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Xmas exotica (was RE: Ultra-Lounge)
Date: 10 Sep 1996 18:16:48 -0400

At 08:06 AM 10/09/1996 -1000, you wrote:

.> I've got 16 Christmas CDs cataloged but only one of
>them is what I would consider exotica (or wierd): "Christmas On Big Island"
>by the Blue Hawaiians.  This is the only Blue Hawaiians disc that I have and
>I don't know anything else about them but I don't think you'll be
>disappointed with this one.  About half of it is original tunes and half is
>traditional Christmas music and all of it has a definite surf inspired
>sound.  I give it a big thumbs up.


MMMMMMnnnn!  The Blue Hawaiians are VERRY good lounge Holiday Music.
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From: [e-mail] (Marie Guinto)
Subject: Re: Ultra Lounge Organs
Date: 10 Sep 1996 16:03:58 -0800

>I just saw (Vol.11?) of the Ultra Lounge series titled Organ Trios or Organ
>Combos.  Any body out there heard it yet?  What's it like?

Yes I have and I loved it, definately one of my favorites out of the set.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: GAP ad
Date: 10 Sep 1996 18:26:21 +0000

Don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but the new issue of
Entertainment Weekly contains a full-page ad for the GAP: skinny young
things writhing around under the single word...lounge...

BTW, The Roots of Lounge has been AWOL during a (poorly-managed on their
end) transition caused by the sudden sale of our ISP to another ISP. We
are aware of the problem and are furiously re-setting permissions and
slinging files around, etc. on both ROL and the Mavericks official web
site, also by moi. We'll be back soon, same URL, same smartass attitude,
and the new issue of The Cheap Seats is to die for, so fall by
sometime...
--
    /
-----
 ---
  -   Mimi Schneider  [e-mail]
  |    The Roots of Lounge has moved:
 [|]      http://www.gonix.com/rol

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From: "D.J. Johnson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Karla Pundit
Date: 10 Sep 1996 17:55:23 -0700 (PDT)


Well, I finally got my Karla Pundit CD, and I love it!  After watching
that Korla Pandit videotape my grandmother left me (and watching it, and
watching it...), I was wondering what I'd think of the Karla CD.  Quite
impressed!  Lance is a multi-talented guy, yes?

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From: basic hip <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Mickey One Soundtrack
Date: 10 Sep 1996 20:11:04 -0700

At 07:07 AM 9/10/96 UT, Brian wrote:

>One of the all-time great soundtracks I think, alas, my vinyl copy has a
coupla
>skips and I'd love to find the CD.

I love the topic of soundtracks cause I've been scooping 'em up like crazy -
and yes, Jack Diamond, I DID pick up that copy of Bell, Book and Candle -
had to do it, glad I did.  The feverish passion thing.  Anyway, when I ran
across a SEALED copy of "Mickey One" not too long ago, my eyes glazed over
and rolled back into my head.  Ran all the way home with it, sliced the seal
with my exacto blade and laid that baby down.  Warren Beatty is on the back
cover wearing an overcoat in a steam bath with a couple of fat guys.  He
plays a comedian in this 1965 movie who is looking for new life and some
worthwhile values.  Know what?  It didn't do it for me.  It bugged me and my
wife kept asking me to play something else.  I tried over and over again to
fall in love with it, but could not.  It was like chewing on aluminum foil.
No accounting for taste, I reckon.

Since then, I tried to trade it to Jack, but he passed on it.  And Jack's a
jazz man!  As it turned out, I found a store that swapped Edd Byrnes'
"Kookie" and Louis Prima's "Hey Boy, Hey Girl!" for it.  End of story.

A glass of plain water for me,

Ford


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From: "Brian Kuhr" <[e-mail]>
Subject:  "Peter Gunn" lyrics!
Date: 11 Sep 1996 03:20:54 UT

  I recently found a great Sarah Vaughan lp ("The Henry Mancini Songbook"
)where she sings the complete lyrics to "Peter Gunn"....they were written
expressly for her and probably only she has the chops to really sing them
right. She also sings "Mr. Lucky". What a thrill....I was only disappointed
she didn't try her hand at "March of the Cueballs".

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From: basic hip <[e-mail]>
Subject: Quincy Jones Soundtracks
Date: 10 Sep 1996 20:29:39 -0700

Here are some movies that Quincy Jones scored:

Bob & Carol & Ted & Alice
Cactus Flower, The
Color Purple, The
Deadly Affair, The
Dollars
Enter Laughing
For the Love of Ivy
Hot Rock
In Cold Blood
In the Heat of the Night
Italian Job, The
John and Mary
Lost Man, The
MacKenna's Gold
Mirage
Pawnbroker
Roots
Slender Thread, The
They Call Me Mister Tibbs
Walk, Don't Run

There ya go! Several of these starred Sidney Poitier.   Anybody care for
Neal Hefti?  I'll see if I can put together a similar list.


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From: "Lazlo Nibble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Bleeker Bob's in L.A.
Date: 10 Sep 1996 23:13:34 -0600 (MDT)

> In L.A. on Melrose I believe there is a store by this guy.
> I went in a couple of years ago and there was Esquivel rekkids on the wall
> at a hunnert bucks.  They're not THAT rare.
>
> I looked around and saw high prices ON BEAT REKKIDS.
>
> Guess he's got the west coast covered too

Oh, yeah.  I hit Bleeker Bob's on Melrose every time I'm in L.A. just for the
laugh value.  I can't believe that there are enough people stupid enough to
pay their prices to keep that place in business with Melrose rents.

--
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Space Capades
Date: 11 Sep 1996 01:23:32 -0400

I received a copy of Space Capades (Capitol's Ultra Lounge Vol. 3) as a
birthday present Friday.  Wow!  I love this stuff!  So wonderfully Cold
War-chips and dip-Populuxe (anyone else read this book?)!  What I think is
pretty cool is, the youngest tune on this disc was recorded when I was less
than a year old.  Sounds like I missed out on some really cool-sounding
decades back there.

Bob

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From: "David M. Tobin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: "Peter Gunn" lyrics!
Date: 11 Sep 1996 03:17:24 -0700

At 03:20 AM 9/11/96 UT, you wrote:
>  I recently found a great Sarah Vaughan lp ("The Henry Mancini Songbook"
>)where she sings the complete lyrics to "Peter Gunn"....they were written
>expressly for her and probably only she has the chops to really sing them
>right. She also sings "Mr. Lucky". What a thrill....I was only disappointed
>she didn't try her hand at "March of the Cueballs".
>
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>have you seen the henry mancini 3 cd anthology entitled "the days of wine and
roses"?  definitely worthwhile...tunes spanning his whole career as well as
a complete list of soundtracks and some great photos...dave


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From: [e-mail] (Jack Fetterman)
Subject: Re: Bleeker Bob's in L.A.
Date: 11 Sep 1996 11:56:44 GMT


>Oh, yeah.  I hit Bleeker Bob's on Melrose every time I'm in L.A. just for
the
>laugh value.  I can't believe that there are enough people stupid enough
to
>pay their prices to keep that place in business with Melrose rents.

bleecker bob has a store in london, supposedly, also. if he's so high rent,
why would i bump into him at 6:00 am (alone..no staff) at nyc flea markets?
as much as i begrudge his exploitation of our musical fetish, i have to
admit he's putting in the hours. (but god is he one rough approximation of
a human being!...or is he just the archetype new yorker?)

i was thinking that i had regrets about stirring up discussion about such a
character who would in the end thrive on such negative publicity. the
concept is noteworthy, however.

in the end, if you want that mint copy of "music out of the moon/peace of
mind," and $100 is an hour's pay for consulting, "stupid," doesn't quite
fit, as you walk out the door with a "mission accomplished" attitude.  one
could spend years searching for this treasure at list price and just never
find it. life is too short. what "idiot" would re-issue it?

something is wrong with this picture. this music should ALL be in print.
that's the point. it shouldn't be available piecemeal in some goddamn
"lounge compilations" cd box sets. all these records should be reissued on
cd (or whatever media we have to collapse into next), AS THEY WERE.

i think i mentioned these cassette dj compilations of dance music (which we
all are familiar with..on the street for $10.00.) there is an infinite
number of these. the lounge cd's available at virgin records are probably
1/100 in number..but equal in value. i say, DON'T BUY THEM. who ARE these
people putting them together? They are indie rock radio dj's trying to make
an extra buck. I can't listen to any of them more than once, can you?  what
an incredibe waste of money.

my days of idealism are shot to hell, so i wouldn't suggest anything as
naive as banning these abortions, but i would suggest orienting purchases
towards re-issues as opposed to compilations.

wheewwww....


jack

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From: Gerard Janssen <[e-mail]>
Subject: hello
Date: 11 Sep 1996 14:56:02 +0200 (MET DST)

Hello boys and girls

I'm new on this list. I'm part of an Amsterdam easy listening deejayteam
(the Easy Alohas). We play bachelor pad, spy music, sixties Latin, Belgian
popcorn, German Party Beat, together with 'exotic' drum n bass and
triphop. Percussion and drums, that's what we like.

1) If anybody likes to sell bachelor pad, moog and other exotic records,
let me know.

2) If there are more easy listening deejays out there, please contact me.
I'd like to exchange some ideas, experiences and maybe even deejays.

3) At the end of the year i want to come over to New York. Does anybody
know an easy listening or other exotic danceclub which I can contact, over
there.

Aloha

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re:
Date: 11 Sep 1996 08:56:39 -0400

Whoops!

:>D

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From: Bruce Rhodewalt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Baby Doll
Date: 11 Sep 1996 06:39:20 -0700

basic hip wrote:
>
>...
> Scored the soundtrack for this awhile back and it is quite great.  Hot and
> sweaty, just like it should be.  Music by Kenyon Hopkins, performed by Ray
> Heindorf and the Warner Bros. Orchestra.  The cover has a big, beautiful
> photograph of a very sexy Carroll Baker laying on a day bed, looking right
> at YOU and sucking her thumb!  On the floor are empty Coke bottles, a
> stuffed animal and movie magazines.
>

You forgot to mention what she is wearing.

I feel guilty every time I look at that cover.

Bruce Rhodewalt
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From: [e-mail] (Jack Fetterman)
Subject: Re: Bleeker Bob's in L.A.
Date: 11 Sep 1996 14:01:52 GMT

wooops!

late night alcohol rap! my apologies!

can i rephrase?

imho, re-issues are more desirable than compilations.

jack

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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: The Surfmen-Exotic Island
Date: 11 Sep 1996 10:22:06 -0400

At 09:36 AM 9/5/96 PDT, you wrote:
>I have to add my two cents to the Surfmen discussion...
>I would have to say that the Surfmen also incorporated the best most
>freakish human-bird calls of any exotica record.  You really feel the
>bird's emotions as he/she is perched on the verge of something dangerous
>and psychotic.
>Clark

Like mebbe too much beer in the studio? I think the calls intentionally are
exaggerated in order to be funny, much like the big-cat roars in Cugat's
"Jungle Flute," which is described on the LP as a "novelty-rumba."

Those guys were having fun, but maybe if blasted into the woods at night...

Offering a nice stereo copy of "The Surfmen In Hawaii" LP if anyone wants.

Tony Wilds


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Peter Gunn lyrics
Date: 11 Sep 1996 10:27:33 EDT

>I recently found a great Sarah Vaughan lp ("The Henry Mancini Songbook")
>where she sings the complete lyrics to "Peter Gunn"....
>they were written expressly for her and probably only she has
>the chops to really sing them right.

Are these the same lyrics as the tune "Bye Bye"?
from the Peter Gunn soundtrack?
(Your telephone is always busy
All that ringing makes me dizzy, etc.)

No song has made me laugh as much for years.
I can't imagine Sarah Vaughn doing this.

Ray

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From: Paul Lewis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Bleeker Bob's in L.A.
Date: 11 Sep 1996 10:52:55 -0400 (EDT)


> imho, re-issues are more desirable than compilations.

I agree...  As much as I love the "Exotic Moods of Les Baxter"
compilation, I would have preferred to have all the individual albums
re-released.

Pablito


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From: Bryan Jare Cuevas <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Compilations/Reissues
Date: 11 Sep 1996 10:43:42 -0400 (EDT)

According to Paul Lewis:
> > imho, re-issues are more desirable than compilations.
>
> I agree...  As much as I love the "Exotic Moods of Les Baxter"
> compilation, I would have preferred to have all the individual albums
> re-released.

Right on! RCA reissues 5 (!) Morton Gould albums complete with
original covers, etc.....Capitol is doing quite well on sales
for their Ultra-Lounge series - why is it that we don't have 5
Les Baxter originals?! There is a market for this.

While I'm on the topic, I'd also like to complain about those
RCA reissues - Morton Gould?  Where are the full Esquivel
releases? Hasn't RCA figured out that Esquivel sells far better
than Gould?

By the way, Scamp has done a nice job on the Denny reissues -
I particularly applaud the 2-on-1 format.

bryan cuevas

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From: [e-mail] (Patrick Cashin)
Subject: Re: Compilations/Reissues
Date: 11 Sep 1996 11:14:07 EDT


----- Begin Included Message -----

Right on! RCA reissues 5 (!) Morton Gould albums complete with
original covers, etc.....Capitol is doing quite well on sales
for their Ultra-Lounge series - why is it that we don't have 5
Les Baxter originals?! There is a market for this.

While I'm on the topic, I'd also like to complain about those
RCA reissues - Morton Gould?  Where are the full Esquivel
releases? Hasn't RCA figured out that Esquivel sells far better
than Gould?

By the way, Scamp has done a nice job on the Denny reissues -
I particularly applaud the 2-on-1 format.

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I agree completely! Scamp is doing a fantastic job! RCA and Capitol are
sleeping on the job. In a world were I can walk into any music store
and find eighteen copies of any rock and roll has-been's greatest hits,
where every poo-butt loser band and their brother gets a box set, where
*KISS* sells out Madison Square Garden for three nights...a couple of Esquivel
CDs is *NOT* too much to ask! Please, stop the insanity!

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From: "Robbie Baldock" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Sun Ra anyone?
Date: 11 Sep 1996 16:23:18 +0000

If anyone on the list is into Sun Ra, I have spotted a pile of over
*20* original Sun Ra LPs in a local shop.  Email me if interested and
I'll send you a list of titles.  I should warn you that roughly half
are going for 55 UKP (the ones on Sun Ra's Saturn label) and the rest
around 25 UKP.

Be hearin'


Robbie
                  Virtual Vinyl
  http://www.cybersurf.co.uk/rcb/vv/virtualv.htm

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From: [e-mail] (Marie Guinto)
Subject: Re: "Peter Gunn" lyrics!
Date: 11 Sep 1996 08:24:20 -0800

>  I recently found a great Sarah Vaughan lp ("The Henry Mancini Songbook"
>)where she sings the complete lyrics to "Peter Gunn"....they were written
>expressly for her and probably only she has the chops to really sing them
>right.

I'm a big jazz vocalist fan...(I used to do a show dedicated to female
vocalists called Divas of Jazz---yes bad tittle)  I was wondering what kind
of personnel is on the cd with her.  I've tended to shy away from strings,
a little too weepy for me.

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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Eden Ahbez is Still Alive?
Date: 11 Sep 1996 11:53:52 -0400

At 07:20 PM 9/8/96 -0700, you wrote:
>Anyone know anything about a CD by Eden Ahbez called "Echoes from Nature
>Boy" that came out last year on Accent Records? Saw it in a record store
>... it had a version of "Nature Boy," a song called "Nature Girl," a song
>called "No Bums Allowed" and about eight other songs. The black-and-white
>picture on the cover is Eden as a spry young man, but there's a color
>picture of him on the back looking rather like Willie Nelson.
>
>Anyone know about this? Is it any good? I didn't even know Se=F1or Ahbez=
 was
>still alive...

Ahbez wrote the standard, "Nature Boy." His "Eden's Island" LP, which is
reissued on CD, is in one of the Incredibly Strange Music books, described
as Martin Denny meets Kerouac (supposedly great/weird, but I'm holding out
for the vinyl).=20

Arthur Lyman covers "Eden's Island" on his Blowin' in the Wind LP, which I
offer for sale, cheap.

Tony Wilds


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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: holiday tunes
Date: 11 Sep 1996 12:20:08 -0400

>recommendations for holiday tunes?

Esquivel (that LP in rotation just mortified my family this year!), Lenny
Dee, Eartha Kitt, Arthur Lyman, Jimi Hendrix -- you know, all the young dudes.

For Halloween this year, I suggest Randy Carlos' "Swingin' With Randy" on
Fiesta, for its "Vampire" mambo, complete with lyrics en espanol, a mambo
macabre.

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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Compilations/Reissues
Date: 11 Sep 1996 12:49:48 -0400

>Right on! RCA reissues 5 (!) Morton Gould albums complete with
>original covers, etc.....Capitol is doing quite well on sales
>for their Ultra-Lounge series - why is it that we don't have 5
>Les Baxter originals?! There is a market for this.
>
>While I'm on the topic, I'd also like to complain about those
>RCA reissues - Morton Gould?  Where are the full Esquivel
>releases? Hasn't RCA figured out that Esquivel sells far better
>than Gould?

I pride myself on scoring everything I'd like yet magically avoiding "dogs."
The Morton Gould "Jungle Drums" LP was SUCH a deception. Morton Gould is the
epitomy of everything wrong with "exotica" in the first place, its revival,
and the misguidedness of the major companies. But Marty Gold, now there's a cat.

Wake me when "Twist Goes Latin" comes out with a bonus track of
"Guaglione-twist."

Tony "El Tweest" Wilds


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Peter Gunn lyrics
Date: 11 Sep 1996 13:00:42 -0400

I, too, have the Sarah Vaughan Sings Mancini record - and yup, those lyrics
are the same as used in GUNN NUMBER ONE.  According to the liner notes, the
lyrics were written for the Sarah album (at Quincy Jones' prompting), and I'm
pretty sure VAUGHAN SINGS MANCINI came out in '66, and GUNN NUMBER ONE
was...what? '67?  Cool song.  Better to hear it with Sarah's range than the
chorale, I think.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: "Peter Gunn" lyrics!
Date: 11 Sep 1996 13:06:17 -0400

I'm certain that SARAH VAUGHAN SINGS THE HENRY MANCINI SONGBOOK is not on CD.
 The album is a mix of jazzier cuts (like "Peter Gunn") and songs with pop
string arrangements.  Well worth owning, even with the poppier stuff.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: WTB: Russ Garcia "Fantastica"
Date: 11 Sep 1996 10:17:44 -0800


Help !

I'm haveing a bad time trying to find a CD copy of Russ Garcia's
"Fantastica" (TOCP 8325 -Japan).

Anyone out there know a source and/or can point me in the right direction
?

Any assistance MOST appreciated !


Regards,


Brian.


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From: [e-mail] (Joe Batutis)
Subject: I Died Today
Date: 11 Sep 1996 13:20:31 -0400

I just got "I Died Today" by Rod Keith. It's a great CD compilation of a guy who
worked at one of those "Set Your Poems to Music" places. It's like the "Makers
of Smooth Music" CD, if you dug that.

Crazy lyrics on top of barely compatant background tracks. Still it's to Rod's
credit that he could make anything musical out of some of these lyrics.

The latest WFMU magazine has a great article on Rod, and I'm certain you could
get the CD at their web site...

Did someone already mention that Eden Ahbez is dead? Well, he is.


-Joe B.

http://www.amexpub.com/jbatutis/noddmusic/oddmusic.html

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From: "Steve Sando" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Compilations/Reissues
Date: 11 Sep 1996 10:33:12 +0000


> I pride myself on scoring everything I'd like yet magically avoiding
> "dogs." The Morton Gould "Jungle Drums" LP was SUCH a deception.
> Morton Gould is the epitomy of everything wrong with "exotica" in
> the first place, its revival, and the misguidedness of the major
> companies. But Marty Gold, now there's a cat.

The problem is more wih marketing than Gould. His music really is
what used to be called "semi-classical" and has nothing to do with
Lounge except it was recorded in about the same period. I catually
like the rousing version of 'Malaguena" but I'd never think to call
it Exotica or Lounge.

Keep the tradition, Michael at All Music Services just faxed me a
promo for a new Polygram series called "Mondo Lounge" including such
lounge favorites as The Sandpipers' "Guantanamera", Robert Goulet's
"What Kind of Fool Am I?" and the Baja Marimba Band doing "Georgy
Girl".The tracks that someone on this list might be interested in
are readily available elsewhere, including the umpteenth release of
"Mas Que Nada" by Brasil 66.


Coconut Grove, publishers of MisterLUCKY
PO Box 78146, San Francisco, CA 94107
http://www.wco.com/~coconutg/
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From: [e-mail] (Jack Fetterman)
Subject: Re: WTB: Russ Garcia "Fantastica"
Date: 11 Sep 1996 18:04:41 GMT


>Help !
>
>I'm haveing a bad time trying to find a CD copy of Russ Garcia's
>"Fantastica" (TOCP 8325 -Japan).
>
>Anyone out there know a source and/or can point me in the right direction

>?
>
>Any assistance MOST appreciated !


i know footlight records had it. did you try them? if you are not in nyc, i
think they are at www.footlight.com.

jack

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Bleeker Bob's in hell
Date: 11 Sep 1996 14:09:26 -0400

At 10:52 AM 9/11/96 -0400, you wrote:
>
>> imho, re-issues are more desirable than compilations.
>
>I agree...  As much as I love the "Exotic Moods of Les Baxter"
>compilation, I would have preferred to have all the individual albums
>re-released.
>
>Pablito


You hear that Capitol???


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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: All Third Man, All the Time
Date: 11 Sep 1996 14:16:01 -0400

At 01:08 AM 8/8/96 -0700, you wrote:
>I just completed a 90-minute tape consisting of 32 different versions of
>"The Third Man Theme."  And they said it couldn't (shouldn't?) be done!
>
>I am willing to provide a copy for a tape trade with any like-minded
>perverse soul who's interested in exploring the musical possibilities of
>this tune--or who needs something to clear out a party early.  I will say
>that "The Third Man Theme" holds up to this treatment much better than
>"Misirlou" and "Exodus," to name a few other much-covered tunes.
>

Hey, that was you! Guess I'm peeving you off all over the place.

Anyway, I've kept an eye out for 3rd Man on LPs. I have a 10" of Galloping
Fingers by Ethel Smith to sell, and it's on some other new records I haven't
gotten to yet.

I'll trade any of my 3 "Torture Series(tm)" tapes, but I can't say my jones
for the tune is quite that strong.

Tony


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Compilations/Reissues
Date: 11 Sep 1996 14:14:04 -0400

At 10:43 AM 9/11/96 -0400, you wrote:
>According to Paul Lewis:
>> > imho, re-issues are more desirable than compilations.
>>
>> I agree...  As much as I love the "Exotic Moods of Les Baxter"
>> compilation, I would have preferred to have all the individual albums
>> re-released.
>
>Right on! RCA reissues 5 (!) Morton Gould albums complete with
>original covers, etc.....Capitol is doing quite well on sales
>for their Ultra-Lounge series - why is it that we don't have 5
>Les Baxter originals?! There is a market for this.
>
>While I'm on the topic, I'd also like to complain about those
>RCA reissues - Morton Gould?  Where are the full Esquivel
>releases? Hasn't RCA figured out that Esquivel sells far better
>than Gould?


No they haven't.  They're dense.

The good news is RCA/BMG of Europe (ne: Germany) is starting to release all
of the Esquivel albums, individually on CD with the original (CD size of
course) covers.  Don't know if they have any bonus tracks on them though.

Bryan


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Compilations/Reissues
Date: 11 Sep 1996 14:16:19 -0400

At 12:49 PM 9/11/96 -0400, you wrote:
>I pride myself on scoring everything I'd like yet magically avoiding "dogs."
>The Morton Gould "Jungle Drums" LP was SUCH a deception. Morton Gould is the
>epitomy of everything wrong with "exotica" in the first place, its revival,
>and the misguidedness of the major companies. But Marty Gold, now there's a
cat.

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From: Grant China <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Compilations/Reissues
Date: 11 Sep 1996 08:17:34 -1000

>According to Paul Lewis:
>> > imho, re-issues are more desirable than compilations.
>>
>> I agree...  As much as I love the "Exotic Moods of Les Baxter"
>> compilation, I would have preferred to have all the individual albums
>> re-released.
>
>Right on! RCA reissues 5 (!) Morton Gould albums complete with
>original covers, etc.....Capitol is doing quite well on sales
>for their Ultra-Lounge series - why is it that we don't have 5
>Les Baxter originals?! There is a market for this.

And it's even worst when there are four or five compilations of a particular
artist and 80% of each compilation is the same.  Then the hardcore collector
has to decide if he/she wants to buy all four CDs just for the 20% that
he/she doesn't already have.  Most of the Arthur Lyman CDs out there are
like this.

Of course, what would really be heavenly would be if a budget label like
Laserlight or Excelsior could pick up the rights to some of these obscure
albums and release them for $6.  I have to admit that I've held back on a
lot of good exotica because I don't want to spend $15.99 on a CD.  Actually,
Excelsior has released a lot of Enoch Light stuff for $6-7 but it's pretty
plain big band music, not very provocative or persuasive.

Aloha,
Grant


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From: [e-mail] (Patrick Cashin)
Subject: Re: Compilations/Reissues
Date: 11 Sep 1996 14:50:32 EDT


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The good news is RCA/BMG of Europe (ne: Germany) is starting to release all
of the Esquivel albums, individually on CD with the original (CD size of
course) covers.  Don't know if they have any bonus tracks on them though.

----- End Included Message -----


Is this solid? They're going to release *ALL* of them?

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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Baxter re-released
Date: 11 Sep 1996 15:01:46 -0400

>>Baxter compilation, I would have preferred to have all the individual albums

>You hear that Capitol???

ONLY if you stick two of them on one CD, make the [fake] stereo extremely
well from the mono recordings, and charge no more than $10. I still say the
Baxter artwork merits a 12" copy of every LP in every home.

Enjoying a new, goofy, duophonic "Tamboo" right now,

Tony "Dozen Baxters 4sale" Wilds
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From: [e-mail] (Marie Guinto)
Subject: Re: All Third Man, All the Time
Date: 11 Sep 1996 12:55:51 -0800

>At 01:08 AM 8/8/96 -0700, you wrote:
>>I just completed a 90-minute tape consisting of 32 different versions of
>>"The Third Man Theme."  And they said it couldn't (shouldn't?) be done!

I just saw Tony's posting of this older message.  I forgot though who wrote
it....Fess up, because I would love a copy of the 90-minute tape.  So
whoever it is if you can email me at [e-mail].

Thanks
Marie
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: WTB: Russ Garcia "Fantastica"
Date: 11 Sep 1996 17:34:48 -0400

>Help !
>
>I'm haveing a bad time trying to find a CD copy of Russ Garcia's
>"Fantastica" (TOCP 8325 -Japan).
>
>Anyone out there know a source and/or can point me in the right direction

I think its out of print again.  It was available at Medium Rare Records in
San Francisco (and they do phone orders), but when I inquired they said they
couldn't get it anymore.  Trying calling them anyway - it might be available
again.

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From: [e-mail] (Jack Fetterman)
Subject: Re: All Third Man, All the Time
Date: 11 Sep 1996 23:43:37 GMT

On Sep 11, 1996 14:16:01, 'Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>' wrote:


>At 01:08 AM 8/8/96 -0700, you wrote:
>>I just completed a 90-minute tape consisting of 32 different versions of

>>"The Third Man Theme."  And they said it couldn't (shouldn't?) be done!
>>
>>I am willing to provide a copy for a tape trade with any like-minded
>>perverse soul who's interested in exploring the musical possibilities of

>>this tune--or who needs something to clear out a party early.  I will say

>>that "The Third Man Theme" holds up to this treatment much better than
>>"Misirlou" and "Exodus," to name a few other much-covered tunes.
>>
>
>Hey, that was you! Guess I'm peeving you off all over the place.
>
>Anyway, I've kept an eye out for 3rd Man on LPs. I have a 10" of Galloping

>Fingers by Ethel Smith to sell, and it's on some other new records I
haven't
>gotten to yet.
>
>I'll trade any of my 3 "Torture Series(tm)" tapes, but I can't say my
jones
>for the tune is quite that strong.


ahhh...trading tapes,
one of the the great pleasures! anyone interested in trading for a copy of
my "cocktail music for robots," please contact me with what you got!


jack

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From: [e-mail] (Clark Scheffy)
Subject: Re: Compilations/Reissues
Date: 11 Sep 1996 17:45:10 PDT

Speaking of Esquivel, and how his stuff's been sorely missed as far as full
album reissues go, hats off to Reprise for reissuing "More of Other World,
Other Sounds Vol. II."  Now there's a quality reissue!  In all ways preserves
the original and the sound quality is superb for a CD.

Clark

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From: basic hip <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: All Third Man, All the Time
Date: 11 Sep 1996 17:56:07 -0700



>I just saw Tony's posting of this older message.  I forgot though who wrote
>it....Fess up, because I would love a copy of the 90-minute tape.

I'm almost sure it was Brad Bigelow...he has the Exotica Standard
Page...can't remember the address...I'll dig it up..Brad, count me in, too.


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From: [e-mail] (D. Scott Springer)
Subject: (Fwd) Space Capades
Date: 12 Sep 1996 01:09:47 GMT

>----- Forwarded message ([e-mail]) -----<


I received a copy of Space Capades (Capitol's Ultra Lounge Vol. 3) as a
birthday present Friday.  Wow!  I love this stuff!  So wonderfully Cold
War-chips and dip-Populuxe (anyone else read this book?)!  What I think is
pretty cool is, the youngest tune on this disc was recorded when I was less

than a year old.  Sounds like I missed out on some really cool-sounding
decades back there.

Well, I must say that this disk is tolerable, but it REALLY pisses me off
that Capitol is investing all this time and energy promoting these
compilations when they should be reissuing some of the classic albums by
Baxter, Riddle, Shearing, etc. in their original form on CD AND on vinyl
(of course, we are told that there is only a small market for vinyl, but
these days it costs very little to actually manufacture a CD and the markup
is substantial while with vinyl the profit is, I would have to believe,
much less).

In any event, Capitol has butchered Space Escapade into little pieces of
kooky geegaws served up in banal packaging designed to market this music
for its kitsch value. I was shocked to hear that Capitol went so far as to
tack "Jungalero" onto the back of "Shooting Star" on their "Cocktail
Capers" CD.  That is, they took two COMPLETELY UNRELATED movements and just
juxtaposed them for no good reason.  It is perhaps the same as taking the
second movement of Poulenc's Piano Concerto and replacing it with the
second movement of his Concert Champetre. It just does not make any sense.
Baxter considered many of his early albums to be tone poems.  To
arbitrarily juxtapose movements and then deny the listener the pleasure of
hearing the deleted movements is not any way to promote this music.

CAPITOL RECORDS:
Reissue these albums as they originally were, SANS THE ERSATZ GRAPHICS,
DRINK RECIPES, ETC

Scott

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From: [e-mail] (Jill Mingo)
Subject: Re: Bleeker Bob's in L.A.
Date: 11 Sep 1996 19:14:10 -0600 (MDT)

jack,

>something is wrong with this picture. this music should ALL be in print.
>that's the point. it shouldn't be available piecemeal in some goddamn
>"lounge compilations" cd box sets. all these records should be reissued on
>cd (or whatever media we have to collapse into next), AS THEY WERE.

I wholeheartedly agree that it would be much better if the LPs were released
in their entirety, but I doubt there is a large enough market for all these
reissues to happen. Buying the rights to an LP can be quite expensive. The
companies that can afford it have to be very selective on what they reissue
if they are smallish, and if they are large, they won't release something
unless they think there is a major return on their investment. SCAMP do an
excellent job on the reissues, but I doubt they have the money to license
loads of whole LPs. Or I'm sure with their passion they would be doing that.
>
>i think i mentioned these cassette dj compilations of dance music (which we
>all are familiar with..on the street for $10.00.) there is an infinite
>number of these. the lounge cd's available at virgin records are probably
>1/100 in number..but equal in value. i say, DON'T BUY THEM. who ARE these
>people putting them together? They are indie rock radio dj's trying to make
>an extra buck. I can't listen to any of them more than once, can you?  what
>an incredibe waste of money.
>
>my days of idealism are shot to hell, so i wouldn't suggest anything as
>naive as banning these abortions, but i would suggest orienting purchases
>towards re-issues as opposed to compilations.

Compilations are a way of showcasing a kind a music that is out there. A lot
of people might kinda like exotica, but not really know a helluva lot about
it. A compilation is a useful springboard to find out about a few artists
that are of true interest. Not many folk are going to rush out and buy a Les
Baxter LP, a Martin Denny, an Yma Sumac, an Eden Ahbez, an Arthur
Lyman....Most people simply aren't THAT interested. Obviously people on this
list are, but I don't think we number 20,000. And a major probably isn't
even going to consider reissuing an LP unless they are certain they will
sell that much. The amount of money needed on marketing, licensing,
packaging, promotion, blah, blah, blah. It simply isn't worth their while.
Compilations also might capture the interest of a few wayward exotic lovers
and lure them into a bigger interest, therefore creating a market where
reissues in their entirety DO become profitable. Some compilations ARE cheap
marketing gimmicks. But I don't think the Ultra Lounge or Space Age Pop
series are necessarily in that vein. Nor are the IN FLIGHT ENTERTAINMENT and
SOUND GALLERYs.

Any other comments out there?
>

Jill




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From: [e-mail] (D. Scott Springer)
Subject: (Fwd) Re: Compilations/Reissues
Date: 12 Sep 1996 01:15:02 GMT

>----- Forwarded message ([e-mail] (Clark Scheffy))
-----<


Speaking of Esquivel, and how his stuff's been sorely missed as far as full

album reissues go, hats off to Reprise for reissuing "More of Other World,
Other Sounds Vol. II."  Now there's a quality reissue!  In all ways
preserves
the original and the sound quality is superb for a CD.

I agree completely. This was a wonderful reissue. It is too bad that
Reprise doesn't have more Esquivel around someplace, but who knows, maybe
there is another lost Esquivel album hanging out in the Reprise vaults
somewhere!

Scott

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From: [e-mail] (Jill Mingo)
Subject: Re: Compilations/Reissues
Date: 11 Sep 1996 19:22:35 -0600 (MDT)


>
>The good news is RCA/BMG of Europe (ne: Germany) is starting to release all
>of the Esquivel albums, individually on CD with the original (CD size of
>course) covers.  Don't know if they have any bonus tracks on them though.
>
Yes, they do have bonus trax.

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From: Will Straw <[e-mail]>
Subject: Ultra-Lounge
Date: 11 Sep 1996 21:46:39 -0400

I think many of the Ultra-Lounge comps are brilliantly conceived --
Spacecapades, for example -- and applaud them.  Anyone who has
collected this stuff on the original vinyl has ended up with collections
and compilations much more exploitative than these -- think of all the
movie theme compilations most of us have accumulated over the years.
I'm more interested in how a compiler can group together cuts to express
a particular sensibility than in respecting the auteurish  integrity of original
albums, and I think most of the Ultra-Lounge entries capture a sensibility
very well.

Part of the genius of Spacecapades is that it seems to pull out moments
vaguely remembered from the backgrounds of obscure old films.  It's hard
to imagine a world in which the original albums from which all these were taken
would get individually reissued.

Having said that, I notice curious reactions among my friends.  Some of the
most intensely awaited Ultra-Lounge albums, like the Crime Scene and Cha Cha
de Amor, end up being the most disappointing, because we all feel we could have
pulled together better comps from our own collections.  It's the entries which
surprise us with unexpected juxtapositions (like Bachelor Pad Royale) which work
best.

Will
Will Straw
Associate Professor, Graduate Program in Communications/
Director, The Centre for Research on Canadian Cultural
Industries and Institutions
McGill University
3465 rue Peel, Montreal, Quebec H3A 1W7

Phone: [phone]; Fax: [phone]
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From: [e-mail] (Jack Fetterman)
Subject: Re: Bleeker Bob's in L.A.
Date: 12 Sep 1996 02:00:34 GMT


>Compilations also might capture the interest of a few wayward exotic
lovers
>and lure them into a bigger interest, therefore creating a market where
>reissues in their entirety DO become profitable. Some compilations ARE
cheap
>marketing gimmicks. But I don't think the Ultra Lounge or Space Age Pop
>series are necessarily in that vein. Nor are the IN FLIGHT ENTERTAINMENT
and
>SOUND GALLERYs.
>
>Any other comments out there?
>>

jill,

you are, of course correct. i confess (and confessed) to posting under the
influence. in fact, Space Age Pop (i wrote a letter of praise to irwin for
his selection of stereo action selections) and the Sound Gallery (in hi-fi
premiered Sound Gallery 2 last week) are among favorites of mine. I do
think "Swingin' Singles" on Rhino kind of sucks, however.

i would like to see a larger ratio of re-issues to compilations, quite
honestly, for MY sake.
all sorts of stuff gets re-issued for idealistic reasons. it's the kind of
thing that i would do...invest money in a pet project and watch it go down
the drain, but get some sort of satisfaction out of being a part of it.

jack

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From: "Steve Sando" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Ultra-Lounge
Date: 11 Sep 1996 21:06:10 +0000


> Having said that, I notice curious reactions among my friends.  Some
> of the most intensely awaited Ultra-Lounge albums, like the Crime
> Scene and Cha Cha de Amor, end up being the most disappointing,
> because we all feel we could have pulled together better comps from
> our own collections.

Amen!

It's funny- I really liked Mambo Fever but Cha Cha de Amor is pretty
weak. i think the Bachelor in Paris comp, which I was dreading, is
very clever.

The one thing I HATE is the mixing of two seperate songs together.
this is OK for the radio but is frustrating on Ultra-Lounge.


Coconut Grove, publishers of MisterLUCKY
PO Box 78146, San Francisco, CA 94107
http://www.wco.com/~coconutg/
"Strange how potent cheap music is" - Noel Coward

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From: [e-mail] (Jack Fetterman)
Subject: Re: (Fwd) Space Capades
Date: 12 Sep 1996 04:56:25 GMT


>CAPITOL RECORDS:
>Reissue these albums as they originally were, SANS THE ERSATZ GRAPHICS,
>DRINK RECIPES, ETC
>
>Scott
>


amen!

jack

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Baby Doll
Date: 12 Sep 1996 01:51:03 -0400

Oh god!  I remember that sultry, provocative poster from my early
adolescence!  I didn't "know" much about sex at the time, but I distinctly
recall my stunned fascination with that image of Carol Baker lying on that
bed, yes, sucking her thumb!  That image was tremendously well crafted, and I
understand the music was also, although I was never allowed to see the film
while it was still popular.  It was said to be scandalous.

Thanks for reminding me!  I'm going to find a copy of that album!

Beau di Audeau

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From: [e-mail] (Keith Doyle)
Subject: Re: (Fwd) Space Capades
Date: 12 Sep 1996 00:58:54 PDT


Scott writes:

>In any event, Capitol has butchered Space Escapade into little pieces of
>kooky geegaws served up in banal packaging designed to market this music
>for its kitsch value. I was shocked to hear that Capitol went so far as to
>tack "Jungalero" onto the back of "Shooting Star" on their "Cocktail
>Capers" CD.  That is, they took two COMPLETELY UNRELATED movements and just
>juxtaposed them for no good reason.  It is perhaps the same as taking the
>second movement of Poulenc's Piano Concerto and replacing it with the
>second movement of his Concert Champetre. It just does not make any sense.
>Baxter considered many of his early albums to be tone poems.  To
>arbitrarily juxtapose movements and then deny the listener the pleasure of
>hearing the deleted movements is not any way to promote this music.


Yes, a great example is on the Tamboo album.  My favorite song on there
is by far, "Havana."  What's interesting to note about the arrangement on
the album, is the song that comes just before "Havana," called "Pantan"
anticipates "Havana" with it's last three notes.  "Pantan" definitely
leads into "Havana."  The problem is too many overpaid editors with not
enough to do, thus we have the comp CD's bouncing from one thing to
another, a completely out of context collage of "cool" historical elements
just like the cover designs on the CDs, and details like the coherence and
ambiance of the context of the original work are completely lost in their
shallow aesthetics and infantile attention spans.

The same symptom occurs when they have those TV shows, "America's Greatest
TV Commercials."  Sure, there's a lot of great old commercials, but do they
show them to you?  No, the editors are too busy working overtime cutting
them into clips and flying them around the screen with their video effects
gear for that.

Some say they're trying to "broaden the appeal" without stopping to
consider that the appeal can become so broad that everyone finds it equally
boring, though likely for different reasons.

Modern media geeks seem to think that if it isn't totally hyperactive and
spastic it won't command anyone's attention.  Take the current spate of
"educational" kids programs for example, "Bill Nye, the Science Guy" and
"Beakman's World."  I think what it really shows is that if it isn't totally
hyperactive and spastic it won't command the attention of the average media
geek.  There's gotta be something to allow the sound effect guy to justify his
existance and keep from getting bored, let's have every slightest movement
everyone makes on the show punctuated with cartoon sound effects.  Kinda like
"Wired" magazine-- content is so old fashioned, we should completely obscure
it with what really matters-- "style."  I wonder what will happen when a
bunch of kids grow up and think that being a scientist must be like putting
your head in the washing machine and turning it on and watching all of the
pretty colors of the different clothes dancing around.  It appears that
is the only thing the media currently thinks might be interesting about
being a scientist.



Keith Doyle
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Compilations/Reissues Esquivel
Date: 12 Sep 1996 04:16:29 -0400

Hi list,

yes there are some reissues on BMG/RCA here in Germany, I saw:

        Strings Aflame
        Other Worlds Other Sounds
        Four Corners of the world

They all have bonus traxs.
I think we got more. All are from original masters, and with original
artwork,
unfortunately NOT on 12" size (which is a shame, why no vinyl reissues as the

Bar None Compis ?). They are mid-priced here (which means 25 DM, which is
ca. 15 US $).

greetings

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From: Jonathan Perl <[e-mail]>
Subject: Black Caesar
Date: 12 Sep 1996 11:46:00 +0100


I recently picked up James Brown's soundtrack to 'Black Caesar' at a table
top sale for 10p (15c).  It is really excellent - lots of cool instrumentals
and good hammond stuff.  Comes in a kind of gatefold cut out sleeve with
James Brown's face peeping out.  A polydor USA release (1973).  Does anyone
know any more about this?

Thanks

Jonny

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From: basic hip <[e-mail]>
Subject: Marie's the name
Date: 12 Sep 1996 05:53:52 -0700

Sorry list, for the private E-mail...

Marie, you are on!  I'll make it quick...please send your E-mail address - I
have the snail mail, but lost the E-mail.  Then we will get started, OK?

FoRd


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From: [e-mail] (lou smith)
Subject: Re: (Fwd) Re: Compilations/Reissues
Date: 12 Sep 1996 13:46:37 GMT

On Sep 12, 1996 01:15:02, '[e-mail] (D. Scott Springer)'
wrote:


>I agree completely. This was a wonderful reissue. It is too bad that
>Reprise doesn't have more Esquivel around someplace, but who knows, maybe
>there is another lost Esquivel album hanging out in the Reprise vaults
>somewhere!
>
>Scott

Well, Reprise doesn't have a lost Esquivel album in its vaults but RCA/BMG
is
suspected to have the GREAT lost Esquivel album in its own vaults.

I first learned of the possible existance of 'See It In Sound' from an
article by Br. Cleve
and Irwin that was printed in Cool & Strange Music! Mag #2.

Is this story common knowledge by now? If not, perhaps Br. Cleve can give a

summary and news update.

-Lou

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Cool and Strange Music?
Date: 12 Sep 1996 09:59:08 -0400

 >I first learned of the possible existance of 'See It In Sound' >from an
>article by Br. Cleve
>and Irwin that was printed in Cool & Strange Music! Mag #2.


Never heard of this magazine. Please inform me. Thanks.  Bob

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From: [e-mail] (Matt Love)
Subject: Little Jack Melody & His Young Turks
Date: 12 Sep 1996 07:44:44 -0800

I promise this is the last time I'll post about Little Jack Melody and His
Young Turks for a long time.  You've been very patient, and haven't flamed
me, though their kind of music isn't too relevant to the list.  The fact
is, I can't help be evangelical about their music, I'm certain everybody
who hears it will love it, everybody deserves a chance to hear it, and this
list seems like it's made up of a lot of discerning and fun loving people,
so I share with you once again.

I ended up doing the Olympia show as a house party, (they were in town the
day before my birthday, so I called it a birthday party - they even played
a manic polka version of "Happy Birthday" for me). It was one of the best
time of my life.

They have these dates left on their "Return to the west" tour:

Thursday the 12th- San Francisco, Cafe du Nord; [phone]
Friday the 13th- Los Angeles, CA, LunaPark, cabaret stage, 9:15.
Appearance earlier  in the day on KCRW FM  on the "Morning Becomes
Eclectic" show.
Saturday the 14th- San Diego, CA, The Casbah, w/ the Geraldine Fibbers.

Check them out if you can make it!

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From: POOH-BEAR <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Cool and Strange Music?
Date: 12 Sep 1996 10:45:29 -0500 (EST)

i would like to be taken off the mailing list

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From: [e-mail] (lou smith)
Subject: Re: Cool and Strange Music?
Date: 12 Sep 1996 15:00:51 GMT

On Sep 12, 1996 09:59:08, '[e-mail]' wrote:


>>I first learned of the possible existance of 'See It In Sound' >from an
>>article by Br. Cleve
>>and Irwin that was printed in Cool & Strange Music! Mag #2.
>
>
>Never heard of this magazine. Please inform me. Thanks.  Bob

Jeez, I thought everyone on this list had a subscription :+)

Cool And Strange Music! Magazine (yes, it is an unfortunate name, isn't it)

is a quarterly now up to its 2nd issue.
Subscriptions are $12US/year ($19/rest o' the world).
You can contact Dana Countryman (publisher/editor) at:
P.O. Box 8501, Everett, WA 98201
e-mail:[e-mail]
fax:[phone]
If you ask, I think Dana'll send you a free copy of #1 so you can get a
taste.
Wayno did a fabulous cover illo of Ferrante&Teicher for issue#2.
Anyway, I don't want to sound like a shill for the mag so get yer own damn
copy, dagnabbit.
-Lou

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From: Jay Watterworth <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Laser Turntable for DJ's (fwd)
Date: 11 Sep 1996 11:06:36 -0600 (MDT)

This was a post that came to me that I fwd'ed to this group.  The number
for Pioneer New Media, Long Beach, CA is [phone].
Good luck and good listening!
Jay

On Wed, 11 Sep 1996, Tony Wilds wrote:

> >It is manufactured by Pioneer Electonics out of Japan and has the model number
> >CDJ500.
> >
> >I believe that we have a brochure in the building here somewhere that I can
> >track down if anyone wants more info.
>
> Yes, please, and thx for earlier info on topic.
>
> Tony Wilds
>
>

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: My CD for Stations/Mags
Date: 12 Sep 1996 14:21:33 -0400

Hello...

I've put out a very unique CD of spoken word, jazz, Beatnik, garage rock, and
lounge (trio style-piano, snare/brushes, vocals), recorded live in front of
about 50 very drunk people, which is very hard to describe since there are 41
tracks and over 70 mins of music.

There are covers of "Ring The Bells" (Kinks), "Why Shouldn't I?" (Porter) and
"Let's Fall In Love" plus weirdness galore, like original lounge songs I
wrote in Italian. When I say spoken word, don't be afraid, there is musical
backing throughout. The whole endeavour is firmly in late 50s to mid 60s
ambiance without any of the "HEY! We're doing a 60s thing" crap. I actually
grew up with this music.  There are also TONS of liner notes, lyrics, etc.
since I design CD covers for a living and do lots of re-issues so I totally
dig information.

Altho it is available nationally in Canada, I have no distribution elsewhere
and would love to send review copies to legit radio shows/zines/mags. Also,
any distribution ideas would be appreciated.

I publish a zine myself called RALPH (Coffee, Jazz and Poetry) which I send
everywhere for free.

The CD has been played on Jack Diamond's show plus WFMU and other places that
responded to my last post.

I have another CD out called OLYMPIA 66 totally dedicated to the Mod-Beat
connection, but that's a whole other kettle of fish.

I perform live and just finished a two-week tour that included New York,
Toronto, Montreal, Halifax, Ottawa, etc. We had a lot of fun and I currently
do a wild version of "Roman Guitars" live with the Italian lyrics plus my own
English translation since the original English lyrics suck big time.
Audiences flip on it and it's quite the show-stopper (think Louis Prima meets
60s Italian garage rockers). I had to sift through versions by Lou Monte,
Robert Alda and others (all slurring the Italian lyrics) before I hit
jackpot- Dino Robbins on Kent Records!!
And, of course, my mom (duh! should've asked her first).

Anyway, I appreciate your time/help.

Ralph Alfonso
Box 505
1288 Broughton
Vancouver, BC
Canada, V6G 2B5

email: [e-mail]
work: 604-654-2929
fax: [phone]

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From: "Laura Taylor" <[e-mail]>
Subject: too much Torme?
Date: 12 Sep 1996 15:12:44 -0400

My latest offering from the Associated Press...Again, I hope this is helpful
and not junk mail to many of you...Light a candle for him.
Lounge Laura
[e-mail]



MEL TORME
   (Los Angeles) -- Mel Torme's birthday is starting to look brighter. Torme
turns 71 tomorrow -- and doctors say they're encouraged by the progress he's
making since suffering a stroke five weeks ago. Torme is in his third day of
neurological rehab. His publicist says Torme is now able to stand. He says
doctors will know more about what Torme's future holds within the next ten
days. Torme will spend his birthday with his wife and five kids.


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: FOR STEPHAN
Date: 12 Sep 1996 16:21:51 -0400

Hi group! Excuse me for a moment while I try to get someones attention!


This is a message for Stefan Keary whom I've been trying to email for days
now. The message keeps getting returned as undeliverable. Stefan, please
email me and I'll paste my new message in a reply and we'll see if that
works.

Thanks everyone for your patience!


Lee

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From: [e-mail] (Jack Diamond)
Subject: Quincy Jones
Date: 12 Sep 1996 14:22:29 +0000

Hello,

If you want a killer diller Quincy Jones cd/lp then get;
Ray Charles - Genius Plus Soul = Jazz on Impulse from 1961
There are 4 vocals out of 13 titles (I believe 13) and the rest are instros
with Ray in front wailin' on his ORGAN, nooooo not that organ;)

The orchestra is Count Basies with Quincy Jones arranging and conducting
and mannnnnnnnn let me tell you...this is the shit!!!
This is the stuff YOU WANT Johan!!!

One Mint Julep, Mr C, I've Got News For You....this rips

Now don't say I never did anything nice for you ;)

Bye for now,
Jack



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Compilations/Reissues Esquivel
Date: 12 Sep 1996 19:28:52 -0400

At 04:16 AM 9/12/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi list,
>
>yes there are some reissues on BMG/RCA here in Germany, I saw:
>
>        Strings Aflame
>        Other Worlds Other Sounds
>        Four Corners of the world
>
>They all have bonus traxs.
>I think we got more. All are from original masters, and with original
>artwork,
>unfortunately NOT on 12" size (which is a shame, why no vinyl reissues as the
>
>Bar None Compis ?). They are mid-priced here (which means 25 DM, which is
>ca. 15 US $).

There ya go Patrick.  And they aren't that hard to get.  I got "Other
Worlds, Other Sounds" on order for $16.99.  The reissues even use minatures
of the original liner notes directly off the album.  My "More Music From
Peter Gunn" import is like this with high qualitity, "Living Stereo" sound.
With these three released, there are what, another four to go?  Yes? No?

Maybe they will release The Three Suns individually as well.  Who knows?

Bryan


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (Fwd) Space Capades
Date: 12 Sep 1996 19:35:10 -0400

At 01:09 AM 9/12/96 GMT, you wrote:
>CAPITOL RECORDS:
>Reissue these albums as they originally were, SANS THE ERSATZ GRAPHICS,
>DRINK RECIPES, ETC

I agree with that.  They did it with Yma Sumac, George Shearing, The
Beatles, The Beach Boys etc...  It can be done.

Bryan


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From: "kevin king" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Quincy Jones
Date: 12 Sep 1996 20:28:26 -0500

On the eeeezy vinyl side, there's a thrift bin record I found way
back called Twilight Time by Eddie Barclay, arranged by QJ.  Cover
close-up of a green eyed brunette looking off mysteriously to the
side.  It's crystal clear muzak with a unique use of wordless vocals
as instruments, subtley blending in and out of the mix, popping out
every now and then and one tune written by Mr. Jones which is
excellent cartoonish fun (Mon P'tit Pote).


Doo-yoo-dooyut!

kevin king
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Three Suns = ?
Date: 12 Sep 1996 21:20:21 -0400

Just got a three disc set of Three Suns 78's called "Your Christmas
Favorites"  containing 6 christmas tunes: Jingle Bells, Winter Wonderland,
Silent Night, White Christmas, Santa Claus is Coming & Adeste Fideles.  Is it
rare? Worth anything? It's in very good shape.  Thanks, Bob

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From: "Laura Taylor" <[e-mail]>
Subject: the grave robberz
Date: 12 Sep 1996 21:51:21 -0400

Does anyone know:
1.  If this name is already taken?
2.  If I'll be sued should I use it?
thanks!
lounge laura
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From: [e-mail] (Jack Diamond)
Subject: Esquivel Full LP's
Date: 12 Sep 1996 21:44:36 +0000

I've seen Other Worlds Other Sounds as a full LP release on CD.
I think it's on German RCA

Anyone have his 1st LP "To Love Again" recorded in Mexico with Mexican
musicians and re-released on RCA in 1957, MONO ONLY ?
It's a great one ;-)>

Also of note is that something was just released on Turner Classic Movies
I'm going to review ot for KFJC that has an Esquivel track that was on the
flip to the 45 of Whachamacallit called Dancing in The Dark.

It's got a few other great titles also including Ann-Margaret, Les Baxter,
Ferrante & Teicher among many others
It's music from M-G-M Films

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: That new Levi's commercial is great!!!
Date: 13 Sep 1996 01:59:00 -0400

In a message dated 96-09-07 20:50:08 EDT, you write:

<< honourable mention for the new Levi's add for the fifth pocket. The music
 on that one is great. The comercial itself is also done very exotic-like.

                     Stay Swingin'
                            -Jack Weber
  >>
yeah, I asked a coupla weeks ago if anyone knew where the music came from,
but noone had an answer, I mean you'd figure in a place like this,,,

Challenge,
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From: [e-mail] (Jill Mingo)
Subject: Re: the grave robberz
Date: 13 Sep 1996 05:46:11 -0600 (MDT)

>Does anyone know:
>1.  If this name is already taken?
>2.  If I'll be sued should I use it?
>thanks!
>lounge laura
>[e-mail]

Laura,

Don't know if it exists, but GRAVE DIGGERZ is a hip hop band, I believe....

Jill
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From: Joe Kilmartin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Esquivel Full LP's
Date: 13 Sep 1996 07:52:03 -0400

At 09:44 PM 12/09/1996 +0000, you wrote:
>I've seen Other Worlds Other Sounds as a full LP release on CD.
>I think it's on German RCA

I've seen that one as an import up here.  Prohibitively expensive, those
things are, what?


>Also of note is that something was just released on Turner Classic Movies
>I'm going to review ot for KFJC that has an Esquivel track that was on the
>flip to the 45 of Whachamacallit called Dancing in The Dark.
>
>It's got a few other great titles also including Ann-Margaret, Les Baxter,
>Ferrante & Teicher among many others
>It's music from M-G-M Films

What's that sucker called?  Sounds tasty....


Joe in Toronto

P.S.: We should all congratulate Miss Alison here in Toronto for keeping the
manic spirit of a Blake Edwaeds cocktail party alive at her Festival of
Festivals Lounge Productions bash last Tuesday night.  The world needs more
people like her introducing the glory of Lounge to the masses... >simper,
gush, gush...<





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From: Joe Kilmartin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: too much Torme?
Date: 13 Sep 1996 07:59:11 -0400

At 03:12 PM 12/09/1996 -0400, you wrote:
>My latest offering from the Associated Press...Again, I hope this is helpful
>and not junk mail to many of you...

Not at all... As the truly Boss lounge figures are all getting older, we
should at least honour their work as best we can.  Besides, I want to know
this kind of stuff..


>MEL TORME
>   (Los Angeles) -- Mel Torme's birthday is starting to look brighter. Torme
>turns 71 tomorrow -- and doctors say they're encouraged by the progress he's
>making since suffering a stroke five weeks ago. Torme is in his third day of
>neurological rehab. His publicist says Torme is now able to stand. He says
>doctors will know more about what Torme's future holds within the next ten
>days. Torme will spend his birthday with his wife and five kids.





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From: Joe Kilmartin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Jimmy Smith
Date: 13 Sep 1996 08:03:35 -0400

Haven't seen Jimmy's name out here yet.  Anybody else a big fan of the organ
man?

"The Cat" and "Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolfe (pts. 1&2)" are MUST LAY
party tunes hereabouts...





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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Esquivel Full LP's
Date: 13 Sep 1996 10:28:46 -0400

At 07:52 AM 9/13/96 -0400, you wrote:
>At 09:44 PM 12/09/1996 +0000, you wrote:
>>I've seen Other Worlds Other Sounds as a full LP release on CD.
>>I think it's on German RCA
>
>I've seen that one as an import up here.  Prohibitively expensive, those
>things are, what?


Not this one at $16.99.

IMOP,
Bryan


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From: [e-mail] (Clark Scheffy)
Subject: Re:  Jimmy Smith
Date: 13 Sep 1996 07:50:23 PDT

A huge fan, but exotica?  What is exotica?  Jimmy Smith?  In truth, one of the
things I've loved about this list is not only exotica, but the fact that
so many people hera just love good music...  I would never have known about
Beat Girl or a number of other exotica and un-exotica items, or had the
chance to rap about them, had it not been for this list.  So, I say, Jimmy
Smith indeed...  Eight Counts for Rita, can you dig?
Clark

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From: John Adam Hill <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: My CD for Stations/
Date: 12 Sep 1996 15:34:39 -0400 (EDT)

How can one go about buying your CD .  It  sounds very interesting

John HIll
Department of Economics
Northeaster State Univeristy

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From: [e-mail] (STEFAN KERY)
Subject: new e-mail adress for Subliminal Sounds
Date: 13 Sep 1996 11:04:27 +0200 (MET DST)

Aloha everybody,
after some confusing days I discovered I had a new e-mail adress.

[e-mail]

please use that for future corenspondance.

All the best

Stefan/Subliminal Sounds

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From: Gerald Ross <[e-mail]>
Subject: MIDI sequences
Date: 13 Sep 1996 11:22:59 -0400

Hi,
I am new to this list.  Question: Does anyone else in this group
sequence MIDI tunes. I am always interested in hearing other arranger's
musical ideas.

Thanks
--
Gerald Ross
Ann Arbor, MI

My Home Page...
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From: "kevin king" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (Fwd) Space Capades
Date: 13 Sep 1996 11:32:15 -0500

Keith Doyle wrote:

> Scott writes:
>
> >In any event, Capitol has butchered Space Escapade into little
> >pieces of kooky geegaws served up in banal packaging designed to
> >market this music for its kitsch value. I was shocked to hear that
> >Capitol went so far as to tack "Jungalero" onto the back of
> >"Shooting Star" on their "Cocktail Capers" CD.
<snip>

> The problem is too
> many overpaid editors with not enough to do, thus we have the comp
> CD's bouncing from one thing to another, a completely out of context
> collage of "cool" historical elements just like the cover designs on
> the CDs, and details like the coherence and ambiance of the context
> of the original work are completely lost in their shallow aesthetics
> and infantile attention spans.
<snip,snip,snip>

Wow!  Lighten up folks...  Wasn't the initial (has it changed?)
intention of Capitol to release the comps and follow them with full
singles?  I haven't heard "Cocktail Capers," which sounds awful, but
as a non-purist at heart, I am very appreciative of the comps.  Let's
face it, much of this music IS most interesting when juxtaposed in
snippets as Will Straw pointed out.  Why do you think so many of us
enjoy putting our own comp tapes together?  Focusing on a theme or
sound - I'd say it has more to do with active listening than short
attention spans.  Of course some Lps DO benefit from a full listen,
not denying that.  But if both formats were immediately available, I
certainly would opt for the comps first as I am not only non-purist,
but non-wealthy.  There's a ton of material sampled here.


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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: CD reissues
Date: 13 Sep 1996 12:10:42 -0400

>It simply isn't worth their while.
>Any other comments out there?

The economics you mention did/does not apply to vinyl, and really not to CDs
either. Cross-label rights and their valuation are a hurdle that Rhino at
least seems to have jumped. And supply creates demand to some extent when
DJs (and their sponsors) do their job well, which also may be asking too
much these days (mutual cause and effect on a planet of plastic).

In the future, there will be no mass-marketed packaged media. It's the
Internet. Of course, the lowly consumer likely will feel the automatic
spindle yet again.

I never voted for CDs, mini-discs, DAC, dolby B, 8-track, quad, laserdisc,
VHS, low-bias cassettes, and lots of other inferior/redundant technology.
How DARE some techno-nerds with ZERO AESTHETIC APPRECIATION "decide" what my
threshold of conscious or subliminal hearing can or should tolerate? Viva
vinyl and dbx.

Wishing you a sampling-free tomorrow,

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (Fwd) Space Capades
Date: 13 Sep 1996 13:00:53 -0400

At 11:32 AM 9/13/96 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Wow!  Lighten up folks...  Wasn't the initial (has it changed?)
>intention of Capitol to release the comps and follow them with full
>singles?

Where did you hear that at Kevin?  Inquiring minds want to know....

