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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) DL Cataloging
Date: 01 Sep 1997 00:41:27 -0700 (PDT)


    Okay, I have just finished going thru all of David Tomita's past
DL penny lists that I can get hold of as well as the other DL penny
reports from the newsgroups and have worked the known existing coins into
my cataloging system.  THIS IS A PRELIMINARY LIST!!!  The code numbers
and titles will very likely be changed.  DO NOT keep this list for
future refernece as you will most likely only confuse yourself and
others.  This list is a stepping stone to completing an actual list (hopefully
finalized at the DL meet this coming Sunday (9/7).

    I am posting this list in the hopes that anyone one with
Disneyland and/or Disneyland Hotel coins will compare the list to what
they have and see if I'm missing anything.  Opinions on name changes or
ordering changes are both welcome and encouraged.  That's why I'm doing
this.  I have done my best to recreate the order the coins were issued.
If you know something's wrong please let me know wether it be in the
order presented, orientation, text, image, etc.  If you have coins from
DL/DLH that are not on this list please let me know.  Specifically if
anyone knows of other limited edition coins (CM/AP/?) this is VERY
important info for me. NOTE: This list does NOT include WDW or Disneyana
coins.  These will have seperate lists. Only those issued in the park/hotel
(wether publicly or privately).

    Thanx in advance for your time and assistance.  Responses are welcome
via e-mail or on the list (but if you reply to the list PLEASE only quote
the relevant parts as this is a VERY long post).  A list of unknown info will
be in a follow-up post.  And now, the list:

Codes:
    DIS - Short for Disney
    DL - Disneyland (for park issues)
    DLH - Disneyland Hotel
    DPH - Disney Pacific Hotel (Is this the proper name?)
    TDA - Team Disney Administration
    v. - vertical
    h. - horizontal
    HS - Head Shot
    FL - Full length

DIS-DL-1 1995 Annual Passholder
  v. Castle "Jan. 6/Disneyland/19/95/Annual Passholder"

DIS-DL-2 Ron Dominguez
  v. HS Ron Dominguez "Ron Dominguez/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-3 Open House '95 Nickel
  v. FL Construction worker Mickey, "Open House '95"

DIS-DL-4 Disneyland RR
  v. Engineer Mickey in engine "Disneyland RR"

DIS-DL-5 Mickey Disneyland USA
  v. HS Mickey "Disneyland USA"

DIS-DL-6 Donald Disneyland
  v. HS Donald "Disneyland"

DIS-DL-7 Goofy Disneyland
  v. HS Goofy "Disneyland"

DIS-DL-8 Sorceror Mickey
  v. FL Sorceror Mickey "Disneyland"

DIS-DL-9 Jiminy Cricket
  v. FL Jiminy Cricket "Disneyland"

DIS-DL-10 Mickey Rays - Thick Ears
  h. HS Mickey w/ rays like sun "Mickey/Mouse/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-10a Mickey Rays - Thin Ears
  h. HS Mickey w/ rays like sun "Mickey/Mouse/Disneyland"

{NOTE: DIS-DL-10 & 10a - Which came first?  Does anyone have ear
measurements?}

DIS-DL-11 Steamboat Willie
  h. Steamboat Willi at wheel "Steamboat Willie"

DIS-DL-12 MnM Buggy
  v. Mickey and Minnie in old buggy car "Main Street U.S.A."

DIS-DL-13 AL Tiki Mask
  v. Tiki Mask "Adventureland"

DIS-DL-14 AL Indiana Jones
  v. Temple of Mara, cobra "Adventureland"

DIS-DL-15 AL Jungle Cruise
  h. Jungle Cruise Boat "Jungle Cruise/Adventureland"

DIS-DL-16 Simba
  v. DL sitting Simba "Disneyland/Simba"

DIS-DL-17 Nala
  h. FL walking Nala "Disneyland/Nala"

DIS-DL-18 Pumbaa & Timon
  v. Busts of Pumbaa and Timon eating worms "Pumbaa/Timon/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-19 Aladdin
  v. Waist up of Aladdin w/ arms crossed "Aladdin/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-20 Jafar
  v. HS Jafar "Jafar/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-21 Jasmine
  v. FL kneeling Jasmine "Jasmine/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-22 FL Cowboy Mickey
  h. Bust of Cowboy Mickey w/ pistol "Frontierland/Disneyland"
    {'c Disney' in front of gun barrell}

DIS-DL-22a FL Cowboy Mickey
  h. Bust of Cowboy Mickey w. pistol "Frontierland/Disneyland"
    {'c Disney' below gun barrell}

DIS-DL-23 Pirates of the Caribbean
  h. Pirate on cannon "Pirates/of the/Caribbean/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-24 Country Bear Playhouse
  h. Bear w/ bass "Country Bear Playhouse/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-25 Splash Mountain
  h. FL sitting Brer Rabbit "Splash Mountain/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-26 TL Starspeeder Mickey
  h. Spacesuit Mickey tethered to Starspeeder "Tomorrowland/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-27 Peter Pan
  v. FL Peter "Disneyland"

DIS-DL-28 Tinkerball
  h. FL Tinkerbell "Disneyland"

DIS-DL-29 Capt. Hook "Disneyland"
  v. FL Capt. Hook "Disneyland"

DIS-DL-30 Snow White
  v. Bust of Snow White "Snow White/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-31 Wicked Witch
  h. Bust of Witch "Disneyland"

DIS-DL-32 Bashful
  v. FL Bashful "Bashful/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-33 Dopey
  v. FL Dopey "Dopey/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-34 Grumpy
  v. FL Grumpy "Grumpy/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-35 Doc
  v. FL Doc "Doc/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-36 Happy
  v. FL Happy "Happy/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-37 Sneezy
  v. FL Sneezy "Sneezy/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-38 Sleepy
  v. FL Sleepy "Sleepy/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-39 Pocahontas
  v. FL Pocahontas "Disney's Pocahontas/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-40 Pocahontas and John Smith
  v. Waist up - embracing "Disneyland"

DIS-DL-41 Powhatan
  v. FL Powhatan "Disneyland"

DIS-DL-42 Flower
  v. FL Flower "Flower/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-43 Bambi
  v. FL Bambi "Bambi/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-44 Thumper
  v. FL Thumper "Thumper/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-45 Alice
  v. FL Alice "Alice/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-46 Pinnochio
  v. FL Pinnochio "Pinnochio/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-47 Dumbo
  v. FL Dumbo "Dumbo/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-48 Mickey Disneyland Park
  v. HS Mickey "Disneyland Park"

DIS-DL-49 Mickey Tux Nickel
  v. FL Mickey in tux and top hat "Disneyland"

DIS-DL-50 Minnie Nickel
  v. FL Minnie holding purse "Disneyland"

DIS-DL-51 40 Years/Adventure Nickel
  h. 40th anniv logo "Disneyland"

DIS-DL-52 Belle
  v. Waist up of Belle sitting "Belle/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-53 Lumiere
  v. FL Lumiere "Lumiere/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-54 Beast
  Bust of Beast "Beast/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-55 Winnie the Pooh
  v. FL Pooh "Winnie/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-56 Tigger
  v. FL Tigger bouncing "Tigger/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-57 Eeyore
  v.  FL Eeyore sitting "Eeyore/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-58 Seasons Greetings Nickel
  v. FL Santa Mickey "Seasons Greetings"

DIS-DL-59 Happy Holidays Nickel
  v. FL Santa Goofy "Happy Holidays"

DIS-DL-60 Happy New Year Nickel
  v. Castle "Happy New Year"

DIS-DL-61 Woody
  v. FL Woody "Disneyland"

DIS-DL-61a Woody
  v. FL Woody "Disneyland"

DIS-DL-62 Buzz Lightyear
  v. FL Buzz "Disneyland"

DIS-DL-62a Buzz Lightyear
  v. FL Buzz "Disneyland"

DIS-DL-63 Green Army Man
  v. FL Army Man "Disneyland"

DIS-DL-63a Green Army Man
  v. FL Army Man "Disneyland"

{NOTE: Coins 61-63a - I do NOT know how to tell the non-lettered from the
'a' versions.  However all three designs were available simultaneously in
two different locations.  If you can help identify which is which PLEASE do}

DIS-DL-64 Mickey at Bat
  v. FL Mickey swinging bat

DIS-DL-65 Tennis Goofy
  v. FL Goofy w/ tennis racket

DIS-DL-66 Soccer Mickey
  v. FL Mickey kicking soccer ball

DIS-DL-67 Mickey Rays Nickel
  h. HS Mickey w/ rays like sun "Mickey/Mouse/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-68 Mickey Quarter
  v. FL Mickey "Disneyland"

DIS-DL-69 Castle Quarter
  v. Castle "Disneyland"

DIS-DL-70 Brer Fox, Turtle & Bear
  h. Brer Fox standing on Brer Turtle, Brer Baer holding sign "Critter
Country"

DIS-DL-71 Big Al
  v. Big Al "Country Bear Jamboree/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-72 Wendel
  v. Wendel "Country Bear Jamboree/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-73 Quasimodo Quarter
  v. Quasimodo "Disneyland"

DIS-DL-74 Esmerelda Quarter
  v. Esmerelda "Disneyland"

DIS-DL-75 Gargoyles Quarter
  h. Hugo, Victor and LaVerne "Disneyland"

DIS-DL-76 Mickey at Bat DL
  v. FL Mickey swinging baseball bat "Disneyland"

DIS-DL-77 Tennis Goofy DL
  v. FL Goofy w/ tennis racket "Disneyland"

DIS-DL-78 Soccer Mickey DL
  v. F: Mickey kicking soccer ball "Disneyland"

DIS-DL-79 Maleficent 1996
  v. Profile Maleficent "1996/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-80 Ursula 1996
  v. Waist up Ursula "1996/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-81 Wicked Witch 1996
  v. Profile Wicked Witch w/ apple "1996/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-82 Cruella 'typo'
  v. Waist up Cruella "101 Dalmations/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-83 Pongo & Perdita 'typo'
  h. Standing Pongo and Perdita "101 Dalmations/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-84 Fireman Puppy 'typo'
  v. Puppy in Fireman's hat w/ bone "101 Dalmations/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-85 Cruella
  v. Waist up Cruella "101 Dalmatians/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-86 Pongo & Perdita
  h. Standing Pongo and Perdita "101 Dalmatians/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-87 Fireman Puppy
  v. Puppy in Fireman's hat w/ bone "101 Dalmatians/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-88 New Year 1997 Nickel
  v. FL Santa Mickey "Happy New Year/1997/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-89 Holidays 1996 Nickel
  h. Chip and Dale in Santa hats "Happy Holidays/1996/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-90 Greetings 1996 Nickel
  v. Castle "Seasons Greetings/1996/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-91 Hercules Quarter
  v. FL Hercules "Hercules/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-92 Pegasus Quarter
  h. FL sitting Pegasus "Pegasus/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-93 Megara Quarter
  v. FL Megara "Megara/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-94 Donald Trombone
  v. FL Donald Playing Trombone "Disneyland"

DIS-DL-95 Jester Goofy
  v. HS Jester Goofy "Disneyland"

DIS-DL-96 Mickey Trumpet
  v. FL Mickey playing trumpet "Disneyland"

DIS-DL-97 Donald at Wheel
  ? Donald at ship's wheel "Disneyland"

DIS-DL-98 Mickey w/ Pistol
  ? Cowboy Mickey w/ Pistol "Adventureland/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-99 Cowboy Donald
  ? Cowboy Donald lassoes aroud neck "Disneyland"

DIS-DLH-1 Hotel and Monorail
  h. DLH and Monorail "Disneyland Hotel"

DIS-DLH-2 Winnie the Pooh
  v. FL Pooh "Disneyland Hotel"

DIS-DLH-3 Tigger
  v. FL Tigger "Disneyland Hotel"

DIS-DLH-4 Eeyore
  v. FL Eeyore "Disneyland Hotel

DIS-DLH-5 Mickey
  v. HS Mickey "Disneyland Hotel"

DIS-DLH-6 Donald
  v. HS Donald "Disneyland Hotel"

DIS-DLH-7 Goofy
  v. HS Goofy "Disneyland Hotel"

DIS-DLH-8 Disneyland Hotel Quarter
  h. DLH and Monorail "Disneyland Hotel"

DIS-DLH-9 Minnie
  v. HS Minnie "Disneyland Hotel"

DIS-DLH-10 Pluto
  v. HS Pluto "Disneyland Hotel"

DIS-DLH-11 Mickey Tux
  v. FL Mickey in tux and top hat w/ cane "Disneyland Hotel"

DIS-DPH-1 Baseball Mickey
  v. FL Baseball Mickey

DIS-DPH-2 Roller Skate Minnie
  v. FL Minnie on roller skates

DIS-DPH-3 Skateboard Mickey
  v. FL Mickey w/ skateboard

DIS-TDA-1 Building/Future Nickel
  h. Gloved Mickey hands shaking hands "Building Our Future/The Pieces
Come Together"

    That's it!  Thanx again for your time, assistance, and
bandwidth.  This catalogin would never have been possible without David
Tomita's two years of hard work, so if you like it, thank him first.


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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) DL Cataloging - questions
Date: 01 Sep 1997 00:53:41 -0700 (PDT)


    Okay, here's the stuff I was unable to glean from other sources:

9/29/96 Kevin Christensen reported to r.a.d.p. that he had found (amongst
other known issues) a quarter with Phoebus (from Hunchback).  Nikki
reports that she believes she has seen one as well though she can't find
it in her collection.  Any one know anything about this issue?

For a long time David Tomita had the possibility of a vertical Chip 'n'
Dale penny listed.  Anyone know anything about this?

DIS-DL-97, 98, 99 - Are thes pennies? Quarters?  Orientation?

What's the difference between DIS-DL-22/22a and DIS-DL-98?

DIS-DL-10/10a - What came first? Thick or thin?  Also what are the ear
measurements?

DIS-DL-60 thru DIS-DL-63a - What's the differences between the 'a' and
the non-lettered

Installation dates (month/year) needed for:

DIS-DL-4 thru DIS-DL-26
DIS-DL-10a
DIS-DL-22a
DIS-DL-97 thru DIS-DL-99

Removal Dates (month/year) needed for:

DIS-DL-10
DIS-DL-10a
DIS-DL-22
DIS-DL-24
DIS-DL-79 thru DIS-DL-81
DIS-DLH-1

    I have all of the other install/remove dates.  Thanx again for
your time and assistance.  Answers on or off-list are fine.

        Peace,

            Aahz


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From: Slave to Lady Nikki <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) DL Cataloging - questions
Date: 01 Sep 1997 03:38:44 -0600 (MDT)

On Mon, 1 Sep 1997, Chris Aahz wrote:

> DIS-DL-60 thru DIS-DL-63a - What's the differences between the 'a' and
> the non-lettered

Clarification:  These are the Toy Story issues.  I am considering the
machine located in the Starcade to be the non-lettered issues as this
machine is still there and the machine that was in the Toy Story Funhouse
(2/96 to 6/96) to be the 'a' issues.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) DL Cataloging - questions
Date: 01 Sep 1997 11:09:25 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-09-01 03:56:27 EDT, you write:

<< 9/29/96 Kevin Christensen reported to r.a.d.p. that he had found (amongst
 other known issues) a quarter with Phoebus (from Hunchback).  Nikki
 reports that she believes she has seen one as well though she can't find
 it in her collection.  Any one know anything about this issue? >>

Sure, Meg, Peg and Phoebus are on quaters at Disneyland. I've traded for a
few of them. I'll send you details if you still need to catalog them.




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From: John & Nancy Wooten <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) DL Cataloging - questions
Date: 01 Sep 1997 08:25:35 -0700

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> In a message dated 97-09-01 03:56:27 EDT, you write:
>
> << 9/29/96 Kevin Christensen reported to r.a.d.p. that he had found (amongst
>  other known issues) a quarter with Phoebus (from Hunchback).  Nikki
>  reports that she believes she has seen one as well though she can't find
>  it in her collection.  Any one know anything about this issue? >>
>
> Sure, Meg, Peg and Phoebus are on quaters at Disneyland. I've traded for a
> few of them. I'll send you details if you still need to catalog them.

I believe that's Meg, Peg, and Herc.  Never saw a Phoebus

Nancy



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) cleaning those pennies...
Date: 01 Sep 1997 12:26:56 -0400 (EDT)

I was just scanning thru Kathy's FAQ's, and came upon the methods of cleaning
pennies... sounds very MESSY.... Has anyone tried "erasing" their pennies?  I
found out they polish up perfectly with an ordinary pencil eraser. (I found
this out by mistake at the office one day, trying to get a stubborn spot off
of one of my coins.) It's very quick, too!  Anyone have any cautions about
this I should know about???

SheryL



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From: John & Nancy Wooten <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) DL Cataloging
Date: 01 Sep 1997 09:36:51 -0700

o.k.  Here goes.  Areas with no comments are deleted.

Chris Aahz wrote:
>
>
> DIS-DL-18 Pumbaa & Timon
>   v. Busts of Pumbaa and Timon eating worms "Pumbaa/Timon/Disneyland"
    This coin is horizontal
>
> DIS-DL-22 FL Cowboy Mickey
>   h. Bust of Cowboy Mickey w/ pistol "Frontierland/Disneyland"
>         {'c Disney' in front of gun barrell}
>
> DIS-DL-22a FL Cowboy Mickey
>   h. Bust of Cowboy Mickey w. pistol "Frontierland/Disneyland"
>         {'c Disney' below gun barrell}

The old die (which I think is a much nicer one) has the 'c Disney' in
front of the gun barrell.  The new one has 'c Disney' above the gun
barrell.  There are two machines in Frontierland with this new die.  One
in the Pioneer Mercantile (one coin) and one in front of the shooting
gallery (three coins).  I can't see any difference in the two coins.
I'll bring the old one to show you the difference next Sunday.  I can't
describe the differences well enough here.

>
> DIS-DL-29 Capt. Hook <"Disneyland"> should be removed
>   v. FL Capt. Hook "Disneyland"
>
>
> DIS-DL-41 Powhatan
>   v. FL Powhatan "Disneyland"
    Powhatan is waist up, not full length

> DIS-DL-46 Pinnochio
>   v. FL Pinnochio "Pinnochio/Disneyland"
    This is a Head Shot only

>
> DIS-DL-64 Mickey at Bat
>   v. FL Mickey swinging bat
>
> DIS-DL-65 Tennis Goofy
>   v. FL Goofy w/ tennis racket
>
> DIS-DL-66 Soccer Mickey
>   v. FL Mickey kicking soccer ball
    You've got me here!  I have never seen or heard of these - without any
words at all.  Are you sure they are different from 76, 77, & 78?

> DIS-DL-70 Brer Fox, Turtle & Bear
>   h. Brer Fox standing on Brer Turtle, Brer Baer holding sign "Critter
> Country"
    add /Disneyland"

> DIS-DL-78 Soccer Mickey DL
>   v. F: Mickey kicking soccer ball  "Disneyland"
    Oops, got to watch that little finger (F: instead of FL)  Hope you
don't think I'm being too pickey.

> DIS-DL-79 Maleficent 1996
>   v. Profile Maleficent "1996/Disneyland"
    Should be "1996/Maleficent/Disneyland"

> DIS-DL-80 Ursula 1996
>   v. Waist up Ursula "1996/Disneyland"
    Should be "1996/Ursula/Disneyland"

> DIS-DL-81 Wicked Witch 1996
>   v. Profile Wicked Witch w/ apple "1996/Disneyland"
    Should be "1996/Wicked Witch/Disneyland"

    The following three are pennies

> DIS-DL-97 Donald at Wheel
>   ? Donald at ship's wheel "Disneyland"
    Vertical
>
> DIS-DL-98 Mickey w/ Pistol
>   ? Cowboy Mickey w/ Pistol "Adventureland/Disneyland"
    Horizontal, and says "Frontierland/Disneyland"
>
> DIS-DL-99 Cowboy Donald
>   ? Cowboy Donald lassoes aroud neck "Disneyland"
    Vertical
>
> DIS-DLH-1 Hotel and Monorail
>   h. DLH and Monorail "Disneyland Hotel"
    This penny was issued at the Main Street Penny Arcade, not at the
Hotel.  You might want to change it.
>

> DIS-DLH-8 Disneyland Hotel Quarter
>   h. DLH and Monorail "Disneyland Hotel"
    This quarter is located in Critter Country at Teddi Barra's, not at the
hotel.  It is Machine #012431 - B


Also comments from another post of yours.  I'm afraid I can't give you
much information about dates, but I do know that I saw 97, 98 & 99
before I saw 94, 95, and 96.  (of course that could be because the
machine was down  (off stage as they say) on the day I happened to be
there.

I believe 22 was removed and replaced by 22a either late last year or
early this, but can't remember any closer than that.

79 thru 81 must have been removed between the holidays last year and
March of this year, as I don't remember seeing them then.

Wish I could be of more help, but that's the best I can do.  I'll keep
racking my brain and see what I can come up with.

Nancy



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) DL Cataloging - questions
Date: 01 Sep 1997 10:20:23 -0700 (PDT)


On Mon, 1 Sep 1997, John & Nancy Wooten wrote:

> [e-mail] wrote:
> >
> > Sure, Meg, Peg and Phoebus are on quaters at Disneyland. I've traded for a
> > few of them. I'll send you details if you still need to catalog them.
>
> I believe that's Meg, Peg, and Herc.  Never saw a Phoebus

    Meg, Peg and Herc are in one machine.  The Phoebus quarter was
reported before Hercules cam out in a machine with Quasimodo and
Esmerelda.  I have seen neither Hunchback or Hercules, but I believe
Phoebus is from Phoebus is from Hunchback.

    Mickey, if you've got a Phoebus I could certainly use the details
and a scan/photocopy if possible.  Thanx.

        Peace,

            Aahz


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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) DL Cataloging
Date: 01 Sep 1997 11:03:55 -0700 (PDT)

On Mon, 1 Sep 1997, John & Nancy Wooten wrote:

> o.k.  Here goes.  Areas with no comments are deleted.

    Thank you for your timely and detailed reply, Nancy.  Listed
below are a few explanations and those still considered questionable.  If
anyone can confirm or refute any of the below, please let me know.  The
corrections Nancy made that re not below (mostly typos - one can only
stare at this info so long without going braindead 8-) have been changed.

> > DIS-DL-22 FL Cowboy Mickey
> >   h. Bust of Cowboy Mickey w/ pistol "Frontierland/Disneyland"
> >         {'c Disney' in front of gun barrell}
> >
> > DIS-DL-22a FL Cowboy Mickey
> >   h. Bust of Cowboy Mickey w. pistol "Frontierland/Disneyland"
> >         {'c Disney' below gun barrell}
>
> The old die (which I think is a much nicer one) has the 'c Disney' in
> front of the gun barrell.  The new one has 'c Disney' above the gun
> barrell.

    Haven't seen either of these yet, need confirmation that new one
is has 'c' above and not below as David reports on his web site.

> There are two machines in Frontierland with this new die.  One
> in the Pioneer Mercantile (one coin) and one in front of the shooting
> gallery (three coins).  I can't see any difference in the two coins.

    The new coin from the new machine is catalogged as DIS-DL-98
Mickey w/ Pistol.  If we still can't find a difference after the DL meet,
then this will likely become DIS-DL-22b

> I'll bring the old one to show you the difference next Sunday.  I can't
> describe the differences well enough here.

    That would be great.  One of the reasons for this catalog is so
that the differences will be recorded somewhere and people won't have to
describe them each time they discuss the coins.

> > DIS-DL-64 Mickey at Bat
> >   v. FL Mickey swinging bat
> >
> > DIS-DL-65 Tennis Goofy
> >   v. FL Goofy w/ tennis racket
> >
> > DIS-DL-66 Soccer Mickey
> >   v. FL Mickey kicking soccer ball
>     You've got me here!  I have never seen or heard of these - without any
> words at all.  Are you sure they are different from 76, 77, & 78?

    No, I'm not 8-(  I have seen them w/ "Disneyland" and have seen
Mickey at Bat without, but that could be the DPH issue.  In David's lists
he listed these as "no label" for the first four months.  Then suddenly,
without comment, added the "Disneyland".  This is one of the major
unsolved mysteries.

> >   v. F: Mickey kicking soccer ball  "Disneyland"
>     Oops, got to watch that little finger (F: instead of FL)  Hope you
> don't think I'm being too pickey.

    Not at all, I appreciate it!  Typos drive me nuts, but my brain
was freezing up by this point ;)

> > DIS-DLH-1 Hotel and Monorail
> >   h. DLH and Monorail "Disneyland Hotel"
>     This penny was issued at the Main Street Penny Arcade, not at the
> Hotel.  You might want to change it.
> >
>
> > DIS-DLH-8 Disneyland Hotel Quarter
> >   h. DLH and Monorail "Disneyland Hotel"
>     This quarter is located in Critter Country at Teddi Barra's, not at the
> hotel.  It is Machine #012431 - B

    The cataloging is primarily topically based.  These two issues
have the DLH as they're topic, so they get listed as DLH.  This is one of
the odd things about the cataloging system.  But, there are many issues
out there (not necessarily Disney) that depict one thing/place but come
from another entirely.  So, in the larger picture it makes more sense to
list these as DLH.  DIscussion on this decision is more then welcome.

> but I do know that I saw 97, 98 & 99 before I saw 94, 95, and 96.

    There was a large gap in David's lists (11/96 to 6/97).  Both of
these machines showed up during that time frame, so I just guessed.  They
have been switched, so if anyone can confirm/refute these install dates,
please do so.

> 79 thru 81 must have been removed between the holidays last year and
> March of this year, as I don't remember seeing them then.

    Can we narrow this down a little more?  By 'holidays' are we
talking Christmas?  The coins are dated '96, so perhaps they carried them
'til New Years?  The more specific I can get doing this among coin
enthusiasts, the easier it will be to get help from the general DL fans
at a.d.d.

> Wish I could be of more help, but that's the best I can do.  I'll keep
> racking my brain and see what I can come up with.

    You've been a world of help, Nancy.  If you do come up with
anything else, let me know.

        Peace,

            Aahz

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From: Slave to Lady Nikki <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) cleaning those pennies...
Date: 01 Sep 1997 12:12:54 -0600 (MDT)

On Mon, 1 Sep 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> I was just scanning thru Kathy's FAQ's, and came upon the methods of cleaning
> pennies... sounds very MESSY.... Has anyone tried "erasing" their pennies?  I

    The eraser method came up here on the list, I wasn't aware it
hadn't made it to Kathy's FAQ.  I've tried it with great succes, though I
don't clean most of my elongates in any way (too lazy).  Jeff Dixon showed
me a couple where he had used an eraser just on the high points, leaving
the flat surfaces dark, and it they looked wonderful!

> Anyone have any cautions about this I should know about???

    I can't think of anything that couls go wrong here.  Unless you
were to press hard enough to 'snap' off some of the fine lines.  But this
is purely conjecture on my part.

        Peace,

            Aahz

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~~Ex-Vampire Hunter (Got caught by the only one I need)
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From: "Verne R. Walrafen at home" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Ah Gee!
Date: 01 Sep 1997 13:16:28 -0500

I wish I had known about Nicholas' "Good" page before I wandered off
and built http://grasshopper.grasshoppernet.com/walrafen/nuggul.html
but such is life. I have added his page's link right at the top of
NuGGuL and probably won't put much concentrated effort on expanding
my small effort.

I am suprised that nobody pointed out Nicholas' "Good" page when I
sent out my first message commending Don Hartlaub. I did ask what I
could do to commend Don further but nobody suggested Nicholas' page.
Maybe nobody knew about it? Too much publicity about the NEGATIVE
information available and not enough about the POSITIVE information
available???  Oh well, this probably won't be the last time I display
my ignorance on the WORLD WIDE web.  Sigh!

Here is the text that goes with the link to Nicholas' page:
*********************************************************************
Check out this Good Numismatic Dealers/Traders webpage and you will
find a much more comprehensive "good guys" list than is provided here
thus far. Good job Nicholas! Verne R. Walrafen [e-mail]
www.GrasshopperNet.com/Walrafen Monday, September 1, 1997 12:45 PM
*********************************************************************

Here is the actual link to Nicholas' page:
  http://lynx.dac.neu.edu/home/httpd/n/ncheung/numis/good-dealers.html

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Verne R. Walrafen, 12000 Sunset Ridge, Ozawkie, KS 66070   [phone]
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
             BS'63-CivilEngineering   MS'76-ComputerScience
 ANA-LM553  NI-LM7  MEPSI-LM1154  SNdeM-C246  USMexNA-4  CoinMaster-315
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 mailto:[e-mail]   http://www.GrasshopperNet.com/walrafen
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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Prices
Date: 01 Sep 1997 16:14:11 -0700 (PDT)


On Sun, 31 Aug 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> Here's some recent eBay info on pricing...
>
> 1893 Columbian Penny went for $15.51.
>
> 1893 Columbian Expo Rolled Nickel went for $17.50.

    Bothe are fair prices, maybe a little on the high side depending
on which particular design they are.

>
> These are considered to be the first EC's (think I got that right) and

    Yep, you got that right.

> you can see the prices. Sooo, these should be at the high end of the
> pricing scale...

    But you're a little off here.  One would think they would be at
the topof the price ranges due to their history and age, but in fact they
are not.  As I said, the above prices are fair for most WCE issues, but
many elongates have a fair price that is MUCH higher.  Why? As always, I
can only offer my opinion, but here's what I think:

    1) They're really dull coins.  Text only and plain at that.

    2) "Yesterday's Elongateds" pictures 24 different WCE issues.
However, it counts only 7 different designs (the rest being variants).
Personally, I'd drop this down to four different designs (the rest
variants).  Most of them are listed as rarity 2 (some 3).  However that's
for each individual variant.  Most collectors aren't going to be
concerned about variants and will consider the first 13 coins to be a
single issue.  What happens to that rarity 2 rating for each coin when
you consider all of them as 1 coin?  It becomes almost common.

    3) I doubt there is anyone currently living who remembers
attending the WCE in 1893.  Which means that all the pieces saved as
momentos have likely returned to the market.

    My main point here is that while the above prices are fair and it
IS neat to have one of the 'first' elongates (I have two) don't snatch
one up the moment you see it.  They are not that hard to find and prices
vary greatly, so think about this purchase at least as much as you would
any other oldie purchase.  And don't judge all prices by the cost for
these coins.  There are many issues that are far more rare and in demand
(thus, more expensive).

        Peace,

            Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disney Trip Tip!
Date: 01 Sep 1997 16:16:45 -0700 (PDT)


On Sun, 31 Aug 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> Hey, Disneyland is near, so see as many of you there as possible. I will
> post a "trip report" complete with pictures (if I can get Aahz to sign a
> model release)!  8-)

    No problem, though you'll have to to talk to my agent/master about
current rates. And autographs autographs are extra! ;)

Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disney Trip Tip!
Date: 01 Sep 1997 16:23:03 -0700 (PDT)


On Sun, 31 Aug 1997, tink!!! wrote:

> quarters!!!  i guess they got the hint after i just kept leaving all the
> new pennies laying on top of the change machine....

<WARNING RANT AHEAD>

    Ya know this just irritates me.  Aside from the fact that I'm the
sort that still picks up pennies in the street, this is the very attitude
that is making it more and more likely Congress will pull the penny all
together!  I know there's all the arguments about retailers rolling
prices up or down to the nearet nicke, but what about US?!?  All of a
sudden my 51c a piece hobby is going to become an 80c a piece hobby.
Multiply that by 1500 coins (estimated count including DL trip and WDW set)
and we're talking a price difference of $435 assuming all coins purchased
at issue price!!!  We can't let 'em do away with the penny and "throwing
away" pennies is just going to make it more likely!!!

</rant mode off>

        Peace,

            Aahz

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) DL Cataloging - questions
Date: 01 Sep 1997 19:28:33 -0400 (EDT)

Hi Chris!

You might just make me into a Disney elongated collector after all!
Would you please share with me the sources you used to find these
identification numbers etc.?

Thanks again!
Happy Collecting,
-Bob Hoff
TEC#2033


In a message dated 97-09-01 03:56:27 EDT, you write:

>
>
>      Okay, here's the stuff I was unable to glean from other sources:
>
>  9/29/96 Kevin Christensen reported to r.a.d.p. that he had found (amongst
>  other known issues) a quarter with Phoebus (from Hunchback).  Nikki
>  reports that she believes she has seen one as well though she can't find
>  it in her collection.  Any one know anything about this issue?
>
>  For a long time David Tomita had the possibility of a vertical Chip 'n'
>  Dale penny listed.  Anyone know anything about this?
>
>  DIS-DL-97, 98, 99 - Are thes pennies? Quarters?  Orientation?
>
>  What's the difference between DIS-DL-22/22a and DIS-DL-98?
>
>  DIS-DL-10/10a - What came first? Thick or thin?  Also what are the ear
>  measurements?
>
>  DIS-DL-60 thru DIS-DL-63a - What's the differences between the 'a' and
>  the non-lettered
>
>  Installation dates (month/year) needed for:
>
>  DIS-DL-4 thru DIS-DL-26
>  DIS-DL-10a
>  DIS-DL-22a
>  DIS-DL-97 thru DIS-DL-99
>
>  Removal Dates (month/year) needed for:
>
>  DIS-DL-10
>  DIS-DL-10a
>  DIS-DL-22
>  DIS-DL-24
>  DIS-DL-79 thru DIS-DL-81
>  DIS-DLH-1
>
>      I have all of the other install/remove dates.  Thanx again for
>  your time and assistance.  Answers on or off-list are fine.
>
>          Peace,
>
>              Aahz
>




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) DL Cataloging
Date: 01 Sep 1997 19:52:36 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-09-01 18:22:40 EDT, you write:

> > DIS-DLH-1 Hotel and Monorail
>  >   h. DLH and Monorail "Disneyland Hotel"
>      This penny was issued at the Main Street Penny Arcade, not at the
>  Hotel.  You might want to change it.
>

Check per all above.  I think tkhe DIS-DLH-1 machine / die is also retired
now.

-Bob Hoff



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) DL Cataloging
Date: 01 Sep 1997 19:52:48 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-09-01 17:05:28 EDT, you write:

>     Haven't seen either of these yet, need confirmation that new one
>  is has 'c' above and not below as David reports on his web site.
>

Check per above!  I have one of each.  The "Disney c" placement is correct.
 The coins also differ in that the older one has an appearance  much like
that of a rubber stamp. The newer is "shaped" and 3-D in it's look and
design.

-Bob Hoff
TEC#2033



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) DL Cataloging
Date: 01 Sep 1997 19:53:06 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-09-01 17:05:28 EDT, you write:

> > > DIS-DLH-8 Disneyland Hotel Quarter
>  > >   h. DLH and Monorail "Disneyland Hotel"
>  >     This quarter is located in Critter Country at Teddi Barra's, not at the
>  > hotel.  It is Machine #012431 - B
>

Sorry, to report, but, I believe this machine has been retired.  It had the
DLH monorail quarter, Sleeping Beautie's Castle quarter, and Full Mickey (H).
 It was last at Teddy Barra's Arcade after is was moved from Main Street
Arcade.  Last seen about one month ago.  Not to be found as of this date.

-Bob Hoff
TEC#2033



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) DL Cataloging
Date: 01 Sep 1997 17:01:11 -0700 (PDT)


On Mon, 1 Sep 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> Check per all above.  I think tkhe DIS-DLH-1 machine / die is also retired
> now.

    According to my records the machine was pulled sometime between
november last and june of this year.  Can anyone narrow this down.

    FYI - my cataloging is intended to include all coins issued, not
just current issues.  David Tomita's web site:

http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Shores/3599

    ...is the place to check for what coins are currently available
and the current machine locations.




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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) DL Cataloging
Date: 01 Sep 1997 17:05:01 -0700 (PDT)


On Mon, 1 Sep 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> >     Haven't seen either of these yet, need confirmation that new one
> >  is has 'c' above and not below as David reports on his web site.
>
> Check per above!  I have one of each.  The "Disney c" placement is correct.

    Sorry, but I get confused easily.  You're confirming here that
the new coin has the 'c' ABOVE the barrell, right?

>  The coins also differ in that the older one has an appearance  much like
> that of a rubber stamp. The newer is "shaped" and 3-D in it's look and
> design.

    Bob, can you see any differences between the coin issued in
the solo machine (DIS-DL-22a) and the coin issued in three three piece
machine (DIS-DL-98)?

        Peace,

            Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) DL Cataloging
Date: 01 Sep 1997 17:07:13 -0700 (PDT)


On Mon, 1 Sep 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> In a message dated 97-09-01 17:05:28 EDT, you write:
>
> > > > DIS-DLH-8 Disneyland Hotel Quarter
> >  > >   h. DLH and Monorail "Disneyland Hotel"
>
> Sorry, to report, but, I believe this machine has been retired.  It had the

    ACK!  Another one?  Waht, did someone tip DL opff that we're all
gonna be there next wekend so they decided to pull machines before we
could spend our hard earned quarters?!?  That's two in as many weeks!

    Keep the info coming, Bob!  Thanx.

        Peace,

            Aahz

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) DL Cataloging - questions
Date: 01 Sep 1997 22:34:52 -0400 (EDT)

My mistake, I don't have a Phoebus, never saw one either. Mine is a Herc.

In a message dated 9/2/97 5:19:16 AM China Daylight Time, you write:

<<     Meg, Peg and Herc are in one machine.  The Phoebus quarter was
 reported before Hercules cam out in a machine with Quasimodo and
 Esmerelda.  I have seen neither Hunchback or Hercules, but I believe
 Phoebus is from Phoebus is from Hunchback.

     Mickey, if you've got a Phoebus I could certainly use the details
 and a scan/photocopy if possible.  Thanx. >>




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) DL Cataloging
Date: 01 Sep 1997 22:46:06 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 9/2/97 6:05:28 AM China Daylight Time, you write:

<< > > DIS-DL-66 Soccer Mickey
 > >   v. FL Mickey kicking soccer ball
 >     You've got me here!  I have never seen or heard of these - without any
 > words at all.  Are you sure they are different from 76, 77, & 78?

     No, I'm not 8-(  I have seen them w/ "Disneyland" and have seen
 Mickey at Bat without, but that could be the DPH issue.  In David's lists
 he listed these as "no label" for the first four months.  Then suddenly,
 without comment, added the "Disneyland".  This is one of the major
 unsolved mysteries.
  >>

Both currently exist.
The design is very similar in both. One has no text except for (c) Disney and
has a complete dot border save for a eurolink e. It is part of a 3 set with
skateboard/sunglass Mickey and rollerskate Minnie.
The other Baseball Mickey has the text Disneyland at the bottom and a
slightly, but similar Mickey. The dot border is broken by the text, hand, ear
and foot. Eurolink e in the usual spot and (c) Disney centered above
Disneyland. It is in a set with a similar Soccer Mickey and Tennis Goofy.



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From: Slave to Lady Nikki <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) DL Cataloging
Date: 01 Sep 1997 21:03:36 -0600 (MDT)

On Mon, 1 Sep 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> In a message dated 9/2/97 6:05:28 AM China Daylight Time, you write:
>
> << > > DIS-DL-66 Soccer Mickey
<snip>
>      No, I'm not 8-(  I have seen them w/ "Disneyland" and have seen
>  Mickey at Bat without, but that could be the DPH issue.  In David's lists
<snip>

> Both currently exist.

    I know this is true for the Baseball Mickey coin (the no-text
version is DIS-DPH-1), but have you ever seen either of the others (Tennis
Goofy or Soccer Mickey) without "Disneyland" on them?  I still haven't
found confirmation on these two. If either of these can be confirmed then
I will assume the set of three were originally issued without text.

    Peace,

        Aahz (who's losing hair a handful at a time ;)

~~~Creator of Butterflies, Guardian Angel, Slave to Lady Nikki
~~Ex-Vampire Hunter (Got caught by the only one I need)
~~~~List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List
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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) cleaning those pennies...
Date: 01 Sep 1997 22:00:55 -0700

On 9/1/97 9:26 AM [e-mail] ([e-mail] ) wrote

>Anyone have any cautions about this I should know about???

Regarding erasers:

Yah, don't get caught by your boss with 50 pencils in your hands (near
the office supplies cabinet!)...  8-)

Actually, I have some pennies that had a heavy patina on them (dark brown
color). I smashed them, then use an eraser to go over just the raised
parts of the design, and it looks very cool!

bc





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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Phoebus Follow Up
Date: 01 Sep 1997 22:32:57 -0700

On 9/1/97 8:25 AM John & Nancy Wooten ([e-mail] ) wrote

>> << 9/29/96 Kevin Christensen reported to r.a.d.p. that he had found (amongst
>>  other known issues) a quarter with Phoebus (from Hunchback).  Nikki
>>  reports that she believes she has seen one as well though she can't find
>>  it in her collection.  Any one know anything about this issue? >>
>>
>> Sure, Meg, Peg and Phoebus are on quaters at Disneyland. I've traded for a
>> few of them. I'll send you details if you still need to catalog them.
>
>I believe that's Meg, Peg, and Herc.  Never saw a Phoebus
>
>Nancy

I checked the Disney Records site and found this (Quasi, Phoebus and
Esmeralda):

>Quasimodo, Phoebus, and the Gypsies held off the
>soldiers. But, when Quasimodo turned to tell
>Esmeralda the good news, he found her lying deathly
>still. "Esmeralda? Oh, no!"

The DL quarter machine (which I have visited numerous times) has Quasi,
Victor/Hugo/Lavern, and Esmeralda...

Bert



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From: Slave to Lady Nikki <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Phoebus Follow Up
Date: 01 Sep 1997 23:40:10 -0600 (MDT)

On Mon, 1 Sep 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> I checked the Disney Records site and found this (Quasi, Phoebus and
> Esmeralda):
>
> >Quasimodo, Phoebus, and the Gypsies held off the
> >soldiers. But, when Quasimodo turned to tell
> >Esmeralda the good news, he found her lying deathly
> >still. "Esmeralda? Oh, no!"

