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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Re: (elongates) Disney Coins
Date: 01 Aug 1997 03:25:07 -0400 (EDT)

On Thu, 31 Jul 1997 Aahz wrote:

>    I'm sorry, I misunderstand this question in your previous post.
>What design/words are on the coins?  You said they were a 1995 set.  Is
>this based on the date of the coin or is the date in the design?

the only writing on the coins (three quarters, three pennies) was 1995 on the
bottom of each and the word "Disneyana" on the top all are vertical coins w/
various Disney characters.


Carl




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyana Question
Date: 01 Aug 1997 03:40:48 -0400 (EDT)

>If our coins are starting to show up at Disneyana conventions... then I
>better get my pre-82's and head out the door!


I can tell you that the cooperation that I've seen with the getting of coins
and the free trading that goes on here doesn't exist in a lot of the Disney
circles that I've seen and that what few elongates that are being sold are
Disneyana first and elongates second and that means $.


Carl





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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyana Question
Date: 01 Aug 1997 00:53:23 -0700

Carl,

Thanks for this information!

I recently got some nice Mickey 60th Birthday coins from Willy Massey. I
also was very fortunate to have a trade recently for a few Disneyana 1995
coins. I will have to go back and look at them and see if these are the
same ones you have.

We are in final review mode on the Disneyland First Mtg of this Mailing
List Invite. Should be ready to post tomorrow... Stay tuned!

Thanks again!

Bert

On 8/1/97 12:40 AM [e-mail] ([e-mail] ) wrote

>>If our coins are starting to show up at Disneyana conventions... then I
>>better get my pre-82's and head out the door!
>
>
>I can tell you that the cooperation that I've seen with the getting of coins
>and the free trading that goes on here doesn't exist in a lot of the Disney
>circles that I've seen and that what few elongates that are being sold are
>Disneyana first and elongates second and that means $.
>
>
>Carl



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Location Keeper Update
Date: 01 Aug 1997 01:03:12 -0700

Greetings,

I have added a new page for Ohio (where there are Eurolink machines at
SeaWorld Of Ohio).

The new Ohio page is at:
http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/ohio.html

The Texas page and San Francisco pages were also updated tonight.

http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/texas.html
http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/san_francisco.html


Bert
Location Keeper



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Yet Another Location Update
Date: 01 Aug 1997 02:13:07 -0700

Just added to the Smashed Coin Locator site:

Mt Rushmore penny from a WalMary near Mt Rushmore.
http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/south_dakota.html

bc



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Boston Coin Update
Date: 01 Aug 1997 03:15:26 -0700

Greetings,

I have added the Stone Zoo and Franklin Zoo penny (Eurolink) locations to
the Boston web page at:

http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/boston.html

bc



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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Maine...
Date: 01 Aug 1997 09:00:11 -0400

I grew up in Maine and heard a rumor that one exists.  I haven't seen it
though.
It is illegal to elongate pennies in Canada - so you won't find any there.

Ft. Kent is really pretty - if you haven't been there before.  The fort is
also cool -
if you are into that stuff like I am.

- Jeff

At 07:24 PM 7/31/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Anybody out there know of any elongate machines in Maine or maybe New
>Brunswick, Canada?  I'm taking a 'little' trip next week from Mass. to
>Ft. Kent Maine on the N.B. Canada border.  Nver seen a machine in Maine,
>but ya never know...
>
>Thanks all.
>
>Ben Lavine  [e-mail]
>
>
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Jeff Dixon                [e-mail]
Software Engineer
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence      http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154




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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Boston Coin Update
Date: 01 Aug 1997 09:01:51 -0400

What!?!?!  Stone Zoo has a penny!?!?!  I didn't know.  That's a mile from
my apartment!
- Jeff

At 03:15 AM 8/1/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Greetings,
>
>I have added the Stone Zoo and Franklin Zoo penny (Eurolink) locations to
>the Boston web page at:
>
>http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/boston.html
>
>bc
>
>
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Jeff Dixon                [e-mail]
Software Engineer
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence      http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) ATTENTION TEC MEMBERS
Date: 01 Aug 1997 11:56:44 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-08-01 03:06:27 EDT, you write:

>     Well the rules (in the form of the TEC Constitution and By-Laws)
>  detail a very specific manner for elections which basic boils down to
>  eavery member is supposed to receive a ballot and a numbered envelope.
>  Everyone completes their ballot and mails it in.  The ballots are counted
>  and the results announced at the meeting.  This year, for reasons that
>  have yet been reasonably explained to me, no ballots went out and there
>  will be a live vote at the meeting.  That's all I know.
>

My evil twin is writting this, not me :-)

What would keep someone from just typing out a ballot and having a proxy
submit it at the meeting?

I promise not to ask anymore about this sore subject.  Neither will my evil
twin :-)

-Bob Hoff
TEC#2033



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re: (elongates) Disney Coins
Date: 01 Aug 1997 08:56:43 -0700 (PDT)


On Fri, 1 Aug 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> the only writing on the coins (three quarters, three pennies) was 1995 on the
> bottom of each and the word "Disneyana" on the top all are vertical coins w/
> various Disney characters.

    These were issued at one of the Disneyana Conventions in 1995
(I'll have to check my archives to try and clarify further).  They're
special in that they were only rolled during the convention and then the
dies were destroyed.

    I'm very interested in aquiring some of these coins.  I don't
have many Disney elongates to trade, but I've got plenty of others, and I
have a few non-elongated Disney coins coins as well.  Would you prefer
trade or purchase?

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyana Question
Date: 01 Aug 1997 08:58:54 -0700 (PDT)


On Fri, 1 Aug 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

>
> I can tell you that the cooperation that I've seen with the getting of coins
> and the free trading that goes on here doesn't exist in a lot of the Disney
> circles that I've seen and that what few elongates that are being sold are
> Disneyana first and elongates second and that means $.

    My favorite thing about collecting elongates is that  very sense
of community.  Information is freely traded as are coins themselves.  We
all love elongates and like to see others get more pleasure from them as
we get that pleasure ourselves.

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) ATTENTION TEC MEMBERS
Date: 01 Aug 1997 09:11:32 -0700 (PDT)



On Fri, 1 Aug 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> What would keep someone from just typing out a ballot and having a proxy
> submit it at the meeting?

To Bob's ET,

    I hope you have a time machine.  The election's over by now.  The
meeting started at 9:00am in NY, it's now 12:15 NY time.

        Peace,

            Aahz' Good Twin

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Best book about Elongateds?
Date: 01 Aug 1997 15:46:29 -0400 (EDT)

Hi All;

Hope you could recommend a book about elongateds.  I would like to use it for
reference of mostly contemporary coins, but, would like to have earlier
World's Fair and similar coins included.

What's your choice?

Thanks,

-Bob Hoff



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fwd: (elongates) "Yesterday's Elongateds"
Date: 01 Aug 1997 13:57:39 -0700

Greetings,

Here's an earlier email that may help. bc
---------------- Begin Forwarded Message ----------------
Received:    07/05  10:49 AM
Reply-To:    [e-mail]

Greetings & Salutations!

    I recently purchased the book, "Yesterday's Elongateds" by Lee
Martin and Dottie Dow.  I bought the book from Rich Hartzog and paid
$44.50.  I must say that, for me, it was well worth the money.  I thought
that I would share with all of you my impressions of this book.

    At first glance the book is somewhat imposing, 328 pages, 293 of
which are filled with photos and descriptions of elongates.  There are
only a few pages of general information, although I found the historical
information very interesting.  If you collect World's Fair issues, or any
of the coins issued pre-1965, then this book is a must have.  Nearly
everyone of the 1000s of elongates has a photograph accompanying the
detailed descriptions.  Included are variations that would easily slip by
unnoticed if you did not know what you were looking for.
    However, if you are a casual collector, or someone who primarily
collects modern souvenir issues, then the book will have essentially no
value for you.  This is not a criticism of the work, simply a statement
of fact.  The book sets out to cover the early era of elongates
(1893-1965) and does an exceptional job.  They even list rarity for each
coin.  The price ranges listed may not reflect the current market, but
the fact that they are RANGES, so the information is still useful when
used to determine relative value.

    I hope these relatively disjointed thoughts will be of use to someone.

        Peace,

            Aahz


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collector (TEC) #2062  CoinMasters #182  RPGA #152668
List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
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----------------- End Forwarded Message -----------------



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) ELECTION?!?!?!?!?!
Date: 01 Aug 1997 20:33:03 -0700 (PDT)


    Okay, so what happened at the elections?!?!?  It's been almost 12
hours and this little cyberling is VERY impatient to hear results 8-)

        Peace,

            Aahz

Bert-8:35

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) To: Elongates Mail List <[e-mail]>
Date: 01 Aug 1997 20:54:46 -0700 (PDT)


---------- Forwarded message ----------

Hi all.

I'm going away for a week or so and I'll probably have to uns*bscribe
for a few days lest my computer explode with unread mail.

A special favor...

Any info about machine locations in and around New England, please
e-mail me at [e-mail]

Thanks!  I'll surely be re-subscribing upon my return.

Ben Lavine





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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) And Now, For Something Completely Different...
Date: 01 Aug 1997 21:21:41 -0700

OK, here's something along the lines of elongated penny's... Check out
the URL, I'm not making this up!

8-)

PS: Wonder if they were pre-82's?
------
http://www.public.usit.net/cheidal/stupid.htm

A Penny for your thoughts

Two University of Houston students were run over by a train.  They had
placed coins on the railroad track to see them being squished into
an elongated form.  After they placed the coins on the track, they
stepped back a "safe" distance......onto another set of tracks which
had a train already approaching.  Police found there elongated forms
later.



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) And Now, For Something Completely Different...
Date: 01 Aug 1997 22:16:20 -0700 (PDT)


> A Penny for your thoughts
>
> Two University of Houston students were run over by a train.  They had
> placed coins on the railroad track to see them being squished into
> an elongated form.  After they placed the coins on the track, they
> stepped back a "safe" distance......onto another set of tracks which
> had a train already approaching.  Police found there elongated forms
> later.

    Let this be a warning to each of us.  This is the 90s.  Safe
elongating must be practiced!  Always use an elongating machine for your
collection building and be sure it use it properly.  Protection saves lives!!

    Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
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List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Santa Cruz coin supdate
Date: 02 Aug 1997 01:22:35 -0400 (EDT)

     The boardwalk machine is in inside the casino, dead ahead as you enter
from the boardwalk. Today it had an out of order sign on it, but being the
fool I am, I stuck money in it. I got a half-pressed penny back. So being the
fool I am, I stuck another penny in. This time I got the whole image except
for the dots on the trailing edge. The machine is a little out of adjustment.
The image is horizontal With Boardwalk bent to resemble a roller-coaster. it
has little roller coaster cars on to of the A. The machine is by a company
who's name I can't remember, not Eurolink or SF penny. The reverse is printed
with "SOUVENIER OF THE
      SANTA CRUZ BEACH
     BOARDWALK
     SANTA CRUZ
     CALIFORNIA"

     The other machine is on the pier in front of the Port of Call gift shop.
It is a Eurolink machine, horizontal with Santa Cruz, CA on the bottom under
a cool drawing of a sailboat sailing in front of a setting sun (setting, this
is the west coast) with a palm tree.


In a message dated 8/1/97 12:05:00 PM , you write:

<< There are two machines in Santa Cruz.  The first one is the boardwalk
 arcade.  If you haven't been there before, it's located to the left
 of the pier.  The second is located on the pier - about halfway up in the
 NorthWest corner of a gift shop.  The gift shop penny, in my humble
 opinion, is much better than the arcade penny.  I'm looking for pre-1982
 versions of both, and would like to trade/buy them from you.

 - Jeff >>




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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Santa Cruz coin supdate
Date: 01 Aug 1997 22:32:37 -0700

Thanks for the detailed Location Keeper info! Have a great weekend...

bc

On 8/1/97 10:22 PM [e-mail] ([e-mail] ) wrote

>     The boardwalk machine is in inside the casino, dead ahead as you enter
>from the boardwalk. Today it had an out of order sign on it, but being the
>fool I am, I stuck money in it. I got a half-pressed penny back. So being the
>fool I am, I stuck another penny in. This time I got the whole image except
>for the dots on the trailing edge. The machine is a little out of adjustment.
>The image is horizontal With Boardwalk bent to resemble a roller-coaster. it
>has little roller coaster cars on to of the A. The machine is by a company
>who's name I can't remember, not Eurolink or SF penny. The reverse is printed
>with "SOUVENIER OF THE
>      SANTA CRUZ BEACH
>     BOARDWALK
>     SANTA CRUZ
>     CALIFORNIA"
>
>     The other machine is on the pier in front of the Port of Call gift shop.
>It is a Eurolink machine, horizontal with Santa Cruz, CA on the bottom under
>a cool drawing of a sailboat sailing in front of a setting sun (setting, this
>is the west coast) with a palm tree.



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Santa Cruz this weekend, wanna trade?
Date: 02 Aug 1997 01:48:29 -0400 (EDT)

Bummer, I went to the Winchester house today, but the machine was jammed. I
got the number of the desk and I'll call back to see if it gets fixed. I live
only 30 traffic-jammed miles from the place so I'll try it again soon.

Mickey Morgan
TEC#2115


In a message dated 7/31/97 11:46:44 PM , [e-mail] writes:

<< I don't think the popeye machine is there any more,but I found it in an
 archade.... I would like a winchester mystery house penny though.... I was
 there a long time ago!
 liz >>




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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Santa Cruz this weekend, wanna trade?
Date: 01 Aug 1997 22:59:47 -0700

On 8/1/97 10:48 PM [e-mail] ([e-mail] ) wrote

>Bummer, I went to the Winchester house today, but the machine was jammed. I
>got the number of the desk and I'll call back to see if it gets fixed. I live
>only 30 traffic-jammed miles from the place so I'll try it again soon.
>
>Mickey Morgan
>TEC#2115

Did you get a chance to get to Happy Hollow, not to many traffic jammed
miles away? You can get to the Gift Shop (by asking at the front entance)
without buying a ticket? Aahz, right... no ticket?

bc



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Winchester Mystery House
Date: 01 Aug 1997 22:51:50 -0700 (PDT)

    The WMH machine has been jammed for almost two months now.  They
were supposed to get it fixed about a month ago, but....  I live withing
walking distance of WMH and have gone by once a week trying to replensih
my trade stock to no avail.  I don't know why, but most of their coin-op
machine are inoperable.  And this is the height of tourist season!

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


On Sat, 2 Aug 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> Bummer, I went to the Winchester house today, but the machine was jammed. I
> got the number of the desk and I'll call back to see if it gets fixed. I live
> only 30 traffic-jammed miles from the place so I'll try it again soon.
>
> Mickey Morgan
> TEC#2115
>
>
> In a message dated 7/31/97 11:46:44 PM , [e-mail] writes:
>
> << I don't think the popeye machine is there any more,but I found it in an
>  archade.... I would like a winchester mystery house penny though.... I was
>  there a long time ago!
>  liz >>
>
>
>



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Santa Cruz this weekend, wanna trade?
Date: 01 Aug 1997 22:55:12 -0700 (PDT)


On Fri, 1 Aug 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> Did you get a chance to get to Happy Hollow, not to many traffic jammed
> miles away? You can get to the Gift Shop (by asking at the front entance)
> without buying a ticket? Aahz, right... no ticket?

    Nope.  I just walked right in and over to the machine.  Wasn't
challenged at all.  But this kind of thing happens to me all the time.
I'm sure if you asked they'd let you roll some without a ticket.  You can
see the machine from where the ticket-taker is.

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Santa Cruz this weekend, wanna trade?
Date: 02 Aug 1997 01:59:41 -0400 (EDT)

Another Bummer, I missed the RCBTNGRR park, it closed at 6PM but I'm going to
keep trying. I'm batting .500 this weekend.

In a message dated 7/31/97 11:09:14 PM , Liz Dale writes:

<< >If I'm lucky, I'm going to swing by the Winchester Mystery House and Big
 >Trees...Railroad and pick up a few more.
 >I'm going to be picking up some extras for trading, so if anyone wants one
 >and wants to trade, please let me know.

 I'd love a pre-1982 penny from the Railroad (along with a description of
 the machine, Eurolink vs somebody else's, location, etc). Thanks! >>




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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Santa Cruz this weekend, wanna trade?
Date: 01 Aug 1997 23:22:35 -0700

On 8/1/97 10:59 PM [e-mail] ([e-mail] ) wrote

>Another Bummer, I missed the RCBTNGRR park, it closed at 6PM but I'm going to
>keep trying. I'm batting .500 this weekend.
>
>In a message dated 7/31/97 11:09:14 PM , Liz Dale writes:
>
><< >If I'm lucky, I'm going to swing by the Winchester Mystery House and Big
> >Trees...Railroad and pick up a few more.
> >I'm going to be picking up some extras for trading, so if anyone wants one
> >and wants to trade, please let me know.
>
> I'd love a pre-1982 penny from the Railroad (along with a description of
> the machine, Eurolink vs somebody else's, location, etc). Thanks! >>

The address, for anyone on the list planning a trip, is:

Roaring Camp & Big Trees Railroad
PO Box G-1
Felton, CA 95018
Phone [phone]
FAX [phone]

Their ad in the airline mag's says:

*Two Historic Railroads*
"We take folks through the redwoods and to the beach"
Chuckwagon BBQ * Country Music * General Store
Picnicking * Redwoods
Write For Free Color Brochure

Gee, live steam, old trains, BBQ, the beach, redwoods, AND SMASHED
PENNIES... When I die (and my collection is divided up, bury me at
Roaring Camp!  (Us Location Keepers don't get out much... so it does not
take much to thrill us!)  8-)



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Current Tec News
Date: 01 Aug 1997 23:22:53 -0700 (PDT)

Bert sent me this in a private message, but I though I'd answer on the
list since many others have apparently not received theirs yet.

On Fri, 1 Aug 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> Ahhh, the last TECN... HEY! I didn't get the last TECN! I WANT MY TECN,
> (electronic delivery is acceptable, offer void where prohibited)

    I spoke with Corey last night about MANY things that have been
discussed here.  Relevant at the moment is the missing TECN and missing
freebie coins.

    On the missing issues.  The way it works is:  Howard (TEC
Seecretary until today) has the membership/subscription list on his
'puter.  He has not been sending Corey (TEC Editor and mailer) the file,
but rather a hard copy already on labels.  So, if Howard has not update
his computer file (or sends Corey an out of date printout) then the issues
don't go out.  In addition the bottom of each mailing label has an
expiration date on it.  Occaisonally someone doesn't get properly updated
and thus doesn not have "12-97" as an expiration.  If there's an older
exp. date then no issue goes out.

    The missing freebies was a total mystery to Corey.  He has
promised to look into it, however and possibly come up with a more secure
method of mailing them out.

    What to do about it?  I'm not really sure.  Because of the way
Howard handled things, there is no way for Corey to know who's paid up
and who's not.  I suppose a letter to Howard and/or the new Secretary
(when we find out who that is) should get you your missing TECN.  As for
the missing freebie coin, just drop Corey a nice e-mail letting him know
you didn't get yours and I'm sure he'll mail one off to you.

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
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"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: Online support in TEC News (fwd)
Date: 02 Aug 1997 02:58:21 -0400 (EDT)

In other words, "We(I) like it the way it is, you internet people can go your
own way. Abandon your heathen ways and pick up a pen!"
Condescending, not confrontational is more like it. He seems to see the
internet as a threat to his newsletter.
     Obviously, the guy doesn't have a computer, or doesn't use it for
anything fun. He doesn't see the potential or the reality of what's going on
here. I'm trading coins all over the place with people on the Internet. It's
fast and easy. I have no idea how i would be able to do this otherwise.
Running ads in the newsletter once a month? go to a cenvention once a year?
Ferget it!


In a message dated 7/29/97 2:47:05 PM , Aahz writes:

<<     As some of you may recall there were recently several messages
 here on the list about getting more 'net information into TEC News.  I
 have been forwarding all of these comments to Corey Wylde - TEC News
 Editor.  His response is below.  Your comments are welcome.

         Peace,

             Aahz


 ---------- Forwarded message ----------
 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 17:06:45 -0400 (EDT)
 From:[e-mail]
 To: [e-mail]
 Subject: Re: Online support in TEC News

 Typical of today's cyberlings, Kathy is missing the true fabric of the TEC
 club. Many folks with a ton to contribute to the hobby have no access to
 computers. In today's "I won't wait for anything" culture Many things of
true
 value are overlooked and passed by. I think it's a shame. While Tec will
 endeavor to meet the needs of all its constituents, all should be encouraged
 to paricipate in BOTH forms of communication. Also, the rich history of the
 hobby is embodied primarily in those who don't embrace computers. The best
 articles I receive are hand or type written. For those who can't wait, the
 future holds lessons which have already been learned by those who go before.
 I think we should learn from them, don't you?

Aahz:
 After rereading this note, its tone sounds confrontational. That is not my
 intent -- only to enlighten.

 Please let me know your thoughts. Obviously, I support the Net. >>




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: Online support in TEC News (fwd)
Date: 02 Aug 1997 03:06:32 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 7/30/97 2:06:37 AM , you write:

<< I support the net too. If TEC doesn't get at least a web page they will go
 the way of the dodo!  Besides, newsleters waist trees... the web/internet is
 more environmentaly friendly!  Just my 2 cents...
 Liz >>

     I doubt that. In my office at least, you should see all the hard copies
that my printer churns out so that I can keep track of with whom I am
trading. :)
     Besides, NO trees are cut down to make paper, they are cut down for
lumber, paper is made from the recovered waste products of lumber
manufacturing.

Mickey M
TEC 2115



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: Online support in TEC News (fwd)
Date: 02 Aug 1997 00:14:44 -0700 (PDT)


On Sat, 2 Aug 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> In other words, "We(I) like it the way it is, you internet people can go your
> own way. Abandon your heathen ways and pick up a pen!"
> Condescending, not confrontational is more like it. He seems to see the
> internet as a threat to his newsletter.

    I agree that the message was very much condescending, but you
have misunderstood (as I first did) his motivations.  Corey and I have
thrashed this out both via e-mail and over the phone.  Corey was/is
concerned that the large amount of 'net information would be intimidating
to many of the older, long-term mebers of TEC that have no understanding
of computers, much less the net.  I strongly disagreed until today.  I
just received a letter from Anita Zell (TEC Treasurer and all around
great lady).  One of the issues she brings up is that from the look of
the last TECN computers are taking over the hobby.  She goes on to say
that she thinks her Penny Pen Pals trading club "and our plain old
postage have gone the wayside".  This is exactly what Corey feared.  I do
not know how long Penny Pen Pals has been around, but it is a wonderful
sub-group of TEC.  They trade pennies and sorrespond via snail mail on a
regular basis.  This is the kind of thing that can not disappear or TEC
will disappear as well.  Sure, we do the same thing faster on the 'net,
but that doesn't mean things should not be done offline as well.  I only
want the 'net to be represented in TEC (and vice versa), I don't want the
'net to replace TEC, nor do I think do most of you.
    Also, TECN is by no means, Corey's newsletter.  It is the club's
newsletter.  Corey is the editor because he happens to be a printer by trade.
Most clubs have anyone with a printing press become the editor.  It keeps
things easy.


>      Obviously, the guy doesn't have a computer, or doesn't use it for

    This is a ridiculous statement and you're obviously thinking with
your emotions, not your head.  If COrey didn't have a computer how could
I have forwarded his e-mail to the list?  Calm down and think about the
ENTIRE conversation that has occured.  Corey has apologized for offending
anyone by his use of the term Cyberling (which has since been heartily
adopted my many on the list).  Don't take his comments out of context,
that's not why I posted them.  They are part of a conversation.  Read ll
of the conversation and then make your decision.


> anything fun. He doesn't see the potential or the reality of what's going on
> here. I'm trading coins all over the place with people on the Internet. It's
> fast and easy. I have no idea how i would be able to do this otherwise.
> Running ads in the newsletter once a month? go to a cenvention once a year?
> Ferget it!

    Possibly join Anita's Penny Pen Pals.  How do you think people
have been doing it for the last 30 years?  I agree that the net is the
best form of communication available to us today.  Things like this very
mailing list would be nearly impossible without the 'net.  But if you
can't have a Ferrari do you not buy a car at all?  No, you deal with what
you've got.  And if you DID have a Ferrarri, odds are you would
occaisonally drive something else.  The 'net is great, but it's not the
world.

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: Online support in TEC News (fwd)
Date: 02 Aug 1997 08:41:50 -0400

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> In a message dated 7/30/97 2:06:37 AM , you write:
>
> << I support the net too. If TEC doesn't get at least a web page they will go
>  the way of the dodo!  Besides, newsleters waist trees... the web/internet is
>  more environmentaly friendly!  Just my 2 cents...
>  Liz >>
>
>      I doubt that. In my office at least, you should see all the hard copies
> that my printer churns out so that I can keep track of with whom I am
> trading. :)
>      Besides, NO trees are cut down to make paper, they are cut down for
> lumber, paper is made from the recovered waste products of lumber
> manufacturing.
>

Sorry.  Have to disagree here.  Take a look at the clearcut lumber work
in Northern New England.  The Company???  Great Northern Paper Corp.

Besides, the issue isn't trees, paper or computers.  The issue is
finding some common ground and standing on it.  As a non-member (For
right now.) it seems to me that TEC is going through some growing pains.
I have decided to wait a while before joining as is sounds like things
are a little disorganized of late.  I'm sure there's been confusion
beofre and that there will be again.  I just feel it's best to join up
when the situation is stable.

As an aside, I've had LOTS of problems lately with the U.S. Postal
Service; mail mangled and misdelivered.  I'm reluctant to trust the USPS
with my elongates but for $.32...

Penny Pen Pals sounds fun.  There's something to be said for
anticipation.  It's part of what makes a hobby like this enjoyable.

C'mon.  The average cost of an elongate has to be about $.51!!!!  Even
buying a bunch of steel pennies I have about $40.00 invested in my whole
collection, newbie that I am.  I wish, pound for pound and dollar for
dollar that I got as much enjoyment out of my boat, diving gear
motorcycle etc. etc. (He who dies with the must toys dies, but has fun
first.)

In the words of he immortal Rodney King: "Can't we all just mow the
lawn?"   (Sorry-- police humor.  No one will ever accuse me of being
politically correct.)

See you all in a week or so.

Ben Lavine   [e-mail]



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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: Online support in TEC News (fwd)
Date: 02 Aug 1997 08:44:15 -0400

Chris Aahz wrote:
>
> mailing list would be nearly impossible without the 'net.  But if you
> can't have a Ferrari do you not buy a car at all?  No, you deal with what
> you've got.  And if you DID have a Ferrarri, odds are you would
> occaisonally drive something else.  The 'net is great, but it's not the
> world.

Yes, but I'd still like a Ferrari...

Ben
               Peace,
>
>                         Aahz
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>           Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
> The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
> List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
> Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
> "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Winchester Mystery House
Date: 02 Aug 1997 11:23:01 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-08-02 06:13:14 EDT, you write:

>     The WMH machine has been jammed for almost two months now.  They
>  were supposed to get it fixed about a month ago, but....  I live withing
>  walking distance of WMH and have gone by once a week trying to replensih
>  my trade stock to no avail.  I don't know why, but most of their coin-op
>  machine are inoperable.  And this is the height of tourist season!
>
>

It doesn't surprize me!  I've visited the place for years and the *house*
isn't even finished yet! :-)

-Bob Hoff
TEC#2033



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) My 2 Cents - Join TEC
Date: 02 Aug 1997 11:09:13 -0700

On 8/2/97 5:41 AM Mary C. and Ben L. ([e-mail] ) wrote

>Sorry.  Have to disagree here.  Take a look at the clear cut lumber work
>in Northern New England.  The Company???  Great Northern Paper Corp.
>
>Besides, the issue isn't trees, paper or computers.  The issue is
>finding some common ground and standing on it.  As a non-member (For
>right now.) it seems to me that TEC is going through some growing pains.
>I have decided to wait a while before joining as is sounds like things
>are a little disorganized of late.  I'm sure there's been confusion
>before and that there will be again.  I just feel it's best to join up
>when the situation is stable.

<Bert here...> TEC is going through some growing pains and this is GREAT!
If we were not growing many would not hang around. The time to join is
now, and make sure the growth is in areas that benefit and interest you.
I joined recently (#2095) and I am looking for active ways to help shape
the growth. The hallmark of this list has been very active participation.
We need that same interactivity in TEC. TEC has a wealth of information
and a national (international?) membership. Now is the time to join and
take the organization to a new level!
>
>As an aside, I've had LOTS of problems lately with the U.S. Postal
>Service; mail mangled and misdelivered.  I'm reluctant to trust the USPS
>with my elongates but for $.32...

Write a letter to your local postmaster. They will respond! My team at
work is building a major web site for the USPS and it will allow you to
have many services available from your computer, or phone. But do let the
local postmaster know if you have problems...

>
>Penny Pen Pals sounds fun.  There's something to be said for
>anticipation.  It's part of what makes a hobby like this enjoyable.
>

I agree fully! Aahz, can we put something on the list that helps list
members start Penny Pen Pals with non list members! The power of this
list can join with the wealth of knowledge of long time TEC'ys. If we get
some great information in our Pen Pal letters, we could each post it to
the list for everyone here to share. It also becomes archived that way,
searchable by anyone that wants to look through it.

>C'mon.  The average cost of an elongate has to be about $.51!!!!  Even
>buying a bunch of steel pennies I have about $40.00 invested in my whole
>collection, newbie that I am.  I wish, pound for pound and dollar for
>dollar that I got as much enjoyment out of my boat, diving gear
>motorcycle etc. etc. (He who dies with the must toys dies, but has fun
>first.)

I have collected other things... but all took up loads of space! I hear
you on the cost factor to. And my pennies never need a tune up, they use
no consumable supplies (well a little ketchup now and then, but's it free
from Burger-Dootle) and there are SOOOOO many designs. I carry one with
me, so I can show it to people and get them hooked! It works...

>In the words of he immortal Rodney King: "Can't we all just mow the
>lawn?"   (Sorry-- police humor.  No one will ever accuse me of being
>politically correct.)

It's Saturday, skip the lawn, I'm going smashin'!!!

>See you all in a week or so.
>
>Ben Lavine   [e-mail]

Ben, and list members... TEC is no better or worse that the people that
make it up and the time they invest in it. I am new to TEC (last 6
months). I am sure older TEC members could tell us TEC newbies some
stories about the 'organization' in the past. This is probably not the
first time change has occurred. I'd like to hear about some of the past
changes and how TEC dealt with them.

We had some misunderstandings, with Corey. He now knows (THANKS Chris
Aahz) that his cyberling term really got a few of us. He also knows how
his comments effected some of us. Chris talked to him and I think we
(list-ners) have a new friend.

Corey may come to our Disneyland meeting. I hope he does. I want to brain
storm with him on how we can ensure the free pennies can be attached
securely, and how we can communicate with older (time in membership, not
age) members of TEC. I want to scope out a couple of articles that we all
can start writing for TEC news...

My momma said it is easy to sit on the bench, but a lot more fun to get
out and do something. So git' yawl! Get to Willy's home page and get the
TEC application and send it in. Actually, hold it a few days until Willy
can tell us who to send it to...

I have one great regret (in my short time as a collector) and that is not
meeting Frank Brazzell. I am getting to know him now through his art. I
find FB designs and I get to see Frank at work... Wish I had been a TEC
member a long time ago and known about Frank then! There are others...
and they are people I want to get to know now... I want to meet Willy in
person, and Ray Dillard, and Anita and Corey. Let's get TEC revved up and
get some of these great people in our hobby sharing their stories about
Frank and about their own adventures.

I am sticking with TEC, going to see how I can help Corey with the
newsletter, keep my Location Keeper duties on the web, and continue to
learn and laugh with you all here on the Mailing List.

We're talking about a $10.00 fee, and a couple of letters a year to be
active in an organization that IS growing, IS getting new net-savvy
members, and IS going to meet the needs and interests of many members. We
techy-TECs have a lot to offer... Let's get started!

Bert Creighton
TEC#2095



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) My 2 Cents - Join TEC
Date: 02 Aug 1997 14:09:25 -0700 (PDT)


On Sat, 2 Aug 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> the growth. The hallmark of this list has been very active participation.
> We need that same interactivity in TEC. TEC has a wealth of information
> and a national (international?) membership. Now is the time to join and
> take the organization to a new level!

    Bert has hit the nail right on the head!  Interactivity is what
I, for one, am trying to bring to TEC.  Even with an official web page,
the wealth of knowledge that older and long-term members have will not
make it online.  As someone pointed out, one meeting and four newsletters
a year does not spread much information.  But considering the low
attendence at that one meeting I highly doubt more could be supported.
And the newsletter should be going bi-monthly.  This will certainly help
spread more information.  But in order to do this we need participation.
We can all sit around on the 'net 24/7 but this won't get us in contact
with people like Dottie Dow (TEC #1).  Being active in TEC offline as
well as on will do just that.

> >Penny Pen Pals sounds fun.  There's something to be said for
> >anticipation.  It's part of what makes a hobby like this enjoyable.
> >
>
> I agree fully! Aahz, can we put something on the list that helps list
> members start Penny Pen Pals with non list members! The power of this
> list can join with the wealth of knowledge of long time TEC'ys. If we get
> some great information in our Pen Pal letters, we could each post it to
> the list for everyone here to share. It also becomes archived that way,
> searchable by anyone that wants to look through it.

    Hmmmm....Penny Pen Pals is Anita Zell's baby.  It's one of her
large contributions to ECs.  I'm not going to be a part of taking it away
from her.  Any TEC member can join PPP, just write Anita.  I believe
there will be an article about it in the next TECN.

> Corey may come to our Disneyland meeting. I hope he does. I want to brain
> storm with him on how we can ensure the free pennies can be attached
> securely, and how we can communicate with older (time in membership, not
> age) members of TEC. I want to scope out a couple of articles that we all
> can start writing for TEC news...

    This is the key!  The 'net is all about communication.  So let's
use this forum to communicate and come up with bigger and better ideas
that can applied to our hobby.  If TEC is ever going to meet your needs,
now is the time to join and help mold its future.

> TEC application and send it in. Actually, hold it a few days until Willy
> can tell us who to send it to...

    I WANT ELECTION RESULTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> We're talking about a $10.00 fee, and a couple of letters a year to be
> active in an organization that IS growing, IS getting new net-savvy
> members, and IS going to meet the needs and interests of many members. We
> techy-TECs have a lot to offer... Let's get started!

    In the immortal word of John Belushi:

    "Leeeeeeeet's Doooooo Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiittt!!!!"


            Peace,

                Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
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From: "mike schlaack" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Michigan & Chicago Elongates
Date: 02 Aug 1997 18:07:08 -0400

Hey All-

Looking for locations of machines in Chicago area and Michigan.  If you can
help it would be appreciated.

Thank,
Mike



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Organizing Collections?
Date: 03 Aug 1997 00:55:49 -0700

Greetings All,

I am seeking your advise on how you organize your collections, especially
those using 2x2's (2" by 2" holders in plastic sheets). Any tips on where
to get supplies (TEC has 2x2 elongated versions), plastic pages (coin vs
35mm slide pages), etc.

How are you all organizing your coins? By state, city, loction?

We have talked about polishing ideas and pre-1982 (less zinc) ideas. This
seemed like the time to move on to organizing things.

Thanks for any ideas you can share.

bc



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From: Matthew Birchard <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Organizing Collections?
Date: 03 Aug 1997 01:03:13 -0700 (PDT)



On Sun, 3 Aug 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> Greetings All,
>
> I am seeking your advise on how you organize your collections, especially
> those using 2x2's (2" by 2" holders in plastic sheets). Any tips on where
> to get supplies (TEC has 2x2 elongated versions), plastic pages (coin vs
> 35mm slide pages), etc.

I use the TEc 2x2's with the standard plastic pages.  The problem that I
encounter however is that many times I must cut some excess cardbaord
from the 2x2 (which isn't exactly 2x2) to make it fit in the plastic
page.  Then, once I get it in (sometimes I break the plastic, *%@!) I
don't want to remove it or try and push another into that streched slot.

>
> How are you all organizing your coins? By state, city, loction?

I kinda keep 'em organized in a loose cronological sort of way.  Which
translates to: I ad a new page as new coins warrant.  When I get a big
lot I tend to group them by subject matter.  All zoo issues on one page.
Disney on another, etc.  Also, once I fill a page with say, Disney coins,
If I get more Disney coins, I don't want to shift everything around just
to insert a few coins into order.  Thus I have a bunch of misc. pages in
the backs of my binders.
    On my older issues, and the special ones, like my Newsletter
award coins, I keep them in a type case mounted on the wall.  My father
is a printer and he was able to get for me three such cases.  They are
actually oak drawers which were used to hold the old movable type used in
printing.  This style case has 98 2x2 sections, just perfect for
elongates in holders.  I have one case, half filled mounted on my wall.
I wrote an article entitled "The Way I Display" a few years back for TEC
News detailing this method of storage/display.

>
> We have talked about polishing ideas and pre-1982 (less zinc) ideas. This
> seemed like the time to move on to organizing things.
>
But on some designs the zinc is really cool.  I've got a covered bridge
issue with a bunch of tight vertical lines.  The blue zinc makes that
look neat.

> Thanks for any ideas you can share.
>
> bc
>
No problem.

Matt Birchard
TEC #1848
Portland, Oregon
USA

e-mail:  [e-mail]



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Organizing Collections?
Date: 03 Aug 1997 01:55:23 -0700

On 8/3/97 1:03 AM Matthew Birchard ([e-mail] ) wrote

>My father
>is a printer and he was able to get for me three such cases.

Matt,

THANKS for all the information!

I love the type case idea! I worked on an 1892 Goss press for a year
(melting lead, making type, etc. Have to see if I still have a drawer in
the garage...

Thanks again!

Bert



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Santa Cruz this weekend, wanna trade?
Date: 03 Aug 1997 11:34:38 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 8/2/97 4:45:26 AM , you write:


>  On 8/1/97 10:48 PM [e-mail] ([e-mail] ) wrote
>
>  >Bummer, I went to the Winchester house today, but the machine was jammed.
I
>  >got the number of the desk and I'll call back to see if it gets fixed. I
> live
>  >only 30 traffic-jammed miles from the place so I'll try it again soon.
>  >
>  >Mickey Morgan
>  >TEC#2115
>
>  Did you get a chance to get to Happy Hollow, not to many traffic jammed
>  miles away? You can get to the Gift Shop (by asking at the front entrance)

>  without buying a ticket? Aahz, right... no ticket?
>  bc

Happy Hollow? I'm not familiar with it. What is it?




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) My 2 Cents - Join TEC
Date: 03 Aug 1997 12:14:27 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 8/2/97 11:05:03 AM , Bert wrote:

> I have collected other things... but all took up loads of space! I hear
>  you on the cost factor to. And my pennies never need a tune up, they use
>  no consumable supplies (well a little ketchup now and then, but's it free
>  from Burger-Dootle) and there are SOOOOO many designs. I carry one with
>  me, so I can show it to people and get them hooked! It works...

     I myself carry a couple of coppers in my wallet...just in case.
My, how far I've come from my High School days. Rubbers to coppers. Now
getting lucky is defined by finding a previously unknown penny machine!

     Joining TEC, if for no other reason is worth is because the secretary
sends you quite a few coins, a postcard of the Smashed Penny Museum and a
nice letter. It's as though he knew me, because I got two Republican National
Convention coins from the conventions I didn't get to attend.

BTW, I'm sailing to San Francisco later this month. Coins from Fisherman's
Wharf and Pier 39 will be available, just E-Mail me.

Mickey Morgan
TEC Cyberling #2115
[e-mail]



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Santa Cruz this weekend, wanna trade?
Date: 03 Aug 1997 10:02:43 -0700

On 8/3/97 8:34 AM [e-mail] ([e-mail] ) wrote

>
>Happy Hollow? I'm not familiar with it. What is it?

It is a small Zoo with a Park Railway next door. Just a few minutes from
Downtown SJ!

bc



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Organizing Collections?
Date: 03 Aug 1997 11:15:49 -0700 (PDT)

On Sun, 3 Aug 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> those using 2x2's (2" by 2" holders in plastic sheets). Any tips on where
> to get supplies (TEC has 2x2 elongated versions), plastic pages (coin vs
> 35mm slide pages), etc.

    I purchase elongate 2x2s from TEC (1000/$32ppd).  Not only are
these far better for displaying elongates then standard coin 2x2s but the
price is comparable as well.  For large elongates (quarters, halves, Susn
Bs) I use either dollar coin 2x2s or 2x2s with a full square open.  TEC
sells 2x2s in smaller lots as well.
    I also purchase most of my plastic sheets from TEC at
100/$38ppd.  This is less expensive then I've been able to get heets at
coin shops or mail order elswhere.  Also less expensive then slide holders.


> How are you all organizing your coins? By state, city, loction?

    I have two binders of elongates:

    1) Souvenir elongates - Divided by state, within each state
grouped by location.

    2) Other elongates - Divided by category (LPs, Special coins,
TEC Coins, Coin Clubs, Coin Shows [divided further into pre80s, 80s, and
90s], Halloween, Store Cards-Coins, Store Cards-General, and Miscellany
which contains coins ourside my focus categories but are still too cool
to trade).  Whithin each category they're organized by date is applicable
or just the order I received them.

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Organizing Collections?
Date: 03 Aug 1997 11:25:45 -0700 (PDT)


On Sun, 3 Aug 1997, Matthew Birchard wrote:

> I use the TEc 2x2's with the standard plastic pages.  The problem that I
> encounter however is that many times I must cut some excess cardbaord
> from the 2x2 (which isn't exactly 2x2) to make it fit in the plastic
> page.  Then, once I get it in (sometimes I break the plastic, *%@!) I
> don't want to remove it or try and push another into that streched slot.

    I've never heard of anyone needing to do this.  Maybe you got a
bad batch of 2x2s.  Does this occur primarily with highly curved
elongates?

> Disney on another, etc.  Also, once I fill a page with say, Disney coins,
> If I get more Disney coins, I don't want to shift everything around just
> to insert a few coins into order.  Thus I have a bunch of misc. pages in
> the backs of my binders.

    This is the great dilemmna!  I find myself shifting all of my
coins around about every six weeks.  With new coins coming in almost
daily, my misc. temp. pages get full pretty quick.


>     On my older issues, and the special ones, like my Newsletter
> award coins, I keep them in a type case mounted on the wall.  My father
<snip>
> printing.  This style case has 98 2x2 sections, just perfect for
> elongates in holders.  I have one case, half filled mounted on my wall.

    This is a great idea!  I'll have to keep my eye out at flea
markets/yard sales for one of these.

> But on some designs the zinc is really cool.  I've got a covered bridge

    I've got to admit that I heartily agree with this.  On some coins
the zinc looks really nice.  The problem is that you never know which
ones until they're rolled and even then I have found the zinc to give
inconsistent results.

        Peace,

            Aahz


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Happy Hollow
Date: 03 Aug 1997 11:33:14 -0700 (PDT)


On Sun, 3 Aug 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> Happy Hollow? I'm not familiar with it. What is it?

    Happy Hollow Petting Zoo is part of the Kelley Park complex at
the corner of Keyes & Senter just south of downtown SJ.  If you need
directions, send private mail.  It's great petting zoo and very popular
with elementary school age kids for field trips, birthday parties, etc.
Also in Kelley Park is the San Jose Historical Museum complex which is
both fun and educational and the Japanese Gardens.

    Although you can get to the penny machine without buying a ticket
they do charge parking ($3) on weekends, so either go on a weekday or
park around the block if you're going JUST for the pennies.

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Re: Full AOL? (fwd)
Date: 03 Aug 1997 11:35:13 -0700 (PDT)

    I received the following message on my list-admin mailing list
and thought AOL members should read it.  You may well be missing chunks
of messages from the list.  I recommend taking the measures suggested below.

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


---------- Forwarded message ----------

We have found AOL to block email address on a whim.
Most often we find they block reflected and not digest.
We also have found that AOL returns these
often 3 or 4 weeks later.  Because this dumps more than
300 messages to us in less than an hour we no longer
accept AOL on reflected.  Most AOLers also have
no idea their ISP does this.  We recommend they
find another ISP totally and to be on our list they at least
need a Juno, Hotmail, Earthlink or other free email account.

 This has helped us greatly.  FWIW only one AOLer complained
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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Proposed Quarter Commems
Date: 03 Aug 1997 11:59:57 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings & Salutations!

    The U.S. Congress and Treasury Department are currently trying to
decide wether or not to begin a new curculating commemorative program
with US quarters.  The idea is that each of the fifty dtates would be
honored on the reverse of Washington Quarters.  What does this have to do
with elongates?  Well, quarter rolling machines are becoming far more
common.  Wouldn't it be great to have a San Francisco Cable Car Quarter
with a California commemoratie reverse?  Disney World elongated quarters
witha Florida reverse?  How 'bout TEC convention badges rolled on the
appropriate state's coin?  These would be great!

    There is still some doubt as to wether or not this program will
occur.  I strongly encourage each of you to write/FAX/phone/e-mail your
Senators and Crongressmen and encourage them to push this program thru.
If you want more info on the program you should check out the following
two web sites:

    http://www-cs-students.Stanford.edu/~erikr/50states.html

    http://www2.cy-net.net/~petec/newcoins.html

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Organizing Collections? (fwd)
Date: 03 Aug 1997 14:01:32 -0700 (PDT)

---------- Forwarded message ----------



On Sun, 3 Aug 1997, Chris Aahz wrote:

>
> On Sun, 3 Aug 1997, Matthew Birchard wrote:
>
> > I use the TEc 2x2's with the standard plastic pages.  The problem that I
> > encounter however is that many times I must cut some excess cardbaord
> > from the 2x2 (which isn't exactly 2x2) to make it fit in the plastic
> > page.  Then, once I get it in (sometimes I break the plastic, *%@!) I
> > don't want to remove it or try and push another into that streched slot.
>
>     I've never heard of anyone needing to do this.  Maybe you got a
> bad batch of 2x2s.  Does this occur primarily with highly curved
> elongates?

Sometimes it is the highly curved coins, but more often than not it is
simply the fact that the 2x2's are not square.  Sometimes one half is
longer than the other.  I guess I did get a bad batch, or perhaps
incompatible 2x2's and plastic pages.
>
> >     On my older issues, and the special ones, like my Newsletter
> > award coins, I keep them in a type case mounted on the wall.  My father
> <snip>
> > printing.  This style case has 98 2x2 sections, just perfect for
> > elongates in holders.  I have one case, half filled mounted on my wall.
>
>     This is a great idea!  I'll have to keep my eye out at flea
> markets/yard sales for one of these.

So, you are a regular at fleas and yard sales.  Neat.  I too frequent
them, but for my other collection, not my elongates.  I collect classic
videogames avidly and in addition to hitting fleas and yard sales, I go
to a set group of thrift stores about 3 times a week (takes 2 hours, 20
miles).  Anyway, back to elongates and the type cases.  I highly doubt
that you'll ever be able to find one, short of going to an antiques store
or a printer.  Either way you'll probably have to pay handsomely for it.
Collectors of thimbals and other tiny knick-knacks have already found
that a type case hung on the wall makes a wonderful display.  The most
common stlye available is referred to as the California Type case.  It
has three main sections which are divided into many smaller, variously
sized sections.  The style that I have I've never seen available
anywhere, while I have seen the California Type in several shops and
peoples' homes.

>
> > But on some designs the zinc is really cool.  I've got a covered bridge
>
>     I've got to admit that I heartily agree with this.  On some coins
> the zinc looks really nice.  The problem is that you never know which
> ones until they're rolled and even then I have found the zinc to give
> inconsistent results.
>
Very true.

Matt Birchard
TEC #1848




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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Proposed Quarter Commems
Date: 03 Aug 1997 15:23:31 -0700

Sounds like something TEC should be heard on!

bc

On 8/3/97 11:59 AM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>Greetings & Salutations!
>
>    The U.S. Congress and Treasury Department are currently trying to
>decide wether or not to begin a new curculating commemorative program
>with US quarters.  The idea is that each of the fifty dtates would be
>honored on the reverse of Washington Quarters.  What does this have to do
>with elongates?  Well, quarter rolling machines are becoming far more
>common.  Wouldn't it be great to have a San Francisco Cable Car Quarter
>with a California commemoratie reverse?  Disney World elongated quarters
>witha Florida reverse?  How 'bout TEC convention badges rolled on the
>appropriate state's coin?  These would be great!
>
>    There is still some doubt as to wether or not this program will
>occur.  I strongly encourage each of you to write/FAX/phone/e-mail your
>Senators and Crongressmen and encourage them to push this program thru.
>If you want more info on the program you should check out the following
>two web sites:
>
>    http://www-cs-students.Stanford.edu/~erikr/50states.html
>
>    http://www2.cy-net.net/~petec/newcoins.html



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Organizing Collections? (fwd)
Date: 03 Aug 1997 15:30:45 -0700

On 8/3/97 2:01 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>>
>>     This is a great idea!  I'll have to keep my eye out at flea
>> markets/yard sales for one of these.
>
>So, you are a regular at fleas and yard sales.  Neat.  I too frequent
>them, but for my other collection, not my elongates.  I collect classic
>videogames avidly and in addition to hitting fleas and yard sales, I go
>to a set group of thrift stores about 3 times a week (takes 2 hours, 20
>miles).  Anyway, back to elongates and the type cases.  I highly doubt
>that you'll ever be able to find one, short of going to an antiques store
>or a printer.  Either way you'll probably have to pay handsomely for it.
>Collectors of thimbals and other tiny knick-knacks have already found
>that a type case hung on the wall makes a wonderful display.  The most
>common stlye available is referred to as the California Type case.  It
>has three main sections which are divided into many smaller, variously
>sized sections.  The style that I have I've never seen available
>anywhere, while I have seen the California Type in several shops and
>peoples' homes.

OK, Aahz, when are we starting a flee market email list? My wife and I
drove by one yesterday and said "Gee, wish we had allowed time to stop
there!"

My parents own an antique shop (where I got my 1st elongates) and they
get the type drawers from time to time. I will post the info next time
they get them...

Bert



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From: "zinful" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) mission location?
Date: 03 Aug 1997 18:36:20 -0000

Hello all,
I was just wondering if anyone has any info on the San Juan Capistrano
Mission penny machine location.  I think I remember Bert mentioning
something about it.  I went a few weeks ago and could not find the machine
anywhere. And I searched high and low.
Thanks, have a great evening, and take care my friends. Gina



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From: "zinful" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) locations
Date: 03 Aug 1997 18:43:00 -0000

Hello all,
Didn't mean to post the message for Janelle to the mailing list, sorry
don't know how that happened.

Anyways, I discovered that at Knotts Berry Farm there is a machine in a
candy store (the free part that is located just outside the entrance). It
is a 3 in 1 machine.

Knotts Berry Farm
Knotts Scary Farm
Knotts Merry Farm

Anyone interested?

Gina
TEC #2109   [e-mail]




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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) mission location?
Date: 03 Aug 1997 20:09:22 -0700

Hey Gina,

Good evening. I stopped there a few months back and asked the person at
the front desk. She knew nothing about it. I have seen reports of this
machine... I wonder if it was removed for some reason. If we knew the
owner of the machine (Eurolink, or someone else) we could confirm the
removal...

bc

On 8/3/97 11:36 AM zinful ([e-mail] ) wrote

>Hello all,
>I was just wondering if anyone has any info on the San Juan Capistrano
>Mission penny machine location.  I think I remember Bert mentioning
>something about it.  I went a few weeks ago and could not find the machine
>anywhere. And I searched high and low.
>Thanks, have a great evening, and take care my friends. Gina



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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Hmmm...possible election inside scoop
Date: 04 Aug 1997 08:38:55 -0400

I got a letter from Willy signed:

>Date: Sun, 03 Aug 1997 00:15:25 -0700
>From: "William C. Massey" <[e-mail]>
>Reply-To: [e-mail]
>Organization: Luck "E" Penny
>To: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: I didn't receive my issue
>References: <[e-mail]>
[snip]
>--
>Elongatedly Yours,
>
>    William C. Massey
>      TEC PRESIDENT
>
>

So, what are the other results????

- Jeff :)

 -----------------------------------------------------------------
Jeff Dixon                [e-mail]
Software Engineer
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence      http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154




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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) The big WDW penny bash...uh smash
Date: 04 Aug 1997 08:45:27 -0400


Ok y'all (sorry my Maine upbringing snuck in there),

I've received two checks to date.  I'm still waiting on some more.  Please
let me know when you send our your check.

Also, I'd prefer you to make it out to Big Al (Alan Ramsay) instead of me.
If you owe me money for pennies - just send
me a check for 2.01 -- that shouldn't break the piggy bank!  *grin*

Anyways, off to get some work done.  I'm pleased with the traffic from the
weekend.

Lots of great comments about organization.  I hope to build a display case
someday.  My collection currents rests within a
binder of slide pages.  I need to get a bunch of 2x2s so they don't fall
out.  It's quite a pain to put your collection back
together after you pick it up the wrong way.  *oops*

See ya,

- Jeff

P.S.  For all the people that I owe pennies to - you should have some in
the next couple of days.  My trading stock has been
refilled. *finally*




 -----------------------------------------------------------------
Jeff Dixon                [e-mail]
Software Engineer
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence      http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) mission location?
Date: 04 Aug 1997 11:19:41 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-08-03 23:22:26 EDT, you write:

> Hello all,
>  I was just wondering if anyone has any info on the San Juan Capistrano
>  Mission penny machine location.  I think I remember Bert mentioning
>  something about it.  I went a few weeks ago and could not find the machine
>  anywhere. And I searched high and low.
>  Thanks, have a great evening, and take care my friends. Gina
>

Hi Gina!

I live locally and can remember (I think) seeing a machine some time ago,
before I was collecting.  But, I don't remember seeing one in the past few
years.  There could be one on the street out front maybe at one of the
antique stores.  I'll put this one on my to do list and report back.

-Bob Hoff
TEC# 2033



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From: Bob Fritsch <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) The big WDW penny bash...uh smash
Date: 04 Aug 1997 12:14:55 -0400

Jeff Dixon wrote:
>
> binder of slide pages.  I need to get a bunch of 2x2s so they don't fall
> out.  It's quite a pain to put your collection back
> together after you pick it up the wrong way.  *oops*

Jeff,

TEC offers elongated 2x2s via _TEC News_ for $3.00 per hundred
postpaid.  Don't know if Ray Dillard will bring any to the NENA show
22-23 August but wouldn't be surprised if he did.

Consider working in the TEC booth for a while at NENA.  Ray is always
appreciative of the help and it's great fun smashing pennies by
manually.

For all:  ANA show report (with emphasis on elongateds) is forthcoming.
Have to get my notes in order.

Regards,

Bob Fritsch
TEC #1871
[e-mail]



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: Online support in TEC News (fwd)
Date: 04 Aug 1997 14:18:46 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-08-02 07:35:26 EDT, you write:

<< I doubt that. In my office at least, you should see all the hard copies
 that my printer churns out so that I can keep track of with whom I am
 trading. :)
      Besides, NO trees are cut down to make paper, they are cut down for
 lumber, paper is made from the recovered waste products of lumber
 manufacturing.
  >>
It is not the web's fault that you think it is necessary to have hard coppies
of letters. That is your personal practice that others may not do. ( I always
try to print on both sides of a page of paper inorder to save it) And you are
right about the lumber... As far as I know the web doesn't contribute to
cuting down trees.
Liz



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) In case you didn't hear the news (fwd)
Date: 04 Aug 1997 15:00:16 -0700 (PDT)

---------- Forwarded message ----------

The following is from USA Today and the Associated Press:

08/01/97 - 12:49 PM ET

"WASHINGTON - Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin bowed Friday to a congressional
campaign for new designs on the reverse side of the quarter, clearing a big
obstacle to the first change in the nation's coinage in 18 years. "

Rubin has asked Congress to make the final decision.   Rep. Michael Castle,
R-Del., chairman of the House Banking monetary subcommittee, is preparing
the needed legislation.

Under Castle's proposal, starting in 1999, five new designs for the quarter's
reverse side honoring the 50 states would be issued each year for 10 years.

 Thanks,
   Pete CM #74
   CoinMasters Mail List Moderator

 P.S. Are you tired of current U.S. coinage? Check out
 http://www2.cy-net.net/~petec/newcoins.html and make a difference!!!







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From: "William C. Massey" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) UNofficial TEC NEWS UPDATE
Date: 05 Aug 1997 06:41:05 -0700

Attention TEC members who have not received the latest TEC NEWS:

If you still don't have it in a week, Please email me directly.  I
should have about 20 issues in hand by that time.  As you can imagine,
TEC is going through a bit of a transition at this time. Please know
that things will be running smoothly again, and very soon... Perhaps not
soon enough, but it won't be long.

This has been an UNofficial TEC release by:

    William C. Massey
        TEC #1857
  (Just to keep you in-the-know)

PS:
I will be unable to reply to any email until as late as Friday.
I appreciate your patience.



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From: Pete Morelewicz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) ANA Mint Mile coins
Date: 05 Aug 1997 14:36:00 PDT

I know a few people expressed interest in trading for the Mint Mile foreign
coins issued at the ANA. I did aquire the coins, but the TEC booth was
closed, so I was unable to squish them with the official TEC/ANA design. At
some point, I will squish them with the "official (though yet to be made)"
SPM design. Then they'll be trade-ready. Sorry to disappoint anyone whose
hopes may have been raised.

Also, if anyone on the list was at the SPM reception on Friday night, thanks
for coming. Though there were only about 25-30 people there, I may not have
had a chance to talk with you.

Pete



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From: russ r <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) members list
Date: 05 Aug 1997 18:48:40 -0700

please send the elongated coins members list.  thanks



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) members list
Date: 05 Aug 1997 20:12:40 -0700 (PDT)


On Tue, 5 Aug 1997, russ r wrote:

> please send the elongated coins members list.  thanks
>
>

    This person is not a subscriber to the list, so I can only assume
that he wants the members list for untoward purposes.  I recommend not
providing him with this information.  I have sent him a message asking
why he wants the list and should it be a legitimate reason, then I will
withdraw my objection.

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) My 2 Cents - Join TEC
Date: 05 Aug 1997 23:43:27 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-08-03 12:16:05 EDT, you write:

<<
      I myself carry a couple of coppers in my wallet...just in case.
 My, how far I've come from my High School days. Rubbers to coppers. Now
 getting lucky is defined by finding a previously unknown penny machine!
  >>

Is this what I have to look forward to in my old age???
Liz



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: Full AOL? (fwd)
Date: 05 Aug 1997 23:43:40 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-08-03 14:40:16 EDT, you write:

<<
 We have found AOL to block email address on a whim.
 Most often we find they block reflected and not digest.
 We also have found that AOL returns these
 often 3 or 4 weeks later.  Because this dumps more than
 300 messages to us in less than an hour we no longer
 accept AOL on reflected.  Most AOLers also have
 no idea their ISP does this.  We recommend they
 find another ISP totally and to be on our list they at least
 need a Juno, Hotmail, Earthlink or other free email account.
  >
What do you mean by "block reflected and not digest."?
Are they going to kick me off the list???
Liz



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From: Bob Fritsch <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Report on ANA NY
Date: 06 Aug 1997 06:09:35 -0400

REPORT ON ANA NY '97
by Robert F. Fritsch
    One of the truths of any ANA Convention is that it is too large for one person
to totally experience.  The best that anybody can hope for is to plan their visit
carefully and stick to the schedule.  That said, I did exactly that, and almost
succeeded.  I did not go to ANA New York to buy coins, but went to meet people,
attend meetings, do some work, and to generally immerse myself in numismatics for
six glorious days.
    I allotted an extra day before the start of the convention for volunteer labor,
and spent Tuesday greeting incoming dealers down in front of the hotel and sending
them and their wares directly to the security room under escort.  I got a good
appreciation of New York during this duty, and was favorably impressed.  Like
Detroit in '94, New York in '97 got a bum rap with the unfavorable publicity.  In all
my wanderings around the area (a small chunk around Times Square), I never felt
unsafe, and enjoyed everything I saw.  Had dinner with a friend from Maine and we
talked coins the entire evening even though we had no common ground in our
collections.
    Opening day saw me setting my exhibit, attending the TAMS (Token and
Medal Society) Board Meeting as an interested member, working the TEC (The
Elongated Collectors) and DWMC (Dedicated Wooden Money Collectors) booths
which were adjacent and could be covered by one person, partially filling my World
Mint Passport, getting my exhibit judging package, introducing a Numismatic
Theatre presentation, and participating in the World Series of Numismatics.  John
Burns of Pittsburgh and I came in second, guaranteeing our place in Friday's finals.
    Thursday started with judging my assigned category, then missing a meeting
because I did not put it on my schedule properly.  Attended the meeting of the ANA
Education Committee with James Taylor and learned about the new Numismatic
Curriculum that ANA is launching, plus the associated National Coin Week theme of
"Numismatics:  The Key to Knowledge."  The TAMS Membership meeting was next,
followed by a Numismatic Theatre presentation on medals by Virginia Janssen.  My
own NT presentation on running coin clubs was next, with co-presenter ANA
Governor Gary Lewis.  We used a forum style presentation and got good participation
from the audience.  Rushed to the Life Member reception, then to the World Series to
check the competition for the next match.  The TAMS Banquet was held at Sardi's,
and I was nearly late for the first course because the World Series had run over its
allotted time.  The NLG (Numismatic Literary Guild) Bash was immediately
afterwards, but it was pretty mild according to those who know.  Went out for ice
cream with JT Stanton and James Taylor after the Bash closed, and was surprised at
the amount of people in Times Square at midnight.  The place was packed, and no
trouble in sight.
    Friday opened with the TEC Board meeting, followed immediately by the
TEC General Membership meeting.  On to the Board meeting of the IWOMC
(International Order of Wooden Money Collectors).  Decided to view a bit of New
York and strolled up to the Carnegie Deli where I had one of their foot-high
sandwiches ($18!).  Advised a Young Numismatist on his exhibit and how to improve
it, then went back to my hotel for a much-needed nap.  Up in time to wake fully
before the World Series Finals.  Our team came in third, with the Anthony Swiatek /
David Alexander team crushing the competition.  Supper with my partner John Burns
had conversation about (what else) coins.
    Saturday was the easy (?) day.  IOWMC held its General Membership meeting
which lasted a long time as usual.  Missed two other functions but the trade-off was
worth it.  The rest of the day was spent in the TEC booth, squashing pennies in
rotation with Ray Dillard.  It seemed that the crowds came whenever I was on the
machine and went away when Ray was there (not really).  We were both extremely
busy as the pre-made coins had all been given out, so we had to do them on the spot.
Don't know how many we did, bit I estimate about a thousand between us, each one
done by hand.  I found out that I had won an award for my exhibit, so went up and
claimed third place for my class.  We closed the booth at 4PM to attend the
Exhibitor/Judge Reception.  Back to the hotel to rest then to the ANA Banquet.  Food
was passable and the presentations fairly short.  Sat next to Mrs. John Jay Pittman, a
charming lady.
    Sunday was quick:  picked up the exhibit then caught the first plane back
home.  So ended a great convention.  I'm already looking forward to Portland, Oregon
next year!






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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) members list
Date: 06 Aug 1997 08:26:07 -0400

I don't want someone to have my e-mail for spamming purposes.  I have
enough of that already.

- Jeff

At 06:48 PM 8/5/97 -0700, you wrote:
>please send the elongated coins members list.  thanks
>
>
 -----------------------------------------------------------------
Jeff Dixon                [e-mail]
Software Engineer
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence      http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154




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From: "Martin Berkman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) RE: Report on ANA NY
Date: 06 Aug 1997 14:29:34 UT

    I was also at the ANA and enjoyed myself more than at any other numismatic
gathering. Yes, I have been to shows with many more dealers than at the ANA
show, but the quality of the people there certainly was above almost all
others. I was not able to attend any club meetings, unfortunately, but was
able to attend some other functions. The Heritage auction was quite
interesting, being my first "serious" auction which I had been able to go to.
I regestered for bidding, but in the sessions which I sat in for, nearly every
coin surfaced above $1,000.
    Probably the most interesting even of them all was just walking around the
bourse floor, just talking with dealers and in some cases, inspecting their
six figure coins. Speaking of which, it was a real treat to see two 1804
Dollars, a 1913 Liberty Head Nickel, two Brasher Doubloons, an 1866 No Motto
Dollar and a complete set of Stellas. I have been doing a good bit of research
regarding these coins and this was very much of interest to me.
    I would say that the ANA could improve the not-so memorable registration. The
line at 9:55 AM on Wednesday was already beginning to block the majority of
the sixth floor in the Marriott and it was pure confusion. A few other people
joked that the registration officials were taking to much blood from the
attendees.
    Anyway, the week just went by so fast, but the day I left was the YN
breakfast and auction; certainly the icing on the cake for the week. I was
ablt to get a few coins from the auction but also I won a YN literary award at
that event as well. That really topped off the whole experience of going to
the convention!

Just waiting for Portland!

                                    Michael Berkman







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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) members list
Date: 06 Aug 1997 07:50:56 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings and Salutations!

    I have heard back from Russ and spam concerns are unnecessary.
In fact, he was looking for the TEC membership list in order to see that
he and his wife had been removed from it.  I assured him that I would not
post his info should I find it on the list when I receive it.

        Peace,

            Aahz


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) members list
Date: 06 Aug 1997 10:54:36 -0400

Cool.  I was just getting worried - since I already receive about 80
messages a day.

- Jeff
At 07:50 AM 8/6/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Greetings and Salutations!
>
>    I have heard back from Russ and spam concerns are unnecessary.
>In fact, he was looking for the TEC membership list in order to see that
>he and his wife had been removed from it.  I assured him that I would not
>post his info should I find it on the list when I receive it.
>
>        Peace,
>
>            Aahz
>
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
>The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
>List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
>Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
>"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
>
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Jeff Dixon                [e-mail]
Software Engineer
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence      http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154




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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: (elongates) members list
Date: 06 Aug 1997 09:57:20 -0700

Greetings All,

It is a simple matter (in fact a feature within majordomo) to get a full
list of all our emails. You can tell majordomo to hid your name. Peraps
it would be good to post how to do that. I need to run for now. Chris,
maybe there's a way for our names to be hidden from the "list" command by
default. This would be nice to have, and it would allow individuals to
decide to unblock their names. This is one area of majordomo I do not
know well enough, so the ISP may need to help out here.

Bert

>
>---------------- Begin Forwarded Message ----------------
>Date:        08/05  8:12 PM
>Received:    08/05  8:21 PM
>From:        Chris Aahz, [e-mail]
>Reply-To:    Mailing List Penny, [e-mail]
>To:          Mailing List Penny, [e-mail]
>
>
>On Tue, 5 Aug 1997, russ r wrote:
>
>> please send the elongated coins members list.  thanks
>>
>>
>
>    This person is not a subscriber to the list, so I can only assume
>that he wants the members list for untoward purposes.  I recommend not
>providing him with this information.  I have sent him a message asking
>why he wants the list and should it be a legitimate reason, then I will
>withdraw my objection.
>
>        Peace,
>
>            Aahz



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From: Bob Fritsch <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) members list
Date: 06 Aug 1997 21:17:55 -0400

Chris Aahz wrote:
>         This person is not a subscriber to the list, so I can only assume
> that he wants the members list for untoward purposes.  I recommend not
> providing him with this information.  I have sent him a message asking
> why he wants the list and should it be a legitimate reason, then I will
> withdraw my objection.