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From: "Laura Taylor" <[e-mail]>
Subject: lost in wonder
Date: 13 Sep 1996 13:20:21 -0400

Saw the LOST EPISODE__ CD__ last night, and wondered if that was the
"remastered" version that is so oft refered to on this list...The CD had
nothing on it to indicate whether it was indeed remastered, or just a version
of the uh, un-remastered(?) 10" that came out recently?  Someone help this
confused Les-lass..
Les-less Lounge Laura
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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Esquivels to want & buy
Date: 13 Sep 1996 13:38:08 -0400

>Anyone have his 1st LP "To Love Again" recorded in Mexico with Mexican
>musicians and re-released on RCA in 1957, MONO ONLY ?
>It's a great one ;-)>

Selling an imported EP version of the Mexican release (titled "A Macia do
Amor"), 4 songs, VG+/E-, $20.

Yeah, it's pricey, and so are (less any discount for exotiteers):

 Four Corners of the World, VG-/VG-, S $5
 Infinity in Sound I, E+/E+, S $40
 Infinity in Sound II, E/E+, S $40
 Infinity in Sound II, E-/E, $28
 Latin-Esque, orig. Stereo Action, VG+/VG+ (smudge/plays very well), S $40

>flip to the 45 of Whachamacallit called Dancing in The Dark.

MY Whachamacallit 45 has "I Feel Merely Marvelous." Ohhh, the inadequacy. ;)

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From: [e-mail] (D. Scott Springer)
Subject: Beating the Ultra Lounge horse to death
Date: 13 Sep 1996 17:42:55 GMT

>----- Forwarded message ("kevin king" <[e-mail]>) -----<

Of course some Lps DO benefit from a full listen,
not denying that.  But if both formats were immediately available, I
certainly would opt for the comps first as I am not only non-purist,
but non-wealthy.  There's a ton of material sampled here.


Well, I would venture to say that ALL LPs benefit from a full listen. When
I prepare my sets for Bar d'O, I inevitably end up selecting tunes that are
not necessarily the best known ones on certain albums because many of these
are far superior to the tracks that are "popular." The problem with many of
these compilations is that the tunes are simply "the best of" which usually
equals, imho, "the worst of."  While I believe that Irwin Chusid's
compilations are truly exceptional, I cannot say the same about Ultra
Lounge.

As far as the non-wealthy comment, I would say why waste money on a
pathetic compliation if one can have the real thing. There are about twelve
Ultra Lounges out now and only ONE Baxter reissue (Baxter's Best, see
comment above...). I hoped that Capitol would have at least done Jewels of
the Sea or Ritual of the Savage by now, but as far as I can tell, Capitol
has no plans to do any more Baxter reissues.

I wrote several letters to Capitol years ago pleading for them to reissue
these Baxter albums, but I received no response whatsoever.  Then all of a
sudden the barrage of Ultra Lounge started.  So you can see why I am
pissed.

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From: Jeff Boyd <[e-mail]>
Subject: Good record shops in SF?
Date: 13 Sep 1996 11:20:17 -0700

Hey, I'm heading into San Francisco tonight to see Combustible Edison (like
many of you, I'm sure), and I was wondering if any of you folks on the list
know of any good record shops to check out while I'm in the city. Please
reply via e-mail, as I am leaving tonight and would like to get some replies
ASAP.

Thanks a lot,

Jeph
([e-mail])

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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: Real-life Faster Pussycat
Date: 13 Sep 1996 14:25:00 -0400

Sorry to spam an offlist msg yestiddy (naturally, that got more response
than my other nonsense). Here's some more juicy-but-inappropriate nonsense
to account for some erratic dis- and re- appearances:

I kicked offline in order to call The Law to break up this major, three-hour
Battle to the Near-Death between two SuperVixens. One, a DANGEROUSLY
volatile Amazon, refused to leave until [much bemused] legal intervention
occurred. I WISH she had been Tura Satana, put it that way. The other now is
the latest victim here at Casa Tiki (a new sweetie, if only I can remember
what-all's involved in the girlfriend thing). It was like Sarah Conner and
Arnold facing the stalk of the Terminatress. And after a scary,
urban-warrior experience like that, the good one and I just had to find
love, like in the movies. Now I am NOT bragging; it wasn't like the ultimate
catfight was even over me or anything. It was NOT fun (and I passed on
wrassling a gal -- might have damaged the records!). It was just plain old
Krazee Evil versus Sane Good, and I happened to be the unlucky ringmaster.
Wish me luck as I dust off and mend the old courtin' suit (and quietly
listen to a few dozen records in the dark).

Temporarily very paranoid, but unafraid to lively up the machine,
T "good boy hereafter" W

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From: Gerald Ross <[e-mail]>
Subject: Newsgroup for this mailing list?
Date: 13 Sep 1996 14:51:08 -0400

Is there a Usenet newsgroup associated with this mailing list?

So many messages, so little time and disk space.

--
Gerald Ross
Ann Arbor, MI

My Home Page...
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From: "kevin king" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Beating the Ultra Lounge horse to death
Date: 13 Sep 1996 14:57:37 -0500

D. Scott Springer wrote:

> >----- Forwarded message ("kevin king" <[e-mail]>)
> >-----<
>
> Of course some Lps DO benefit from a full listen,
> not denying that.  But if both formats were immediately available, I
>  certainly would opt for the comps first as I am not only
> non-purist,  but non-wealthy.  There's a ton of material sampled
> here.
>
>
> Well, I would venture to say that ALL LPs benefit from a full
> listen.

If you mean benefitting by providing the listener with a fuller idea
of the album's concept, I agree.  However, that concept isn't always
well defined, consistent or even interesting and many an album -
present or past - would benefit it's own concept with a trim here or
there.

> When I prepare my sets for Bar d'O, I inevitably end up
> selecting tunes that are not necessarily the best known ones on
> certain albums because many of these are far superior to the tracks
> that are "popular." The problem with many of these compilations is
> that the tunes are simply "the best of" which usually equals, imho,
> "the worst of."  While I believe that Irwin Chusid's compilations
> are truly exceptional, I cannot say the same about Ultra Lounge.

Well, we disagree here.  My main complaint with UL is the
stereofication which has been discussed (only because I prefer the
SOUND of the mono originals).  But I only have the first three - the
others haven't been too tempting for me.  And the Stereo Action set
is great, but uneven - some real misses included, some hits excluded
(where's Shadrack?).  Now, with the best of's, I still think both the
first Esquivel and the Rhino Denny comps are two of the VERY best
exotica cds out there period!  After hearing full Lps from both, I'm
only more conviced of how excellent those collections are.

> As far as the non-wealthy comment, I would say why waste money on a
> pathetic compliation if one can have the real thing. There are about
> twelve Ultra Lounges out now and only ONE Baxter reissue (Baxter's
> Best, see comment above...). I hoped that Capitol would have at
> least done Jewels of the Sea or Ritual of the Savage by now, but as
> far as I can tell, Capitol has no plans to do any more Baxter
> reissues.

So they've changed their minds (?) about the full re-release thing.  That
stinks.  Especially for an expert like yourself, I see your point.
But you may be missing mine about the economy of comps for us
amateurs.  Think of someone with virgin ears not knowing which
artists may be of interest given a choice between a varied
compilation and a single re-release of one unknown artist.  In a
thrift bin I'd go for the unknown.  In a cd bin, I'd definitely
sample from the comp.  To state the obvious, that must have been
Capitol's marketing strategy.  Still don't understand those Goulds
though!?

> I wrote several letters to Capitol years ago pleading for them to
> reissue these Baxter albums, but I received no response whatsoever.
> Then all of a sudden the barrage of Ultra Lounge started.  So you
> can see why I am pissed.

Yes, it especially stinks that they didn't at least communicate with
you.  Here's one I'd like to see re-issued - Perez Prado's Rockambo!
on RCA  !!!


kevin king
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From: "kevin king" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (Fwd) Space Capades
Date: 13 Sep 1996 14:59:17 -0500

[e-mail] wrote:

> >Wow!  Lighten up folks...  Wasn't the initial (has it changed?)
> >intention of Capitol to release the comps and follow them with full
> > singles?
>
> Where did you hear that at Kevin?  Inquiring minds want to know....

I might be misinformed on this - just remember seeing it posted by
someone in-the-know a while back.


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From: [e-mail] (Huge Graphics)
Subject: Re: That new Levi's commercial is great!!!
Date: 13 Sep 1996 12:36:23 -0700

>In a message dated 96-09-07 20:50:08 EDT, you write:
>
><< honourable mention for the new Levi's add for the fifth pocket. The music
> on that one is great. The comercial itself is also done very exotic-like.
>
>                                        Stay Swingin'
>                                               -Jack Weber
>  >>
>yeah, I asked a coupla weeks ago if anyone knew where the music came from,
>but noone had an answer, I mean you'd figure in a place like this,,,
>
>Challenge,
>Maravillo
>
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Sounds like a fancy-style commercial jingle done by a Hollywood
Jingle-meister...Sure it sounds a lot better than most commercials, but I
don't think it comes from any "classic" source...

David
"It is just my nature to do boring stuff..."

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From: [e-mail] (lou smith)
Subject: Re: Newsgroup for this mailing list?
Date: 13 Sep 1996 19:40:31 GMT

On Sep 13, 1996 14:51:08, 'Gerald Ross <[e-mail]>' wrote:


>Is there a Usenet newsgroup associated with this mailing list?
>
>So many messages, so little time and disk space.

Here's a few to try:
alt.exotic-music
rec.music.dementia
rec.music.marketplace.vinyl
rec.music.collecting.vinyl

Gotta warn you though - This list is higher signal:noise than any of
the newsgroups.
If your time is in short supply ...

-L

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (Fwd) Space Capades
Date: 13 Sep 1996 16:17:30 -0400

I'd have to agree with Kevin. I don't like listening to a whole CD of one
artist. I love the mixes of different artists, styles and music. The
compilations are just right for me, and for others to put this down, to me,
is inappropriate.

The two artists that I DO like to listen to on one CD are Les Baxter and
Arthur Lyman. Oh, and Martin Denny. However,the Ultra Lounge compilations are
fantastic. I love all of them except the Cha Cha one, and I only play it on
occastion. My favorite is Bachelor Pad Royale. I don't know who started the
rumor that Cocktail Capers is bad. It's VERY good. Especially "Hey Bellboy!".
That song is constantly going thru my head.

I agree with Kevin that some of you need to lighten up a bit and just thank
your lucky stars that this stuff is available in the first place. I don't
think there are a lot of people who are as hyped about this music as we are.
I often ask people what they think of the bachelor pad/space
age/exotica/lounge music and ten times out of ten I get "What's that?"
Gloria

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From: Paul Lewis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (Fwd) Space Capades
Date: 13 Sep 1996 16:44:33 -0400 (EDT)


> Wow!  Lighten up folks...  Wasn't the initial (has it changed?)
> intention of Capitol to release the comps and follow them with full
> singles?

I really hope so.  If it can be done for Yma Sumac, why not Les Baxter?
I think that Capitol will discover how well that the 2CD "Exotic Moods of
Les Baxter" sells and will come back with individual albums (or maybe 2
per CD).  If the Martin Denny and Yma Sumac discs are selling, I'm sure
that Les could.  The Tower Records in Philly went through a TON of Yma
discs.  There were over a dozen of each title and all but maybe one of
each went in about a month.  A bunch of Exotica/Exotica II and
Afro-Desias sold also.  They went through multiples of the "Exotic Moods"
double disc and now they have about a dozen of them which will probably
also sell.

If bootleggers can sell those Tamboo! discs, why not legit releases for
less money?  There is definitely a market.  If the lesser names in
exotica can sell (excluding Martin and Yma in that statement, of course),
Les Baxter the supreme king will reign over all...

Pablito!



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From: [e-mail] (R.Preston Peek)
Subject: Exotica / Et Cetera LP List #6 Is DONE!!!
Date: 13 Sep 1996 15:02:19 -0700 (PDT)

You heard right -- I've finally wrestled this bear to the ground.  It's at
the printers, and when I get back from the West Coast next week, out it
flies.

A few quick facts:

--> 758 exotica, cheesecake, spoken word, SABPM, cartoon, belly dance and
just plain FUN original issue LPs (Baxter Frontiere Esquivel Hayman Hopkins
Lyman Kochak Mottola Nordine Rugulo Riddle Popp Scott Sumac 3 Suns--not to
mention The Waltons Tiny Tim Snagglepuss Laverne&Shirley Jayne Mansfield
and Anita Ekberg);

--> 192 hip&hep soundtracks (Batman Flying Nun Daktari Blow Up Man From
UNCLE The Prisoner Wild Wheels Satan in High Heels);

--> 463 jazz blues vocalists reggae folk (Coltrane Bob Wills Chet Baker
Woody Guthrie Bro. Jack McDuff Penquin Cafe Orch (!?) Mingus Bob Marley Ma
Rainey Swingle Singers Les Strand); and

--> 330 rock/alternative (Mothers/Zappa Beefheart Dead Can Dance Cramps
Cream Traffic Tom Waits Clive Pig John Mayall Hendrix Dylan Bill Nelson
Nico Velvet Underground)....

NOT TO MENTION--357 cover photos, 2 reviews, and assorted fun stuff throughout!

This list is FREE (need your snail mail address) EXCEPT if you got my last
list and did not order anything--mailing/printing costs are way too high
for me to keep sending these out gratis--however, if you ordered from the
last list, (or since the last list) you're cool--otherwise, just drop me $2
US / $3 non-US for a copy--I'll be including instructions for ways to keep
getting the lists without having to go through this every time...

THANKS for bearing with me in this post, hope it didn't interrupt the flow
too much....

Preston Peek
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: lost in wonder
Date: 13 Sep 1996 19:44:12 -0400

In a message dated 96-09-13 13:36:05 EDT, you write:

>Saw the LOST EPISODE__ CD__ last night, and wondered if that was the
>"remastered" version that is so oft refered to on this list...The CD had
>nothing on it to indicate whether it was indeed remastered, or just a
version
>of the uh, un-remastered(?) 10" that came out recently?  Someone help this
>confused Les-lass..
>Les-less Lounge Laura
>[e-mail]
>"it's just my nature to do weird stuff..."

The remastered version has a sticker on it that says it is remastered - what
you saw was probably old stock.

Ashley

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From: [e-mail] (ANITA SERWACKI)
Subject: Wickerman
Date: 13 Sep 1996 15:29:41 -0400

     Anyone ever see a soundtrack for "The Wickerman" and if so
     is it any good?



     Thanks - Anita

     [e-mail]

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From: Bryan Jare Cuevas <[e-mail]>
Subject: Brigitte Bardot
Date: 13 Sep 1996 18:25:01 -0400 (EDT)

Just picked up Brigitte Bardot, "Le Disque d'Or" (Disc'AZ)...but no
dates listed :(

Anyone know the recording/release dates of the following:

**********************
Harley Davidson
Marseillaise generique
Mister Sun
Ay que viva la sangria
David B.
Gang Gang
Saint Tropez
Port Grimaud
Oh qu'il est vilain
Paris
Je reviendrai toujours vers toi
On demenage
Le diable est anglais
Ce n'est pas vrai
Contact
**********************

Thanks

bryan c.

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From: Thom Heileson <[e-mail]>
Subject: CD comps / reissues
Date: 13 Sep 1996 11:34:29 -0700

D. Scott Springer sez:

>it REALLY pisses me off
>that Capitol is investing all this time and energy promoting
these
>compilations when they should be reissuing some of the
classic albums by
>Baxter, Riddle, Shearing, etc. in their original form on CD
AND on vinyl
>
>In any event, Capitol has butchered Space Escapade into
little pieces of
>kooky geegaws served up in banal packaging designed to
market this music
>for its kitsch value.
>
>CAPITOL RECORDS:
>Reissue these albums as they originally were, SANS THE
ERSATZ GRAPHICS,
>DRINK RECIPES, ETC

and Jill Mingo sez:

Some compilations ARE cheap
>marketing gimmicks. But I don't think the Ultra Lounge or
Space Age Pop
>series are necessarily in that vein. Nor are the IN FLIGHT
ENTERTAINMENT and
>SOUND GALLERYs.
>
>Any other comments out there?

Just this... All these compilations are not inherently a bad
thing (I also wish, in my perfect world, that all this stuff would
be reissued as-were with the same album cover art on the
CD sleeve, but Jill sounds pretty right on about the reasons
this will not happen)... what really annoys and/or interests
me is the aesthetic that is used in the marketing and
packaging of most of these "cocktail culture" compilation
series. Most of them are graphically designed in a way which
very much insinuates the novelty of the music, and more
than that a comical nostalgia for the time periods from which
the original "scene(s)" comes. Bottom line, they are
_horribly_ designed!! The attempt to campily reference
50s-60s cover art is apparent, but it is mangled up with a
sloppy eighties-ish design take on it all. Bright primary /
pastel flat backgrounds, big unwieldy title fonts, a token
image of a glass or something floating in the middle... (I'm
not speaking specifically of any of the series Jill mentions,
just the ones I see around most of the time)

It all just highlights the differences 'twixt now an' then, and
emphasizes how great all that old cover art was. Sure, a lot
of it was cheesy in certain ways, but charmingly so.

There are a few CD comps out there with real good
packaging, and I might be tempted to pick one up if there
weren't so damn many of these retro CDs being churned out
and shoved down our throats; i.e. I'd feel like a bit of a
lemming consumer if I took the bait.

However, while the vinyl scritchies are nice ambience
sometimes it's also nice to have crisp CDs of these records
which one can take to th' beach on the portable, etc. So
hopefully more as-were reissues will happen. I salute the
labels who take the plunge!

          +  ---                           Thom S. Heileson
         + + -        _oR_
          +  -                       [e-mail]

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From: Paul Lewis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (Fwd) Space Capades
Date: 14 Sep 1996 02:37:54 -0400 (EDT)


> compilations are just right for me, and for others to put this down, to me,
> is inappropriate.

Inappropriate?  It's called an opinion.


> I agree with Kevin that some of you need to lighten up a bit and just thank
> your lucky stars that this stuff is available in the first place.

Huh?  I have the vinyl, so it's no big deal.  Hey, the labels AND the
fans can benefit by putting this stuff out.  Like it doesn't sell or
something.  Cut me a break.



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From: [e-mail] (Jack Fetterman)
Subject: Re: Beating the Ultra Lounge horse to death
Date: 14 Sep 1996 11:16:47 GMT


>While I believe that Irwin Chusid's compilations
>> are truly exceptional, I cannot say the same about Ultra Lounge.
>
>Well, we disagree here.

who's "we", kemosabe?


jack

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From: [e-mail] (Jack Fetterman)
Subject: Re: (Fwd) Space Capades
Date: 14 Sep 1996 11:16:42 GMT



>Wow!  Lighten up folks...  Wasn't the initial (has it changed?)
>intention of Capitol to release the comps and follow them with full
>singles?  I haven't heard "Cocktail Capers," which sounds awful, but
>as a non-purist at heart, I am very appreciative of the comps.  Let's
>face it, much of this music IS most interesting when juxtaposed in
>snippets as Will Straw pointed out.  Why do you think so many of us
>enjoy putting our own comp tapes together?  Focusing on a theme or
>sound - I'd say it has more to do with active listening than short
>attention spans.  Of course some Lps DO benefit from a full listen,
>not denying that.  But if both formats were immediately available, I
>certainly would opt for the comps first as I am not only non-purist,
>but non-wealthy.  There's a ton of material sampled here.

glad you brought this up...

i percieve a big difference between "home-made" tape compilations and the
official cd "best of's." when one sits down to produce an "underground"
(yeah, because it's illegal..what a joke!) collection of other people's
music, none of the artistically irrelevant ground rules of our legal system
and the guidelines of record company marketing policies enter the picture.


my hat is off to people like irwin who can play the game by the rules and
still come up with quality stuff, but i bet there were times when he had to
compromise and could have done better.

i think that these amateur (by legal definition only, no slur on quality)
productions of the heart are often of much higher interest. and as with my
sentiment against penalising "bootlegers," i contend that they only magnify
interest in the work of the "exploited" artists and yield only good things
for their careers (that is, if proper credit is given.) i love george
clinton's attitude of "sample me as much as you want, i love it" in
contrast to james brown's paranoid pursuit of "copy cats."

jack (god, i feel bad about Jack Diamond switching his signoff to Diamond.
Jack, am I         responsible?  <: - o  )

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From: [e-mail] (Jill Mingo)
Subject: Re: Beating the Ultra Lounge horse to death
Date: 14 Sep 1996 06:12:16 -0600 (MDT)


>As far as the non-wealthy comment, I would say why waste money on a
>pathetic compliation if one can have the real thing. There are about twelve
>Ultra Lounges out now and only ONE Baxter reissue (Baxter's Best, see
>comment above...). I hoped that Capitol would have at least done Jewels of
>the Sea or Ritual of the Savage by now, but as far as I can tell, Capitol
>has no plans to do any more Baxter reissues.=20

Uh, Scott....

Have you not seen the double CD reissue of THE EXOTIC MOODS OF LES BAXTER=20
Capitol has put out? It serves as a wonderful introduction to the exotic=20
side of Les B. Tracks from Jewels and Ritual appear on it. And it is=20
beautifully packaged. My sources say Baxter was helping them put it together=
=20
before he died. I have said this before, I wish they would reissue ALL his=
=20
stuff, but I doubt there is a market for it. Budget-priced twofers would be=
=20
excellent, but unless they REALLY think there is a market for it, it=20
probably won't happen. Incidentally, the double CD retails for an amazingly=
=20
low =A312.99 here. I really applaud Capitol for this. Might finally give a=
 few=20
people the chance to get in touch with this man's exotic amazingness. And=20
believe you me, if you are outside the US, you will have one helluva hard=20
time finding his music at a reasonable price (reasonable being $20, which is=
=20
kinda unreasonable, really). Even in the States, unless you are a fairly=20
active collector - checking out thrift stores and flea markets, he is a bit=
=20
hard to find - unlike Denny. Personally I am grateful to have this=20
compilation out - even though I have the majority of it on vinyl.=20

I can't believe the moaning about these compilations. A few years ago, you=
=20
wouldn't have found ANY of this. More and more reissues are happening all=20
the time. Surely any release that is promoting this sound serves as a tool=
=20
to enlarge the market and the possibility of reissues. What's the problem?!

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (Fwd) Space Capades
Date: 14 Sep 1996 11:29:15 -0400

I think you need to reread my original post. The second part of your reply
makes no sense as to what I said. OH, and lighten up.
Gloria

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From: "Steve Sando" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Beating the Ultra Lounge horse to death
Date: 14 Sep 1996 08:41:28 +0000

> I have said this
> before, I wish they would reissue ALL his stuff, but I doubt there
> is a market for it. Budget-priced twofers would be excellent, but
> unless they REALLY think there is a market for it, it probably won't
> happen.

What Capitol considers a "market" and what a tiny independant
consider a "market" are two different things. If they don't want to
release it, why not lower the restrictions on letting someone else
license it? The last thing I heard was Capitol insisted on a 10,000
unit minimum and they had to manufacture the CDs.

> I can't believe the moaning about these compilations. A few years
> ago, you wouldn't have found ANY of this. More and more reissues are
> happening all the time. Surely any release that is promoting this
> sound serves as a tool to enlarge the market and the possibility of
> reissues. What's the problem?!

Things are probably better now overall, but in the days before CDs
took over, most of the Yma Sumac catalogue was still in print, as was
Ritual and the dreamy cocktail music of Jackie Gleason. I remember -
I was there!


Coconut Grove Media, publishers of MisterLUCKY
PO Box 78146, San Francisco, CA 94107
http://www.wco.com/~coconutg/
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From: "kevin king" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Beating the Ultra Lounge horse to death
Date: 14 Sep 1996 12:52:27 -0500

Jack Fetterman wrote:

> >>While I believe that Irwin Chusid's compilations
> >> are truly exceptional, I cannot say the same about Ultra Lounge.
> >>
> >
> >Well, we disagree here.
>
> who's "we", kemosabe?

Jack,
we = myself and the poster of the above first message, Scott.
I'm bowing out of this semi- flame war NOW!  It's become an
uncharacteristically mean spirited thread, or maybe it's just my
short attention span.

Are we not men?
kevin

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From: [e-mail] (Johan Dada Vis)
Subject: Dealing in EXOTICA records? Send your info to DADA'QUARIUMS Exotica
Date: 14 Sep 1996 19:32:33 +0100

DADA'QUARIUMS Exotica now has a page with addresses of people dealing in
exotica records, old or new, on a regular or irregular base. If you want
your business on that page, just send an E-mail message to <[e-mail]>
and I'll include you. It's free, but it's no banner page, so no
advertising, only contact information and short description please.

Greetings from Johan |)/\|)/\
                     [e-mail]            home: Wivina 15, 1702, Belgium

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                       Exotica reviews & track lists
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From: [e-mail] (Johan Dada Vis)
Subject: Dada'quariums Exotica Upd@te: Living Stereo special
Date: 14 Sep 1996 19:32:44 +0100

                        RCA Living Stereo special

The (stereo) action switched to Germany, where RCA is rereleasing a steady
flow of Living Stereo albums on CD. Not all of them are Space Age Pop or
Exotica classics, but the reviews and sleeve notes in the Dada'quariums
Exotica pages will help you to identify the real beauties.
All these rereleases have the original front & back cover art work
(including the "Miracle Surface" label :-), and all except one contain
bonus tracks, which are mentioned in the track lists in these very pages.

                        RCA Living Stereo special, featuring:

Xavier Cugat, Esquivel, Henry Mancini, Perez Prado, Tito Puente, Dick Schory,
        The Three Suns, Caterina Valente, Winterhalter and Bob & Ray.

Greetings from Johan |)/\|)/\
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From: "Lazlo Nibble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: lost in wonder
Date: 14 Sep 1996 12:02:48 -0600 (MDT)

>> Saw the LOST EPISODE__ CD__ last night, and wondered if that was the
>> "remastered" version that is so oft refered to on this list...
>
> The remastered version has a sticker on it that says it is remastered -
> what you saw was probably old stock.

Is the sticker inside or outside the shrinkwrap?  (If it's outside, I'd be
curious to know how we can tell which version is which by just looking at
the un-shrinkwrapped disc.)

--
::: Lazlo ([e-mail]; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo)

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From: "Lazlo Nibble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Newsgroup for this mailing list?
Date: 14 Sep 1996 12:04:22 -0600 (MDT)

> Is there a Usenet newsgroup associated with this mailing list?
> So many messages, so little time and disk space.

Not really, no.  (I can assure you that if this list were a newsgroup you'd
have about six times as much trouble keeping up, and it wouldn't be anywhere
near as worth the effort!)

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From: "Lazlo Nibble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Bleeker Bob's in L.A.
Date: 14 Sep 1996 12:14:10 -0600 (MDT)

>> Oh, yeah.  I hit Bleeker Bob's on Melrose every time I'm in L.A. just
>> for the laugh value.  I can't believe that there are enough people
>> stupid enough to pay their prices to keep that place in business with
>> Melrose rents.
>
> in the end, if you want that mint copy of "music out of the moon/peace
> of mind," and $100 is an hour's pay for consulting, "stupid," doesn't
> quite fit, as you walk out the door with a "mission accomplished"
> attitude.

Are there two Bleeker Bobs, then?  Because from my experience in the LA
store, that $100 "Music Out Of The Moon" you offer as an example is extremely
unlikely to be "mint".

My dismay at their prices (and the lack of smarts on the part of the
people who pay them) comes from the fact that those prices are WAY out of
line given the actual scarcity and condition of what they stock.  The
Melrose shop charges $20 for beat-up domestic pressings of common mid-80s
US 12" singles that you can get at Aron's (or even Vinyl Fetish) for $2-$4
-- and the prices go up exponentially from there.  Last time I was in they
had an "Other Worlds, Other Sounds" on the wall for $100 that was falling
out of its sleeve.

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From: "Lazlo Nibble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (Fwd) Space Capades
Date: 14 Sep 1996 12:24:45 -0600 (MDT)

> If bootleggers can sell those Tamboo! discs, why not legit releases for
> less money?  There is definitely a market.

Sure, there's a market -- the question is whether that market is big enough
for Capitol to try to exploit it.  If they honestly believe that it is, they
will.  (I'm not convinced that any US label *could* make money on a full
reissue program for Les Baxter or Esquivel, but I'd certainly do my best to
help them to.)

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From: " /  dave  / "  <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Brigitte Bardot
Date: 14 Sep 1996 14:25:45 -0500 (CDT)

bryan c. writes:
> Anyone know the recording/release dates of the following:
>
> **********************
> Harley Davidson
> Marseillaise generique (inst)
> Mister Sun
> Ay que viva la sangria
> David B. (inst)
> Gang Gang
> Saint Tropez (inst)
> Port Grimaud (inst)
> Oh qu'il est vilain
> Paris (inst)
> Je reviendrai toujours vers toi
> On demenage
> Le diable est anglais
> Ce n'est pas vrai
> Contact
> **********************

Here you go...

All of the instrumentals noted above are from the soundtrack LP 'The Brigitte
Bardot Show', released in Feb 68. The recording dates are unknown.

Harley Davidson and Contact were recorded in Nov 67 and released as a single in
Dec of that year.

Ay que viva la sangria, Le diable est anglais, Ce n'est pas vrai, and Oh! qu'il
est vilain were released together on the 'Brigitte Bardot' EP in Oct 68,
although they were recorded in Feb of that year and included on the earlier
'Brigitte Bardot Show' LP mentioned above.

Mister Sun made its first appearance on the TV soundtrack as well. Le soleil,
the French version of the song, had been released on an EP in July 66 along with
Gang Gang, On demenage, and Je reviendrai toujours vers toi. The recording date
is listed as Apr 66 for the four on the EP, but Mister Sun's recording date is
unknown.

A number of her other hits were released in the context of soundtracks for her
movies. She released a handful of regular LPs and quite a few 45s and EPs as
well. As one would expect, the covers evoke the quintessential 60s euro-pop
aesthetic - sassy, colorful, cinematic, and wondrous to behold. Now where did I
park my scooter?

dave

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Subject: Re: lost in wonder
Date: 14 Sep 1996 17:06:30 -0400

In a message dated 96-09-14 14:14:23 EDT, you write:

>>> Saw the LOST EPISODE__ CD__ last night, and wondered if that was the
>>> "remastered" version that is so oft refered to on this list...
>>
>> The remastered version has a sticker on it that says it is remastered -
>> what you saw was probably old stock.
>
>Is the sticker inside or outside the shrinkwrap?  (If it's outside, I'd be
>curious to know how we can tell which version is which by just looking at
>the un-shrinkwrapped disc.)
>
>--
The copies I've seen recently have (as far as I can see) no alterations to
the original artwork...the sticker was place on the shrink-wrap...perhaps Lee
can fill us in if there is a way to note the remastered version or if all of
the remastered versions have the sticker.

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Subject: Re: Bleeker Bob's in L.A.
Date: 14 Sep 1996 17:11:24 -0400

In a message dated 96-09-14 14:22:14 EDT, you write:

>Are there two Bleeker Bobs, then?  Because from my experience in the LA
>store, that $100 "Music Out Of The Moon" you offer as an example is
extremely
>unlikely to be "mint".
>
>My dismay at their prices (and the lack of smarts on the part of the
>people who pay them) comes from the fact that those prices are WAY out of
>line given the actual scarcity and condition of what they stock.  The
>Melrose shop charges $20 for beat-up domestic pressings of common mid-80s
>US 12" singles that you can get at Aron's (or even Vinyl Fetish) for $2-$4
>-- and the prices go up exponentially from there.  Last time I was in they
>had an "Other Worlds, Other Sounds" on the wall for $100 that was falling
>out of its sleeve.
>
>

Bleeker Bob's started out in NYC and then Bob moved out to Melrose in the
late '80s.  I can vouch for every story of his customer antogonism that has
been posted - it's amazing with treatment like his that he has stayed in
business...Bob has been famous for overpricing records for two reasons 1.)
just so he can keep something interesting on his wall for a fairly extended
peroid of time and 2.) to see if there's somebody who doesn't know bettert is
willing to be fleeced...what was the WC Fields phrase? "There's a sucker born
every minute."

Ashley

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From: [e-mail] (STEFAN KERY)
Subject: Re: Wickerman
Date: 15 Sep 1996 00:41:14 +0200 (MET DST)

Never saw a soundtrack but the music is good haunting UK folk. One
exceptional song is the one done by Britt Ekland (in the nude).

Stefan/Subliminal Sounds


>     Anyone ever see a soundtrack for "The Wickerman" and if so
>     is it any good?
>
>
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From: [e-mail] (Jack Fetterman)
Subject: Re: (Fwd) Space Capades
Date: 14 Sep 1996 22:41:19 GMT


>OH, and lighten up.

heh, sorry, not my style.

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From: [e-mail] (STEFAN KERY)
Subject: Re: Bleeker Bob's in L.A.
Date: 15 Sep 1996 00:56:13 +0200 (MET DST)

Don=B4t know much about Bleeker Bob=B4s in L.A. but while visiting N.Y. ten=
=20
years ago I scored some authenticly (yeah I don=B4t happen to have a=
 dictonary=20
around at the moment) rare, private press 60=B4s 45=B4s for a bargain.=
 Anyways=20
don=B4t get me wrong, I=B4m not defending their prices but can some one=
 offer me=20
"Music Out of the Moon" 10" in mint nick for less than $100 I=B4ll be very=
 happy.=20

Stefan/Subliminal Sounds


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From: [e-mail] (Jack Fetterman)
Subject: Re: (Fwd) Space Capades
Date: 14 Sep 1996 23:30:14 GMT

 OH, and lighten up.
>Gloria

actually, what i should have said is that my last paragraph was supposed to
be funny. i was trying to make "light" of the situation.
guess you missed the point......

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Xmas exotica (was RE: Ultra-Lounge)
Date: 14 Sep 1996 20:35:10 -0400

The Blue Hawaiians also have a live disc out (their first)
I think its called Live at the Lava Lounge

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From: [e-mail] (D. Scott Springer)
Subject: Beating the Space Capades horse to death
Date: 15 Sep 1996 00:36:53 GMT

>----- Forwarded message ([e-mail]) -----<

I agree with Kevin that some of you need to lighten up a bit and just thank

your lucky stars that this stuff is available in the first place. I don't
think there are a lot of people who are as hyped about this music as we
are.
I often ask people what they think of the bachelor pad/space
age/exotica/lounge music and ten times out of ten I get "What's that?"

First of all, I would appreciate it very much if members of this list would
refrain from telling others to "LIGHTEN UP." If nobody agrees with my views
about comps versus reissues, that is quite fine. But please do not tell me
to lighten up.  If everyone continues to be complacent about this, we can
expect Ultra Lounge volume 37 (Bongos in a Bordello) to be out by the end
of the year, by which point the whole "trend" will be over and NOTHING else
will be reissued. Think about it.

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From: Joe Kilmartin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (Fwd) Space Capades (Brace yourselves, this is long...)
Date: 14 Sep 1996 20:43:54 -0400


>the fact that this stuff is still relatively obscure (at least in NYC) is
>no reason to be defensive. i'm not going to "thank my lucky stars" about
>the state of things. this music has so much more depth (and i am not happy
>about this. i am a proponent for contemporary music) than what anyone
>tuning into the mainstream (or indie) media broadcasts has access to,

I'm not sure I understand exactly what the issue is here.  The fact that CDs
have pretty  well eliminated vinyl is something we'll all have to come to
terms with, sooner later, what have you.  The reality of the matter is that
we have SOME exotica/lounge available and the fact that this is so much more
satisfying than having NO exotica/lounge at all defeats the arguement.  It's
unfortunate but it's true.  Up until a year ago you couldn't walk into
anything other than a second hand record store where, if you were REALLY
lucky you might come across some Esquivel or Lenny Dee or, yes, Les Baxter
album that someone HADNT just thrown out wih the other stuff they'd gotten
tired of. No Rhino compilations, no RCA Space Age Bachelor series, no
Ultra-Lounge (whether or not you agree with its format) nothing apart from
maybe some Perez Prado mambo CDs or the like.

Whether or not this music is  immediately re-embraced by popular standards
isn't the issue.  There are SO many forms of music at war on the airwaves
and the marketplace that the existance of new reissues of exotica/lounge are
being made despite the fact that they have little or no potential of making
the kind of  profits a record distributor consider noteworthy says a great
deal about the degree of faith music industry types already have for this
stuff.  The fact that there are 12 UltraLounge compilation CDs of music
"nobody" wanted to hear again is a major breakthrough when you remember what
it takes these days to get something out in the first place.   The thing is
we have to get more people to go out and get the stuff that's been made
available, not just those of us who already aware of how amazingly
satisfying this music can be.

>tell your friends (or whoever they are), as i do, that they are missing out
>on some tremendous listening....not in an antagonistic way...in a
>provacative way. i am constanly amazed at how friends of mine react to our
>bar d'o gig. "oh, i thought this was going to be weird and offensive, god,
>i think most people, once exposed to it, naturally "like it." there is a
>spirit of value for invention and craft that was sustained longer than is
>feasible for contemporary musical artists in this era of over-production
>and over-developed marketing strategies that is picked up intuitively. it
>is striking in comparison. it sounds like music versus a commercial.

Exactly.  The people putting this music together originally come from a
background SO much richer than someone who's figured out how to cue up a
drum machine and who then plays it for awhile and adds chord progressions
then calls that a song (which there seems to be an awful lot of on AM radio
these days...). Still, if you only "preach to the choir" all you get is a
choir that's tired of hearing the sermon.   The stuff that is available now
on  CD serves more than one purpose by making the quality music of the past
available (generally) inexpensively while still introducing novice hipniks
to the glory of that music through the marketing techniques that work for
"POP" music these days.  Don't just tell your friends. Tell everyone you can.

>i am not denying the obvious primitive marketing attitudes that haunted
>this stuff. in fact these in-your-face naive first stabs at exploitation
>only enhance the genre. Now, it's so sophisticated, that the masses don't
>have a clue that their pants are being pulled down and their butts are
>being kicked off the edge of the grand canyon with sony tv in hands as
>spielberg proclaims that you have "penis breath."
>

Here's where you lost me .  Obscure E.T. reference and all...    :)

Sorry this took so much of your time but I'm getting tired of all the "the
New re-issues bite" posts I've been seeing lately.

So I guess this places me, for now anyway, deeply in the "thank your lucky
stars" camp.

I smell smoke.. I hope its not flames...

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From: [e-mail] (D. Scott Springer)
Subject: Beating the Ultra Lounge horse to death
Date: 15 Sep 1996 01:06:31 GMT

>----- Forwarded message ([e-mail] (Jill Mingo)) -----<

 Even in the States, unless you are a fairly
active collector - checking out thrift stores and flea markets, he is a bit

hard to find - unlike Denny. Personally I am grateful to have this
compilation out - even though I have the majority of it on vinyl

I can't believe the moaning about these compilations. A few years ago, you
wouldn't have found ANY of this. More and more reissues are happening all
the time. Surely any release that is promoting this sound serves as a tool
to enlarge the market and the possibility of reissues. What's the problem?!


Jill-

I certainly know the Exotica Moods of Les Baxter, but I refuse to buy it.
Perhaps this is stupid, but I have most of these tracks on vinyl and I
would rather listen to the originals, even if a couple of these are in less
than stellar condition. You have piqued my interest, though, with your
comment about Les' having worked on this project.  Is this really true?  If
so, did Baxter do the liner notes?

Although I agree with you that the market is small, I am a bit skeptical
about the possibility of enlarging it substantially.  I applaud Scamp for
reissuing Que Mango! and GNP Crescendo for issuing Colors of Brazil/African
Blue. If small companies like these can do these, why is it that Capitol
cannot? Why is it that the only Nelson Riddle CD I have been able to find
(not counting the Clooney, Sinatra, etc ones) is Symphony for the North (on
Total Recording of Canada, a virtually unknown label) when Capitol has
vaults of this stuff?

Best regards,
Scott

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (Fwd) Space Capades (Brace yourselves, this is long...)
Date: 14 Sep 1996 21:35:01 -0400

Hi, Joe. Yes, I agree. I really wasn't being defensive by saying "thank your
lucky stars", it was more of a cynical statement on my part because the
record (read CD) companies are into mass producing and putting out the "drum
machines" music rather than taking a chance and putting out really good music
that a lot of us baby boomers didn't pay much attention to in the 50s and
early 60s. I was paying more attention to Elvis Presley, Buddy Holly, The
Beach Boys then of course The Beatles and Stones to even listen to the softer
stuff. I don't think I would have liked it even if my parents had listened to
it at that young age. Although, I must admit, when my parents watched Harry
Owens every Saturday night, I was right there with them. I only have a couple
of Harry Owens titles right now, as he's VERY difficult to find at garage
sales.

Anyway, long live the compilations!!!!
Gloria

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Beating the Space Capades horse to death
Date: 14 Sep 1996 21:36:18 -0400

<<<<Think about it.

Scott>>>>

Well, you've given us NOTHING to think about. Get over yourself.
Gloria

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (Fwd) Space Capades
Date: 14 Sep 1996 21:37:07 -0400

<<<<guess you missed the point......>>>>
yup

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (Fwd) Space Capades
Date: 14 Sep 1996 21:38:22 -0400

<<<heh, sorry, not my style.

jack>>>

LOL, good one.

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From: "kevin king" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Earle Hagen, Earle Hagen!
Date: 14 Sep 1996 21:50:17 -0500

I just scored a copy of I Spy.  The balance pales by comparison to
the amazing title cut (which left one of the biggest imprints in MY
brain as far as spy music goes).  Although Ah So! is wonderfully
strange with its unusual use of traditional Japanese instruments.  I
learned from Brad's Standards site that Earle Hagen also composed the
music for Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman!!!  Anyone know if this was ever
released on vinyl or cd?


Blissing out in a poptronic groove to Pierre Henry, Pram's Meshes and
Broadcast (who are divine!),

kevin

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: New approach to marketing reissues (Labels TRY THIS!)
Date: 14 Sep 1996 22:46:36 -0400


Okay, if, in many cases a CD must sell 10,000 copies for a label to feel it's
worth reissuing but the market may only sustain half of that, HOW ABOUT THIS:

Hike up (double?) the *label's* pre-distributor base price on the disc, so
the retail is, say $20-22 per CD. That way you generate a similar amount of
revenue with half as many copies. But you'd better include at least 2 LPs
worth of material and/or some really rare bonus tracks and snazzy
repackaging. Before you deem this totally wacky, consider the following:

-That 5,000-people market is probably the same market that would be willing
to pay $20-30+ for an import or a substandard bootleg of this stuff.

-Around here I can get those Yma Sumac reissue CDs for $10 each, and I know
actual list price is higher -- those albums are pretty short and could have
been paired up 2 per CD. A single, $20 disc aimed at the collectors market
has half the manufacturing costs, and takes up half as much space on the
collectors' bursting shelves.  At worst, it costs as much as two single CDs
at the discounted price I can find them at, at best, it's *cheaper* than two
list price single CDs.  (That double-LP *cheaper* aspect is a major reason
why One Way's Ventures and Scamp's Denny two-fers are so attractive)

-Like the home video market for more obscure titles, if it sells especially
well, it can be rereleased later to a broader market that wouldn't have paid
the new release higher prices. But the collector has no guarantee of that,
and paranoid of its limited print-run nature, is going to snatch it up as
fast as they can.

Aside from those gold "audiophile CD" releases of stuff like Boston and Pink
Floyd, has the domestic (U.S.) recording industry really attempted
*higher-priced*, smaller-run CD releases especially for the *collector*
market?

Am I wrong? Would not virtually EVERYONE on this list be inclined to promptly
slap down $20 for a properly-done "Infinity In Sound Vols. 1&2" or "Fever &
Smoke/Movin' & Groovin'" CD? Admittedly though, unlike those examples, some
stuff may not have a market for even 5,000...

Michael "Marketing" Toth
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From: [e-mail] (Jack Diamond)
Subject: Jack this Jack that;-)>
Date: 14 Sep 1996 21:24:14 +0000

>jack (god, i feel bad about Jack Diamond switching his signoff to Diamond.
>Jack, am I         responsible?  <: - o  )

Jack,

No.  I just do that sometimes ;)  Sometimes I feel like Diamond and
sometimes I feel like Jack ;-)>

Jack



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From: [e-mail] (Jack Diamond)
Subject: The market
Date: 14 Sep 1996 21:31:16 +0000

When the 1st Esquivel compilation CD was released by Bar None, RCA/BMG had
said they ONLY wanted 5,000 units sold.

That's where their break even point was at;)
That CD in its 1st year sold very close to 40,000.

We can all pretty much know that the 2nd Esquivel comp sold well over that
40,000 mark can't we since everyone and his brother (or sister) discovered
the maestro in that 2nd year.

This movement if you will is IMHO alot bigger than I suspect alot of you
think it is.

I've heard people, jocks on commercial radio that trashed Martin Denny and
Esquivel 3 years ago say on the air that they love them now and have all
their stuff that is available and want more!!!
This is in the San Francisco bay area.

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From: [e-mail] (Poulus Bliek)
Subject: Easy Tune
Date: 15 Sep 1996 08:35:15 +0200 (MET DST)

Yes, I did it ! (Liesbeth did it for me.)

The Easy Tune Homepage is now available in English.

Easy Tune is the collective noun for new and progressive easy listening,
amongst others popcorn and exotica.
In Holland frequently heard at party's.

So come and check this out

Easy Tune Homepage is located at:

http://www.zeelandnet.nl/people/poulus/easytune.htm

CU soon.
Poulus


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Tiki Tones live
Date: 15 Sep 1996 04:52:06 -0400

The Tikitones are what the world needs now

Also for vintage surf
The Huntington Cads who share Josh Agle (Tiki artist about town - he did the
poster artwork for Exoticon, had a showing of Tiki art in Santa Monica and
will be part of the big La Luz Gallery "21th Century Tiki" art show opening
October 4, did covers for Bomboras, Karla Pundit, and of course his own bands
all done with wit style and charm)
The Cads have the damnedest catchiest tunes - I've been hummin 'em for weeks

Also Tiki tones will play at aforementioned art opening for free!!

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From: [e-mail] (Jill Mingo)
Subject: Re: Beating the Space Capades horse to death
Date: 15 Sep 1996 05:54:54 -0600 (MDT)


>First of all, I would appreciate it very much if members of this list would
>refrain from telling others to "LIGHTEN UP." If nobody agrees with my views
>about comps versus reissues, that is quite fine. But please do not tell me
>to lighten up.  If everyone continues to be complacent about this, we can
>expect Ultra Lounge volume 37 (Bongos in a Bordello) to be out by the end
>of the year, by which point the whole "trend" will be over and NOTHING else
>will be reissued. Think about it.

Scott,

Again, lighten up.Yes,  you are right. Chances are, this trend in time will
die, and reissues in their abundance will fade. That's why you should enjoy
what you can NOW before it disappears. Classy reissues by the likes of Scamp
will always come out sporadically because they are true believers who know
what they are doing. But the majors with their compilations are trying to
seize and hopefully CREATE a market to make money. Bottom line. But if the
crap (as some think) compilations continue to come out, it could increase
interest and therefore, speed up the quality reissues who can cash in on the
trend by reissuing the quality stuff that normally isn't profitable or even
break-evenable to put out.

Think about it.

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From: [e-mail] (Jill Mingo)
Subject: Re: (Fwd) Space Capades (Brace yourselves, this is long...)
Date: 15 Sep 1996 06:02:36 -0600 (MDT)


>Exactly.  The people putting this music together originally come from a
>background SO much richer than someone who's figured out how to cue up a
>drum machine and who then plays it for awhile and adds chord progressions
>then calls that a song (which there seems to be an awful lot of on AM radio
>these days...). Still, if you only "preach to the choir" all you get is a
>choir that's tired of hearing the sermon.   The stuff that is available now
>on  CD serves more than one purpose by making the quality music of the past
>available (generally) inexpensively while still introducing novice hipniks
>to the glory of that music through the marketing techniques that work for
>"POP" music these days.  Don't just tell your friends. Tell everyone you can.

Watch what you say about drum machine music. There is a lot of skill and
depth that can go into this too. Esquivel is planning on using the latest
technology for his new music. Many of these exotic gods were total
innovators of sound that would embrace today's technology. There is great
and godawful music in EVERY genre including "lounge". Just like there are
good and bad compilations, etc..

OK?

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From: [e-mail] (Jill Mingo)
Subject: Re: Beating the Ultra Lounge horse to death
Date: 15 Sep 1996 06:08:19 -0600 (MDT)


>Jill-
>
>I certainly know the Exotica Moods of Les Baxter, but I refuse to buy it.
>Perhaps this is stupid, but I have most of these tracks on vinyl and I
>would rather listen to the originals, even if a couple of these are in less
>than stellar condition. You have piqued my interest, though, with your
>comment about Les' having worked on this project.  Is this really true?  If
>so, did Baxter do the liner notes?

Baxter's daughter made her comments in the liner notes that are very
personal and very touching. I was speaking to Rev-Ola in the UK about doing
a Baxter comp. for them, but he was told by Capitol that they were reissuing
BAXTER's BEST and were working with Baxter on a compilation of his exotica
stuff since BEST doesn't really fit the bill. It was to be a "boxed" set,
and of course, this is THE EXOTIC MOODS OF LES BAXTER. All the info he told
me checked out with what actually happened in the end. (This was about a
year ago now) and with Baxter's daughter doing sleeve notes, I can only
assume that this was in fact compiled with Baxter's blessing. And it has a
fine selection of some of his best stuff so I support it and bought it and
enjoy it.
>
>Although I agree with you that the market is small, I am a bit skeptical
>about the possibility of enlarging it substantially.  I applaud Scamp for
>reissuing Que Mango! and GNP Crescendo for issuing Colors of Brazil/African
>Blue. If small companies like these can do these, why is it that Capitol
>cannot? Why is it that the only Nelson Riddle CD I have been able to find
>(not counting the Clooney, Sinatra, etc ones) is Symphony for the North (on
>Total Recording of Canada, a virtually unknown label) when Capitol has
>vaults of this stuff?

I agree that it will never have a massive market like chart success. I'm
sure Scamp are successful because they REALLY know what they are doing, not
because they are rolling in dough. I'm sure Capitol don't release this
simply because they aren't interested in "breaking even". They want MONEY.
That is their aim. They don't put out music because they "care". They put it
out for profit. Some of us will just remain frustrated.

Jill




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Beating the Ultra Lounge horse to death
Date: 15 Sep 1996 08:47:45 -0400

In a message dated 96-09-14 21:14:26 EDT, you write:

>I certainly know the Exotica Moods of Les Baxter, but I refuse to buy it.
>Perhaps this is stupid, but I have most of these tracks on vinyl and I
>would rather listen to the originals, even if a couple of these are in less
>than stellar condition. You have piqued my interest, though, with your
>comment about Les' having worked on this project.  Is this really true?  If
>so, did Baxter do the liner notes?

I can't confirm that this is true concerning Baxter's involvement on this
comp...I do know from Lee and Skip that it was a rush to put "Lost Episode"
out so Les would see a Cd of  stuff from this period while he was still
alive. I know a similar comp is being prepared on Denny and he's a little
miffed they didn't ask for his input on the track listing....  By the way the
liner notes are written by R J Smith, the same guy who did the notes from the
entire Ultra Lounge series with a big thanks (as others can confirm on this
list) to Skip Heller.

 Regards
Ashley

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Subject: Re: New approach to marketing reissues (Labels TRY THIS!)
Date: 15 Sep 1996 08:54:03 -0400

In a message dated 96-09-14 22:56:26 EDT, you write:

>Okay, if, in many cases a CD must sell 10,000 copies for a label to feel
it's
>worth reissuing but the market may only sustain half of that, HOW ABOUT
THIS:
>
>Hike up (double?) the *label's* pre-distributor base price on the disc, so
>the retail is, say $20-22 per CD. That way you generate a similar amount of
>revenue with half as many copies. But you'd better include at least 2 LPs
>worth of material and/or some really rare bonus tracks and snazzy
>repackaging.

It's an interesting idea, unfortunately it doesn't work that way - when the
majors require a gurrantee of 10,000 units they mean payment of royalties on
10,000 units. If you charge a list price of $20 to $22 then the majors(who
would love that!) will still demand that royaties be paid on that list price
for 10,000 units - so if 10,000 aren't sold the label who has licesenced the
stuff is really in the hole.

Regards
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Send a drink to my table...
Date: 15 Sep 1996 09:15:30 -0400 (EDT)

>
>>OH, and lighten up.
>
>heh, sorry, not my style.
>
>jack
>
And more from Scott and Jack....

actually, what i should have said is that my last paragraph was supposed to
be funny. i was trying to make "light" of the situation.
guess you missed the point......

First of all, I would appreciate it very much if members of this list would
refrain from telling others to "LIGHTEN UP." If nobody agrees with my views
about comps versus reissues, that is quite fine. But please do not tell me
to lighten up.  If everyone continues to be complacent about this, we can
expect Ultra Lounge volume 37 (Bongos in a Bordello) to be out by the end
of the year, by which point the whole "trend" will be over and NOTHING else
will be reissued. Think about it.
I have been reading this 'discussion' and I have one question...Why are you
people listening to this music?   I listen because I like it, it is
fun...and it is pretty light.  I don't hang at Bar d'O on Thursdays for
deep talk...Its drinks, friends, and FUN.  Are you people working on a PhD
on this stuff?

Maybe I am lucky that the music I like is often reisuued or easier to find
than some of the more obscure stuff, but there is so much out there to
explore on used vinyl and CD import and domestic, that I find I never run
out of music.

So Jack and Scott, please play some lighthearted music on Thursday and send
me a Tequila Sunrise.  And tell that Bar to get some drink umbrellas.......

Cherie
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From: [e-mail] (Lucien Samaha)
Subject: exotica in Japan??
Date: 15 Sep 1996 09:28:06 -0500

Does anyone have any information if there is anything happening in Tokyo??
I am most interested in exploring DJing there on a trip that I will be
making this fall...  Thanx.

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From: [e-mail] (Jill Mingo)
Subject: Re: New approach to marketing reissues (Labels TRY THIS!)
Date: 15 Sep 1996 07:45:44 -0600 (MDT)

>
>Okay, if, in many cases a CD must sell 10,000 copies for a label to feel it's
>worth reissuing but the market may only sustain half of that, HOW ABOUT THIS:
>
>Hike up (double?) the *label's* pre-distributor base price on the disc, so
>the retail is, say $20-22 per CD. That way you generate a similar amount of
>revenue with half as many copies. But you'd better include at least 2 LPs
>worth of material and/or some really rare bonus tracks and snazzy
>repackaging. Before you deem this totally wacky, consider the following:

Well, that is kinda what those bootleggers did. They obviously knew the
music like us and did limited editions of twofers at a high price for you
and I. But then people gave them loads of crap for being "illegal" as if the
artists get money from second hand collectors inflated prices. The problem
is the majors won't LET this stuff go cheaply. Because it doesn't make
financial sense, they don't care about you and I. So good plan, but not
likely to happen. The money a small label would have to invest for 5000
highly priced CDs (and yes, it will cost them LOTS of dosh) is probably too
big of a risk for them  to take. As you pointed out, there may not even be a
market for 5000 for some of this stuff....

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Subject: Re:The Never Ending Spacecapades Thread
Date: 15 Sep 1996 09:51:16 -0500

>Sorry this took so much of your time but I'm getting tired of all the "the
>New re-issues bite" posts I've been seeing lately.
>
>So I guess this places me, for now anyway, deeply in the "thank your lucky
>stars" camp.
>
>I smell smoke.. I hope its not flames...
>
>Joe in TO
>

_______________________________________________________________________________

here i was all set to jump in and add my two cents (now worth $300 at
bleeker bob's) when joe come along and states it so eloquently. exactly my
point...we SHOULD simply thank the tiki gods ANY of this has been re-issued
in any form.

bless you joe for a fine response...stop by vik's for drinks on the
house...i have plenty of fire extinguishers...


in swank,
Vik


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Subject: Re: Beating the Ultra Lounge horse to death
Date: 15 Sep 1996 09:51:18 -0500

>Although I agree with you that the market is small, I am a bit skeptical
>about the possibility of enlarging it substantially.  I applaud Scamp for
>reissuing Que Mango! and GNP Crescendo for issuing Colors of Brazil/African
>Blue. If small companies like these can do these, why is it that Capitol
>cannot? Why is it that the only Nelson Riddle CD I have been able to find
>(not counting the Clooney, Sinatra, etc ones) is Symphony for the North (on
>Total Recording of Canada, a virtually unknown label) when Capitol has
>vaults of this stuff?
>
>Best regards,
>Scott
>
_______________________________________________________________________________

welcome to the "record industry" scott. that surreal world where Garth
Brooks sells billions and no one cares about Joey Altruda. where David Lee
Roth gets a standing ovation at the MTV Music awards but little or no press
is given to Mel Torme's failing health.

why can't the majors put out re-issues like Scamp, Ryko, Dionysus, GNP,
etc.? Profits...plain and simple. the operating expenses for a major label
are outrageous and for a project to get released several executives making
the equivalent of four Esquivel mint LPs at bleeker bob's have to decide
whether it will sell enough copies to return the investment. compilations
are proven sales...individual albums are not. the single best selling
re-issue in this crazy re-issue mania? the esquivel's on bar none...and
they were compilations!!!

***as a side bar, Jack Diamond wrote***
>When the 1st Esquivel compilation CD was released by Bar None, RCA/BMG had
>said they ONLY wanted 5,000 units sold.

>That's where their break even point was at;)
>That CD in its 1st year sold very close to 40,000.

>We can all pretty much know that the 2nd Esquivel comp sold well over that
>40,000 mark can't we since everyone and his brother (or sister) discovered
>the maestro in that 2nd year.

yes, but nothing since these have done anywhere near as well. bar none got
EXCEEDINGLY lucky with these releases and started the majors thinking there
was a giant market untapped. now more than two years later it has proven to
be a relatively small market. soundscan numbers average 3000-5000 and that
simply does not hold the interest of major label catalog departments...


the indie labels have a lower overheard but less money to work with. it
simply is not a matter of opening the vaults to these labels either. even
the indies have to pick and choose their releases to maximize profit. why?
release enough low (or no) selling titles, and you're out of business. or
worse, even some indie labels have executives (usually making the
equivalent of two les baxters at bleeker bobs) whose job it is to decide
whether the label will even exist next year. i personally know a couple of
labels in the indie market which could be in danger of NOT releasing
ANYTHING in '97 because executives don't get this music (translation:not
enough sales).

so enough of Record Business 101. i just found $1500 in the pocket of my
coat...think i'll go buy martin denny's "exotic moog" at bob's...


in swank,
Vik


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From: [e-mail] (D. Scott Springer)
Subject: (Fwd) The market
Date: 15 Sep 1996 14:16:33 GMT

>----- Forwarded message ([e-mail] (Jack Diamond)) -----<


This movement if you will is IMHO alot bigger than I suspect alot of you
think it is.

I've heard people, jocks on commercial radio that trashed Martin Denny and
Esquivel 3 years ago say on the air that they love them now and have all
their stuff that is available and want more!!!
This is in the San Francisco bay area.

Jack-

I did not realize that sales were so good on the Bar None Esquivel CDs.
That is definitely great news. THOSE comps are great.  I think that New
Yorkers are about a year behind Californians in terms of our their
appreciation for this music. When I was living in LA I remember being able
to regularly hear Denny at certain bars as far back as 1989.  At that time,
however, one could still find Baxter and Equivel for 99 cents (and not at
thrift stores, either).  In NYC, there are relatively few places where one
can hear this music, but in contrast to LA (at least a few years ago) the
record stores here are asking exorbitant prices nevertheless...

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From: [e-mail] (D. Scott Springer)
Subject: Baxter
Date: 15 Sep 1996 14:23:31 GMT

>----- Forwarded message ([e-mail] (Jill Mingo)) -----<


Baxter's daughter made her comments in the liner notes that are very
personal and very touching. I was speaking to Rev-Ola in the UK about doing

a Baxter comp. for them, but he was told by Capitol that they were
reissuing
BAXTER's BEST and were working with Baxter on a compilation of his exotica

stuff since BEST doesn't really fit the bill. It was to be a "boxed" set,
and of course, this is THE EXOTIC MOODS OF LES BAXTER. All the info he told

me checked out with what actually happened in the end. (This was about a
year ago now) and with Baxter's daughter doing sleeve notes, I can only
assume that this was in fact compiled with Baxter's blessing. And it has a

fine selection of some of his best stuff so I support it and bought it and

enjoy it.
>

Jill-

The fact that Baxter's daughter wrote the liner notes is reason enough to
buy THE EXOTIC MOODS OF LES BAXTER. I always enjoy learning more about him,
and the interviews I have read/heard with him have been extraordinary.
David Garland's interview with him, which was rebroadcast shortly after his
death, was truly enlightening. I hope that it someday becomes part of a
much more extensive Baxter biographical project.

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From: [e-mail] (D. Scott Springer)
Subject: Baxter on GNP Crescendo
Date: 15 Sep 1996 14:38:00 GMT

>----- Forwarded message ([e-mail]) -----<



I can't confirm that this is true concerning Baxter's involvement on this
comp...I do know from Lee and Skip that it was a rush to put "Lost Episode"

out so Les would see a Cd of  stuff from this period while he was still
alive. I know a similar comp is being prepared on Denny and he's a little
miffed they didn't ask for his input on the track listing....  By the way
the
liner notes are written by R J Smith, the same guy who did the notes from
the
entire Ultra Lounge series with a big thanks (as others can confirm on this

list) to Skip Heller.


Ashley-

Do you (or does anyone else) know what exactly Baxter's arrangement was
with GNP Crescendo? In addition to the Colors of Brazil/African Blue CD,
Baxter also did a series (with Neil Norman, who is, I believe, the son of
Gene Norman) called "Science Fiction's Greatest Hits." The group is
actually called "Neil Norman and his Cosmic Orchestra" and features Neil on
Theremin and Les on keyboards.  In addition to the renditions of John
Williams' worst, each of the discs features at least two Baxter originals
(which are a little bizarre, but are nevertheless tinged with those subtle
Baxter-Ravel-Poulenc nuances (except they are rendered without strings).  I
wonder if GNP has any more Baxter stuff around.