    Esmerelda DIES?!?!  Now Nikki'll never get me to see this film.

~~~Creator of Butterflies, Guardian Angel, Slave to Lady Nikki
~~Ex-Vampire Hunter (Got caught by the only one I need)
~~~~List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List
~~~~~~~~"My name is Aahz and I'm a Tinkaholic"  "Hello Aahz!"




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From: "tink!!!" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Phoebus Follow Up
Date: 01 Sep 1997 22:50:20 -0700

> > >Quasimodo, Phoebus, and the Gypsies held off the
> > >soldiers. But, when Quasimodo turned to tell
> > >Esmeralda the good news, he found her lying deathly
> > >still. "Esmeralda? Oh, no!"
>
>     Esmerelda DIES?!?!  Now Nikki'll never get me to see this film.

that's what HE thinks...

-nikki
--
"There's still a part of me that's
16 and I'm going to nuture it"-Keith Richards
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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disney Trip Tip!
Date: 01 Sep 1997 22:52:12 -0700

On 9/1/97 4:16 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>
>On Sun, 31 Aug 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:
>
>> Hey, Disneyland is near, so see as many of you there as possible. I will
>> post a "trip report" complete with pictures (if I can get Aahz to sign a
>> model release)!  8-)
>
>    No problem, though you'll have to to talk to my agent/master about
>current rates. And autographs autographs are extra! ;)
>
>Aahz

Hey Slave Aahz,

I already have an email from Nikki saying she didn't need you Mon through
Fri and so I could use your slave labor on some (landscaping) projects I
have, soooo, don't be thinkin' you're gonna' have any time for
autographs!  8-)

bc/LK



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disney Trip Tip!
Date: 01 Sep 1997 23:00:13 -0700

On 9/1/97 4:23 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

><WARNING RANT AHEAD>
>
>    Ya know this just irritates me.  Aside from the fact that I'm the
>sort that still picks up pennies in the street, this is the very attitude
>that is making it more and more likely Congress will pull the penny all
>together!  I know there's all the arguments about retailers rolling
>prices up or down to the nearet nicke, but what about US?!?  All of a
>sudden my 51c a piece hobby is going to become an 80c a piece hobby.
>Multiply that by 1500 coins (estimated count including DL trip and WDW set)
>and we're talking a price difference of $435 assuming all coins purchased
>at issue price!!!  We can't let 'em do away with the penny and "throwing
>away" pennies is just going to make it more likely!!!
>
></rant mode off>

Hmmmm, so if Congress kills the penny, are they talking about bringing
back to the Treasury ALL pennies in circulation? If current pennies were
left in circulation then we'd all be in good shape (cause we all use
pre-82's, yes?)...

Now, if they take away my pre-82's, then I will have to purchase
uncirculated pennies from coin dealers (which I have done anyway)... And
hey, smashed dimes, quarters, etc won't have the Zinc problem. Don't get
me wrong, I want the penny to stay in circulation, but I'm not using
current pennies (thanks to Jeff Dixon gettin' me smart on pre-82's).

Anyone know if the Canadian government is thinking about doing away with
their pennies?

bc



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From: Slave to Lady Nikki <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disney Trip Tip!
Date: 02 Sep 1997 00:08:36 -0600 (MDT)

On Mon, 1 Sep 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> Hmmmm, so if Congress kills the penny, are they talking about bringing
> back to the Treasury ALL pennies in circulation? If current pennies were
> left in circulation then we'd all be in good shape (cause we all use
> pre-82's, yes?)...

    Slowly they'll pull 'em yeah.  And I'm sure all these wonderful
tourist spots are just going to love having a mchine that becomes
exponentially less useful as each day passes.  We're talking the end of
the penny machine within six months.

> Now, if they take away my pre-82's, then I will have to purchase
> uncirculated pennies from coin dealers (which I have done anyway)... And
> hey, smashed dimes, quarters, etc won't have the Zinc problem.

    This reminds me of something I've been meaning to ask.  Current
silver (colored) coinage is called clad.  What metals are in there?  Are
we going to have the long-term deterioration problems that have been
theorized with the zinc pennies?

> Anyone know if the Canadian government is thinking about doing away with
> their pennies?

<aghast>

    But, Bert.  Smashing Canadian coinage is a crime!

;)

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~Creator of Butterflies, Guardian Angel, Slave to Lady Nikki
~~Ex-Vampire Hunter (Got caught by the only one I need)
~~~~List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List
~~~~~~~~"My name is Aahz and I'm a Tinkaholic"  "Hello Aahz!"




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From: "tink!!!" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disney Trip Tip!
Date: 01 Sep 1997 23:11:54 -0700

> > No problem, though you'll have to to talk to my agent/master about
> > current rates. And autographs autographs are extra! ;)
> >
> > Aahz
>
> Hey Slave Aahz,
>
> I already have an email from Nikki saying she didn't need you Mon
> through Fri and so I could use your slave labor on some
> (landscaping) projects I have, soooo, don't be thinkin' you're
> gonna' have any time for autographs!  8-)
>
> bc/LK

bert,
it has been brought to my attention that in the doing of your
landscaping labors, my slaves hands might become roughened, so i must
regretfully take beck my previous offer.  so sorry if this causes any
problems for you.

-nikki
--
"There's still a part of me that's
16 and I'm going to nuture it"-Keith Richards
http://www.concentric.net/~dvlgrl66/
dc.d f--- s+ h+ cbryteG^wP a $ (m) d++ fr+ L<1m bF e g i!



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disney Trip Tip!
Date: 01 Sep 1997 23:46:15 -0700

On 9/1/97 11:08 PM Slave to Lady Nikki ([e-mail] ) wrote

>On Mon, 1 Sep 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:
>
>> Hmmmm, so if Congress kills the penny, are they talking about bringing
>> back to the Treasury ALL pennies in circulation? If current pennies were
>> left in circulation then we'd all be in good shape (cause we all use
>> pre-82's, yes?)...
>
>    Slowly they'll pull 'em yeah.  And I'm sure all these wonderful
>tourist spots are just going to love having a mchine that becomes
>exponentially less useful as each day passes.  We're talking the end of
>the penny machine within six months.

Soooo, there will be a market of CHEAP penny smashing machines, that I
could pick up for say, a nickel or two? If penny machines did go away,
what would that do to the 'value' of our collections?

What are the REAL chances Congress will be able to kill off something as
loved as the Lincoln penny?

Infoseek found 85,432 pages containing the word penny! Congress may be
thinking about this, but I would guess as they get further into it, it
will not be as easy as they think.

>> Now, if they take away my pre-82's, then I will have to purchase
>> uncirculated pennies from coin dealers (which I have done anyway)... And
>> hey, smashed dimes, quarters, etc won't have the Zinc problem.
>
>    This reminds me of something I've been meaning to ask.  Current
>silver (colored) coinage is called clad.  What metals are in there?  Are
>we going to have the long-term deterioration problems that have been
>theorized with the zinc pennies?

OK, here ya go, from the Smashed Coin Locator Web site:

US Quarter (1996 Coins)
Obverse: Washington
Designer: John Flannagan
Reverse: Heraldic Eagle
Designer: John Flannagan
Composition: Cupro-nickel Clad: 8.33% Ni: 91.67% Cu
Standard Weight: 5.670g
Standard Diameter: 0.955 in.>
Edge: Reeded

Aahz, you do raise a good point that I have been thinking about. Many
(and I mean MANY) materials have sulphur and other acidic chemicals in
them. People that have fine silver buy special cloth bags that have none
of these chemicals, and they keep their silver in these bags (guess I
learned something from my parents -- the antique dealers!). Also, there
are 'archival' quality supplies for photographs, and other valuables.

Soooo, I got to wondering about what chemicals are in the 2x2's I just
got from TEC? If there are chemicals in there that are going to slowly
start eating away at my collection, then I want to find some 2x2's that
are 'archival' quality. I want to hand down my collection some day, in
good condition... Perhaps Ray Dillard could tell us where the 2x2's are
made and we could investigate...

>> Anyone know if the Canadian government is thinking about doing away with
>> their pennies?
>
><aghast>
>
>    But, Bert.  Smashing Canadian coinage is a crime!

It IS a crime IN Canada! Canada, last time I checked, does not extradite
US citizens (or anyone else) for smashing Canadian coins outside of their
borders. The US has no laws against smashing other country's coins (at
least as far as internet searches of US Law indicates). The only illegal
act is smashing any coins in Canada, and I don't think I'll ever do that!



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disney Trip Tip!
Date: 01 Sep 1997 23:47:43 -0700

On 9/1/97 11:11 PM tink!!! ([e-mail] ) wrote

>bert,
>it has been brought to my attention that in the doing of your
>landscaping labors, my slaves hands might become roughened, so i must
>regretfully take beck my previous offer.  so sorry if this causes any
>problems for you.
>
>-nikki

OK, I'll confine his activities to smashing pennies (but not Canadian
Pennies!)...

bc



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) DL Cataloging
Date: 01 Sep 1997 23:55:37 -0700

On 9/1/97 8:03 PM Slave to Lady Nikki ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    I know this is true for the Baseball Mickey coin (the no-text
>version is DIS-DPH-1), but have you ever seen either of the others (Tennis
>Goofy or Soccer Mickey) without "Disneyland" on them?  I still haven't
>found confirmation on these two. If either of these can be confirmed then
>I will assume the set of three were originally issued without text.

I got these 3 pennies approx. 5 months ago and all have Disneyland on
them...

Different Disney Topic:

I also have some Disney coins which look like they came from a hand crank
machine, not a Eurolink issue. I will bring them Sunday for you to see
and catalog. These are Mickey's 60th Birthay (Quarter, Dime, Nickel and
Penny). Does anyone else have these and know anything about them?

bc



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From: Matthew Birchard <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) cleaning those pennies...
Date: 02 Sep 1997 00:04:26 -0700 (PDT)



On Mon, 1 Sep 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> I was just scanning thru Kathy's FAQ's, and came upon the methods of cleaning
> pennies... sounds very MESSY.... Has anyone tried "erasing" their pennies?  I
> found out they polish up perfectly with an ordinary pencil eraser. (I found
> this out by mistake at the office one day, trying to get a stubborn spot off
> of one of my coins.) It's very quick, too!  Anyone have any cautions about
> this I should know about???
>
I've been off-line for the weekend, so pardon me if this has been said
already.  I've got well over a hundred messages to read through and I'm
replying as I go.  (okay, disclaimer stuff off)  To make erasing your
coins even easier, stick a pencil into a electric drill press.  Either an
actual drill press or a hand-held drill.  Turn that sucker on and a
polishing you will go.  It works great I might add.

Matt Birchard
TEC #1848
Portland, Oregon
USA

e-mail:  [e-mail]



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From: Slave to Lady Nikki <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disney Trip Tip!
Date: 02 Sep 1997 01:07:38 -0600 (MDT)

On Mon, 1 Sep 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> >    Slowly they'll pull 'em yeah.  And I'm sure all these wonderful
> >tourist spots are just going to love having a mchine that becomes
> >exponentially less useful as each day passes.  We're talking the end of
> >the penny machine within six months.
>
> Soooo, there will be a market of CHEAP penny smashing machines, that I
> could pick up for say, a nickel or two?

    Now there's a thought I hadn't considered!  That makes ONE point
for the 'remove the penny' side.

> If penny machines did go away, what would that do to the 'value' of our
> collections?

    Well, what *I* consioder value wouldn't change at all.
Financially, I doubt it would make probably make little difference,
numismatists already consider us evil for 'destroying' and 'defacing'
coins. (Okay, 'evil' is an exaggeration).  Long-term I don't se it
affecting anything although it does decrease the chance of rerolls.

>
> What are the REAL chances Congress will be able to kill off something as
> loved as the Lincoln penny?
>
> Infoseek found 85,432 pages containing the word penny! Congress may be
> thinking about this, but I would guess as they get further into it, it
> will not be as easy as they think.

    Every year for at least the last 15 a bill has been introduced to
remove the penny from circulation.  A lot of people support the idea (and
there are valid points on both sides).  I'd say it's probably gonna happen
by 2010 and most likely sooner.  Odds are it'll barely make the paper
before the vote occurs.  The REALLY sad thing is that a large portion of
the numimatic community also supports the idea, so the people willing to
actuvely campaign against it are relatively few.

> >    This reminds me of something I've been meaning to ask.  Current
> >silver (colored) coinage is called clad.  What metals are in there?  Are
> >we going to have the long-term deterioration problems that have been
> >theorized with the zinc pennies?
>
<snip>

    Thanx for the info, but my chemistry sucks.  I just wanna know
wether we're gonna have the same probs.

> Soooo, I got to wondering about what chemicals are in the 2x2's I just
> got from TEC? If there are chemicals in there that are going to slowly
> start eating away at my collection, then I want to find some 2x2's that
> are 'archival' quality. I want to hand down my collection some day, in
> good condition... Perhaps Ray Dillard could tell us where the 2x2's are
> made and we could investigate...

    Archival quality 2x2s are available for traditional coinage,
though each holder may well cost more then the elongate you're going to
put into it.  The TEC 2x2s are certainly not archival.  But then, we're
talking about metal here, not paper.  I don't think you've got to worry
about your collection making it to little Bert.  I doubt the zincs will
even have a prob by then.  the zincs may have a prob by the time he passes
them down, but I just look at old traditional coinage and don't really
forsee a problem that's worth the cost of stopping it with elongates.

> >    But, Bert.  Smashing Canadian coinage is a crime!
>
> It IS a crime IN Canada! Canada, last time I checked, does not extradite

    Technicality ;)


~~~Creator of Butterflies, Guardian Angel, Slave to Lady Nikki
~~Ex-Vampire Hunter (Got caught by the only one I need)
~~~~List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List
~~~~~~~~"My name is Aahz and I'm a Tinkaholic"  "Hello Aahz!"




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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) DL Cataloging
Date: 02 Sep 1997 00:07:31 -0700

On 9/1/97 12:41 AM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    DPH - Disney Pacific Hotel (Is this the proper name?)

The Disney web site says:

>Disneyland Pacific Hotel

So just change your Disney to Disneyland and you got it!

bc



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From: Slave to Lady Nikki <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) DL Cataloging
Date: 02 Sep 1997 01:16:00 -0600 (MDT)

On Mon, 1 Sep 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> >    I know this is true for the Baseball Mickey coin (the no-text
> >version is DIS-DPH-1), but have you ever seen either of the others (Tennis
> >Goofy or Soccer Mickey) without "Disneyland" on them?  I still haven't
>
> I got these 3 pennies approx. 5 months ago and all have Disneyland on
> them...

     My research shows the suspected change occuring in July 1996.

> Different Disney Topic:
>
> and catalog. These are Mickey's 60th Birthay (Quarter, Dime, Nickel and
> Penny). Does anyone else have these and know anything about them?

    Here's the scoop on these coins. (I have some and I traded some to
Nancy as well- mine are for trade for other discontinued Disney coins).
    These were Frank Brazzell dies. When Frank died, they
passed to Willy.  Willy rolled a small number of them and then the die
cracked (or somesuch, not really sure).
    Those rolled by Willy have his 'custom' 3-d reverse (and MAY have
his initals 'WCM' on them.  I BELIEVE the numbers were 100 cents, 75
nickels, 50 dimes rolled by Willy though I can't find my notes on this
at the moment.

    To sum up:  They weren't issued at DL, but the dies are no longer
in existence (which is more then we know about Eurolink's removed
machines).

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~Creator of Butterflies, Guardian Angel, Slave to Lady Nikki
~~Ex-Vampire Hunter (Got caught by the only one I need)
~~~~List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List
~~~~~~~~"My name is Aahz and I'm a Tinkaholic"  "Hello Aahz!"




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From: Slave to Lady Nikki <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) cleaning those pennies...
Date: 02 Sep 1997 01:16:57 -0600 (MDT)

> replying as I go.  (okay, disclaimer stuff off)  To make erasing your
> coins even easier, stick a pencil into a electric drill press.  Either an
> actual drill press or a hand-held drill.  Turn that sucker on and a
> polishing you will go.  It works great I might add.

    Wow, I've finally got a use for power tools!! <grunt grunt>
Thanx Matt!