Please let us know the resolution to this.  Thanks.

Bob Fritsch
TEC #1871



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From: Matthew Birchard <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) German Import
Date: 07 Aug 1997 15:48:50 -0700 (PDT)

Hi all!
    My parents just returned from 3 weeks in Germany a few hours
ago.  They found one elongate for me.  It is a horizontal design rolled
on a brass coin (I think it is a 5 pfenning, have to check later for
sure).  Anyway, they got it in the north of Germany.  Here is the
description:

MS. WAPPEN VON HAMBURG (at the top)

design of a cruise style ship and some interesting rock formations to the
right.

HELGOLAND - DIENST (at bottom)

Standard dot border.  No start slot, but there is a "heel" on one end
where the coin is grabbed by the die.  The coin is infact a bit egg
shaped and not perfectly eliptical.  The design actually compensates for
this slight shape variance.  Fairly well detailed design, yet it is not
very "high relief".  The coin is very similar to my other German
elongates that I got when I visited the country two years ago.  You can
read all about them in a back issue of TEC News in my article entitled:
"German Elongates".  Perhaps if enough people were interested I could
transcribe that article to the list.
    WHOA!  I just realized that I've had 4 articles published in TEC
News, but I swear I only have like 1 award coin, maybe 2.  I'm sure I
missed getting one along the line, though I received my due credit in the
newsletter.  I'm not really worried about it.
    Any European collectors on this list that could supply all us
North American folks with coins?  Oh, also, I don't speak nor read a word
of German, so I can only tell you that HELGOLAND is the island in the
North Sea that my parents visited.  The desing is horizontal oriented.
Anyone care to translate?

Matt Birchard
TEC #1848
Portland, Oregon
USA

e-mail:  [e-mail]








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From: Matthew Birchard <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) ANA/TEC in Portland
Date: 07 Aug 1997 15:52:38 -0700 (PDT)

    I just thought I'd ask here since someone can probably give me a
quick answer.  What are the exact dates of the ANA convention that will
be held in my hometown of Portland, Oregon next year?  I'm planning to
attend for sure, I'm just afraid that the convention may conflict with a
big regional car meet.  I own a 1959 Nash Metropolitan and my local
chapter of the national owner's club is hosting the Northwest meet next
year.  Anyway, anyone got those dates?  Thanks.

Matt Birchard
TEC #1848
Portland, Oregon
USA

e-mail:  [e-mail]



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From: Bob Fritsch <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) German Import
Date: 07 Aug 1997 22:42:48 -0400

Matthew Birchard wrote:

> MS. WAPPEN VON HAMBURG (at the top)
>
> design of a cruise style ship and some interesting rock formations to the
> right.
>
> HELGOLAND - DIENST (at bottom)

Translation (loosely):  MS = Motor Ship (Schiffe) "Wappen" from Hamburg
in the Helgoland Service (Dienst).  The rock formations are part of the
island of Helgoland, which is popular because it is a big Duty-Free shop
for British goods.

> Standard dot border.  No start slot, but there is a "heel" on one end
> where the coin is grabbed by the die.  The coin is infact a bit egg
> shaped and not perfectly eliptical.

This is probably because the 5-pfg is a small fat coin.  The rollers
must be further apart to take its thickness, so there isn't a lot of
pressure to completely elongate it.

ANA Portland is 5-9 Aug 98, according to the current (Aug 97)
_Numismatist_.

Regards,

Bob Fritsch
mailto:[e-mail]




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) How Elongate dies are made?
Date: 08 Aug 1997 11:08:24 -0400 (EDT)

Hi All;

How are the dies made???  Are they drawn and reduced? Acid etched? Inquiring
minds need to know! :-)  How do they make them so durable?

Thanks and Happ Collecting

-Bob Hoff
TEC # 2033
and
Anastasia
TEC # 2121J





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From: Ken Slavens <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) German Import
Date: 08 Aug 1997 09:44:18 -0700 (PDT)

At 03:48 PM 8/7/97 -0700, you wrote:

Matt,

You might try http://www.itools.com/ and use their research capability.
They have a translation feature that will translate foreign words to english.

Ken Slavens
TEC# 2116
Seattle, WA







>Hi all!
>    My parents just returned from 3 weeks in Germany a few hours
>ago.  They found one elongate for me.  It is a horizontal design rolled
>on a brass coin (I think it is a 5 pfenning, have to check later for
>sure).  Anyway, they got it in the north of Germany.  Here is the
>description:
>
>MS. WAPPEN VON HAMBURG (at the top)
>
>design of a cruise style ship and some interesting rock formations to the
>right.
>
>HELGOLAND - DIENST (at bottom)
>
>Standard dot border.  No start slot, but there is a "heel" on one end
>where the coin is grabbed by the die.  The coin is infact a bit egg
>shaped and not perfectly eliptical.  The design actually compensates for
>this slight shape variance.  Fairly well detailed design, yet it is not
>very "high relief".  The coin is very similar to my other German
>elongates that I got when I visited the country two years ago.  You can
>read all about them in a back issue of TEC News in my article entitled:
>"German Elongates".  Perhaps if enough people were interested I could
>transcribe that article to the list.
>    WHOA!  I just realized that I've had 4 articles published in TEC
>News, but I swear I only have like 1 award coin, maybe 2.  I'm sure I
>missed getting one along the line, though I received my due credit in the
>newsletter.  I'm not really worried about it.
>    Any European collectors on this list that could supply all us
>North American folks with coins?  Oh, also, I don't speak nor read a word
>of German, so I can only tell you that HELGOLAND is the island in the
>North Sea that my parents visited.  The desing is horizontal oriented.
>Anyone care to translate?
>
>Matt Birchard
>TEC #1848
>Portland, Oregon
>USA
>
>e-mail:  [e-mail]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Ken Slavens
[e-mail]




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From: tony dinto <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) How elongates dies
Date: 08 Aug 1997 17:10:55 +0000

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> Hi All;
>
> How are the dies made???  Are they drawn and reduced? Acid etched? Inquiring
> minds need to know! :-)  How do they make them so durable?
>
> Thanks and Happ Collecting
>
> -Bob Hoff
> TEC # 2033
> and
> Anastasia
> TEC # 2121J
You could make a set of dies by engraving a mirror image into "tool
steel". This type of steel is hard, but can be cut with the proper
tools, i.e Carbide, or diamond. The plant where I work makes dies
to cut saw blades along these lines, but they use punch presses,
that load automaticaly.
 The pennies you get are made on rolling mills. You can buy them for
less than $1,000, but then you need to make the dies.
Tony



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) How elongates dies
Date: 08 Aug 1997 14:37:32 -0700

On 8/8/97 10:10 AM tony dinto ([e-mail] ) wrote

> The pennies you get are made on rolling mills. You can buy them for
>less than $1,000, but then you need to make the dies.
>Tony

Hi Tony,

Less a $1000! This is NEWS! Where do we find them for this price? Many of
use have looked at hand built machines in the $2000 and up (mostly up)
range. Where do we look for the machines you mention, what are they
called, how do we buy the steel for the dies?

Thanks for any further info!

Bert Creighton



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From: tony dinto <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Rolling mill
Date: 08 Aug 1997 17:42:37 +0000

To all,
 The first company I would try is Rio Grande of Albuquerque.
Same town forgot the whole address.
P.H.Gesswein
255 Hancock Ave
Bridgeport Ct. 06805
The catalogs are about $10.00, ask them for the Jewelry one.
The steel: Local machine shop, But do not let them soak you.
Tony



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From: tony dinto <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Rolling Mill
Date: 08 Aug 1997 17:54:54 +0000

Hi,
 Did not know that you were looking for the rolling mills.
Bad day to find it out.
Would someone please send a reminder to me Monday morning,
The company I work for deals with a lot of Jewelry supply houses,
and I can find out a few things.
  They may have to be worked on to get them to work for that purpose,
but I do not think it would be that hard.
Getting someone to make the dies seems to me to be the biggest
problem.
Tony



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) German Import
Date: 08 Aug 1997 23:51:44 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-08-07 20:54:29 EDT, you write:

<<
 MS. WAPPEN VON HAMBURG (at the top)

 design of a cruise style ship and some interesting rock formations to the
 right.

 HELGOLAND - DIENST (at bottom)
  >>

"Wappen" is a coat of arms....presumably from the town of Hamburg...
"Dienst" refers to "service",  it could be a military reference..

I don't speak German, I only took 2 years of it and forgot it all... but
lucky enough I had this dictionary!  I hope this helps!
Liz




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From: ... <...>
Subject: (elongates) I might be fading away....again!
Date: 09 Aug 1997 08:57:34 -0500

Well, guys! I guess things on the Penny Page are all messed up again! =
Something has happened with my service provider and they've got it all =
screwed up. I'm not even sure if you are getting this e-mail or if I'm =
getting all the club's emails. It seems like the emails have slowed =
down, too.
In order to get to the Penny Page you'll have to use this address for =
now:
www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/index.htm
Thanks!
Kathy





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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Knotts Berry Farm (was: locations)
Date: 09 Aug 1997 13:43:25 -0700 (PDT)


On Sun, 3 Aug 1997, zinful wrote:

> Anyways, I discovered that at Knotts Berry Farm there is a machine in a
> candy store (the free part that is located just outside the entrance). It
> is a 3 in 1 machine.
>
> Anyone interested?
>
    I'm definetly interested.  Actually, since I'm planning on
spending the entire weekend in LA fro the DL meet on the 7th, I may just
cruise by KBS for a short while on Saturday and do some penny shopping.
Anyone know how much admission is?  How late they're open?  Anyone wanna
go Saturday evening?

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: (elongates) members list
Date: 09 Aug 1997 14:00:42 -0700 (PDT)



On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> It is a simple matter (in fact a feature within majordomo) to get a full
> list of all our emails. You can tell majordomo to hid your name. Peraps

    Actually, I know of no way to hide individual names within the
s*bscriber list.  Currently this list is only available to members of the
list.  I have the option of setting it up so that the entire list is
available to anyone (open), s*bscribers only (list), or no one (closed).
If anyone would prefer that I switch this from 'list' to 'closed', then
let me know and if enough people care then I will do so.

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~




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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) members list
Date: 09 Aug 1997 14:03:58 -0700 (PDT)


On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, Bob Fritsch wrote:

> Please let us know the resolution to this.  Thanks.

    Russ was not looking for a the e-mail addresses of list members,
but rather for the TEC membership list.  His concern was that his name
would be distributed against his will.  Especially since (for reasons
unknown) he has decided not to continue as a TEC member. I have assured him
this will not be the case.

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) German Import
Date: 09 Aug 1997 14:16:10 -0700 (PDT)


On Thu, 7 Aug 1997, Matthew Birchard wrote:

> Hi all!
>     My parents just returned from 3 weeks in Germany a few hours
> ago.  They found one elongate for me.  It is a horizontal design rolled

    I wish my folks could find machines overseas.  They manage to
locate them when they travel within the US, but whenever they go to
Europe they never seem to find any even if I tell them where to look 8-(

> very "high relief".  The coin is very similar to my other German
> elongates that I got when I visited the country two years ago.  You can
> read all about them in a back issue of TEC News in my article entitled:
> "German Elongates".  Perhaps if enough people were interested I could
> transcribe that article to the list.

    I, for one, would love to see this article.  I have, thus far,
been unable to find a way to get back issues of TECN.

>     WHOA!  I just realized that I've had 4 articles published in TEC
> News, but I swear I only have like 1 award coin, maybe 2.  I'm sure I
> missed getting one along the line, though I received my due credit in the
> newsletter.  I'm not really worried about it.

    Someone (I forget who) told me recently that they also did not
receive their contributor coins from the previous TECN editor.  If he's
still active in the club, perhaps you could try to reach him and clea
this up.  More than likely it's a lost cause a this point especially with
Howard having to step down as Secretary.  I still don't know who the new
Secretary is, but odds are a fair amount of info will be 'lost' during
the changeover.

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Nash
Date: 09 Aug 1997 14:17:41 -0700 (PDT)


On Thu, 7 Aug 1997, Matthew Birchard wrote:

> big regional car meet.  I own a 1959 Nash Metropolitan and my local

Matt,

    Have you checked out Bill Kornoelje's web site?  I believe he has
a Nash elongate.

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) members list
Date: 09 Aug 1997 17:32:52 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-08-09 17:06:31 EDT, you write:

> On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, Bob Fritsch wrote:
>
>  > Please let us know the resolution to this.  Thanks.
>
>      Russ was not looking for a the e-mail addresses of list members,
>  but rather for the TEC membership list.  His concern was that his name
>  would be distributed against his will.  Especially since (for reasons
>  unknown) he has decided not to continue as a TEC member. I have assured
him
>  this will not be the case.
>

I feel I should post a possible reason why some people would rather not have
their names released.  I don't speak for any one person but just generally.

Many people that collect "coins" are affraid that someone will try to steal
the coins.  Theives may use a list of collectors as a way of finding out
where "collectors" live.  In most cases, collectors put coins of value in a
safe deposit box.  But, if a theif should drop in for a "visit" the theif may
not believe that the coins are off-sight.  Which avoids the problem of theft,
yet makes for another problem.

I don't think this would be a problem for most of us.  I would think that
most theives would not be interested in pennies, much less ones that are
smashed :-).  But, there maybe people that are worried about that possiblity.

I believe that permission should be asked before publishing a list of *home*
addresses.

My pressed cents worth :-),

-Bob Hoff
TEC #2033




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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Public/Private information (was members list)
Date: 09 Aug 1997 15:24:42 -0700 (PDT)


On Sat, 9 Aug 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> I feel I should post a possible reason why some people would rather not have
> their names released.  I don't speak for any one person but just generally.
<snip>
> I don't think this would be a problem for most of us.  I would think that
> most theives would not be interested in pennies, much less ones that are
> smashed :-).  But, there maybe people that are worried about that possiblity.

    Actually, Dottie Dow (TEC #1, author of the the first book on
elongates and co-author of the second, etc...) had her collection
stolen.  There was no indication, that I'm aware of, that she was
targeted as a coin collector, but rather was robbed and they took her
collection as well.  Thieves are unlikely to be aware of the purpose or
value of elongates, but the manner in which they are stored by collectors
would most likely lead the uninitiated to consider them valuable.
Especially if they are stored near other, traditional, coin collections.
    Personally, I have never worried about being robbed as I know
there is nothing I can do to prevent it.  If it should happen to me I
assure you I will be very upset, but these are just things and have no
true value to life itself.  They can all be replaced in some way.  But,
if it is a concern of yours, the odds of your elongates being stolen are
essentially the same as anything else you own.

> I believe that permission should be asked before publishing a list of *home*
> addresses.

    The information on the membership list that I intend to
distribute upon receipt is public knowledge.  At the moment it is
available for $3 from the TEC Secretary, I simply intend to make it
available for free.
    Bert and I recently had a discussion about this very topic.  My
feelings are simple:  If information is already available to the public
then there is no reason to post it to the internet.  Anything published
in a publication (such as TECN) is public information, including home
addresses and telephone numbers.  I have not and will not distributed
information that was given to me in private correspondence (snail or
electronic).  However, if the information is published on a web page,
mailing list, or paper publication, then it is available publicly.  The
information on how to receive the TEC Mmbership list was published in
TECN.  This newsletter is sent not only to members, but distributed by
request and at shows to anyone who asks.  Additionally, members have the
option of checking a box asking that their information not be made
available to others on their application.

    Your thoughts on this are both welcome and encouraged.

            Peace,

                Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Mail List Traffic
Date: 09 Aug 1997 15:29:38 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings & Salutations!

    Several people have asked me if there have been problems at
Xmission with the mailing list.  Traffic has decreased quite a bit in the
last week or two.  I beleve that the main reason for this reduced traffic
is the basic ebb and flow that naturally occur in any long term
'discussion'.  However, I have sent about a half dozen messages to the
list over the last two hours as I caught up with my e-mail for the week
and have only received one of those messages back from the list.  This
leads me to believe that there are, indeed, problems at XMission.  I'm
not sure what I can do about this, but have notified my service rep
there.  He has not been very prompt to respond in the past, but I will
let you all know should he do so.

    For the time being I would appreciate your help.  When you send a
message to the list, please send a cc: to me ([e-mail]).  This way
I can track what is actually going out on the list as opposed to what is
being submitted.

    Your help is appreciated and hopefully we can get this cleared up
as quickly as possible

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
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From: [e-mail]
Date: 09 Aug 1997 16:43:26 -0600



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Silver Dime elongates
Date: 09 Aug 1997 15:42:00 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings and Salutations!

    Recently came across some elongated silver dimes.  There are
seven of them avasilable for $5.95 each postpaid at:

     http://members.aol.com/cfowler429/index.htm

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Oldies at eBay (fwd)
Date: 09 Aug 1997 17:22:20 -0700 (PDT)

My apologies if you receive this twice, but I have not yet received it
back from the list, so am trying again.  If this IS the second time
you've received this, please let me know.

    Aahz

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Cc: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>

Greetings and Salutations!

    Ken Barr ([e-mail]) is offering three of "Yesterday's"
elongates on eBay.  Ken is a great guy who I have purchased many coins
from and have never had anything but satisfaction with.  The three
elongates he's offering are:

    item #dis350896 - CAL-l.a-2 1932 L.A. Olympics image of discus
thrower, "Xth Olympiad/19/32/Los Angeles"

    item #hcu78418 - SHIPS-6 image of ship, "Old Ironsides/Launched 1797"

    item #fih3606 - NYWF(2)-6 image of Ford Building, "New
York/World's Fair"  On 1940 Canadian Cent

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
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From: "..." <...>
Subject: (elongates) Trades
Date: 09 Aug 1997 21:35:50 -0500

I've been to the Fort Worth Zoo! I've got some coins to trade. Please let
me know if you are interested. For those who already have the Ft Worth Zoo
collection, there is a new design: Mearcat

By the way, The Penny Page has been fixed for now anyways. Just thought I'd
let everyone know.

Kathy



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) members list
Date: 09 Aug 1997 23:27:58 -0500

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> In a message dated 97-08-09 17:06:31 EDT, you write:
>
> > On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, Bob Fritsch wrote:
> >
> >  > Please let us know the resolution to this.  Thanks.
> >
> >       Russ was not looking for a the e-mail addresses of list members,
> >  but rather for the TEC membership list.  His concern was that his name
> >  would be distributed against his will.  Especially since (for reasons
> >  unknown) he has decided not to continue as a TEC member. I have assured
> him
> >  this will not be the case.
> >
>
> I feel I should post a possible reason why some people would rather not have
> their names released.  I don't speak for any one person but just generally.
>
> Many people that collect "coins" are affraid that someone will try to steal
> the coins.  Theives may use a list of collectors as a way of finding out
> where "collectors" live.  In most cases, collectors put coins of value in a
> safe deposit box.  But, if a theif should drop in for a "visit" the theif may
> not believe that the coins are off-sight.  Which avoids the problem of theft,
> yet makes for another problem.
>
> I don't think this would be a problem for most of us.  I would think that
> most theives would not be interested in pennies, much less ones that are
> smashed :-).  But, there maybe people that are worried about that possiblity.
>
> I believe that permission should be asked before publishing a list of *home*
> addresses.
>
> My pressed cents worth :-),
>
> -Bob Hoff
> TEC #2033

Hello all,
I think that Bob has done an excellent job of stating what I was
thinking.  Using a P.O. Box can add to ones peace of mind.  I have used
one for several years now, and it has been worth every penny :-)
Trey



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From: Bob Fritsch <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) NENA Show, 22-23 Aug
Date: 10 Aug 1997 06:07:59 -0400

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mailto:[e-mail]

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             THE NEW ENGLAND NUMISMATIC ASSOCIATION
                          presents its
                 53RD CONFERENCE AND CONVENTION
                               and
                         NEW ENGLAND '97
                 at the Royal Plaza Trade Center
                            Route 20
                   Marlborough, Massachusetts
               Friday, August 22, 1997, 10AM - 6PM
              Saturday, August 23, 1997, 9AM - 4PM

             Keynote Speaker:  Anthony Swiatek, ANA
 "Mr. Elongated", Ray Dillard, will be on hand to squash pennies
                    225 tables in the bourse
                      Competitive Exhibits
                        What-Is-It? Table
                           YN Program

      Special show rate of $79 at Best Western Royal Plaza
              508/460-0700 Monday - Friday daytime

Members are encouraged to enter an exhibit and to participate in
                      helping with the show


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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) My 2 Cents - Join TEC
Date: 10 Aug 1997 14:52:16 -0400

Chris Aahz wrote:
>
> On Sat, 2 Aug 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:
>
> > the growth. The hallmark of this list has been very active participation.
> > We need that same interactivity in TEC. TEC has a wealth of information
> > and a national (international?) membership. Now is the time to join and
> > take the organization to a new level!
>
>         Bert has hit the nail right on the head!  Interactivity is what
> I, for one, am trying to bring to TEC.  Even with an official web page,
> the wealth of knowledge that older and long-term members have will not
> make it online.  As someone pointed out, one meeting and four newsletters
> a year does not spread much information.  But considering the low
> attendence at that one meeting I highly doubt more could be supported.
> And the newsletter should be going bi-monthly.  This will certainly help
> spread more information.  But in order to do this we need participation.
> We can all sit around on the 'net 24/7 but this won't get us in contact
> with people like Dottie Dow (TEC #1).  Being active in TEC offline as
> well as on will do just that.
>
> > >Penny Pen Pals sounds fun.  There's something to be said for
> > >anticipation.  It's part of what makes a hobby like this enjoyable.
> > >
> >
> > I agree fully! Aahz, can we put something on the list that helps list
> > members start Penny Pen Pals with non list members! The power of this
> > list can join with the wealth of knowledge of long time TEC'ys. If we get
> > some great information in our Pen Pal letters, we could each post it to
> > the list for everyone here to share. It also becomes archived that way,
> > searchable by anyone that wants to look through it.
>
>         Hmmmm....Penny Pen Pals is Anita Zell's baby.  It's one of her
> large contributions to ECs.  I'm not going to be a part of taking it away
> from her.  Any TEC member can join PPP, just write Anita.  I believe
> there will be an article about it in the next TECN.
>
> > Corey may come to our Disneyland meeting. I hope he does. I want to brain
> > storm with him on how we can ensure the free pennies can be attached
> > securely, and how we can communicate with older (time in membership, not
> > age) members of TEC. I want to scope out a couple of articles that we all
> > can start writing for TEC news...
>
>         This is the key!  The 'net is all about communication.  So let's
> use this forum to communicate and come up with bigger and better ideas
> that can applied to our hobby.  If TEC is ever going to meet your needs,
> now is the time to join and help mold its future.
>
> > TEC application and send it in. Actually, hold it a few days until Willy
> > can tell us who to send it to...
>
>         I WANT ELECTION RESULTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> > We're talking about a $10.00 fee, and a couple of letters a year to be
> > active in an organization that IS growing, IS getting new net-savvy
> > members, and IS going to meet the needs and interests of many members. We
> > techy-TECs have a lot to offer... Let's get started!
>
>         In the immortal word of John Belushi:
>
>         "Leeeeeeeet's Doooooo Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiittt!!!!"
>

Did we give up when the Germans bomb Pearl Harbor?   NO!

(Hope ya'll saw this movie...)

Ben
>                         Peace,
>
>                                 Aahz
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>           Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
> The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
> List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
> Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
> "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) My 2 Cents - Join TEC
Date: 10 Aug 1997 18:17:57 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-08-10 15:02:37 EDT, you write:

> Did we give up when the Germans bomb Pearl Harbor?   NO!
>
>  (Hope ya'll saw this movie...)
>

Do you mean when the *Russians* bombed Pearl Harbor???  :-)

Still hangin' in there,

-Bob Hoff
TEC#2033



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From: "tink!!!" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Knotts Berry Farm (was: locations)
Date: 10 Aug 1997 15:41:37 -0700

>         I'm definetly interested.  Actually, since I'm planning on
> spending the entire weekend in LA fro the DL meet on the 7th, I may
> just cruise by KBS for a short while on Saturday and do some penny
> shopping.  Anyone know how much admission is?  How late they're
> open?  Anyone wanna go Saturday evening?

soundz cool to me!  i haven't been there in about 8 years...wonder what
it looks like now...

-nikki
--
"There's still a part of me that's
16 and I'm going to nuture it"-Keith Richards
http://www.concentric.net/~dvlgrl66/
dc.d f--- s+ h+ cbryteG^wP a $ (m) d++ fr+ L<1m bF e g i!



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From: Bob Fritsch <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) My 2 Cents - Join TEC
Date: 10 Aug 1997 22:57:01 -0400

Mary C. and Ben L. wrote:
>
> Chris Aahz wrote:

C'mon guys, let's get real here.  You just echoed 70 lines of text to
add two new lines.  Some of our subscribers have to pay for this stuff
by the byte, so unnecessary bulk like this is a burden.

CTRL-A DEL works very well (on most systems) as does highlighting and
deleting unneeded text.

Have a bit of consideration for the next guy.

Regards,  :)

Bob Fritsch
mailto:[e-mail]



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From: Bob Fritsch <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Election Results
Date: 10 Aug 1997 23:30:14 -0400

Sorry for the delay in the ANA TEC Report but things have been too
busy.  Here are the election results to tide you over until I find
enough free time:

    President - William C. Massey
    VP - Ray Dillard
    Secretary - Adelle(sp?) Vogel
    Treasurer - Anita Zell
    Directors - Ginnie Aldridge, Reva Kline, Rocky Rockholt

Regards,

Bob Fritsch
(Who still has yet to inventory the elongates from the show)
mailto:[e-mail]



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Organizing Quarters + Clear Spray
Date: 10 Aug 1997 20:38:07 -0700

Greetings,

I stopped by a coin shop yesterday to look at 2x2's for organizing my
quarters. The dollar size was to small for some of the quarters that
really elongated in the machines. So I got some of the crown size. They
are more expensive, 10 cents each, but then my quarters are worth it! The
"crown" size holders are 3x3, so I also had to get some 3x3 sheets. We
should talk to Ray about ordering Quarter size elongated holders and
sheets... Seems like more and more quarters are showing up.

I asked the shop owner about protecting coins. He said jewelers use a
spray called "Clear." He said they use it to keep items from tarnishing
and for people that are allergic to certain metals... Any thoughts on
using this?

I'll be putting new updates on the Smashed Coin Locator pages this week
and will let you know when and where... One new picture I'll get on the
site this week will be the DIsney "Dalmation" penny (correct spelling is
Dalmatian). I also will be getting caught up on some trades (Flats, Aahz,
Kathy...).

Have a great week everyone.

Bert



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From: "William C. Massey" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) How Elongate dies are made? (fwd)
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:36:16 -0700

> Hi All;
>
> How are the dies made???  Are they drawn and reduced? Acid etched? Inquiring
> minds need to know! :-)  How do they make them so durable?
>
> Thanks and Happ Collecting
>
> -Bob Hoff
> TEC # 2033
> and
> Anastasia
> TEC # 2121J

Here's the skinny on the above topics (detailed information can be found
in the Encyclopedia of the Modern Elongated, and also in Lee Martin's
video tape--available through TEC:

The art is usually produced on paper, then reduced with a camera.  The
film from the camera is then used to photo-etch the design onto a
hardend steel roll (This step uses some form of acid). The etch is then
deepened by hand engraving techniques, unknown to me.

--Willy



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 10 Aug 1997 23:43:58 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings and Salutations!

    I recently received the current 10 coin set from the Baltimore
Zoo and noticed that Eurolink used some of the exact same animal designs
on these coins as on the Dallas Zoo coins.  The text has obviously been
changed and the Elephant has even changed orientation, but the actual
animals are EXACTLY the same.
    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
does it make sense to reuse designs?

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert





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From: Matthew Birchard <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:08:39 -0700 (PDT)

    I've got a coupla coins from the Washington Park Zoo (Portland,
Oregon) and a few from the another Zoo, maybe in Texas, or somewhere (too
lazy to look now).  Anyway, the animals are exactly the same also.  Of
course the designs are from the same engraver, Vance Fowler, so this
makes sense.  Duplicate designs seems like a common thing really.  Since
these zoos are so far apart, I don't think it matters.  Zoo is happy with
a cool desing, Vance is happy with no redesigning a coin, zoo patron is
happy because in all likelyhood they have never been to the other zoo,
nor would they probably care much if it was the same coin.  So I think it
is no big deal.  Makes for interesting collecting, IMHO.

Matt Birchard
Portland, Oregon
USA

e-mail:  [e-mail]



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From: [e-mail]
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:49:55 -0600



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert







































































































































































































































































































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert






































































































































































































































































































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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

--

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  all and provided free of charge as a forum for collectors, rollers,
  researchers and dealers of elongated coins (aka pressed pennies,
  squished pennies, souvenir pennies, etc).  Discussion of anything related
  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Election Results
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:51:17 -0700 (PDT)


On Sun, 10 Aug 1997, Bob Fritsch wrote:

> busy.  Here are the election results to tide you over until I find

    So, essentially, the only change was the people who could no
longer hold office.  Why doesn't this surprise me considering there
sessentially wasn't an election.  BTW, I heard on the Wednesday or
Thursday before the election that Adelle would be the new Secretary.
Any opinions on why the Board only changes when someone decides to step down?

        Peace,

            Aahz

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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert





































































































































































































































































































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert




































































































































































































































































































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert



































































































































































































































































































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert


































































































































































































































































































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert

































































































































































































































































































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert
































































































































































































































































































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert































































































































































































































































































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert






























































































































































































































































































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert





























































































































































































































































































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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert




























































































































































































































































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert



























































































































































































































































































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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert


























































































































































































































































































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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert

























































































































































































































































































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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
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    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert
























































































































































































































































































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Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  squished pennies, souvenir pennies, etc).  Discussion of anything related
  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
everyone know a little about yourself and your specific interests in
elongates.  It would also be nice to know where you heard about The
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      At the moment, topic is not strictly enforced.  However, if a
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert























































































































































































































































































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert






















































































































































































































































































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Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert





















































































































































































































































































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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert




















































































































































































































































































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert



















































































































































































































































































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Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert


















































































































































































































































































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Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  squished pennies, souvenir pennies, etc).  Discussion of anything related
  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert

















































































































































































































































































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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  researchers and dealers of elongated coins (aka pressed pennies,
  squished pennies, souvenir pennies, etc).  Discussion of anything related
  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
everyone know a little about yourself and your specific interests in
elongates.  It would also be nice to know where you heard about The
Elongated Coin Mailing List, either in your 'Hello' message or in a
private message to [e-mail].

      At the moment, topic is not strictly enforced.  However, if a
  majority of subscribers feel that things are getting out of hand, this
  will be changed.

      If you have any questions, comments, or concerns regarding the
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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert
















































































































































































































































































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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  researchers and dealers of elongated coins (aka pressed pennies,
  squished pennies, souvenir pennies, etc).  Discussion of anything related
  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
everyone know a little about yourself and your specific interests in
elongates.  It would also be nice to know where you heard about The
Elongated Coin Mailing List, either in your 'Hello' message or in a
private message to [e-mail].

      At the moment, topic is not strictly enforced.  However, if a
  majority of subscribers feel that things are getting out of hand, this
  will be changed.

      If you have any questions, comments, or concerns regarding the
  list, please address them to:

     [e-mail]










































































































































































































































































































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert















































































































































































































































































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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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      The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail]) is open to
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  researchers and dealers of elongated coins (aka pressed pennies,
  squished pennies, souvenir pennies, etc).  Discussion of anything related
  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
everyone know a little about yourself and your specific interests in
elongates.  It would also be nice to know where you heard about The
Elongated Coin Mailing List, either in your 'Hello' message or in a
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      At the moment, topic is not strictly enforced.  However, if a
  majority of subscribers feel that things are getting out of hand, this
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      If you have any questions, comments, or concerns regarding the
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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert














































































































































































































































































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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert













































































































































































































































































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert












































































































































































































































































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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert











































































































































































































































































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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert










































































































































































































































































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert









































































































































































































































































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert








































































































































































































































































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  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
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elongates.  It would also be nice to know where you heard about The
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      At the moment, topic is not strictly enforced.  However, if a
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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert







































































































































































































































































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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  squished pennies, souvenir pennies, etc).  Discussion of anything related
  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert






































































































































































































































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert





































































































































































































































































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert




































































































































































































































































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert



































































































































































































































































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert


































































































































































































































































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert

































































































































































































































































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert
































































































































































































































































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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Knotts Berry Farm (was: locations)
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:08:19 -0700 (PDT)


On Sun, 10 Aug 1997, tink!!! wrote:

> > just cruise by KBS for a short while on Saturday and do some penny
> > shopping.  Anyone know how much admission is?  How late they're
> > open?  Anyone wanna go Saturday evening?
>
> soundz cool to me!  i haven't been there in about 8 years...wonder what
> it looks like now...

    Okay, well according to Gina and the Knott's website
(www.knotts.com), general admission is $31.95, but they do offer a half
price admission after 6:00.  Of course, that requiers that the park be
open after 6:00 which they're not when on their non-summer schedule.  Can
one of the locals give them a ring and see when summer hours end?

        Peace,

            Aahz



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert































































































































































































































































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert






























































































































































































































































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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Netiquette
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:10:46 -0700 (PDT)


On Sun, 10 Aug 1997, Bob Fritsch wrote:

> C'mon guys, let's get real here.  You just echoed 70 lines of text to
> add two new lines.  Some of our subscribers have to pay for this stuff
> by the byte, so unnecessary bulk like this is a burden.

    Bob is making a great point here that I tried to make
previously.  PLEASE try to quote only as much of the previous message as
is necessary!  This certainly does not include multi-line sigs (such as
mine) and usually only means two or three lines of text.  Quoting is a
wonderful tool, but please don't abuse it.

        Peace,

            Aahz

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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert





























































































































































































































































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  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert




























































































































































































































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert



























































































































































































































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert


























































































































































































































































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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert

























































































































































































































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert
























































































































































































































































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert























































































































































































































































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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert






















































































































































































































































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Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert





















































































































































































































































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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert




















































































































































































































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert



















































































































































































































































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Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  squished pennies, souvenir pennies, etc).  Discussion of anything related
  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert


















































































































































































































































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert

















































































































































































































































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert
















































































































































































































































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert















































































































































































































































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert














































































































































































































































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert













































































































































































































































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert












































































































































































































































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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert











































































































































































































































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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  squished pennies, souvenir pennies, etc).  Discussion of anything related
  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert










































































































































































































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert









































































































































































































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert








































































































































































































































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert







































































































































































































































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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert






































































































































































































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert





































































































































































































































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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert




































































































































































































































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  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert



































































































































































































































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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
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      If you have any questions, comments, or concerns regarding the
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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert


































































































































































































































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert

































































































































































































































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert
































































































































































































































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert































































































































































































































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert






























































































































































































































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert





























































































































































































































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert




























































































































































































































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert



























































































































































































































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert


























































































































































































































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  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert

























































































































































































































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert
























































































































































































































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert























































































































































































































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert






















































































































































































































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert





















































































































































































































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert




















































































































































































































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert



















































































































































































































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert


















































































































































































































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:06:40 -0700

On 8/11/97 12:08 AM Matthew Birchard ([e-mail] ) wrote

> Anyway, the animals are exactly the same also.  Of
>course the designs are from the same engraver, Vance Fowler

This is great information! I'd like to add Vance's name to my Engravers
home page. Do you know of other engravers I should add as well (and what
their initials are - if they add them to the coins)?

Thanks again for this information on Vance. I wish all Eurolink engravers
used some way of identifying themselves...

bc



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert

















































































































































































































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elongates.  It would also be nice to know where you heard about The
Elongated Coin Mailing List, either in your 'Hello' message or in a
private message to [e-mail].

      At the moment, topic is not strictly enforced.  However, if a
  majority of subscribers feel that things are getting out of hand, this
  will be changed.

      If you have any questions, comments, or concerns regarding the
  list, please address them to:

     [e-mail]











































































































































































































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert
















































































































































































































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Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert















































































































































































































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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
everyone know a little about yourself and your specific interests in
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert














































































































































































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  squished pennies, souvenir pennies, etc).  Discussion of anything related
  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
everyone know a little about yourself and your specific interests in
elongates.  It would also be nice to know where you heard about The
Elongated Coin Mailing List, either in your 'Hello' message or in a
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      At the moment, topic is not strictly enforced.  However, if a
  majority of subscribers feel that things are getting out of hand, this
  will be changed.

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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert













































































































































































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert












































































































































































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert











































































































































































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert










































































































































































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert









































































































































































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert








































































































































































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert







































































































































































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert






































































































































































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  squished pennies, souvenir pennies, etc).  Discussion of anything related
  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
everyone know a little about yourself and your specific interests in
elongates.  It would also be nice to know where you heard about The
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      At the moment, topic is not strictly enforced.  However, if a
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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  researchers and dealers of elongated coins (aka pressed pennies,
  squished pennies, souvenir pennies, etc).  Discussion of anything related
  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
everyone know a little about yourself and your specific interests in
elongates.  It would also be nice to know where you heard about The
Elongated Coin Mailing List, either in your 'Hello' message or in a
private message to [e-mail].

      At the moment, topic is not strictly enforced.  However, if a
  majority of subscribers feel that things are getting out of hand, this
  will be changed.

      If you have any questions, comments, or concerns regarding the
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert





































































































































































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert




































































































































































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

--

Welcome to the elongates mailing list!

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      The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail]) is open to
  all and provided free of charge as a forum for collectors, rollers,
  researchers and dealers of elongated coins (aka pressed pennies,
  squished pennies, souvenir pennies, etc).  Discussion of anything related
  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
everyone know a little about yourself and your specific interests in
elongates.  It would also be nice to know where you heard about The
Elongated Coin Mailing List, either in your 'Hello' message or in a
private message to [e-mail].

      At the moment, topic is not strictly enforced.  However, if a
  majority of subscribers feel that things are getting out of hand, this
  will be changed.

      If you have any questions, comments, or concerns regarding the
  list, please address them to:

     [e-mail]





































































































































































































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

--

Welcome to the elongates mailing list!

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      The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail]) is open to
  all and provided free of charge as a forum for collectors, rollers,
  researchers and dealers of elongated coins (aka pressed pennies,
  squished pennies, souvenir pennies, etc).  Discussion of anything related
  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
everyone know a little about yourself and your specific interests in
elongates.  It would also be nice to know where you heard about The
Elongated Coin Mailing List, either in your 'Hello' message or in a
private message to [e-mail].

      At the moment, topic is not strictly enforced.  However, if a
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      If you have any questions, comments, or concerns regarding the
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert



































































































































































































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert


































































































































































































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert

































































































































































































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert
































































































































































































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert































































































































































































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert






























































































































































































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert





























































































































































































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert




























































































































































































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert



























































































































































































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  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert


























































































































































































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert

























































































































































































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert
























































































































































































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert























































































































































































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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert






















































































































































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert





















































































































































































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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert




















































































































































































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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert



















































































































































































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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert


















































































































































































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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert

















































































































































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert
















































































































































































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert















































































































































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert














































































































































































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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert













































































































































































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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert












































































































































































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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert











































































































































































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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert










































































































































































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Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert









































































































































































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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
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      If you have any questions, comments, or concerns regarding the
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert








































































































































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert







































































































































































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Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert






































































































































































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Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert




































































































































































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Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
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    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert



































































































































































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert


































































































































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert

































































































































































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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
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  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
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    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert
































































































































































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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  squished pennies, souvenir pennies, etc).  Discussion of anything related
  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
everyone know a little about yourself and your specific interests in
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      If you have any questions, comments, or concerns regarding the
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert































































































































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert






























































































































































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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  researchers and dealers of elongated coins (aka pressed pennies,
  squished pennies, souvenir pennies, etc).  Discussion of anything related
  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
everyone know a little about yourself and your specific interests in
elongates.  It would also be nice to know where you heard about The
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert





























































































































































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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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      The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail]) is open to
  all and provided free of charge as a forum for collectors, rollers,
  researchers and dealers of elongated coins (aka pressed pennies,
  squished pennies, souvenir pennies, etc).  Discussion of anything related
  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
everyone know a little about yourself and your specific interests in
elongates.  It would also be nice to know where you heard about The
Elongated Coin Mailing List, either in your 'Hello' message or in a
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      At the moment, topic is not strictly enforced.  However, if a
  majority of subscribers feel that things are getting out of hand, this
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  squished pennies, souvenir pennies, etc).  Discussion of anything related
  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
everyone know a little about yourself and your specific interests in
elongates.  It would also be nice to know where you heard about The
Elongated Coin Mailing List, either in your 'Hello' message or in a
private message to [e-mail].

      At the moment, topic is not strictly enforced.  However, if a
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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert




























































































































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert



























































































































































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Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert


























































































































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert

























































































































































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Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert
























































































































































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Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert























































































































































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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
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    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert






















































































































































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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert





















































































































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert




















































































































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  squished pennies, souvenir pennies, etc).  Discussion of anything related
  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
everyone know a little about yourself and your specific interests in
elongates.  It would also be nice to know where you heard about The
Elongated Coin Mailing List, either in your 'Hello' message or in a
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      At the moment, topic is not strictly enforced.  However, if a
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      If you have any questions, comments, or concerns regarding the
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert



















































































































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  researchers and dealers of elongated coins (aka pressed pennies,
  squished pennies, souvenir pennies, etc).  Discussion of anything related
  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
everyone know a little about yourself and your specific interests in
elongates.  It would also be nice to know where you heard about The
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      At the moment, topic is not strictly enforced.  However, if a
  majority of subscribers feel that things are getting out of hand, this
  will be changed.

      If you have any questions, comments, or concerns regarding the
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert


















































































































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert

















































































































































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert
















































































































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert















































































































































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert














































































































































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert













































































































































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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert












































































































































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Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert











































































































































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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert










































































































































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Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert









































































































































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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
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would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert








































































































































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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
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    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert







































































































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert






































































































































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Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert





































































































































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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert




































































































































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Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert



































































































































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Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert


































































































































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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  researchers and dealers of elongated coins (aka pressed pennies,
  squished pennies, souvenir pennies, etc).  Discussion of anything related
  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
everyone know a little about yourself and your specific interests in
elongates.  It would also be nice to know where you heard about The
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      If you have any questions, comments, or concerns regarding the
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert

































































































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert
































































































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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      The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail]) is open to
  all and provided free of charge as a forum for collectors, rollers,
  researchers and dealers of elongated coins (aka pressed pennies,
  squished pennies, souvenir pennies, etc).  Discussion of anything related
  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
everyone know a little about yourself and your specific interests in
elongates.  It would also be nice to know where you heard about The
Elongated Coin Mailing List, either in your 'Hello' message or in a
private message to [e-mail].

      At the moment, topic is not strictly enforced.  However, if a
  majority of subscribers feel that things are getting out of hand, this
  will be changed.

      If you have any questions, comments, or concerns regarding the
  list, please address them to:

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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert































































































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert






























































































































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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert





























































































































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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert




























































































































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Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
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    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert



























































































































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Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert


























































































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert

























































































































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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  squished pennies, souvenir pennies, etc).  Discussion of anything related
  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
everyone know a little about yourself and your specific interests in
elongates.  It would also be nice to know where you heard about The
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      At the moment, topic is not strictly enforced.  However, if a
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert
























































































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert























































































































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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  squished pennies, souvenir pennies, etc).  Discussion of anything related
  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
everyone know a little about yourself and your specific interests in
elongates.  It would also be nice to know where you heard about The
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      At the moment, topic is not strictly enforced.  However, if a
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert






















































































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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      The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail]) is open to
  all and provided free of charge as a forum for collectors, rollers,
  researchers and dealers of elongated coins (aka pressed pennies,
  squished pennies, souvenir pennies, etc).  Discussion of anything related
  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
everyone know a little about yourself and your specific interests in
elongates.  It would also be nice to know where you heard about The
Elongated Coin Mailing List, either in your 'Hello' message or in a
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      At the moment, topic is not strictly enforced.  However, if a
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert





















































































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

--

Welcome to the elongates mailing list!

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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert




















































































































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert



















































































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert


















































































































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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert

















































































































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Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert
















































































































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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert















































































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert














































































































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Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  squished pennies, souvenir pennies, etc).  Discussion of anything related
  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
everyone know a little about yourself and your specific interests in
elongates.  It would also be nice to know where you heard about The
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      At the moment, topic is not strictly enforced.  However, if a
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert













































































































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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  squished pennies, souvenir pennies, etc).  Discussion of anything related
  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
everyone know a little about yourself and your specific interests in
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert












































































































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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  squished pennies, souvenir pennies, etc).  Discussion of anything related
  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
everyone know a little about yourself and your specific interests in
elongates.  It would also be nice to know where you heard about The
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Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  all and provided free of charge as a forum for collectors, rollers,
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  squished pennies, souvenir pennies, etc).  Discussion of anything related
  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
everyone know a little about yourself and your specific interests in
elongates.  It would also be nice to know where you heard about The
Elongated Coin Mailing List, either in your 'Hello' message or in a
private message to [e-mail].

      At the moment, topic is not strictly enforced.  However, if a
  majority of subscribers feel that things are getting out of hand, this
  will be changed.

      If you have any questions, comments, or concerns regarding the
  list, please address them to:

     [e-mail]



















































































































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert











































































































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  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert










































































































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Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
everyone know a little about yourself and your specific interests in
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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert









































































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert








































































































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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
everyone know a little about yourself and your specific interests in
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert







































































































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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
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    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert






































































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert





































































































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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  squished pennies, souvenir pennies, etc).  Discussion of anything related
  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
everyone know a little about yourself and your specific interests in
elongates.  It would also be nice to know where you heard about The
Elongated Coin Mailing List, either in your 'Hello' message or in a
private message to [e-mail].

      At the moment, topic is not strictly enforced.  However, if a
  majority of subscribers feel that things are getting out of hand, this
  will be changed.

      If you have any questions, comments, or concerns regarding the
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert




































































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  researchers and dealers of elongated coins (aka pressed pennies,
  squished pennies, souvenir pennies, etc).  Discussion of anything related
  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
everyone know a little about yourself and your specific interests in
elongates.  It would also be nice to know where you heard about The
Elongated Coin Mailing List, either in your 'Hello' message or in a
private message to [e-mail].

      At the moment, topic is not strictly enforced.  However, if a
  majority of subscribers feel that things are getting out of hand, this
  will be changed.

      If you have any questions, comments, or concerns regarding the
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert



































































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert


































































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

--

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               Welcome to The Elongated Coin Mailing List!

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      The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail]) is open to
  all and provided free of charge as a forum for collectors, rollers,
  researchers and dealers of elongated coins (aka pressed pennies,
  squished pennies, souvenir pennies, etc).  Discussion of anything related
  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
everyone know a little about yourself and your specific interests in
elongates.  It would also be nice to know where you heard about The
Elongated Coin Mailing List, either in your 'Hello' message or in a
private message to [e-mail].

      At the moment, topic is not strictly enforced.  However, if a
  majority of subscribers feel that things are getting out of hand, this
  will be changed.

      If you have any questions, comments, or concerns regarding the
  list, please address them to:

     [e-mail]










































































































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert

































































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert
































































































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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert































































































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Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert






























































































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Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert





























































































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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert




























































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert



























































































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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert


























































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  researchers and dealers of elongated coins (aka pressed pennies,
  squished pennies, souvenir pennies, etc).  Discussion of anything related
  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
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      If you have any questions, comments, or concerns regarding the
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert

























































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert
























































































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Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert























































































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert






















































































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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert





















































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert




















































































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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert



















































































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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert


















































































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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert

















































































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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
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    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
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Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert
















































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert















































































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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert














































































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Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert













































































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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert












































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert











































































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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
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    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert










































































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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  squished pennies, souvenir pennies, etc).  Discussion of anything related
  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
everyone know a little about yourself and your specific interests in
elongates.  It would also be nice to know where you heard about The
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  majority of subscribers feel that things are getting out of hand, this
  will be changed.

      If you have any questions, comments, or concerns regarding the
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert









































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  researchers and dealers of elongated coins (aka pressed pennies,
  squished pennies, souvenir pennies, etc).  Discussion of anything related
  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
everyone know a little about yourself and your specific interests in
elongates.  It would also be nice to know where you heard about The
Elongated Coin Mailing List, either in your 'Hello' message or in a
private message to [e-mail].

      At the moment, topic is not strictly enforced.  However, if a
  majority of subscribers feel that things are getting out of hand, this
  will be changed.

      If you have any questions, comments, or concerns regarding the
  list, please address them to:

     [e-mail]
















































































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert








































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert







































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

--

Welcome to the elongates mailing list!

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               Welcome to The Elongated Coin Mailing List!

   To post to the list, mail to:
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      The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail]) is open to
  all and provided free of charge as a forum for collectors, rollers,
  researchers and dealers of elongated coins (aka pressed pennies,
  squished pennies, souvenir pennies, etc).  Discussion of anything related
  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
everyone know a little about yourself and your specific interests in
elongates.  It would also be nice to know where you heard about The
Elongated Coin Mailing List, either in your 'Hello' message or in a
private message to [e-mail].

      At the moment, topic is not strictly enforced.  However, if a
  majority of subscribers feel that things are getting out of hand, this
  will be changed.

      If you have any questions, comments, or concerns regarding the
  list, please address them to:

     [e-mail]















































































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert






































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert





































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

--

Welcome to the elongates mailing list!

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      The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail]) is open to
  all and provided free of charge as a forum for collectors, rollers,
  researchers and dealers of elongated coins (aka pressed pennies,
  squished pennies, souvenir pennies, etc).  Discussion of anything related
  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
everyone know a little about yourself and your specific interests in
elongates.  It would also be nice to know where you heard about The
Elongated Coin Mailing List, either in your 'Hello' message or in a
private message to [e-mail].

      At the moment, topic is not strictly enforced.  However, if a
  majority of subscribers feel that things are getting out of hand, this
  will be changed.

      If you have any questions, comments, or concerns regarding the
  list, please address them to:

     [e-mail]














































































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert




































































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Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert



































































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert


































































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Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert

































































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Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  squished pennies, souvenir pennies, etc).  Discussion of anything related
  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert
































































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Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  researchers and dealers of elongated coins (aka pressed pennies,
  squished pennies, souvenir pennies, etc).  Discussion of anything related
  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
everyone know a little about yourself and your specific interests in
elongates.  It would also be nice to know where you heard about The
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  majority of subscribers feel that things are getting out of hand, this
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      If you have any questions, comments, or concerns regarding the
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert































































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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  squished pennies, souvenir pennies, etc).  Discussion of anything related
  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert






























































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert





























































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert




























































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert



























































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert


























































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert

























































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert
























































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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert























































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert






















































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert





















































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert




















































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert



















































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert


















































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
everyone know a little about yourself and your specific interests in
elongates.  It would also be nice to know where you heard about The
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private message to [e-mail].

      At the moment, topic is not strictly enforced.  However, if a
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert

















































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
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would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  squished pennies, souvenir pennies, etc).  Discussion of anything related
  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert
















































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

--

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  squished pennies, souvenir pennies, etc).  Discussion of anything related
  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
everyone know a little about yourself and your specific interests in
elongates.  It would also be nice to know where you heard about The
Elongated Coin Mailing List, either in your 'Hello' message or in a
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      At the moment, topic is not strictly enforced.  However, if a
  majority of subscribers feel that things are getting out of hand, this
  will be changed.

      If you have any questions, comments, or concerns regarding the
  list, please address them to:

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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert















































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

--

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  squished pennies, souvenir pennies, etc).  Discussion of anything related
  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
everyone know a little about yourself and your specific interests in
elongates.  It would also be nice to know where you heard about The
Elongated Coin Mailing List, either in your 'Hello' message or in a
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      At the moment, topic is not strictly enforced.  However, if a
  majority of subscribers feel that things are getting out of hand, this
  will be changed.

      If you have any questions, comments, or concerns regarding the
  list, please address them to:

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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert














































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert













































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

--

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      The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail]) is open to
  all and provided free of charge as a forum for collectors, rollers,
  researchers and dealers of elongated coins (aka pressed pennies,
  squished pennies, souvenir pennies, etc).  Discussion of anything related
  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
everyone know a little about yourself and your specific interests in
elongates.  It would also be nice to know where you heard about The
Elongated Coin Mailing List, either in your 'Hello' message or in a
private message to [e-mail].

      At the moment, topic is not strictly enforced.  However, if a
  majority of subscribers feel that things are getting out of hand, this
  will be changed.

      If you have any questions, comments, or concerns regarding the
  list, please address them to:

     [e-mail]


















































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert












































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

--

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      The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail]) is open to
  all and provided free of charge as a forum for collectors, rollers,
  researchers and dealers of elongated coins (aka pressed pennies,
  squished pennies, souvenir pennies, etc).  Discussion of anything related
  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
everyone know a little about yourself and your specific interests in
elongates.  It would also be nice to know where you heard about The
Elongated Coin Mailing List, either in your 'Hello' message or in a
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      At the moment, topic is not strictly enforced.  However, if a
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      If you have any questions, comments, or concerns regarding the
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert











































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

--

Welcome to the elongates mailing list!

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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert










































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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert









































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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert








































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Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert







































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert






































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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert





































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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert




































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Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  squished pennies, souvenir pennies, etc).  Discussion of anything related
  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
everyone know a little about yourself and your specific interests in
elongates.  It would also be nice to know where you heard about The
Elongated Coin Mailing List, either in your 'Hello' message or in a
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      If you have any questions, comments, or concerns regarding the
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert



































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  researchers and dealers of elongated coins (aka pressed pennies,
  squished pennies, souvenir pennies, etc).  Discussion of anything related
  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
everyone know a little about yourself and your specific interests in
elongates.  It would also be nice to know where you heard about The
Elongated Coin Mailing List, either in your 'Hello' message or in a
private message to [e-mail].

      At the moment, topic is not strictly enforced.  However, if a
  majority of subscribers feel that things are getting out of hand, this
  will be changed.

      If you have any questions, comments, or concerns regarding the
  list, please address them to:

     [e-mail]









































































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert


































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert

































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert
































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert































-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert






























-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert





























-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert




























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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert



























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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert


























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Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert

























-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert
























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Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert























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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert






















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  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
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    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert





















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  squished pennies, souvenir pennies, etc).  Discussion of anything related
  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert




















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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  squished pennies, souvenir pennies, etc).  Discussion of anything related
  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
everyone know a little about yourself and your specific interests in
elongates.  It would also be nice to know where you heard about The
Elongated Coin Mailing List, either in your 'Hello' message or in a
private message to [e-mail].

      At the moment, topic is not strictly enforced.  However, if a
  majority of subscribers feel that things are getting out of hand, this
  will be changed.

      If you have any questions, comments, or concerns regarding the
  list, please address them to:

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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert



















-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert


















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Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert

















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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert
















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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  squished pennies, souvenir pennies, etc).  Discussion of anything related
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  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert















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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  squished pennies, souvenir pennies, etc).  Discussion of anything related
  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert














-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert













-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert












-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert











-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert










-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert









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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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      The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail]) is open to
  all and provided free of charge as a forum for collectors, rollers,
  researchers and dealers of elongated coins (aka pressed pennies,
  squished pennies, souvenir pennies, etc).  Discussion of anything related
  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
everyone know a little about yourself and your specific interests in
elongates.  It would also be nice to know where you heard about The
Elongated Coin Mailing List, either in your 'Hello' message or in a
private message to [e-mail].

      At the moment, topic is not strictly enforced.  However, if a
  majority of subscribers feel that things are getting out of hand, this
  will be changed.

      If you have any questions, comments, or concerns regarding the
  list, please address them to:

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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      The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail]) is open to
  all and provided free of charge as a forum for collectors, rollers,
  researchers and dealers of elongated coins (aka pressed pennies,
  squished pennies, souvenir pennies, etc).  Discussion of anything related
  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
everyone know a little about yourself and your specific interests in
elongates.  It would also be nice to know where you heard about The
Elongated Coin Mailing List, either in your 'Hello' message or in a
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      At the moment, topic is not strictly enforced.  However, if a
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  will be changed.

      If you have any questions, comments, or concerns regarding the
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert








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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert







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  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 00:10:11 -0700

On 8/10/97 11:43 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

If the designs are high quality (minimal zinc showing, sharp lines...)
then I think this is fine. A bad design repeated would be bad for the
hobby... My experience with the newer Eurolink machines at Disneyland has
been one of great results. They look more like triple stamped proof coins
(and that is using post-82's - mostly 1996's).

I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

Bert






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  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
everyone know a little about yourself and your specific interests in
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private message to [e-mail].

      At the moment, topic is not strictly enforced.  However, if a
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  will be changed.

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  squished pennies, souvenir pennies, etc).  Discussion of anything related
  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
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    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
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everyone know a little about yourself and your specific interests in
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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
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    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  squished pennies, souvenir pennies, etc).  Discussion of anything related
  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  squished pennies, souvenir pennies, etc).  Discussion of anything related
  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

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everyone know a little about yourself and your specific interests in
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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  squished pennies, souvenir pennies, etc).  Discussion of anything related
  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
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everyone know a little about yourself and your specific interests in
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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  squished pennies, souvenir pennies, etc).  Discussion of anything related
  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  squished pennies, souvenir pennies, etc).  Discussion of anything related
  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  squished pennies, souvenir pennies, etc).  Discussion of anything related
  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  squished pennies, souvenir pennies, etc).  Discussion of anything related
  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
everyone know a little about yourself and your specific interests in
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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  squished pennies, souvenir pennies, etc).  Discussion of anything related
  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
everyone know a little about yourself and your specific interests in
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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  squished pennies, souvenir pennies, etc).  Discussion of anything related
  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
everyone know a little about yourself and your specific interests in
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Subject: (elongates) Welcome to elongates
Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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  squished pennies, souvenir pennies, etc).  Discussion of anything related
  to elongated coins including, but not limited to, trade lists, machine
  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
  got anything to do with elongated coins, this is the place for it.

    'Lurking' is perfectly acceptable, but it would be nice if you
would take a minute to send a 'Hello' message to the list and let
everyone know a little about yourself and your specific interests in
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  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
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  locations, new issue information, questions, collection bragging, offers
  for sale, and coin sought announcements are all welcome here.  If its
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Date: 11 Aug 1997 01:32:08 -0600

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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication + Stone Zoo in Mass.
Date: 11 Aug 1997 09:08:26 -0400


Hello everybody,

I have good news and bad news.

First, the good news.  I went to the Stone Zoo and am pleased to report the
following:

They have a machine to the right of the entrance - near the concession stand.
It's a Eurolink penny machine - with three designs.
A - Polar bear, horizontal, "Stone Zoo"
B - Flamingo,   vertical,   "Stone Zoo"
C - Sea Otter,  horizontal, "Stone Zoo"

The sea otter design is EXACTLY the same as the one in Canary Row in
California.  Also, the
polar bear I've seen somewhere else before.  This confirms what Chris was
saying - Eurolink reuses
animal designs - replacing the text and/or orientation.

Now, the bad news is some of my trading stock may have been accidently
thrown out.  The only one I'm bummed about is
I might have lost one of my Museum of Science Dinosaurs.  I have one
trading dinosaur for the two people I owe. :(

My wife and I are going through all the unpacked boxes tonight.  I don't
want to be known as a "bad trader", so I'll give up the dinosaur
in my collection if I can't find it.

Either way, I have extras from the New Jersey and the Stone Zoo.  Plus,
I'll probably have to do another Boston Museum of Science and Aquarium run.
For the people who thought I might have forgotten you - I haven't
(especially the Penny Page!!!).

[From Chris Aahz]
>    I recently received the current 10 coin set from the Baltimore
>Zoo and noticed that Eurolink used some of the exact same animal designs
>on these coins as on the Dallas Zoo coins.
[snip]
>    Has anyone noticed this with other Eurolink designs?  What do you
>think about this?  Should Eurolink create new images for each customer or
>does it make sense to reuse designs?

- Jeff

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) too many copies!!!
Date: 11 Aug 1997 10:07:03 -0400 (EDT)

I received, this morning, about 25-30 copies of three different messages....
something wrong, eh???  :o)



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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) too many copies!!!
Date: 11 Aug 1997 10:08:25 -0400

Yes.  I had the same problem.  I came in to 650 messages!

- Jeff
At 10:07 AM 8/11/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I received, this morning, about 25-30 copies of three different messages....
>something wrong, eh???  :o)
>
>
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From: James Henry <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) too many copies!!!
Date: 11 Aug 1997 09:54:43 -0500

Only 25-30 of each?  I had a total of 638!!!  Beat that.

Minnesota Flats



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) I'M SO SORRY!!!!!
Date: 11 Aug 1997 09:41:18 -0700 (PDT)


    Um...Good Morning.  Well, I'm sure everyone saw whjat happened
this morning.  The good news is: IT STOPPED!  The bad news:  I have no
idea why it happened.

    For some as of yet unknown reason majordomo decided that two
messages were incredibly important and sent each of them out more then
300 times.  I don't have an exact count because I received an additional
50-100 'mailbox full' error messages from AOL.  At first I thought it was
a result of my attempts to get the digest version of the list to work,
but that doesn't explain why Bert's messafe got caught in the loop.

    If anyone out there has any ideas as to how this happened, let me
know.  XMission has been extremely slow to answer most of my queries
regarding the list, so I don't expect to hear from them on this too
soon.

    Again, I'm sorry.  If any actual harm has been done to anyone by
this 'mail bomb' then let me know if there's something I can do to repair it.

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Digest test
Date: 11 Aug 1997 09:48:34 -0700 (PDT)

This is a test message for the digest version of the Elongated Coin
Mailing List


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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) I'M SO SORRY!!!!!
Date: 11 Aug 1997 10:02:32 -0700

On 8/11/97 9:41 AM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>
>    Again, I'm sorry.  If any actual harm has been done to anyone by
>this 'mail bomb' then let me know if there's something I can do to repair it.
>
>        Peace,
>
>            Aahz

Not a problem. Email happens!  8-)

bc



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Digest may be working
Date: 11 Aug 1997 10:03:08 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings & Salutations!

    Well, it seems that something good may have come out of last
nights mail bomb.  I think I figured out how to make the digest version
of the list work.  I'm still doing some final testing, but if I'm right
(and I think I am) then the digest should be up tomorrow.

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
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From: tony dinto <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Messages
Date: 11 Aug 1997 20:03:40 +0000

Hi,
  The only problem was my eyes hitting the floor at 6 A.M. in the
morning, this does tend to get them dusty.
Tony



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From: "..." <...>
Subject: Re: (elongates) members list
Date: 11 Aug 1997 19:52:07 -0500

I too, have a P.O. box and think it's worth the investment! This way no one
knows exactly where you live. This is good for those people concerned about
giving your home address out to people you don't really  know on the net.
Hope the email is fixed:  I downloaded 646 messages today. It took me at
least 30 minutes!
-Kathy

----------
> From: [e-mail]
> To: [e-mail]
> Cc: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: (elongates) members list
> Date: Saturday, August 09, 1997 11:27 PM
>
> [e-mail] wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 97-08-09 17:06:31 EDT, you write:
> >
> > > On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, Bob Fritsch wrote:
> > >
> > >  > Please let us know the resolution to this.  Thanks.
> > >
> > >       Russ was not looking for a the e-mail addresses of list
members,
> > >  but rather for the TEC membership list.  His concern was that his
name
> > >  would be distributed against his will.  Especially since (for
reasons
> > >  unknown) he has decided not to continue as a TEC member. I have
assured
> > him
> > >  this will not be the case.
> > >
> >
> > I feel I should post a possible reason why some people would rather not
have
> > their names released.  I don't speak for any one person but just
generally.
> >
> > Many people that collect "coins" are affraid that someone will try to
steal
> > the coins.  Theives may use a list of collectors as a way of finding
out
> > where "collectors" live.  In most cases, collectors put coins of value
in a
> > safe deposit box.  But, if a theif should drop in for a "visit" the
theif may
> > not believe that the coins are off-sight.  Which avoids the problem of
theft,
> > yet makes for another problem.
> >
> > I don't think this would be a problem for most of us.  I would think
that
> > most theives would not be interested in pennies, much less ones that
are
> > smashed :-).  But, there maybe people that are worried about that
possiblity.
> >
> > I believe that permission should be asked before publishing a list of
*home*
> > addresses.
> >
> > My pressed cents worth :-),
> >
> > -Bob Hoff
> > TEC #2033
>
> Hello all,
> I think that Bob has done an excellent job of stating what I was
> thinking.  Using a P.O. Box can add to ones peace of mind.  I have used
> one for several years now, and it has been worth every penny :-)
> Trey



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From: "..." <...>
Subject: (elongates) Penny Found
Date: 11 Aug 1997 20:15:01 -0500

Received this message today:

I found a pirates of the carribean squashed penny with my metal detector
today and am not interested in parting with it but do you know how old it
could be? How long have they been squashing those?
Just curious
Frank
[e-mail]

Can anyone assist him?
Kathy



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From: "zinful" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Knotts Berry Farm (was: locations)
Date: 11 Aug 1997 17:23:04 -0000


>     Okay, well according to Gina and the Knott's website
> (www.knotts.com), general admission is $31.95, but they do offer a half
> price admission after 6:00.  Of course, that requiers that the park be
> open after 6:00 which they're not when on their non-summer schedule.  Can

> one of the locals give them a ring and see when summer hours end?
>         Peace,
>             Aahz

O.K  I justed talked to someone at Knotts and the summer hours go thru Aug
however during the weekends in Sept the park is open til 10:00 pm and you
can still get the 1/2 price at that time.  And this discounted price starts
at 4:00 pm.  (hope she was right).
If you go please get me the Camp Snoopy pressed quarter if machine is
operating.  Thanks.  Also I will send you a map of all machine locations.
Gina




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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) too many copies!!!
Date: 11 Aug 1997 21:35:07 -0400

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> I received, this morning, about 25-30 copies of three different messages....
> something wrong, eh???  :o)

Somethings wrong alright... I received over 500, that's right FIVE
HUNDRED copies of two messages.  What IS the scoop here.

Ben



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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) too many copies!!!
Date: 11 Aug 1997 21:36:23 -0400

James Henry wrote:
>
> Only 25-30 of each?  I had a total of 638!!!  Beat that.
>
> Minnesota Flats

Maybe I wasn't clear.  I had over 500 each of two messages. 1052 total.