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From: Joe Kilmartin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (Fwd) Space Capades (Brace yourselves, this is long...)
Date: 15 Sep 1996 12:06:23 -0400

At 06:02 AM 15/09/1996 -0600, you wrote:
>

>
>Watch what you say about drum machine music. There is a lot of skill and
>depth that can go into this too. Esquivel is planning on using the latest
>technology for his new music. Many of these exotic gods were total
>innovators of sound that would embrace today's technology. There is great
>and godawful music in EVERY genre including "lounge". Just like there are
>good and bad compilations, etc..

I think the operative word here may be "can".   Honestly, IMHO,  the vast
majority of that stuff just leaves me kind of breathless rather than
providing me with any kind of lasting satisfaction. Can you imagine what
dean Elliot would have pulled off with a sampler, TODAY..? There IS good new
120 or more BPM stuff but what I've been hearing  * lately*  is hardly the
stuff I remember days later and hum to myself in my head at the photocopier.
I never have any problem hummin' Mancini or Baxter or Montenegro or Quincy
Jones or Denny or...You see?  Not that all music is meant to be memorable,
but...

 Maybe the best thing do here is to paraphrase what Roger Ebert has said
about film (and I can't beleive I'm quoting HIM *here*): The only Bad Music
is Boring Music.  And, of course, there's never any accounting for taste.  I
have nothing against any particular genre of music at all.  I've just not
found much exitement in today's dance music, lately, and especially when its
being shoved down my audial throat because maket saturation is the best way
to sell stuff to people with nothing but disposable income

Now if you have any suggestions that I *should* be listening to, I'd love to
check them out.

>OK?

OK !!

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From: Joe Kilmartin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Tiki Tones live
Date: 15 Sep 1996 12:11:34 -0400

At 04:52 AM 15/09/1996 -0400, you wrote:
>The Tikitones are what the world needs now

 Good! Where do I get them?

>Also for vintage surf
>The Huntington Cads who share Josh Agle (Tiki artist about town - he did the
>poster artwork for Exoticon, had a showing of Tiki art in Santa Monica and
>will be part of the big La Luz Gallery "21th Century Tiki" art show opening
>October 4, did covers for Bomboras, Karla Pundit, and of course his own bands
>all done with wit style and charm)
>The Cads have the damnedest catchiest tunes - I've been hummin 'em for weeks


Great!  Where do get them?

Pick up Cocktail: Shaken & Stirred by the Royal Jelly Orchestra for a
Canadian take on the whole Mike Flowers thing...

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From: [e-mail] (D. Scott Springer)
Subject: Baxter
Date: 15 Sep 1996 16:28:40 GMT

>----- Forwarded message ([e-mail]) -----<



welcome to the "record industry" scott. that surreal world where Garth
Brooks sells billions and no one cares about Joey Altruda. where David Lee
Roth gets a standing ovation at the MTV Music awards but little or no press

is given to Mel Torme's failing health.

Vik-

Yes, I guess if I really think about it, I do realize that places like
Capitol are doing this only for the $$$. I just always hoped that there
were some people around (like Scamp, etc) who were just doing it because
they enjoy the music and wish to share it with others.  Oh well..What can I
say? Baxter wrote over 120 soundtracks and did not get a NYTimes obit, and
Tupac gets shot and makes it to the front page of every NYC daily.

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From: Joe Kilmartin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Baxter on GNP Crescendo
Date: 15 Sep 1996 12:25:35 -0400

At 02:38 PM 15/09/1996 GMT, you wrote:
> In addition to the Colors of Brazil/African Blue CD,
>Baxter also did a series (with Neil Norman, who is, I believe, the son of
>Gene Norman) called "Science Fiction's Greatest Hits." The group is
>actually called "Neil Norman and his Cosmic Orchestra" and features Neil on
>Theremin and Les on keyboards.  In addition to the renditions of John
>Williams' worst, each of the discs features at least two Baxter originals
>(which are a little bizarre, but are nevertheless tinged with those subtle
>Baxter-Ravel-Poulenc nuances (except they are rendered without strings).


WHOAAAA!!! I didn't know that was Les!!!

I got a sampler of that YEARS ago on a Flexi-disc (remember THOSE!?!) in a
copy of Starlog!

Now I'm gonna buy that CD!

This is precisely the sort of thing the exotica mailing list is all about!

 Praise the List!!!

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From: Joe Kilmartin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Bleeker Bob's in L.A.
Date: 15 Sep 1996 12:34:39 -0400


>Bleeker Bob's started out in NYC and then Bob moved out to Melrose in the
>late '80s.  I can vouch for every story of his customer antogonism that has
>been posted - it's amazing with treatment like his that he has stayed in
>business...Bob has been famous for overpricing records for two reasons 1.)
>just so he can keep something interesting on his wall for a fairly extended
>peroid of time and 2.) to see if there's somebody who doesn't know bettert is
>willing to be fleeced...what was the WC Fields phrase? "There's a sucker born
>every minute."


There used to be a place in Toronto called Toronto's Incredible ecords,
which ( besides being an outlet for it's owners incredible self-reverntial
Woodstock collection and photocopies of Jim Morrisons comic strips from when
he was in High School) was an awful lot like Bleeker Bob's.  It was
Officially nicknamed TO's Incredible PRICES...

Good News Bad News...

He went out of business 'cause things got so depressed financially that
nobody would fork out his kind of scratch.

Bad News, he moved out to California 'cause he knows "people are willing to
spend quality American $ on stuff like this..."

Beware....

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From: Joe Kilmartin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Brigitte Bardot
Date: 15 Sep 1996 12:40:27 -0400

At 02:25 PM 14/09/1996 -0500, you wrote:

>
>All of the instrumentals noted above are from the soundtrack LP 'The Brigitte
>Bardot Show', released in Feb 68. The recording dates are unknown.

>
>A number of her other hits were released in the context of soundtracks for her
>movies. She released a handful of regular LPs and quite a few 45s and EPs as
>well. As one would expect, the covers evoke the quintessential 60s euro-pop
>aesthetic - sassy, colorful, cinematic, and wondrous to behold. Now where
did I
>park my scooter?


I saw a bit of her TV show on A&E's Biography about a year ago that was
really Barbarella-ish and Groovy, where she was being sung to by this
lounger as she struck a Wonder Woman pose and made "Batman" styled sound
effect interjections.

"  'tit femme Super-Hero..."
"..BIF...Krak!!"
" Que J'ai vu / dans le metro..."
" ZZOT... Baf!!"

TOOOO loopy...

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From: Joe Kilmartin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Exotica / Et Cetera LP List #6 Is DONE!!!
Date: 15 Sep 1996 13:24:53 -0400

At 03:02 PM 13/09/1996 -0700, you wrote:
>You heard right -- I've finally wrestled this bear to the ground.  It's at
>the printers, and when I get back from the West Coast next week, out it
>flies.
>
>A few quick facts:
>
>--> 758 exotica, cheesecake, spoken word, SABPM, cartoon, belly dance and
>just plain FUN original issue LPs (Baxter Frontiere Esquivel Hayman Hopkins
>Lyman Kochak Mottola Nordine Rugulo Riddle Popp Scott Sumac 3 Suns--not to
>mention The Waltons Tiny Tim Snagglepuss Laverne&Shirley Jayne Mansfield
>and Anita Ekberg);
>
>--> 192 hip&hep soundtracks (Batman Flying Nun Daktari Blow Up Man From
>UNCLE The Prisoner Wild Wheels Satan in High Heels);
>
>--> 463 jazz blues vocalists reggae folk (Coltrane Bob Wills Chet Baker
>Woody Guthrie Bro. Jack McDuff Penquin Cafe Orch (!?) Mingus Bob Marley Ma
>Rainey Swingle Singers Les Strand); and
>
>--> 330 rock/alternative (Mothers/Zappa Beefheart Dead Can Dance Cramps
>Cream Traffic Tom Waits Clive Pig John Mayall Hendrix Dylan Bill Nelson
>Nico Velvet Underground)....
>
>NOT TO MENTION--357 cover photos, 2 reviews, and assorted fun stuff throughout!
>
>This list is FREE (need your snail mail address) EXCEPT if you got my last
>list and did not order anything--mailing/printing costs are way too high
>for me to keep sending these out gratis--however, if you ordered from the
>last list, (or since the last list) you're cool--otherwise, just drop me $2
>US / $3 non-US for a copy--I'll be including instructions for ways to keep
>getting the lists without having to go through this every time...


'Kay... Wait a second...

I didn't order from your last list ('cause I never knew it existed).  I take
it you still need the $2 from me?

Not that I'm cheap, I'm just confused...

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From: sberry <[e-mail]>
Subject: Ultra Lounge Series To Be Given Away...
Date: 14 Sep 1996 16:38:38 -0700 (PDT)


Free Music From The Continental!!

The first issue of The Continental will be out on October 1st. It will
feature interviews with Dave Crider of Estrus Records & The Mono Men, The
Quadrajets, and 8-Ball Shifer, The Gear Report from Evan of The Boss
Martians, live reviews of Southern Culture On The Skids, Man Or
Astroman?, The Mono Men, The Makers, and Gorilla, The Continental's
Feature Drink, Man Or Astroman's latest releases reviewed, plus tons of
music, film, and zine reviews.

The first 6 subscribers will receive one of Capitol Records' 'Ultra
Lounge' CD's, Volumes 7 through 12. Every subscriber beyond the initial 6
will also get free music selected from our vaults. Your free music will
be sent to you with the first issue of The Continental that you receive
as part of your subscription.

For more information, check out our website at: http://www.az.com/~sberry

Thanks,

Sean
The Continental

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From: [e-mail] (Peter Principle)
Subject: drum machines
Date: 15 Sep 1996 14:03:30 -0400

>Watch what you say about drum machine music. There is a lot of skill and
>depth that can go into this too. Esquivel is planning on using the latest
>technology for his new music. Many of these exotic gods were total
>innovators of sound that would embrace today's technology. There is great
>and godawful music in EVERY genre including "lounge". Just like there are
>good and bad compilations, etc..
>
>OK?
>
>Jill

Right on girl.  Maybe not everyone knows but Harry Breuer (yes, he of
Mallet Magic and Mallett Mischeif, Happy Moog fame) worked for many years
behind the scenes in TV and radio promotion using all of the latest
advances in technology over a long and productive career, and in 1987 he
released an LP on his 86th birthday on the Tabby Tone label called Mallets
in Wonderland that consists almost entirely of Kurtzweil synth generated
sounds (this was extremely new stuff at the time), and it manages to sound
just like the music he played in the 60's, actually more like the
soundtracks to the Harold Lloyd TV editted silent films that he did... you
know crazy tempo ragtime riffs played on moogs and tuned percussion
instruments).  So now you know

Anyway some of my favorite organ slingers use serious drum machine
accompaniment especially Juan Torres and Klaus Wunderlich both recently
discussed here

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From: "Steve Sando" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Brigitte Bardot and Brasilian Tune
Date: 15 Sep 1996 11:09:57 +0000

This talk of Bardot brings to mind a wild song that is on my Bardot
collection (Polygram 830 296-2). Bardot calls it 'Tu Veux, Tu Veux
Pas'. It's a kind of go-go quickie. It's also on the often discussed
'Espresso Espresso' comp as 'Nem Vem Que Nao Tem' by Wilson
Simonal. I originally heard it on Italian diva Mina's Lp
'Canzonissima 68' as 'Sacumdi Sacumda'.

I only speak Italian and Mina's version is about walking down the
street and meeting the devil who declares "Hell isn't so bad". I was
wondering if anyone here is familiar with the tune and what it's
about in French and Portuguese.

Mina is of course the gal who sang 'Spiral Waltz' on the '10th
Victim' soundtrack. If anyone has questions about her, I'm a rather
obsessive fan. Sarah Vaughan said at one point, "If I didn't have my
voice, I'd want hers".


Coconut Grove Media, publishers of MisterLUCKY
PO Box 78146, San Francisco, CA 94107
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From: "Lazlo Nibble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Flames
Date: 15 Sep 1996 12:35:29 -0600 (MDT)

> First of all, I would appreciate it very much if members of this list would
> refrain from telling others to "LIGHTEN UP."

The tone of this discussion is bothering me.  I think *everyone* involved
(myself included) needs to start to look at their posts before they send
them to the list and think VERY hard about whether they're saying
something that could be legitimately interpreted by someone else as being
insulting -- and if it could, tone it down.

This list hasn't had a genuine flame war on it since it started, and I don't
care to see that change now.

--
::: Lazlo ([e-mail]; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo)

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From: [e-mail] (Huge Graphics)
Subject: Useless information
Date: 15 Sep 1996 07:55:37 -0700

While people have been asking about Usenet lists (etc.) re: this list
because of its ever-growing size, I'd like to suggest something...(and keep
in mind that I thoroughly enjoy all of the great info I have obtained from
this list....and as large as it gets, can't quite seem to unsubscribe)

Can we keep the non-substantive replies down?

and more importantly:

When you are replying to someone personally, can you REPLY to that person
at THEIR email address and not to the list?


Thanks, and Flame On!

David Bailey
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From: garfinkel robby <[e-mail]>
Subject: Hello & Misc.
Date: 15 Sep 1996 15:48:46 -0400 (EDT)



    Hello everyone. This is my first post to the Exotica mailing list.
I am excitied to know there is such a thing. I am fairly new to collecting
(a little over two years) and honestly, I prefer CD. Why? Cause my stereo
system sucks, but my CD system kicks butt. That's just how it worked out.
Some day, after I pay my massive student loan, I will upgrade the stereo
system, but for now...

    Honestly, I'd like to see more information here, and less
bickering about compilations. I happen to love the Ultra Lounge series for
no reason other than the fact that it gives me access to a lot of music I
would otherwise not have. Yeah, they cheesy... who cares? What's
important, the music, or the album covers? (Vinyl is a different story, of
course).  Yes, I would prefer if companies would release full artists
albums, but thats a hell of a lot of albums. A hell of a lot of money. Oh,
by the way, a few of the UL series discs do just simply suck.

    Enough of that. Here are some of my favorite new CD releases:
Sound Gallery Vol. 1, Vamyros Lesbos, and Schulmadchen Report. I just got
Sound Gallery vol 2 yesterday, and I have to say, it doesn't hold a candle
to Vol. 1. It's not bad, but not very exciting either.  Also, both of the
discs cover art it is awful.

    Question: Anyone know France Gall?



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (Fwd) Space Capades
Date: 15 Sep 1996 18:28:11 -0400

At 04:17 PM 9/13/96 -0400, you wrote:
>I'd have to agree with Kevin. I don't like listening to a whole CD of one
>artist. I love the mixes of different artists, styles and music. The
>compilations are just right for me, and for others to put this down, to me,
>is inappropriate.

Well I don't think that its inappropriate.  They're just expressing their
opinion, that's all.  Some people like them and others would like to see
something better.

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Subject: Re: (Fwd) Space Capades
Date: 15 Sep 1996 18:28:11 -0400

At 04:17 PM 9/13/96 -0400, you wrote:
>I'd have to agree with Kevin. I don't like listening to a whole CD of one
>artist. I love the mixes of different artists, styles and music. The
>compilations are just right for me, and for others to put this down, to me,
>is inappropriate.

Well I don't think that its inappropriate.  They're just expressing their
opinion, that's all.  Some people like them and others would like to see
something better.

Bryan


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (Fwd) Space Capades
Date: 15 Sep 1996 18:40:18 -0400

At 12:24 PM 9/14/96 -0600, you wrote:
>
>Sure, there's a market -- the question is whether that market is big enough
>for Capitol to try to exploit it.  If they honestly believe that it is, they
>will.  (I'm not convinced that any US label *could* make money on a full
>reissue program for Les Baxter or Esquivel, but I'd certainly do my best to
>help them to.)
>

It's a lot different in Japan.  There, they are willing to press say 5,000
to 10,000 copies of something obscure, then it quickly goes out of print
because they are willing to cater to small collectors and markets.  The big
sellers over there make up for any losses the smaller pressings might incur.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Beating the Space Capades horse to death
Date: 15 Sep 1996 18:43:20 -0400

At 12:36 AM 9/15/96 GMT, you wrote:
>>----- Forwarded message ([e-mail]) -----<
>
>I agree with Kevin that some of you need to lighten up a bit and just thank
>
>your lucky stars that this stuff is available in the first place. I don't
>think there are a lot of people who are as hyped about this music as we
>are.
>I often ask people what they think of the bachelor pad/space
>age/exotica/lounge music and ten times out of ten I get "What's that?"
>
>First of all, I would appreciate it very much if members of this list would
>refrain from telling others to "LIGHTEN UP." If nobody agrees with my views
>about comps versus reissues, that is quite fine. But please do not tell me
>to lighten up.  If everyone continues to be complacent about this, we can
>expect Ultra Lounge volume 37 (Bongos in a Bordello) to be out by the end
>of the year, by which point the whole "trend" will be over and NOTHING else
>will be reissued. Think about it.
>
>Scott


Here, here Scott!!  I second that and agree with you 100% on this one.

Bryan


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (Fwd) Space Capades (Brace yourselves, this is long...)
Date: 15 Sep 1996 18:58:47 -0400

At 06:02 AM 9/15/96 -0600, you wrote:

>Watch what you say about drum machine music. There is a lot of skill and
>depth that can go into this too. Esquivel is planning on using the latest
>technology for his new music. Many of these exotic gods were total
>innovators of sound that would embrace today's technology. There is great
>and godawful music in EVERY genre including "lounge". Just like there are
>good and bad compilations, etc..
>

Jill, I was agreeing with you up until this one.  Most of the drum machine
music I've heard is bloody awful and I couldn't be bothered with it. It
takes more skill being an actual drummer (ne: live, breathing, human being)
than a computer programmer who uses machines to produce the AM/FM dribble
that predominates the airwaves.  No flame, just my opinion.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Bleeker Bob's in L.A.
Date: 15 Sep 1996 19:08:57 -0400

At 12:34 PM 9/15/96 -0400, you wrote:
>
>Good News Bad News...
>
>He went out of business 'cause things got so depressed financially that
>nobody would fork out his kind of scratch.
>
>Bad News, he moved out to California 'cause he knows "people are willing to
>spend quality American $ on stuff like this..."
>
>Beware....
>
>Joe in TO
>

I guess Bob thinks that there are a lot of assholes out in the golden state,
willing to pay his prices.  I wonder why?


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Flames
Date: 15 Sep 1996 19:14:53 -0400

At 12:35 PM 9/15/96 -0600, you wrote:
>> First of all, I would appreciate it very much if members of this list would
>> refrain from telling others to "LIGHTEN UP."
>
>The tone of this discussion is bothering me.  I think *everyone* involved
>(myself included) needs to start to look at their posts before they send
>them to the list and think VERY hard about whether they're saying
>something that could be legitimately interpreted by someone else as being
>insulting -- and if it could, tone it down.
>
>This list hasn't had a genuine flame war on it since it started, and I don't
>care to see that change now.
>

I disagree.  I know you run the list but I should point out by saying that I
have read the posts over the last couple of days and have found little if
anything to be offensive.  People are just disagreeing, that's all.  If you
really want to look at a flame war remember the big one in 1995 over
bootlegs?  I do.  This is nowhere near the intensity of that debacle, so I
think you are worrying about nothing.

IMOP,
Bryan


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: LOST EPISODE REMASTER
Date: 15 Sep 1996 21:12:38 -0400

>Saw the LOST EPISODE__ CD__ last night, and wondered if that was the
"remastered" version that is so oft refered to on this list...The CD had
nothing on it to indicate whether it was indeed remastered, or just a version
of the uh, un-remastered(?) 10" that came out recently?  Someone help this
confused Les-lass<

Hi! No, the un-remastered 10" didn't come out recently. It came out at the
same time as the first version of the CD (All our vinyl/cd versions of a
title come out at the exact same moment unless it's a reissue of one of our
old titles). The remastered version of both the Lp and CD also came out at
the exact same nanosecond.

We had enough paper parts to do the second pressing, and at our level, we
can't afford to scrap paper, so we used them up, which is why we opted for
the sticker.

Here's how you can tell the difference. On the CD, near the center, you will
see the following; "BA07/RE1". On the remastered vinyl version, the scribe in
the lead out reads "BA07A#2 & BA07B#2.

Wish I had time to chat on other subjects but....we're so busy we don't even
have time to pay attention!

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From: [e-mail] (Jill Mingo)
Subject: Re: The market
Date: 15 Sep 1996 19:36:34 -0600 (MDT)

>When the 1st Esquivel compilation CD was released by Bar None, RCA/BMG had
>said they ONLY wanted 5,000 units sold.
>
>That's where their break even point was at;)
>That CD in its 1st year sold very close to 40,000.

Damn, that's pretty good. Why the hell don't the majors gets their fingers
out and release this stuff then?? (NOTE: the Esquivel releases WERE
compilations, which is what people have been moaning about)

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Baxter on GNP Crescendo
Date: 15 Sep 1996 21:40:58 -0400

In a message dated 96-09-15 10:56:28 EDT, you write:

>Do you (or does anyone else) know what exactly Baxter's arrangement was
>with GNP Crescendo?

GNP merely reissued the albums becuase it was still in their catalog.

In addition to the Colors of Brazil/African Blue CD,
>Baxter also did a series (with Neil Norman, who is, I believe, the son of
>Gene Norman) called "Science Fiction's Greatest Hits." The group is
>actually called "Neil Norman and his Cosmic Orchestra" and features Neil on
>Theremin and Les on keyboards.  In addition to the renditions of John
>Williams' worst, each of the discs features at least two Baxter originals
>(which are a little bizarre, but are nevertheless tinged with those subtle
>Baxter-Ravel-Poulenc nuances (except they are rendered without strings).  I
>wonder if GNP has any more Baxter stuff around.

I'm not sure if Baxter did any more stuff for GNP.

Ashley


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Bleeker Bob's in L.A.
Date: 15 Sep 1996 21:42:59 -0400

Howdy, Ashley!

In a message dated 96-09-14 17:19:38 EDT, you wrote:

> Bob has been famous for overpricing records for two reasons
>1.) just so he can keep something interesting on his wall for a fairly
extended
>  peroid of time and
>2.) to see if there's somebody who doesn't know bettert
> is willing to be fleeced...what was the WC Fields phrase? "There's a sucker

> born every minute.

W. C. Fields is credited with many pithy sayings, but "There's a sucker born
every minute," is ascribed to Phineas T. Barnum, famed circus entrepreneur.
 I hate to think that this famous manipulator of human nature could in any
way be associated with the smarmy-sounding B. Bob!  Say it isn't so!

Beau di Audeau

The tales I've heard of B. Bob have made me decide to never set foot in his
emporiums.  He sounds utterly smarmy from these accounts, so much so that I
find it difficult to appreciate his unxplainable success.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Bleeker Bob's in L.A.
Date: 15 Sep 1996 21:51:53 -0400


ALERT ALERT ALERT BLEEKER BOB SIGHTING 2:15 PM SUNDAY SEPT 15!!!

Well Bleeker Bob spotters - I just saw "the legend" today, and he wearing a
suit that looked like he slept in it and was moaning to a woman who was
selling albums at an antiques fair on 25th street that "all the good stuff's
probably already taken." - as if it was her fault he woke up late!

Ashley

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From: J P M <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: drum machines
Date: 15 Sep 1996 22:07:40 +0000

I've seen Gershon Kingsley' and Henry Mancini's (R.I.P.) studio's
mostly consisting of MIDI Keyboards and a drum box or two.These guys
would have used digital keyboards with thousands of presets and samplers
if they were around in the 60's. Moog Modulars in the early 60's were
considered scientific instruments NOT MUSICAL instruments (and definetly
not cheap).They (MOOG,ARP) had a very hard time convincing music stores
to sell these things.As for my self ,I still love and use mostly analog
equipment just because you can't emulate it with modern equipment.It's
much more organic (in sound, action and reaction).

        Jazz and Funk sounds like crap on most new equipment (ie. Herbie
Hancock on "Head Hunters" and Herbie on "Sound System"."Head Hunters" is
CLASSIC with Rhoads,Clavinet,Wurli and ARP Synths,Real Drums and
Sax....BUT "Sound Machine" use's those CHEEEEESY drum machines and
Fairlights and DX-7's it sounds like S#%T.Still, it's up to the artist
but it USUALLY sounds better with analog or real instruments) .Even
Kraftwerk lost it with their all Synclavier "Electric Cafe",and they are
Gods of Electronic music.


Jason
The Pygmy Taxi Corp
http://www.spacelab.net/~mugen/


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: The market
Date: 15 Sep 1996 22:18:06 -0400 (EDT)

Jill Mingo writes:

>Damn, that's pretty good. Why the hell don't the majors gets their fingers
>out and release this stuff then?? (NOTE: the Esquivel releases WERE
>compilations, which is what people have been moaning about)

     The basic problem is one of economies of scale.  Major labels are big and
have a lot of people on their payroll.  Their pricing structure reflects that,
not to mention the fact that they have to sell a *lot* more copies of a title
in order to break even.  Whereas an indie label can break even at 5,000 copies
or less of a given title, a major label has to sell two, three, or four times
that number, depending on how much the project cost to put together,
promotional costs, etc.   Many major labels won't even keep a C.D. in print if
it sells less than 1,000 copies a year.  Below that point it's cheaper for
them to destroy what stock they have on hand of a title than it is for them to
leave a title hogging space in a warehouse.  Weird, huh?
     And it's also a problem of finite resources.  There are always a lot of
ideas for re-issue projects kicking around at major labels, but they can't do
everything at once.  I have no real love for major labels, but oftentimes it's
in their interest to work closely with a smaller re-issue label, like Rhino,
Rykodisc, or Razor and Tie so that people will stop screaming at them.
                    --Jon Johnson
                      [e-mail]
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From: [e-mail] (D. Scott Springer)
Subject: (Fwd) Flames
Date: 16 Sep 1996 03:44:11 GMT

>----- Forwarded message ("Lazlo Nibble" <[e-mail]>) -----<


> First of all, I would appreciate it very much if members of this list
would
> refrain from telling others to "LIGHTEN UP."

The tone of this discussion is bothering me.  I think *everyone* involved
(myself included) needs to start to look at their posts before they send
them to the list and think VERY hard about whether they're saying
something that could be legitimately interpreted by someone else as being
insulting -- and if it could, tone it down.

Am I to assume that my request that people refrain from telling others to
"LIGHTEN UP" is offensive? I am offended that everyone keeps telling me to
lighten up.

I appreciate and enjoy listening to this music and I also enjoy learning
more about it and discussing it with others. Telling one to "LIGHTEN UP"
adds absolutely nothing to the discourse.

Thank you,
Scott

btw If I happened to ever say anything that was even REMOTELY insulting, I
would be very curious to know what it was.

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From: [e-mail] (Jack Diamond)
Subject: LIGHT UP ;-)>
Date: 15 Sep 1996 21:22:12 +0000

1st off,i gotta tell you all that this has been tremendously entertaining.

i do think though it's gotten to be old and tired, like me;)

i'm not sure if you know how lucky you are ;)

i crawled on my stomach with air masks on in basements that were dusty and
dirty with a miner's cap and flashlight on my head looking for records that
i didn't even know what they were, gotten up at 5 in the morning _many
times_ to do saturday garage sales and spent thousands of dollars which i
happened to have trying to figure all of this shit out!!!
AND i can rememebr saying to friends 10 years ago;
"do you think anyone else will discover esquivel besides guys like us ?
and my friend said "naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa"  it's too fucking weird and
brilliant.  the public are sheep.

you guys and gals simply walk into a record store and get to buy on cd a
bunch of super fucking cool shit just like that.

life is such a bitch, ain't it ?  compilations or full LP's ?
their both great in as what this music is and how rare and amazing it is.

it's a goddamn miracle that sooooo much of it is available to all of
us,even us record junkies

btw, sound gallery volume 2 from SCAMP is 5 stars!!!  all time great and
much better than the 1st volume.  electric sitar everywhere ;-)>




"Record collecting is no mere hobby, no leisurely
innocuous diversion.  It's a feverish passion
bordering on dementia, driving those under its
influence including myself, to irrational,
compulsive and sometimes fanatical extremes."
3-93  Jack Diamond

Bye for now,
Jack ;-)>




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From: Bryan Jare Cuevas <[e-mail]>
Subject: More Abstract/Wordless Vocals
Date: 15 Sep 1996 18:21:19 -0400 (EDT)

Just picked up a couple of fab releases with some smooth
wordless vocal work - check these out:

(1) Stan Getz "Voices" (Verve 1966; CD reissue)
    This album is included with "Cool Velvet" from 1960.

(2) Paul Desmond "Paul Desmond Quintet/Quartet" (OJC reissue)
    Two albums formerly entitled: "Paul Desmond" (1956) and
"Paul Desmond Quartet featuring Don Elliott" (1957), with the
Bill Bates Singers - relaxed west coast sound, and dig that
chorus. Nice!

b. cuevas

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Denny - Exotic Moog
Date: 15 Sep 1996 23:33:08 -0600

Picked up an VG+/EX- copy of Deny's "Exotic Moog" for a measly buck.
This was his last Liberty release, right? I was always under the
impression that this was one of his rarer albums. I know I scored a
winner--it's a great disk. Any other info on the disk?

[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Atomic Records, L. A.
Date: 16 Sep 1996 02:51:40 -0400

Can't recommend this place highly enough
not because owner Steve is my friend and partner on Exoticon '95
but because he has tons of experience working at Rhino and Record Surplus and
has tons of stock in this brand new store
and the prices run from dirt cheap to very fair on collectible items

ph  818/848-7090

3818 west Magnolia Bl
Burbank, CA
91505

1 1/2 blocks west of Hollywood Way

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From: [e-mail] (Keith Doyle)
Subject: Re: CD comps / reissues
Date: 15 Sep 1996 23:53:39 PDT


Thom Heileson <[e-mail]> writes:

>Just this... All these compilations are not inherently a bad
>thing (I also wish, in my perfect world, that all this stuff would
>be reissued as-were with the same album cover art on the
>CD sleeve, but Jill sounds pretty right on about the reasons
>this will not happen)...

I would agree that compilations are not inherently a bad thing,
but the argument that compilations are good so that you can
"find out what you like" only makes sense when the compilations
are like "samplers" where once you find out what you like you
can then go and buy more of just the specific artists that
appeal to you.  If there is no "more" available of these
artists, the concept of compilations as such samplers is bogus.

To me, compilations are good as lead-ins to complete albums
of whatever appeals to you but most cases here, the "samplers"
are all there is, or you have to look for the artists that
appeal to you on other compilations where you get only one
or maybe two songs by any given artist which is only cost
effective when the compilations are priced like singles
which they usually aren't.


Keith Doyle
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Jill Mingo)
Subject: Re:electronic dance music for Joe
Date: 16 Sep 1996 04:44:50 -0600 (MDT)


>Now if you have any suggestions that I *should* be listening to, I'd love to
>check them out.


Joe,

Off the top of my head, here are two relatively easy to find releases in the
UK (try indie or dance shops) that might serve as good examples of
electronic dance music with beauty...

U-ziq  "PH1/1700/??" on R&S Records, Belgium
69 Not sure of title, but it is an LP, also on R&S Records, Belgium
Jake Slazenger "Das ist Ein Groovy Beat, Ja?" Warp Records, UK


There are tons of 12" singles by various artists that would also fit, but
this stuff is extremely underground and hard to find - even if you know
where to look. A lot of it only exists in 2000 copies that came out 3 years
ago.  If you REALLY have luck, look for:
NATION TO NATION
WORLD TO WORLD
GALAXY TO GALAXY EPs, all on Underground Resistance, Detroit.

This is where beauty and rhythm meet. Dance music is music for the feet, but
it can also be from the soul too. A lot is very tribal. Like most music, the
stuff that is EASILY heard is usually the most bland. When you dig deeper
(in all genres), some real gems can be found...

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From: [e-mail] (Jill Mingo)
Subject: Re: (Fwd) Space Capades (Brace yourselves, this is long...)
Date: 16 Sep 1996 05:04:43 -0600 (MDT)


>Jill, I was agreeing with you up until this one.  Most of the drum machine
>music I've heard is bloody awful and I couldn't be bothered with it. It
>takes more skill being an actual drummer (ne: live, breathing, human being)
>than a computer programmer who uses machines to produce the AM/FM dribble
>that predominates the airwaves.  No flame, just my opinion.
>
>Bryan

Bryan,

Please see my comments to Joe on electronic dance music. As I said to him,
digging below the surface usually provides enlightening results in all
genres of music.  I can appreciate that if you have never heard anything
remotely interesting in this field, you aren't likely to dig deeper, but the
good stuff ain't gettin' played on AM/FM radio and it is far harder to find
(considering it is "current" music) than almost anything on this list.The
amount of "technohead" kids who got into electronic dance music, still go
out groovin', and buy loads of exotica is growing all the time. I think the
connection between the two is bigger than a lot of people realise. I'm not
sure where you are living, but here in Europe, decent electronic music,
while hard to find, IS "findable", whereas in my home country, the US,
finding decent electronic (while getting easier) is like a quest for the
Holy Grail. Music is my life's passion. Keep digging below the surface and
untold wonders and beauty will be found.


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Bongos (was Re: Send a drink to my table...)
Date: 16 Sep 1996 08:18:24 CST

I don't want to get everyone hot under the collar (and was it my post about
Space Capades and Populuxe that set off this firestorm?  I made a Space Capades
post, then my AOL account (oh yes, I have a special ring of hell reserved for
those jokers) got porked, so I lost the first replies in the thread...), but, in
the spirit of lightening up...

Someone on the exotica list (I dunno who, since that info doesn't seem to have
made it into my e-mail here at work) wrote:


>we can expect Ultra Lounge volume 37 (Bongos in a Bordello) to be out by
>the end of the year

Oh man, you're kidding!  I've been waiting for this one for sooo long!
Gonna fire up the lava lamp, put on my best Hawaiian shirt (with 501's and
Tony Lama boots, natch!), whip up a batch of some exotic concoction to pour
into my favorite tiki glass, and repeat-play Bongos 'til the cows come
home!


Along the same thread, Cherie wrote:

>I have been reading this 'discussion' and I have one question...Why are
>you people listening to this music?   I listen because I like it, it is
>fun...and it is pretty light.

I listen because I like it, and it's loads of fun.  I don't have very
limited musical tastes...Abba, Garth Brooks, Mozart, Cecilia Bartoli,
Ultravox, and many many others all party down side-by-side on my CD racks,
along with Space Capades, Mondo Exotica, and Melodies and Mischief.


>So Jack and Scott, please play some lighthearted music on Thursday and
>send me a Tequila Sunrise.  And tell that Bar to get some drink
>umbrellas.......

     Send me a Blue Hawaiian while you're at it!  With a big umbrella with
     the fruit stuck on it.

>Cherie
>[e-mail]

     Bob Powell
     (the opening of Bob's Vegas On The Web has been delayed due to
     aforesaid porking of AOL account)
     [e-mail] (and soon, I hope, again
     [e-mail])


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From: Bryan Jare Cuevas <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Comps as Samplers
Date: 16 Sep 1996 10:12:14 -0400 (EDT)

According to Keith Doyle:
> but the argument that compilations are good so that you can
> "find out what you like" only makes sense when the compilations
> are like "samplers" where once you find out what you like you
> can then go and buy more of just the specific artists that
> appeal to you.  If there is no "more" available of these
> artists, the concept of compilations as such samplers is bogus.

No more? That's why you go ** record ** shopping at your local
thrifts/flea markets - the cheap and exciting solution.
But, if you've chosen to stay in California or NYC then
you're apparently out of luck.

IMHO these compilations can work wonderfully as "samplers".

Hang in there....
b. cuevas

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From: "Laura Taylor" <[e-mail]>
Subject: gonna see dean
Date: 16 Sep 1996 12:28:01 -0400

Friends of Dean Martinez, that is, for free, tonight in Tampa, FL...I know
they come highly recommended by many on this list..what's a girl to expect
tonight?  I realize none of you Gonna-see-Yma types are jealous of this,
however..
Hasty replies appreciated,
Lounge Laura-who has only flamed her list-friends, I believe...
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From: "Steve Sando" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:electronic dance music for Joe
Date: 16 Sep 1996 10:43:26 +0000


> >Now if you have any suggestions that I *should* be listening to,
> >I'd love to check them out.

> that might serve as
> good examples of electronic dance music with beauty...
>
> also on R&S Records, Belgium
> Jake Slazenger "Das ist Ein Groovy Beat, Ja?" Warp Records, UK
>
Beauty?  I think this is fun, and being generous I'd even call it
clever, but it's hard for me to consider it a thing of beauty or even a
serious work. The attitude is a gas and I think he knows a good hook
when he hears it but ultimnately it's too repetitive (for me!). The
problem with a lot of this music (and modern music in general) is the
lack of a melody. People just don't write 'em like they used to! I
know, "it's not about the melody", but when someone can combine
innovation, melody, harmony, rhythm and inspire me to have a
cocktail, then I'll be impressed.


Coconut Grove Media, publishers of MisterLUCKY
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Subject: Re:electronic dance music for Joe
Date: 16 Sep 1996 13:54:21 -0400

Steve, I read the end of your post. Is "MrLucky" a magazine? Can you send me
info about it? Thanks.
Gloria

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From: [e-mail] (Jack Diamond)
Subject: Dick Hyman & Vinnie Bell Live!!!?
Date: 16 Sep 1996 11:07:59 +0000

Exoticon '95
I heard that Exoticon '95 was a "huge success"

I also heard that Dick Hyman was to Headline "Exoticon '96" BUT was deemed
not to make the grade as a Headliner.

How many people here would have gone to Exoticon '96 with Dick Hyman as
top bill on Moog, Electric Harpsicord with Vinnie Bell on Electric Guitar
and Electric Sitar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fuckin' A man!!!
______________________

Atomic Records, L. A.

I went to Atomic Records when I was in LA in May and left empty handed.
A loss for both of us.
I think more a loss for me than them as I spoent how much in gas and time
??? to find nothing ??
Maybe I'll go back again BUT maybe not when there are soooo many great
stores in LA and the Southern CA area that have TONS OF KILLER SHIT.
Why would I want to go back there ?  I don't know

Dick Hyman and Vinnie Bell top bill at Exoticon '96!!!
Who would go ?
The people in charge of that event said that the reason Exoticon '96 didn't
happen was because they didn't think anybody would come
Anybody being 2,000 people minimum.

Only 2,000 people

Jack



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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: record prices (Bleeker)
Date: 16 Sep 1996 14:09:27 -0400

It still is possible to get an excellent copy of "Other Sounds, Other
Worlds" for as little as $.25, but chances are that by the time you do, you
will have spent well over $100 worth of your time. Years can go by unless
you're well-connected and very driven or lucky.

I no longer get annoyed that a retail outfit decorates its wall for a year
until some well-heeled advertisting type buys it for the artwork (or as a
gift for someone else or whatever). It's silly to assume that the record
must be sold at listed price and to act like it's your right to get the
price you want to pay.

All these records are out there. "Vinyl's drying up" is a big lie. The
exotica/space-age market is just starting to bloom. But either do the
legwork or pay someone else; buy now or hold out indefinitely. You can
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From: [e-mail] (Jack Fetterman)
Subject: Re: The market
Date: 16 Sep 1996 18:09:46 GMT


>>>> (VG++/Mint/Stereo/RCA LSP 2658)
>Sid Ramin-New Threshholds in Sound-------$10
>>>>Sid Ramin composed/arranged/conducted the music for the eerie
>>>>electronic/orchestrated score of Stiletto which BTW is absolutely
>>>>brilliant if you don<t have it and
>>>>Sid Ramin arranged and scored the music for West Side Story and won an
>>>>academy award for it and he is also a great arranger/conductor for
Space
>>>>Age Pop, Surprised ;))!!!??
>>>>Titles include Strike Up The Band w/ a full fife and drum/bugle corps
w/
>>>>the orchestra;
>>>>April in Paris, Hernando<s Hideaway, Granada Typical> RCA space age
pop
>>>>brilliance
>>>>You're gonna like this :)))))))))))
>
>Jack,
>
>I _did_ have this if you're still interested ;)
>The next Man From UNCLE is your's, I promisey

yes please.

>Jack


hey Jack!

yeh, i think that you are correct. i will like it. i spin cuts from "the
sound america loves best," frequently.

sorry, if i'm stirring up emotions on the net. i'm surprised how many
people disagree with me. think i'll lay low for awhile.

and as i posted, i truly am sorry if i caused you to rethink your signoff.

j will send out check tomorrow. what was the postage etc. again?

jack


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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: New approach to marketing reissues (Labels TRY THIS!)
Date: 16 Sep 1996 14:18:27 -0400

>Am I wrong? Would not virtually EVERYONE on this list be inclined to promptly
>slap down $20 for a properly-done "Infinity In Sound Vols. 1&2" or "Fever &
>Smoke/Movin' & Groovin'" CD?

Get real. I wouldn't trade the vinyl for those CDs AND $20.

Tony "virtually smirtually" Wilds


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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: MoRe Baxter on GNP
Date: 16 Sep 1996 14:31:33 -0400

>> In addition to the Colors of Brazil/African Blue CD,
>>Baxter also did a series (with Neil Norman, who is, I believe, the son of
>>Gene Norman) called "Science Fiction's Greatest Hits." The group is
>>actually called "Neil Norman and his Cosmic Orchestra" and features Neil on
>>Theremin and Les on keyboards.  In addition to the renditions of John
>>Williams' worst, each of the discs features at least two Baxter originals
>>(which are a little bizarre, but are nevertheless tinged with those subtle
>>Baxter-Ravel-Poulenc nuances (except they are rendered without strings).

Don't leave out the great "Love is Blue" LP and the mighty "Moog Rock." Just
picked up the cassette of Sci-Fi's Greatest, but as I listen it seems to
need a little surgery. Aaaa, in the trash it goes. Caramba.

Then there's the Arthur Lyman LP where AL sings, Neil plays guitar, and
Baxter does the vocal arrangements. It's all just one vast club where
everyone does the same thing with each other over and over, like barflies in
a small town.

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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Baxter on GNP Crescendo
Date: 16 Sep 1996 14:42:19 -0400

>>Do you (or does anyone else) know what exactly Baxter's arrangement was
>>with GNP Crescendo?
>
>GNP merely reissued the albums becuase it was still in their catalog.
>I'm not sure if Baxter did any more stuff for GNP.
>
>Ashley

It's apparent that Neil and Baxter were close friends as well as
collaborators on many GNP projects. As in:

"Hey Les, wanna play piano on my next fantasy LP where I, like, dress up in
monster suits and play guitar and like, theremin and stuff, and, and...?"

Tony "GNP envy" Wilds


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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Denny - Exotic Moog
Date: 16 Sep 1996 14:51:26 -0400

At 11:33 PM 9/15/96 -0600, you wrote:
>Picked up an VG+/EX- copy of Deny's "Exotic Moog" for a measly buck.
>This was his last Liberty release, right?

Heck no. (All those records on Sunset are Liberty releases.)

>I was always under the impression that this was one of his rarer albums.

MD hisself said it "sold in the dozens" in the ISM book. "A Taste of India"
was the last of [all] the MD records I obtained.

Tony "moog rogue" Wilds


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From: [e-mail] (Jack Fetterman)
Subject: Re: The market
Date: 16 Sep 1996 19:42:58 GMT

yikes!

and here i wanted to lay low for awhile. my apologies for accidentally
posting a personal response.

jack


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: CD's and Moog Rock
Date: 16 Sep 1996 15:36:35 -0400

     Tony Wilds wrote:

     <<>Am I wrong? Would not virtually EVERYONE on this list be inclined
     >to promptly slap down $20 for a properly-done "Infinity In Sound
     >Vols. 1&2" or "Fever & Smoke/Movin' & Groovin'" CD?>>

     >Get real. I wouldn't trade the vinyl for those CDs AND $20.

     I agree, but incompletely. I have long vowed (as exotica is one of my
     'B' list hobbies) never to buy an exotic CD, and never pay more than
     $2 for any vinyl. But in the three years I've been rooting this stuff
     up, I have yet to find even ONE Esquivel platter and I'm begining to
     feel the strain...

     And 15 minutes later Tony Wilds wrote:

     >Don't leave out the great "Love is Blue" LP and the mighty "Moog
     >Rock."

     Is this the same 'Moog Rock' that I have??? With  the couple embracing
     on the cover? It's *pathetic* wimpy stuff, isn't it? Give me Dick
     Hyman at the Lowery any time.


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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: CD's and Moog Rock
Date: 16 Sep 1996 16:37:39 -0400

Responding to C Carlson:

>and never pay more than $2 for any vinyl.

Bet you're great on a date! ;)

>     Is this the same 'Moog Rock' that I have??? With  the couple embracing
>     on the cover? It's *pathetic* wimpy stuff, isn't it? Give me Dick
>     Hyman at the Lowery any time.

Obviously, you're not big on moog (wise enough; most of the records are
weak) or Baxter (gotta luv 'im). With the exception of "Moon Gas" but
including his moog records, Dick Hyman is often wonderful but just not in
the same league as the Great One. It's more of an accomplishment for Baxter,
who was not a lifelong keyboard slave but did have the stuff to create a
moog work of above-average originality and power. There's NOTHING pathetic
or wimpy about "Moog Rock," unless you just can't get past the
classical/rock fusion.

If this were chess, you'd be trading your queen for a knight, a 3-to-1
losing proposition. Listen to "Moog Rock" again with volume (and separate
those speakers). The cheesiness of the jacket indicates a good record inside.

Tony "in a foul moog" Wilds


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: misanthropy 511 playlist
Date: 16 Sep 1996 17:19:50 -0500

MISANTHROPY 511--p.o.box 23093--detroit, mi 48223
e-mail: [e-mail]

PLAYLIST

ARTIST---------TITLE--------------------CD/CASS/LP--------LABEL

SEPTEMBER 9, 1996

JACK FASCINATO-foggy recollections------music surplus store-CAPITOL
SCOT JENERIK---tracks 1-2-----------3000 words
CRAWL UNIT-----degenerative experiment--remains-----------POVERTECH
CRAWL UNIT-----loss----------------aftermusic----------POVERTECH
NOISEGATE------track 1------------------excavation day----NOISEGATE
MARCY----------let the sunshine in------marcy favorites---CONERSTONE
OTTO LUENING---low speed----------------pioneers electron-COMPOSERS
ZOVIET FRANCE--haze polder--------------digilogue---------SOLEILMOON
I.A.M. UMBRELLA-masque------------------v.a.blind gallery-FREEDOM VAC
JACK FASCINATO-spring sprang sprung-----music surplus store-CAPITOL
PIERRE SCHAEFFER-tracks 1-2-------------les incunables1948-50-INA.GRM
CM VON HAUSSWOLF-imaginary landscape #5-plays john cage---POVERTECH
PROPELLER------track 10-----------rame------------SCRATCH
RICHARD RAMiREZ-i am not who you think i am-catholic-----PINCH A LOAF
PERVASIVE PERCUSS-man onflying trapeze--pervasive percussion-SUTTON
CURRENT 93-----lashtal------------------lashtal----------L.A.Y.L.A.H.
MUSLIMGAUZE----empty quarter (pt.1)-----hunting out w/ an aerial eye
NOCTURNAL EMISSIONS-smear campaign 7▓---fruiting body----STERILE
H.N.A.S.-------brate mich auf offenem feuer-melchior---UNITED DAIRIES
KAPOTTE MUZIEK-muster-------------------the malevolent ear-RED STREAM
GEORGE SHEARING Q.-yesterday╣s child----mood latino------CAPITOL

SEPTEMBER 16, 1996

JONAH JONES----sleepy lagoon------------great instrumental-CAPITOL
CRAWL UNIT-----a thing of beauty..------v.a.accel world--PINCH A LOAF
BERNHARD GUNTER-stone circles-----------details agrandis--SELEKTION
DISINFORMATION-data storm pt. 1---------ghost shells------ASH
INCAPACITANTS--term structure wrestling-v.a.extreme japan-SUSAN LAWLY
OVAL-----------schoner wissen---------systemisch--------THRILL JOCK
MNORTHAM-------condensation-------------condensation------POVERTECH
CHRIS WATSON---moray firth, scotland----stepping into dark-TOUCH
HARRY BERTOIA--passage------------------all & more/passage-SONAMBIENT
LIFE GARDEN/ VOICE OF EYE-track 6-------hungry void 2:air-AGNI
TONY MOTTOLA---cry me a river-----------warm,wild,wonderful-PROJECT 3
HUNTING LODGE--icepick method----------will--------------S/M OPERATI
FACTRIX/ CAZAZZA-death by hanging-------california babylon-SUBTERRANEAN
THE LEATHER NUN-slow death--------------slow death--------WIRE
CONTROLLED BLEEDING-knees---------------knees and bones---PSYCHOUT
ESQUIVEL-------sun valley ski run-------strings aflame----RCA
A PRODUCE------empty pause--------------inscape & landscapeTRANCE PORT

THESE ARE GREAT TIMES TO BE A MISANTHROPIST !!

Misanthropy 511 is broadcast on Sunday nights from mid-2am on CJAM 91.5
fm Windsor, Ontario  Canada. CJAM can be heard throughout the Windsor/
Detroit Michigan area.  Misanthropy 511 features from easy listening to
moments of mayhem. Noises of the modern world in living stereo.

We would like to thank all who have sent us promos. It is greatly
appreciated.

Misanthropy 511 is also broadcasted monthly on Radio Marabu. Radio
Marabu is based in Belm Germany and broadcast at various times on 13
different stations throughout Europe. It is also on shortwave. Write to
Radio Marabu for more info and tell them Misanthropy sent you. Radio
Marabu p.o.box 1166,  49187, Belm  Germany .  e-mail:
[e-mail]
 web site: http://www.dma.be/p/amphion/sztuka/marabu.html

The performance side of Misanthropy, The Hearing Trumpet,continues hard
at work. We have several self-released cassettes available and are
currently working on new projects.  The Hearing Trumpet has been
described by others as #radio concret#, #ambient noise#, & #distant
rumblings#.Write for more info or ordering.

David Warmbier & Greg Hallock

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From: [e-mail] (Jill Mingo)
Subject: Re: Denny - Exotic Moog
Date: 16 Sep 1996 15:55:10 -0600 (MDT)


>>I was always under the impression that this was one of his rarer albums.
>
>MD hisself said it "sold in the dozens" in the ISM book. "A Taste of India"
>was the last of [all] the MD records I obtained.

Sorry, had to reply, but this is so weird. I live in the UK, you can't find
this music for love or money, and I have two copies of "Exotic Moog" - one
has an obnoxious scratch in "Quiet Village", but my friend got it for me for
50 cents, and the other is mint that a friend of mine sent me from
Copenhagen. Was previously owned by a radio station. And my total cost for
these: $0.00. I must be the luckiest person alive or something. And thank
God for good friends....

Jill




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From: Thom Heileson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Combustible Edison: Solid Show
Date: 16 Sep 1996 12:28:56 -0700

The Combustible Edison show, last night at the Crocodile Cafe in Seattle, was
magnificent as always. Two long, fab sets. Turns out it was the last stop on their tour.
Their ever-charming and understated diva just gets dee-lovelier, singing-style-wise, all
the time. Her vox on the ballads was breathy, angelic, enChanteuse-enchanting as
anything. She seems to be experimenting with her style a bit more than the last time I
saw them, i.e. the vocals sound less and less like the recordings per se; she is
stretching out the timing on the lines, in a jazzesque fashion.  She is also quite the
"Renaissance Woman," constantly switching from bongos to xylos to drums etc.

And the rest of the band showed themselves, again, to be artistes of the highest order.
Highlights included a grande ratio of Denny/Tiki-esque instrumentals, and some
amazing soloing by all involved. "Solid State" (my personal fave) featured some
niceNice space-electro soundz by the keyboardist, as well as a brilliant intro by the
effervescent guitarist-slash-M.C. (the king of Loungeact monologuing, in my book)

They did some nice swanky standards in addition to their usual repertoire, such as
"Summer Samba" ("So Nice") and "Music To Watch Girls By"...

(Speaking of "Music To..." -- anyone on this list residing in the PacNW should check
out Dudley Manlove Quartet if they haven't. They played to an adoring audience
Saturday nite at the OK Hotel. DMQ are simply a blast to see: lots o great 60s and 70s
covers done with mucho flair.)

Enough rattling on for now; I simply had to say Kudos to these guys...

          +  ---                           Thom S. Heileson
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Cheap date?
Date: 16 Sep 1996 18:27:10 -0400

     Responding to C Carlson:


     <Obviously, you're not big on moog (wise enough; most of the records
     are weak) or Baxter (gotta luv 'im). With the exception of "Moon Gas"
     but including his moog records, Dick Hyman is often wonderful but just
     not in the same league as the Great One. It's more of an
     accomplishment for Baxter, who was not a lifelong keyboard slave but
     did have the stuff to create a moog work of above-average originality
     and power. There's NOTHING pathetic or wimpy about "Moog Rock," unless
     you just can't get past the classical/rock fusion.>

     OK, I'll try it again, but for this sort of thing go to the source: W.
     Carlos. But I like Baxter; "Moog Rock" just has a 'knock-off' feel to
     it that his good and/or great work doesn't.. I mean, check the running
     time of the record! Not that quantity=quality, but this is pretty
     short! Or do I have a re-issue?

     <>and never pay more than $2 for any vinyl.

     Bet you're great on a date! ;)>

     Does this mean dinner and the thrift store in not the way to go?

     Craig
     [e-mail]  or:
     [e-mail]

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From: HIFI <[e-mail]>
Subject: gerald wiggins/jerry wiggins
Date: 16 Sep 1996 17:52:00 -0500

looking for a gerald wiggins WIGGIN' OUT hifi album (cat # J618)with a mint
cover.  also need, jerry wiggins WIGGING WITH THE WIG album (dunno the
original cat # or label) mint cover.  and while I'm at it: JACK BONGO
BURGER's The End On Bongos hifi 804 - both the photo cover and the painting
cover.

send all missives to
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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From: [e-mail] (Marie Guinto)
Subject: Re: Marie's the name
Date: 16 Sep 1996 16:13:28 -0800

Hi Ford,

        I just received your list,  all I can say is WOW!!!  I took off
work Friday (Yes a three day weekend), so I didn't have a chance to write
you this weekend.  I'll comprise a list tonight and get back to you.
Thanks so much for doing this.  I'm searching through my show tapes for a
fun one.

Thanks again,

Marie
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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Cheap date?
Date: 16 Sep 1996 19:19:32 -0400

>OK, I'll try it again, but for this sort of thing go to the source: W.
Carlos.

If you want the "Tron" soundtrack, lemme know.

>[Moog Rock] is pretty short!

Ramones rule #1: Shorter is BETTER. Leave 'em hungry and all that.

>Does this mean dinner and the thrift store in not the way to go?

Many thrifters drink their dinner, which'll run your wallet dry but fast! I
like to take 'em to buy "dented cans" at grocery fleas on Sunday morning --
you can get all sorts of gourmet food really cheap. And Pop Rocks, the
Action Candy. That way you don't compete for tiki mugs and you can make dinner.

Tony "Pop Rocks 'n Jolt" Wilds


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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: Jerry Cole & his Spacemen
Date: 16 Sep 1996 19:21:08 -0400

Ahh, sweet surf. What else did Jerry Cole & his Spacemen do besides the
EXTRA-STUPENDOUSLY TERRIFIC "Outer Limits" LP (Wipeout, Sukiyaki, Pipeline,
Midnight Surfer, Point Panic, Tequila, Papa-Oom-Mow-Mow, etc.)?

So great. Must have more. Wished there'd been some of this blasting out over
those awesome hurricane waves a week ago (ok, so on the East Coast it still
means a passably good time on a short board at best). Scorching guitar.

Also enjoying Portrait of Leda [Annest], India Adams: Comfort Me w/Apples,
Kahli Bahlu, and 1986 Wanda Jackson today.

Wow, surf you can twist to. Ending the End of Summer blues. May have to play
this one more than once...every hour. And I thought the Champs were the
cat's ass!

papapapapapapaoommmoowomwmwommwoamooomwmwoaoaomow!


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From: [e-mail] (Chris Strouth)
Subject: So, I am going to St.Louis
Date: 16 Sep 1996 18:58:05 -0500

Hi, Been pretty busy lately and not a real active poster. but now I am
going to St.Louis for MRMF  this weekend and want to know if there is
anything cool to do there. IE; record shoping , cool shops etc. and if you
live there go to see Colfax Abbey on Thursday,
if anyone has a suggestion as what to do in ST.Louis for 3 days please let
me know.
feel free to mail me , or to the list whatever

happily yours
Chris









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From: Grant China <[e-mail]>
Subject: Ultra-Lounge query (no flames involved)
Date: 16 Sep 1996 15:11:59 -1000

Well, I just picked up volume 9 of the Ultra-Lounge series, "Cha Cha De
Amor".  Has anybody else noticed that the picture on the inside back cover
is *almost* the exact same as the cover of George Shearing's "Latin Lace" LP
but not quite the same?  The background is identical but the girl in the
mirror is different.  Not just the face either, but her whole body is very
slightly different.

Does anybody know what the story is there?  Obviously a lot of effort went
into trying to match the picture on "Latin Lace" as closely as possible but
why not just use the original cover?

Aloha,
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From: "Chrysler Mighuel Stewart" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Combustible Edison: Solid Show
Date: 16 Sep 1996 20:27:24 -0700



*Sniff* *Sniff* (Oh what the heck-) Sob Sob Soooob!
    Such Envy... You see, This weekend was my Birthday. I had two plans, both
which were ruined... The first was to go to Seattle Saturday Night, to see
the legendary Scope-O-Tones at the Pike Street Cinema, the second plan was
to go see Combustable Edison play at the Crocodile "Cafe." (Tail wagging
strongly at the mention of either- you'll see my metaphor in a minute.)
    After Much anticipation and research, I was told, bluntly, by a close
friend, that the Pike Street Cinema had closed some time last year... (I
respect your honesty, but it still hurts...) No more Scope-O-Tones for
me... *Sniffle* Then, (Tail lowers, yet still timidly waving,) I thought
that I'd be able to spend my birthday in this magnificent Crocodile "Cafe."
I called and called, and had the time and address and price and everything-
Then- THEN! (What Nerve!) They have the _gall_ to tell me that the Dive is
21 and over- card at the door! Ha! Some Cafe! So! I missed that as well.
(Tail drops between legs.) Instead I just brought a bunch of pals to Archie
McFee's (the NorthWest's bossest Outfitter of Popular Culture-) and went to
Tower Records and scored Three cool Pizzicato Five CD's.... Small solace,
since the total came to Ñ5,600! Seven times what I would have had to pay to
see Combustable Edison play, and of course, since we were in Seattle, what
did it do?! Rain of course! Buckets and Sheets! So it was cold and wet and
my fur got all matted... Grrr!
    I feel fortunate, however because I did get to see Combustable Edison play
at Bumbershoot in Seattle not to weeks ago. It was great, mind you, but
they were kind of hurried because they had to clear the stage for a "real"
band: Mudhoney (Boooo!) And and Miss Lily Banquette seemed kind of ill or
maybe just shy (although It was really cool to see her play drums, and of
course, our own Brother Cleve was on keyboards!) I just knew that they were
leaving out a great deal of numbers, and the show would be far improved at
the Crocodile... (Another reason for me to dispise alcohol, although more
for the political standpoint this time...)
     The weekend wasn't all a bust, however... My brother, Cuntundo bought the
"Four Rooms" soundtrack, which is quite yummy, and my other brother,
Cadaggio purchased a fine Les Baxter reissue!
            Sulk, sulk,
        Rev. Chrysler Mighuel Stewart
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From: Joe Kilmartin <[e-mail]>
Subject: CD's and Moog Rock & Beatin' the Montenegro Horse...
Date: 16 Sep 1996 23:34:27 -0400

At 04:37 PM 16/09/1996 -0400, you wrote:

>
>If this were chess, you'd be trading your queen for a knight, a 3-to-1
>losing proposition. Listen to "Moog Rock" again with volume (and separate
>those speakers). The cheesiness of the jacket indicates a good record inside.



Indeed.  Gotta separate them speakers for ANY moog.

I'm surprised nobody's mentioned the ULTRA-cool "moog Power" by Hugo
Montenegro or some of HM's later early '70's cover tunes that seemed to be
festooned with electronic arrangements yet...


Stickin' my head in a closing door,

Joe in TO





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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Tiki Tones live 4 Joe
Date: 17 Sep 1996 00:55:09 -0400

to get 'em live would be tough but to order Tiki Tones and Huntington Cads
CDs email their record co @

ShagLono

thanks for the tip on Royal Jelly Orchestra I'll keep an ear out for 'em

Otto

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: exotica in Japan??
Date: 17 Sep 1996 00:55:12 -0400

I think there is a Trader Vic's there so if you've never been to Vic's you
can pick up an original Mai Tai made by Japanese bartenders!!

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Ultra-Lounge query (no flames involved)
Date: 17 Sep 1996 01:43:15 -0400

>>>Well, I just picked up volume 9 of the Ultra-Lounge series, "Cha Cha De
Amor".  Has anybody else noticed that the picture on the inside back cover
is *almost* the exact same as the cover of George Shearing's "Latin Lace" LP
but not quite the same?  The background is identical but the girl in the
mirror is different.  Not just the face either, but her whole body is very
slightly different.

Does anybody know what the story is there?  Obviously a lot of effort went
into trying to match the picture on "Latin Lace" as closely as possible but
why not just use the original cover?

Aloha,
Grant<<

Well, I do know a bit of the story on this.  There's a magazine of cool
retro-smut called TEASE (featuring good girl art ala Petty and Vargas, and
modern pin-ups etc.  The last issue had a great centerfold of Poison Ivy of
the Cramps at their own Tiki Bar).  Anyway, they had an article and interview
with the guy who was the art director for Capitol Records in the 50s and 60s
when they shot all those gorgeous girl covers.  What was his name?  Jim
Silkie, I think.  He also painted good girl art (and quite well) and did a
comic in that style called RASCALS IN PARADISE.  In any event, he told about
working with the various models (like Sandy Warner) and noted on the George
Shearing cover you mentioned that they used one model for the back, and
another model for the face in the mirror (cut and paste job).  So the shot
used on Ultra Lounge was probably the original photograph with the actual
face of the model whose back only showed up on the album cover.