        Aahz


~~~Creator of Butterflies, Guardian Angel, Slave to Lady Nikki
~~Ex-Vampire Hunter (Got caught by the only one I need)
~~~~List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List
~~~~~~~~"My name is Aahz and I'm a Tinkaholic"  "Hello Aahz!"




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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disney Trip Tip!
Date: 02 Sep 1997 00:40:44 -0700

On 9/2/97 12:07 AM Slave to Lady Nikki ([e-mail] ) wrote

>> >    This reminds me of something I've been meaning to ask.  Current
>> >silver (colored) coinage is called clad.  What metals are in there?  Are
>> >we going to have the long-term deterioration problems that have been
>> >theorized with the zinc pennies?
>>
><snip>
>
>    Thanx for the info, but my chemistry sucks.  I just wanna know
>wether we're gonna have the same probs.

NO Zinc! YEAH! So, no Zinc problems and no other problems I know of!

bc



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Disneyana Cataloging?
Date: 02 Sep 1997 00:51:49 -0700

On 9/1/97 12:41 AM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>Codes:
>    DIS - Short for Disney
>    DL - Disneyland (for park issues)
>    DLH - Disneyland Hotel
>    DPH - Disney Pacific Hotel (Is this the proper name?)
>    TDA - Team Disney Administration
>    v. - vertical
>    h. - horizontal
>    HS - Head Shot
>    FL - Full length

I know Disneyana conventions are not Disney sponsored, but they do have
EC's. I have 3 Disneyana quarters from 1995.

Do you (Chris) have a Code for these yet (DA perhaps?).

I'm not sure if these were Eurolink produced or not. Can someone that has
been to a Disneyana Convention shed some more light on these? Did they
have them in 96 and 97 (and prior to 95)? Were they all quarters?

bc



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From: Slave to Lady Nikki <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyana Cataloging?
Date: 02 Sep 1997 02:20:57 -0600 (MDT)

On Tue, 2 Sep 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> I know Disneyana conventions are not Disney sponsored, but they do have
> EC's. I have 3 Disneyana quarters from 1995.

    Those were actually issued at the WDW con, BTW.  Assuming they're
the ones I think they are.

> Do you (Chris) have a Code for these yet (DA perhaps?).

    I'm thinking DC - Disney Convention, but haven't finalized this
yet.  I don't want to tie myself to the term 'Disneyana' on these within
the system as there are several different clubs and I don't know how many
of them use the term 'Disneyana' (or how many issue coins, for that
matter).  For all I know 'Disneyana' is a trademarked term (like I've ever
worried about trademarks!) 'owned' by one specific club.

> I'm not sure if these were Eurolink produced or not. Can someone that has
> been to a Disneyana Convention shed some more light on these? Did they
> have them in 96 and 97 (and prior to 95)? Were they all quarters?

    I have the same questions!!!  This will probably be the next
section of the Disney catalog that I complete.  (WDW is gonna be a bear
cause Kenny Cottrell posted his updates directly to the web, bypassing the
ngs and thus they aren't archived anywhere 8-( )

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~Creator of Butterflies, Guardian Angel, Slave to Lady Nikki
~~Ex-Vampire Hunter (Got caught by the only one I need)
~~~~List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List
~~~~~~~~"My name is Aahz and I'm a Tinkaholic"  "Hello Aahz!"





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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Met Jeff...
Date: 02 Sep 1997 09:28:20 -0400

Hey everybody,

Alright.  First off, I guess I should say sorry to the list in general.  I
received
a second mention about replying and leaving too much stuff.  Normally I put
[snip] in
my posts, but I guess I'm still quoting too much.  I'll try harder for the
people who
pay per line...

>    Well, i hooked up with Jeff and Deidre Dixon a short time ago at
>Winchester Mystery House.
[snip]

On meeting with Chris, it was quite fun!  I have to say my collection isn't
in an organized fashion
yet - it's in a binder with some in 2x2 paper cases.  Otherwise, I've tried
(somewhat unsuccessfully)
to tape the coins into each holder.  The major problem is the tape doesn't
stay and the coins seem to
get pushed up against the tape.  (For the people on the list that don't
know - it's really bad to have
ECs get stuck by tape.  Some of it just doesn't come off.)

I have a stack of 2x2 holders that I need to put my collection in - but
there just hasn't been time.
*sigh*

Anyways, the Winchester Mystery House was pretty cool - even if the tour
guide seemed a little phony.
Just as Chris said, it was quite cool to have people wandering up and
looking at what we were doing.
I have to wonder if the younger people that I meet end up being more
serious collectors afterwards.
Chris has some great elongates -- I believe I made out a wee bit better on
the trade.
It just goes to show that he and I aren't in it to be "EC millionaires."

Oh!  Deirdre and I figured out the scoop behind the comment I made too.
This applies to vampire
and (ex-)vampire hunters mostly:
I meant Niki was doing a good job if not only Chris was a slave to her -
but that Chris also gave up
hunting vampires.  Alright, it was a bit cryptic...

Darn, my lava lamp burned out.  I'll have to get a replacement bulb.

Finally, for the people who wanted to know, the interview went extremely
well.  We're making the decision
next week - but I think a west coast move is "in the cards."

We're bummed that the DL trip was next weekend.  Please try to take pictures!

Hopefully we'll get to the next one. :)


- Jeff

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Jeff Dixon                [e-mail]
Software Engineer/Memory Czar
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence      http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) cleaning those pennies...
Date: 02 Sep 1997 10:28:10 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-09-02 03:05:37 EDT, you write:

<<  To make erasing your
 coins even easier, stick a pencil into a electric drill press.  Either an
 actual drill press or a hand-held drill.  Turn that sucker on and a
 polishing you will go.  It works great I might add.
  >>

Matt, the "Tim Taylor of elongates".... very cool!



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) cleaning those pennies...
Date: 02 Sep 1997 10:50:06 -0400 (EDT)

But I only erase on my lunch break!!!  <innocent look, here....convinced???>

At least if I get hurt erasing pennies at work, I have a good work comp atty.
close by.... my boss!  Thanks for the input, guys!

SheryL





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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Phoebus Follow Up
Date: 02 Sep 1997 12:32:11 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-09-02 01:35:02 EDT, you write:

> The DL quarter machine (which I have visited numerous times) has Quasi,
>  Victor/Hugo/Lavern, and Esmeralda...
>
>  Bert
>

Hi;

I second Bert's post.  I have never seen a Phoebus on any Disneyland ec. :-(

-Bob Hoff
TEC#2033



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) DL Cataloging
Date: 02 Sep 1997 12:32:08 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-09-02 02:57:34 EDT, you write:

> I also have some Disney coins which look like they came from a hand crank
>  machine, not a Eurolink issue. I will bring them Sunday for you to see
>  and catalog. These are Mickey's 60th Birthay (Quarter, Dime, Nickel and
>  Penny). Does anyone else have these and know anything about them?
>
>  bc
>

I have some from Frank B.  They do not have the Disney "c" on them..  Don't
tell Mr. Mouse. :-)

-Bob Hoff
TEC#2033



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) DL Cataloging
Date: 02 Sep 1997 12:32:22 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-09-02 07:45:08 EDT, you write:

>
>  On Mon, 1 Sep 1997 [e-mail] wrote:
>
>  > >     Haven't seen either of these yet, need confirmation that new one
>  > >  is has 'c' above and not below as David reports on his web site.
>  >
>  > Check per above!  I have one of each.  The "Disney c" placement is
correct.
>
>
>      Sorry, but I get confused easily.  You're confirming here that
>  the new coin has the 'c' ABOVE the barrell, right?

Yes.


>
>  >  The coins also differ in that the older one has an appearance  much
like
>  > that of a rubber stamp. The newer is "shaped" and 3-D in it's look and
>  > design.
>
>      Bob, can you see any differences between the coin issued in
>  the solo machine (DIS-DL-22a) and the coin issued in three three piece
>  machine (DIS-DL-98)?

One is "shinneyer" :-)

No difference that I can see.

-Bob Hoff
TEC#2033



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From: "Tomita, David" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Lengthy Hello
Date: 02 Sep 1997 10:27:33 -0700

I'm new to this mail list and I thought I'd introduce myself before
engaging in conversation.  I apologize for the length in advance but it
is exciting to know one is not alone.

I'm David Tomita and I am an...an elongaholic.  <hides face in hands>
Smashed.  Rolled.  Whatever.  I'm one.

I have been hopelessly addicted to collecting elongated coins especially
the Disney ones whether they be from Disneyland or Walt Disney World.
You may have seen my website.  Am I obsessed?  If so, I no longer feel
alone <smiles at present company>

It all started long ago in 1993 when I became a Disneyland Annual
Passholder.  When you go often you notice a lot of things that the
casual visitor might not, like these strange machines all over that
press your penny flat.

I started collecting the least expensive souvenir I could find at
Disneyland - these pressed coins.  Soon I started to seek them out so
that I could have them all.  <furtively glances about>  I think Disney
was on to me because they would move the machines around on me.  I'm
sure it was a plot to make me work harder to collect them.  But the
hobby only cost me pennies ;-) .  So then they started placing these
nickel machines to extract more coins from me.  Ha, ha, ha!  That
wouldn't stop me.  Then they hid some over in the hotel area but I found
them!   So then they put these quarter machines out there after finding
out the nuts, uh, fans in Florida would plunk down cold hard cash for
them.  Bahahahaha!!!   I can give them my hard earned cash just like the
next sucker.  Bahahaha!!!  <slap, slap>  Sorry.  Where was I?

So I started a list so I could keep track of how many there were and
where they were kept because the list Disney kept on their database was
not very detailed and not very up-to-date (maybe it is now).  Was I
sick?  Don't answer that.  <tries to hides stacks of photos of every
presser, location, etc.>

Maybe I wasn't alone in my obsession.  I tried searching websites and
such for these...these smashed coins but there wasn't anything that I
could find in 1994/95 and I didn't know exactly what they were
"officially" called.  Was there no support group out there?  <lonely
echo>

I would have to come out of my nutshell as it were to find out if I was
not alone.  Maybe if I announced my, uh, fascination, others would feel
free to admit their, uh, hobby too.  I had found other Disney fans,
maybe there were Disney elongated coin collectors too.  So I started to
post a listing of the Disneyland coins to the now defunct
rec.arts.disney newsgroup.  Lo and behold, folks would e-mail me about
them.  I was not alone!  Oh, happy, happy, joy, joy!

It is good to know I am not nuts.  Okay, maybe I'm nuts but I'm not
alone.  Okay, maybe alone but they let me out for exercise.  And I'm not
recovering, in fact, I think I'm a vector for infecting others.  My
Disney friends indulge me.  Thanks in advance for indulging me on this
lengthy introduction.  I'll try to be more succinct in the future.

Sincerely,
David Tomita
http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Shores/3599/



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) DL Cataloging YIKES!
Date: 02 Sep 1997 13:43:58 -0400 (EDT)


These coins are from the Disneyland Pacific Not the Disneyland Hotel!!

Sorry, bet that's why they don't say Disneyland or Disneyland Hotel! :-)

-Bob Hoff


> >
>  > I got these 3 pennies approx. 5 months ago and all have Disneyland on
>  > them...
>
>       My research shows the suspected change occuring in July 1996.

Bob's evil twin wrote incorrectly in a post just recently:

I'll bet you're right.  I just checked my set and no writing on the Mickey at
bat. It is part of the set from the Disneyland Hotel. It includes Mini
skateing, and Mickey sakeboarding.  None have "Disneyland" or "Disneyland
Hotel" on them.  Two of them have the "c" Disney in small type and the Mickey
at bat has only Disney in small type (looks like the "c" may have been
clogged up).  They were pressed in late June.  Could find the exact date if
you need it.

-Bob Hoff
TEC#2033
>



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) DL Cataloging
Date: 02 Sep 1997 14:18:43 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-09-02 01:55:07 EDT, you write:

> DIS-DL-97 Donald at Wheel
>    ? Donald at ship's wheel "Disneyland"

 (V)

>
>  DIS-DL-98 Mickey w/ Pistol
>    ? Cowboy Mickey w/ Pistol "Adventureland/Disneyland"

I think this should be (H) with "Frontier Land" "Disneyland"
There are two separte machines with this die.  One with
the three coins listed here and another with just one die,
the same as this die.  Don't remember an "Adventure Land" Mickey. :-(

>
>  DIS-DL-99 Cowboy Donald
>    ? Cowboy Donald lassoes aroud neck "Disneyland"

  (V)

_Bob Hoff
TEC# 2033




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) DL Cataloging
Date: 02 Sep 1997 14:18:49 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-09-02 01:55:07 EDT, you write:

> {NOTE: Coins 61-63a - I do NOT know how to tell the non-lettered from the
>  'a' versions.  However all three designs were available simultaneously in
>  two different locations.  If you can help identify which is which PLEASE
do}
>

I have an old set, issued when the play was on.  Yep.  Can't find it, but,
working on it.

-Bob Hoff



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) DL Cataloging
Date: 02 Sep 1997 14:32:04 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-09-02 03:34:45 EDT, you write:

> >
>  > I got these 3 pennies approx. 5 months ago and all have Disneyland on
>  > them...
>
>       My research shows the suspected change occuring in July 1996.


I'll bet you're right.  I just checked my set and no writing on the Mickey at
bat. It is part of the set from the Disneyland Hotel. It includes Mini
skateing, and Mickey sakeboarding.  None have "Disneyland" or "Disneyland
Hotel" on them.  Two of them have the "c" Disney in small type and the Mickey
at bat has only Disney in small type (looks like the "c" may have been
clogged up).  They were pressed in late June.  Could find the exact date if
you need it.

-Bob Hoff
TEC#2033
>




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disney Trip Tip!
Date: 02 Sep 1997 14:54:05 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-09-02 02:48:27 EDT, you write:

> >    Slowly they'll pull 'em yeah.  And I'm sure all these wonderful
>  >tourist spots are just going to love having a mchine that becomes
>  >exponentially less useful as each day passes.  We're talking the end of
>  >the penny machine within six months.
>

Bet they just open the extra solt for the third quarter and make them nickel
machines.

-Bob Hoff
TEC#2033



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) L.K. Update
Date: 02 Sep 1997 18:17:36 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 9/2/97 6:30:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time, you write:

<< >    It sounds taken 8-(  'Teclephone Electronic COmmunications' or
 >some such stole it!

 You are right!

 >It was in this era that Telephone Electronics Corporation (TEC)

 OK, http://WWW.SmashThis.COM
  >>

Then go for TEC.org




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Met Jeff...
Date: 02 Sep 1997 18:20:54 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 9/2/97 6:30:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time, you write:

<< On meeting with Chris, it was quite fun!  I have to say my collection
isn't
 in an organized fashion
 yet - it's in a binder with some in 2x2 paper cases.  Otherwise, I've tried
 (somewhat unsuccessfully)
 to tape the coins into each holder.  The major problem is the tape doesn't
 stay and the coins seem to
 get pushed up against the tape.  (For the people on the list that don't
 know - it's really bad to have
 ECs get stuck by tape.  Some of it just doesn't come off.)
  >>

try putting a tiny dot of poster adhesive putty ie; Fun-Tack inside the top
of the slide pocket. It keeps the pocket closed nicely. I also use the stuff
to mail elongates. I got the idea from Howard who has sent me quite a few
elongates stuck to cards with this stuff.



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disney Trip Tip!
Date: 02 Sep 1997 18:46:24 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 9/2/97 12:08:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time, you write:

<< > >    Slowly they'll pull 'em yeah.  And I'm sure all these wonderful
 > >tourist spots are just going to love having a mchine that becomes
 > >exponentially less useful as each day passes.  We're talking the end of
 > >the penny machine within six months. >>

But you forget, the penny machine can be converted to a nickel machine.
Change the coin inserter and the dies and we'd no longer have to worry about
steelies or zinc.



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Lengthy Hello
Date: 03 Sep 1997 00:23:40 -0400 (EDT)

Welcome David...where have you been?
As you mentioned, your postings to RAD-(RIP) infected others with squooshed
penny fever.
A couple of years ago, I saw your list on RAD and thought that it would be
fun to try to collect all of the pennies. (After your three dozenth visit to
DL, you start appreciating the more mundane things in the park) So, some
$40-some later, I had a bulging pocket and an addiction to elongates. My
family and friends quietly tolerate my hobby because, after all, it is a lot
less costly than my other option, America's Cup Racing.
So, welcome and enjoy your bulging mailbox.
Mickey M
TEC 2115



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) DL Cataloging YIKES!
Date: 02 Sep 1997 22:01:39 -0700 (PDT)


On Tue, 2 Sep 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> I'll bet you're right.  I just checked my set and no writing on the Mickey at
> bat. It is part of the set from the Disneyland Hotel. It includes Mini
> skateing, and Mickey sakeboarding.  None have "Disneyland" or "Disneyland
> Hotel" on them.  Two of them have the "c" Disney in small type and the Mickey
> at bat has only Disney in small type (looks like the "c" may have been
> clogged up).  They were pressed in late June.  Could find the exact date if
> you need it.

    Yeppers, these are the Disneyland Pacific Hotel issues (DL-DPH-1
thru 3).  I have the install date as 4/96, so late June was possible.

        Peace,

            Aahz


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++  [e-mail]
Ex-Vampire Hunter-             +  TEC # 2062
(Caught the only one I need)   +  SECA Co-Founder
Creator of Butterflies         +  CM # 182
Slave to Lady Nikki    ^^*^^   +  List-Owner:
Non-Violent Activist           +  Elongated Coin Mail List
List page: http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm




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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) DL Cataloging
Date: 02 Sep 1997 22:07:55 -0700 (PDT)



On Tue, 2 Sep 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> >  DIS-DL-98 Mickey w/ Pistol
> >    ? Cowboy Mickey w/ Pistol "Adventureland/Disneyland"
>
> I think this should be (H) with "Frontier Land" "Disneyland"

    Corredcted.  Thanx!  (I hate it when I go brain dead ;)

> There are two separte machines with this die.  One with
> the three coins listed here and another with just one die,
> the same as this die.  Don't remember an "Adventure Land" Mickey. :-(

    Yep, the other is (currently) DIS-DL-22a and was DIS-DL-22.  I
got it labeled right on those, guess I just needed an easier way to tell
the two current issues apart ;)

Aahz


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++  [e-mail]
Ex-Vampire Hunter-             +  TEC # 2062
(Caught the only one I need)   +  SECA Co-Founder
Creator of Butterflies         +  CM # 182
Slave to Lady Nikki    ^^*^^   +  List-Owner:
Non-Violent Activist           +  Elongated Coin Mail List
List page: http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm





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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disney Trip Tip!
Date: 02 Sep 1997 22:12:05 -0700 (PDT)



On Tue, 2 Sep 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

>  > >exponentially less useful as each day passes.  We're talking the end of
>  > >the penny machine within six months. >>
>
> But you forget, the penny machine can be converted to a nickel machine.
> Change the coin inserter and the dies and we'd no longer have to worry about
> steelies or zinc.

    Well, there goes the one point I gave Bert ;)  I'd much rather
seal with the zinc porobs then pay an extra .29c per coin, personally.  I
already spend WAY too much on these (not that I intend to stop ;)

        Peace,

            Aahz

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++  [e-mail]
Ex-Vampire Hunter-             +  TEC # 2062
(Caught the only one I need)   +  SECA Co-Founder
Creator of Butterflies         +  CM # 182
Slave to Lady Nikki    ^^*^^   +  List-Owner:
Non-Violent Activist           +  Elongated Coin Mail List
List page: http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm




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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) L.K. Update
Date: 02 Sep 1997 22:14:43 -0700 (PDT)


On Tue, 2 Sep 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> In a message dated 9/2/97 6:30:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time, you write:
>>>
>>> << >    It sounds taken 8-(  'Teclephone Electronic COmmunications' or
>>>  >some such stole it!
>>
>>  You are right!
>
> Then go for TEC.org

    Nope, Texas Enviromental Council.  TEC.net gets no response, but
don't you have to actually BE a net to get this domain?

Aahz

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++  [e-mail]
Ex-Vampire Hunter-             +  TEC # 2062
(Caught the only one I need)   +  SECA Co-Founder
Creator of Butterflies         +  CM # 182
Slave to Lady Nikki    ^^*^^   +  List-Owner:
Non-Violent Activist           +  Elongated Coin Mail List
List page: http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm




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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Lengthy Hello
Date: 02 Sep 1997 22:27:19 -0700 (PDT)


On Tue, 2 Sep 1997, Tomita, David wrote:

> I'm new to this mail list and I thought I'd introduce myself before

    Welcome David!

(personal note:  I am especially honored to have David on the list as he
was the first netizen I discovered that also collected elongates (this
was over two years ago), not to mention that my (and the list's) current
project wouldn't be nearly as complete as it is were it not for all of
his hard work over the last two years.)

<intro story regretfully snipped>

    That was wonderful! I laughed, I cried...

> It is good to know I am not nuts.  Okay, maybe I'm nuts but I'm not

    Trust me, you're nuts.  But you are not alone. ;)

        Peace,

            Aahz

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++  [e-mail]
Ex-Vampire Hunter-             +  TEC # 2062
(Caught the only one I need)   +  SECA Co-Founder
Creator of Butterflies         +  CM # 182
Slave to Lady Nikki    ^^*^^   +  List-Owner:
Non-Violent Activist           +  Elongated Coin Mail List
List page: http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm




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From: John & Nancy Wooten <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) DL Cataloging
Date: 03 Sep 1997 08:32:09 -0700

After looking over my three coins (tentatively numbererd DIS-DL-10 and
DIS-DL-10a) I can definitely see a difference in them.  There may be a
slight difference in the size of the ears, but what is most evident to
me is that the ears seem to be puffy (stand up) on one and a flatter
image on the other.  My problem is that the two that are alike are both
pre-'82s and the one that is different is post '82.  I wonder if the
difference could be the coin it was pressed on.

It's going to take better eyes than mine to make this final
determination.  They will be with me on Sunday, and I hope we can decide
if there really are two different dies or not.

Nancy



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) They shoot horses don't they?
Date: 03 Sep 1997 14:24:12 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-09-03 13:55:21 EDT, you write:

>     Okay, anyone wanna loan me 4000 elongates? ;)  Actually, my
>  Grandma came thru with the cash about an hour ago.  Now all I need is a
>  speedy mechanic.....
>
>          Peace,
>
>              Aahz
>
>

Be sure to bring her back a *real* nice elongated coin!! :-)

-Bob Hoff



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Lengthy Hello
Date: 03 Sep 1997 15:01:20 -0700

On 9/2/97 9:23 PM Mickey Morgan [e-mail] wrote

>Welcome David...where have you been?
>As you mentioned, your postings to RAD-(RIP) infected others with squooshed
>penny fever.
>A couple of years ago, I saw your list on RAD and thought that it would be
>fun to try to collect all of the pennies. (After your three dozenth visit to
>DL, you start appreciating the more mundane things in the park) So, some
>$40-some later, I had a bulging pocket and an addiction to elongates. My
>family and friends quietly tolerate my hobby because, after all, it is a lot
>less costly than my other option, America's Cup Racing.
>So, welcome and enjoy your bulging mailbox.
>Mickey M
>TEC 2115

David,

I want to add my welcome to Mickey's (what a great name!). I hope you can
join us this coming weekend (7th) at Disneyland for our 1st Elongates
Mailing List meeting. Let me know if you need the invitation...

(Mickey, I too am an America's nut, and find pennies much more reasonable
(cost rise)! My wife tolerates me running around looking for machines as
well. 8-)

I look forward to meeting you soon David!

Bert Creighton



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Lengthy Hello
Date: 03 Sep 1997 21:07:29 -0400 (EDT)

Hello back, David... LOVE the Disney coin locator page, keep up the great
work!

SheryL



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) A Guide to Pricing (fwd)
Date: 03 Sep 1997 19:39:57 -0700 (PDT)


Greetings and Salutations!

    I found this in rec.collecting.coins and thought that it was very
well written, so figured I'd pass it on to y'all.

        Peace,

            Aahz

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++  [e-mail]
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List page: http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Newsgroups: rec.collecting.coins


90 lines --                    ON THE VALUE OF PRICE GUIDES
(C) copyright 1997 by Michael E. Marotta <[e-mail]>

"How much is the 87-S?"
"That's thirty-seven dollars."
"Thirty-seven? Greysheet is twenty-nine."
"OK. Go buy it from them."

Red Book, Blue Book, Greysheet, Trends, Teletrade...  what a coin
is "worth" depends on why you want to know.  What ANYTHING is
"worth" depends on the CONTEXT of the question.

(1) It is a rule of GAAP (Generally Accepted Accounting
Practices) that every item is always carried on your books at
purchase price.  Thus, everything you buy is always worth what
you paid for it.

(2) Without a BUYER, there is no sale price.  So, a coin is worth
what you can sell it for.

(3) Prices change over time.  A coin (or anything else) can be
worth what it will cost you to replace it.

(4) A coin (or anything else) can be said to be worth what you
would give up to keep it.

The idea that you can look at an authoritative listing and know
what an item is "worth" is one of the many negative affects of
public schooling.  People who are insulated from markets are
prevented from learning how markets work.  Price guides, whether
the Red Book or Greysheet, or the NYSE listings in the business
section of your newspaper, only record the past.  Whether the
past is indicative of the future is arguable.

If you see a coin you want and the price guides show it at some
other price, then you can learn a lot by actively shopping for
the coin, actually looking for sellers at the price you think is
more correct.  You may find that some coins (small US Gold or
certain Hard Times Tokens, for instance) are unavailable except
at an arbitrarily large mark-up over the published prices.  For
ancient coins, this is especially true because each coin is more
clearly unique.  (In theory, every coin is unique.)

It is only the commodity nature of US Type coins that makes the
spectrum of price guides possible.  You might also find that
other coins can be had for impressively less than the published
guides claim.  Over time, prices change.  Since the supply of US
Type coins is constant, it is the demand that changes most.
Coins that were hot last year go unsold this year.  Ancient coins
are more subject to changing supplies as new hoard material
affects the price.

There are only two ways to sell anything: greed and fear.
Sometimes they come together in a moment of agoric beauty.  You
see a nice coin but it is priced way above Greysheet.  If you
pass this one up, can you buy another?  If you buy this one, will
you discover that you could have bought another for less?
Decisions, decisions...

The only question to which you have an objective answer is this:
Do you want the money in your pocket more than you want the coin?
What somebody on another continent claims that their friends
somewhere else paid for the coin yesterday is irrelevant.

To determine which seller has the best price for you right now
(whether "now" is measurable in seconds or months) depends on
knowing the markets, i.e, knowing the material, the buyers and
sellers.  Knowing the price guides is part of this.  Red Book,
Greysheet, Trends, etc., are only _editorial_ _approximations_
based on the _reported_ transactions.

Whether a buyer or a seller can be said to drive a transaction
depends on psychology, not economics.  Two dealers with the same
material will have different experiences.  Two collectors seeking
the same material will have different experiences.  You can buy
under Greysheet and sell over Redbook if you have charisma.
People who are basically unlikeable can have great agoric
charisma. The bottom line is: "it all depends..."

+------------------------------------------------------------+
|  Michael E. Marotta                      Technical Writer  |
|  ANA Member 162953                       [e-mail]  |
+------------------------------------------------------------+







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From: Paul Richards <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Virg Marshall's Flyer
Date: 03 Sep 1997 22:44:55 -0400

Hi Y'all,

I'm pretty much a lurker on this list with little or nothing to say most of
the time.  I do enjoy, however, your energetic discourse about elongates.
Neat!

Today I got a flyer from Virg Marshall, aka The Penny Merchant.  On the
back of his flyer are a whole bunch of elongates cents.  I thought you
might like to hear about this.  His prices are 55c per coin singly, 25c per
coin for 50 coins and $10 per complete series (as outlined below) which are
mounted in 2x2s.  Here's what Virg offers:

1. Great American Steam Engine Series - 20 coins
2. Prehistoric Dinosaur Series - 20 coins
3. World War II Airplane Series - 20 coins
4. Assorted topics, e.g.,
      It's a girl
      It's a boy
      23rd Psalm
      God is Love
      Appollo 13
      Scout Motto
      Jesus loves you
      VFW
5. 50th Anniversary elongates rolled out of 1941-1945 cents
      V-J day
      V-E day
      Battle of Iwo Jima
      D-day
      Pearl Harbor

The last bunch (WW II) are more expensive -- $1 each or five for 65c each.

So, what do you think?  Are these any good?  Very common?  Unusual?  If you
want to contact Virg he's at 116 West D Street, Wymore, NE 68466, phone
402-645-3341, fax [phone].

All the best to you,

Paul Richards [e-mail]
Stat-Matics http://www.statmatics.com




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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Virg Marshall's Flyer
Date: 03 Sep 1997 20:56:40 -0700

On 9/3/97 7:44 PM Paul Richards [e-mail] wrote

>Hi Y'all,
>
>I'm pretty much a lurker on this list with little or nothing to say most of
>the time.  I do enjoy, however, your energetic discourse about elongates.
>Neat!

Wow, this is great info! Thanks Paul! The planes and trains sound
great... I appreciate you taking the time to share this info and I will
contact Virg soon.

THANKS again!

Bert Creighton

(PS: You all see me coming in from another email address, since my
creightoniii account is down. We have been having rolling brown outs in
my part of San Diego county and it took our ISP's fiber optics off line.
I was told TUESDAY was the earliest they could repair it -- YIKES!)



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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) WDW penny set
Date: 04 Sep 1997 09:05:22 -0400


Hi,

I finally pulled together enough wheaties and other pre-1982's for the
remaining sets.  Everything went out today.
He should receive the package tomorrow or Saturday at the latest.

I'll keep you all posted as soon as I have more information.

- Jeff :)

 -----------------------------------------------------------------
Jeff Dixon                [e-mail]
Software Engineer/Memory Czar
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence      http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Disneyland Update
Date: 04 Sep 1997 09:49:12 -0700

Greetings Everyone,

Well, the big day is almost here - The
[e-mail]

If you are going to join us and have not RSVP'd for Breakfast or Lunch,
please send an email to me at [e-mail] (yup, my 'real'
account is back and working today). We need RSVP's only so we can get
reservations in to the restaurants.

If anyone needs the original Invitation just let me know. We start off
Sunday morning with a Breakfast (outside the park), then into Disneyland,
Lunch/Trading at the DL Hotel, and then back to the park.

The Weather Report -- It has been warm (OK, HOT) in Southern California,
with high humidity). You will want to dress for the heat, and possibly
bring some other clothes that you can keep in a locker or your car.
Sunscreen is a good idea, along with a hat (or buy a hat in the park and
have your email address embroidered on it). Hmmm, wish Pete had a Gift
Shop at the Squished Penny Museum (Wash DC) with some nice EC polo
shirts... 8-)

Soooo, dress for warm weather, bring your tradin' stock and some coins to
smash. I will be bringing a Digital Camera so we can share some of the
day with people that will be with us in 'EC spirit' rather than in
person. As Tigger says -- "Ta Ta For Now" (TTFN)...

Bert Creighton
Location Keeper



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) DL Cataloging (fwd)
Date: 05 Sep 1997 00:16:16 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings and Salutations!

    Okay, here's the recently revised, but still PRELIMINARY
Disneyland list.  Again, this is NOT the final version!!!!  These numbers
WILL be changing.  I already have confirmation of one coin that will
probably be the new DIS-DL-1, thus changing every other number.  Do not
worry, the final list WILL be posted here and made available to anyone
who wants one.

    I'm posting this revised list primarily for those heading to DL
on Sunday.  I will be leaving for LA (and thus be offline) in about 8
hours.  If you discover an error of some sort, or have a
correction/suggestion feel free to either post it to the list (quoting
ONLY the relevant portion) or directly to me in e-mail.  I'll be back
on-line late Monday nite or Tuesday.  If you're coming to the meet, and
are interested in helping with the cataloging, please print this revised
list out as it is what I am now working off of.

    Thanx again for all your help everyone!

        Peace,

            Aahz


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---------- Forwarded message ----------


Codes:
    DIS - Short for Disney
    DL - Disneyland (for park issues)
    DLH - Disneyland Hotel
    DPH - Disneyland Pacific Hotel
    TDA - Team Disney Administration
    v. - vertical
    h. - horizontal
    HS - Head Shot
    FL - Full length

DIS-DL-1 1995 Annual Passholder
  v. Castle "Jan. 6/Disneyland/19/95/Annual Passholder"

DIS-DL-2 Ron Dominguez
  v. HS Ron Dominguez "Ron Dominguez/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-3 Open House '95 Nickel
  v. FL Construction worker Mickey, "Open House '95"

DIS-DL-4 Disneyland RR
  v. Engineer Mickey in engine "Disneyland RR"

DIS-DL-5 Mickey Disneyland USA
  v. HS Mickey "Disneyland USA"

DIS-DL-6 Donald Disneyland
  v. HS Donald "Disneyland"

DIS-DL-7 Goofy Disneyland
  v. HS Goofy "Disneyland"

DIS-DL-8 Sorceror Mickey
  v. FL Sorceror Mickey "Disneyland"

DIS-DL-9 Jiminy Cricket
  v. FL Jiminy Cricket "Disneyland"

DIS-DL-10 Mickey Rays - Thick Ears
  h. HS Mickey w/ rays like sun "Mickey/Mouse/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-10a Mickey Rays - Thin Ears
  h. HS Mickey w/ rays like sun "Mickey/Mouse/Disneyland"

{NOTE: DIS-DL-10 & 10a - Which came first?  Does anyone have ear
measurements?}

DIS-DL-11 Steamboat Willie
  h. Steamboat Willie at wheel "Steamboat Willie"

DIS-DL-12 MnM Buggy
  v. Mickey and Minnie in old buggy car "Main Street U.S.A."

DIS-DL-13 AL Tiki Mask
  v. Tiki Mask "Adventureland"

DIS-DL-14 AL Indiana Jones
  v. Temple of Mara, cobra "Adventureland"

DIS-DL-15 AL Jungle Cruise
  h. Jungle Cruise Boat "Jungle Cruise/Adventureland"

DIS-DL-16 Simba
  v. DL sitting Simba "Disneyland/Simba"

DIS-DL-17 Nala
  h. FL walking Nala "Disneyland/Nala"

DIS-DL-18 Pumbaa & Timon
  h. Busts of Pumbaa and Timon eating worms "Pumbaa/Timon/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-19 Aladdin
  v. Waist up of Aladdin w/ arms crossed "Aladdin/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-20 Jafar
  v. HS Jafar "Jafar/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-21 Jasmine
  v. FL kneeling Jasmine "Jasmine/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-22 FL Cowboy Mickey
  h. Bust of Cowboy Mickey w/ pistol "Frontierland/Disneyland"
    {'c Disney' in front of gun barrell}

DIS-DL-22a FL Cowboy Mickey
  h. Bust of Cowboy Mickey w. pistol "Frontierland/Disneyland"
    {'c Disney' above gun barrell}

DIS-DL-23 Pirates of the Caribbean
  h. Pirate on cannon "Pirates/of the/Caribbean/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-24 Country Bear Playhouse
  h. Bear w/ bass "Country Bear Playhouse/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-25 Splash Mountain
  h. FL sitting Brer Rabbit "Splash Mountain/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-26 TL Starspeeder Mickey
  h. Spacesuit Mickey tethered to Starspeeder "Tomorrowland/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-27 Peter Pan
  v. FL Peter "Disneyland"

DIS-DL-28 Tinkerball
  h. FL Tinkerbell "Disneyland"

DIS-DL-29 Capt. Hook
  v. FL Capt. Hook "Disneyland"

DIS-DL-30 Snow White
  v. Bust of Snow White "Snow White/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-31 Wicked Witch
  h. Bust of Witch "Disneyland"

DIS-DL-32 Bashful
  v. FL Bashful "Bashful/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-33 Dopey
  v. FL Dopey "Dopey/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-34 Grumpy
  v. FL Grumpy "Grumpy/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-35 Doc
  v. FL Doc "Doc/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-36 Happy
  v. FL Happy "Happy/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-37 Sneezy
  v. FL Sneezy "Sneezy/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-38 Sleepy
  v. FL Sleepy "Sleepy/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-39 Pocahontas
  v. FL Pocahontas "Disney's Pocahontas/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-40 Pocahontas and John Smith
  v. Waist up - embracing "Disneyland"

DIS-DL-41 Powhatan
  v. Waist-up Powhatan "Disneyland"

DIS-DL-42 Flower
  v. FL Flower "Flower/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-43 Bambi
  v. FL Bambi "Bambi/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-44 Thumper
  v. FL Thumper "Thumper/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-45 Alice
  v. FL Alice "Alice/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-46 Pinnochio
  v. HS Pinnochio "Pinnochio/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-47 Dumbo
  v. FL Dumbo "Dumbo/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-48 Mickey Disneyland Park
  v. HS Mickey "Disneyland Park"

DIS-DL-49 Mickey Tux Nickel
  v. FL Mickey in tux and top hat "Disneyland"

DIS-DL-50 Minnie Nickel
  v. FL Minnie holding purse "Disneyland"

DIS-DL-51 40 Years/Adventure Nickel
  h. 40th anniv logo "Disneyland"

DIS-DL-52 Belle
  v. Waist up of Belle sitting "Belle/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-53 Lumiere
  v. FL Lumiere "Lumiere/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-54 Beast
  v. Bust of Beast "Beast/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-55 Winnie the Pooh
  v. FL Pooh "Winnie/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-56 Tigger
  v. FL Tigger bouncing "Tigger/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-57 Eeyore
  v. FL Eeyore sitting "Eeyore/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-58 Seasons Greetings Nickel
  v. FL Santa Mickey "Seasons Greetings"

DIS-DL-59 Happy Holidays Nickel
  v. FL Santa Goofy "Happy Holidays"

DIS-DL-60 Happy New Year Nickel
  v. Castle "Happy New Year"

DIS-DL-61 Woody
  v. FL Woody "Disneyland"

DIS-DL-61a Woody
  v. FL Woody "Disneyland"

DIS-DL-62 Buzz Lightyear
  v. FL Buzz "Disneyland"

DIS-DL-62a Buzz Lightyear
  v. FL Buzz "Disneyland"

DIS-DL-63 Green Army Man
  v. FL Army Man "Disneyland"

DIS-DL-63a Green Army Man
  v. FL Army Man "Disneyland"

{NOTE: Coins 61-63a - I do NOT know how to tell the non-lettered from the
'a' versions.  However all three designs were available simultaneously in
two different locations.  If you can help identify which is which PLEASE do}

DIS-DL-64 Mickey at Bat
  v. FL Mickey swinging bat

DIS-DL-65 Tennis Goofy
  v. FL Goofy w/ tennis racket

DIS-DL-66 Soccer Mickey
  v. FL Mickey kicking soccer ball

DIS-DL-67 Mickey Rays Nickel
  h. HS Mickey w/ rays like sun "Mickey/Mouse/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-68 Mickey Quarter
  v. FL Mickey "Disneyland"

DIS-DL-69 Castle Quarter
  v. Castle "Disneyland"

DIS-DL-70 Brer Fox, Turtle & Bear
  h. Brer Fox standing on Brer Turtle, Brer Bear holding sign "Critter
Country/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-71 Big Al
  v. Big Al "Country Bear Jamboree/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-72 Wendel
  v. Wendel "Country Bear Jamboree/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-73 Quasimodo Quarter
  v. Quasimodo "Disneyland"

DIS-DL-74 Esmerelda Quarter
  v. Esmerelda "Disneyland"

DIS-DL-75 Gargoyles Quarter
  h. Hugo, Victor and LaVerne "Disneyland"

DIS-DL-76 Mickey at Bat DL
  v. FL Mickey swinging baseball bat "Disneyland"

DIS-DL-77 Tennis Goofy DL
  v. FL Goofy w/ tennis racket "Disneyland"

DIS-DL-78 Soccer Mickey DL
  v. FL Mickey kicking soccer ball "Disneyland"

DIS-DL-79 Maleficent 1996
  v. Profile Maleficent "1996/Maleficent/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-80 Ursula 1996
  v. Waist up Ursula "1996/Ursula/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-81 Wicked Witch 1996
  v. Profile Wicked Witch w/ apple "1996/Wicked Witch/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-82 Cruella 'typo'
  v. Waist up Cruella "101 Dalmations/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-83 Pongo & Perdita 'typo'
  h. Standing Pongo and Perdita "101 Dalmations/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-84 Fireman Puppy 'typo'
  v. Puppy in Fireman's hat w/ bone "101 Dalmations/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-85 Cruella
  v. Waist up Cruella "101 Dalmatians/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-86 Pongo & Perdita
  h. Standing Pongo and Perdita "101 Dalmatians/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-87 Fireman Puppy
  v. Puppy in Fireman's hat w/ bone "101 Dalmatians/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-88 New Year 1997 Nickel
  v. FL Santa Mickey "Happy New Year/1997/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-89 Holidays 1996 Nickel
  h. Chip and Dale in Santa hats "Happy Holidays/1996/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-90 Greetings 1996 Nickel
  v. Castle "Seasons Greetings/1996/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-91 Hercules Quarter
  v. FL Hercules "Hercules/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-92 Pegasus Quarter
  h. FL sitting Pegasus "Pegasus/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-93 Megara Quarter
  v. FL Megara "Megara/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-94 Donald at Wheel
  v. Donald at ship's wheel "Disneyland"

DIS-DL-95 Mickey w/ Pistol
  v. Cowboy Mickey w/ Pistol "Frontierland/Disneyland"

DIS-DL-96 Cowboy Donald
  v. Cowboy Donald lassoes aroud neck "Disneyland"

DIS-DL-97 Donald Trombone
  v. FL Donald Playing Trombone "Disneyland"

DIS-DL-98 Jester Goofy
  v. HS Jester Goofy "Disneyland"

DIS-DL-99 Mickey Trumpet
  v. FL Mickey playing trumpet "Disneyland"

DIS-DLH-1 Hotel and Monorail
  h. DLH and Monorail "Disneyland Hotel"

DIS-DLH-2 Winnie the Pooh
  v. FL Pooh "Disneyland Hotel"

DIS-DLH-3 Tigger
  v. FL Tigger "Disneyland Hotel"

DIS-DLH-4 Eeyore
  v. FL Eeyore "Disneyland Hotel

DIS-DLH-5 Mickey
  v. HS Mickey "Disneyland Hotel"

DIS-DLH-6 Donald
  v. HS Donald "Disneyland Hotel"

DIS-DLH-7 Goofy
  v. HS Goofy "Disneyland Hotel"

DIS-DLH-8 Disneyland Hotel Quarter
  h. DLH and Monorail "Disneyland Hotel"

DIS-DLH-9 Minnie
  v. HS Minnie "Disneyland Hotel"

DIS-DLH-10 Pluto
  v. HS Pluto "Disneyland Hotel"

DIS-DLH-11 Mickey Tux
  v. FL Mickey in tux and top hat w/ cane "Disneyland Hotel"

DIS-DPH-1 Baseball Mickey
  v. FL Baseball Mickey

DIS-DPH-2 Roller Skate Minnie
  v. FL Minnie on roller skates

DIS-DPH-3 Skateboard Mickey
  v. FL Mickey w/ skateboard

DIS-TDA-1 Building/Future Nickel
  h. Gloved Mickey hands shaking hands "Building Our Future/The Pieces
Come Together"

    That's it!  Thanx again for your time, assistance, and
bandwidth.  This catalogin would never have been possible without David
Tomita's two years of hard work, so if you like it, thank him first.


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++  [e-mail]
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(Caught the only one I need)   +  SECA Co-Founder
Creator of Butterflies         +  CM # 182
Slave to Lady Nikki    ^^*^^   +  List-Owner:
Non-Violent Activist           +  Elongated Coin Mail List
List page: http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm










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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Pennies from MN Science Museum
Date: 05 Sep 1997 03:23:46 -0400 (EDT)

I'd like a set on the MN Science Museum..
I've got quite a few from around here to trade.

Mickey Morgan
36811 Gum Ct.
newark, CA 94560



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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) EBay - What is it worth?
Date: 05 Sep 1997 11:06:22 -0400

"2 Different 1933-4 Chicago Worlds fair Elongated Cents
Nice examples 1 shows train, 1 bridge.Estimate $10-15"

Item: 181135

What do people think?  It's currently at $8.50.

Thanks,

- Jeff

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Jeff Dixon                [e-mail]
Software Engineer/Memory Czar
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence      http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Newspaper Article
Date: 05 Sep 1997 14:26:50 -0700

Hi Everyone,

The San Diego Union newspaper article will appear sometime next week. It
has been submitted and is ready to go. I talked to John Wilkens today,
and he said the artwork (photos) he saw came out good. I will update you
again when we know the pub date.

Bert



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From: James Henry <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) new pennies
Date: 06 Sep 1997 11:16:56 -0500

Some friends went to Branson Missouri and got the following ones for my
daughter:

Ozarks Legacy and Legend-IMAX Theater
Lord's Prayer-I think from IMAX Theater also
Ozarks Discovery-IMAX Theater
76 Music Hal-Branson MissouriMy Lucky Penny-Branson Missouri

Husband also just got back from Chicago and got the following one there:

Navy Pier Chicago (cost $1 plus the penny-hope this isn't a sign of the
future!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Flats



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From: "..." <...>
Subject: (elongates) Welcome Back "Disneylanders"
Date: 06 Sep 1997 23:17:47 -0500

Welcome back....I want to hear all about it. Is someone going to post the
meeting's minutes? My e-mail traffic has virtually stopped now that
everyone has gone.
Unfortunately, I was not able to attend since all my savings went into
buying a newer car with air conditioning this week. I know, I know, where
are my priorities? I just couldn't stand driving around in 100 degree
weather with out air any longer.
Maybe next time....
Kathy


Visit The Penny Page!
http://truewebdesign.com/PennyPage
...



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From: James Henry <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) slow wekend
Date: 07 Sep 1997 09:32:57 -0500

I could actually catch up on some things around here.  The list went out
of existance for the weekend.  I did get a chance to work on my want
list and divided it into the different states.  Let me tell you this was
no easy task.  I think I am up to New Hampshire.  I looked at Bert's,
Kathy's, and Wally's lists and compiled it from them as well as some I
have that show zink and want pre 82 on them.  Also noticed some that I
have bought over the last year that were not on any lists so will post
those after finishing my want list.  If you want any part of the list,
please let me know and I will email out the states you are near or are
going to.  Please help out this poor soul!!!

Flats



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Welcome Back "Disneylanders"
Date: 07 Sep 1997 12:19:11 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-09-07 07:41:40 EDT, you write:

> Welcome back....I want to hear all about it. Is someone going to post the
>  meeting's minutes? My e-mail traffic has virtually stopped now that
>  everyone has gone.
>  Unfortunately, I was not able to attend since all my savings went into
>  buying a newer car with air conditioning this week. I know, I know, where
>  are my priorities? I just couldn't stand driving around in 100 degree
>  weather with out air any longer.
>  Maybe next time....
>  Kathy

Hi Kathy!

You could have purchased a LOT of EC's for the price of a car.  But, if you
will be using it in your search for elongateds, then, I guess, it's ok. :-)

-Bob Hoff
TEC#2033



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) slow wekend
Date: 07 Sep 1997 12:20:03 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-09-07 11:06:15 EDT, you write:

>  could actually catch up on some things around here.  The list went out
>  of existance for the weekend.  I did get a chance to work on my want
>  list and divided it into the different states.  Let me tell you this was
>  no easy task.  I think I am up to New Hampshire.  I looked at Bert's,
>  Kathy's, and Wally's lists and compiled it from them as well as some I
>  have that show zink and want pre 82 on them.  Also noticed some that I
>  have bought over the last year that were not on any lists so will post
>  those after finishing my want list.  If you want any part of the list,
>  please let me know and I will email out the states you are near or are
>  going to.  Please help out this poor soul!!!
>
>  Flats
>
>
Hi Flats!

Just e-mail me Lost Wages, NV and California, I'll pickup what I can for you.
 When I do get out, I maybe near a machine you need. Mind, it maybe a long
time, but, as I find 'um I'll let you know.

-Bob Hoff
TEC#2033
Bearly mobile today, but, still typing!



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From: "Tomita, David" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Tokyo Disneyland Elongate
Date: 08 Sep 1997 08:29:33 -0700

Hi folks.

There is a Tokyo Disneyland Elongate!  This is the first from there that
I know of.

(H)  Castle.  "1997 Tokyo Disneyland"

It must have been out for awhile since we are nearing the end of 1997.
It doesn't use a US denomination coin but rather a copper token that the
machine supplies for squishing.

If I can get my hands on one (anyone going to Tokyo?), I'll put the
image up at my website.  I'll ask my friend who passed this info along
to send me a photocopy of it.

David Tomita








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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Tokyo Disneyland Elongate
Date: 08 Sep 1997 11:36:34 -0400

>There is a Tokyo Disneyland Elongate!  This is the first from there that
>I know of.
Neat!

- Jeff

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Jeff Dixon                [e-mail]
Software Engineer/Memory Czar
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence      http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154



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From: "William C. Massey" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Official TEC Notice
Date: 09 Sep 1997 05:32:19 -0700

Open letter to all TEC members:

It is with great sadness that I inform you of TEC Secretary, Howard C.
Sharkey's passing.  Howard died this past Saturday of leukemia... He
will be sorely missed!

Anyone that has sent Howard a new TEC membership application during the
past few weeks, should notify me directly (email: [e-mail]).

All TEC member with membership numbers higher than  2112, should also
email me directly, becase there may be some lag time in setting up the
new TEC Secretary, Adele Vogel.

For all of you that post a TEC Membership application, please update the
application with the new TEC Secretary information:

Adele Vogel
TEC Secretary
3415 Fiebrantz Drive
Brookfield, WI 53005-3301

--
Elongatedly Yours,

    William C. Massey
           TEC Prisident



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Boulder Dam (50 Years) TRADE ITEM
Date: 09 Sep 1997 10:09:41 -0400 (EDT)

   Would anyone be interested in trading for  my Boulder  city  (Nevada)
 elongate.
   Boulder Dam   50 years  (1935-1985)    -10.75 miles  of pennies  -Guinness
   world record  . I am interested in World fair elongates ----

       Thank you     E.   Smith



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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) "Move west young man..."
Date: 10 Sep 1997 09:15:26 -0400


Hello everybody,

I have accepted Electronic Art's offer in San Mateo, California.  On
September 24th the moving trucks come to haul our stuff away.
We start cross-country driving on the 25th.  One of the cool goals of the
trip across is to rack up lots of trading stock.  If
people know of really cool locations, especially ones that no one has
reached yet, let us know in the next day or two.  We're trying
to plan out a tip schedule that hits as many penny places as possible.

On October 6th, my e-mail should be active:
[e-mail]

In the meantime, I'm notifying Big Al to ship the pennies either ASAP - or
send them to my mom halfway across.

If we're in the middle of trading (or I owe you big time (Janelle)) -
please let me know if there are specific pennies you're
interested in getting as we make our way across.

This account will become inactive on September 19th.  At that time, I'll
remove myself from the list temporarily.

- Jeff


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Jeff Dixon                [e-mail]
Software Engineer/Memory Czar
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence      http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154



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From: James Henry <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Official TEC Notice
Date: 10 Sep 1997 11:57:22 -0500

Who do we notify if our last newsletter was never received?  The last
one received was April-June.

Thanks

Kristina Henry
#2086J



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From: John & Nancy Wooten <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Boulder Dam (50 Years) TRADE ITEM
Date: 10 Sep 1997 14:02:32 -0700

[e-mail] wrote:
>
>    Would anyone be interested in trading for  my Boulder  city  (Nevada)
>  elongate.
>    Boulder Dam   50 years  (1935-1985)    -10.75 miles  of pennies  -Guinness
>    world record  . I am interested in World fair elongates ----
>
>        Thank you     E.   Smith

Would you believe I was living in Boulder City (and donated pennies for
that Guinness World Record) at that time, and don't have that elongate?
I sure would like to have it, but I'm afraid I don't have anything in
the Worlds Fair line to offer.

If there's something else you might be interested in, let me know.

Nancy



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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Newspaper article
Date: 11 Sep 1997 08:49:20 -0400


Did the elongates newspaper article come out yet?

- Jeff

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Jeff Dixon                [e-mail]
Software Engineer/Memory Czar
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence      http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Newspaper article
Date: 11 Sep 1997 06:05:34 -0700

On 9/11/97 5:49 AM Jeff Dixon ([e-mail] ) wrote

>Did the elongates newspaper article come out yet?
>
>- Jeff

Greetings Jeff,

No, the article has not come out yet. I did a follow up interview
yesterday (via phone) so some of the Disneyland info will also appear in
the article. John (the Staff Writer) said he would call me with the
publication date as soon as he has it. Sooooo, if any of the DL people
want to send him their thoughts on the trip, he'd probably love to see
them...

Stay tuned...

Bert



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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) How was Disneyland?
Date: 11 Sep 1997 09:06:55 -0400


I didn't hear - maybe the e-mail passed through my fingers...

Did you all have fun?!?!?!?

- Jeff

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Jeff Dixon                [e-mail]
Software Engineer/Memory Czar
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence      http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Location Keeper Update
Date: 11 Sep 1997 06:09:10 -0700

Hi Everyone,

Here's some info I just recieved. I am going to post locations to the
list as soon as I get them, then will get them into html and on the
Smashed Coin Locator site... MANY thanks to [e-mail] for these
locations!

Washington State:

- Point Defiance Zoo & Aquarium - Tacoma, Wa  (image of a shark)
- Bavarian Village - Leavenworth, Wa  (image of village buildings)

Oregon:

- Bonneville Fish Hatchery, Bonneville Dam (near Cascade Locks, Wa.,
image of
sturgeon or dam)
- Seaside, OR (image of turnaround on Main Street)
- Depoe Bay, OR (shows image of "World's Smallest Harbor")
- Timberline Lodge, Mt. Hood, OR (image of the historic lodge)
- Rockaway Beach, OR (image of Twin Arches rock formation)

California:

- Wild Bill's Wild West Show Attraction, Buena Park, CA (image of logo)

Idaho:

- Silverwood Amusement Park (Athol, ID)



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) How was Disneyland?
Date: 11 Sep 1997 06:10:14 -0700

On 9/11/97 6:06 AM Jeff Dixon ([e-mail] ) wrote

>I didn't hear - maybe the e-mail passed through my fingers...
>
>Did you all have fun?!?!?!?
>
>- Jeff

Good Morning!

Give me a few minutes (it is 6am here) and I will get some info out...

bc



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) ANAHEIM ANGLES ELONGATE (on pre 82 penney) (baseball team)
Date: 11 Sep 1997 18:01:00 -0400 (EDT)

    Hi everyone !
          What  kind of trade offer would anyone like to make for this
elongate?  Please,
    pre 82 elongate pennies only.  Let,s  talk --- maybe  we can make a
trade.
    Thank you     E.   Smith



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) ANAHEIM ANGLES ELONGATE (on pre 82 penney) (baseball team)
Date: 11 Sep 1997 21:09:05 -0400 (EDT)

Get hold of an ANAHEIM MIGHTY DUCKS Elongate, and we'll talk!    :o)

SheryL



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From: John & Nancy Wooten <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) ANAHEIM ANGLES ELONGATE (on pre 82 penney) (baseball team)
Date: 11 Sep 1997 19:00:37 -0700

[e-mail] wrote:
>
>     Hi everyone !
>           What  kind of trade offer would anyone like to make for this
> elongate?  Please,
>     pre 82 elongate pennies only.  Let,s  talk --- maybe  we can make a
> trade.
>     Thank you     E.   Smith

Is this the new penny from the Team Mickey shop????

Nancy



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) ANAHEIM ANGLES ELONGATE (on pre 82 penney) (baseball team)
Date: 11 Sep 1997 19:09:38 -0700

On 9/11/97 7:00 PM John & Nancy Wooten ([e-mail] ) wrote

>Is this the new penny from the Team Mickey shop????
>
>Nancy

Nancy, where is the Team Mickey shop? Are you referring to the one at the
Hotel?

Bert



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From: John & Nancy Wooten <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) ANAHEIM ANGLES ELONGATE (on pre 82 penney) (baseball team)
Date: 11 Sep 1997 19:38:40 -0700

Bert Creighton wrote:
>
> On 9/11/97 7:00 PM John & Nancy Wooten ([e-mail] ) wrote
>
> >Is this the new penny from the Team Mickey shop????
> >
> >Nancy
>
> Nancy, where is the Team Mickey shop? Are you referring to the one at the
> Hotel?
>
> Bert

Hi, Bert!

Yes, that is the name of the shop right behind Mickey's Toy Box where
you found the machine that made the four new pennies.

Nancy



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) ANAHEIM ANGLES ELONGATE (on pre 82 penney) (baseball team)
Date: 11 Sep 1997 20:11:47 -0700

On 9/11/97 7:38 PM John & Nancy Wooten ([e-mail] ) wrote

>Hi, Bert!
>
>Yes, that is the name of the shop right behind Mickey's Toy Box where
>you found the machine that made the four new pennies.
>
>Nancy

Nancy,

Thanks, I needed that name for the DL Trip report I am posting tonight...
URL to follow soon!

The 4 designs in that hand crank machine are (left to right):

1) Angels

2) My Lucky Ball Marker (golf ball marker)

3) My Lucky Penny, Anaheim, CA

4) I Love You! California

bc



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Road Trip - Day 1
Date: 11 Sep 1997 22:10:53 -0700 (PDT)


Friday September 5th -

    Got my rental car around 8:00 am (which is about when I normally
wake up ;) and finally got out of town around 10:30 or so.  Somewhere
around Monterey I realized I had forgotten the CA map I had marked all
the reported and possible machine locations on!  (AARRGGHH!!) Luckily I
had remembered to bring the hard copies of the individual reports, so I
was still okay.
    I decided to skip over Santa Cruz and Monterey as they are both
within easy day trip distance for me and I can pick those coins up
later.  My first coupla stops were around Big Sur, but I came up empty
handed, no one new what I was talking about, and they were pretty sure
there were no such machines in the area.   Next on the 'possible' list
was Hearst Castle and San Simeon.  Neither the castle itself or any of
the nearby gift shops had a machine.  I even checked in the Wood Carving
Museum and Store to no avail.
    Undaunted I headed for Morro Bay where Bob Hoff had reported two
machine locations.  The first he mentioned was a shop at 333
Embarcadero.  Embarcadero is the street that runs along the water and I
found 333 without much difficulty.  The shop is in a center called Bob's
and has a big yellow sign that is difficult to miss.  The machine,
however, has been moved.  I spoke with Bob while he was removing the
fixtures from 333 and moving them across the courtyard to 345
Embarcadero.  He informed me that the machine was broken, but that it
would be installed at 345 Embarcadero when it was operating again.  I
was able to get a few samples that they had behind the desk though :)  It
is a horizontal Sea Otter design.
    The other machine Bob reported in Morro Bay is in front of The
Captain's Gift Shop which is a couple blocks South of Bob's on the
opposite side of the street.  (I have misplaced the business card, but
will report the actual address when I find it)  The machine was on the
porch of the shop and while I was rolling the shopkeeper came out and
asked why I was rolling so many.  I gave him the spiel and he invited me
inside.  He dumped out his little bag of misrolls and spares and out
tumbled a dozen elongates from other places!  He sold me these for a
quarter apiece.  Woohoo!  Most were from CA and NV with my favorite being
a Bob's Big Boy issue showing Big Boy with the words "Across the street
from Disneyland" around the bottom.  Anyone one know if this Bob's still
exists?!?  Or when it closed? (Yes, I know the chain went under but we
still have one independent Bob's up here)
    Flush with penny excitment I returned to the road and headed for
San Luis Obispo and the Madonna Inn.  The Madonna Inn is VERY difficult
to miss from the freeway (101), but the exit is Madonna Rd.  There seems
to be some confusion on the LK pages about this, but that should make it
easy to find.  Somehow I got the impression that there were three
machines at the Madonna, but there are only two.  I asked about a half
dozen employees and all confirmed there are only two.  One is in the main
lobby (NOT regisration) between the coffee shop/restaraunt/Ladies Shop.
This machine has the Madonna Inn logo.  The other is downstairs in front
of the the Gourmet Shop and has a picture of the Inn.  The lady in the
Gourmet Shop is the Eurolink contact so if you have any questions ask
her.  The logo machine was broken, but I managed to get some extras from
her as well.
    On the road again I stopped at a few small antique shops but
found no elongates (or vampires for that matter :).  I pulled into
Beullton and Andersen's Pea Soup just before 5:00, but their machine was
down and no one knew about extras so I headed into Solvang.
Unfortunately Solvang starts closing down at 5, so I was only able to
locate two machines.  The Viking machine is in front of the Solvang
Clothing Company at 1651 Copenhagen.  The windmill machine is in The
Snack Shop which is located in the back of a small shopping center at the
end of Copenhagen across Alibal Street.  Unfortunately the shop was
closed so I couldn't get any 8-(
    By the time I tracked these down it was edgin near 6 o' clock and
I was supposed to meet up with Nikki at 7:00.  So, I skipped over Santa
Barbara and headed straight for Pasadena.  I would been pretty close to
ontime, too, but didn't count on traffic at 7:30pm.  (Only in LA!!)  I
ended up arriving at her friend's house (who had graciously offered to
let me crash there) a little after eight and spent the rest of the
evening doing my best to embarass Lady Nikki in front of her best friend
<eg>
    That's about it for Friday, but stay tuned for day two....

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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Road Trip - Day 2
Date: 11 Sep 1997 22:21:34 -0700 (PDT)


Saturday, September 6th-

    Well having been up late (and both Nikki and I having a severe
allergy to mornings 8-) Nikki and I didn't get moving on Saturday until a
little after noon.  Nikki had discovered on the day before I headed South
that she could get free tix to Universal Studios so we decided to
postpone our stop there until my next trip.
    Instead we headed for Pacific Park at the Santa Monica Pier.  There
are, as reported, three machines on the pier.  The first is the horizontal
with the pier pictured and the Santa Monica banner.  This machine is located
next to one of the carnival games (rings on coke bottles - BIG Scooby Doo
prize currently).  The second machine is in the main arcade and is a
horizontal with the Pacific Park logo.  The third machine is outside a shop
called The Ink Spot and has the octopus on it.
    After enjoying the pier and the ocean for a while we headed for
Knott's Berry Farm.  There are 13 machines at KBF.  Gina had provided us
with a map with 12 of the locations marked and Nikki found the 13th.
Many of the machines blend in well to the suroundings, so Gina's map was
a godsend.  Locations and descriptions will be heading Bert's way shortly
so they should be up on his page in the near future.  If you need/want
details just ask and I'll be happy to share.
    We spent several hours at KBF finding the machines and taking in
some rides then headed for the Motel to try and rest up for the next
day.  Stay tuned for details of day three - aka DISNEYLAND!!!

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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Road Trip - Day 3
Date: 11 Sep 1997 22:51:40 -0700 (PDT)


Sunday, Septembre 7th -
DISNEYLAND MEET!!!

    Not surprisingly, Nikki and I got a late start for breakfast, but
we managed to arrive at Belisle's somewhere near 9:00.  After a quick
round of introductions: Bert, Diedre (Bert's wife), Alex (Bert and
Deidre's son), Elbert Smith, Nikki and myself (Apologies if I got any
names wrong!) we ordered and started in on conversation.  Bert handed out
some special coins he had managed to scrounge up (Yes all this and freebies
too!) and conversation centered around the day ahead and many of the same
topics we often discuss here on the list.  It was GREAT to have people to
talk/share/brag with.
    After breakfast Elbert had to head home and take care of part of
his 'honey-do' list, but he promised to return for lunch and the trade
session.  Alex was ready for a morning nap so Deidre took him back to the
hotel and Bert, Nikki and I headed for the park.  After waiting a few
minutes in front of the gate we entered and headed straight to ...... the
ATM!  Yep, wallets were empty, but pennies were waiting.  Nikki grabbed a
couple rolls of quarters without difficulty at the bank, so this IS possible.
    Next stop was the train depot to collect the Disneyland RR coin.
This has got to be the oldest coin still available in the park.  The
machine is obviously from Eurolink's early days.  While I was rolling my
first DL elongates and we spoke of general penny topics a very nice lady
jumped into the conversation and I suddenly realized that we had found
John and Nancy!  We were running slightly behind schedule (isn't that
what schedules are for?), but they were waiting for us in the train
depot.  After more brief introductions we headed off to continue the quest.
    Bert had been in the park collecting the night before and Nikki,
John and Nancy are regular visitors, so I was the only one rolling coins
that day.  Probably a good thing as it still took a solid two hours for
me to roll two sets and I didn't even make it to all the machines before
lunch!  Everyone got along great with conversation focusing on DL and, of
course, elongates.  Sometime around noon we started heading out of the
park to make it to the hotel in time for the trade session.
    Meeting back up in the lobby of the DLH we also managed to be
found by Gina and her friend (sorry, I'm blanking on her name :( ).
After a little confusion and a fair amount of wandering (forty pounds of
pennies gets awfully heavy in that heat) we ended up at Stromboli's for
lunch.
    I thought we asked for a table for ten, but we got a table for
eight.  We ordered and just as the food arrived and the coins started to
come out Elbert and his son (another name I don't remember, sorry)
arrived followed shortly by Corey and Emily Wylde and Jim Thorpe.  By
this time collections and trade stock were moving around thoroughly and
coins were changing hands all over the place.  The rest is chaos,
wonderful chaos, but chaos.  It was great!!!
    I THINK I got the chance to talk and trade with everyone there.
Everyone helped smooth out my DL Catalog (final list to be posted this
weekend) and Corey showed me a couple of older issues I was unaware of.
A number of topics were covered in my conversations: machine locations,
choice of coins to roll, TEC, value, trading theory, etc.  I have no idea
what I traded away (too much going on to deal in anything but raw
numbers) but I managed to pick up several no longer available DL coins
from the Wootens, a number of TEC and coin show issues from Corey, some
California issues from Gina, a bunch of San Deigo and a few hawaii from
Bert and some WDW issues from Jim.
    After a couple of hours the restaraunt was closing and we were
down to a small group which headed over to the Wooten's room.  Bert, Jim,
John and Nancy, Nikki and myself spent another hour and half or more over
there discussing elongates in general and DL issues specifically.
Another coupla trades were made, then Nikki and I headed back to the
park.  I hadn't been there in over 10 years and didn't get a chance to do
anything but collect on my first couple hours in the morning.  I don't
know how long the rest stayed and talked, but they weren't showing any
signs of tiring when Nikki and I bowed out.
    Back at the park I found the machines I had missed in the
morning, we went on a few rides, then watched Fantasmic!  This show
wasn't around last time I was there, but it is awesome.  I had jammed the
Hunchback quarter machine on my morning visit and it wasn't repaired by
closing, so I will have to get those on my next trip down.  Also I
somehow managed to entirely miss the Pocohontas machine, although I hit
the sports machine twice.  Oops!
    All in all I have to say it was an amazing day!  Everyone was
really nice, the trading was hot and heavy, and we were at Disneyland!
    Stay tuned for details of day four....

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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Road Trip - Day 4
Date: 11 Sep 1997 22:58:08 -0700 (PDT)


Monday, September 8th -

    Monday I dropped Nikki off at work around noonish (yep we were
late again ;) and headed north on I-5.  As Magic Mountain approached I
suddenly found my car pulling to the right and it ended up in the Magic
Mountain parking lot, so I just HAD to go in and collect more pennies ;)
I found five triple machines for a total of 12 pennies and 3 quarters.
Specifics will be sent to Bert as usual.
    Back on the road I realized my only planned stop was Harris
Ranch, so I just went into auto-pilot mode and spent the ride reliving
the weekend.  The machine at Harris Ranch is located in the gift shop
near the restaraunt, but was down (thanx Eurolink ;) and they didn't have
any extras.
    I had planned on stopping by both Santa Nella (there's a Pea Soup
Andersen's there) and Casa de Fruita on my way back, but lack of sleep
was finally catching up with me and I headed straight home.
    Arriving safely I didn't even take the time to unload the car but
headed straight to bed for some much needed rest.

    Stay tuned for a summation and the things I forgot in the other
posts...


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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Road Trip - Summation and Omissions
Date: 11 Sep 1997 23:12:00 -0700 (PDT)


Omissions -

    Not surprisingly, I forgot a few things in my rather lengthy
previous posts.  So, here we go:

Friday:  Also stopped in Pismo Beach.  I asked a young kid who was
rollerblading near the pier if he knew where the machine was and he
pointed me in the right direction.  The machine is in a sortof mini-mall
right next to the pier called Pismo Boardwalk Plaza.  It's at the very
end of Pomeroy.  If you have trouble finding it ask any of the locals
where the arcade is as it's right down the street.  The machine is in
front of one of the shops inside the mall.

Saturday:  Nikki and I stopped by the Hollywood Wax Museum and Ripley's
on our way to Knott's.  The Wax Museum machine is right inside the lobby
so you can wander up to it without paying.  Unfortunately it was broken
and the main gift shop was closed, so no extras.  The Ripley's machine is
also in the lobby (Ripley's lobby of course) and was working.  These are
the two oldest looking machines I have seen.  They didn't have any
company name visible, but the machines look like they're from the 70's at
least and the header cards gave me the impression of the 50's.
    Oh, did I mention I managed to jam the Hammerhead machine at
Knott's ;)

Summation -

    This whole trip was great!  I've met five people from the list so
far and all have been great people.  It's going to take me several weeks
to catalog all the coins I received on the trip, so I'm going to be out
of the trade scene for a little while.  I should be notifying those of
you who 'placed orders' with me of what I have for you tomorrow or
Saturday.  I also owe several people for coins you have sent me and will
get you an updated trade list ASAP.
    I will be back down in the LA area the weekend of October 4th.
Nikki and I will be going on the Universal Studios tour so will be able
to get both City Walk and Studios issues.  We will also be attending
Knott's Scary Farm that evening so will be able to fill any KBF holes
then as well.  That Sunday we'll be apartment hunting.  It's come time
for me to get outta San Jose again, so I'll be moving down to Pasadena
around November 1st.  We may very well swing by DL again that day, but
I'm not sure as of right now.

        Peace,

            Aahz


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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) EBay - What is it worth?
Date: 11 Sep 1997 23:31:47 -0700 (PDT)


On Fri, 5 Sep 1997, Jeff Dixon wrote:

> "2 Different 1933-4 Chicago Worlds fair Elongated Cents
> Nice examples 1 shows train, 1 bridge.Estimate $10-15"
>
> Item: 181135
>
> What do people think?  It's currently at $8.50.

    Okay, I'm probably WAY too late with this info, but.....

    For two CWF issues the $15 high end is reasonable.  Without
knowing which specific coins we're discussing I can't get more specific,
but around $8 a piece is still in the right range.

        Peace,

            Aahz


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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) "Move west young man..."
Date: 11 Sep 1997 23:52:18 -0700 (PDT)


On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Jeff Dixon wrote:

> I have accepted Electronic Art's offer in San Mateo, California.  On

    Congratulations Jeff!  That's wonderful news.

> We start cross-country driving on the 25th.  One of the cool goals of the

    Are you coming across on 80?  I'll try to work up a list of
possibles off that route for ya.

        Peace,

            Aahz


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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Official TEC Notice
Date: 11 Sep 1997 23:58:39 -0700 (PDT)


On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, James Henry wrote:

> Who do we notify if our last newsletter was never received?  The last
> one received was April-June.
>
> Thanks
>
> Kristina Henry
> #2086J

    I'd recommend you e-mail Corey Wylde ([e-mail]).  He's the
TEC editor and mails out the issues.  Things are somewhat in disarray
with Howard's extended illness and recent death, but Adele Vogle is the
new Secretary.  Be sure to point out to Corey that you have received
previous issues so it's not just a new member thing.

    If he can't help you out let me know and I'll come up with plan B.

        Peace,

            Aahz


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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Location Keeper Update
Date: 12 Sep 1997 00:01:03 -0700 (PDT)


On Thu, 11 Sep 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> Here's some info I just recieved. I am going to post locations to the
>
> California:
>
> - Wild Bill's Wild West Show Attraction, Buena Park, CA (image of logo)

    This place is right down the street from Knott's very close to
the Hollywood Wax Museum and Ripley's.  Nikki and I passed it and upon
seeing the sign (it's hard to miss) I said: "Now there's a place that
should have a penny machine."  I KNEW I shoulda stopped!

    Oh well, I'll be sure to swing by when I'm down again in a coupla
weeks.

        Peace,

            Aahz


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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) "Move west young man..."
Date: 12 Sep 1997 08:40:06 -0400


me: We start cross-country driving on the 25th.

chris:  are you coming across on 80?  I'll try to work up a list of
        possibles off that route for ya.

me:  Yup, route 80 seems to be the quickest way.  I think we'll probably
taking a making a stop for a couple of days
     in Illinois.  Already on the ticket:  Great America, Gurnee.  Place
your orders now!  *grin*

me: I have accepted Electronic Art's offer in San Mateo, California. [snip]

chris:    Congratulations Jeff!  That's wonderful news.

Thanks Chris, and everybody else that has congratulated me on the move!
We're extremely excited.

The real question is:

When is the next Disneyland get together?  Or, are we going to meet at a
different place?

See ya all soon,

- Jeff

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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) "Move west young man..."
Date: 12 Sep 1997 09:32:39 -0700

On 9/12/97 5:40 AM Jeff Dixon ([e-mail] ) wrote

>The real question is:
>
>When is the next Disneyland get together?  Or, are we going to meet at a
>different place?

Jeff,

I am getting some new locations on 80 (should have them from a friend
returning from vacation this Sunday)... So stay tuned...

Since some of us are Annual Passholders, another DL trip is _ALWAYS_ in
order. The Wooten's mentioned they may be in the area in early December,
and that would work for the Creightons... Soooo, the 1st Holiday EC
Collecting Trip may be born... What does everyone think? DL should have
their Holiday coins out and the park will be decorated (and much less
crowded)... sounds like a recipe for fun!

bc



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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) "Move west young man..."
Date: 12 Sep 1997 14:13:05 -0400

Bert said:
[snip]
>Soooo, the 1st Holiday EC Collecting Trip may be born...
>What does everyone think? DL should have their Holiday coins out
>and the park will be decorated (and much less
>crowded)... sounds like a recipe for fun!

Are there special coins that are only available for the holidays???

Oooh.  Sounds like a good idea to me!

- Jeff :)

P.S.  Any route 80 penny location help will be MUCH appreciated.





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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Bob's Big Boy EC
Date: 12 Sep 1997 15:51:14 -0400 (EDT)


Hi;

Aahz just mentioned that he picked up a Bob's Big Boy -Accross from
Disneyland ec and asked about it.

I happend to roll one myself about four years ago.  The Bob's was accross
Harbor Blvd. near the Disneyland employee entrace.  It was located in a
converted Howard Johnson's.  Had to be one of the smallest BBB's I've
visited.  They were in business for a VERY short time.  That ec is a real
keeper in my opinion!  Can't believe I was so close to that ec and didn't
find it!  Good hunting, Chris!

Happy Collecting,

-Bob Hoff
TEC#2033

P.S.  My PC crashed and ate my mail again, so if you e-mailed me Thursday or
Friday AM, please send it out again, don't want you to think I forgot you!



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Newspaper Next Thursday
Date: 12 Sep 1997 15:40:26 -0700

Hi Everyone,

I just heard from John Wilkens at the San Diego Union, and he said the
elongated coin article will run next Thursday. Like the locations of
penny machines on wheels... this date could change - but Thursday is what
he has been told. I ask John to get me extra copies for TEC, The Squished
Penny Museum, and some extras...

Stay Tuned...

Bert



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Disneyland Trip Web Page
Date: 12 Sep 1997 15:50:45 -0700

Greetings Everyone,

I put together a quick trip report on Disneyland, including some JPEG
pictures from an Apple digital camera. The URL is:

http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/dlmainpage.html

I know, another one of those huge URL's from Bert! What are ya' gonna' do!

Check out the site and let me know what you think. I have not given this
URL out to anyone outside our mailing list, Corey and Willy at TEC, and
my friend Jeff (provider of Iowa sites). Oh, I did let John Wilkens know
about it, but asked him not to include it in the newspaper article, since
I didn't know how the Disneyland guests would feel about this (ie, I
didn't get any model releases signed!)... 8-)

While looking at the Trip Report, be sure to see the NEW LOCATION, a hand
crank at Disneyland Hotel (and it is NOT Eurolink)!

Enjoy...

bc



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From: [e-mail] (Jeanne M. Shepard)
Subject: (elongates) Display of elongates
Date: 12 Sep 1997 23:17:29 -0500

Hi!  I'm new to this list as well as collecting elongates.  This is just
fascinating to me!  My collection is pretty small, approx. 35 coins, but I
don't know how to display them.  How does everyone else display them?

Thanks!

Jeanne




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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyland Trip Web Page
Date: 13 Sep 1997 09:47:00 -0400

Thanks to Bert and Chris for there respective accounts of the Disneyland
expedition.  Sounds like it was great fun for all.

I would've liked to have been there but the $500.00+ round trip airfare
kind of put a damper on that idea.

Hey...  When's the East Coast Disney World trip???

Ben



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyland Trip Web Page
Date: 13 Sep 1997 07:23:06 -0700

On 9/13/97 6:47 AM Mary C. and Ben L. ([e-mail] ) wrote

>Hey...  When's the East Coast Disney World trip???
>
>Ben

Ben,

When do you want it to be?  8-)

Pick a date, and start working towards it...

bc



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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyland Trip Web Page
Date: 13 Sep 1997 10:18:44 -0400

Bert Creighton wrote:
>
> On 9/13/97 6:47 AM Mary C. and Ben L. ([e-mail] ) wrote
>
> >Hey...  When's the East Coast Disney World trip???
> >
> >Ben
>
> Ben,
>
> When do you want it to be?  8-)
>
> Pick a date, and start working towards it...
>
> bc

OK, I'll pick up that gauntlet.

Anyone else out there interested in an East Coast meet?  Hopefully someone out there
knows a bit more about DisneyWorld than I...  (I know nothing.)

???????????????????

Ben



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) ANAHEIM ANGLES ELONGATE (on pre 82 penney) (baseball team)
Date: 13 Sep 1997 11:37:52 -0400 (EDT)

    THIS PENNEY IS FROM THE DISNEYLAND HOTEL AREA --(the machine is
    a hand -cranker in a clear  plastic cabinet) !
    Thank you   E.    Smith
  PS.  --SOME OF YOU MIGHT WANT TO PICK THIS COIN UP YOURSELF---OR
            MAYBE WE COULD  MAKE SOME TYPE OF TRADE. I have several of these
coins.






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From: Susan Wilson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) ANAHEIM ANGLES ELONGATE (on pre 82 penney)
Date: 13 Sep 1997 11:44:52 -0500

Is anyone interested in trading for a "Doc" EC.  I have several coins from
Mrytle Beach, SC including a "House of Blues"

Let me know
>
>
>
>
>



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Welcome Jeanne
Date: 13 Sep 1997 09:02:12 -0700

On 9/12/97 9:17 PM Jeanne M. Shepard ([e-mail] ) wrote

>Hi!  I'm new to this list as well as collecting elongates.  This is just
>fascinating to me!  My collection is pretty small, approx. 35 coins, but I
>don't know how to display them.  How does everyone else display them?
>
>Thanks!
>
>Jeanne

Hi Jeanne,

Welcome to the list! It is great having you join us. You'll find great
people here and lots of good info on ECs (Elongated Coins).

You can contact Ray Dillard to purchase "2x2's" also called "two by
two's." These are 2" by 2" cardboard holders with a clear plastic window
that is elongate shaped. Ray sells these -- 300 for $12.00, 500 for
$18.00, 1000 for $32.00 and 3000 for $70.00. Once you get your coins in
the 2x2's you can get some 2x2 sheets. I got some at Fry Electronic's
here in California (in the photo section). Check your local coin stores
for 2x2 sheets (they are just like the clear plastic sheets that hold
35mm slides... Then you are off and running...

If you want to order from Ray, make your check Payable to "TEC" and send
it to:

    Ray Dillard
    P.O. Box 161
    Fenton, MI 48430

One more thought, you may want to ask the list about polishing coins
before putting them in 2x2's... We have had some discussions about that
in the past... I now use only pre-1982 pennies and I get them
uncirculated from coin shops. I don't have to polish coins before or
after smashing them and I get GREAT results. 1982 and later coins will
smash with Zinc showing through the copper and Zinc will eventually cause
problems for your coins... We've had discussions on Zinc in the past, so
you may also want to ask about this... I believe ... has been
archiving important threads of this list on her FAQ's... You can find
Kathy's www pages and many more on my Smashed Coin Locator (URL below).

Hope all this helps.

Bert Creighton
Location Keeper
Smashed Coin Locator
http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/SmashedCoins.html



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyland Trip Web Page
Date: 13 Sep 1997 12:13:14 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-09-13 10:32:20 EDT, you write:

> Anyone else out there interested in an East Coast meet?  Hopefully someone
out
> there knows a bit more about DisneyWorld than I...  (I know nothing.)
>

I'm interested.  I've been to WDW twice (January 96 and January 97), but it
is such a great place it's already acheived "tradition" status with me.
 After Thanksgiving and before school spring breaks is the least crowded and
cheapest, hence all the "Sunshine Getaway" deals that you get from the travel
agents.  I think the package was $600 last time (airfare from Boston, three
nights on site hotel, unlimited passes to the three parks, and some extras
like free breakfasts and the WDW CD-ROM).  For the especially warm blooded,
though, be warned the temperature doesn't get much above 75 or below 50
around then.  I think that's perfect, but some people disagree.



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyland Trip Web Page
Date: 13 Sep 1997 13:08:38 -0700 (PDT)


On Sat, 13 Sep 1997, Mary C. and Ben L. wrote:

> OK, I'll pick up that gauntlet.
>
> Anyone else out there interested in an East Coast meet?  Hopefully someone out there
> knows a bit more about DisneyWorld than I...  (I know nothing.)
>
> ???????????????????


    What's to know, Ben?  It's M. Mouse's second home and the largest
known collection of elongating machines in the world!  That's enough info
for me ;)

    Seriously, though.  The best net source for WDW info seems to be
WDWIG (Walt Disney World Information Guide) hosted by Deb Willis
(Willits?).  I'm sure one of our Disney fans can provide the URL.

    A WDW meet would be awesome!  Make sure it's an extended thing
though as it's a MUCH larger area then DL and give yourselves PLENTY of
time for a trade session.  I keep entering contests to win a trip back
there, but haven't won yet 8-(  If I do, you know I'll make the trip when
some of you can as well!

        Peace,

            Aahz


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re:  Re: (elongates) Disneyland Trip Web Page
Date: 13 Sep 1997 17:47:50 -0400 (EDT)

>>    Seriously, though.  The best net source for WDW info seems to be
>>WDWIG (Walt Disney World Information Guide) hosted by Deb Willis
>>(Willits?).  I'm sure one of our Disney fans can provide the URL.

http://www.wdn.com/dwills/

this is a pretty good sight...



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) "Move west young man..."
Date: 13 Sep 1997 15:43:21 -0700 (PDT)


On Fri, 12 Sep 1997, Jeff Dixon wrote:

> me:  Yup, route 80 seems to be the quickest way.  I think we'll probably
> taking a making a stop for a couple of days
>      in Illinois.  Already on the ticket:  Great America, Gurnee.  Place
> your orders now!  *grin*

    I'll keep things simple for ya.  I WANT IT ALL 8-)  Just pick me
up one of everything, Jeff and I'm sure we'll be able to work something
out.  Hopefully we can get together some time after you arrive here and
before I leave for Pasadena.

> The real question is:
>
> When is the next Disneyland get together?  Or, are we going to meet at a
> different place?


    Personally, I'd prefer we have the next West Coast meet somewhere
other than DL.  I mean, DL was great, but I always prefer variety.  Any
other ideas?

        Peace,

            Aahz


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From: Paul Richards <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Shipping Cent Rolls
Date: 13 Sep 1997 19:45:30 -0400

Hi friends,

Paul Richards here -- one of those lurkers.  I appreciate your enthusiam
about elongates.  Yours is one of my favorite lists to read.

About 10 years ago I bought a mint-sewn bag (5000) of BU 1979-D Lincolns
from a dealer who sold them to me for $80 plus shipping.  It occurred to
me, as I was reading some of your posts, that you folks might be interested
in a few rolls of these to SQUISH with.

Trouble is, I deal with single coins, not rolls, and I have no experience
(zero) shipping them in quantity.  If you can tell me how to work out a
shipping cost schedule, I'll be happy to roll up these pennies and send
them to individuals on the list for, say, $1.10 per roll (i.e., a 30c
mark-up per roll).

How about making postage topic of discussion?  What are fair postage and
handling charges in the mail-order coin business?  Stat-Matics policy is a
flat $3.50 per order, but this seems unfair for small orders (e.g., one or
two coins under $50) and over-fair for large orders (e.g., four slabbed
coins insured up to $500).  More specifically, what should P&H charges be
for pre-82 Lincoln rolls?  For one roll?  For 10?  For 50?

I see in the back of Numismatic News that Arlan Kramer in Pennsylvania
charges $1.50 for a 1979-D roll, plus $4 P&H, plus 25c per roll west of the
Rockies.  This is probably about right, but maybe a little creative
thinking can bring the price down.

So what do you think?

Paul Richards [e-mail]
Stat-Matics http://www.statmatics.com




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyland Trip Web Page
Date: 13 Sep 1997 23:58:42 -0400 (EDT)

Bert, thanks for making a web page of the DL trip. I'm sorry that I couldn't
make it.
One thing, who are the people in the restaurant? The photo needs a caption.
You guys look nothing like I had imagined.





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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) "Move west young man..."
Date: 14 Sep 1997 00:03:01 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 9/14/97 7:46:16 AM China Daylight Time, you write:

<<     Personally, I'd prefer we have the next West Coast meet somewhere
 other than DL.  I mean, DL was great, but I always prefer variety.  Any
 other ideas?
  >>

     Fisherman's Wharf in San Francisco has about 15 pennies, Marine World
now has 11 pennies. Speaking of which, I just came back from there heavily
laden with squooshed pennies. 5 sets of 8 or 9 pennies. Going once...
      I'd like a meet up here in the Bay Area some time soon.




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyland Trip Web Page
Date: 14 Sep 1997 00:05:39 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 9/14/97 5:11:20 AM China Daylight Time, you write:

<<     A WDW meet would be awesome!  Make sure it's an extended thing
 though as it's a MUCH larger area then DL and give yourselves PLENTY of
 time for a trade session.  I keep entering contests to win a trip back
 there, but haven't won yet 8-(  If I do, you know I'll make the trip when
 some of you can as well!
  >>
You then should be entering the Family Fantasy sweepstakes on Disney.com.
They are giving away a trip to all four parks plus a DCL cruise!



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyland Trip Web Page
Date: 14 Sep 1997 00:08:09 -0400 (EDT)

How about the last week of Aug, 1998?
I've got a DCL cruise booked then and I'll be in town goin elonongate-crazy.

In a message dated 9/13/97 11:32:20 PM China Daylight Time, you write:

<< Anyone else out there interested in an East Coast meet?  Hopefully someone
out there
 knows a bit more about DisneyWorld than I...  (I know nothing.)

 ???????????????????

 Ben
  >>




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Re: DISNEYLAND TRIP
Date: 14 Sep 1997 00:29:42 -0400 (EDT)

    H i--
           I want to thank Bert Ceighton for planning the DISNEYLAND meeting,
     (convention), --It was great fun to meet other elongate collectors and
talk
      about elongate collecting. I am new to this hobby---this meeting in
Anaheim,
      Calif. increased  my interest in elongates.
       Thank   you
                           E.   Smith

        Ps.---from time to time I will offer a coin for trade ---I hope to
expand my collection  and assist you in expanding your collection.




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Marine World EC Update.
Date: 14 Sep 1997 02:10:40 -0400 (EDT)

Fellow squishers,
     I just returned from Marine World, an they've got some new coins.
     First, let me help you out on how to get into this place for some
rolling without getting nailed for $5 parking and $28 for admission.
     I showed-up about 90 minutes before closing and the parking booths were
closed (kaching, $5 saved.) I then tried to enter through the hand-stamp
re-entry, bzzzt, nailed by the guardian of the gate "do you have a
hand-stamp?" Uh-no I replied, being honest to a fault. I explained my desire
to ruin some coinage while trying to keep from foaming at the mouth. She sent
me to the "Guest Relations" booth where I repeated my spiel to a disbelieving
second-assistant-junior-manager-in-training. He shrugged and told me that if
I left a credit card, he would give me an hour in the park. BANG-I'm off like
a rocket. In hind sight, it would have been easier to simply go backwards
through the gift shop into the park.
     I managed to collect 5 sets of 7 coins and take in the shark encounter
(hey , I'm still honest, didn't I just dump twenty bucks in their machines?
And sharks are still among the coolest creatures in the world) before heading
for the gate. At the last machine (hopelessly jammed,) some kid showed me a
dinosaur coin. Doh! I missed a machine, so I and Achille my stroller went
chugging up dinosaur hill where we found the new Dinosphere attraction and
two brand new machines.
The machine count is 11, but two, the logo coin and the Orca were jammed. So
it goes when you collect at the end of the day.

Now the update:
Besides the previously reported coins:
MWAUSA Logo, Tiger, Orca, elephant, Koala, Shark, Walrus.
There are four new coins.
Vertical Giraffe (naturally) under a tree text MARINE WORLD above, AFRICA USA
below, no signature, dot border, SF penny co machine. Location: restrooms
next to "midway"
Vertical Flamingo on one leg, text the same as above, no signature, dot
border, SF Penny Machine Co. Location: restrooms next to main aquarium.
Horizontal Tyrannosaurus, right side, same details as above, Location:
entrance of Dino Sphere
Horizontal triceratops, left side, same details as Tyrannosaurus.

Anyone with some places of interest sets can call me for a trade. I'm looking
for amusement parks, zoos, tacky tourist places etc.

Is it just my luck, or has anyone else noticed that SF penny machine co
presses are rarely out of adjustment, while Eurolink has lots of machines
that make bad pressings?

Mickey M
Been there, done that, got the souvenier pressed penny.



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Marine World EC Update.
Date: 13 Sep 1997 23:18:57 -0700 (PDT)


On Sun, 14 Sep 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

>      First, let me help you out on how to get into this place for some
> rolling without getting nailed for $5 parking and $28 for admission.

    Always good info!!  I mean, if they're not going to kick down an
elongate, they ain't getting my cash!

> a rocket. In hind sight, it would have been easier to simply go backwards
> through the gift shop into the park.

    When I stopped by MW this 'back door' entry was locked up 8-(
Admittedly, it WAS the middle of the afternoon on a Sunday, but hey.

> Anyone with some places of interest sets can call me for a trade. I'm looking
> for amusement parks, zoos, tacky tourist places etc.

    As you know, Mickey, I'm interested in all of them.  I've got
some KBF for ya, just give me a count.

> Is it just my luck, or has anyone else noticed that SF penny machine co
> presses are rarely out of adjustment, while Eurolink has lots of machines
> that make bad pressings?

    It's not just you!  I've been saying the same thing for months.
Not to mention that this is the first report I've heard of an SFPMC
machine being jammed.

> Mickey M
> Been there, done that, got the souvenier pressed penny.

    Gotta love that line 8-)

        Peace,

            Aahz




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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Catalog for DIS-DL, -DLH, -DPH, -TDA, and -TDL
Date: 14 Sep 1997 03:28:54 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings and Salutations!

    Huzzah! It's finally done!  I've completed the first segment of
my new catalog.  This segment covers all known coins issued at or about
Disneyland, Disneyland Hotel, Disneyland Pacific Hotel, Team Disney
Administration building, and Tokyo Disneyland.  Segments on WDW, the
Disneyana conventions, and non-official issues will follow at a later date.

    There surely will be minor changes to the catalog, but the key
points (code numbers and titles) are set finalized.  If you can fill in
any of the unknown dates please let me know.

    This catalog would never exist if it weren't for the help of all
of you!  Specifically I'd like to thank David Tomita for his two plus
years of tracking these coins and Nancy Wooten for her assistance both in
refining the information and proofreading.

    The catalog itself will follow in a seperate message so that
anyone wishing to use it can have a 'clean copy'.  I'm releasing this
catalog to the public domain and encourage everyone to use it as you
wish.  Personally I'd like to see it up on someone's web site so we can
all point people to it in the future.  I'd also like to see any on-line
images or discussion of these coins use these code numbers and titles.
The purpose of creating this catalog was to simplify discussion of these
coins.

    Comments, questions, criticism, more information is always welcome!

        Peace,

            Aahz


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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Disney elongates catalog
Date: 14 Sep 1997 03:38:13 -0700 (PDT)


        Aahz' Catalog of Disney Elongated Coins

    The following catalog has been placed in the public domain.  The
cataloging system was created by Chris Aahz, who also compiled the
information into the format below.  This work would not have been
possible without the assistance of The Elongated Coin Mailing List and
numerous other Disney and elongated coin enthusiasts.  Special thanx go
out to David Tomita and Nancy Wooten.
    Comments, questions, criticisms, or further information should be
sent to: [e-mail] or [e-mail]

 Codes:
         DIS - Short for Disney
         DL - Disneyland
         DLH - Disneyland Hotel
         DPH - Disneyland Pacific Hotel
         TDA - Team Disney Administration
     TDL - Tokyo Disneyland
         v. - vertical
         h. - horizontal
         HS - Head Shot
         FL - Full length
      CA - Currently Available

 DIS-DL-1 Disneyland Ray Mickey
   h. Small Mickey HS w/ rays like sun "Disneyland"
    Installed: ??/??    Removed: ??/??
    Notes: Believed to be the first official Disney elongate

 DIS-DL-2 Disneyland RR
   v. Engineer Mickey in engine "Disneyland/RR"
    Installed: ??/??    Removed: CA
    Notes: Believed to be the oldest currently available Disney elongate

 DIS-DL-3 MnM Buggy
   v. Mickey and Minnie in old buggy car "Main Street U.S.A./Disneyland"
    Installed: ??/??    Removed: 6/95

 DIS-DL-4 Cowboy Mickey - Open
   h. Waist up of Cowboy Mickey w/ pistol "Frontierland/Disneyland"
    Installed: ??/??    Removed: ??/??
        Notes: 'c Disney' in front of gun barrel, also a 'flat' image

 DIS-DL-4a Cowboy Mickey - Open
   h. Waist up of Cowboy Mickey w. pistol "Frontierland/Disneyland"
    Installed: ??/??    Removed: CA
        Notes: 'c Disney' above gun barrel, also a 3D image

 DIS-DL-5 Pirates of the Caribbean
   h. Pirate on cannon "Pirates/of the/Caribbean/Disneyland"
     Installed: ??/??    Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-6 Country Bear Playhouse
   h. FL Bear w/ bass "Country Bear Playhouse/Disneyland"
    Installed: ??/??    Removed: 10/96

 DIS-DL-7 Splash Mountain
   h. FL sitting Brer Rabbit "Splash Mountain/Disneyland"
    Installed: ??/??    Removed: 10/96

 DIS-DL-8 TL Starspeeder Mickey
   h. Spacesuit Mickey tethered to Starspeeder "Tomorrowland/Disneyland"
    Installed: ??/??    Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-9 Mickey Rays - Flat Ears
   h. HS Mickey w/ rays like sun "Mickey/Mouse/Disneyland"
    Installed: ??/??    Removed: ??/??

 DIS-DL-9a Mickey Rays - 3D Ears
   h. HS Mickey w/ rays like sun "Mickey/Mouse/Disneyland"
    Installed: ??/95    Removed: ??/97
     Notes: I believe the process used to make these 3D images was
first used by Eurolink in 1995, so this coin was probably Installed early
that year.

 DIS-DL-10 Mickey Sixty Years
   h. FL Mickey in front of b-day logo, "Sixty Years/Mickey/Disneyland"
    Installed: ??/88    Removed: ??/88
    Notes: Believed to be the first official limited run DL elongate

 DIS-DL-11 35th Anniversary
   v. Castle, 35th anniv. logo, "35/Years of Magic/Disneyland"
    Installed: ??/90    Removed: ??/90

 DIS-DL-12 1995 Annual Passholder
   v. Castle "Jan. 6/Disneyland/19/95/Annual Passholder"
    Installed: 1/6/95    Removed: 1/6/95
    Notes: Not actually a machine in the park, this coin was handed
out at the gate on AP Night

 DIS-DL-13 Donald Disneyland
   v. HS Donald "Disneyland"
    Installed: ??/??    Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-14 Goofy Disneyland
   v. HS Goofy "Disneyland"
    Installed: ??/??    Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-15 Mickey Disneyland USA
   v. HS Mickey "Disneyland/USA"
    Installed: ??/??    Removed: 6/95
    Notes: Similar to DIS-DL-49, but "USA" changed to "Park"

 DIS-DL-16 Jiminy Cricket
   v. FL Jiminy Cricket "Disneyland"
    Installed: ??/??    Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-17 Sorcerer Mickey
   v. FL Sorcerer Mickey "Disneyland"
    Installed: ??/??    Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-18 Steamboat Willie
   h. FL Steamboat Willie at wheel "Steamboat Willie"
    Installed: ??/??    Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-19 Tiki Mask
   v. Tiki Mask "Adventureland"
    Installed: ??/??    Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-20 Temple of Mara
   v. Temple of Mara, cobra "Adventureland"
    Installed: ??/??    Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-21 Jungle Cruise
   h. Jungle Cruise Boat "Jungle Cruise/Adventureland"
     Installed: ??/??    Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-22 Simba
   v. FL sitting Simba "Disneyland/Simba"
    Installed: ??/??    Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-23 Nala
   h. FL walking Nala "Disneyland/Nala"
    Installed: ??/??    Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-24 Pumbaa & Timon
   h. Busts of Pumbaa and Timon eating worms "Pumbaa/Timon/Disneyland"
    Installed: ??/??    Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-25 Aladdin
   v. Waist up of Aladdin w/ arms crossed "Aladdin/Disneyland"
    Installed: ??/??    Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-26 Jafar
   v. HS Jafar "Jafar/Disneyland"
    Installed: ??/??    Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-27 Jasmine
   v. FL kneeling Jasmine "Jasmine/Disneyland"
    Installed: ??/??    Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-28 Peter Pan
   v. FL Peter "Disneyland"
    Installed: 4/95     Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-29 Tinkerbell
   h. FL Tinkerbell "Disneyland"
    Installed: 4/95     Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-30 Capt. Hook
   v. FL Capt. Hook "Disneyland"
    Installed: 4/95     Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-31 Snow White
   v. Bust of Snow White "Snow White/Disneyland"
    Installed: 4/95     Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-32 Wicked Witch
   h. Bust of Witch "Disneyland"
    Installed: 4/95     Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-33 Bashful
   v. FL Bashful "Bashful/Disneyland"
    Installed: 4/95     Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-34 Dopey
   v. FL Dopey "Dopey/Disneyland"
    Installed: 4/95     Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-35 Grumpy
   v. FL Grumpy "Grumpy/Disneyland"
    Installed: 4/95     Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-36 Doc
   v. FL Doc "Doc/Disneyland"
    Installed: 4/95     Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-37 Happy
   v. FL Happy "Happy/Disneyland"
    Installed: 4/95     Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-38 Sneezy
   v. FL Sneezy "Sneezy/Disneyland"
    Installed: 4/95     Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-39 Sleepy
   v. FL Sleepy "Sleepy/Disneyland"
    Installed: 4/95     Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-40 Pocahontas
   v. FL Pocahontas "Disney's Pocahontas/Disneyland"
    Installed: 5/95     Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-41 Pocahontas and John Smith
   v. Waist up - embracing "Disneyland"
    Installed: 5/95     Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-42 Powhatan
   v. Waist-up Powhatan "Disneyland"
    Installed: 5/95     Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-43 Flower
   v. FL Flower "Flower/Disneyland"
    Installed: 5/95     Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-44 Bambi
   v. FL Bambi "Bambi/Disneyland"
    Installed: 5/95     Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-45 Thumper
   v. FL Thumper "Thumper/Disneyland"
    Installed: 5/95     Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-46 Alice
   v. FL Alice "Alice/Disneyland"
    Installed: 5/95     Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-47 Pinocchio
   v. HS Pinocchio "Pinocchio/Disneyland"
    Installed: 5/95     Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-48 Dumbo
   v. FL Dumbo "Dumbo/Disneyland"
    Installed: 5/95     Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-49 Mickey Disneyland Park
   v. HS Mickey "Disneyland Park"
    Installed: 6/95     Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-50 Mickey Tux Nickel
   v. FL Mickey in tux and top hat "Disneyland"
    Installed: 6/95     Removed: CA
     Notes: Temporarily removed Nov/Dec 1995 and 1996

 DIS-DL-51 Minnie Nickel
   v. FL Minnie holding purse "Disneyland"
    Installed: 6/95     Removed: CA
    Notes: Temporarily removed Nov/Dec 1995 and 1996

 DIS-DL-52 40 Years/Adventure Nickel
   h. 40th anniv logo "Disneyland"
    Installed: 5/95     Removed: 11/95

 DIS-DL-53 Belle
   v. Waist up of Belle sitting "Belle/Disneyland"
    Installed: 9/95     Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-54 Lumiere
   v. FL Lumiere "Lumiere/Disneyland"
    Installed: 9/95     Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-55 Beast
   v. Bust of Beast "Beast/Disneyland"
    Installed: 9/95     Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-56 Winnie the Pooh
   v. FL Pooh "Winnie/Disneyland"
    Installed: 9/95     Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-57 Tigger
   v. FL Tigger bouncing "Tigger/Disneyland"
    Installed: 9/95     Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-58 Eeyore
   v. FL Eeyore sitting "Eeyore/Disneyland"
    Installed: 9/95     Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-59 Seasons Greetings Nickel
   v. FL Santa Mickey "Seasons Greetings"
    Installed: 11/95    Removed: 1/96

 DIS-DL-60 Happy Holidays Nickel
   v. FL Santa Goofy "Happy Holidays"
    Installed: 11/95    Removed: 1/96

 DIS-DL-61 Happy New Year Nickel
   v. Castle "Happy New Year"
    Installed: 11/95    Removed: 1/96

 DIS-DL-62 Woody
   v. FL Woody "Disneyland"
    Installed: 2/96     Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-62a Woody
   v. FL Woody "Disneyland"
    Installed: 2/96     Removed: 6/96
    Notes: Similar to DIS-DL-62, small difference in 'c Disney'

 DIS-DL-63 Buzz Lightyear
   v. FL Buzz "Disneyland"
    Installed: 2/96     Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-63a Buzz Lightyear
   v. FL Buzz "Disneyland"
    Installed: 2/96     Removed: 6/96
    Notes: Similar to DIS-DL-63, small difference in 'c Disney'

 DIS-DL-64 Green Army Man
   v. FL Army Man "Disneyland"
    Installed: 2/96     Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-64a Green Army Man
   v. FL Army Man "Disneyland"
    Installed: 2/96     Removed: 6/96
    Notes: Similar to DIS-DL-64, small difference in 'c Disney'

 DIS-DL-65 Mickey at Bat
   v. FL Mickey swinging baseball bat "Disneyland"
    Installed: 3/96     Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-66 Tennis Goofy
   v. FL Goofy w/ tennis racket "Disneyland"
    Installed: 3/96     Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-67 Soccer Mickey
   v. FL Mickey kicking soccer ball "Disneyland"
    Installed: 3/96     Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-68 Mickey Rays Nickel
   h. HS Mickey w/ rays like sun "Mickey/Mouse/Disneyland"
    Installed: 1/96     Removed: CA
     Notes: Temporarily removed Nov/Dec 1996

 DIS-DL-69 Mickey Quarter
   v. FL Mickey "Disneyland"
    Installed: 5/96     Removed: 8/97

 DIS-DL-70 Castle Quarter
   v. Castle "Disneyland"
    Installed: 5/96     Removed: 8/97

 DIS-DL-71 Critter Country
   h. Brer Fox standing on Brer Turtle, Brer Bear holding sign "Critter
 Country/Disneyland"
    Installed: 5/96     Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-72 Big Al
   v. FL Big Al "Country Bear Jamboree/Disneyland"
    Installed: 5/96     Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-73 Wendel
   v. FL Wendel "Country Bear Jamboree/Disneyland"
    Installed: 5/96     Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-74 Quasimodo Quarter
   v. FL Quasimodo as the King of Fools "Disneyland"
    Installed: 6/96     Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-75 Esmeralda Quarter
   v. Waist up of Esmeralda "Disneyland"
    Installed: 6/96     Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-76 Gargoyles Quarter
   h. Busts of Hugo, Victor and LaVerne "Disneyland"
    Installed: 6/96     Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-77 Maleficent 1996
   v. Profile Maleficent "1996/Maleficent/Disneyland"
    Installed: 10/96    Removed: 10/96

 DIS-DL-78 Ursula 1996
   v. Waist up Ursula "1996/Ursula/Disneyland"
    Installed: 10/96    Removed: 10/96

 DIS-DL-79 Wicked Witch 1996
   v. Profile Wicked Witch w/ apple "1996/Wicked Witch/Disneyland"
    Installed: 10/96    Removed: 10/96

 DIS-DL-80 Cruella 'typo'
   v. Waist up Cruella "101 Dalmations/Disneyland"
    Installed: 10/31/96    Removed: 10/31/96

 DIS-DL-81 Pongo & Perdita 'typo'
   h. Standing Pongo and Perdita "101 Dalmations/Disneyland"
    Installed: 10/31/96    Removed: 10/31/96

 DIS-DL-82 Fireman Puppy 'typo'
   v. Puppy in Fireman's hat w/ bone "101 Dalmations/Disneyland"
    Installed: 10/31/96    Removed: 10/31/96

 DIS-DL-83 Cruella
   v. Waist up Cruella "101 Dalmatians/Disneyland"
    Installed: 11/96    Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-84 Pongo & Perdita
   h. Standing Pongo and Perdita "101 Dalmatians/Disneyland"
    Installed: 11/96    Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-85 Fireman Puppy
   v. Puppy in Fireman's hat w/ bone "101 Dalmatians/Disneyland"
    Installed: 11/96    Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-86 New Year 1997 Nickel
   v. FL Santa Mickey "Happy New Year/1997/Disneyland"
    Installed: 11/96    Removed: 1/97

 DIS-DL-87 Holidays 1996 Nickel
   h. FL Chip and Dale in Santa hats "Happy Holidays/1996/Disneyland"
    Installed: 11/96    Removed: 1/97

 DIS-DL-88 Greetings 1996 Nickel
   v. Castle "Seasons Greetings/1996/Disneyland"
    Installed: 11/96    Removed: 1/97

 DIS-DL-89 Hercules Quarter
   v. FL Hercules "Hercules/Disneyland"
    Installed: ??/97    Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-90 Pegasus Quarter
   h. FL sitting Pegasus "Pegasus/Disneyland"
    Installed: ??/97    Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-91 Megara Quarter
   v. FL Megara "Megara/Disneyland"
    Installed: ??/97    Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-92 Donald at Wheel
   v. FL Donald at ship's wheel "Disneyland"
    Installed: ??/97    Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-93 Cowboy Mickey - Closed
   v. Waist up of Cowboy Mickey w/ Pistol "Frontierland/Disneyland"
    Installed: ??/97    Removed: CA
    Notes: Similar to DIS-DL-4a, but lettering is closed

 DIS-DL-94 Cowboy Donald
   v. FL Cowboy Donald lassoed around neck "Disneyland"
    Installed: ??/97    Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-95 Donald Trombone
   v. FL Donald Playing Trombone "Disneyland"
    Installed: ??/97     Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-96 Jester Goofy
   v. HS Jester Goofy "Disneyland"
    Installed: ??/97    Removed: CA

 DIS-DL-97 Mickey Trumpet
   v. FL Mickey playing trumpet "Disneyland"
    Installed: ??/97    Removed: CA

 DIS-DLH-1 Hotel and Monorail
   h. DLH and Monorail "Disneyland Hotel"
    Installed: ??/??    Removed: ??/??
     Notes: Machine was actually located inside the park

 DIS-DLH-2 Winnie the Pooh
   v. FL Pooh "Disneyland Hotel"
    Installed: 4/96     Removed: CA

 DIS-DLH-3 Tigger
   v. FL Tigger bouncing "Disneyland Hotel"
    Installed: 4/96     Removed: CA

 DIS-DLH-4 Eeyore
   v. FL Eeyore sitting "Disneyland Hotel
    Installed: 4/96     Removed: CA

 DIS-DLH-5 Mickey
   v. HS Mickey "Disneyland Hotel"
    Installed: 4/96     Removed: CA

 DIS-DLH-6 Donald
   v. HS Donald "Disneyland Hotel"
    Installed: 4/96     Removed: CA

 DIS-DLH-7 Goofy
   v. HS Goofy "Disneyland Hotel"
    Installed: 4/96     Removed: CA

 DIS-DLH-8 Disneyland Hotel Quarter
   h. DLH and Monorail "Disneyland Hotel"
    Installed: 5/96     Removed: 8/97
     Notes: Machine was actually located inside park

 DIS-DLH-9 Minnie
   v. HS Minnie "Disneyland Hotel"
    Installed: 6/96     Removed: CA

 DIS-DLH-10 Pluto
   v. HS Pluto "Disneyland Hotel"
    Installed: 6/96     Removed: CA

 DIS-DLH-11 Mickey Tux
   v. FL Mickey in tux and top hat w/ cane "Disneyland Hotel"
    Installed: 6/96     Removed: CA

 DIS-DPH-1 Baseball Mickey
   v. FL Baseball Mickey
    Installed: 4/96     Removed: CA
     Notes: Similar to DIS-DL-65, but no text

 DIS-DPH-2 Roller Skate Minnie
   v. FL Minnie on roller skates
    Installed: 4/96     Removed: CA

 DIS-DPH-3 Skateboard Mickey
   v. FL Mickey w/ skateboard
    Installed: 4/96     Removed: CA

 DIS-TDA-1 Open House '95 Nickel
   v. FL Construction worker Mickey, "Open House '95"
    Installed: 4/3/95    Removed: 4/6/95

 DIS-TDA-2 Ron Dominguez
   v. HS Ron Dominguez "Ron Dominguez/Disneyland"
    Installed: 4/3/95    Removed: 4/6/96

 DIS-TDA-3 Building/Future Nickel
   h. Gloved Mickey hands shaking hands "Building Our Future/The Pieces
 Come Together"
    Installed: 6/7/96    Removed: 6/9/96

 DIS-TDL-1 1997 Tokyo Disneyland
   h. Castle, "1997/Tokyo/Disneyland"
    Installed: ??/??    Removed: ??/??




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From: Slave to Lady Nikki <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) "Move west young man..."
Date: 14 Sep 1997 04:50:55 -0600 (MDT)

On Sun, 14 Sep 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

>      Fisherman's Wharf in San Francisco has about 15 pennies, Marine World
> now has 11 pennies. Speaking of which, I just came back from there heavily
> laden with squooshed pennies. 5 sets of 8 or 9 pennies. Going once...
>       I'd like a meet up here in the Bay Area some time soon.

    Well, I'm here (the SF Bay Area) until November 3rd.  Jeff should
be here in early October.  And I know Nikki will be up here the weekend
before I leave town (Nov. 1st and 2nd).  That's four of us!

    Anyone interested in heading up to the City by the Bay the first
weekend of November for the next meet?  We could either do 'A Day at
Fishermen's Wharf', which would include Pier 39 and a possible side trip
to Chinatown, or we could hit Marine World Africa USA for a day of pennies
and critters.  There's also Paramount's Great America (7 machines) and the
Winchester Mystery House (3 machines) in the South Bay.

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~Creator of Butterflies, Guardian Angel, Slave to Lady Nikki
~~Ex-Vampire Hunter (Got caught by the only one I need)
~~~~List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List
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From: Slave to Lady Nikki <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyland Trip Web Page
Date: 14 Sep 1997 04:52:48 -0600 (MDT)