Ben



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) too many copies!!!
Date: 11 Aug 1997 21:46:05 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-08-11 21:45:18 EDT, you write:

<<
 Somethings wrong alright... I received over 500, that's right FIVE
 HUNDRED copies of two messages.  What IS the scoop here.
  >>

Me Too!!!
Liz



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) too many copies!!!
Date: 11 Aug 1997 21:59:47 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 8/12/97 10:46:32 AM , you write:

<< Maybe I wasn't clear.  I had over 500 each of two messages. 1052 total.

 Ben
  >>

Just trying to make you feel welcome!
I was welcomed to Elongates 350 times!



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Penny Found
Date: 11 Aug 1997 19:14:36 -0700

On 8/11/97 6:15 PM ... (... ) wrote

>Received this message today:
>
>I found a pirates of the carribean squashed penny with my metal detector
>today and am not interested in parting with it but do you know how old it
>could be?

Can you tell us if there is a dot border with "Disneyland" at the bottom,
in place of a few dots. This can help us narrow it down.

Bert



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) We Could Be Famous!
Date: 11 Aug 1997 19:25:17 -0700

Hi All,

I want to get all of your reactions to this. The San Diego Union/Tribune
newspaper (our major paper) wants to do a story on my EC's and on the
hobby. I want to get your thoughts before I call them back tomorrow. Here
are a few of my thoughts off the top of my head:

1) We could invite their writer to join those of us going to Disneyland...

2) We could come up with some ways to use the interview to support TEC
recruiting... (including the new Secretary's address, pointing them to
the sign up form I am adding to my web page, etc.) I need to find the new
Sec address...

3) We could see if the reporter could get the Aloha and SF Penny
companies to give out locations...

What are your thoughts about these ideas and what other things come to
mind. I need to return the writer's call tomorrow, so I will say thanks
for any ideas tonight or tomorrow. I won't call them back before noon
Pacific time...

This could be great for the hobby!

Bert



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Mail Bomb explanation
Date: 11 Aug 1997 19:24:01 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings and Salutations!

    Okay, if you're interested, this is essentially what happened.

    At around 1:00am I was attempting to get the digest version
working again.  I have been learning how all this works without
assistance from XMission essentially because their support sucks.
Anywayz, I inadvertently set elongates and elongates-digest to mirror
each other.  Thus, every message sent to elongates was forwarded to all
of you AND elongates-digest which would then send the message to its
subscribers and back to elongates which started the loop all over again.
n my frenzied attempts to stop this from happening I hit on the correct
thing within about 15 minutes.  However, in 'net time this is forever and
the cycle had completed somewhere between 300 and 500 times.  The reason
people continued to receive the messages even after uns*bscribing from
the list was the back up in the mail queue.

    Again, I apologize and assure you all that this will not happen
again. Now you know why it happened.  The good news is that I learned a
lot about how majordomo works and now understand how the digest works.

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) IMPORTANT LIST INFO
Date: 11 Aug 1997 19:41:06 -0700 (PDT)

 Greetings and Salutations!

     Okay, in order for the digest version of the list to work, we all
 need to start sending messages to the list to
 "[e-mail]" instead of "[e-mail]".  The
 messages will automatically forward to the old list address and also be
 set aside to be put into the daily digest.

     Please do not s*bscribe to the digest yet as I still need to make
 sure it's sending out the digests okay.

         Peace,

             Aahz

 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
           Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
 The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
 List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
 Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
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 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







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From: Bob Fritsch <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) IMPORTANT LIST INFO
Date: 11 Aug 1997 23:12:23 -0400

Chris Aahz wrote:
>  need to start sending messages to the list to
>  "[e-mail]" instead of "[e-mail]".

Make sure that the REPLY pointers are to the new address and that they
work.  I have been on some lists where it is impossible to reply to the
sending (list) address.  Also have noted that REPLYing to a digest
address just doesn't work on some lists.  Hope neither of these problems
happens here.

Regards,

Bob Fritsch
mailto:[e-mail]



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) IMPORTANT LIST INFO
Date: 11 Aug 1997 20:14:07 -0700 (PDT)



On Mon, 11 Aug 1997, Bob Fritsch wrote:

> Make sure that the REPLY pointers are to the new address and that they
> work.  I have been on some lists where it is impossible to reply to the

    I've got the reply pointers set up and if you're reading this
then they work.  Thanx for the tips.

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Organizing Quarters + Clear Spray
Date: 11 Aug 1997 20:27:40 -0700 (PDT)

On Sun, 10 Aug 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> "crown" size holders are 3x3, so I also had to get some 3x3 sheets. We

    I've got some of these for my horseshoe shaped encased cents, but
hadn't thought of using them for quarters.  Seems they'd pretty much
float in the extra space.  What I've found that works is the 2x2s that
have a large square opening.  Unfortunately, I haven't found a source to
purchase these and only have those that have come with coin purchases.

> should talk to Ray about ordering Quarter size elongated holders and
> sheets... Seems like more and more quarters are showing up.

    Good idea.  Drop him a line.  Or put together a short article for
TECN.

> I asked the shop owner about protecting coins. He said jewelers use a
> spray called "Clear." He said they use it to keep items from tarnishing
> and for people that are allergic to certain metals... Any thoughts on
> using this?

    Never heard of it, but I've been told that clear nail polish
accomplishes the same thing.

> and will let you know when and where... One new picture I'll get on the
> site this week will be the DIsney "Dalmation" penny (correct spelling is

    WHERE did you get one of these?!?  I want one!!

        Peace,

            Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 20:29:31 -0700 (PDT)


On Mon, 11 Aug 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> I just got some pennies from the Jackson Zoo. We'll have to compare our
> Zoo collections and see how far this re-use of artwork goes...

    I believe Kathy has images of all of the Dallas and Ft. Worth
coins on The Penny Page.  http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 11 Aug 1997 20:32:30 -0700 (PDT)


On Mon, 11 Aug 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> On 8/11/97 12:08 AM Matthew Birchard ([e-mail] ) wrote
>
> > Anyway, the animals are exactly the same also.  Of
> >course the designs are from the same engraver, Vance Fowler
<snip>
> Thanks again for this information on Vance. I wish all Eurolink engravers
> used some way of identifying themselves...

    I must have missed something in Matt's message.  How do you know
they're Fowler dies, Matt?  As far as I know the only ID on Eurolink dies
is the 'e' they started adding last year.

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication + Stone Zoo in Mass.
Date: 11 Aug 1997 20:36:17 -0700 (PDT)


On Mon, 11 Aug 1997, Jeff Dixon wrote:

> The sea otter design is EXACTLY the same as the one in Canary Row in
> California.  Also, the

    That's REALLY strange because the Monterey Sea Otter coin is in a
San Francisco Penny Machine Company machine!  Hmmm......

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Knotts Berry Farm (was: locations)
Date: 11 Aug 1997 20:39:49 -0700 (PDT)


On Mon, 11 Aug 1997, zinful wrote:

> O.K  I justed talked to someone at Knotts and the summer hours go thru Aug
> however during the weekends in Sept the park is open til 10:00 pm and you
> can still get the 1/2 price at that time.  And this discounted price starts
> at 4:00 pm.  (hope she was right).

    Well, I wasn't planning on being there before 6:00 as I'm going
to be running around the LA area all day.  If anyone else (besides tink)
is interested in meeting there Saturday evening, let me know off-list and
we'll work out a meet spot/time.

> If you go please get me the Camp Snoopy pressed quarter if machine is

    Note made.  Will do if possible!

        Peace,

            Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) We Could Be Famous!
Date: 11 Aug 1997 20:44:39 -0700 (PDT)


On Mon, 11 Aug 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> I want to get all of your reactions to this. The San Diego Union/Tribune
> newspaper (our major paper) wants to do a story on my EC's and on the

    Awesome!  How'd they stumble across you?

> 1) We could invite their writer to join those of us going to Disneyland...

    Great idea!  The trade session would be best for him as it should
have the most people, doesn't have to pay for the park and he'll get to
see a large number of coins.

> 2) We could come up with some ways to use the interview to support TEC
> recruiting... (including the new Secretary's address, pointing them to
> the sign up form I am adding to my web page, etc.) I need to find the new
> Sec address...

    If you don't get the new Secretary's address go ahead and give
him Howard's.  Howard is doing his best to maintain his duties as long as
possible.

>
> 3) We could see if the reporter could get the Aloha and SF Penny
> companies to give out locations...
>

    I dunno that he'd have much more pull then us, but it's certainly
worth giving him the contact info and having him call 'em.  Also, sending
a copy of the article along with a request for the info could help.

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) We Could Be Famous!
Date: 11 Aug 1997 21:01:30 -0700

On 8/11/97 8:44 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>
>    I dunno that he'd have much more pull then us, but it's certainly
>worth giving him the contact info and having him call 'em.  Also, sending
>a copy of the article along with a request for the info could help.
>
>        Peace,
>
>            Aahz

It probably makes sense to send a copy of the article to Corey to see if
it is worth including - or at least mentioning...

My sister works for ABC News and wanted them to do the story. They said
it was not the right material, so she called a friend at the Union and
wants to talk tomorrow.

Thanks Chris for your thoughts! What does everyone else think? Any
problem if a writer comes to the trading session at Disneyland (and yes I
will post the Disneyland trip info here ASAP!).

bc



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) We Could Be Famous!
Date: 11 Aug 1997 20:58:35 -0700 (PDT)


On Mon, 11 Aug 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> My sister works for ABC News and wanted them to do the story. They said

    ABC?  That's Disney news!!  They should ask Mickey what he thinks
before turning this down.  Hell, Disney may just own Eurolink too for all
I know!

        Peace,

            Aahz

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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication + Stone Zoo in Mass.
Date: 11 Aug 1997 21:11:12 -0700

On 8/11/97 8:36 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>> The sea otter design is EXACTLY the same as the one in Canary Row in
>> California.  Also, the
>
>    That's REALLY strange because the Monterey Sea Otter coin is in a
>San Francisco Penny Machine Company machine!  Hmmm......

This is getting juicy!

Can we get some scanned images of these coins? I would love to post them
on my web site for all to compare. (Please send JPEG's or GIF's to me at
[e-mail])

We should pursue this a bit further. Find out who the engraver was... See
if these companies are using the same engravers (outsourcing is the wave
of the 90's)...

bc



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication + Stone Zoo in Mass.
Date: 11 Aug 1997 21:16:29 -0700 (PDT)


On Mon, 11 Aug 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> Can we get some scanned images of these coins? I would love to post them

    The Monterey Otter is available on The Penny Page.  You'll have
to talk to Jeff about the other.

        Peace,

            Aahz

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) wooden cents
Date: 12 Aug 1997 00:54:32 -0400 (EDT)

Doesn anyone collect woden Cents?
I have one from Cecil County MD.
Liz



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) wooden cents
Date: 11 Aug 1997 22:01:15 -0700 (PDT)


On Tue, 12 Aug 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> Doesn anyone collect woden Cents?
> I have one from Cecil County MD.

    I collect wooden money, but only souvenir and coin club/show
issues.  If this one fits those categories, drop me a private e-mail.

        Peace,

            Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Roller sigs
Date: 11 Aug 1997 22:44:47 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings and Salutations!

    The following list of roller 'sigs' was lifted from Lee Martin's
"Today's Elongateds":

DA - Don Adams
EA - Elmer Anderson
JB - J. Hanna Brown
DC - Danny Crabb
MM - Mary Eggleston
BG - Brownie Gill
G - Eric Goodman
HE - House of Elongateds
RWJ - Ralph W. Jobe
RJ - Ralph Jones
C7 - Betty Kirby & R. Skaritka
SAK - Sally Kirka
DD - Dottie Dow
LCS - Lido Coin Shop
L - Luchtman
N&RM - Norman & Ruth MacQuithy
LM - Lee Martin
GM - Gus Meccarello
JM - Jack Meccarello
CMR - Chester Rogers
AR - Angelo Rosato
DS - Don Sabo
JGS - John G. Spadone
DESCO - David Stoicheff
BCS - Bruce Sumner
LW - Lloyd Wagaman


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) We Could Be Famous!
Date: 12 Aug 1997 01:52:02 -0400 (EDT)

Sounds good.
Don't forget to give him or her a few cool coins as souveniers.
Try hard to get him to mention your URL, make-up a business card if possible.

MM



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Invitation - Mailing List Disneyland Meeting
Date: 11 Aug 1997 23:02:00 -0700

-=-=-=-=-=-=-                       -=-=-=-=-=-=-
-=-=-=-=-=-=- JOIN US AT DISNEYLAND -=-=-=-=-=-=-
-=-=-=-=-=-=-                       -=-=-=-=-=-=-


The 1st Ever Elongates Mailing List Meeting

Trading * Smashing * Story Telling * Rides * Food * Fun

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=


8:45am - 9:00am  - Belisle's Restaurant (Introductions and Breakfast).
12001 Harbor Blvd, Garden Grove, CA. A short drive from
Disneyland, it's on a corner, parking on the side.
Belisle's ((BELL EYE-EL's)) was established in 1955, same
year as Disneyland (July 17th). Back then the whole area was
orange groves... The food is great and the portions
are HUGE! Maybe they'll make us some special elongated
pancakes!  8-)

~10:00am - Enter Disneyland.
We will meet at the left most turn style (as you face
the park). First stop will be the Train Station (be sure
to bring a pre-82 for this older machine).

10:00am - 1:00pm -  Collect Disneyland coins.
Smashing (rolling, elongating...) at Penny Arcade, and
all the other locations. Bring any special coins such as
pre-82 pennies, silver quarters, Steelies, etc.

1:00pm - 1:15pm - Head to Disneyland Hotel (Lunch and Trading)
We will meet in the lobby of the Disneyland Hotel, then select a place
for lunch, and a trade session. If you don't want to come to Disneyland,
you can come to the lunch and trade session, just park at the Disneyland
Hotel (this is the original Hotel, not the Disneyland Pacific next door).
For those of us coming from the park, we can get our trading stock out of
the park lockers and take the monorail to the Hotel. We will leave word
with the Disneyland Hotel Front Desk where we will be for lunch and our
trading session.

~2:15 Return to park for more coins, rides, fun...

~6:00 Rendezvous at the end of Main Street, in the circle by the statues
of Walt and Mickey.
Some of us will go to dinner from here, others may want to head out...

We are not trying to overly structure the day, just offer everyone
several times/places to join up with the group.

I'd like to get a count for Belisle's so we can have tables ready. Please
let me know if you are coming to the park at 10am (so we can wait for
everyone) or at a latter time (Lunch/Trading, or dinner). We look forward
to seeing you there!



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) We Could Be Famous!
Date: 11 Aug 1997 23:06:07 -0700

On 8/11/97 10:52 PM [e-mail] ([e-mail] ) wrote

>Sounds good.
>Don't forget to give him or her a few cool coins as souveniers.
>Try hard to get him to mention your URL, make-up a business card if possible.
>
>MM

Great ideas! I'll put together some coins for s/he to keep. We are also
thinking of asking the writer to join us for all or part of our
Disneyland trip...

If this works out well (the article), maybe we could see what other
cities we could get papers to do stories in (Chicago, Boston, Orlando,
Dallas...).

Bert



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Organizing Quarters + Clear Spray
Date: 12 Aug 1997 01:59:20 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 8/12/97 1:22:16 PM , you write:

<< > I asked the shop owner about protecting coins. He said jewelers use a
 > spray called "Clear." He said they use it to keep items from tarnishing
 > and for people that are allergic to certain metals... Any thoughts on
 > using this?

     Never heard of it, but I've been told that clear nail polish
 accomplishes the same thing. >>

Nail polish is a thick Lacquer. I found that it goes on too thick and it
obscures some detail. I use spray lacquer. it takes a little practice to get
it on evenly, but the pennies look great. Polish them first then let them
tarnish for a day to loose the pink look.

Mickey M
TEC Cyberling 2115



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) wooden cents
Date: 12 Aug 1997 02:03:01 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 8/12/97 1:56:36 PM , you write:

<< Doesn anyone collect woden Cents?
 I have one from Cecil County MD.
 Liz >>

I did, but the image came out very poor after I ran it through the machine.
In fact, it is hard to see it in the pile of sawdust.
:)



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) "How Elongated Coins Are Made"
Date: 11 Aug 1997 23:14:11 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings and Salutations!

    The question of how dies are made has come up a few times on the
list.  I recently purchased some coins from Don Adams (a former roller)
and he included several pages of information on elongates as well.  The
following is excerpted from "Today's Elongateds" by Lee Martin.  Bear in
mind that this book was published in the early 80s, so any references to
"current" is actually quite dated.

    "Some rollers have their dies made by engravers; others use the
services of Robert Luchtman with his fine photo-milling technique and a
few hand engrave their dies.  The latter is an involved process in which
the artist actually cuts steel and produces a masterpiece in miniature.

    "The photo fabrication (photo milling) technique is relatively
new.  Images tend to be somewhat lower on the coins than on pantograph
releases.  The photo processes allow intricate details, lots of type and
inexpensive dies to be produced.

    "The pantograph machine is actually a broad term that could be
divided into two dimensions or three dimensions.  Many of the fine
quality old elongates which have a lot of depth were made on three
dimensional pantographs.  The vast majority of all pantograph issues are
made with two dimensions.  Width and height are the two dimensions and a
third, depth, covers the difference between the two......A pantograph is
actually a machine with a stylus and a cutting tip.  The operator traces
a raised image or a grooved image with the stylus and it is mechanically
reduced and automatically cut into the steel die.

    "Once the die is available, it is a matter of inserting it into
the machine.  Some machines are very involved and may take half an hour
before accurate pressure has been adjusted.  Usually several coins must
be wasted before a proper impression has been made.  The hand-operated
machine is cranked via a long handle and muscle is required in production
of elongateds.  Only a few rollers have elctricity added to their
machines.  No problem exists other than the time required to insert coins
manually.  There is a definite waste of material caused by improper
insertion, inadequate pressures and sometimes bad coins.

    "There are methods of making elongateds.  Some individuals run
coins through jewler mills and then have presses strike the coins to
create an unusual elongated.  Simulated elongateds are usually made on
purchased copper blanks similar in shape to the recognized oval coins.
Hand engraving on an individual blank is known but obviously the mintages
are limited.  Cast elongateds are also on the market."



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~






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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Error Coins?
Date: 11 Aug 1997 23:25:07 -0700

Greetings,

What do you all think about error elongated coins (E2C)?

I found a Frank Brazzell machine in Hawaii and it gave me an error coin -
once. I could not get it to reproduce another error. Frank built them
right! The one I got had the image starting half way down the elongated
penny. I think it is cool, no real value to anyone else, just fun as a
variant. I know in numismatic circle's "errors" can be very sought after
(double strikes, etc).

Anyone have any error coins. Where did they come from? Do you have any
for trading? Let's hear descriptions of what is out there.

bc



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Error Coins?
Date: 11 Aug 1997 23:23:10 -0700 (PDT)


On Mon, 11 Aug 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> right! The one I got had the image starting half way down the elongated

    I have several coins like these of varying degree.  Frankly, I
don't really like them as you lose the image and the point of the coin.

> Anyone have any error coins. Where did they come from? Do you have any
> for trading? Let's hear descriptions of what is out there.

    The error coin I have that I really like is a mirror image that I
recently purchased from Tony Dinto.  When a die is cut the image needs to
be mirrored so that it comes out correctly on the elongate (if you're not
sure what I mean by this look at a rubber stamp).  The coin I have is by
Frank Brazzell and the die was not cut as a mirror image so the elongate
has the mirror.  The coin is a Merry Christmas issue which I normally
don't collect, but this was too 'unique' to pass up.

    Of course, I'd be willing to trade it for a set of 'Dalmation'
coins from DL which are, in my opinion, the most sought after error
elongates around.

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





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From: Matthew Birchard <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 12 Aug 1997 01:34:52 -0700 (PDT)

> > Thanks again for this information on Vance. I wish all Eurolink engravers
> > used some way of identifying themselves...
>
>     I must have missed something in Matt's message.  How do you know
> they're Fowler dies, Matt?  As far as I know the only ID on Eurolink dies
> is the 'e' they started adding last year.

To answer the question as to how I know they are Vance Fowler's dies:  I
purchased a number of the coins from his father, who lives in Salem,
Oregon.  This was a number of years ago, but the Senior Fowler had
bunches of Vance's dies that were no longer in service or out of
rotation.  Anyway, I know that Vance has the machines at the Washington
Park Zoo (Portland, Oregon), because the machine has his business address
on it, plus of course, the designs are the same.  He doesn't initial his
work (usually), but he does good work which can usually be decerned from
some of the lower quality engravings that other local engravers do.  Plus
(if the above weren't enough), Vance Fowler pretty much has a monopoly on
the machines in this area.  So is he somehow hooked up with this company
Eurolink?  I was under the impression that his copany was called the
Cimeter Group, or something similar.

Matt Birchard
TEC# 1848
Portland, Oregon
USA

e-mail:  [e-mail]



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From: Bob Fritsch <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) We Could Be Famous!
Date: 12 Aug 1997 05:57:37 -0400

Chris Aahz wrote:
> > 2) We could come up with some ways to use the interview to support TEC
> > recruiting... (including the new Secretary's address, pointing them to
> > the sign up form I am adding to my web page, etc.) I need to find the new
> > Sec address...
>
>         If you don't get the new Secretary's address go ahead and give
> him Howard's.  Howard is doing his best to maintain his duties as long as
> possible.

Howard is extermely sick with terminal cancer and has refused
treatment.  As his demise is near  :(  recommend that you use Treasurer
Anita Zell's address (with her permission of course).  Her phone # is
listed on http://www2.switchboard.com/

Regards,

Bob Fritsch
mailto:[e-mail]



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From: Bob Fritsch <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink design duplication
Date: 12 Aug 1997 06:01:15 -0400

Just think, this could be opening a whole new vista for elongated
collectors:  Die linkages.  These have been used for years to
authenticate ancient coins in particular and early US also.  Keep up
this interesting thread!

Regards,

Bob Fritsch
mailto:[e-mail]



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From: David Shapiro <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) "How Elongated Coins Are Made"
Date: 12 Aug 1997 07:10:19 -0400

Hi, my name is David Shapiro.  Will, and some other people here know me.
I don't really send messages often,
But, anyway, what is the new TEC secretary's address, I was about too
send in my application.
Also, I reccomend all of you to join COINMASTERS.  A free online club.
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/9980/
GET READY FOR THE TIME OF YOUR LIFE.  REMEMBER, ALL OF YOU SHOULD DO IT
AND YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO START A ELONGATE CENTER THERE!!!
Dave.
--

David Shapiro
[e-mail]
http://www.geocities.com/EnchantedForest/6340


Chris Aahz wrote:
>
> Greetings and Salutations!
>
>         The question of how dies are made has come up a few times on the
> list.  I recently purchased some coins from Don Adams (a former roller)
> and he included several pages of information on elongates as well.  The
> following is excerpted from "Today's Elongateds" by Lee Martin.  Bear in
> mind that this book was published in the early 80s, so any references to
> "current" is actually quite dated.
>
>         "Some rollers have their dies made by engravers; others use the
> services of Robert Luchtman with his fine photo-milling technique and a
> few hand engrave their dies.  The latter is an involved process in which
> the artist actually cuts steel and produces a masterpiece in miniature.
>
>         "The photo fabrication (photo milling) technique is relatively
> new.  Images tend to be somewhat lower on the coins than on pantograph
> releases.  The photo processes allow intricate details, lots of type and
> inexpensive dies to be produced.
>
>         "The pantograph machine is actually a broad term that could be
> divided into two dimensions or three dimensions.  Many of the fine
> quality old elongates which have a lot of depth were made on three
> dimensional pantographs.  The vast majority of all pantograph issues are
> made with two dimensions.  Width and height are the two dimensions and a
> third, depth, covers the difference between the two......A pantograph is
> actually a machine with a stylus and a cutting tip.  The operator traces
> a raised image or a grooved image with the stylus and it is mechanically
> reduced and automatically cut into the steel die.
>
>         "Once the die is available, it is a matter of inserting it into
> the machine.  Some machines are very involved and may take half an hour
> before accurate pressure has been adjusted.  Usually several coins must
> be wasted before a proper impression has been made.  The hand-operated
> machine is cranked via a long handle and muscle is required in production
> of elongateds.  Only a few rollers have elctricity added to their
> machines.  No problem exists other than the time required to insert coins
> manually.  There is a definite waste of material caused by improper
> insertion, inadequate pressures and sometimes bad coins.
>
>         "There are methods of making elongateds.  Some individuals run
> coins through jewler mills and then have presses strike the coins to
> create an unusual elongated.  Simulated elongateds are usually made on
> purchased copper blanks similar in shape to the recognized oval coins.
> Hand engraving on an individual blank is known but obviously the mintages
> are limited.  Cast elongateds are also on the market."
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>           Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
> The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
> List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
> Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
> "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

--

David Shapiro
[e-mail]
http://www.geocities.com/EnchantedForest/6340



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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Error Coins?
Date: 12 Aug 1997 08:43:25 -0400

I have an error I love you coin from New Jersey.  The penny starts half way
down.  What's better is I didn't have to squish it!
It was on the ground near the machine.  Someone probably thought the
machine was busted and threw the coin down in disgust!

- Jeff

At 11:25 PM 8/11/97 -0700, Bert Creighton wrote:
>Greetings,
>
>What do you all think about error elongated coins (E2C)?
>
>I found a Frank Brazzell machine in Hawaii and it gave me an error coin -
>once. I could not get it to reproduce another error. Frank built them
>right! The one I got had the image starting half way down the elongated
>penny. I think it is cool, no real value to anyone else, just fun as a
>variant. I know in numismatic circle's "errors" can be very sought after
>(double strikes, etc).
>
>Anyone have any error coins. Where did they come from? Do you have any
>for trading? Let's hear descriptions of what is out there.
>
>bc
>
>
 -----------------------------------------------------------------
Jeff Dixon                [e-mail]
Software Engineer/Memory Czar
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence      http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) We Could Be Famous!
Date: 12 Aug 1997 08:32:48 -0700 (PDT)


On Tue, 12 Aug 1997, Bob Fritsch wrote:

> Howard is extermely sick with terminal cancer and has refused
> treatment.  As his demise is near  :(  recommend that you use Treasurer
> Anita Zell's address (with her permission of course).  Her phone # is
> listed on http://www2.switchboard.com/

    I'm aware of Howard's illness, but have no way of knowing how
he's doing on a daily basis.  The reason I recommended continuing to use
his address IF we can't get Adelle's (although Corey should be able to
provide it easily enough) is because I just got a letter from 'Nita
saying that Howard is going to continue his duties as Secretary as long
as possible and Adelle is essentially "waiting in the wings".

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) We Could Be Famous!
Date: 12 Aug 1997 11:40:47 -0400

Can we do something to show him how much he's been a big part of the
industry?  How about a big coin gathering?  Everybody on the list
sending in a coin or two?

- Jeff

At 08:32 AM 8/12/97 -0700, you wrote:
>
>On Tue, 12 Aug 1997, Bob Fritsch wrote:
>
>> Howard is extermely sick with terminal cancer and has refused
>> treatment.  As his demise is near  :(
[snip]


 -----------------------------------------------------------------
Jeff Dixon                [e-mail]
Software Engineer/Memory Czar
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence      http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Howard (was: We Could Be Famous!)
Date: 12 Aug 1997 08:53:32 -0700 (PDT)



On Tue, 12 Aug 1997, Jeff Dixon wrote:

> Can we do something to show him how much he's been a big part of the
> industry?  How about a big coin gathering?  Everybody on the list
> sending in a coin or two?

    A gathering wouldn't really help as he would be unable to
unattend.  However, I'm sure that any cards and letters would be more
then welcome.  And if you want to throw in a couple elongates that would
probably bring a smile to his face as well.

    For any who don't have it handy, his address is:

Howard Sharkey
TEC Secretary
203 S. Gladiolus
Momence, IL 60954-1709

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Error Coins?
Date: 12 Aug 1997 15:19:02 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 8/11/97 11:19:32 PM , you write:

<< Anyone have any error coins. Where did they come from? Do you have any
 for trading? Let's hear descriptions of what is out there. >>

I have a coin(s) from Marine World in Vallejo , CA. Two coins tried to go
through at the same time, the image of the tiger is overlapped on both coins.



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) We Could Be Famous!
Date: 12 Aug 1997 15:42:48 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 8/12/97 8:35:42 AM , you write:

Apparently Howard is still moving along. I've been trading with him and he's
sending me nice notes with Squashed Penny Museum postcards.

<<     I'm aware of Howard's illness, but have no way of knowing how
 he's doing on a daily basis.  The reason I recommended continuing to use
 his address IF we can't get Adelle's (although Corey should be able to
 provide it easily enough) is because I just got a letter from 'Nita
 saying that Howard is going to continue his duties as Secretary as long
 as possible and Adelle is essentially "waiting in the wings".
  >>




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Error Coins?
Date: 12 Aug 1997 16:25:59 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-08-12 02:19:32 EDT, you write:

> Anyone have any error coins. Where did they come from? Do you have any
>  for trading? Let's hear descriptions of what is out there.
>
>  bc
>

Hi;

Yes, I have some.

We were rolling a set of Snow White EC's on a machine that said "Out of
order" (like that would stop us?) :-).  Anyway, got a few to work but had to
quit when my daughter and I both tried to "help" each other.  Wound up with
two cents in-between the rollers at one time.  Yep, the machine really did
stop and so did we. :-(  Next time, I'll let my 11 year old alone.  Hmmm,
Disneyanna errors...... $-)

-Bob and Anastasia Hoff
TEC#2033 and 2121J



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Mail Bomb explanation
Date: 12 Aug 1997 16:26:17 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-08-11 22:54:40 EDT, you write:

>     Again, I apologize and assure you all that this will not happen
>  again. Now you know why it happened.  The good news is that I learned a
>  lot about how majordomo works and now understand how the digest works.
>
>          Peace,
>
>              Aahz
>

HI Aahz!

I am real thankful for the work you are doing!!!
I don't mind if I get a little "exta" mail now and then :-).  Better than no
mail!

Once, a very very long time ago... I too had a software problem.  It started
when I got my first PC and it hasn't stopped yet. :-)  I'd say if this is the
only glitch, you're doing real well.

-Bob Hoff



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Knotts Berry Farm (was: locations)
Date: 12 Aug 1997 16:27:47 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-08-11 21:33:59 EDT, you write:

> O.K  I justed talked to someone at Knotts and the summer hours go thru Aug
>  however during the weekends in Sept the park is open til 10:00 pm and you
>  can still get the 1/2 price at that time.  And this discounted price
starts
>  at 4:00 pm.  (hope she was right).
>  If you go please get me the Camp Snoopy pressed quarter if machine is
>  operating.  Thanks.  Also I will send you a map of all machine locations.
>  Gina
>
>

Hi All!

I believe Gina is right on the time of 4:00PM for the discounted admission.
Please also note that the gerneral make up of the guests may change in the
evenings.  If you are taking the kids, I suggest the AM.

-Bob Hoff
TEC#2033



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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Re: Elongated coin locations
Date: 12 Aug 1997 17:03:37 -0400

I sent Eurolink mail saying why haven't you released your locations?  Here
is there response:

- Jeff

>From: [e-mail]
>Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 12:39:17 -0400 (EDT)
>To: [e-mail]
>Subject: Re: Elongated coin locations
>
>Thanks for your e-mail. Because we are the largest manufacturer of the
>elongated coins and have a very heavy production schedule it will take some
>time to get a list together of all our locations. Be patient, we're working
>on it.
>
>
 -----------------------------------------------------------------
Jeff Dixon                [e-mail]
Software Engineer/Memory Czar
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence      http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154



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From: tony dinto <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Eurolink
Date: 12 Aug 1997 17:45:13 +0000

Hi,
 The interesting part of the reply to Jeff is " heavy production
schedule". What does the amount of machines they are making have to
do about where they are??. Does Eurolink own the machines , do they
lease them, or are they sold outright?? The first 2 options would
tell me that they know right where the machines are. # 3 makes it
anyones guess.
Tony



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink
Date: 12 Aug 1997 15:59:38 -0700

On 8/12/97 10:45 AM tony dinto ([e-mail] ) wrote

>Hi,
> The interesting part of the reply to Jeff is " heavy production
>schedule". What does the amount of machines they are making have to
>do about where they are??. Does Eurolink own the machines , do they
>lease them, or are they sold outright?? The first 2 options would
>tell me that they know right where the machines are. # 3 makes it
>anyones guess.
>Tony

Tony,

Eurolink does indeed own the machines. They also service some, but not
all of their machines. When you think about the large number of locations
they are in, that's a lot of work...

I am confident Eurolink will continue to work on their location list. I
want to see if we can get some info from the Aloha Penny Company, San
Francisco Penny Company, and the other dealers and rollers out there. If
you have some free time, you could start working on these folks to share
their locations with us.

I am just about done with a major new update to my web site (rollers,
dealers, designers...). This should help us locate the people that are
placing the machines as well as rollers working out of their home or
office.

Bert



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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) We Could Be Famous!
Date: 12 Aug 1997 21:27:48 -0400

Bert Creighton wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I want to get all of your reactions to this. The San Diego Union/Tribune
> newspaper (our major paper) wants to do a story on my EC's and on the
> hobby. I want to get your thoughts before I call them back tomorrow. Here
> are a few of my thoughts off the top of my head:
>
> 1) We could invite their writer to join those of us going to Disneyland...
>
> 2) We could come up with some ways to use the interview to support TEC
> recruiting... (including the new Secretary's address, pointing them to
> the sign up form I am adding to my web page, etc.) I need to find the new
> Sec address...
>
> 3) We could see if the reporter could get the Aloha and SF Penny
> companies to give out locations...
> DEFINITELY sic the reporter on the companies.  I can't think of ANY good
reason why these companies wouldn't want all of us with quarters in our
grubby little fingers to know where every single one of their machines
are.  Especially here in the Northeast where the machines seem to be
kind of sparce.

C-U

Ben Lavine
>
> Bert



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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Error Coins?
Date: 12 Aug 1997 21:38:52 -0400

Bert Creighton wrote:
>
> Greetings,
>
> What do you all think about error elongated coins (E2C)?
>
> I found a Frank Brazzell machine in Hawaii and it gave me an error coin -
> once. I could not get it to reproduce another error. Frank built them
> right! The one I got had the image starting half way down the elongated
> penny. I think it is cool, no real value to anyone else, just fun as a
> variant. I know in numismatic circle's "errors" can be very sought after
> (double strikes, etc).
>
> Anyone have any error coins. Where did they come from? Do you have any
> for trading? Let's hear descriptions of what is out there.
>
> bc

I have a few errors from the Miami Seaquarium (Hand rolled, four dies.
Unk. mfg.)  No problem getting it to duplicate the errors. They had some
joker working on the machine who just couldn't seem to get it right!

Ben Lavine



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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Organizing Quarters + Clear Spray
Date: 12 Aug 1997 21:35:32 -0400

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> In a message dated 8/12/97 1:22:16 PM , you write:
>
> << > I asked the shop owner about protecting coins. He said jewelers use a
>  > spray called "Clear." He said they use it to keep items from tarnishing
>  > and for people that are allergic to certain metals... Any thoughts on
>  > using this?
>
>         Never heard of it, but I've been told that clear nail polish
>  accomplishes the same thing. >>
>
> Nail polish is a thick Lacquer. I found that it goes on too thick and it
> obscures some detail. I use spray lacquer. it takes a little practice to get
> it on evenly,

I use a spray acrylic.  I find it very easy to get a smooth even coat.

Ben Lavine



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Vance Fowler
Date: 12 Aug 1997 18:52:34 -0700 (PDT)


On Tue, 12 Aug 1997, Matthew Birchard wrote:

> the machines in this area.  So is he somehow hooked up with this company
> Eurolink?  I was under the impression that his copany was called the
> Cimeter Group, or something similar.

    Thanx for all the info on Vance.  Nothing I've seen thus far
links him with Eurolink.  I think the threads got a little crossed
essentially because both Vance and Eurolink are doing the same thing
(duplicatig images on different dies).  Of course, if you have any scans
of your zoo coins you could e-mail we could compare Vance's critters to
Eurolink's critters.

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) "How Elongated Coins Are Made"
Date: 12 Aug 1997 18:55:00 -0700 (PDT)


On Tue, 12 Aug 1997, David Shapiro wrote:

> But, anyway, what is the new TEC secretary's address, I was about too
> send in my application.

    Okay, I asked Crey for the new Secretary's address and he replied
that Howard should still be sent all Secretary-related correspondence,
including new-member applications.  So, David, you should have Howard's
address on the application.  And welcome to TEC!

            Peace,

                Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Error Coins?
Date: 12 Aug 1997 18:57:58 -0700 (PDT)


On Tue, 12 Aug 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> I have a coin(s) from Marine World in Vallejo , CA. Two coins tried to go


    Marine World DOES have machines?!?  ARRRGGHHHH!!!  I was in
Vallejo about a month ago and asked two of the employees at the front
gate if they had any machines (even showed them an elongate) and they
both assured me that there were none!!!!  Guess I shoulda just paid my
$28 and looked around myself.

    It's so hard to find good help these days.

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~




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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Knotts Berry Farm (was: locations)
Date: 12 Aug 1997 19:03:49 -0700 (PDT)


On Tue, 12 Aug 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> I believe Gina is right on the time of 4:00PM for the discounted admission.
> Please also note that the gerneral make up of the guests may change in the
> evenings.  If you are taking the kids, I suggest the AM.

    Thanx for the warning, Bob.  Of course, at the moment it looks
like just Nikki and I.  More than likely we fit into the night group
better then they day group 8-0

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
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From: "tink!!!" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Knotts Berry Farm (was: locations)
Date: 12 Aug 1997 19:11:01 -0700

>         Thanx for the warning, Bob.  Of course, at the moment it
> looks like just Nikki and I.  More than likely we fit into the night
> group better then they day group 8-0

just promise no vampire slaying...ok, chris;>

-nikki
--
"There's still a part of me that's
16 and I'm going to nuture it"-Keith Richards
http://www.concentric.net/~dvlgrl66/
dc.d f--- s+ h+ cbryteG^wP a $ (m) d++ fr+ L<1m bF e g i!



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: Elongated coin locations
Date: 12 Aug 1997 19:07:22 -0700 (PDT)


On Tue, 12 Aug 1997, Jeff Dixon wrote:

> I sent Eurolink mail saying why haven't you released your locations?  Here
> is there response:
<snip>

    At least you got a response!!  I haven't received a response and
have e-mailed them once a month since January.  So, the good news is they
are at least pretending to be working on the concept.  This is definetly
progress.  Although, frankly I'm amazed they don't have a computer file
with all of the locations listed.  On the other hand, they just may have
such a thing but want/need to strip out all of the other attached data.
If they've got, say 1000 locations, then just typing the list itself
would take some serious time (especially considering it's a non-revenue
producing project).

            Peace,

                Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Knotts Berry Farm (was: locations)
Date: 12 Aug 1997 19:17:52 -0700 (PDT)


On Tue, 12 Aug 1997, tink!!! wrote:

> just promise no vampire slaying...ok, chris;>

    Well, there goes my fun!  I'll promise no staking if you promise
no neck-biting.  Hmmm.....on second thought I haven't been bit for
months.....

;)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





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From: Bob Fritsch <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Error Coins?
Date: 12 Aug 1997 22:55:34 -0400

> << Anyone have any error coins. Where did they come from?

At the TEC Booth at ANA, we had a coffee can full of errors.  Sometimes
a coin just doesn't catch or there's not enough pressure and we don't
want to give them to the public (damaged goods).  There are those who
thrive on errors and paw through that can to their heart's content.  Of
course we charge a bit for those coins (2 cents or 5 cents, maybe both,
can't remember).

One more reason to hit the ANA when it's in your neighborhood.  ;>

Regards,

Bob Fritsch
TEC #1871
mailto:[e-mail]



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) E-mail to newsgroup transfer
Date: 12 Aug 1997 19:56:58 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings and Salutations!

    I just realised that I have no way to transfer Bert's DL Meet
invitation into alt.disney.disneyland.  Does anyone else here have the
capability to transfer mail to a newsgroup post?  I really don't want to
type the whole message over again if I don't have to.

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





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From: "zinful" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Error Coins?
Date: 12 Aug 1997 18:53:53 -0000

Bert wrote:
> >Anyone have any error coins. Where did they come from? Do you have any
> >for trading? Let's hear descriptions of what is out there.
> >bc

I have a quarter from Disneyland thats pretty strange.  About a 1/4 of the
quarter is not squished at all then where it begins to get pressed it is
blank (about 1/4" w/ no design) the design starts about 1/2 way down the
elongated quarter.  I believe it is a character from "The Hunchback..."
which only shows the upper body since it is cut off.  This character is a
gypsy woman-does anybody know who she is?

Oh yeah when I was in San Diego at the Big Dipper Roller coaster (Mission
Beach) I know you know where that is Bert (I used to live in M.B.)  Anyway,
in that machine I saw a really, really long elongated penny.  It looked
like two pennies went in at the same time and produced this extra long
version which was laying inside the machine next to the gears.  I asked the
cashier if she had any way to get it, of course she did not. I should have
pursued.  We'll i know this is long-gotta go, Gina




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From: "zinful" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Invitation - Mailing List Disneyland Meeting
Date: 12 Aug 1997 19:03:34 -0000


> -=-=-=-=-=-=-                       -=-=-=-=-=-=-
> -=-=-=-=-=-=- JOIN US AT DISNEYLAND -=-=-=-=-=-=-
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-                       -=-=-=-=-=-=-
>
Bert wrote:
> 8:45am - 9:00am  - Belisle's Restaurant (Introductions and Breakfast).
>The food is great and the portions are HUGE>

Huge is right my friend ordered a side of bacon and she must have got a
whole side of ham, there were like 15 pieces!  A little expensive as well.

> I'd like to get a count for Belisle's so we can have tables ready. Please

> let me know if you are coming to the park at 10am (so we can wait for
> everyone) or at a latter time (Lunch/Trading, or dinner). We look forward

> to seeing you there!

Count me in for Lunch Time Trading activities!  See you there :)
Gina



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink
Date: 12 Aug 1997 23:11:41 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-08-12 17:51:14 EDT, you write:

> Hi,
>   The interesting part of the reply to Jeff is " heavy production
>  schedule". What does the amount of machines they are making have to
>  do about where they are??. Does Eurolink own the machines , do they
>  lease them, or are they sold outright?? The first 2 options would
>  tell me that they know right where the machines are. # 3 makes it
>  anyones guess.
>  Tony
>

Hey Tony!

What say we back my truck up to one and see if they miss it?  :-) :-)

-Bob Hoff's evil twin



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink
Date: 12 Aug 1997 23:14:05 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-08-12 17:51:14 EDT, you write:

> Hi,
>   The interesting part of the reply to Jeff is " heavy production
>  schedule". What does the amount of machines they are making have to
>  do about where they are??. Does Eurolink own the machines , do they
>  lease them, or are they sold outright?? The first 2 options would
>  tell me that they know right where the machines are. # 3 makes it
>  anyones guess.
>  Tony
>

Hey Tony!

What say we back my truck up to one and see if they miss it?  :-) :-)

-Bob Hoff's evil twin



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink
Date: 12 Aug 1997 20:24:23 -0700

On 8/12/97 8:11 PM [e-mail] ([e-mail] ) wrote

>Hey Tony!
>
>What say we back my truck up to one and see if they miss it?  :-) :-)
>
>-Bob Hoff's evil twin

They're on wheels, just hook up a rope...

(Bert's evil triplet)  =8-O  =8-O  =8-O



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) E-mail to newsgroup transfer
Date: 12 Aug 1997 20:35:16 -0700

On 8/12/97 7:56 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    I just realised that I have no way to transfer Bert's DL Meet
>invitation into alt.disney.disneyland.  Does anyone else here have the
>capability to transfer mail to a newsgroup post?  I really don't want to
>type the whole message over again if I don't have to.

Led' me try... Take 5 everyone...

bc



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Gina --> Esmeralda
Date: 12 Aug 1997 20:42:48 -0700

On 8/12/97 11:53 AM zinful ([e-mail] ) wrote

>I believe it is a character from "The Hunchback..."
>which only shows the upper body since it is cut off.  This character is a
>gypsy woman-does anybody know who she is?

Hey Gina, good to hear from you.

The image is of Esmeralda. I have one of these on a silver quarter,
really came out nice!

Bert



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Invite to Alt.D.DL
Date: 12 Aug 1997 21:18:32 -0700

On 8/12/97 7:56 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    I just realised that I have no way to transfer Bert's DL Meet
>invitation into alt.disney.disneyland.  Does anyone else here have the
>capability to transfer mail to a newsgroup post?  I really don't want to
>type the whole message over again if I don't have to.

OK, it is there! Here's what I sent...

bc
--
               Disneyland Invitation (Smashed Coins)
         Date:
               Tue, 12 Aug 1997 21:11:31 -0700
        From:
               Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
 Organization:
               @Home Networks
  Newsgroups:
               alt.disney.disneyland




(Background: Members of the Elongated (Coin) Mailing List are having our
first
meeting at Disneyland, and we'd like to extend an invitation to you all.
If
you would like to join us and learn more about Elongated (smashed,
squished,
rolled) coins, just drop an email to [e-mail]. If you would
like
to subscribe to the mailing list (majordomo) point your web browser to
<http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm>  Hope you can join
us!)

-=-=-=-=-=-=-                       -=-=-=-=-=-=-
-=-=-=-=-=-=- JOIN US AT DISNEYLAND -=-=-=-=-=-=-
-=-=-=-=-=-=-                       -=-=-=-=-=-=-


The 1st Ever Elongates Mailing List Meeting

Trading * Smashing * Story Telling * Rides * Food * Fun

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=


8:45am - 9:00am  - Belisle's Restaurant (Introductions and Breakfast).
12001 Harbor Blvd, Garden Grove, CA. A short drive from
Disneyland, it's on a corner, parking on the side.
Belisle's ((BELL EYE-EL's)) was established in 1955, same
year as Disneyland (July 17th). Back then the whole area was
orange groves... The food is great and the portions
are HUGE! Maybe they'll make us some special elongated
pancakes!  8-)

~10:00am - Enter Disneyland.
We will meet at the left most turn style (as you face
the park). First stop will be the Train Station (be sure
to bring a pre-82 for this older machine).

10:00am - 1:00pm -  Collect Disneyland coins.
Smashing (rolling, elongating...) at Penny Arcade, and
all the other locations. Bring any special coins such as
pre-82 pennies, silver quarters, Steelies, etc.

1:00pm - 1:15pm - Head to Disneyland Hotel (Lunch and Trading)
We will meet in the lobby of the Disneyland Hotel, then select a place
for lunch, and a trade session. If you don't want to come to Disneyland,
you can come to the lunch and trade session, just park at the Disneyland
Hotel (this is the original Hotel, not the Disneyland Pacific next door).
For those of us coming from the park, we can get our trading stock out of
the park lockers and take the monorail to the Hotel. We will leave word
with the Disneyland Hotel Front Desk where we will be for lunch and our
trading session.

~2:15 Return to park for more coins, rides, fun...

~6:00 Rendezvous at the end of Main Street, in the circle by the statues
of Walt and Mickey.
Some of us will go to dinner from here, others may want to head out...

We are not trying to overly structure the day, just offer everyone
several times/places to join up with the group.

I'd like to get a count for Belisle's so we can have tables ready. Please
let me know if you are coming to the park at 10am (so we can wait for
everyone) or at a latter time (Lunch/Trading, or dinner). We look forward
to seeing you there!





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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: Elongated coin locations
Date: 13 Aug 1997 00:49:03 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 8/13/97 11:11:21 AM , you write:

<<     At least you got a response!!  I haven't received a response and
 have e-mailed them once a month since January.  So, the good news is they
 are at least pretending to be working on the concept.  This is definetly
 progress.  Although, frankly I'm amazed they don't have a computer file
 with all of the locations listed.  On the other hand, they just may have
 such a thing but want/need to strip out all of the other attached data.
 If they've got, say 1000 locations, then just typing the list itself
 would take some serious time (especially considering it's a non-revenue
 producing project). >>

I wouldn't exactly call it non-revenue. Sure, it's not billable time but it
is an investment.
This list will be posted on a dozen web sites, distributed directly to a
hundred people and downloaded from these web sites by hundreds who will fan
out to hundreds of Eurolink machines and press thousands of coins. Since they
put their machines out on a profit-sharing basis, I can see some profit
there.
     I'm amazed that Eurolink continues to largely ignore a large group of
people who have made a hobby out of their product. It's a almost a Eurolink
Fan Club for cryin out loud and they could care less.  If they collectively
had half of a brain, they would be supporting collectors and help us do a lot
of their advertising for them.

MM
TEC 2115



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: Elongated coin locations
Date: 12 Aug 1997 22:50:29 -0700 (PDT)


On Wed, 13 Aug 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> I wouldn't exactly call it non-revenue. Sure, it's not billable time but it
> is an investment.
<snip>
> Fan Club for cryin out loud and they could care less.  If they collectively
> had half of a brain, they would be supporting collectors and help us do a lot
> of their advertising for them.

    Unfortunately, you're preaching to the choir here.  Perhaps once
we GET the list and they see a positive result from it we will get more
cooperation on future information.

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: Elongated coin locations
Date: 13 Aug 1997 00:15:19 -0700

On 8/12/97 9:49 PM [e-mail] ([e-mail] ) wrote

>If they collectively
>had half of a brain, they would be supporting collectors and help us do a lot
>of their advertising for them.

Greetings All,

I have just updated the Smashed Coin Locator's Engravers/Rollers web
page. It now has over 40 rollers listed, along with some engravers and
designers. Besides machines that are available for our use (Disneyland,
etc) there are many coins from these rollers. We should also consider
getting lists of coins they have available. Anyone want to write them or
call, and send info to this list on what the rollers have available?

bc
Engravers Web Page:
http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/engravers.html



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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Knotts Berry Farm (was: locations)
Date: 13 Aug 1997 08:56:53 -0400

*grin*
>> just promise no vampire slaying...ok, chris;>
>
>    Well, there goes my fun!  I'll promise no staking if you promise
>no neck-biting.  Hmmm.....on second thought I haven't been bit for
>months.....
>
>;)
>

 -----------------------------------------------------------------
Jeff Dixon                [e-mail]
Software Engineer/Memory Czar
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence      http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154



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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Info: Eurolink's service and upkeep on machines
Date: 13 Aug 1997 09:15:10 -0400


When I was at the Stone Zoo, the three penny machine had a problem - the A
button wouldn't work.
I asked the guy at the stand about it and he said a chip had been ordered
from Eurolink.
In the meantime, he had some pressed pennies of design A which he traded me.
I felt bad picking through all the zinc ones, I guess he was never told
about pre-1982 pennies.
Anyways, he was a little more enlightened when I left.  He couldn't believe
that people collect them.
When I told him I had over 250 pennies, he couldn't believe it.

As an aside, he also confirmed that the Franklin Park Zoo also had a
3-choice Eurolink machine.
I'll probably go there in a week or two.

The Stone Zoo machine also has a sign which reads:
"All profits from this machine go to the Stone Zoo."


So, that puts the Boston area up to 9 pennies!
Boston Museum of Science - 2
Stone Zoo                - 3
Franklin Park Zoo        - 3
Boston Aquarium          - 1



If any of the location keepers don't have the specifics on the machines,
send me mail.

- Jeff :)






 -----------------------------------------------------------------
Jeff Dixon                [e-mail]
Software Engineer/Memory Czar
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence      http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: Elongated coin locations
Date: 13 Aug 1997 12:09:39 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-08-12 22:11:21 EDT, you write:

> say 1000 locations, then just typing the list itself
>  would take some serious time (especially considering it's a non-revenue
>  producing project).
>

1,000 locations just one more sale per location..........

I'd suspect someone will offer a "complete set" at a price once all locations
are known.  That would bring in several extra "rolls" of each machine and
goodwill.  Not to mention a machine that brings in foot traffic rather than
living off of the existing foot traffic.

If I were in charge of the company, I would both publish the locations and
offer sets for sale directly (if legally possible).

-Bob



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Knotts Berry Farm (was: locations)
Date: 13 Aug 1997 13:09:44 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-08-13 02:46:44 EDT, you write:

> > I believe Gina is right on the time of 4:00PM for the discounted
admission.
>
>  > Please also note that the gerneral make up of the guests may change in
the
>  > evenings.  If you are taking the kids, I suggest the AM.
>
>      Thanx for the warning, Bob.  Of course, at the moment it looks
>  like just Nikki and I.  More than likely we fit into the night group
>  better then they day group 8-0
>
Sorry Aahz;

I intended to make it a warning to everyone else that might go to the park
when you were there!  :-)  :-D

-Bob Hoff
TEC#2033



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From: Bob Fritsch <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) TEC in NY
Date: 13 Aug 1997 20:49:09 -0400

Working the TEC Booth
=A9 1997 by Robert F. Fritsch  TEC #1871

Every ANA has its own character and the recent one in New York was no exc=
eption. =20
Normally, everything is on one floor in a convention center or similar fa=
cility.  Not so=20
in New York.  The convention was in a hotel, a very nice hotel, world cla=
ss, but a=20
hotel nonetheless.  There were no large rooms to hold the convention, so =
it was on five=20
separate floors.  It was an interesting arrangement but made for a lot of=
 travel between=20
functions.

Normally, TEC is in with all the dealers or in the "club corner" with a r=
oomy area. =20
Not so in New York.  The clubs were stuck out front away from the bourse =
and two=20
people had trouble standing side-by-side in the booths.  My wooden money =
club=20
shared an eight-foot space with TEC.  Luckily, we were able to expand bec=
ause some=20
clubs did not show.  There would not have been enough room otherwise.  We=
=20
happened to be the very first booth from the elevators and escalators, so=
 virtually=20
everybody who went into the bourse passed our table.  As such, TEC was ve=
ry busy=20
and also served as an ad hoc information booth.

I had worked the TEC Booth in Detroit '94 to the exclusion of almost ever=
ything else. =20
I missed several important objectives at that convention and had to play =
catch-up in=20
Denver '96, the next ANA I attended.  As a result I did not have time eno=
ugh to help=20
out at that show.

Ray Dillard came in the day before the convention, and we renewed our fri=
endship in=20
a brief greeting.  Ray normally works the TEC booth from show start until=
 its end and=20
doesn't get to see anything of the rest of the show or the city.  So Gus =
Mecarello and I=20
watched the booth while Ray and his wife and daughter took the NY Tour.  =
There=20
were lots of pre-made elongates so the work was light.  I guess there was=
 not enough=20
copies of TEC News and membership applications as they went quickly and w=
e had=20
none for the rest of the convention.

I had a very heavy schedule Thursday and Friday, and could only drop by a=
nd lend=20
moral support while straightening the wooden money table.  Friday of cour=
se was the=20
annual TEC Board and Membership meetings.  Results of those meetings will=
 be=20
reported in the minutes to be published in TEC News.  It was a nice meeti=
ng but TEC=20
just did not have the attendance in New York like we have had in other pl=
aces.  The=20
auction had good stuff and good prices were realized, but again the compe=
tition was=20
limited.

After a wooden money meeting on Saturday, I went up to the TEC booth to h=
elp out. =20
The place was mobbed and Ray was rolling like mad.  We had run out of pre=
-rolled=20
cents and were rolling on the spot for an insatiable public.  I jumped ri=
ght in and took=20
my turn.  Ray and I spelled each other for the rest of the day.  I don't =
know how many=20
coins got rolled, but there was not a moment to rest.  It seemed that the=
 crowds came=20
when I was on the machine and gone when Ray had it.  Not really though.  =
I developed=20
a little patter, telling how elongates were made and even let a few try i=
t themselves.  It=20
made for a fun and fast afternoon.

I don't know if I will be in Portland next year, but if I am you can bet =
I will be in the=20
TEC booth rolling away when I have the time.





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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Newspaper Article
Date: 13 Aug 1997 21:21:59 -0700

Hi All,

I talked to John Wilkens today. He is a writer for the San Diego
Union/Tribune newspaper. He will be interviewing me about EC's next
Thursday. San DIego is the 7th largest city in the US -- so we should get
some great coverage for the hobby, the Mailing List, our web pages and
for TEC.

I love the suggestions you all sent - thanks! I will be giving John a TEC
membership application, some freebie coins, and an invite to our 7th of
September Disneyland meeting.

Ray Dillard said he would expedite my 2x2 holders (today) so that I can
be sure to have everything neatly organized. The thread on how you all
organized your collections was also useful -  8-)

I have requests for copies of the newspaper when it comes out and so I
will get a stack of them. I assume Pete may want 1 for the SPM, one to
Willy, one to Chris Aahz, one to Howard and one to Corey, and possibly
some others... I should be able to get a electronic copy and post it to
this list.

Thanks for all the suggestions.

Bert
Location Keeper




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Error Coins?
Date: 14 Aug 1997 01:19:25 -0400 (EDT)

I'm in Vallejo at least once per week. I'd go into Marine World to collect
pennies if I could find a way to avoid paying the toll.
Funny thing about elongate machines. They seem to really blend into the
woodwork unless you are looking for them.

In a message dated 8/14/97 1:37:06 PM Tokyo Standard Time, Aahz wrote:
                                                            ^^^^^^ !?!
<<     Marine World DOES have machines?!?  ARRRGGHHHH!!!  I was in
 Vallejo about a month ago and asked two of the employees at the front
 gate if they had any machines (even showed them an elongate) and they
 both assured me that there were none!!!!  Guess I shoulda just paid my
 $28 and looked around myself.

     It's so hard to find good help these days.
  >>




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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Roller info
Date: 13 Aug 1997 22:38:48 -0700 (PDT)


On Wed, 13 Aug 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> page. It now has over 40 rollers listed, along with some engravers and
> designers. Besides machines that are available for our use (Disneyland,
> etc) there are many coins from these rollers. We should also consider
> getting lists of coins they have available. Anyone want to write them or

    I haven't checked out the list yet, but will probably do so this
weekend and send out a few letters of request.  Will happily transcribe
them to the list.  Perhaps we could split up Bert's list and each take a
section?  Say five each?  Anyone interested?

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
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From: "zinful" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Mail Bomb explanation
Date: 13 Aug 1997 21:34:46 -0000



> Bob Hoff wrote:
> I am real thankful for the work you are doing!!!
> I don't mind if I get a little "exta" mail now and then :-).  Better than
no
> mail!
>
I'd say if this is the only glitch, you're doing real well.
>
> -Bob Hoff


I agree with you Bob, keep up the good work Chris!
Gina




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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Eurolink locations
Date: 13 Aug 1997 22:43:21 -0700 (PDT)


On Wed, 13 Aug 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> I'd suspect someone will offer a "complete set" at a price once all locations
> are known.  That would bring in several extra "rolls" of each machine and

    I don't know about this.  That's a pretty mammoth project for one
person to undertake.  I'd be willing to bet that no single Eurolink
employee has been to EVERY location they have.  If we pick a number such
as 1000 locations, how much would you pay for this set?  Assuming they're
all pennies you're looking at an original cost of $510.  Plus the travel
involved.  What would you be willing to pay?

        Peace,

            Aahz


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
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From: "zinful" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Error Coins?
Date: 13 Aug 1997 21:53:21 -0000




> I have a few errors from the Miami Seaquarium (Hand rolled, four dies.
> Unk. mfg.)  No problem getting it to duplicate the errors. They had some
> joker working on the machine who just couldn't seem to get it right!
>
> Ben Lavine

Hi Ben
Do you think you could you stand to let one of those go?
e-mail me [e-mail]  Ben ol' buddy ol' pal. : )
I have quite a few tradables.
Gina



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Error Coins?
Date: 13 Aug 1997 23:10:45 -0700 (PDT)


On Thu, 14 Aug 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> I'm in Vallejo at least once per week. I'd go into Marine World to collect
> pennies if I could find a way to avoid paying the toll.
> Funny thing about elongate machines. They seem to really blend into the
> woodwork unless you are looking for them.

    I had a delivery from SF to Benicia today, so went thru Vallejo
and made sure to curse the employees I spoke with before as I cruised
thru town.  Any idea how late their season runs?  I'd like to go by
there, collect the set and say "Hi" to the critters, but won't be able to
until after the DL meet.

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~




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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) New member boom!
Date: 13 Aug 1997 23:19:07 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings and Salutations!

    Wow!  We had five new members join us today alone!  That's the
largest growth spurt since the second day the list was in operation (when
we got eight). Of course one person was only subscribed for 1 minute and
1 second (Too much traffic? 8-), but I'm still going to count him/her.

    For general information purposes we are edging near 50
s*bscribers!  That's double the number I expected to have.  Actually if
you count the people who have quit the list (lost two in one day with the
mail bomb 8-( ) we've had just over 50.

    The really great news is that I no longer recognize the addresses
of those that join us.  I personally notified most of you about the lists
existence, so recognized your names when you joined.  It's wonderful to
know that people are discovering the list thru other means.

    A big thank you must go out to Kathy for adding the sub page to
her site.  I have a feeling we're getting many people from there.  THANKS
Kathy!!!!!  Also thank you to everyone else who has advertised/talked up
the list.  The more we grow the more we know!

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) TEC in NY
Date: 13 Aug 1997 23:25:11 -0700 (PDT)


    Thanx for the report Bob!  It's nice to know we got good exposure
despite the poor set-up.  I'll be attending the Portland show and since I
have basically no interest in traditional coins expect to spend the
majority of the show at the TEC booth helping out.  The more I hear the
more I look forward to it!

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Cleaning oddity
Date: 14 Aug 1997 00:16:48 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings and Salutations!

    I recently purchased a bunch of wheaties in rather poor shape, so
thought I'd give the vinegar soaking a chance.  I threw a bunch in a
coffee cup for about fifteen minutes then pored them into a second coffee
cup to mix them up a little and make sure all areas got exposed.

    Well, this worked pretty well, so I threw a Mickey Mouse elongate
I recently received in some vinegar.  Well I forgot about it and
remembered it the next night.  Well, looking in the coin was completely
black.  Hmmm....how odd, I thought.  So I pored off the vinegar and
discovered that the black stuff rubbed off the raised areas rather
easily.  Then things got REALLY weird!  As I used a towel to wipe off the
crud, parts of the design wiped off as well.  Yep, I have a completely
uniques error in that random parts of the design are missing!  In fact,
the vinegar even ate a small hole in the coin.

    Any thoughts on what happened here?

            Peace,

                Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
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From: Bob Fritsch <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Cleaning oddity
Date: 14 Aug 1997 06:23:51 -0400

Chris Aahz wrote:

>         Any thoughts on what happened here?

Vinegar is an acid.  So you left the piece in there long enough for it
to eat away parts of the design.  This would place it in the realm of
Damaged coin instead of Error coin.

Regards,

Bob Fritsch
mailto:[e-mail]



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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Mail Bomb explanation
Date: 14 Aug 1997 09:00:55 -0400

zinful wrote:
>
> > Bob Hoff wrote:
> > I am real thankful for the work you are doing!!!
> > I don't mind if I get a little "exta" mail now and then :-).  Better than
> no
> > mail!
> >
> I'd say if this is the only glitch, you're doing real well.
> >
> > -Bob Hoff
>
> I agree with you Bob, keep up the good work Chris!
> Gina

Chris, you're my hero!

Ben



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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Error Coins?
Date: 14 Aug 1997 09:02:56 -0400

Chris Aahz wrote:
>
> On Thu, 14 Aug 1997 [e-mail] wrote:
>
> > I'm in Vallejo at least once per week. I'd go into Marine World to collect
> > pennies if I could find a way to avoid paying the toll.
> > Funny thing about elongate machines. They seem to really blend into the
> > woodwork unless you are looking for them.
>
>         I had a delivery from SF to Benicia today, so went thru Vallejo
> and made sure to curse the employees I spoke with before as I cruised

Just so long as you don't curse the critters!

Ben
> thru town.  Any idea how late their season runs?  I'd like to go by
> there, collect the set and say "Hi" to the critters, but won't be able to
> until after the DL meet.
>
>                 Peace,
>
>                         Aahz
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>           Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
> The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
> List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
> Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
> "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Roller info
Date: 14 Aug 1997 09:06:37 -0400

Chris Aahz wrote:
>   Perhaps we could split up Bert's list and each take a
> section?  Say five each?  Anyone interested?

Hey Chris...

I think I missed the original post but I'm game!

Ben
>
>                 Peace,
>
>                         Aahz
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>           Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
> The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
> List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
> Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
> "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Cleaning oddity
Date: 14 Aug 1997 09:16:52 -0400

Chris Aahz wrote:
>
> Greetings and Salutations!
>
>         I recently purchased a bunch of wheaties in rather poor shape, so
> thought I'd give the vinegar soaking a chance.  I threw a bunch in a
> coffee cup for about fifteen minutes then pored them into a second coffee
> cup to mix them up a little and make sure all areas got exposed.
>
>         Well, this worked pretty well, so I threw a Mickey Mouse elongate
> I recently received in some vinegar.  Well I forgot about it and
> remembered it the next night.  Well, looking in the coin was completely
> black.  Hmmm....how odd, I thought.  So I pored off the vinegar and
> discovered that the black stuff rubbed off the raised areas rather
> easily.  Then things got REALLY weird!  As I used a towel to wipe off the
> crud, parts of the design wiped off as well.  Yep, I have a completely
> uniques error in that random parts of the design are missing!  In fact,
> the vinegar even ate a small hole in the coin.
>
>         Any thoughts on what happened here?
> Yup I have one.  Read the vinegar bottle.  It will usually give you an
acid percentage; generally between 5-10%. Pennies, especially 98% copper
wheaties are fairly susceptible (<-- that word just doesn't look right.)
to corrosion. Hence your missing features and hole.  In fact, I
understand that the vinegar acid level rises as the water content
decreases.

The black stuff is an oxide resulting from the chemical reaction.

Not bad for a cop, eh?  (Dad's a physicist, mom's a chemist. Don't know
what happened to me.)

Ben


                         Peace,
>
>                                 Aahz
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>           Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
> The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
> List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
> Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
> "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Location suggestion...
Date: 14 Aug 1997 09:29:59 -0400

Hi there.

I found a location that desperately needs a squishing machine:

The L.L. Bean store in Freeport, Maine.  Everybody's heard of it; It's
open 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. (I've been there at
4:00AM on the morning after Christmas on my way home from Northern Maine
and there were 25-30 other shoppers there. Foot traffic doesn't get any
better than that!)

Anyone with any contact with one of these machine companys might want to
make a gentle suggestion even though they all seem to be as mysterious
as the pyramids.

Ben Lavine



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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Location suggestion...
Date: 14 Aug 1997 09:49:16 -0400

I completely agree.  I don't understand why there isn't one.