--David

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Big Moog
Date: 17 Sep 1996 07:32:39 -0400

     More than one person wrote:

     >Indeed.  Gotta separate them speakers for ANY moog.

     I don't want a rep as 'that guy who hates moog...what do we know about
     him, anyway??'. I like it fine, but I'm partial to stuff like 'The
     Happy Moog' where you want to get the microwave popcorn out (ever try
     Jiffy pop in a m-wave? Don't.) That's music written with the moog's
     ahhh... special characteristics in mind.

     And my speakers are seperated, baby. Wanna see my monster cable?

     Craig

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: electronic dance music for Joe
Date: 17 Sep 1996 09:15:53 -0400

Hi Jill,

UNDERGROUND RESISTANCE in this list ??&%?(=?%??
GREAT, Jill.
Nation to Nation, World to World are f****ing good. Yeah I agree fully with
you. Strange and exotic sounds you also can hear in current music; esp. drum
machines, hear most of UK drum n' bass stuff like JACOBS OPTICAL STAIRWAY / 4
HERO (Reinforced) or LTJ BUKEM (Moving Shadow) or the exotic sounds of OVAL
or BLUE BYTE (Milles Plateaux). There's definately a connection between these
worlds: "New Electronic (Dance) Music" and the "Exotic sounds" of the older
times. The people of Reinforced for example uses old analogue Moog etc. stuff
 to create these sounds and combine it with newest recording technique.
So, WORLD to WORLD ...

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From: [e-mail] (Brother Cleve)
Subject: Re: (Fwd) Re: Compilations/Reissues
Date: 17 Sep 1996 14:01:46 -0400 (EDT)


>Well, Reprise doesn't have a lost Esquivel album in its vaults but RCA/BMG
>is suspected to have the GREAT lost Esquivel album in its own vaults.
>Is this story common knowledge by now? If not, perhaps Br. Cleve can give a
>summary and news update.

Yes, I can. According to Irwin, RCA has not even looked for it. (And BTW,
Juan did no other recordings for Reprise. In fact, that album was only
licensed by them. It almost never came out on CD because there was no
paperwork on it anywhere, although the album's owner, Albums Inc, was
finally tracked down).

I met with Neely Plumb last week, who reiterates that "See It In Sound" is
a masterpiece, that he and Juan worked on for a good year or so. Will RCA
try to find it and release it? Who knows? There's been lots of talk here
lately about reissuing complete albums on CD, but frankly, most record
exec's in the U.S. are so caught up in the rock thing, I wouldn't hold my
breath. Many industry types, bred on classic rock, see it as an annoying
fad. Don't forget, it took Nirvana selling millions of records before the
majors took modern rock seriously.


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From: [e-mail] (Brother Cleve)
Subject: Re: "Mah-Na Mah-Na"
Date: 17 Sep 1996 14:01:08 -0400 (EDT)

>Sorry, I was conversing with Lounge Laura about the Esquivel
>cover of "Mah Na Mah Na" and I replied to the list.
>Cleve? Any word on a domestic release of "The Great Lost Esquivel Single"?

This is a late response, as I've been on tour for the last few weeks....

I can't go into a lot of details, but let's just say I hope that my
compilation entitled "The Sights and Sounds of Esquivel!" will see the
light of day at some time. There are a number of reasons that I can't go
into in a public forum as to why it has not been released. It is a
collection of live and studio Esquivel recordings from 1963-1977.

This amazing gentleman's career has spanned 50 years now (his first
recording was in 1945), and stylistcally he has covered a lot of ground.
"Mah Na Mah Na" and his other seventies recordings feature no 'boinks' or
steel guitars, but fuzz guitars and wah wah electric pianos and other
sounds of the times. Hopefully, all of his music will be available in the
coming years. (And PLEASE RCA/BMG, will you at least *look* for "See It In
Sound"!!!!! PLEASE!!!!!!! )

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: New approach to marketing reissues (Labels TRY THIS!)
Date: 17 Sep 1996 14:19:36 -0400

At 02:18 PM 9/16/96 -0400, you wrote:
>>Am I wrong? Would not virtually EVERYONE on this list be inclined to promptly
>>slap down $20 for a properly-done "Infinity In Sound Vols. 1&2" or "Fever &
>>Smoke/Movin' & Groovin'" CD?
>
>Get real. I wouldn't trade the vinyl for those CDs AND $20.
>
>Tony "virtually smirtually" Wilds

Sorry Tony but I would.

Bryan


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From: "Laura Taylor" <[e-mail]>
Subject: FRIENDS OF DEAN/MINSTRELS
Date: 17 Sep 1996 14:40:41 -0400

OK! Rockers and loungers unite with me for my concert review of FRIENDS OF
DEAN MARTINEZ and THE MINSTRELS.  I had no idea what to expect from the
Minstrels-a 60s power-pop band, mostly from Canada.  I'll ad, too, that I am
mostly not impressed and mostly depressed by many bands I see.  These
wwwaaayyy-out Beatle/Gerry and the Pacemakers/invasion-ey band knocked me out
not only with those aforementioned influences, but, imagine my shock and
extreme pleasure, that they not only did Brigette/Serge's HARLEY DAVIDSON(in
perfect Quebec French!), but also Taboo...ahhhhaahhhh....I lost my mind!  So,
it was 60s pop and exotica combined....too much, baby!
FRIENDS OF DEAN MARTINEZ were absolutely SUBLIME!  They opened up, steele
guitar wailing, with SUMMERTIME, and ran thru other hits, as well as what I
assume were many cool, western-Enio-desert originals...Dean
Martin's(natch)"Sway With Me,"(rat-packers, is that the right title?)
and...uh...the black-and-tan stained memories are interfering at this
point...uh...some song Jack Jones popularized...oh, and they did MISTY, too.
I got misty just hearin' it!  So, it was a great night of lounge in a town
that sorely needs it but probably wouldn't appreciate or get too much of it
anyway, good ol' Tampa, Florida.
Cheers to the drummer of the Minstrels, too, who wore a turtle-neck for his
more mod band, and who filled in for FRIENDS OF wearing a Hawaiian shirt that
might even make Jack Diamond a tad envious!
And thanks to the gals who told me this would be a good show!
Lounge Laura
"it's just my nature to do weird stuff..."


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From: [e-mail] (Brother Cleve)
Subject: Re: Ultra-Lounge query (no flames involved)
Date: 17 Sep 1996 16:31:16 -0400 (EDT)

>>  Has anybody else noticed that the picture on the inside back cover
>>is *almost* the exact same as the cover of George Shearing's "Latin Lace" LP
>>but not quite the same?

>on the George Shearing cover you mentioned that they used one model for
>the back, and
>another model for the face in the mirror (cut and paste job).  So the shot
>used on Ultra Lounge was probably the original photograph with the actual
>face of the model whose back only showed up on the album cover.

That's correct. The face was changed because a Capitol exec thought that it
was "too ethnic", so a white womans face was inserted.

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From: Grant China <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Ultra-Lounge query (no flames involved)
Date: 17 Sep 1996 10:49:39 -1000

At 10:39 AM 9/17/96 -1000, br cleve wrote:
>>>  Has anybody else noticed that the picture on the inside back cover
>>>is *almost* the exact same as the cover of George Shearing's "Latin Lace" LP
>>>but not quite the same?
>
>>on the George Shearing cover you mentioned that they used one model for
>>the back, and
>>another model for the face in the mirror (cut and paste job).  So the shot
>>used on Ultra Lounge was probably the original photograph with the actual
>>face of the model whose back only showed up on the album cover.
>
>That's correct. The face was changed because a Capitol exec thought that it
>was "too ethnic", so a white womans face was inserted.

Yes but as I mentioned in the initial post, it's not just the face that's
changed.  The back of the model in "Cha-Cha De Amor" is also different than
the back of the model on "Latin Lace" (or possibly it's the same model but
her position is slightly different).  Different picture from the same photo
shoot, maybe?

Aloha,
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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: FRIENDS OF Sway Sera
Date: 17 Sep 1996 17:52:06 -0400

>Dean Martin's(natch)"Sway With Me,"(rat-packers, is that the right title?)

It's called alternately "Sway" or "Quien Sera" and is hardly Dean Martin's.
If a cover of it could belong to anyone, it would have to be Xavier Cugat,
who makes it the definitive rumba (if not Latin tune, period) on The Best of
Cugat.

Ray Anthony does a "sublime" tongue-in-cheek version if you must have male
vocals. Then there are Rosie Clooney and Prado together, an icky Baxter
version, and bezillions more.

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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Ultra-Lounge whitewash
Date: 17 Sep 1996 18:01:19 -0400

>That's correct. The face was changed because a Capitol exec thought that it
>was "too ethnic", so a white womans face was inserted.
>
>br cleve

Just as I was about to go postal, I considered that the exec might have been
making the packaging more honest: a little more whitebread to match the music.

Tony "olive is beautiful" Wilds


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From: [e-mail] (Marie Guinto)
Subject: Re: Ultra-Lounge query (no flames involved)
Date: 17 Sep 1996 15:37:32 -0800


>That's correct. The face was changed because a Capitol exec thought that it
>was "too ethnic", so a white womans face was inserted.

Ooohh that ruffles my feathers, unfortunatly I'm sure there were a lot of
"these" types of decisions that went on or are going on.   We are either
working for, or consumers of "the man."

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From: " /  dave  /  "  <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: FRIENDS OF Sway Sera
Date: 17 Sep 1996 17:39:44 -0500 (CDT)

Tony "sway away from rats" Wilds writes:
> Ray Anthony does a "sublime" tongue-in-cheek version if you must have male
> vocals. Then there are Rosie Clooney and Prado together, an icky Baxter
> version, and bezillions more.

Hmm... Baxter's "Sway" isn't *that* bad, is it? I kind of like it. Besides, the
Carribbean Moonlight LP has that lushy-gushy version of Taboo as well. I do like
that quite a bit.

dave

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From: " /  dave  /  "  <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Ultra-Lounge query (no flames involved)
Date: 17 Sep 1996 18:11:31 -0500 (CDT)

br cleve wrote:
> >That's correct. The face was changed because a Capitol exec thought that it
> >was "too ethnic", so a white womans face was inserted.

..which is deplorable, and particularly predominant in the "exotica" genre, no?

and Grant added:
> Yes but as I mentioned in the initial post, it's not just the face that's
> changed.  The back of the model in "Cha-Cha De Amor" is also different than
> the back of the model on "Latin Lace" (or possibly it's the same model but
> her position is slightly different).  Different picture from the same photo
> shoot, maybe?

Naturally this could be the case. I still have yet to get a look at the Ultra
Lounge CD that's being discussed, but my first question would be: How could
anyone possibly mistake that back for another? I mean, really. Surely someone
who's got both photos in front of them can tell if it's the same back. (But like
I said, I haven't seen the CD.)

At any rate, I started writing a message about this last night but my computer
locked up halfway through the first paragraph. When I finally got things up and
running again, I dropped a half-melted ice cream sandwich in my lap and then the
phone started ringing off the hook as I was about to go on-line. No doubt the
successful completion of this post will result in my being struck dead by a
wayward bus on the way home from work tonight, but so be it. The word must get
out. The force be with me. What I was going to say last night was that the
interview with Silke (sp?), the Capital Art Dept. guy in the 50s & 60s,
originally appeared in Preston Peek's article on cheesecake cover art in a
recent issue of Goldmine. The interesting thing about it is that Silke said that
the photos featuring the original model - before the (in his words) "Caucasian"
face was inserted in the mirror - have all been "lost." If it is in fact the
same photo, then Capital must have recently unearthed it somewhere. And if it is
the original photo, who is it? Anyone we know?

Meanwhile, hurricanes rage, floods flood, Bosnians self-determine, and the
Market moves ever closer to a crash. Now what were we talking about? (Sorry -
I've been hanging around the virtual newsstand too much lately.)

dave

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From: "Desmond K. Hill" <[e-mail]>
Subject: re. misanthropy 511 playlist(s)
Date: 17 Sep 1996 18:26:09 +0000

        whilst i enjoy reading playlists, there is so little antique
exotica in this one, i believe misanthropy 511 is taking up space better
served with the discussions otherwise expressed within the exotica m-list..


        can't we keep exotica exotic?

des




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From: Peter Ledebur <[e-mail]>
Subject: Back from vacation, here's my haul!
Date: 17 Sep 1996 20:58:35 -0400

Skip this message if this sort of gloating gets on your nerves, but =
since=20
I enjoy reading Robbie's and others reports, I'm gonna take a turn. This =
is=20
a small sampling of what I came back from vacation with. Most of these=20
were thrifted in Maryland and Virginia. I haven't had time to clean and =
listen=20
to 'em yet, but there are some obvious winners here.

The T-Bones -- No Matter What Shape (Your Stomach's In) -- Liberty
    (from the Alka Seltzer commercial)

Doc Severinson -- High Wide & Wonderful -- Command
    (also got "Fever!," "The Great Arrival" and "Live!")

Tammy Faye Baker -- self-titled (I think, no sleeve) -- PTL Club
    (her voice is scary, yet in a compelling sort of way)

Maurice Larcange -- ? (no sleeve - billed as Maurice Larcange -- =
Accordion=20
with The Roland Shaw Orchestra & Chorus) -- London Phase 4

Henry Mancini -- Charade soundtrack -- RCA Victor
    (I *hated* Cary Grant in this flick!)

Percy Faith -- Black Magic Woman -- Columbia
    (also scored The Percy Faith Strings' "The Beatles Album)

101 Strings -- Bridge Over Troubled Water/Million Seller Hits -- Alshire
    (2 LP gatefold set - the first record was arranged & conducted by =
Nelson Riddle, the second by Les Baxter)

Dora Hall -- Presents 12 Nationwide Chart Toppers -- Rainbeau
    (if the sleeve is any indication, this one may wind up somewhere in =
Mrs. Miller territory)

Jack La Forge, his Piano & Orchestra -- Hit the Road, Jack -- Audio =
Fidelity
    (he's an "Intercontinental Commuter" and "an eminent member of the Jet =
Set" according to the liner notes)

Tony Mottola -- Close to You -- Project 3
    ("Tony Mottola's guitar is probablyu the best tranquilizer you can buy =
today.")

Joe Harnell -- The Rhythm & the Fire -- Kapp
    (also "Fly Me to the Moon & the Bossa Nova Pops" which the station =
library already had, but it's nice to get my own copy)

Amormio Cillan, Jr. -- Dyna's Original -- Dyna
    ("The Philippines' Top Organist")

Maxwell Davis -- Theme from Batman -- Crown
    (includes tracks like "Irving Evil" and "Creepy Crawlers." Is this the =
same guy recently discussed on this list with a Batman record on Atco?)

Jackie Gleason -- Presents Lush Musical Interludes for That Moment -- =
Capitol
    (also "Oooo!")

Enoch Light & His Orchestra -- Rome 35/MM -- Command

Living Strings -- Play Songs of the Swingin' Sixties -- RCA/Camden

Frank Chacksfield -- Love Letters in the Sand -- London
    (who cares how it sounds... it's got my current fave album cover -- a =
blonde lying on the beach wearing a Bettie Page leopard-skin bikini with =
the cutest smile and raised eyebrow.)

For you Spinal Tap fans I found an RCA release by Four Jacks & a Jill, =
"Fables,"  from 1968. Who knew?

I also scored my first Heino LP -- also my second and third -- all still =
shrink-
wrapped. Among them, "Great Hits No.6" with that great German shepard=20
cover as seen in Incredibly Strange Music Vol.2.

Lastly, "Put on a Handicap -- Developing Positive Attitudes Toward the=20
Handicapped." Should fit nicely on a tape with the Kids of Widney High.

Boston-area Exotica Listers should tune in next Wed. (25th) for a show=20
comprised entirely of new records.

On tomorrow's (18th) show (barring any hitches) we should have our long-
anticipated guest DJ, Crime Jazz fiend and all-around great guy J.J. =
Rassler.

Peter (who's not saying one way or the other what he thinks of =
compilations).

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MUSIC FOR BETTER LIVING
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From: [e-mail] (D. Scott Springer)
Subject: Cover art shenanigans
Date: 18 Sep 1996 01:03:56 GMT

>----- Forwarded message (" /  dave  /  "  <[e-mail]>) -----<


br cleve wrote:
> >That's correct. The face was changed because a Capitol exec thought that
it
> >was "too ethnic", so a white womans face was inserted.

....which is deplorable, and particularly predominant in the "exotica"
genre,
no?


I think one of the prime examples of this phenomenon is the totally bizarre
cover of Baxter's "African Jazz," which features what appears to be an
white woman in what one can only describe as "whiteface." She is wearing
"African Tribal Garb." I would give a lot to know what the hell was going
on in the heads of those Capitol execs back then! Perhaps this one was the
result of a few too many in the Tower of Stars commissary.

Scott

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Makers of Smooth Music
Date: 17 Sep 1996 21:08:49 -0400 (EDT)

Greetings all after a 3 week absence...

Any one interested in "Song/Poem Music" a la "Beat of the Traps"/"Makers of
Smooth Music" might want to check out the Website of The Association for
the Preservation of Song/Poem Music (of which I am a proud,card carryin'
member!).

http://www.channel1.com/users/fxxm/intro.htm


Apollo Up!

Riviera



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From: "kevin king" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: FRIENDS OF Sway Sera
Date: 17 Sep 1996 21:04:47 -0500

Tony Wilds wrote:

> Ray Anthony does a "sublime" tongue-in-cheek version if you must
> have male vocals. Then there are Rosie Clooney and Prado together,
> an icky Baxter version, and bezillions more.

Been playing Prado's Twist Goes Latin which all sounds like a
Fellini movie (yum yum)!  There's a twist version of Sway that I've
just been rocking to.  Too much fun?


kevin king
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Ultra-Lounge query (no flames involved)
Date: 17 Sep 1996 22:08:45 -0400

In a message dated 96-09-16 22:45:52 EDT, you write:

>Well, I just picked up volume 9 of the Ultra-Lounge series, "Cha Cha De
>Amor".  Has anybody else noticed that the picture on the inside back cover
>is *almost* the exact same as the cover of George Shearing's "Latin Lace" LP
>but not quite the same?  The background is identical but the girl in the
>mirror is different.  Not just the face either, but her whole body is very
>slightly different.
>
>Does anybody know what the story is there?  Obviously a lot of effort went
>into trying to match the picture on "Latin Lace" as closely as possible but
>why not just use the original cover?
>
>Aloha,
>Grant

Capitol are lucky to have kept on file photos not used from album cover
sessions to spice up the artwork of the Ultra Lounge series.

Ashley

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Back from vacation, here's my haul!
Date: 17 Sep 1996 22:20:37 -0400

<<<Peter (who's not saying one way or the other what he thinks of
compilations).>>>

I wish you had been around BEFORE I said anything.  :)
Gloria

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From: Pea Hicks <[e-mail]>
Subject: Hello! Greetings!
Date: 17 Sep 1996 20:25:13 -0700

Howdy-

My name's Pea Hicks, I'm in San Diego, and I'm new here. Robbie Baldock
suggested I join.
Here's a couple questions:

Anyone got a definitive Claudine Longet discog?

Does anybody else have any records by Danny Guglielmi and Dena? I've got
one called "Adventure In Sound" that just blows my mind away. They were
a wanna-be Les Paul and Mary Ford but in my opinion they're much better
because Danny's multi-tracking technique was not as advanced (resulting
in a real distant, haunting sound) and Dena's vocals are way up front
and spooky/sexy/in-your-face sounding.
Just curious if anyone has any of their other records and if they're as
good as this one.

Visit my Optigan Homepage, realm of the Virtual Optigan!!

http://pegasus.adnc.com/~websites/experiment/optigan/intro.html

Pea Hicks

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From: Bruce Rhodewalt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Back from vacation, here's my haul!
Date: 17 Sep 1996 20:56:03 -0700

Peter Ledebur wrote:
>
> Skip this message if this sort of gloating gets on your nerves, but since
> I enjoy reading Robbie's and others reports, I'm gonna take a turn. This is
> a small sampling of what I came back from vacation with. Most of these
> were thrifted in Maryland and Virginia. I haven't had time to clean and listen
> to 'em yet, but there are some obvious winners here.
>
> The T-Bones -- No Matter What Shape (Your Stomach's In) -- Liberty
>         (from the Alka Seltzer commercial)
>

These guys kicked ass.  I think it was Tommy Tedesco, Hal Blaine and all
those other session chameleons from '60s L.A.  This version of "No
Matter What..." is much better than the A-S commercial.   There are at
least two more albums.

Bruce Rhodewalt
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Combustible San Fran review
Date: 18 Sep 1996 00:15:50 -0400

Maybe it was because The Millionaire welcomed me to the city (from the stage
between the first and second song in frontabout 800 other people) or maybe
because we joined them at their hotel later for drinks
but
this was the first time I'd seen 'em out of LA (saw them 4 times there) and I
thought this was a REALLY great show.
Although the set was basically a greatest hits - I think there was only one
new tune - the band played it all so well and it's actually fun to experience
their music live.
Lili was in rare form - her voice was taut and I noticed she's "refined" (for
lack of a better phrase) her stage presence. She very relaxed and in control
and was smiling often and just looking rather demure.
The Millionaire was in fine form introducing each song with some witty little
dialogue and drinking a yet unnamed cocktail no doubt concocted by Brother
Cleve. I've already forgotten the recipe but it included yellow chartruese
(?? is that really a liqour Cleve?)

I wasn't the only one who enjoyed the show
there was plenty of dancing despite wall to wall tables
plenty of howling and clapping as well
Emily from Seattle made sure to make it part of her stay here
and along with her 3-d shootin brother Hugh and Mr Lucky and entourage we
chatted with Combutible by the pool and Voodoo Lounge of their hotel til 3 in
the morn!
The band has one more date on this tour then after a break goes to Japan and
Australia
CE recorded "Miniskirt" by Esquivel and used recordings of the E-man doing
the vocal parts
Cleve has many projects up his sleeve including a visit to Mexico with The
Millionaire to stay with Esquivel with more reissues and collaborations to
follow
Cleve also has penned liner notes for 2 Ryko reissues as well as written
recent stories for Cheeseball, Lounge and my own zine Tiki News.

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From: [e-mail] (Jack Diamond)
Subject: Jerry Cole/Kole
Date: 17 Sep 1996 21:54:24 +0000

Jerry Cole or sometimes Kole was a session studio guitar player  who hit it
big and git a record deal with Capitol for a couple of rekkids (I think)
He has a few rekkods also on the Crown and the sound is all instro guitar
studio band screwin' around.  Mostly R & B based with some "surf" influence

He also has another rekkid on Crown that is something like Hot Rod Alley
which is basically "surf-like" R & B tunes with Hot Rod sounds.

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From: [e-mail] (Jack Diamond)
Subject: Ultra Lounge Vol 9
Date: 17 Sep 1996 21:57:16 +0000

>Well, I just picked up volume 9 of the Ultra-Lounge series, "Cha Cha De
>Amor".  Has anybody else noticed that the picture on the inside back cover
>is *almost* the exact same as the cover of George Shearing's "Latin Lace" LP
>but not quite the same ?

Grant,

Do you like the music or what ? ;))  Is it worth the 15 bucks you plopped down ?

Jack



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From: Susanne Stratford <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Combustible San Fran review
Date: 18 Sep 1996 15:38:10 +1000 (EST)

On Wed, 18 Sep 1996 [e-mail] wrote:

<snipperty snip snip>

> The band has one more date on this tour then after a break goes to Japan and
> Australia

Oh woooooow!!! They're comin' down-under!!!!!

When when when?

Miss Suze,
Lizard Lodge.


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From: [e-mail] (jordana)
Subject: WKPS
Date: 18 Sep 1996 01:51:30 -0400

I don't know if anyone's noticed, but I haven't posted in a little while.
1.  I owe the list a couple Jet Set Sounds playlists; those should be sent
tomorrow. 2.  I owe various people mix tapes and radio show tapes: I haven't
forgotten, and I do plan to get those finished soon.

I've been trying to get the Chemistry Set on its feet (new radio show of
experimental mixing, trip hop, noise, what-have-you) and other non-radio
stuff (like homework!).  If anyone wants to receive Chemistry Set playlists,
let me know.  I won't be posting those playlists to the Exotica-list so if
you are interested you'll have to let me know to keep you updated.   (You
can also be put on the Jet Set Sounds In Hi-Fi list, but since these
playlists will be posted to Exotica-L, that might be redundant).
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From: [e-mail] (Jill Mingo)
Subject: Re: FRIENDS OF Sway Sera
Date: 18 Sep 1996 06:26:05 -0600 (MDT)

>Tony "sway away from rats" Wilds writes:
>> Ray Anthony does a "sublime" tongue-in-cheek version if you must have male
>> vocals. Then there are Rosie Clooney and Prado together, an icky Baxter
>> version, and bezillions more.
>
>Hmm... Baxter's "Sway" isn't *that* bad, is it? I kind of like it. Besides,
the
>Carribbean Moonlight LP has that lushy-gushy version of Taboo as well. I do
like
>that quite a bit.
>

I'll take this one step further and say Baxter's version is unbelievably
amazing. It's the deepest exotic version I've ever heard IMHO. No matter how
cold it is outside, I can always listen to CARRIBEAN MOONLIGHT and feel warm
and tropical. Lushness with a "capitol" L!

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Don't be too hard on 'em/The Haul
Date: 18 Sep 1996 08:40:13 -0400

     It has been written:

     >>That's correct. The face was changed because a Capitol exec thought
     >>that it was "too ethnic", so a white womans face was inserted.

     >Ooohh that ruffles my feathers, unfortunatly I'm sure there were a
     >lot of "these" types of decisions that went on or are going on.   We
     >are either working for, or consumers of "the man."

     Don't forget, boys and girls, that this all took place about 40 years
     ago (back when the shoolyard rhyme was "eeny miney meenie moe, catch a
     ****** by the toe [hint: he wasn't a tiger]) and no one thought twice
     about it. A few years later we were a little better educated, thank
     Enoch. The affliction is called 'presentism' and involves applying
     morals and behaviorial patterns of today to events of long ago. Think
     of the recent flap about Thomas Jefferson and his slaves.

     Ok, this is too serious...I'll stop. But keep grains of salt handy
     when ejoying music and art of the past, and be glad that now we are so
     enlightened.

     Oh yeah, exotica:

     >Frank Chacksfield -- Love Letters in the Sand -- London
     >   (who cares how it sounds... it's got my current fave album cover
     >-- a blonde lyi ng on the beach wearing a Bettie Page leopard-skin
     >bikini with the cutest smile a nd raised eyebrow.)

     Oooh great finds. One of my fave covers is a Chacksfield, too. "On the
     Beach and other Movie Themes". Scary atom bomb explosion and it's laid
     out like a print ad for the movie... Never listened to it, though.
     Should I?

     >For you Spinal Tap fans I found an RCA release by Four Jacks & a
     >Jill, "Fables,"
     >from 1968. Who knew?

     I'm missing something here...what is the connection? Sounds
     intriguing.

     Craig, off his high horse, finally.

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From: "J. Anton Elmquist" <[e-mail]>
Subject: OYABANDO gig update - 9/20, NYC
Date: 18 Sep 1996 08:55:41 -0400

Citizens!

Time for the weekly OYABANDO gig update! We will be wearing all-new
shiny outfits at the New Music Cafe at Canal & W. Broadway, 10:00, this
Friday, September 20. Keep a special eye open for

                          Takuya Nakamura

Who will be adding a special south-of-the-border trumpet flavor to a
couple of tunes! This is all part of OYABANDO's new "special guest star"
policy - every gig, a new guest. This time Taku on Trumpet - and next
time, Usuke on vibes!

Cover should be around $5, we should go on around 10:00, the party
(though not our set) will last until Mika passes out and Steve starts
talking to his guitar.

                               OYABANDO!

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Subject: RE: Don't be too hard on 'em/The Haul
Date: 18 Sep 1996 11:16:24 -0400


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>     >For you Spinal Tap fans I found an RCA release by Four Jacks & a
>     >Jill, "Fables," from 1968. Who knew?
>
>     I'm missing something here...what is the connection? Sounds
>     intriguing.

OK, I seem to have stumped a number of people with this reference, so
lemme let youse offa the hook. Remember the scene at the air force base
with Fred Willard as an officer? He says something to the effect of "If you
guys want to hear some really good music, my cousin's in a group called
Four Jacks & a Jill. They play at the Holiday Inn in Dirtwater, Kansas."
(That's not an exact quote and I made up the cities' name, but you get the
picture).

Peter

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From: [e-mail] (ANITA SERWACKI)
Subject: Re: Dora Hall (was Re: Back from vacation)
Date: 18 Sep 1996 10:52:10 -0400

On 9/17/96 8:58 PM Peter Ledebur wrote:


>       Dora Hall -- Presents 12 Nationwide Chart Toppers -- Rainbeau
>           (if the sleeve is any indication, this one may wind up somewhere in
>       Mrs. Miller territory)

Gotta put my 2 cents in.  In the world of "so bad it's entertaining",
Dora does not dissappoint.  Mentioned by Jello in ISM2, she was
(and is?) the lunatic heir to the Solo Cup fortune who wizzed all
her money away trying to make herself a singing star.  But she couldn't
carry a note if her life depended on it.  And often the backing vocals
are cranked up in an attempt to conceal this fact. I've got 2 of her
albums and was lucky enough to score one of her "Secret Sleuth" video
tapes at a Sal. Army a few years back.  These were little musical
comedy videos starring Dora which you could get by mailing in Solo Cup
proofs of purchase.  The one I have co-stars Scatman Crothers (?!).
Brilliant.  Almost Krofft Bros. in the production value department.

Anita
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From: Lelia Ellen Raley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: FRIENDS OF DEAN/MINSTRELS
Date: 18 Sep 1996 10:55:30 -0400 (EDT)

"Sway with me"?  Perhaps you mean the Ol' Blue Eyes standard "Come Fly
With Me"?

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: RE: Don't be too hard on 'em/The Haul
Date: 18 Sep 1996 12:24:55 -0400

I have an album by Four Jacks and a Jill, plus I have their one hit 45. The
hit was called "Master Jack". They are kind of folky sounding.
Gloria

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From: Dan Townsend <[e-mail]>
Subject: Greetings to All
Date: 18 Sep 1996 09:38:55 -0700

Greetings All:
My name is Dan Townsend and this is my first post to this list.  I have
been lurking for about a week and finally decided that I have a valid
question:  Are the 101 Strings or Living Strings LP's worth checking out?
I have seen MANY in my travels, and mostly ignored them, but someone just
mentioned that they picked one up that was arranged by Les Baxter.  Is
there more to that thread or was that a one time project?  Pardon my
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Four Jacks and a Jill, Spinal Tap
Date: 18 Sep 1996 12:58:53 EDT

>> For you Spinal Tap fans I found an RCA release by Four Jacks & a Jill, =
>> "Fables,"  from 1968. Who knew?


Yes, that is an obscure reference, but My-Tee Fine!

From This is Spinal Tap:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
<Lindberg Air Force Base, Seattle, Washington>

Lieutenant Bob Hookstratten:

Did you ever run into a musical group works
out of Kansas City call themselves
"Four Jacks and a Jill"?
They've been at a Ramada Inn there for about 18 months
If you're ever in Kansas City
and want to hear some good music, you might want to drop
by. I would like to get the playing on about 1900
hours, if that is satisfactory?

Derek:       When will that be?

Hookstratten:I make it now it is about 1830 hours.

Derek:       So that's what? about 50 hours?

David:       120 hours?

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Who knew indeed!


Ray

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From: [e-mail] (D. Scott Springer)
Subject: Riddle conducts 101 Strings
Date: 18 Sep 1996 16:58:09 GMT

>----- Forwarded message (Peter Ledebur <[e-mail]>)
-----<


101 Strings -- Bridge Over Troubled Water/Million Seller Hits -- Alshire
    (2 LP gatefold set - the first record was arranged & conducted by =
Nelson Riddle, the second by Les Baxter)

Peter-

Wow! I have the Baxter 101 Strings albums (3- Que Mango!, Million Seller
Hits, and Songs from Spain), but I had no idea that Riddle had done any!
Are there any Riddle compositions on Bridge Over Troubled Water?

BTW I was at, of all places, The Wiz here in NYC and I saw in their
discount CD rack several 101 strings CDs ($5.98 ea) that were issued on an
unknown Canadian label. One of these has two of the Baxter compositions
from Million Seller Hits, Girl On the Boulevard and Lady Love.

Best regards,
Scott


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From: [e-mail] (Henrik Engstroem)
Subject: Re: exotica in Japan??
Date: 18 Sep 1996 19:20:38 +0100

I can't believe noone replied to this yet. Maybe, like in my own case, you
didn't have the time yet. But here's what little I have to offer:

>Does anyone have any information if there is anything happening in Tokyo??

=46orgive me, but "anything happening in Tokyo"-questions seem vague. Why,
it's the capitol of Japan we're talking about! A country which inhabits the
coolest record buying public in the whole world. If there's certain record
you've been looking for - no matter what genre - you'll find it reissued on
a label in Japan. The only trouble is that the yen makes CDs so darn
expensive. So bring loads of money, anyways that's what my friends return
to say on their trips eastwards.

>I am most interested in exploring DJing there on a trip that I will be
>making this fall...  Thanx.

I haven't read all of it yet, but the August edition of Raygun is a Japan
special. Maybe you can find something to guide you in there. It will tell
you of some hip magazines to get anyway. That'll be a start.


Ah Japan.

I'm going there. Some day. Somewhere over the rainbow. Or lines to that effe=
ct.

Happy holidays,
Henrik


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From: Irwin Chusid <[e-mail]>
Subject: Dumb Beatle Covers
Date: 18 Sep 1996 15:52:05 -0400 (EDT)



I'm writing liner notes to Rhino's GOLDEN THROATS VOL. 4: CELEBRITIES
BUTCHER THE BEATLES. Along with the 16 or so tracks on the CD, I'm
including a brief discography of additional absurd Beatle covers by
celebs. Any suggestions?

I need: 1) song title; 2) artist; 3) label.

No need to post to the exotica list; you can post directly to:
[e-mail]

Album will include:
Geo. Burns: With A Little Help From My Friends
Joel Grey: She's Leaving Home
Shatner: Lucy in the Sky
Xaviera Hollander: Michelle
Theo. Bikel: Piggies
Jan & Dean: Norwegian Wood
Noel Harrison: She's a Woman
Bing Crosby: Hey Jude
Maurice Chevalier: Yellow Submarine (in French!)
Claudine Longet: Jealous Guy/Don't Let Me Down
Alan Copeland Singers: Norwegian Wood/Mission Impossible Theme
Bros. Four: Revolution
Tenn. Ernie Ford: Let It Be
Geo. Maharis: Hard Day's Night
Joe Pesci: Got To Get You Into My Life*
Mae West: Day Tripper*
Telly Savalas: Someting*

* might get dropped; have not been licensed yet

Others I know about:
Alan Thicke: Ob-La-Di Ob-La-Da
Anita Kerr Singers: All You Need Is Love
Bill Cosby: Sgt. Pepper's Lonely.....
Cathy Berberian: Ticket to Ride
Chevy "Chipmunk" Chase: Let It Be
Gabor Szabo: A Day in the Life
James Darren: Hello Goodbye
Jon Davidson: Ob-La-Di....
Kate Smith: Here There & Everywhere
Lena Horne: Rocky Raccoon
Louis Armstrong: Rocky Raccoon / Give Peace a Chance
Milton Berle: Yellow Submarine
Mitch Miller: Give Peace a Chance
Natalie Cole: Lucy in the Sky
Odetta; Strawberry Fields
Percy Faith: Ballad of John & Yoko
Rod McKuen: Across the Universe
Sarah Vaughn: Something
Hollyridge Strings: I Am the Walrus
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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Friends of Caribbean Moonlite
Date: 18 Sep 1996 15:59:26 -0400

>Carribbean Moonlight LP has that lushy-gushy version of Taboo as well. I do
like that quite a bit.
>
>dave, a Roo wet

[ Just baiting YOU, ya sap! ;) ]

On the back of the Carib. Moonlight I'm offing, some gal has writ that the
front's the "most romantic" picture she's ever seen, and her boyfriend has
responded "yuk" or something. That's what you need, Dave, homemade liner
notes, far in advance of the Exotica list.

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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Twist Goes Latin!
Date: 18 Sep 1996 16:18:51 -0400

>kevin king wrote:

>Been playing Prado's Twist Goes Latin

You have the hipster's Holy Grail! So many have searched long and far for
this one, a classic in the King of Genres (Latin Twist LPs). For me the
standout (and surprise) is Cherry Pink, which in stereo has some very raw
organ soloing in one channel for a while, then hanging out in the other
channel. High concept at high speed.

You just can't stop twisting, right over to the hors d'euvre table for one
more nachip. There's lots more Prado twist stuff here and yon, as well as
Latin twist LPs, but this is one for the desert island, along with Trout
Mask Replica and Ritual of the Savage.

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From: "Robbie Baldock" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Three Suns reissues
Date: 18 Sep 1996 21:41:39 +0000

Me again -

The simply fabulous Jill Mingo gave me a tape of the 'Suns "Fever &
Smoke" and "Fun in the Sun" last night at our joint club "Space
Safari" [plug plug] and I must say that apart from being utterly
gobsmacked by every single darned track(!) the one question which rang
loud and clear in my mind was - of *all* the Suns LPs that RCA could
have reissued in their Living Stereo series WHY OH WHY OH WHY did
they choose the really quite bland "Twilight Memories"?!?!?

I know we should be grateful that any of this stuff is coming out on
CD - I just hope that they have the sense to continue the reissue program
and get "Fever & Smoke" and "Fun in the Sun" out NEXT!  (though I
think this is pretty unlikely as two of the weaker tracks from F&S appear
as bonus tracks on the Twilight CD...)


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From: "Robbie Baldock" <[e-mail]>
Subject: New CD: Off the Beaten Track
Date: 18 Sep 1996 21:41:39 +0000

Hi all -

Just thought I'd let you know about a new CD by Mick Talbot and Steve
White (ex-Style Council/Galliano/Acid Jazz/Paul Weller) called "Off the
Beaten Track".  If you like 60s Blue Note organ phasing in and out of
funky 70s cop-show/spy-movie themes with killer drumming and wah-wah
Wurlitzter electric piano(!) - you really should buy it!  Not all
tracks quite come up to scratch but the title track alone easily
compensates for any low points!  Wild, man.


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From: "Robbie Baldock" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Super Stereo Sound Sampler
Date: 18 Sep 1996 21:41:39 +0000

And one last thing...

I have the above Mercury sampler and it has one or two crackers on
it which I'd like to know more about:

One track is Jim Sullivan's "Tallyman" from the LP 'Sitar Beat' -
does anyone have this?  The track is pretty good and I wonder what
the rest of the LP is like...

Another track is one of the freakiest and scariest things I've heard
- Michel Legrand's "Orange Blossom Special".  Yes, I know, Michel
Legrand isn't normally thought of scary(!) but this has wild screams
and screeching strings throughout and is just plain b*i*z*a*r*r*e...  It's
from 'Violent Violins'(!) and I wonder if anyone has *that*?!

Other artists on the comp include Pete Rugolo, Mystic Moods Orch,
Quincy Jones and Xavier Cugat - so you can imagine it's a nice comp!


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From: Will Straw <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Super Stereo Sound Sampler
Date: 18 Sep 1996 16:57:47 -0400

I have the Michel Legrand album "Archi-cordes", which has Orange
Blossom Special.  I'm wondering if this is the French title for the
"Violent Violins" album -- it's a string-dominated album, like the John
Barry thing.  It also has Di-Gue-Ding-Ding, Noix de Coco, Come Ray
and Come Charles, Hi Girls, Manhattan Stroll, Alcatraz, etc.  I like it a
lot; it's one of the records I keep in my office and play a lot.

Will

At 21:41 96-09-18 +0000, you wrote:
>And one last thing...
>
>I have the above Mercury sampler and it has one or two crackers on
>it which I'd like to know more about:
>
>One track is Jim Sullivan's "Tallyman" from the LP 'Sitar Beat' -
>does anyone have this?  The track is pretty good and I wonder what
>the rest of the LP is like...
>
>Another track is one of the freakiest and scariest things I've heard
>- Michel Legrand's "Orange Blossom Special".  Yes, I know, Michel
>Legrand isn't normally thought of scary(!) but this has wild screams
>and screeching strings throughout and is just plain b*i*z*a*r*r*e...  It's
>from 'Violent Violins'(!) and I wonder if anyone has *that*?!
>
>Other artists on the comp include Pete Rugolo, Mystic Moods Orch,
>Quincy Jones and Xavier Cugat - so you can imagine it's a nice comp!
>
>
>Robbie
>
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From: Grant China <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Ultra Lounge Vol 9 (long)
Date: 18 Sep 1996 11:15:34 -1000

At 06:57 PM 9/17/96 -1000, Jack Diamond wrote:
>>Well, I just picked up volume 9 of the Ultra-Lounge series, "Cha Cha De
>>Amor".  Has anybody else noticed that the picture on the inside back cover
>>is *almost* the exact same as the cover of George Shearing's "Latin Lace" LP
>>but not quite the same ?
>
>Grant,
>
>Do you like the music or what ? ;))  Is it worth the 15 bucks you plopped down?

Is any CD worth $15?  Recently I've been avoiding buying any CD over $12.
As Josef Stalin observed, "Quantity has a quality all its own."  What pushed
me over the edge on this purchase was Dean Martin's "Cha Cha Cha d'Amour",
which I already owned on LP.  Unfortunately, LPs don't fit very well into
the CDROM drive in my PC at work.

Anyway, enough off-topic editorializing and on to the music review!  First
of all, "Cha Cha De Amor" is not my favorite in the Ultra-Lounge series but
it most definitely has its moments.  The theme just doesn't seem to hold
together as well as it should.  Also, on several cuts they spliced together
two or more completely unrelated songs.  Each of the songs that they used
are good and this practice doesn't particularly bother me again there wasn't
any theme to it.  How does "Dark Eyes" segue into "It Happened In Monterey"
or "Bei Mir Bist Du Schon" segue into "La Furiosa"?

Since the album does tend to wander around a bit, here's my commentary on
individual cuts (in rough order):

Dean Martin's vocals on "Sway" and "Cha Cha Cha d'Amour" are way cool but
Dino always is.  Ditto for Julie London's "Sway"

Laurindo Almeida's 2 cuts, "Recado Bossa Nova" and "Desafinado", seemed much
a bit too laid-back and loungish for this collection.

I found the vocals on George Auld's "You're My Thrill" rather irritating.

Martin Denny's "Carioca" was OK but for a really hot recording of "Carioca"
try to find the Woody Herman/Tito Puente collaboration "Herman's Heat,
Puente's Beat".

Les Baxter's "Whatever Lola Wants" didn't intrigue me very much.

I really dug "It Happened In Monterey" by 80 Drums Around The World.  Ditto
for Yma Sumac's "Gopher Mambo".

Tito Rodriguez's "The Magnificent Seven" is *magnificent*.

The Rinky Dinks' "Choo Choo Cha Cha" is more than a bit corny but it's got a
good beat.

Billy May's "So Nice" is in fact nice but I would rather listen to Walter
Wanderly's "So Nice" or even better Walter Wanderly with Astrud Gilberto
doing vocals.

There are two unlisted tracks at the end of the CD.  One is by that cheezy
frenchman who does "Walk The Lonesome" at the end of "The Crime Scene"
Ultra-Lounge CD.  "Walk The Lonesome" has a very appropriate "night in the
tawdry city" feel but his cut on "Cha Cha De Amor" is just plain annoying.
On the flip side, though, the final unlisted track is too cool for words.
It sounds like the first cut off a "How To Play The Bongo" album and the
teacher is Mr. Bongo himself - Jack Constanzo!


Aloha,
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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: Cataloging secrets
Date: 18 Sep 1996 17:30:38 -0400

I don't buy this "everything's exotica" business. Here are just a few of the
top levels in a compulsive but necessary record organization:

EXOTIC POP
        Africa (and African diaspora, e.g., Haitian)
        Belly [Dance] (Turkish, Arab, etc.)
        Brazil (ala Carmen "Rumba Queen" Miranda)
                Bossa Nova
                Samba
        Calypso (incl. early ska & "regay")
                Limbo
        Exotica (strict definition, ala Baxter, Denny, Lyman)
                Abstract female vocals (ala Sumac)
        Exotic Band (big band exotica)
        Exotic Cocktail (slow stuff)
        Exotic Rock (heavy stuff, much Latin Twist)
        Hawaiian (ala Hal Aloma)
        India (filmi)
        Latin (Cuban: includes all types, Rumba, etc.)
                Afro-Cuban
                Brass (ala Herb Alpert)
                Cha Cha Cha (only)
                Latin Twist
                Mambo
                Pachanga-Charanga
                Yiddish/Jewish Latin
        Mediterranean
                France
                Greece
                Israel
                Italy
                Portugal
                Spain
        SE Asia:
                China
                India
                Japan
        Tahitian

SPACE-AGE POP
        Big Band
        Cocktail (soft jazz minus strings)
        Covers
                Good
                Horrid
        Cheese (ala Heino, Mickey Katz)
        Guitar
                Mod (Big Beat, ala Claus Ogerman)
                Mod Cocktail (slow)
        Hot Rod
                Biker
        Jazz (ala Ornette, Sun Ra, Roland Kirk, Guaraldi, Blackbyrds)
        Moog
                Experimental Electronic
        Organ
        SAP (Space-Age Pop, ala Esquivel, Three Suns, Bob Thompson)
                Accordion
                Instruments, miscellaneous strange
        Sitar
        Spoken (ala Ken Nordine)
        Spy (Eye, crime jazz)
        Strings
        Surf
        Theremin
        Torch (Ladies, ala Eartha Kitt, India Adams)
        Truck Driver
        Twist (Dance Rock, incl. watusi, ska, frug, etc.)

Five or more like records merits a section, so many artists have their own
subsections. There are indeed more than five "Yiddish-Latin" records (a
gratuitous category, but I dig it). Other sections for such as
garage/psyche, soul, rock, hippie, funk, punk, and other later junk.

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From: [e-mail] (Jack Fetterman)
Subject: Re: Twist Goes Latin!
Date: 18 Sep 1996 21:42:41 GMT


>Latin twist LPs, but this is one for the desert island, along with Trout
>Mask Replica and Ritual of the Savage.


i added trout mask replica to a very like-minded list of desert island
specials when i was fourteen. i had to hide my copy under my shirts in my
bureau when my parents would go through their frank zappa (and related)
prevention raids.

as much as i go for "twist goes latin" (spin it quite often at bar d'o,
btw) i would vote for havanah 3 am as the ultimate prad lp.

jack

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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: Mr. Chusid's correct address
Date: 18 Sep 1996 17:47:58 -0400

At 03:52 PM 9/18/96 -0400, you wrote:
>
>No need to post to the exotica list; you can post directly to:
>[e-mail]

Surely you mean: [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Jack Fetterman)
Subject: Re: Magoo in Hi-Fi
Date: 18 Sep 1996 21:51:32 GMT

i just picked up an amzing cd, dennis farnon's "mother magoo suite."

the mother magoo suite was originally the flip side of mr. magoo in hi-fi
(i can't stop raving about this childhood influence.)

on this cd, the metropole orchestra tracked down dennis farnon, and with
the original score, faithfully reperformed the mother magoo suite.

unfortunately, this was the last copy at footlight records on sunday, but
it is worth tracking down. i highly recommend it!

jack

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From: Will Straw <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Ultra Lounge Vol 9 (long)
Date: 18 Sep 1996 17:59:34 -0400

It`s interesting that most of the Ultra-Lounge series are being
sold by Sam's, one of the largest record retail chains in Canada,
at $9.99.  That's just a little over $7 US.  One more confirmation that we
have the
cheapest Cd prices in the world, as far as I can tell.

Will
Will Straw
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Director, The Centre for Research on Canadian Cultural Industries and
Institutions
McGill University
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From: garfinkel robby <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: exotica in Japan??
Date: 18 Sep 1996 18:05:57 -0400 (EDT)



    As far as prices go, when I was in Tokyo last January, the
standard for CDs was $25 (2500 yen). Honestly, I didn't see much vinyl,
but I only got a chance to check out Tower Records and HMV (yawn for
both) in Ikebukuro.  Regardless, expect to pay beyond top dollar for
vinyl/CDs.

    In fact, expect to pay hefy prices for everything... for example,
we (my girlfriend, her sister, and myself) went to a club in Rappongi
(which is quite international cause its the trendy/business disctrict)
called Orange. Just to get in, $40 PER person! Then, it was anywhere from
$10 - $25 a drink. I had a Gin (sapphire) and tonic, $10. My girlfriend
had a Cosmpolitan, $15.

    Have fun!


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From: garfinkel robby <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Cataloging secrets
Date: 18 Sep 1996 18:36:18 -0400 (EDT)



>There are indeed more than five "Yiddish-Latin" records (a
> gratuitous category, but I dig it).


     The only one I've run across so far has been "Bagels and Bongos".
It's not all that great, but the title alone was worth the buck.

    Robby



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From: garfinkel robby <[e-mail]>
Subject: Tito Puente & Philadelphia
Date: 18 Sep 1996 18:42:49 -0400 (EDT)



    Tito and his All Star Latin-jazz Ensemble will be at the Keswick
Theatre in a suburb of Philadelphia, on Oct 4th. Tix are $25 (ouch).  I
don't have much more info on it.

    Also, tomorrow in Philly, at Silk City Lounge (5th and Spring
Garden), is something called "The Return of the Tiki Lounge". I don't know
if it's good or not, but I am going to take the trip 90mins from Baltimore
to check it out. My family is in Philly, so its not a big deal to check it
out, and stay a few days. Has anyone here attended this event before?


    -R



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Combustible San Fran review
Date: 18 Sep 1996 18:50:30 -0400

In a message dated 96-09-18 00:55:35 EDT, you write:

<< my own zine Tiki News. >>
sorry if this is redundant, but how do i find Tiki News? and Lounge?

Preguntando,
Maravillo

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Ultra-Lounge query (no flames involved)
Date: 18 Sep 1996 18:50:36 -0400

In a message dated 96-09-17 01:53:05 EDT, you write:

<<  There's a magazine of cool
 retro-smut called TEASE (featuring good girl art ala Petty and Vargas, and
 modern pin-ups etc.  The last issue had a great centerfold of Poison Ivy of
 the Cramps at their own Tiki Bar).   >>

But first, where do I find TEASE?!

ecstatico,
Maravillo

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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Twist Goes Latin! ultimate Prez
Date: 18 Sep 1996 18:55:23 -0400

>would vote for havanah 3 am as the ultimate prad lp
>jack

"El Unico" is a great import (c. 1972 or so I'm hazarding), wherein Prado
does a 7-min or so estereo version of Tequila in bottom-heavy, primoridial
FUNK style. You'd never recognize it until Prado switches to the
Champs-esque tempo for a bar at the end. Plus twists. El Ultimato.

"Our Man in Latin America" has some Cuban son (twisty) stuff and is muy
autentico, considering. Also "Exotic Suite [of the Americas]" has brilliant
twisty filler on side 2. There is a remix of "Big Hits" (Camden "Best of" I
think) which is much better sounding. And "This Is Perez Prado" is a
near-comprehensive double LP including his odd "Caravan."

"Havana 3am" evidently broke the doors down so that other [Cugatish] types
could explore Latin authenticity. And wudda jacket! I gotta have that
post-3am, up-front organ in stereo, though, Jack. Just gotta have it.

Ultimate "Pradomania"-esque tribute: Francis Bay's remake of "Paris."
Voulez-vous promenade? Ooh la la. In deadpan non-accent.

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From: Pea Hicks <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Greetings to All
Date: 18 Sep 1996 16:04:06 -0700

I have a couple of 101 Strings albums that are worth having-

101 Strings Swing With Hammond Organ
and
101 Strings Presents The Sounds Of Today

the former has some amazing hammond stuff on it (and some gutsy string
section work from the 101 for a change) and the latter has lots of sitar
(!) on it.
Pea Hicks

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From: Pea Hicks <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Dumb Beatle Covers
Date: 18 Sep 1996 16:16:45 -0700

Where to start?!!
Who counts as a "famous person?"
It seems like everyone had dumb Beatles covers in the late 60's & early
70's. Enoch Light had some good ones. I especially liked Tony Mottola's
verion of "With A Little Help From My Friends" on his "Warm, Wild and
Wonderful" LP. That's just the tip of the iceberg though.
BTW- which album was that Claudine Longet Beatles track on?
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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Cream of Cheese & Bongos
Date: 18 Sep 1996 19:41:44 -0400

>The only one I've run across so far has been "Bagels and Bongos".

There's also "More Bagels in Bongos," "Pizza and Bongos," and "Bikinis and
Bongos." Irving Fields Trio is a yawn, you're right.

And perhaps, as Pee Wee would say, "Bongos and Bongos."

For lox more fun, add to your want list:

"Bei Mir Twist du Schoen" by the so-called Temples (studio men on a lark),
one of the most revved-up twist LPs ever. Maximum recommendation.

"Al Tijuana's Jewish Brass," an antidote for the excessive Herb Alpert fan
in your life. The humor potential of "Waikiki Brass Visit Tijuana" realized.

Anything by Unsung Superstar Mickey Katz, ex- Spike Jones Band, who is
amazingly funny and musical and all that. My extra, coveted "Most Mishige"
lp MUST go to a good home only.

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From: "Robbie Baldock" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Music for White Folks
Date: 19 Sep 1996 01:43:57 +0000


>>That's correct. The face was changed because a Capitol exec thought
>>that it was "too ethnic", so a white womans face was inserted.
>
>Ooohh that ruffles my feathers, unfortunatly I'm sure there were a lot
>of "these" types of decisions that went on or are going on.   We are
>either working for, or consumers of "the man."

And of course then we have the music itself!  How about this cracking
quote from the Three Suns' "High Fi and Wide":-

"Neither Hindustan nor Song of India, however, bear any great
resemblance to authentic Indian music, although both are much more
pleasing to Western ears than the dissonances of Indian music." (!)
(Richard Joseph, RCA)

I guess this lies at the root of a lot of Exotica - what the "white
man" thought these places "sounded" like...

I detect another thread starting!


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From: Joe Kilmartin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Cataloging secrets
Date: 18 Sep 1996 23:29:28 -0400

At 05:30 PM 18/09/1996 -0400, you wrote:
>I don't buy this "everything's exotica" business. Here are just a few of the
>top levels in a compulsive but necessary record organization:
>
>EXOTIC POP
>        Africa (and African diaspora, e.g., Haitian)
>        Belly [Dance] (Turkish, Arab, etc.)
>        Brazil (ala Carmen "Rumba Queen" Miranda)
>                Bossa Nova
>                Samba
>        Calypso (incl. early ska & "regay")
>                Limbo
>        Exotica (strict definition, ala Baxter, Denny, Lyman)
>                Abstract female vocals (ala Sumac)
>        Exotic Band (big band exotica)
>        Exotic Cocktail (slow stuff)
>        Exotic Rock (heavy stuff, much Latin Twist)
>        Hawaiian (ala Hal Aloma)
>        India (filmi)
>        Latin (Cuban: includes all types, Rumba, etc.)
>                Afro-Cuban
>                Brass (ala Herb Alpert)
>                Cha Cha Cha (only)
>                Latin Twist
>                Mambo
>                Pachanga-Charanga
>                Yiddish/Jewish Latin
>        Mediterranean
>                France
>                Greece
>                Israel
>                Italy
>                Portugal
>                Spain
>        SE Asia:
>                China
>                India
>                Japan
>        Tahitian
>
>SPACE-AGE POP
>        Big Band
>        Cocktail (soft jazz minus strings)
>        Covers
>                Good
>                Horrid
>        Cheese (ala Heino, Mickey Katz)
>        Guitar
>                Mod (Big Beat, ala Claus Ogerman)
>                Mod Cocktail (slow)
>        Hot Rod
>                Biker
>        Jazz (ala Ornette, Sun Ra, Roland Kirk, Guaraldi, Blackbyrds)
>        Moog
>                Experimental Electronic
>        Organ
>        SAP (Space-Age Pop, ala Esquivel, Three Suns, Bob Thompson)
>                Accordion
>                Instruments, miscellaneous strange
>        Sitar
>        Spoken (ala Ken Nordine)
>        Spy (Eye, crime jazz)
>        Strings
>        Surf
>        Theremin
>        Torch (Ladies, ala Eartha Kitt, India Adams)
>        Truck Driver
>        Twist (Dance Rock, incl. watusi, ska, frug, etc.)


Call me crazy,and there may be a lot of different interpretations as to what
-belongs-where here, but isn't this inches away from the beginning of a good
FAQ?  Thanks Tony!!





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From: [e-mail] (Thom S. Heileson)
Subject: Combustible Edison
Date: 18 Sep 1996 20:58:41 -0700

>From: "Chrysler Mighuel Stewart" <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: Combustible Edison: Solid Show
>
>I thought
>that I'd be able to spend my birthday in this magnificent Crocodile "Cafe."
>I called and called, and had the time and address and price and everything-
>Then- THEN! (What Nerve!) They have the _gall_ to tell me that the Dive is
>21 and over- card at the door! Ha! Some Cafe! So! I missed that as well.

My sincerest condolences, Mighuel. I hate to rub it in but as mentioned it
was of
course a swell show. Times like this I get religious about lowering the US
drinking age.

>        I feel fortunate, however because I did get to see Combustible Edison
>play
>at Bumbershoot in Seattle not to weeks ago. It was great, mind you, but
>they were kind of hurried because they had to clear the stage for a "real"
>band: Mudhoney (Boooo!) And and Miss Lily Banquette seemed kind of ill or
>maybe just shy (although It was really cool to see her play drums, and of
>course, our own Brother Cleve was on keyboards!) I just knew that they were
>leaving out a great deal of numbers, and the show would be far improved at
>the Crocodile...

I was initially saddened to have missed the B-shoot show (originally
planned to go to
both shows) because of my sig.other's illness; I'm still saddened but less
so after
hearing the Millionaire's "hockey rink" comments about the venue. (Is it
indeed a
hockey rink?) I knew before B-shoot that it would be a quite incongruous
place to see
CombEd. Hell, that "arts festival" can make seeing even a good rock band (i.e.
Medicine last year) a lousy experience!

Erm, not to say that it would have made seeing CE "lousy"... youknowwhatImean...
(backpedaling quickly [as well as feeling slightly self-conscious about my
hasty review I
posted the other day] now that I just became aware Br.Cleve is on the list...!)

Anyway, why did they put CE on what they called the "Rock Stage"?? (Out of
like 12
stages...)

Both the last CE show at the Crocodile and the one before were utterly
excellent, but I
must say I enjoyed the ambience of the more recent one more because of the
set-up:
the presence of candlelit loungey tables at front & center (my party
zealously took the
frontest and centerest one available) with space for standing/dancing
behind provided
for an excellent evening-with environment. In contrast to the sardinesque
standing
room only set-up the time before. I was actually curious during the show
(and now I can
ask!): Cleve, did CE have anything to do with this arrangement (i.e. do
they request a
certain layout for the audience)?

Fawningly yours,

          +  ---                           Thom S. Heileson
         + + -        _oR_
          +  -

c.c.SVP: [e-mail]

PS Chain-smoking Sobraine Black Russians all weekend long, as cool as they may
make you look at cocktailish concerts, make your lungs _really_ hurt on Monday
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From: [e-mail] (jordana)
Subject: WKPS - Jet Set Sounds In Hi-Fi playlists
Date: 18 Sep 1996 22:50:20 -0400

The following are the most recent two playlists for Jet Set Sounds In Hi-Fi
on WKPS, Penn State Student Radio.  As you'll see, what we play includes
lounge, exotica, SABPM, easy listening, etc.  If you have any questions
related to the show, please email me at [e-mail] or call me at the
station.  My office hours are Fridays from noon to 1 p.m., and the office
phone is [phone].  (I'm also in charge of a trip
hop/noise/ambient/experimental mixing show called the Chemistry Set and I
can also answer questions about that.  Its playlists are also available by
email).


9/7/96  DJ: Jordana
comments: The Yma Sumac set at the end was for my mom's birthday.  All the
songs were played from a Right Stuff reissue sampler or various Ultra Lounge
comps.  And in case you couldn't tell, a package from Capitol arrived this week.