On Sun, 14 Sep 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

>>  time for a trade session.  I keep entering contests to win a trip back
>>  there, but haven't won yet 8-(  If I do, you know I'll make the trip
>>  when
>>  some of you can as well!

> You then should be entering the Family Fantasy sweepstakes on Disney.com.
> They are giving away a trip to all four parks plus a DCL cruise!

    Believe me, I've tried.  But my antique browser doesn't support
the forms button I have to use to register 8-(

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~Creator of Butterflies, Guardian Angel, Slave to Lady Nikki
~~Ex-Vampire Hunter (Got caught by the only one I need)
~~~~List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List
~~~~~~~~"My name is Aahz and I'm a Tinkaholic"  "Hello Aahz!"




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From: Slave to Lady Nikki <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Display of elongates
Date: 14 Sep 1997 04:57:22 -0600 (MDT)

On Fri, 12 Sep 1997, Jeanne M. Shepard wrote:

> Hi!  I'm new to this list as well as collecting elongates.  This is just

    Welcome Jeanne!

> fascinating to me!  My collection is pretty small, approx. 35 coins, but I
> don't know how to display them.  How does everyone else display them?

    Well, there's a few different routes you can take here:

    1) TEC sells 2x2s that can then be put into plastic binder pages
as Bert has already mentioned.  This is probably the most common method.

    2) Someone on the list mentioned using old type boxes (from
pre-computer print shops) to create a wall display of sorts.

    3) Nikki (who's offline for the next six-weeks or so) told me
tonight that one of the three elongates displays at the LA County Fair had
the coins 'standing' in a wooden display.  If you're fairly handy with
tools this shouldn't be difficult a thing to recreate.

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~Creator of Butterflies, Guardian Angel, Slave to Lady Nikki
~~Ex-Vampire Hunter (Got caught by the only one I need)
~~~~List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List
~~~~~~~~"My name is Aahz and I'm a Tinkaholic"  "Hello Aahz!"




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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyland Trip Web Page
Date: 14 Sep 1997 03:58:14 -0700 (PDT)


On Sat, 13 Sep 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> One thing, who are the people in the restaurant? The photo needs a caption.

    Well, I haven't seen the actual photo, but from memory...

    I'm the guy sittng on the far left of the photo (brown hair and
glasses), the Lady Nikki is sitting next to me, Bert is standing roughly
between us, and E. Smith is on the far right.

> You guys look nothing like I had imagined.

    I'm not sure how to take this, so I'll call it a compliment ;)

        Peace,

            Aahz


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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) "Move west young man..."
Date: 14 Sep 1997 04:13:31 -0700 (PDT)


On Fri, 12 Sep 1997, Jeff Dixon wrote:

> Bert said:
> [snip]
> >Soooo, the 1st Holiday EC Collecting Trip may be born...
> >What does everyone think? DL should have their Holiday coins out
> >and the park will be decorated (and much less
> >crowded)... sounds like a recipe for fun!
>
> Are there special coins that are only available for the holidays???

    In 1995 and 1996 DL had a machine up in November and December
with special 'holiday' themed elongated nickels.  (DIS-DL-59 to 61 and
DIS-DL-86 to 88)
    With the recent disappearnce of the newest quarter machine speculation
at the meet was that this may be a temporary removal to make way for the 1997
holiday issues on quarters this year.  Personally, I think it's a little
early for this as the past two years they haven't pulled the machine for
prep until November.
    They may, however be installing special Halloween issues as they
did last year on pennies (DIS-DL-77 to 79).  I'm sure there will be
something for the Holidays and December is the perfect time to get 'em.

        Peace,

            Aahz


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From: David Shapiro <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyland Trip Web Page
Date: 14 Sep 1997 07:49:31 -0400

I think we should have a meet in NY somewhere on  a weekend.
Dave.


Mary C. and Ben L. wrote:
>
> Bert Creighton wrote:
> >
> > On 9/13/97 6:47 AM Mary C. and Ben L. ([e-mail] ) wrote
> >
> > >Hey...  When's the East Coast Disney World trip???
> > >
> > >Ben
> >
> > Ben,
> >
> > When do you want it to be?  8-)
> >
> > Pick a date, and start working towards it...
> >
> > bc
>
> OK, I'll pick up that gauntlet.
>
> Anyone else out there interested in an East Coast meet?  Hopefully someone out there
> knows a bit more about DisneyWorld than I...  (I know nothing.)
>
> ???????????????????
>
> Ben

--

David Shapiro
[e-mail]
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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyland Trip Web Page
Date: 14 Sep 1997 08:16:56 -0400

David Shapiro wrote:
>
> I think we should have a meet in NY somewhere on  a weekend.
> Dave.
> OK... Sounds good.  Another place I know next to nothing about.

Anybody else?

Ben



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From: Bob Fritsch <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) New York
Date: 14 Sep 1997 08:41:25 -0400

> David Shapiro wrote:
> >
> > I think we should have a meet in NY somewhere on  a weekend.
> > Dave.
> > OK... Sounds good.  Another place I know next to nothing about.

What is the advantage?  What would be our target?  Are there a grunch of
machines there?  And is that NYC or State?  Curious minds want to
know.... ;>

Bob Fritsch
mailto:[e-mail]



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) ANAHEIM ANGLES ELONGATE (on pre 82 penney) (baseball team)
Date: 14 Sep 1997 11:47:51 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-09-13 11:44:39 EDT, you write:

>
>  Is anyone interested in trading for a "Doc" EC.  I have several coins from
>  Mrytle Beach, SC including a "House of Blues"
>
>  Let me know
>

If you want a "Doc" as in Snow White, I have one ready and waiting for the
House of Blues!  If you'd like to trade, just let me know your address.

Happy Collecting,
-Bob Hoff
TEC#2033



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From: David Shapiro <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) New York
Date: 14 Sep 1997 12:18:47 -0400

How about the empire state building, they have machines there.

Bob Fritsch wrote:
>
> > David Shapiro wrote:
> > >
> > > I think we should have a meet in NY somewhere on  a weekend.
> > > Dave.
> > > OK... Sounds good.  Another place I know next to nothing about.
>
> What is the advantage?  What would be our target?  Are there a grunch of
> machines there?  And is that NYC or State?  Curious minds want to
> know.... ;>
>
> Bob Fritsch
> mailto:[e-mail]

--

David Shapiro
[e-mail]
http://www.geocities.com/EnchantedForest/6340



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disney elongates catalog and trades
Date: 14 Sep 1997 14:45:32 -0400 (EDT)

Hi Aahz!