- Jeff
At 09:29 AM 8/14/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi there.
>
>I found a location that desperately needs a squishing machine:
>
>The L.L. Bean store in Freeport, Maine.  Everybody's heard of it; It's
>open 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. (I've been there at
>4:00AM on the morning after Christmas on my way home from Northern Maine
>and there were 25-30 other shoppers there. Foot traffic doesn't get any
>better than that!)
>
>Anyone with any contact with one of these machine companys might want to
>make a gentle suggestion even though they all seem to be as mysterious
>as the pyramids.
>
>Ben Lavine
>
>
 -----------------------------------------------------------------
Jeff Dixon                [e-mail]
Software Engineer/Memory Czar
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence      http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Error Coins?
Date: 14 Aug 1997 11:40:33 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-08-14 03:10:49 EDT, you write:

> I'm in Vallejo at least once per week. I'd go into Marine World to collect
>  pennies if I could find a way to avoid paying the toll.
>  Funny thing about elongate machines. They seem to really blend into the
>  woodwork unless you are looking for them.
>

I was short a Monterey cent a couple of weeks ago, I called the shop where
the machine was located and asked if I could send a SASE with the cost of the
coins and some pre '82's.  No problem.  This may work if you can find a
contact on the inside or a phone number.  I usually include a trade for the
person rolling the coins as a thank you.  However, in a gift shop, a sale is
a sale. :-)

-Bob Hoff
TEC#2033



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink locations
Date: 14 Aug 1997 11:41:32 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-08-14 01:46:18 EDT, you write:

> On Wed, 13 Aug 1997 [e-mail] wrote:
>
>  > I'd suspect someone will offer a "complete set" at a price once all
> locations
>  > are known.  That would bring in several extra "rolls" of each machine
and
>
>      I don't know about this.  That's a pretty mammoth project for one
>  person to undertake.  I'd be willing to bet that no single Eurolink
>  employee has been to EVERY location they have.  If we pick a number such
>  as 1000 locations, how much would you pay for this set?  Assuming they're
>  all pennies you're looking at an original cost of $510.  Plus the travel
>  involved.  What would you be willing to pay?
>

I was thinking along the line of requiring the employees that empty / audit /
service the machines to roll some.  On the other hand, maybe each time a die
is made a pile of cents could be run.  They could be sold by type, subject,
geographic area, date, etc. It would be a big undertaking,  But, then just
building, servicing and finding locations for 1,000 machines is also.  The
profit is there as well a a motivation on the part of the machine "sellers"
to build interest in ec's.  However, I agree with you, it would be a real
task for an individual to travel, pay retail for the coins and then sell
them.

Happy Collecting,
-Bob Hoff
TEC#2033




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From: Bob Bethurem <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re (elongates) Arkansas
Date: 14 Aug 1997 12:27:03 -0600 (MDT)

I am new to the list.  I subscribed after receiving a message inviting me to
join as a result of bidding for an item on eBay.

I wish to buy or trade for any elongated cents (and encased cents) relating
to Arkansas.  I also buy, sell, and trade Arkansas Civil War and railroad
paper, photos and hardware.

Thanks for letting me a part of this list.  I'm looking forward to learning
more about elongated cents.

Bob





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From: "mike schlaack" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Texas elongates
Date: 14 Aug 1997 14:41:44 -0400

Hello:
    I just began collecting and I am interested in buying or trading for
elongated from Texas.  I am close to Chicago and have duplicates of most
elongates from Chicago.
Thanks,
Mike
[e-mail]



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) New Location Ideas
Date: 14 Aug 1997 11:51:15 -0700

On 8/14/97 6:29 AM Mary C. and Ben L. ([e-mail] ) wrote

>I found a location that desperately needs a squishing machine:
>
>The L.L. Bean store in Freeport, Maine.

Greetings,

I will pass this on to a friend that can probably help here. I know we
had some locations earlier on the list (that should have machines
installed but don't)... With the newer list members, I'd love to get
another round of suggestions for machine locations. Also, for places that
have machines, how about your ideas of new designs they should get.
Anyone want a Walt Disney coin to be designed for Disneyland/DisneyWorld?

As long as we are on the topic, what kinds of ideas do you have for
machines? I would like to see a machine that stamps a penny... There is
the Disneyland machine with the elephant on top... He pretends to stamp
coins, while they are rolled in the machine below.

Stamping could get interesting, because you could get a 3 dimensional
coin (with a design on it). You can take a penny and flatten it with a
hammer and bend the sides up and it will float (no Aahz, don't try this
in vinegar!). So you could create a coin with a shape and design in a
stamping machine... Hmmm, ride Pirates of the Caribbean, then get a penny
(or other coin) stamped into a pirate boat! Just a thought. 8-)

Let's hear your ideas for new locations and new designs for existing
locations.

Bert



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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) New Location Ideas
Date: 14 Aug 1997 15:01:35 -0400

Location ideas:
Maine:
Old Orchard Beach Pier, Old Orchard Beach, Maine (seasonal though)

Massachusetts:
Quincy Market, Boston, MA
Bunker Hill Monument, Boston, MA.
Prudential or John Hancock building, Boston, MA.
Computer Museum, Boston, MA.

New Hampshire:
(great family places...)
Clark's Trading Post, Conway, NH
Santa's Villiage, Conway, NH
Storyland, Conway, NH

On the Elephant at WDL, that was the coolest machine I've ever seen!
I had heard stories, but when I actually saw it in person...WOW!

>You can take a penny and flatten it with a hammer and bend the sides
>up and it will float (no Aahz, don't try this in vinegar!).

How much pressure do you need????

 -----------------------------------------------------------------
Jeff Dixon                [e-mail]
Software Engineer/Memory Czar
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence      http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) New Location Ideas
Date: 14 Aug 1997 12:18:44 -0700

On 8/14/97 12:01 PM Jeff Dixon ([e-mail] ) wrote

>>You can take a penny and flatten it with a hammer and bend the sides
>>up and it will float (no Aahz, don't try this in vinegar!).
>
>How much pressure do you need????

Hmmm, depends on if you are using steelies, pre-82's or 82+'s. But the
real answer is not much is needed. Reliability of the machine might be a
big factor though... It is just a thought. Perhaps Rocky or one of the
folks building rolling machines could advise us on this...

bc



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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Occupations?
Date: 14 Aug 1997 15:16:25 -0400


I'm curious about what people do for a living.  I wonder if there is a link
between occupation and elongated pennies.

Is that too personal?  Or, do people mind telling us what they do for a
living?

Anyways, I'm a Computer Programmer at a Speech Recognition company.

- Jeff

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Jeff Dixon                [e-mail]
Software Engineer/Memory Czar
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence      http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Occupations?
Date: 14 Aug 1997 12:40:27 -0700

On 8/14/97 12:16 PM Jeff Dixon ([e-mail] ) wrote

>I'm curious about what people do for a living.  I wonder if there is a link
>between occupation and elongated pennies.
>
>Is that too personal?  Or, do people mind telling us what they do for a
>living?
>
>Anyways, I'm a Computer Programmer at a Speech Recognition company.
>
>- Jeff

I knew this would come up! Thanks Jeff for getting this started.

I am a Systems Engineer with Apple Computer. I get to travel to customer
sites, and smashed coin sites. Like Tink (Nikki), my wife and I have
Disneyland Passports so we get there from time to time to collect new
issues (and get more of the older issues).

I have met SOOOO many great people online because of EC's! I met Kathy M
in Arizona via email. She saw my home pages and emailed me. Now her kids
are collectors, and they used this summer's vacation to swing through
Southern CA for a collecting trip. Kathy has a friend that is a long haul
(I may not have used the right term here) trucker and he is now getting
her kids coins from his travels. One of the newer locations on my home
pages came from him... Thanks good buddy!

One last short story... I got an email this week from Sheryl (I am
protecting people's privacy unless they say otherwise). She was thanking
me (ahh, shucks Mam', twurnt' nothing at all) for all the locations on
the Smashed Coin Locator. She said one of her first dates with her boy
friend was at Santa Monica Pier and they smashed a few... Now they are
becoming collectors...

So Ben, do you get the obvious 'cop collecting copper' jokes?

Nuff' said from the engineers on the list, who else is out there?

bc
Location Keeper



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) TEC in NY
Date: 14 Aug 1997 12:42:27 -0700

On 8/13/97 11:25 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Thanx for the report Bob!  It's nice to know we got good exposure
>despite the poor set-up.  I'll be attending the Portland show and since I
>have basically no interest in traditional coins expect to spend the
>majority of the show at the TEC booth helping out.  The more I hear the
>more I look forward to it!

Yeah, Thanks Bob! Great Report! I too will be in Portland...

bc



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From: Matthew Birchard <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Occupations?
Date: 14 Aug 1997 14:31:05 -0700 (PDT)

Hi,
    I'm a full time student, set to begin my junior year at Portland
State University.  On the side I'm officially "between jobs".  My last
day at the Dairy Queen which I've worked at for 2 and 1/2 years (and I
was a manager to boot) is today.  Starting Sunday I'll be an employee at
Cool Temptations, a frozen yogurt place.  Yes, I do enjoy the soft serve
industry.  I've even contemptated openning an ice cream place of my own
someday.  I'm a business major at PSU.  As for how this relates to
elongates?  Well, I've been collecting since about '82, at which time I
was only in grade school, so...

Matt Birchard
TEC# 1848
Portland, Oregon
USA

e-mail:  [e-mail]



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From: Alan Kita <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Occupations?
Date: 14 Aug 1997 15:28:12 -0800

Program officer at a grantmaking insitution...
--

  Alan Kita          Program Associate - Arts & Culture
  The Japan Foundation & Language Center in Los Angeles
  2425 Olympic Boulevard Suite 650East
  Santa Monica California  90404-4034 U.S.A.
   Voice: 1(310) 449-0027 ext 104
     Fax: [phone]               ,,.----=="""'^.
  E-mail:  <[e-mail]>           ;;( ,___, ,/~`\;
    http://www.jflalc.org             ;' )/>/  '--,
  E-mail:  <[e-mail]>        | `\   |"  Fight On!
    http://home.earthlink.net/~alkita/   "   "  "         USC



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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Occupations?
Date: 14 Aug 1997 18:22:50 -0400

Jeff Dixon wrote:
>
> I'm curious about what people do for a living.  I wonder if there is a link
> between occupation and elongated pennies.
>
> Is that too personal?  Or, do people mind telling us what they do for a
> living?
>

I doubt there's a corelation. But I'll go next: Police Officer.



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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Occupations?
Date: 14 Aug 1997 18:27:07 -0400

>
> So Ben, do you get the obvious 'cop collecting copper' jokes?

No Bert. until now the jokes were pretty much limited to donuts.  Thanks
oh so much.

Ben

> bc
> Location Keeper



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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Locations.
Date: 14 Aug 1997 18:59:50 -0400

OK, here goes nothin'

Massachusetts:

USS Constitution - Boston
Battleship Massachusetts - Fall River
Observation deck, Prudential Building - Boston
Bunker Hill Monument - Boston
Lars Anderson Park (Antique/Classic cars) - Cambridge (?)
Old Sturbridge Village - Sturbridge
Any highway rest area.
Logan Int'l Airport - Boston

New Hampshire

Hampton Beach - Hampton (Seasonal)
Whales Tale Water Park - No. Woodstock (Seasonal)
Loon Mountain Ski Area - Lincoln (Year round.)
Cannon Mountain Ski Area - Franconia (Year round)
Pinkam Notch Appalachian Mountain CLub Visitors Center - Hart's Location (I think.)
    (Year round)
Any highway rest area anywhere.

Maine

Old Orchard Beach - O.O.B. (Seasonal, already listed by Jeff.)
Maine Aquarium - Saco (I think.)
Full service rest areas on the Maine Turnpike.
Baxter State Park/Mt. Katadhin (No matter how I spell it, it doesn't look right. Help me
Jeff.)
Kennebunkport - Kennebunkport.

Vermont

Geez, just get one in this State somewhere.

Connecticut

Too scared to drive there but...
Foxwoods Casino - Ledyard
Mohegan Sun Casino - Uncasville


West Virginia

New River Gorge Bridge.  (Been rafting there.  OUTSTANDING.)
Blue Ridge Parkway - W.VA., VA., NC.

Florida

Lion Country Safari - Palm Beach County
Theatre of the Sea - Islamorada (Swim with dolphins. Not cheap but VERY cool.)
All Int'l airports -- could place DOZENS of machines.
Oh hell.  Any South Florida attraction would be an excellent location.

My brain is fried now.  I've noticed that a lot of zoos and aquariums and such use these
machines to raise funds.  It doesn't seem that these machine companies have been to
agressive about that route.  Since it is apparently a profit share situation you'd think
they'd be more agressive.  I know I would.  The USS Constitution was restored partly
through a 'penny drive' nationwide in elementary schools.

Hey do any of these companies need a East coast/Northeast Representative?  (I need a
sideline. Or maybe a new career.)

Ben.



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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Invitation - Mailing List Disneyland Meeting
Date: 14 Aug 1997 19:09:14 -0400

On a whim, I checked out some airfares to CA for that weekend.
I guess I'll be there in spirit only.

Ben



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Occupations?
Date: 14 Aug 1997 17:36:02 -0700

On 8/14/97 2:31 PM Matthew Birchard ([e-mail] ) wrote

>Well, I've been collecting since about '82, at which time I
>was only in grade school, so..

An enlightened youth! 8-)

If you look at my home page you can see a section called Older Coins,
which is from my scrapbook when I was in the 5th grade. Wish I had
collected ever since then!

bc



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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Locations...
Date: 14 Aug 1997 20:32:41 -0400

Oh yeah...

Another location in NH:

Lake Winnipesaukee -- The 'Mount Washington' cruise boat.
Mt. Washington (Highest point in the Northeast.) summit.

And New York:

Lake George: Steamboats (3) and 'Million Dollar Beach'  (A million dollars worth of sand
trucked in to make a beach.)

Still thinking...

Ben



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From: "tink!!!" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Occupations?
Date: 14 Aug 1997 17:45:42 -0700

> >Is that too personal?  Or, do people mind telling us what they do
> >for a living?
> >
> >Anyways, I'm a Computer Programmer at a Speech Recognition company.
> >
> >- Jeff
>
> I knew this would come up! Thanks Jeff for getting this started.
>
> I am a Systems Engineer with Apple Computer. I get to travel to
> customer sites, and smashed coin sites. Like Tink (Nikki), my wife
> and I have Disneyland Passports so we get there from time to time to
> collect new issues (and get more of the older issues).

bert works for apple! bert works for apple!  hi bert,  os8 is great, but
i wish they hadn't changed the trashcan...

anyways...i am a receiving clerk for tower records in pasadena, ca.  so
basically, i sit in a back room with no natural light, listening to
music that they aren't allowed to play in the customer part of the
store, and scan and price thousands of cds.  and the ups strike is a
good thing...it's lowered my shipments, and has enabled myself and the
other receiver to catch up;>

pax!!!
nikki
--
"There's still a part of me that's
16 and I'm going to nuture it"-Keith Richards
http://www.concentric.net/~dvlgrl66/
dc.d f--- s+ h+ cbryteG^wP a $ (m) d++ fr+ L<1m bF e g i!



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Occupations?
Date: 14 Aug 1997 21:28:33 -0400 (EDT)


Okay, I'll take the opportunity to introduce myself since I've been "lurking"
as the mailing list intro e-mail puts it for a couple of weeks now.  I worked
for an intellectual property law firm in Boston that had offices in seven
cities.  In my frequent travels to those offices, I happened upon a few penny
pressing machines and got hooked.  Meanwhile, the law degree I got didn't
agree with me nor did the firm itself eventually.  So, I quit along with a
half a dozen other people to start a small firm specializing in biotechnology
patents, e.g., the "Harvard Mouse".  I don't know DNA from RNA from well,
anything, however.  They just wanted me so they'd have someone to organize
the office, keep the computers running most of the time, and take the mail to
the post office each night.  The latter, actually, has its advantages because
the P.O. is very near the Children's Museum where I just learned there is a
penny pressing machine to be had.  Anyone desiring a penny from this machine,
please let me know.  TTFN!



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Occupations?
Date: 14 Aug 1997 21:28:58 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-08-14 15:36:12 EDT, you write:

>
>  Nuff' said from the engineers on the list, who else is out there?
>

Hi All;

I'm a "bit odd" and happy to admit it. :-)

I'm a tired and re-tired Multi-licensed CFP.  I still enjoy managing a very
small equity portfolio from our modest home in the foothills of Orange County
CA.  I also fix plumbing and collect rent (mostly fix plumbing) :-(.  Most of
all, we enjoy collecting small copper objects <G>.

My daughter, Ana"stasi"a  is 11 years old, more mature than my wife or I, and
a great "penny machine finder".  We have gotten a bunch of elongated coins
together and hope to organize them to the point we can call them a collection
before too long.

We collect elongated coins as a family.  We have passes to Disneyland and
although my favorite ride is the "bench ride", I still can drop a few coins
in the penny machines without getting too tired. (Keep me in mind for
Disneyland "fill ins")  We also take a lot of trips along the West Coast and
try to pick up EC's as we go along.  We have found a MT. Saint. Helens, Sea
Lion Caves, and Trees of Mystery.  Love 'um!

Hope to hear from you....

Happy Collecting,

-Bob Hoff and Anastasia Hoff
TEC# 2033  and 2121J




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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Occupations?
Date: 14 Aug 1997 18:45:33 -0700

On 8/14/97 5:45 PM tink!!! ([e-mail] ) wrote

>
>bert works for apple! bert works for apple!  hi bert,  os8 is great, but
>i wish they hadn't changed the trashcan...

Just for the record (Mailing List Archives...) I did not pay Nikki to say
nice things about Mac OS 8! Of course she's moved to the top of my
trading list  8-)

bc



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From: "tink!!!" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Occupations?
Date: 14 Aug 1997 19:04:40 -0700

> >bert works for apple! bert works for apple!  hi bert,  os8 is
> >great, but i wish they hadn't changed the trashcan...
>
> Just for the record (Mailing List Archives...) I did not pay Nikki
> to say nice things about Mac OS 8! Of course she's moved to the top
> of my trading list  8-)

*psst* hey bert, where's my check;>
--
"There's still a part of me that's
16 and I'm going to nuture it"-Keith Richards
http://www.concentric.net/~dvlgrl66/
dc.d f--- s+ h+ cbryteG^wP a $ (m) d++ fr+ L<1m bF e g i!



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From: "..." <...>
Subject: Re: (elongates) New member boom!
Date: 14 Aug 1997 21:59:48 -0500

>     A big thank you must go out to Kathy for adding the sub page to
> her site.  I have a feeling we're getting many people from there.  THANKS

> Kathy!!!!!

Thanks Chris! I've been getting a few emails from people asking questions
about coins when they stop by The Penny Page. I ALWAYS give out the address
of the subscription page so they can join and ask the group questions!
Although I'm not really sure if they join, but maybe some did! (But, you
know who you are!)


>The more we grow the more we know!

Yep!
Sure wish I could join y'all at Disneyland. If American Airlines NetSaavers
has a special fare: I'm there!
I've subscribed to their email list, too. Always keep my eyes open for a
great deal on airfare.

Thanks!
Kathy

P.S. I regret the opportunity I missed to meet Rocky Rockholt. He was
visiting my area of the country, but I had so much happening at the time.
Sorry Rocky, maybe some other time. :)
Anyone visiting Dallas, give me a holler! Maybe I should organize a meeting
at Six Flags Over Texas! I haven't been there yet to get pennies, but I
know they are there!




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From: "..." <...>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink locations
Date: 14 Aug 1997 22:12:59 -0500

> >  > I'd suspect someone will offer a "complete set" at a price once all
> > locations
> >  > are known.  That would bring in several extra "rolls" of each
machine
> and

> I was thinking along the line of requiring the employees that empty /
audit /
> service the machines to roll some.  On the other hand, maybe each time a
die
> is made a pile of cents could be run.  They could be sold by type,
subject,
> geographic area, date, etc. It would be a big undertaking,  But, then
just
> building, servicing and finding locations for 1,000 machines is also.
The
> -Bob Hoff
> TEC#2033

I've got an interesting story about Eurolink. The first time I went the The
Fort Worth Zoo and mapped out the locations and posted them on my site, I
emailed Eurolink. They noticed that one of the quarters in the quarter
machine was out of order. I was very disappointed, since it does take
awhile for me to drive out to Fort Worth. And...I didn't know when the
machine would be fixed. Well, someone from Eurolink offered to mail me the
coin FREE OF CHARGE. I gave them my address and they mailed me the coin.
They asked that I update my page, and once I got the coin, I did. So, I
know they have coins from their machines. It was in a small envelope marked
"Sample Coins"....they are willing to help collectors out every once in a
while. I'm not sure if it is still there, but they did add a link on their
page to my web site. I think if we "campaign" we can get them to send us a
list, even if it is a partial list. I know from experience that they like
to move machines around and change them out from time to time. Maybe this
makes it hard to keep a list current.
Just my thoughts :)
-Kathy



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From: "..." <...>
Subject: (elongates) Locations that Need Machines
Date: 14 Aug 1997 22:25:27 -0500

Downtown Dallas:
Reunion Tower
Union Station
The 6th Floor Museum
John F Kennedy Memorial
Old City Park


-Kathy




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From: "zinful" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Occupations?
Date: 14 Aug 1997 19:45:15 -0000

Hello all,

Occupation you say?  I guess I don't quite have one yet.  I'm a soon to be
student at Loma Linda University this fall.  They're going to help me
become a Respiratory Therapist.  Time to get serious I guess.  I went to
San Diego State University for 5 yrs (athletic training major) which was
anything but serious. Party, Party, Party! <g> although I did manage to
squeeze a BS out of it.

I'm 27 and I think I got my 1st "smashed penny"  (thats what I used to call
em-now I find myself always referrring to em as elongates) when I was 12 or
13.  Somebody, I wish I remember who, gave me the Lords Prayer elongate.
Whenever I came across a machine I would get one and now I search them out!
high and low.

Take care,
Gina

[e-mail]




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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Cleaning oddity
Date: 14 Aug 1997 21:25:20 -0700 (PDT)


On Thu, 14 Aug 1997, Mary C. and Ben L. wrote:

> >         Any thoughts on what happened here?
> > Yup I have one.  Read the vinegar bottle.  It will usually give you an
> acid percentage; generally between 5-10%. Pennies, especially 98% copper
> wheaties are fairly susceptible (<-- that word just doesn't look right.)
> to corrosion. Hence your missing features and hole.  In fact, I
> understand that the vinegar acid level rises as the water content
> decreases.

    Okay, the bottle says "Reduced with water to 5% acidity".  The
question becomes why did it much up the elongate, but not the round pennies?

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Error Coins?
Date: 14 Aug 1997 21:27:06 -0700 (PDT)


On Thu, 14 Aug 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> I was short a Monterey cent a couple of weeks ago, I called the shop where
> the machine was located and asked if I could send a SASE with the cost of the
> coins and some pre '82's.  No problem.  This may work if you can find a
> contact on the inside or a phone number.  I usually include a trade for the
> person rolling the coins as a thank you.  However, in a gift shop, a sale is
> a sale. :-)

    I'm actually about 40% done with an article for TECN on this very
subject.  Many places have been very generous with me in this regard, but
I'm going to withold details so you'll have to read the article 8-)

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re (elongates) Arkansas
Date: 14 Aug 1997 21:30:17 -0700 (PDT)


On Thu, 14 Aug 1997, Bob Bethurem wrote:

> I am new to the list.  I subscribed after receiving a message inviting me to
> join as a result of bidding for an item on eBay.

    Welcome!!

> I wish to buy or trade for any elongated cents (and encased cents) relating
> to Arkansas.  I also buy, sell, and trade Arkansas Civil War and railroad
> paper, photos and hardware.

    Well, I know I've got a few Arkansas elongates somewhere (my new
trade list is in progress), but I've got a Pulaski Federal Savings
(Little Rock) encased cent sitting in front of me right now.  I got it at
eBay so may have even bid against you or purchased it from you.  Anyway,
if you want it let me know and we'll work some kind of trade.

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Occupations?
Date: 14 Aug 1997 21:33:09 -0700 (PDT)


On Thu, 14 Aug 1997, Jeff Dixon wrote:

>
> I'm curious about what people do for a living.  I wonder if there is a link
> between occupation and elongated pennies.

    I drive around in circles.  And with UPS on strike I drive around
in even more circles.  It has helped with my collecting as I am able to
accumulate trade stock from a large area without much additional expense,
but I started collecting before I started this job, so they aren't really
correlated.

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Occupations?
Date: 14 Aug 1997 21:34:22 -0700 (PDT)


On Thu, 14 Aug 1997, Mary C. and Ben L. wrote:

> I doubt there's a corelation. But I'll go next: Police Officer.

    Thanx for the warning ;)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re (elongates) Arkansas
Date: 14 Aug 1997 21:43:41 -0700

On 8/14/97 9:30 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Well, I know I've got a few Arkansas elongates somewhere (my new
>trade list is in progress), but I've got a Pulaski Federal Savings
>(Little Rock) encased cent sitting in front of me right now.  I got it at
>eBay so may have even bid against you or purchased it from you.  Anyway,
>if you want it let me know and we'll work some kind of trade.

Aahz,

We should probably explain "encased" and "eBay" to some of the newer list
members... Gotta run, in a bidding on eBay as we speak...

bc



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Occupations?
Date: 14 Aug 1997 21:39:26 -0700 (PDT)


On Thu, 14 Aug 1997, tink!!! wrote:

> anyways...i am a receiving clerk for tower records in pasadena, ca.  so
> basically, i sit in a back room with no natural light, listening to
> music that they aren't allowed to play in the customer part of the
> store, and scan and price thousands of cds.  and the ups strike is a
> good thing...it's lowered my shipments, and has enabled myself and the
> other receiver to catch up;>

    Sure, just sit in your little room, surrounded by the things you
love and mock the insanity that has become my career!!!  Now I see how it is!

8-)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Occupations?
Date: 14 Aug 1997 21:43:59 -0700 (PDT)


On Thu, 14 Aug 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> I'm a "bit odd" and happy to admit it. :-)

    Only a bit?  Well, you just slipped down a peg in my book ;)

> I'm a tired and re-tired Multi-licensed CFP.  I still enjoy managing a very

    Pardon the ignorance, but what's 'multi-licensed' mean in this
context?

> My daughter, Ana"stasi"a  is 11 years old, more mature than my wife or I, and
> a great "penny machine finder".

    Now she's got the career *I* want!

> We collect elongated coins as a family.  We have passes to Disneyland and
> although my favorite ride is the "bench ride", I still can drop a few coins
> in the penny machines without getting too tired. (Keep me in mind for
> Disneyland "fill ins")  We also take a lot of trips along the West Coast and

    Will you and the family be making it to the meet?  Bert's
bringing his little helper and better half (she couldn't be worse could
she 8-), so you wouldn't be the only family there.

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Occupations?
Date: 14 Aug 1997 21:48:13 -0700 (PDT)


    Hey Bert, that email forging program you sent me works great.  I
sent that message as ifg it came from Nikki just like you asked!

"Huh?"  "No, this is going to the li..."

        Um, nevermind

"Where's that darn kancel key...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


On Thu, 14 Aug 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> On 8/14/97 5:45 PM tink!!! ([e-mail] ) wrote
>
> >
> >bert works for apple! bert works for apple!  hi bert,  os8 is great, but
> >i wish they hadn't changed the trashcan...
>
> Just for the record (Mailing List Archives...) I did not pay Nikki to say
> nice things about Mac OS 8! Of course she's moved to the top of my
> trading list  8-)
>
> bc
>
>





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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) New member boom!
Date: 14 Aug 1997 21:51:32 -0700 (PDT)


On Thu, 14 Aug 1997, ... wrote:

> Sure wish I could join y'all at Disneyland. If American Airlines NetSaavers
> has a special fare: I'm there!

    <keeping fingers crossed>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Occupations?
Date: 15 Aug 1997 00:53:33 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-08-14 15:36:12 EDT, you write:

<< m curious about what people do for a living.  I wonder if there is a link
 >between occupation and elongated pennies.
 > >>
I am a full time college student studying Secondary ed, Biology!
Liz



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) New Location Ideas
Date: 15 Aug 1997 00:56:32 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-08-14 16:22:55 EDT, you write:

<< Computer Museum, Boston, MA. >>
This is the COOLEST museam ever!  They definatly deserve a penny!
You get to walk throu a giant computer model that shows you how computers
work!
Liz



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Re (elongates) Arkansas
Date: 15 Aug 1997 00:58:47 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-08-14 17:03:07 EDT, you write:

<<
 I am new to the list.  I subscribed after receiving a message inviting me to
 join as a result of bidding for an item on eBay. >>

isn't eBay addictive!  I have bought at least 7 things off there!  What an
expense!
Good thing pennies are not expensive!
LIz



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Occupations?
Date: 15 Aug 1997 01:01:18 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-08-14 23:52:54 EDT, you write:

<<
 Occupation you say?  I guess I don't quite have one yet.  I'm a soon to be
 student at Loma Linda University this fall.  They're going to help me
 become a Respiratory Therapist.  Time to get serious I guess.  I went to
 San Diego State University for 5 yrs (athletic training major) which was
 anything but serious. Party, Party, Party! <g> although I did manage to
 squeeze a BS out of it. >>

I bet you couldn't find a job at the athletic training....my 1st roomate was
doing that..but chainged her major cause of the sever lack of jobs!
Liz



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Re (elongates) Arkansas
Date: 14 Aug 1997 23:54:51 -0500

> isn't eBay addictive!  I have bought at least 7 things off there!  What an
> expense!
> Good thing pennies are not expensive!
> LIz

It sure is!  I go through withdrawl when I am on the road and can't get
online.
Trey



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re (elongates) Arkansas
Date: 14 Aug 1997 22:06:12 -0700 (PDT)


On Thu, 14 Aug 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> We should probably explain "encased" and "eBay" to some of the newer list
> members... Gotta run, in a bidding on eBay as we speak...

    Whose we, tire-biter?  I guess it's me since he's off to war.

    I have no idea how to describe an encased coin.  The most
recognizable would be the aluminum, horseshoe shaped token with an actual
penny in the center.  Perhaps Bob can offer a better definition.

    eBay is an online auction sit (http://www.ebay.com/aw).  It's
probably the largest on-line auction and has a growing number of
elongates appearing typically in the "Exonumeria [sic], Tokens and
Medals" section.  I've received a lot of good deals there.

        Peace,

            Aahz


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Occupations?
Date: 14 Aug 1997 23:59:38 -0500

> Is that too personal?  Or, do people mind telling us what they do for a living?

O.K., I guess I will go next.  I work in Sales/Marketing for a tax
consulting firm.



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: eBay (was Re: (elongates) Arkansas)
Date: 14 Aug 1997 22:12:41 -0700 (PDT)


On Fri, 15 Aug 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> isn't eBay addictive!  I have bought at least 7 things off there!  What an
> expense!

    7?  SEVEN?  In the last six months or so I've bought  afew
hundred lots at eBay!  My other obsession is hunting down vampires and
eBay is a GREAT place to find them!

    Of course, I've also spent a pretty 'penny' on elongates there.
And it doesn't do such a bad job of a list recruiting area either!

        Peace,

            Aahz
<who owes his soul to the eBay store>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~






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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re (elongates) Arkansas
Date: 14 Aug 1997 22:15:32 -0700 (PDT)


On Thu, 14 Aug 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> > isn't eBay addictive!  I have bought at least 7 things off there!  What an
>
> It sure is!  I go through withdrawl when I am on the road and can't get
> online.

    I remember back on the 4th of July.  My parent's just moved into
this house in the foothills where you can see ALL of the fireworks
displays in the valley (7 or 8).  the whole family was there and I was
cringing the whole time because I had some lots ending and was afraid I'd
lose 'em.

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Occupations?
Date: 14 Aug 1997 22:18:21 -0700 (PDT)


On Thu, 14 Aug 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> > Is that too personal?  Or, do people mind telling us what they do for a living?
>
> O.K., I guess I will go next.  I work in Sales/Marketing for a tax
> consulting firm.
>
>
    So you're a sales tax?
<groan>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Re (elongates) Arkansas
Date: 15 Aug 1997 00:11:50 -0500

>         I remember back on the 4th of July.  My parent's just moved into
> this house in the foothills where you can see ALL of the fireworks
> displays in the valley (7 or 8).  the whole family was there and I was
> cringing the whole time because I had some lots ending and was afraid I'd
> lose 'em.
>
>                 Peace,
>
>                         Aahz
>
I've been there.  You know you are hooked when you check in every hour
on Christmas day.
Trey



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Eurolink locations
Date: 14 Aug 1997 22:19:54 -0700 (PDT)


On Thu, 14 Aug 1997, ... wrote:

>
> I've got an interesting story about Eurolink. The first time I went the The

    It's nice to know they're helpful for some.  I guess I've just
hit them on several bad days.

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Occupations?
Date: 15 Aug 1997 00:14:23 -0500

>         So you're a sales tax?
> <groan>
>
We are the guys in white hats.  We help our clients avoid overpayments,
and get refunds on what they have already overpaid.
Trey



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re (elongates) Arkansas
Date: 14 Aug 1997 22:22:59 -0700 (PDT)


On Fri, 15 Aug 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> I've been there.  You know you are hooked when you check in every hour
> on Christmas day.

    Wait, I just remembered something.  I'm gonna spend four days
without a 'puter on my trek to the DL Meet!!!  ACK!  That's it, can't
go.  The meeting's off!

<don't worry, nikki, you'll survive without me somehow ;)

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





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From: "tink!!!" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Occupations?
Date: 14 Aug 1997 22:57:37 -0700

> > anyways...i am a receiving clerk for tower records in pasadena,
> > ca.  so basically, i sit in a back room with no natural light,
> > listening to music that they aren't allowed to play in the
> > customer part of the store, and scan and price thousands of cds.
> > and the ups strike is a good thing...it's lowered my shipments,
> > oand has enabled myself and thether receiver to catch up;>
>
>         Sure, just sit in your little room, surrounded by the things
> you love and mock the insanity that has become my career!!!  Now I
> see how it is!

*fade to black*
*you hear music-see clouds parting-'the simpsons'*
(nikki as nelson) ah-HAH
(milhouse pipes in) no nelson, i think he's really stressed.
(nikki/nelson) i SAID ah-HAH...

we now return you to your regularly scheduled programming...
--
"There's still a part of me that's
16 and I'm going to nuture it"-Keith Richards
http://www.concentric.net/~dvlgrl66/
dc.d f--- s+ h+ cbryteG^wP a $ (m) d++ fr+ L<1m bF e g i!



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From: "tink!!!" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Occupations?
Date: 14 Aug 1997 23:00:28 -0700

>         Hey Bert, that email forging program you sent me works
> great.  I sent that message as ifg it came from Nikki just like you
> asked!
> "Huh?"  "No, this is going to the li..."
>
>                 Um, nevermind
>
> "Where's that darn kancel key...

hmm, what , huh???  what was that chris???  did you say something?  oh
hi bert, what's that funny look on your face?  chris, what in hades are
you laughing about???

sheesh!!!  some people...
--
"There's still a part of me that's
16 and I'm going to nuture it"-Keith Richards
http://www.concentric.net/~dvlgrl66/
dc.d f--- s+ h+ cbryteG^wP a $ (m) d++ fr+ L<1m bF e g i!



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re (elongates) Arkansas
Date: 14 Aug 1997 23:05:37 -0700

On 8/14/97 10:06 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>> We should probably explain "encased" and "eBay" to some of the newer list
>> members... Gotta run, in a bidding on eBay as we speak...
>
>    Whose we, tire-biter?  I guess it's me since he's off to war.

Hi, <back from the crusades...> Oh, see Aahz got the info out on encased
coins and eBay.

Sooo, guess I will update you all on his tire-biter comment... Aahz
"coined" the term Location Keeper some web weeks back... Location Keepers
are those of us with web sites that list (and constantly update) smashed
coin locations. Around the time Aahz was coining the phrase, I came up
with an analogy that Location Keepers were like dogs that bight tires (of
moving cars). We may go around in circles a lot, but we eventually get
there!

There are companies like the San Francisco Penny Company and the Aloha
Penny Company that will not return our (collector's) phone calls or
emails. We only want locations of their machines so we can feed them our
quarters. So, we collectors and Location Keepers are using the old
fashion approach, we find the machines, email the Mailing List and the
Location Keepers (Willy, Kathy, David Tomita and others) put the new
finds on our web sites. "We eventually get there..."

I apologize to the early list members, you all know all this - and have
been a GREAT source for locations!!! THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU! Hope
this is of interest to those of you new to the list. So go out this
weekend, find some new locations and let us all know about them.

Happy Smashing Everyone!

Bert
Location Keeper/Part Time Tire Biter



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From: "tink!!!" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: eBay (was Re: (elongates) Arkansas)
Date: 14 Aug 1997 23:03:01 -0700

>         7?  SEVEN?  In the last six months or so I've bought  afew
> hundred lots at eBay!  My other obsession is hunting down vampires
> and eBay is a GREAT place to find them!

hey aahz, what do you do with them once you catch them???
--
"There's still a part of me that's
16 and I'm going to nuture it"-Keith Richards
http://www.concentric.net/~dvlgrl66/
dc.d f--- s+ h+ cbryteG^wP a $ (m) d++ fr+ L<1m bF e g i!



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: eBay (was Re: (elongates) Arkansas)
Date: 14 Aug 1997 23:13:33 -0700

On 8/14/97 11:03 PM tink!!! ([e-mail] ) wrote

>My other obsession is hunting down vampires and eBay is a GREAT place to find
them!

Vampires?

Sounds like they'd make great Location Keepers!

Oh course, you'd probably need to use the Jaws-Of-Life to get them free
from the tires...

8-E



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re (elongates) Arkansas
Date: 14 Aug 1997 23:07:22 -0700 (PDT)


> Bert
> Location Keeper/Part Time Tire Biter

    You forgot punster

>
>



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: eBay (was Re: (elongates) Arkansas)
Date: 14 Aug 1997 23:13:06 -0700 (PDT)


On Thu, 14 Aug 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> Vampires?
>
> Sounds like they'd make great Location Keepers!
>

    Only at night.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





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From: "tink!!!" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re (elongates) Arkansas
Date: 14 Aug 1997 23:19:39 -0700

>         Wait, I just remembered something.  I'm gonna spend four
> days without a 'puter on my trek to the DL Meet!!!  ACK!  That's it,
> can't go.  The meeting's off!
>
> <don't worry, nikki, you'll survive without me somehow ;)

oh, i don't know...might be kinda rough;>
--
"There's still a part of me that's
16 and I'm going to nuture it"-Keith Richards
http://www.concentric.net/~dvlgrl66/
dc.d f--- s+ h+ cbryteG^wP a $ (m) d++ fr+ L<1m bF e g i!



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re (elongates) Arkansas
Date: 14 Aug 1997 23:27:16 -0700

On 8/14/97 11:07 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    You forgot punster

Remind me at DL to 'sign' you my one and only deaf joke! And to draw you
a "tool" joke...

bc



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re (elongates) Arkansas
Date: 14 Aug 1997 23:34:47 -0700

On 8/14/97 11:19 PM tink!!! ([e-mail] ) wrote

>>         Wait, I just remembered something.  I'm gonna spend four
>> days without a 'puter on my trek to the DL Meet!!!  ACK!  That's it,
>> can't go.  The meeting's off!
>>
>> <don't worry, nikki, you'll survive without me somehow ;)
>
>oh, i don't know...might be kinda rough;>

Aahz,

FEDEX <grin> me your trading stock and Nikki and I will make some good
trades for you at DL! No... really, we will! Trust us!

Repeat after me "In Tink and Bert I Trust..." Send those pennies to
<address to follow>

8-)



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re (elongates) Arkansas
Date: 14 Aug 1997 23:32:52 -0700 (PDT)


On Thu, 14 Aug 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> On 8/14/97 11:19 PM tink!!! ([e-mail] ) wrote
>
> >>         Wait, I just remembered something.  I'm gonna spend four
> >> days without a 'puter on my trek to the DL Meet!!!  ACK!  That's it,
> >> can't go.  The meeting's off!
> >>
> >> <don't worry, nikki, you'll survive without me somehow ;)
> >
> >oh, i don't know...might be kinda rough;>
>
> Aahz,
>
> FEDEX <grin> me your trading stock and Nikki and I will make some good
> trades for you at DL! No... really, we will! Trust us!

    Well, I just got my "Great Laugh of the Night That Finally
Releives The Day's Stress".

        Peace,

            Aahz

"Wow, I coulda sworn I had more then two pages in this binder....."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





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From: "tink!!!" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re (elongates) Arkansas
Date: 14 Aug 1997 23:43:10 -0700

> > FEDEX <grin> me your trading stock and Nikki and I will make some
> > good trades for you at DL! No... really, we will! Trust us!
>
>         Well, I just got my "Great Laugh of the Night That Finally
> Releives The Day's Stress".

no, REALLY, what are you saying chris???

> "Wow, I coulda sworn I had more then two pages in this binder....."

hey, bert, have you seen chris' two sheets he =claims= were in his
binder???
--
"There's still a part of me that's
16 and I'm going to nuture it"-Keith Richards
http://www.concentric.net/~dvlgrl66/
dc.d f--- s+ h+ cbryteG^wP a $ (m) d++ fr+ L<1m bF e g i!



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re (elongates) Arkansas
Date: 14 Aug 1997 23:52:28 -0700

On 8/14/97 11:43 PM tink!!! ([e-mail] ) wrote

>hey, bert, have you seen chris' two sheets he =claims= were in his
>binder???

What binder  8-E



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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Occupations?
Date: 15 Aug 1997 08:51:46 -0400

What!?!?!  There is a machine at the Children's Museum.  Cool.  That means
the Boston area is up to 10.

- Jeff
At 09:28 PM 8/14/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
>Okay, I'll take the opportunity to introduce myself since I've been "lurking"
>as the mailing list intro e-mail puts it for a couple of weeks now.  I worked
>for an intellectual property law firm in Boston that had offices in seven
>cities.  In my frequent travels to those offices, I happened upon a few penny
>pressing machines and got hooked.  Meanwhile, the law degree I got didn't
>agree with me nor did the firm itself eventually.  So, I quit along with a
>half a dozen other people to start a small firm specializing in biotechnology
>patents, e.g., the "Harvard Mouse".  I don't know DNA from RNA from well,
>anything, however.  They just wanted me so they'd have someone to organize
>the office, keep the computers running most of the time, and take the mail to
>the post office each night.  The latter, actually, has its advantages because
>the P.O. is very near the Children's Museum where I just learned there is a
>penny pressing machine to be had.  Anyone desiring a penny from this machine,
>please let me know.  TTFN!
>
>
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Jeff Dixon                [e-mail]
Software Engineer/Memory Czar
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence      http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154



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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Apple OS8
Date: 15 Aug 1997 08:53:50 -0400

I wouldn't mind a free copy of OS8 to hang on my wall.
*grin*

- Jeff

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Jeff Dixon                [e-mail]
Software Engineer/Memory Czar
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence      http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154



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From: Pete Morelewicz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Arkansas
Date: 15 Aug 1997 09:03:00 PDT

I've found Arkansas to be quite penny-rich:

Hot Springs (childhood home of Bill Clinton) has something like 9 locations:
Madame Toussaud's Wax Museum
the aquarium
numerous boutiquey shops (all depicting some variation of a bath house or
Bill Clinton)

Eureka Springs (home of the 7-story concrete Jesus):
we procured another eight designs from here- all from giftshops with machines
stuck right in the front.


*Newcomers to the list: You can read about these and other
squished penny-related acquisitons in the Squished Penny Museum newsletter,
The Centinel. It's available for free -or send a stamp if you're nice. Just
email me and we'll send one.

Aahz calls the Centinel "The best bathroom reading material ever!"

Bert proclaims "Makes me wish I lived on the right coast!"

Jeff says "Hot damn! And I thought all the good stuff was up north!"

Willy admits "The Centinel is a holy roller!"


---end of shameless plug---



Pete
[e-mail]



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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) WOO HOO!
Date: 15 Aug 1997 09:00:30 -0400


I found all my trading stock back in a tucked away box!!!

So, the pennies are going out (Pete: finally, eh?)

- Jeff

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Info: Boston Machines
Date: 15 Aug 1997 09:04:12 -0400 (EDT)


Don't know if you consider it Boston, but there is a machine at the Capron
Zoo in Attleboro -- straight down 95.  Found it on the way to Roger Williams
Park Zoo in Providence which also has a machine -- since it's only 45
minutes, I consider it part of Boston.  (I grew up in the midwest where 45
minutes was really nothing at all.)  Actually, since Roger Williams has the
Dinosaur exhibit now, I was figuring they'd have added a second machine since
the Minnesota Zoo had a dinosaur machine when it had the same exhibit there.
 Also heard of a machine at the Childrens' Museum in Boston and my sister has
a penny with the State House on it that she swears she got by the Swan Boat
rides -- though that was a long time ago.



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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re (elongates) Arkansas
Date: 15 Aug 1997 09:09:25 -0400

Does eBay have elongated coins?

- Jeff
At 09:43 PM 8/14/97 -0700, you wrote:
>On 8/14/97 9:30 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote
>
>>    Well, I know I've got a few Arkansas elongates somewhere (my new
>>trade list is in progress), but I've got a Pulaski Federal Savings
>>(Little Rock) encased cent sitting in front of me right now.  I got it at
>>eBay so may have even bid against you or purchased it from you.  Anyway,
>>if you want it let me know and we'll work some kind of trade.
>
>Aahz,
>
>We should probably explain "encased" and "eBay" to some of the newer list
>members... Gotta run, in a bidding on eBay as we speak...
>
>bc
>
>
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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: eBay (was Re: (elongates) Arkansas)
Date: 15 Aug 1997 09:22:49 -0400

I'd like to see "Jaws-Of-Life" for auction on eBay.

- Jeff

At 11:13 PM 8/14/97 -0700, you wrote:
>On 8/14/97 11:03 PM tink!!! ([e-mail] ) wrote
>
>>My other obsession is hunting down vampires and eBay is a GREAT place to
find
>them!
>
>Vampires?
>
>Sounds like they'd make great Location Keepers!
>
>Oh course, you'd probably need to use the Jaws-Of-Life to get them free
>from the tires...
>
>8-E
>
>
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From: John & Nancy Wooten <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Occupations?
Date: 15 Aug 1997 11:12:10 -0700

Jeff Dixon wrote:
>
> I'm curious about what people do for a living.  I wonder if there is a link
> between occupation and elongated pennies.
>

Well, after lurking for several weeks, I guess it is time to speak.  I
am a retired Administrative Assistant (sounds good, huh?), and my
husband is a retired Storekeeper (means he was in charge of operating
and stocking a warehouse).  We started getting elongated coins for our
daughter when she was younger when we traveled, since it was an
affordable gift to bring back from a trip.

Since retirement, we got interested in Disneyland issues, as we are
Annual Passholders, and go often.  We have also repossessed most of her
coins, to include in one collection (which needs organizing badly).  I
found out about this list when I responded to an email from Chris
offering Mickey Mouse coins I didn't have for trade.

I can't believe how much I have learned in just a few weeks here, and
really appreciate you all sharing your knowledge with others.  We are
going to try to join you at Disneyland on Sept. 7th, at least for lunch
(but maybe before - don't know for sure yet).

One other thing I want to mention!  I collect several other small,
inexpensive items, but you people are the only ones I have come in
contact with that are more interested in helping each other out then
making "big bucks" from something that should be fun.  My hat's off to
you all!!!  You're my kind of people.

Nancy



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Occupations?
Date: 15 Aug 1997 11:51:23 -0700

On 8/15/97 11:12 AM John & Nancy Wooten ([e-mail] ) wrote

> We are going to try to join you at Disneyland on Sept. 7th, at least for
lunch
>(but maybe before - don't know for sure yet).

Nancy and John, Welcome.

Yeah! Come on Down to Disneyland! We look forward to meeting you! My wife
and I will be bringing Alex, our toddler that loves to get the coins out
of the machines and then say "Da Da, HOT!" He's a real charmer, beware!
Last time at Disneyland, we got off the parking lot tram and he started
blowing kisses to the whole tram. He had everyone waving and saying Good
Night. Soooo, those are the kind of fun people (big and little) you'll
see on this list and at Disneyland. 8-)

>
>One other thing I want to mention!  I collect several other small,
>inexpensive items, but you people are the only ones I have come in
>contact with that are more interested in helping each other out then
>making "big bucks" from something that should be fun.  My hat's off to
>you all!!!  You're my kind of people.

Chris Aahz started this mailing list and he has articulated his love for
this hobby. It is not something to get into for profit ("fortune and
glory" as they said in Indiana Jones). It is for 'the hunt' and the neat
people you meet. Chris has a wealth of information and experience as do
many others on this list. Pete, for example, runs the SPM (Squished Penny
Museum), and Willy just became the President of The Elongated Collectors
(TEC) which is a great organization to join (I'm TEC#2095). Everyone on
the list is awesome!

Many trades have been set up (1 for 1 style) from this mailing list. I
got my 1st 2 dimes from the list - which I am thrilled with! As you
probably have seen, we cover lots of topics (steelies, polishing,
organizing, locations, trading, etc). There is an archive of the past
emails, which is great for searching.

Please join us at Disneyland (inside or outside the park). I need to
learn how you "repossessed" your daughters coins (that might be needed in
a few years!).  See you online...

Bert
Location Keeper



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re (elongates) Arkansas
Date: 15 Aug 1997 12:01:41 -0700

On 8/15/97 6:09 AM Jeff Dixon ([e-mail] ) wrote

>Does eBay have elongated coins?
>
>- Jeff

Yes they (eBay) do have EC's, look at:

http://www2.ebay.com/aw/listings/lists/list-123/list-123.html

That's the Exonumeria, Tokens, Medals section. Also use the search button
and you'll occaisionally find some in the coin section. Search for
'elongate' and 'elongated.' Be sure to register as a buyer first, so you
can bid. FYI, they have a buyer/seller rating system so you can see what
other people have said about previous transactions. Chris Aahz "is the
man" when it comes to being a great trader (just check out all the nice
things people have said).

So I hope that helps, and I hope you get some cool buys... There are a
few small lots of EC's there now, with no bids, and starting at $5.00. I
learned it is important to have your subject areas (for collecting EC's)
in mind before you get to eBay... Just my lesson learned  8-)

bc



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Occupations?
Date: 15 Aug 1997 15:22:54 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-08-15 09:11:23 EDT, you write:

> What!?!?!  There is a machine at the Children's Museum.  Cool.  That means
>  the Boston area is up to 10.
>

Bet it has a picture of a REALLY OLD child on it! :-)

-Bob Hoff's evil twin



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Occupations?
Date: 15 Aug 1997 15:24:19 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-08-15 04:19:07 EDT, you write:
> >Message from Bob Hoff:
> > I'm a "bit odd" and happy to admit it. :-)
>
>      Only a bit?  Well, you just slipped down a peg in my book ;)

Well, OK, maybe I'm "a bit" modest when I say that.  Read on, bet I'll earn
back my old place in your book!  :-) :-)

>
>  > I'm a tired and re-tired Multi- licensed CFP.  I still enjoy managing a
> very
>
>      Pardon the ignorance, but what's 'multi-licensed' mean in this
>  context?

Thought you'd never ask! :-)  Wish I were still practicing, this would be a
great plug!

Many financial practitioners provide general financial plans that cover the
basics in a general sense and later bring in other "team" members that have
the specialized knowledge and hold the legally required licenses / degrees to
discuss / advise the client about specific parts of the financial plan such
as Real Estate, Securities, Life or Disability Insurance, or any investment
advise.

Many wealthy clients don't mind the number of billings but, dislike any
confusion or lack of integration.  As a Certified Financial Planner also
licensed as a Series 7 Stock Broker, Real Estate Broker, Life and Disability
General Agent, and Registered as an Investment Advisor,  I was able to
provide a comprehensive and integrated plan / consultation for my clients.
  Sorry to say, the clients made the money not me, I was a fee-only
consultant and implemented plans through the clients existing "Financial Team
Members".  Moral:  When your #1 job is to cut costs for your client, don't be
a "cost" to your client. :-(

Now, I have only one client, me. However, seems if I was to pick only one
client, I could have made a better choice!  Maybe one that's not so grumpy?
 :-)

>
>  > My daughter, Ana"stasi"a  is 11 years old, more mature than my wife or
I,
> and
>  > a great "penny machine finder".
>
>      Now she's got the career *I* want!

     :-)  Me too!

>  > We collect elongated coins as a family.  We have passes to Disneyland
and
>  > although my favorite ride is the "bench ride", I still can drop a few
> coins
>  > in the penny machines without getting too tired. (Keep me in mind for
>  > Disneyland "fill ins")  We also take a lot of trips along the West Coast

> and
>
> Will you and the family be making it to the meet?  Bert's
>  bringing his little helper and better half (she couldn't be worse could
>  she 8-), so you wouldn't be the only family there.

Very much appreciate the invite.  There is a very important family birthday
that weekend.  Haven't been given the date yet.  But, hope it's not the same
day.  We hope to be able to meet with the group at the park.  I would like to
meet you all personally so you'll know who you're "talking" to. (Of course,
you all know I'm 30, 6'4", 240 and a Fabio look-a-like, but, you haven't met
my old, gray, grumpy evil twin or my (I mean my evil twin's)
far-too-good-for-him family have you? :-)

***************************************** NOTICE
*******************************************

Note to all list members.  If a machine is "down" at Disneyland or you just
need the "new ones" (fill-ins),  let me know and I'll try and roll them for
you.  I would do the whole set, but, I'm still wore out from rolling my
first, last and only Disney set.  It took two trips and most of six hours
(although they were fun hours).  I am however, able to make it to a *couple*
of machines before it's time for a nap.  Hopefully, my daughter will offer to
roll some sets this next year. She's in great health and has the energy, but
"dad" still won't let her go to the park by herself. ;-)

Just e-mail me.

Happy Collecting,
-Bob Hoff
TEC#2033



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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Occupations?
Date: 15 Aug 1997 15:33:36 -0400

At 03:24 PM 8/15/97 -0400, you wrote:
Message from Bob Hoff:
>***************************************** NOTICE
>*******************************************
>
>Note to all list members.  If a machine is "down" at Disneyland or you just
>need the "new ones" (fill-ins),  let me know and I'll try and roll them for
>you.  I would do the whole set, but, I'm still wore out from rolling my
>first, last and only Disney set.  It took two trips and most of six hours
>(although they were fun hours).  I am however, able to make it to a *couple*
>of machines before it's time for a nap.  Hopefully, my daughter will offer to
>roll some sets this next year. She's in great health and has the energy, but
>"dad" still won't let her go to the park by herself. ;-)

If I was totally naive, I would say, "Isn't Disneyland safe - just because
it's Disney?"

But, I heard the story about the kid that was kept alive until he left the
park grounds.
That's why they slowed down Space Mountain.

- Jeff

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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) WDW penny set - you know who you are
Date: 15 Aug 1997 15:53:26 -0400


Hey,

For the people who graciously sent me money for the WDW penny sets.  Thank
you.

I'm off for a trip to Hawaii. :)

Just kidding...

Anyways, Bob's package has arrived (it's been sitting in the PO all week -
they didn't realize).  As soon as I pick up the package tomorrow, I'll be
depositing
all of the checks made out to me.  If you thought I already cashed your
check, please
make sure you have enough money in your account. :)

Woo hoo!

- Jeff

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Software Engineer/Memory Czar
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411 Waverley Oaks Road
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Boston Childrens' Museum
Date: 15 Aug 1997 16:26:25 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-08-15 15:32:11 EDT, you write:

> What!?!?!  There is a machine at the Children's Museum.  Cool.  That means
>  the Boston area is up to 10.
>

> Bet it has a picture of a REALLY OLD child on it! :-)
>
>-Bob Hoff's evil twin >>

Well, I'll let you know tonight 1) if it really exists and 2) what's on it.
 It's supposed to be near the Hood Milk Bottle, which itself would make for a
nice design.  I'm hoping to duck out soon to check it all out if only my boss
would leave already....



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) New member boom!
Date: 15 Aug 1997 16:29:15 -0400 (EDT)


I have a question about the list.  The messages I get seem to come out of
order.  At first I thought it was just that I was reading them in reverse
chron as AOL displays them to me and I was just reading replies before the
originals.  But then today I got a whole bunch that are originals to the
replies that I read yesterday and the day before.

I'm not complaining, mind you.  I like puzzles just fine.  But if there's a
method to the madness, I'd like to discover it.  Like are all the messages
released at once (sort of like electronic hounds?) and so if I just read at a
particular time of day and in chron order, then I'd be able to follow the
thread?

Baffled in Boston



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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Boston Childrens' Museum
Date: 15 Aug 1997 16:31:25 -0400

Yes.  The Children's Museum is right across from the Hood Milk Bottle.

- Jeff

At 04:26 PM 8/15/97 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 97-08-15 15:32:11 EDT, you write:
>
>> What!?!?!  There is a machine at the Children's Museum.  Cool.  That means
>>  the Boston area is up to 10.
>>
>
>> Bet it has a picture of a REALLY OLD child on it! :-)
>>
>>-Bob Hoff's evil twin >>
>
>Well, I'll let you know tonight 1) if it really exists and 2) what's on it.
> It's supposed to be near the Hood Milk Bottle, which itself would make for a
>nice design.  I'm hoping to duck out soon to check it all out if only my boss
>would leave already....
>
>
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Software Engineer/Memory Czar
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411 Waverley Oaks Road
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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) New member boom!
Date: 15 Aug 1997 15:00:19 -0700

On 8/15/97 1:29 PM [e-mail] ([e-mail] ) wrote

>
>I have a question about the list.  The messages I get seem to come out of
>order.

Messages will appear in order of the time they were sent. "Time sent" is
the time your computer stamps on your email as they are sent out. That
means if two of us in California send email at the same second, and my
computer's clock is off by 10 minutes, you will see my message second,
and possible have other messages in between the 2.

Soooo, it is important to have your computer clock set as accurately as
possible. You can call a local number in your area, get the time from the
Naval Observatory Web Site, etc.

Of course there are other factors, like the speed each of our ISP's
deliver and send mail with, etc. But your computer's clock is the largest
contributing factor.

Bert



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Boston Childrens' Museum
Date: 15 Aug 1997 18:15:52 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-08-15 16:28:22 EDT, you write:

> Well, I'll let you know tonight 1) if it really exists and 2) what's on it.
>   It's supposed to be near the Hood Milk Bottle, which itself would make
for
> a
>  nice design.  I'm hoping to duck out soon to check it all out if only my
> boss
>  would leave already....
>

Don't forget to get some trades! :-)

-Bob Hoff



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) New member boom!
Date: 15 Aug 1997 18:17:17 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-08-15 16:31:22 EDT, you write:

> I have a question about the list.  The messages I get seem to come out of
>  order.  At first I thought it was just that I was reading them in reverse
>  chron as AOL displays them to me and I was just reading replies before the
>  originals.  But then today I got a whole bunch that are originals to the
>  replies that I read yesterday and the day before.
>
>  I'm not complaining, mind you.  I like puzzles just fine.  But if there's
a
>  method to the madness, I'd like to discover it.  Like are all the messages
>  released at once (sort of like electronic hounds?) and so if I just read
at
> a
>  particular time of day and in chron order, then I'd be able to follow the
>  thread?
>
>  Baffled in Boston
>
Dear Baffled in Boston;

I have the very same problem.  Sometimes I write an answer only to find a
better one has already been posted or the answer is first, the question the
next day.  I too use AOL for e-mail..

-Bob Hoff



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From: tony dinto <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) occupationns
Date: 15 Aug 1997 18:50:12 +0000

Hi,
 Iam a repairman, I work on small motors, and DENTAL STUFF.
The Co. I work for sells drills and machines for carving just about
anything. I will get nada out of this, but if anyone would like a
catalog, email me direct. It will take a few days, but you will get one.
Tony Dinto



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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Cleaning oddity
Date: 15 Aug 1997 18:51:10 -0400

Chris Aahz wrote:
>
> On Thu, 14 Aug 1997, Mary C. and Ben L. wrote:
>
> > >         Any thoughts on what happened here?
> > > Yup I have one.  Read the vinegar bottle.  It will usually give you an
> > acid percentage; generally between 5-10%. Pennies, especially 98% copper
> > wheaties are fairly susceptible (<-- that word just doesn't look right.)
> > to corrosion. Hence your missing features and hole.  In fact, I
> > understand that the vinegar acid level rises as the water content
> > decreases.
>
>         Okay, the bottle says "Reduced with water to 5% acidity".  The
> question becomes why did it much up the elongate, but not the round pennies?

OK, let me take a stab at this.  I would suspect it has something to do with:
    A) The possibility of a different alloy from the elongate to the round pennies.
    B) A difference in the metallurgy once the penny has been rolled. (Ever noticed
       how they're warm after you roll them?) i.e. The composition of the metal has
       has been altered. or-
    C) The round pennies were coated with enough oxide and gook (<-- Hi-tech term)
       to slow the etching.

How's that?

Ben

>                 Peace,
>
>                         Aahz
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>           Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
> The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
> List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
> Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
> "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Occupations?
Date: 15 Aug 1997 18:55:03 -0400

Chris Aahz wrote:
>
> On Thu, 14 Aug 1997, Mary C. and Ben L. wrote:
>
> > I doubt there's a corelation. But I'll go next: Police Officer.
>
>         Thanx for the warning ;)

WE ARE THE GREAT BLUE SALMON OF JUSTICE SWIMMING UPSTREAM AGAINST THE CURRENT OF CRIME!

(I stole that from my favorite cartoon: "The Tick.")

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>           Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
> The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
> List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
> Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
> "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Occupations?
Date: 15 Aug 1997 19:12:53 -0400

Jeff Dixon wrote:
>
> What!?!?!  There is a machine at the Children's Museum.  Cool.  That means
> the Boston area is up to 10.
>
> - Jeff

Hmmmm.

Stone Zoo
Franklin Park Zoo
Museum of Science (2)
Aquarium

WHAT AM I MISSING JEFF???

Ben



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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Info: Boston Machines
Date: 15 Aug 1997 19:17:52 -0400

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> Don't know if you consider it Boston, but there is a machine at the Capron
> Zoo in Attleboro -- straight down 95.  Found it on the way to Roger Williams
> Park Zoo in Providence which also has a machine -- since it's only 45
> minutes, I consider it part of Boston.  (I grew up in the midwest where 45

Some Rhode Islanders might disagree...

 minutes was really nothing at all.)  Actually, since Roger Williams has the
> Dinosaur exhibit now, I was figuring they'd have added a second machine since
> the Minnesota Zoo had a dinosaur machine when it had the same exhibit there.
>  Also heard of a machine at the Childrens' Museum in Boston and my sister has
> a penny with the State House on it that she swears she got by the Swan Boat
> rides -- though that was a long time ago.

Anyone check out the New England Science Center in Worcester yet?  (They have a mama and
papa and baby polar bears there too!)

Jeff, how come we haven't found these yet?

Ben



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Boston: Children's Museum and Computer Museum
Date: 15 Aug 1997 19:37:35 -0400 (EDT)


Yes, there is a machine at the Children's Museum.  It's on the second floor
just as you pass the guy who is supposed to take your ticket and stamp your
hand.  The guy there tonight didn't seem all that interested in his job as I
strolled right past him.  Anyway, the vertical design is of the Hood Milk
Bottle and the lettering says "The Children's Museum" at the top and "Boston"
at the bottom.  For those not of Boston, the Hood Milk Bottle is a twenty,
twenty five foot tall wooden milk bottle outside the museum from within which
they sell Hood Dairy products like ice cream sandwiches and, so the sign
says, hot oriental noodles.  Egad, what a combination!  The machine is the
same variety that they have at the Science Museum, but this one is wound a
little too tight because the pennies come out curled.  I haven't tested them
to see if they float.

And, since the Computer Museum is right next door, I went in and discovered a
machine there too just inside the door.  It's a hand cranked machine, four
designs.  However, this machine isn't wound tight enough because you get only
about two thirds of the design on each penny.  Of course, I ran a whole set
anyway.  Designs are: "The Virtual Worlds Gallery" with a three d hand
sticking out of concentric circles; "The Computer Museum, www.tcm.org,
Boston" with hefty stick figure people sitting on and standing around a
silicon chip; "The Computer Museum" with a Lost in Space looking robot; and
"The Computer Museum, www.tcm.org, Boston" logo.  I took down the maker and
serial number of the machine, some outfit in NH that I never heard of and
will write them asking if they're going to fix the machine.

I stopped by the Tea Party Ship on my way back across the channel, but no
machine there.  I also thought briefly about going into the Federal Reserve
Building to see if they had anything, but I suppose the mutilation of coins,
legal or not, is probably not something they find amusing.  It would make for
a cool coin, though.

So, anyone wanting Children's Museum or Computer Museum error coins, let me
know and I'll go roll them.  Both places are just across from where I work
and I can always use a distraction.



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Info: Boston Machines
Date: 15 Aug 1997 20:27:21 -0400 (EDT)


Obviously, I've been in around too long and have picked up the pervasive
mentality that all of New England is just an extension of Boston.  I
apologize for possibly offending anyone from the Ocean State.  Actually, I
wish them all the luck in the world taking the Pats away from Foxboro, the
residents of which probably don't like being associated with Boston either.
 Better that than move the whole thing into Southie.

As for the NE Science Center, I was going to check that out this weekend.
 Trivia: the polar bears there are the mate and child of "Major" at the Stone
Zoo.  Since Major has his own coin, I don't see why Minor and Kendra wouldn't
as well.



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Message Routing
Date: 15 Aug 1997 20:43:06 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-08-15 19:44:25 EDT, you write:

> Dear Baffled in Boston;
>
>  I have the very same problem.  Sometimes I write an answer only to find a
>  better one has already been posted or the answer is first, the question
the
>  next day.  I too use AOL for e-mail..
>
>  -Bob Hoff

Okay, if I was in a detective mood, I would be checking out the routing
information at the bottom of each message.  I'm not going to blame AOL.  I
actually like their service.  Nonetheless, truer geeks than I can set me
straight, but I think the path a message takes through the internet and
various service providers is hardly etched in stone -- I imagine it's like
routing long distance telephone calls.  The messages go to whatever mail
server is available, each ISP having several mail servers or is itself
associated with other ISPs with several mail servers, all of which probably
vary in capacity and speed.  Though, I'd have to expect all follow "first in,
first out" rules, so they are all actually sending messages out in order.
 But maybe once in a while, a reply takes a shortcut through just a couple of
quicker mail servers, while its counterpart original takes the long way
through several slower servers?  On the other hand, what do I know?  I got my
cs degree when the VAX 11/780 was the machine of choice.



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Cleaning oddity
Date: 15 Aug 1997 23:05:50 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 8/15/97 1:28:24 PM China Daylight Time, you write:

<<     Okay, the bottle says "Reduced with water to 5% acidity".  The
 question becomes why did it much up the elongate, but not the round pennies?
>>

The wheaties are coppers. The elongate must have been a zinc.
The zinc is very reactive with an acid. The copper is relatively acid
resistant.
It's time for a science experiment.




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) New member boom!
Date: 15 Aug 1997 23:18:02 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-08-15 21:04:44 EDT, you write:

> Of course there are other factors, like the speed each of our ISP's
>  deliver and send mail with, etc. But your computer's clock is the largest
>  contributing factor.
>
>  Bert

Okay, I started to follow what you said about my clock being off, which was
by about ten minutes (slow).  I can see how that would affect closely spaced
messages, but I'm getting widely spaced messages out of sequence too.