Nelson Riddle - Volare - Saxophobia (Capitol)
The 3 Suns - Autumn Nocturne - Soft and Sweet
Nelson Riddle & His Orch - C'est Magnifique - Bachelor In Paris (Capitol)
Hollyridge Strings - And I Love Her - Best of the Beatles Songbook (Varese)
Enoch Light & His Orch - Dream Lover - Discotheque (Command)
Lee Bounds - Holiday Express - The Poor Richard Inn Presents the Sounds of
Lee Bounds
Joe Bucci Trio - Li'l Darlin' - Organs In Orbit (Capitol)
Denny McLain - Girl From Ipanema/Meditation -  Organs In Orbit (Capitol)
Laugh-In Cast - Cocktail Party - soundtrack: Laugh-In
Mongo Santamaria - Ricky Tick - La Bamba
Wayne Newton - Danke Shoen - Wild Cool & Swinging (Capitol)
Myrtle K. Hilo - Lover's Prayer - Incredibly Strange Music vol 2 (Asphodel)
Dean Martin - Just In Time - That's Amore [Best of] (Capitol)
Quincy Jones - Wheelin' and Dealin' - soundtrack: For Love of Ivy (ABC)
Les Baxter - Blue Jungle - Exotic Moods of Les Baxter (Capitol)
Earle Hagen - I Spy Theme - TV's Greatest Hits vol 2 (TVT)
Elmer Bernstein - Staccato's Theme - The Crime Scene (Capitol)
Henry Mancini - Hubcaps & Taillights - soundtrack: Breakfast at Tiffany's
Milt Buckner - The Beast - Bachelor Pad Royale (Capitol)
? - Love Is All Around - TV's Greatest Hits vol 2 (TVT)
Astrud Gilberto - Take It Easy My Brother Charlie - Now (Perception)
Claudine Longet - Hurry On Down - Colours
Les Baxter - The Left Arm of the Buddha - Exotic Moods of Les Baxter (Capitol)
Ron Frangipane & Orch - La La La (If I Had You) - Rated X For Excitement
(Mainstream)
Terry Baxter - Impossible Dream - Best of 68
Vampires Sound Incorp - The Lions and the Cucumber - Vampyros Lesbos (Motel)
Synthesonic Sounds - House of the Rising Sun - Easy Project (Sequel)
the Moog Cookbook - Black Hole Sun - Moog Cookbook (Restless)
Johnny Keating - Jesus Christ Superstar - The Sound Gallery (Scamp)
Yma Sumac - Xtabay, Jivaro, Gopher Mambo, Kuyawa, Virgenes Del Sol, Taki Rari



9/15/96   DJ = Jason
comments: Next week should have almost all original records, or at the very
least, not so damn many compilations.  Neither this week or last week's show
we be one of the tapes I'll send to people.
Les Baxter - Tahiti - Exotic Moods of... (Capitol)
Tak Shindo - Bali Ha'i - Mondo Exotica (Capitol)
Yma Sumac - Kuyawa - Sampler Exotica (Right Stuff)
Cuy Reyes - Oink Oink Mambo - Mambo Fever (Capitol)
Esquivel - Guanacoa - Cabaret Manana (RCA)
Walter Wanderly - Rainy Day - Samba Swing (Scamp)
Desi Arnaz - I'll Take the Rhumba - Babalu (RCA)
New Dimensions - Cat on a Hot Foam Board - Cowabunga Box Set (Rhino)
Ventures - Walk, Don't Run '64 - Cowabunga Box Set (Rhino)
Dick Dale - King of the Surf Guitar - Cowabunga Box Set (Rhino)
Fender IV - Malibu Run - Cowabunga Box Set (Rhino)
Denny McLain - Girl From Ipanema - Organs In Orbit (Capitol)
Enoch Light - Whatever Lola Wants - Persuasive Percussion (Varese)
Spike Jones - Harlem Nocturne - Crime Scene (Capitol)
101 Strings - Disappointed Love With A Desensitized Robot - Astro Sounds...
(Scamp)
Roy Budd - Plaything - Sound Spectrum (Sequel)
Les Reed - On The Scene - Easy Project (Sequel)
Billy May - This Room is My Castle of Quiet - Space Capades    Capitol)
Arthur Lyman - Taboo - Shaken Not Stirred (HiFi/Rykodisc)
Eden Ahbez - Banana Bay - Eden's Island (Del-Fi)
Dean Martin - You're Nobody Till Somebody Loves You - Capitol Years (Capitol)
Frank Sinatra - To Love and Be Loved - Sings the Select... (Capitol)
Andy Williams - Canadian Sunset - I Like Your Kind of Love (Varese)
Sounds Orchestral - Moonshot - Loungecore Experience (Sequel)
Alan Hankshaw - Night Rider - Sound Gallery (Scamp)
Paraffin Jack Flash - Blue 'n' Groovy - Easy Project (Sequel)
Dick Schory - Ding Dong Polka - Music for Bang Baroom and Harp (Classic reissue)
Steve Allen - This Could Be The Start of Something - Plays Hi-Fi Music for
Influentials (Varese)
Sammy Davis, Jr. - Be-Bop the Beguine - Swinging Singles (Rhino)
Julie London - Black Coffee - Bachelor Pad Royale (Capitol)
Ella Fitzgerald & Louis Armstrong - A Fine Romance - Swinging Singles (Rhino)
Mel Torme - Coming Home Baby - Martini Madness (Rhino)
Henry Mancini - Loose Caboose - Breakfast At Tiffany's (RCA)
Surf Mariachis - Undertow - Big Surf Hits (Del-Fi)
Bob Ridgley - Way Out Mummy - Lost Treasures (Del-Fi)

Thanks.
_____________________
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From: Lelia Ellen Raley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: FRIENDS OF DEAN/MINSTRELS
Date: 18 Sep 1996 10:55:30 -0400 (EDT)

"Sway with me"?  Perhaps you mean the Ol' Blue Eyes standard "Come Fly
With Me"?

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From: [e-mail] (Jack Fetterman)
Subject: Re: Ultra-Lounge query (no flames involved)
Date: 18 Sep 1996 18:08:00 GMT

i haven't seen the cha cha cover yet (heard the music was not good,
however), but according to preston peek's article on "cheesecake album
covers," the original shearing cover had the face of a model different from
the body also. maybe they put the right head back on the original body.

is preston out there to comment?

jack

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From: [e-mail] (Daniel Taub)
Subject: Home Base commercials...
Date: 18 Sep 1996 22:31:22 -0700

Anyone heard those commercials on radio and TV for Home Base? They always
have a little narration like, "Need new plumbing? Quick? Go to the
Base...Home Base." Right when the narrator says "Go to...," the music
starts up. It's pretty exotica sounding (reminiscient of the music on the
first Ultra Lounge disc). Anyone know if this is a real exotica song
(rather than something written for the commercials)? It sounds vaguely
familiar. If so, what is it?

Thanks for the help!
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From: [e-mail] (ANITA SERWACKI)
Subject: Re: Dora Hall (was Re: Back from vacation)
Date: 18 Sep 1996 10:52:10 -0400

On 9/17/96 8:58 PM Peter Ledebur wrote:


>       Dora Hall -- Presents 12 Nationwide Chart Toppers -- Rainbeau
>           (if the sleeve is any indication, this one may wind up somewhere in
>       Mrs. Miller territory)

Gotta put my 2 cents in.  In the world of "so bad it's entertaining",
Dora does not dissappoint.  Mentioned by Jello in ISM2, she was
(and is?) the lunatic heir to the Solo Cup fortune who wizzed all
her money away trying to make herself a singing star.  But she couldn't
carry a note if her life depended on it.  And often the backing vocals
are cranked up in an attempt to conceal this fact. I've got 2 of her
albums and was lucky enough to score one of her "Secret Sleuth" video
tapes at a Sal. Army a few years back.  These were little musical
comedy videos starring Dora which you could get by mailing in Solo Cup
proofs of purchase.  The one I have co-stars Scatman Crothers (?!).
Brilliant.  Almost Krofft Bros. in the production value department.

Anita
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From: Bruce Rhodewalt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Music for White Folks
Date: 19 Sep 1996 06:07:04 -0700

Robbie Baldock wrote:
>...
>
> "Neither Hindustan nor Song of India, however, bear any great
> resemblance to authentic Indian music, although both are much more
> pleasing to Western ears than the dissonances of Indian music." (!)
> (Richard Joseph, RCA)
>
> I guess this lies at the root of a lot of Exotica - what the "white
> man" thought these places "sounded" like...

Is this surprising?  Start with the very roots of Exotica -- Baxter and
Denny.  _This_ conjured up steamy tropical jungles for millions of
suburbans, without sounding anything like the indigenous music.  How
many recordings of Tahitian music were sold during the Post-WWII South
Pacific craze?

Music doesn't have to "accurately" depict anything in order to express
something.

Bruce Rhodewalt
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Now I get it.
Date: 18 Sep 1996 17:10:03 -0400

     >> For you Spinal Tap fans I found an RCA release by Four Jacks & a
     Jill, = >> "Fables,"  from 1968. Who knew?


     Yes, that is an obscure reference, but My-Tee Fine!

     From This is Spinal Tap>>  (dialogue deleted)

     Yes, that is obscure and quite good.

     Craig

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Mel Torme
Date: 19 Sep 1996 09:37 CST


NPR just announced that Mel Torme is back in the hospital with a "problem not
related to his stroke".  They didn't give any more info.

Kathy Ramsey

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re[2]: Cream of Cheese & Bongos
Date: 19 Sep 1996 09:35 CST


>>The only one I've run across so far has been "Bagels and Bongos".

>There's also "More Bagels in Bongos," "Pizza and Bongos," and "Bikinis and
>Bongos." Irving Fields Trio is a yawn, you're right.

My friend Carol owns "Champagne and Bongos".

Kathy Ramsey

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From: "Laura Taylor" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: FRIENDS OF DEAN/MINSTRE
Date: 19 Sep 1996 11:14:08 -0400

                      RE>>FRIENDS OF DEAN/MINSTRELS                9/19/96

uh, no...it was POSITIVELY "sway"-suckah

"Sway with me"?  Perhaps you mean the Ol' Blue Eyes standard "Come Fly
With Me"?

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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Cataloging revised
Date: 19 Sep 1996 11:27:51 -0400

>>      Mod (Big Beat, ala Claus Ogerman)
>>      Mod Cocktail (slow)

These two were supposed to be major categories (Mod is important, the more
so bc it hasn't been pegged down by anyone else I know of). It was called
"big beat" and, with other things, "au go go" as well as "jet set" music in
its heyday, but I think we're safely passed Quadrophenia now to describe the
horn riff and electric bass sound as "mod." Think high sixties, miniskirts,
white ragtops in spy movies, beach parties, and the Mod Squad. Buried by the
Beatles and that war thing.

>Call me crazy,and there may be a lot of different interpretations as to what
>-belongs-where here, but isn't this inches away from the beginning of a good
>FAQ?  Thanks Tony!!

Thank you. Record sharing is the goal, anal retention is the weapon. I'll be
doing what I can to help Brad Bigelow and his Exotica Standards, as I hope a
few others of an obsessedly completist nature (those who automatically
assume every artist made at least 40 records) will. As with a previous post
on the "strict definition" of exotica, I hope soon to shed light on calypso
and other unsung idioms before going into any "real" depth. My real point
was: if it ain't "foreign" (non-North American or European), it ain't
exotic. Does that make Wayne King "exotic" in Japan?

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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Music for White Folks
Date: 19 Sep 1996 11:40:09 -0400

>I guess this lies at the root of a lot of Exotica - what the "white
>man" thought these places "sounded" like...
>
>I detect another thread starting!

You mean there are people who don't realize this was almost all
exploitation? Yeesh. It's only inexcusable today, when Capitol et al should
have the grace not to rise above (e.g., by picking on hi-fi/stereo weenies),
nor to glop it up with amateurish, post-ironic "cocktail art." You look at
the old records enough, and you'll see how very simple effects
(intelligently applied) went a long way to making a good product. And the
penning of good, infotaining liner notes, like most writing today, seems to
be a lost art.

A lot of records, particularly the Audio Fidelity El-Bakkar records, discuss
the profound differences between eastern and western music with a remarkable
balance between providing serious information about an illustrious artist
and the lightness required by perspective: we're merely talking about a
silly belly dance trifle that you spent a paltry $4.98 for.

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From: "Steve Sando" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Music for White Folks
Date: 19 Sep 1996 08:39:35 +0000

> Is this surprising?  Start with the very roots of Exotica -- Baxter
> and Denny.  _This_ conjured up steamy tropical jungles for millions
> of suburbans, without sounding anything like the indigenous music.
> How many recordings of Tahitian music were sold during the Post-WWII
> South Pacific craze?

My parents, along with 'Ritual of the Savag' and the 'Hawaii Calls'
series, were nuts for an Lp called 'The Drums of Bora Bora'. I would
guess it's pretty authentic from the sound of it. It was rereleased on
CD (GNP) so I bought it for nostalgia's sake. It's fun but you need
the visuals.


Coconut Grove Media, publishers of MisterLUCKY
PO Box 78146, San Francisco, CA 94107
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From: Bryan Jare Cuevas <[e-mail]>
Subject: Gabor Szabo Experts?
Date: 19 Sep 1996 10:51:54 -0400 (EDT)


Any Szabo discographers know the recording dates of the following
tunes:

*********************
Galatea's Guitar
Sunshine Superman
Divided City
The Look of Love
Bacchanal
Some Velvet Morning
Ferris Wheel
Song of Injured Love
Fire Dance
Theme from "Valley of the Dolls"
*********************

These are included on the CD
     "The Szabo Equation: Jazz/Mysticism/Exotica" (DCC DJZ-605).

Gabor Szabo - lead guitar
Jim Stewart - second guitar
Mike Melvoin - organ
Louis Kabok - bass
Jim Keltner - drums
Hal Gordon - percussion

Thanks!
bryan c.

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From: "D.J. Johnson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Now I get it.
Date: 19 Sep 1996 08:52:46 -0700 (PDT)




>      >> For you Spinal Tap fans I found an RCA release by Four Jacks & a
>      Jill, = >> "Fables,"  from 1968. Who knew?

I had a 45 by Four Jacks and a Jill called "Master Jack" back around that
time period.  It was a kind of moody "Seasons In The Sun" type tune, as I
recall.

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From: "Mark A. Rosati" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Tito Puente & Philadelphia
Date: 19 Sep 1996 11:19:03 -0400

garfinkel robby wrote:
>
>         Tito and his All Star Latin-jazz Ensemble will be at the Keswick
> Theatre in a suburb of Philadelphia, on Oct 4th. Tix are $25 (ouch).  I
> don't have much more info on it.
>
>         Also, tomorrow in Philly, at Silk City Lounge (5th and Spring
> Garden), is something called "The Return of the Tiki Lounge". I don't know
> if it's good or not, but I am going to take the trip 90mins from Baltimore
> to check it out. My family is in Philly, so its not a big deal to check it
> out, and stay a few days. Has anyone here attended this event before?


I've never been to "...Tiki Lounge" before, but Silk City is a very hep
scene they usually have excellent bands, (Friends of DM were there last
week) But please post your review and if you recomend; I'll have to
attend the next one. Also thanks for the info on Tito and if I start
saving now, I might have enough to get in the door! But not enough for
drinks =:^D

mark

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From: Bruce Rhodewalt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Music for White Folks
Date: 19 Sep 1996 09:07:35 -0700

Steve Sando wrote:
>
> > Is this surprising?  Start with the very roots of Exotica -- Baxter
> > and Denny.  _This_ conjured up steamy tropical jungles for millions
> > of suburbans, without sounding anything like the indigenous music.
> > How many recordings of Tahitian music were sold during the Post-WWII
> > South Pacific craze?
>
> My parents, along with 'Ritual of the Savag' and the 'Hawaii Calls'
> series, were nuts for an Lp called 'The Drums of Bora Bora'. I would
> guess it's pretty authentic from the sound of it.
>...

Serves me right for asking.

Maybe my parents weren't typical, but they went through two distinct,
serious fads of xenophilia -- Arthur Lyman and Herb Alpert -- and they
_never_ bought any authentic stuff.

We did go to Mexico a lot, though, now that I think about it.

Bruce Rhodewalt
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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: Mark Noone, Slickee Hula Monster
Date: 19 Sep 1996 14:16:14 -0400

Mark Noone is one of those people I don't mind following around all evening
and being a nuisance to, hanging on every yuk, wink, and grin. He's a
regional/semi-national legend, having fronted the long-lived neopyschedelic
band, the SLICKEE BOYS, famous for "When I Go to the Beach," a "Pictures of
Matchstick Men" remake, and my favorite, "This Party Sucks" (one to carry
with you to enliven dubious soirees in the 'burbs or apartment buildings).

The WANKTONES were the rockabilly version of the Slickees, famous for having
the nerve to remake "Somebody's Gonna Get Their Head Kicked in Tonight," the
ultimate adrenaline-pump song by primordial teen thrashers, the Rezillos
(later the Revillos). The original Head Kicked was once banned in Maryland
bc Mohawk-sportin' goofballs couldn't help but carry out the commands to
"smash up the chairs, rip up the floor," and whatnot. Noone's current band
OUT BEHIND THE BARN carries on the Wanktones' tradition of hayseed fun.

The HULA MONSTERS arguably are Baltimore's best band, the more so now that
Mark is slumming on uke (he's a busy boy) in a band of greats. Hulabilly,
Hawaiian-western swing, blues, cowpoke, they know how to entertain (and sell
great Hawaiian shirts). Mark also helps out wife Ruth in RUTHIE & THE
WRANGLERS, a band on the move (lots of much-deserved regional airplay).

[ Now, Mark, --via snail mail-- won't you please get online? We need ya.]

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From: [e-mail] (Brother Cleve)
Subject: Irwin Chusid address
Date: 19 Sep 1996 15:05:27 -0400 (EDT)

What Tony Wilds pointed out, Irwin Chusid just reitterated to me. His email
address is *not* .com, it is :

[e-mail]

address any info pertaining to yesterdays post about Golden Throats :the
Beatles, should be sent to this address.

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From: [e-mail] (ANITA SERWACKI)
Subject: Re: Tito Puente & Philadelphia
Date: 19 Sep 1996 12:20:33 -0400


>           Tito and his All Star Latin-jazz Ensemble will be at the Keswick
>       Theatre in a suburb of Philadelphia, on Oct 4th. Tix are $25 (ouch).  I
>       don't have much more info on it.

Saw Tito and his ASLJE at the Blue Note for my birthday early this
year.  Tix were $25 to SIT AT THE BAR! $50 if you wanted a table!!
But Tito was in great form and I thought it was worth it (but of
course, I wasn't the one layin out the dough).  His flute player
rocked.

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From: "Laura Taylor" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Crying in several octaves
Date: 19 Sep 1996 18:31:38 -0400

Hi!
 Patrick "I don't have a marvy moniker yet" Cashin asked me if the Yma Sumac
show was still on for New York City on the 25th...Why he asked me,I  don't
know...But so I can further envy my North Eastern friends--or gloat because
of their disappointment, could someone inform us as to whether that's still
ago-go?
Sadly, woefully,
Lounge Laura
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Bagels, Matzos and More!
Date: 19 Sep 1996 18:47:45 -0400

>>Anything by Unsung Superstar Mickey Katz, ex- Spike Jones Band, who is
>>amazingly funny and musical and all that. My extra, coveted "Most Mishige"
>>lp MUST go to a good home only.

Keep your eyes peeled for next month The Kabalas "Martinis and Bagels"
becomes available nationwide!

I saw these guys at South By Southwest last year...mix up Mickey Katz,
Klezmer, comedy and lounge schtick and you've got The Kabalas! Two
accordians, clarinet, and drums. To enjoy them is a mitzvah!

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From: [e-mail] (Clark Scheffy)
Subject: Re:  Cataloging secrets
Date: 19 Sep 1996 16:15:55 PDT

Speaking of Cataloging Secrets, I just found a fairly nifty album cataloging
database program at the Shareware Web Site.  it is called "Albumaster" and
ispretty slick for most home-cataloging needs.  It could be useful for
insurance if you shop at Bleeker Bob's or many other purveyors for that matter.
You can also use it to search on a particular song, think back to the 3rd Man
Theme compilation?

There are a few user-definable fields and other more obvious fields (title,
artist, etc.)

Clark

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Exotica / Et Cetera LP List #6 Is DONE!!!
Date: 19 Sep 1996 21:13:41 +0000

Please send me a copy of your Exotica list.

My address is

Jeff Lee
320 Glenwood Ave.
Burlington, NC 27215


Thanks.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: My CD for Stations/Mags
Date: 19 Sep 1996 20:52:34 -0500

Hey Ralph...your CD sounds really interesting, if you could spare a promo
for our station I would love to hear it...I do a morning drive-time show
where we try to feature a cross-section of all the stuff that the station
plays so we could try  several angles to fit you in...

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: John Barry & "Beat Girl"
Date: 20 Sep 1996 16:48:35 -0400

I just found a copy of this film last night and I must say that I was
impressed by the soundtrack.  The credits in the opening titles listed both
the John Barry Seven and John Barry & his Orchestra.  The opening song had
that trademark twangy guitar with horns punctuating in the background and
hip, beatnik types, gyrating all over the place.  Now I know where the theme
in "Dr. No" (1962) came from!  I believe it was Billy Strange on guitar for
both "Beat Girl" and "Dr. No".  Yes?  No?  Anybody got a clue?

The film also had two cuts of Adam Faith singing with what sounded like the
John Barry Seven in the background.  Actually Faith has a good rockabilly
voice, almost as good as the then popular, Eddie Cochran.  It seemed that
when Cochran died in that car crash, that 'be bop a lu la' style of singing
went with him.  He was killed the same year "Beat Girl" (1960) was released.
I haven't heard Scamp's 'John Barry, the EMI Years, Vol.I yet, but I hope it
includes these same tracks from the film.

Given the fact that the video was taken from a grainy, crummy print, I would
also hope that the fidelity sounds a lot better on CD than on film.  I
should also mention that the nude scenes were cut from the film,
evidentially because it wouldn't pass American censors.

Any other comments would be appreciated.....

Bryan


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From: [e-mail] (Brother Cleve)
Subject: Re: John Barry & "Beat Girl"
Date: 20 Sep 1996 18:47:26 -0400 (EDT)

> I believe it was Billy Strange on guitar for
>both "Beat Girl" and "Dr. No".  Yes?  No?  Anybody got a clue?

No. The guitarist with the John Barry Seven was the euphoneously named Vic
Flick. And it is he who plays the guitar on Monty Norman's "James Bond
Theme", which was arranged by John Barry. (Which, BTW, makes it's first
stereo appearance ever on the new Scamp CD "John Barry : the EMI Years -
Volume 3").

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Crying in several octaves
Date: 20 Sep 1996 21:20:19 -0400 (EDT)

>.But so I can further envy my North Eastern friends--or gloat because
>of their disappointment, could someone inform us as to whether that's still
>ago-go?

Sadly,I must inform you that Yma will NOT be coming to NYC...apparently
she's "ill".That's all I know so far.

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Subject: Re: John Barry & "Beat Girl"
Date: 20 Sep 1996 22:18:38 -0400


>I just found a copy of this film last night and I must say that I was
>impressed by the soundtrack.  The credits in the opening titles listed both
>the John Barry Seven and John Barry & his Orchestra.  The opening song had
>that trademark twangy guitar with horns punctuating in the background and
>hip, beatnik types, gyrating all over the place.  Now I know where the theme
>in "Dr. No" (1962) came from!  I believe it was Billy Strange on guitar for
>both "Beat Girl" and "Dr. No".  Yes?  No?  Anybody got a clue?

Tthe guitarist on Beat Girl was Vic Flic who plays on the entire soundtrack
except for one track "Made You" (the Adam Faith vocal track)


>The film also had two cuts of Adam Faith singing with what sounded like the
>John Barry Seven in the background.

That's correct, they did the whole soundtrack.

Actually Faith has a good rockabilly
>voice, almost as good as the then popular, Eddie Cochran.  It seemed that
>when Cochran died in that car crash, that 'be bop a lu la' style of singing
>went with him.  He was killed the same year "Beat Girl" (1960) was released.
>I haven't heard Scamp's 'John Barry, the EMI Years, Vol.I yet, but I hope it
>includes these same tracks from the film.
>

John Barry Vol One features the title track and "Blue For Beatnicks" (a great
instrumental) The Beat Girl soundtrack is avaialble on a Cd from a small UK
label called Play It Again, I believe it is still in print, but it's kinda
hard to find.  While some of the music does have a bit of the feel of "The
James Bond Theme" the track "Bees Knees" (also on Barry Volume One as both a
studio and live version) is the track most critics point to as being a
precussor to the Bond theme.

>Given the fact that the video was taken from a grainy, crummy print, I would
>also hope that the fidelity sounds a lot better on CD than on film.

The "Beat Girl" CD sounds great and the tracks on Barry Volume One sound even
better as they have been remastered from the master tapes....especially "Blue
For Beatniks" which is amazing as they were able to find a stereo mix.
 I
>should also mention that the nude scenes were cut from the film,
>evidentially because it wouldn't pass American censors.
>
>Any other comments would be appreciated.....
>

Beat Girl was a big step for Barry as it was his first soundtrack he composed
and conducted as the JB7 were at this point in time more firmly based in the
pop world (and they would continually place sedcond to The Shaodws in the
British press polls as "Best Instrumental Band". Beat Girl was basically a
low budget quickie made while Adam Faith's career was floundering and as with
many poverty row B movies in the US there are occaisonally elements that will
put a film in greater stature - Barry's work on Beat Girl definitley does
that.

By the way if you like this twangy jazzy guitar stuff you'll definitely find
more to explore over the Three Volumes of Barry's early stuff.

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From: [e-mail] (John Harris)
Subject: Re: Ultra Lounge Vol 9
Date: 20 Sep 1996 21:21:01 -0500


>On the flip side, though, the final unlisted track is too cool for words.
>It sounds like the first cut off a "How To Play The Bongo" album and the
>teacher is Mr. Bongo himself - Jack Constanzo!
>
>
>Aloha,
>Grant
-SSSSSSSaaaaaaaYYYY!!!!! I was very excited when I heard that track of "Mr.
Bongo." I had that album in '73. I bought it at a Goodwill type place for
laughs. Used to drive people nuts with it at parties. It had a gatefold
sleeve, with lessons on on side and groovy instrumental on then other, or
something like that, (geez, these are 25 year old memories here!). It had
full instructions inside, I believe, on how to play the bongos. Verrry
coooooool! Speaking of How To.. type platters, I had a "How to play the
Drums" LP by Hal Blaine from the '60's that was wild......surf, waltzes,
2/4, 4/4, fun stuff.Drums and instruction one side, tunes on the other.

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From: [e-mail] (Jack Diamond)
Subject: How is Ultra #9 Cha Cha de Amor ?
Date: 20 Sep 1996 23:18:13 -0700

How is Ultra #9 Cha Cha de Amor ?

Jack



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From: [e-mail] (Jack Diamond)
Subject: Danny and Dena Guglielmi
Date: 20 Sep 1996 23:27:06 -0700

>From: Pea Hicks <[e-mail]>
>Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996

>Does anybody else have any records by Danny Guglielmi and Dena? I've got
>one called "Adventure In Sound" that just blows my mind away. They were
>a wanna-be Les Paul and Mary Ford but in my opinion they're much better
>because Danny's multi-tracking technique was not as advanced (resulting
>in a real distant, haunting sound) and Dena's vocals are way up front
>and spooky/sexy/in-your-face sounding.
>Just curious if anyone has any of their other records and if they're as
>good as this one.

Hello Pea ;)

I've only seen that 1 record and never heard anyone else mention anything
else by this wonderment.

The liners on the back tell of how mamie Eisenhower dug these 2 like the
most!!  She also dug the 3 Suns like crazy (man) too.
Mamie was a beatnik!
Danny plays ALL of the instruments on the recording including the basics
plus Violin in the lead role or as the lead voice.
I don't have the record in front of me but they do say on the cover
something to the effect of Multi Instrumental Recordings - Vocals By Dena

Half the record are these super cool weird vocals with this total outer
space jazz pop multi overdub Les Paul sound featuring the violin.
Too Que-ell

It's on TOPS

Jack



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From: "Les Belikian" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Mark Noone (not to mention Beat Girl)
Date: 21 Sep 1996 09:10:39 UT

The reason I've been lurking rather than participating on this list
is that I'm really more interested in trashy 50s and early 60s
stuff than I am in some of the more, uh, classy sounds you all
tend to discuss here.  But one recent post (in conjunction with
some otherwise unrelated references on the one hand to British
Rock 'n' Roll, as in John Barry and Adam Faith, and on the other
to the notion that "exotica" comes with a built-in ersatz factor)
prompts me to the following long-winded observations that you
should probably skip if my preferences, as mentioned above,
don't happen to strike a chord with you:

>The WANKTONES were . . . famous for having the nerve to >remake "Somebody's
Gonna Get Their Head Kicked in Tonight," >the ultimate adrenaline-pump song by
primordial teen thrashers, >the Rezillos (later the Revillos). The original
Head Kicked was >once banned in Maryland bc Mohawk-sportin' goofballs couldn't
>help but carry out the commands to "smash up the chairs, rip up >the floor,"
and whatnot.

I for one do appreciate the descriptions of the rockabilly-type
bands Tony mentioned in his full post; but, as a historical
note, let me point out that the original original (see how it all
relates -- by way of  Spinal Tap?) was by Earl Vince and the
Valiants, at least according to my Anthology of British Blues,
Volume 1, album on Immediate.  (I'm almost sure the group
was actually called Vince Earl and the Valiants; but, in any
case, they were members of Fleetwood Mac, and the song
was released as the flip of some single like "Green Manalishi.")

As for the "primordial teen" thrash bit, it's worth keeping in mind
that the (factitious) band and (real) song in question involve a
mid-to-late 60's spoof of a contemporary Teddy Boy/Greaser sensibility that
found its anthems in songs like Bill Haley's
(much earlier) "Rock the Joint."  So the Rezillos record is
even more, and even less, "primordial" than may meet the ear.  Meanwhile, the
aforementioned Haley song itself is pretty much satirical (with lyrics like
"We're gonna tear down the mailbox, rip
up the floor / Smash out the windows, and knock down the door).

But what I'm getting at is (a) that "Somebody's Gonna Get Their
Head Kicked in Tonight" isn't so much an example of "primordial
teen" thrash as it is part of a tradition that parodies, if not
specifically Tony's "Mohawk-sportin' goofballs," then at least their spiritual
kindred (b) that The Rezillos/Revillos were cool enough to
pay tribute to the forgotten coolness of some British musicians --
the earlier Fleetwood Mac -- that most Americans in the punk
culture of the late 70s would never have suspected of even the slightest
potential coolness (c)  that there's a whole genre of
British Rock 'n' Roll, starting somewhere in the Skiffle era,
that amounts to a shadow of (and perhaps an "exotic" appropriation
and revision of) the American "real thing."  In some ways, that
quasi-foreign but utterly domesticated genre or tradition constitutes
the roots of punk -- which might be one reason why The Damned chose to cover
the (home-grown) tune "Beat Girl."

Les

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From: Jan Fornell <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE:exotica in Japan
Date: 21 Sep 1996 18:53:00 +0900

Am I the only one on this list actually living in Japan?
I have been here for some ten years now, and one reason is that the
record stores in Tokyo are by far the best in the world.
In Shibuya there is a huge number of record stores in a fairly small
area, and Shinjuku doesn't come far behind. These shops range from the
enormous (Tower Records in Shibuya has 9 floors, and is proclaimed to be
the largest in the world, which very well might be true) to small
specialist shops. In other countries you can only find the local stuff
and the inevitable anglo-american rock nonsense, but here you can find
all sorts of music from all over the world. On CD, that is. There is
no such thing as a standard price for CDs, and prices range from about
1200 yen to 3000, with the particularly Japanese twist that imported CDs
are much cheaper than the local releases. Vinyl is scarce, and even
though almost anything can be found, it is usually not affordable (such
as $150 for Les Baxter's "Jungle Jazz"). There are very many second hand
shops all over the place, but no real thrift stores.

I'm afraid I don't know much about the recent club scene (too old,
married), but there is certainly no lack of places to go. Roppongi
is not, as somebody claimed, a business district, but consists mainly
of bars, discos and foreign embassies. This is where wealthy foreigners
hang out, and where you who originally posted the question might be
able to find work as a DJ, but for ordinary people there are cheaper
and more interesting places to go. Send me an email message if any of
you come this way.

Jan

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From: [e-mail] (Jill Mingo)
Subject: Re: How is Ultra #9 Cha Cha de Amor ?
Date: 21 Sep 1996 06:27:27 -0600 (MDT)

>How is Ultra #9 Cha Cha de Amor ?
>
>Jack

A lot of people have bashed this one, but I rather like it and I don't like
much. There is a nice array of latin-tinged orchestral arrangement. Nothing
really cutting edge, but very pleasant. All very slickly-produced stuff.

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From: Jack Diamond <[e-mail]>
Subject: Jack's playlist 8-4-96
Date: 21 Sep 1996 09:47:15 +0000

KFJC play list 8/4/96 for Jack Diamond

ARTIST                      TRACK                                          ALBUM
Planets                           Chunky
Gerry Mulligan Qrt   w/     Blues Goin' Up                Cal. Concerts
Jon Eardley (World Pacific)   1956/7                   Red Mitchell

Maurice Anderson (Steel)  with    Phil Baugh-Elec. Lead
                                                                                         Riff Raff
Esquivel                  In a Persian Market
4 Corners of The World
Doc Bagby                 Night Train
(Heavy Hammond)

Julie London                             Hot Toddy(Wordless)     Howard Roberts-Guitar

The 3 Suns                Russian Sleigh Ride
Ding Dong Dandy Xmas
Earle Hagen              New Interns Watusi            New Interns
Pierro Umiliani          You Tried to Warn Me
Sweden, Heaven & Hell       (Theme-Drug Treatment)

Johnny Gunnnnnnnnnnnnn    Voodooooooooooooooo
Warner Bros, 1960
Gabor Szabo               Caravan                       (Jazz Raga)
Sitar Rock
Dick Hyman/Mary Mayo      Moooooooon Gasssss
Al Caiola!!!                                            Assignment Munich
Lalo Schifrin             Once a Thief                  65,K.BURRELL-GTR
101 Strings               Whiplash!!!   (Scamp)
Astro Sounds
Les Baxter                Jungle Montuna (Scamp)
Que Mango
Art Pepper                Pepper Steak(Intro 608)      1957 W/ Red Norvo
John Zorn's Naked City    Sicilian Clan (Morricone)
Pete Rugolo Orch.         Nervous (Dick Powell Show)
Buddy Collette's
Latin All Star╣s with     1958/CROWN
Larry Bunker-Bongos
Tony Tedesco-Gtr
B.Collette-Flute
Balsara Sitar Band        These Boots Are Made for Walkin╣
Gershon Kingsley          Trumansburg Whistle           Music to Moog By
Mel Henke                 Last Night on the Back Porch  Warner Bros-62

101 Strings               Astral Freakout                              ORIG.,1968,SCAMP

Billy May Orchestra W/    Sam Hoffman-Theremin          1948/CAPITOL
This Room Is My Castle Of Quiet ;-)>
Tom Scott & the Calif.    (1ST Lp, 19 Years Old)
Dreamers                                                            Honeysuckle Breeze
Richard Hayman's          Windmills of Your Mind        Command
Genuine Electric Latin    Love Machine
Marty Manning's           The Twilight Zone             1960
Howard Roberts Qrt.       Days of Wine & Roses          Mancini, 63
Martin Denny(Moog)        Delilah(Tom Jones)            Liberty,Last Lp
Martin Denny(Moog)        Let Go
Tony From R.C Wins Que Mango CD from Scamp!!!

Kenyon Hopkins            Ghost                         Baby Doll
Sir Adrian Boult          Neptune, the Mystic           1956
Gregg Oliver and          Billy Rogers-Composition      Seduction
Lois Cooper-Spoken Word   Del Staton-Guitar             1961
Seduction ;-)>
Shelly Manne and          Russ Freeman,Herb Geller      The Floater
His Men, Conte Candoli    Victor Feldman                Mancini's P.G.
Benny Golson              Golden Glow                                TV's Hippest Commercials

Barry, John               Big Fella                     Emi Years VOL.1,


Jud Conlon's Rhythm-Aires Dobie Gillis Theme            Late 50'S

101 Strings               Instant Nirvana               Bonus Track
originally from Sounds of Today
Vinnie Bell               Whistle Stop
The Hellers               It's 74 in San Francisco      Command
The Hellers               And Now the News
Chico Hamilton Qnt        Sidneys Theme(Jazz Themes)    Sweet Smell of
                                                                                   Success
Pete Rugolo               Diamond on the Move         58/EMARCY

KFJC 12345 El Monte Road, Los Altos Hills, CA 94022
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From: "Steve Sando" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: How is Ultra #9 Cha Cha de Amor ?
Date: 21 Sep 1996 10:07:29 +0000

> How is Ultra #9 Cha Cha de Amor ?

Of course, it's subjective , but as someone who really loves Latin
music and has quite a vinyl collection of Capitol Latin, I think it's
a real turd. I liked Mambo Fever from the first group because the
novelty numbers were balanced with things you could actually dance
to. Cha Cha de Amor has a few bright spots but it's too schticky for
me, especially when you consider what's in the Capitol vaults by Billy
May, Chuy Reyes, the Arthur Murray series, Costanzo, etc.

This may not be a plus for some, but Mambo Fever really sounded like
Capitol 1950s/60s Latin music. It had the Capitol sound and was
pretty balanced. Cha Cha de Amor has a "marketed" feel to it (The
kids will love this whacky number!). The Brazilian music is bossa
nova instead of samba (and I would guess it's from Pacific Jazz or
some other label later aquired by EMI) and it seems at odds with the
mambo, cha cha and rumba.



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PO Box 78146, San Francisco, CA 94107
http://www.wco.com/~coconutg/
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From: [e-mail] (Hugh Petfield)
Subject: Re: John Barry & "Beat Girl"
Date: 21 Sep 1996 18:44:58 +0100

Bryan wrote:
>I just found a copy of this film last night and I must say that I was
>impressed by the soundtrack.  The credits in the opening titles listed both
>the John Barry Seven and John Barry & his Orchestra.  The opening song had
>that trademark twangy guitar with horns punctuating in the background and
>hip, beatnik types, gyrating all over the place.  Now I know where the theme
>in "Dr. No" (1962) came from!  I believe it was Billy Strange on guitar for
>both "Beat Girl" and "Dr. No".  Yes?  No?  Anybody got a clue?

Very similar guitar sound, but Billy Strange is American and John Barry
(and most of his 7/Ork) is English.  His guitar player was a guy by the
name of Vic Flick. It wasn't until much later in the 60's or even the
70's that Barry went transatlantic.  The two films mentioned, plus many of
the subsequent Bond films were made at Pinewood Studios in England (with
location shots elsewhere, natch!)

>The film also had two cuts of Adam Faith singing with what sounded like the
>John Barry Seven in the background.  Actually Faith has a good rockabilly
>voice, almost as good as the then popular, Eddie Cochran.
IMHO, Faith was to Cochran as Annette Funicello is to Yma Sumac.  On second
thoughts, make that Hayley Mills to Yma Sumac.  Annette made some darn good
records in her time.  Pity she's not a well person these days.

Hugh.
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Christmas Cocktails, et. al.
Date: 21 Sep 1996 14:10:33 -0400

Ultra Lounge Christmas Cocktails - Peggy Lee, Lou Rawls, Julie London, Dino,
Nat, Rudolph Mambo,  Jingle Bells bossa nova AND  a cha cha....need I say
more?.
(BTW,  just saw a $20 limited edition leopard skin-covered CD sampler of the
Ultra Lounge releases.....24 cuts, 2 from each volume....I love the series,
but now comps of comps? well, those collectors ARE a strange bunch, aren't
they?  hmmm, only $20.

Ann Margret - Let Me Entertain You (RCA)- She is definitely babe-a-licious,
slightly tone-deaf but I can deal wit dat. Does NOT not include her big
production number from State Fair, the one that caused Pat Boone to storm the
stage and drool at her feet, but then that must be seen to be believed.

Lalo Shifrin Mission Anthology  - One Way Records - Music from Mission
Impossible and More M from MI -   What was I waiting for?    Lalo, Lalo,
Lalo, Jim, Rollin, Barney, Rock Stevens (willy),  Cinnamon,  with bongos,
guiro, etc, etc.....guaranteed to make you self-destruct, and only $12 !!!!!

Best of the Button Down Brass featuring the Funky Trumpet of Ray Davies - a
german import on Mercury - Tequila really kicks ass, the other 21 cuts are
'60s ez classics (Webb/Bert/etc) with a rock/latin feel,  harder than
Alpert's TJB  - nice ambience, a few vocals, triangle player gets a
workout....Ray had a couple tracks on Sound Spectrum, which i finally bought,
and am glad i did.

For $2, Neil Diamond, Velvet Gloves and Spit CD - now how'd i ever miss THIS
one when it was released?  Bought it now for "The Pot Smoker's Song",  and
discovered a good-timey ditty mixed with  recitations from various folks
about how pot led them to lsd, cocaine, and heroin.  Gee, and I used to think
he was a lame douchebag !!!  Gotta fill out my Neil collection now.

Island of Dr. Moreau (1996) - Silly movie, nothing will ever top Island of
Lost Souls, but cool run through the jungle music and lots of ominous
synth-wash music-to-splice-genes-by,  great in THX Sound at the theater. (BTW
Brando's a hoot and Kilmer is funny) Have only sampled soundtrack CD on store
listening station, but will buy next time I'm depressed.  In the meantime,
the great bummer music from Altered States will have to suffice.   Pass the
Prozac please !

The Trip - soundtrack - Electric Flag w/ Michael Bloomfield - only $10,
killer psych-rock from the Flag,  and Fine Jung Thing is as good as psych
rock gets.  Now if Mike had only listened to Neil,  but who knew until Bob
Dull said "Just Don't Do It?"?

IMHO,  JBTwist

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From: [e-mail] (John Harris)
Subject: Trip!.
Date: 21 Sep 1996 17:11:40 -0500

>The Trip - soundtrack - Electric Flag w/ Michael Bloomfield - only $10,
>killer psych-rock from the Flag,  and Fine Jung Thing is as good as psych
>rock gets.  Now if Mike had only listened to Neil,  but who knew until Bob
>Dull said "Just Don't Do It?"?

Say, I have the '67 groovy psho-deel-lic LP and it has about 20 short
tracks on it. The CD i saw had 12. Wha' happent? Peter Fonda running around
in a script penned by Jack Nicholson about doing a hit of acid in the
groovy Hollywood scene in the mid 60's. All sortsa sounds on the LP. psych,
blues, jazz, Alpert style, Hobbit music,  groovy in-the-here-and-now style
sounds. Songs are very short, all instrumental, except for a 1 minute
1920's sounding advertisement for "Psyche Soap." When Jack Webb would bust
a buch of acid-heads in Dragnet, this is the stuff they would be listening
to (Remember the "Blue-Boy" episode?). This movie and music would be
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From: Grant China <[e-mail]>
Subject: My weekend score
Date: 21 Sep 1996 12:20:37 -1000

Every year the public radio station here has a big used record sale.  It's
always one of the high points of my year.  It seemed a bit smaller this year
than in past years but I still walked off with a good haul, 37 LPs in all.
All LPs were $2.

Here are the exotica oriented albums that I bought:

"Primitiva" by Martin Denny
"Les Baxter's La Femme" by Franck Pourcel & His French Strings
"The Mancini Touch" by Henry Mancini
"The Pink Panther" film score by Henry Mancini
"The Music From Peter Gunn" by Henry Mancini
"The Versatile Henry Mancini" by Henry Mancini and his Orchestra
"Pertinent Percussion Cha Cha's" by Enoch Light & The Light Brigade
"Provocative Percussion" by The Command All-Stars (still sealed!!!)
"Persuasive Percussion - Volume 2" by Terry Snyder & The All-Stars
"Bongos Bongos Bongos" by Los Admiradores (produced by Enoch Light)
"Bongos/Flutes/Guitars" by Los Admiradores (produced by Enoch Light)
"Let's Dance Latin" by The Martinez-Cheda Orchestra
"Sea Of Dreams" by Nelson Riddle
"Ros On Broadway" by Edmundo Ros and his Orchestra
"Perfect For Dancing" by Edmundo Ros (in High Fi-esta)
"Rhythms Of The South" by Edmundo Ros and his Orchestra
"Fabulous Bongo Ping Pong Percussion" by Kaino & his Afro-Percussion Group
"Exotic Percussion" by Stanley Black and his Orchestra
"Fly Me To The Moon" by Joe Harnell and his Orchestra
"Cugat Cavalcade" by Xavier Cugat and his Orchestra


Aloha,
Grant


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From: [e-mail] (STEFAN KERY)
Subject: Re: Christmas Cocktails, et. al.
Date: 22 Sep 1996 00:37:41 +0200 (MET DST)

JBTwist wrote in his otherwise enlightend posting:

>killer psych-rock from the Flag,  and Fine Jung Thing is as good as psych
>rock gets.

Come on! this is bottom of the barrel even if we=B4re talkin=B4=
 exploitation. I=20
can mention hundreds of psych rock groups that blows this release away, but=
=20
not on this list. Check my mail-order list.

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From: "Robbie Baldock" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Ralph Sutton
Date: 22 Sep 1996 00:05:38 +0000

Does anyone have/heard pianist Ralph Sutton's Project 3 LPs
"Knocked Out Nocturne" (PR 5040) or "Grand Slam Piano" (with Dick
Hyman et al) (PR 5064)?

Also, does anyone know if he appeared on any other Enoch Light
records and does anyone know anything about the man?!

Ralph Sutton is coming to Scotland in a couple of weeks and I would
like some background before attempting to interview him.

Thanks for any info!


Robbie

PS:  Wealthy subscribers to this list (?!) please check the new "we need
     your help!" page at the Spaced Out site.  Thanks!

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: John Barry & "Beat Girl"
Date: 21 Sep 1996 19:38:17 -0400

At 06:44 PM 9/21/96 +0100, you wrote:
>Very similar guitar sound, but Billy Strange is American and John Barry
>(and most of his 7/Ork) is English.  His guitar player was a guy by the
>name of Vic Flick. It wasn't until much later in the 60's or even the
>70's that Barry went transatlantic.  The two films mentioned, plus many of
>the subsequent Bond films were made at Pinewood Studios in England (with
>location shots elsewhere, natch!)

Thanks for the imput Hugh.  Yes, I'm aware that John Barry is English and
that "Beat Girl" is UK in nature.  I had read somewhere that Strange was the
one who played on the soundtrack but now find out that Flick was the one who
actually played.  I can see why, given the playing styles of both, that the
author of the piece was confused.  However, it wouldn't be too inconceivable
for American musicians and English musicians to play with one another, even
back then.

>
>>The film also had two cuts of Adam Faith singing with what sounded like the
>>John Barry Seven in the background.  Actually Faith has a good rockabilly
>>voice, almost as good as the then popular, Eddie Cochran.
>IMHO, Faith was to Cochran as Annette Funicello is to Yma Sumac.  On second
>thoughts, make that Hayley Mills to Yma Sumac.  Annette made some darn good
>records in her time.  Pity she's not a well person these days.

I'm not sure where you make that comparison of Faith to Cochran from.  When
I saw the film, Faith's singing style reminded me of Cochran and Gene
Vincent and it was the first impression that came to mind.

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From: [e-mail] (Peter Principle)
Subject: Gab Szab dates
Date: 21 Sep 1996 21:54:36 -0400

>Any Szabo discographers know the recording dates of the following
>tunes:
>
>*********************
>Galatea's Guitar
>Sunshine Superman
>Divided City
>The Look of Love
>Bacchanal
>Some Velvet Morning
>Ferris Wheel
>Song of Injured Love
>Fire Dance
>Theme from "Valley of the Dolls"
>*********************
>
>These are included on the CD
>     "The Szabo Equation: Jazz/Mysticism/Exotica" (DCC DJZ-605).
>
>Gabor Szabo - lead guitar
>Jim Stewart - second guitar
>Mike Melvoin - organ
>Louis Kabok - bass
>Jim Keltner - drums
>Hal Gordon - percussion
>
>Thanks!
>bryan c.

Sunshine Superman, Divided City, The Look of Love, Bacchanal, Some Velvet
Morning, Theme from "Valley of the Dolls" are from Bacchanal Skye SK3
recorde 2.9.68 at Western Recorders LA

Galatea's Guitar, Ferris Wheel, Song of Injured Love, Fire Dance are from
the LP Dreams Skye SK7  recorded 9.6,7,9.68 at Western Recording in LA and
on 9.22.68 at Gotham Recording in NYC

These are nice records, but the real cool stuff is on Impulse namely Jazz
Raga 8.4.66 (including Caravan and Paint It Black etc.), Wind Sky and
Diamonds 9.12,13,14.67  (including White Rabbit, Lucy In the Sky, A Day In
the Life, To Sir With Love etc. with Emil Richards perc and Bill Plummer
mucho sitar) and The Sorcerer (including Space, The Beat Goes On etc.
recorded live with the same band as that on the CD above).  Maybe these
tapes are owned by a major and so might not get reissued in CD format or
maybe they've all been reished already... haven't a clue...
cheers
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From: [e-mail] (Jack Diamond)
Subject: Record stores in Japan
Date: 21 Sep 1996 21:49:04 -0700

one reason is that the
>record stores in Tokyo are by far the best in the world.
>In Shibuya there is a huge number of record stores in a fairly small
>area, and Shinjuku doesn't come far behind.

I gotta say I almost "fainted" when I read this.  Great RECORD STORES in
Japan ???  The best RECORD STORES are in Japan???

No offense;))  These are not record stores, these are CD stores;))

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From: paul dean <[e-mail]>
Subject: lookin' fer cut-outs
Date: 22 Sep 1996 00:45:39 +0000

I am an obsessive record collector as per most of this list, I suppose,
and this is why

(1) I am trying to find the number and/or address of Campus Records, a
company that sells cut-out records to record stores and crafty
individuals.

and

(2) I am wondering if anyone one knows of any other similar
organizations.


thank you, please!



paul


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                            If it didn't make you laugh it's not true."
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: lookin' fer cut-outs
Date: 22 Sep 1996 11:21:54 -0400

Village Music gave me a box for my purchases a few years back from, you
guessed it, Campus Records.  Printed on the box is the following info:

Campus Records
Deletions and Overstocks
874 Albany-Shaker Road
Latham, New York  12110
Ph 518-783-6698 or 783-6715
Fax [phone]

Good luck, I love the cut-out bins, source of many el cheapo surpises.

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From: [e-mail] (John Jones)
Subject: Re: What Is Exotica?
Date: 22 Sep 1996 16:44:06 GMT

On Sun, 1 Sep 96 15:52:12 UT, you wrote:

>"Steve Sando" <[e-mail]> Sat, 31 Aug 1996 10:05:04 writes
>
>>I found this list a bit confusing...
>>I think the above list is good solid music but not neccassarily Exotica.
>
>I guess everyone has their own definition of "exotic."  That's what makes this
>exercise of listing your top 5 so interesting.  Does music have to be weird to
>be exotica?  To me, music from another continent and culture (ie Brazil) is
>plenty exotic.  And to mainstream America LOTS of stuff would be considered
>exotic.  I will admit to lumping stuff together in my own head (exotica,
>lounge, electronic, EZ, whatever), which is sure to offend and/or confuse some
>purists.  But, to borrow from a recent popular political sentiment, let us
>make exotica a tolerant, inclusionary genre, not one stifled by its own dogma.
>
>Seriously, though, I do find your comments to be valid.  Music is very
>subjective by its own nature and your opinion is an interesting one.  Let the
>debate continue!
>

Hi all!

Just been thinking about this debate, aqnd decided to add my HO.

I think that the term "Exotica" does pertain to a certain genre of
music----ie. Baxter, Denny,etc.  But from reading these posts, I
believe that most of us certainly enjoy a lot of off-beat music, and
as far as I know, there ain't no where else to discuss, get new info,
whatever.

I would personally like to see this list continue to discuss all kinds
of weird stuff....very entertaining.....and we learn about new stuff
we might not have known about before.

By the way....am very into the decidedly off-beat career of Joe Meek.
Whoever posted that URL a few weeks ago....Thanx!

John
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: "Danger:Diabolik"
Date: 22 Sep 1996 18:24:30 -0400

Another wild film I caught last night, made in 1967 starring John Phillip
Law as "Diabolik", a master criminal that continually outwits the police.
Law also made the infamous "Barbarella" around this time.  A more stylish
film than "Flint" although James Coburn is a much better actor.  Lots of
wild sets, turtlenecks, weird clothes with hip, jet-set settings and oval
sunglasses with thick white plastic frames.  Really mod stuff.

Directed by Mario Bava, in one of his few non-horror outings, the film score
is by none other than Ennio Morricone.  This soundtrack isn't as well known
as his stuff with Leone, but it's just as good IMOP.  The track in the
opening credits has a woman wailing and humming that
'de..,de..,dahhhh...de,de,dahhhhh' in the background of lush strings, sitars
and electric guitars.  Other tracks in the film are variations of the
opening one, although it sounds varied enough for an album to have been made
of it.  It really is a '67 period piece!!  Check it out.

Anyone else seen it or heard the soundtrack?  Other comments would be
appreciated.

Bryan


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: lookin' fer cut-outs
Date: 22 Sep 1996 19:06:15 -0400 (EDT)

Paul Dean writes:

>(2) I am wondering if anyone one knows of any other similar
>organizations.

     Try Performance Records.  I don't have an address, but they're in East
Brunswick, New Jersey, I think.
                    --Jon Johnson
                      [e-mail]
                      North Swanzey, New Hampshire


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From: [e-mail] (R.Preston Peek)
Subject: Re: Twist Goes Latin!
Date: 22 Sep 1996 16:40:12 -0700 (PDT)


>i added trout mask replica to a very like-minded list of desert island
>specials when i was fourteen. i had to hide my copy under my shirts in my
>bureau when my parents would go through their frank zappa (and related)
>prevention raids.

Ahh, the Trout!!  Had to make this late post upon seeing the Captain's
finest mentioned here...

Where on the exoticum continiuum would Beef reside?  Exotica may not be the
word, but "I Wanna Find Me A Woman That'll Hold My Big Toe" (not to mention
"Tropical Hot Dog Night" and "Ella Guru") must have a place here
somewhere...

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From: [e-mail] (R.Preston Peek)
Subject: Re: Ultra-Lounge query (no flames involved)
Date: 22 Sep 1996 16:40:23 -0700 (PDT)

>i haven't seen the cha cha cover yet (heard the music was not good,
>however), but according to preston peek's article on "cheesecake album
>covers," the original shearing cover had the face of a model different from
>the body also. maybe they put the right head back on the original body.
>
>is preston out there to comment?

Yes, he is -- but I've been in San Francisco and environs for the past week
and just got back. (BTW, vinyl hounds need to allot at LEAST 4 days to do
the area properly.  Brought back 131 pounds of records (according to the
airline) with everything from autographed Eden Ahbez to Mansfield's
Shakespeare, Tchaiskovsky & Me...Some was pricey, some was not, all was
fun).

Looks like the mysterious "face in the mirror" topic has already been
pretty well exhausted, but to recap--yes, Jim Silke told me that only the
face was changed on Shearing's "Latin Lace" to appease Capitol executives
who were fearful that whitebread America might not react favorably.  All I
can say is that no matter whose back is on the CD, it's a wonderful (albeit
small) slice of poetic justice that the Senorita has finally claimed her 15
nanoseconds of fame after three decades of undeserved obscurity.

This is a funny old world we live in...

Speaking of disembodied heads...I'm having a running argument (friendly, of
course) with a couple of folks who claim that the buxom blonde rising from
the volcano on Lyman's "Legend of Pele" is indeed Jayne herself.  I don't
buy it, but it's too close to call.  Any opinions?

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From: [e-mail] (Hugh Petfield)
Subject: Yes, Record stores in Japan
Date: 23 Sep 1996 00:36:55 +0100

It was replied by Jack Di Amond, writing about the statement that...

>>record stores in Tokyo are by far the best in the world.

>No offense;))  These are not record stores, these are CD stores;))
>
>Jack
>

My Oxford online dictionary describes
compact disc as:

a disc on which information or sound is recorded digitally and
reproduced by reflection of laser light.

If sound is recorded, then it's a record isn't it?  I'm not being
vinylophobic - hell, I bought $30 worth of LP's last week! - but
I'm not sure if scratchy discs are really worth defending the good
name of?  If vinyl fidelity is so good, why weren't we using
Vinyl-ROMs with our computers?  :-))

Hugh.
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: "Danger:Diabolik"
Date: 22 Sep 1996 20:26:28 -0400 (EDT)

"Diabolik" is one of my faves of all time! Same production team and a few
of the same actors who made "Barbarella". The Morricone score is IMHO one
of his best. The title song,"Deep,Deep Down" was released as a single in
Italy by the woman who sang it, "Dino". Strangely,<not> Morricone's
ubiquitous femme-vox alter-ego,Edda Dell'Orso. Sadly, the OST has never
been released.

BTW,if you dig Morricone's swingin' non-Western scores, there's a fine new
comp put out by Colosseum in Germany,"Mondo Morricone";all late
'60s-early'70s stuff.My heart leapt when I saw it, hoping that some of the
"Diabolik" score would be included..it isn't but it's well worth checking
out, nonetheless,although it gets a little bit repetitive in spots.

"Mondo Morricone" (CST 34.8057)
Colloseum Schallplatten GmbH
Bayernstrasse 100
90471 Nurnberg
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From: Paul Lewis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Tiki Lounge
Date: 22 Sep 1996 21:12:31 -0400 (EDT)


A few mentioned the 'Return of the Tiki Lounge' that was featured at Silk
City Lounge in Philadelphia this past week.  I stopped by for about an
hour or so (didn't start until 10pm and I didn't get there until about
11).  The owner and another employee of the Record Exchange in Philly
(two really friendly guys) were spinning records which featured mainly
strange organ tunes, piano, vibes and the like.  Most were circa early 60's
pieces to my untrained ear.  They had some loungey chairs and tables
strewn about with lava lamps on each of the cocktail tables.  A good
idea, but could have used more atmosphere ala Marion's in NYC.

The music was interesting, but I would have liked them to play more tunes in
the Polynesian vein.  Hey it's a 'Tiki Lounge', right?  I'm sure those
guys have a stash of the good stuff somewhere...


Paul Lewis                                      [e-mail]
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From: [e-mail] (Clark Scheffy)
Subject: cataloging
Date: 22 Sep 1996 17:57:03 PDT

I've gotten a few requests for the albumaster database location at Shareware.
To make thing easy, here it is!

http://www.shareware.com/

This page includes a search engine.  Search on "database" and select your
O/S.  The program is called "albumaster" and was near the bottom of the page.
Another (much larger) program for cataloging musical media did not work after
two seperate download / setup tries.... So, be sure and get "albumaster"
The program is called : "albw210.zip "

Enjoy.

Clark

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From: garfinkel robby <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Tiki Lounge
Date: 22 Sep 1996 22:18:35 -0400 (EDT)



    Yes, I also attend THE RETURN OF TIKI LOUNGE.  Pretty
disappointing, honestly. Then again, I drove 100 miles to Philly from
Balto. (Not just for Tiki Lounge, of course).  The music was "OK" at best.
Certainly something calling itself Tiki Lounge should have had at least
one exotica tune. Nothing very exciting. As for the decor, that's what
Silk City always looks like. Not many people. And, it was advertised
"Rum Drink specials". When I asked what the specials were, the bartender
said "Oh, all rum drinks are $1 off."  AND, they didn't have pineapple or
lime juice. Gee. You'd think they'd plan ahead. However, after going with
the standard Martini (they use those lame little olives, not the big
aesthetically pleasing ones), I did try something a bit tropical looking
that a few people had. I asked what it was, the bartender wasn't quit
sure, but said it might be a Planter's Punch.

    All this said, if you're in town, I would go...I guess it just
needs a little support, and hopefully things will pick up.  I'll be in
town next month around that time, so I'll drop by again.

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From: basic hip <[e-mail]>
Subject: CD stores
Date: 22 Sep 1996 19:37:31 -0700

Hugh said:

>I'm not sure if scratchy discs are really worth defending the good name of?
__________________________________________________________________

I can see the steam coming outta Jack Diamond's ears now!!!!

I buy about thirty records to every one CD.  The differences in CD stores
and record stores are night and day.  I can easily spend a couple of hours
in a used record store, sometimes crawling around on my hands and knees -
really!  It is a thrilling experience finding that mint copy of In Cold
Blood or any other great record - that's the "feverish passion".  I don't
get that feeling at all walking down the isle of a Virgin Megastore looking
for some cheesy "Lounge" display.  In fact, I get the opposite feeling - I
can't wait to leave.

A well preserved record sounds wonderful - all warm and buttery.  The
beautiful cheesecake album photos and exotic artwork are a full FOUR times
the size the CD.  Most importantly,  I'm listening to and learning all about
tons of KILLER shit that "CD people" will NEVER hear cuz it ain't EVER gonna
see the light of day as a reissue.

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From: J P M <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: "Danger:Diabolik"
Date: 22 Sep 1996 22:52:18 +0000

Speaking of Dino De'Laurentas Film's ,Does any one have a copy of
Barbarella for sale or something ,I've been looking fo this one for a
while .Finally I just dubbed the music off of LaserDisk, but i'm still
looking for the vinyl or CD (┐).
--
Jason
The Pygmy Taxi Corp
http://www.spacelab.net/~mugen/
Vocod'o'rama
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From: J P M <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Record stores in Japan
Date: 22 Sep 1996 22:59:07 +0000

"No offense;))  These are not record stores, these are CD stores;))

Jack

I work with mostly Japanese DJ's ,and trust me there are MANY record
stores in Japan.And when your looking for something hard to find, it is
probably available in Japan. One of my friends is an *AVERAGE* record
collecter and he has 5000+Records ...No Kidding. When they collect
things in japan they don't fool around.
They even have entire books (volumes of them) on individual artist ,
labels, you name it.


Jason
The Pygmy Taxi Corp
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From: "Chrysler Mighuel Stewart" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Game Show Music
Date: 22 Sep 1996 21:34:34 -0700

Does anybody know who did the music to TV's "The Price is Right" or whether
one could find it recorded? Any Game Show Music, for that matter- It seems
like all of those TV Theme Records are always missing the Game Show Themes,
(Save the 'Jeopardy' Theme...) Is there some odd copyright restriction on
U.S. Game show music? It's soo perky and upbeat much of the time, that I'm
amazed that there aren't more game show comps! 'The Price is Right'
features some especially boss numbers which they've been using for decades!
I'd love to get my hands on the music!
            -Regards
                -Rev. Chrysler Mighuel Stewart
            [e-mail]
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From: Pea Hicks <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Game Show Music
Date: 22 Sep 1996 22:30:35 -0700

'The Price is Right'
> features some especially boss numbers which they've been using for decades!
Funny... I was just thinking this the other day as well. Remember the
fake Alpine yodeling song?
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From: Jan Fornell <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE:Music for white folks
Date: 23 Sep 1996 15:13:00 +0900

The other day Robbie Baldock quoted and wrote:
>"Neither Hindustan nor Song of India, however, bear any great
>resemblance to authentic Indian music, although both are much more
>pleasing to Western ears than the dissonances of Indian music." (!)
>(Richard Joseph, RCA)
>I guess this lies at the root of a lot of Exotica - what the "white
>man" thought these places "sounded" like...
Indeed the whole point of exotica is that it is FAKE ethnic music
from imagined (or imaginary) lands, with the evocative liner notes
written by armchair travellers for the benefit of others, and the
alluring "exotic" girls on the covers very much part of the deal.
Outside of music, this phenomenon is known as "orientalism", and is
not considered politically correct. But this of course doesn't make
the music any less interesting, as long as it is not confused with
genuine ethnic music. I don't think anybody believes Martin Denny's
masterpiece "Afro-desia" has anything to do with the real Africa,
but some people even on this list still seem to have illusions about
Polynesia or the Far East.
The equivalent of exotica today seems to be located not so much in
some foreign geographic location as in the middle ages, but long
before the heyday of Baxter and Denny CLASSICAL composers were
putting out fake ethnic music: the exotica standard "Song of India"
is from Rimsky-Korsakov's rather bizarre opera "Sadko", and then
there is of course Puccini with his "Turandot" and "Madame Butterfly"!