Great Catalog!

You've asked for any info.  I did find this to add:

 >>>DIS-DL-9a Mickey Rays - 3D Ears
   h. HS Mickey w/ rays like sun "Mickey/Mouse/Disneyland"
    Installed: ??/95    Removed: ??/97
     Notes: I believe the process used to make these 3D images was
first used by Eurolink in 1995, so this coin was probably Installed early
that year. <<<<

I rolled one of these on 9/5/95 and 9/25/95 (wrote the date on the back).

OK, now for a serious note about this catalog! ;-)

Because of this new information, I now find my set is a LONG way from being
complete.  I wouldn't have known it and would have lead a peaceful, happy
life confident that as long as I picked up new coins as they were
introduced,........

Well, Chris, now I'm really stressed!! %-(

To help reduce my stress :-), I'm looking to any other collectors that may
have discontinued Disney EC's to trade.  I have an extra or two of the
discontinued DIS-DLH-8, DIS-DL-71 and DIS-DL-69 on silver quarters,
DIS-DL-52, DIS-DL-9a, DIS-DLH-1, DIS-DL-6 and the Mickey's 60th Frank Brazell
cent (Not to mention any currently availables). Would like to trade for (or
purchase) Happy Holidays and New Year's 19XX, AP and the "Dripping Blood"set:
DIS-DL-77, DIS-DL-78, DIS-DL-79.

Happy Collecting,

-Bob and Anastaisa Hoff
TEC#2033 and 2121J

P.S. Chris, I can now discribe a Disneyland ec by number!  Neat!







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From: Slave to Lady Nikki <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) New York
Date: 14 Sep 1997 14:17:31 -0600 (MDT)

On Sun, 14 Sep 1997, Bob Fritsch wrote:

> > David Shapiro wrote:
> > >
> > > I think we should have a meet in NY somewhere on  a weekend.
>
> What is the advantage?  What would be our target?  Are there a grunch of
> machines there?  And is that NYC or State?  Curious minds want to
> know.... ;>

    Well, the advantage is that people can get there.  Shouldn't be to
tough a trip for either the Boston people or the DC area people.  From
what I recall it's pretty much the same distance from each with good
'commuter' transport available from each.

    Good targets could be either the Empire State Building (has a few
machines and trading on the observation deck could be pretty neat) with a
possible side trip to the World Trade Center for the machines there or
Bedsloe Island/Statue of Liberty. I'm assuming there are machines on the
island, but there are certainly nice places for a trade session.

    Of course, those are both in NYC.  There used to be a place called
Adventureland or some such in Jersey, and I'm sure there are other
amusement parks in the area that could make good spots.

    Peace,

        Aahz

~~~Creator of Butterflies, Guardian Angel, Slave to Lady Nikki
~~Ex-Vampire Hunter (Got caught by the only one I need)
~~~~List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List
~~~~~~~~"My name is Aahz and I'm a Tinkaholic"  "Hello Aahz!"




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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disney elongates catalog and trades
Date: 14 Sep 1997 13:37:20 -0700 (PDT)


On Sun, 14 Sep 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> You've asked for any info.  I did find this to add:

    <adding to DL file>  Thanx!

> Because of this new information, I now find my set is a LONG way from being
> complete.  I wouldn't have known it and would have lead a peaceful, happy
> life confident that as long as I picked up new coins as they were
> introduced,........

Muwhahahahaha!

> Well, Chris, now I'm really stressed!! %-(

    Then it's all been worthwhile <eg>

> To help reduce my stress :-), I'm looking to any other collectors that may
> have discontinued Disney EC's to trade.  I have an extra or two of the

    Well, I got an extra DIS-DL-12 1995 Annual Passholder from the
Wootens at the meet that I'd be willing to kick down in return for
DIS-DL-52 40 Years/Adventure Nickel.

> Mickey's 60th Frank Brazell cent

    Just to clarify if anyone's confused....

    The coin above is NOT DIS-DL-10 Mickey Sixty Years.  The Frank
Brazzell issue was neither official or issued at DL.  It's still a
wonderful (and in demand) issue, but does not fit into the portion of the
catalog that has thus far been published.  It will be receiving a catlog
number when I start work on the non-offical list.

        Peace,

            Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Netiquette question
Date: 14 Sep 1997 13:40:14 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings and Salutations!

    Would it be considered rude to post my Disney catalog to a.d.d.
or any other Disney related newsgroups?  I know there are many people
there that collect these issues, but the length of the post makes me
hesitant.  Input from anyone with more newgroup experience then I would
be much appreciated.

        Peace,

            Aahz


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++  [e-mail]
Ex-Vampire Hunter-             +  TEC # 2062
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Non-Violent Activist           +  Elongated Coin Mail List
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disney elongates catalog and trades
Date: 14 Sep 1997 17:14:19 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-09-14 16:40:21 EDT, you write:

>     Well, I got an extra DIS-DL-12 1995 Annual Passholder from the
>  Wootens at the meet that I'd be willing to kick down in return for
>  DIS-DL-52 40 Years/Adventure Nickel.
>
>

Done.  Thanks for helping reduce the stress! :-)

-Bob Hoff



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Netiquette question
Date: 14 Sep 1997 17:16:48 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-09-14 16:43:22 EDT, you write:

> Greetings and Salutations!
>
>      Would it be considered rude to post my Disney catalog to a.d.d.
>  or any other Disney related newsgroups?  I know there are many people
>  there that collect these issues, but the length of the post makes me
>  hesitant.  Input from anyone with more newgroup experience then I would
>  be much appreciated.
>
>          Peace,
>
>              Aahz
>

Maybe just give'um a taste and point them to a place they could get the whole
list?

-Bob Hoff
TEC#2033



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Shipping Cent Rolls
Date: 14 Sep 1997 14:19:27 -0700 (PDT)


On Sat, 13 Sep 1997, Paul Richards wrote:

> How about making postage topic of discussion?  What are fair postage and
> handling charges in the mail-order coin business?

    This has always been a touchy subject for me, but since no one
else has taken up the gauntlet, I suppoe I will...

> Stat-Matics policy is a
> flat $3.50 per order, but this seems unfair for small orders (e.g., one or
> two coins under $50) and over-fair for large orders (e.g., four slabbed
> coins insured up to $500).

    For a company that does the majority of its business thru the
mail (as I get the impression Statmatics does) this seems a fair policy
to me.  It rewards the large customer while not putting too much on the
small one.  I accept this from mail order companies as working out
individual postage on orders is far too time consuming.

> More specifically, what should P&H charges be
> for pre-82 Lincoln rolls?  For one roll?  For 10?  For 50?

    Well, if my brain serves correctly you can mail up to four rolls
of pennies Priority Mail for $3.  Weigh a roll and give a call to the
post office, they'll be able to provide you a postage chart by weight and
class.

> I see in the back of Numismatic News that Arlan Kramer in Pennsylvania
> charges $1.50 for a 1979-D roll, plus $4 P&H, plus 25c per roll west of the
> Rockies.  This is probably about right, but maybe a little creative
> thinking can bring the price down.

    He must be shipping UPS.  I nelieve the Post Office would be
cheaper for smaller orders.

> So what do you think?

    For me, what it boils down to is this: when a person (as opposed
to a company) sells something to another person through the mail, postage
should be either actual cost or worked into the asking price.  So called
handling charges are a scam wether you're talking about a person or a
company.  I mean, 'handling' is already worked into the price.  Nobody
offers to pay for the customers handling of writing and mailing off the
check, not to mention finding and reading the ad in the first place.
It's a cost of doing business and should be assumed by the seller.

    I hope that's all clear and doesn't sound too snotty, but as a
long time mail order person, these hidden charges can be REALLY annoying.

        Peace,

            Aahz


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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Netiquette question
Date: 14 Sep 1997 14:21:15 -0700 (PDT)


On Sun, 14 Sep 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> In a message dated 97-09-14 16:43:22 EDT, you write:

> >      Would it be considered rude to post my Disney catalog to a.d.d.
>
> Maybe just give'um a taste and point them to a place they could get the whole
> list?

    That's what I figured.  Now I just need a 'place' to point them
to <hint, hint webmasters> 8-)

        Peace,

            Aahz


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From: John & Nancy Wooten <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disney elongates catalog and trades
Date: 14 Sep 1997 20:27:24 -0700

Chris Aahz wrote:
>
> On Sun, 14 Sep 1997 [e-mail] wrote:
>
>         Well, I got an extra DIS-DL-12 1995 Annual Passholder from the
> Wootens at the meet that I'd be willing to kick down in return for
> DIS-DL-52 40 Years/Adventure Nickel.
>

Hey, Chris!  I want my DIS-DL-12 back!!!  John is getting mad because
I'm crying and getting tears all over the keyboard over this trade.
(Big sigh)  Guess I'll have to keep looking for someone who has a
DIS-DL-52 for something I have.  Everything Bob wants I traded away last
Sunday.

Congratulations!!!

Nancy



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From: Slave to Lady Nikki <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disney elongates catalog and trades
Date: 15 Sep 1997 00:12:26 -0600 (MDT)

On Sun, 14 Sep 1997, John & Nancy Wooten wrote:

> Chris Aahz wrote:

> >         Well, I got an extra DIS-DL-12 1995 Annual Passholder from the
> > Wootens at the meet that I'd be willing to kick down in return for
> > DIS-DL-52 40 Years/Adventure Nickel.
>
> Hey, Chris!  I want my DIS-DL-12 back!!!  John is getting mad because

    No problem.  I'd gladly trade it back to ya for a DIS-DL-11 <eg>

> I'm crying and getting tears all over the keyboard over this trade.
> (Big sigh)  Guess I'll have to keep looking for someone who has a
> DIS-DL-52 for something I have.

    I assumed you had DL-52.  I'll keep an eye out for ya, now that I
know.

> Everything Bob wants I traded away last Sunday.

    I know, I got most of it ;)

            Peace,

                Aahz

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~~Ex-Vampire Hunter (Got caught by the only one I need)
~~~~List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List
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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Group Meeting in San Francisco... :)
Date: 15 Sep 1997 08:47:05 -0400

>    Well, I'm here (the SF Bay Area) until November 3rd.  Jeff should
>be here in early October.  And I know Nikki will be up here the weekend
>before I leave town (Nov. 1st and 2nd).  That's four of us!
>
>    Anyone interested in heading up to the City by the Bay the first
>weekend of November for the next meet?
[snip]

Yes, I will be completely stocked up in the trading department from our
coast to coast trek.
So, anybody looking for cool, fresh, exciting, elongated pennies...they
should come up.

I'll be leaving the list at the end of the week.  However, as soon as I get
hooked up on October 6th,
I'll reattach. *grin*

- Jeff

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Software Engineer/Memory Czar
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence      http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154



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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Utah Penny - new penny
Date: 15 Sep 1997 09:05:28 -0400


I just found out about a Utah penny.


Delicate arch - picture of delicate arch Horizontal with words "Delicate arch"

- Jeff




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Software Engineer/Memory Czar
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence      http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154



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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Disneyland Halloween issues
Date: 15 Sep 1997 09:35:42 -0400


Oooh.  I'd really like whatever comes out!  If someone is near the park
during this time, can they pick me the set?

Thanks,

- Jeff

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Jeff Dixon                [e-mail]
Software Engineer/Memory Czar
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence      http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disney elongates catalog and trades
Date: 15 Sep 1997 10:29:16 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-09-15 05:28:26 EDT, you write:

> > Everything Bob wants I traded away last Sunday.
>
>      I know, I got most of it ;)
>

Hey!  Now I'm crying too! ;..-)

The only fair thing to do is cut the nickel in two and send half to each of
you!  Half to Chris because *he* got all the coins I needed form the Wootens
(!) and the other half to the Wootens because they traded him all the coins
*I* needed!!!!!

Moral:  Don't miss the meetings, Bob!

Seriously, if I find another in my travels, I'll be sure to grab it for you,
Nancy.

-Bob Hoff
TEC#2033





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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyland Halloween issues
Date: 15 Sep 1997 10:30:00 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-09-15 09:56:15 EDT, you write:

>
>  Oooh.  I'd really like whatever comes out!  If someone is near the park
>  during this time, can they pick me the set?
>
>  Thanks,
>
>  - Jeff
>

Jeff;

I'd be happy to.

-Bob Hoff
TEC#2033



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyland Halloween issues
Date: 15 Sep 1997 10:56:02 -0400 (EDT)

I saw your e-mail to Jeff and was wondering - if you would want to pick me up
any of the holiday coins?   I don't know if I have anything that you are
interested in to trade but if not I would be happy to pay you for them?    I
am in the midwest so if there is anything in the Milwaukee area you would
like I would be happy to get them for you when I can.  Please let me know.
  Thanks!

Davelle



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyland Halloween issues
Date: 15 Sep 1997 11:02:14 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-09-15 10:57:39 EDT, you write:

> I saw your e-mail to Jeff and was wondering - if you would want to pick me
up
>  any of the holiday coins?   I don't know if I have anything that you are
>  interested in to trade but if not I would be happy to pay you for them?
   I
>  am in the midwest so if there is anything in the Milwaukee area you would
>  like I would be happy to get them for you when I can.  Please let me know.
>    Thanks!
>
>  Davelle
>

Sure, not a problem.  We can work out a trade later when I have them.

-Bob Hoff




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From: "Tomita, David" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (elongates) Netiquette question
Date: 15 Sep 1997 08:48:43 -0700

    Aahz wrote:
    >        That's what I figured.  Now I just need a 'place' to
point >them
    >to <hint, hint webmasters> 8-)

    Well, if I may, I could add your numbering system to my
Disneyland coin webpages.

    David Tomita
>
>
>



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From: "Tomita, David" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (elongates) Catalog for DIS-DL, -DLH, -DPH, -TDA, and -TDL
Date: 15 Sep 1997 08:36:14 -0700

    Chris A. wrote:
    >        This catalog would never exist if it weren't for the
help of >all
    >of you!  Specifically I'd like to thank David Tomita for his
two .plus
    >years of tracking these coins and Nancy Wooten for her
>assistance both in
    >refining the information and proofreading.

Had I known about you collectors, I would have kept better notes on when
the machines came and went.  I once toyed with the idea of numbering
them but at the time didn't realize that serious collectors like you
existed and could really use a numbering system.  Little did I know.
:-)

Is someone going to work on a WDW one?  ;-)

I have most Disney coins from both ends of the coast but I sometimes get
them confused.  For instance, there are several Toy Story pennies.  Some
are from Disneyland (DL), and MGM-WDW, Magic Kingdom.  There are three
that just have Toy Story along the top (Woody, Buzz, Rex) written like
the movie design.  Were these DL issues?  Was it part of the Toy Story
funhouse at DL?  Was it part of the Toy Story funhouse at the El Capitan
theater in Hollywood when the movie played there?  I'm not sure.  Anyone
know?

David Tomita

>



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From: "Tomita, David" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (elongates) Netiquette question
Date: 15 Sep 1997 08:36:03 -0700

    >>       Would it be considered rude to post my Disney catalog
to a.d.d.
    >>  or any other Disney related newsgroups?  I know there are
    >>                       Aahz

    >Maybe just give'um a taste and point them to a place they
>could get the whole
    >list?
    >
    >-Bob Hoff

That is what I would suggest having posted my DL list to the newsgroups
long ago.  Plus back then I would break up the post so some readers
wouldn't choke on the length.  A friend helped move it off the newsgroup
traffic to his website until I could build my own.

David Tomita




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From: John & Nancy Wooten <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Display of elongates
Date: 15 Sep 1997 09:11:56 -0700

Slave to Lady Nikki wrote:
>
>         3) Nikki (who's offline for the next six-weeks or so) told me
> tonight that one of the three elongates displays at the LA County Fair had
> the coins 'standing' in a wooden display.  If you're fairly handy with
> tools this shouldn't be difficult a thing to recreate.
>

Chris,

Are there ECs available at the fair or just displays showing them?????

Nancy



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From: "Tomita, David" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (elongates) Display of elongates
Date: 15 Sep 1997 09:34:12 -0700


    >Chris,
    >
    >Are there ECs available at the fair or just displays showing
>them?????
    >
    >Nancy

If I may throw in my two cents :-)))

I asked a veteran woman at the info booth and she said there were no
machines at the fair now but they did have some years and years ago that
would press generic messages (some religious ones I think).  From what I
know, they had an L.A. County Fair coin years back.

There is usually at least one coin collector/exhibitor but I didn't find
the booth and so I couldn't see if they had any for sale.  I didn't
notice any machines in my wanderings around the fairgrounds (just in
case the info woman was mistaken).

If you are into trading enamel/cloissone pins, there are quite a few
selling them there.

David Tomita







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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Netiquette question
Date: 15 Sep 1997 15:21:20 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 9/15/97 7:55:50 PM Russian Daylight Time, you write:

>Would it be considered rude to post my Disney catalog
 to a.d.d. or any other Disney related newsgroups?   >>

No problem, just be sure to mention in it your opinion of Light Magic and a
minute-by minute report of your last trip to DL including line lengths.
It will fit right in.

MM



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From: "zinful" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Utah Penny - new penny
Date: 15 Sep 1997 19:17:10 -0000



----------
> From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
>
> I just found out about a Utah penny.
> Delicate arch - picture of delicate arch Horizontal with words "Delicate
arch"
>
 Any details?  where?  My sister lives in Salt Lake City.
Gina





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From: "zinful" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Display of elongates
Date: 15 Sep 1997 19:27:33 -0000



----------
> From: Jeanne M. Shepard <[e-mail]> writes:
>
> Hi!  I'm new to this list as well as collecting elongates.  This is just
> fascinating to me!  My collection is pretty small, approx. 35 coins, but
I
> don't know how to display them.  How does everyone else display them?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jeanne

Hi Jeanne
Welcome to the list.  I know many collectors keep their elongates in
binders in the 2 x 2's as I'm sure you have heard - I will eventually.
Right now mine are in thick glass jars (very cool, I think)  on top of my
TV in my living room.  One with my collection of maybe 200 coins or so and
one with my trade stock.
Gina
>



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From: [e-mail] (Jeanne M. Shepard)
Subject: (elongates) Display info thanks
Date: 15 Sep 1997 23:09:45 -0500

Thanks for the responses about displaying elongates!  You people are cool!
Kinda like a bunch of neighbors.

I have another question.  Anyone know of any machines in the Phoenix area?
I've found one at the "Hall Of Flame" Firefighter's Museum, but I'll have a
little time on my hands during an upcoming trip.  Not enough to get to the
Grand Canyon area, just the Phoenix area.

Again, Thanks!


Jeanne




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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (elongates) Catalog for DIS-DL, -DLH, -DPH, -TDA, and -TDL
Date: 15 Sep 1997 22:44:02 -0700 (PDT)


On Mon, 15 Sep 1997, Tomita, David wrote:

> Had I known about you collectors, I would have kept better notes on when
> the machines came and went.

    That's okay, I'm pretty confident on the dates I have listed.
The first list I found from you was April 1995, and you did the two most
important things I could ask for: Dated each update and highlighted what
was new.  The ones without install dates were placed before 4/95 and the
ones without removal dates vanished between 11/96 and 6/97.  I should be
able to tracjk these down fairly well.

> I once toyed with the idea of numbering
> them but at the time didn't realize that serious collectors like you
> existed and could really use a numbering system.  Little did I know.
> :-)

    Well, my numbering system is designed to be used with ALL
elongates, and since your system would likely have been Disney-dedicated,
I would have likely still needed to renumber them.  I'm actually glad you
didn't do it previously, because it's easier to get people to use a new
system then it is to get them to change over from an old one.

> Is someone going to work on a WDW one?  ;-)

    That's the next MAJOR section I have planned.  I won't be able to
get the order as accurate, though as the records don't seem to exist.
Kenny Cottrell never (or seldom) posted his list to the ngs and Web Sites
don't archive, unfortunately.  When I the current WDW sets the list
ordered come in and I get settled in Pasadena I'll put the call out for
WDW coins and start working on that catalog.

> I have most Disney coins from both ends of the coast but I sometimes get
> them confused.  For instance, there are several Toy Story pennies.  Some
> are from Disneyland (DL), and MGM-WDW, Magic Kingdom.  There are three
> that just have Toy Story along the top (Woody, Buzz, Rex) written like
> the movie design.  Were these DL issues?  Was it part of the Toy Story
> funhouse at DL?

    Well, they aren't DL issues as those say "Disneyland" on them.
The difference between those issued in the Starcade and those issued in
the Funhouse at DL is VERY minor, though you may well have both variants.

> Was it part of the Toy Story funhouse at the El Capitan
> theater in Hollywood when the movie played there?  I'm not sure.  Anyone
> know?

    This is the first I've heard of this place.  Perhaps someone can
contact the El Capitan and see if they know anything about this.

            Peace,

                Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (elongates) Netiquette question
Date: 15 Sep 1997 22:44:54 -0700 (PDT)


On Mon, 15 Sep 1997, Tomita, David wrote:

>     Well, if I may, I could add your numbering system to my
> Disneyland coin webpages.

    I would be honored, David.

        Peace,

            Aahz


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Netiquette question
Date: 16 Sep 1997 01:50:46 -0400 (EDT)

>>No problem, just be sure to mention in it your opinion of Light Magic and a
>>minute-by minute report of your last trip to DL including line lengths.
>>It will fit right in.

>>MM


You mean you don't enjoy reading those blow by blow descriptions of what
snacks someone took in their fanny packs to hold those food hucksters and Big
Al turning the popcorn thing at bay?   8^)


Carl



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (elongates) Display of elongates
Date: 15 Sep 1997 22:51:28 -0700 (PDT)


On Mon, 15 Sep 1997, Tomita, David wrote:

>
>     >Are there ECs available at the fair or just displays showing
> >them?????
>     >
>     >Nancy
>
> I asked a veteran woman at the info booth and she said there were no
> machines at the fair now but they did have some years and years ago that
> would press generic messages (some religious ones I think).  From what I
> know, they had an L.A. County Fair coin years back.

    "Yesterday's Elongateds" lists five LA County Fair issues: two in
1932 and one each for '33, '36, '38, and '40.  These are only the issues
that SAY LA County Fair and were issued prior to 1965.  Several people
have mentioned that someone has rolled 'generics' at prior fairs.

> There is usually at least one coin collector/exhibitor but I didn't find
> the booth and so I couldn't see if they had any for sale.  I didn't
> notice any machines in my wanderings around the fairgrounds (just in
> case the info woman was mistaken).

    Nikki also searched unsuccesfully for both machines and people
selling elongates, so it looks like 'they' (whoever 'they' are) skipped
this year's fair.

        Peace,

            Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Display info thanks
Date: 15 Sep 1997 23:05:25 -0700 (PDT)


On Mon, 15 Sep 1997, Jeanne M. Shepard wrote:

> You people are cool! Kinda like a bunch of neighbors.

<peeking over fence> Why, thank you ;)

> I have another question.  Anyone know of any machines in the Phoenix area?

    The Phoenix Zoo has some, though I'm not sure how many.  My
collection also contains two coins from Quartzsite (I have no idea where
this is or if these are even machine rolls) and one from Picacho Pass
(this one's a Eurolink, so I know it's a machine, though I don't know
where Picacho Pass is).

> I've found one at the "Hall Of Flame" Firefighter's Museum, but I'll have a
> little time on my hands during an upcoming trip.  Not enough to get to the

    Two general tips/requests:

    1) ALWAYS roll extras when you find a machine!  The primary
purpose of this list is to facilitate trading and you can't trade without
trade stock ;)  Personally I collect ANY souvenir coin I can get my paws
on, so you can always be pretty sure I'll take one of each off your
hands.  I used to roll three extras at every machine I found, now that
the list is moving I try to roll four or five (finances permitting).

    2) If you can, write down the machine/location info.  Bert's our
official Location Keeper, so you can either post the info to the list or
pass it directly to him for his web site.

    The key info (in order of importance):

    Machine location (as detailed as possible)
    Design(s) available (ditto)
    Machine manufacturer
    Anything unusual/unique about the machine
    When the machine was first installed

    3) If the machine is Out of Order ask the nearest cashier if they
have any spares by the register.  They usually do.

        Peace,

            Aahz

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re:  Re: (elongates) Display info thanks
Date: 16 Sep 1997 02:30:33 -0400 (EDT)

Carl in Phx here, the phoenix zoo is really the only place I know of here,
Aahz is on top of some of the other places here in AZ..but picacho peak is
halfway between here and Tucson and Quartzsite is just on this side of the
Cal border, probably the coolest place in the state for ecs is Flandrau in
Tucson, I went to school there and they have the absolute coolest laser show
set to music in their planetarium, I know that has absolutely nothing to do
with what we are talking about buy hey, it's late, I'm rambling.......





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From: Slave to Lady Nikki <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Group Meeting in San Francisco... :)
Date: 16 Sep 1997 00:51:55 -0600 (MDT)


    Okay, apparently, Majordomo not only catches the words s-ubscribe
and a-d-d me, but also c-a-n-c-e-l.  So, I'm forwarding Mickey's message
back to the list ;)

~~~Creator of Butterflies, Guardian Angel, Slave to Lady Nikki
~~Ex-Vampire Hunter (Got caught by the only one I need)
~~~~List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List
~~~~~~~~"My name is Aahz and I'm a Tinkaholic"  "Hello Aahz!"

---------- Forwarded message ----------
>From [e-mail] Mon Sep 15 13:19:54 1997
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

At this point, I'm OK for Nov. 1&2. I'd like an evening meeting as I run a
Youth program most Saturday mornings and I hate to c*ncel.

As the date gets closer, I may be able to go for a day.

Mickey
TEC-2115

In a message dated 9/15/97 4:50:22 PM Russian Daylight Time, you write:

<< >    Well, I'm here (the SF Bay Area) until November 3rd.  Jeff should
 >be here in early October.  And I know Nikki will be up here the weekend
 >before I leave town (Nov. 1st and 2nd).  That's four of us!
 >
 >    Anyone interested in heading up to the City by the Bay the first
 >weekend of November for the next meet?
 [snip]

 Yes, I will be completely stocked up in the trading department from our
 coast to coast trek.
 So, anybody looking for cool, fresh, exciting, elongated pennies...they
 should come up.

 I'll be leaving the list at the end of the week.  However, as soon as I get
 hooked up on October 6th,
 I'll reattach. *grin*

 - Jeff
  >>






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From: Slave to Lady Nikki <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:  Re: (elongates) Display info thanks
Date: 16 Sep 1997 00:55:42 -0600 (MDT)

On Tue, 16 Sep 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> Cal border, probably the coolest place in the state for ecs is Flandrau in
> Tucson,

    Is Flandrau a suburb of sorts or...

> I went to school there and they have the absolute coolest laser show
> set to music in their planetarium, I know that has absolutely nothing to do
> with what we are talking about buy hey, it's late, I'm rambling.......

    Oh yeah, like there's any enforcment of topic on this list ;)  As
list-owner (and thus head cop here {sorry Ben}) I'm one of the 'worst'
off-topic posters.  I figure as long as no one complains (and they haven't
so far), it all just adds to the friendly feel.

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~Creator of Butterflies, Guardian Angel, Slave to Lady Nikki
~~Ex-Vampire Hunter (Got caught by the only one I need)
~~~~List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List
~~~~~~~~"My name is Aahz and I'm a Tinkaholic"  "Hello Aahz!"




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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) DIS-DL-12 Title Change
Date: 16 Sep 1997 00:01:35 -0700 (PDT)


    Okay, it's been less then 48 hours and I'm changing the darn
catalog already.  It's not a big change though!

    I realized that DIS-DL-12 1995 Annual Passholder was the only
non-penny not be identified as such in its title.  So, the new (and
improved ;) listing reads:

DIS-DL-12 1995 AP Nickel

    Hope I didn't cause TOO many problems!

            Aahz


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++  [e-mail]
Ex-Vampire Hunter-             +  TEC # 2062
(Caught the only one I need)   +  SECA Co-Founder
Creator of Butterflies         +  CM # 182
Slave to Lady Nikki    ^^*^^   +  List-Owner:
Non-Violent Activist           +  Elongated Coin Mail List
List page: http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Tucson pennies
Date: 16 Sep 1997 03:11:55 -0400 (EDT)

>>Is Flandrau a suburb of sorts or...

naw, it's all dowtown around U of A (go cats)

>>Oh yeah, like there's any enforcment of topic on this list ;)

wow, that's a relief. My superpower has always been that of tangents 8^)



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Display info thanks
Date: 16 Sep 1997 00:16:41 -0000

On 9/16/97 4:08 AM Jeanne M. Shepard [e-mail] wrote

>Thanks for the responses about displaying elongates!  You people are cool!
>Kinda like a bunch of neighbors.
>
>I have another question.  Anyone know of any machines in the Phoenix area?
>I've found one at the "Hall Of Flame" Firefighter's Museum, but I'll have a
>little time on my hands during an upcoming trip.  Not enough to get to the
>Grand Canyon area, just the Phoenix area.
>
>Again, Thanks!
>
>
>Jeanne

Hi Again, Or Should I say Aloha...

Yuppers, I'm smashin' copper in Paradise! I will not be able to keep up
with emails this week, or answer any email sent to my main account
([e-mail])... Real quick, though I wanted to let you know
the Phoenix Zoo has some coins.

You can see the Smashed Coin Locator at

http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/SmashedCoins.html

Hit the Phoenix URL and see the AZ page... Then check out Willy Massey's
web site for his locations...

Gotta sign off, those Hawaiian machines are waiting for my quarters!

bc
Location Keeper



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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Upcoming coin shows in northern California?
Date: 16 Sep 1997 09:08:18 -0400


Hey y'all,

Are there any coin shows coming up in northern California?  Perhaps a group
of us could caravan down in October???

- Jeff

 -----------------------------------------------------------------
Jeff Dixon                [e-mail]
Software Engineer/Memory Czar
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence      http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Upcoming coin shows in northern California?
Date: 16 Sep 1997 11:26:00 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-09-16 09:12:02 EDT, you write:

> Hey y'all,
>
>  Are there any coin shows coming up in northern California?  Perhaps a
group
>  of us could caravan down in October???
>
>  - Jeff
>

HI Jeff!

Yes!

Sept. 18-20, San Francisco.  NYINC 3rd Annual.  Ancient annd Foreign Coin
Show.
about 30 tables. 760-728-1300.  Don't know about any EC's at this show.

Oct 4-5 Sacramento Coin and Gun Show.  Also about 30 tables. 602-643-5303.

Oct 25 and 26 Carmichael Coin-A-Rama about 80 tables.  916-885-9050.

Nov. 2 Santa Cruz, about 25 tables. 408-475-9198.

Nov. 21-23 Santa Clara Coin, Stamp & Card Expo. about 300 tables!
 916-528-8929.

I have more info for most of these.  Just let me know which ones you are
interested in.  I just took the info from the Sept 16 Numismatic News.

-Bob Hoff
TEC#2033



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) DIS-DL-12 Title Change
Date: 16 Sep 1997 11:26:06 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-09-16 03:04:33 EDT, you write:

>
>      Okay, it's been less then 48 hours and I'm changing the darn
>  catalog already.  It's not a big change though!
>
>      I realized that DIS-DL-12 1995 Annual Passholder was the only
>  non-penny not be identified as such in its title.  So, the new (and
>  improved ;) listing reads:
>
>  DIS-DL-12 1995 AP Nickel
>
>      Hope I didn't cause TOO many problems!
>
>              Aahz

Yeee Gadds!  First I find out there are 100 suitcase atom bombs "somewhere"
and now this!! :-)

-Bob Hoff
TEC#2033





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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) DIS-DL-12 Title Change
Date: 16 Sep 1997 11:29:22 -0400

Chris wrote:
>>  DIS-DL-12 1995 AP Nickel

Bob wrote:
>Yeee Gadds!  First I find out there are 100 suitcase atom bombs "somewhere"
>and now this!! :-)

Whoa.  Something tells me that the atom bombs thingy is a bit more serious.
I'm not really sure why...it's just a hunch.  *grin*

- Jeff

 -----------------------------------------------------------------
Jeff Dixon                [e-mail]
Software Engineer/Memory Czar
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence      http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154



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From: "Tomita, David" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (elongates) DIS-DL-12 Title Change
Date: 16 Sep 1997 08:48:52 -0700

> Chris wrote:
    >>>  DIS-DL-12 1995 AP Nickel

> Bob wrote:
    >>Yeee Gadds!  First I find out there are 100 suitcase atom
bombs "somewhere"
    >>and now this!! :-)

    >Whoa.  Something tells me that the atom bombs thingy is a bit
>more serious.
    >I'm not really sure why...it's just a hunch.  *grin*
    >- Jeff

OF COURSE the suitcase bombs are more serious!!!  Just think of how many
untold EC machines and collections might be annihilated!
The horror!  The horror!
*big grin*

David Tomita








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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (elongates) DIS-DL-12 Title Change
Date: 16 Sep 1997 11:51:16 -0400

I said:
>Whoa.  Something tells me that the atom bombs thingy is a bit more serious.
>I'm not really sure why...it's just a hunch.  *grin*

David said:
>OF COURSE the suitcase bombs are more serious!!!  Just think of how many
>untold EC machines and collections might be annihilated!
>The horror!  The horror!
>*big grin*

I now a sure fire way to get around it.  Just send your entire EC
collection to me.
I'll make sure to guard against any suitcases with atom bombs leaving or
entering my house.

*wink*

- Jeff

 -----------------------------------------------------------------
Jeff Dixon                [e-mail]
Software Engineer/Memory Czar
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence      http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Upcoming coin shows in northern California?
Date: 16 Sep 1997 08:53:11 -0700 (PDT)


On Tue, 16 Sep 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> Nov. 2 Santa Cruz, about 25 tables. 408-475-9198.

    This is the fun kind of show, usually more social then the
biggies.  Wonderful chance to talk up elongates.

> Nov. 21-23 Santa Clara Coin, Stamp & Card Expo. about 300 tables!
>  916-528-8929.

    I just realized I'll be missing this show!  Ack!  If you can,
you've gotta attend this show.  Their spring show was my first and was
what got me hooked on shows.  When you go, look for a dealer that has his
table covered in plastic pages tied together with string (no binders).
He just lays the packets of 2x2s all over the table.  He's the largest
exonumia dealer at the show and has a bunch of elongates!!  He's also
REALLY nice (though I don't remember his name) and he keeps the oldies
behind the table, so ask if you're interested.

            Peace,


                Aahz

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++  [e-mail]
Ex-Vampire Hunter-             +  TEC # 2062
(Caught the only one I need)   +  SECA Co-Founder
Creator of Butterflies         +  CM # 182
Slave to Lady Nikki    ^^*^^   +  List-Owner:
Non-Violent Activist           +  Elongated Coin Mail List
List page: http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm




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From: "Tomita, David" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (elongates) DIS-DL-12 Title Change
Date: 16 Sep 1997 09:07:36 -0700


Jeff said:
    >>Whoa.  Something tells me that the atom bombs thingy is a bit
more serious.
    >>I'm not really sure why...it's just a hunch.  *grin*

> David said:
    >>OF COURSE the suitcase bombs are more serious!!!  Just think
of how many
    >>untold EC machines and collections might be annihilated!
    >>The horror!  The horror!
    >>*big grin*

    >I now a sure fire way to get around it.  Just send your entire
EC
    >collection to me.
    >I'll make sure to guard against any suitcases with atom bombs
>leaving or
    >entering my house.
    >*wink*
    >- Jeff

We'll send them in...a suitcase.
;-)

David


> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> Jeff Dixon                      [e-mail]
> Software Engineer/Memory Czar
> Kurzweil Applied Intelligence   http://www.kurzweil.com
> 411 Waverley Oaks Road
> Waltham, MA 02154
>
>



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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (elongates) DIS-DL-12 Title Change
Date: 16 Sep 1997 12:11:07 -0400

Point 1 - David.

>We'll send them in...a suitcase.
>;-)
>
>David


 -----------------------------------------------------------------
Jeff Dixon                [e-mail]
Software Engineer/Memory Czar
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence      http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) DIS-DL-12 Title Change
Date: 16 Sep 1997 12:30:15 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-09-16 12:02:52 EDT, you write:

> Whoa.  Something tells me that the atom bombs thingy is a bit more serious.
>  I'm not really sure why...it's just a hunch.  *grin*
>
>  - Jeff
>

Well, in a way, yes, I guess.  BUT those old ec's are much harder to find!
:-)

-Bob Hoff



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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Old Disney issues
Date: 16 Sep 1997 13:06:01 -0400


Do they destroy the cast after the season ends?  Or, is the roller still
around?  If so, perhaps the person who owns the roll
could press more coins?

- Jeff

 -----------------------------------------------------------------
Jeff Dixon                [e-mail]
Software Engineer/Memory Czar
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence      http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154



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From: "Tomita, David" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (elongates) Old Disney issues
Date: 16 Sep 1997 10:50:02 -0700


    >Do they destroy the cast after the season ends?  Or, is the
>roller still
    >around?  If so, perhaps the person who owns the roll
    >could press more coins?
    >
    >- Jeff

I know of at least one where they gave the roller/die away to a Disney
VIP (don't know who).  I will try to find out the fate of the rollers
once the season is over.  I have a feeling they get stored backstage.

David Tomita




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From: Ken Slavens <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Norman Peters List 114
Date: 16 Sep 1997 11:15:13 -0700 (PDT)

At 04:00 PM 8/28/97 -0700, you wrote:
>
Chris, I am trying to get a copy of "Yesterday's Elongateds" but cannot find
a phone number for Angros Enterprises.  Bob Hoff gave me 1-860-345-5684, but
I cannot make this number work.  Your (or anybody's) help would be
appreciated.  Also, I would like information on how to get on Norman Peters
mailing list.. Thanks..

TEC #2116


>On Thu, 28 Aug 1997 [e-mail] wrote:
>
>> Where did you find the prices?  Sorry, I don't have any books, but, would
>> love a suggestion of a good one.
>

>    You can probably still pick up a copy of Yesterday's Elongateds
>from Angros Enterprises
>     70 Grove St.
>     New Milford, CT 06776
>
>    Tell him you saw his ad in the last issue of TEC News.  He was
>asking $26.50 + $3.50 shipping.  An excellent price for this book!  "One
>to a customer and only for those who do not have a copy."
>
>        Peace,
>
>            Aahz
>
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++  [e-mail]
>Ex-Vampire Hunter-             +  TEC # 2062
>(Caught the only one I need)   +  SECA Co-Founder
>Creator of Butterflies         +  CM # 182
>Slave to Lady Nikki    ^^*^^   +  List-Owner:
>Non-Violent Activist           +  Elongated Coin Mail List
>List page: http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
>
>
>
Ken Slavens
[e-mail]




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From: James Henry <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyland Halloween issues
Date: 16 Sep 1997 13:21:39 -0500

If there are any new issues at Disneyland, I would like them as well.
Please think of us out here in the frozen tundra.  Thanks.

Flats



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From: James Henry <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) California meeting
Date: 16 Sep 1997 13:29:40 -0500

Keep me in mind.  I want coins!!!!

Flats



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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) California meeting
Date: 16 Sep 1997 16:00:31 -0400

Yeah yeah yeah.  :)

- Jeff
At 01:29 PM 9/16/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Keep me in mind.  I want coins!!!!
>
>Flats
>
>
 -----------------------------------------------------------------
Jeff Dixon                [e-mail]
Software Engineer/Memory Czar
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence      http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Utah Penny - new penny
Date: 16 Sep 1997 16:05:42 -0400 (EDT)

Here are some  others from Utah  that I have found:

>Two from the Aero Space Museum - one with a A-10 plane on it and one with a
                    B-29 plane on it.
>One with a skier (??) on it that says "Ski Utah"
>One from the Browning-Kimball Museum with a 1912 Olds on it.


Hopes this helps!



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Utah Penny - new penny
Date: 16 Sep 1997 16:07:46 -0400 (EDT)

Here are some  others from Utah  that I have found:

>Two from the Aero Space Museum - one with a A-10 plane on it and one with a
                    B-29 plane on it.
>One with a skier (??) on it that says "Ski Utah"
>One from the Browning-Kimball Museum with a 1912 Olds on it.


Hopes this helps!



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Norman Peters List 114
Date: 16 Sep 1997 16:17:04 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-09-16 14:16:10 EDT, you write:

> At 04:00 PM 8/28/97 -0700, you wrote:
>  >
>  Chris, I am trying to get a copy of "Yesterday's Elongateds" but cannot
find
>  a phone number for Angros Enterprises.  Bob Hoff gave me 1-860-345-5684,
but
>  I cannot make this number work.  Your (or anybody's) help would be
>  appreciated.  Also, I would like information on how to get on Norman
Peters
>  mailing list.. Thanks..
>
>  TEC #2116
>
>

Sorry, I remember that I copied it from his letterhead.  I may have made a
typo, but, can't find the letter now and I lost my e-mail archive a while
back.  There maybe others here that can help.  If not, e-mail me and I'll
look further.

-Bob Hoff
TEC#2033




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) California meeting
Date: 16 Sep 1997 16:17:58 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-09-16 15:12:46 EDT, you write:

> Keep me in mind.  I want coins!!!!
>
>  Flats
>

Why is it everyone wants money from me? :-)

-Bob Hoff



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyland Halloween issues
Date: 16 Sep 1997 16:18:48 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-09-16 15:13:08 EDT, you write:

> If there are any new issues at Disneyland, I would like them as well.
>  Please think of us out here in the frozen tundra.  Thanks.
>
>  Flats
>

Hi Flats!

I plan to roll a few extras for trades to list members.  Please contact me
once we have word that the machines are on stage.

Happy Collecting
Bob Hoff



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Display info thanks
Date: 16 Sep 1997 16:54:30 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 9/16/97 8:12:31 AM Russian Daylight Time, you write:

<< Thanks for the responses about displaying elongates!  You people are cool!
 Kinda like a bunch of neighbors.

 I have another question.  Anyone know of any machines in the Phoenix area?
 I've found one at the "Hall Of Flame" Firefighter's Museum, but I'll have a
 little time on my hands during an upcoming trip.  Not enough to get to the
 Grand Canyon area, just the Phoenix area.
  Again, Thanks!
  Jeanne
  >>
Hi-didele-ho Neighbor!
If you can, while you're at the Fire fighters' museum, press out a few
extras, I could go for two. My 5 year old has wanted to be a firefighter
since he could talk.
I'm sure that I can come up with some coins for a trade.

Mickey
TEC 2115




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) DIS-DL-12 Title Change
Date: 16 Sep 1997 17:04:22 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 9/16/97 7:48:57 PM Russian Daylight Time, you write:

<< OF COURSE the suitcase bombs are more serious!!!  Just think of how many
 untold EC machines and collections might be annihilated!
 The horror!  The horror!
 *big grin*

 David Tomita
  >>
Maybe they are in Canada, "Land of the round penny" where there are no EC
machines.



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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Display info thanks
Date: 16 Sep 1997 17:52:19 -0400

> Hi Again, Or Should I say Aloha...
>
> Yuppers, I'm smashin' copper in Paradise!

Stop it.  Your torturing us.

Ben



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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Utah/Phoenix elongates + Trades
Date: 16 Sep 1997 18:14:34 -0400

Hi there.

I made a big mess out of my e-mails and I don't know who sent which post.

Regarding the Hall of Flame penny....  If possible, I'd like to get three of them.  (One
for my collection, two for Firefighter friends.)

Regarding Utah...  I'd LOVE to get an A-10 elongate.  (My favorite plane. [Although the
new fighter masy win out...])

Regarding trades: I've acquired some EC's to trade.  Areas of interest are cars, planes,
presidents, 4 Lord's Prayer's, (All the same) SF Bay Bridge/Fisherman's Wharf etc. and
some oddball and specialized EC's.  Anyone interested just shoot me and e-mail. (Or just
shoot me.  It's turning into a tough week.)

C-Ya

Ben



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyland Halloween issues
Date: 16 Sep 1997 20:55:57 -0400 (EDT)

    Hi--

Please count me on-board also if there are some Halloween issues--- I can pay
 the fifty one cent cost  of the Halloween elongates  plus return to whoever
obtains
the coins( pre- 82 pennies)   I hope those Halloween elongates are out there
!!!!!
  Thank you      E.   Smith





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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Norman Peters List 114
Date: 16 Sep 1997 21:57:41 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-09-16 16:19:09 EDT, you write:

> > At 04:00 PM 8/28/97 -0700, you wrote:
>  >  >
>  >  Chris, I am trying to get a copy of "Yesterday's Elongateds" but cannot
>  find
>  >  a phone number for Angros Enterprises.  Bob Hoff gave me
1-860-345-5684,
>  but
>  >  I cannot make this number work.  Your (or anybody's) help would be
>  >  appreciated.  Also, I would like information on how to get on Norman
>  Peters
>  >  mailing list.. Thanks..
>  >
>  >  TEC #2116
>  >

Hmmmm......

All the numbers I give our have a full guarantee! Try this one 1 860 354
5684.  Let us all keep in mind that people don't make typos, typewritters do!
:-)

If your looking for the YE book, I'm sorry to say he's out of stock, WAY out
of stock. At least it will save you a second call. :-(

Anyone have another source for the YE book?

-Bob Hoff
TEC#2033



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From: Slave to Lady Nikki <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Old Disney issues
Date: 16 Sep 1997 20:45:46 -0600 (MDT)

On Tue, 16 Sep 1997, Jeff Dixon wrote:

> Do they destroy the cast after the season ends?  Or, is the roller still
> around?  If so, perhaps the person who owns the roll
> could press more coins?

    Most likely no one would go to the trouble of actually cancelling
these dies (obliterating the image so no more coins can be issued).  My
money would say the old dies are either in a Disney wherehouse or a
Eurolink wherehouse.  Either way, there aren't going to be any more rolled
unless Disney okays it, which means we'd most likely hear about it.  It
is, possible, of course, but unlikely for the dated coins.  The old
non-dated coins COULD show up again, but the only ones I can think of that
have been removed and weren't dated were all in single issue machines,
while Disney only adds triples now.  The exception obviously being the
recently removed quarter machine, but as I've said before I think these
designs will be back in January after the Halloween and Christmas/New Year
coins.

    Do any of you Disnophiles have a contact name at DL for who's in
charge of the machines?  They'd be the person to ask.

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~Creator of Butterflies, Guardian Angel, Slave to Lady Nikki
~~Ex-Vampire Hunter (Got caught by the only one I need)
~~~~List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List
~~~~~~~~"My name is Aahz and I'm a Tinkaholic"  "Hello Aahz!"




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From: Slave to Lady Nikki <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Norman Peters List 114
Date: 16 Sep 1997 20:49:14 -0600 (MDT)

On Tue, 16 Sep 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

<request for Angros info snipped>
> Hmmmm......
>
> All the numbers I give our have a full guarantee! Try this one 1 860 354
> 5684.  Let us all keep in mind that people don't make typos, typewritters do!
> :-)

    I don't make phone calls often, so generally only have addresses.
Let us know if this new one works.

> Anyone have another source for the YE book?

    Working on it....will notify as soon as I find some.

            Peace,

                Aahz

~~~Creator of Butterflies, Guardian Angel, Slave to Lady Nikki
~~Ex-Vampire Hunter (Got caught by the only one I need)
~~~~List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List
~~~~~~~~"My name is Aahz and I'm a Tinkaholic"  "Hello Aahz!"