For example, I sent an original message to the mailing list last night.  This
morning around 9:00 EDT, I got replies to it and even replies to the replies.
 Late this afternoon, as a member of the mailing list, I finally got my own
original message back time stamped at the top TODAY at 17:25 EDT.

Curiously, when I look at the bottom, it confirms that I sent it last night
at 22:01.  If I'm reading it right, AOL took about half an hour to get it to
xmission at 21:30 EDT, xmission subtracted three hours (presumably for the
coast difference) and sent it out at 19:29.  That all seems reasonable.  So,
now I'm ever more confused.



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From: "tink!!!" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re (elongates) Arkansas
Date: 15 Aug 1997 20:40:07 -0700

> >hey, bert, have you seen chris' two sheets he =claims= were in his
> >binder???
>
> What binder  8-E

hmm, what?  did i say 'binder'???  that's not what i meant-what i meant
to say was, err, you know...
--
"There's still a part of me that's
16 and I'm going to nuture it"-Keith Richards
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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Other collections (was: Re: (elongates) Occupations?)
Date: 15 Aug 1997 20:53:03 -0700 (PDT)


On Fri, 15 Aug 1997, John & Nancy Wooten wrote:

> One other thing I want to mention!  I collect several other small,
> inexpensive items, but you people are the only ones I have come in
> contact with that are more interested in helping each other out then
> making "big bucks" from something that should be fun.  My hat's off to
> you all!!!  You're my kind of people.

    Well, thank you, now "Put that hat back on or you'll catch your
death of cold!" 8-)

    I wrote in article for the Spring issue of TEC News about the
true 'profit' of collecting.  Perhaps I'll post it here sometime so it
will get put into our archives.  Essentially, I have ALWAYS been a
collector.  I've collected tons of different things and lost the pleasure
of each one due to the ultimate focus on financial profits.  Modern
elongates are essentially worthless.  Yet they're still cool!  That's one
of my favorite things about collecting.  I always keep my eyes out for
things other people like and pick them up when I can.  I then pass them
on at cost (in trade or cash).  It's all about FUN!

    Anywayz, this does bring another thought to mind.  We've done
vocation, how 'bout avocations?  What else do y'all collect?  Other
hobbies?

            Peace,

                Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re (elongates) Arkansas
Date: 15 Aug 1997 21:05:21 -0700 (PDT)


On Fri, 15 Aug 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> That's the Exonumeria, Tokens, Medals section. Also use the search button
> and you'll occaisionally find some in the coin section. Search for
> 'elongate' and 'elongated.' Be sure to register as a buyer first, so you


    Well, so much for the "good ol' days" when I used to win 75% of
the elongates on eBay at opening bid.  <sigh>

    Thanx Bert!   ;)

            Peace,

                Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Occupations?
Date: 16 Aug 1997 00:13:13 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-08-15 18:27:41 EDT, you write:

> but
>  >"dad" still won't let her go to the park by herself. ;-)
>
>  If I was totally naive, I would say, "Isn't Disneyland safe - just because
>  it's Disney?"
>
>  But, I heard the story about the kid that was kept alive until he left the
>  park grounds.
>  That's why they slowed down Space Mountain.
>

WHOOOOOOOAAAHAAA

What I should have said was... " I don't want to be left out when she goes,
so I tell her she can't go by herself".  Sorry it didn't sound the way I ment
it. :-(

Generally, the park is safe for kids.  Not perfect, but very good.  Didn't
mean to worry you about safety at least not at Disneyland!

As a sideline, at one time, Space Mountain really was WAY TOO FAST at least
for this old guy.

-Bob Hoff



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) WDW penny set - you know who you are
Date: 16 Aug 1997 00:13:22 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-08-15 23:05:50 EDT, you write:

> Hey,
>
>  For the people who graciously sent me money for the WDW penny sets.  Thank
>  you.
>
>  I'm off for a trip to Hawaii. :)
>
>  Just kidding...
>
>  Anyways, Bob's package has arrived (it's been sitting in the PO all week -
>  they didn't realize).  As soon as I pick up the package tomorrow, I'll be
>  depositing
>  all of the checks made out to me.  If you thought I already cashed your
>  check, please
>  make sure you have enough money in your account. :)
>
>  Woo hoo!
>
>  - Jeff
>

Aloha Jeff! :-)

Seriously, thanks for your help.

-Bob Hoff
TEC#2033



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Other collections (was: Re: (elongates) Occupations?)
Date: 15 Aug 1997 23:06:07 -0500

>         Anywayz, this does bring another thought to mind.  We've done
> vocation, how 'bout avocations?  What else do y'all collect?  Other
> hobbies?
>
>                         Peace,
>
>                                 Aahz
>
Great question.  I enjoy collecting certified Kennedy Halves and Ike
dollars.  I am also trying to put together a set of Proof Silver Eagle
dollars.  With the exception of one coin, the 1995W, I am finished.
Only 30,125 were minted, and they currently hover around the $700 mark.
Due to the scarcity and price it may take me awhile to complete that
series.

I also have experience with U. S. Mint & Proof Sets, and seem to learn
more each week.

I agree with what you said about elongates being fun, but relatively
worthless.  In addition, they are also a great tool for teaching my
children how to collect and care for something without putting me over
budget.

Trey



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From: "tink!!!" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Occupations?
Date: 15 Aug 1997 21:19:14 -0700

> Generally, the park is safe for kids.  Not perfect, but very good.
> Didn't mean to worry you about safety at least not at Disneyland!
>
> As a sideline, at one time, Space Mountain really was WAY TOO FAST
> at least for this old guy.

hey now!!!  for those of us meeting at dl, and if you haven't checked it
out in a while, that matterhorn is faster!!!  it's great;>

nikki
--
"There's still a part of me that's
16 and I'm going to nuture it"-Keith Richards
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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Cleaning oddity
Date: 15 Aug 1997 21:16:24 -0700 (PDT)


On Fri, 15 Aug 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> In a message dated 8/15/97 1:28:24 PM China Daylight Time, you write:
>
> <<     Okay, the bottle says "Reduced with water to 5% acidity".  The
>  question becomes why did it much up the elongate, but not the round pennies?
> >>
>
> The wheaties are coppers. The elongate must have been a zinc.
> The zinc is very reactive with an acid. The copper is relatively acid
> resistant.
> It's time for a science experiment.

    I've been doing the experiment over the last few days and have
come to the same conclusions that you stated above.  The thing that
really made me question was that I was pretty darn sure the elongate was
on a pre-'82.  Here's why:

    I purchased a lot of four elongates on -line.  The lady who sold
them to me purchased them at a garage sale somewhere back east (maybe
mid-west).  All four coins were from the L.A. area including a coin show
issue (dated 1976), and two Busch Gardens LA coins (which closed in the
late 70s, I think.  SAo, I figured the fourth was from around the same
time.  Guess I was wrong!!

            Peace,

                Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
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From: "tink!!!" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Other collections (was: Re: (elongates) Occupations?)
Date: 15 Aug 1997 21:42:53 -0700

>         Anywayz, this does bring another thought to mind.  We've
> done vocation, how 'bout avocations?  What else do y'all collect?
> Other hobbies?

let's see...marbles, female action figures, halloweenie stuff, pez
dispensers, and other things i'm sure i'll think of later;>  other
hobbies?-playing bass badly, going to disneyland, going out with
friends...

-nikki
--
"There's still a part of me that's
16 and I'm going to nuture it"-Keith Richards
http://www.concentric.net/~dvlgrl66/
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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Occupations?
Date: 15 Aug 1997 21:55:46 -0700 (PDT)


On Fri, 15 Aug 1997, tink!!! wrote:

> hey now!!!  for those of us meeting at dl, and if you haven't checked it
> out in a while, that matterhorn is faster!!!  it's great;>

    The Matterhorn has always been my favorite ride.  When I was in
high school we went to DL at least once a month and Matterhorn was always
my first and last ride.  Of course, Space Mountain came darn close to
replacing it.  There's no such thing as a roller coaster going too fast.

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Bad News
Date: 15 Aug 1997 22:05:30 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings and Salutations!

    First, a little tip:  don't ever drive 674 miles in a 12 hour
shift (never going more then 125 miles from the starting point) without
having slept the night before.  This could very well lead to taking a
short cut off a freeway offramp and sliding about 50 yards down a steep
grade.  And THIS can lead to some serious damage to your undercarriage,
which is what happened to mine.

    As a result, The Beast will need to be in the shop yet again this
weekend.  This bill is going to strip a fair amount of my cash set aside
for DL.  So, I am not going to be to guarantee getting anybody a DL set.
If you want one and were counting on me picking it up, I'm sorry.
Perhaps one of the others can pick up the slack for me.

    Actually, the set runs around $50 (give or take depending on how
many machines are down).  If you want to be guranteed a set, send me a
$50 check to arrive before 9/5 and I'll use the cash to pick up a set for
ya.  We can work out the difference in trade or cash when I get back.

        Peace,

            Aahz


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Mail Lag Explanation
Date: 15 Aug 1997 22:37:46 -0700 (PDT)


    Okay, several people have questioned and (and tried to answer)
why list messages often arrive out of order.  First, the disclaimer:  I'm
only going to share what I know and this is little.  Any knowledge I have
has come from trial and error or reading system/software docs that I do
not remotely understand.

    Okay, first off, Bert's clock theory does not apply on the
mailing list.  The message that you each receive is not the same message
that is sent by the sender.   It is a completely new message created by
the majordomo software running at XMission.  Sorry, Bert.

    Second, net-routing has already been mentioned.  As an example,
my personal phone line, my ISP's server and eBay's server all exist on
the exact same phone exchange here in San Jose.  However, messages that I
receive from eBay have taken numerous routes making between 3 and 18
stops, including several going thru germany for some reason and
occaisonally Japan.  The point: net-routing is essentially unpredictable.

    Third, and the only really new info, is how majordomo and
XMission work at processing the lists messages.  When you send a message
to "[e-mail]", majordomo puts a copy in
"elongates-digest"s mail box for archiving and forwards a new message
containing the old message to "[e-mail]".  Majordomo put's
a copy in elongate's archives and creates ANOTHER entirely new message
containing the old message and attempts to send it to the first person on
the list of s*bscribers (in this case, [e-mail], aka me).  If
it receives confirmation that the message was delivered it temporarily
removes vmphntr from the s*bscription list and moves on to the next name
(in this case, [e-mail]) and waits for confirmation of
receipt.  If it receives it the process continues as above.  If majordomo
receives an undeliverable message it leaves davidaaron on the list, but moves
on to the next name anyway.  When it reaches the end of the list it goes
back to the beginning and retries the addresses that did not succeed for
some reason.

    Bear in mind that majordomo does this operation seperately for
EACH message sent to EACH list hosted at XMission.  That means the little
bugger is VERY busy.  So, it doesn't always get back to retrying the
undeliverables right away.  While you're sitting in the undeliverable
pile for message A, message B (the reply to message A) may get through to
you on the first try.  Thus, you receive it before message A.

    There are as many reasons you could be undeliverable as there are
computers on the 'net.  I regularly get messages sent to
([e-mail] which are automatically forwarded to
[e-mail]) that the address [e-mail] is in an unknown domain!
This is because the server at Amdahl seems to be ignoring my ISP.

    Okay, that's the best I can do on the big-picture.  If y'all have
questions about any smaller part of this let me know and I'll give ya my
best answer.

    And, for the first clarification:

On Fri, 15 Aug 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> Curiously, when I look at the bottom, it confirms that I sent it last night
> at 22:01.  If I'm reading it right, AOL took about half an hour to get it to
> xmission at 21:30 EDT, xmission subtracted three hours (presumably for the
> coast difference) and sent it out at 19:29.  That all seems reasonable.  So,
> now I'm ever more confused.

    Majordomo at xmission created the message at 19:29 based on THEIR
computer's clock (which is on Utah time).  However, the message sat in
the undeliverable pile until a few seconds before you received it.
    That sentence doesn't seem to make much sense, but I hope it does
given the long explanation above.  If not, ask again and I'll make up
something that sounds better 8-)

            Peace,

                Aahz


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
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From: Matthew Birchard <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Re: Other collections
Date: 16 Aug 1997 01:01:17 -0700 (PDT)

    Other collections, well, geez, what do you mean?  There is
nothing other than elongates to collect.  Elongates are life, elongates
are good.  Did you know the US penny was designed specifically to be
rolled betweem two high pressure steel drums to create an image on the
copper?  It is true, I swear.  Anyway....
    I seriously do have other collections.  Elongates actually take a
backseat to my other collections.  My most expensive and expansive
collection is my classic video game collection.  I have several hundred
dollars worth of stuff that literally overfills a closet of mine.  I've
been collecting old/classic video games since February and I'mtruly
addicted.  In my computer room (where I obviously am currently) I have
seven different game systems set up and ready to play.  For the famed
Atari 2600 I have total, 143 different games, plus half as many
duplicates.  But, the specific game system which has become my favorite,
is the Milton Bradley Microvision.  The Microvision is the world's first
hand-held, cartridge-based video game system.  It is like the great
grandpa of the Gameboy.  I'd almost say that I have as much, if not more
Microvision stuff than ANYONE on the 'net.  I've contributed a lot of
information to the Microvision FAQ aswell.  Within a year I plan to have
the difinitive Microvision web site up and running.  It will be complete
if I can get ahold of the TV commercial from 1979.  Plus I'm currently
working on some deals with folks in Europe to get the european releases
of the games.  Anyway, that is probably more than you ever cared to know,
but you asked, so...Oh, also I'm going to be purchasing a full-sized
arcade video game cabinet.  It will have to go in my bedroom, but THAT
will be cool. For the video game collection I go to local thrift stores 3
times a week. I also go to flea markets and garage sales often.  When
describing how I am with the Microvision especially I like to put it this
way: I've fallen into the deep end and been sucked against the drain.
    I have the "collector gene" in me and I have other collections of
things, but I only collect for some now.  There is a difference between
collecting and having a collection.  Anyway, I must get sleep now, it is
nearly 1:00am and I don't want to slide off any off ramps while driving
tomorrow.  :-)

Matt Birchard
"I buy old video games; got anything to sell or give away free?"
Portland, Oregon
USA

e-mail:  [e-mail]




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From: Bob Fritsch <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) New Location Ideas
Date: 16 Aug 1997 08:02:04 -0400

Jeff Dixon wrote:
>
> Location ideas:
> Storyland, Conway, NH

A friend just handed me an elongate from there, so you can switch
Storyland to your active list.

Regards,

Bob Fritsch
mailto:[e-mail]




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From: Bob Fritsch <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Occupations?
Date: 16 Aug 1997 09:02:19 -0400

In the spirit of the list, here are my occupations:

    Numismatist
    Coin Club President, Secretary, Member, Director, Participant
(depending upon which club you're talking about!)
    World Traveller
    Cryptologist
    Retired Navy CPO
    Author and Editor

Regards,

Bob Fritsch
mailto:[e-mail]



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From: Bob Fritsch <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) New member boom!
Date: 16 Aug 1997 10:11:27 -0400

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> Okay, I started to follow what you said about my clock being off, which was
> by about ten minutes (slow).  I can see how that would affect closely spaced
> messages, but I'm getting widely spaced messages out of sequence too.
>

I use Netscape Mail and get messages out of sequence also.  I just open
a different folder then go back to my Inbox, and lo and behold!, they
are in order.

Must be something about how the mail handler grabs each message in the
queue.

Bob Fritsch
mailto:[e-mail]

P.S.  Don't forget to come to the NENA show next weekend.  Ray Dillard
will be there squashing coins.



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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re (elongates) Arkansas
Date: 16 Aug 1997 09:57:54 -0400

Chris Aahz wrote:
>
> On Fri, 15 Aug 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:
>
> > That's the Exonumeria, Tokens, Medals section. Also use the search button
> > and you'll occaisionally find some in the coin section. Search for
> > 'elongate' and 'elongated.' Be sure to register as a buyer first, so you
>
>         Well, so much for the "good ol' days" when I used to win 75% of
> the elongates on eBay at opening bid.  <sigh>
>
>         Thanx Bert!   ;)

Yeah. Thanks Bert!  Now I'm addicted too.

Ben

>                         Peace,
>
>                                 Aahz
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>           Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
> The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
> List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
> Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
> "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Other collections (was: Re: (elongates) Occupations?)
Date: 16 Aug 1997 10:09:05 -0400

tink!!! wrote:
>
> >         Anywayz, this does bring another thought to mind.  We've
> > done vocation, how 'bout avocations?  What else do y'all collect?
> > Other hobbies?

Well now let's see...

Boats (Power. No Sailbote for me!) Kayaking - whitewater and touring, rafting, SCUBA
diving, motorcycling, hiking and climbing, rockhounding, mountain biking, collecting
fast food and cereal toys...

I need:
    A) ...a more lurative career.
    B) ...to win the lottery.
    C) ...to rob a large bank.
    D) ...all of the above.

Ben



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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) New Location Ideas
Date: 16 Aug 1997 10:13:39 -0400

Bob Fritsch wrote:
>
> Jeff Dixon wrote:
> >
> > Location ideas:
> > Storyland, Conway, NH
>
> A friend just handed me an elongate from there, so you can switch
> Storyland to your active list.
>
> Regards,
>
> Bob Fritsch
> mailto:[e-mail]


Waaaaaaaaaaaaah!

I drove by it 2 weeks ago.  BTW I think Storyland is actually in Jackson, NH.  No big
deal; next town.

Ben



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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Occupations?
Date: 16 Aug 1997 10:16:22 -0400

Oh yeah...

Did I mention that I collect custom, handmade and factory knives as well?

For anyone who's interested, there is a one day knife show at the Holiday Inn in
Marlborough, MA on August 17.  The hotel phone # is 508-481-3000.

Ben



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Other collections (was: Re: (elongates) Occupations?)
Date: 16 Aug 1997 11:39:05 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-08-16 00:16:56 EDT, you write:

> I agree with what you said about elongates being fun, but relatively
>  worthless.  In addition, they are also a great tool for teaching my
>  children how to collect and care for something without putting me over
>  budget.
>
>  Trey
>

Hi Trey;

Most "current" elongates may not be 1995W's, but, they do sell quickly.  I
have seen many lots sell on the net.  Not for big bucks, but, they don't cost
much at the start either.  I think that make for a fun collectable!

-Bob Hoff
TEC#2033



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Cleaning oddity
Date: 16 Aug 1997 09:18:00 -0700

On 8/15/97 8:05 PM [e-mail] ([e-mail] ) wrote

>
>The wheaties are coppers. The elongate must have been a zinc.
>The zinc is very reactive with an acid. The copper is relatively acid
>resistant.
>It's time for a science experiment.

The copper is electro-coated onto the zinc. Smashing a penny thins the
copper, exposing the zinc. Then the acid (vinegar, lemon juice, many
polishes, etc) can go to work.

bc



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Email Delays (More Details)
Date: 16 Aug 1997 09:32:34 -0700

On 8/15/97 8:18 PM [e-mail] ([e-mail] ) wrote

>Curiously, when I look at the bottom, it confirms that I sent it last night
>at 22:01.  If I'm reading it right, AOL took about half an hour to get it to
>xmission at 21:30 EDT, xmission subtracted three hours (presumably for the
>coast difference) and sent it out at 19:29.  That all seems reasonable.  So,
>now I'm ever more confused.

Without getting to far from EC's... Many ISP's on the net use a common
mail system (POP/SMTP). This is the 'engine' that we all don't see (under
the hood) that drives our email. SMTP servers and POP (for Post Office
Protocol 3) servers work together. You need 1 of each server for a
complete mail system. One server gets the mail off the net and sends it
to the other, so you can log in and get it. Some of your delays are
probably caused by the heavy AOL mail traffic and all the transfers
required from SMPT servers and POP servers.

Also, AOL is heavily filtering their email these days, trying to help you
get less spam (junk email by the kilo-ton). This filtering might be
adding a little overhead (delay). I have an AOL account but try not to
use it much for many of these reasons. I am moving to a cable modem and
service provided by Cox Communications/@Home. I send to the list and my
message is usually automatically downloaded by Claris Emailer within 2
minutes. XMission seems to be pretty good on handling the mail, so I
would think your delays are more AOL-based.

One last note... I saw the first 8 messages of the mail bomb come into my
system and new majordomo was having problems. So I set up a couple of
filters (point and click, it took 2 minutes and was very easy to do) and
then automagically all 580 (or whatever the final count was) emails
routed themselves into my Deleted mail folder. I quickly scanned them and
then deleted them. Emailer pulls emails from all 3 of my email accounts
and sorts them, filters them and makes it very easy for me to work with
everything. End of Shameless plug for Emailer.


bc



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Email Delays (More Details)
Date: 16 Aug 1997 09:50:47 -0700 (PDT)


On Sat, 16 Aug 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> to the other, so you can log in and get it. Some of your delays are
> probably caused by the heavy AOL mail traffic and all the transfers
> required from SMPT servers and POP servers.
>
> Also, AOL is heavily filtering their email these days, trying to help you
> get less spam (junk email by the kilo-ton). This filtering might be
> adding a little overhead (delay). I have an AOL account but try not to

    But all these AOL issues don't explain why I get such serious
mail-lag.  svpal is a VERY small ISP and they do not filter at all. My
problem has to be somewhere along the route it takes to get here.

> minutes. XMission seems to be pretty good on handling the mail, so I
> would think your delays are more AOL-based.
>

    Yeah, Bert, but you're also like third on the list!  When I was
second on the list I got no mail lag whatsoever.  Now that I'm like 30th
(I uns*bscribed and res*bscribed while testing the web page Kathy set
up)  my mail lag is MUCH worse.

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) New England Science Center (Worcester)
Date: 16 Aug 1997 13:31:33 -0400 (EDT)


I sent an e-mail to the New England Science Center and it turns out they have
a machine as well.  Design is the name of the center and a maple leaf.  I'm
going out  tomorrow (Sunday) to see the center anyway.  So, anyone desiring
to trade for a NESC penny, please let me know.



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: Other collections
Date: 16 Aug 1997 11:10:18 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings and Salutations!

    I've loved reading about other people's hobbies.  I, too, scour
thrift shops/garage sales/flea markets when I get the time (and have the
few bucks required).  Collecting vampires can be difficult as there are
vampires in just about every collecting field and there's no way to cover
them all.  So, if y'all come across any vampire related stuff while
pursuing your other collections, please let me know!  If it's under $15
just go ahead and pick it up for me and I promise I'll pay ya back
(cashor trade in what you're looking for).

    If there are any small items that you've been unable to locate
that have a shot at being found in the these "bargain basements" drop me
a line and I'll keep my eyes open for ya.  The two collections that were
mentioned and come to mind were fast food toys and video game carts, but
any others as well!

            Peace,

                Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Occupations?
Date: 16 Aug 1997 11:28:40 -0700

On 8/16/97 6:02 AM Bob Fritsch ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Numismatist
>    Coin Club President, Secretary, Member, Director, Participant
>(depending upon which club you're talking about!)
>    World Traveller
>    Cryptologist
>    Retired Navy CPO
>    Author and Editor

Bob, you are one coool dude!

bc



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Occupations?
Date: 16 Aug 1997 11:32:15 -0700 (PDT)

On Sat, 16 Aug 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> On 8/16/97 6:02 AM Bob Fritsch ([e-mail] ) wrote
>
> >    Numismatist
> >    Coin Club President, Secretary, Member, Director, Participant
> >(depending upon which club you're talking about!)
> >    World Traveller
> >    Cryptologist
> >    Retired Navy CPO
> >    Author and Editor
>
> Bob, you are one coool dude!
>
> bc

    I wanna be Bob when I grow up!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~






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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Location Help
Date: 16 Aug 1997 13:55:43 -0700

Hi All,

We had a power outage here, while my email was opened and I lost all
emails from 8/11 - 8/16. There have been many Location Reports during
this period and I need your help getting these one more time. Sorry for
the inconvience!

Sheryl, can you please resend your great location emails, I want to be
sure to get them all posted asap.

Thanks everyone!

Bert



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Location Help
Date: 16 Aug 1997 16:58:21 -0400 (EDT)

Sure, Bert... No problem!  Consider them on their way, as soon as I get back
to Mike's home (and his MUCH faster 'puter than mine!).  I may have to
re-type the info, so give me a day or two to get to it!  Thanks!

SheryL



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Location Help
Date: 16 Aug 1997 13:58:42 -0700 (PDT)


On Sat, 16 Aug 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> We had a power outage here, while my email was opened and I lost all
> emails from 8/11 - 8/16. There have been many Location Reports during

    The mailing list archives are updated immediately and
automatically upon receipt of a new message.  So, if you send a message
to [e-mail] with the command "get elongates
archives/elongates0897 you will receive the archive for this month up-to
and including this very message.

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Location Help
Date: 16 Aug 1997 14:07:39 -0700

On 8/16/97 1:58 PM [e-mail] ([e-mail] ) wrote

>Sure, Bert... No problem!  Consider them on their way, as soon as I get back
>to Mike's home (and his MUCH faster 'puter than mine!).  I may have to
>re-type the info, so give me a day or two to get to it!  Thanks!
>
>SheryL

Sheryl,

THANKS for yor fast response. I HATE to ask you to retype it - but you
had GREAT locations that are important to get out to everyone. Sorry for
the hassle.

bc



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Archive correction
Date: 16 Aug 1997 14:02:38 -0700 (PDT)


    Sorry, my last message gave the wrong info.  The correct command
is: get elongates archive/elongates.9708

        Peace,

                Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Susan B Anthony ECs
Date: 16 Aug 1997 15:03:48 -0700

Greetings All,

I am looking for Susan B. Anthony EC's. Anyone know of machine locations
(doubtful) or have some to trade (hopeful)?

You can reach me off the list at [e-mail]

Bert



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Archive correction
Date: 16 Aug 1997 20:03:42 -0400 (EDT)

Hello everyone!
   I'm new here and having a lot of fun with this stuff.  My boyfriend and
started collecting our smashed pennies on one of our first dates, the Santa
Monica Pier.  Now we look for machines wherever we go.
   We only collect from places we visit, so we are not into the trading
aspect of the hobby. I will say I live in Southern CA, and if anyone needs
any coins from this locale, and we happen to be going there, I would not have
any problem picking up extras for any of you who might be interested.  Guess
you can send your So CA wish lists to me, as long as you aren't in any big
hurry.
   Well, gotta run, but I wanted to intro. myself to all of you!  Have fun,
be safe...
SheryL





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From: James Henry <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Bad News
Date: 16 Aug 1997 19:00:59 -0500

Since I just got back from an antique buying trip and caught up on my
mail, I will be the next to go about occupations, especially after
reading Chris' driving experience.  In the morning I am a daycare
supervisor at a grade school for some kids who come early before school.
In the afternoon, yes Chris you can have lessons, I am a driver
education teacher.  Have done it in the past for 7 years and restarted
it again this summer.  In between times I was a driver license examiner
and took you poor people out on the drives to get that license.  Maybe
Chris we can trade some off that list of yours for some lessons!!!

Janelle (Minnesota Flats)
Tina (Little Flats)-driver in training in the future (5 more
years)-should be real good by them



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From: James Henry <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) jeff-Hawaii
Date: 16 Aug 1997 19:17:19 -0500

After noticing Jeff bidding heavily on ebay, I am questioning if we will
ever see those pennies from WDW.  Does anyone else see the connection!
Are those emails coming from Hawaii or was that to throw us off!  Is he
in Europe smashing pennies!

Janelle (Minnesota Flats)and flat broke too!!



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From: James Henry <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) pennies
Date: 16 Aug 1997 20:03:39 -0500

Well I am going out this week on a mission.  I owe, I owe, so off to
work I go.  I am going to hit the Mall of America for 7 pennies,
Underwater World for 3 pennies, the Science Museum for 1 penny, and the
Minnesota Zoo for 18 pennies.  I believe I owe Gina all 28 and Chris
wanted the 3 new ones from the Zoo.  If I owe anyone, please let me know
ASAP and if you want any of the above, please let me know ASAP as I hope
to go out on Tuesday on this Mission of God (Blues Brothers).

Janelle



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From: James Henry <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Texas pennies
Date: 16 Aug 1997 20:58:42 -0500

Who is in charge of Texas and the pennies there?  I need to talk to you.
 I think I am missing some from the Dallas Zoo and maybe others.  Please
call home ET.



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Occupations?
Date: 16 Aug 1997 22:25:08 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-08-15 05:44:29 EDT, you write:

<<
 No Bert. until now the jokes were pretty much limited to donuts.  Thanks
 oh so much.
  >>

Too bad Dunkin Donuts don't have penny machines!
(sorry I had to!)
Liz



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Texas elongates
Date: 16 Aug 1997 22:30:05 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-08-15 10:00:54 EDT, you write:

<<
 Hello:
     I just began collecting and I am interested in buying or trading for
 elongated from Texas.  I am close to Chicago and have duplicates of most
 elongates from Chicago.
 Thanks,
 Mike
 [e-mail] >>

I have 2 pennies from Texas: San Jacinto Monument and Battleship Texas
Wanna Trade?



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Dunkin' Donuts
Date: 16 Aug 1997 19:42:20 -0700

On 8/16/97 7:25 PM Liz Dale ([e-mail] ) wrote

>In a message dated 97-08-15 05:44:29 EDT, you write:
>
><<
> No Bert. until now the jokes were pretty much limited to donuts.  Thanks
> oh so much.
>  >>
>
>Too bad Dunkin Donuts don't have penny machines!
>(sorry I had to!)
>Liz'

A TRUE STORY: My wife was in Connecticut recently and went to a Dunkin'
Donuts with friends of ours. There was a small cup by the cash register
with pennies in it. Uppers, you guested it, there was a smashed penny in
it. It was what I call a "natural" -- smashed on train tracks or other
similar method. Yes, being a good trader she dropped a pre-smashed penny
in the cup. Sooo, goin' to Dunkin' Donuts could be good for your penny
collecting!

bc



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Archive correction
Date: 16 Aug 1997 19:45:11 -0700

On 8/16/97 5:03 PM [e-mail] ([e-mail] ) wrote

>   Well, gotta run, but I wanted to intro. myself to all of you!  Have fun,
>be safe...
>SheryL

I wanted to let you list-ners know Sheryl sent me a wonderful list of
locations! I am working on getting the new locations up on the Smashed
Coin Locator site. THANKS to Sheryl and her boyfriend!

bc



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Bad News
Date: 16 Aug 1997 20:01:45 -0700 (PDT)


On Sat, 16 Aug 1997, James Henry wrote:

> In the afternoon, yes Chris you can have lessons, I am a driver
> education teacher.  Have done it in the past for 7 years and restarted
> it again this summer.  In between times I was a driver license examiner
> and took you poor people out on the drives to get that license.  Maybe
> Chris we can trade some off that list of yours for some lessons!!!

    Actually I was a Driving Instructor myself and am still certified
to do so.  Driving is one of the two things I do well and the other is a
matter of pure subjective opinion.  I went off the road because I had the
choice of doing that or literally driving over the idiot in th Miata that
decided to stop rather then merge.  had I actually slept the night before
I would not have been following her as close as I was and the choice
would not have to be made.  I drive 60K+ miles a year and have done so
for the last 8 years or so and have still managed to not hit or be hit by
another car or pedestrian.  Even when I was doing drivers training I
managed to keep my students from hitting thing and was the only one at my
company to pull that off for a year.

    Wow, just realised that comes off sounding very defensive and
hurt.  Not my intent.  But I do take a lot of pride in my skills behind
the wheel.  And my record shows it's justified.

> Tina (Little Flats)-driver in training in the future (5 more
> years)-should be real good by them

    Never try to teach your own kids to drive.  Even though you're a
trained instructor the 'Mom' part will take over.  And it won't be pretty 8-)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Texas pennies
Date: 16 Aug 1997 20:18:55 -0700 (PDT)


On Sat, 16 Aug 1997, James Henry wrote:

> Who is in charge of Texas

    The oil interests and the Dallas Cowboys.

> and the pennies there?  I need to talk to you.
>  I think I am missing some from the Dallas Zoo and maybe others.  Please
> call home ET.

    Oh, the Pennies!  That would be Kathy.  You can check what you
have against her web page at: http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Other collections (was: Re: (elongates) Occupations?)
Date: 16 Aug 1997 23:32:17 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 8/16/97 1:16:56 PM China Daylight Time, you write:

<< Great question.  I enjoy collecting certified Kennedy Halves and Ike
 dollars.  I am also trying to put together a set of Proof Silver Eagle
 dollars.  With the exception of one coin, the 1995W, I am finished.
 Only 30,125 were minted, and they currently hover around the $700 mark.
 Due to the scarcity and price it may take me awhile to complete that
 series.   >>

Geez, you got me all excited! I have two 1995 Silver Eagles, so I went
running to my collection. But alas, they were P mint marked. Where is W?

Mickey



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Other collections (was: Re: (elongates) Occupations?)
Date: 16 Aug 1997 22:39:55 -0500

> Geez, you got me all excited! I have two 1995 Silver Eagles, so I went
> running to my collection. But alas, they were P mint marked. Where is W?
>
> Mickey

Hi Mickey,
The 1995W's were a limited production coin produced at the West Point
Mint, and were included as part of the 1995 Gold Eagle Coin set.  The
gold sets normally consist of 4 coins, but in 1995 there was a little
"surprise".
Eagles are relatively inexpensive to collect - about $25 on average.
Unfortunately the little "surprise" in 95 will make it hard for many of
us to ever have a complete collection. However, I have not given up yet.
Trey



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Texas Site to Check Out
Date: 16 Aug 1997 21:31:00 -0700

Hi All,

For Kathy or anyone in Texas (or going to Texas) could you check out this
report:

>Rolled penny, shows an old time horse & wagon with nice detail. Above this
>it has The Salado Peddler, and below Salado Texas.

bc
Location Keeper



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Texas Site to Check Out
Date: 16 Aug 1997 21:32:55 -0700 (PDT)


On Sat, 16 Aug 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> >Rolled penny, shows an old time horse & wagon with nice detail. Above this
> >it has The Salado Peddler, and below Salado Texas.

    I dunno know about there being a machine for this I received the
coin from Berni Myles (it's a brazzell coin) and took it for a store card.

        Peace,

            Aahz



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From: Bob Fritsch <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) New Location Ideas
Date: 17 Aug 1997 06:33:57 -0400

Mary C. and Ben L. wrote:
>
> I drove by it 2 weeks ago.  BTW I think Storyland is actually in Jackson, NH.  No big
> deal; next town.

OOPS!  My error.  The piece is from Santa's Village in Jefferson, NH.
And it's a double-sider.  No markings to originator.

Bob Fritsch
mailto:[e-mail]



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From: Bob Fritsch <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Occupations?
Date: 17 Aug 1997 06:50:46 -0400

Bert Creighton wrote:
> Bob, you are one coool dude!
and Chris Aahz wrote:
>         I wanna be Bob when I grow up!

<BLUSH>

Actually, it's been one hell of a good life.  Made lots of mistakes
along the way but wouldn't trade any of it.  All I want to trade are
coins!  ;>

Bob Fritsch
mailto:[e-mail]



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From: Bob Fritsch <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Susan B Anthony ECs
Date: 17 Aug 1997 06:56:47 -0400

Bert Creighton wrote:
> I am looking for Susan B. Anthony EC's. Anyone know of machine locations
> (doubtful) or have some to trade (hopeful)?

I'll have Ray Dillard smash some at NENA with our 1997 theme USS
CONSTITUTION.  It will be a penny-sized die however.

Anybody else?  Reply directly to me (click on my address below) NOT the
list.  I'll charge $2 per piece postpaid.  Please include your SnailMail
address.

Regards,

Bob Fritsch
mailto:[e-mail]



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From: James Henry <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Other collections (was: Re: (elongates) Occupations?)
Date: 17 Aug 1997 09:19:44 -0500

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> > Geez, you got me all excited! I have two 1995 Silver Eagles, so I went
> > running to my collection. But alas, they were P mint marked. Where is W?
> >
> > Mickey
>
> Hi Mickey,
> The 1995W's were a limited production coin produced at the West Point
> Mint, and were included as part of the 1995 Gold Eagle Coin set.  The
> gold sets normally consist of 4 coins, but in 1995 there was a little
> "surprise".
> Eagles are relatively inexpensive to collect - about $25 on average.
> Unfortunately the little "surprise" in 95 will make it hard for many of
> us to ever have a complete collection. However, I have not given up yet.
> TreyLet me know what exactly you are hunting for.  My son will be graduating
in December from West Point and I will be out there in September and
December.  Some cadet may have it or some officer.

Janelle



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) New England Science Center (Worcester)
Date: 17 Aug 1997 10:57:36 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 8/16/97 10:33:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time, you write:

<< I sent an e-mail to the New England Science Center and it turns out they
have
 a machine as well.  Design is the name of the center and a maple leaf.  I'm
 going out  tomorrow (Sunday) to see the center anyway.  So, anyone desiring
 to trade for a NESC penny, please let me know.
  >>

Sure, I'd like one.
I'll have to check, but I have Santa Cruze beach and Boardwalk, Winchester
Mystery House and various from San Francisco to trade.

Thanks
Mickey Morgan
[e-mail]



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: Other collections
Date: 17 Aug 1997 11:09:46 -0400 (EDT)

     Regarding myself and pastimes.
I spend my days deep inside a hospital, maintaining the mechanical systems
that make our buildings a little self-contained city. Not much potential for
collecting elongates here and we've yet to get our own machine in the lobby:)
I run a youth program that own a couple of boats which we maintain and
operate. Mainly a 95' PT boat, a 63' AVR and a Columbia 40 sailboat.
     I collect lapel pins from places that I've been (as well as a few gifts
from other places.) US Mint coin sets for the last 12 years, and anything
relating to Mickey Mouse as The Sorcerer's Apprentice. Oh yes, elongates,
currently mostly places of interest.

See ya
Mickey M
TEC Cyberling 2115



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) New Location Ideas
Date: 17 Aug 1997 09:02:32 -0700

On 8/17/97 3:33 AM Bob Fritsch ([e-mail] ) wrote

>
>OOPS!  My error.  The piece is from Santa's Village in Jefferson, NH.
>And it's a double-sider.  No markings to originator.
>
>Bob Fritsch
>mailto:[e-mail]

OK BOB! Back to the html! (I knew I should wait to put up that home
page!)  8-)

Thanks for the update!  bc



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From: James Henry <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) New England Science Center (Worcester)
Date: 17 Aug 1997 11:05:42 -0500

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> In a message dated 8/16/97 10:33:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time, you write:
>
> << I sent an e-mail to the New England Science Center and it turns out they
> have
>  a machine as well.  Design is the name of the center and a maple leaf.  I'm
>  going out  tomorrow (Sunday) to see the center anyway.  So, anyone desiring
>  to trade for a NESC penny, please let me know.


I would like one.

Janelle



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: Other collections
Date: 17 Aug 1997 09:26:05 -0700

On 8/17/97 8:09 AM [e-mail] ([e-mail] ) wrote

> US Mint coin sets for the last 12 years, and anything
>relating to Mickey Mouse as The Sorcerer's Apprentice. Oh yes, elongates,
>currently mostly places of interest.

I have been experimenting with a Sorcerer's Apprentice smashed penny from
Disneyland. I use pennies with a heavy, dark patina. Smash them in the
Penny Arcade machine. Then use a very light steel wool to brighten only
Mickey and the border dots. Come out pretty neat. Also works well on the
San Diego Aerospace Museum's Spirit of St Louis coin... I will bring them
to DL so some of you can see them.

bc



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Re (elongates) Arkansas
Date: 17 Aug 1997 12:53:01 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-08-16 11:45:55 EDT, you write:

>     Well, so much for the "good ol' days" when I used to win 75% of
>  the elongates on eBay at opening bid.  <sigh>
>
>      Thanx Bert!   ;)
>
>              Peace,
>
>                  Aahz
>

But, lots eaier to sell. :-)

-Bob Hoff
TEC#2033



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: Other collections
Date: 17 Aug 1997 13:51:13 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-08-17 11:11:28 EDT, you write:

> nd anything
>  relating to Mickey Mouse as The Sorcerer's Apprentice.

Mikey;

You do have the elongated with Mickey Mouse as The Sorcerer's Apprentice?
Can get it for you if not.

-Bob Hoff
TEC#2033



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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Occupations?
Date: 17 Aug 1997 14:01:02 -0400

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> In a message dated 97-08-15 05:44:29 EDT, you write:
>
> <<
>  No Bert. until now the jokes were pretty much limited to donuts.  Thanks
>  oh so much.
>   >>
>
> Too bad Dunkin Donuts don't have penny machines!

They don't.  But I always check the 'take a penny cup' just in case!

Ben

P.S. When I grow up I want to onw a Dunkin Donuts franchise!
 (sorry I had to!)
> Liz



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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) New Location Ideas
Date: 17 Aug 1997 14:03:39 -0400

Bob Fritsch wrote:
>
> Mary C. and Ben L. wrote:
> >
> > I drove by it 2 weeks ago.  BTW I think Storyland is actually in Jackson, NH.  No big
> > deal; next town.
>
> OOPS!  My error.  The piece is from Santa's Village in Jefferson, NH.
> And it's a double-sider.  No markings to originator.
>

Cool! I'll check it out!

Ben



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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: Other collections
Date: 17 Aug 1997 14:09:52 -0400

Chris Aahz wrote:
>
>
>
>         If there are any small items that you've been unable to locate
> that have a shot at being found in the these "bargain basements" drop me
> a line and I'll keep my eyes open for ya.  The two collections that were
> mentioned and come to mind were fast food toys and video game carts, but
> any others as well!
>Yeah... Anything Glow-in-the-dark or color-change (i.e. toys) you come accross, let me
know.

Thanks.

Ben
>



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Other collections (was: Re: (elongates) Occupations?)
Date: 17 Aug 1997 15:19:49 -0500

> > Trey
Let me know what exactly you are hunting for.  My son will be graduating
> in December from West Point and I will be out there in September and
> December.  Some cadet may have it or some officer.
>
> Janelle

Thanks for the offer. It is a 1995W Proof Silver Eagle Dollar.
Trey



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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) New England Science Center (Worcester)
Date: 17 Aug 1997 19:01:58 -0400

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> I sent an e-mail to the New England Science Center and it turns out they have
> a machine as well.  Design is the name of the center and a maple leaf.  I'm
> going out  tomorrow (Sunday) to see the center anyway.  So, anyone desiring
> to trade for a NESC penny, please let me know.

So how was it????  I went there about 15-20 years ago and it was pretty cool.  The
pressing machine is a nice bonus.

Ben



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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Location Query.
Date: 17 Aug 1997 19:23:26 -0400

Hi All.

Has anyone checked out the Niagara Falls penny/dime locations posted a while ago?

I'm taking a little motorcycle trip out there in a couple weeks.  If anyone has new
info, let me know.  If not I'll check it out.

Also, I don't know if I ever mentioned this to the list, but on US 1 in the Florida Keys
there is a gift shop (Actually It's several shops but you can't tell from the outside.)
It is somewhere between Key Largo and Islamorada.  You can't miss it. There is a GIANT
(like 20 feet long) lobster out be the road.  At that spot there is a hand cranked, four
die machine.  I forget what the designs are.  And just to add a little more intrigue, I
recall that the owner info was "Key West Coins" in Key West.  I haven't really done any
more research yet but I'd be surprised if there aren't more machines lurking in the
Keys.

BTW the Keys are splendid.  Stay away from Key West during Spring Break (Spring Brawl?
End of Feb. to Beginning of April -- I can only take so many drunken idiots on
scooters. I think they threw them out of Ft. Lauderdale.)

For you divers out there if any, Lady Cyana Divers in Islamorada is a first rate PADI 5
Star facility all the way.  Beautiful wreck and reef dives, good boats and crew too.
E-mail me off the list for more info.

That's just about enough for now.

C-Ya

Ben

B



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From: Bob Fritsch <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: Other collections
Date: 17 Aug 1997 20:09:54 -0400

Which collections are we talking about?

Basic:  Just about anything I ever bought or was given. ;>

Numismatic:
    Circulating coins of countries I've visited (24 currently)
    Medals of the New England Numismatic Association
    New Hampshire Town Medals, Woods, Elongates, and Encased
    Mardi Gras Doubloons
    Ancients (read more than I buy).
    Books, catalogs, mail offers, etc
    Convention material that I have gathered (mainly NENA and ANA)

Books:    General library of about 6,000 books mostly mysteries, action
novels, technothrillers, and histories

Experiences:
    Photos, postcards, magnets, and other souvenirs of places I've been
    Patches, coffee cups, lighters of Navy ships I've embarked.

Clubs:    19 numismatic clubs, associations and societies
    5 Sherlock Holmes societies
    7 Veteran's organizations
    about a dozen others of various types

Did I forget anything?

Regards,

Bob Fritsch
mailto:[e-mail]



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) DL Location
Date: 17 Aug 1997 22:09:57 -0400 (EDT)


Hi;

As of today, the quarter machine that was located at Teddi Bears's Arcade,
machine number 012431, which offered the Disneyland Hotel, Mickey Mouse, and
Sleeping Beauty's Castle, has disapeared. In it's place is a stuffed animal
"claw game".  Could not find it in the park.  No, folks, I didn't hook the
pickup to it.  If I had, I would have at least offered trades at two for one!
:-)


-Bob Hoff
TEC#2033



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Roger Williams Park Zoo (Providence, RI)
Date: 17 Aug 1997 22:23:14 -0400 (EDT)


I went by the zoo today in Providence and the designs have changed from a few
months ago.  They now have a cheetah, penquin, t-rex, and wolf.  If these are
new to you too and you'd like to trade, let me know.

Also, I'm going to a family reunion in Ohio next weekend, so if you'd like
anything from Sea World of Ohio, let me know.  They have probably a dozen or
so designs.



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From: Ross <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Anybody home in Boston?
Date: 17 Aug 1997 22:16:05 +0000

I've recently purchased a penny press that has dies of four Boston, Mass
historical attractions. The U.S. Constitution being one. I'm looking to
find someone in/near Boston that can help me find a good location to put
this press into service. At present this is a hand cranker but can be
converted into a coin-op crank machine. Anyone have any ideas?
Thanks
[e-mail]
TEC
Jackson, Mississippi



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Location Keeper Update (Arizona)
Date: 17 Aug 1997 21:59:58 -0700

Hi Everyone!

I have updated the Smashed Coin Locator's Arizona Page with a new site,
Flagstaff's Sunset Crater. This location is from a USENET message I
found. That brings Arizona up to 12 locations! Guess we are going to need
a road trip to AZ soon (after the heat of the summer is over).

The Smashed Coin Locator is at:

http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/SmashedCoins.html

Bert Creighton
Location Keeper



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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Boston: Children's Museum and Computer Museum
Date: 18 Aug 1997 08:34:16 -0400

Cool.  So the Boston area is up to 15!

- Jeff
At 07:37 PM 8/15/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
>Yes, there is a machine at the Children's Museum.  It's on the second floor
>just as you pass the guy who is supposed to take your ticket and stamp your
>hand.  The guy there tonight didn't seem all that interested in his job as I
>strolled right past him.  Anyway, the vertical design is of the Hood Milk
>Bottle and the lettering says "The Children's Museum" at the top and "Boston"
>at the bottom.  For those not of Boston, the Hood Milk Bottle is a twenty,
>twenty five foot tall wooden milk bottle outside the museum from within which
>they sell Hood Dairy products like ice cream sandwiches and, so the sign
>says, hot oriental noodles.  Egad, what a combination!  The machine is the
>same variety that they have at the Science Museum, but this one is wound a
>little too tight because the pennies come out curled.  I haven't tested them
>to see if they float.
>
>And, since the Computer Museum is right next door, I went in and discovered a
>machine there too just inside the door.  It's a hand cranked machine, four
>designs.  However, this machine isn't wound tight enough because you get only
>about two thirds of the design on each penny.  Of course, I ran a whole set
>anyway.  Designs are: "The Virtual Worlds Gallery" with a three d hand
>sticking out of concentric circles; "The Computer Museum, www.tcm.org,
>Boston" with hefty stick figure people sitting on and standing around a
>silicon chip; "The Computer Museum" with a Lost in Space looking robot; and
>"The Computer Museum, www.tcm.org, Boston" logo.  I took down the maker and
>serial number of the machine, some outfit in NH that I never heard of and
>will write them asking if they're going to fix the machine.
>
>I stopped by the Tea Party Ship on my way back across the channel, but no
>machine there.  I also thought briefly about going into the Federal Reserve
>Building to see if they had anything, but I suppose the mutilation of coins,
>legal or not, is probably not something they find amusing.  It would make for
>a cool coin, though.
>
>So, anyone wanting Children's Museum or Computer Museum error coins, let me
>know and I'll go roll them.  Both places are just across from where I work
>and I can always use a distraction.
>
>
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Jeff Dixon                [e-mail]
Software Engineer/Memory Czar
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence      http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154



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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) jeff-Hawaii
Date: 18 Aug 1997 09:32:51 -0400

*grin*

Ok.  Here's the quick scoop on WDW pennies, eBay, and other stuff:

First, on the WDW pennies.  They're going out as soon as the checks and my
paycheck clears.  If people are sending packages to me - they might want to
send them to my work address instead.  This is due to the fact that I can't
get packages until Saturdays.  The post office doesn't open until 8:00am.
My wife and I pass it at 7:50am in order to make it to work on time.

On eBay, ouch!  Uhhh, let's just say Jeff learned his lesson.  I kept bidding
and next thing I knew, I wracked up ~70.00!  Yikes!  I'll completely honor
all bids, but I hadn't planned on spending that much.

As much as Europe/Hawaii would be quite fun, Mr. CollegeLoan has my butt
for the
next year.

- Jeff



At 07:17 PM 8/16/97 -0500, you wrote:
>After noticing Jeff bidding heavily on ebay, I am questioning if we will
>ever see those pennies from WDW.  Does anyone else see the connection!
>Are those emails coming from Hawaii or was that to throw us off!  Is he
>in Europe smashing pennies!
>
>Janelle (Minnesota Flats)and flat broke too!!
>
>
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Jeff Dixon                [e-mail]
Software Engineer/Memory Czar
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence      http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154



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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) New member boom!
Date: 18 Aug 1997 09:36:36 -0400

I think Netscape might grab files by size.

- Jeff
At 10:11 AM 8/16/97 -0400, you wrote:
>[e-mail] wrote:
>>
>> Okay, I started to follow what you said about my clock being off, which was
>> by about ten minutes (slow).  I can see how that would affect closely
spaced
>> messages, but I'm getting widely spaced messages out of sequence too.
>>
>
>I use Netscape Mail and get messages out of sequence also.  I just open
>a different folder then go back to my Inbox, and lo and behold!, they
>are in order.
>
>Must be something about how the mail handler grabs each message in the
>queue.
>
>Bob Fritsch
>mailto:[e-mail]
>
>P.S.  Don't forget to come to the NENA show next weekend.  Ray Dillard
>will be there squashing coins.
>
>
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Jeff Dixon                [e-mail]
Software Engineer/Memory Czar
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence      http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154



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From: James Henry <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Roger Williams Park Zoo (Providence, RI)
Date: 18 Aug 1997 08:39:25 -0500

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> I went by the zoo today in Providence and the designs have changed from a few
> months ago.  They now have a cheetah, penquin, t-rex, and wolf.  If these are
> new to you too and you'd like to trade, let me know.
>
> Also, I'm going to a family reunion in Ohio next weekend, so if you'd like
> anything from Sea World of Ohio, let me know.  They have probably a dozen or
> so designs.


I would like all the above.

Janelle Henry



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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Dunkin' Donuts
Date: 18 Aug 1997 10:00:24 -0400

Sometimes when the line was really long at D&D - I used to look through the
need a penny cup.  If I found pre-82 pennies, I would trade them for new ones.
However, one day this woman got all upset.  I haven't done it since.

- Jeff

At 07:42 PM 8/16/97 -0700, you wrote:
>On 8/16/97 7:25 PM Liz Dale ([e-mail] ) wrote
>
>>In a message dated 97-08-15 05:44:29 EDT, you write:
>>
>><<
>> No Bert. until now the jokes were pretty much limited to donuts.  Thanks
>> oh so much.
>>  >>
>>
>>Too bad Dunkin Donuts don't have penny machines!
>>(sorry I had to!)
>>Liz'
>
>A TRUE STORY: My wife was in Connecticut recently and went to a Dunkin'
>Donuts with friends of ours. There was a small cup by the cash register
>with pennies in it. Uppers, you guested it, there was a smashed penny in
>it. It was what I call a "natural" -- smashed on train tracks or other
>similar method. Yes, being a good trader she dropped a pre-smashed penny
>in the cup. Sooo, goin' to Dunkin' Donuts could be good for your penny
>collecting!
>
>bc
>
>
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Jeff Dixon                [e-mail]
Software Engineer/Memory Czar
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence      http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) New England Science Center (Worcester)
Date: 18 Aug 1997 12:43:32 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-08-18 03:14:31 EDT, you write:

<< So how was it????  I went there about 15-20 years ago and it was pretty
cool.  The  pressing machine is a nice bonus. >>

In the end, I liked the NESC pretty well.  It's one of those older places,
not as slick [read: well-funded] as the Boston Museum of Science.  It's
showing it's age, but it makes up for it in charm.  The bottom floors are
filled with old natural history museum sorts of things, e.g., rocks, fossils,
small aquariums, stuffed wild animals in glass cases with the native habitats
painted on the walls behind them.  Anyway, the cool part is upstairs where
they have a Mars exhibit and there's a model Sojouner made out of yellow
Legos (I kid you not) that they strapped a motor and camera to.  It's
tethered to a pole above and you can operate it remotely to manuever it
around the sand and rocks.  On some of the larger rocks, they've taped signs
that you have to get the right distance and angle from in order to read.  I
liked it because it reminded me of something that my brother would have built
from his Legos (still would build, actually).  And it seemed appropriate
considering how the real Sojourner was cobbled together from odd parts.  Wish
they'd put that Lego rover on the coins instead of a maple leaf, but oh,
well....



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From: Alan Kita <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Message Routing
Date: 18 Aug 1997 09:56:34 -0800

I don't know for certain but I think the messages are encoded with a
time code by your own PC and sometimes by your ISP (internet service
provider).  I would think AOL would put Greenwich time codes on any
messages it sends on, but it could be entirely possible that AOL encodes
a time based on when it actually receives and sends your message and
that this time is also dependent on your own computer's clock.

Marxen, for example...the headers on your messages indicates a time like
this...

Fri, 15 Aug 1997 20:43:06 -0400 (EDT)

And on my own mail reader, it indicates that your message was received
by my ISP on Fri. 4:43 pm.  Both I and my ISP are located on the Pacific
Coast and we both are on PDT.  20:43 - 0400 = 16:43 which is 4:43 pm.
OK this matches.

But at times I have messages come in from someone that says something
like 8/18/96 and my mail reader is set to sort by date so this messages
jumps to the top of my list.  I don't think the ISP is that slow, in
fact the message replies to something current, so the only possibility
is that the sender's computer clock is set to the wrong year.

We've tried this out at work...when one of our macs goes down, you can
tell when the user forgets to set his/her computer's clocks, because the
times are all screwed up.

Oh, I checked my messages today in order, so please forgive me if
someone else had already responded to this...

Alan

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> In a message dated 97-08-15 19:44:25 EDT, you write:
>
> > Dear Baffled in Boston;
> >
> >  I have the very same problem.  Sometimes I write an answer only to find a
> >  better one has already been posted or the answer is first, the question
> the
> >  next day.  I too use AOL for e-mail..
> >
> >  -Bob Hoff
>
> Okay, if I was in a detective mood, I would be checking out the routing
> information at the bottom of each message.  I'm not going to blame AOL.  I
> actually like their service.  Nonetheless, truer geeks than I can set me
> straight, but I think the path a message takes through the internet and
> various service providers is hardly etched in stone -- I imagine it's like
> routing long distance telephone calls.  The messages go to whatever mail
> server is available, each ISP having several mail servers or is itself
> associated with other ISPs with several mail servers, all of which probably
> vary in capacity and speed.  Though, I'd have to expect all follow "first in,
> first out" rules, so they are all actually sending messages out in order.
>  But maybe once in a while, a reply takes a shortcut through just a couple of
> quicker mail servers, while its counterpart original takes the long way
> through several slower servers?  On the other hand, what do I know?  I got my
> cs degree when the VAX 11/780 was the machine of choice.



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Message Routing
Date: 18 Aug 1997 15:25:10 -0400 (EDT)

AOL uses the time settings on your PC.
For example, change the time zone in Windows 95 (double-click the time icon
in the lower right corner) and set it to a different time zone, then watch
the time zone in your messsage header change.

In a message dated 8/18/97 10:16:23 AM Pacific Daylight Time, you write:

<< I don't know for certain but I think the messages are encoded with a
 time code by your own PC and sometimes by your ISP (internet service
 provider).  I would think AOL would put Greenwich time codes on any
 messages it sends on, but it could be entirely possible that AOL encodes
 a time based on when it actually receives and sends your message and
 that this time is also dependent on your own computer's clock.

 Marxen, for example...the headers on your messages indicates a time like
 this...

 Fri, 15 Aug 1997 20:43:06 -0400 (EDT)

 And on my own mail reader, it indicates that your message was received
 by my ISP on Fri. 4:43 pm.  Both I and my ISP are located on the Pacific
 Coast and we both are on PDT.  20:43 - 0400 = 16:43 which is 4:43 pm.
 OK this matches.

 But at times I have messages come in from someone that says something
 like 8/18/96 and my mail reader is set to sort by date so this messages
 jumps to the top of my list.  I don't think the ISP is that slow, in
 fact the message replies to something current, so the only possibility
 is that the sender's computer clock is set to the wrong year.

 We've tried this out at work...when one of our macs goes down, you can
 tell when the user forgets to set his/her computer's clocks, because the
 times are all screwed up.

 Oh, I checked my messages today in order, so please forgive me if
 someone else had already responded to this...
  >>




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From: Bob Bethurem <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re (elongates) Arkansas
Date: 18 Aug 1997 14:36:13 -0600

At 09:30 PM 8/14/97 -0700, you wrote:
>
>On Thu, 14 Aug 1997, Bob Bethurem wrote:
>
>> I am new to the list.  I subscribed after receiving a message inviting me to
>> join as a result of bidding for an item on eBay.
>
>    Welcome!!
>
>> I wish to buy or trade for any elongated cents (and encased cents) relating
>> to Arkansas.  I also buy, sell, and trade Arkansas Civil War and railroad
>> paper, photos and hardware.
>
>    Well, I know I've got a few Arkansas elongates somewhere (my new
>trade list is in progress), but I've got a Pulaski Federal Savings
>(Little Rock) encased cent sitting in front of me right now.  I got it at
>eBay so may have even bid against you or purchased it from you.  Anyway,
>if you want it let me know and we'll work some kind of trade.
>
>        Peace,
>
>            Aahz
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
>The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
>List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
>Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
>"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
>
>
>Chris,

Thanks for the response.  Sorry I am so slow to get back with you.  Let me
know what you are looking for in trade for the Pulaski Federal Savings
encased cent (lucky pennny).

I have only been trying to find encased cents for about six months.  Not all
that easy to find.  I don't seem to find a resource book available.  Got to
be something sonewhere though.  I have found round and horseshoe shaped
aluminum outer parts ecasing or surrounging Indian, wheaties, and memorial
Lincolns.  My best find is a 1901 Indian lucky pocket piece for the
Pan-American Worlds Fair in brown au condition.  I would appreciate any
other info.


Bob





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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) What is an encased cent?
Date: 18 Aug 1997 16:38:40 -0400

What is an encased cent?

- Jeff

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Jeff Dixon                [e-mail]
Software Engineer/Memory Czar
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence      http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) New England Science Center (Worcester)
Date: 18 Aug 1997 18:13:12 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-08-17 12:07:24 EDT, you write:

<<
 >  a machine as well.  Design is the name of the center and a maple leaf.
 I'm
 >  going out  tomorrow (Sunday) to see the center anyway.  So, anyone
desiring
 >  to trade for a NESC penny, please let me know.
  >>
I would like one too...my dad used to live in Framingham!

Liz



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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) New England Science Center (Worcester)
Date: 18 Aug 1997 20:57:03 -0400

[e-mail] wrote:
>
>
> <<
>  >
>
> I would like one too...my dad used to live in Framingham!

Hey! Me too!

Ben

> Liz



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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Anybody home in Boston?
Date: 18 Aug 1997 21:05:09 -0400

Ross wrote:
>
> I've recently purchased a penny press that has dies of four Boston, Mass
> historical attractions. The U.S. Constitution being one. I'm looking to
> find someone in/near Boston that can help me find a good location to put
> this press into service. At present this is a hand cranker but can be
> converted into a coin-op crank machine. Anyone have any ideas?
> Thanks
> [e-mail]
> TEC
> Jackson, Mississippi

Hi Ross.

What are the other dies?  I'm pretty sure there isn't a machine at or near the U.S.S.
Constitution (The oldest commissioned ship in the U.S. Navy BTW) Depending on the type
of financial arrangement you seek, Constitution Wharf might be ideal.  I'm sure the
curators of the ship would be interested in a profit sharing deal since alot of the
ship's maintenance and refitting money comes form non-government sources.

If this sounds to be of interest, e-mail me off the list and I'll see what I can find
out for you.  Another option might be Fanuel (<-- that word just doesn't look right.)
Hall or Haymarket Square.

C-ya.

Ben Lavine   [e-mail]



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Anybody home in Boston?
Date: 18 Aug 1997 21:22:16 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-08-18 13:30:04 EDT, you write:

> I've recently purchased a penny press that has dies of four Boston, Mass
>  historical attractions. The U.S. Constitution being one. I'm looking to
>  find someone in/near Boston that can help me find a good location to put
>  this press into service. At present this is a hand cranker but can be
>  converted into a coin-op crank machine. Anyone have any ideas?
>  Thanks
>  [e-mail]
>  TEC
>  Jackson, Mississippi
>

Suggestion,

Post an address and price for a set of the ec's. :-)  (On pre '82 cents)

-Bob Hoff
TEC#2033



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From: Paul Richards <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: Other collections
Date: 18 Aug 1997 20:40:40 -0400

Hey Bob,

>Which collections are we talking about?
>Just about anything I ever bought or was given. ;>

Wow, I'm impressed.  You must have a lot of STUFF!

My only "other" collection was, of all things, BUTTERFLIES!  Back in the
7th & 8th grade (a long time ago), I would tromp around fields of
wildflowers and snatch up the colorful creatures.  After careful mounting,
they were displayed in a 4x6 foot wooden case on the wall.  A large piece
of window glass protected them.

The butterfly collection lasted 20 years at least.  Then, one day, it was
attacked by thousands of tiny mites.  Ugh.  What a mess.

At least those mites won't attack a coin collection ...

Paul Richards [e-mail]
Stat-Matics http://www.statmatics.com




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From: Bob Fritsch <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) What is an encased cent?
Date: 18 Aug 1997 22:40:00 -0400

Jeff Dixon wrote:
>
> What is an encased cent?

It is a cent that is, well, encased.  In something.  The most common is
an aluminum ring around the cent that carries some type of advertising
on one side and a legend like "Keep me and never go broke," or "I bring
good luck," on the other.

I have seen cents and other coins encased in wood and in other coins and
even in pocket mirrors.

A fascinating branch of the hobby.

Regards,

Bob Fritsch
mailto:[e-mail]



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Winchester Locations Update.
Date: 19 Aug 1997 01:59:23 -0400 (EDT)

Attention location keepers.
I went back to the Winchester Mystery House to load up and to no surprise,
the gift shop machine was jammed and the Firearm Museum machine was way out
of adjustment.

Nonetheless, here are the details:
Location Winchester Mystery House,
CA Historical Landmark 868.
525 So. Winchester Blvd.
San Jose, CA.
408-247-2101

Gift Shop Machine.
Eurolink single coin, Horizontal, silhouette of the house with Winchester
logo inderneath and a rifle. (description from memory as the machine was
jammed)

Firearm Museum machine: (outside in the garden)
Eurolink single coin machine, slightly different than most as there were two
coin sliders, the one on the top held the penny horizontally and loaded it
into the chute. The bottom slider held the two quarters.
Coin: Horizontal with a winchester rifle, Winchester Mystery House above it
"The GUN that WON the WEST" and San Jose (dot) California below the rifle.
No Eurolink e.

Winchester Products Museum machine (to the left of the main gift shop door)
Single Eurolink Machine, Horizontal.
WINCHESTER abobe a flashlite, bicycle and a hammer.
PRODUCTS MUSEUM, SAN JOSE CALIFORNIA on the bottom.
Eurolink e centered under hook.



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) New Location Ideas
Date: 19 Aug 1997 01:59:33 -0400 (EDT)

Two places that could use machines:
The Oakland Zoo at Knowland Park in Oakland CA.
The California Academy of Sciences and Steinhart Aquarium in Golden Gate Park
in San Francisco.



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Boston: Children's Museum and Computer Museum
Date: 19 Aug 1997 01:59:37 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 8/16/97 8:48:56 AM China Daylight Time, you write:

<< bout two thirds of the design on each penny.  Of course, I ran a whole set
 anyway.  Designs are: "The Virtual Worlds Gallery" with a three d hand
 sticking out of concentric circles; "The Computer Museum, www.tcm.org,
 Boston" with hefty stick figure people sitting on and standing around a
 silicon chip;  >>

We may have history here folks, this could be the very first elongate with a
URL.



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Boston: Children's Museum and Computer Museum
Date: 19 Aug 1997 01:59:40 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 8/16/97 8:48:56 AM China Daylight Time, you write:

<< I stopped by the Tea Party Ship on my way back across the channel, but no
 machine there.  I also thought briefly about going into the Federal Reserve
 Building to see if they had anything, but I suppose the mutilation of coins,
 legal or not, is probably not something they find amusing.  It would make
for
 a cool coin, though. >>

I'm not sure about that. If the Fed is like the mint, you may find bags of
shredded currency in there for sale.



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Topeka KANSAS elongated coin machines (fwd)
Date: 18 Aug 1997 23:23:49 -0700 (PDT)

Bear in mind that Vern will not see your reponses to the list.

Aahz

---------- Forwarded message ----------

Since I am not subscribed to elongates list at the moment I thought you
might forward this to the list or to any individuals who might want to
use the information.

I took my grand daughter to the Topeka Zoo and the Kansas Museum of
History.  I stumbled across three EC machines:

One: Animals and Man Building at the Topeka Zoo
     Four dies all with the text "Topeka Zoo"
     1) Rattle Snake (vertical)
     2) Bear (vertical)
     3) Elephant (vertical)
     4) Kangaroo (horizontal)

Two: Discovering Apes Building at the Topeka Zoo
     Four dies all with the text "Topeka Zoo"
     1) Ape (vertical)
     2) Giraffe (vertical)
     3) Lion (vertical)
     4) Eagle (horizontal)

Three: Kansas Museum of History Lobby
       Single die with text "Kansas Museum of History"
       1) Stylized Native American on Horse slaying Bison (vertical)

Whoever uses this data should check my horrible spelling.

I didn't have paper and pen with me so the family memorized what
animal dies were in each building. There may have been machines in
other buildings that we failed to see. Perhaps someone else in Topeka
can add to my data.