>I detect another thread starting!
Exotic opera, anyone?

Jan

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Lounge-a-palooza, S.F.
Date: 23 Sep 1996 02:17:01 -0400

Did anyone go to this Lounge-a-palooza event this weekend?

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From: "Robbie Baldock" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Music for White Folks
Date: 23 Sep 1996 13:20:54 +0000

I wrote:
>> I guess this lies at the root of a lot of Exotica - what the "white
>> man" thought these places "sounded" like...

Jan Fornell wrote:
> Indeed the whole point of exotica is that it is FAKE ethnic music from
> imagined (or imaginary) lands, with the evocative liner notes

I know this - I was just surprised at the RCA suggestion that this
"fake" music was in some sense *better* than the "real"!  But, I
agree, this doesn't make Exotica any less interesting and I will
certainly keep my ears glued to it for some time!


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Subject: Re: Record stores in Japan
Date: 23 Sep 1996 09:12:54 -0400

At 10:59 PM 9/22/96 +0000, you wrote:

>I work with mostly Japanese DJ's ,and trust me there are MANY record
>stores in Japan.And when your looking for something hard to find, it is
>probably available in Japan. One of my friends is an *AVERAGE* record
>collecter and he has 5000+Records ...No Kidding. When they collect
>things in japan they don't fool around.
>They even have entire books (volumes of them) on individual artist ,
>labels, you name it.


Jeezz!  Japan isn't exactly a big place.  Where do they find the space?


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Subject: Re: "Danger:Diabolik"
Date: 23 Sep 1996 09:31:29 -0400

At 08:26 PM 9/22/96 -0400, you wrote:
>"Diabolik" is one of my faves of all time! Same production team and a few
>of the same actors who made "Barbarella". The Morricone score is IMHO one
>of his best. The title song,"Deep,Deep Down" was released as a single in
>Italy by the woman who sang it, "Dino". Strangely,<not> Morricone's
>ubiquitous femme-vox alter-ego,Edda Dell'Orso. Sadly, the OST has never
>been released.

So that's the name of the title song.  It sounded more like she was humming
it, than singing those words.  The melody to it is etched into my brain, so
I don't think I will forget it anytime soon, if ever.

So this soundtrack doesn't exist?  Not even on an Italian label?  Say
Italian RCA?  No?  There are so may Morricone comps from Italy that I'm
quite surprised by this.  Any idea why it wasn't released?

>
>BTW,if you dig Morricone's swingin' non-Western scores, there's a fine new
>comp put out by Colosseum in Germany,"Mondo Morricone";all late
>'60s-early'70s stuff.My heart leapt when I saw it, hoping that some of the
>"Diabolik" score would be included..it isn't but it's well worth checking
>out, nonetheless,although it gets a little bit repetitive in spots.

Somewhere, somehow, the master to this film must exist somewhere??????

>
>"Mondo Morricone" (CST 34.8057)
>Colloseum Schallplatten GmbH
>Bayernstrasse 100
>90471 Nurnberg
>Germany

Thanks for the tip, we need more mondo stuff like this.  I already have
Rhino's "A Fist Full of Film Music".  Do many of the tracks overlap with this?

And by the way, whatever happened to that actress who played Law's girlfried
in the film?  Whats-her-name?  Wow!

Again thanks,
Bryan


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From: J P M <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Record stores in Japan
Date: 23 Sep 1996 12:23:20 +0000

THey go up not out.
--
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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: John Barry & "Beat Girl"
Date: 23 Sep 1996 12:51:10 -0400

>Flick. And it is he who plays the guitar on Monty Norman's "James Bond
>Theme", which was arranged by John Barry. (Which, BTW, makes it's first
>stereo appearance ever on the new Scamp CD "John Barry : the EMI Years -
>Volume 3").
>
>br cleve

You mean first appearance on CD? Plural Barry stereo LPs have it (one or two
might be a remake, but still): John Barry Plays Goldfinger, Great Movie Hits
of John Barry, etc.

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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Cataloging software
Date: 23 Sep 1996 12:51:03 -0400

At 04:15 PM 9/19/96 PDT, you wrote:
>Speaking of Cataloging Secrets, I just found a fairly nifty album cataloging
>database program at the Shareware Web Site.  it is called "Albumaster" and
>ispretty slick for most home-cataloging needs.  It could be useful for
>insurance if you shop at Bleeker Bob's or many other purveyors for that matter.
>You can also use it to search on a particular song, think back to the 3rd Man
>Theme compilation?
>
>There are a few user-definable fields and other more obvious fields (title,
>artist, etc.)
>
>Clark

I'd do my own (databases used to be part of my career) in a jiffy, but the
computer itself is the bottleneck. Truly, nothing beats post-it notes and a
hand-writ cross-reference list for speed and convenience. Think of the havoc
when you're done with a record. Hard enough to get rid of the things as is.
I do dream of the day when [millions of] songs can be stored in a fluid,
affordable, digital, computer-controlled, storage medium.

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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Bongo Fury - Beefheart
Date: 23 Sep 1996 12:51:17 -0400

>Where on the exoticum continiuum would Beef reside?  Exotica may not be the
>word, but "I Wanna Find Me A Woman That'll Hold My Big Toe" (not to mention
>"Tropical Hot Dog Night" and "Ella Guru") must have a place here
>somewhere...
>
>Preston

"Bongo Fury!" of course, the more so as the late formalist Zappa was still
exploiting his raw-creative superior on the road in 1974.

The fact that the visual artistry of Beefheart runs equally through his
painting, poetry, music, and conversation ties him at least to the Beat
aesthetic. As a strictly original artist, and one of the late '60s
generation, he would have been loathe to give an obvious nod to a Baxter or
Denny (yes to Stravinsky & Ornette Coleman tho). Exotic in his uniqueness.

Certainly exotic for me was a vid of the Coney Island Mermaid Festival set
to the champion party song "Tropical Hot Dog Night" as soundtrack.

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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Mansfield as Pele
Date: 23 Sep 1996 12:51:18 -0400

>Speaking of disembodied heads...I'm having a running argument (friendly, of
>course) with a couple of folks who claim that the buxom blonde rising from
>the volcano on Lyman's "Legend of Pele" is indeed Jayne herself.  I don't
>buy it, but it's too close to call.  Any opinions?
>
>Preston

Every time I suppose a would-be Jayne jacket is not Jayne, it turns out that
it is. A lot went into that LP, riding the coattails of Taboo as it did, so
it stands to reason some clever body thought to spring for the Mansfield. I
vote "yes, what the hay," albeit tentatively.

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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Mark Noone, Rezillatin'
Date: 23 Sep 1996 12:51:12 -0400

>(much earlier) "Rock the Joint."  So the Rezillos record is
>even more, and even less, "primordial" than may meet the ear.

>Les

Whew! Thanks for the background, wish I could get that first version. Bill
Haley was a go-between for versions of "13 Women" (Ann-Margret's 13 Men) as
well, no?

As for primordial teenage thrash, I meant only that the supreme, abandoned
FUN SOUND of the Rezillos/'villos/Shake Project (especially in their "Can't
Stand the Rezillos" phase) predated the tedious 1980s "speed" or "thrash"
bands. Of course the 'zillos were partly revivalists, like the Ramones and
the holy NY Dolls. Some serious guitar noise.

Thunderbirds are go-oh!

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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Uh-oh, vinyl partisanship
Date: 23 Sep 1996 12:51:19 -0400

>If sound is recorded, then it's a record isn't it?  I'm not being
>vinylophobic - hell, I bought $30 worth of LP's last week!

Not nearly enough.

>I'm not sure if scratchy discs are really worth defending the good
>name of?

Don't buy scratchy vinyl. You can hide those tiny little CDs in their awful
plastic devil-boxes, but you can't override a defect or speck of crud.

>If vinyl fidelity is so good, why weren't we using
>Vinyl-ROMs with our computers?  :-))

What's a computer?

I resist the idea that "fidelity" applies to a sampled medium. Adequate
digital-to-analog conversion, when it happens affordably (via a super amp),
will offer high fidelity par excellence. Until then, it's all a LIE!

If digital recordings are so good, why is the industry exploring reverse
engineering: hi-tech ways to [re-]introduce the warmth of analog?

[Though I agree with him, I did think Mr. Diamond was going a bit too far,
and I'm leaving this field of battle right now.]

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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Sumac & Tiki Lounge
Date: 23 Sep 1996 12:51:22 -0400

>    All this said, if you're in town, I would go...I guess it just
>needs a little support, and hopefully things will pick up.

Yes, a grand convergence for another righteous, mid-atlantiki bar. Mango
juice, Extra-Jumbo flavorless olives, tiki light strings, butterfly chairs,
the works. We'll rent rickshaws to arrive in. And bring our own copies of
Ritual of the Savage. Leis of puka shells. Next stop, Mansfield, PA.

Seriously, what's up with Yma Sumac, her health, and the Birchmere on the
28th? Tix, prices, availability, address of the Birchmere, who's going?


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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Music for White Folks
Date: 23 Sep 1996 13:13:42 -0400

>I know this - I was just surprised at the RCA suggestion that this
>"fake" music was in some sense *better* than the "real"!  But, I
>agree, this doesn't make Exotica any less interesting and I will
>certainly keep my ears glued to it for some time!

A lot of exotica is NOT fake. The presentation of records almost always is
hokey, but you put any bunch of greasers in a record company office and see
if what comes out is the same as what goes in. Record companies consider it
their job to screw around with (improve, refine, domesticate) talent.

I don't see what's fake or hokey about Cook Labs' (Connecticut!) as-is
treatment steel drummers, calypsonians, and Brazilian samba-ers. There is a
lot of authenticity sneaking in in some Baxter, Denny, and Prado music (just
shut them peepers and crank it up). Even Cugat and Ros had their moments.
The Duke of Iron almost single-handedly preserved authentic Trinidadian
calypso for DECADES with no loss of face or popularity. Then there's
Folkways and Rounder and whatnot.

As for exotica classica, Ravel's Bolero tops the list of "orientalism" on a
mass scale. I'd love to see someone connect the dots, right on up to "Flight
of the Bumblee Bee." Ever hear the Ventures do that? When the Twist went out
of style, the renamed their "Bumble Bee Twist" as "The Wasp." Stinging!

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From: "Walter Estrella" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Bell Book & Candle
Date: 22 Sep 1996 20:25:44 -0700



Chrysler Mighuel Stewart wrote:
I was
> reminded of another great Movie, which I only saw part of many years ago.
I
> was wondering if anybody else had heard of it: It was an Italian Sci-Fi
> Flick called (I think,) "It's a wild, wild, wild Planet" and it was very
> good, with little models which ended up getting destroyed, and visible
> fishing line when things hovered. That part alone made it worth seeing,
but
> also, also- It seemed to have one of the most astounding soundtracks I
had
> ever heard! Not really the type of music that went along with the plot or
> anything- Almost as out of synch as the dialogue was with the actors'
> mouths! Great! I don't remember many specifics about the music; only that
> my mind tagged the soundtrack as good. It seems pretty obscure, however;
> I've never seen it in catalogues, probably about 1966 or so- Italian, of
> course. Hmmm. There was this other film too, and I BELIEVE that it may
have
> been the space movie about the Abomidable Snowmen, terribly dull, but I
had
> it recorded, and the soundtrack was quite organy and delicious, a lß
Walter
> Wanderly. Could this be?!

Hi! I think I saw that movie several yeasrs ago on TNT when they did their
100% weird program. I don't know any thing about it but the soundtrack was
really tripped out! I think I saw the Abomidable snowman movie too. it had
great Jetsons cars!

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From: Bryan Jare Cuevas <[e-mail]>
Subject: Stereo Action Sampler
Date: 22 Sep 1996 12:39:27 -0400 (EDT)

Yesterday I found a Venezuelan RCA Stereo Action Lp from '61
that includes 14 cuts from 14 Stereo Action albums. The actual
record sleeve reproduces the SA format, but isn't on heavy card
stock - nor does it have a separate inner sleeve with the
abstract artwork. Instead all of this is on really thin card
stock (gate-fold) with a picture of the abstract art die-cut
on the cover. A curious find indeed.

"Stereo Action Unlimited!" (RCA LSA-2489)

RAY MARTIN  "The Flight of the Bumble Bee"
MARTY GOLD  "Did You Ever See a Dream Walking"
DICK SCHORY  "Runnin' Wild"
VIC SCHOEN  "And the Band Played On"
LEO ADDEO  "Dancing Tambourine"
KEITH TEXTOR  "Lonesome Road"
GUITARS UNLIMITED PLUS 7  "Expresso"
BERNIE GREEN  "Kiss of Fire"
MARTY GOLD  "The 3rd Man Theme"
DICK SCHORY  "Hernando's Hideaway"
HENRI RENE  "Swanee River"
LEO ADDEO  "Every Little Movement"
RAY MARTIN  "Jericho"
MANNY ALBAM   "Stompin' at the Savoy/Johnson Rag"

bryan c.

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From: [e-mail] (Huge Graphics)
Subject: Mothra?
Date: 23 Sep 1996 11:52:03 -0700

Hey, has anyone heard the song about "Mothra" from the Gozilla movies...?
It has vocals, vibes and a very exotica groove....very cool! What movie
does Mothra appear in (I want the soundtrack record)? My memory isn't what
it used to be....

David Bailey

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From: "Laura Taylor" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Mothra?/ultraman?????
Date: 23 Sep 1996 15:18:14 -0400

                      RE>Mothra?/ultraman?????                     9/23/96

Dunno, David, but it got me on a tagent...By chance, what cartoon/movie music
is available other than the obvious(TV Tunes, Carl Stalling?) and is there,
oh, is there, any music available for my all time Ultra-fave, ULTRA MAN(also
has singing, but no exotic score)
Ultra-Laura
[e-mail]
"It's just my nature to do weird stuff...."

Hey, has anyone heard the song about "Mothra" from the Gozilla movies...?
It has vocals, vibes and a very exotica groove....very cool! What movie
does Mothra appear in (I want the soundtrack record)? My memory isn't what
it used to be....

David Bailey

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: exotica Digest V2 #97
Date: 23 Sep 1996 15:30:45 -0400

In a message dated 96-09-23 02:23:03 EDT, you write:

<< CLASSICAL composers were
 putting out fake ethnic music: the exotica standard "Song of India"
 is from Rimsky-Korsakov's rather bizarre opera "Sadko", and then
 there is of course Puccini with his "Turandot" and "Madame Butterfly"!

 >I detect another thread starting!
 Exotic opera, anyone? >>

or Rimsky-Korsakov's Capricchio Espagnole & Scheherazade (this guy was the
Baxter of his day), Bizet's Carmen...

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From: "Laura Taylor" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Les and Ingmar
Date: 23 Sep 1996 15:33:25 -0400

Does anyone know which Ingmar Bergman film Les Baxter scored?
Thanks,
Lounge Laura
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From: "J. Anton Elmquist" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Mothra?
Date: 23 Sep 1996 15:37:41 -0400

Huge Graphics wrote:
>
> Hey, has anyone heard the song about "Mothra" from the Gozilla movies...?

I hear it all the time - only I just hear Mika and Aya (the drummer and
keyboard player in our band) singing it... I love how "Mothra" in
Japanese is more like "moss-a-ra"...

If anyone knows where there's a recording of this, pleeeze tell us,
'cause I think we should cover it - especially since we're gonna be
adding vibes to our lineup!

- Anton
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Mothra?
Date: 23 Sep 1996 15:48:11 -0400

In a message dated 96-09-23 15:05:05 EDT, you write:

<<
 Hey, has anyone heard the song about "Mothra" from the Gozilla movies...?
 It has vocals, vibes and a very exotica groove....very cool! What movie
 does Mothra appear in (I want the soundtrack record)? My memory isn't what
 it used to be....
  >>

Ummm... Godzilla vs. Mothra?

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From: Dan Townsend <[e-mail]>
Subject: Bongos, Etc.
Date: 23 Sep 1996 14:08:15 -0700

Just to throw in my 2=A2...
I have a pair of worn LP's titled "Bongo Madness" and "Jazz Heat, Bongo
Beat".  Both are on Crown Records and are circa 1960+(?)  Each has a "full
color" cover depicting a woman dancing alluringly to the hypnotic beat laid
down by a man of unknown ethnic origin.  The music contained therein is
instrumental "mood music", if you will, provided by a various artists type
collective led by Buddy Collette.  Very cool arrangements, including
several tunes that are comprised of bongo "solos".  Sound familiar?  Anyone
know the actual dates of these?
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Bongos, Etc.
Date: 23 Sep 1996 17:35:50 -0400

I have that Bongo Madness LP that I found at a garage sale. You're right, the
cover is VERY cool. Looks like it's from the late 50s, early 60s.
Gloria

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From: [e-mail] (Hugh Petfield)
Subject: Applause
Date: 23 Sep 1996 22:43:59 +0100

Applause Records, Hollywood.

..were set up in about 1979 in a fanfare of publicity.  They signed
up several artists, and did a big splash launch in Cannes, France.

Anyone know what happened to them?  And is a sampler record called
"The sound of Applause" ever seen by any of you cool folks in your
travels?

Many thanks,
Hugh.
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From: [e-mail] (Hugh Petfield)
Subject: In praise of CD-records.
Date: 23 Sep 1996 22:43:57 +0100

>Hugh said:
(and I still say it!)
>
>>I'm not sure if scratchy discs are really worth defending the good name of?
>__________________________________________________________________
>
Ford wrote:

>I buy about thirty records to every one CD.  The differences in CD stores
>and record stores are night and day.  I can easily spend a couple of hours
>in a used record store, sometimes crawling around on my hands and knees -
>really!  It is a thrilling experience finding that mint copy of In Cold
>Blood or any other great record

Hugh now says, "Ah Haaaah".  Note the wording:  ..finding that mint copy of...
Yes, I can relate to that!  I recently got a mint copy (stereo and shrink
wrapped) of the Lettermen's 1963 "In Concert" album.  I was delighted, and am
still pleased to get pristine vinyl.  But given the choice, I'd prefer to have
an antiseptic, squeeky clean CD record than an easily scratched, vinyl record.

>
>A well preserved record sounds wonderful - all warm and buttery.  The

Again, I can't disagree, but 'well preserved' is Ford's prerequisite!

This is, therefore, the preferred order of media:

   1.  Compact disc
   2.  8-track stereo
   3.  45 rpm vinyl
   4.  33 rpm vinyl
   5.  Reel-to-reel (mono)
   6.  Cassette
   7.  .wav file

                     ....but I'm prepared to listen to reason!

Hugh.
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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: Ugliest instrument EVER!
Date: 23 Sep 1996 19:03:57 -0400

The famous jawbone of an ass --more hideous than the lurid, full-color,
centerfold spread of an old meat cookbook-- is right there on the jacket of
Enrique Lynch y Orquesta's "Mucho Merengue, Mucho Ritmo" (Columbia). The
obligatory conga and other intruments are there too, but no, they didn't
subject a pretty [blue-eyed] cha cha model to the indignity of posing aside
something so plug-ugly fearsome as the decaying ass 'bone -- with 3 long
rows of teeth! (The music is delightfully loud and fast, yum.)

[Sorry about the batchin' (easier to delete), but life is hard and it wasn't
the bongos killed the beast, oh no.]

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From: [e-mail] (STEFAN KERY)
Subject: Tiki Room Exotic Surf Adventure
Date: 24 Sep 1996 01:20:01 +0200 (MET DST)

Hi,
if you happen to be in Stockholm, Sweden on Friday this week you shouldn=B4t=
=20
miss the Tiki Room Luau and since it=B4s surfing season in Sweden right now=
=20
(complete with rain and ice cold water)we=B4re having a:

Tiki Room (Swedens only authentic Tiki Bar complete with tropical drinks=20
etc, actually the best drinks in town though you can=B4t find Demerara Rum=
=20
here :-(  Exotic Surf Adventure=20
Friday the 27th of September at 7pm.
Live on the pier at 9pm the Barbwires (Swedens best instrumental surf=
 group!)
Midnight Special presented by Stefan "the big Kahuna of the Wild Baltic Sea"=
=20
K=E9ry with the Tiki Revue (that=B4s me singin=B4 Quiet Village, Nature Boy=
 etc=20
with some Hula maids).
Adress: Svarvargatan 2 at Kungsholmen, Stockholm, Sweden.
Welcome!

Aloha,

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From: Taro HOSHIJIMA <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Mothra?
Date: 24 Sep 1996 08:41:34 +0900

In message <v02140b00ae6c29e49fc1@[205.134.228.120]>
   "Mothra?"
   "[e-mail]" wrote:

huge> Hey, has anyone heard the song about "Mothra" from the Gozilla movies...?
huge> It has vocals, vibes and a very exotica groove....very cool! What movie
huge> does Mothra appear in (I want the soundtrack record)? My memory isn't what
huge> it used to be....

Should be "Godzilla vs. Mothra" as others have noted, though I'm not
sure about the US-edited versions of Godzilla movies...

The singers (and acting in the film as Mothra-islander girls) are
twin-sister pop duo called "the Peanuts" who were quite popular
in the 60s here in Japan.  That movie was their debut, if my
memory is correct.

They retired in the early 70s.  I remember seeing their farewell
concert on TV and was surprised at hearing their cover version
of King Crimson's "Epitaph" as the finale of the show...

There seems to be growing intersts in the Peanuts these days such as
remixed "disco" versions and popularity of their songs in karaoke
bars.

Taro HOSHIJIMA
e-mail:[e-mail]
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From: Paul Lewis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Drasnin
Date: 23 Sep 1996 20:57:28 -0400 (EDT)


Heya...

Can anyone tell me if Robert Drasnin's "Voodoo" (Percussion Exotique) has
been re-released on CD and if so, whether it's a boot or legit...

thanks...
Pablito


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From: Paul Lewis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Yma / Record plastic sleeves
Date: 23 Sep 1996 21:22:50 -0400 (EDT)


1.  Anyone heard any info on Yma Sumac and whether the upcoming shows
have been cancelled?

2.  Does anyone know where I can acquire some of those Japanese
re-sealable (self-adhesive) plastic record sleeves?  I have a bunch of
records in them and like 'em.  Anyone recommend not using them for any reason?  Is there
anything better out there?

thanx,
Pablito!


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Subject: Re: Drasnin
Date: 23 Sep 1996 21:02:02 -0400

It's on CD, it's legit because I bought it at Tower Records and it's GREAT!!

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: John Barry & "Beat Girl"
Date: 23 Sep 1996 21:09:32 -0400

In a message dated 96-09-23 13:10:11 EDT, you write:

>You mean first appearance on CD? Plural Barry stereo LPs have it (one or two
>might be a remake, but still): John Barry Plays Goldfinger, Great Movie Hits
>of John Barry, etc.
>
>Tony Wilds
>
>

Some clarification: This is the first time Barry's original version performed
by the John Barry 7 & Orchestra from July of 1964 is appearing on CD in
stereo in the U.S. ...the other albums you refer to (someone on the list may
be of better help here) are albums of remakes that Barry did for CBS in the
mid-'70s. By the way, many critics and EMIs' producers at the time felt that
this is the superior version to any of the other versions that appear in the
Bond movies.

Ashley

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Subject: Re: Drasnin
Date: 23 Sep 1996 21:17:44 -0400

It is completely legit...the tracks were  licensed from Robert Drasnin
directly as the rights had reverted back to him...the Cd had to be transfered
from a mint copy of the album as the tapes no longer existed...it's an
excellent album that deserves to be in everyone's exoitca collection.

Ashley

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: John Barry & "Beat Girl"
Date: 23 Sep 1996 21:36:42 -0400

Tony, I apologize for rushing to respond ..."John Barry Plays Goldfinger" was
a United Artists LP that did have (I believe) Barry's original version - now
I have only seen this album in Hi Fidelity, can someone on this who may have
this album in STEREO  tell me if the version of the James Bond theme is in
true stereo, the reason I'm bringing this up is because this version did
appear on CD on the 2 CD set "James Bond 30th Anniversary" but only in mono
making me think that the stereo version may never have been released in
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: "Danger:Diabolik"
Date: 23 Sep 1996 22:07:40 -0400 (EDT)

The title song,"Deep,Deep Down" was released as a single in
>>Italy by the woman who sang it, "Dino".  Sadly, the OST has never
>>been released.
>

I should mention that Brother Cleve is the source of this info; he looked
it up for me when I was desparately searching for the soundtrack.Thanks
Cleve! Needless to say,He <found> his holy grail-The "10th Victim" OST.

>Thanks for the tip, we need more mondo stuff like this.  I already have
>Rhino's "A Fist Full of Film Music".  Do many of the tracks overlap with this?


I have that,too;No,there are <no> duplicated tracks.The guy's scored 500
films-there's plenty to choose from! I heard there might be another Volume
(of "Fistful..") in the making. If anyone from Rhino is on this list....PUT
"DIABOLIK" ON IT!!




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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: John Barry, beat
Date: 23 Sep 1996 22:45:48 -0400

At 09:36 PM 9/23/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Tony, I apologize for rushing to respond ..."John Barry Plays Goldfinger" was
>a United Artists LP that did have (I believe) Barry's original version - now
>I have only seen this album in Hi Fidelity, can someone on this who may have
>this album in STEREO  tell me if the version of the James Bond theme is in
>true stereo, the reason I'm bringing this up is because this version did
>appear on CD on the 2 CD set "James Bond 30th Anniversary" but only in mono
>making me think that the stereo version may never have been released in
>America until now?

Whew! Well, UA 6424 is quite truly real stereo, made in the USA, and
agreeably just 1:57 long. But what am I saying? Isn't it counter-intuitive
that anything this major would be _recorded_ mono-only after 1957 (or 1960
anyway)? BTW, the "Great Movie Sounds of John Barry" version (Columbia
stereo CS 9293) is 2:46, and it's equally counter-intuitive that Mr. Barry
would have reworked even this signature chestnut to death. Of course, there
also are all those Bond compilations (UA again usually) that mix Prado
covers and Barry and Norman etc.

Some great exotica and earlier-recorded "space-age" stuff did leak out in
the 1970s. The Reprise label and Les Baxter et al on Capitol's "Return to
Paradise" are examples. Icky '70s jacket art, but the music mostly is on
target. United Artists, bless it, continued releasing RCA artists after
regular RCA splintered and deteriorated. Hey, it was the '70s, man. The
party had to mutate or end.

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From: [e-mail] (Jack Fetterman)
Subject: Re: Cataloging software
Date: 24 Sep 1996 03:50:24 GMT

On Sep 23, 1996 12:51:03, 'Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>' wrote:


>I do dream of the day when [millions of] songs can be stored in a fluid,
>affordable, digital, computer-controlled, storage medium.
>
>Tony, Record Master

likewise.

as much as i enjoy fondling these old gems, i just don' have any more floor
space. somehow the cover art has to preserved too, of course.

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From: [e-mail] (Jack Diamond)
Subject: Hollywood Exotica
Date: 23 Sep 1996 21:02:26 -0700

Let's face facts kids.  The Exotic Sounds of Martin Denny and Les Baxter,
etc etc etc., this whole movement is a Hollywood Phenomenon;))

There are REAL EXOTIC Artists such as Chaino and other Latin , Latin Cuban,
Afro-Cuban, Latin-African Artists BUT they are different ;)
They DO play POP music too, sure ;))  Like Prez Prado and Xavier Cugat and
whoeverelse BUT they ain't Hollywood Exotica Like Denny and Frank Hunter
and Warren Barker and Les Baxter.  They just ain't;))

THEN there's Outer Spoace Exotica.  A whole 'nother genre of Exotica;))

Are my teeth showing ?

Jack




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From: [e-mail] (Jack Diamond)
Subject: Records are not CD's and Vice Versa
Date: 23 Sep 1996 21:01:59 -0700

>Hugh said:
>
>>I'm not sure if scratchy discs are really worth defending the good name of?
>__________________________________________________________________
>
>I can see the steam coming outta Jack Diamond's ears now!!!!
___________________________________________________________________

> e-mail from: [e-mail] (Hugh Petfield)
>
>My Oxford online dictionary describes
>compact disc as:
>a disc on which information or sound is recorded digitally and
>reproduced by reflection of laser light.
>
>If sound is recorded, then it's a record isn't it?
No Hugh, it's a recording ;)
I'm not being vinylophobic
Really now ?

but

Did you know that when the word BUT is used it negates everything before it
?  Think about it ;)
>I'm not sure if scratchy discs are really worth defending the good name of?

Oh!  And CD's don't get scratched and won't skip or play ?  What kinda CD's
you buyin ' ?

A CD is not a Vinyl Record and a Vinyl Record is not a CD.  WHAT is so
difficult to understand ? ;))

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From: [e-mail] (Jack Diamond)
Subject: Record stores in Japan
Date: 23 Sep 1996 21:02:05 -0700

>"No offense;))  These are not record stores, these are CD stores;))
>
>Jack
_______________________________________________________________________
>I work with mostly Japanese DJ's ,and trust me there are MANY record
>stores in Japan.
_______________________________________________________________________

First of all, this subject and conversation did not startout this way, like
this hence there is NO reason for me to NOT belive that there are record
stores in Japan ;))

It was about someone walking down the aisles of a Virgin Mega Store and
calling it a Record Store.  THAT is a CD store.  Understand the difference
:).  Not what you're talking about.

God this is fun, isn't it ?

NO

Jack ;))




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From: [e-mail] (Jack Diamond)
Subject: Playlist for 8/11/96
Date: 23 Sep 1996 21:42:56 -0700

Hello all ;)

We have a wonderful Keyword Search and thousands of reviews available
simply by clicking ;-)>.  Home Pages and super cool KFJC stuff in general.
Our philosophy, our goal.  Please stop by at www.kfjc.org

KFJC play list 8/11/96 for Jack Diamond
89.7 FM  KFJC Los Altos Hills, CA 94022
Studio Line : [phone]

Thanx,
Jack

 ARTIST                   TRACK                   ALBUM

 Planets                  Chunky

 Dizzy Gillespie w/  Golson Comp.  Just By Myself       (Verve)
 Benny Golson-Tenor and Gigi Gryce-Alto

 Bob Thompson          All the Things You Are      RCA/59
 Lord Sitar            I Can See for Miles         Sound Gallery II **
 Kenyon Hopkins        Construction                Sounds of N.Y.
 Jerry Fielding        Hide and Seek Underground   Scorpio S. Track
 Gert Wilden Orch.     Woman and the Night         Schulmadchen **
 Prez Prado            James Bond Theme
 Baxter, Les           Soolaimon                   Que Mango **
 Andre' Popppppp       French Dondon(Do Do)        Presenting Popp
 Dissvelt, Tom/        Sonik Re-Entry              Song of the
 Kid Baltan                                        2ND Moon
 Phil Baugh/Hal Rugg   Cuttin' a Rugg
 City of Westminster   Loungcore '96 Aka the house of games;-)>
 String Band           Le Blon'                    Easy Prodject 2 **
 Jack Sheldon-Tpt,     Buddy Clark-Bass,
 Bill Holman-Tenor     Marty Paich-Piano           Sheldon Orig
 Mel Lewis-Drums       Charlie's Cavern            Mode, 1957
 Chaino                Breathing Bongos
 Drasnin, Robert       Orinoco                     Voodoo! **
 The Corporation       With Vinnie Bell-Elec Sitar
 Dick Hyman-Elec Harpsicord Lonely Rider           Command
 Frank Chacksfield     Dragnet
 Lalo Schifrin         The Bird                    Liquidator
 101 Strings           Re-Entry to Mog             Astro Sounds **
 Quincy Jones          Fat Poppadaddy   (They Call Me Mr. Tibbs)
 George Cates Orch     Quiet Village (R & B orchestra romp)
 Chico Hamilton Qnt. W/John Carradine-Spoken Word
 Night Song for The    Poetry and Jazz             World Pacific
 Sleepless             Jazz Canto, 1957
 Paul Horn, Fred Katz, Pete Rugolo Composition     Sept., 1957
 John Pisano, L.Bunker Interlude
 Attileo Mineo         Boeing Spacearium,
                       Science of Tomorrow         1951 ;-)>
 Mimi Allen            The Continental             There Goes My Harp
 Lambert, Hendricks &                              Sing a Song of
 Ross (wordless)       One O'Clock Jump            Basie. 1ST Lp
                       Little Pony                 1957 ABC
 Mancini               Monkey Farm                 Gunn # 1! Film
 Guitars Unld          Flight of the Foo Birds     Neal Hefti
 Al Caiola             French Connection Theme
 Mind Expanders        Downtown Trip               67 Dot
 Boogaloo Joe Jones    Poppin'(Bernard Purdie)
 Mark From Menlo Park wins Astro Sounds
 Jack Costanzo         Consternation               Jay Corre-Tenor
                       Gil Barrios-Piano           Carlos Mejia-Conga
 Joe Harnell Orch      Midnight Madness
 Pete Moore Orchestra  Turnpike Lane               **
 Johnny Gregory Orch   M-Squad                     U.K.
 Ray Martin Orch       Pagan Love Song             Dynamica
 Billy May Orch        Johnny Cool Theme
 Esquivel              Lazy Bones     (Mono)
 Gert Wilden Orch      Schulmadchen Report 1
 Larry Wilcox Orch     Little Red Rod              Hot Rod Jazzzz
 Mort Garson           Aries                       Cosmic Sounds
 Pete Rugolo Orch.     Diamond on the Move               58

KFJC 12345 El Monte Road, Los Altos Hills, CA 94022
www.kfjc.org

** denotes available on CD BUT I don't have the time right now to go into
details ;-)>

Not everything else available in _any_ format BUT some are available _but_
only in limited quantities on original vinyl analog format ;-)>

Want to know more about _that_ then please drop me a line

Sincerely,
Jack



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From: J P M <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Record stores in Japan
Date: 24 Sep 1996 01:05:49 +0000

;-/

--
Jason
The Pygmy Taxi Corp
http://www.spacelab.net/~mugen/
Vocod'o'rama
http://www.spacelab.net/~mugen/vocolist.html

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From: [e-mail] (Brother Cleve)
Subject: Re: "Danger:Diabolik"
Date: 24 Sep 1996 01:31:30 -0400 (EDT)

>The title song,"Deep,Deep Down" was released as a single in
>>>Italy by the woman who sang it, "Dino".  Sadly, the OST has never
>>>been released.
>I should mention that Brother Cleve is the source of this info; he looked
>it up for me when I was desparately searching for the soundtrack.Thanks
>Cleve!

Anytime, Signor Riviera. BTW, further research showed no *Italian* release
of the soundtrack, either. What's wrong with these people?!? According to
our pal Ashley Warren, the film was released briefly on laserdisc, so get
your DAT recorders set to "bootleg"  ;-)

> Needless to say,He <found> his holy grail-The "10th Victim" OST.

Now to find the real holy grail....the master tapes so I can remix 'em!! If
I want lo-fi I'll listen to Lou Barlow.

br cleve



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From: [e-mail] ()
Subject: Sheik of Araby
Date: 23 Sep 1996 23:41:51

Just got this lp from a local flea market: More Hawaii in Hi-Fi by Leo Addeo
& His Orchestra.  The opening number "The Sheik of Araby" sounds kinda fun.

Anyone one has more information on this tune? Its rendition of "Song of
India" is wonderful!

Other songs included:

Third Man Theme
Moon of Manakoora
Isle of Paradise, & more...


Would love to hear comments on the album, artist, & songs.



Anthony


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: John Barry, beat
Date: 24 Sep 1996 08:16:48 -0400


>
>Whew! Well, UA 6424 is quite truly real stereo, made in the USA, and
>agreeably just 1:57 long. But what am I saying? Isn't it counter-intuitive
>that anything this major would be _recorded_ mono-only after 1957 (or 1960
>anyway)?

Two  points - 1.) it's interesting that EMI US was unable to locate the
stereo tapes for their 2CD set. 2.) When it came to film recordings, many
tracks were still recorded in mono well into the mid-'60s especially if the
film itself was in mono and especially if there would not be enough music to
release as an LP soundtrack.  This is why on John Barry Vol 3 there are
several themes that Barry recorded that were only avalalbe on 7" (a
non-stereo medium back in '64) and were recorded only in mono.

BTW, the "Great Movie Sounds of John Barry" version (Columbia
>stereo CS 9293) is 2:46, and it's equally counter-intuitive that Mr. Barry
>would have reworked even this signature chestnut to death.

As soon as he signed to CBS they of course wanted his hits re-done. These
recordings are quite good as in many cases Barry does some different
arranging, being freed to do it more for a straight listening experience as
opposed to orchestrating for the on-screen action.

Ashley


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Record stores in Japan
Date: 24 Sep 1996 09:53:45 -0400

At 12:23 PM 9/23/96 +0000, you wrote:
>THey go up not out.
>--

Thousands of feet into the stratosphere.........


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: John Barry & "Beat Girl"
Date: 24 Sep 1996 10:07:06 -0400

At 09:09 PM 9/23/96 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 96-09-23 13:10:11 EDT, you write:
>
>>You mean first appearance on CD? Plural Barry stereo LPs have it (one or two
>>might be a remake, but still): John Barry Plays Goldfinger, Great Movie Hits
>>of John Barry, etc.
>>
>>Tony Wilds
>>
>
>Some clarification: This is the first time Barry's original version performed
>by the John Barry 7 & Orchestra from July of 1964 is appearing on CD in
>stereo in the U.S. ...the other albums you refer to (someone on the list may
>be of better help here) are albums of remakes that Barry did for CBS in the
>mid-'70s. By the way, many critics and EMIs' producers at the time felt that
>this is the superior version to any of the other versions that appear in the
>Bond movies.

Hey folks are we talking about the same thing here?  The "Goldfinger" theme
I'm thinking of, has Shirley Bassey singing the title tune, the exact same
as in the film.  That's the only original version I know of.  I assume John
Barry's orchestra was backing her up.  Yes?  No?  Is this one going to be on
Vol. III?

And my understanding of the James Bond theme was that it initially meant to
be used only for the soundtrack of "Dr. No", but that when the Bond films
really took off after it's release, it then became a standard Bond theme
used in all (or most) of the subsequent films.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Drasnin
Date: 24 Sep 1996 10:07:08 -0400

At 09:17 PM 9/23/96 -0400, you wrote:
>It is completely legit...the tracks were  licensed from Robert Drasnin
>directly as the rights had reverted back to him...the Cd had to be transfered
>from a mint copy of the album as the tapes no longer existed...it's an
>excellent album that deserves to be in everyone's exoitca collection.
>

What label is this on?


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Drasnin
Date: 24 Sep 1996 12:31:09 -0400

This is on the Dionysus label and is part of the "Lost Episode" series.
Gloria

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re:Introduction
Date: 24 Sep 1996 12:38:19 -0400

         Hello,
             My name is Lance Kaufman (alter ego Karla Pundit), formerly of
San Francisco, now living in Flagstaff, AZ. As Karla Pundit I've recently
recorded an album that, despite the  "joke" implication of the name & cover
art, is not a joke at all but an attempt by me to compose & perform the best
music I'm capable of in a genre that I have both listened to & respected for
quite awhile. As "Lance", I've been involved in & recorded a strange variety
of other types of music & my musical tastes as well as habitual record
collecting cover a very wide spectrum in addition to exotica & lounge
music:jazz, 20th century classical, rock & roll, Doo Wop, black gospel, true
ethnic (rather than a lot of Worldbeat) & am even getting into older country
western. My interest in joining this list is definitely not meant to promote
my own music but to correspond & be in contact with information about music
that I love but I will gladly respond to anyone who happens to have an
interest in my recording (either positive or negative). You can E-mail me at
[e-mail]. Bye for now or, as Karla might say, "May your life be like
the elephant's trunk".





                                                                  Lance/Karla

       P.S. Does anyone know where I can find a mint (or close to) copy of
Jack Costanzo's "Bongo Fever" (not "Latin Fever") on Liberty? Also Abbe Lane
with Xavier Cugat on Mercury?

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: [Movie] MOVIE Mothra
Date: 24 Sep 1996 11:00 CST

---------------------------- Forwarded with Changes ---------------------------
From the Internet Movie Database Server:

--Kathy Ramsey

Title:
                                  Mosura (1961)

Aka Titles:
  Daikaiju Masura (1961)
  Mothra (1961)

[snip]

Soundtrack:
- "Mosura ya Mosura"
  Performed by The Peanuts
  Japanese lyrics by Ishiro Honda
  Polynesian lyrics by an unknown Tokyo University student
  Music by Yuji Koseki

- "Daughters of Infant Island"
  Performed by The Peanuts
  Japanese lyrics by Ishiro Honda
  Polynesian lyrics by an unknown Tokyo University student
  Music by Yuji Koseki

- "Mosura"
  Performed by The Peanuts with Beiru [Infant] Island Cast
  Music by Yuji Koseki



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From: [e-mail] (Jack Diamond)
Subject: Jazz Heat/Bongo Madness
Date: 24 Sep 1996 10:06:35 -0700


I have a pair of worn LP's titled "Bongo Madness" and "Jazz Heat, Bongo
>Beat".  Both are on Crown Records and are circa 1960+(?)

provided by a various artists type
>collective led by Buddy Collette.
Sound familiar?  Anyone
>know the actual dates of these?
        Dan

Dan,

Don Ralke's Bongo Madness with Buddy Collette and all those "other
brilliant guys" was released in 1957

Buddy Collette's Jazz Heat Bongo Beat was released in 58
This is _true real_ beatnik jazz!!!

Do you like it ?  With tracks like Bongosville you can't lose;))
Mannnnnnnnnn it is THE cooooooooolest!!!

Jack



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Phil Brito Sings Songs Of Italy
Date: 24 Sep 1996 13:23:48 -0400

Since reading about this lp in various Dean bios, my curiosity has really
been tweaked.

Has anyone ever heard of this album?
If you have it, would you consider taping it & photocopying the cover.

Appreciate any and all help!

Ralph Alfonso
[e-mail]

www.bongobeat.com

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From: Paul Lewis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Yma Cancelled
Date: 24 Sep 1996 13:59:45 -0400 (EDT)


I knew it.  There was no way that this show was going to happen.  I
bought my ticket and threw it on the shelf knowing that the next time I
touched it, I would be bringing it back for a refund.

I called the Supper Club in NYC today and I was told that the Yma Sumac
show is cancelled and will be rescheduled for November.  Yeah, OK.



Paul Lewis                                      [e-mail]
Coordinator of Academic Computing               [phone] [office]
Philadelphia College of Textiles and Science
"We do it because we are compelled."            -Alan Moore


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From: [e-mail] (Hugh Petfield)
Subject: Re: Records are CD's and Vice Versa
Date: 24 Sep 1996 18:56:43 +0100

Oh dear, I didn't realize that opinion was quite as polarized as it is..

>>Hugh still says:
>>
>>>I'm not sure if scratchy discs are really worth defending the good name of?
>>
>>If sound is recorded, then it's a record isn't it?

JaCk Diamond counterblasted with:
  ~  ~
>No Hugh, it's a recording ;)
>I'm not being vinylophobic
>Really now ?
Yup!  Were I a vinylophobe I wouldn't have more LP records than CD records
in my collection.

>Did you know that when the word BUT is used it negates everything before it
>?

There is but one Jack Diamond.  Yes, there IS.

>>I'm not sure if scratchy discs are really worth defending the good name of?
>
>Oh!  And CD's don't get scratched and won't skip or play ?  What kinda CD's
>you buyin ' ?

That's a good point.  I assume I must be handling them correctly, as I've
yet to own a duff CD record (or CD ROM for that matter).

>A CD is not a Vinyl Record and a Vinyl Record is not a CD.  WHAT is so
>difficult to understand ? ;))

Nope, sorry Jack, you'll have to run that one by me again! :-)
Anyway, Tower Records sell CD's.  It's not called Tower CD's, although
I think I'd like it better if they were.  Mmmm, the soulless clank of
empty cd boxes...

I think the thing that attracts me about CD's, is that you can play them
over and over again, and they always sound perfecto.  Whereas with vinyl,
you play it once and if you get an atom of dust it can permanently mar
the fidelity.  I expect you'd have to pay hundreds of dollars to get a
vinyl record player that gave as good reproduction as a CD player costing
$120, or an 8-track player costing $50.  (Incidentally, there's a guy in
the 8-track usergroup who copies CD's onto 8-track, and then plays the
8-track recording but implying to his audience that they're listening to
the CD.  No one ever spots the difference, apparently).

Jack, I hope we can agree to disagree.  I expect back in the 50's there
was a similar sort of thing when 45's started to outsell 78's.

Hugh.
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re:Introduction
Date: 24 Sep 1996 14:31:31 -0400

I recently won your LP from Dionysus Records and I absolutely love it. It's
VERY well done. I don't consider it a rip off or offensive in any way.
Gloria

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From: "Laura Taylor" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Toilet Tissue AND Neglect
Date: 24 Sep 1996 15:27:19 -0400

RE:  Toilet Tissue:  I guess you all (or "ya'll" as we say down South) have
seen the toilet paper commericial with BABY ELEPHANT WALK as incidential
music...I know, I know, I learned the song in my grammar school music class,
but STILL! Kinda tasteless doncha think?
RE:  Neglect:  You!  Yes, ye who knows which Ingmar Bergman film Les Baxter
scored and will not reveal this information...I'm gonna post EVERY DAY until
I get my answer...It's MOST IMPORTANT!
Luv,
Lounge Laura
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From: Dan Townsend <[e-mail]>
Subject: Mel Torme's Health....Cataloging Software
Date: 24 Sep 1996 08:17:01 -0700

Anyone know how Mel is doing?  Why did he have to go back into the hospital?
And, is there a MAC version of the Albumaster or other cataloging software?
All I could find was an icky Windows file in the Shareware website.  Maybe
it is Power Mac compatible? (I didn't try it though).   Thanks
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From: [e-mail] (lou smith)
Subject: Badalamenti update
Date: 24 Sep 1996 21:05:53 GMT

Here's an item which may interst those who followed the recent
Angelo Badalamenti thread.

The Brooklyn Philharmonic Orchestra has scheduled a program
called 'Parables of Death' for 1/24-25/97 at Brooklyn Academy of Music.

The program includes:
Sibelius: The Swan of Tuonela;
Tchaikovsky: Francesca da Rimini, preceeded by M. Faithfull reading from
Dante's Inferno;
Kurt Weill: Selected Songs sung by Marianne Faithfull;
Lukas Foss: Parable of Death, with M. Faithfull narrating the Rilke source;

and A. Badalamenti: The Last Days Of Mankind (World Premiere), with
M. Faithfull singing.

There will be a pre-concert presentation with Robert Spano, Lukas Foss,
and Angelo Badalamenti.

Tickets are available at Ticketmaster or the BAM box office.

>From The People's Republic of Brooklyn
(where the weak are killed and eaten),
Lou Smith

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From: [e-mail] (lou smith)
Subject: Badalamenti update
Date: 24 Sep 1996 21:42:35 GMT

Here's an item which may interst those who followed the recent
Angelo Badalamenti thread.

The Brooklyn Philharmonic Orchestra has scheduled a program
called 'Parables of Death' for 1/24-25/97 at Brooklyn Academy of Music.

The program includes:
Sibelius: The Swan of Tuonela;
Tchaikovsky: Francesca da Rimini, preceeded by M. Faithfull reading from
Dante's Inferno;
Kurt Weill: Selected Songs sung by Marianne Faithfull;
Lukas Foss: Parable of Death, with M. Faithfull narrating the Rilke source;

and A. Badalamenti: The Last Days Of Mankind (World Premiere), with
M. Faithfull singing.

There will be a pre-concert presentation with Robert Spano, Lukas Foss,
and Angelo Badalamenti.

Tickets are available at Ticketmaster or the BAM box office.

>From The People's Republic of Brooklyn
(where the weak are killed and eaten),
Lou Smith

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From: Taro HOSHIJIMA <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Mothra?
Date: 25 Sep 1996 06:44:14 +0900

In message <[e-mail]>
   "Re: Mothra?"
   "Taro HOSHIJIMA <[e-mail]>" wrote:

wy9t-hsjm> Should be "Godzilla vs. Mothra" as others have noted, though I'm not
wy9t-hsjm> sure about the US-edited versions of Godzilla movies...

Oops, the movie is "Mothra" and has nothing to do with
Godzilla.  My memory has been remixed ;-)  Sorry for
the mix-up.

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From: [e-mail] (lou smith)
Subject: Re: Makers of Smooth Music
Date: 24 Sep 1996 21:52:44 GMT

On Sep 17, 1996 21:08:49, '[e-mail]' wrote:


>Any one interested in "Song/Poem Music" a la "Beat of the Traps"/"Makers
of
>Smooth Music" might want to check out the Website of The Association for
>the Preservation of Song/Poem Music (of which I am a proud,card carryin'
>member!).
>
>http://www.channel1.com/users/fxxm/intro.htm
>Apollo Up!
>Riviera

You got a CARD?!?
I never got a card.
I'm gonna have to talk to Phil about this!!

--Lou
BTW, what song/poem earned you your Field Rep status?
I added Columbine NST-16 to the data base to earn my FR status.

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From: [e-mail] (James Langdell)
Subject: General meaning of "record"
Date: 24 Sep 1996 13:02:39 -0700

[e-mail] (Jack Diamond) said:
>It was about someone walking down the aisles of a Virgin Mega Store and
>calling it a Record Store.  THAT is a CD store.  Understand the difference
>:).  Not what you're talking about.

So, how long has it been since Virgin Stores have sold any megas?
I think this name is a fraud on the public!

Actually, I like to see "record" or "recording" serve as a handy
umbrella term for "chunks of stuff that through some sort
of technological magic contain some audio material you can listen
to at will".  I don't flinch when those words are used for
LPs, 45s, 78s, cylinders, CDs, wire spools, tape reels,
cassettes, or even VHS tapes used to capture wads of music.

Also, "album" makes sense to me as an umbrella term for an
"artifact holding several shorter selections of music or
one huge piece of music", whether the music is held on
one or more LPs or cassettes, or several 78s or 45s with
similar mixed or extended sound content.

Otherwise, there don't seem to be any compact terms to
identify these broad categories of things.  When you
need to be fussy about distinguishing vinyl from CDs,
or 45s from LPs, those general words (recording, record,
and album) can be fitted with short modifiers.

Can anyone suggest more effective terms to use if
you insist on "records" being nothing but vinyl circles?

--James Langdell       [e-mail]

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From: "Laura Taylor" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Redd Kross/Brian Wilson
Date: 24 Sep 1996 18:08:34 -0400

Two thangs:
1.  Is it indeed true that Redd Kross is in GRACE OF MY HEART? If so, who in
the band is in the film and to what extent?
2.  And, just how available is the film I JUST WASN'T MADE FOR THESE TIMES?
details, please!
Thanks!
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From: " /  dave  /  "  <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Mothra?
Date: 24 Sep 1996 17:16:49 -0500 (CDT)

All this talk of Mothra has that theme going through my head ceaselessly.

FYI, I was paging through the Footlights Records catalog on my lunch break today
('records' - there we go again! It's all music to my ears...) and it lists a
Japanese CD called 'The History of Mothra' as well as the 'Godzilla vs. Mothra'
soundtrack, which is also a Japanese issue. No idea whether the song in question
would've ended up on either of them, but one would think so.

dave

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Drasnin
Date: 24 Sep 1996 19:53:37 -0500

for more in the Drasnin, drop by The Dionysus Room at Vik's -
http://www.chaoskitty.com/t_chaos/diony.html


in swank,
Vik


Vik Trola's Lounge Of Self Indulgence
http://www.chaoskitty.com/t_chaos/lounge.html




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From: [e-mail] (Huge Graphics)
Subject: Re: Redd Kross/Brian Wilson
Date: 24 Sep 1996 17:09:31 -0700


>1.  Is it indeed true that Redd Kross is in GRACE OF MY HEART? If so, who in
>the band is in the film and to what extent?

my friend told me that RK is Matt Dillon's Brian Wilson-esque character's
back-up band...

>2.  And, just how available is the film I JUST WASN'T MADE FOR THESE TIMES?
>details, please!

I've seen it on video at the local video store....and on PBS.

David

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Toilet Tissue AND Neglect
Date: 24 Sep 1996 21:32:31 -0400

In a message dated 96-09-24 15:44:35 EDT, you write:

>RE:  Neglect:  You!  Yes, ye who knows which Ingmar Bergman film Les Baxter
>scored and will not reveal this information...I'm gonna post EVERY DAY until
>I get my answer...It's MOST IMPORTANT!


 Les Baxter NEVER did a soundtrack for an Ingmar Bergman film!  (That should
save some postings!)

Ashley

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: John Barry & "Beat Girl"
Date: 24 Sep 1996 21:52:45 -0400

In a message dated 96-09-24 10:16:42 EDT, you write:

>Hey folks are we talking about the same thing here?  The "Goldfinger" theme
>I'm thinking of, has Shirley Bassey singing the title tune, the exact same
>as in the film.  That's the only original version I know of.  I assume John
>Barry's orchestra was backing her up.  Yes?  No?  Is this one going to be on
>Vol. III?
>

There was a misunderstanding due to the title of the United Artists album
"John Barry Plays Goldfinger" We were discussing the appearance of the John
Barry original version of "The James Bond Theme" which appears on CD in a
stereo version for the first time in the U.S. on John barry  The EMI Years
Vol 3. There are only two previous appearances of this track in the US - the
first on vinyl only on the "John barry Plays Goldfinger" album  and later on
EMI's "James Bond 30th Anniversary" 2 CD set which surprisingly only
feratures the mono mix.

>And my understanding of the James Bond theme was that it initially meant to
>be used only for the soundtrack of "Dr. No", but that when the Bond films
>really took off after it's release, it then became a standard Bond theme
>used in all (or most) of the subsequent films.
>

Actually the music was originally intended for the very purpose where it
first appears during the " through the barrel of a gun" pre-title shot -  as
a theme to musically communicate the "coolness" of  the James Bond character
prior to his appearance in the film proper.

One thing people on this list might be interested in knowing is that Barry's
total wages, including royalty for all the theme's uses throughout the years
ammounts to around $300.  That's what he was paid under a work for hire
arrangement when he was brought in to salvage the theme that Monty Norman had
unsuccessfully written for the Bond character.  Barry was hired knowing these
conditions (this was a big "in" into soundtrack composing where he wanted to
be) and knowing that because Norman was under contract as the music composer
for "Dr, No" that Barry would not get the songwriting credit! (To this day
Monty Norman's name appears on the credits). As you can imagine he is a
little miffed at how big this piece of music became with respect to his
monetary reward, but in the long run he sure got a lot of work because of it!
By the way Monty Norman still claims he wrote it. Barry's response was "If
Monty Norman wrote it why isn't still scoring the rest of the [James Bond]
movies?" - Case closed!

Ashley




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From: "Jim Gerwitz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Mothra?
Date: 24 Sep 1996 19:21:03 -0700


Some desperate soul wrote:

> If anyone knows where there's a recording of this, pleeeze tell us,
> 'cause I think we should cover it - especially since we're gonna be
> adding vibes to our lineup!
>
Intrada Records has a Mothra 1961 soundtrack on sale for a meager $44.99.
Peanuts for the Peanuts ?  Unfortunately, no track listing provided in
their on-line catalog.They have a ton of other unusual items listed,
although I have not ordered anything from them yet.

Intrada's e-mail address is [e-mail]   or search the web to dl
catalog. FAX [phone]

Moth-a-rah-hah !!! Wasn't that how the song went ?   Hmmm, four syllables,
maybe this could become the Japanese Macarena ? Grab the cage bars, gaze up
into the sky, flap your wings, there's half the moves already. Maybe
Pizzicato 5 can get this craze rolling in time for the Superbowl halftime
show....


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From: "Jack Weber" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Monorail Twist & Telstar
Date: 24 Sep 1996 21:19:13 -0700

íHello Swingers!
    ┐Does anyone know where to find jazz band, or full band arrangements of
Monorail Twist or Telstar.?
                        íCiao!
                        -Jack Weber

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From: [e-mail] (Brother Cleve)
Subject: Re:Introduction
Date: 25 Sep 1996 00:46:00 -0400 (EDT)

>             My name is Lance Kaufman (alter ego Karla Pundit), formerly of
>San Francisco, now living in Flagstaff, AZ. As Karla Pundit I've recently
>recorded an album that, despite the  "joke" implication of the name & cover
>art, is not a joke at all but an attempt by me to compose & perform the best
>music I'm capable of in a genre that I have both listened to & respected for
>quite awhile.

Welcome. I got a copy of this LP (Dionysus ID123336), and I was quite
pleasantly surprised by it. Having been put off long ago by the jokey
aspects in some quarters of the "lounge revival" (wonder why ComEd doesn't
have opening acts anymore??), I wasn't sure just what to expect with this
record. But, hey, I think it's great. The playing and writing are top
notch; the whole thing is really well done "in the spirit". Search out the
vinyl for the complete experience, and toss it on to liven up your next
soiree.

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From: "Chrysler Mighuel Stewart" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Monorail Twist & Telstar
Date: 24 Sep 1996 22:58:07 -0700



----------
> From: Jack Weber <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Monorail Twist & Telstar
> Date: Tuesday, September 24, 1996 9:19 PM
>
> íHello Swingers!
>     ┐Does anyone know where to find jazz band, or full band arrangements of
> Monorail Twist or Telstar.?
>                         íCiao!
>                         -Jack Weber
>
Hello from Rev. Chrysler Mighuel Stewart!
    Hey Jack Weber from Mars, I saw your posting, and thought it might help to
do a little bit of qualifying to aid in your search!
    First, Telstar- Great song- swell version by the Ventures, etc., Everybody
knows that one,
But: "Monorail Twist"- THAT might be a little too vague and obscure... So
for anyone who is able to help: The Monorail Twist was an original
arrangement from the Jackie Souders and the Official 1962 Century 21
Seattle World's Fair« Band. It may be a little to localized for many of you
to even know about- but there is still a chance... Anyway, the song, I
believe was arranged by Bernard Press, a trombonist-arranger who had worked
with many of the Big Bands of the late 1950's. The song has a really Big
Band feel, which lends itself more to Ballroom type stuff, rather than
twisting, as the name implies. The arrangement Jack spoke of is on a
souviegnier record- Released on Seafair Records. The first side has all
'ethnic' arrangements, to capture the 'World' theme of the Fair: Hava
Nageela (Jewish), La Seine (French), Karlsbad Ball (Scandanavian), Non
Dimenticar (Italian), and Greensleeves (English). The Second side has some
of the original compositions, as well as some Washington Collegete Fight
Songs.
    The Monorail Twist is by FAR the coolest selection on the disc, and, since
it is written on a Band scale, it is quite possible that the arrangement is
floating around somewhere- (or more likely, stashed away in some old trunk
or closet or something.)
    Hope this info is of some use to someone...
            For the Lost-
                Rev. Chrysler Mighuel Stewart
                    [e-mail]
                http://www.cnw.com/~pettit

PS: If anyone wants to know more about the Seattle World's Fair- or wants
to trade stories and lore, please feel free to contact me...)


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From: "D.J. Johnson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:Introduction
Date: 24 Sep 1996 23:28:29 -0700 (PDT)



On Wed, 25 Sep 1996, Brother Cleve wrote:

> Welcome. I got a copy of this LP (Dionysus ID123336), and I was quite
> pleasantly surprised by it. Having been put off long ago by the jokey
> aspects in some quarters of the "lounge revival" (wonder why ComEd doesn't
> have opening acts anymore??), I wasn't sure just what to expect with this
> record. But, hey, I think it's great. The playing and writing are top
> notch; the whole thing is really well done "in the spirit". Search out the
> vinyl for the complete experience, and toss it on to liven up your next
> soiree.

Agreed 100%.  It's a wonderful record.  Not at all a prank recording, but
a tribute.  Welcome to the list, Lance.

Deej


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From: [e-mail] (Jack Diamond)
Subject: Karla Pundit
Date: 24 Sep 1996 23:33:14 -0700

Hello,

I just reviewed your CD for KFJC not 2 hours ago and I gave it quite a nice
write up.
I liked it.

Sincerely,

Jack



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From: [e-mail] (Jack Diamond)
Subject: no subject
Date: 24 Sep 1996 23:45:15 -0700

just wanted to say thanks to all who participated;))

"Record collecting is no mere hobby, no leisurely innocuous diversion.
It's a feverish passion bordering on dementia, driving those under its
influence
(including myself) to irrational, compulsive and sometimes fanatical
extremes"  JD 3-93

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From: Jan Fornell <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Mothra
Date: 25 Sep 1996 17:26:00 +0900

The original "Mothra" film from 1961 tells the story of how two
30 cm tall girls are kidnapped from their mysterious polynesian
island and are forced to perform in a Tokyo show. By singing their
song in some fake "polynesian" (extraterrestrial?) language, they
summon the mighty Mothra to their rescue...
Genuine exotica, for sure.
Mothra later appeared in a couple of Godzilla movies, and recently
there have been a few remakes. The very latest Mothra movie will
be premiered next week at the Tokyo Fantastic Film Festival.