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From: Slave to Lady Nikki <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Norman Peters List 114
Date: 16 Sep 1997 20:52:16 -0600 (MDT)

On Tue, 16 Sep 1997, Ken Slavens wrote:

> appreciated.  Also, I would like information on how to get on Norman Peters
> mailing list.. Thanks..

    You can call or write him and just ask for a sample.  If you place
an order you'll get the next two or three free.  He also offers a
subscription.

Norman G. Peters
P.O. Box 29
Lancaster, NY 14086

[phone]
Phone noon-10pm / NO CALLS Sundays

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~Creator of Butterflies, Guardian Angel, Slave to Lady Nikki
~~Ex-Vampire Hunter (Got caught by the only one I need)
~~~~List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List
~~~~~~~~"My name is Aahz and I'm a Tinkaholic"  "Hello Aahz!"




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From: "zinful" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Re: Trades Anyone?
Date: 16 Sep 1997 21:00:54 -0000



> Gina's Trade List
> [e-mail]
> All trades welcome, inquire within, let me know soon (some I only have 1
> of)
>
> CA
> "Windjammer/Knott's/Surf Rider"--surfer,sun,surf board, wave.
> "Knotts Berry Farm"-lettering only.
> "Knotts Merry Farm"-lettering only
> "Knotts Berry Farm/Jaguar"-lettering in shape of Jaguar.
> "Knotts Berry Farm/Bigfoot Rapids"-People riding the rapids.
> This was my penny/Ripley's/Believe it or Not!/Buena Park, CA -lettering
> only
>
> "Queen Mary/Long Beach, CA"-Queen Mary-front side view of the ship.
>
> "Disneyland Hotel"-Mickey with top hat and cane.
> "Disneyland Hotel"-Pluto's face
> "Disneyland Hotel"-Mickey's face
> "Disneyland Hotel"-Goofy's face
> "Disneyland Hotel"-Minnie Mouse's face
> "Disneyland Hotel"-Donald Duck's face
>
> "Dark Horse Comics/Universal City Walk, Ca"-City Walk,Los Angeles-chess
>     piece.    (this is a dime and has a web address on back)
> "Gladstones/Universal City/Fresh is good/Live is better/Ca"-Universal
>     City,LA (restaurant)-life preserver
> "Universal City Walk, CA /Things from another World"-stars, planet,
>     lettering.
>
> "California/Movieland Wax Museum"-Buena Park-movie 'take board' and star.
>
> "Cabazon, CA/Dinosaurs"-T-Rex
> "Rex"-Cabazon, CA- T-Rex (this is an elongated dime)
>
> "Pacific Park/Santa Monica Pier"-Octopus
> "Santa Monica Pier/California"-the pier
> "Pacific Park/Santa Monica Pier"-pier design.
>
> "Santa Ana Zoo/Howler Monkey/Santa Ana,CA"-Howler Monkey
>
> "Giant Dipper/San Diego/Belmont Park"-Roller coaster
>
> Utah:
> "Mormon Meteor III"-car
> "Tabernacle Organ/Salt Lake City, Utah"-Organ
> "Temple Square/Salt Lake City,Utah"-Temple Square
> "Bee Hive State/Utah"-Bee Hive
> "This is the Place Monument/Salt Lake City, Utah"-Building/monument
> "Allosaurus/Utah,Hogle Zoo"-Salt Lake City
> "Triceratops/Utah/Hogle Zoo"-Salt Lake City
> Angel Moroni/Temple Square"-Salt Lake City-top of building
>
> Misc.
> "Good Luck"-4 leaf clover
>
>
>



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Trading theory (1 of 2)
Date: 17 Sep 1997 00:30:36 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings and Salutations!

    The most common comment I hear in private e-mail is: "I don't
really know what this is worth or how trading works...".  Similar things
have been said on the list, and at least two different people at the meet
asked about trading value and how things are handled.

    As usual, I THINK I have the answer ;)  What we need is a
standard currency for trade.  We (the electronic EC community) have grown
just like any 'real world' community and have reached the point where a
standard currency is in order.  Before the US instituted its current
monetary system no one ever really knew what something was worth.
Shopkeepers had to set prices on a case by case basis depending on what
type of currency the customer was using.  Carrying this over to trading
elongates, we each kind of set our trades at whatever 'feels right' at
the moment.  The number of people asking 'what's this worth' indicates,
to me, that we need to refine the system.  We need a standardized measure
of value for elongated coins.
    Personally, I'd rather it not be based on US currency.  I don't
want to see people saying: "I have $8 worth of elongateds and I'll trade
them for your $8 worth of elongateds.  This just makes things to motive
oriented for my tastes.
    Anyone who's looked over the trade lists I published has noticed
that I use a UNIT system for pricing my elongates.  I have arbitrarily set
a UNIT to equal 'one currently available elongated penny'.  Typically, issue
price is 50c for an elongated penny.  Pennies are also the most common
elongated coin and an elongate that I can get from a machine myself is
the most basic item I can think of in the hobby.  This is why I use a
currently available elongated penny as my basic UNIT.
    When I purchase coins bulk, I typically get them for less than
50c each.  However, their 'retail' price would still be 50c, I'm just
buying wholesale at that point.  So these coins are still priced at 1 UNIT.
    When I buy a lot of coins at auction I often pay much more than
50c each in order to get one or two coins I really want.  I end up with a
bunch of trade stock that I paid a buck or more each for, although
they're still currently available elongates.  So, I still price them at
one UNIT.
    Standard issue price for elongated nickels and dimes run 75c to $1 (80c
in the machines).  Quarters are issued at $1 to $1.25.  So, standard
value for all of these (assuming they're currently available) is 2
UNITs.  Therfore, if I want to trade for one of the currently available
Disneyland nickels, I can expect to trade two currently available
elongated pennies for it.  Simple.
    As usual, this is longer then I expected.  The point of all this
is that I would like to see the UNIT become the common currency of our
community.  It will slowly expand ot the resat of the EC community if it
works as well for all of us as it has for me thus far.    So, I am
'officially' proposing that all trade lists in the future use the UNIT
system to indicate what value peolpe think their coins have.
    Part 2 of 'Trading theory' will attempt to deal with limited
editions and older issues.

    As always: Questions, comments, criticisms are welcome and
encouraged publicly or privately.

        Peace,

            Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Trading theory (2 of 2)
Date: 17 Sep 1997 00:55:21 -0700 (PDT)


    Okay, part one laid out the basic UNIT system and suggested UNIT
values for currently available elongates on different types of coins.
But what about no longer available (NLA) elongates?  Well, this becomes a
sticky situation, because now we're talking about a 'collectible'.  All
collectibles have the same value: "What the buyer is willing to pay and
the seller is willing to take".
    Of course, when you're trying to avoid being ripped off (from
either end of the transaction) this little truism doesn't really set ones
mind at ease.  Although I haven't read it, Angelo Rosato's "Encyclopedia
of the Modern Elongated" proposes a system of valuation for elongated
coins based solely on time since the die was closed.  Frankly, I think
this is only one small part of the equation.  Everyone's heard the phrase
'supply and demand' and it is more true in collectibles then elsewhere.
There could only be three known samples of a given elongate, but if only
two people wanted it, the coins would all be essentially worthless.  On
the flip side, if thousands of samples were rolled, but hundreds of
thousands of people want one, that coin will be worth a pretty penny
(sorry, couldn't help myself ;)
    So, how do we value NLA elongates? I don't know.  But I do think
it's up to the seller to come up with a value.  Personally, I set value
on coins I have for trade simply on what they cost me.  When I go to a
coin show I often pick up World's Fair issues if I think they're
reasonably priced and I have the cash on hand.  I don't collect, WF
issues, but I know I can always trade them.  I set the value on these
issues at my purchase price.  So, if I buy a WF at a show for $5, I put
it on my trade list for 10 UNITs.
    Okay, but what about an elongate you purchased at a machine that
has since been removed?  I would say that if the machine has been removed
within the last year, adding one UNIT to the value would be fair (pennies
become 2 UNITs, others become 3 UNITs).  If the machine has been gone for
more then a year, then the person who currently possessing the coin needs
to set a value.  This decision can be made in several ways: look around
for what others are offering similar issues for, arbitrarily set a value,
offer to trade only for other NLA issues, or simply let people know what
you've got and get some other opinions.
    There's still one type to be dealt with: limited edition
elongates.  Typically, a limited edition elongate is going to have a
higher purchase price, so its original UNIT value will be set based on
that price.  Beyond that, you've got to gauge supply and demand.  For
example, Willy Massey issued some limited edition coins for Annapolis'
300th Anniversary.  He issued three varieties with variety one being
limited to 300 coins, variety 2 at 500 coins and variety 3 at 1000
coins.  Issue prices were $1.75, $1.50 and $1.00 respectively.  Last I
checked he had sold out of variety 1, but still had variety 2 and 3
available.  The anniversary being commemorated was two years ago.  So,
varieties 2 and 3 would still be valued at 3 UNITs and 2 UNITs
respectively, while variety 1 (originally 4 UNITs) would be valued at
either 4 or 5 UNITs.
    I hope this helps clear some things up.  I look forward to
hearing input from the rest of you and seeing the UNIT system used more
widely.

    As always: Questions, comments criticisms always welcome!

        Peace,

            Aahz

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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) New Boston penny!
Date: 17 Sep 1997 08:50:59 -0400


Woo hoo!  A second penny now exists at the New England Aquarium.  Here's
the information:

Horizontal - ocean scene with a huge whale's tail with water coming off of
it  "Whale watch, New England Aquarium"

Unfortunately, I received only three zinc versions.  I'll try to pick some
for trading stock before we do the move.


- Jeff



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Jeff Dixon                [e-mail]
Software Engineer/Memory Czar
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence      http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Utah/Phoenix elongates + Trades
Date: 17 Sep 1997 11:21:40 -0400 (EDT)

I have an extra A-l0 that you could have.  (I like Disney elongates and
 unusual elongates.   You could always have this one and if you see anything
in the  future you could always finish the trade then.  If you have something
now - just let me know and I will tell you if I have it already or not.)

 I will be happy to mail this out to you if you want.  Just let me know your
address.

Enjoy!
Davelle



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Trading theory (1 of 2)
Date: 17 Sep 1997 14:40:16 -0400 (EDT)

Funny that you bring this up.
When I worked at American President Lines, we used a unit called a TEU to
determine how much cargo a ship or a train could carry. A TEU is the
Twenty-foot Equivalent Unit. one twenty foot container is a TEU, a forty foot
is two TEU.
     I set up a trade With Bob Hoff recently where I used the PEU or Penny
Equivalent Unit to keep the trade even. Each quarter traded was two TEUs and
a penny of course was one. We traded a total of 12 PEUs, I sent 12 pennies,
he sent 3 quarters (6 PEU) and 6 pennies.
     I guess that nickles could be 1.5 PEUs, rounded whatever way you want.
Of course one PEU would be the value of a currently available coin. Anything
rare or not available like the 1996 Disneyland Halloween Villians would be
worth whatever you could get for them, given a willing buyer and a willing
seller.

Just my two PEUs
Mickey M
TEC 2115

In a message dated 9/16/97 11:53:10 PM Samoa Standard Time, you write:

<<     Anyone who's looked over the trade lists I published has noticed
 that I use a UNIT system for pricing my elongates.  I have arbitrarily set
 a UNIT to equal 'one currently available elongated penny'.  Typically, issue

 price is 50c for an elongated penny.  Pennies are also the most common
 elongated coin and an elongate that I can get from a machine myself is
 the most basic item I can think of in the hobby.  This is why I use a
 currently available elongated penny as my basic UNIT.   >>




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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) DIS-DL-12 Title Change
Date: 17 Sep 1997 13:34:23 -0000

On 9/16/97 3:28 PM Jeff Dixon [e-mail] wrote

>Chris wrote:
>>>  DIS-DL-12 1995 AP Nickel
>
>Bob wrote:
>>Yeee Gadds!  First I find out there are 100 suitcase atom bombs "somewhere"
>>and now this!! :-)
>
>Whoa.  Something tells me that the atom bombs thingy is a bit more serious.
>I'm not really sure why...it's just a hunch.  *grin*
>
>- Jeff

No, the suitcases are no problem. They smash atoms, which is what we
smash (zinc and copper atoms).  8-)

bc



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re:  Re: (elongates) Trading theory (1 of 2)
Date: 17 Sep 1997 17:07:52 -0400 (EDT)


In a message dated 9/17/97 11:42:27 AM, you wrote:

<<Anything
rare or not available like the 1996 Disneyland Halloween Villians would be
worth whatever you could get for them, given a willing buyer and a willing
seller.
>>

um....... 1996 Dland Halloween Villians? egad! Does anyone have pics of
these?

I don't remember seeing them in the Aahz catalog describing them.......

Thanks,

Carl



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Trading theory (1 of 2)
Date: 17 Sep 1997 18:41:04 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-09-17 18:13:01 EDT, you write:

> um....... 1996 Dland Halloween Villians? egad! Does anyone have pics of
>  these?
>
>

Yes, there are pictures on David's website.  Alas, pictures are all I have of
these and I was in the park when the machine was on stage! %-(

-Bob Hoff
TEC#2033



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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) New Boston penny!
Date: 17 Sep 1997 19:55:47 -0400

Jeff Dixon wrote:
>
> Woo hoo!  A second penny now exists at the New England Aquarium.  Here's
> the information:
>
> Horizontal - ocean scene with a huge whale's tail with water coming off of
> it  "Whale watch, New England Aquarium"
>
> Unfortunately, I received only three zinc versions.  I'll try to pick some
> for trading stock before we do the move.
>
> - Jeff
>
>  -----------------------------------------------------------------
> Jeff Dixon                      [e-mail]
> Software Engineer/Memory Czar
> Kurzweil Applied Intelligence   http://www.kurzweil.com
> 411 Waverley Oaks Road
> Waltham, MA 02154

Shucks!  Now I have to go to the Aquarium again!

Ben



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Trading theory (1 of 2)
Date: 17 Sep 1997 20:30:35 -0400 (EDT)

Malificent, Ursula and Wicked Witch over text Disneyland with 1996 above in
dripping blood. Maybe not Haloween per se.

In a message dated 9/17/97 11:13:01 AM Samoa Standard Time, you write:

<< um....... 1996 Dland Halloween Villians? egad! Does anyone have pics of
 these?

 I don't remember seeing them in the Aahz catalog describing them.......

 Thanks,

 Carl
  >>




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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Trading theory (1 of 2)
Date: 17 Sep 1997 19:47:55 -0700 (PDT)


On Wed, 17 Sep 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> Malificent, Ursula and Wicked Witch over text Disneyland with 1996 above in
> dripping blood. Maybe not Haloween per se.
>
> In a message dated 9/17/97 11:13:01 AM Samoa Standard Time, you write:
>
> << um....... 1996 Dland Halloween Villians? egad! Does anyone have pics of
>  these?
>
>  I don't remember seeing them in the Aahz catalog describing them.......

    All three coins are in the catalog: DIS-DL-79, -80, and -81.
They don't say Halloween in the catalog, or on the coins, but they were
only available during Oct. 1996 and the text is in a halloweenish,
dripping blood style.  Thus, they're halloween coins.  Oddly enough, they
were removed the day BEFORE Halloween and replaced with the 101
Dalmations coins, which were replaced with the 101 Dalmatians coins on
November 1st.

    Hope that clears things up!

        Peace,

            Aahz


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Viejas Casino (San Diego) coin info
Date: 18 Sep 1997 01:19:29 -0400 (EDT)

Greetings fellow squishers
     I have some information on another penny machine. Bert has it on the  <A
HREF="http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/SmashedCoins.ht
ml#top">Smashed Coin Locator, but has no details on it.

The machine is in Alpine CA. at Viejas Casino.
Horizontal, dotted border, graphics of a Blackjack on the left, Royal FLush
on the right, LUCKY PENNY across the top, VIEJAS in large stylized type in
the middle, CASINO AND TURF CLUB in tiny text. ALPINE, CA across the bottom.
I got two from a friend, but I can't tell you exactly where the machine is
located.

Mickey
TEC 2115



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From: [e-mail]
Subject:  Re: (elongates) Trading theory (1 of 2)
Date: 18 Sep 1997 01:19:59 -0400 (EDT)


In a message dated 9/17/97 5:32:44 PM, you wrote:

<<<< um....... 1996 Dland Halloween Villians? egad! Does anyone have pics of
 these?

 I don't remember seeing them in the Aahz catalog describing them.......

>>
Sorry about that, DIS-DL-77-79, my bad......

but, as I was putting all of my Dland coins in order of Chris' list, I
noticed two things:
1) I have a DIS-DL-27 without a "cDisney" on it, I thought it was significant
since the distinction is listed on some other entries and

2) I also have a penny very similar to DIS-DL-71 except that it has Brer Fox
and Brer Bear holding the sign but no turtle..what gives?

I looked on the WDWIG penny listings and couldn't find an obvious answer
here, thought that I would turn it over to the resident experts.........

thanks,

Carl




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Park location of "Seasonal" EC's?
Date: 18 Sep 1997 13:16:56 -0400 (EDT)


Hi;

I'm going to the park Friday (God willing and the rivers don't rise).  I'm
going to start checking for the "seasonal" coins.  Do you know if there is a
regular placement of the machine?  I was in the park when the DIS-DL-79-81
set was on stage, but, for some reason missed it.  Don't want that to happen
again!

Thanks and Happy Collecting,

-Bob Hoff
TEC#2033



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From: John & Nancy Wooten <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Park location of "Seasonal" EC's?
Date: 18 Sep 1997 12:56:37 -0700

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> Hi;
>
> I'm going to the park Friday (God willing and the rivers don't rise).  I'm
> going to start checking for the "seasonal" coins.  Do you know if there is a
> regular placement of the machine?  I was in the park when the DIS-DL-79-81
> set was on stage, but, for some reason missed it.  Don't want that to happen
> again!
>
> Thanks and Happy Collecting,
>
> -Bob Hoff
> TEC#2033

Last year they were in the Penny Arcade, but you never know!  Be sure to
let us know what you find.

Nancy



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Park location of "Seasonal" EC's?
Date: 18 Sep 1997 16:53:49 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-09-18 16:05:20 EDT, you write:

> Last year they were in the Penny Arcade, but you never know!  Be sure to
>  let us know what you find.
>
>  Nancy
>

Thanks for the tip and "will do"!

-Bob Hoff

P.S. Can't wait to find out what type of "seasoning" they'll have this year!
:-)



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From: rfritsch <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) YE [was Norman Peters List 114]
Date: 18 Sep 1997 19:57:27 -0400

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> Anyone have another source for the YE book?

Well, I just happened to pick up a hardbound copy of YE at ANANY, signed
by Lee Martin to Ruby Threlkeld.  So that makes my plain vanilla
softbound YE (generic LM signature) redundant.  I think it's worth at
least $35, but what do I know?  Tell me how your children and goats are
starving, make an offer, and maybe we can come to an agreement. ;>

Bob Fritsch
mailto:[e-mail]



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) YE [was Norman Peters List 114]
Date: 18 Sep 1997 20:21:22 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-09-18 19:51:52 EDT, you write:

> Well, I just happened to pick up a hardbound copy of YE at ANANY, signed
>  by Lee Martin to Ruby Threlkeld.  So that makes my plain vanilla
>  softbound YE (generic LM signature) redundant.  I think it's worth at
>  least $35, but what do I know?  Tell me how your children and goats are
>  starving, make an offer, and maybe we can come to an agreement. ;>
>
>  Bob Fritsch
>  mailto:[e-mail]
>

I'm straving and my children ate my goats! :-)

I'd gladly pay you $35.00 and send you the postage, if you'd part with it.

-Bob Hoff
P.S. Man, do I drive a hard bargain or what!?! :-)



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From: rfritsch <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) YE [was Norman Peters List 114]
Date: 18 Sep 1997 21:23:23 -0400

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> I'm straving and my children ate my goats! :-)
>
> I'd gladly pay you $35.00 and send you the postage, if you'd part with it.
>
> -Bob Hoff
> P.S. Man, do I drive a hard bargain or what!?! :-)

You most certainly do!  However, the writer known as TEC#2116 has first
dibs, since that was the original query.  The bid stands at $35 and I am
waiting for #2116 (but not too long)....

Bob Fritsch
mailto:[e-mail]



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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Copy of Yesterday's Elongates...
Date: 19 Sep 1997 08:49:52 -0400

I'm also seeking a copy.  If anyone has an extra copy, I'll pay $45.00.

- Jeff

Bob Fritsch said:
>> Well, I just happened to pick up a hardbound copy of YE at ANANY, signed
>>  by Lee Martin to Ruby Threlkeld.  So that makes my plain vanilla
>>  softbound YE (generic LM signature) redundant.
[snip]


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Jeff Dixon                [e-mail]
Software Engineer/Memory Czar
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence      http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Copy of Yesterday's Elongates...
Date: 19 Sep 1997 13:23:34 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-09-19 12:54:13 EDT, you write:

>
>  I'm also seeking a copy.  If anyone has an extra copy, I'll pay $45.00.
>
>  - Jeff
>
>  Bob Fritsch said:
>  >>

YIKES!  The competition is heating up! :-)

I think Chris started this thread back in August?  When I asked for a book
recommendation.  Back in those days, Angros was selling them for twenty-some
dollars (A price Mr. Rosato said would not be seen again anytime soon and did
mention that someone was selling them in the $40. range).  It was great for
Chris to post the news, and, the 12 books sold quickly!  I contracted to buy
one but got a "dear almost a customer" letter back a few days ago.

I don't know what is going to happen here on the list.  What I will do is run
an ad in a coin trade journal or two and see how many books I can find (if
any) and then just forward the sellers names and addresses on to this list
(Given I have secured one by then :-).  It would help if anyone else has a
contact to post the name or offer the book for sale.  Looks like we have
three or more people in the market for a YE book wish I had bought a case of
'um!

-Bob Hoff
TEC#2033



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From: Matthew Birchard <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Copy of Yesterday's Elongates...
Date: 19 Sep 1997 11:41:38 -0700 (PDT)

    Not sure if I missed this being mentioned yet or discussed.  But
I got my copy of Yesterday's Elongates from Rosato.  He was advertising
them in TEC News not long ago.  His address has been mentioned here
before, so I won't repeat it.  I'd say try him first.  He may be out by
now though.

Matt Birchard
TEC #1848
Portland, Oregon
USA

e-mail:  [e-mail]



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Copy of Yesterday's Elongates...
Date: 19 Sep 1997 15:47:39 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-09-19 14:43:53 EDT, you write:

>     Not sure if I missed this being mentioned yet or discussed.  But
>  I got my copy of Yesterday's Elongates from Rosato.  He was advertising
>  them in TEC News not long ago.  His address has been mentioned here
>  before, so I won't repeat it.  I'd say try him first.  He may be out by
>  now though.
>

HI Matt!

Good post, but, Rosato is sold out for now.  As I recall, he wrote me to say
he had made an arragement with another party to purchase some more, but, it
fell through (as did my purchase).  Also, that he advertised the books at
$26.00 (I think) because he didn't think he ever get "out from under them".
 He was sold out as of a few days ago.

I have seen these books for sale in the past but passed them by! :-(  But,
then I've done the same with some elongateds I'd love to have now.  With so
many of us looking for these books, one of us is bound find some.

-Bob Hoff
TEC#2033



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Boston Computer Museum
Date: 19 Sep 1997 18:29:20 -0400 (EDT)


The machine at the Computer Museum in Boston is working again, mostly.  There
are four designs, but the mechanism that drops the penny seems to like the
robot design best since half the time you have the arrows lined up to the
museum logo, you get the robot instead.  So, I have half a dozen sets plus a
lot of extra robots.  Anyone wanting to trade, let me know.

For the location keeper and anyone else interested in details, the machine is
just inside the door (before you have to pay admission), 4 designs,
hand-cranked, with "Penny Pinchers" as the trademark on the sign:

1. v, robot, "Boston/The Computer Museum"
2. h, logo, "The Computer Museum/www.tcm.org/Boston, MA"
3. v, 3-D hand, "The Virtual Worlds Gallery/Virtual Reality"
4. h, stick figures on a chip, "The Computer Museum/www.tcm.org/Boston"



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Disney Seasonals
Date: 20 Sep 1997 14:04:02 -0400 (EDT)


Hi!

A quick report:

I went to Disneyland yesterday to pick up some trades for list members (You
know who you are!).  First, I stopped at City Hall to see if there were any
"known" new machines on stage.  WOW! A "Mardi Gras" penny press at the Pieces
of Eight!! Even the kids on their way to Indiana Jones made way for me to
pass!  Alas, the machine was the Wooten's previously reported new placement
of the "instruments set"!  Dah!  Well, needed one of those anyway. :-(

A good look around the park found no new coins, but, I did check out the
claim by Chris Aahz that there was some sort of show at the Country Bear
Playhouse. (You know the place where they keep one of the penny presses.)  He
was right!  I think there is some sort of show there. :-)

Summary, no New Years or Holiday or Halloween coins to be found.  I will
report again in a week or two.

-Bob Hoff
TEC # 2033

P.S. Tomorrow Land is coming along.  It's going to be real nice!





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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) 2 new San Francisco coins.
Date: 20 Sep 1997 14:44:57 -0400 (EDT)

Yesterday, I found two new coins near Fisherman's Wharf. The first is
interesting in that it is a near perfect copy of an existing coin nearby. The
difference is only in the border, it has fewer dots. The SF penny machine co.
must be using some sort of mechanical system for creating their dies in that
a human could not have cut the second die this precisely. And also, why would
they want to anyway?
The new coin is identical to the coin at The Combination Shop, 105 Jefferson
St. as shown on Bert's page. The coin is of the skyline with the Transamerica
Pyramid featured, the GG Bridge and a Cable Car. The way that I can tell the
difference, short of counting the dots (once is enough for me thank you) is
that the Jefferson St. penny has the cable car track touching the center of a
dot, the new coin has the track going between two dots. The coin is located
on Taylor St. a block down from the Cable Car turntable or up two blocks from
Jefferson (Fisherman's Wharf).
The second machine located a couple of doors from the aforementioned machine
features a rear quarter, elevation view of a cable car, dot border,
horizontal, Text SAN FRANCISCO above, CABLE CAR below. Not the one with the
street lamp.

I have copies of the "twin" coin as sell as a couple of sets of the other 9
SF coins. Just ask.
Mickey



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From: catherine yronwode <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) new list member
Date: 20 Sep 1997 21:15:45 -0800

Hello,

I am a new member of this list. I have already sent the following
message by private e-mail to a few people whose web pages i checked out,
but i am repeating it here for those who will not have seen it.

I just traded some stuff i had for an old machine that makes elongated
coins. I need to know more about it and how to bring it up to mint
condition. It has been in a garage in Santa Rosa, California, for a
long, long time and although it still does roll coins, it is very rough
and rusty, and it may be missing some crucial ornamental parts.

Here is what it looks like:

The machinery consists of big cast iron gears (like an old hand-crank
drill press) atop a nickel plated iron pillar. The whole thing is about
chest high on me -- maybe 45" tall. The pillar is square in
section and flares out to a square base -- much like a very old
fashioned bar or soda fountain stool.

On the back or operator's side of the pillar in vertically stacked
raised block letters is the name STANLEY. On the front, where the penny
receiver is located, are the words MADE IN USA. Two of the gears at the
top of the mechanism, used to adjust the pressure, read BOSTON NB 48;
the other gears have no marks i can see.

The pillar is mounted on a wooden board and the operator's weight keeps
it from crashing over while in use. The handle is a long flat iron bar,
nickel plated, with a grip made of leather over a wooden core. There is
a metal drawer pull on the back with which to steady the machine as you
turn the crank. An aluminum housing covers some of the gears, but not
all. There are two huge ornamental knobs on the handle shaft (right and
left as you face the machine) and many smaller ornamental knobs at every
place where screws hold the housing to the body (some of them are
missing). There was at least one decal on the housing, but it is worn
away.

There is no automatic feeding mechainsm like in modern coin rollers --
you have to manually line the coin up with the die at the back of the
machine. There are 5 dies in the top roller. Three are in one row and
the other two are in a second row which was welded in, proabably at a
later date. The rollers are rusty and need to be shined up.

The three original dies are horizontal in orientation and depict the
Golden Gate Bridge, the Bay Bridge, and the Golden Gate Exposition at
Treasure Island (sometimes called the San Francisco World's Fair). This
would date the dies to the year 1939, because the bridges opened in 1937
and 1938 and the Golden Gate Exposition opened in 1939.

The two welded-in dies are for the Lord's Prayer and the Ten
Commandments. They are vertical in orientation.

Can anyone supply me with pictures of what this machine was supposed to
look like when new? Give me any history of the manufacture of this
model? Offer suggestions for how to clean the rollers to a mirror finish
without damaging the old dies? Give me a price for having my own die
cut and added to the machine? (There is room for it; i would not wreck
the old dies.)

Thanks.

Oh, and for a picture of an old elongated coin in my daughter's
collection, made on a 1905 Indian head cent, go to my lucky coins web
page at
http://www.luckymojo.com/GoodLuckCoins.html#e

catherine yronwode

Lucky Mojo Curio Co: http://www.luckymojo.com/luckymojocatalogue.html
The Lucky W Amulet Archive: http://www.luckymojo.com/LuckyW.html



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) California Collectors of Elongateds
Date: 21 Sep 1997 18:04:21 -0400 (EDT)



Hi;

I have elongated coins showing the the CCE name and "founded in 1970,
meetings on the 4th Tuesday in Tustin CA".  Also, another elongated cent from
the 1983 ANA with mention of the organization.  Does anyone have more
information about the group?

Thanks,

-Bob Hoff
TEC#2033



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From: rfritsch <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Copy of Yesterday's Elongates...
Date: 21 Sep 1997 20:36:28 -0400

YEGADS!  It looks like I sparked off a controversy....

Should I withdraw the offer?  I can always donate the book to next
year's TEC auction.  If the list members tell me that's proper, that's
what I'll do.  Otherwise...

I stated what I thought what it was worth.  If you think it's worth
less, then make an offer you think is fair.

There are those who think the book is worth a higher tariff, and made an
offer to support that  belief.  I think the curent bid is too high and
will allow it to be withdrawn.  Otherwise it's the winner, and I'll pay
the postage.

BTW, just made a quick two-day trip to the Mt Washington Valley in NH
and have had some rolling good adventures.  Report this week when I can
get to it.  Tomorrow:  San Diego on business.  Too bad Bert is
elsewhere.

Regards,

Bob Fritsch
mailto:[e-mail]



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From: catherine yronwode <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) vintage elongated penny machine restoration
Date: 21 Sep 1997 17:48:36 -0800

[e-mail] wrote:

> If you flind another machine --- I would like to think about
> purchasing one. How much do old elongated penney machines cost?
> Thank you       E.  Smith

I don't know how much vintage machines usually go for, but new ones seem
to sell for $2,000.00 or more. I traded about $500.00 worth of Catalin
jewelry and an unspecified value of comic book art (most of it given to
me and therefore unvalued) for this vintage machine. I figure that it
will take a minimum of $500.00 to bring it up to proper condition,
because of the 18 decorative chromed balls that act as screw-covers, 11
are missing and must be custom-manufactured, plus there ia a pices of
aluminum cover-plate gone (although the pattern for it can be copied
from the other side of the machine), and re-plating the pillar would be
a good idea, too. At this point my elongated penny machine is a
"project," not a "showpiece" if you know what i mean. I like antiques
and enjoy restoration projects like this, so i expect to have a lot of
fun working on it.

catherine yronwode
[e-mail]

Lucky Mojo Curio Co: http://www.luckymojo.com/luckymojocatalogue.html
The Lucky W Amulet Archive: http://www.luckymojo.com/LuckyW.html
check out news:alt.lucky.w for folk magic and good luck charms



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From: rfritsch <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Copy of Yesterday's Elongates...
Date: 21 Sep 1997 21:03:35 -0400

For the information of all:

Bob Slawsky's latest list (Auction 54) has several elongate books for
auction.  His address / phone is:

    PO Box 864
    Windermere, FL  34768
    407/352-7807
    FAX [phone]

Lot 1236 - The Elongated Collector / Dustcover
1237 - TEC / DC missing
1238 - Yesterday's Elongateds / softcover
1239 - YE / SC with stains
1240 - Today's Elongateds / hardcover
1241 - Same / note fm author
1242 - Rosato's Encyclopedia [here's your opportunity Chris!] ;)
1243 - The Elongated Coins (Wangeman)
1244 - similar
1245 - Elongated Rolled Out Cents (Babin)
1246 - similar

Please don't bid against me on the last four items HAWHAW.

There are also a ton of elongates on the list.  Slawsky is a premier
exonumia dealer and this list is the largest I have seen him issue, with
2061 lots of everything you could imagine.

Regards,

Bob Fritsch
mailto:[e-mail]



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Copy of Yesterday's Elongates...
Date: 21 Sep 1997 21:49:02 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-09-21 20:30:27 EDT, you write:

> YEGADS!  It looks like I sparked off a controversy....
>
>  Should I withdraw the offer?  I can always donate the book to next
>  year's TEC auction.  If the list members tell me that's proper, that's
>  what I'll do.  Otherwise...
>

IMHO, I'd vote that it goes to the highest bidder.  Usually, I sell or trade
with the first to accept my offer, but if your post asked for offers, that's
an auction.  Then it should go to the person willing to pay the most. (Once
the auction starts.)

-Bob Hoff
TEC#2033



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From: Matthew Birchard <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) California Collectors of Elongateds
Date: 21 Sep 1997 22:43:23 -0700 (PDT)



On Sun, 21 Sep 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

>
>
> Hi;
>
> I have elongated coins showing the the CCE name and "founded in 1970,
> meetings on the 4th Tuesday in Tustin CA".  Also, another elongated cent from
> the 1983 ANA with mention of the organization.  Does anyone have more
> information about the group?
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Bob Hoff
> TEC#2033
>
Yep, I sure do.  CCE is now defunct.  The club lasted until at least
1976.  It failed awhile later.  I'm remembering that I've read more info
on the club somewhere.  I'll have to dig through my 5 years of TEC News
back issues and see what I come up with.  Angelo's encyclopedia has a
section on CCE starting on page 346.  The club would probably be most
noted for having produced the "World's Rarest Enlongated"  Mintage was
one, then the die was canceled.  The cancellation however was only minor,
and cancelled rolls do exsist.  Oh, actually I just read in the
encyclopedia that 200 cancelled specimens were rolled on 1972 cents and
offered for sale for $1.00 each, with a limit of 2 per person.  They are
out there.  As for the origional, word has it that TEC is now the owner
of the coin.  I think it was displayed at the convention or something.  I
think most of CCE was obsorbed by TEC, not entirely sure though.  I think
CCE just kinda fizzled and finally gave up the goat.  If anyone wants a
more detailed history of the club, I could quote some sections for the
ecyclopedia.  Also, if I get around to it, I'll look and see if I have
any newer info from TEC News on CCE.

Matt Birchard
TEC #1848
Portland, Oregon
USA

e-mail:  [e-mail]



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From: Ken Slavens <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) YE [was Norman Peters List 114]
Date: 22 Sep 1997 09:40:43 -0700 (PDT)

Hello Bob,

I am Ken Slavens, TEC#2116.  I am still want the book if you have it.  I did
not intend to start a bidding war, but I am willing to pay a "fair" price
for it.

E-mail me [e-mail] to make arrangements.

Thanks

Ken Slavens
TEC#2116


At 09:23 PM 9/18/97 -0400, you wrote:
>[e-mail] wrote:
>>
>> I'm straving and my children ate my goats! :-)
>>
>> I'd gladly pay you $35.00 and send you the postage, if you'd part with it.
>>
>> -Bob Hoff
>> P.S. Man, do I drive a hard bargain or what!?! :-)
>
>You most certainly do!  However, the writer known as TEC#2116 has first
>dibs, since that was the original query.  The bid stands at $35 and I am
>waiting for #2116 (but not too long)....
>
>Bob Fritsch
>mailto:[e-mail]
>
>
Ken Slavens
[e-mail]




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) California Collectors of Elongateds
Date: 22 Sep 1997 12:48:11 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-09-22 01:44:04 EDT, you write:

> Yep, I sure do.  CCE is now defunct.  The club lasted until at least
>  1976.  It failed awhile later.
<Good stuff snipped>

HI Matt!

Thanks for the info.  The club may be gone, but, the hobby is alive and well.

-Bob Hoff
TEC#2033



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) YE [was Norman Peters List 114]
Date: 22 Sep 1997 13:33:05 -0400 (EDT)

YIKES! :-)

Seems e-mail gets crossed.
Please bear in mind that becuase of AOL, my list mail is received out of
order. :-(

I'm Bob Hoff, the person that inquired last month about ec books.  A post
followed from Chris with info and an excelent price for the YE book from
Angros. Later I contacted them. He was already sold out, but, cut me a deal
for one that later fell though.  I think you, Ken, posted asking for Angros
phone number, I replied without reading the entire e-mail and must have
typo'd the phone number. :-(  You posted again asking for the right number
and I replied with the correct number adding that Angros was sold out. Then
Bob Slevans was kind to offer his book for $35.00, quoting my post to you
with my name.  I thought the offer was to me and said sure, sold.  Later Bob,
posted that the origninal offer was to #2116 and he would hold it for your
reply. I then believed the intent be for auction and I did see an offer of
$45.00 thinking then that I was over-bid. I think I now realize what
happened.

-It was my confusion / error.  My offer to purchase should not have been
made.  As far as I can see (with corrected vision ;-), the book should be
Ken's at Bob's asking price of $35.00 or what ever you two agree to.

My apologies,

-Bob Hoff


> Hello Bob,
>
>  I am Ken Slavens, TEC#2116.  I am still want the book if you have it.  I
did
>  not intend to start a bidding war, but I am willing to pay a "fair" price
>  for it.
>
>  E-mail me [e-mail] to make arrangements.
>
>  Thanks
>
>  Ken Slavens
>  TEC#2116
>
>
>  At 09:23 PM 9/18/97 -0400, you wrote:
>  >[e-mail] wrote:
>  >>
>  >> I'm straving and my children ate my goats! :-)
>  >>
>  >> I'd gladly pay you $35.00 and send you the postage, if you'd part with
it.
>
>  >>
>  >> -Bob Hoff
>  >> P.S. Man, do I drive a hard bargain or what!?! :-)
>  >
>  >You most certainly do!  However, the writer known as TEC#2116 has first
>  >dibs, since that was the original query.  The bid stands at $35 and I am
>  >waiting for #2116 (but not too long)....
>  >
>  >Bob Fritsch
>  >mailto:[e-mail]
>  >
>  >
>  Ken Slavens
>  [e-mail]
>




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From: catherine yronwode <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Re: elongated coin machine
Date: 22 Sep 1997 12:12:14 -0800

William C. Massey wrote:

> Dear Catherine,
> I'm happy to hear that an old rolling machine will be getting some new
> action!  However, I have no idea as to the history of your machine...
> I'm guessing that the source of your machine could offer no help as
> well.

The man i got it from had acquired it a long time ago in trade for a
slot machine. All he knew was that it had been used at Treasure Isalnd
during the 1939 World's Fair and then had been used in San Francisco
prior to the 1960s. I think he got it in the 1970s.

In looking at the machine more closely, i think i can safely say that
the art deco style housing that covers the gears was hand-made at a
sheet metal shop and was not factory-made. There are tiny mis-cuts and
assymetrical cuts that mark it as one-off work, not die-cut or
mass-produced.

> You may wish to contact Jim Dundon for engraving new dies for you:
> [e-mail]

I will indeed. Thanks for the tip.

> There are quite a few photos of old machines in the books that are out
> on elongated coins, perhaps one of your type of machine???

What books? I am new to this and have never seen any such books.

> As for cleaning it up:  The dies may be cleaned with Scotch Bright
> pads, then brought to a brilliant shine with some extremely fine wet-
> dry sand paper... using kerosene as the "wet" factor.  Beyond that, I
> don't know what to tell you... sorry, and good luck!

That was very good advice. I gave it a whirl and tried the Scotch Brite
pads -- and have already accomplished a LOT of cleanup. The main gears
now turn freely and the munge has been removed from the housing. I think
i am going to have to disassemble the entire machine, though, to get at
all the hidden rust. I am going to ask a friend of mine who works on
cars to help me. He doesn't mind grease and rust and he understands how
to put machinery back together again <g>.

Pretty soon i will have pictures of this vintage rolling machine on one
of my web pages so folks can give it a look and tell me if they
recognize the model. I am posting this letter to the elongates mailing
list, too (hope that's okay) in the hope that any folks into the old
machines will contact me.

> Elongatedly Yours,
>
>         William C. Massey
>             TEC #1857

catherine yronwode
[e-mail]

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From: "..." <...>
Subject: (elongates) San Diego Union Article
Date: 22 Sep 1997 20:41:03 -0500

I know it's out there....
Some one has e-mailed me about it!!! They said the found The Penny Page
from an article in the paper. Anyone else heard anything about it?