I didn't note the machine manufacturer(s), model(s) or owner(s) but
will should I return eventually (it has been many years since I was
at either location.)  On that general subject it would seem that
those who are compiling machine locations ought to be able to get
in contact with the firms/individuals who own the machines and place
them in many of the locations.  I know, some are probably owned by the
organization they are located in but somebody had sell the machines
to the organization.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Verne R. Walrafen, 12000 Sunset Ridge, Ozawkie, KS 66070   [phone]
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
             BS'63-CivilEngineering   MS'76-ComputerScience
 ANA-LM553  NI-LM7  MEPSI-LM1154  SNdeM-C246  USMexNA-4  CoinMaster-315
    Founder of the Revolutionary Mexican Historical Society (RevMex)
 mailto:[e-mail]   http://www.GrasshopperNet.com/walrafen
    WebMaster for the U. S. Mexican Numismatic Association (USMexNA)
mailto:[e-mail]  http://www.GrasshopperNet.com/USMexNA





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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Boston: Children's Museum and Computer Museum
Date: 18 Aug 1997 23:36:16 -0700 (PDT)


On Tue, 19 Aug 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> In a message dated 8/16/97 8:48:56 AM China Daylight Time, you write:
>
> << bout two thirds of the design on each penny.  Of course, I ran a whole set
>  anyway.  Designs are: "The Virtual Worlds Gallery" with a three d hand
>  sticking out of concentric circles; "The Computer Museum, www.tcm.org,
>  Boston" with hefty stick figure people sitting on and standing around a
>  silicon chip;  >>
>
> We may have history here folks, this could be the very first elongate with a
> URL.
>

    Actually, someone (Gina?) posted earlier about a machine at one
of the shops at Universal Studios that had an URL on its reverse.  I
could have details sketchy, but if so, I'm sure someone will correct me.

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
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Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) SF Ferry Building?
Date: 18 Aug 1997 23:45:14 -0700 (PDT)


    Has anyone checked the San Francisco Ferry Building for a
machine?  This is a gorgeous piece of architecture that tons of tourists
pass through each year.  There is an issue from one of the SF expos with
the ferry building on it, but I haven't seen any modern issues and have
never thought to check there.

    Actually what made me think of this was I was rolling by there
today on my way to Petaluma.  I didn't get a very good view inside as I
was driving the bobtail with my lumper in the passenger seat (the Ferry
Building was on my right) and he had no clue what I was talking about,
but couldn't seem to get out of my way.  Besides my attention was split
between trying to see in the building and watching two of the most
beautiful women I've ever seen stroll down the Embarcadero hand in hand
(oh yeah, and I occaisonally had to check the road to 8-)

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Anybody home in Boston?
Date: 19 Aug 1997 08:42:18 -0400

Yes.  That would be cool.  Especially if I leave Boston for the west coast...

- Jeff

At 09:22 PM 8/18/97 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 97-08-18 13:30:04 EDT, you write:
>
>> I've recently purchased a penny press that has dies of four Boston, Mass
>>  historical attractions. The U.S. Constitution being one. I'm looking to
>>  find someone in/near Boston that can help me find a good location to put
>>  this press into service. At present this is a hand cranker but can be
>>  converted into a coin-op crank machine. Anyone have any ideas?
>>  Thanks
>>  [e-mail]
>>  TEC
>>  Jackson, Mississippi
>>
>
>Suggestion,
>
>Post an address and price for a set of the ec's. :-)  (On pre '82 cents)
>
>-Bob Hoff
>TEC#2033
>
>
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Jeff Dixon                [e-mail]
Software Engineer/Memory Czar
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence      http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154



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From: James Henry <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Boston: Children's Museum and Computer Museum
Date: 19 Aug 1997 08:20:31 -0500

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> In a message dated 8/16/97 8:48:56 AM China Daylight Time, you write:
>
> << I stopped by the Tea Party Ship on my way back across the channel, but no
>  machine there.  I also thought briefly about going into the Federal Reserve
>  Building to see if they had anything, but I suppose the mutilation of coins,
>  legal or not, is probably not something they find amusing.  It would make
> for
>  a cool coin, though. >>
>
> I'm not sure about that. If the Fed is like the mint, you may find bags of
> shredded currency in there for sale.If my memory serves me right, my daughter has one from the Denver Mint
so would check this out.  Ours says United States Mint   Denver
Colorado.



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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Labor day weekend
Date: 19 Aug 1997 09:44:51 -0400


Hey West Coast Gang,

Looks pretty good that I'll be in San Mateo labor day weekend.  I'll be job
interviewing at
Electronic Arts, a video game company.  I guess it's time to return to my
"roots."

So, would anybody care to link up for a wee bit?  Perhaps somebody(ies) can
give me a clue
on apartment rentals?


- Jeff

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Jeff Dixon                [e-mail]
Software Engineer/Memory Czar
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence      http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Labor day weekend
Date: 19 Aug 1997 09:00:56 -0700 (PDT)


On Tue, 19 Aug 1997, Jeff Dixon wrote:

> Looks pretty good that I'll be in San Mateo labor day weekend.  I'll be job
> interviewing at
> Electronic Arts, a video game company.  I guess it's time to return to my
> "roots."

    EA's a good company I used to playtest for them back in the day.
>
> So, would anybody care to link up for a wee bit?

    I'd love to!  Let me know more details as it gets closer and
we'll hook up for a little while.

> Perhaps somebody(ies) can give me a clue on apartment rentals?
>

    Two words: expensive and hard to find!  Okay, that's more then
two words, but you get my point.  I live in San Jose (about 30 miles
south of San Mateo) and my rent's going up to $725 for a SMALL two
bedroom apartment.  And everyone still is amazed at how little I pay!

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Labor day weekend
Date: 19 Aug 1997 12:24:21 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-08-19 10:28:10 EDT, you write:

> So, would anybody care to link up for a wee bit?  Perhaps somebody(ies) can
>  give me a clue
>  on apartment rentals?
>

Happy to help you out.  I have one comming up end of the month?  Forgive the
sameless plug.  E-mail me off-line and I can give you some info.

-Bob Hoff
TEC#2033

HEY WAIT A MINUTE!!!!!!!!!!!!  Your last message said you were waiting for
the checks to clear, and this message says you are leaving the state!!!!!
 :-)



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) jeff-Hawaii
Date: 19 Aug 1997 09:24:35 -0700 (PDT)


On Mon, 18 Aug 1997, Jeff Dixon wrote:

> On eBay, ouch!  Uhhh, let's just say Jeff learned his lesson.  I kept bidding
> and next thing I knew, I wracked up ~70.00!  Yikes!  I'll completely honor
> all bids, but I hadn't planned on spending that much.

    Welcome to Auction Fever!


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Anybody home in Boston?
Date: 19 Aug 1997 09:32:49 -0700 (PDT)


On Mon, 18 Aug 1997, Mary C. and Ben L. wrote:

> out for you.  Another option might be Fanuel (<-- that word just doesn't look right.)
> Hall or Haymarket Square.

    I believe Frank Brazzell used to have a machine at Fanuel Hall.
I have a couple different of his issues that depict it.

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Knott's Berry Farm
Date: 19 Aug 1997 09:37:25 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings and Salutations!

    My wonderful mail man dropped off some more pennies for me
yesterday as well as a note from Gina containing a map of locations at
KBF (Thanks Gina!).  As I announced previously, I won't be able to
collect the Disneylandsets for people, but I can handle KBF sets!  There
are 15 pennies and 1 quarter design.  I know Gina needs the quarter as it
was broken before, but if anyone else wants sets from KBF, let me know!

        Peace,

            Aahz
ps. Yes, Bert, I'll bring the map to the meet so yu can get all the LK info.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Information about TEC
Date: 19 Aug 1997 11:45:21 -0500

We have a machine for elongating coins.  We used to belong to what we
think was TEC (The Elongated Coin club).  We are in looking for dealers
in equipment, especially dies for our machine.  Any help would be
appreciated.

Thank you -- Clyde S. Bridges -- [e-mail]



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Information about TEC
Date: 19 Aug 1997 09:50:42 -0700 (PDT)

On Tue, 19 Aug 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> We have a machine for elongating coins.  We used to belong to what we
> think was TEC (The Elongated Coin club).  We are in looking for dealers
> in equipment, especially dies for our machine.  Any help would be
> appreciated.
>
> Thank you -- Clyde S. Bridges -- [e-mail]
>
>
Clyde,

    I'd recommaned you check with Rocky Rockholt first.
[e-mail]   He offers machines and is a roller as well, so
could probably give you some leads on what you're looking for.

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~






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From: James Henry <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Knott's Berry Farm
Date: 19 Aug 1997 14:14:52 -0500

Chris Aahz wrote:
>
> Greetings and Salutations!
>
>         My wonderful mail man dropped off some more pennies for me
> yesterday as well as a note from Gina containing a map of locations at
> KBF (Thanks Gina!).  As I announced previously, I won't be able to
> collect the Disneylandsets for people, but I can handle KBF sets!  There
> are 15 pennies and 1 quarter design.


Chris,
I would love the 15 pennies.  Will send 4 I have here for you plus the
pennies and quarters for you.  Also would like ones from other places
you will be going so let me know how much to send.  Need your address
again.

Janelle


> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



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From: James Henry <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) new penny or pennies in Minnesota
Date: 19 Aug 1997 14:38:13 -0500

Well, went out today to catch up on pennies I owe and made a new
discovery of sorts.  Went to the Science Museum of Minnesota and got the
one penny I thought they had.  Brought it home and discovered it was
Iggy their mascot and not the old dinosaur one!!!  Then my daughter said
when we got home there was a sign on the machine about finding the other
machines there.  Well needless to say, we will be going back either
Wednesday or Thursday of this week to check this out.  Any interest from
anyone?



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From: Pete Morelewicz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) a little sad news
Date: 19 Aug 1997 15:54:00 PDT

The following is an editorial piece that appeared in the SPM's hometown
newspaper (not to mention the TEC President's local rag as well), The
Washington Post. It appeared on the day we all celebrate our freedoms,
including the freedom to squish. If Joe McCarthy were around today, I'm sure
he'd have a field day with this; but for now, we must suffer the indignity
of the Post's ignorance.


A Penny for the Fourth

                         Friday, July 4, 1997; Page A20
                         The Washington Post

                         AMERICANS taking their leisure at amusement
                         parks are encountering a puzzling plaything.
                         For 50 cents plus a penny, "The Penny Machine"
                         allows you to smash a specimen of official U.S.
                         currency almost beyond recognition. The idea is
                         to flatten the copper coin into a wide oval
                         shape that then is imprinted as a souvenir. The
                         machines come labeled with a disclaimer that it
                         is all legal under Title 18, Section 331 of the
                         U.S. Code, which permits the mutilation of U.S.
                         coins as long as it is done without fraudulent
                         intent.

                         Now, we don't want to make too much of this
                         defacement -- kids have been putting pennies on
                         railroad tracks to be flattened by passing
                         trains practically since the invention of the
                         steam engine -- but it is the Fourth, and a
                         little respect for the basics is warranted, of
                         which there is nothing more basic than the
                         penny.

                         It is, after all, our most common coin (that's
                         why we made so many of them), and long a symbol
                         of frugality, continuity and respect for the
                         nation's 16th president: Lincoln on the front,
                         his memorial on the reverse side. And it does
                         have a history. American colonists resented
                         British laws restricting their ability to
                         create coinage that was physically durable and
                         not merely a profit-making tool for the
                         absentee English. One of the risks of using the
                         hodgepodge of Spanish and English coins
                         available then was precisely the practice of
                         defacement, or "clipping." The greedy or
                         uncivic-minded scraped off and melted down bits
                         of silver.

                         The penny, by contrast, has a certain hardy,
                         unclippable integrity. True, people have for
                         some time considered it a pain to haul around
                         in their pockets, and something close to dead
                         weight in the age of rising consumer price
                         indexes. But that hardly justifies squandering
                         50 cents to turn one earnest and durable coin
                         covered with patriotic symbols and sentiments
                         into something resembling a potato chip. Better
                         it be tossed into a wishing well or the
                         Reflecting Pool, or piled up with hundreds of
                         its like in jars. At least that way pennies are
                         being used in ways that bespeak charity, bright
                         hopes for the future and a decent respect for
                         the opinions of mankind.

                         And taken all together -- "E Pluribus Unum," as
                         it says on the penny -- they do add up to
                         something impressive. Despite proposals by some
                         people in Congress to phase out the penny and
                         round all prices to the nearest nickel, the
                         coin still is usefully produced at a rate of
                         some 13 billion per year, and an estimated 170
                         billion of them are in circulation. That'll buy
                         a lot of Roman candles in the few places in
                         this country where they're still legal. So for
                         the Fourth at least, don't mash that penny;
                         give a little thought instead to what went into
                         it and on it.

                           ? Copyright 1997 The Washington Post Company


It is also archived on their website "www,washingtonpost.com".


Pete,
ex-Post (and that's a fact-o) reader



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From: James Henry <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Winchester penny
Date: 19 Aug 1997 15:08:44 -0500

I am missing the Firearm Museum machine (outside in the garden).  Could
someone please pick this up for me?  Could maybe work on a trade!!
Maybe new one(s) from MN Science Museum.

Janelle



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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) new penny or pennies in Minnesota
Date: 19 Aug 1997 16:17:20 -0400

Oooh!  Cool!  Can you please????

- Jeff "owe you big time" Dixon

At 02:38 PM 8/19/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Well, went out today to catch up on pennies I owe and made a new
>discovery of sorts.  Went to the Science Museum of Minnesota and got the
>one penny I thought they had.  Brought it home and discovered it was
>Iggy their mascot and not the old dinosaur one!!!  Then my daughter said
>when we got home there was a sign on the machine about finding the other
>machines there.  Well needless to say, we will be going back either
>Wednesday or Thursday of this week to check this out.  Any interest from
>anyone?
>
>
 -----------------------------------------------------------------
Jeff Dixon                [e-mail]
Software Engineer/Memory Czar
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence      http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154



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From: Matthew Birchard <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) SF Ferry Building?
Date: 19 Aug 1997 15:03:14 -0700 (PDT)

    I have an "oldie" from the Ferry Building.  I bought it at a
local coin shop.  It is a nice design, though the type is quite small and
difficult to read.  I'll do some looking in my copy of "Yesterday's
Elongates" to see if I can find the catalog number.  Any sorry, it is not
for trade.  :-)

Matt Birchard
TEC# 1848
Portland, Oregon
USA

e-mail:  [e-mail]



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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) SF Ferry Building?
Date: 19 Aug 1997 18:00:25 -0400

Chris Aahz wrote:
>
>         Has anyone checked the San Francisco Ferry Building for a
> machine?  This is a gorgeous piece of architecture that tons of tourists
> pass through each year.  There is an issue from one of the SF expos with
> the ferry building on it, but I haven't seen any modern issues and have
> never thought to check there.
>
>         Actually what made me think of this was I was rolling by there
> today on my way to Petaluma.  I didn't get a very good view inside as I
> was driving the bobtail with my lumper in the passenger seat (the Ferry
> Building was on my right) and he had no clue what I was talking about,
> but couldn't seem to get out of my way.  Besides my attention was split
> between trying to see in the building and watching two of the most
> beautiful women I've ever seen stroll down the Embarcadero hand in hand
> (oh yeah, and I occaisonally had to check the road to 8-)

Hopefully not while doing 100 mph >-)

Ben

>                 Peace,
>
>                         Aahz
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>           Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
> The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) a little sad news
Date: 19 Aug 1997 18:45:50 -0400

Pete Morelewicz wrote:
>
> The following is an editorial piece that appeared in the SPM's hometown
> newspaper (not to mention the TEC President's local rag as well), The
> Washington Post. It appeared on the day we all celebrate our freedoms,
> including the freedom to squish. If Joe McCarthy were around today, I'm sure
> he'd have a field day with this; but for now, we must suffer the indignity
> of the Post's ignorance.
>
> A Penny for the Fourth
>
>                          Friday, July 4, 1997; Page A20
>                          The Washington Post
> Pete,
> ex-Post (and that's a fact-o) reader

Hi all.

One thing I have learned, with due apologies to all that I might offend, is that by and
large, reporters are narrow minded, egotistical boobs who think that theri lot in life
is to think for those of us who are just too stupid to engage in original thought of
our own.  The only truly sad thing is that the moron that wrote this piece is ignorant
of two key issues.  Namely, what that 'squished' penny is transformed into -- a memory;
a souvenir; a reminder of a happy time; maybe even an heirloom.  And it's still legal
tender.  And that the United States is one of the few countries wear we have the freedom
to decide whether or not to squish our pennies.  I bet the idiot doesn't even know that
"E Pluribus Unum" means "One out of Many."

Ben Lavine



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Knott's Berry Farm
Date: 19 Aug 1997 16:59:18 -0700 (PDT)


On Tue, 19 Aug 1997, James Henry wrote:

> > collect the Disneylandsets for people, but I can handle KBF sets!  There
> > are 15 pennies and 1 quarter design.

> I would love the 15 pennies.  Will send 4 I have here for you plus the
> pennies and quarters for you.  Also would like ones from other places
> you will be going so let me know how much to send.  Need your address
> again.
>

<adding Janelle to KBF and "general" list>

    Okay, here's the scoop.  I don't know how many machines I'm going
to find on the way down or around LA.  I DO intend to pick up several
extras of everything I canfind, but I'm not sure what my cash reserve is
gonna look like so can't promise how many I'll be able to do. So...Anyone
who lets me know that they want specific issues (KBF, Queen Mary {still a
maybe}, Pismo Beach, Santa Barbara, etc), gets top priority for the coins
they requested.  Second priority is any "wahtever you get" requests, and
anything left will show up on my next trade list.  I'm not promising
Disney issues as there are several other people that I know will be there
so there are other avenues for these.

    Sorry if this sounds rigid, or in the least unfriendly.  I'm just
trying to make sure that I deliver as promised to those who've made
requests and since this trip will be my largest single expense of the
year I just don't know how much I'm going to be able to accomplish.

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) new penny or pennies in Minnesota
Date: 19 Aug 1997 17:01:09 -0700 (PDT)

On Tue, 19 Aug 1997, James Henry wrote:

> Well, went out today to catch up on pennies I owe and made a new
> discovery of sorts.  Went to the Science Museum of Minnesota and got the
> one penny I thought they had.  Brought it home and discovered it was
> Iggy their mascot and not the old dinosaur one!!!  Then my daughter said
> when we got home there was a sign on the machine about finding the other
> machines there.  Well needless to say, we will be going back either
> Wednesday or Thursday of this week to check this out.  Any interest from
> anyone?

    I see two important lessons here: 1) Listen to the kids!!!!, and
2) always check for a "other machines" sign.  Of course, this could just
be Janelle's subconscious way of permitting herself another trip to the
Museum 8-)

    Anywayz, you know I'm interested Janelle!

            Peace,

                Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~






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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) a little sad news
Date: 19 Aug 1997 17:06:50 -0700 (PDT)

On Tue, 19 Aug 1997, Pete Morelewicz wrote:

> The following is an editorial piece that appeared in the SPM's hometown
> newspaper (not to mention the TEC President's local rag as well), The
> Washington Post. It appeared on the day we all celebrate our freedoms,
> including the freedom to squish. If Joe McCarthy were around today, I'm sure
> he'd have a field day with this; but for now, we must suffer the indignity
> of the Post's ignorance.
>
<article snipped>
> Pete,
> ex-Post (and that's a fact-o) reader

Pete,

    I think a better move then dropping the Post (overall a pretty
good paper, IMHO), is to flood them with letters defending elongates!
Post (no pun intended) their address and we can flood their editorial
offices until they print a "retraction" of sorts!

        Peace,

            Aahz

BTW, I didn't notice if you included Willy on your list of cc's, but he
is no longer a list member, so if not, you should forward him a copy.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~






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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Winchester penny
Date: 19 Aug 1997 17:07:55 -0700 (PDT)


On Tue, 19 Aug 1997, James Henry wrote:

> I am missing the Firearm Museum machine (outside in the garden).  Could
> someone please pick this up for me?  Could maybe work on a trade!!
> Maybe new one(s) from MN Science Museum.
>
> Janelle
>
>

    I'll cruise by tomorrow and see what I can get out of the
machine, but it's been down for months and I believe Mickey said it was
seriously out of alignment.  Will see what I cna do for ya though.

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) SF Ferry Building?
Date: 19 Aug 1997 17:13:08 -0700 (PDT)


On Tue, 19 Aug 1997, Matthew Birchard wrote:

>     I have an "oldie" from the Ferry Building.  I bought it at a
> local coin shop.  It is a nice design, though the type is quite small and
> difficult to read.  I'll do some looking in my copy of "Yesterday's
> Elongates" to see if I can find the catalog number.  Any sorry, it is not
> for trade.  :-)
>
    Most likely it's CALsf-8.  I "misspoke" earlier when I said they
had one at one of the expos.

    How 'bout for sale?

        Peace,

            Aahz
<who's slowly working on completing his SF collection>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) SF Ferry Building?
Date: 19 Aug 1997 17:15:01 -0700 (PDT)


On Tue, 19 Aug 1997, Mary C. and Ben L. wrote:

> > but couldn't seem to get out of my way.  Besides my attention was split
> > between trying to see in the building and watching two of the most
> > beautiful women I've ever seen stroll down the Embarcadero hand in hand
> > (oh yeah, and I occaisonally had to check the road to 8-)
>
> Hopefully not while doing 100 mph >-)
>
> Ben

    Certainly not while any of your brothers in blue were looking 8-)

Officer: "Do you know how fast you were going?"
Aahz: "Do I have to answer that?"

;)


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) a little sad news
Date: 19 Aug 1997 17:17:41 -0700 (PDT)


On Tue, 19 Aug 1997, Mary C. and Ben L. wrote:

> Pete Morelewicz wrote:
> >
<snip>
> >
> > A Penny for the Fourth

> One thing I have learned, with due apologies to all that I might offend, is that by and
<snip>

    Come on, Ben, tell us how you really feel 8-)

    I agree with you for the most part, but it's the Post that really
needs to see these comments.

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: Other collections
Date: 19 Aug 1997 17:44:20 -0700 (PDT)

On Mon, 18 Aug 1997, Paul Richards wrote:

> My only "other" collection was, of all things, BUTTERFLIES!  Back in the

    This sparked a memory I thought I'd share With y'all.  So, if you
don't like rambling, pointless stories you may or may not find humorous,
consider yourself warned 8-)

    About four years ago I was working graveyard shift at the Kinko's
Copy Center in downtown San Jose.  Graveyard does most of the large,
bulk, or pain in the rear orders as we have far fewer walk-in customers.
Being in downtown San Jose we were a stone's throw away from the Federal
courthouse and, thus, did a lot of copying of court docs for attorneys
and such.  I am an incessant reader, so typically read most of the things
I was copying (also pleased quite a few customers by pointing out typos
they'd missed, but that's not relevant here {like ANY of this is?}).

    Anywayz, this court case came in one night and it was like forty
five boxes of miscellaneous documents on this Federal case against a
BUTTERFLY collector!  Apparently the guy was collecting endangered
species of butterflies in the Grand Canyon and also breeding them at home
(which is also illegal though I don't know why).  We copied literally
thousands of pictures of butterflies all labeled with neat little lines
pointing out details so the average shmoo could understand what was
what.  I was completely absorbed.  It appeared from the documents I read
(and I didn't get to read everything 8-( ) that the FBI had a ctually
spent more then three years setting this guy up for a bust!  We made
copies of all of his correspondence with both the undercover agents and
other collectors.

    The most surprising thing was the number of other butterfly
collectors this guy was rolling over on.  There were more then 30 people
in this case alone that were all excited because they were able to
collect these endangered specimens.  They had this whole international
network set up with tips on how to avoid the authorities and everything!
It was great reading.

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) SF Ferry Building?
Date: 19 Aug 1997 20:56:58 -0400

Chris Aahz wrote:
>
> On Tue, 19 Aug 1997, Mary C. and Ben L. wrote:
>
> > > but couldn't seem to get out of my way.  Besides my attention was split
> > > between trying to see in the building and watching two of the most
> > > beautiful women I've ever seen stroll down the Embarcadero hand in hand
> > > (oh yeah, and I occaisonally had to check the road to 8-)
> >
> > Hopefully not while doing 100 mph >-)
> >
> > Ben
>
>         Certainly not while any of your brothers in blue were looking 8-)
>
> Officer: "Do you know how fast you were going?"
> Aahz: "Do I have to answer that?"
>

Officer: "Can I see your license?"
Aahz:  "Can I wear your hat?"

> ;)
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>           Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
> The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
> List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
> Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
> "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) SF Ferry Building?
Date: 19 Aug 1997 18:09:34 -0700 (PDT)


> > Officer: "Do you know how fast you were going?"
> > Aahz: "Do I have to answer that?"
> >
>
> Officer: "Can I see your license?"
> Aahz:  "Can I wear your hat?"

    Never been QUITE that bold, though I did once ask an officer if I
could see HIS license as I noticed that he didn't signal when making the
turn to pull me over 8-)



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From: "zinful" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Boston: Children's Museum and Computer Museum
Date: 19 Aug 1997 17:33:26 -0000



> > We may have history here folks, this could be the very first elongate
with a
> > URL.
> >
>
>     Actually, someone (Gina?) posted earlier about a machine at one
> of the shops at Universal Studios that had an URL on its reverse.  I
> could have details sketchy, but if so, I'm sure someone will correct me.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris


Hello, yeah there are two coins with web addresses on the reverse (that i
know of).  One is a dime and one a penny.  They are both at a store called
"Things From Another World" at the Universal City Walk.  This is right on
the outside of Universal Studios.

One address www.tfaw.com  which is the stores web address (penny)
The other address www.dhorse.com is for dark horse comics (on the dime)

Gina




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From: James Henry <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) new penny or pennies in Minnesota
Date: 19 Aug 1997 21:31:44 -0500

Chris Aahz wrote:
>
> On Tue, 19 Aug 1997, James Henry wrote:
>
> > Well, went out today to catch up on pennies I owe and made a new
> > discovery of sorts.  Went to the Science Museum of Minnesota and got the
> > one penny I thought they had.  Brought it home and discovered it was
> > Iggy their mascot and not the old dinosaur one!!!  Then my daughter said
> > when we got home there was a sign on the machine about finding the other
> > machines there.  Well needless to say, we will be going back either
> > Wednesday or Thursday of this week to check this out.  Any interest from
> > anyone?
>
>         I see two important lessons here: 1) Listen to the kids!!!!,

SHE DIDN'T TELL ME UNTIL WE WERE HOME!!!!!!!



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From: James Henry <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) SF Ferry Building?
Date: 19 Aug 1997 21:37:35 -0500

Chris Aahz wrote:
>
> On Tue, 19 Aug 1997, Mary C. and Ben L. wrote:
>
> > > but couldn't seem to get out of my way.  Besides my attention was split
> > > between trying to see in the building and watching two of the most
> > > beautiful women I've ever seen stroll down the Embarcadero hand in hand


Remember Chris, not to look for more than 2 seconds at anything when
driving.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) SF Ferry Building?
Date: 19 Aug 1997 20:08:21 -0700 (PDT)


On Tue, 19 Aug 1997, James Henry wrote:

> Chris Aahz wrote:
> >
> > > > but couldn't seem to get out of my way.  Besides my attention was split
> > > > between trying to see in the building and watching two of the most
> > > > beautiful women I've ever seen stroll down the Embarcadero hand in hand
>
> Remember Chris, not to look for more than 2 seconds at anything when
> driving.

    Right, two seconds on the ferry building, two on the women, two
on the building, two on the women......

8-)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
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From: "Bill Becht, Diana Doherty" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) elongating machines
Date: 19 Aug 1997 22:05:26 -0000

To Whom it may concern:

I am interested in purchasing an elongating machine. Any help would be
appreciated
Please contact me at this email address. Thanks Bill Becht



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From: Matthew Birchard <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) SF Ferry Building?
Date: 19 Aug 1997 22:25:08 -0700 (PDT)



On Tue, 19 Aug 1997, James Henry wrote:

> Chris Aahz wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 19 Aug 1997, Mary C. and Ben L. wrote:
> >
> > > > but couldn't seem to get out of my way.  Besides my attention was split
> > > > between trying to see in the building and watching two of the most
> > > > beautiful women I've ever seen stroll down the Embarcadero hand in hand
>
>
> Remember Chris, not to look for more than 2 seconds at anything when
> driving.

So at least every two seconds, make sure you glance out the side window
and keep an eye out for coin machines and such.  No more than 2 seconds
of looking at the road ahead.  :-}

Matt Birchard
TEC# 1848
Portland, Oregon
USA

e-mail:  [e-mail]



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From: "tink!!!" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Boston: Children's Museum and Computer Museum
Date: 20 Aug 1997 01:23:30 -0700

> Hello, yeah there are two coins with web addresses on the reverse
> (that i know of).  One is a dime and one a penny.  They are both at
> a store called "Things From Another World" at the Universal City
> Walk.  This is right on the outside of Universal Studios.
>
> One address www.tfaw.com  which is the stores web address (penny)
> The other address www.dhorse.com is for dark horse comics (on the
> dime)

hey gina!

is this the store with all the glow-in-the-dark goodies???

inquiring minds want to know;>

pax!!!
nikki
--
"There's still a part of me that's
16 and I'm going to nuture it"-Keith Richards
http://www.concentric.net/~dvlgrl66/
dc.d f--- s+ h+ cbryteG^wP a $ (m) d++ fr+ L<1m bF e g i!



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From: John & Nancy Wooten <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Coins near Seattle
Date: 20 Aug 1997 09:00:49 -0700

Hi!

Hope this works, as this is my first try at posting to the list.

I have three elongates that I got several years ago at the Olympia
Brewery in Tumwater. Since I have not seen them listed on anyone's list
of locations, I was curious if anyone knows if the machine is still
there.

Thanks,

Nancy



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Re: disneyland elongated cents
Date: 20 Aug 1997 12:13:31 -0400 (EDT)

   What is the cost of a set of the disneyland elongated pennies


  THIS MESSAGE IS TO    CHRIS  AAHZ

FROM   E, SMITH



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: disneyland elongated cents
Date: 20 Aug 1997 09:24:10 -0700 (PDT)


On Wed, 20 Aug 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

>    What is the cost of a set of the disneyland elongated pennies


    The complete Disneyland set (pennies, nickels and quarters) is
approximately $50.00  I say approximately, because 1) they change
machines so often that we have no idea of knowing exactly what will be
there when we are, and 2) some machines may be down.

    If anyone sends me money for a DL set I will get everything they
have for ya, then we can work out the minor difference in cash or trade
later.

        Peace,

            Aahz



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Boston: Children's Museum and Computer Museum
Date: 20 Aug 1997 10:10:02 -0700

On 8/18/97 10:59 PM [e-mail] ([e-mail] ) wrote

>
>We may have history here folks, this could be the very first elongate with a
>URL.

Gina did report on a smashed Dime that is 2-sided. "Dark Horse Comics,
Universal City Walk, CA" and a horse (chess piece design) on the front
and "www.dhorse.com" on the back.

This is the first "URL" coin in my small collection and the first double
sided Dime. Very cool coin. Anyone going in the area of the Universal
Walk anytime soon, I could use an accurate location of this machine (and
the details on the machine). Thanks!

bc



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) To smash or not to smash?
Date: 20 Aug 1997 12:51:19 -0400 (EDT)


The author of the Post editorial opposing smashing pennies is the sort who
would and probably has made the same arguments about flag burning, although
probably much more vehemently.  Ironically, the motivation FOR NOT smashing
pennies is sentiment and the motivation FOR smashing pennies is sentiment.
 In either case, the author would do well to remember what Mary Poppins had
to say: "practically perfect people never permit sentiment to muddle their
thinking."



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Labor day weekend
Date: 20 Aug 1997 10:41:45 -0700

On 8/19/97 9:00 AM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>On Tue, 19 Aug 1997, Jeff Dixon wrote:
>
>> Looks pretty good that I'll be in San Mateo labor day weekend.  I'll be job
>> interviewing at
>> Electronic Arts, a video game company.  I guess it's time to return to my
>> "roots."

Jeff,

Let me know also - as it gets closer. I am in the South Bay from time to
time...

Maybe you, Aahz and I can stop by the Winchester House and FIX their
machines once and for all! I'll bring the duck tape!

Bert



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Natural Smashed Coins
Date: 20 Aug 1997 10:46:45 -0700

Hey Gang,

I call coins that have been smashed on train tracks 'natural' EC's =
since they are the original (or at least the origin of what we =
collect today). I was researching this on the net and found this =
story:


When you go Ride the Train, ask the Conductor to put a penny on
the track for you. He will do it with no problem, ( WE have only
asked this at Main Street Station) ask him to put it in the
"drawer" for you and that you will get it on your way out, or if
you want to and have the time, you can wait for the train to
come and go, and take it with you. We have taken our son to WDW
each year for his Birthday since he was 3, and each year we had
a penny "smashed" by the WALT DISNEY WORLD EXPRESS. We
took a picture of him on the train each time and have it in a photo
album with the penny for that trip, he is 15 now and we still do
that. It is great fun to add a new picture and penny each year.
But even if this is your only (AND LETS HOPE NOT) trip, it would
be a nice remembrance , make sure to have someone take a
family photo with you on the train, to put with penny. Also
 remember to get Conductors name as I am sure many people ask
this of them, but even if he is gone just tell new Conductor that a
penny was put in the "drawer" for you.!!! =BAo=BA



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) To smash or not to smash?
Date: 20 Aug 1997 15:18:30 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-08-20 14:05:39 EDT, you write:

> The author of the Post editorial opposing smashing pennies is the sort who
>  would and probably has made the same arguments about flag burning,
although
>  probably much more vehemently.  Ironically, the motivation FOR NOT
smashing
>  pennies is sentiment and the motivation FOR smashing pennies is sentiment.
>   In either case, the author would do well to remember what Mary Poppins
had
>  to say: "practically perfect people never permit sentiment to muddle their
>  thinking."
>

Right on.

If I may add, the author may have been far too upset with the "mutilation" of
US "pennies", after all, look what the Fed does with our tax money! :-)

-Bob Hoff





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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) a little sad news
Date: 20 Aug 1997 15:26:05 -0400 (EDT)

When the heck did the Post get patrriotic? Their editorials have for a long
time been admiring things that tear at the basic fabric of our constitution
and our country.
Who's up for mailing the post a few patriotic elongates?

PS. Don't be so quick to further malign McCarthy. After the Soviet Union
broke-up, we discovered that he was right!

In a message dated 8/19/97 1:49:35 PM Pacific Daylight Time, you write:

<< The following is an editorial piece that appeared in the SPM's hometown
 newspaper (not to mention the TEC President's local rag as well), The
 Washington Post. It appeared on the day we all celebrate our freedoms,
 including the freedom to squish. If Joe McCarthy were around today, I'm sure

 he'd have a field day with this; but for now, we must suffer the indignity
 of the Post's ignorance.


 A Penny for the Fourth

                          Friday, July 4, 1997; Page A20
                          The Washington Post
  >>




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Labor day weekend
Date: 20 Aug 1997 15:32:38 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 8/19/97 6:21:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time, you write:

<< -Bob Hoff
 TEC#2033

 HEY WAIT A MINUTE!!!!!!!!!!!!  Your last message said you were waiting for
 the checks to clear, and this message says you are leaving the state!!!!!
  :-)
  >>

Don't worry about it, He's heading over here where I and Aahz and others on
this list  can hunt him down like a rabid dog if necessary.

Mickey M
Checking my mail with great anticipation.




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Winchester penny
Date: 20 Aug 1997 15:38:56 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 8/19/97 7:00:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time, you write:

<<     I'll cruise by tomorrow and see what I can get out of the
 machine, but it's been down for months and I believe Mickey said it was
 seriously out of alignment.  Will see what I cna do for ya though.

         Peace, >>
I've got a firearm museum coin for her, it's 85% there, missing part of the
border and a letter, but I could really use 2 or 3 of the main lobby machine
coins.



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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Labor day weekend
Date: 20 Aug 1997 15:39:55 -0400

Oh boy.  Out of the frying pan...into the fire!

- Jeff
At 03:32 PM 8/20/97 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 8/19/97 6:21:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time, you write:
>
><< -Bob Hoff
> TEC#2033
>
> HEY WAIT A MINUTE!!!!!!!!!!!!  Your last message said you were waiting for
> the checks to clear, and this message says you are leaving the state!!!!!
>  :-)
>  >>
>
>Don't worry about it, He's heading over here where I and Aahz and others on
>this list  can hunt him down like a rabid dog if necessary.
>
>Mickey M
>Checking my mail with great anticipation.
>
>
>
 -----------------------------------------------------------------
Jeff Dixon                [e-mail]
Software Engineer/Memory Czar
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence      http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) To smash or not to smash?
Date: 20 Aug 1997 16:01:29 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 8/20/97 11:05:39 AM Pacific Daylight Time, you write:

<< The author of the Post editorial opposing smashing pennies is the sort who
 would and probably has made the same arguments about flag burning, although
 probably much more vehemently.  Ironically, the motivation FOR NOT smashing
 pennies is sentiment and the motivation FOR smashing pennies is sentiment.
  In either case, the author would do well to remember what Mary Poppins had
 to say: "practically perfect people never permit sentiment to muddle their
 thinking."
  >>

You gotta admire someone who can quote Mary Poppins.

While I loathe flag burning, I recognize that the flag is a symbol of our
country and therefore of our constitution. The constitution has to be
extrordinarily powerful to allow flag burning as part of free speech.
I equate this to penny squashing as a form of free speech, though the penny
has nowhere near the emotional power that the flag has.



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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) SF Ferry Building?
Date: 20 Aug 1997 18:36:52 -0400

Chris Aahz wrote:
>
> > > Officer: "Do you know how fast you were going?"
> > > Aahz: "Do I have to answer that?"
> > >
> >
> > Officer: "Can I see your license?"
> > Aahz:  "Can I wear your hat?"
>
>         Never been QUITE that bold, though I did once ask an officer if I
> could see HIS license as I noticed that he didn't signal when making the
> turn to pull me over 8-)

...I'm a little curious about the outcome of THAT traffic stop...



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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) SF Ferry Building?
Date: 20 Aug 1997 18:39:24 -0400

Chris Aahz wrote:
>
> On Tue, 19 Aug 1997, James Henry wrote:
>
> > Chris Aahz wrote:
> > >
> > > > > but couldn't seem to get out of my way.  Besides my attention was split
> > > > > between trying to see in the building and watching two of the most
> > > > > beautiful women I've ever seen stroll down the Embarcadero hand in hand
> >
> > Remember Chris, not to look for more than 2 seconds at anything when
> > driving.
>
>         Right, two seconds on the ferry building, two on the women, two
> on the building, two on the women......
> CCCRRRAAASSSHHH!!!

>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>           Courier, Vampire Hunter, Non-Violent Activist
> The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) To smash or not to smash?
Date: 20 Aug 1997 18:45:40 -0400

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> In a message dated 97-08-20 14:05:39 EDT, you write:
>
> > The author of the Post editorial opposing smashing pennies is the sort who
> >  would and probably has made the same arguments about flag burning,
> although
> >  probably much more vehemently.  Ironically, the motivation FOR NOT
> smashing
> >  pennies is sentiment and the motivation FOR smashing pennies is sentiment.
> >   In either case, the author would do well to remember what Mary Poppins
> had
> >  to say: "practically perfect people never permit sentiment to muddle their
> >  thinking."
> >
>
> Right on.
>
> If I may add, the author may have been far too upset with the "mutilation" of
> US "pennies", after all, look what the Fed does with our tax money! :-)
>
> -Bob Hoff

Sorry.  I still think reporters are nitwits!  :)

Ben



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) valuable pennies
Date: 20 Aug 1997 18:58:16 -0500

Greetings All,
Does anyone have a suggestion for reference material on valuable cents.
Making elongates is fun, but I would hate to destroy something rare
and/or valuable because I was unimformed.  If this question was already
been well covered, please accept my apologies.  I am still new at this.
Trey



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From: [e-mail] (Francisco J Montilla)
Subject: Re: (elongates) Anybody home in Boston?
Date: 20 Aug 1997 19:21:46 -0400

Might want to try around the waterfront area where all the tourists go.
But I'm actually about 2 hours from there, just to give you a hint.
FJ Montilla
Gardner, Ma




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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Boston: Children's Museum and Computer Museum
Date: 20 Aug 1997 18:16:49 -0700 (PDT)


On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> sided Dime. Very cool coin. Anyone going in the area of the Universal
> Walk anytime soon, I could use an accurate location of this machine (and
> the details on the machine). Thanks!

    Hey, you wanna pay my way into Universal Studios when I'm down
there I'll get ya all the info you could ever want 8-)

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Labor day weekend
Date: 20 Aug 1997 18:23:39 -0700 (PDT)


On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> machines once and for all! I'll bring the duck tape!


    But then won't all your ducks fall apart?
(sorry, PET peeve)

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Natural Smashed Coins
Date: 20 Aug 1997 18:27:51 -0700 (PDT)

On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> I call coins that have been smashed on train tracks 'natural' EC's since
they are the original (or at least the origin of what we collect today).

    Hate to cast doubt, but I'm not sure this is really true.  Now,
I'm more than ready to admit that I know little about history when it
comes to actual dates and such.  But I don't know how common train
smashed pennies were in the 19th century.  I tend to think of it as a
more modern thing.  Does anyone have a reference to train smashed coins
prior to 1893?

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Labor day weekend
Date: 20 Aug 1997 18:37:20 -0700 (PDT)


On Wed, 20 Aug 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> >  HEY WAIT A MINUTE!!!!!!!!!!!!  Your last message said you were
> > waiting for
> >  the checks to clear, and this message says you are leaving the
> > state!!!!! >

> Don't worry about it, He's heading over here where I and Aahz and others on
> this list  can hunt him down like a rabid dog if necessary.
>
> Mickey M

    Yep, once he's on the West Coast he's trapped.  If he runs North
he ends up in Matt's turf, and if he runs South he's got to deal with
Bert's uncanny location sense and Nikki's fangs!

Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) SF Ferry Building?
Date: 20 Aug 1997 18:42:08 -0700 (PDT)


On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, Mary C. and Ben L. wrote:

> >         Never been QUITE that bold, though I did once ask an officer if I
> > could see HIS license as I noticed that he didn't signal when making the
> > turn to pull me over 8-)
>
> ...I'm a little curious about the outcome of THAT traffic stop...
>

    He arrested me.  I asked why, he said "for being an ******* punk
kid", then he put in the  report that I swung at him.  Little did he know
that we were being watched by the people across the street who were both
very honest and very helpful.  As I recall, he got a short 'vacation' out
of the deal and I got the charges dropped, including the ticket 8-)

        Peace,

            Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) valuable pennies
Date: 20 Aug 1997 18:46:02 -0700 (PDT)


On Wed, 20 Aug 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> Does anyone have a suggestion for reference material on valuable cents.
> Making elongates is fun, but I would hate to destroy something rare
> and/or valuable because I was unimformed.  If this question was already

    As soon as I started buying bulk wheaties for elongating I went
out and bought a "red book".  This is "A Guide Book of United States
Coins" by R.S. Yeoman.  It comes out every year and you can usually find
last years copy for a couple bucks at coin shops/shows or bargain bins at
bookstores.  You could even check a used bookstore.  The current edition
really isn't necessary simply for finding out if it is/isn't valuable.
The price may have changed, but the fact that it's worth far more then
the rest of the coins in the series probably hasn't.

        Peace,

            Aahz

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From: "tink!!!" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Labor day weekend
Date: 20 Aug 1997 18:54:01 -0700

> > >  HEY WAIT A MINUTE!!!!!!!!!!!!  Your last message said you were
> > >  waiting for the checks to clear, and this message says you are
> > > leaving the state!!!!! >
>
> > Don't worry about it, He's heading over here where I and Aahz and
> > others on this list  can hunt him down like a rabid dog if
> > necessary.
> > Mickey M
>
>         Yep, once he's on the West Coast he's trapped.  If he runs
> North he ends up in Matt's turf, and if he runs South he's got to
> deal with Bert's uncanny location sense and Nikki's fangs!

*snapping jaws*  yep they're ready;>  if bert finds him, i'll catch
him!!!

-nikki
--
"There's still a part of me that's
16 and I'm going to nuture it"-Keith Richards
http://www.concentric.net/~dvlgrl66/
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From: "tink!!!" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Boston: Children's Museum and Computer Museum
Date: 20 Aug 1997 18:55:34 -0700

> > sided Dime. Very cool coin. Anyone going in the area of the
> > Universal Walk anytime soon, I could use an accurate location of
> > this machine (and the details on the machine). Thanks!
>
>         Hey, you wanna pay my way into Universal Studios when I'm
> down there I'll get ya all the info you could ever want 8-)

it's outside the studios, and if it's the store i =think= it is, then
it's easily found;>

-nikki
--
"There's still a part of me that's
16 and I'm going to nuture it"-Keith Richards
http://www.concentric.net/~dvlgrl66/
dc.d f--- s+ h+ cbryteG^wP a $ (m) d++ fr+ L<1m bF e g i!



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Boston: Children's Museum and Computer Museum
Date: 20 Aug 1997 18:54:38 -0700 (PDT)

On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, tink!!! wrote:

> >         Hey, you wanna pay my way into Universal Studios when I'm
> > down there I'll get ya all the info you could ever want 8-)
>
> it's outside the studios, and if it's the store i =think= it is, then
> it's easily found;>

    Gee, Nikki, thanx for sharing.  Now if I wanna get in, I'll have
to pay my OWN way!  8-)

            Peace,

                Aahz

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From: "..." <...>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Universal Studios
Date: 20 Aug 1997 20:59:57 -0500

I went to Universal Studios in LA and if I remember correctly, there is no
admission price to visit The City Walk Area. The only charge I remember is
for parking. You don't have to pay until you get up to the main gate area.
But if you are traveling that far....might as well go in and get the other
coins available.
-Kathy

> On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:
>
> > sided Dime. Very cool coin. Anyone going in the area of the Universal
> > Walk anytime soon, I could use an accurate location of this machine
(and
> > the details on the machine). Thanks!
>
>     Hey, you wanna pay my way into Universal Studios when I'm down
> there I'll get ya all the info you could ever want 8-)
>
>         Peace,
>
>             Aahz
>



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Universal Studios
Date: 20 Aug 1997 19:06:27 -0700 (PDT)


On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, ... wrote:

> I went to Universal Studios in LA and if I remember correctly, there is no
> admission price to visit The City Walk Area. The only charge I remember is
> for parking. You don't have to pay until you get up to the main gate area.
> But if you are traveling that far....might as well go in and get the other
> coins available.
> -Kathy
>
    I'm going to try to make it to the City Walk, but won't be able
to afford parking OR the tour.  This is a VERY big maybe at the moment.

    BTW, any word on a flight or are they REALLY last minute?

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: [e-mail] (Francisco J Montilla)
Subject: (elongates) Re: pennies
Date: 20 Aug 1997 22:29:48 -0400

Actually looking for cents from 1900-1949 not necesarily mint conditions.
Just want to fininsh collection.
Thanks
FJMontilla
Gardner, Ma 01440



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From: "..." <...>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Universal Studios
Date: 20 Aug 1997 21:33:56 -0500

> On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, ... wrote:
>
> > I went to Universal Studios in LA and if I remember correctly, there is
no
> > admission price to visit The City Walk Area. The only charge I remember
is
> > for parking. You don't have to pay until you get up to the main gate
area.
> > But if you are traveling that far....might as well go in and get the
other
> > coins available.
> > -Kathy
> >
>     I'm going to try to make it to the City Walk, but won't be able
> to afford parking OR the tour.  This is a VERY big maybe at the moment.
>
>     BTW, any word on a flight or are they REALLY last minute?
>
>         Peace,
>
>             Aahz
>

The Net Saavers Fares are emailed every Wednesday for travel leaving on
THAT Friday or Saturday and returning on Monday or Tuesday. I'd say that is
pretty much "Last Minute"!
You can subscribe at:
http://www.americanair.com/aa_home/aans.html
Round trip fares can range from $69 and up.
-Kathy



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Reporters
Date: 20 Aug 1997 20:34:21 -0700

On 8/20/97 3:45 PM Mary C. and Ben L. ([e-mail] ) wrote

>Sorry.  I still think reporters are nitwits!  :)
>
>Ben

Sure, NOW you tell me! When I have a reporter coming tomorrow to write a
story on the Smashed Coin Locator... 8-)

Yup, tomorrow is the big day. For the new list-ners, the San Diego Union
Tribune is sending a writer out tomorrow to do a story on EC's and the
Smashed Coin Locator. I'll let you all know how it goes tomorrow night...

bc



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From: "tink!!!" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Reporters
Date: 20 Aug 1997 20:40:32 -0700

> Yup, tomorrow is the big day. For the new list-ners, the San Diego
> Union Tribune is sending a writer out tomorrow to do a story on EC's
> and the Smashed Coin Locator. I'll let you all know how it goes
> tomorrow night...

woohoo!!!  go bert;>!!!!!

-nikki
--
"There's still a part of me that's
16 and I'm going to nuture it"-Keith Richards
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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Reporters
Date: 20 Aug 1997 20:37:36 -0700 (PDT)


On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> Yup, tomorrow is the big day. For the new list-ners, the San Diego Union

    Good luck!  Have fun with her/him and everything will go a lot
smoother.

        Peace,

            Aahz

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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Labor day weekend
Date: 20 Aug 1997 20:43:40 -0700

On 8/20/97 6:23 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>> machines once and for all! I'll bring the duck tape!
>
>
>    But then won't all your ducks fall apart?
>(sorry, PET peeve)

You Loon... (joking here). I don't care if my ducts fall apart. They are
in row, and everyone knows ducks don't fall far from the row.

NOW, if my ducts fell apart, and there was no air conditioning, THEN I
would have a problem.

About the broken machines at Winchester... Do we want to fix them on
premises?





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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Labor day weekend
Date: 20 Aug 1997 20:45:36 -0700

On 8/20/97 6:54 PM tink!!! ([e-mail] ) wrote

>*snapping jaws*  yep they're ready;>  if bert finds him, i'll catch
>him!!!
>


Then what?   8-O



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From: "tink!!!" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Labor day weekend
Date: 20 Aug 1997 20:52:14 -0700

> >*snapping jaws*  yep they're ready;>  if bert finds him, i'll catch
> >him!!!
> >
>
>
> Then what?   8-O

i thought YOU had the plans bert!!!

-nikki
--
"There's still a part of me that's
16 and I'm going to nuture it"-Keith Richards
http://www.concentric.net/~dvlgrl66/
dc.d f--- s+ h+ cbryteG^wP a $ (m) d++ fr+ L<1m bF e g i!



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Boston: Children's Museum and Computer Museum
Date: 20 Aug 1997 20:49:16 -0700

On 8/20/97 6:16 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>
>    Hey, you wanna pay my way into Universal Studios when I'm down
>there I'll get ya all the info you could ever want 8-)

Been there, done that, and got the html to prove it!

I wanted an exact address on the Dark Horse shop outside the "pay" area.
I should have enough info from Gina to give a description on the Smashed
Coin Locator's "Universal" page.

8-)



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Labor day weekend
Date: 20 Aug 1997 20:50:01 -0700 (PDT)

On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> About the broken machines at Winchester... Do we want to fix them on
> premises?

    Well, I'd rather take 'em home....8-)

    Seriously, though, I wouldn't know the first thing about what's
going on inside those machines.  Besides, how do we convince Sara
Winchester to let us open 'em up?

        Peace,

            Aahz

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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Boston: Children's Museum and Computer Museum
Date: 20 Aug 1997 20:52:17 -0700

On 8/20/97 6:54 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Gee, Nikki, thanx for sharing.  Now if I wanna get in, I'll have
>to pay my OWN way!  8-)

No Aahz, you can get in free like you always do. Just wear your Eurolink
overalls like you have in the past. Don't mess with things as long as
they work! (Now about your last fix it visit to Winchester House...)  ;-]



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Universal Studios
Date: 20 Aug 1997 20:53:56 -0700


>>
>>     Hey, you wanna pay my way into Universal Studios when I'm down
>> there I'll get ya all the info you could ever want 8-)

Are we beating a dark horse yet?

Kathy is right, you can get to the shop, the restaurants, the theater and
shops for the price of parking...



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Boston: Children's Museum and Computer Museum
Date: 20 Aug 1997 20:53:28 -0700 (PDT)


On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> On 8/20/97 6:16 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote
> >
> >    Hey, you wanna pay my way into Universal Studios when I'm down
> >there I'll get ya all the info you could ever want 8-)
>
> I wanted an exact address on the Dark Horse shop outside the "pay" area.

    Drats, foiled again.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
      Courier, Butterfly Hunter, Non-Violent Activist, Slave
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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Labor day weekend
Date: 20 Aug 1997 20:57:01 -0700

On 8/20/97 12:32 PM [e-mail] ([e-mail] ) wrote

>Don't worry about it, He's heading over here where I and Aahz and others on
>this list  can hunt him down like a rabid dog if necessary.
>
>Mickey M
>Checking my mail with great anticipation.

Rabid dogs make good EC Location Keepers. Let's put him to work!

bc
Location Keeper



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Labor day weekend
Date: 20 Aug 1997 20:58:41 -0700

On 8/20/97 12:39 PM Jeff Dixon ([e-mail] ) wrote

>Oh boy.  Out of the frying pan...into the fire!
>
>- Jeff

OUT OF THE COIN SLOT -- INTO THE DIE...

Feeling a little 'pressure to send the coins out?'

8-)



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Universal Studios
Date: 20 Aug 1997 21:00:21 -0700 (PDT)


On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

>
> >>
> >>     Hey, you wanna pay my way into Universal Studios when I'm down
> >> there I'll get ya all the info you could ever want 8-)
>
> Are we beating a dark horse yet?
>
> Kathy is right, you can get to the shop, the restaurants, the theater and
> shops for the price of parking...

    Yeah, I know.  But last time I was there parking was $10!!!  Of
course, I wasn't collecting elongates then...<sigh>


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
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From: "zinful" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Re:thoughts on sad news
Date: 19 Aug 1997 18:24:23 -0000

Just a few thoughts.
>
>                          Friday, July 4, 1997; Page A20
>                          The Washington Post
>
>          Post:        AMERICANS taking their leisure at amusement
>                          parks are encountering a puzzling plaything.

    Gina:        Puzzling? to who?

>           Post:       Now, we don't want to make too much of this
>                          defacement

    Gina:        So don't.

    Post:        kids have been putting pennies on
>                          railroad tracks to be flattened by passing
>                          trains practically since the invention of the
>                          steam engine

    Gina:         Exactly right (a historical past time)
>
>           Post:        It is, after all, our most common coin (that's
>                          why we made so many of them>

    Gina:        We'll if you made so many of them, whats the big deal.

>          Post:        True, people have for some time considered it
            a pain to haul around in their pockets, and something
            close to dead weight.

    Gina:        I'm quite sure you will not find one elongated
             collector who finds the penny to be a pain.

>          Post:        squandering 50 cents to turn one earnest and
durable coin
>                          covered with patriotic symbols and sentiments
>                          into something resembling a potato chip.

    Gina:         A potato chip? how can you compare lasting impressions
            that brings so much enjoyment to a potato chip.

    Post:        Better it be tossed into a wishing well or the
>                          Reflecting Pool, or piled up with hundreds of
>                          its like in jars. >

    Gina:        Tossed? or piled up with hundreds of others (dead weight
as you say) instead of giving it a personality,
                    some uniqueness.  Enjoying them as a collection and
            sharing the fun with others.

>           Post:       Despite proposals by some people in Congress
            to phase out the penny...

    Gina:        We are among the few who want the penny to
            stay around.  (I respect the penny.)

>          Post:        the coin still is usefully produced at a rate of
>                          some 13 billion per year, and an estimated 170
>                          billion of them are in circulation.

    Gina:        Sooooo many pennies to smash so little time.

    Post:        That'll buy a lot of Roman candles... in the few places in
>                          this country where they're still legal. So for
>                          the Fourth at least, don't mash that penny;
>                          give a little thought instead to what went into
>                          it and on it.

    Gina:        Excuse me, but who gives more thought about
            what is on it.  Us! So keep smashing.
>
>                            ? Copyright 1997 The Washington Post Company
>




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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Labor day weekend
Date: 20 Aug 1997 21:06:22 -0700

On 8/20/97 8:52 PM tink!!! ([e-mail] ) wrote

>> Then what?   8-O
>
>i thought YOU had the plans bert!!!

Yuppers, he is now a location keeper! Just wanted to be sure we didn't
have anything better lined up for him!

bc



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) SF Warning
Date: 20 Aug 1997 21:16:38 -0700

OK Gang,

Back on the main topic here (EC's that is)... I tried to smash a steelie
at the San Diego Zoo this past weekend. They have SF Penny machines. I
polished up a nice steelie and was all set to see the results, when...
when... HEY, it ate my steelie!

We had a discussion in the early days of this list (which is available in
the list's archives) about steelies. It is OK to use steel pennies from
the WWII period. Eurolink machines use very hard steel in their dies, and
steelies don't hurt them. BUT... some early Eurolink machines had magnets
added to catch steelies (and any other ferrous coins from around the
world). After a while, they took the magnets off MOST of their
machines... So you are pretty safe in putting a steelie in a Eurolink
machine.

NOW, SF Penny and other manufacturers have magnets on some of their
machines. I didn't check the one last week until nothing rolled into the
die for smashing. Sooo, live (read email) and learn! Check for a magnet
along the coin shoot leading to the die, and if you see a magnet, just go
with copper pennies. When in doubt, use copper!

bc



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From: "zinful" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Re:"Things From Another World" (store)
Date: 20 Aug 1997 20:25:18 -0000


> hey gina!
>
> is this the store with all the glow-in-the-dark goodies???
>
> inquiring minds want to know;>
>
> pax!!!
> nikki

Hey nikki,
Yeah, the store had all sorts of glow in the dark goodies, space stuff,
planetary things, etc.  Interesting store although i was more involved with
the machines and getting change and finding pre-82's.
There are a lot of very cool shops in that area.
Gina



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) SF Warning
Date: 20 Aug 1997 22:12:15 -0700 (PDT)


On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> Back on the main topic here (EC's that is)... I tried to smash a steelie

    E whats? 8-)

> at the San Diego Zoo this past weekend. They have SF Penny machines. I
> polished up a nice steelie and was all set to see the results, when...
> when... HEY, it ate my steelie!
>

    Wow, thanx for the warning.  I;ve never tried a steelie in an
SFPMC machine.  I don't carry the stelies with me and only hit those
machines while I'm working.

> die for smashing. Sooo, live (read email) and learn! Check for a magnet
> along the coin shoot leading to the die, and if you see a magnet, just go
> with copper pennies. When in doubt, use copper!

    Could you possibly give a cleare description of wht we're looking
for here?  I'm a little slow sometimes.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
       Slave, Butterfly Hunter, Non-Violent Activist, Courier
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
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From: Bob Fritsch <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) NENA Show this Weekend
Date: 21 Aug 1997 06:24:35 -0400

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

--------------539E5A3B759F
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Questions?  Mailto:[e-mail]

Hope to see you there!

--------------539E5A3B759F
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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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             THE NEW ENGLAND NUMISMATIC ASSOCIATION
                          presents its
                 53RD CONFERENCE AND CONVENTION
                               and
                         NEW ENGLAND '97
                 at the Royal Plaza Trade Center
                            Route 20
                   Marlborough, Massachusetts
               Friday, August 22, 1997, 10AM - 6PM
              Saturday, August 23, 1997, 9AM - 4PM

             Keynote Speaker:  Anthony Swiatek, ANA
 "Mr. Elongated", Ray Dillard, will be on hand to squash pennies
                    225 tables in the bourse
                      Competitive Exhibits
                        What-Is-It? Table
                           YN Program

      Special show rate of $79 at Best Western Royal Plaza
              508/460-0700 Monday - Friday daytime

Members are encouraged to enter an exhibit and to participate in
                      helping with the show


--------------539E5A3B759F--





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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) NENA Show this Weekend
Date: 21 Aug 1997 08:48:57 -0400

I'll be there!

- Jeff
At 06:24 AM 8/21/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Questions?  Mailto:[e-mail]
>
>Hope to see you there!
>             THE NEW ENGLAND NUMISMATIC ASSOCIATION
>                          presents its
>                 53RD CONFERENCE AND CONVENTION
>                               and
>                         NEW ENGLAND '97
>                 at the Royal Plaza Trade Center
>                            Route 20
>                   Marlborough, Massachusetts
>               Friday, August 22, 1997, 10AM - 6PM
>              Saturday, August 23, 1997, 9AM - 4PM
>
>             Keynote Speaker:  Anthony Swiatek, ANA
> "Mr. Elongated", Ray Dillard, will be on hand to squash pennies
>                    225 tables in the bourse
>                      Competitive Exhibits
>                        What-Is-It? Table
>                           YN Program
>
>      Special show rate of $79 at Best Western Royal Plaza
>              508/460-0700 Monday - Friday daytime
>
>Members are encouraged to enter an exhibit and to participate in
>                      helping with the show
>
>
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Software Engineer/Memory Czar
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411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154



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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Another steelie stolen
Date: 21 Aug 1997 08:50:46 -0400

I had mine lost at the Museum of Science.  I was soooo excited to try it out
that I forgot to look for the magnet.  The magnet slipped behind the top of
the penny chute and would have
worked.  I couldn't believe it.

Poo.

- Jeff
At 10:12 PM 8/20/97 -0700, you wrote:
>
>On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:
>
>> Back on the main topic here (EC's that is)... I tried to smash a steelie
>
>    E whats? 8-)
>
>> at the San Diego Zoo this past weekend. They have SF Penny machines. I
>> polished up a nice steelie and was all set to see the results, when...
>> when... HEY, it ate my steelie!
>>
>
>    Wow, thanx for the warning.  I;ve never tried a steelie in an
>SFPMC machine.  I don't carry the stelies with me and only hit those
>machines while I'm working.
>
>> die for smashing. Sooo, live (read email) and learn! Check for a magnet
>> along the coin shoot leading to the die, and if you see a magnet, just go
>> with copper pennies. When in doubt, use copper!
>
>    Could you possibly give a cleare description of wht we're looking
>for here?  I'm a little slow sometimes.
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>       Slave, Butterfly Hunter, Non-Violent Activist, Courier
>The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
>List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
>Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
>"Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
>
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411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Attn: Texans
Date: 21 Aug 1997 09:55:59 -0700 (PDT)


    If any of our members of the Texan persuassion are looking for
something to do this weekend, I was just sent this on another mailing
list and thought y'all might be interested:

> Dallas-Ft. Worth Metroplex Coin & Card Show
> Description.
> Date........ 08-23-1997 - 08-24-1997
> Address..... Howard Johnson's Convention Center, 120 W. Airport Fwy
> Irving, TX USA
> Tables...... 75 (50)
> Contact..... Paul Garner
> Phone....... [phone]

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
       Slave, Butterfly Hunter, Non-Violent Activist, Courier
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~






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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) SF Warning
Date: 21 Aug 1997 09:57:16 -0700

On 8/20/97 10:12 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>> die for smashing. Sooo, live (read email) and learn! Check for a magnet
>> along the coin shoot leading to the die, and if you see a magnet, just go
>> with copper pennies. When in doubt, use copper!
>
>    Could you possibly give a cleare description of wht we're looking
>for here?  I'm a little slow sometimes.

OK, here's a clear picture... Go to URL:

http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/SDZooPanda.html

There you will see the offender! The actual machine that snagged my
steelie. Look in the center of the picture and you will see the annodized
(gold colored) shoot that runs from the coin slot down to the die area.
The magnet is at the bottom of this shoot (or ramp). It is easy to see if
you look, which I now do!

Chris, you should be able to grab the image at:

http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/SD_Zoo_Presser.gif


Hope this helps!

Bert



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From: Alan Kita <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Universal Studios
Date: 21 Aug 1997 10:09:25 -0800

Chris & Co.
It's been a few months since we've been up to CityWalk and pre-summer,
too, but parking is $5-6, but you get a discount if you see a movie (for
$7, unless it's a matinee).  But if you are only going to be there less
than an hour, I think the cheapest parking is Valet Parking, which is
about $2 per hour.

Alan

Chris Aahz wrote:
>
> On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, ... wrote:
>
> > I went to Universal Studios in LA and if I remember correctly, there is no
> > admission price to visit The City Walk Area. The only charge I remember is
> > for parking. You don't have to pay until you get up to the main gate area.
> > But if you are traveling that far....might as well go in and get the other
> > coins available.
> > -Kathy
> >
>         I'm going to try to make it to the City Walk, but won't be able
> to afford parking OR the tour.  This is a VERY big maybe at the moment.
>
>         BTW, any word on a flight or are they REALLY last minute?
>
>                 Peace,
>
>                         Aahz



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From: James Henry <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Santa Monica Pier pennies
Date: 21 Aug 1997 14:09:22 -0500

I have one from here and understand there are 3.  The one I have is a
horizontal and looks like the pier.  Banner states Santa Monica Pier and
 says California underneath.  Does anyone have the other 2 (or more)
they would like to sell or trade?  Thanks.

Janelle



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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Santa Monica Pier pennies
Date: 21 Aug 1997 15:15:55 -0400

I have one with "Santa Monica Pier" on a banner above the pier's picture.
I don't remember if it has California underneath.

- Jeff

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Labor day weekend
Date: 21 Aug 1997 17:13:35 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-08-21 03:17:59 EDT, you write:

> About the broken machines at Winchester... Do we want to fix them on
>  premises?
>

I'd say it would be best to take them somewhere that they could be properly
tested, repeatly, to make sure the first few hundred cents run through all
right.  :-)

-Bob Hff



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Labor day weekend
Date: 21 Aug 1997 17:13:52 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-08-20 22:23:24 EDT, you write:

> On Wed, 20 Aug 1997 [e-mail] wrote:
>
>  > >  HEY WAIT A MINUTE!!!!!!!!!!!!  Your last message said you were
>  > > waiting for
>  > >  the checks to clear, and this message says you are leaving the
>  > > state!!!!! >
>
>  > Don't worry about it, He's heading over here where I and Aahz and others

> on
>  > this list  can hunt him down like a rabid dog if necessary.
>  >
>  > Mickey M
>
>      Yep, once he's on the West Coast he's trapped.  If he runs North
>  he ends up in Matt's turf, and if he runs South he's got to deal with
>  Bert's uncanny location sense and Nikki's fangs!
>
>  Aahz
>

At least now *I* can sleep at night!  But, poor Jeff..... :-)

-Bob Hoff
TEC#2033



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From: Pete Morelewicz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) a little sad news
Date: 21 Aug 1997 17:36:00 PDT


On Tue, 19 Aug 1997, Pete Morelewicz wrote:

> The following is an editorial piece that appeared in the SPM's hometown
> newspaper (not to mention the TEC President's local rag as well), The
> Washington Post. .......<article snipped>

        I think a better move then dropping the Post (overall a pretty
good paper, IMHO), is to flood them with letters defending elongates!
Post (no pun intended) their address and we can flood their editorial
offices until they print a "retraction" of sorts!