I first saw "Mothra" on Swedish TV when I was a kid, and never
forgot the magical song. Here in Japan I found it on a 7 inch
single about ten years ago, and a couple of years ago I remember
seeing a disco version of it on a CD single. I assume the original
version is still available in some form; I can try to find out
more if anyone is desperate.

Jan

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From: [e-mail] (STEFAN KERY)
Subject: Re: Tiki Room Exotic Surf Adventure
Date: 25 Sep 1996 13:21:33 +0200 (MET DST)

Aloha aikane,
this is a message to Tony Wilds.=20
Mahalo nui for the mail and kind words. I tried several times to reply to=20
you but there seems to be something wrong with your adress? that=B4s why I=
=B4m=20
posting it here.

You said you didn=B4t believe in our surf.

Your welcome over here to see for your self. You can surf just outside=20
Stockholm at for example Tor=F6 (we=B4re the band the Barbwires are from) or=
 on=20
the "Swedish Hawaii"; Gotland. A big island just a couple of hours from=20
Stockholm by boat there you=B4ll find at least 30 breaks!
So we do actually surf, longboards of course.
All the best

Stefan/Subliminal Sounds

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From: "Laura Taylor" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Les-Ingmar 2
Date: 25 Sep 1996 11:09:49 -0400

                      Les-Ingmar 2                                 9/25/96



>>> Les Baxter NEVER did a soundtrack for an Ingmar Bergman film!  (That
should
save some postings!)

Ashley


Ashley, I would have written you back directly, but I don't have your
address...How do you know this?  I read somewhere that Les did indeed score a
Bergman, and the writer was looking at the irony that Baxter had written
soundtracks for the likes of both Ingmar and Ed Wood, jr...hmmm....This is  a
mystery unfolding, no?
Thanks,
Lounge Laura
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From: [e-mail] (lou smith)
Subject: Easy CD2
Date: 25 Sep 1996 16:49:39 GMT

I just found this item.
Looks like it might be useful to those (unlike myself) who
have Win95.
Have fun.
--Lou

Easy CD2 - CD Track Names Via The Internet

EasyCD2 is an audio CD player that is fully integrated with the cddb
Internet servers and local database of over 13,000 CD's. EasyCD2 can
query the cddb servers or a local copy of the database for the CD
artist, title, and all the track names. In addition, EasyCD2 has
built-in SMTP (Simple Mail Transfer Protocol) e-mail support that
allows you to contribute information on CD's you own that are not
in the cddb database.
Current Version: 2.1
Operating System: MS Windows 95
Software Type: shareware
Anonymous FTP:
ftp://ftp.simtel.net/pub/simtelnet/win95/music/esycd210.zip

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Monorail Twist & Telstar
Date: 25 Sep 1996 13:57:02 -0400

Actually, the hit version of Telstar was by The Tordadoes.
Gloria

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Redd Kross/Brian Wilson
Date: 25 Sep 1996 17:41:44 -0400 (EDT)

Too bizarre! I was just listening to a bootleg (so lynch me!) of "Smile"
that I bought today, and thinking how bad the faux-Beach Boys music was in
"Grace of my Heart"

>Two thangs:
>1.  Is it indeed true that Redd Kross is in GRACE OF MY HEART? If so, who in
>the band is in the film and to what extent?

Jeff and Steve McDonald play members of Matt Dillon's band "The Beach
B-"..er.."The Riptides".They actually have small speaking parts.While "Jay
Phillips" is working on his "Smile"-type record, they provide the Mike
Love-esque voice(s) of discouragement. Also of note in "Grace of my Heart",
and relevant to this list, is the fact that Miss Lily Banquette of
Combustible Edison provides Bridget Fonda's singing voice!(On one of the
better songs,too)

>2.  And, just how available is the film I JUST WASN'T MADE FOR THESE TIMES?

I've seen it in my local video store...I'm short on details, though. Sorry!

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Will the real J.E. stand up?
Date: 25 Sep 1996 21:17:34 -0500

Okay, I know I read this somewhere, but can't find it.  Does anybody know
who the real people were behind the godawful and humorous performances of
Jonathan and Darlene Edwards (they recorded on Columbia)?  Jo Stafford was
Darlene, I think.  The person who owned my LP before me scribbled her name
in.  However, also scribbled was Leonard Bernstein... but I think he was
just too busy to have time to perform that badly.  Anyway, their music was
quite a hit on the Mr. Smooth Hour two weeks ago on High Plains Public Radio.

Byron "Mr. Smooth" Caloz
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Will the real J.E. stand up?
Date: 25 Sep 1996 22:59:57 -0400 (EDT)

>Okay, I know I read this somewhere, but can't find it.  Does anybody know
>who the real people were behind the godawful and humorous performances of
>Jonathan and Darlene Edwards (they recorded on Columbia)?  Jo Stafford was
>Darlene, I think.

Jo Stafford was Darlene and Mood Music pioneer Paul Weston was
Jonathan.Neither bore any relation at all to the guy who hung around the
shanty putting a good buzz on.


-Riviera



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From: "Indulis R. Rutks" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Will the real J.E. stand up?
Date: 25 Sep 1996 22:39:23

On Wed, 25 Sep 1996 21:17:34 -0500,
Mr. Smooth wrote...
>Okay, I know I read this somewhere, but can't find it.  Does anybody know
>who the real people were behind the godawful and humorous performances of
>Jonathan and Darlene Edwards (they recorded on Columbia)?  Jo Stafford was
>Darlene, I think.

They were Jo Stafford and Paul Weston. BTW, I believe Mr. Weston just days
ago passed on to the great Tiki Lounge in the sky.


- Indy Rutks ([e-mail])




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Subject: Re: Will the real J.E. stand up?
Date: 25 Sep 1996 23:52:16 -0400

Howdy, Mr. Smooth!

So glad to hear you enjoy one of my long-time faves!  I've been enjoying
Jonathan and Darlene Edwards' brilliantly warped performances since I was a
young teenager, and I'm 47 now!  Some exoticans may remember a sock puppet
named "Miss Worm" who sang torch songs on "Captain Kangaroo."  Actually, she
was lip-synching Darlene's precariously off-pitch recordings, stumbling
rhythms and all!

<<Does anybody know who the real people were behind the godawful and humorous
performances of Jonathan and Darlene Edwards (they recorded on Columbia)?  Jo
Stafford was Darlene, I think.>>

You are correct about Darlene Edwards being Jo Stafford, who has built a
great career as a jazz vocalist.  What's perhaps less well known is that
Jonathan Edwards is in reality her husband, Paul Weston, who was
composer/arranger/conductor/pianist for is own big band, the Paul Weston
Orchestra.  Paul and Jo's "legitimate" works are impeccable!

But their skill is never more evident than as their alter egos, Jonathan and
Darlene.  It must be heard to be believed!  However, some of my most
competent musician friends never stop shaking their heads in disbelief
whenever I sneak one of these jewels onto the turntable.

I'm not certain about nowadays, but their early works have been recorded on
the Corinthian label, which I've heard Jo Stafford now owns.  I may be wrong
about this, but it's what I've heard.

My favorite recording by J & D Edwards is "Sing Along With Jonathan and
Darlene Edwards."  The entire album is a fabulous send-up of Mitch Miller and
the Gang.  I am in utter awe of the precision with which the robotic-sounding
male chorus handles Paul Weston's synchopations and false starts.

Exotic?  Well, that's debatable.  Fun?  Undeniably!

Beau di Audeau

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From: TOR <[e-mail]>
Subject: Bergman
Date: 26 Sep 1996 06:21:13 +0200

Pardon
I wish I could contribute with more Info in this my debut at the list, but=
 due to my surname I feel obliged to comment some debates... Mr Ingmar=
 Bergman has a reputation of disapproving traditional film-scores. "The=
 enviromental sounds are music to my ears", he explained once. Why put music=
 upon music? ( not exactly the same opinion as mr Denny) When he didn`t=
 involve "classical" themes he used modest swedish composers as :von Koch,=
 Nordgren, etc. As a fan of Baxter I tried to find information regarding=
 their co-operation. My guess is the films that the U.S. paid for: Ormens=
 =E4gg ( the serrpants egg), or the one in a post-war athmosphere with=
 Elliot Gould. I=B4m as curious as=20the next guy/woman. I would be truly=
 suprised to find out that he`s been using the magnificent Les Baxter. From=
 "Mini skirt mob" to swedish anxiety. If so there is still hope for the=
 world... Part from that I must say that "Bongo Madness" is not a great=
 musical experience, but who cares when it comes with a cover like that...
happy days: Tor Bergman


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From: expo tky047 <[e-mail]>
Subject: Record Store in Japan, again
Date: 26 Sep 1996 19:28:04 +0900

We call the vinyl record "analog" disk, [a-na-log-ban] to distinguish from
CD. In fact there are so many vinyl shop, where 30,000 -100,000 of vinyl
would be in stock. Some of them do not have a signboard at the front of
shop, and some of them are not around Shibuya and Shinjuku. It makes foreign
people difficult to find out record in a few days. But Tokyo is a treasure
island of vinyl records. Especially the stock of Latin music is great. As to
local re-issue, you can get them at $20 - 25 while original pressing at $120
- 300.

And Tokyo's club scene has been interesting more and more. If you come to
Japan in this fall, you can find a increidible, magnum, silly, crazy,
easy-listing-typed electro breakbeats album, titled "Las Roturas" - produced
MOODMAN, and mixed by young Japanese DJs & Sound creators. There are no
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From: [e-mail] (D. Scott Springer)
Subject: Grace of my Heart soundtrack
Date: 26 Sep 1996 12:00:06 GMT

Greeings:

Does anyone know if MCA has released (or will release) a single of
Bacharach & Costello's "God Give Me Strength?" I bought the Grace
soundtrack about two weeks ago, but unfortunately there is not an
instrumental version (sans Costello's vocals) of this cut. In the film
there is an instrumental version (when Jay Phillips is rehearsing the
orchestra in the studio), so I was hoping that perhaps this would be
offered as side 2 of the single.

Best regards,
Scott

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Les-Ingmar 2
Date: 26 Sep 1996 08:17:11 -0400

Hello Laura
- being a cinema studies major in college and having to sit through many many
(!) Bergman movies I can tell you that Baxter never scored a Bergman movie.
 Bergman has worked primarily with an all Swedish cast and crew throughout
his career (usually those associated with his theater group), also Baxter's
foray into film scores during Bergman's time was primarily Roger Corman,
American International biker, hippie, sci-fi,horror and beach party movies,
certainly something that Ignmar would turn his nose up at and not even
consider working with someone associated with.  Unfortunately very little of
Baxter's music during this time was made commercially available, as in most
cases the films were drive-in fodder and not felt worth soundtrack albums
(remember at this time in the mid to late '60s Baxter was considered past his
artistic prime, he couldn't get a record deal after being dropped from
Capito,l for many years).  I do know that Tower Records (the '60s label not
the record store) who featured usually 2 to 3 Baxter tracks amidst guitar pop
stuff on albums like the "Wild In The Streets" soundtrack are rumored to be
slated for reissue  (I think they are connected with either WEA or UNI now).
I hope this helps clear up the erroneous statement that someone made.

Regards
Ashley

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Psychedelic soundtracks question
Date: 26 Sep 1996 10:51:06 -0400

At 08:17 AM 9/26/96 -0400, you wrote:
>I do know that Tower Records (the '60s label not
>the record store) who featured usually 2 to 3 Baxter tracks amidst guitar pop
>stuff on albums like the "Wild In The Streets" soundtrack are rumored to be
>slated for reissue  (I think they are connected with either WEA or UNI now).
>I hope this helps clear up the erroneous statement that someone made.

I understand the the soundtrack to "The Wild Angels" (1966) is being
released on Curb Records, which features Davie Allan & the Arrows.  A recent
issue of Goldmine had an article on pschydelic soundtracks and I would like
to know of some good ones that are available on CD.  Anyone have any
recommendations?  Does anyone know of any others besides "Wild in the
Streets", that are scheduled for release?

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From: "Laura Taylor" <[e-mail]>
Subject: for ashley-apologies to res
Date: 26 Sep 1996 11:22:13 -0400

                      for ashley-apologies to rest                 9/26/96


Hi, Ashely...again, I don't have your address, so I'll waste space here on
the list!  Thanks for your reply...Have you ever heard this...is it a
subterranean myth of some sort?  It could have been in one of the INCREDIBLY
STRANGE MUSIC books...but...there are errors in that, too, I believe....like
that Les scored SWITCHBLADE SISTERS.  I just saw that, and it was so cool,
that I *had* to see who wrote the sound-track...wasn't him, tho...Hey, while
I have your eyes, I have trouble getting Scamp stuff here in Tampa, FL...any
suggestions?  Do you have a catalog or web page?
>>>I do know that Tower Records (the '60s label not
the record store) who featured usually 2 to 3 Baxter tracks amidst guitar pop
stuff on albums like the "Wild In The Streets" soundtrack are rumored to be
slated for reissue  (I think they are connected with either WEA or UNI now).
I hope this helps clear up the erroneous statement that someone made.

do tell more about this!  Any discographies of Tower stuff around?  I know
they had the Standells, among other grrrooooovvvyy bands.
Thanks!
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Combustible Edison Tour Dates
Date: 26 Sep 1996 11:32:22 -0400 (EDT)

Thought I'd pass these along...quite a few places on this tour that CE has
never played before.


>Warm-up weekend....
>October 10 Albany,NY......QE2
>        11 Hoboken,NJ.....Maxwell's
>        12 Washington,DC..9:30 Club
>
>
>October 25 Northampton,MA...Iron Horse Music Hall
>        26 Rochester,NY.....Bug Jar
>        29 Lawrence,KS......Granada Theater
>        30 University City,MO...Cicero's
>        31 Madison,WI.......Caf=E9 Montmartre (Halloween!)
>November 1 Minneapolis,MN...Fine Line Caf=E9
>         2 Chicago,IL.......Double Door
>         4 Grand Rapids,MI..The Reptile House
>         5 Cincinnati,OH....Sudsy's
>         6 Columbus, OH.....Stache's
>         7 Cleveland,OH.....The Grog Shop
>         8 Toronto,ONT......Lee's Palace
>         9 Detroit,MI.......Detroit Institute of the Arts
>        11 Nashville,TN.....Exit Inn
>        12 Memphis,TN.......Barristers
>        14 Dallas,TX........Rehab Lounge
>        15 Austin,TX........Electric Lounge
>        16 Houston,TX.......Sattelite Lounge
>        17 New Orleans,LA...Howlin' Wolf
>        20 Tampa,FL.........Rubb
>        21 Orlando,FL.......Sapphire Supper Club
>        22 Gainesville,FL...The Covered Dish
>        23 Atlanta,GA.......The Point
>        25 Carrboro,NC......Cat's Cradle
>        26 Baltimore or Philadelphia (TBA)
>        27 New York,NY......Tramps



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From: [e-mail] (Mark Turner)
Subject: Re: Les-Ingmar 2
Date: 26 Sep 1996 09:55:47 -0700 (PDT)

> - being a cinema studies major in college and having to sit through many many
> (!) Bergman movies I can tell you that Baxter never scored a Bergman movie.
>  Bergman has worked primarily with an all Swedish cast and crew throughout
> his career (usually those associated with his theater group), also Baxter's
> foray into film scores during Bergman's time was primarily Roger Corman,
> American International biker, hippie, sci-fi,horror and beach party movies,
> certainly something that Ignmar would turn his nose up at and not even
> consider working with someone associated with.  Unfortunately very little of
> Baxter's music during this time was made commercially available, as in most
> cases the films were drive-in fodder and not felt worth soundtrack albums
> (remember at this time in the mid to late '60s Baxter was considered past his
> artistic prime, he couldn't get a record deal after being dropped from
> Capito,l for many years).  I do know that Tower Records (the '60s label not
> the record store) who featured usually 2 to 3 Baxter tracks amidst guitar pop
> stuff on albums like the "Wild In The Streets" soundtrack are rumored to be
> slated for reissue  (I think they are connected with either WEA or UNI now).
> I hope this helps clear up the erroneous statement that someone made.

I know that back in the 60's Roger Corman distributed a few of
Bergman's films, such as HOUR OF THE WOLF, in the U.S.  Perhaps
Corman commissioned a new score for the English-language version?

--
 Mark Turner
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From: [e-mail] (Johan Dada Vis)
Subject: I want to broadcast YOUR radio shows!
Date: 26 Sep 1996 19:39:09 +0100

        just started a new exotica radio show on a local station called
"Scorpio" in Leuven, Belgiums largest university town; Scorpio is one of
the last remaining free-form radio stations in Flanders; we do not
broadcast commercials.
        I'd love to broadcast some other exotica shows from around the
world; I know this list has many people who make or made radio shows, so if
you like the idea of finding a brand new audience, please contact me:
<[e-mail]>
        I have a slot of 1 hour; your show can contain _anything_ (yes,
even bad language :-) as long as it is _exotica_ ... you know, the stuff
discussed in this group? No Cage or Stockhausen or other "esoterica" or
musique concrete please ... well ... at least not too much of it :-)
        Best (and easiest) would be to tape (part of) your show on a (new!)
120 minute compact cassette with dolby C NR. (there's no DAT or MD at the
station).
        I'll pay for your tape and postage costs, or swap for one of my own
shows (which are all non-stop). To get an idea of what I do, jump to the
play lists on my home page:
DADA'QUARIUMS Exotica: "http://www.ping.be/~ping1241/"

        Hope to hear from all you radioactive exoticats!

        = Johan |)/\|)/\ Vis



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From: [e-mail] (Johan Dada Vis)
Subject: Re: Magoo in Hi-Fi
Date: 26 Sep 1996 19:41:19 +0100

[e-mail] (Jack Fetterman) wrote:

>i just picked up an amzing cd, dennis farnon's "mother magoo suite."
>the mother magoo suite was originally the flip side of mr. magoo in hi-fi
>on this cd, the metropole orchestra tracked down dennis farnon, and with
>the original score, faithfully reperformed the mother magoo suite

        what label is it on?

        thanx!

        = Johan |)/\|)/\ Vis



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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Drasnin
Date: 26 Sep 1996 14:36:03 -0400

At 12:31 PM 9/24/96 -0400, you wrote:
>This is on the Dionysus label and is part of the "Lost Episode" series.
>Gloria

You mean "Voodoo: Exotic Music of Polynesia and the Far East" on HiFi/Tops
actually is being rereleased? It's a nice record, and it is exotic despite
some serious geographical-insecurity problems. I put the packaging just a
notch above the Hawaiian Holiday record that has a picture of West Indians
on the cover.

Did Mr. Drasnin favor us with any other panterranean pandemonia?

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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Records wholier than CD's
Date: 26 Sep 1996 14:36:05 -0400

>the fidelity.  I expect you'd have to pay hundreds of dollars to get a
>vinyl record player that gave as good reproduction as a CD player costing
>$120, or an 8-track player costing $50.

Get a clue. My $3, $5, and $20 platter turners all outperform low-end CD
players. When I did get a CD player, I splurged on one with both capable
high-end reproduction and direct digital output (for the day when the
machines catch up to the recordings). Your $300 or less Circuit City CD
player may give you the illusion of sound quality (through expanded dynamic
range), but a good ear can hear what's missing in a CD versus LP test. (The
Ramones' Mania LP was laughable on CD). I regret getting the CD player, the
more so as it's replacement is due out in matter of weeks (DVD).

Records require attention, coordination, and CARE. They are not fast-food
confection. They fill you up like the gristling globules of gristle Dad usta
cook on the grill outside. And many of the earliest records remain hardier
than more recent ones. And they're a bargain, mall-shoppers, a true bargain.


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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: In praise of CD-records.
Date: 26 Sep 1996 14:37:34 -0400

>This is, therefore, the preferred order of media:
>
>   1.  Compact disc
>   2.  8-track stereo
>   3.  45 rpm vinyl
>   4.  33 rpm vinyl
>   5.  Reel-to-reel (mono)
>   6.  Cassette
>   7.  .wav file         ....but I'm prepared to listen to reason!

1. 78, to impress the date! Ukuleles work too
2. 45, cuz fast is alive, and a good jukebox is no jive
3. 33, the perfect 12 inches (for those with the minimal coordination)
4. HIGH-bias cassette, and only bc it's recordable and ubiquitous
5. CD, mostly a shuck but the random thing has potential; it needs cardboard
6. .wav file, in a few years
7. audio holography

(ok, I might reverse 1-3 over the long haul, but we're talking ideal here)


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Drasnin
Date: 26 Sep 1996 15:45:07 -0400

The cover of the CD, which is titled: Voodoo! the exotic sounds of Robert
Drasnin, has three tikis on the cover. Actually, they look like three tiki
masks.
Gloria

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From: [e-mail] (Matthew Baron)
Subject: Fwd: New Film
Date: 26 Sep 1996 12:23:40 -0500

Just got this mail today.  Anyone see this?  Or did I totally miss the
discussion about it?

>Just plugged into your nicely constructed web site.  Thought I'd let
>you know that a film called Swingers is coming out that is totally
>about the West coast lounge scene.  It's a real guy-bonding film in a
>nice unhomophobic or violent way.  They just moan about girls and hang
>out and dress slick and have cool drinks.  It's funnier than it
>sounds.  You should check it out.  It's nice to see a film about a
>subculture that isn't made from an outsider's point of view, and isn't
>trying to sell anything.
>


Matt
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From: [e-mail] (Brother Cleve)
Subject: Re: Psychedelic soundtracks question
Date: 26 Sep 1996 16:36:18 -0400 (EDT)

>I understand the the soundtrack to "The Wild Angels" (1966) is being
>released on Curb Records, which features Davie Allan & the Arrows....
> Does anyone know of any others besides "Wild in the
>Streets", that are scheduled for release?

I've seen both "The Wild Angels" and "The Trip" in stores. I heard that
Mike Curb got all his soundtracks as part of his split with CEMA
(Tower/Sidewalk were Capitol subsidiaries, and they still own the
non-soundtrack material), so it wouldn't be a surprise to see many of the
best selling titles ("Hells Angels On Wheels", "Devil's Angels", "Born
Losers" etc). The only complete Baxter track was "Hell's Belles".

It would be nice if they released these tracks as 2fers, since almost all
the biker tracks are under 30 minutes long. But you know they won't.

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From: [e-mail] (Huge Graphics)
Subject: Re: Records wholier than CD's
Date: 26 Sep 1996 15:03:47 -0700

>Get a clue. My $3, $5, and $20 platter turners all outperform low-end CD
>players. When I did get a CD player, I splurged on one with both capable
>high-end reproduction and direct digital output (for the day when the
>machines catch up to the recordings). Your $300 or less Circuit City CD
>player may give you the illusion of sound quality (through expanded dynamic
>range), but a good ear can hear what's missing in a CD versus LP test. (The
>Ramones' Mania LP was laughable on CD). I regret getting the CD player, the
>more so as it's replacement is due out in matter of weeks (DVD).

Maybe with a $100-200 cartridge...And who cares about DVD? It's not that
dificult to make machines that are backwardly compatible (there are just
too many audio and computer CDs out there...)

When I bought my really fancy Denon CD player I put on my old vinyl copy of
Bowie's Scary Monsters and then the CD. Sure the vinyl is warmer (if you
are really paying attention) but I heard things on the CD that I had never
heard before! Nothing's perfect, it's all subjective.

David

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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Drasnin
Date: 26 Sep 1996 19:19:47 -0400

At 03:45 PM 9/26/96 -0400, you wrote:
>The cover of the CD, which is titled: Voodoo! the exotic sounds of Robert
>Drasnin, has three tikis on the cover. Actually, they look like three tiki
>masks.
>Gloria

Yes, I saw it on the web site before my post got out the door. Still, it was
fun to dredge the embarassment of the original LP. As a "tiki" art purist, I
would call them abstract or neo- tiki-esque masks. The tiny world collection
of authentic Oceanic art is in fact very tightly defined and catalogued. And
"tiki" as a noun means a statue, not a mask.

Tony "wadda stinker he is" Wilds


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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Psychedelic soundtracks question
Date: 26 Sep 1996 19:48:21 -0400

>The only complete Baxter track was "Hell's Belles".

As opposed to the Baxter "Hell's Belles" soundtrack LP?

>It would be nice if they released these tracks as 2fers, since almost all
>the biker tracks are under 30 minutes long. But you know they won't.
>
>br cleve

Ditto bc there was a second volume of the Wild Angels LP (neither are so
great). Note that the Wild Angels song "Arriba" by Joe Leahy was done
slightly differently by Mr. Leahy on his own. There's a mod brass comp LP
called "The New Brass Beat" which features that track and a GREAT "Spanish
Flea" by Billy May (the May LP it's drawn from also is super mod).

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From: Kevin <[e-mail]>
Subject: joe meek
Date: 26 Sep 1996 20:07:35 -0400 (EDT)

heya,
recently found a music :) store that actually had a joe meek cd section.
there were many choices and not knowing what to get i'm a bit dumbfounded.
can someone recommend the best "just getting started" joe meek compilation?
there's several volumes of the joe meek story, each volume profiling a
specific group.  then there's some other comps with various bands.  i
bought a double cd set like this and dug it.  but it wasn't "way out" or
too weird or experimental as i had anticipated.  still pretty nice.

kevin leeeee


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From: [e-mail] (Clark Scheffy)
Subject: Re: Records wholier than CD's
Date: 26 Sep 1996 17:33:34 PDT

I had to jump in here...

CD's are subjectively and objectively inferior to records.  This
is demonstrable on both accounts.  Check out the recent issue (
or any issue, really) of Stereophile.  If you look at reviews
of digital equipment, they will print scope images of sine
waves played through various digital equipment.  The sine
waves should look smooth (as they do from a vinyl or
other analog source) but instead look choppy and plateaued
in places.

This is because a CD is a data stream of SAMPLES yes SAMPLES
of the sound source.  The process of digitization requires that
the machine (DA converter) interpolate between individual samples
and output an analog signal which can be amplified.  The process
also relies on a tranform that requires the sampling rate be twice
the maximum frequency response - this is why CD's max freq. is
22.05 kHz and the sampling rate is 44.1 kHz.  This is also why
particularly sibilant timbres such as cymbals and the like are
affected by CD "jitter" and will sound clipped and synthetic
in digital formats.  An analog source such vinyl or high speed
tape is essentially uninhibited by these problems - the "sample"
rate (there isn't one, but for analogy's sake) is essentially
infinite and jitter and frequency response problems don't
exist in the same way.

Also, CD's have a certain amount of space for information in each
sample period, that is 44.1 thousand times per second, a cd player
spits a packet or "byte" of information to the D/A converter.
This byte is not fully utilized at low volumes and this is why
so much music is compressed to hell on modern recordings - if
you lower the recorded volume, RESOLUTION GOES DOWN!  This is bad
bad bad and isn't as much of a problem with analog sources.  A quiet
record may be noisier, but dynamically it's more subtle and has
a wider range than a CD.

One other thing - even if you spend most of your money on records
at a "collector's" vinyl store, the same number of CD's will put
you in the poorhouse quicker...   A decent turntable with an
excellent cartridge (like Sumiko Blue Point, or BPS, the new Shure
cartridge, or many others) will outperform a CD player of similar
cost.  Good D/A conversion doesn't take place until you are
in the 6-7 hundred dollar range for CD players.  At this price,
jitter problems tend to be less prevalent.  However, the CD
technology itself ain't improved by a 5 million
dollar CD player and I will gladly sell my CD player for 5 million
bucks to anyone who thinks it sounds better than my old BIC
turntable and Sumiko Blue Point.

Anyway, back to Sterophile... They did a number of subjective
"tests" (they weren't too scientific) in listening rooms in
the recent hi_Fi 96 thing and reports were unanimous with both
audiophile and non-audiophile spouses/etc. alike.  Analog draws
you into the music more, has a wider dyanmic and frequency
range, deeper soundstage, and more lifelike sound reproduction
in general.  This isn't to say the crappy recycled vinyl used
in alot of new records will sound better overall than CD, but
a good vinyl copy of a recording will.

Does anyone disagree?  :)

Clark

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From: basic hip <[e-mail]>
Subject: The Wild Angels
Date: 26 Sep 1996 18:03:32 -0700

>I understand the the soundtrack to "The Wild Angels" (1966) is being
>released on Curb Records, which features Davie Allan & the Arrows.  A recent
>issue of Goldmine had an article on pschydelic soundtracks and I would like
>to know of some good ones that are available on CD.  Anyone have any
>recommendations?  Does anyone know of any others besides "Wild in the
>Streets", that are scheduled for release?

The Wild Angels is indeed out on CD...cheap too...ten bucks.  Looks like
original album art, no liner notes or photos except for Peter and Nancy on
the cover.  Fourteen tracks - it's all good.  Many are variations of the
Wild Angels theme.  Get fuzzy with Davie...king of the fuzz guitar.

Speaking of guitar....FAT guitar, I also picked up the "Shadows Are Go" CD a
couple of weeks back.  Another fine Scamp effort.  England's answer to the
Ventures.  Lady Penelope's pink car is on the cover with Gerry Anderson like
marionette musicians strummin' their guitars.  Oh yeah.


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Introduction, Pt.2
Date: 26 Sep 1996 21:08:51 -0400


           Hello again,
                    I received a suggestion from Stilgloria & I'm afraid that
I agree that in exposing my "dual personality" that I may have
unintentionally damaged the enjoyment of the full concept of Karla's album.
It may be too late but what I'd like to do is this:from now on there are 2
people at this web site - Lance Kaufman, the "normal" person who enjoys &
collects exotica & Karla Pundit who it is anyone's guess who he is. I know
this is kind of stupid but play along & if you want one or the other of us,
please specify. Besides, if I'm going to be performing (with a band;I can't
deal with those organ foot pedals & what do I use to bang on the percussion?)
sometime in November, I can't walk off the stage after playing this exotic
music & be "plain ol' Lance so I need to develop this other persona anyways.
This may lead to strange psychological complications but bear with me. And
don't tell your friends who I am (unless you want to, that is). Sorry if I
goofed. If you don't specify who you want, look out! Who knows who you'll
get! Goodbye.

                                                 Who-the-hell-am-I anyways?

         I will probably put in a new "straight" introduction in a few days
so new list members won't know the sordid truth of this whole mess.

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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Records wholier than CD's
Date: 26 Sep 1996 21:44:05 -0400

RE: Clark Scheffy's most worthy Mr. Science tome on the hearing beneath the
hype, poor old vinyl versus digital (nose held) sampling.

Bless you a thousand times. I would gladly lay a nice, meaty slab of
rotational ebony heaven on you just for your eloquence and deep factual
penetration. I used to read that sort of stuff, but now I go on instinct,
saving my weakened reading eyes for the all-important liner notes and record
want/for sale lists.

Fi on the tin-eared disbelievers. I see some of you now, spinning that
latest CD a few too many times to justify the blowing of one's allowance (
peace ;) ).

(Still have that old "Band of Gypsies" record worn out in 8th grade; Mom
would come in, tap-dancing to "Purple Haze," and I'd have to kick her out,
saying "But Mooooom, I'm TRYing to REBEL...").

>Does anyone disagree?

How dare they? Sine waves, indeed -- surf's up! Beat before neat! Still
waiting for the complete works of the Duke of Iron (greatest, most popular
recorded, authentic calypsonian) on CD. And he was with RCA, a cinch to reissue.

Tony "post 'n duck" Wilds


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Drasnin
Date: 26 Sep 1996 21:59:31 -0400

Yes, a tiki is a statue, not a mask. After looking at the CD cover for a few
minutes I realized that they weren't really tikis. I remember when I was a
pre-teen we used to wear tikis on narrow leather bands around our necks. The
tikis had red, glass eyes. They were VERY cool. I wish I could find mine.
They were made out of wood and looked handmade. I don't think they really
were, though. This was probably the late 50s or early 60s. They were made
popular by a tv show. What was the name of that show? I think some guy with
the last or first name of Gardner was the star.
Gloria

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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: "Whole Lalo Schifrin Goin' On"
Date: 26 Sep 1996 22:24:34 -0400

"Whole Lalo Schifrin Goin' On" is an actual LP title (my vote for worst ever).

Seeing his name everywhere since the Lalo: Mission Impossible thread.

Recommend Dizzy Gillespie: A Musical Safari (from 1961 Monterey Jazz
Festival, released in 1974 on Booman Records) with its delightfully green
African masks on jacket. With nice bossa novas (Desifinado), intro by Duke
Ellington. Lalo on piano.

Also the Lalo: Marquis de Sade concept LP (Verve stereo; I'm selling
cheapish). Spooky jacket art is perfect for the dignified (it's Verve)
Halloween display, and the music's ever so much more pleasant than the title
might suggest. With more nice bossa novas. More Lalo Schifrin goin' on.

[e-mail]

G'night and go outside and gawk at the last lunar eclipse of the millenium,
those of you on the North Am. continent. The music of the spheres is out
there. (Shhhh.)


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: DVD
Date: 26 Sep 1996 19:36:05 -0700

>I regret getting the CD player, the
>more so as it's replacement is due out in matter of weeks (DVD).

The major film studios still have a problem with copyright issues pertaining to
DVD (Digital Video Disc).  The player rollout has been pushed back to mid to
late '97, although I asssume they'll be available in Japan before that.  And
yes, they should sound great, as the sampling rate will be two or three times
greater than the current 44.1.  There is currently a push from some circles to
make the standard 88.2 for music discs, as that will insure compatibilty with
existing digital masters.  Anybody have more (or different) info?  I'm hoping
for great things from this new format, but as it stands now, (IMO) analog
reproduction is inherently better than a CD, which isn't to say that there
aren't some really great sounding CD's out there.

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From: basic hip <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: The Wild Angels
Date: 26 Sep 1996 19:58:38 -0700


>The Wild Angels is indeed out on CD...cheap too...ten bucks.

Replying to my own post.... the "cheap" ten bucks is actually a bit
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From: "Jack Weber" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re: Records wholier than CD's
Date: 26 Sep 1996 20:16:11 -0700

Clark Scheffy wrote:
(CD's are inferior... waves choppy, plateau.... blah blah)
> This is because a CD is a data stream of SAMPLES yes SAMPLES
> of the sound source.

This is true, but the samples are played so fast that, to the human ear, it
is vitually seamless.

> One other thing - even if you spend most of your money on records
> at a "collector's" vinyl store, the same number of CD's will put
> you in the poorhouse quicker...

Here's something I can agree with. CD's cost a real lot of money. But you
can usually find used CD's at around $9.00 U.S. which is fairly reasonable.
If you buy the same records at a "collecters" store they'd probably be
about the same, or maybe even more. So the best bet is to go to thrift
stores or record stores that don't have any pricing books. Individual
records will run you about $.30 U.S. , and at a record store ( no books)
about $2.00-$4.00 U.S..

> Anyway, back to Sterophile... They did a number of subjective
> "tests" (they weren't too scientific)

íHa!  The tests werent very scientific-- so they don't tell anything. Maybe
the people's ears were messed up.. ┐huh?

Here's a rule for buying music---- "buy it on round disks that spin"
NO TAPES-- They're the ultimate inferior.
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: joe meek
Date: 27 Sep 1996 00:10:19 -0400 (EDT)


>can someone recommend the best "just getting started" joe meek compilation?

Yikes! I'm having a synchronicity-laden week! I just bought "The Joe Meek
Story" yesterday and would like to know more myself. I couldn't find the
Razor and Tie "It's Hard To Believe It" CD anywhere.

Fill me in as well.

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From: [e-mail] (Brother Cleve)
Subject: Re: joe meek
Date: 27 Sep 1996 01:01:29 -0400

>>can someone recommend the best "just getting started" joe meek compilation?
>
>Yikes! I'm having a synchronicity-laden week! I just bought "The Joe Meek
>Story" yesterday and would like to know more myself. I couldn't find the
>Razor and Tie "It's Hard To Believe It" CD anywhere.

Well, the best thing Joe Meek ever did is contained in that book. His life
story is infinitely more interesting than the majority of his productions,
IMHO. But when he was great, man he was GREAT! But Meek produced hundreds
of lame singles, but then again his output was prolific. The aforementioned
Razor & Tie comp has all the true greats. "Have I The Right", which came
out when I was 10 years old, blew me away when I first heard it, and I
still love it; and what can you say about "Telstar". The Triumph CD's have
their moments, but I personally find a lot of it fairly dull. His wildest
work is "I Hear A New World", recorded in 1960, but never released until
1991 (available on a British CD, RPM 103). It was rejected as being too
weird, and it is. I remember hearing it played in a record store in Camden
Town, London a number of years ago (at the same time I was reading the Joe
Meek book, speaking of synchronicity) and asking "Is this Sun Ra, or The
Residents, or.........?" Let me repeat the recording date - 1960. In
stereo. Joe Meek & The Blue Men. An Outer Space music fantasy.

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From: "Chrysler Mighuel Stewart" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Records wholier than CD's
Date: 26 Sep 1996 22:02:04 -0700



Rev. Chrysler Mighuel Stewart here:

    Friends! Exoticats! Lurkers! All this bickering about the quality of CD
vs. Records! Where is it getting us? The argument is as controversial as
uttering P.C. Versus Macintosh! The fact is that both have lots of
potential, each with their own good and bad points. What is key however, is
that Vinyl as we know it was on the indangered species list just a few
years ago- CD enthusists are quick to brand vinyl inferior because of the
attempt to "Phase Out" Vinyl in the late 80's and early 90's. However,
vinyl enthusists fought back demanding that the stores restore the once
thriving market. And they have done just that too! Slowly, records are
creeping back into mainstream music shelves. What's important to remember
is that attacking vinyl is what led to the original phase out in the first
place! It is a good idea to keep an open mind about all formats. While I am
quite fond of purchasing albums on vinyl, I have no qualms about purchasing
a compact disc, should the need arrive. Furthermore, much of the music we
cherish and discuss on this very list was initially released on vinyl, but
is now being rereleased on CD. Nonetheless, it is important to remember our
lo-tech roots, as well as respect our more recent high-tech additions.
        Happiness- We're all in it together!
            By the Grace of God, I remain

        Rev. Chrysler Mighuel Stewart
            [e-mail]
        http://www.cnw.com/~pettit

PS: For the Record, (pun intended) Records, in the eye of our Lord, are
holyier than Compact Discs. I'm a minister; I know.


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From: "Lazlo Nibble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Mailing List Home Page
Date: 26 Sep 1996 23:29:10 -0600 (MDT)

I am happy to announce that the list's home page has finally undergone a
long-overdue major reworking.  You can dip your toes into the links at:

    http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Lists/Exotica.html

--
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From: "Lazlo Nibble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: "Danger:Diabolik"
Date: 26 Sep 1996 23:30:55 -0600 (MDT)

> According to our pal Ashley Warren, the film was released briefly on
> laserdisc, so get your DAT recorders set to "bootleg"  ;-)

The LD release was fairly recent, too, so it should be easy to get.  (The
film's also out as a surprisingly nice-looking sell-though tape, for those
unfortunates without LD players.)

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From: "Lazlo Nibble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fwd: New Film
Date: 26 Sep 1996 23:35:20 -0600 (MDT)

>> Thought I'd let you know that a film called Swingers is coming out that
>> is totally about the West coast lounge scene.
>
> Anyone see this?  Or did I totally miss the discussion about it?

It's not out yet (at least not in most of the world -- last I heard it was
just playing the festival circuit at the moment, and that it was *very*
good).

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From: "Lazlo Nibble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Records wholier than CD's
Date: 26 Sep 1996 23:48:10 -0600 (MDT)

Hey folks, please let this one drop.  The "vinyl vs. CD" debate is like
arguing religion or politics -- it never leaves anything behind but bad
feelings and the ashes of megabytes of wasted bandwidth, and that's not
what I set this list up for.

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From: [e-mail] (Jack Diamond)
Subject: biker trax
Date: 26 Sep 1996 23:00:43 -0700

Tower and Sidewalk were great labels for that stuff.
Also American Intnternational Pictures who _also_ released Les Baxter's
Barbarian is another great biker flick, biker track label.

California's ex Lt. Gov. Mike Curb "supposedly" discovered Davie Allen as
well as The 18th Century Concepts!!! also on Sidewalk I believe.

Another killer all time great 5 star biker soundtrack on SMASH Records is
Hell's Angel's on Wheels (not on CD, HAS to be reissued!!!  Ashley!!) and
then there's Mary Jane on........can't remember (that's a funny name for a
label)
With titles like Gas Hassle and Store Stealing you just can't go wrong.
Instrumental fuzzy pop/psych guitars forever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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From: Brad Bigelow <[e-mail]>
Subject: Joe Meek recommendations
Date: 27 Sep 1996 05:08:05 -0700

If you want to follow Joe Meek beyond the "It's Hard to Believe"
compilation and "I Hear a New World," the best bet is to try to find one
of the CD compilations featuring one of the instrumental groups he
produced:  the Tornadoes and the Fleerekkers both have CDs out on UK
labels.  But I echo the comment that's already been made:  when Meek was
great, he was incredible--but much of his work, particularly with
vocalists--was dreck.

Brad Bigelow
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From: Bruce Rhodewalt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Records wholier than CD's
Date: 27 Sep 1996 02:56:20 -0700

Tony Wilds wrote:
>
> RE: Clark Scheffy's most worthy Mr. Science tome on the hearing beneath the
> hype, poor old vinyl versus digital (nose held) sampling.
>
> Bless you a thousand times. I would gladly lay a nice, meaty slab of
> rotational ebony heaven on you just for your eloquence and deep factual
> penetration.

You all miss an important point when you get on your soapboxes about CDs
vs. vinyl.  If there is an intrinsic difference between the two media,
why does the difference vary from recording to recording.

My favorite worst example is the Jackie Wilson best-of set from the '80s
on Epic: The CD is a pale imitation and totally lacks the oomph of the
LP set.  But most are not that bad.

Is there something in the process that emasculates only the
best-recorded/mixed/mastered LPs?

Thanks.  Now go to bed.

Bruce
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From: Bruce Rhodewalt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Records wholier than CD's
Date: 27 Sep 1996 02:34:06 -0700

Tony Wilds wrote:
>
> Records require attention, coordination, and CARE. They are not fast-food
> confection. They fill you up like the gristling globules of gristle Dad usta
> cook on the grill outside.

Tony,

Surely you mean _glistening_ globules of gristle?  Attractive
alliteration, anyway.

Bruce Rhodewalt
[e-mail]
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: ? to Brother Cleve
Date: 27 Sep 1996 10:33:22 -0500

Will you be onstage with ComEd tonight at the Middle East?  How do I best
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From: Paul Lewis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Records/prices/Bob
Date: 27 Sep 1996 12:18:41 -0400 (EDT)


I was in NYC yesterday (to see The Make-Up at Tramps...  if you don't
know, you should) and had some time to do some record browsing.  Not
buying, mind you, just looking.  I think I'll bring a smaller backpack
next time since I won't be buying anything anytime soon based on those
prices.

Stopped at Bleeker Bob's (an old exotica mailing list favorite :)  )
again for a laugh...  you wouldn't believe some of the prices.  How about
an Arthur Lyman "Yellow Bird" for $50.00 ?  The most mundane,
slightly-exotica related records were in the bins for $30.00 -$50.00.
You know those Hawaiian records that we all see in thrift store bins?  He
had those for $20.00 -$30.00 also.  The sticker on it said: "Martin Denny
sounding" or something to that effect.

Now mind you, some of the records are indeed worth something (albeit not
anywhere near what he is asking), but only Bob would stick 1" x 2" white
labels on the front of the sleeve.  Brilliant.

Also stopped at Footlights.   This is a great store, but they are
certainly charging New York City prices on a lot of the vinyl.  Great
selection of CDs which are priced slightly higher than Tower prices.
Friendly and knowledgable staff which was refreshing for a NYC music
store.

farwell!
Pablito

Paul Lewis                                      [e-mail]
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Philadelphia College of Textiles and Science
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From: Jack Taylor <[e-mail]>
Subject: cd/lp dichotomy
Date: 27 Sep 1996 12:13:42 -0400 (EDT)

I sure wish this Jeremiad about CDs would veer from its predictable,
dreary course.  As always, everyone can get their indie street cred
points by excoriating CDs for their inability to replicate
dog-whistle-range harmonics.  And  while audiophiles fulminate about the
fullness of sound, we forget the one saving grace of the CD:  it's
portable.  When I can figure out how to fit an LP into my pocket, or play
one on any Mac at any freelance gig, I'll toss my CDs like so much offal.

Til then, I'll be

Your's in a Fez *and* a CD Walkperson -

Jack "Not Fetterman" Taylor

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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Records wholier than CD's
Date: 27 Sep 1996 12:46:53 -0400

>Surely you mean _glistening_ globules of gristle?  Attractive
>alliteration, anyway.

Right you are, and I stole that line from a cheeseburger-loving member of
Rude Buddha.

Tony


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: "Fresh Air" on NPR *today*
Date: 27 Sep 1996 11:51 CST


"Fresh Air" is repeating a 1988 interview with Jo Stafford and Paul Weston
today.  It's on right now here (Iowa), but I think it's aired at different times
depending on your NPR station.

Kathy Ramsey

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From: [e-mail] (D. Scott Springer)
Subject: Star Ledger article
Date: 27 Sep 1996 17:42:43 GMT

Greetings:

The New Jersey Star Ledger has a cover story in the "Ticket" magazine of
the Friday 27 Sept issue called "Highballs and Hi-Fi: The Resurgence of
Cocktail Music."  It is definitely worth checking out.

The Ledger in available at Hotalings on 42nd Street.

Best regards,
Scott

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Tikis on T.V.
Date: 27 Sep 1996 14:21:06 -0400


         In answer to Gloria's question, I think the guy was Gardner Mackay &
the show was called "Adeventures in Paradise" (which I believe there is a
soundtrack album of). In addition, another good show would be "Hawaiian Eye"
which, in addition to having Robert Conrad, featured Connie Stevens & Poncie
Ponce & probably had lots of Tikis, too. Also a pretty good soundtrack album
with Connie Stevens' "Cricket" character doing her pseudo-jazz-cocktail
singer schtick. She did a separate album as "Hawaiian Eye's Cricket" with
more of same. Poncie did a solo album, too.

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From: Grant China <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Records wholier than CD's
Date: 27 Sep 1996 08:26:10 -1000

At 07:13 PM 9/26/96 -1000, Rev. Chrysler Mighuel Stewart wrote:
>    Friends! Exoticats! Lurkers! All this bickering about the quality of CD
>vs. Records! Where is it getting us? The argument is as controversial as
>uttering P.C. Versus Macintosh!

Exactly!  This group should be the antithesis of flaming and hot-headed
discussions.  Remember, this group is dedicated to *EASY*!!!  To paraphrase
a Sammy Davis Jr. impersonator on Sat. Night live, "Hey, some cats dig CDs,
some cats dig LPs.  And if it's OK with you, it's OK with the big guy
upstairs, ya dig?"  So relax, pour yourself another Blue Hawaii and throw on
some Martin Denny.  (Notice I didn't say to chill out...)

Aloha,
Grant


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From: [e-mail] (Clark Scheffy)
Subject: not looking for last word
Date: 27 Sep 1996 11:44:10 PDT

OK, so I'm not looking for the last word here... I too want to avoid
flame wars.  I do, however, think the discussion of format
fidelity is a valid one and certainly didn't mean to fan the flames
of tension with anyone on the list.

On another note, a friend of mine recently bought a Lowrey organ
for $175.  These things are not quite collector's items yet, not
like the Hammond B3 at all.  The sound is incredible!  Just listen
to some of Dick Hyman's stuff... This particular model has a det
of drum sounds and some kind of sync with the foot pedals and lower
manual so you can add interesting rhythms to your notes.  Very
cool indeed.  The Hammond sound says RCA to me while the Lowery is
really reserved for the quality seen on Alshire or Project 3.  It
has an entirely different world attached.

Clark

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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Tikis on T.V.
Date: 27 Sep 1996 15:09:30 -0400

>In answer to Gloria's question, I think the guy was Gardner Mackay &
>the show was called "Adventures in Paradise" (which I believe there is a
>soundtrack album of).

There is a four-volume series (first 2 I'm selling), each of which more or
less has Roy Smeck(!), Alfred Apaka, Terorotua & his Tahitians, and the
Islanders (instrumental/steel). The Adventures in Paradise theme is a minor,
exotiki standard on Hawaiian records. Diamond Head is another show, and the
Museum of Television in NYC should have a few more.

In addition, another good show would be "Hawaiian Eye"
>which, in addition to having Robert Conrad, featured Connie Stevens & Poncie
>Ponce & probably had lots of Tikis, too. Also a pretty good soundtrack album

Yes, a BIG wooden tiki (very stage-fake!) on that very LP jacket. Recommended.

>separate Connie Stevens LP as "Hawaiian Eye's Cricket" Poncie did a solo
album, too.

great want-list fodder - thx! (Poncie Ponce was the smiling, uke-playing
Pilipino chauffeur, somewhat like Cato but in a more patrician age).


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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: Sabu's Sorcery, "sexoddica"
Date: 27 Sep 1996 15:58:40 -0400

[This LP will get me to shaddap and get to work on a web site.]

Sabu [& his Percussion Ensemble] was a wildman and the highest point --of
which I know-- where exotica meets jazzbo collectible. I've been told some
3-figure book values (bah). Sabu is mentioned offhand in Incredibly Strange
Music.

Sabu's Sorcery is another in the excellent Columbia "Adventures in Sound"
series, along with [Portrait of] Leda Annest and presumably Delirium in
Hi-Fi. You've got top, hypno-image-monkeyed artwork and the best liner notes
I've ever read (including those excerpted in WFMU's LCD program guide).

One average line in a whole page of fetid delirium, a la J.G. Ballard:

"The rhythmic cadences of nature's boiler room are here, the aural history
of the sex life of a cosmic corn popper..."

And the music is far, far, FAR out. Even these liner notes --which perfectly
capture what "uneasy" exotica's all about-- don't do it justice. Seek it.
Write Columbia every day for re-release. Howl, shriek, and bay.

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Subject: RE:exotica in Japan
Date: 27 Sep 1996 16:17:19 -0400 (EDT)



    According to my girlfriend, who is Japanese, and lived there for
twenty years before coming to the US for school, Rappongi is indeed a
business district, though not a main one, and yes, more so of an
entertainment district. So, in some sense, it is, as I said, business.
Hell, Disney's sales office is located there!

    Also, my statement about a general price of 2500 yen was not for
all of Japan, but an average I noticed in two stores (in Ikebukuro, I
think) Tower, and HMV--both quite tiny. My girlfriend agreed that she
noticed this price being prevalent there as well.

    So, if I was somewhat wrong, I am not totally off the mark.

    Otherwise, geeze, I had no idea Japan had such an amazing
selection of music. And I was in Shibuya and Shinjuku... I may be there
again this January. I am not sure.   I guess it makes sense, considering
her father has a $30,000 stereo system (all old British imported
components too, except for the cd player...a true purist. Then again, he
is a classical guitarist...)

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From: " /  dave  / "  <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Sabu's Sorcery, "sexoddica"
Date: 27 Sep 1996 17:34:02 -0500 (CDT)

Mssr Wilds writes:
> And the music is far, far, FAR out.

Sorcery!

Indeed, this is perhaps one of the most unique and astounding LPs I have in my
collection. I have no idea who died and left this wonderful specimen of exotica
in the stacks of dreck at the local secondhand emporium for me to discover, but
I've never, ever seen another copy. (And I always look.) The Columbia Adventures
in Sound series has a few winners (like the Elsa Popping) that are nearly
impossible to find these days. Does anyone have any background info on the
series? I've posted about Sabu before, but to no avail.

I'd love to know more about the people behind this record - especially the
players. (Who?!) Pounding kettle drums, hypnotic bass lines, Sabu's incredible,
incomprehensible chants and vocalizations, a seductive flute weaving in and out
of the mix, mighty gongs announcing the transitions between the tracks (of which
there are only six, although it's a full-length LP!). The first track seems to
herald the opening of giant stone gates into a netherworld of steamy
subterranean jungle - not a bad place to spend a Friday night.

dave, listening to a 1977 recording on Mimaroglu's Finnadar label of Henry
Cowell's early-20th century piano compositions, some with prepared piano, and
some of which sound like the late-night marriage of Satie and Esquivel.


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Subject: Re: Tikis on T.V.
Date: 27 Sep 1996 19:05:30 -0700



. Also a pretty good soundtrack album
> with Connie Stevens' "Cricket" character doing her pseudo-jazz-cocktail
> singer schtick. She did a separate album as "Hawaiian Eye's Cricket" with
> more of same.

Connie then went to Germany and did a record with Werner Muller of  "around
the world" type songs, most notable for the inclusion of  the exotic "Hajii
Baba" and "Girlfriend of the Whirling Dervish".  She cutsie-poos "Dervish"
to the max ("while he goes out and makes an honest rupee, I go out and make
a lot of whoopie" - only an exotica rhyming dictionary would list whoopie
and rupee) --   But be forewarned, her version of this song is insidious,
almost as insidious as Conniff's "Happiness Is", and it infected my brain
for weeks.

Hajii Jim Baba

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Tikis on T.V.
Date: 28 Sep 1996 02:06:08 -0400

Poncie Ponce's lp has been reissued onto CD

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: I want to broadcast YOUR radio shows!
Date: 28 Sep 1996 02:06:22 -0400

please send me your mailing address and I will forward it to Cyrano and Senor
Amor who have been doing "The Molotov Cocktail Hour" for about 6 years
It is on KXLU college radio in Los Angeles and airs once a week for one hour
Sr Amor also is a pretty famous party dj around LA and did a gig in Colorado
recently for Sub Pop

cheers
Otto von Stroheim
publisher
Tiki News

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From: [e-mail] (Johan Dada Vis)
Subject: Re: "flawed" voices
Date: 28 Sep 1996 19:27:45 +0100

>From: [e-mail]
>
>"Flawed Voices" interest you? Check out the Julian Schnabel CD

        what title please?

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From: [e-mail] (Johan Dada Vis)
Subject: Re: Esquivel Full LP's
Date: 28 Sep 1996 19:28:09 +0100

Jack Diamond wrote:

>Also of note is that something was just released on Turner Classic Movies
>I'm going to review ot for KFJC that has an Esquivel track that was on the
>flip to the 45 of Whachamacallit called Dancing in The Dark.
>
>It's got a few other great titles also including Ann-Margaret, Les Baxter,
>Ferrante & Teicher among many others
>It's music from M-G-M Films

        is this a cd, Jack? what is the title, please?
        thanx!
        = Johan |)/\|)/\ Vis



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From: [e-mail] (Johan Dada Vis)
Subject: Re: we're getting nuttin' for christmas
Date: 28 Sep 1996 19:28:02 +0100

Jack wrote:
>>i fondly remember a single
>>called "we're getting nuttin' for christmas," from my childhood. was this
>>by the "nutty squirrels?"

        maybe, but also by the great Stan Freberg; featued on several
        comps: Christmas comedy classics (priority CDL 9306)
               Dr. Demento presents: greatest xmas novelty cd (Rhino)

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From: [e-mail] (Johan Dada Vis)
Subject: Re: Wickerman
Date: 28 Sep 1996 19:28:17 +0100

>From: [e-mail] (ANITA SERWACKI)
>
>     Anyone ever see a soundtrack for "The Wickerman" and if so
>     is it any good?

        according to an article (or was it a reader's letter?) in a
        Record Collector of a couple of months ago, it was never released
        on LP, which is a shame, as it is beautiful music AND wanted by
        a lot of people

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From: [e-mail] (Johan Dada Vis)
Subject: Blowup presents exclusive Blend 1
Date: 28 Sep 1996 19:30:21 +0100

Blowup presents exclusive Blend 1 (Blow Up 006CD)
great new UK comp in the footsteps of sound gallery, i think a litttle bit
more rocking and less "easy", all KPM material from beloved Alan Hawkshaw,
keith Mansfield and others; only 16 tracks, but all very good IMHO; some
sitar, lots of horns and hammonds.
"www.demon.co.uk/blowup/"

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From: Brad Bigelow <[e-mail]>
Subject: Stanley Black's "Russia"
Date: 28 Sep 1996 12:36:12 -0700

Anyone have a copy of Stanley Black's Phase 4 LP, "Russia" available for
sale?  I've had a desparate request from a skater for it.

Brad
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From: ford <[e-mail]>
Subject: Cocktail Classics from MGM films
Date: 28 Sep 1996 11:44:02 -0700

Johan asked:

>>It's got a few other great titles also including Ann-Margaret, Les Baxter,
>>Ferrante & Teicher among many others
>>It's music from M-G-M Films
>
>        is this a cd, Jack? what is the title, please?
>        thanx!
>        = Johan |)/\|)/\ Vis
____________________________________________________________________________
____________
The following was snipped from Vik's page.  I think this is what you want -
all the "CD stores" :) have it.

Bachelor In Paradise: Cocktail Classics From M-G-M Films
(Rhino Movie Music 72464)

In the 50's and 60's, M-G-M set the high water mark for sophistication in
motion pictures .
The 18 tracks on this CD include soundtrack recordings from M-G-M films as
well as
cocktail interpretations of songs made famous in the studio classic
musicals. The
accompanying liner notes are penned by none other than Joseph Lanza. Not
cheap at
$15.98 list, but less the a movie night for two in the Big Apple...this
swinging collection
premieres on August 20th.

Bachelor In Paradise - Main Title (conducted by Henry Mancini)
Glass Bottom Boat - Bossa Nova Bessie (conducted by Frank DeVol)
Over The Rainbow (Neal Hefti)
Sunday In New York - Main Title (Mel Torme)
Ol' Man River (Cal Lampley)
Bachelor In Paradise - How About You (conducted by Henry Mancini)
Honeymoon Hotel - Love Is Oh So Easy (M-G-M Studio Orchestra)
Where The Boys Meet The Girls - Aruba Liberace (Liberace)
The Mating Game - I've Got You Under My Skin (M-G-M Studio Orchestra)
I Got Rhythm (Ferrante & Teicher)
Temptation (Roger Williams)
Get Yourself A College Girl - The Girl From Impanema (Astrud Gilberto & the
Stan Getz
Quartet)
North By Northwest - Fashion Show (M-G-M Studio Orchestra)
Viva Las Vegas - Appreciation (Ann-Margaret)
Butterfield 8 - Green Dolphin St. (M-G-M Studio Orchestra)
Dancing In The Dark (Esquivel)
The Subterraneans - Coffee Time (Carmen McRae)
Theme From The Brothers Grimm (Les Baxter)
Bachelor In Paradise - End Title (M-G-M Studio Orchestra)


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Tikis on T.V.
Date: 28 Sep 1996 15:10:38 -0400

Incidentally, ADVENTURES IN PARADISE is available on video if anybody is
interested (as is HAWAIIAN EYE, 77 SUNSET STRIP - you just have to look in
the somewhat  listings in PSYCHOTRONIC and FILMFAX and OUTRE).  If anybody
*is* interested in owning videos of HONEY WEST, girl private eye (don't worry
Gloria, your tape is already on order) e-mail me and I'll send you the
address I have.  This particular vendor also sells tapes with all the Monkees
music scenes from the shows on one tape, just as an example.  Somewhat
off-topic, but I assume there would be some crossover in interest).

--David

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From: [e-mail] (Brother Cleve)
Subject: Re: Sabu's Sorcery, "sexoddica"
Date: 28 Sep 1996 15:42:37 -0400

>The Columbia Adventures
>in Sound series has a few winners (like the Elsa Popping) that are nearly
>impossible to find these days. Does anyone have any background info on the
>series?

I have the radio promo 2-record set of Adventures in Sound. It lists (and
has tracks from) the series. Catalog numbers are here for those who enjoy
'em - no, I have no idea why they left out WL 105, 108, or 120, or what
they are. Maybe someone out there knows. Maybe they never released them.
And I don't know if there are more than 23 - I haven't seen any others, but
maybe you have. Fill me in, please

Unbelievably, the liners state that Columbia released all these records at
once, in January 1958.

WL 101 SORCERY -Sabu
WL 102 CABALLERO - Juan Manuel
WL 102 CARIBEE- Juan Serrano
WL 104 EL RODEO - Los Chilenos
WL 106 DELIRIUM IN HI-FI - Elsa Popping & Her Pixieland Band
WL 107 MUSIC FROM THE FILMS - Michel LeGrand
WL 109 GRAND BAL MUSETTE - Jose Baselli
WL 110 THE SOUNDS OF SPAIN
WL 111 BIG BILL'S BLUES -Big Bill Broonzy
WL 112 A MOMENT OF LOVE - Trios Los Panchos
WL 113 MUCHO GUSTO (Mariachi Recordings)
WL 114 PORTRAIT OF LEDA -Leda Annest
WL 115 CARILLON IN HI-FI - Arthur Lynds Bigelow
WL 116 MANDOLINO - San Domenico Barbers of TAORMINA
WL 117 NEOPOLITAN GOLD - Gianni Monese
WL 118 DARK EYES - Boris Sarbek
WL 119 THE SOUNDS OF INDIA - Ravi Shankar
WL 121 JAMAICAN DRUMS (steel bands)
WL 123 FROM THE LAND OF THE GOLDEN FLEECE - Greek Folk Dances & Songs Society

"It's the excitement of the unusual, the rare, the unaccustomed. And hi-fi
fans - 'Adventures In Sound' was just plain made for you!"  - back cover
blurb

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From: [e-mail] (Brother Cleve)
Subject: Re: Esquivel Full LP's
Date: 28 Sep 1996 15:42:43 -0400

>>Also of note is that something was just released on Turner Classic Movies
>>....... that has an Esquivel track that was on the
>>flip to the 45 of Whachamacallit called Dancing in The Dark.

"Dancing In The Dark" is taken from the Reprise album, "More of Other
Worlds, Other Sounds".

The flip side of the "Whatchamacallit" single is "I Feel Merely Marvelous".
This track is found on the upcoming Esquivel Christmas album, "Merry
Christmas From The Space Age Bachelor Pad", due out on October 15.