Would someone mail/e-mail me a copy of the article?

...
http://truewebdesign.com/PennyPage
...



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From: John & Nancy Wooten <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) San Diego Union Article
Date: 22 Sep 1997 19:28:43 -0700

... wrote:
>
> I know it's out there....
> Some one has e-mailed me about it!!! They said the found The Penny Page
> from an article in the paper. Anyone else heard anything about it?
>
> Would someone mail/e-mail me a copy of the article?
>
> ...
> http://truewebdesign.com/PennyPage
> ...

Hi, Kathy,

Thanks for your alert!  I knew the article should have been published
last week, but since Bert is in "paradise", there was no one to tell us
it was out.

I went to the San Diego Union-Tribune on line, and found the article.
They are at:

http://www.uniontrib.com/utarchives/index.html

You can search from there for an article including the words elongated
and coins.  They want you to register first, but there is no charge.

The article is dated 18 Sept 1997.  Hope you find it o.k.

Nancy



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From: "..." <...>
Subject: (elongates) Newspaper
Date: 22 Sep 1997 21:52:14 -0500

Thanks for your response to my question. I'll go check it out right now!
I truly appreciate your help!

...
http://truewebdesign.com/PennyPage
...



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From: "..." <...>
Subject: (elongates) Newspaper Article
Date: 22 Sep 1997 22:48:33 -0500

Thanks to the Wootens, I found the article about our hobby on the San Diego
Union-Tribune's Internet site. Since it's difficult to get there and a pain
to have to register, I've added the article (in it's entirety) to the Penny
Page for your viewing convenience:

http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/SDT-article.htm

The article is linked on the front page under "What's new" but will be
linked from the FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) Page in a few weeks.

Speaking of the FAQ's....I have updated that page today from questions and
answers that originated here on this discussion list. If do not wish to
have your question or answer posted on my FAQ Page, please let me know and
it will be removed or edited.

Thanks!
...
http://truewebdesign.com/PennyPage
...



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From: rfritsch <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) New Hampshire Report
Date: 22 Sep 1997 21:27:04 -0400

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An Elongated Journey through Northern New Hampshire
=A9 1997 by Robert F. Fritsch

My wife and I made a journey to the Mount Washington Valley in northern N=
ew=20
Hampshire on a fine weekend in late September 1997.  Our primary purpose =
was to=20
relax a bit away from work, and I had a secondary objective of finding as=
 many penny=20
squashing machines as I could.  The only real plan we had was to ride the=
 Conway=20
Scenic Railway into Crawford Notch, one of the passes through the White M=
ountains. =20
So armed with machine locators from the Web, off we went.

We left our home in southern NH early Friday morning (yes, my company has=
 one of=20
those 9-80 work schedules where we get a long weekend every other week), =
but almost=20
not early enough.  We drove up through Manchester and Concord, then got o=
ff the I-93=20
to cut through the Lakes Region toward our destination.  We arrived just =
as the train=20
started boarding, and had only a few minutes to get our tickets and make =
the obligatory=20
stop.  While waiting for the wife to get her turn, I explored the gift sh=
op and found the=20
first machine [I will use Bert Creighton's format to describe these machi=
nes]:

    Location:  Conway Scenic Railroad Station Gift Shop, just inside the str=
eet-side=20
entrance
    Status:  Working 9/97
    Manufacturer:  Eurolink
    Code 18 sign:  Yes
1 - (H)  [Train with steam engine and Station] "Conway Scenic" above,=20
"Railroad" below, dotted border with small "e" by the catch notch ("Railr=
oad"=20
interrupts the border on the bottom)

The train ride was totally uneventful which is the way it is supposed to =
be.  The route=20
followed the long-defunct Boston & Maine rail up through Crawford Notch t=
o a place=20
called Fabyan's just north of Bretton Woods.  This last is the location o=
f the Mount=20
Washington Hotel which was the site of the 1944 international conference =
that=20
established the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank (appropria=
tely called=20
the Bretton Woods Treaty).  Unfortunately, Nature had not yet put on her =
Fall colors for=20
us.  Just wait a couple of weeks and you won't get near the place for all=
 the Leaf-
Peepers crawling around there.  At Fabyan's, the engine swapped ends of t=
he train to=20
pull us back down to Conway.  Another uneventful journey suited us just f=
ine.

The day was pretty well shot so we found our hotel and some supper.  That=
 pretty well=20
wrapped up Friday except for a good night's sleep.

The next morning was the start of The Hunt.  After a good breakfast, our =
first stop was=20
at Mt Cranmore Ski Area.  This was a likely spot as the first NH elongate=
ds (the only=20
NH coins listed in Yesterday's Elongateds) came from here.  Alas, no long=
er.  So we=20
headed north stopping at likely places (translation: Tourist Traps) askin=
g about=20
machines.  Storyland - none; Heritage New Hampshire - none.  So we hit th=
e Mt=20
Washington Stage Depot as listed in Willy Massey's locator.  Sure enough,=
 there one=20
was:

Location:  Mt Washington Stage Stop (Depot), just inside the building by =
the=20
Gift Shop entrance
    Status:  Working 9/97
    Manufacturer:  Engravings by Uncommon Cents (Large script "U" with cent=20
sign inside), 4 designs, hand crank
    Code 18 sign:  Yes
1 - (H), [Moose] "Give Them a Brake" above; beaded border with dashes at=20
both ends
2 - (V), [Squiggle denoting Auto Road] "6288 Ft" above, "Mount Washington=
=20
Auto Road" below, beaded border with dashes at both ends
3 - (V), [Old Man] "Old Man of the Mountains" above, "White Mountains NH"=
=20
below, beaded border with dashes at both ends.
4 - (H), [Eagle with spread wings] "Live Free or Die" above, "White Mount=
ains,=20
NH" below, beaded border with dashes at both ends.

I asked the young lady at the gift counter if she knew of any other machi=
nes in the area. =20
She pointed me to one at Santa's Village in Jefferson, NH but didn't know=
 of any others=20
in the area.  I told her about the one at the RR Station.  So we headed o=
ff to Jefferson=20
and found Santa's Village.  This was a less than satisfactory stop, as th=
e machine was=20
inside the park and I was not about to pay the $16 admission fee to get i=
n.  The ladies at=20
the Gift Shop were helpful though, and gave me two examples of the coins.=
  They are=20
used as prizes in the Elfabet Game, or you could dump in the 51 cents and=
 get the=20
rolled coin.  This coin is DOUBLE SIDED!

    Location:  Santa's Village in Jefferson, NH near the Elfabet Game
    Status:  Working 9/97
    Manufacturer: ??
    Code 18 Sign: ??
1 - (V), Side 1 =3D [Elf] "Santa's Village (script) Jefferson New Hampshi=
re=20
(block)", beaded border.  Side 2 =3D [] "I Found All The Letters In The E=
lfabet =A9=20
Game (block) Santa's Village (script) Fun from A To Z Jefferson, NH (bloc=
k)". =20
There is a catch notch on both sides and they are almost in exact registe=
r.  The=20
background on both sides is fine parallel lines.  I will have to write to=
 these=20
people and get the rest of the story plus more coins.

The ladies did not know of any other machines so I told them about the on=
es I knew=20
about.  Although Santa was somewhat out of the way of our planned direct =
line of=20
travel, we went down the other side of Mt Washington to the Cog Railway. =
 They say=20
that getting there is half the fun, and this trek was no exception.  We b=
asically traveled=20
up a poorly maintained 2 lane blacktop through utter wilderness.  The tre=
es were so=20
close together you could easily get lost just 10 feet into the woods (thi=
s is no joke, I=20
have searched for people in Maine who did just that!).  At the base of th=
e mountain was=20
the Cog RR Station, with the atmosphere reeking of coal dust.  The old st=
eam engines=20
use a ton of the stuff every trip up the mountain.  And there, just insid=
e to door to the=20
cafeteria level was the machine I was seeking, another DOUBLE-SIDER!

Location:  Mt Washington Cog RR Station, upper level
Status:  Working 9/97
Manufacturer:  ?.  The machine has flashing lights and plays "music" like=
 the=20
boop-boop-boop on the Jeopardy game Board.
Code 18 Sign:  Yes
1 - Side 1 =3D (V), [Cog Train] "Mt. Washington" above, "Cog Railway" bel=
ow,=20
beaded border, lined background.  This side is misaligned with the right =
border=20
significantly into the coin and the left border missing.  Side 2 =3D (H),=
 [] "Mt.=20
Washington Cog ("O" shaped like a cog wheel) Railway", beaded border, las=
t=20
letter partially missing, plain background..  Each side has a catch notch=
 and they=20
are not aligned properly.  As a result, the opposite end of the coin look=
s like it=20
has a chunk taken out of it.  That is not what it seems -- it is two tail=
s that are=20
side-by-side and the coin itself is very irregular.  The Gift Shop lady s=
aid that=20
the machine was owned by the RR and the maintenance people took care of i=
t.

The weather had been threatening all morning, and it finally made good on=
 its promise=20
with a downpour.  So we decided to head south via Franconia Notch and the=
=20
Lincoln/Woodstock area where my wife grew up.  We stopped at the Cannon M=
ountain=20
Aerial Tramway (for which many medals were struck when it first opened), =
and asked=20
about any machines.  There were none there but one of the workers thought=
 there might=20
be one in Weirs Beach down in the Lakes Region.  After a quick lunch in W=
oodstock,=20
we headed in that direction, but the tip was a bad one.

The storm seemed to follow us all the way home, and once we made final de=
stination,=20
it stopped.  The trip was a total success, with both of us getting some v=
ery necessary=20
relaxation and me virtually completing my New Hampshire set of elongates.=
  I know of=20
no other machines in the state which does not necessarily mean there are =
none.  But I=20
can say that my collection is complete to the best of my knowledge.  The =
next step is to=20
write a Letter to the Editor in the major newspapers in the state asking =
if anybody=20
knows about other machines.  I'll let you know how that turns out.


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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Location Keeper is back (almost)
Date: 23 Sep 1997 01:35:13 -0700

Hi Everyone,

Just got home from Hawaii and will update you all more in the next 24
hours...

The newspaper article came out last Thursday. I just took at quick look
(it is 1:26am now), and it looks great! MANY Thanks to John Wilkens at
the San Diego Union Tribune!!! More details coming soon...

I downloaded 161 emails, you all have been busy! Some of the emails are
from people that saw the article... There should be some fun ones to
read, and I will summarize them for you...

Here's a good one for you. A location keeper goes to Hawaii on business,
and to attend a wedding. He takes his family to a zoo for a hour, and
returns to his rental car to find everything missing. Everything! Did I
mention they took everything? The baby's car seat was the only thing not
taken... Things kept finding new 'lows' after that... But it be a long
tale you probably could not believe... Soooo, we'll just say to be
careful where you leave your car when you go to smash pennies...

Hope you all are doing well! See you online soon...

bc
Location Keeper - Back On Duty!



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Trading theory (1 of 2)
Date: 23 Sep 1997 08:50:05 -0700 (PDT)


On Wed, 17 Sep 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> Funny that you bring this up.
> When I worked at American President Lines, we used a unit called a TEU to

    Hey, we do the courier work for APL!

>      I set up a trade With Bob Hoff recently where I used the PEU or Penny
> Equivalent Unit to keep the trade even. Each quarter traded was two TEUs and
> a penny of course was one. We traded a total of 12 PEUs, I sent 12 pennies,
> he sent 3 quarters (6 PEU) and 6 pennies.

    Same concept.  I like PEU.

>      I guess that nickles could be 1.5 PEUs, rounded whatever way you want.

    Getting in to halves simply causes problems IMHO.  I think it's
much easier to just call a nickel 2 PEUs and I've ytet to hear of anyone
balking at trading two pennies for a nickel or a quarter for a nickel.

        Peace,

            Aahz


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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) DL coins/cataloging
Date: 23 Sep 1997 08:56:49 -0700 (PDT)


On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> but, as I was putting all of my Dland coins in order of Chris' list, I
> noticed two things:
> 1) I have a DIS-DL-27 without a "cDisney" on it, I thought it was significant
> since the distinction is listed on some other entries and

    Hmm....my DIS-DL-27 Jasmine has the c. Disney just to the left of
Jasmine's thigh, but it's not very clear.  This could be from die wear.
Are there any marks on yours to the left of Jasmine's thigh?  I also
just noticed that the Peter Pan series (DL-28 thru 30) don't have
copyright notices!  Anyone else have the same thing?

> 2) I also have a penny very similar to DIS-DL-71 except that it has Brer Fox
> and Brer Bear holding the sign but no turtle..what gives?

    Brer Turtle is very small on this coin.  Brer Fox is standing on
him.  Take a closer look and let us know if he's definetly not there.

    Whereabouts are you?  I'd like to get a second opinion for
confirmation purposes.

> I looked on the WDWIG penny listings and couldn't find an obvious answer
> here, thought that I would turn it over to the resident experts.........

    Well, the WDWIG only covers Walt Disney World issues.  If these
are WDW issues you're talking about that could explain the difference.  I
have only catalogged the Disneyland coins thus far.

        Peace,

            Aahz


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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) new list member
Date: 23 Sep 1997 09:02:04 -0700 (PDT)


On Sat, 20 Sep 1997, catherine yronwode wrote:

> I am a new member of this list. I have already sent the following

Welcome Catherine!

> I just traded some stuff i had for an old machine that makes elongated
> coins. I need to know more about it and how to bring it up to mint
> condition. It has been in a garage in Santa Rosa, California, for a
> long, long time and although it still does roll coins, it is very rough
> and rusty, and it may be missing some crucial ornamental parts.

    You might want to contact Rocky Rockholt as he manufacturers
machines. E-mail: [e-mail]

        Peace,

            Aahz


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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Location update NJ Turnpike (fwd)
Date: 23 Sep 1997 09:03:04 -0700 (PDT)

---------- Forwarded message ----------

Here's the first installment of the NJ turnpike information:

(all handcrank machines)
Thomas A Edison Rest Stop  - Has sign 331:18
1.  (Horizontal) "Good for a hug and a kiss anytime -- anywhere (hearts and x's)"
2.  (Vertical) "Good Luck penny"
3.  (Horizontal) "Proud to be an American" (with a flapping flag)
4.  (Vertical) Statue of Liberty Head

Molly Pitcher Rest Stop - Has sign 331:18
1.  (Horizontal) "Good for a hug and a kiss anytime -- anywhere (hearts and x's)"
2.  (Vertical) "Lord's Prayer"
3.  (Vertical) Statue of Liberty - full design
4.  (Vertical) "My Lucky Penny" - without a clover but with the "NJ" inside the horseshoe at bottom.

Richard Stockon - Has sign 331:18
1.  (Vertical) "Lord's Prayer"
2.  (Vertical) "I love you NY"
3.  (Vertical) "My lucky penny NY"
4.  (Vertical) Unicorn

Woodrow Wilson Rest Stop  - Has sign 331:18
1.  (Vertical) Statue of Liberty Head
2.  (Horizontal) "Proud to be an American" (with a flapping flag)
3.  (Vertical) "Good Luck Penny" with clover and "NY" in the horseshoe at bottom.
4.  (Horizontal) "You are very special to me"






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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Copy of Yesterday's Elongates...
Date: 23 Sep 1997 09:12:27 -0700 (PDT)


On Sun, 21 Sep 1997, rfritsch wrote:

> For the information of all:

>
> Bob Slawsky's latest list (Auction 54) has several elongate books for
>
> Please don't bid against me on the last four items HAWHAW.

    I've entered bids on all the books except the YEs.  If I get both
of any of them, believe me, the extra will be offered here for rapid sale!

        Peace,

            Aahz


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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) New Hampshire Report
Date: 23 Sep 1997 09:25:18 -0700 (PDT)

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  while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.

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    Thanx for the gret trip report, Bob!  Sounds like it was quite
enjoyable.  The info on where there AREN'T machines is nearly as valuable
as where there ARE machines as it saves future hunters a little time and
frustration in their search.  The only thing more I could ask for (yes, I
am a pain, aren't I ;) is installation dates when possible.  I believe
this will be important info in the cataloging process.

    Be sure to let us know hoe the letter to the editor goes and
e-mail us a copy if it gets printed (and any replies it may inspire)!

        Peace,

            Aahz

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From: Slave to Lady Nikki <[e-mail]>
Date: 23 Sep 1997 10:54:13 -0600 (MDT)

Administrative note:  The following message got bounced to list-owner
because the subject line was 'help'.  Majordomo assumed he was asking for
help on how to operate the list.

---------- Forwarded message ----------

Hi All,
 I would like to get in contact with Ben Lavine.
Thanks,
Tony   {[e-mail]}





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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Archive copy of newspaper article
Date: 23 Sep 1997 10:21:55 -0700 (PDT)


It's smashing | Squeeze play: Flattened pennies make uncommon cents

     _________________________________________________________________

   John Wilkens
   STAFF WRITER

   18-Sep-1997 Thursday

   For many people, it starts with fat desires and thin wallets.

   They are at Disneyland or Sea World or the Empire State Building and
   they want to take home a souvenir. But they don't have much money. Thirty
   dollars for salt-and-pepper shakers? Twenty bucks for a T-shirt?
   Ridiculous.

   Off in the corner is a machine. All gears and chutes and rollers, the
   contraption takes a penny and smashes it, leaves an imprint of Mickey
   Mouse or Shamu or whatever.

   It costs 50 cents (plus the penny). Pocket change.

   So they get their souvenir. They move it around in their hands and,
   well, it's pretty neat. The design on the front is raised, interesting to
   the touch. On the back, the coin's image is stretched, but recognizable.

   Next time they go somewhere touristy, they remember. They pull out a
   penny, and two more quarters, and they have another keepsake. What
   started as a cheap thrill becomes a hobby.

   "Now, as I travel, I look for places that feel like they would have a
   penny machine," said Lorrali Herrera of San Diego. "I grow anxious
   with the possibility of turning the next corner and seeing one."

   Herrera is among a small but dedicated group of people who collect
   these coins. They are folks who hoard pennies just for smashing --
   especially pennies minted before 1982. (In that year, the content of
   the coin changed to mostly zinc. A sad substitute for copper, zinc
   leaves unattractive streaks in flattened pennies.)

   This is the 1990s, so the hobbyists have their own Web pages and
   e-mail lists, too. They share information about locations of smashing
   machines; some route their vacations accordingly.

   They trade coins and have collections numbering in the hundreds. Some
   specialize in designs of trains, or zoos, or amusement parks. (One
   lady, borrowing a nickname from the famous pool player, calls herself
   "Minnesota Flats.") They carry the coins in protective vinyl holders
    and binders.


   They have their own club, their own newsletter, their own museum. Even
   their own language, although a controversy is brewing there. Should a
   smashed coin be called an "elongated" or an "elongate?"

   Oddly enough, nobody's in it for the money.

   [INLINE] [INLINE] [INLINE]

   Yes, it's legal.

   Federal law prohibits the fraudulent alteration or mutilation of
   American currency, but flattening a penny (or a nickel or a quarter)
   for a souvenir apparently doesn't qualify.

   "The key word there is fraudulent," said Bert Creighton, a Chula Vista
   collector. "A lot of people are afraid to smash pennies because they
   think they will get into trouble."

   Put it this way: No one in the smashed-coin world knows of anybody
   ever being arrested for flattening a penny. (Don't try it in Canada,
   though; squishing a coin there can bring a $2,000 fine. People called
   "rogue rollers" fill the black market.)

   Although the hobby is apparently enjoying something of an upswing --
   an estimated 1,000 people nationwide are "serious" collectors now --
   smashed pennies have been around for more than 100 years.

   Willy Massey, a Maryland resident who is president of the Elongated
   Collectors club, said the first ones apparently surfaced in around
   1893 in Chicago, during an exposition. Some of those pennies are still
   around and coveted by certain collectors.

   "I like the idea that a penny I own has been around that long," said
   Corey Wylde, of Fullerton, editor of the collectors' club newsletter. "The
   person who first had this coin probably had the same complaints and
   irritations that we do in our lives. It kind of puts things in perspective."

   Early machines were operated by hand, with a crank. Newer ones run on
   electricity. The penny is forced through a pair of rollers exerting
   tons of pressure. On one of the rollers is a design, engraved in reverse
   so that it comes out correctly on the face of the coin. The coin, removed
   from the machine, is warm from its journey.

   (The coins rolled in these machines are not to be confused with
   pennies smashed by trains. Those coins are known as "naturals" by
   collectors, who don't generally collect them.)

   Machines are located at popular tourist sites in most cities in the
   country, including San Diego. They can be found here at the Zoo, Sea
   World, Old Town, the museums in Balboa Park -- pretty much anywhere
   your Aunt Bertha might want to go next time she's visiting from Toledo.

   "When we were kids, we would see a museum and say, `Yuk, a stuffy old
   museum,' " Creighton said. "Now we say, `Cool -- let's go smash some
   pennies.' "

   On a recent trek to Old Town, Creighton asked a long-time worker in a
   gift shop where the rolling machines are. "We don't have anything like that
   around here," the worker told him.

   Creighton nosed around anyway and found four different machines. He
   pulled out a roll of quarters bought at a bank and a tube filled with shiny,
   pre-zinc, uncirculated pennies bought from a coin dealer (5 cents to
   10 cents each) and started smashing.

   The 41-year-old computer engineer shrugged off the misinformation from
   the gift shop worker. "It happens all the time," he said. "I knew there
   were machines here. You get so you can almost smell the copper."

   [INLINE] [INLINE] [INLINE]

   For many collectors, especially those on the West Coast, Disneyland is
   mecca. There are more than 80 rolling machines -- pennies, nickels,
   quarters -- at the amusement park, spread out around the arcades and
   gift shops.

   When word surfaced a couple years ago that a machine commemorating the
   release of "101 Dalmatians" had a misspelled word in the engraving,
   collectors headed to the park. Alas, most ran into the vaunted Disney
   efficiency: The machine was pulled so the error could be corrected.

   Earlier this month, on a Sunday, a group of about 20 collectors met at
   the Magic Kingdom. While other visitors were waiting in line for Space
   Mountain and the Matterhorn, the collectors moved from smashing machine
   to smashing machine.

   One of their favorite machines is in a shop in Adventureland. It
   features a noisy elephant that appears to be squishing coins with its
   feet. Nine different elongateds are available at this machine.

   The collectors met through the Internet, on an e-mail list.

   The mailing list was set up by Chris Aahz of San Jose, who got his
   first smashed penny in Las Vegas, as a souvenir of his wedding. "I no
   longer have my wife," he said, "but I still have that coin." That one and
   about 750 others.

   The Internet is also home to several Web pages devoted to the coins.
   Creighton operates one with a state-by-state list of rolling machine
   locations. (The address is [1]
   http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/SmashedCoins.html)

   Trades are arranged through the Internet, too. People in one part of
   the country collect coins from their region and trade them with people
   from other areas.

   "I'm getting coins from places I never expect to visit," Creighton
   said.

   Some collectors, though, prefer to obtain the coins themselves. "The
   anticipation of finding a new machine and the thrill of the hunt is
   what I like about collecting these pennies," said Herrera.

   [INLINE] [INLINE] [INLINE]

   The lure of the highway is also at the heart of the current exhibit at
   the Squished Penny Museum in Washington, D.C. Called "The Open Road:
   Touring America Today," it features about 250 pennies.

   The museum is viewed by appointment only. That's because it's operated
   in the living room of co-owners Christine Henry and Pete Morelewicz and
   it takes them a while to set up the exhibit panels.

   Henry and Morelewicz also put out a newsletter, called the Centinel.
   It's published "periodically, as we see fit."

   A recent "squissue" included a mostly serious story about how
   disappointed Henry was when she went to the Osmond Family Theater in
   Branson, Mo., and tried to get pennies commemorating an ice revue. The
   machine was broken.

   Two readers arranged for pennies to be made at the theater and sent to
   the museum. "People really went out of their way to get them for us,"
   Henry said.

   This kind of camaraderie, collectors said, is what they like best
   about the hobby.

   Except for the older, rare pennies, which might fetch $50, most of the
   elongated coins aren't worth much more than $1. So people aren't in it
   to get rich.

   "It's like how baseball cards were when we were kids," Creighton said.

   Finding smashing machines is a regular topic of conversation,
   especially since the devices are moved fairly often, depending on whether
   they're making any money for the owner.

   Collectors said they have tried to get the manufacturers of the
   rolling machines to give them lists of locations, but these apparently are
   closely guarded secrets. "They won't even return our phone calls,"
   Creighton said.

   It's gotten to the point where collectors now are compiling their own
   lists -- of places where they feel machines should be.

   At the top is Washington, D.C. Nobody knows exactly why, but at The
   Mall, you can visit Lincoln's memorial, but you can't get his head squished
   on a penny.


     _________________________________________________________________

   Copyright [2]Union-Tribune Publishing Co.

References

   1. http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages
   2. http://www.uniontrib.com/




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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) DL Catalog correction
Date: 23 Sep 1997 10:31:39 -0700 (PDT)


Greetings and Salutations!

    Okay, Bob Hoff pointed out yet another typo in my DL catalog:

    DIS-DL-93 Cowboy Mickey - Closed is listed as vertical, but is
actually horizontal.  Correct listing for cut-and-paste purposes:

 DIS-DL-93 Cowboy Mickey - Closed
   h. Waist up of Cowboy Mickey w/ Pistol "Frontierland/Disneyland"
    Installed: ??/??    Removed: CA
    Notes: Similar to DIS-DL-4a, but lettering is closed


Thanx Bob!!
        Peace,

            Aahz


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From: James Henry <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) pennies owed
Date: 23 Sep 1997 13:39:21 -0500

I am going to try to catch up with trades in the next couple of days so
please be patient.  If I owe you pennies, please let me know.  I know I
should be getting pennies from Chris (if I owe more money than sent,
please let me know) and Jeff (in route moving?) and Big Al's adventure
in making pennies.  Please contact me if others are coming and if I owe.
My catch up stack is about 1" high and am going to try to do some of it
each day for a couple of days.  Leaving for West Point on Friday.  Any
machines real near by?  GO ARMY!!!!



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) For the list... (fwd)
Date: 23 Sep 1997 12:27:01 -0700 (PDT)

---------- Forwarded message ----------

Here's a location update:

I went over to the Boston Computer Museum.  The penny machine is still broken. :(
However, I went to the Children's Museum and squished a bunch of "hood pennies."
The alignment on the machine is still wrong, some of the letters on the top
of the design get smucked.

The good news is I know the name of the company responsible for the area machines!

It's called Penny Works and the number is:
[phone]
or
[phone]

I left a message on their answering machine.  It sounds like a pretty small outfit.

On the Boston Whalewatch penny, sure enough the penny exists.  But, it's on the boat!
You have to either wait for the boat to come back to shore - or take the 5-hour cruise.
I don't have the time to do it right now -- so I'm hoping somebody can get me a pre-82 of it.

- Jeff





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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: elongated coin machine
Date: 23 Sep 1997 12:35:26 -0700 (PDT)


Catherine,

    Thanx for keeping us all informed of how this project is coming
along!  I've provided the answer for the only question I could:

On Mon, 22 Sep 1997, catherine yronwode wrote:

> > There are quite a few photos of old machines in the books that are out
> > on elongated coins, perhaps one of your type of machine???
>
> What books? I am new to this and have never seen any such books.

    The primary books on elongates are:

    The Elongated Collector by Dottie Dow
    Yesterday's Elongateds by Lee Martin and Dottie Dow
    Today's Elongateds by Lee Martin
    The Encyclopedia of the Modern Elongated by Angelo Rosato

    All are out of date, but still incredibly useful.  All but the
last are out of print and getting more and more difficult to find each
day.  The Encyclopedia is available from:

    Angros Enterprises
    70 Grove St
    New Milford, CT 06776



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) elongated penny press machines (fwd)
Date: 23 Sep 1997 12:38:11 -0700 (PDT)


Can anyone help this guy out?  I sent him Willy's e-mail address, but
usually recommend Rocky.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Cc: [e-mail]

would you please send any information on where I can purchase a penny press
machine. I have contacted eurolink but they do not sell any of their
machines.
rockey rockholt does not have any coin operated machines ready for sale.




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From: "Tomita, David" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (elongates) For the list... (fwd)
Date: 23 Sep 1997 13:31:50 -0700


    >I went over to the Boston Computer Museum.  The penny >machine
is still
    >broken. :(
    >However, I went to the Children's Museum and squished a >bunch
    >- Jeff

Speaking of children's museum, the one in downtown Los Angeles has a
penny machine (lettering just like the logo for the museum).  The museum
is only open on weekends.

David







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From: John & Nancy Wooten <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Coin Holders
Date: 23 Sep 1997 14:38:24 -0700

Hi,

Several weeks ago there was discussion about the material the coin
holders were made of, and whether they might be harmful to the finish of
the coins over time. Since that time I have talked with my local coin
dealer, and he told me the clear stuff (plastic wrap, celephane, or
whatever) in the ones he sells is mylar, which will not harm the coins.

Perhaps someone should ask what the elongated ones TEC sells are made
of.  I'm would think they must be safe, but if not, perhaps the next
batch could be made up with the non-reactive mylar.

Nancy



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Coin Holders
Date: 23 Sep 1997 15:15:06 -0700 (PDT)


On Tue, 23 Sep 1997, John & Nancy Wooten wrote:

> Perhaps someone should ask what the elongated ones TEC sells are made
> of.  I'm would think they must be safe, but if not, perhaps the next
> batch could be made up with the non-reactive mylar.

    I'm 99% sure the TEC holders are not mylar.  They're PVC or
somesuch.  Mylar has a different feel then these do.  Also, Mylar
typically costs 3x as much as standard issue plastic.  Personally, I
don't see the value of my elongates being worth more then a few cents per
2x2.

        Peace,

            Aahz


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++  [e-mail]
Ex-Vampire Hunter-             +  TEC # 2062
(Caught the only one I need)   +  SECA Co-Founder
Creator of Butterflies         +  CM # 182
Slave to Lady Nikki    ^^*^^   +  List-Owner:
Non-Violent Activist           +  Elongated Coin Mail List
List page: http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) For the list... (fwd)
Date: 23 Sep 1997 21:08:56 -0400 (EDT)


About the Boston computer musuem, the machine was working okay on Friday the
19th.  I have a few sets left if anyone else is interested in trading for
them.

About the aquarium, I was very close to going on the whale watch Sunday
afternoon, half to get the pennies, half to try out my zoom lens on a bright
and beautiful day, but the boat captain cancelled saying it was too cold and
choppy.  Oh, well.  I'm going to a member's night event on Friday and will
see if they'll let me on the boat to get some whale watch pennies.



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Elongates for trade   ---  (let me know what you would like to trade)
Date: 24 Sep 1997 00:55:05 -0400 (EDT)

  Greetings---
   Is anyone interested in these elongated pennies?  can we make some type of
trade?
           ANGEL ELONGATES
                  angel of love
                   guiding angel
                   angels give protection
            HALLOWEEN  ELONGATE
                    witch on broom
             HORSE ELONGATE
                      horse head
             HIGHWAYS
                       route" 66"
             AWARD ELONGATES -each with a ribbon on it
                        math-smarty pants
                       math
                         bible class
                        safety patrol
  please contact me     E.   Smith    [e-mail]



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From: James Henry <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) For the list... (fwd)
Date: 24 Sep 1997 10:55:26 -0500

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> About the Boston computer musuem, the machine was working okay on Friday the
> 19th.  I have a few sets left if anyone else is interested in trading for
> them.


I would love a set on pre 82 pennies.  Also the whale watch ones too.
Let me know what you want from Minnesota (Zoo, Underwater World, Mall of
America)

Janelle (Flats)



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From: John & Nancy Wooten <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Los Angeles Area Locations
Date: 24 Sep 1997 19:25:56 -0700

As Chris said a few days ago, it's as important to know where machines
are not as to know where they are.

I just realized that each time I go to the Los Angeles area I pass the
Los Angels Zoo. but I have never seen anything about machines there,
even though there are machines at most zoos.

Has anybody seen a machine there?

Nanch



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From: "Tomita, David" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (elongates) Los Angeles Area Locations
Date: 24 Sep 1997 20:03:26 -0700

Not sure about the L.A. Zoo but if you are out that way (Griffith Park)
then visit TravelTown which is just around the bend on Zoo Drive.
There's a penny machine there for only a quarter!  It's the only single
quarter (cost) machine I've come across.

David

> ----------
> From:     owner-elongates[SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Sent:     Wednesday, September 24, 1997 7:25 PM
> To:     elongates
> Subject:     (elongates) Los Angeles Area Locations
>
> As Chris said a few days ago, it's as important to know where machines
> are not as to know where they are.
>
> I just realized that each time I go to the Los Angeles area I pass the
> Los Angels Zoo. but I have never seen anything about machines there,
> even though there are machines at most zoos.
>
> Has anybody seen a machine there?
>
> Nanch
>
>



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From: Slave to Lady Nikki <[e-mail]>
Subject:  Re:  (elongates) DL coins/cataloging
Date: 24 Sep 1997 21:44:24 -0600 (MDT)