                Peace,

                        Aahz

BTW, I didn't notice if you included Willy on your list of cc's, but he
is no longer a list member, so if not, you should forward him a copy.

------

Funny you should mention that Willy. Last
night he came over and we talked with a writer for the Washington Post
Weekend Magazine about squished pennies, the museum, TEC, and the impact of
the Internet on hobbies. I produced a copy of the Post's editorial for the
writer and we mused about its intent and ignorance. Willy then mentioned that
he wrote a reply to them, but it went unpublished- no reason offered (not
that it would be expected, but it would still be nice).

I think that the e-mail campaign is worth a shot, though perhaps our ideal
window of opportunity has been lost (I didn't find the article till
recently). They are very e-oriented and I'm sure the op/ed's e-mail address
is somewhere on their site (www.washingtonpost.com). If someone else can find
the exact address I'd be appreciative - my Mac doesn't like my Microsoft web-
navigating product [it must be a diehard, too].

Keep on Squishin',
Pete



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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Labor day weekend
Date: 21 Aug 1997 17:28:22 -0400

*grin*
At 05:13 PM 8/21/97 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 97-08-20 22:23:24 EDT, you write:
>
>> On Wed, 20 Aug 1997 [e-mail] wrote:
>>
>>  > >  HEY WAIT A MINUTE!!!!!!!!!!!!  Your last message said you were
>>  > > waiting for
>>  > >  the checks to clear, and this message says you are leaving the
>>  > > state!!!!! >
>>
>>  > Don't worry about it, He's heading over here where I and Aahz and others
>
>> on
>>  > this list  can hunt him down like a rabid dog if necessary.
>>  >
>>  > Mickey M
>>
>>      Yep, once he's on the West Coast he's trapped.  If he runs North
>>  he ends up in Matt's turf, and if he runs South he's got to deal with
>>  Bert's uncanny location sense and Nikki's fangs!
>>
>>  Aahz
>>
>
>At least now *I* can sleep at night!  But, poor Jeff..... :-)
>
>-Bob Hoff
>TEC#2033
>
>
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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Labor day weekend
Date: 21 Aug 1997 17:24:35 -0400

Chris Aahz wrote:
>
> On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:
>
> > machines once and for all! I'll bring the duck tape!
>
>         But then won't all your ducks fall apart?
> (sorry, PET peeve)


They don't call it '100 mph tape' for nothing!

Ben
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



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From: tony dinto <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Ebay Bids
Date: 21 Aug 1997 17:37:29 +0000

Hi all,
  Some of you are buying coins from me at ebay. Thank you.
I try to send them out asap, for the club members, sometimes before I
receive a check. And I have always received the checks, no problem.
Would you, when you are the high bidder, please put a piece of paper
in the envelope with the check, that gives me the item number.
 I try to list 5 or 6 items a day, and it gets a little tough to keep
track.
 Any suggestions to make life easier for all would be welcome.
Thank you,
Tony Dinto



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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Reporters
Date: 21 Aug 1997 17:30:16 -0400

Bert Creighton wrote:
>
> On 8/20/97 3:45 PM Mary C. and Ben L. ([e-mail] ) wrote
>
> >Sorry.  I still think reporters are nitwits!  :)
> >
> >Ben
>
> Sure, NOW you tell me! When I have a reporter coming tomorrow to write a
> story on the Smashed Coin Locator... 8-)
>
> Yup, tomorrow is the big day. For the new list-ners, the San Diego Union
> Tribune is sending a writer out tomorrow to do a story on EC's and the
> Smashed Coin Locator. I'll let you all know how it goes tomorrow night...
>
> bc

Ok so they aren't all nitwits. MOST of them are.  I wonder if your
reporter knows the 'Post reporter.  Maybe s/he should forward a copy of
the finished article to the 'Post?

Ben



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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) SF Ferry Building?
Date: 21 Aug 1997 17:42:08 -0400

Chris Aahz wrote:
>
> On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, Mary C. and Ben L. wrote:
>
> > >         Never been QUITE that bold, though I did once ask an officer if I
> > > could see HIS license as I noticed that he didn't signal when making the
> > > turn to pull me over 8-)
> >
> > ...I'm a little curious about the outcome of THAT traffic stop...
> >
>
>         He arrested me.  I asked why, he said "for being an ******* punk
> kid", then he put in the  report that I swung at him.  Little did he know
> that we were being watched by the people across the street who were both
> very honest and very helpful.  As I recall, he got a short 'vacation' out
> of the deal and I got the charges dropped, including the ticket 8-)

Well, like I always say: What goes around, comes around. And it's usaully bigger when it
comes around.

Ben



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Universal Studios
Date: 21 Aug 1997 18:12:40 -0700 (PDT)

On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Alan Kita wrote:

> Chris & Co.
> It's been a few months since we've been up to CityWalk and pre-summer,
> too, but parking is $5-6, but you get a discount if you see a movie (for
> $7, unless it's a matinee).  But if you are only going to be there less
> than an hour, I think the cheapest parking is Valet Parking, which is
> about $2 per hour.

    Wait a sec, valet parking is cheaper then regular parking?!?  Not
that I can imagine The Beast allowing anyone else to tell it where to go,
but City Walk just became slightly more likely.

    Thanks for the scoop, Alan!
        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: "..." <...>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Attn: Texans
Date: 21 Aug 1997 20:45:24 -0500

Hey, cool! That's not too far from my home. Finally something near Dallas.
Any one else game?
~Kathy

----------
> From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
> To: Elongates Mail List <[e-mail]>
> Subject: (elongates) Attn: Texans
> Date: Thursday, August 21, 1997 11:55 AM
>
>
>     If any of our members of the Texan persuassion are looking for
> something to do this weekend, I was just sent this on another mailing
> list and thought y'all might be interested:
>
> > Dallas-Ft. Worth Metroplex Coin & Card Show
> > Description.
> > Date........ 08-23-1997 - 08-24-1997
> > Address..... Howard Johnson's Convention Center, 120 W. Airport Fwy
> > Irving, TX USA
> > Tables...... 75 (50)
> > Contact..... Paul Garner
> > Phone....... [phone]
>
>         Peace,
>
>             Aahz
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>        Slave, Butterfly Hunter, Non-Violent Activist, Courier
> The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
> List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
> Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
> "Fight War Not Wars" - Crass "Playing is Just a Way to Dream" - WHATT
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Location Keeper Update
Date: 21 Aug 1997 22:50:56 -0700

Hi Everyone,

I found 4 (yuppers  *four*) new machine locations tonight. All are in San
Diego's Old Town. I got a few traders (1 of each going to Flats and
Aahz). I have updated the San Diego Smashed Coin Locator page with the
new descriptions. The URL is:

http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/San_Diego.html

Thanks to Nikki for the tip on Old Town, it paid off! There may be more
locations in Old Town, it was after 6pm when I went and some shops were
closed...

Bert
Location Keeper



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Newspaper Update
Date: 21 Aug 1997 23:21:51 -0700

Greetings,

A staff writer, John Wilkens, of the San Diego Union-Tribune came by
today to interview me for the Currents section of the paper.

John asked a lot of great questions and really was interested in many
aspects of EC's. I took your suggestions and gave him some smashed coins,
pointers to home pages, address for Chris' Mailing List, etc.

Pete, I gave him a SPM postcard and info about the free Squissue. He had
time to look over many of my home pages, as well as Kathy's, Willy's and
many other web pages that I point to.

He may show up on the mailing list, so please give him a warm welcome...
His son has been collecting some EC's - and hopefully will collect more
now that John is writing the article.

I talked about Willy becoming the new TEC President. John may call Willy
for some further research. (Willy, I gave you some great PR, soooo, how
about those coins you promised  8-) )

The article will be written and then it goes to John's Editor. It may be
3 or 4 days before the article shows up... I will get extra copies for
those that want them, and hopefully John can get us an electronic copy to
share with the mailing list.

That's the newspaper update from this Location Keeper!

Bert
TEC#2095




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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Newspaper Update
Date: 21 Aug 1997 23:38:51 -0700 (PDT)

On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> A staff writer, John Wilkens, of the San Diego Union-Tribune came by
> today to interview me for the Currents section of the paper.

> He may show up on the mailing list, so please give him a warm welcome...

    You mean we have to be nice?  Blech!  ;)

> That's the newspaper update from this Location Keeper!

    Overall, sounds great, but did you invite him to the Disneyland
meet? (For any new members or anyone who forgot: 1st list meet-Disneyland
Sunday Sept. 7th-ASK FOR DETAILS!)


*********************Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>*********************
           Ex-Vampire Hunter (Caught the only one I need)
   Creator of Butterlies, Non-Violent Activist, Slave of Lady Nikki
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
*********************************************************************





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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Location Keeper Update
Date: 21 Aug 1997 23:41:14 -0700 (PDT)


On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> I found 4 (yuppers  *four*) new machine locations tonight. All are in San
> Diego's Old Town. I got a few traders (1 of each going to Flats and
> Aahz).

    Thanx for thinkin' of me 8-)

> Thanks to Nikki for the tip on Old Town, it paid off! There may be more

    Huzzah Nikki!

*********************Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>*********************
           Ex-Vampire Hunter (Caught the only one I need)
   Creator of Butterlies, Non-Violent Activist, Slave of Lady Nikki
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
*********************************************************************




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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Winchester penny
Date: 21 Aug 1997 23:44:07 -0700 (PDT)


On Wed, 20 Aug 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> In a message dated 8/19/97 7:00:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time, you write:
>
> <<     I'll cruise by tomorrow and see what I can get out of the
>  machine, but it's been down for months and I believe Mickey said it was
>  seriously out of alignment.  Will see what I cna do for ya though.
>
>          Peace, >>
> I've got a firearm museum coin for her, it's 85% there, missing part of the
> border and a letter, but I could really use 2 or 3 of the main lobby machine
> coins.

    Okay, I didn't make it by there anywayz. (Overslept, sorry) And
I've been REALLY busy in the evenings lately, so haven't made it then,
either.  I do have some spare House logo and Products museum coins still
in my trade stock.  Perhaps Jeff, Mickey and I can all get together
sometime over Labor Day weekend?  Whatchya think guys?

*********************Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>*********************
           Ex-Vampire Hunter (Caught the only one I need)
   Creator of Butterlies, Non-Violent Activist, Slave of Lady Nikki
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
*********************************************************************




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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Newspaper Update
Date: 21 Aug 1997 23:45:53 -0700

On 8/21/97 11:38 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

<snip>
>
>    Overall, sounds great, but did you invite him to the Disneyland
>meet? (For any new members or anyone who forgot: 1st list meet-Disneyland
>Sunday Sept. 7th-ASK FOR DETAILS!)

Yes! I did invite him to DL, last week when we talked on the phone, today
when we talked in person, and tonight via email!

bc



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) SF Warning
Date: 21 Aug 1997 23:46:29 -0700 (PDT)

On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> >    Could you possibly give a cleare description of wht we're looking
> >for here?  I'm a little slow sometimes.
>
> Chris, you should be able to grab the image at:

    Okay, I got it.  This is a VERY weird looking machine.  You're
sure it's SFPMC?  I've never seen a machine with so much viewing area.
Perhaps it's an older or newer model?  Anywayz, now I know where I'm
looking.

*********************Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>*********************
           Ex-Vampire Hunter (Caught the only one I need)
   Creator of Butterlies, Non-Violent Activist, Slave of Lady Nikki
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Ebay Bids
Date: 21 Aug 1997 23:51:19 -0700 (PDT)


On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, tony dinto wrote:

>  I try to list 5 or 6 items a day, and it gets a little tough to keep
> track.
>  Any suggestions to make life easier for all would be welcome.

    Well, I was recently discussing eBay with Ken Barr who lists
numerous lots on a regular basis and he explained his system  I'll do my
best to relate it:

    He lists coins twice a week, on specific days.  This way they are
all listed (and all end) in large groups instead of dribbling in on a
daily basis.

    He then keeps hard copies in three seperate categories (offered, sold,
paid/shipped) for each month.  So, he essentially has a series of piles
(one for each month).  Within each pile he has three sub-piles (held
together with large clips) one for each category above.  When everything
is done for the month he files it away 'permanently'.

    Hope this helps, if you want clarification, just ask and I'll try.

            Peace,

                Aahz

*********************Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>*********************
           Ex-Vampire Hunter (Caught the only one I need)
   Creator of Butterlies, Non-Violent Activist, Slave of Lady Nikki
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
*********************************************************************




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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Attn: Texans
Date: 21 Aug 1997 23:52:45 -0700 (PDT)

On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, ... wrote:

> Hey, cool! That's not too far from my home. Finally something near Dallas.
> Any one else game?

    I'm REALLY glad you responded to this, Kathy because it finally
clicked in my mind that the Fremont Coin show is also this Sunday.  If
anyone wants details, e-mail me, cause I don't have 'em handy 8-(

*********************Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>*********************
           Ex-Vampire Hunter (Caught the only one I need)
   Creator of Butterlies, Non-Violent Activist, Slave of Lady Nikki
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
*********************************************************************





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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Newspaper Update
Date: 21 Aug 1997 23:53:44 -0700 (PDT)


On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> <snip>
> >
> >    Overall, sounds great, but did you invite him to the Disneyland
> >meet? (For any new members or anyone who forgot: 1st list meet-Disneyland
> >Sunday Sept. 7th-ASK FOR DETAILS!)
>
> Yes! I did invite him to DL, last week when we talked on the phone, today
> when we talked in person, and tonight via email!

    And his response was......

*********************Chris Aahz~<[e-mail]>*********************
           Ex-Vampire Hunter (Caught the only one I need)
   Creator of Butterlies, Non-Violent Activist, Slave of Lady Nikki
The Elongated Collectors(TEC) #2062 CoinMasters #182  SECA Co-Founder
List-owner:  The Elongated Coin Mailing List ([e-mail])
Subscription Page- http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
*********************************************************************




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From: Bob Fritsch <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: pennies
Date: 22 Aug 1997 06:46:44 -0400

Francisco J Montilla wrote:
>
> Actually looking for cents from 1900-1949 not necesarily mint conditions.
> Just want to fininsh collection.
> Thanks
> FJMontilla

FJ,

Come on down to the NENA show today or tomorrow.  There will be lots of
what you're looking for, plus Ray Dillard will be squashing just about
any coin you hand him.

When you come, stop by and say Hi.

Regards,

Bob Fritsch
mailto:[e-mail]




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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Winchester penny + Labor Day weekend
Date: 22 Aug 1997 09:05:58 -0400

Chris said:

>    Okay, I didn't make it by there anywayz. (Overslept, sorry) And
>I've been REALLY busy in the evenings lately, so haven't made it then,
>either.  I do have some spare House logo and Products museum coins still
>in my trade stock.  Perhaps Jeff, Mickey and I can all get together
>sometime over Labor Day weekend?  Whatchya think guys?

Ok.  Here's the scoop, everybody:

My wife and I fly out Thursday night.  We make it to the San Fran airport
at 12:30am.
Then, I need to go check in to the hotel and sleep.  Friday I have
interviews setup at EA
for most of the day.

Saturday, Sunday, and Monday (our flight leaves at 1:30pm) are free!  We're
looking to find
out as much information on apartments, living conditions, and where's the
best places to
squish and/or eat!

Plus, we completely love Monterey and Santa Cruz.  So, we're thinking about
making a trip
down that way during some part of the weekend.

So, what are people's thoughts?  I could bring my collection (bound in a
notebook of
slides right now) for people to see.  Plus, I'll have some trading stock.

If we can figure out who will be around, I should bring your phone numbers
with me.
I'll have the hotel information on today or Monday.

Can't wait to visit SF again,

- Jeff

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Kurzweil Applied Intelligence      http://www.kurzweil.com
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Waltham, MA 02154



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From: Roger Ingersoll <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Attn: Texans
Date: 22 Aug 1997 08:15:18 -0500 (CDT)


I would love to go, but alas, I am moving this weekend...

Kathy, If you go, could you please get information on how to get on their
mailing list for me?  I would greatley appreciate it.  I am also not too
far away from it.

Roger Ingersoll



> From: ... <...>
>
> Hey, cool! That's not too far from my home. Finally something near Dallas.
> Any one else game?
> ~Kathy
>
> >
> >     If any of our members of the Texan persuassion are looking for
> > something to do this weekend, I was just sent this on another mailing
> > list and thought y'all might be interested:
> >
> > > Dallas-Ft. Worth Metroplex Coin & Card Show
> > > Description.
> > > Date........ 08-23-1997 - 08-24-1997
> > > Address..... Howard Johnson's Convention Center, 120 W. Airport Fwy


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From: Pete Morelewicz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Newspaper Update
Date: 22 Aug 1997 09:32:00 PDT


REPLY FROM: Pete Morelewicz

On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> <snip newspaper info>

Bert,
Thanks for doing the PR work for the profession. Next up: scheduling
"Mr. Elongated" Ray Dillard to appear on Rosie.

Pete,
SPM



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From: James Henry <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Winchester penny + Labor Day weekend
Date: 22 Aug 1997 09:17:00 -0500

Jeff Dixon wrote:
>
> Chris said:
>
> >       Okay, I didn't make it by there anywayz. (Overslept, sorry) And
> >I've been REALLY busy in the evenings lately, so haven't made it then,
> >either.  I do have some spare House logo and Products museum coins still
> >in my trade stock.  Perhaps Jeff, Mickey and I can all get together
> >sometime over Labor Day weekend?  Whatchya think guys?
>
> Ok.  Here's the scoop, everybody:
>
> My wife and I fly out Thursday night.  We make it to the San Fran airport
> at 12:30am.
> Then, I need to go check in to the hotel and sleep.  Friday I have
> interviews setup at EA
> for most of the day.
>
> Saturday, Sunday, and Monday (our flight leaves at 1:30pm) are free!  We're
> looking to find
> out as much information on apartments, living conditions, and where's the
> best places to
> squish and/or eat!
>
> Plus, we completely love Monterey and Santa Cruz.  So, we're thinking about
> making a trip
> down that way during some part of the weekend.
>
> So, what are people's thoughts?  I could bring my collection (bound in a
> notebook of
> slides right now) for people to see.  Plus, I'll have some trading stock.
> Don't trade it all away!!!!  I want some!!!

Janelle (Minnesota Flats)
>



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) SF Warning
Date: 22 Aug 1997 07:47:58 -0700

On 8/21/97 11:46 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:
>
>> >    Could you possibly give a cleare description of wht we're looking
>> >for here?  I'm a little slow sometimes.
>>
>> Chris, you should be able to grab the image at:
>
>    Okay, I got it.  This is a VERY weird looking machine.  You're
>sure it's SFPMC?  I've never seen a machine with so much viewing area.
>Perhaps it's an older or newer model?  Anywayz, now I know where I'm
>looking.

No, I am not completely sure it is a SFPMC... Still trying to find that
out.

bc



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Newspaper Update
Date: 22 Aug 1997 07:49:32 -0700

On 8/21/97 11:53 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>> Yes! I did invite him to DL, last week when we talked on the phone, today
>> when we talked in person, and tonight via email!
>
>    And his response was......

He will think about it.

bc



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Newspaper Update
Date: 22 Aug 1997 08:19:50 -0700

Hi Everyone,

I sent John Wilkens, the San Diego Union Staff Writer, the phone number
for the penny machine company here in San Diego. I hope he can get them
to return his phone calls.

I'll keep you updated.

bc



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Winchester penny + Labor Day weekend
Date: 22 Aug 1997 08:54:28 -0700 (PDT)


On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, Jeff Dixon wrote:

> >sometime over Labor Day weekend?  Whatchya think guys?
>
> Ok.  Here's the scoop, everybody:
>
> Saturday, Sunday, and Monday (our flight leaves at 1:30pm) are free!  We're

    I'm booked Monday, but free for the weekend.

> looking to find
> out as much information on apartments, living conditions, and where's the
> best places to squish and/or eat!

    Well, squishin' I can help with.  Eating I haven't a clue.  (I
don't get out much)

> Plus, we completely love Monterey and Santa Cruz.  So, we're thinking about
> making a trip down that way during some part of the weekend.

    If the weather we're having holds I can pretty much gurantee both
with be mobbed on Saturday, so Sunday's your best bet for this little
road trip.

> So, what are people's thoughts?  I could bring my collection (bound in a
> notebook of
> slides right now) for people to see.  Plus, I'll have some trading stock.

    Well, if you want to get together in either SC or Monterey I
recommend Sunday and we can do some squishin' to boot.  If you wanna get
together Saturday, we can meet in The City and maybe swing thru
Fisherman's Wharf/Pier 39.  I don't really know San Francisco that well
(as far as what's there, etc.) as I'm usually only there when working.
Maybe Mickey can recommend a place to get together.

> If we can figure out who will be around, I should bring your phone numbers
> with me. I'll have the hotel information on today or Monday.

    I'm pretty much impossible to get hold of by phone.  If I'm home,
I'm online.  So, the best way to contact me is to leave me voicemail at
1-800-562-4301x5190.  That's thru my work and pages me when I get a
message 24/7.  So if you (or anyone else on the list) wants to reach me,
that's the way to do it.

Aahz

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Ex-Vampire Hunter-             +  TEC # 2062
(Caught the only one I need)   +  SECA Co-Founder
Creator of Butterflies         +  CM # 182
Slave to Lady Nikki    ^^*^^   +  List-Owner:
Non-Violent Activist           +  Elongated Coin Mail List
List page: http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm




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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Newspaper Update
Date: 22 Aug 1997 08:57:14 -0700 (PDT)


On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> I sent John Wilkens, the San Diego Union Staff Writer, the phone number
> for the penny machine company here in San Diego. I hope he can get them
> to return his phone calls.

    Machine company in SD?  I'm assuming you mean Eurolink but I
thought they were North of LA.  Hmmmm.....

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Ex-Vampire Hunter-             +  TEC # 2062
(Caught the only one I need)   +  SECA Co-Founder
Creator of Butterflies         +  CM # 182
Slave to Lady Nikki    ^^*^^   +  List-Owner:
Non-Violent Activist           +  Elongated Coin Mail List
List page: http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm





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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Re: Disneyland  meeting
Date: 22 Aug 1997 12:15:46 -0400 (EDT)

   What is the location of the Disneyland meeting?  Sept. 7 ?

   New to elongated penney collecting.
Thank you  E.  Smith



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From: Alan Kita <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Universal Studios
Date: 22 Aug 1997 09:25:46 -0800

Chris

Remember Valet Parking is only cheaper if you stay less than an hour.
Any length of time after that it becomes more expensive than regular
parking.  I think they assume the average visit is longer than two
hours, if you don't count seeing a film.  I think this rate tries to
accomodate people who are only at CitiWalk to pickup people from the
films or a day at Universal Studios and allows businesses to have
customers who otherwise do not want to make it a day at CityWalk.

Alan

The signs for the rate are posted in the Valet Parking garage.  Too bad,
Disneyland doesn't have such a policy, yet, until their version of
CityWalk opens in a couple of years.



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Universal Studios
Date: 22 Aug 1997 09:34:18 -0700 (PDT)



On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, Alan Kita wrote:

> Remember Valet Parking is only cheaper if you stay less than an hour.
> Any length of time after that it becomes more expensive than regular

    I won't be able to afford the tour or to do any shopping, and I'm
not driing all the way to LA to see a movie, so it shouldn't take more
then an hour to cruise CityWalk and pick up all the elongates there.  As
I recall it's no larger then the average shopping mall.

    Gina, could you possibly repost (or e-mail me) your list of
CityWalk machines, please?


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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Re: Disneyland  meeting
Date: 22 Aug 1997 09:38:23 -0700

On 8/22/97 9:15 AM [e-mail] ([e-mail] ) wrote

>   What is the location of the Disneyland meeting?  Sept. 7 ?
>
>   New to elongated penney collecting.
>Thank you  E.  Smith

Greetings E. Smith!

Welcome to the list! We hope you can join us for a fun day at Disneyland.
We will be meeting each (first time in person), trading smashed coins,
smashing some new coins in the Park and at the 2 hotels, and generally
sharing our hobby. If you don't want to come into the Park you can meet
us all for breakfast or lunch outside the park. I will copy the
invitation below for you.

To all our other new members to this list, we hope you can join us for
our Disneyland meeting. If you can, please send me an email telling me if
you will be joining us for breakfast and/or lunch so we can get enough
tables (and wait for you before we get started).

We hope to see many of you there... Bring what ever trading coins you
might have, some coins to smash at Disneyland, and be ready for FUN!

Bert Creighton
[e-mail]
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-=-=-=-=-=-=- JOIN US AT DISNEYLAND -=-=-=-=-=-=-
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The 1st Ever Elongates Mailing List Meeting

Trading * Smashing * Story Telling * Rides * Food * Fun

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=


8:45am - 9:00am  - Belisle's Restaurant (Introductions and Breakfast).
12001 Harbor Blvd, Garden Grove, CA. A short drive from
Disneyland, it's on a corner, parking on the side.
Belisle's ((BELL EYE-EL's)) was established in 1955, same
year as Disneyland (July 17th). Back then the whole area was
orange groves... The food is great and the portions
are HUGE! Maybe they'll make us some special elongated
pancakes!  8-)

~10:00am - Enter Disneyland.
We will meet at the left most turn style (as you face
the park). First stop will be the Train Station (be sure
to bring a pre-82 for this older machine).

10:00am - 1:00pm -  Collect Disneyland coins.
Smashing (rolling, elongating...) at Penny Arcade, and
all the other locations. Bring any special coins such as
pre-82 pennies, silver quarters, Steelies, etc.

1:00pm - 1:15pm - Head to Disneyland Hotel (Lunch and Trading)
We will meet in the lobby of the Disneyland Hotel, then select a place
for lunch, and a trade session. If you don't want to come to Disneyland,
you can come to the lunch and trade session, just park at the Disneyland
Hotel (this is the original Hotel, not the Disneyland Pacific next door).
For those of us coming from the park, we can get our trading stock out of
the park lockers and take the monorail to the Hotel. We will leave word
with the Disneyland Hotel Front Desk where we will be for lunch and our
trading session.

~2:15 Return to park for more coins, rides, fun...

~6:00 Rendezvous at the end of Main Street, in the circle by the statues
of Walt and Mickey.
Some of us will go to dinner from here, others may want to head out...

We are not trying to overly structure the day, just offer everyone
several times/places to join up with the group.

I'd like to get a count for Belisle's so we can have tables ready. Please
let me know if you are coming to the park at 10am (so we can wait for
everyone) or at a latter time (Lunch/Trading, or dinner). We look forward
to seeing you there!





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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Gina's UniversalWalk Info
Date: 22 Aug 1997 09:48:30 -0700

Here's Gina's post on the UniversalWalk...

bc
---------------- Begin Forwarded Message ----------------
Received:    08/19  10:31 PM
Reply-To:    [e-mail]


Hello, yeah there are two coins with web addresses on the reverse (that i
know of).  One is a dime and one a penny.  They are both at a store called
"Things From Another World" at the Universal City Walk.  This is right on
the outside of Universal Studios.

One address www.tfaw.com  which is the stores web address (penny)
The other address www.dhorse.com is for dark horse comics (on the dime)

Gina



----------------- End Forwarded Message -----------------



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Gina's UniversalWalk Info
Date: 22 Aug 1997 09:56:18 -0700 (PDT)


On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> Here's Gina's post on the UniversalWalk...
>
    Thanx Bert, but that's not the one I meant.  Maybe she sent it in
private mail last time, but she had a list of five or six different coins
as I recall.


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Ex-Vampire Hunter-             +  TEC # 2062
(Caught the only one I need)   +  SECA Co-Founder
Creator of Butterflies         +  CM # 182
Slave to Lady Nikki    ^^*^^   +  List-Owner:
Non-Violent Activist           +  Elongated Coin Mail List
List page: http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Labor day weekend
Date: 22 Aug 1997 13:03:01 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-08-22 01:52:23 EDT, you write:

>     Seriously, though, I wouldn't know the first thing about what's
>  going on inside those machines.  Besides, how do we convince Sara
>  Winchester to let us open 'em up?
>

We'll tell her that if she doesn't let us.... all the ghosts of the...... :-)

-Bob Hoff

Hey!  It worked for the contractors!





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From: John Wilkens <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Feature story
Date: 22 Aug 1997 11:43:34 -0700

Date sent: 8/22/97 at 11:43
Recipient: [e-mail]





Greetings:



I am a feature writer with the San Diego Union-Tribune. I'm working on a story
about collectors of elongated coins. I heard about this e-mail group from Bert
Creighton.



I'm interested in talking to collectors about this hobby. How did you get into
it? What do you like best about it? Favorite elongated coins? Interesting
stories about your collecting?



Please e-mail me or phone me collect at 619.293.2236 if you would be willing
to be interviewed.



Thanks!!




John Wilkens
Feature Writer
The San Diego Union-Tribune

Voice:    619-293-2236
Fax:      [phone]




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Ebay Bids
Date: 22 Aug 1997 21:12:41 -0400 (EDT)

   Hi ---

  Please send me some information  about the eBay bidding on elongated
pennies.

  Thank you   E.  Smith



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From: "Verne R. Walrafen at home" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Let's start a NUGGUL for Don Hartlaub !!!
Date: 23 Aug 1997 18:30:17 -0500

A NUGGUL?  Well, maybe such a thing already exists under a different
name.....a "NUmismatic Good GUys List".  Call it what you want! I want
to nominate ___Don Hartlaub, Falcon Coin, Colorado Coin Dealer___.

I recently made a very trivial, well under $50, coin supply order with
Don for 50mm opening 2.5x2.5 cardboard "staple your own" coin holders.

When they came I tossed them in my supply closet and never gave it any
more thought. Yesterday I went to use my first one and it was a 44mm
opening holder...heck, one holder looks pretty much like another!

Of course, I informed Don via EMail of my frustration (politely I hope)
and today I got the following:
> [e-mail] wrote:
>   I managed to find 500 of the 50mm holders (I traded for them at a
>   local dealer), so I will be sending them out on Monday to you.  You
>   don't need to pay for them as I sent the wrong ones.  You can keep
>   the 44mm holders as I would guess you would need them eventually.

What can we do about this sort of person?

We are quick to fault coin dealers but need to commend those that do
the right thing!

Any suggestions?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Verne R. Walrafen, 12000 Sunset Ridge, Ozawkie, KS 66070   [phone]
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
             BS'63-CivilEngineering   MS'76-ComputerScience
 ANA-LM553  NI-LM7  MEPSI-LM1154  SNdeM-C246  USMexNA-4  CoinMaster-315
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 mailto:[e-mail]   http://www.GrasshopperNet.com/walrafen
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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Re: Let's start a NUGGUL for Don Hartlaub !!!
Date: 23 Aug 1997 16:36:46 -0700 (PDT)





On Sat, 23 Aug 1997, Verne R. Walrafen at home wrote:

> What can we do about this sort of person?

    Well, I believe you have already taken the first step by sharing
your wonderful experience.  Although you might want to also include hi
address so that others can contact him.

        Peace,

            Aahz

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++  [e-mail]
Ex-Vampire Hunter-             +  TEC # 2062
(Caught the only one I need)   +  SECA Co-Founder
Creator of Butterflies         +  CM # 182
Slave to Lady Nikki    ^^*^^   +  List-Owner:
Non-Violent Activist           +  Elongated Coin Mail List
List page: http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm




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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Ebay Bids
Date: 23 Aug 1997 17:15:40 -0700 (PDT)


On Fri, 22 Aug 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

>   Please send me some information  about the eBay bidding on elongated
> pennies.

    I'm not really sure what information you're looking for here.
You can find eBay at http://www.ebay.com/aw  You simply register with
eBay and then locate the auctions you want to bid on either through their
search function or looking through the listings.  When you pull up the
individual page for the item you are interested, just scroll down and
enter your bid.  Your maximum bid will be recorded by eBay and a bid for
the next increment will be entered. When other people bid on the same
item eBay automatically bids for you until either your maximum has been
reached or the auction has closed.

    I hope this answers your question.  If not, feel free to ask more
specific questions and I'll see what I can do.

        Peace,

            Aahz


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++  [e-mail]
Ex-Vampire Hunter-             +  TEC # 2062
(Caught the only one I need)   +  SECA Co-Founder
Creator of Butterflies         +  CM # 182
Slave to Lady Nikki    ^^*^^   +  List-Owner:
Non-Violent Activist           +  Elongated Coin Mail List
List page: http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm




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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Feature story
Date: 23 Aug 1997 17:26:15 -0700 (PDT)


On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, John Wilkens wrote:

> I am a feature writer with the San Diego Union-Tribune. I'm working on a story

> I'm interested in talking to collectors about this hobby. How did you get into
> it? What do you like best about it? Favorite elongated coins? Interesting
> stories about your collecting?


> Please e-mail me or phone me collect at 619.293.2236 if you would be willing
> to be interviewed.


    I can't encourage everyone enough to take a few minutes and reply
to Mr. Wilkens.  Remember, more coverage means more collectors and more
collectors means more people to trade with 8-)

        Peace,

            Aahz

ps.  We also have a sort of mini-canpaign to get him to come to the DL
meet, so feel free to mention the meet in your response to him wether
you're attending or not.

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Creator of Butterflies         +  CM # 182
Slave to Lady Nikki    ^^*^^   +  List-Owner:
Non-Violent Activist           +  Elongated Coin Mail List
List page: http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm




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From: John & Nancy Wooten <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Post 1982 Pennies
Date: 23 Aug 1997 18:17:38 -0700

Hi, all,

I had a very interesting conversation with a local coin dealer
yesterday, and thought I'd share his comments.  We were discussing zinc
(as in the middle of pennies) and he made the statement that unprotected
zinc (as in what shows after a penny is elongated) will eventually
deteriorate and turn to ash.  I asked what he suggested for protection
and he was at a loss.  His only suggestion was to give it a thin coating
of vasoline.

Looks like the vinegar merely excellerated this process, which is why
Chris Aahz's coin had it's problems.

Nancy



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Post 1982 Pennies
Date: 23 Aug 1997 20:22:52 -0700 (PDT)

> (as in the middle of pennies) and he made the statement that unprotected
> zinc (as in what shows after a penny is elongated) will eventually
> deteriorate and turn to ash.  I asked what he suggested for protection
> and he was at a loss.  His only suggestion was to give it a thin coating
> of vasoline.

    Sounds like another great reason to use only coppers.  Even if
doesn't show zinc traces, the elongating has got to wear thru the copper
coating.

        Peace,

            Aahz



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Post 1982 Pennies
Date: 24 Aug 1997 00:01:52 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-08-23 21:24:13 EDT, you write:

> Hi, all,
>
>  I had a very interesting conversation with a local coin dealer
>  yesterday, and thought I'd share his comments.  We were discussing zinc
>  (as in the middle of pennies) and he made the statement that unprotected
>  zinc (as in what shows after a penny is elongated) will eventually
>  deteriorate and turn to ash.  I asked what he suggested for protection
>  and he was at a loss.  His only suggestion was to give it a thin coating
>  of vasoline.
>
>  Looks like the vinegar merely excellerated this process, which is why
>  Chris Aahz's coin had it's problems.
>
>  Nancy
>

Hi Nancy;

I believe that there is a product called "Blue Ribbon".  It's used by "copper
collectors" (cent collectors) to protect the copper.  Wonder if it would help
protect all of our gems?  Is there someone out there that has used it?

-Bob Hoff




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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Newspaper Article
Date: 23 Aug 1997 22:35:19 -0700

Hi Everyone,

I want to thank Chris for his encouragement on writing Mr. Wilkens at the
San Diego Union. I know this paper won't come out in areas most (if not)
all of you live in, but it is important to drop him a short email or
phone call (collect). We can leverage this article to get other writers
in other cities to do similar pieces.

When you write to John, mention how much you would like to know more
about San Francisco & Aloha Penny Machine locations as well as San Diego
locations (I gave him the San Diego phone number to call).

FYI - the interview went well and the photo shoot will be next Wednesday
at 11am in Old Town, so we should see the article about 3 days after that.

Again, thanks to all that have helped John with the article. I am hoping
the article will produce many more collectors, TEC members and reports of
locations!

bc



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Dow Martin Help
Date: 23 Aug 1997 22:37:37 -0700

Hi All,

I have not picked up any of the EC books yet (hope to get one soon). Can
anyone help me research a coin, SHIPS-6, "Old Ironsides" on the Dow
Martin listing...

THANKS for any help on the description (date, engraver, etc).

bc



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Dow Martin Help
Date: 23 Aug 1997 23:10:20 -0700 (PDT)

On Sat, 23 Aug 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I have not picked up any of the EC books yet (hope to get one soon). Can
> anyone help me research a coin, SHIPS-6, "Old Ironsides" on the Dow
> Martin listing...

    Unfortunately, Dow-Martin just gives a description and picture of
the coin.  A few coins have  the roller listed, but I'd say no more then
5% have this info.  The only thing you can learn further about SHIPS-6 is
that there are two minor variants of it.

        Peace,

            Aahz

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Ex-Vampire Hunter-             +  TEC # 2062
(Caught the only one I need)   +  SECA Co-Founder
Creator of Butterflies         +  CM # 182
Slave to Lady Nikki    ^^*^^   +  List-Owner:
Non-Violent Activist           +  Elongated Coin Mail List
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From: Matthew Birchard <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Dow Martin Help
Date: 23 Aug 1997 23:16:27 -0700 (PDT)

SHIPS-6, here is the full description, verbatim from the book
"Yesterday's Elongates":

"Upper edge, /OLD IRONSIDES/.  Center, ship.  Top of Mast on the right is
between "S" and "I" on "IRONSIDES", (a little closer to the "I").  Top of
Mast on the left touches first "I" on "IRONSIDES".  Lettering 2mm high.
Below ship, /LAUNCHED 1797./.  Plain edge."

Now the book lists it as a rarity 2 also.  Also, there is a start notch
on the left side of the coin.  Appears to be a three masted tall ship.
There are five other coins with a similar theme.  They are SHIPS-3 thru
SHIPS-6b.  Oh well, look at that.  SHIPS-6, 6a, 6b.

Geez, looks like Chris beat me to the punch, oh well.  These die variants
deal mostly with the placement of the masts in relation to the letters in
"IRONSIDES".  However, SHIPS-6b has lettering measuring 2 1/2 mm.  Hope
that helps.

Matt Birchard
TEC# 1848
Portland, Oregon
USA

e-mail:  [e-mail]



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Dow Martin Help
Date: 23 Aug 1997 23:47:17 -0700 (PDT)


On Sat, 23 Aug 1997, Matthew Birchard wrote:

> Geez, looks like Chris beat me to the punch, oh well.

    Getting there first is just about the only benefit of not having
a life away from the 'puter 8-)




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Creator of Butterflies         +  CM # 182
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Non-Violent Activist           +  Elongated Coin Mail List
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From: "zinful" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Universal Studios
Date: 24 Aug 1997 07:32:51 -0000



----------
> From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
>
>     Gina, could you possibly repost (or e-mail me) your list of
> CityWalk machines, please?
>

Hi,
There are 3 machines: (that i could find and i went in almost every
store/restaurant)

*"Gladstones Restaurant" in lobby (huge red wacky looking, gaudy machine)
*"Things From Another World" store-has 2 machines (dime & penny)

Gina



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Show report and Tips!
Date: 24 Aug 1997 14:19:13 -0700 (PDT)


Greetings and Salutations!

    I just returned from the Fremont Coin Club's Coin Show and
thought I'd share some details on the show and some 'show tips' that I've
learned.

    Well, the show had about 35 dealers and VERY few people had any
exonumia for sale, much less elongates.  I picked up eight elongates and
only saw 9 others.  The ones I bought were: a San Francisco triple that I
belive is now the sixth variant of this sort and a SF Japanese Tea Garden
that I also belive to be a variant (haven't had the time to check yet); a
Wsest Valley Coin Club 1969 (rolled by Dottie Dow), a 3rd Annual PNC hobby
day issue and a 1986 ANA issue for my coin club collection; and a
licensed USS Enterprise issue (which MAY be available for trade, but I need
to find out where it came from first).  Each of these coins I paid a buck
for or less.  I also picked up a '84 Garden State Numis. Soc. show issue
that was "Good for one round trip fare on the club tour" for $3.00 and
CAL-GGIE-7 for my Golden Gate Expo collection for $4.00.
    What I didn't buy were two Columbian Expo issues ($16 each
shoulda been 10-12), CA-WMH-1 Winchester Mystery House logo, which is
currently available, a San Diego Expo issue at $10, and some other
World's Fair issues in the $8-$20 range.

    I also got a few souvenir tokens/medals from various locales for
under $2 a piece, three Forsted Proof Jefferson Nickels to try in
Disneyland's nickel machines, and 10 dirty Buffalo nickels for the same
purpose.

    I was at the show for about three hours total and had the chance
to talk in some length to all of the dealers I bought elongates from.
Ken Barr, was there, and is quickly becoming a friend as well as a good
source for me.  Ken provides me with any numismatic knowledge I need and
we keep each other informed on what's going on in elongates.  He also
showe dme a recent find of his:  A Seattle World's Fair elongate rolled
on a 1909-S v.d.b. lincoln cent!  He paid about $1.50 for the elongate,
but the penny it's rolled on sells for over $300 in good condition!
Quite a neat item in my opinion.  (No, it wasn't for sale 8-(

The highlight of the show for me was that all of the dealers I bought from
are now recognizing me and know what I'm looking for 8-)  Not only is
this a good feeling personally, but it also means that they're more
likely to pick stuff up that I like and give me good deals.  I had about
a 20 minut chat about currently issued elongates with two dealers and it
was great, cause I got to educate THEM.  I love yakking elongates!

    Okay, now for some show tips:

1) ALWAYS ask a dealer that has any exonumia displayed if they have any
elongates.  Most dealers don't display them as they're generally a slow
moving item and table space is at a premium.

2) Junk boxes!!!  Yes, most dealers (wether they handle exonumia or not)
have a junk box with all coins going for 50c or $1, and a discount with
multiple pieces.  Take a little time to sort through these.  Often
dealers will get a few elongates included when they buy a collection and
these coins just get tossed into their junk box.  There are great finds
to be had here.

3) Talk up elongates when you get the chance.  If the dealers here people
talking about them, they're more likely to carry them or bring them to shows.

4) Stop by a coin shop and pick up one or two "Coin Wallets".  These are
small wallets with plastic slips for 2x2 holders.  Even full the wallet
will slip into a back pocket or purse easily.  This way as you buy coins
you can simply slip them into the wallet and not have to carry a bag
(which occupies a hand and is easy to forget on a table) or jam your
pockets with stuff.  This was the first show I took a coin wallet to and
it was GREAT.

    That's about it for now.  If you've been to any shows lately or
have any comments on what I've said here I'd love to read about 'em.

        Peace,

            Aahz

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++  [e-mail]
Ex-Vampire Hunter-             +  TEC # 2062
(Caught the only one I need)   +  SECA Co-Founder
Creator of Butterflies         +  CM # 182
Slave to Lady Nikki    ^^*^^   +  List-Owner:
Non-Violent Activist           +  Elongated Coin Mail List
List page: http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm




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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Location Keeper Update
Date: 24 Aug 1997 23:20:17 -0700

Hi Everyone,

I got an email tonight with some new locations in San Diego. Thanks for
the report.

>San Diego Maritime Museum/Star of India (2)
>Mission Bay Visitor Center, off I-5 (3)
>Pacific Beach pier gift shop (1)
>Belmont Park (1)
>Stephen Birch Aquarium (3)
>Viejas Casino (1)

Bert



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Buying elongates
Date: 25 Aug 1997 00:34:40 -0700 (PDT)


    This message will likely be rather long, but I think it's an
important enough topic that it merits this.  I'm writing this letter
primarily because of the prices realized on elongates at eBay lately.
They're WAY too high.  We, as collectors, are cutting our own throats by
paying far too much for elongates.  I have no problem with dealers making
a profit, and I'm sure anyone selling elongates at eBay in the last week
is VERY happy with their results.  But Ken Barr even commented to me
today that the prices are getting out line there and he's one of the
beneficiaries of this phenomenon.  So, I thought I would share a little
information on how and where to buy elongates and how much to pay for them.

    The internet is only one place that I find elongates.  Most of my
collection has come from trading and or bulk purchases.  Several rollers
sell "grab bags" of 100 different elongates in the $15-$25 range,
postpaid.  These are modern elongates and I have found that in each lot I
buy I get somewhere from 25-50 coins for my collection with the rest
going into my trade stock.  If I were to receive only 25 for my
collection and give the rest away for free, I would still be paying only
$1 apiece including shipping.  Why then, are so many people willing to
pay $2-$7 plus shipping for single modern elongates at eBay?  I must
assume it's because you don't know where else to find 'em.

    When I finish posting this article I will make another post
containing some addresses and info for bulk elongate purchases.

    The next place I get elongates is at coin shows.  If you're
serious about building yourcollection, then you need to start attending
shows.  Especially if you're looking into the oldies.  It's by going to
shows that you start to get a feel for what these things are actually
worth.  You'll also find a larger selection of coins so you won't 'need'
to buy any certain one quite as bad.  For example an 'oldie' recently
sold at eBay for over $20.  I had passed up this very same coin (not an
identical sample, but the SAME coin) when it was priced at $7, because I
found it at another dealer's table for less.  I have spoken to the dealer
since the coin sold and his first comment to me was: "Have you seen the
elongate price runaways on eBay?"  That was my other reason for writing
this.  When even the dealers are shocked, you know you're paying too much.

    In the future I will make a habit of posting info on upcoming
shows in areas I know we have readers. (CA, MS, TX)  I encourage others
to do the same and to post reports of what you find as well when you
return from shows.

    The final place I find elongates is at Coin Shops.  While my
local shops rarely have any, they all know me well enough now that they
scoop them up when they find them cheap.  I will buy from them even if
it's outside my collecting area (I use it for trade stock) as long as
they're relatively cheap and this helps them keep me in mind.  Again,
this is one of the places you're going to have to ask, and expect an
answer like "I know I have some around here somewhere, but I'm not sure
where".  If you do hear something like this, ask 'em to keep an eye out
and let them know you'll stop back by in a week or two to see what
they've found.  Then do so.

    I hope this helps some of you out there.  To any dealers I may
have offended, I'm sorry.  It's nothing personal, but on auctions it's
the buyer that sets the price and if we keep inflating the prices we're
going to start doing more harm then good.

        Peace,

            Aahz


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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Buying elongates
Date: 25 Aug 1997 10:16:12 -0700

Hi Everyone,

First, let me give Chris 4 EC's (better than 4 stars or 2 thumbs up) for
his "Buying Elongates" information. It needed to be said and he did a
GREAT job, thanks Chris!

I have a few thoughts to add. I got my EC start by seeing 3 or 4 coins at
my dad's Antique Shop one day. I was able to get a 'family discount' and
I took the coins home and started studying them (see my San Diego web
page for the 35' and 36' coins). So another place to check is antique
shops, and even flea markets... There won't be as many as the primary
locations Chris gave us, but you can get a few oldies from time to time.

One of things that is hard for us newer collectors is knowing when to bid
for something and where else it might be available. Chris' pointers on
coin shows, and dealers is well taken and I will start to watch for both
in Southern California and alert you all. In the antique business they
have 'pickers.' These are people that go around (barns, fleas markets,
garage sales...) picking up pieces they know certain dealers or shops
want. We could start something like that... If I knew Jeff wanted a
certain category of coin, I could look at the So. CA coin shows, etc and
see if I could find them... A list of our categories could be something
we all post from time to time. We could list only our email address and
what we are interested. Just a thought...

Back to the 'what's out there' topic for a minute. It would help to know
a little more about what's out there in the grab bags (what categories of
coins). The price is right, and perhaps it is time to take some of the
inflation out of EC prices by buying some grab bags and then start a
round of trading based on the things in the bags that become our
traders... I'll start this off by getting a grab bag this week, and
letting you all know what I find.

On the 'picker' idea, I starting to narrow my focus to ships or Navy
EC's, trains and planes, anything from New Orleans and San Diego (Oh and
Hawaii too), and Civil War EC's. I am still looking for my first Susan B
Anthony EC (thought I had traded for one but it never showed up). I am
also interested in anything with an email address or URL on it, and all
non-US issues (since they should be more of a challenge to collect and
there won't be as many as US issues... Of course I remain a fan of Zoo
issues (wow, Bert's really getting some focus here!)... 8-)

I really appreciate Chris leading off this thread and hope you all will
add to it (I know you guys, you are NOT bashful!)...

<music in the background... 'bag boy, bag boy... Whatcha' gonna do,
whatcha' gonna do when they (EC's) come to you...>

Stay tuned for Bert's Most Excellent Grab Bag Experience...  Hey Chris,
any additional thoughts on your grab bags (categories that show up, pre
and post 82's, etc)?


Bert
Location Keeper
(PS, if it makes sense, I will put up a web page or 2 on our general
findings from grab bags, or we could put it in Kathy's FAQ's, what ever
works best for everyone.)

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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Buying elongates
Date: 25 Aug 1997 19:23:03 -0400

Hello all.

One small additional thought to follow up on Chris and Bert's excellent
posts on this subject.

In the heat of an auction it is difficult not to get caught up in the
action. (This is how casinos amke their money) It is important for you
to decide what a particular EC is worth TO YOU.  Decide up front what
your maximum bid will be and then STICK TO IT. If a particular EC is
worth $6-$7 to you then you should bid that up front. If the EC is only
worth a dollar or two to you then bid THAT up front.  A $6 EC should be
the exception rather than the rule especially where most of the EC's on
eBay are modern.  I don't think spending six or seven bucks for an EC
occaisionally is going to break any banks, but I wouldn't make a habit
of it.  I learned quick after sending a couple checks that were fatter
than they should have been.

BTW, I will be receiving a lot of 65 EC's I found on eBay.  They weren't
in exonumeria.  I'm sure I'll have some to trade.  Oh yeah...  the lot
was $18.00... $.28 each.  (Makes up for the two I paid $4.25 and $5.00
for)  Live and learn.

Ben



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From: John & Nancy Wooten <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Buying elongates
Date: 25 Aug 1997 19:29:11 -0700

Hi, all,

As someone new to this list, I'd like to add my thoughts to this
subject.  While I had heard of eBay for quite some time though another
source, I had not checked it out until about a week ago.  This was
because I have always had a bad feeling about auctions.  As has been
noted, "auction fever" can get the better of you if you aren't careful.

I have seen lots going to people whose names I recognize, and my thought
was "Well, they know what it should be worth, and besides that, they saw
it first."  Perhaps that is a bit naive of me, but that is how I feel.
If someone I know is bidding on a lot that contains an item or two I
would like to have, I would rather wait and see if they win.  If so, I
would contact that person and ask if the particular item I am interested
in is available for trade.

When I first started reading the posts here, I thought that people were
getting bargains on eBay, and so I decided to check it out.  I
registered, and have bid on a few pieces. I have always tried to set a
worth for the item I wanted, and stick to it.  Thankfully I have a
husband who is always available to discuss the worth of an item, (which
is good, as everything I have bid on so far has been for him) and help
me stick to it and not spend more than we should.  But as has been
stated here, prices seem to be going "out of sight".

I am looking forward to seeing the promised listing of places to get
"grab bags", and other ways to obtain ECs at a reasonable price (or
trade).  Seems like a lot of fun to me.  I certainly am looking forward
to the Disneyland trip to meet with the "pros" and learn more about this
most facinating hobby.

Living in a rather remote area (the nearest "large" city is Bakersfield,
with only one coin shop I would be willing to go in to), I need advice,
and am counting on you "old timers" (most of which are certainly younger
than I) to set me on the path which will allow me to particapate in
trades which will be beneficial to both parties.

Thanks for listening,

Nancy



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Buying elongates
Date: 25 Aug 1997 21:48:44 -0700 (PDT)


On Mon, 25 Aug 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> page for the 35' and 36' coins). So another place to check is antique
> shops, and even flea markets... There won't be as many as the primary
> locations Chris gave us, but you can get a few oldies from time to time.

    Actually, I've found more elongates in antique shops then in coin
shops!  Also, pawn shops are a good place to check.  You may have to ask
for 'tokens' as few pawn shop clerks know what an elongate is.

> in Southern California and alert you all. In the antique business they
> have 'pickers.' These are people that go around (barns, fleas markets,
> garage sales...) picking up pieces they know certain dealers or shops
> want. We could start something like that... If I knew Jeff wanted a

    This is what I have tried to do by putting my 'wants' at the top
of the trade list I post to the list (yes, I'm STILL working on the new
one, sorry).  I try to keep a mental lst (at least) of people's interests
for trading purposes.  Not only does it help the others out, but if I
have something they want, they're more likely to find/give up something I
want.

> Back to the 'what's out there' topic for a minute. It would help to know
> a little more about what's out there in the grab bags (what categories of
> coins).

    Well, that's a tough one, Bert.  I mean, they're grab bags.  You
can be about 99% sure they're not from automated machines, but topic is
up in the air.  The rollers roll for anybody who places an order and pays
the bill.  You could find anything in here.  But that's one of the best
parts of Grab Bags!  The Surprises!

> issues (wow, Bert's really getting some focus here!)... 8-)

    Yah I know.  When I talk to dealers about what I'm looking for I
have to rattle off like 9 different areas!  Not to mention that my main
focus is souvenir stuff which could be just about anything!

    Peace,

        Aahz


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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Buying elongates
Date: 25 Aug 1997 21:56:21 -0700 (PDT)


On Mon, 25 Aug 1997, Mary C. and Ben L. wrote:

> to decide what a particular EC is worth TO YOU.  Decide up front what
> your maximum bid will be and then STICK TO IT. If a particular EC is
> worth $6-$7 to you then you should bid that up front. If the EC is only
> worth a dollar or two to you then bid THAT up front.  A $6 EC should be

    Excellent.  Also, when you id I'd recommend checking the opening
price.  Typically (not just for elongates, but on most on-line auctions)
if you're bidding more then double the opening bid, you might want to
think twice.  Most dealers set their opening bid at or JUST below their
retail price.  Which is still above the price they paid.  The obvious
exception to this is Reserve Price Auctions.  Personally, I refuse to bid
on reserve price auctions.  If the seller needs a certain amount (s)he
should start the bidding there.  'Winning' a hard fought lot only to find
that you didn't meet the reserve can be VERY frustrating.  I don't recall
seeing any elongates with reserves, but it could happen.  The only way to
keep people from toying with your desires to find out what their item is
worth is to not bid on Reserve auctions.  If I find something I want to
bid on then discover it's on Reserve, I usually send a nice letter to the
seller informing him that I do not bid on reserve price auctions, but
would be interested in purchasing the item outright (AFTER he reveals his
price) or bidding on it once I know where to begin my bidding.

        Peace,

            Aahz


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Labor day weekend
Date: 26 Aug 1997 01:02:41 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 8/22/97 2:52:23 PM China Daylight Time, you write:

<<     Seriously, though, I wouldn't know the first thing about what's
 going on inside those machines.  Besides, how do we convince Sara
 Winchester to let us open 'em up?
  >>

     I could figure it out given a little time. I fix all sorts of unusual
machinery all day and a penny squisher couldn't be that difficult. I just
wouldn't know how to bluff the management into opening the machine for me.
The machinery is opened by an ace key, damned hard to pick, and is separate
from the coin box.
I'd give it a try. Does anyone have a Eurolink patch for my overalls?



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Buying elongates
Date: 25 Aug 1997 22:05:18 -0700 (PDT)


On Mon, 25 Aug 1997, John & Nancy Wooten wrote:

> I have seen lots going to people whose names I recognize, and my thought
> was "Well, they know what it should be worth, and besides that, they saw
> it first."  Perhaps that is a bit naive of me, but that is how I feel.

    I'm glad you mnetioned this, Nancy, because I feel the same way,
but was reluctant to mention it to the list.  Then again, many people
think my attitudes on collecting are pretty naive.

> When I first started reading the posts here, I thought that people were
> getting bargains on eBay, and so I decided to check it out.  I

    Well, when you first joined us, we were 8-).  The price runups
have only begun to occur in the last few weeks.  Mainly due to the
'pumping up' of eBay done on this list, IMHO.

> I am looking forward to seeing the promised listing of places to get
> "grab bags", and other ways to obtain ECs at a reasonable price (or
> trade).  Seems like a lot of fun to me.  I certainly am looking forward

    ACK!!!  Yeah, I've been pretty distracted the last few weeks.  Been
busy preppin' for me road trip to DL and serving my new master ;)  As a
result, I have begun failing to follow up on things, and I must apologize to
all for this.  I PROMISE I will post this info tonight.  If I don't PLEASE
flood my e-mail box to remind me 8-)

> to the Disneyland trip to meet with the "pros" and learn more about this
> most facinating hobby.
>
    Well, none of us here are really THAT experienced with
elongates.  But with all of us working together we cover most of the
bases.  And that's the whole point of the list!

        Peace,

            Aahz


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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Buying elongates - addendum
Date: 25 Aug 1997 22:10:39 -0700 (PDT)


    A couple of things I forgot to put in my original 'buying' post.

    1) If anyone thinks that my motivation for that post was 'sour
grapes' over losing lots, all I can say is: I haven't bid on an elongate
at eBay for at least a week (and I think it's been two).  Not only is the
budget too tight with the DL trip so near, but I don't like competing
with people from the list.  I'll find what I'm looking for elsewhere.

    2) Coin Clubs!!!!  I totally forgot to mention coin clubs.  I've
started attending the monthly meetings of the San Jose Coin CLub.
Haven't got around to shelling out my ten bucks membership dues, but
visitors are always welcome at most club meetings.  Here you can find
other collectors and dealers that you would not meet otherwise.  My
friendship with Ken Barr is largely due to seeing him at club meetings.
And I got my best elongate find ever from him at a club meeting!

    You can find Coin Clubs in your area by asking at coin shops or
checking the ANA web site.  I believe their url is:  http://www.money.org.

        Peace,

            Aahz


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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Bulk sellers
Date: 25 Aug 1997 23:43:42 -0700 (PDT)


    Okay, this list is shorter then I expected as I have been unable
to find my master list, but it should get you started:

    Bernie Myles
    1605 South 7th Street
    Terre Haute, IN 47802
    [phone]
    100/$15ppd

    Bernie is the son-in-law of the legendary Frank Brazzell and has
approximately 6000 different designs available.  So everyone can feel
free purchasing from him and still being able to trade.  He also includes
a free elongated nickel or dime with each order (I got one of each with
mine!).  90% if the coins were Brazzell issues with a pretty good mix of
souvenir issues, society issues, and coin club/show issues.  Plus a few
store cards, personal cards, sports and miscellaneous stuff.

    Luck 'E' Penny
    [e-mail]
    http://www.clark.net/pub/massey/lep_home.htm
    100/$20ppd

    This is Willy Massey.  Willy has several of Frank Brazzell dies
and is a roller himself (as well as being TEC president).    The mix I
got from him seemed to be more sports oriented and souvenirs.  Less
personal/store cards and few club/show issues.  More miscelanneous stuff.

    Rocky Rockholt
    [e-mail]
    2678 Sumac Ridge
    White Bear Lake, MN 55110-5646

    Not sure if Rocky has bulk grab bags, but do know he is currently
selling sets of Steam Locomotives, WWII planes and dinosaurs (20 per set)
for $10 each.  Theses sets come in 2x2s and plastic pages, postpaid.  He
offers the same sets on nickels for $15/set.

    I have had dealings with all three of these people and never had
a problem.  Nor have I heard a single complaint against any of them.  I
would like to hear your experiences (good or bad).



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Upcoming Shows - CA
Date: 25 Aug 1997 23:52:23 -0700 (PDT)


8/30-31 - Pasadena
    Golden State Coin Show
    Pasadena Ctr.
    300 E. Green St.
A: $2

9/6-7 - San Diego
    1st Weekend Coin & Stamp Show
    King's Inn Hotel
    1333 Hotel Circle S.
A: Free

9/11-14 - Long Beach
    Coin & Collectible Expo
    Covention Ctr.
    100 S. Pine Ave.
A: $4
    (This is a biggie (400-500 tables).  All my local dealers will be
heading down there (and looking for elongates for me 8-).  If you're only
going to one show in SoCal in the next few months I recommend this one.
Friday or Saturday are your best bets for buying as many dealers are known
to leave this show early.)

9/27-28 - Glendale
    Coin & Stamp Exposition
    Armory
    220 E. Colordao
A: $2



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Upcoming Shows - MA
Date: 25 Aug 1997 23:54:20 -0700 (PDT)


8/31 - New Bedford
    Coin Club of Greater New Bedford Coin Show
    VFW Poirioer Post
    929 Ashley Blvd. (Rt. 18)



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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Buying elongates - and NENA show
Date: 26 Aug 1997 09:00:01 -0400

Okay.  I went to the NENA show this weekend.

I realized just how silly I've been on eBay.  I purchased on eBay the 1939
World's Fair coin for 12.50+ shipping.  The reason?
I thought that was a "good deal" for such an old coin.  I saw the same coin
for $6 at NENA!  Ouch!

I did pick up two really cool old San Francisco elongates from Ray Dillard.
 He's a really cool guy!
Plus, I picked up an 1839 Columbian Expo penny.

On picking up pennies for other people, I try to do that already.  One of
the lots I bid for has an astrological penny for our
astro fan on the list. :)  I also collect float pens for Beverly Broadstone
(some people have probably traded with her) whenever
I see them.

I'm not interested in making money off this hobby.  I think it's cool to
have a couple of older coins, but I'm mostly sticking
to today's elongates.

What kinds of pennies do I collect?  Well, I collect tourist attractions,
animals, and technology pennies.  Plus, I'm a sucker
for San Fran pennies (it's just too cool there).

Thanks for the advice on where to buy pennies.  I too feel eBay has
exploded (now that I have a price point).

- Jeff


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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Update on the Computer Museum elongated penny machine - Boston
Date: 26 Aug 1997 09:02:06 -0400


My wife and I went there last weekend.  The machine has been taken down for
repairs.  So, if anyone has the error coins, they
are more scarce.  The guy at the giftshop told me the machine will be back
in two weeks.

I'll keep ya'll updated,

- Jeff

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From: James Henry <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Minnesota State Fair Pennies
Date: 26 Aug 1997 09:21:07 -0500

Just got back from the fair and was at the museum.  They had about 15
different elongated pennies from past fairs.  They no longer make them
(sorry, I asked) but now my interest is peaked about past ones.  Does
anyone have any?  If so, email me!!!  Also, please, everyone start to
look for these for me please.  Will buy!!  Thanks.

Janelle (Minnesota Flats)
Tina (Little Flats)



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Upcoming Shows - MN
Date: 26 Aug 1997 11:49:33 -0700 (PDT)


9/6-7 Roseville
    Coin Spectacular #3
    Har-Mar Mall
    2100 N. Snelling Ave
A: Free

9/13-14 Minneapolis
    Apache Coin Club Show
    Apache Plaza Mall
    3800 Silver Lake Rd


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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Upcoming Shows - TX
Date: 26 Aug 1997 12:07:48 -0700 (PDT)

8/30 San Antonio
    Alamo Coin Club Show
    Live Oak Civic Ctr
    8101 Pat Booker Rd at Loop 1604 NE
A: Free

9/5-7 Plano
    10th Annual Plano Coin & Stamp Show
    Plano Civic Centre
    2000 E. Spring Creek Pkwy
A: Free

9/20-21 Fort Worth
    26th Annual Summer Coin & Stamp Show
    Green Oaks Inn
    6901 West Freeway (I-30)
A: Free

9/27-28 San Angelo
    CONCHOPEX '97
    Sunset Mall
    1182 Sunset Mall Dr
a: Free

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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Show posting info
Date: 26 Aug 1997 12:09:46 -0700 (PDT)


    Okay, I posted show lists for CA, MA, MN, and TX.   Do we have
people out there from other states that are interested?

    I'm pulling this info straight from Coin World and Numismatic
News, so if it's wrong, I apologize.

    What infor is important to you in these show listings?


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Long Beach Coin Show
Date: 26 Aug 1997 15:47:20 -0400 (EDT)


Hi All;

Thought this would be of interest, just passing it on....

-Bob Hoff


                           ENGRAVER=92S JFK MEDALS, ART WORK=20
                          MAKE FIRST CALIFORNIA APPEARANCE
                                      September 11 - 14, 1997

WHAT:        Long Beach Coin & Collectibles Expo

              The first California exhibit of selected museum works of ar=
tist
Gilroy Roberts (1905 - 1992), a designer of the Kennedy half dollar.  Amo=
ng
the 75 items on display will be a 1964 plaster mold for a John F. Kennedy
memorial medal and art works by Roberts depicting Harry S. Truman, Richar=
d M.
Nixon, Malcolm X, Mahalia Jackson, Albert Einstein and Queen Elizabeth II.

The four-day collector=92s show also features rare coins and paper money,
postage stamps and special postal cancellations honoring famous football
coaches.
    =09
WHEN:        September 11 - 14, 1997
        Thursday - Saturday 10:00 a.m. to 7:00 p.m.
        Sunday 10:00 a.m. - 3:00 p.m.

WHERE:        Long Beach Convention Center
        100 South Pine Ave.  (Use Pine Ave. entrance.)
        Long Beach, CA

                           Open to the public.  Admission: $4 (for a four=
 day
pass).  FREE ADMISSION TO ANYONE DISPLAYING A VALID MEMBERSHIP CARD IN AN=
Y
NUMISMATIC OR PHILATELIC CLUB OR ORGANIZATION.

WHO:           Nearly 2,000 dealers buying and selling rare coins, paper mon=
ey,
postage stamps, postcards, sports cards and sports memorabilia, autograph=
s,
historical documents, antiques, and jewelry.

INFO:        For additional information, Sept. 10 -14, call 562-436-3636 and as=
k
for "coin show."  (Prior to Sept. 9, call 805-962-9939.)



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From: Slave to Lady Nikki <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Long Beach Coin Show
Date: 26 Aug 1997 13:54:53 -0600 (MDT)

On Tue, 26 Aug 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

>
> WHAT:        Long Beach Coin & Collectibles Expo
>
> WHERE:        Long Beach Convention Center
>         100 South Pine Ave.  (Use Pine Ave. entrance.)
>         Long Beach, CA
>
>                            Open to the public.  Admission: $4 (for a four day
> pass).  FREE ADMISSION TO ANYONE DISPLAYING A VALID MEMBERSHIP CARD IN ANY
> NUMISMATIC OR PHILATELIC CLUB OR ORGANIZATION.

    Wow!  I was unaware of this free admission offer.  There are three
of these shows each year.  That means that if you were to join TEC ($10)
and go to all three of these shows ($12 regular price), you would not only
receive the benefits of being a TEC member, but would save $2 for the
year, to boot!  Watta bargain.

            Peace,

                Aahz

~~~Ex-Vampire Hunter (Got caught by the only one I need)
~~~~Creator of Butterflies, Slave to Lady Nikki
~~~~~List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List
~~~~~~"My name is Aahz and I'm a Tinkaholic"  "Hello Aahz!"