Juan tells me that he thinks "I Feel Merely Marvelous" is also on the album
"You & The Night & The Music", a compilation album on RCA from 1959
(LSP-2085). The track "I Only Have Eyes For You", which surfaced as a bonus
track on the German CD of "Other Worlds, Other Sounds", is also from this
album. Unfortunately, RCA in New York has no listing of this album in their
database. If anyone finds it, please let me know.

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From: Joe Kilmartin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Tikis on T.V.
Date: 28 Sep 1996 16:50:32 -0400

At 07:05 PM 27/09/1996 -0700, you wrote:

>Connie then went to Germany and did a record with Werner Muller of  "around
>the world" type songs, most notable for the inclusion of  the exotic "Hajii
>Baba" and "Girlfriend of the Whirling Dervish".  She cutsie-poos "Dervish"
>to the max ("while he goes out and makes an honest rupee, I go out and make
>a lot of whoopie" - only an exotica rhyming dictionary would list whoopie
>and rupee) --   But be forewarned, her version of this song is insidious,
>almost as insidious as Conniff's "Happiness Is", and it infected my brain
>for weeks.

HMMMMnnnn... Conniff's "Happiness Is..."

Now THERE'S a LOVE/HATE standard if I've ever heard one....

Just sits in your brain like nobody's business...  Kinda like Sammy Davis
Jr.s "jokey" version of "Ol'Black Magic"...


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From: Joe Kilmartin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Les-Ingmar 2
Date: 28 Sep 1996 17:10:13 -0400

At 11:09 AM 25/09/1996 -0400, you wrote:


  I read somewhere that Les did indeed score a
>Bergman, and the writer was looking at the irony that Baxter had written
>soundtracks for the likes of both Ingmar and Ed Wood, jr...hmmm....This is  a
>mystery unfolding, no?


Ed Wood used a lot of "FOUND" music and stock footage in his pictures.  I
wouldn't be surprised if some of Les' stuff found it's way into a Wood picture.

Now, Bergman...   Bergman doesn't seem too likely.  Unless, again, they were
session music bits used to fill out the bacckground of an English dub of a
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From: " /  dave  / "  <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Sabu's Sorcery, "sexoddica"
Date: 28 Sep 1996 17:13:12 -0500 (CDT)

br cleve wrote:
> WL 101 SORCERY -Sabu
> WL 102 CABALLERO - Juan Manuel
> WL 102 CARIBEE- Juan Serrano, (etc.)

Thanks a lot for posting this info. I have a copy of the sleeve from WL 106
(DELIRIUM IN HI-FI) that came with the record from WL 109 (GRAND BAL MUSETTE).
So if anyone out there has the corresponding vinyl/cover that goes with mine,
'fess up!

> "It's the excitement of the unusual, the rare, the unaccustomed. And hi-fi
> fans - 'Adventures In Sound' was just plain made for you!"  - back cover
> blurb

This must have been a neat series to produce. I still wonder who put everything
together...?

dave


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From: [e-mail] (Jack Fetterman)
Subject: Re: Magoo in Hi-Fi
Date: 29 Sep 1996 03:47:21 GMT

On Sep 26, 1996 19:41:19, '[e-mail] (Johan Dada Vis)' wrote:


>[e-mail] (Jack Fetterman) wrote:
>
>>i just picked up an amzing cd, dennis farnon's "mother magoo suite."
>>the mother magoo suite was originally the flip side of mr. magoo in hi-fi

>>on this cd, the metropole orchestra tracked down dennis farnon, and with
>>the original score, faithfully reperformed the mother magoo suite
>
>what label is it on?
>
>thanx!
>
>= Johan |)/\|)/\ Vis


VPRO EW 9631 EIGEN wijs

produced by Gert-Jan Blom

Holland

They are the same people that released andre popp's "best off (too lazy to
look up real title)" and "delerium in hi-fi." maybe wfmu will carry it. bug
footlight records (note..it's footlight not footlights) to restock.

jack (not Taylor/not Diamond) fetterman
>
>
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From: "Lazlo Nibble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Freberg
Date: 29 Sep 1996 00:39:33 -0600 (MDT)

>>> i fondly remember a single called "we're getting nuttin' for
>>> christmas," from my childhood. was this by the "nutty squirrels?"
>
> maybe, but also by the great Stan Freberg...

Which reminds me of something I've meant to ask: are there any Freberg CDs
out there besides the Capitol Collectors Series entry and the United States
Of America 1 & 2 discs?

--
::: Lazlo ([e-mail]; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo)

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From: Brad Bigelow <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Freberg
Date: 29 Sep 1996 08:56:44 -0700

Lazlo Nibble wrote:
>
> Which reminds me of something I've meant to ask: are there any Freberg CDs
> out there besides the Capitol Collectors Series entry and the United States
> Of America 1 & 2 discs?
>

I saw an article in the WSJ or NY Times within the last two weeks saying
that Stan has a NEW CD of "The United States of America vol. 3" coming
out.  There is also supposed to be a compilation of his earlier work
coming out.

Stan got occasional exposure last year in a recurring bit part on
"Roseanne," by the way.  His 50s crewcut has now been replaced by a full
head of silvery curls, but that voice is unmistable.

Brad Bigelow
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: joe meek
Date: 29 Sep 1996 11:24:03 -0400

I bought "It's Hard To Believe It: The Amazing World of Joe Meek" as my first
Joe Meek CD. It's fantastic! I highly recommend it. It makes me want to buy
more and that's the best critique I can give for a CD. It has 20 selections.
Gloria

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Subject: Re: Freberg
Date: 29 Sep 1996 11:24:52 -0400

At 08:56 AM 9/29/96 -0700, you wrote:
>
>Stan got occasional exposure last year in a recurring bit part on
>"Roseanne," by the way.  His 50s crewcut has now been replaced by a full
>head of silvery curls, but that voice is unmistable.
>

Bring back the crewcut!  Bring back the crewcut!


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Records wholier than CD's
Date: 29 Sep 1996 11:55:24 -0400

<<<The argument is as controversial as
uttering P.C. Versus Macintosh!>>>
ahem....well...I'll just say that in my house IBM means I Bought Macintosh!
Gloria

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From: [e-mail] (Johan Dada Vis)
Subject: some more info about my show
Date: 29 Sep 1996 19:31:28 +0100

"it's a non-stop radio show Jim, but not as we know it" ;-)
        I'm recording the thing on a MiniDisk, and those who have such a
won'erful machine know that it enables one to make perfect edits, to
experiment endlesly with the sequence of tracks...
        Also, I put some soundbits inbetween tracks: old commercials,
B-movie trailers, stuff I've taped from radio and TV, sound FX...
        And finally, some shows contain special mixes, like:
* Giao & Astrud Gilberto's Girl from Ipanema mixed with sounds of waves
  and children playing in and around a swimming pool
* Thurston Knudson's Primitive percussion mixed with jungle sounds
* The Hollyridge Strings' Fool on the hill put on left track and the same
  song on the right track, but with a delay between them of 90 seconds: weird!
* Ralph Carmichael playing Moog while Laurence Olivier rerads from the psalms
* Mars (from the planets) mixed with the sounds from "Forbidden planet"
* Buddy Merrill's Bolero mixed with "Erotica, the souds of love",
  a strange LP i bought from jack with... well, the souds of love, what else :-)

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From: [e-mail] (Hugh Petfield)
Subject: Re: Freberg
Date: 29 Sep 1996 19:04:30 +0100

Brad Bigelow wrote:

>Stan got occasional exposure last year in a recurring bit part on
>"Roseanne," by the way.  His 50s crewcut has now been replaced by a full
>head of silvery curls, but that voice is unmistable.

Wow! Wunnerful, wunnerful, Brad!  Do you know what part he played please?
I'd watch the show if Stan were in it!

Also, I've seen Stan's name in the credits for "Its a mad mad mad mad
world", and watched it intently from end to end without spotting the
great man.  Anyone know where to look for him in this film?

Hugh.
It's in my nature to do crosswords
(apologies to Lovely Laura).

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From: Joe Kilmartin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Freberg
Date: 29 Sep 1996 14:57:14 -0400

At 07:04 PM 29/09/1996 +0100, you wrote:
>Brad Bigelow wrote:
>
>>Stan got occasional exposure last year in a recurring bit part on
>>"Roseanne," by the way.  His 50s crewcut has now been replaced by a full
>>head of silvery curls, but that voice is unmistable.
>
>Wow! Wunnerful, wunnerful, Brad!  Do you know what part he played please?
>I'd watch the show if Stan were in it!

Stan was the Supermarket manager where Jackie and Roseanne were sample
girls.  He has a couple of good laugh lines... Actually, Rosie is really god
at getting work for the people SHE used to laugh at as a kid...


Joe "It's in my nature to remember this stuff" in TO
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From: Joe Kilmartin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: some more info about my show
Date: 29 Sep 1996 15:00:08 -0400

At 07:31 PM 29/09/1996 +0100, you wrote:


>* Buddy Merrill's Bolero mixed with "Erotica, the souds of love",
>  a strange LP i bought from jack with... well, the souds of love, what
else :-)


WOW !! Somebody else has these things.  I picked them up originally thinking
it would be like the Mystic Moods Orchestra.  Boy... it wasn't really...

Those are great mixin' ideas...





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From: Joe Kilmartin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Freberg
Date: 29 Sep 1996 15:03:01 -0400

At 08:56 AM 29/09/1996 -0700, you wrote:
>Lazlo Nibble wrote:
>>
>> Which reminds me of something I've meant to ask: are there any Freberg CDs
>> out there besides the Capitol Collectors Series entry and the United States
>> Of America 1 & 2 discs?
>>
>
>I saw an article in the WSJ or NY Times within the last two weeks saying
>that Stan has a NEW CD of "The United States of America vol. 3" coming
>out.  There is also supposed to be a compilation of his earlier work
>coming out.

The 3rd  USA is already out. There's also going to be some kind of a box set
too, I think...

>Stan got occasional exposure last year in a recurring bit part on
>"Roseanne," by the way.  His 50s crewcut has now been replaced by a full
>head of silvery curls, but that voice is unmistable.

Man... I love his stuff from the Warner Bros. Cartoons he worked on.  Pete
Puma just slayed me...

>Brad Bigelow
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From: Darrell Brogdon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Freberg
Date: 30 Sep 1996 04:25:20 -0500


>Also, I've seen Stan's name in the credits for "Its a mad mad mad mad
>world", and watched it intently from end to end without spotting the
>great man.  Anyone know where to look for him in this film?
>
>Hugh.

He was Andy Devine's deputy in "It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World".  Didn't
have any lines as far as I can remember (at least in the final cut).  But
he's sitting in the back looking over Andy Devine's shoulder in
two or three scenes.

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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Les-Ingmar 2
Date: 29 Sep 1996 19:42:06 -0400

>  I read somewhere that Les did indeed score a
>>Bergman, and the writer was looking at the irony that Baxter had written
>>soundtracks for the likes of both Ingmar and Ed Wood, jr...hmmm....This is  a
>>mystery unfolding, no?
>
>
>Ed Wood used a lot of "FOUND" music and stock footage in his pictures.  I
>wouldn't be surprised if some of Les' stuff found it's way into a Wood picture.

Les was contracted and credited. It's "Bride and the Beast." It's not "found
music" nor is it anything special.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Blowup presents exclusive Blend 1
Date: 29 Sep 1996 21:51:35 -0400

In a message dated 96-09-28 13:35:28 EDT, you write:

>Blowup presents exclusive Blend 1 (Blow Up 006CD)
>great new UK comp in the footsteps of sound gallery, i think a litttle bit
>more rocking and less "easy", all KPM material from beloved Alan Hawkshaw,
>keith Mansfield and others; only 16 tracks, but all very good IMHO; some
>sitar, lots of horns and hammonds.
>"www.demon.co.uk/blowup/"
>
>= Johan |)/\|)/\ Vis

I picked this up...I think it suffers from being too monontonously the same -
too many similar hammond parts, too many similar tempos and there's even 3
tracks repeated from the two Sound Gallery volumes. This is just a quick cash
in INHO, put together with not much finess by the main DJ at London's Blow Up
who is simply not in the same class as The Karminsky Experience  whose
 "Expresso Expresso"has just recently been released - now here is an example
of how to do a great comp...there is a neat Latin theme to it, the sequencing
is expert and creates a real mood and there is  some real variety to the
selections that work very well...

Ashley

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: The Great Vibe Debate - (Throwing down the gauntlet)
Date: 29 Sep 1996 22:13:46 -0400

Here's a posting that's sure to stir up some debate...so let's have a little
fun....

After reading many posts concerning the Martin Denny vs. Arthur Lyman debate,
I think it wouold be interesting to get peoples opinions on Arthur Lyman vs.
Julius Wechter...after spending a weekend with some Baja Marimba Band lps and
being very familiar with his Denny arranging and playing I think is I had to
pick a vibes player from my choice of an exotica supergroup it would have to
be Wechter - even if you were to rate his vibes playing below that of Lyman
(which I think would be very debatable) he has shown himself to be a far more
interesting arranger...but hey, for what it's worth that is just one small
opinion - what do the rest of you think? (By the way just so nobody has the
wrong opinion, I am very excited about the Ryko  Lyman reissues and can't to
add them to my collection) this is merely all in the spirit of getting some
interesting postings....

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From: John Allen Barksdale <[e-mail]>
Subject: Will the real sabu...
Date: 29 Sep 1996 23:01:44 -0400 (EDT)

    This may be a dumb question to you hardcore experts, but is the
Sabu people have been refering to as the recording artist the same guy
who appeared in the 1940 "Thief of Bagdad" and maybe the "Bomba the
Elephant" films ?
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From: [e-mail] (Jack Diamond)
Subject: Beatnik Rodents ;-/>
Date: 29 Sep 1996 21:08:39 -0700

Johan Devis writes;
what is the title of that first lp of The Nutty Squirrels?

The Nutty Squirrels : The Nutty Squirrels
Record label-Hanover which is the very same label that reissued Jack
Kerouac's Beat Generation, 1959, same year.

Al Caiola featured on guitar ;)  Al is _my man_

Jack




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From: [e-mail] (Jack Diamond)
Subject: Nuttin' Fo' christmas
Date: 29 Sep 1996 21:14:11 -0700

>Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 19:28:02 +0100
>From: [e-mail]
>Subject: Re: we're getting nuttin' for christmas
>>>i fondly remember a single
>>>called "we're getting nuttin' for christmas," from my childhood. was this
>>>by the "nutty squirrels?"

I had a 45 about 5 years ago that had 2 xmas tunes on it that were both
non-lp titles.  It was on Columbia BTW which it the label that their 2nd
record was on
It was a promo too so I really wouldn't doubt _at all_ if it indeed was the
Nutty Squirrels.

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From: [e-mail] (Jack Diamond)
Subject: Bachelor in Paradise
Date: 29 Sep 1996 21:22:25 -0700

>>Also of note is that something was just released on Turner Classic Movies
>>I'm going to review ot for KFJC that has an Esquivel track...

Hello,

Mistake about the Esq track bein' the flip of Whachamacallit.
It's not;)
It's from Las Tandas de Garcia Esquivel which was mostly big band dance #'s
except for 2 titles of which this is one in Juan's "Sonorama" style of
arranging.  Dancin' in The Dark.

This LP was released 1 lp before his 1st for RCA (Mexicana) To Love Again


>>It's got a few other great titles also including Ann-Margaret, Les Baxter,
>>Ferrante & Teicher among many others
>>It's music from M-G-M Films (Turner Classic)

It's called Bachelor in Paradise and it's being distributed (?) by Rhino
The # Ann Margaret does just might come from Viva in Las Vegas.
When "y'all" buy it tell me who, OK ?  Good collection and great fun

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: "flawed" voices
Date: 30 Sep 1996 00:30:36 -0400

>"Flawed Voices" interest you? Check out the Julian Schnabel CD

       > what title please?

It's called "Every Silver Lining Has a Cloud". It's not exotic at all, but it
is interesting. It's produced by Bill Laswell and consequently has some
really good players on it. There's something oddly compelling about it and
anyone who has the nerve to repeat "If you leave me, don't come back" over
and over and call it a song deserves some credit. The other songs are more
conventional . I would love to hear some other opinions. If you're gonna buy
it, look for it in the cutout bin.

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From: [e-mail] (Jack Diamond)
Subject: Dancin' in The Dark
Date: 29 Sep 1996 21:39:42 -0700

OK,  I missed again ;)

Dancin' in The Dark by Esquivel which is on the new MGM Classic Film Music
release called Bachelor in Paradise is not from Las Tandas de Garcia
Esquivel BUT on More Other Worlds Other Sounds from Reprise, 1962

Done ;))

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From: [e-mail] (Jack Diamond)
Subject: Leda Annest - Portrait of Leda
Date: 29 Sep 1996 21:39:38 -0700

I think you'll find it toally unique BUT you have to really let it play all
the way through ;-/>
You might start out wondering "what the hell is going on here" BUT when you
hear it, it will knock you for a loop.

There are only 3 titles.  2 on 1 side and then 1 is entire other side
taking you on many a journey!!!

I'm not a real big fan of loooooong pieces BUT this is something else

1 of the tiles was added to The Passions Bootleg CD for all of you out
there that have that, that is who Leda Annest is ;)
What do you think of it and her ?  The music is by Phil Moore.
On the LP, the liner notes tell you nothing at all as to who she is or
where she's from.
Don't you love it ?

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From: Bryan Jare Cuevas <[e-mail]>
Subject: Sunday kinda joy...estate sales!
Date: 29 Sep 1996 15:07:32 -0400 (EDT)

Ok, I just had to report my estate sale discoveries on this
beauuuuutiful Sunday....records, records, records...I luv 'em! And
at $2.50 a piece my heart sings.
GEORGIE AULD        Misty  (Coral CRL-57032)
LES BAXTER          Ritual of the Savage (Capitol T-288)
TONY BENNETT        Because of You (Columbia CL-6221, 10")
TONY BENNETT        The Beat of My Heart (Columbia CL-1079)
HARRY BREUER        Mallet Magic (Audio Fidelity AFLP-1825)
LENNY DEE           Lenny Dee in Hollywood (Decca 4315)
MARTIN DENNY        Exotic Moog (Liberty LST-7621)
BILLY ECKSTINE      Billy's Best (Mercury MG-20333)
BILLY ECKSTINE      The Love Songs of "Mr. B." (Mercury MG-36030)
FERRANTE & TEICHER  Dynamic Twin Pianos (UA WW-7504)
JACKIE GLEASON      Oooooo! (Capitol W-905)
JACKIE GLEASON      Lover's Rhapsody (Capitol H-366, 10")
MARTY GOLD          The Soundaroundus (RCA LSP-3599)
ROY HAMILTON        I'll Never Walk Alone (Epic LN-3294)
DICK HAYMES         Rain or Shine (Capitol T-713)
AL HIBBLER          Starring Al Hibbler (Decca DL-8328)
AL HIBBLER          Here's Hibbler! (Decca DL-8420)
AL HIBBLER          Torchy and Blue (Decca DL-8697)
DICK HYMAN          Mirrors (Command RS-924-SD)
DICK HYMAN          Moog: The Electric Eclectics (Command 938-S)
DICK HYMAN          Fantomfingers (Project3 PR-5057-SD)
MICHEL LEGRAND      The Thomas Crown Affair (UA UAS-5182)
ENOCH LIGHT         Guitar Underground (Project3 PR-5015-SD)
ENOCH LIGHT         Permissive Polyphonics (Project3 PR-5048-SD)
JULIE LONDON        Make Love to Me (Liberty LRP-3060)
ARTHUR LYMAN        Love for Sale! (HiFi L-1009)
ARTHUR LYMAN        Blowin' in the Wind (HiFi L-1014)
MATT MONRO          From Russia With Love (Liberty LRP-3356)
BILLY MURE          Super-sonic Guitars in Hi-Fi (RCA LPM-1536)
RIZ ORTOLANI        Mondo Candido (CBS 80652)
MIKLOS ROZSA        The V.I.P.'s (MGM E-4152)
SAUTER-FINEGAN      Adventure in Time (RCA LPM-1240)
CHRISTOPHER SCOTT   More Switched on Bacharach (Decca DL-75243)
ROLAND SHAW         Themes for Secret Agents (London SP-44076)
ROLAND SHAW         The Return of James Bond (London 2-BSP-24)
TAK SHINDO          Brass and Bamboo (Capitol T-1345)
HAL SHUTZ           Organ and Firelight (Columbia CL-906)
VARIOUS             Music to Read James Bond By (UA UAL-3415)
VOICES OF WALTER
  SCHUMANN          Exploring the Unknown (RCA LPM-1025) - outer
                         space wordless vocals with space
                         narration by Paul Frees!
WARNER BROS. ORCH   Baby Doll (Columbia CL-958)

I gotta go....;))
bryan c.

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From: "Lazlo Nibble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Freberg
Date: 29 Sep 1996 22:59:33 -0600 (MDT)

>> I saw an article in the WSJ or NY Times within the last two weeks
>> saying that Stan has a NEW CD of "The United States of America vol. 3"
>> coming out.  There is also supposed to be a compilation of his earlier
>> work coming out.
>
> The 3rd  USA is already out. There's also going to be some kind of a box
> set too, I think...

Mmm, I thought Volume 2 (the one with John Goodman, et al.) only came out
for the first time a few weeks ago.  Is there really a volume 3 out already?

--
::: Lazlo ([e-mail]; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo)

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From: [e-mail] (Jack Diamond)
Subject: Presenting Poppp!!!
Date: 29 Sep 1996 22:10:49 -0700

Andre' Popp's 2nd LP (I believe) - Presenting Poppp was also released in
Columbia's Adventures in Sound Series.

Yet another masterpiece

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From: [e-mail] (Rex Stocklin)
Subject: Re: Records wholier than CD's
Date: 30 Sep 1996 00:16:12 -0700

>Surely you mean _glistening_ globules of gristle?  Attractive
>alliteration, anyway.

Right you are, and I stole that line from a cheeseburger-loving member of
Rude Buddha.

Tony


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From: [e-mail] (Rex Stocklin)
Subject: "Fresh Air" on NPR *today*
Date: 30 Sep 1996 00:16:38 -0700


"Fresh Air" is repeating a 1988 interview with Jo Stafford and Paul Weston
today.  It's on right now here (Iowa), but I think it's aired at different times
depending on your NPR station.

Kathy Ramsey

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From: [e-mail] (Rex Stocklin)
Subject: Re: joe meek
Date: 30 Sep 1996 00:17:16 -0700

>>can someone recommend the best "just getting started" joe meek compilation?
>
>Yikes! I'm having a synchronicity-laden week! I just bought "The Joe Meek
>Story" yesterday and would like to know more myself. I couldn't find the
>Razor and Tie "It's Hard To Believe It" CD anywhere.

Well, the best thing Joe Meek ever did is contained in that book. His life
story is infinitely more interesting than the majority of his productions,
IMHO. But when he was great, man he was GREAT! But Meek produced hundreds
of lame singles, but then again his output was prolific. The aforementioned
Razor & Tie comp has all the true greats. "Have I The Right", which came
out when I was 10 years old, blew me away when I first heard it, and I
still love it; and what can you say about "Telstar". The Triumph CD's have
their moments, but I personally find a lot of it fairly dull. His wildest
work is "I Hear A New World", recorded in 1960, but never released until
1991 (available on a British CD, RPM 103). It was rejected as being too
weird, and it is. I remember hearing it played in a record store in Camden
Town, London a number of years ago (at the same time I was reading the Joe
Meek book, speaking of synchronicity) and asking "Is this Sun Ra, or The
Residents, or.........?" Let me repeat the recording date - 1960. In
stereo. Joe Meek & The Blue Men. An Outer Space music fantasy.

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From: [e-mail] (Rex Stocklin)
Subject: Joe Meek recommendations
Date: 30 Sep 1996 00:17:39 -0700

If you want to follow Joe Meek beyond the "It's Hard to Believe"
compilation and "I Hear a New World," the best bet is to try to find one
of the CD compilations featuring one of the instrumental groups he
produced:  the Tornadoes and the Fleerekkers both have CDs out on UK
labels.  But I echo the comment that's already been made:  when Meek was
great, he was incredible--but much of his work, particularly with
vocalists--was dreck.

Brad Bigelow
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From: [e-mail] (Rex Stocklin)
Subject: Re: Records wholier than CD's
Date: 30 Sep 1996 00:17:45 -0700

Tony Wilds wrote:
>
> RE: Clark Scheffy's most worthy Mr. Science tome on the hearing beneath the
> hype, poor old vinyl versus digital (nose held) sampling.
>
> Bless you a thousand times. I would gladly lay a nice, meaty slab of
> rotational ebony heaven on you just for your eloquence and deep factual
> penetration.

You all miss an important point when you get on your soapboxes about CDs
vs. vinyl.  If there is an intrinsic difference between the two media,
why does the difference vary from recording to recording.

My favorite worst example is the Jackie Wilson best-of set from the '80s
on Epic: The CD is a pale imitation and totally lacks the oomph of the
LP set.  But most are not that bad.

Is there something in the process that emasculates only the
best-recorded/mixed/mastered LPs?

Thanks.  Now go to bed.

Bruce
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From: [e-mail] (Rex Stocklin)
Subject: Re: Records wholier than CD's
Date: 30 Sep 1996 00:17:52 -0700

Tony Wilds wrote:
>
> Records require attention, coordination, and CARE. They are not fast-food
> confection. They fill you up like the gristling globules of gristle Dad usta
> cook on the grill outside.

Tony,

Surely you mean _glistening_ globules of gristle?  Attractive
alliteration, anyway.

Bruce Rhodewalt
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From: Brad Bigelow <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: The Great Vibe Debate - (Throwing down the gauntlet)
Date: 30 Sep 1996 04:57:51 -0700

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> After reading many posts concerning the Martin Denny vs. Arthur Lyman
> debate, I think it wouold be interesting to get peoples opinions on
> Arthur Lyman vs. Julius Wechter...

>...but hey, for what it's worth that is just one small
> opinion - what do the rest of you think?

Cal Tjader.

Wechter was more versatile in his rhythms than Lyman, but Cal is the man.

Brad
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: The Great Vibe Debate - (Throwing down the gauntlet)
Date: 30 Sep 1996 07:59:55 -0400

Hello Brad

In the "great debate" you mentioned...

>Cal Tjader.
>
>Wechter was more versatile in his rhythms than Lyman, but Cal is the man.
>

I bow to your preferance, yes indeed Cal is the man!.

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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: The Great Vibe Debate
Date: 30 Sep 1996 09:35:17 -0400

As someone in Inc. Strange Music put it, Baja Marimba Band is the most
boring band ever. Except for Wechter's composition "Brasilia" (not Baxter's)
and the permutitle "I'll Marimba You," they are a scourge upon the record
racks. Almost as disappointing as Chet Baker slumming in the Mariachi Brass.
The whole A&M label, Herb Alpert and Brasil '66 notwithstanding, is more of
a nuisance than a boon.

Why not instead discuss highly interesting vibists, such as David Pike?
There are scads of others who equally almost never disappoint. Or for other
ex-Denny men, how about Augie Colon (not a vibist)?

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From: [e-mail] (lou smith)
Subject: Re: Magoo in Hi-Fi
Date: 30 Sep 1996 13:36:45 GMT

On Sep 29, 1996 03:47:21, '[e-mail] (Jack Fetterman)'
wrote:


>VPRO EW 9631 EIGEN wijs
>
>produced by Gert-Jan Blom
>
>Holland
>
>They are the same people that released andre popp's "best off (too lazy to

>look up real title)" and "delerium in hi-fi."

And The Beau Hunks - don't forget them.
Their Leroy Shields/Raymond Scott interpretations are brilliant.
-Lou

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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Whatchamacallit
Date: 30 Sep 1996 09:42:21 -0400

>Mistake about the Esq track bein' the flip of Whachamacallit.
>It's not;)
>It's from Las Tandas de Garcia Esquivel which was mostly big band dance #'s
>except for 2 titles of which this is one in Juan's "Sonorama" style of
>arranging.  Dancin' in The Dark.
>
>This LP was released 1 lp before his 1st for RCA (Mexicana) To Love Again

Mr. Diamond, tsk tsk. Brother Cleve and I already have pointed out the flip
to our copies of the Esquivel "Whachamacallit" 45 ("I Feel Merely
Marvelous"). You may have a different record, fine, but we make no mistake
here. Please, all, make no assumptions when it comes to the magical,
mysterious, ill-organized world of record production and consumption. There
is no end to the damn things.

Tony "call 'em as I see 'em" Wilds

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From: [e-mail] (ANITA SERWACKI)
Subject: Soothing Sounds For Baby
Date: 30 Sep 1996 10:59:42 -0400

     Picked up Vol. 2 of this collection on a thrift spree this weekend
     (intended to ONLY buy clothes-ended up buying 2 marginal shirts, 25
     lps and 15 45's).  Wow - this disc is weird as I don't know what.  I
     remember a thread awhile back about this series.  Ques. - What year
     were these released and what are the other volumes like in comparison?
     A friend said it reminds him of Brian Eno's "Airport Songs".

     Other good finds:
     Cugat's Golden Goodies
     Phase 4 Sampler
     Bongos/Flutes/Guitars - Los Admiradores on Command
     Percy Faith & his Orch - "Delicado" (not a P.F. fan - but this is
     suprisingly good IMO)
     Foreign Film Festival - San Remo Orch. (covers of Fellini music, etc.,
     done in a 20's-30's big band swing style - rather odd
     and intesting)
     "Charade" soundtrack - original pressing, mint - made my weekend.
     Enoch Light & Orch. - Rome 35/MM (nice "O Sole Mio" cover)
     Ray Conniff - "I Write the Songs" (from 1976, awful record, but his
     cover of "Begin the Beguine," complete with 70's 'wah-ka-chic-ka'
     guitar is quite amazing)
     Gary Neuman -"Pleasure Principal" (guilty pleasure-this guy makes
     me laugh and laugh)

     Anita

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From: [e-mail] (ANITA SERWACKI)
Subject: Astrud Gilberto
Date: 30 Sep 1996 11:09:21 -0400

     Anyone in NYC notice that Astrud is performing at S.O.B's
     on Oct. 16 and 17?  Any word on this?

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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: What is Calypso, part 1
Date: 30 Sep 1996 11:29:31 -0400

Calypso is one of three underrated but ESSENTIAL genres also perfect for
rockheads getting a foot in the exotica/space-age door: calypso, mambo
(Prado), and twist (fast, early dance rock). Calypso can be divided into
four periods:

1. Ancient. Some CDs compile earliest, murky 78 recordings. Hard to hear.
2. Golden Age. 1950s - 60s acoustic acts on vinyl, the subject of this post.
3. Decadent. Late '60s - early 70s, electrified, steel drums, for tourists.
4. Soca. Soulful Calypso epitomized by later Calypso King, the Mighty Sparrow.

Calypso originated in Trinidad and the West Indies and spread to the
Bahamas, Bermuda, the Virgins, Jamaica, and other Caribbean islands.
Trinidad is superior, Jamaica is slowest in tempo, and other islands are
very good.

Calypso is characterized by one of the richest lyrical traditions in
history; "instrumental calypso" is an oxymoron until steel drums dominate.
Calypso began in slavery (as did the limbo), which partly explains its power
and lyrical similarities to gospel, blues, jazz, and r&b. Slaves used
[cryptic] singing to communicate under the nose of imperial whitey. True
calypso culminates in the Carnival tradition of crowning a King after
intense competition -- judged by the ability to compose or ad-lib on the
spot on any topic. Calypsonians would enter a town and learn the latest news
before inventing songs about politics, scandal, figureheads, colonizers,
family members, rival singers, etc. It's a marriage between the rhythms of
the African diaspora and the lyrical traditions of the wandering minstrels
of old England (Chaucerian) and Europe.

As with Hawaiian music, calypso is tainted by the ubiquitous tourist
product. Just as Don Ho is no Hal Aloma, the hoarse, religious crooner Harry
Belafonte has almost nothing to do with the greatest all calypsonians, the
Duke of Iron. Hawaiian and calypso share an incredibly deep history of
INCREDIBLY FUNNY songs, the use of unique instruments, extemporaneous
singing, physical expression, and uptempo thrills. Haiti (voodoo) influenced
calypso as did Cuba (mambo y cha cha cha). Out of calypso grew the limbo,
and particularly in the West Indies: soca; in Jamaica: early ska and regay
(reggae).

[Part 2 will address worthy Calypsonian artists and records (as opposed to
actor/country singer Robert Mitchum's fun but misleading novelty record).]

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From: "Lazlo Nibble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Freberg
Date: 30 Sep 1996 09:32:26 -0600 (MDT)

>> The 3rd  USA is already out. There's also going to be some kind of a
>> box set too, I think...
>
> Mmm, I thought Volume 2 (the one with John Goodman, et al.) only came
> out for the first time a few weeks ago.  Is there really a volume 3 out
> already?

Seems I can answer my own question -- according to Mark Evanier's column
in last week's Comics Buyers Guide (Evanier works in the animation biz and
has worked with Freberg, Daws Butler, Paul Frees, et al.) Volume 2 came
out this past July 4 and Freberg hopes to have Volume 3 out in the next
couple of years.

--
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From: [e-mail] (Brother Cleve)
Subject: Re: Presenting Poppp!!!
Date: 30 Sep 1996 11:43:08 -0400

>Andre' Popp's 2nd LP (I believe) - Presenting Poppp was also released in
>Columbia's Adventures in Sound Series.
>Yet another masterpiece

Right you are, Jack (on both counts there). Another release is Popp's
"Paris 1925". Neither of these are the missing catalog numbers in the
series that I posted yesterday.

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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: Ruthie/Noone, Tiny Tim in MD
Date: 30 Sep 1996 13:21:20 -0400

Mark Noone's and wife Ruthie & the Wranglers (hot band!) Oct. schedule:

[Tomorrow, Tues.: Hula Monsters at the Cat's Eye, Baltimore, MD]

05: Rip 'n Ruby ("Mark & Ruthie's hillbilly harmony") at Frederick in the
Streets festival 301/663-8687, including Grandsons of the Pioneers and:

  TINY TIM, who fell off stage at Uke Expo '96 Sept. 28 bc of illness
  --------

11: w/Bill Kirchen/Too Much Fun at venerable Twist & Shout, Bethesda, MD

19: Americana Festival, Montgomery Village, MD

For hot new CD, Wrangler City, send $15 to Ruthie & the Wranglers, 7004
Westmoreland Ave., Takoma Park, MD 20912. Cassette $12. Postage included.
Checks to Ruthie & the Wranglers or order toll-free 800/391-1854.

Tell her Tony "wrangling with a uke" Wilds sent you.
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From: [e-mail] (D. Scott Springer)
Subject: (Fwd) Re: The Great Vibe Debate - (Throwing down the gauntlet)
Date: 30 Sep 1996 17:34:31 GMT

>----- Forwarded message ([e-mail]) -----<


>Wechter was more versatile in his rhythms than Lyman, but Cal is the man.
>

I bow to your preferance, yes indeed Cal is the man!.

Ashley & Brad-

I concur. Not only is his technique extraordinary, he is also quite a fine
composer. His "Breeze From the East" LP is a masterpiece, and the fact
alone that he wrote "Black Orchid" qualifies him for an significiant place
in the vibe hall of fame.

Any Bobby Hutcherson fans out there?

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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: Les Baxter soundtrack list
Date: 30 Sep 1996 13:54:29 -0400

Help add soundtracks to the list, but pls leave out irrelevant tedia such as
the theme song for tv's "Medic." I'll put a star (*) by any title someone
SWEARS is on vinyl (obviously quite a few more than I've starred so far).

Mail edits offlist to [e-mail]. Will maintain and repost results
later for your exotification. Thank yew.

Alakazam the Great
*Barbarian (OST for Goliath & the Barbarians)
Beach Blanket Bingo
Bikini Beach
Black Sabbath
Bop Girl
Bop Girl Goes Calypso
*Bora Bora
Bride & the Beast (glorious Ed Wood movie, music is a yawn)
Cry of the Banshee (excerpted in Evening w/Poe)
Dr. Goldfoot & the Bikini Machine (but not DG & the Girl Bombs)
Escape from Red Rock
Evening with Edgar Allen Poe (called Cry of the Banshee, w/excerpts)
 also: House of Usher, The Raven, Pit & the Pendulum
Fireball 500
Girl in Black Stockings
Goliath & the Dragon
*Greatest Science Fiction Hits (coverage of movie/TV material)
Hell's Belles
Hot Blood
How to Stuff a Wild Bikini
Jungle Heat
Lone Ranger & the Lost City of Gold
Master of the World
Miniskirt Mob
*Music of the Devil God Cult (OST for The Dunwich Horror - rent it!)
Operation Bikini
Panic in Year Zero
Pharaoh's Revenge
Queen of the Gorillas (same as Bride & the Beast, no?)
*Sacred Idol (unreleased film but a great record)
*South Pacific (music from, not OST)
Switchblade Sisters (rumored, confirm?)
Wetbacks (sorry about the slur, but that is the info we have)
*Wild in the Streets (sitar!)
Woman's Devotion, A

Tony "music for a devil cult" Wilds
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From: [e-mail] (D. Scott Springer)
Subject: New York Post article
Date: 30 Sep 1996 17:46:15 GMT

Greetings all-

Well, as I expected, since the Star Ledger ran an article on "The
Resurgence of Cocktail Music" last Friday, the New York Post decided to run
an article TODAY titled "Cocktail Culture: On the Rocks - Saturation Spells
End of Retro Trend."

Jared Stern (who just 12 weeks ago wrote an article about IN HI-FI at Bar
d'O) is the one responsible. Anyway, it just goes to prove that for the
media, the only way to be fashionable is to negate something as soon as
someone else says it is hot.

I think, however, that Joseph Lanza's quote in this article is quite true.

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From: Joseph Holmes <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: exotica Digest V2 #109
Date: 30 Sep 1996 14:16:58 EDT

>His wildest
>work is "I Hear A New World", recorded in 1960, but never released until
>1991 (available on a British CD, RPM 103). It was rejected as being too
>weird, and it is. I remember hearing it played in a record store in Camden
>Town, London a number of years ago (at the same time I was reading the Joe
>Meek book, speaking of synchronicity) and asking "Is this Sun Ra, or The
>Residents, or.........?" Let me repeat the recording date - 1960. In
>stereo. Joe Meek & The Blue Men. An Outer Space music fantasy.

Cleve, don't forget to mention that the CD is available from WFMU's
Catalog of Curiosities at http://www.wfmu.org/Catalog/Sects/inorbit.html:

Joe Meek: I Hear a New World - A bizarre pioneering outer-space rock
fantasy!
Item #22901C, "Joe Meek: I Hear a New World CD."

-=-Joe

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From: [e-mail] (Hugh Petfield)
Subject: Al Caiola
Date: 30 Sep 1996 18:58:48 +0100

In a note about the Nutty Squirrels, Jack noted
>
>Al Caiola featured on guitar ;)  Al is _my man_
>
>Jack

I spotted a big Readers Digest easy listening 10 or
12 record set in our local recorderie, and in the
listings one album was Hawaiian stuff credited to
Al Caiola and orchestra.  D'you think this might be
worth getting?  Other albums seemed a bit too square
e.g. Boston Pops type of thing.

I did buy a two-cassette set of Classics up to date
done by the 101 Strings on the Avon label - that's
Avon as in "Bing bongggg - Avon calling!"  Kitsch or
what?  Good material, including Grieg's piano concerto
done as a cha-cha with bongos.

Hugh.
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From: [e-mail] (lou smith)
Subject: Re: Records/prices/Bob
Date: 30 Sep 1996 18:06:39 GMT

On Sep 27, 1996 12:18:41, 'Paul Lewis <[e-mail]>' wrote:
>Stopped at Bleeker Bob's (an old exotica mailing list favorite :)  )
>again for a laugh...  you wouldn't believe some of the prices.  How about

>an Arthur Lyman "Yellow Bird" for $50.00 ?  The most mundane,
>slightly-exotica related records were in the bins for $30.00 -$50.00.
>You know those Hawaiian records that we all see in thrift store bins?  He

>had those for $20.00 -$30.00 also.  The sticker on it said: "Martin Denny

>sounding" or something to that effect.
>
>Also stopped at Footlights.   This is a great store, but they are
>certainly charging New York City prices on a lot of the vinyl.

So, what *are* NYC prices?
Remember, there's a NYC for tourists and a NYC for NYers.
If you're only around for a short while and go to the Village *collectors*
shops
you'll pay big time.
If you live here and know the other shops and have time to poke around you
can do alright.
For example, I never pay more than $9.99 for CDs (new issues included).
I just picked up a mint yellow vinyl copy of Mayfair's Stereo Spectacular,
on
23rd St., for 70cents.
Yesterday, at a Brooklyn street fair, I bought as many LPs as I could carry
and
it still cost me less than 3 CDs.
If you're back in town during the weekend of Oct. 19-20, stop by the Book
Sale
at the Hudson Guild, 441 W. 26th St (bet. 9&10th Ave.).

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From: Dan Townsend <[e-mail]>
Subject: San Diego request
Date: 30 Sep 1996 11:30:41 -0700

Is anyone on the list from San Diego area?  I need a local source for my
vinyl supply needs, like slip covers, inner liners, record cleaning devices
and the like. I don't mind buying through mail order, if I must, but I'd
sure prefer to pick up this stuff locally.  On the mail order tip, could
someone recommend a mail order house offering the above mentioned
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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: The Great Vibe Debate
Date: 30 Sep 1996 14:37:33 -0400

>I bow to your preferance, yes indeed Cal is the man!.
>
>Ashley & Brad-

Tjader is super and quite reliable, even when with early Brubeck, but check
out David Pike's "The Doors of Perception." Another long concept LP that
takes you on that trip you always knew vibes could. Fantastic. And his early
"Manhattan Latin" Decca LP has a delicious jacket (top 10). Had several
other records, such as Pike's Peak (and he backed a lot of other jazz
artists), but The Doors is a Majorly Heavy Piece. Jazz goes psychedelic
horror theme. Dave Pike's surely a vibe player's vibe man.

Would rank Lyman's effective use of the vibe SOUND over Wechter's
musicianship (yawn), but I'm neither musician nor quality nut. And image counts.

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From: " /  dave  /  "  <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: New York Post article
Date: 30 Sep 1996 13:53:46 -0500 (CDT)

Scott writes:
> I think, however, that Joseph Lanza's quote in this article is quite true.

Just what did he say? (Assuming you still have it handy...)

dave

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From: [e-mail] (Jack Diamond)
Subject: Playlist for 8/18/96
Date: 30 Sep 1996 10:52:50 -0700

KFJC play list 8/18/96 for Jack Diamond

 ARTIST                   TRACK                       ALBUM Etc
                                                        Info
________________________________________________________________________
 Planets                  Chunky
 Zoot Sims Qnt            Bye Ya                      Dawn
 Johnny Williams-Piano    Jerome Lloyd-Trumpet        Dlp 1115
 Bill Anthony             Gus Johnson                 Bass Drums
 Tak Shindo               Mombasa Love Song           Edison Int.
 Don Ralke                Rex's Theme                 Bourbon St Beat
 Mel Henke                Walkin' My Baby Back Home   La Dolce Henke
 Fred Lowery              Walkin' Along Kickin'...    Decca
 Francis Lai              A 200 a L'heure             120 Miles An Hour
 Chim Kothari             Sitar, Sitar, Sitar, Sitar  1966
 Ray Martin               James Bond Theme            Rca
 101 Strings              Instant Nirvana             Sounds of Today
 Johnny Richards Orch.    Ofo                         Rites of Diablo
 Pierre Henry             Teen Tonic                  63/LIMELIGHT
 Peter Thomas Orkester    Verrater
 Harry Sukman             The Giant Eel               6-8-66
 Kenyon Hopkins           The Loft                    Shock!
 Joe Meek                 Valley of the Saroos        I Hear a New World
 Ferrante and Teicher     Sleigh Ride                 Hi-Fi Xmas
                                                      Ivories, 54, 10"
 Kenny Burrell-Gtr        Aaron Bell-Bass             Kookies Kaper
 Seldon Powell-Flt,Tnr    Ray Bryant-Piano            1959
 Music for Monsters       Dinner Music for Monsters   Theremin Solo, 45rpm
 Pete and Conte Candoli   Send Me Nicky               Jack Lemmon-Bongos
 Lalo Schifrin            Ice Pick Mike               Bullitt
 Buddy Morrow Orch        Murders in the Rue Morgue   Bernie Green
 Lamber,Hendriks & Ross   Blues Backstage             A B C Paramount
                          Avenue C                    1ST Lp
 Jimmie Haskel            We Get Messages             57/8,STEREO
 The Corporation with     Vinnie Bell-Elec Sitar
 Dick Hyman-Harpsicord
 Gert Wilden Orch         Follow Me                   Schoolgirl Report
 Shorty Rogers Orch       Pass the Duke               1960/RCA
 Esquivel                 Malaguena                   Strings Aflame
 Billy May Orch           Your Soft Hand on My Brow   51 ?/Capitol
 Baxter, Les & 101
 Strings Orch             Affair in Arruba            Que Mango
 Quincy Jones             Side Pocket                 Mr. Tibbs
 Ken Nordine              Excerpts From Twink
 When You Were Born,      Piccolos,Knee,Pea,Great
 Kai Winding Orch         Mondo Cane #2
 Arr. By Clause Ogerman   With Ondioline!!!
 Killer Watts             Sleepwalk
 Elmer Bernstein          Jubilation                  Blues & Brass
 Simon Park Orch.         Up to Date(Sound Gallery 2) Scamp
 Nelson Riddle Orch       Super Car                   Barry Gray
 Group One                Fluters Ball                Wordless
 Bud Shank Qrt. Feat.                                 Eden Ahbez
 Bob Brookmeyer           Nature Boy                  Pac Jazz,56
 Les Baxter Orch.         Simba(Covered By M. Denny)  Taboo!

 Dissvelt, Tom/Kid Baltan Moon Maid                   Song of the Second
                                                      Moon
 Jimmie Haskel            Starlight                   Countdown(Mono)
 Leo Diamond(No Relation) 3RD Man Theme               Foreign Movie Themes
 Ennio Morricone          Forbidden Party             Malamondo
 Jerry Goldsmith          Checkmate                   Sebastian
 Frank Kapp Orch.         Peter Gunn
 Pete Rugolo Orch         Twisted Image               Alvin Stoller-Drms
 Leith Stevens Orch       Perry Mason Theme
 Pete Rugolo Orch         Diamond on the Move

KFJC 12345 El Monte Road, Los Altos Hills, CA 94022
www.kfjc.org
http://www.cygnus.com/kfjc/diamond
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Vibes debate
Date: 30 Sep 1996 15:58:37 -0400


          Yes, Dave Pike is a pretty interesting player if you can stand
listening to him groan along with his playing! As L.A. studio guys, both
Larry Bunker & Emil Richards (who are also both percussionists) have done
some interesting vibes stuff but, as long as we seem to be straying from
exotica, I'm afraid my vote goes to Bobby Hutcherson - particularly early in
his career. Has anybody ever heard of Karl Berger?

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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Al Caiola
Date: 30 Sep 1996 15:45:28 -0400

>I spotted a big Readers Digest easy listening 10 or
>12 record set in our local recorderie, and in the
>listings one album was Hawaiian stuff credited to
>Al Caiola and orchestra.  D'you think this might be
>worth getting?  Other albums seemed a bit too square
>e.g. Boston Pops type of thing.

Yes and no. He has a "real" Hawaiian LP that's worth storing. What you
mention is not all Al Caiola (nor anyone else of note) and has no real
standout material. The rule of thumb is: the longer the Hawaiian name, the
better/more authentic it is. (It would have to be Al Kaiola.)

I'm well disposed to box sets for their value, and the Readers Digest ones
expose you to Prados and Cugats etc. worth seeking on their own. But that
one, nah. For the Hawaiian, boxed-set, or Caiola completist only, in other
words.

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From: [e-mail] (Huge Graphics)
Subject: Re: Dancin' in The Dark
Date: 30 Sep 1996 11:59:26 -0700

>Dancin' in The Dark by Esquivel which is on the new MGM Classic Film Music
>release called Bachelor in Paradise is not from Las Tandas de Garcia
>Esquivel BUT on More Other Worlds Other Sounds from Reprise, 1962

FYI:

I just saw the Esquivel CD "More Other Worlds Other Sounds" for $7.99 at
Tower in S.F.

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From: Eric Boyd <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Tikis on T.V. -Reply
Date: 30 Sep 1996 16:36:13 -0400

Aloha,

>Poncie Ponce's lp has been reissued onto CD

What label and what is the CD title and where did you stumble acrossed
it!

Aloha Otto,

How are you liking  San Francisco? When can we expect the next
edition of Tiki News? I am a subscriber to TN and I am eagerly awaiting
the blow out x-mas edition! I just moved to Portland, OR from San
Francisco, where I grew up!

My new address:
ERIC TODD BOYD
6523 N.E. OREGON STREET
PORTLAND, OR  97213

HANG LOOSE

eric

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From: [e-mail] (ANITA SERWACKI)
Subject: Re: San Diego request
Date: 30 Sep 1996 15:09:11 -0400


     Dan Townsend wrote:

     >>On the mail order tip, could someone recommend a mail order house
     >>offering the above mentioned materials?

     Bags Unlimited in Rochester is a fine one-stop mail order source for
     all of your record care, shipping and storage needs (and comic books,
     old zines, etc.).  Cheap, and fast delivery.  They've got an 800
     number with the word BAGS in it, but I'm at work and don't have it on
     hand.  I'll post it tomorrow if interested.

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From: [e-mail] (ANITA SERWACKI)
Subject: Re: Cal Tjader (was "The Great Vibe Debate ")
Date: 30 Sep 1996 11:35:01 -0400



>> yes indeed Cal is the man!.

I've really been loving Cal lately, but I only have his Best
Of album on Verve.  I rarely see his records around, and if I do
they tend to be pretty steep.  Any of his stuff re-released on CD?

Anita

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From: "Laura Taylor" <[e-mail]>
Subject: I'M BEDAZZLED
Date: 30 Sep 1996 17:01:25 -0400

After seeing that fab-film this weekend, that is!  And I love the music in it
so much, that I am hoping there is a sound-track!  Please, please, please...
Anyway, does anyone have any (that's three "anys"-sorry) recommendations on
other Dudley Moore music?  I am quite serious-and don't tell me ARTHUR or
something or I'll , uh, well, no threats, but...
I love the two pop songs in there to the degree I am going to dub them off
from VCR to tape!
BTW-the Bongwater cover of BEDAZZLED is bewitching!
I'M BEDAZZLED!  I'M BEDAZZLED!
Lounge Laura
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From: "Laura Taylor" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: San Diego request/bags
Date: 30 Sep 1996 17:08:26 -0400

                      RE>>San Diego request/bags                   9/30/96

No, I don't work for them, but BAGS is a good company---and you can get the
toll free # by calling 1-800-555-1212-that is , if you can't wait for Anita.
I have used them when  I was in a band :(
Lounge Laura


     Dan Townsend wrote:

     >>On the mail order tip, could someone recommend a mail order house
     >>offering the above mentioned materials?

     Bags Unlimited in Rochester is a fine one-stop mail order source for
     all of your record care, shipping and storage needs (and comic books,
     old zines, etc.).  Cheap, and fast delivery.  They've got an 800
     number with the word BAGS in it, but I'm at work and don't have it on
     hand.  I'll post it tomorrow if interested.

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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Vibes debate
Date: 30 Sep 1996 17:19:59 -0400

>some interesting vibes stuff but, as long as we seem to be straying from
>exotica

[Manhattan] Latin and vibes are fairly exotic, pal. Don't use me for your
holier-than-thou segue.
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From: "Laura Taylor" <[e-mail]>
Subject: WILL THE REAL KENYON PLEASE
Date: 30 Sep 1996 17:39:06 -0400

Mystery from LONELYVILLE:
OK-youz experts!  Some comrades and I have long been under the impression
that Kenyon Hopkins was more than just a song-writer on LONELYVILLE-THE
NERVOUS BEAT(grrreeeaattt record, btw!)  But some cat named Bob Kenyon is
credited with arranging/conducting duties.  So, who is this "Bob?"  Is it
really Hopkins, thinly disguised? A friend told me this:

 Creed Taylor was, as Jack Diamond put it - "The Money".  He put up the money
for the recordings and produced 'em but Kenyon Hopkins did all the
arrangements, wrote
some of the tunes and conducted the orchestra on Lonelyville, Shock,
Nightmare, etc.
However, since Taylor put up the cash, I guess he got to call it The Creed
Taylor
Orchestra.  My Lonelyville album (a classic, BTW!), says "Arrangements by Ken
Hopkins"
and, for some reason, he's hidden under at least a nom-de-plume elsewhere on
the album
("Bob Kenyon").  Go figure.


Now, it's up to you...
Lounge L
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From: [e-mail] (Marie Guinto)
Subject: Re: Cocktail Classics from MGM films
Date: 30 Sep 1996 15:52:31 -0800


>Bachelor In Paradise: Cocktail Classics From M-G-M Films
>(Rhino Movie Music 72464)

Has anyone heard this?  Just was wondering as far comps go, is this a must
have.....


Marie
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From: [e-mail] (Marie Guinto)
Subject: Ann-Margaret
Date: 30 Sep 1996 15:54:32 -0800

Hi all!!

I remembered reading about an Ann-Margaret re-issue, but haven't seen it
anywhere does anyone have any info?

All about questions today,
Marie
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From: [e-mail] (Marie Guinto)
Subject: Re: Cal Tjader (was "The Great Vibe Debate ")
Date: 30 Sep 1996 15:57:22 -0800

>I've really been loving Cal lately, but I only have his Best
>Of album on Verve.  I rarely see his records around, and if I do
>they tend to be pretty steep.  Any of his stuff re-released on CD?


I heart Cal Tjader.....my fave is SOUL SAUCE.  And he does have a handful
of releases on Verve.  Make the stores stock him.

Marie
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From: "Laura Taylor" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Cryptkicker 5
Date: 30 Sep 1996 19:08:21 -0400

OK-no flames please...
Instead of "Thee Grayve Robberz"-I'm thinking of using "Cryptkicker 5" as a
band name for my new "garage" act.  So-does anyone about whom I should worry
alreadyuse this name?
Only kind responses will be entertained.
Thanks,
Lounge Laura
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From: [e-mail] (Jill Mingo)
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Records wholier than CD's
Date: 30 Sep 1996 17:42:23 -0600 (MDT)

>
>
>Rev. Chrysler Mighuel Stewart here:
>
>    Friends! Exoticats! Lurkers! All this bickering about the quality of CD
>vs. Records! Where is it getting us? The argument is as controversial as
>uttering P.C. Versus Macintosh! The fact is that both have lots of
>potential, each with their own good and bad points. What is key however, is
>that Vinyl as we know it was on the indangered species list just a few
>years ago- CD enthusists are quick to brand vinyl inferior because of the
>attempt to "Phase Out" Vinyl in the late 80's and early 90's. However,
>vinyl enthusists fought back demanding that the stores restore the once
>thriving market. And they have done just that too! Slowly, records are
>creeping back into mainstream music shelves. What's important to remember
>is that attacking vinyl is what led to the original phase out in the first
>place! It is a good idea to keep an open mind about all formats. While I am
>quite fond of purchasing albums on vinyl, I have no qualms about purchasing
>a compact disc, should the need arrive. Furthermore, much of the music we
>cherish and discuss on this very list was initially released on vinyl, but
>is now being rereleased on CD. Nonetheless, it is important to remember our
>lo-tech roots, as well as respect our more recent high-tech additions.
>        Happiness- We're all in it together!
>            By the Grace of God, I remain
>
>        Rev. Chrysler Mighuel Stewart
>            [e-mail]
>        http://www.cnw.com/~pettit
>
>PS: For the Record, (pun intended) Records, in the eye of our Lord, are
>holyier than Compact Discs. I'm a minister; I know.
>

All I can say to the whole of this statement is AMEN!!!!

Jill


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From: [e-mail] (ANITA SERWACKI)
Subject: Re: Cal Tjader (was "The Great Vibe Debate ")
Date: 30 Sep 1996 17:16:45 -0400



>> yes indeed Cal is the man!.

I've really been loving Cal lately, but I only have his Best
Of album on Verve.  I rarely see his records around, and if I do
they tend to be pretty steep.  Any of his stuff re-released on CD?

Anita

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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Cal Tjader
Date: 30 Sep 1996 21:24:44 -0400

>I've really been loving Cal lately, but I only have his Best
>Of album on Verve.  I rarely see his records around, and if I do
>they tend to be pretty steep.  Any of his stuff re-released on CD?
>
>Anita

Cal Tjader has so many LPs on Fantasy, not to mention Verve (and probably
others, especially as a guest or collaborator), it's not even funny. For
once, I gave up on being the completist. Most of them go for $4-10. If
you're paying more than that, it's either a rip or a real rarity (Fantasy
LPs sold by jazz specialists can be high). If you won't pay that much,
you're missing out on a solid investment [in your soul].

Tony Wilds
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From: Tony Wilds <[e-mail]>
Subject: Hydravive/AOL Blue Rumba
Date: 30 Sep 1996 21:48:34 -0400

Not that I want to revive the music-for-ads meme again, but...

Sounds like a new "Hydravive" shampoo commercial has had made a new, faster,
more Esquivellian version of (or steal from) the superb "Blue Rumba" that
Mr. Chusid deftly picked for his first and best Rhino comp CD. (The original
"Blue Rumba" is on Wild Stereo Drums, a VA LP w/Les Baxter on it -- and part
of the cataloged U.S. Library of Congress collection, I might add pointlessly.)

Yes, Madison Avenue surpasses the press in burning out the "fad."

Also, a new AOL ad claims its e-mail now is in color with pictures. If so,
then please, AOL users, turn my missives to green on black with a stately
rust tiki. Thx.

Take hair,
Tony "wild stereo bodifying conditioner" Wilds
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: vibes chips on shoulder
Date: 30 Sep 1996 22:38:52 -0400


            Tony - I'm not "using you" for anything. Let me try to explain
rather than get nasty: someone mentioned Bobby Hutcherson. Bobby Hutcherson
happens to be my favorite vibist. It has nothing to do with jazz being
elitist or Exotica being inferior. He's just my favorite, that's all.
Normally, I wouldn't have mentioned him because I didn't feel he was
applicable to a discussion of Exotica vibists. But the fact that he was
mentioned, to me, broadened the discussion & I commented in support of the
person who first mentioned him. Maybe we need to draw some lines here. Are
you saying that, because someone's playing vibes, it's exotica? So is Bobby
Hutcherson's playing with 60's black radical avant garde saxophonist Archie
Shepp exotica? Does that mean we can start comparing Eddie Cano & Martin
Denny with Cecil Taylor because Cecil is Exotica, too? In that case, my
preference would go to Martin or Eddie because I'm not a Cecil Taylor fan. If
you were inferring that I was being sarcastic in what I said (other than Dave
Pike's groaning), you are wrong. I did not join this list to be sarcastic or
negative or, for that matter to be some kind of "net jock". I love the music.
It overlaps with jazz, sometimes is jazz & is no better or worse than jazz -
just different. But to label as Exotica all jazz on any instrument that
functions well in Exotica is stretching things a bit. Eric Dolphy's flute
playing is not Exotica. Rashied Ali's drumming with later John Coltrane is
not Exotica. I hope that straightens things out a bit. And, by the way, I'm
not your "pal". Flex your muscles somewhere else.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: The Great Vibe Debate
Date: 30 Sep 1996 22:47:44 -0400

In a message dated 96-09-30 09:53:16 EDT, you write:

>As someone in Inc. Strange Music put it, Baja Marimba Band is the most
>boring band ever. Except for Wechter's composition "Brasilia" (not Baxter's)
>and the permutitle "I'll Marimba You," they are a scourge upon the record
>racks. Almost as disappointing as Chet Baker slumming in the Mariachi Brass.
>The whole A&M label, Herb Alpert and Brasil '66 notwithstanding, is more of
>a nuisance than a boon.


Ouuuch! Tony there is some neat stuff that they did (especially early on -
there's a very imaginative moog arrangement of Wechter's composition "Spanish
Flea" that's pretty wild) however for the most part I'll have to agree
(especially the later stuff) falls into dentist music
>
>Why not instead discuss highly interesting vibists, such as David Pike?
>There are scads of others who equally almost never disappoint. Or for other
>ex-Denny men, how about Augie Colon (not a vibist)?
>

Look for Augie's two solo albums reissued next year.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Cal Tjader (was "The Great Vibe Debate ")
Date: 30 Sep 1996 22:59:26 -0400

In a message dated 96-09-30 18:21:03 EDT, you write:

>I've really been loving Cal lately, but I only have his Best
>Of album on Verve.  I rarely see his records around, and if I do
>they tend to be pretty steep.  Any of his stuff re-released on CD?
>
There are several releases on CD...fans of this list should check out the
"Talkin'Verve" compilation of Cal's - it's a wonderful intro and it includes
some downright exotica stuff...BTW Cal was George Shearing's vibe player and
Shearing was a definite influence on Martin Denny's arrangements so for all
the Denny fans out there you'll love this stuff.

Ashley



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Bobby Hutcherson
Date: 30 Sep 1996 21:30:50 -0700

>Any Bobby Hutcherson fans out there?

MAJOR fan right here (especially mid-60s Blue Note)!  But you can be sure we'll
be chastised for straying too far from Exotica-land.  This post never happened!

Michael


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Karl Berger
Date: 30 Sep 1996 21:39:51 -0700

>Has anybody ever heard of Karl Berger?

Yes.  He put out a great record with Dave Holland called "All Kinds Of Time,"
probably about 20 years ago.  Another jazz guy...I'm in big trouble now...

Michael


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Cal "The Man" Tjader
Date: 30 Sep 1996 21:42:51 -0700

>I've really been loving Cal lately, but I only have his Best
>Of album on Verve.  I rarely see his records around, and if I do
>they tend to be pretty steep.  Any of his stuff re-released on CD?

Try "The Roots Of Acid Jazz" on Verve (314 531 562-2).  72 minutes of the 60s
stuff.  Great place to start!

Michael


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