    Learned another new lesson about Majordomo.  It doesn't like
attached graphics (too large).  Carl's message (sans images) is below.

~~~Creator of Butterflies, Guardian Angel, Slave to Lady Nikki
~~Ex-Vampire Hunter (Got caught by the only one I need)
~~~~List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List
~~~~~~~~"My name is Aahz and I'm a Tinkaholic"  "Hello Aahz!"

---------- Forwarded message ----------


In a message dated 9/23/97 9:01:21 AM, you wrote:

<<    Hmm....my DIS-DL-27 Jasmine has the c. Disney just to the left of
Jasmine's thigh, but it's not very clear.  This could be from die wear.
Are there any marks on yours to the left of Jasmine's thigh?>>

I looked and looked, I even scanned it and enlarged it to ludicrous size,
couldn't see it, I have attached a pic of it if anyone is
interested............

>>Brer Turtle is very small on this coin.  Brer Fox is standing on
>>him.  Take a closer look and let us know if he's definetly not there.

Definitely turtle free, I have also attached a pic of this.......


>>    Well, the WDWIG only covers Walt Disney World issues.  If these
>>are WDW issues you're talking about that could explain the difference.

I knew that but had thought that I had a WDW coin that I didn't recognize,
after going through the lists, it appeared that all WDW coins are identified
as such, I was just trying to avoid one of those bonehead moves.....



Thanks,

Carl





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From: Slave to Lady Nikki <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Disneyland EC webpage update (David) (fwd)
Date: 24 Sep 1997 21:45:21 -0600 (MDT)


---------- Forwarded message ----------

I've added some more scans of discontinued coins to my website.

Added:
Building Our Future (Team Disney)
Mickey and Minnie in old car
40 Years of Adventure

Plus, lined up in a row so you can see three Disneyland castle
variations, the 1995 Annual Passholder, 1996 Seasons Greetings, and
Happy New Year EC's.

I would have added Chris' numbering system but I don't have it handy at
the moment.  Sorry.

I'm thinking of doing scans of all the variations from DL and WDW so you
can see all the variations of a design.  Or should I keep 'em separate
(size is smaller)?  Any thoughts?

David
http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Shores/3599/index.html








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From: Slave to Lady Nikki <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:  (elongates) DL coins/cataloging
Date: 24 Sep 1997 21:49:38 -0600 (MDT)

> In a message dated 9/23/97 9:01:21 AM, you wrote:
>
> I looked and looked, I even scanned it and enlarged it to ludicrous size,
> couldn't see it, I have attached a pic of it if anyone is
> interested............

Carl,

    The images jam up the list, but if you could send 'em to me
privately ([e-mail]) I'd love to get a look at these two!

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~Creator of Butterflies, Guardian Angel, Slave to Lady Nikki
~~Ex-Vampire Hunter (Got caught by the only one I need)
~~~~List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List
~~~~~~~~"My name is Aahz and I'm a Tinkaholic"  "Hello Aahz!"




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From: "zinful" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Re: Harris Ranch
Date: 24 Sep 1997 20:07:06 -0000

Hello All,
I'm not sure if I missed the info on this or not, I don't remember seeing
any posts regarding this.  We'll I went to Santa Rosa over the weekend and
stopped by Harris Ranch and there was no penny machine! :(
I have one from there from a few years ago, but was going to get some
trades.  A guy in the gift shop said they took the machine out, but didn't
know when.
Gina




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Coins to trade
Date: 25 Sep 1997 00:39:56 -0400 (EDT)

Fellow Squishers,
     Now that my last round of trading is just about ended, It's time to do
it again.
Below is a list of the coins that I have available for trade.
They are all coppers unless noted.
If you want more details about the coins, just ask.

Pennies to trade
San Francisco set from Fisherman's Wharf/Pier 39, 9 coins including 1
       quarter. Fishermans' Wharf, Golden gate bridge, Cable Car, Alcatraz.
San Francisco set from Fisherman's Wharf/Pier 39, 11 coins including 1
    quarter. Fishermans' Wharf, Golden gate bridge, Cable Car, Alcatraz.
Marine World Africa USA, Vallejo, CA. 9 pennies. Various animals matched
    set.
Marine World Africa USA, Vallejo, CA. 7 pennies. Various animals matched
    set.
(6) SF 49ers football, copper
(2) SF 49ers football and Oakland Raiders logo, 2 coins, Zinc (sorry, machine
    uses it's own pennies)
Old Sacramento, 5 coins, Pony express, prospector, locomotive, steamboat,
    capitol.
Santa Cruz, 2 coins. Boat and sunset, Boardwalk mule coin.
(2) Santa Cruz Beach Boardwalk, Mule stamped coin.
Viejas Casino and Turf Club, Alpine, CA.
Winchester Mystery House, San Jose, CA. House logo and Firearms     Museum.
(3) Winchester Mystery House, house logo, zinc.
(2) Roaring Camp and Big Trees Railroad, Felton, CA. Train drawing.
Proud Vet, Desert Storm. One zinc, one copper. Eagle logo (Initialed BJ)




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Los Angeles Area Locations
Date: 25 Sep 1997 11:42:04 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-09-25 03:56:51 EDT, you write:

> As Chris said a few days ago, it's as important to know where machines
>  are not as to know where they are.
>
>  I just realized that each time I go to the Los Angeles area I pass the
>  Los Angels Zoo. but I have never seen anything about machines there,
>  even though there are machines at most zoos.
>
>  Has anybody seen a machine there?
>
>  Nanch
>


Hi!

Yes, I have a "California Condor" from a few years back.  Neat ec!  Anyone
else have up to date info?

-Bob Hoff



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: Harris Ranch
Date: 25 Sep 1997 11:41:58 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-09-25 02:19:39 EDT, you write:

> Hello All,
>  I'm not sure if I missed the info on this or not, I don't remember seeing
>  any posts regarding this.  We'll I went to Santa Rosa over the weekend and
>  stopped by Harris Ranch and there was no penny machine! :(
>  I have one from there from a few years ago, but was going to get some
>  trades.  A guy in the gift shop said they took the machine out, but didn't
>  know when.
>  Gina
>
>
>
>
It must not have been long ago.  Is it possible that it's out for repair?

-Bob Hoff



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Coins to trade
Date: 25 Sep 1997 11:42:28 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-09-25 00:42:51 EDT, you write:

> Old Sacramento, 5 coins, Pony express, prospector, locomotive, steamboat,
>      capitol.
>

Wow, can we talk business here? :-)

-Bob Hoff



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From: Andrea Anas <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Coins to trade
Date: 25 Sep 1997 17:53:47 -0700 (PDT)

Dear elongated club,
    My boyfriend Adam Gerome used my e-mail address until he received
his own and so I would appreciate it if from now on you send the letters
and notes to him at  ([e-mail]).  He is looking forward to
hearing from all of you, and I was able to forward him all the letters
that I received up until now.  Thank you.




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) San Diego area
Date: 26 Sep 1997 00:10:47 -0400 (EDT)

 Hi All, I live in the San Diego area and can trade coins from the zoo, wild
animal park, Disneyland and the aquarium. Contact me !

                      Zarminator



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From: "Tomita, David" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (elongates) Los Angeles Area Locations
Date: 26 Sep 1997 08:25:50 -0700

As luck would have it, my sister just went to the L.A. Zoo last weekend
and knowing I collect EC's, collected 8 from there.  No condor design.
I believe she said there were two machines one located in front of each
gift shop (entrance).

David

> ----------
> From:     owner-elongates[SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Sent:     Thursday, September 25, 1997 11:42 AM
> To:     elongates-digest
> Subject:     Re: (elongates) Los Angeles Area Locations
>
> In a message dated 97-09-25 03:56:51 EDT, you write:
>
> > As Chris said a few days ago, it's as important to know where
> machines
> >  are not as to know where they are.
> >
> >  I just realized that each time I go to the Los Angeles area I pass
> the
> >  Los Angels Zoo. but I have never seen anything about machines
> there,
> >  even though there are machines at most zoos.
> >
> >  Has anybody seen a machine there?
> >
> >  Nanch
> >
>
>
> Hi!
>
> Yes, I have a "California Condor" from a few years back.  Neat ec!
> Anyone
> else have up to date info?
>
> -Bob Hoff
>
>



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From: John & Nancy Wooten <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Los Angeles Area Locations
Date: 26 Sep 1997 08:25:55 -0700

Since I am going to L.A. next week, looks like a visit to the zoo is in
order.  Thanks for the info!!!!

Nancy

Tomita, David wrote:
>
> As luck would have it, my sister just went to the L.A. Zoo last weekend
> and knowing I collect EC's, collected 8 from there.  No condor design.
> I believe she said there were two machines one located in front of each
> gift shop (entrance).
>
> David
>
> >
> > Hi!
> >
> > Yes, I have a "California Condor" from a few years back.  Neat ec!
> > Anyone
> > else have up to date info?
> >
> > -Bob Hoff
> >
> >



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From: John & Nancy Wooten <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Location Keeper is back (almost)
Date: 26 Sep 1997 08:40:40 -0700

Hey, Bert!

Is everything o.k.????  It's been lots more than 24 hours, but I haven't
see much from you.  I know you're busy, but we get concerned when we
don't hear from you.  Hope all is well.

John and Nancy


Bert Creighton wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> Just got home from Hawaii and will update you all more in the next 24
> hours...
>



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) San Diego area
Date: 26 Sep 1997 12:10:33 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-09-26 05:54:58 EDT, you write:

>  Hi All, I live in the San Diego area and can trade coins from the zoo,
wild
>  animal park, Disneyland and the aquarium. Contact me !
>
>                        Zarminator
>
>
I'd like a set of SD Zoo on pre-'82 cents.  (As would others here, I'm sure.)

Let us know how many coins are in the set and what you'd like us to trade
for them.

-Bob Hoff
TEC#2033



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Los Angeles Area Locations
Date: 26 Sep 1997 12:16:21 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-09-26 11:26:16 EDT, you write:

> As luck would have it, my sister just went to the L.A. Zoo last weekend
>  and knowing I collect EC's, collected 8 from there.  No condor design.
>  I believe she said there were two machines one located in front of each
>  gift shop (entrance).
>
>  David
>

Guess the Condor is extinct. :-(  Must have been there in the late '70's
maybe early '80's.  As I recall, it was a single machine.

-Bob Hoff



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Location Keeper is back (almost)
Date: 26 Sep 1997 09:18:35 -0700

On 9/26/97 8:40 AM John & Nancy Wooten ([e-mail] ) wrote

>Hey, Bert!
>
>Is everything o.k.????  It's been lots more than 24 hours, but I haven't
>see much from you.  I know you're busy, but we get concerned when we
>don't hear from you.  Hope all is well.
>
>John and Nancy

Nancy,

Thank you for thinking of us. Alex is sick, and Deidra and I have caught
his bug... We are busy trying to replace everything (well, the basics)
from our stolen luggage, work with the Honolulu Police Dept and the
insurance company.

Hopefully, everyone will be on the mend soon, and we can start getting
things back to a normal schedule (3 hour changes for 2 year olds when
they are sick is  kinda rough).

Talk to you all soon,

bc



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) San Diego area
Date: 26 Sep 1997 14:50:11 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 9/25/97 10:54:58 PM Samoa Standard Time, you write:
<<  Hi All, I live in the San Diego area and can trade coins from the zoo,
wild
 animal park, Disneyland and the aquarium. Contact me !
                       Zarminator >>

I'm interested.
     I live in the San Francisco Area. I have access to Marine World,
Paramount's Great America (as long as it's open) San Francisco and a few
others in the area.
     I'd like to get The Zoo, Sea World, Wild Animal Park and the Aquarium.


Here's a list of the coins that I currently have available for trade. Contact
me if you want to trade.

Mickey M
TEC 2115

San Francisco set from Fisherman's Wharf/Pier 39, 9 coins including 1
quarter. Fishermans' Wharf, Golden gate bridge, Cable Car, Alcatraz.

Marine World Africa USA, Vallejo, CA. 9 pennies. Various animals matched set.

Marine World Africa USA, Vallejo, CA. 7 pennies. Various animals matched set.

(6) SF 49ers football, copper

(2) SF 49ers football and Oakland Raiders logo, 2 coins, Zinc (sorry, machine
uses it's own pennies)

Old Sacramento, 5 coins, Pony express, prospector, locomotive, steamboat,
capitol.

 (3) Santa Cruz Beach Boardwalk, Mule stamped coin.

Winchester Mystery House, San Jose, CA. House logo and Firearms Museum.

(3) Winchester Mystery House, house logo, zinc.

(1) Roaring Camp and Big Trees Railroad, Felton, CA. Train drawing.

Proud Vet, Desert Storm. One zinc, one copper. Eagle logo (Initialed BJ)




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Looking for that 13th WDW quarter?
Date: 27 Sep 1997 00:23:58 -0400 (EDT)

     I've made arrangements to get my missing elusive 13th quarter (the Magic
Kingdom Mickey) through a fellow, Maurice, at [e-mail].
     He says that since he's going there anyway, he can get more quarters to
trade with whoever wants them but you need to contact him ASAP as he is
probably going this weekend.
     Feel free to E-mail him and make arrangements to get your own quarters.
     Perhaps he might get a whole set for you, but you'll have to make it
worth his time because the coins are spread-out over the entire resort and it
requires the whole day to collect them all. It cost me an entire set of
Disneyland coins to get three sets of WDW quarters.

Fair Winds
Mickey



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Let's make a trade !!!!!!!!  ROY ROGERS ELONGATE)
Date: 27 Sep 1997 01:01:58 -0400 (EDT)

  Greetings---
                      ROY ROGERS -DALE EVANS MUSEUM ELONGATE
                       (IN THE CENTER OF THE ELONGATE THERE IS A HORSE
                        STANDING UP ON IT'S HIND LEGS)

                         nice imprinted  elongate

                          is there a trade out there --tell me what you want
to trade--maybe you have an elongate of interest to me.
           Thank you       E.   Smith



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) We're looking for old Disney ec's
Date: 27 Sep 1997 01:46:30 -0400 (EDT)


Hi !

YEP!  We know, don't say it, you are looking for old Disney too! :-)

Well, just in case someone has some non-current Disney ec's for sale or
trade, don't forget us. Our goal is to put together two complete sets of
Disney ec's.  We're ready to deal. :-)  We recently purchased a bunch of
exonumia from a small dealer's estate so, for trades, we have a few extra
discontinued Disney ec's, all current Disney, many non-Disney (Just name the
type you collect) ec's, Disney pins, wooden nickels, old silver dollars, and
ec's on really odd coins (Kennedy halves, Susan B. Anthony's, Mexican,
Canadian, dimes, nickels, English etc.)  Let's trade!

Happy collecting,

-Bob and Anastasia Hoff
TEC# 2033 and TEC# 2121J



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Disney thought....
Date: 27 Sep 1997 01:46:29 -0400 (EDT)


Hi All!

I was just at the park and realized that all the ec machines have been moved
out of Fantasyland.  Also, there are none in ToonTown.  Could it be because
the coins are too small for little kids?

-Bob Hoff
TEC #2033



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disney thought....
Date: 27 Sep 1997 03:35:43 -0700

Bob,

Where in Fantasyland were the machines before they were moved?

I suspect revenue is the prime mover of DL EC machines. They are probably
moved to locations that appear to generate more 'smashing.'

bc

On 9/26/97 10:46 PM [e-mail] ([e-mail] ) wrote

>Hi All!
>
>I was just at the park and realized that all the ec machines have been moved
>out of Fantasyland.  Also, there are none in ToonTown.  Could it be because
>the coins are too small for little kids?
>
>-Bob Hoff
>TEC #2033



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Los Angeles Area Locations
Date: 27 Sep 1997 04:37:08 -0700

On 9/24/97 7:25 PM John & Nancy Wooten ([e-mail] ) wrote

>As Chris said a few days ago, it's as important to know where machines
>are not as to know where they are

Greetings,

I started recently adding locations where machines are NOT located. This
effort started with my Hawaii Smashed Coin Locator page (since I covered
a lot of ground on a previous trip and found locations with no machines).

It is important to say this -- machines could, and should be placed in
some of these locations... Perhaps I should add a date (Example: Sub
Museum, no machine on 6/97).

I am not intending on people seeing a "No Machine" report and staying
away from this venue/location... My intent is to help you all prioritize
your collecting time, starting with Known Good Locations, and then
working into the "have never seen one here" locations...

I am also adding "Places that need to be checked out..." This is an
effort to identify potential sites, ones I have not had time to visit...

Does this sound OK to you all?

bc
The Hawaii Page is at:
http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/Hawaii.html



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From: John & Nancy Wooten <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Los Angeles Area Locations
Date: 27 Sep 1997 07:55:39 -0700

Sounds like a very good idea to me!!!  You can add all the zoos and
museums in Bakersfield as not having machines as of yesterday.  What a
frustrating day I had!!!

Nancy

Bert Creighton wrote:
>
> On 9/24/97 7:25 PM John & Nancy Wooten ([e-mail] ) wrote
>
> >As Chris said a few days ago, it's as important to know where machines
> >are not as to know where they are
>
> Greetings,
>
> I started recently adding locations where machines are NOT located. This
> effort started with my Hawaii Smashed Coin Locator page (since I covered
> a lot of ground on a previous trip and found locations with no machines).
>
> It is important to say this -- machines could, and should be placed in
> some of these locations... Perhaps I should add a date (Example: Sub
> Museum, no machine on 6/97).
>
> I am not intending on people seeing a "No Machine" report and staying
> away from this venue/location... My intent is to help you all prioritize
> your collecting time, starting with Known Good Locations, and then
> working into the "have never seen one here" locations...
>
> I am also adding "Places that need to be checked out..." This is an
> effort to identify potential sites, ones I have not had time to visit...
>
> Does this sound OK to you all?
>
> bc
> The Hawaii Page is at:
> http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/Hawaii.html



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disney thought....
Date: 27 Sep 1997 16:14:00 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-09-27 06:37:32 EDT, you write:

> Bob,
>
>  Where in Fantasyland were the machines before they were moved?

The Sleeping Beauty Toy Shop.

>
>  I suspect revenue is the prime mover of DL EC machines. They are probably
>  moved to locations that appear to generate more 'smashing.'

Could be, but, there are some real high traffic areas in both Fantasyland and
Toontown yet, no machines anymore.

-Bob Hoff
>
>




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Trades.
Date: 27 Sep 1997 20:42:05 -0400 (EDT)

Hi;

While squinting through failing eyes the author writes.......

I've just sorted through a bunch of ec's.  A few of them that I set aside
are:

"Firefighter Dedicated to Saving Lives" with seal, copper cent.

"Ray Dillard,  Fenton, MI. Elongated Coins, 30 miles from hell, 75 miles to
Hope,
275 miles to Paradise"  with small map, copper cent.

"Republican National Convention, New Orleans, '88" copper cent.

"Welcome to ANA July, 1988, Porkopolis, Ohio" with picture of flying pig!
zinc cent.

"Boulder City, Nevada, Guiness World's Record, 10.75 miles of Pennies"
with picture of  the dam.  zinc cent.

A big bunch of ec's with the Lord's Prayer.  Many different.  Some copper
cents, some zinc, one nickel.

Let me know if you have an old Disney ec to trade for some of these.


Happy Collecting,

-Bob Hoff
TEC#2033





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From: catherine yronwode <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) We're looking for old Disney ec's
Date: 27 Sep 1997 18:07:59 -0800

Hi, folks --

I have noting to trade, but i want to BUY. Is that okay?

I am only looking for "good luck" elongated pennies, the older the
better. (My earliest was rolled on a 1905 Indian head penny.)

(I also collect older brass, bronze, and copper good luck tokens and
pocket pieces (not elongated) such as those with images of rabbit feet,
horseshoes, lucky (not Nazi) swastikas, and so forth. And i also collect
older encased currency (pre-WW II) with good luck messages such as "Keep
Me and Never Go Broke.")

On the elongated coins, images of horseshoes, four-leaf clovers, etc.
are the best for me -- they are more fun than a tourist attraction with
the words "good luck" superimposed.

Like i said, i have nothing to trade, but i offer money. Just e-mail me
with prices of what you have for sale.

cat yronwode
[e-mail]



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disney thought....
Date: 27 Sep 1997 22:05:22 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 9/26/97 6:48:39 PM Samoa Standard Time, you write:

<< I was just at the park and realized that all the ec machines have been
moved
 out of Fantasyland.  Also, there are none in ToonTown.  Could it be because
 the coins are too small for little kids?
  >>
They do that just to keep us busy i'm sure.
Tinker bell's toy shop probably doesn't have enough traffic for their tastes.
I'd expect the Frontierland machine to be moved out of the shop there.




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Los Angeles Area Locations
Date: 27 Sep 1997 22:14:10 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 9/27/97 12:38:45 AM Samoa Standard Time, you write:

<< I am not intending on people seeing a "No Machine" report and staying
 away from this venue/location... My intent is to help you all prioritize
 your collecting time, starting with Known Good Locations, and then
 working into the "have never seen one here" locations...

 I am also adding "Places that need to be checked out..." This is an
 effort to identify potential sites, ones I have not had time to visit...

 Does this sound OK to you all? >>

Sounds like you've got way too much time on your hands.
A no penny here list would be a literal bottomless pit of information.
Nevertheless, add these places to your list.
California Academy of Sciences/Steinhart Aquarium in San Francisco.
Oakland Zoo at Knowland Park in Oakland.
Drinkard-Dickinson Insurance Services in Fairfield, CA (Drinkard made me put
that here as he wants to put a machine in his lobby)

On a similar note, never assume that there are no machines in a location
simply because an employee says so. The most common reaction to my asking
about penny machines is a blank, blinking, are-you-nuts stare. Often produced
within visual range of a pressing machine.
Ask first, then check it out for yourself.

Happy collecting-or just searching.
Mickey M
TEC 2115



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) We're looking for old Disney ec's
Date: 27 Sep 1997 22:17:06 -0400 (EDT)

Just curious but, how's your luck running lately?

In a message dated 9/27/97 2:05:53 PM Samoa Standard Time, you write:

<< I am only looking for "good luck" elongated pennies, the older the
 better. (My earliest was rolled on a 1905 Indian head penny.)

 (I also collect older brass, bronze, and copper good luck tokens and
 pocket pieces (not elongated) such as those with images of rabbit feet,
 horseshoes, lucky (not Nazi) swastikas, and so forth. And i also collect
 older encased currency (pre-WW II) with good luck messages such as "Keep
 Me and Never Go Broke.")

 On the elongated coins, images of horseshoes, four-leaf clovers, etc.
 are the best for me -- they are more fun than a tourist attraction with
 the words "good luck" superimposed.
  >>




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disney thought....
Date: 28 Sep 1997 03:44:55 -0400 (EDT)

You know, I realize that revenue has something to do with the placement of
the machines, but I also hope that there is at least a small amount of
"Disney Magic" at work here and that some of the machines, the frontierland
machine and the machines at the Pacific hotel are good examples, are tucked
away a bit, making the search for them something of an adventure. I have to
admit, before I had a serious interest in getting information (detailed maps
for every machine in the park), roaming around the park and the hotels for
the thrill of finding a new machine really was fun.

Just my .02,

Carl



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disney thought....
Date: 28 Sep 1997 11:33:40 -0400 (EDT)

     That is why I have mixed emotions about contacting Eurolink and SF Penny
Co. about getting lists of penny machine locations.
     It would sure make finding the machines easier, but it would eliminate
the hunting aspect of the hobby which is some of the fun. Kinda like going to
the market and buying a fish rather than catching it yourself.

Mickey M

In a message dated 9/28/97 12:46:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time, you write:

<< You know, I realize that revenue has something to do with the placement of
 the machines, but I also hope that there is at least a small amount of
 "Disney Magic" at work here and that some of the machines, the frontierland
 machine and the machines at the Pacific hotel are good examples, are tucked
 away a bit, making the search for them something of an adventure. I have to
 admit, before I had a serious interest in getting information (detailed maps
 for every machine in the park), roaming around the park and the hotels for
 the thrill of finding a new machine really was fun.

 Just my .02,

 Carl
  >>




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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Boston Whale Watch penny...
Date: 28 Sep 1997 12:18:30 -0400

Hi All...

As of this writing, the New England Aquarium Whale Watch penny machine is down.  No word
on a repair date. :(

On a brighter note, the whale watch was so cool I almost forgot about the penny until
the return trip.  We saw 6 or 7 Humpback Whales and they put on a real show.
Tail-lobbing, fin-slapping and breaching.  Awesome.  Saw some Atlantic White-Sided
Dolphins too!

I have to encourage anyone in Boston with the time (5-6 hours) to take the N.E. Aquarium
Whale Watch cruise.  The Captain and crew are adept at finding marine mammals.  Their
boat has a larger crew than most (Avg.: 3-5  N.E. Aquarium: 8) including biologists and
naturalists.  Their cruise is a little more expensive than most but well worth it at
$24.00/pp.  Nice snack bar, clean heads too. (Bathrooms for you land-types.)

Oh yeah.  The penny.  As I wrote, the machine was down.  I forget who wrote it (Aahz?)
but always ask at the counter.  A young man on the boat hunted down one for me and would
accept no money for it.

Given the overall condition of the boat, I would expect the machine to be back on line
soon.  I'm hoping to go on the Whale Watch again before the end of the season.  If the
machine is working, I'll be sure and get some trade stock.  If I remember the machine
that is...

Ben



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) ROUTE  "66" ELONGATE  (TRADE???????)
Date: 28 Sep 1997 15:32:32 -0400 (EDT)

  Hi--------
               WHAT DO YOU WANT TO TRADE FOR MY _ROUTE   "66"  ELONGATE??

                Thank you   E.   Smith
  Ps---maybe we can make some type of trade.



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From: "Tomita, David" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (elongates) Disney thought....
Date: 28 Sep 1997 12:57:16 -0700

They moved the Peter Pan set out of the Tinker Bell Toy Shoppe long,
long ago.  It used to be by the back entrance.

I've never seen an EC machine in ToonTown.

David

> ----------
> From:     owner-elongates[SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Sent:     Saturday, September 27, 1997 1:46 AM
> To:     elongates-digest
> Subject:     (elongates) Disney thought....
>
>
> Hi All!
>
> I was just at the park and realized that all the ec machines have been
> moved
> out of Fantasyland.  Also, there are none in ToonTown.  Could it be
> because
> the coins are too small for little kids?
>
> -Bob Hoff
> TEC #2033
>
>



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From: James Henry <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Let's make a trade !!!!!!!!  ROY ROGERS ELONGATE)
Date: 28 Sep 1997 15:19:22 -0500

[e-mail] wrote:
>
>   Greetings---
>                       ROY ROGERS -DALE EVANS MUSEUM ELONGATE
>                        (IN THE CENTER OF THE ELONGATE THERE IS A HORSE
>                         STANDING UP ON IT'S HIND LEGS)
>
>                          nice imprinted  elongate
>
>                           is there a trade out there --tell me what you want
> to trade--maybe you have an elongate of interest to me.
>            Thank you       E.   Smith



See email just sent to you from me.  I would like this as well as the
Halloween one.

Flats (Janelle at [e-mail])



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From: James Henry <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) pennies
Date: 28 Sep 1997 17:20:15 -0500

I I owe anyone pennies, please let me know how many and what exactly
they are.  Have fallen hopelessly behind and trying to dig out.

I know I owe Bert a starfish from the Zoo

Davelle-I have 3 Underwater World for you.  Let me know what you have to
trade

For those interested and don't have these, I can get sets of 18 from the
Minnesota Zoo, 7 from the Mall of America, and 3 from Underwater World
at Mall of America.  if interested, let me know by Friday of this
week-by October 3

Flats (Janelle)



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) ROUTE  "66" ELONGATE  (TRADE???????)
Date: 28 Sep 1997 18:28:40 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-09-28 15:35:57 EDT, you write:

>   Hi--------
>                 WHAT DO YOU WANT TO TRADE FOR MY _ROUTE   "66"  ELONGATE??
>

That's a good one too, but, would rather have the Dale Evans, Roy Rodgers ec.

-Bob



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From: James Henry <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Maryland Science Center Penny
Date: 28 Sep 1997 17:39:55 -0500

Can someone get me on a pre82 penny the one that shows the earth with a
space shuttle above it with what also looks like a flying saucer above
it and the moon to the right.

Flats



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From: James Henry <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Toledo Zoo pennies
Date: 28 Sep 1997 17:45:07 -0500

I have 5 pre82 pennies from the Toledo Zoo.  If interested in a trade,
please email.  Thanks.

Flats



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) San Diego area
Date: 28 Sep 1997 19:13:39 -0400 (EDT)

 I can trade you the wild animal park and the aquarium. There is a total of
six pennies, all pennies are on pre'82 pennies. Your Old Sacramento(5) and
Roaring campfire interest me. Contact me .
                                                        Kelly



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) HOOVER   DAM  (50year commerative)  UP FOR   TRADE !!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: 28 Sep 1997 20:56:53 -0400 (EDT)

  I tested this elongate on e-Bay (THE HIGH BIDDER --BID FOUR DOLLARS)

   Boulder city is printed at the top of the elongate ---Nevada--september
21,1985 is at the bottom of the elongate ----in the center of the elongate
there is an outline of   Hoover Dam  -with  50 on the Dam , (for fifty
years), on the left of the Dam is the date 1935 and on the right of the Dam
is the date 1985-----around the Dam that is in the center of the elongate is
printed  --guiness world record ---10.75miles of pennies.

This is an interesting elongate !!!!!

I   am looking for offers of several elongates for this one .
LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU CAN OFFER FOR THIS ELONGATE.

Thank you     E.    Smith



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Trades updated list
Date: 28 Sep 1997 21:41:09 -0400 (EDT)

Hi, and thanks for the interest!

Trades: Country Bear Playhouse DIS-DL-6, Splash Mountain DIS-DL-7 ,zinc and
not too nice :-(, Mickey with rays cent DIS-DL-9a,  DL castle quarter
(silver)DIS-DL-70, Mickey Mouse quarter (silver) DIS-DL-69, DL Hotel quarter
(silver)DIS-DLH-8.  The quarters are from a machine that is "missing" don't
know if it will come back or not.

Wants: Most all other retired ec's *except*:  Mickey and Mini in the old car
cent, Frontier Land Mickey cent (flat) and of course, those listed for trade
above.
High on the list of wants is the DIS-DL-87, Chip and Dale Holidays 1996
Nickel.  As well as other Disney Holiday and New Years nickels.

Happy Collecting,

-Bob Hoff



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Trade list update
Date: 28 Sep 1997 21:44:59 -0400 (EDT)


Hi and thanks for your interest in these non-Disney EC's.
I still have the following:

"Firefighter Dedicated to Saving Lives" with seal, copper cent.

"Ray Dillard,  Fenton, MI. Elongated Coins, 30 miles from hell, 75 miles to
Hope,
275 miles to Paradise"  with small map, copper cent.

"Welcome to ANA July, 1988, Porkopolis, Ohio" with picture of flying pig!
zinc cent.

"Boulder City, Nevada, Guiness World's Record, 10.75 miles of Pennies"
with picture of  the dam.  zinc cent.

A big bunch of ec's with the Lord's Prayer.  Many different.  Some copper
cents, some zinc, one nickel.

Let me know if you have an old Disney for some of these or others I may have.


Happy Collecting,

-Bob Hoff
TEC#2033





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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Los Angeles Area Locations
Date: 29 Sep 1997 10:43:47 -0700

On 9/27/97 7:14 PM [e-mail] ([e-mail] ) wrote

>On a similar note, never assume that there are no machines in a location
>simply because an employee says so. The most common reaction to my asking
>about penny machines is a blank, blinking, are-you-nuts stare. Often produced
>within visual range of a pressing machine.
>Ask first, then check it out for yourself.

Mickey,

Thanks for all your thoughts on this. NO, I don't have to much time on my
hands, but it is easy to copy and paste reports from emails which say "no
penny machines at Hotel Del Coronado." Like I said, this is to help
everyone prioritize a list when they get to a new area (highest
probability of finding coins down to the lower probability sites).

When you read the San Diego Union Trib article that ran week before last,
you'll see the part about me asking salespeople in Old Town about
locations... They said "no way, not anywhere in Old Town" - and I found 4
machines in 30 mins! "No" means "probably" to me. The article had some
quote from me about "being about to smell the copper" or some such
phrase. I know, sounds corny, but I was trying to convey the feeling that
I think a Eurolink or other penny company sales person must get when they
walk into a tourist area and say to themselves "paydirt!" Once I found
the first machine in Old Town, I just needed to think like the EC company
representative that walked there before me, selling (or leasing or
whatever) these machines to the shop owners... Sure enough, there was a
"beeline" of machines.

Anyway, I appreciate your thoughts, and will incorporate your "NPH" (No
Pennies Here) locations as soon as possible. Thanks Mickey!

bc
Location Keeper



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) We're looking for old Disney ec's
Date: 29 Sep 1997 10:45:31 -0700

On 9/27/97 7:17 PM [e-mail] ([e-mail] ) wrote

>Just curious but, how's your luck running lately?
>
>In a message dated 9/27/97 2:05:53 PM Samoa Standard Time, you write:

I am just curious too, but about the Samoa Standard Time? Are you in the
South Pacific?

bc



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From: Alan Kita <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Los Angeles Area Locations
Date: 29 Sep 1997 11:03:31 -0800

NPH - Third Street Promenade, Santa Monica CA



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) We're looking for old Disney ec's
Date: 29 Sep 1997 15:17:45 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 9/29/97 10:47:41 AM Pacific Daylight Time, you write:

> >Just curious but, how's your luck running lately?
>  >
>  >In a message dated 9/27/97 2:05:53 PM Samoa Standard Time, you write:
>
>  I am just curious too, but about the Samoa Standard Time? Are you in the
>  South Pacific?
>
>  bc
>
No machines here in sunny Samoa!
I'm not really, that is what happens when you screw around with the time zone
function in Windows '95.




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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Los Angeles Area Locations
Date: 29 Sep 1997 19:52:17 -0700

On 9/27/97 7:55 AM John & Nancy Wooten ([e-mail] ) wrote

>You can add all the zoos <snip>
> What a frustrating day I had!!!

Yes, but Nancy, did you take time to stop and smell the ... (You're
right, sounds like a frustrating day!)  8-)

bc



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) New Mexico Locations?
Date: 29 Sep 1997 19:53:38 -0700

Hi Everyone,

Does anyone have any locations for New Mexico? We may be heading over for
a short visit...

bc



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Looking for that 13th WDW quarter?
Date: 29 Sep 1997 19:58:05 -0700 (PDT)


On Sat, 27 Sep 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

>      I've made arrangements to get my missing elusive 13th quarter (the Magic
> Kingdom Mickey) through a fellow, Maurice, at [e-mail].

    I recently got one of these and was surprised to see it is
avertical coin.  I could have sworn I'd seen one that was horizontal.
Anyone else seen this?

        Peace,

            Aahz


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++  [e-mail]
Ex-Vampire Hunter-             +  TEC # 2062
(Caught the only one I need)   +  SECA Co-Founder
Creator of Butterflies         +  CM # 182
Slave to Lady Nikki    ^^*^^   +  List-Owner:
Non-Violent Activist           +  Elongated Coin Mail List
List page: http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm




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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disney thought....
Date: 29 Sep 1997 20:10:11 -0700 (PDT)


On Sat, 27 Sep 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> I was just at the park and realized that all the ec machines have been moved
> out of Fantasyland.  Also, there are none in ToonTown.  Could it be because
> the coins are too small for little kids?

    I dunno about Fantasyland, but there have never been any in
Toontown.  I certainly don't think it could be to keep 'em outta little
hands.  Most places PUT their machines where little kids will find 'em!

        Peace,

            Aahz


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++  [e-mail]
Ex-Vampire Hunter-             +  TEC # 2062
(Caught the only one I need)   +  SECA Co-Founder
Creator of Butterflies         +  CM # 182
Slave to Lady Nikki    ^^*^^   +  List-Owner:
Non-Violent Activist           +  Elongated Coin Mail List
List page: http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm




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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) elephants in numismatics (fwd)
Date: 29 Sep 1997 20:29:04 -0700 (PDT)


---------- Forwarded message ----------

Hello I am a collector of elephants on coins,tokens etc from ancient to
modern times.
I am also writing a book on this subject. If you have information about
those elongated pennies please let me know. If you have some for sale
please let me also know it.

Greetings from the Netherlands
Johan Lindhout




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From: Slave to Lady Nikki <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: Harris Ranch
Date: 29 Sep 1997 21:37:17 -0600 (MDT)

On Wed, 24 Sep 1997, zinful wrote:

> stopped by Harris Ranch and there was no penny machine! :(
> I have one from there from a few years ago, but was going to get some
> trades.  A guy in the gift shop said they took the machine out, but didn't

    It was broken, on the Monday after the meet.  Guess that was the
last straw :(

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~Creator of Butterflies, Guardian Angel, Slave to Lady Nikki
~~Ex-Vampire Hunter (Got caught by the only one I need)
~~~~List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List
~~~~~~~~"My name is Aahz and I'm a Tinkaholic"  "Hello Aahz!"




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From: [e-mail] (Jim Thorpe)
Subject: Re: (elongates) Los Angeles Area Locations
Date: 30 Sep 1997 00:06:06 EDT

Dear Alan,

    I am responding to your mail about the third street promenade
elongated coin location.


What is the coin & Do you have any duplicates of it to trade?

Thank You


Dear Fellow Collector,

9-29-97

    I  would like to take a moment of your time to introduce myself.
 I am a Locksmith here in Southern California.

I was born and raised right here in the Orange County area. I have
collected many different things through the years such as keys, coins,
license plates and padlocks.


ONE DAY I WAS READING AN ARTICLE IN COINAGE MAGAZINE  ABOUT
ELONGATED COINS AND I WAS HOOKED.



I have traded with a number of people in Anita's traders & others in the
Tec, Everyone has been friendly& helpful.


My collection is always growing,  I am interested in just about any
subject available.

I especially like Train and Lock related issues.


       I am enclosing a copy of my current trading list

Most issues are available for 50 Cents each or trade 1 for 1.

ISSUES PRICED DIFFERENTLY WILL BE NOTED AS SUCH.


            Sincerely,

             Jim Thorpe
            2723 N. Orange-Olive Rd.  Apt. E
            Orange, Ca.92865
            Tec #1929
            E-Mail  [e-mail]



Trading List

Disney MGM Studio     Genie
(Aladdin)    Orlando, FL.     1
Disneyland    Face of Mickey Mouse & Castle    Anaheim, Ca.
1
Mickey Mouse hand extended     60th Birthday     Nov 18,
1988    Frank Brazzell issue     1
Queen Mary              Picture of ship from front left
side    Long Beach, Ca.      1
Universal Studios Hollywood    Jaws, Pic of Shark's Mouth          (9
yrs old)                  1
Walt Disney World, Epcot    Picture of Geodesic Dome    Orlando,
FL.     1
Walt Disney World, Magic Kingdom    Picture of Pumbaa &
Timon         1
Walt Disney World, Magic Kingdom    Nala
            (Lion King)     1
Walt Disney World, Magic Kingdom    Green Army Man
  (Toy Story)     1




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From: [e-mail] (Jim Thorpe)
Subject: (elongates) Re: Harris Ranch
Date: 30 Sep 1997 01:03:26 EDT

Hello,

    I am interested in a penny from Harris Ranch, What is it?



        Thank You Jim



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From: [e-mail] (Jim Thorpe)
Subject: Re: (elongates) elephants in numismatics (fwd)
Date: 30 Sep 1997 01:03:25 EDT

Dear Johan,

    I don't have any elephants to trade at this time.

I do know there are at least two different Elephants at the World Famous
Los Angeles Zoo in Los Angeles, California.

Maybe somebody who lives in L.A. can help.

Thank You Jim Abbot

Dear Fellow Collector,

9-29-97

    I  would like to take a moment of your time to introduce myself.
 I am a Locksmith here in Southern California.

I was born and raised right here in the Orange County area. I have
collected many different things through the years such as keys, coins,
license plates and padlocks.


ONE DAY I WAS READING AN ARTICLE IN COINAGE MAGAZINE  ABOUT
ELONGATED COINS AND I WAS HOOKED.



I have traded with a number of people in Anita's traders & others in the
Tec, Everyone has been friendly& helpful.


My collection is always growing,  I am interested in just about any
subject available.

  I especially like Train and Lock related issues.



I am enclosing a copy of my current inventory list

Most issues are available for 50 Cents each or trade 1 for 1.

ISSUES PRICED DIFFERENTLY WILL BE NOTED AS SUCH.


Trading List

Disney MGM Studios      Genie                    (Aladdin)
       Orlando, FL.      1
Disneyland    Face of Mickey Mouse & Castle  (Token)
Anaheim, Ca.      1
Mickey Mouse hand extended  60th Birthday  Nov 18, 1988 Frank Brazzell
issue      1
Queen Mary          Picture of ship from front left side      Long
Beach, Ca.       1
Universal Studios Hollywood   Jaws, Pic of Shark's Mouth          (9 yrs
old)      1
Walt Disney World, Epcot Picture of Geodesic Dome
  Orlando, FL.        1
Walt Disney World, Magic Kingdom Picture of Pumbaa & Timon
Orlando, FL.       1
Walt Disney World, Magic Kingdom           Nala   (Lion King)
         Orlando, FL.       1
Walt Disney World, Magic Kingdom   Green Army Man   (Toy Story)
Orlando, FL.       1



            Sincerely,

             Jim Thorpe
            2723 N. Orange-Olive Rd.  Apt. E
            Orange, Ca.92865
            Tec #1929
            E-Mail  [e-mail]










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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: Harris Ranch
Date: 29 Sep 1997 22:17:40 -0700 (PDT)


On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, Jim Thorpe wrote:

>     I am interested in a penny from Harris Ranch, What is it?

        The Harris Ranch coin is a Eurolink issue:
    h. "Harris/Ranch" as logo, "Inn & Restaraunt"

        Peace,

        Aahz


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++  [e-mail]
Ex-Vampire Hunter-             +  TEC # 2062
(Caught the only one I need)   +  SECA Co-Founder
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Non-Violent Activist           +  Elongated Coin Mail List
List page: http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Looking for that 13th WDW quarter?
Date: 30 Sep 1997 10:06:35 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-09-29 23:01:58 EDT, you write:

> I recently got one of these and was surprised to see it is
>  avertical coin.  I could have sworn I'd seen one that was horizontal.
>  Anyone else seen this?

All the 25th quarters I got at WDW are vertical.  The 12 from the hotels have
25 and 1996 on them.  The 13th from inside the park has Mickey as Sorcerer's
Apprentince, stars, and 25, but no 1996.  As I recall, the dies for all were
to be removed and destroyed in October.



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From: John & Nancy Wooten <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Los Angeles Area Locations
Date: 30 Sep 1997 09:39:43 -0700

Bert Creighton wrote:
>
> On 9/27/97 7:55 AM John & Nancy Wooten ([e-mail] ) wrote
>
> >You can add all the zoos <snip>
> > What a frustrating day I had!!!
>
> Yes, but Nancy, did you take time to stop and smell the ... (You're
> right, sounds like a frustrating day!)  8-)
>
> bc

Yes, we did.  We thoroughly enjoyed ourselves visiting the locations.
It's amazing what a small zoo, totally dependent on donations can
accomplish.  For all who have such near them, I recommend visiting just
for the enjoyment of seeing the local animals.  (Ours consists mainly of
coyotes, mule deer, various birds of prey, and a couple of bears that
were orphaned last year when their mother was hit by a train.  They also
had a very nice (ugh) reptile area.

Nancy



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From: Alan Kita <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disney thought....
Date: 30 Sep 1997 10:10:11 -0800

I'm not sure if there were a lot of EC machines in Fantasyland.  The
Peter Pan/Tinker Bell might have been at the Tinker Bell Toy Store at
the castle, but since they started storytime during the summer and the
merchandise has changed a bit, they could have reasons to move it then.

I don't remember stumbling upon an EC machine in Toontown.  It would
have to look unique because everything in Toontown has the Toontown look
and the EC companies might not have appreciated the change in look.  Has
anyone seen an EC machine at Disneyland (or WDW) that the physical look
has been changed to fit in with its surroundings?

Alan Kita
Torrance, California USA



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disney thought....
Date: 30 Sep 1997 11:20:00 -0700 (PDT)


On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, Alan Kita wrote:

> I don't remember stumbling upon an EC machine in Toontown.  It would
> have to look unique because everything in Toontown has the Toontown look
> and the EC companies might not have appreciated the change in look.  Has
> anyone seen an EC machine at Disneyland (or WDW) that the physical look
> has been changed to fit in with its surroundings?


    Rajah's Mint certainly looks pretty unique!  One of Eurolink's
advertising points is that they offer custom cases, so I doubt this would
be a problem for them.

        Peace,

            Aahz


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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Looking for that 13th WDW quarter?
Date: 30 Sep 1997 11:34:30 -0700 (PDT)


On Tue, 30 Sep 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> All the 25th quarters I got at WDW are vertical.  The 12 from the hotels have
> 25 and 1996 on them.  The 13th from inside the park has Mickey as Sorcerer's
> Apprentince, stars, and 25, but no 1996.

    That's the one I've got.  I coulda sworn when I was looking
through Jeff Dixon's binder he had one that looked very similar to the
13th, but was horizontal.  Hmmm.....

> As I recall, the dies for all were to be removed and destroyed in October.

    I heard they were to be removed at the end of the year.  And that
the 13th had no such sign on it.  Also, Kenny Cottrell has several
locations on his WDW list for the thirteenth quarter.  Don't suppose
anyone collected samples from each machine?

        Peace,

            Aahz


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Looking for that 13th WDW quarter?
Date: 30 Sep 1997 15:31:47 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 9/30/97 7:08:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time, you write:

> > I recently got one of these and was surprised to see it is
>  >  avertical coin.  I could have sworn I'd seen one that was horizontal.
>  >  Anyone else seen this?
>
>  All the 25th quarters I got at WDW are vertical.  The 12 from the hotels
> have
>  25 and 1996 on them.  The 13th from inside the park has Mickey as
Sorcerer's
>  Apprentince, stars, and 25, but no 1996.  As I recall, the dies for all
were
>  to be removed and destroyed in October.

WDW ads running here are urging everyone to get to WDW before 1/31/98 when
the celebration ends.
Did they extend it? I wonder if the dies are going to be there until then.
It's going to be nice not to have to look at that ugly castle.




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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Looking for that 13th WDW quarter?
Date: 30 Sep 1997 12:50:40 -0700 (PDT)


On Tue, 30 Sep 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> WDW ads running here are urging everyone to get to WDW before 1/31/98 when
> the celebration ends.

    Strange, I don't recall ever seeing a WDW ad in the Bay Area.
Hmmm...guess maybe that's why I've never been there.  And I thought it
was merely poverty ;)

> Did they extend it? I wonder if the dies are going to be there until then.
> It's going to be nice not to have to look at that ugly castle.

    I dunno if they extended it or not, but disney.com says the
celebration does end 1/31/98.  Maybe we all just assumed it would end at
the end of the year...<shrug>

    Speaking of weird date things....

    I assumed that 1997 was the actual 25th Anniv.  If so, why are
the quarters dated 1996?

        Peace,

            Aahz

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From: BLMC <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Looking for that 13th WDW quarter?
Date: 30 Sep 1997 15:53:37 -0400

Chris Aahz wrote:
>
>
>
>         Speaking of weird date things....
>
>         I assumed that 1997 was the actual 25th Anniv.  If so, why are
> the quarters dated 1996?
> Same reason that the year 2000 is the 21st. century.  The 25th. year was
1996 to 1997. The 25th. full year.

Ben
>
>
>



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Looking for that 13th WDW quarter?
Date: 30 Sep 1997 16:12:46 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-09-30 15:35:10 EDT, you write:

> WDW ads running here are urging everyone to get to WDW before 1/31/98 when
>  the celebration ends.
>  Did they extend it? I wonder if the dies are going to be there until then.

>  It's going to be nice not to have to look at that ugly castle.
>
>
I was there in May of 1996.  At that time, they were taking pictures of the
train and people, dressed up in 25th garb!  A  l o n g  sell-a-bration! :-)
 They offered three quarters (that I could find) at the Magic Kindom, Mickey,
Mini, Castle, all were (V)'s, none were 25th's.

Happy Collecting,

-Bob Hoff





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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Looking for that 13th WDW quarter?
Date: 30 Sep 1997 13:13:28 -0700 (PDT)


On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, BLMC wrote:

> Chris Aahz wrote:

> >         Speaking of weird date things....
> >
> >         I assumed that 1997 was the actual 25th Anniv.  If so, why are
> > the quarters dated 1996?

> Same reason that the year 2000 is the 21st. century.

    NO!  We're NOT having that debate here.  (sorry, I'm just sick of it)

> The 25th. year was 1996 to 1997. The 25th. full year.

    So, WDW opened in the middle of 1981?

    That would answer the question, but it's going to look awfully
odd in the catalog having coins that say 1996 listed as being available
from 10/97 to 1/98.  Oh well...

        Peace,

            Aahz

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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disney thought....
Date: 30 Sep 1997 14:21:32 -0700

On 9/28/97 12:44 AM [e-mail] ([e-mail] ) wrote

> I have to
>admit, before I had a serious interest in getting information (detailed maps
>for every machine in the park), roaming around the park and the hotels for
>the thrill of finding a new machine really was fun.
>
>Just my .02,
>
>Carl

Carl,

I AGREE! The hunt is one (of several) great parts to this hobby! It is
sooool cooool to find a machine that no one else has reported (like a
couple of the Old Town San Diego machines I found when working on the
newspaper article). For me, it kinda' breaks down into 2 areas...

First, there is the "I'll only be in the area (city...) for a day and
need to know where to find the locations. Even with reports like "the
Stone Zoo" I have to find where that machine has been wheeled out that
day...

Second, I have a long drive ahead and stop at places I would not normally
stop - just to get a cold drink (or Starbucks) and check out possible
machine locations. This is how I found the Pea Soup Andersen machine in
Carlsbad. Disneyland is the same way, I went out the night before our
List Meeting, and found that hand krank and was excited about reporting
it to everyone at the breakfast the next day...

So it all depends on how much time I have to look - bottom line, I want
that smashing experience, would prefer to find the machines myself, but
will take all the locations I can get when there is little time to
search... Also, it is nice have locations so I can direct family and
friends there when I am not able to get to these sites... Now THAT might
make an interesting thread - talk about the "family and friend" stories -
you know, the people who love you but still



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Cheapest elongates on the net!
Date: 30 Sep 1997 14:56:14 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings and Salutations!

    Just found this while wandering the web:

>  10 Commandments Pressed Penny (10/$1.00) Real penny pressed flat with
> all 10
>  commandments in raised type. First pressed in 1893. Still a great
> giveaway or
>  reminder to carry in your pocket.

   http://www.execpc.com/~mmgood/thejokeshop/index.html



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disney thought....
Date: 30 Sep 1997 15:06:09 -0700 (PDT)


On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> First, there is the "I'll only be in the area (city...) for a day and
> need to know where to find the locations. Even with reports like "the

    Yeppers!  Without the address of the Morro Bay machine I would
have never stopped in Morro Bay on the road trip south.  Thanx to Bob's
report, several people now have this coin in their collection that
wouldn't have otherwise.

> Second, I have a long drive ahead and stop at places I would not normally
> stop - just to get a cold drink (or Starbucks) and check out possible
> machine locations. This is how I found the Pea Soup Andersen machine in
> Carlsbad. Disneyland is the same way, I went out the night before our
> List Meeting, and found that hand krank and was excited about reporting
> it to everyone at the breakfast the next day...

    Again, I must agree.  Even with a photocopy of the Knott's Berry
Farm map, with all of the machine locations marked on it, Nikki still
managed to find a new machine!  I wish I had a picture of her face when
she discovred it!

    Without Gina's map I wouldn't have come across at least two of
the machines and woulda missed tracking down a vampire as well.  One of
the machines is on the porch of the Magic Shop which is VERY easy to miss
at night as it's not in a very well lit area.  The only reason I knew the
shop was there was the map with the machine location marked on it.
Inside they had a bunch of halloween stuff including a little Dracula
walker is is just way too cool!

        Peace,

            Aahz


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Looking for that 13th WDW quarter?
Date: 30 Sep 1997 19:52:19 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-09-30 15:54:24 EDT, you write:

<< I assumed that 1997 was the actual 25th Anniv.  If so, why are  the
quarters dated 1996?

I'm almost positive the park opened in October 1979.  So 1996 was the
anniversary date.  When I was there last in January 1997 the hotel machines
definitely had signs on them that the dies would be removed and destroyed in
October 1997.  I don't remember multiple locations for the 13th quarter
either.



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Looking for that 13th WDW quarter?
Date: 30 Sep 1997 20:02:33 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-09-30 16:17:52 EDT, you write:

<< So, WDW opened in the middle of 1981?
=20
     That would answer the question, but it's going to look awfully=20
 odd in the catalog having coins that say 1996 listed as being available=20
 from 10/97 to 1/98.  Oh well... >>

I don't know what I was thinking about 1979 -- both of us need math lesso=
ns,
I guess.  Anyway, here's the scoop straight from the Disney 25th Headquar=
ters
Web Site:

Opening Day -- Oct. 1, 1971. Fewer than 10,000 guests visit
the first day, and operations move smoothly. Formal dedication
follows on Oct. 25, 1971. Celebrities and Walt's entire family
attend. Roy O. Disney reads the dedication plaque:
"Walt Disney World is a tribute to the philosophy and life of
Walter Elias Disney=85 and to the talents, the dedication and the
loyalty of the entire Disney organization that made Walt Disney's
dream come true. May Walt Disney World bring Joy and
Inspiration and New Knowledge to all who come to this happy
place=85 a Magic Kingdom where the young at heart of all ages
can laugh and play and learn together."

The plaque still rests below the Town Square flagpole on Main
Street, U.S.A.

By Thanksgiving weekend, Walt Disney World is the most
talked-about attraction in the Western World.



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Let's make a trade !!!!!!!!  ROUTE   "66" elongate
Date: 30 Sep 1997 21:18:16 -0400 (EDT)

                   ROUTE "66" elongate for trade

                    Maybe you have an elongate I would like-------Let me know
what you would like to trade----Maybe there is a trade out there --maybe not.

             thank you      E.   Smith



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Let's make a trade !!!!!!!! ANAHEIM ANGELS  (base ball team)
Date: 30 Sep 1997 21:19:30 -0400 (EDT)

  ANAHEIM ANGELES  elongate for  trade (from a hand crank machine)!!!!!!!!!

  maybe you have an elongate I would like to trade for ----------tell me what
you want to trade.  Let's try to work out a trade.

     Thank you      E.  Smith



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) SURPRISE !!!!!!  I have lots of these Hoover Dam commerative elongates
Date: 30 Sep 1997 23:19:30 -0400 (EDT)

    I think this elongate should be worth a multiple elongate trade-------
     I SOLD one of  these elongates on  E-Bay  for  FOUR  DOLLARS!!!!!!!!!!

What do you want to trade for this elongate??????

    thank you     E.   Smith