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From: David Shapiro <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Show posting info
Date: 26 Aug 1997 15:44:22 -0400

I need NY show info, plrease.
Dave.
Chris Aahz wrote:
>
>         Okay, I posted show lists for CA, MA, MN, and TX.   Do we have
> people out there from other states that are interested?
>
>         I'm pulling this info straight from Coin World and Numismatic
> News, so if it's wrong, I apologize.
>
>         What infor is important to you in these show listings?
>
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I
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From: Slave to Lady Nikki <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Upcoming Shows - NY
Date: 26 Aug 1997 14:01:52 -0600 (MDT)

<adding NY to list for future updates>
Here ya go, David:

8/31 Levittown
    5th Sunday Show
    Israel Community Center
    3235 Hempstead Turnpike
A: Free

9/7 Albany
    CDCDA Coin, Stamp & Hobby Show
    Polish Community Center
    Washington Avenue, Ext. A
A: $1



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~~~~Creator of Butterflies, Slave to Lady Nikki
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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Upcoming Shows - NY
Date: 26 Aug 1997 16:09:01 -0400

>~~~~Creator of Butterflies, Slave to Lady Nikki

Whoa,  I guess Lady Nikki did her job a little too well. :)

- Jeff

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Software Engineer/Memory Czar
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence      http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Upcoming Shows - NY
Date: 26 Aug 1997 13:33:01 -0700 (PDT)


On Tue, 26 Aug 1997, Jeff Dixon wrote:

> >~~~~Creator of Butterflies, Slave to Lady Nikki
>
> Whoa,  I guess Lady Nikki did her job a little too well. :)

    Yeah, I've been added to the roster of vampire hunters who have
fallen to/for their prey.  But what a great way to go ;)

    Peace,

        Aahz

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From: James Henry <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Winchester Pennies
Date: 26 Aug 1997 15:42:37 -0500

Well, as usual I am a little confused.  Got the Winchester penny (Thanks
Mickey) but it is one I have.  Looking at Bert's list so am confused on
which I am missing.  Have the one with the bicycle and one that says
Winchester Mystery House San Jose, California with rifle but doesn't say
anything about the Gun That Won the West.  So am I missing the first or
second one on Bert's list?  If we figure out which, who can pick it up
for me?  Mickey, will send yours back.  Thanks.  And please, ALL, keep
looking for those Minnesota Fair pennies and any others from Minnesota
like the Minnehaha Falls one in Yesterday Elongateds or the capital one
also.  Thanks.

Janelle (MN Flats)



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Attention TEC members
Date: 26 Aug 1997 13:56:17 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings & Salutations!

    Okay, the election is behind us and the membership meeting gone
for another year.  However, I believe the work of the members has just
begun.  The submission deadline for the final TEC News of the year is
Sptember 15th, and I would like to submit an article created by TEC
members of this list (and anyone else we can get involved) with proposals
for what TEC should be accomplishing or at least working towards in the
coming year.  I am willing to do the write-up and the article would be
by-lined by all the members willing to support the ideas in it.  So, now
we just need some ideas.  Mine are below and I would like to hear not
only your comments on these, but any other ideas you have.

    * Increase TEC News from a quarterly publication to a bimonthly
publication.  Also increase page count from the current 16 pages to 20-24
pages.  I have already asked Anita Zell (TEC Treasurer) about this and
she believes that the budget can more then likely handle it. I have also
mentioned it to Corey Wylde (TECN Editor) and he says that he is willing
to do the additional work required.  A majority vote of the Board of
Directors is required to make this happen.  Also, the members must
provide the articles to fill the increased page count.

    * Add an internet news column to TECN.  This article would keep
on-line members abreat of what is happening with elongates on-line and
also keep the 'net info from overflowing the rest of the information in
TECN.  The majority of TEC members are not on-line (yet), so we can't
flood TECN with 'net stuff, but I believe we should have a forum there as
well.  Corey has also given the nod to this idea, though we need both the
space and the contributions in order to make it happen.

    * Establish an official TEC website.  This was first mentioned in
the Spring 1997 issue of TECN and was supposed to be discussed/voted upon
at the TEC meeting in NY.  I have not heard wether or not this occured,
but I think it should happen.  Willy Massey (TEC President) had mentioned
the idea of setting up an internet committe for on-line projects.  This
also should be happening.  Again, the Board would have to vote to approve
the expenditure involved in setting up a web site.

    * Create an official TEC store card elongate with info for
joining TEC.

    * Establish an election committee to review the current state of
elections within TEC.  Both how they are/have been occuring and what the
by-laws state concerning elections.  Recommendations would be sent to the
Board for action at the 1998 meeting.

    That's all I can think of at the moment, though I believe there
were one or two others.  What do y'all think of these? Would yu be
willingto put your name to such a proposal?  Do you have other ideas?

    We, the members, are TEC.  It will only be what we make of it.

        Peace,

            Aahz

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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Winchester Pennies
Date: 26 Aug 1997 14:06:44 -0700 (PDT)


On Tue, 26 Aug 1997, James Henry wrote:

> Well, as usual I am a little confused.  Got the Winchester penny (Thanks
> Mickey) but it is one I have.  Looking at Bert's list so am confused on
> which I am missing.  Have the one with the bicycle and one that says
> Winchester Mystery House San Jose, California with rifle but doesn't say
> anything about the Gun That Won the West.  So am I missing the first or
> second one on Bert's list?  If we figure out which, who can pick it up

    It sounds to me like you're missing the coin from The Firearms
Museum.  This is the machine that has been out of order for seceral
months now.  As a result, I have not had any to trade in a long time.  I
stopped by this morning and it's still down (ARGH!).  Anyway, this is the
scond coin on Bert's list.  You can double check by taking a peek at
Kathy's Penny Page (http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/)  She has
images of the two coins I believe you have, but not of the one you
don't.  If this is the case, then I am correct and you are missing the
Firearms Museum coin.  You're at the top of my list when the machine goes
back on-line.

        Peace,

            Aahz


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Long Beach Coin Show
Date: 26 Aug 1997 17:22:37 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-08-26 16:53:28 EDT, you write:

>
>      Wow!  I was unaware of this free admission offer.  There are three
>  of these shows each year.  That means that if you were to join TEC ($10)
>  and go to all three of these shows ($12 regular price), you would not only
>  receive the benefits of being a TEC member, but would save $2 for the
>  year, to boot!  Watta bargain.
>
>              Peace,
>
>                  Aahz
>

YEP!  Just show your card
I never leave home without it!  :-)
-Bob Hoff

Hey, just noticed, Chris, you have just quoted a post I made and I haven't
gotten the original post yet!  Good thing I read it before I sent it. :-)

Yes, I need a nap.....





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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) New cataloging system
Date: 26 Aug 1997 14:49:54 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings and Salutations!

    Janelle's recent post has spurred me to post something to the
list slightly prematurely.  So, bear with me if you will.

    I have been working on a new cataloging sytem for elongates.
This system would be topically based rather then location (Martin-Dow) or
designer (Rosato).  Introducing a new catalogin system always causes
quite a controversy in a collectibles community, so I have been keeping
this pretty close, but it's just about ready to advance to the next step
(widespread testing) and I'm going to be calling on all of you to help
with this.  I intend to present the system upon returning from the
DL trip.  (Want to hash out some stuff with people face to face before
posting it).

    I fel a new catalogin system is important because of the
confusion in Janelle's Winchester post.  I am very familiar with these
coins, but it still took me several minutes to figure out which coin it
was that she was missing.  This was not due to any mis-step on Janelle's
part, but rather that it is VERY difficult to differentiate certain coins
without being able to see them.  The cataloging system would help
eliminate this in a couple of different ways.  Let me use the Winchester
Mystery House coins as an example.

    There are currently three different coins available from the Winchester
Mystery House.  And, according to Shawn Cromwell, Tours and Arcade
manager, they have never had any other issue available.  This makes
things pretty simple.

    The obvious topic of these coins is the Winchester Mystery
House, which is in San Jose, CA.  They were also primarily created as
souvenirs.  So their listing in my new cataloging system becomes CA-WMH-#.
CA means California and indicates that the coin is a souvenir from that
state.  WMH is the abbreviated form of the Winchester Mystery House.  The
# will be arbitrarily assigned with the intent of doing so in the order
in which the dies were originally used.  Also, each coin will be
assigned a 'title' or name to make the system a little more user
friendly.  Each title will be unique within the specific category.  Thus the
three Winchester Mystery House coins become:

    CA-WMH-1 Logo
        This is the issue with the picture of the house itself.
An image of this coin can be seen on Kathy's Penny Page.  It was assigned
the number 1 as it is the first die WMH commissioned (1989).  The title
'Logo' comes from the fact that the image on this coin is the official
logo of WMH and decorates all their official items.

    CA-WMH-2 Firearms Museum
        This is the issue that Janelle is seeking.  As far as I
know it is not pictured anywhere on the web.  The machine was installed
in 1990 and is located in The FirearmsMuseum in the courtyard area of WMH.

    CA-WMH-3 Products Museum
        This is the issue with the flashlight, bicycle and hammer
on it.  It is also pictured on The Penny Page.  The machine was installed
in 1992 and is located in The Products Museum in the WMH gift shop.

    So, wouldn't it be easier for Janelle to originally have said
"I'm looking for CA-WMH-2 Firearms museum"?  I believe so.  I've run this
cataloging system (in greater detail) by Bert and he has agreed to start
using it on his web site.  One of my primary motivations for the DL trip
is to talk to fellow collectors about this sytem.  When I return I will
present the system as a whole to the list for two reasons: 1) I am
certain that there are wholes in the system that I have not yet seen.  In
game design they have something called playtesting, in publishing it's
proofreading, and in 'puters it's called beta testing.  Call it what you
will, this is what I'm hoping for from all of you.  Look at the system,
bang on it, twist it, warp it, and let me know what you think.  2) I am
hoping that those with web sites will start using this system on their
sites.  This should help ease some of the confusion in trading/selling
when the coins cannot be seen firsthand as well as get people used to the
system.

    As always, your thoughts are appreciated.

        Peace,

            Aahz

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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Attention TEC members
Date: 26 Aug 1997 15:16:36 -0700

On 8/26/97 1:56 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    * Increase TEC News from a quarterly publication to a bimonthly
>publication.  Also increase page count from the current 16 pages to 20-24
>pages.  I have already asked Anita Zell (TEC Treasurer) about this and
>she believes that the budget can more then likely handle it. I have also
>mentioned it to Corey Wylde (TECN Editor) and he says that he is willing
>to do the additional work required.  A majority vote of the Board of
>Directors is required to make this happen.  Also, the members must
>provide the articles to fill the increased page count.

<Bert here...> I want to fully support the bi-monthly editions AND
increased page count. I suggest we propose each of these for a separate
vote. I would rather have 16 pages bi-monthly rather than the current
issue size and frequency, though 20 pages bi-monthly is THE best! By
adding a new section (as we have discussed on the Elongated Mailing List)
to transfer information and stories from electronic sources into the TEC
News we should be able to easily move to 20 pages.
<snip>
>
>    * Establish an official TEC website.  This was first mentioned in
>the Spring 1997 issue of TECN and was supposed to be discussed/voted upon
>at the TEC meeting in NY.  I have not heard wether or not this occured,
>but I think it should happen.  Willy Massey (TEC President) had mentioned
>the idea of setting up an internet committe for on-line projects.  This
>also should be happening.  Again, the Board would have to vote to approve
>the expenditure involved in setting up a web site.

Count me in to help support the web site!
>
>    * Create an official TEC store card elongate with info for
>joining TEC.

Count me in to help distribute these! Wish we could get them for the
Disneyland Sept 7th meeting!

Bert Creighton
TEC#2095



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Attention TEC members
Date: 26 Aug 1997 15:16:36 -0700

On 8/26/97 1:56 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    * Increase TEC News from a quarterly publication to a bimonthly
>publication.  Also increase page count from the current 16 pages to 20-24
>pages.  I have already asked Anita Zell (TEC Treasurer) about this and
>she believes that the budget can more then likely handle it. I have also
>mentioned it to Corey Wylde (TECN Editor) and he says that he is willing
>to do the additional work required.  A majority vote of the Board of
>Directors is required to make this happen.  Also, the members must
>provide the articles to fill the increased page count.

<Bert here...> I want to fully support the bi-monthly editions AND
increased page count. I suggest we propose each of these for a separate
vote. I would rather have 16 pages bi-monthly rather than the current
issue size and frequency, though 20 pages bi-monthly is THE best! By
adding a new section (as we have discussed on the Elongated Mailing List)
to transfer information and stories from electronic sources into the TEC
News we should be able to easily move to 20 pages.
<snip>
>
>    * Establish an official TEC website.  This was first mentioned in
>the Spring 1997 issue of TECN and was supposed to be discussed/voted upon
>at the TEC meeting in NY.  I have not heard wether or not this occured,
>but I think it should happen.  Willy Massey (TEC President) had mentioned
>the idea of setting up an internet committe for on-line projects.  This
>also should be happening.  Again, the Board would have to vote to approve
>the expenditure involved in setting up a web site.

Count me in to help support the web site!
>
>    * Create an official TEC store card elongate with info for
>joining TEC.

Count me in to help distribute these! Wish we could get them for the
Disneyland Sept 7th meeting!

Bert Creighton
TEC#2095



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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Show posting info
Date: 26 Aug 1997 18:37:03 -0400

Hi everyone.

For info on coin shows try www.coinshows.com I tried it just for laughs and lo and
behold: Coin Show listings!

Ben



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Norman Peters List 114
Date: 26 Aug 1997 17:32:31 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings and Salutations!

    I just received from my wonderful mail man the latest sale list
from Norman G. Peters.  Below I have listed the elongates he has
available for sale.  Bear in mind these are his selling prices, this is
NOT an auction.  The comments on pricing are my own so apply as little or
much weight to them as you feel appropriate:

pg.4     Elongated Coins - Martin & Dow Numbers:
        WCE-2b Rolled on 1884 Nicel XF+ $15.00
        WCE-1c Rolled on 1889 Nickel VF-XF $15.00
        WCE-1b Rolled on 1888 dime XF $23.00
        WCE-3b Rolled on 1893 dime XF $23.00
{These are all from the 1893 World's Columbian Exposition and are thus
the first known elongates.  All have the text "Columbian/Exposition/1893"
with a few stars, each has slight type, location and number of stars
variations.  The third coin is priced too high with the others are
priced on the high end, but still within the range I'd suggest.)

pg.4     1901 Pan American Expo - Buffalo, NY
       Elongated Cents
        PAE-14 Temple of Music XF $6.50
        PAE-18 Masonic Emblem XF $12.50
{Both prices are reasonable}

pg.4     1904 St Louis World's Fair - elongated nickel ? SLWF-23 Hall's of
    Chicago/Louisiana Purchase Memorial on Rev.
    A rarity 7 item Nice XF $65.00

{Can't really comment as to the specific price as any item above rarirty
4 is definetly out of my budget, so I have little experience with them.
Double Sided oldies are fairly rare, and this is a beautiful coin for WF
collectors.  Rarity 7 is the highest rarity given by M-D and is listed
simply as "over 50.00".  If you can afford it and want it, go fo it}

pg.5     1933-1934 Century of Progress - Chicago World's Fair
      Elongated Cents
        CPIE-31 Indian Village AU+ $6.75
        CPIE-97b Sky Ride XF $4.25

{I'd say these are both reasonable prices}

pg.5     1982 Knoxville, TN World's Fair - Elongated Cents - Bldg and
    fountain or sphere in flames $1.00 each. Or both for $1.50.

{Good price.  You're unlikely to find 'em cheaper then both for $1.50}

pg. 21    Elongated Cents
        1911 Albany, NY Capital destroyed by fire NY-ALB-1 XF 8.00
        1913 Put In Bay, OH Perry Victory Centennial O-PIB-1 XF $15.00
        Niagara Falls, NY NY-NF-5 Falls view on 1910 Cent AU $6.50

{NY-ALB-1 is reasonable, O-PIB-1 is excellent..this is a rarity 5 coin
($20-$35), NY-NF-5 is a good price}

pg. 26     Misc. Tokens and Medlas USA
        1939 New Yorf World's Fair - Elongated Cent NYWF-16 Nice
        VF+ $3.00
{Excellent price!  This is a rarity 4 coin ($12-$20)}

    Also, on pg. 21 is the following listing:

        Stretched nickel 1938-D Buffalo - These were pressed
between fiber material at high pressure normal size 21mm this one 25mm.
Unusual coin XF $6.50

    This listing really intrigues me, but I can't afford it at the
moment.  If it interests you as well, and find you don't like it upon
receipt I will gladly purchase it from you at that time.

    ORDER INFO:  Call Norman Peters at [phone] between noon
and 10:00pm (NY time) MON-SAT only.  If you want any of these items I
recommend you call NOW (assuming you're reading this during his hours) as
his items go FAST.

    He'll surely ask you where you got his list as he typically
remembers everyon he sent one to.  Feel free to tell him that you heard
about these items from me.  Keep the page info handy as well to make
ordering easier.  The descriptions above are quoted verbatim (+ or - a
few typos) from the catalog.  This is list 114.  Oh yeah, postage is $1.50.

    Norman has an excellent reputation in the exonumia field.  His
address to get his next catalog is:

    Norman G. Peters
    P.O. Box 29
    Lancaster, NY 14086

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From: "zinful" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Norman Peters List 114
Date: 26 Aug 1997 17:24:38 -0000


aahz wrote:
>
>     I just received from my wonderful mail man the latest sale list
> from Norman G. Peters.


Interesting, I just received the Norman Peters sale list today as well.  I
haven't had time to go through it yet so thanks for the info.

Gina



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From: "..." <...>
Subject: Re: (elongates) New cataloging system
Date: 26 Aug 1997 21:18:12 -0500

> An image of this coin can be seen on Kathy's Penny Page.

FYI-I do not own those pennies, but downloaded them from someone's photo
collection on the internet.

> will, this is what I'm hoping for from all of you.  Look at the system,
> bang on it, twist it, warp it, and let me know what you think.  2) I am
> hoping that those with web sites will start using this system on their
> sites.  This should help ease some of the confusion in trading/selling
> when the coins cannot be seen firsthand as well as get people used to the

> system.

I'm game to "beta test" Chris's plan. Just let us know the system and I'll
start updating the photos on The Penny Page.

As you all may know, I've got a ton of coins to add to the site! I just
started college on top of my full time job, so my time at the computer is
limited. I'll let y'all know once I update the page.

I'd like your feedback: Let me know...do you enjoy being able to view
photos of the coins? Is it worth my trouble and time?
Thanks
Kathy



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From: "..." <...>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Bulk sellers
Date: 26 Aug 1997 21:02:35 -0500

Chris Aahz wrote:

>I would like to hear your experiences (good or bad).


>     Luck 'E' Penny
>     [e-mail]
>     http://www.clark.net/pub/massey/lep_home.htm

My first purchase over the internet wasn't sure what to expect. I got a lot
of sports stuff, too, but also got a few really different coins. My order
came to me in a timely manner and I was very pleased.

>     Rocky Rockholt
>     [e-mail]
>     2678 Sumac Ridge
>     White Bear Lake, MN 55110-5646

I ordered the dinosaur set for my nephew's birthday and when Rocky was
afraid that the package would not get there in time, he called me just to
be sure. The coins arrived when promised and my nephew, Josh, was so
excited to see dinosaurs on squashed pennies!
-Kathy




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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Newspaper Update + Susie's and Hawaii
Date: 26 Aug 1997 20:26:39 -0700

Hi Everyone,

Tomorrow is the photo shoot (in San Diego's Old Town) for the newspaper
article. That means you still have a little time to get any
thoughts/stories to John Wilkens (Writer, San Diego Union).

I'll try to find out tomorrow when the article is coming out (probably 3
or 4 days from the article being submitted to the editor).

I have been updating the Smashed Coin Locator and cc'ing John on all the
new locations... I will also be alerting my friends in Austin, Texas
(where the server is located) so they know an extra 2 million readers
will be seeing the URL...

I'll post a short update tomorrow after the photo shoot.

One other note: I got my 1st two "Susies" (Susan B. Anthony $1.00 EC's)
in the mail yesterday -- very cool. They appear to have been run through
a machine designed for a penny (the design is much smaller than the coin.
Both also appear to have been painted brown on the smooth side (in both
cases Susan B.'s likeness is on the smooth side). This is a great effect.
I also recieved a dime that was painted purple and the President's image
really stands out well. Early in this list we discussed some people
painting the side of the coin opposite the design side. I know it might
be hard to imagine the effect or to image you would like the results, but
these really are nice! We also had a thread for a while where we
discussed painting coins...

I will be in Hawaii in Sept and really putting together a heavy
(literally) trade stock. I have new locations (new to me since my last
visit) and so will be gathering lots of coins. Mahalo for holding off on
any 'reservations' or trades for the Hawaii coins. I will get plenty and
let you know as soon as they are ready for trading...

That's it for now, back to the html and location keeping!

bc



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Santa Maria Coin?
Date: 26 Aug 1997 20:43:11 -0700

Hi Again,

I am trying to find any info on penny that has a Spanish Galleon, and
says Santa Maria on it. Does anyone know if this is from a machine
available in Santa Maria CA, or from an EC roller.

Thanks for any info!

Bert



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Norman Peters List 114
Date: 27 Aug 1997 01:10:29 -0700 (PDT)


On Tue, 26 Aug 1997, zinful wrote:

> Interesting, I just received the Norman Peters sale list today as well.  I
> haven't had time to go through it yet so thanks for the info.

    Well, I missed out on several VERY nice items last time, by not
calling him as soon as I got my list.  Add in net-lag and I figured for
it to be remotely worthwhile, the info needed to be posted ASAP.

        Peace,

            Aahz


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++  [e-mail]
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(Caught the only one I need)   +  SECA Co-Founder
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Non-Violent Activist           +  Elongated Coin Mail List
List page: http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm




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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) New cataloging system
Date: 27 Aug 1997 01:13:59 -0700 (PDT)


On Tue, 26 Aug 1997, ... wrote:

> I'm game to "beta test" Chris's plan. Just let us know the system and I'll
> start updating the photos on The Penny Page.

    I'll post the coplete system to the list sgortly after returning
for LA, so it should be up around the second week of September.
Janelle's post just seemed like the prime lead in for a 'tease' of sorts.

> I'd like your feedback: Let me know...do you enjoy being able to view
> photos of the coins? Is it worth my trouble and time?

    While my system can't display web page graphics I still vote a
resounding YES!!  Not only does it help with identifying coins, but it
gives a convenient way to answer the question: "What's an elongated
coin?"  I can just say, here, got the this URL.

        Peace,

            Aahz

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++  [e-mail]
Ex-Vampire Hunter-             +  TEC # 2062
(Caught the only one I need)   +  SECA Co-Founder
Creator of Butterflies         +  CM # 182
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Non-Violent Activist           +  Elongated Coin Mail List
List page: http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm




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From: David Shapiro <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Attention TEC members
Date: 27 Aug 1997 07:33:47 -0400

I'll help the websitetoo!!  I just joined TEC yesterday!!
Dave.


Bert Creighton wrote:
>
> On 8/26/97 1:56 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote
>
> >       * Increase TEC News from a quarterly publication to a bimonthly
> >publication.  Also increase page count from the current 16 pages to 20-24
> >pages.  I have already asked Anita Zell (TEC Treasurer) about this and
> >she believes that the budget can more then likely handle it. I have also
> >mentioned it to Corey Wylde (TECN Editor) and he says that he is willing
> >to do the additional work required.  A majority vote of the Board of
> >Directors is required to make this happen.  Also, the members must
> >provide the articles to fill the increased page count.
>
> <Bert here...> I want to fully support the bi-monthly editions AND
> increased page count. I suggest we propose each of these for a separate
> vote. I would rather have 16 pages bi-monthly rather than the current
> issue size and frequency, though 20 pages bi-monthly is THE best! By
> adding a new section (as we have discussed on the Elongated Mailing List)
> to transfer information and stories from electronic sources into the TEC
> News we should be able to easily move to 20 pages.
> <snip>
> >
> >       * Establish an official TEC website.  This was first mentioned in
> >the Spring 1997 issue of TECN and was supposed to be discussed/voted upon
> >at the TEC meeting in NY.  I have not heard wether or not this occured,
> >but I think it should happen.  Willy Massey (TEC President) had mentioned
> >the idea of setting up an internet committe for on-line projects.  This
> >also should be happening.  Again, the Board would have to vote to approve
> >the expenditure involved in setting up a web site.
>
> Count me in to help support the web site!
> >
> >       * Create an official TEC store card elongate with info for
> >joining TEC.
>
> Count me in to help distribute these! Wish we could get them for the
> Disneyland Sept 7th meeting!
>
> Bert Creighton
> TEC#2095

--

David Shapiro
[e-mail]
http://www.geocities.com/EnchantedForest/6340



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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) New cataloging system
Date: 27 Aug 1997 08:41:50 -0400

From Kathy:
>I'd like your feedback: Let me know...do you enjoy being able to view
>photos of the coins? Is it worth my trouble and time?

YES YES YES!  I'm trying to get my hands on a scanner right now.

I'll just pass my pictures to you -- since you're page is so cool!

- Jeff

 -----------------------------------------------------------------
Jeff Dixon                [e-mail]
Software Engineer/Memory Czar
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence      http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154



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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Norman Peters List 114
Date: 27 Aug 1997 10:45:50 -0400

>> Interesting, I just received the Norman Peters sale list today as well.  I
>> haven't had time to go through it yet so thanks for the info.
How do you get on the Norman Peter's list?

- Jeff

 -----------------------------------------------------------------
Jeff Dixon                [e-mail]
Software Engineer/Memory Czar
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence      http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) New cataloging system
Date: 27 Aug 1997 09:15:23 -0700

On 8/27/97 5:41 AM Jeff Dixon ([e-mail] ) wrote

>From Kathy:
>>I'd like your feedback: Let me know...do you enjoy being able to view
>>photos of the coins? Is it worth my trouble and time?
>
>YES YES YES!  I'm trying to get my hands on a scanner right now.
>
>I'll just pass my pictures to you -- since you're page is so cool!
>
>- Jeff

Jeff,

I'd also love to get any pictures you have and will add them to the
Locator.

THANKS

bc



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From: James Henry <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Pennies from MN Science Museum
Date: 27 Aug 1997 14:38:26 -0500

Okay, I went to the Museum today and got pennies.  Things did change
though.  Originally they had one machine with a Triceratops on it.  It
is now gone so if you have one already, you are lucky.  They now have 2
machines.  One has Iggy the Iguana on it and the other has a
Tyrannosaurus Rex on it.  Sending pennies out today to Sandra, Chris,
Jeff, Ben, Tink, and Zinful.  I may at this point have 2 sets of the
current Museum pennies to trade if anyone is interested.

Flats



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) The Deed Is Done
Date: 27 Aug 1997 14:45:14 -0700

Aloha,

I met with John Wilkens today and a SD Union Photographer (also named
John). We shot some pictures in Old Town and they borrowed 10 coins
(including my new Susie) to take back to the paper's studio for close
ups. They will probably use the close ups to sprinkle around the article.
The article will most likely come out some time next week (I'll give you
the exact date when I get it).

John Wilkens smashed a few pennies in Old Town, he just might have the
fever... though he was probably being a great dad and getting them for
his son.

We took a few pictures at the Cafe Coyote, where there is an old Eurolink
machine. There was NO magnet, so I smashed my first steelie... It had a
lot of patina on it, so the image was not real clear, but it should
polish up nicely. This old Eurolink has a board (as in a piece of lumber)
with some writing that was done with a router... This machine looks like
it was built when the West Was Won...

Thanks again to the 3 or 4 people that wrote emails to John! He didn't
say who you are, but I DO appreciate your help! You can still talk to (or
write John) at:

John Wilkens
Feature Writer
The San Diego Union-Tribune

Voice:    619-293-2236
Fax:      [phone]
Email:    [e-mail]

He'd love to hear any stories you would like to share (trips made to
collect coins, people you've met due to coins, etc...).

That's it for now...

bc



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Winchester Pennies
Date: 27 Aug 1997 20:39:18 -0400 (EDT)

I went to the Winchester House yet again today and lordy! the durn gift shop
machine was working...sort of.
     I stuck my copper in and I got back a zinc! so I stuck another copper in
and got nothing back! So naturally I did the illogical thing, I just kept
sticking more money in and got back, out of 6 coppers in I got back 5 coppers
and 2 zincs. (note the net gain there) Apparently, the coins get stuck in the
drop chute and will get bumped if you wait long enough. I went out to the
firearm museum and blew 51 cents to verify that the machine is still out of
adjustment. While I was heading back in to the gift shop, there was a little
girl, about 6, pressing a coin in the gift shop machine. A stopped to watch
as she got nothing out of the chute. She waited patiently for a minute then
burst into tears when she realized that the machine robbed her. Sensing the
loss of a future collector, I gave her one of my zincs (I might be a 51 cent
philantropist, but she aint gonna get my coppers)
     To clear up the Winchester confusion:
Gift shop coin - Winchester house with a rifle.
Firearm Museum - Rifle with Gun That Won The West
Products museum - bicycle and flashlite.

Minnesota Janelle is missing the Firearm Museum-badly out of adjustment coin.

In a message dated 8/27/97 6:32:35 AM China Daylight Time, you write:

<< Well, as usual I am a little confused.  Got the Winchester penny (Thanks
 Mickey) but it is one I have.  Looking at Bert's list so am confused on
 which I am missing.  Have the one with the bicycle and one that says
 Winchester Mystery House San Jose, California with rifle but doesn't say
 anything about the Gun That Won the West.  So am I missing the first or
 second one on Bert's list?  If we figure out which, who can pick it up
 for me?  Mickey, will send yours back.  Thanks.  And please, ALL, keep
 looking for those Minnesota Fair pennies and any others from Minnesota
 like the Minnehaha Falls one in Yesterday Elongateds or the capital one
 also.  Thanks.

 Janelle (MN Flats) >>




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From: Matthew Birchard <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) URL's, anyone?
Date: 27 Aug 1997 22:43:20 -0700 (PDT)

Hey,
    I've deleted all the messages with the Location Keeper URL's and
such.  So, can anyone (Chris) post them for me?  My web browser is not
working tonight (no big surprise), but I got e-mail from a guy that is
really interested in learning more about elongates in general, and I'd
like to point him in the direction of the various pages.  Thanks.

A quick response would be wonderful.  I'm timing you :-)  It is 10:41pm
Pacific Time by my watch.  Ready, set, GO!

Matt Birchard
TEC# 1848
Portland, Oregon
USA

e-mail:  [e-mail]



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Norman Peters List 114
Date: 27 Aug 1997 23:04:03 -0700 (PDT)


On Wed, 27 Aug 1997, Jeff Dixon wrote:

> >> Interesting, I just received the Norman Peters sale list today as well.  I
> >> haven't had time to go through it yet so thanks for the info.
> How do you get on the Norman Peter's list?

    I found Norman thru an ad in TEC News.  To get a sample list
contact him at:

Norman G. Peters
P.O. Box 29
Lancaster, NY 14086



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) URL's, anyone?
Date: 27 Aug 1997 23:27:56 -0700 (PDT)


On Wed, 27 Aug 1997, Matthew Birchard wrote:

> Hey,
>     I've deleted all the messages with the Location Keeper URL's and
> such.  So, can anyone (Chris) post them for me?  My web browser is not

    Hmmm...where's Bert this evening?  The only one I know by heart
is Kathy's Penny Page.  But she has links to Bert's et al.

http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage

> A quick response would be wonderful.  I'm timing you :-)  It is 10:41pm
> Pacific Time by my watch.  Ready, set, GO!

11:29 Pacific Time-    Sorry for the delay, I thought Bert would jump in.

    Peace,

            Aahz


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++  [e-mail]
Ex-Vampire Hunter-             +  TEC # 2062
(Caught the only one I need)   +  SECA Co-Founder
Creator of Butterflies         +  CM # 182
Slave to Lady Nikki    ^^*^^   +  List-Owner:
Non-Violent Activist           +  Elongated Coin Mail List
List page: http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm




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From: Matthew Birchard <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) URL's, anyone?
Date: 27 Aug 1997 23:39:24 -0700 (PDT)

Thanks!
    11:29 is not bad.  Quite good actually, given the factoring in of
about 5 minutes lag time in the typing and posting and such of the list.
Thanks greatly for the info.  BTW, this list is much faster than my
videogame list, if anyone cares.  Oh, and BTW (again), the guy that was
interested in elongates is from my classic-videogame listserv, I educated
the whole lot of them when the topic of other collecting hobbies and how
they compare to classic videogaming came up.  One guy commented that all
elongates were faked and the gears were not real, the machines merely
spit out premade tokens.  Well, several messages later, I had set
everyone straight.

Matt Birchard
TEC# 1848
Portland, Oregon
USA

e-mail:  [e-mail]



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From: Slave to Lady Nikki <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Attention TEC members (fwd)
Date: 28 Aug 1997 00:41:49 -0600 (MDT)



---------- Forwarded message ----------

      * Increase TEC News from a quarterly publication to a bimonthly
> >publication.  Also increase page count from the current 16 pages to 20-24
> >pages.
>

Do you really feel that there is enough material to DOUBLE the current TECN
page count. Two things spur this thought. First, every issue contains pleas
from Corey & Lee Martin and others for more submissions. I know this shortage
of material is nothing new. Secondly, that which is in the issue isn't all
that meaty. There are perhaps 4 good size articles, with other musings spread
throughout. I don't find it a particularly hearty read at 16 pages/quarter;
will it really be that different once this figure is effectively doubled?


> <Bert here...> By
> adding a new section (as we have discussed on the Elongated Mailing List)
> to transfer information and stories from electronic sources into the TEC
> News we should be able to easily move to 20 pages.
> <snip>


Does anyone else recall the conversation here about a month back regarding
the disintegration of TECN in its printed format for an electronic one? Cries
of "tree killers" were raised in support of posting TECN on the Web or to a
subscription  list. NOW there's a proposal to take all of our electronic
stuff and print it out on paper?

I think what this comes down to is trying to
reconcile two disparate ways of spreading information. I think a good start
would be to have the regular 'net column' in TECN to get people assimilated
with the Internet, the locators' sites, etc. Then perhaps as the membership
on-line folks grows, this column can expand, perhaps even moving into the
cybersphere, where, like Bert suggested, snippets can be taken and printed
in the next issue's column to encourage more participation. Then we'd be able
to gauge how useful a fully e- version of TECN could be. I don't see this
being an overnight phenomenon, nor do I see the net column encompassing the
extra 60 pages a year that is being proposed.

I do believe a concise, well written, informative 16 page quarterly will be
more beneficial than increasing the current, soft content to 20+ pages on a
more frequent basis. What we need is better content, not more pages. A net
column is a start, but it alone won't carry us.

Pete




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From: Slave to Lady Nikki <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) URL's, anyone?
Date: 28 Aug 1997 00:48:52 -0600 (MDT)

On Wed, 27 Aug 1997, Matthew Birchard wrote:

> Thanks greatly for the info.  BTW, this list is much faster than my
> videogame list, if anyone cares.
    And I have a probable explanation if anyone cares.  As of this
moment there are 46 people subscribed to this list and Matt is somewhere
in the 20s on the list.  Check the member list on your vid game list and
you will likely find that you are much further down on the list.

    OR.....it could just be that the 'net likes elongates better then
classic video games ;)

> Oh, and BTW (again), the guy that was
> interested in elongates is from my classic-videogame listserv, I educated
> the whole lot of them when the topic of other collecting hobbies and how
> they compare to classic videogaming came up.

    Huzzah!

> One guy commented that all
> elongates were faked and the gears were not real, the machines merely
> spit out premade tokens.  Well, several messages later, I had set
> everyone straight.

    Several people have tried to convince me of the tokoen idea.  With
a little research I dscovered that there were (and possibly still are), in
fact machines that did this very thing.  I received a photograph of a
machine that gives every impression of being a rolling machine with the
Lord's Prayer as the design.  In order to operate the machine you had to
put in a dime AND a penny.  In fact, what you fot out was a simulated
elongate (aka a token designed to look like an elongate).  I received one
of these tokens along with the photo.  The simplest way to set these
people straight is to invite them to head to the nearest location with a
modern press and see for themselves.

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~Ex-Vampire Hunter (Got caught by the only one I need)
~~~~Creator of Butterflies, Slave to Lady Nikki
~~~~~List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List
~~~~~~"My name is Aahz and I'm a Tinkaholic"  "Hello Aahz!"




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From: Matthew Birchard <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Attention TEC members (fwd)
Date: 27 Aug 1997 23:55:55 -0700 (PDT)



On Thu, 28 Aug 1997, Slave to Lady Nikki wrote:

>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 97 09:52:00 PDT
> From: Pete Morelewicz <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: (elongates) Attention TEC members
>
>       * Increase TEC News from a quarterly publication to a bimonthly
> > >publication.  Also increase page count from the current 16 pages to 20-24
> > >pages.
> >
>
> Do you really feel that there is enough material to DOUBLE the current TECN
> page count. Two things spur this thought. First, every issue contains pleas
> from Corey & Lee Martin and others for more submissions. I know this shortage
> of material is nothing new. Secondly, that which is in the issue isn't all
> that meaty. There are perhaps 4 good size articles, with other musings spread
> throughout. I don't find it a particularly hearty read at 16 pages/quarter;
> will it really be that different once this figure is effectively doubled?
>
>
No, I don't think it could be doubled, at least not with the current
number of contributing members that write articles.  More comments on
that further in this message...

> I think what this comes down to is trying to
> reconcile two disparate ways of spreading information. I think a good start
> would be to have the regular 'net column' in TECN to get people assimilated
> with the Internet, the locators' sites, etc. Then perhaps as the membership
> on-line folks grows, this column can expand, perhaps even moving into the
> cybersphere, where, like Bert suggested, snippets can be taken and printed
> in the next issue's column to encourage more participation. Then we'd be able
> to gauge how useful a fully e- version of TECN could be. I don't see this
> being an overnight phenomenon, nor do I see the net column encompassing the
> extra 60 pages a year that is being proposed.
>
> I do believe a concise, well written, informative 16 page quarterly will be
> more beneficial than increasing the current, soft content to 20+ pages on a
> more frequent basis. What we need is better content, not more pages. A net
> column is a start, but it alone won't carry us.
>
I agree entirely.  I've been meaning to post concerning this, but I just
didn't get around to it.  I've been a member of TEC for several years
now, and the real problem is a lack of material.  I highly doubt that
anything more than a net column would work at this time.  Increasing
circulation to a quarterly newsletter would be nice, but if it is then
going to consist of only 10 pages, why bother?  I don't mean to stiffle
anyone's hopes, but I think it would be best to buckle down and write
some articles first.  If Corey finds that he is lacking space to publish
articles, then the move to bigger and more frequent can be made.  But
currently, it always seems that there is trouble simply maintaining what
we have.  It seems to me that we are jumping the gun on this whole
issue.  And sorry for including so much previous text in my reply, it is
just put so nicely, that I couldn't have said it better myself.

Matt Birchard
TEC# 1848
Portland, Oregon
USA

e-mail:  [e-mail]



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From: Matthew Birchard <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) URL's, anyone?
Date: 28 Aug 1997 00:05:27 -0700 (PDT)



On Thu, 28 Aug 1997, Slave to Lady Nikki wrote:

> On Wed, 27 Aug 1997, Matthew Birchard wrote:
>
> > Thanks greatly for the info.  BTW, this list is much faster than my
> > videogame list, if anyone cares.
>     And I have a probable explanation if anyone cares.  As of this
> moment there are 46 people subscribed to this list and Matt is somewhere
> in the 20s on the list.  Check the member list on your vid game list and
> you will likely find that you are much further down on the list.

The videogame listserv has over a hundred subscribers.  I'm a ways down
on the list.  I used to be higher up on this list, but I unsubsrcibed
during the mail bomb, and I lost my higher slot.  Oh well.  However, on
the videogame listserv I'm listed as the third most prolific subscriber,
136 messages to my credit.  Top guy has 251 or something.  Anyway, I
digress...

>
>     OR.....it could just be that the 'net likes elongates better then
> classic video games ;)
>
Hmm, I won't make a call on that one way or the other.  Seems the 'net
has many more resources for videogames though.

> > One guy commented that all
> > elongates were faked and the gears were not real, the machines merely
> > spit out premade tokens.  Well, several messages later, I had set
> > everyone straight.
>
>     Several people have tried to convince me of the tokoen idea.  With
> a little research I dscovered that there were (and possibly still are), in
> fact machines that did this very thing.  I received a photograph of a
> machine that gives every impression of being a rolling machine with the
> Lord's Prayer as the design.  In order to operate the machine you had to
> put in a dime AND a penny.  In fact, what you fot out was a simulated
> elongate (aka a token designed to look like an elongate).  I received one
> of these tokens along with the photo.  The simplest way to set these
> people straight is to invite them to head to the nearest location with a
> modern press and see for themselves.
>
Yep, I know of these machines, exposed them for all to know about.  I
guess I read about them in Rosato's book, maybe somewhere else.  Nope,
probably the Encyclopedia come to think of it.

Matt Birchard
TEC# 1848
Portland, Oregon
USA

e-mail:  [e-mail]



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Attention TEC members (fwd)
Date: 28 Aug 1997 00:15:44 -0700 (PDT)


On Thu, 28 Aug 1997, Pete wrote:

> Do you really feel that there is enough material to DOUBLE the current TECN
> page count.

    In a word, no.  However, read on....

> Two things spur this thought. First, every issue contains pleas
> from Corey & Lee Martin and others for more submissions. I know this shortage
> of material is nothing new.

    And I repeated that plea in my call for more pages.  However, as
was mentioned here previously, COrey had more articles then he could
print for the last issue.  He is only permitted a certain budget for each
issue of TECN.  This budget issue needs to be addressed so that more
pages can be printed when the articles are present.

    I, for one, have several articles partially complete for the
submission to TECN.  I tend to procrastinate and always send them off at
the last minute.  If each person that contibutes regularly to this list
were to submit two articles to TECN each year we could fill the extra pages.

> Secondly, that which is in the issue isn't all
> that meaty. There are perhaps 4 good size articles, with other musings spread
> throughout. I don't find it a particularly hearty read at 16 pages/quarter;
> will it really be that different once this figure is effectively doubled?
>

    I agree that many of th4e articles this past year have been very
lite.  Will increasing page count cure this?  Obviously not, submitting
articles will.  When I was working on my last article for TEC I was
concerned wether or not it was appropriate for TEC because of the nature
of articles I had seen there in the past.  The point is that people are
more likely to submit 'meaty' articles after they have read meatier
articles.  What would *I* do with the extra pages?

    1-2 pages for 'Net News
    1-2 pages for a 'letters' or 'feedback' page to allow/encourage
people to comment on TEC happenings, policies, etc.
    1-2 pages highlighting a roller/dealer/machine company/collector


>
> Does anyone else recall the conversation here about a month back regarding
> the disintegration of TECN in its printed format for an electronic one? Cries
> of "tree killers" were raised in support of posting TECN on the Web or to a
> subscription  list. NOW there's a proposal to take all of our electronic
> stuff and print it out on paper?

    I recall this conversation going a little bit differently.  One
person posted about the trees and received little, if any, response to
that point.  The general point of the thread (again, as I recall) was
that it would be nice to have TECN available on the web site.  I, for
one, never want to replace the paper TECN with an electronic version.

    The net column is intended not to repeat what is discussed on
this list, but rather to announce new developments regarding elongates on
the 'net.  I would like to see it aimed primarily at people who are
either semi-net aware or not into elongates enough to find the net stufff
on their own.  (Does that sentence make any sense?)

> I do believe a concise, well written, informative 16 page quarterly will be
> more beneficial than increasing the current, soft content to 20+ pages on a
> more frequent basis. What we need is better content, not more pages. A net
> column is a start, but it alone won't carry us.

    I think we need both.  Look at it this way:  If we've got 20
pages of stuff, 6 times a year, then everything already there (which many
people enjoy) will STILL be there, but the meatier stuff can be there as
well.

        Peace,

            Aahz


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From: Pete Morelewicz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) a sign off
Date: 28 Aug 1997 08:18:00 PDT

I will be signing off of the List until Sept. 9th. If you need to reach
me, I will be in town sporadically until the 3rd, then gone until the 9th.

[So if some weird message from me appears on the List that only says
"uns*bscribe" it's me trying to delete myself.]

See you soon,
Pete,
SPM



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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) The Deed Is Done
Date: 28 Aug 1997 08:30:48 -0400

I sent in some stuff to John Wilkens.

- Jeff
>I met with John Wilkens today...

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Jeff Dixon                [e-mail]
Software Engineer/Memory Czar
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence      http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154



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From: Jeff Dixon <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) This weekend!!!!
Date: 28 Aug 1997 08:34:10 -0400


WOO HOO!  West coast bound again!  I can't wait to fly!

Anyways, I would like to hook up with anybody in the San Fran area - and
we're probably going to do a run to Santa Cruz on Sunday.
I'd like to find out if the Winchester Museum is open on Sundays - and
directions (please).

Anybody that wants to join us, that's perfectly fine with us.  I've packed
almost my entire collection - and all my trading stock.

So, what do people think?  I leave at 5:00PM EST from e-mail.  So, if you
want to make more plans - maybe Chris could help coordinate stuff
on that side.

We look forward to seeing/trading with whoever has time!

- Jeff

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Jeff Dixon                [e-mail]
Software Engineer/Memory Czar
Kurzweil Applied Intelligence      http://www.kurzweil.com
411 Waverley Oaks Road
Waltham, MA 02154



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Winchester House Info
Date: 28 Aug 1997 10:47:16 -0400 (EDT)

For all of you who are interested...

 <A HREF="http://www.netview.com/svg/tourist/winchest/">Winchester Mystery Hou
se </A>

Everything you need to know....except, of course, the status of their
machines.

SheryL



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Norman Peters List 114
Date: 28 Aug 1997 11:10:27 -0400 (EDT)

   what is the Norman Peters sales list , and how do I obtain copies of these
lists?

   Thank you   E.  Smith



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) This weekend!!!!
Date: 28 Aug 1997 10:23:36 -0700 (PDT)


On Thu, 28 Aug 1997, Jeff Dixon wrote:

> Anyways, I would like to hook up with anybody in the San Fran area - and
> we're probably going to do a run to Santa Cruz on Sunday.
> I'd like to find out if the Winchester Museum is open on Sundays - and
> directions (please).

    WMH is open 7 days a week.  Directions:

    101 south to 880 south.  Exit at Stevens Creek.  Go past the mall
and take a left turn on Winchester.  WMH is on your right a couple blocks
up.

            OR

    280 south.  Exit Winchester.  Take a left off the ramp and then the
first left is Winchester.  WMH is on your left about 100 yards up.

> Anybody that wants to join us, that's perfectly fine with us.  I've packed
> almost my entire collection - and all my trading stock.

    Jeff give my voice mail a call [phone]x5190 when you get
settled and we'll schedule some time to meet.  Or you can try to reach me
at home at [phone].

    Mickey if you're free this weekend feel free to use the above
numbers or e-mail to try to hook up as well.

> So, what do people think?  I leave at 5:00PM EST from e-mail.  So, if you
> want to make more plans - maybe Chris could help coordinate stuff
> on that side.

    Noi prob.  My contact numbers are above.

> We look forward to seeing/trading with whoever has time!

    As do I!
<looking around VERY messy house>

    Um...I gotta go...er...do some things...yeah... ttyl

        Peace,

            Aahz


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>



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) The Deed Is Done
Date: 28 Aug 1997 11:34:10 -0700

On 8/28/97 5:30 AM Jeff Dixon ([e-mail] ) wrote

>I sent in some stuff to John Wilkens.
>
>- Jeff
>>I met with John Wilkens today...

Coool! Thats so much!

Bert



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From: James Henry <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Disneyland pennies
Date: 28 Aug 1997 13:50:10 -0500

I got a set today and they are wonderful!!!

I did notice in another set of the 7 dwarfs though that I had 2 Sneezy
and no Sleepy.  Could someone make me a Sleepy and I will trade the
extra Sneezy for him.  Mine is on a pre82 and would like the same.
THANK YOU!!!

Flats

Also noticed I had 3 extra and then looked at the list and saw they had
been added since the last time I looked at it.  Thought there I had a
find for awhile.

Did find out though that I have 2 discontinued ones.



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Norman Peters List 114
Date: 28 Aug 1997 16:25:42 -0400 (EDT)


Wow!

Where did you find the prices?  Sorry, I don't have any books, but, would
love a suggestion of a good one.

Thanks,

Bob Hoff
TEC #2033



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyland pennies
Date: 28 Aug 1997 15:53:35 -0700 (PDT)


On Thu, 28 Aug 1997, James Henry wrote:

> Did find out though that I have 2 discontinued ones.

    Oh, oh.  Do tell.  Which ones?


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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) URL's, anyone?
Date: 28 Aug 1997 15:54:37 -0700

On 8/27/97 10:43 PM Matthew Birchard ([e-mail] ) wrote

>Hey,
>    I've deleted all the messages with the Location Keeper URL's and
>such.  So, can anyone (Chris) post them for me?  My web browser is not
>working tonight (no big surprise), but I got e-mail from a guy that is
>really interested in learning more about elongates in general, and I'd
>like to point him in the direction of the various pages.  Thanks.

Hi Matt,

The main URL for the Smashed Coin Locator is:

http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/SmashedCoins.html

From there, you will find Kathy's pages, Willy's, etc.

bc



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Norman Peters List 114
Date: 28 Aug 1997 16:00:48 -0700 (PDT)


On Thu, 28 Aug 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> Where did you find the prices?  Sorry, I don't have any books, but, would
> love a suggestion of a good one.

    I assume you mean my price ranges and the rarity prices.  The
rarity levels and their value are from 'Yesterday's Elongateds' By Lee
Martin and Dottie Dow.  This is THE book for oldies collectors and covers
(with illustrations) about 95% of elongates issued from 1893-1965.  The
book was published in 1981, but is still in use not only for rarity but
also pricing by every dealer I've bought elongates from.  I use this as a
starting point and then factor in what I've seen around.

    You can probably still pick up a copy of Yesterday's Elongateds
from Angros Enterprises
     70 Grove St.
     New Milford, CT 06776

    Tell him you saw his ad in the last issue of TEC News.  He was
asking $26.50 + $3.50 shipping.  An excellent price for this book!  "One
to a customer and only for those who do not have a copy."

        Peace,

            Aahz

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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Disneyland Invite
Date: 28 Aug 1997 16:14:59 -0700

Disneyland is getting closer. Here's the info again for anyone still
thinking about attending. Please RSVP to me for Breakfast and/or Lunch so
we have a count of how many will be coming. Tell your friends...

bc
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-=-=-=-=-=-=-                       -=-=-=-=-=-=-
-=-=-=-=-=-=- JOIN US AT DISNEYLAND -=-=-=-=-=-=-
-=-=-=-=-=-=-                       -=-=-=-=-=-=-


The 1st Ever Elongates Mailing List Meeting

Trading * Smashing * Story Telling * Rides * Food * Fun

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=


8:45am - 9:00am  - Belisle's Restaurant (Introductions and Breakfast).
12001 Harbor Blvd, Garden Grove, CA. A short drive from
Disneyland, it's on a corner, parking on the side.
Belisle's ((BELL EYE-EL's)) was established in 1955, same
year as Disneyland (July 17th). Back then the whole area was
orange groves... The food is great and the portions
are HUGE! Maybe they'll make us some special elongated
pancakes!  8-)

~10:00am - Enter Disneyland.
We will meet at the left most turn style (as you face
the park). First stop will be the Train Station (be sure
to bring a pre-82 for this older machine).

10:00am - 1:00pm -  Collect Disneyland coins.
Smashing (rolling, elongating...) at Penny Arcade, and
all the other locations. Bring any special coins such as
pre-82 pennies, silver quarters, Steelies, etc.

1:00pm - 1:15pm - Head to Disneyland Hotel (Lunch and Trading)
We will meet in the lobby of the Disneyland Hotel, then select a place
for lunch, and a trade session. If you don't want to come to Disneyland,
you can come to the lunch and trade session, just park at the Disneyland
Hotel (this is the original Hotel, not the Disneyland Pacific next door).
For those of us coming from the park, we can get our trading stock out of
the park lockers and take the monorail to the Hotel. We will leave word
with the Disneyland Hotel Front Desk where we will be for lunch and our
trading session.

~2:15 Return to park for more coins, rides, fun...

~6:00 Rendezvous at the end of Main Street, in the circle by the statues
of Walt and Mickey.
Some of us will go to dinner from here, others may want to head out...

We are not trying to overly structure the day, just offer everyone
several times/places to join up with the group.

I'd like to get a count for Belisle's so we can have tables ready. Please
let me know if you are coming to the park at 10am (so we can wait for
everyone) or at a latter time (Lunch/Trading, or dinner). We look forward
to seeing you there!




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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) They shoot horses don't they?
Date: 28 Aug 1997 16:52:47 -0700 (PDT)


    This post is 99% off-topic, so I apologize to any I offend with
it, but there are bits that apply to several members, so I decided it was
easier to send it to the list then the individuals.

    Well, The Beast is near death.  My engine seized up yesterday
evening and all the mechanics I've talked to say the only thing to do is
replace the engine.  This is going to cost me over $2000 and take several
days and I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to accomplish this before
the DL trip as the check I gave the tow driver to get me off th road is
probably already destined to bounce 8-(

    However, I WILL be making it to LA next weekend.  I don't know
how and I'm not sure when, but I WILL be there, period.  If I'm not
driving, I obviously won't be picking up coins on the way down or the way
back.  Those who sent money in anticipation will receive refunds and
sincere apologies.  I will be at Disneyland, so those will be purchased.
I will probably still make Knott's so those are pretty likely as well.

    Just thought I'd share my misery with y'all and let you know
what's happening here.

    Anyone wanna loan me $2000?
;)

        Peace,

            Aahz


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) They shoot horses don't they?
Date: 29 Aug 1997 01:36:11 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 8/29/97 11:14:46 AM China Daylight Time, you write:

<<     Anyone wanna loan me $2000?
 ;)

         Peace,

             Aahz >>

Are you nuts? That's the same as 4000 pennies!
:)
Mickey M



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From: Matthew Birchard <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) They shoot horses don't they?
Date: 28 Aug 1997 22:43:23 -0700 (PDT)



On Fri, 29 Aug 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> In a message dated 8/29/97 11:14:46 AM China Daylight Time, you write:
>
> <<     Anyone wanna loan me $2000?
>  ;)
>
>          Peace,
>
>              Aahz >>
>
> Are you nuts? That's the same as 4000 pennies!

But only if you buy them from a commercial vending unit.  Think of how
many grab bags $2K would buy.  Hmm, say $20 ppd. per 100 coins, divided
into $2000, (quick number crunching with the calculator) works out to
<drum roll please> 10,000 coins, yes TEN THOUSAND!  Try a bank for the
loan, I don't think anyone here could part with the equivalent of 10,000
elongates.  If you only paid $15 per hundred you could get 13,334 coins.
Neat.

Matt Birchard
TEC# 1848
Portland, Oregon
USA

e-mail:  [e-mail]



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From: "tink!!!" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) They shoot horses don't they?
Date: 28 Aug 1997 22:46:38 -0700

> <<      Anyone wanna loan me $2000?
>  ;)
>
>                 Peace,
>
>                         Aahz >>
>
> Are you nuts? That's the same as 4000 pennies!
> :)
> Mickey M

i told ya this guy had something against me...



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) They shoot horses don't they?
Date: 28 Aug 1997 22:45:36 -0700 (PDT)


On Fri, 29 Aug 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> In a message dated 8/29/97 11:14:46 AM China Daylight Time, you write:
>
> <<     Anyone wanna loan me $2000?
>  ;)
>
>          Peace,
>
>              Aahz >>
>
> Are you nuts? That's the same as 4000 pennies!
> :)
> Mickey M

    Okay, anyone wanna loan me 4000 elongates? ;)  Actually, my
Grandma came thru with the cash about an hour ago.  Now all I need is a
speedy mechanic.....

        Peace,

            Aahz


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (elongates) Old Sacramento Elongates
Date: 29 Aug 1997 02:16:43 -0400 (EDT)

Attn: listkeepers:
I went to Old Sacramento today and shazam! Elongates!
FYI, Old Sacramento is a lirttle tourist place on the Sacramento River. It is
the home of the California State Railroad Museum. It is also the beginning
(or the end) of the short-lived but famous Pony Express route.
It is also the location where the transcontinental Railroad (Western
Pacific-Eastbound) began construction.

Location: Old Sacramento Candy Barrel, 2nd street
Eurolink three coin machine.
1. TEXT:Old Sacramento along the bottom.
Unusual design shows a miner panning for gold in a stream under a tree. The
design has no border and the design just runs off of the edge of the coin
because of the alignment of the die.
2. TEXT: CP Huntington (the name of a locomotive at the nearby Railroad
Museum and also one of the financeers of the Transcontinental Railroad) in an
old english font above the design is of a 1860s locomotive. 1863 in the same
font below. Border is an ornate design.
3. TEXT: PONY EXPRESS (above), 1860 (left), 1861 (right) Old Sacramento
(below) Horizontal
The die in this machine is cut upside-down (relative to the majority of
machines) because the hook appears on the right side of the coin.
The coin features a pont express rider on a horse at a gallop. The border is
of a rope design.
     No apparent signatures on any of the coins.
     Altogether a very unique machine.

Machine location: Quail's Nest on K St., Old Sacramento
SF Penny Machine Co.
Magnet: Yes
Standard dot border, no signature.
Design is of a starboard quarter view of a steamboat.
TEXT: OLD SACRAMENTO CALIFORNIA in a scroll border.

Machine Location: Smugglers' Corner at the corner of Front and K St. Old
Sacramento, CA.
Standard dot border, no apparent signature
Magnet: yes
TEXT: OLD TOWN (above), SACRAMENTO (below)
Design: Capitol dome on top, a row of old store fronts and a locomotive
travelling right to left with a smoke plume emitting from her stack.
(note that the Capitol isn't actually in Old Sacramento)



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Old Sacramento Elongates
Date: 28 Aug 1997 23:20:45 -0700 (PDT)


On Fri, 29 Aug 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> Attn: listkeepers:
> I went to Old Sacramento today and shazam! Elongates!
> FYI, Old Sacramento is a lirttle tourist place on the Sacramento River. It is
> the home of the California State Railroad Museum. It is also the beginning
> (or the end) of the short-lived but famous Pony Express route.
> It is also the location where the transcontinental Railroad (Western
> Pacific-Eastbound) began construction.
>
> Location: Old Sacramento Candy Barrel, 2nd street
> Eurolink three coin machine.

    This ones new!  I was there a couple months back and found the
other two, but this was not there then.  I hope you a) got some extras,
and b) will be able to hook up with Jeff and I this weekend so I may
relieve you of same 8-)

        Peace,

            Aahz


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>



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From: "Wayne D. Michael" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyland Invite
Date: 29 Aug 1997 08:47:26 -0700


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I wish I could meet up with you guys, but my wife has made other plans for
me ;-)  this holiday weekend.

Regarding the monorail:

You may want to take the parking lot tram to the hotel, instead of the
monorail. As recently as last Friday (8/22), half of the monorail track is
shut down for repairs, so they are running two trains back and forth on the
half of the track that is open. The bottom line is that when I got in line
for the Monorail on Friday night, I had to wait 30+ minutes for the next
train. Hopefully they will have this fixed for the busy weekend...




--
Wayne Michael                          Boeing North American
[e-mail]             3370 Miraloma Ave.
[phone]    FAX [phone]         Anaheim, CA
M.C. DC28  Dept. 266                                92803



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I wish I could meet up with you guys, but my wife has made other
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<P>You may want to take the parking lot tram to the hotel, instead of the
monorail. As recently as last Friday (8/22), half of the monorail track
is shut down for repairs, so they are running two trains back and forth
on the half of the track that is open. The bottom line is that when I got
in line for the Monorail on Friday night, I had to wait 30+ minutes
for the next train. Hopefully they will have this fixed for the busy weekend...
<BR>

<P>
<PRE>--
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Norman Peters List 114
Date: 29 Aug 1997 11:50:22 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-08-28 20:25:21 EDT, you write:

>     You can probably still pick up a copy of Yesterday's Elongateds
>  from Angros Enterprises
>       70 Grove St.
>       New Milford, CT 06776
>

As always, just what I needed!  I'll give him a call.

Thank you Chris!!!

-Bob Hoff
TEC#2033



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From: Alan Kita <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyland Invite
Date: 29 Aug 1997 09:51:52 -0800

I haven't check the Disneyland newsgroups for this but since all of
Tomorrowland will be closing September 8 and reopen all at once on May
23, 1998, as the New Tomorrowland....and the reason for the unusual
Monorail waits is that a section of the track has been taken off to
allow for the contruction of an underground tunnel that will be used for
access between the current Magic Kingdom and the future California
Adventures Park.  There is only one train that runs back and forth
between Tomorrowland and the Hotel.  That's why there is a long wait.

I'd walk out of the park and catch the hotel tram which is right at the
exit (don't forget to get a handstampe)..But if you get there as the
tram is leaving and miss it, I'd walk because you will get there faster
than waiting for the same tram to return to the Maingate.

Alan Kita



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From: Ken Slavens <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Norman Peters List 114
Date: 29 Aug 1997 09:53:27 -0700 (PDT)

At 04:00 PM 8/28/97 -0700, you wrote:
>
>On Thu, 28 Aug 1997 [e-mail] wrote:
>
Can somebody forward me the telephone number for Angros Enterprises?
Thanks

Ken Slavens
TEC #2116



>> Where did you find the prices?  Sorry, I don't have any books, but, would
>> love a suggestion of a good one.
>
>    You can probably still pick up a copy of Yesterday's Elongateds
>from Angros Enterprises
>     70 Grove St.
>     New Milford, CT 06776
>
>    Tell him you saw his ad in the last issue of TEC News.  He was
>asking $26.50 + $3.50 shipping.  An excellent price for this book!  "One
>to a customer and only for those who do not have a copy."
>
>        Peace,
>
>            Aahz
>
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++  [e-mail]
>Ex-Vampire Hunter-             +  TEC # 2062
>(Caught the only one I need)   +  SECA Co-Founder
>Creator of Butterflies         +  CM # 182
>Slave to Lady Nikki    ^^*^^   +  List-Owner:
>Non-Violent Activist           +  Elongated Coin Mail List
>List page: http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm
>
>
>
Ken Slavens
[e-mail]




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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyland Invite
Date: 29 Aug 1997 10:08:18 -0700

On 8/29/97 8:47 AM Wayne D. Michael ([e-mail] ) wrote

>I wish I could meet up with you guys, but my wife has made other plans for
>me ;-)  this holiday weekend.

Wayne,

This is next weekend, not this holiday weekend. COME ON DOWN!

Bert



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyland pennies
Date: 29 Aug 1997 16:48:25 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-08-29 06:11:23 EDT, you write:

>  got a set today and they are wonderful!!!
>
>  I did notice in another set of the 7 dwarfs though that I had 2 Sneezy
>  and no Sleepy.  Could someone make me a Sleepy and I will trade the
>  extra Sneezy for him.  Mine is on a pre82 and would like the same.
>  THANK YOU!!!
>
>  Flats

Opps!  Is that the set I sent?  If so, I must have the extra you are looking
for.

Let me know and I'll go through my set to see if I sent the wrong one.  If
not, I can
still press you a Sleepy.

-Bob Hoff





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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Norman Peters List 114
Date: 29 Aug 1997 17:01:06 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 97-08-29 12:54:36 EDT, you write:

> Can somebody forward me the telephone number for Angros Enterprises?
>  Thanks
>
>  Ken Slavens
>  TEC #2116
>

HI Ken!

1-860-345-5684

-Bob Hoff
TEC#2033



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From: "Verne R. Walrafen at home" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) http://www.grasshoppernet.com/walrafen/nuggul.html
Date: 29 Aug 1997 16:25:46 -0500

Well, my first attempt at a "NUmismatic Good GUys List" is up and ready
at: http://www.grasshoppernet.com/walrafen/nuggul.html

I know that it will never be complete.

I also know that I will eventually run out of resources adding new
names to the list.  At that point I will mark it as "frozen" in time
and it can become a historical page... :-)

I tried to work a workwoman into my header busily changing the "Uy"
in "GUys" to "Al" for "GAls" but couldn't find anything but workman
characters. Guess our graphics artists aren't quite liberal enough
for that yet. The header isn't "frozen" yet so maybe I'll still find
something I can use...it is easily changed. Any input from anyone on
finding a workwoman graphic that will fit with the other graphics in
my header would certainly be appreciated.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Verne R. Walrafen, 12000 Sunset Ridge, Ozawkie, KS 66070   [phone]
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
             BS'63-CivilEngineering   MS'76-ComputerScience
 ANA-LM553  NI-LM7  MEPSI-LM1154  SNdeM-C246  USMexNA-4  CoinMaster-315
    Founder of the Revolutionary Mexican Historical Society (RevMex)
 mailto:[e-mail]   http://www.GrasshopperNet.com/walrafen
    WebMaster for the U. S. Mexican Numismatic Association (USMexNA)
mailto:[e-mail]  http://www.GrasshopperNet.com/USMexNA




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From: "zinful" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Norman Peters List 114
Date: 29 Aug 1997 16:36:45 -0000


>
> On Tue, 26 Aug 1997, gina wrote:
>
> > Interesting, I just received the Norman Peters sale list today as well.
 I
> > haven't had time to go through it yet so thanks for the info.

Aahz wrote:
>
>     Well, I missed out on several VERY nice items last time, by not
> calling him as soon as I got my list.  Add in net-lag and I figured for
> it to be remotely worthwhile, the info needed to be posted ASAP.

gina wrote:
You posted it (Normans list) so quickly Chris and I didn't really have the
time to go through it.  But since it was posted I had to get my tail in
gear. I called him up early the next day and placed an order (although
pretty small) and he had the ones I wanted in stock. :)
Gina




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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Disney Trip Tip!
Date: 29 Aug 1997 19:44:28 -0700 (PDT)

Greetings and Salutations!

    The following was liberally lifted from David Tomita's Disneyland
Coins Page (http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Shores/3599/index.html)

                               Loose change!

    Gaye Branham reminded me that there is no change booth in the Penny
   Arcade (remodel). There are change machines but unless you have crisp
   dollar bills and pennies, you'll have to go to the next door shops to
    make change. Gaye said it was a madhouse getting change on her last
    visit a couple of weeks ago that she abandoned the effort. She'll be
     bringing her own coins on her next visit and so might you when you
                             visit Disneyland.

                      From Jeffrey M. Carey (7/31/97)

      Tally of what you coinage you need to collect the current coins.

                                200 quarters
                                 73 pennies
                                 3 nickels

                               $50.88 Total.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++  [e-mail]
Ex-Vampire Hunter-             +  TEC # 2062
(Caught the only one I need)   +  SECA Co-Founder
Creator of Butterflies         +  CM # 182
Slave to Lady Nikki    ^^*^^   +  List-Owner:
Non-Violent Activist           +  Elongated Coin Mail List
List page: http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm





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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Machine for sale
Date: 29 Aug 1997 19:55:46 -0700 (PDT)

    Just found this in the newsgroups:

Message-Id:   <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups:   alt.crafts.professional
[17][More Headers]

 ELONGATED COIN MACHINE  o.k. what does it do..> take a penny and put
 in into the slot and turn the handal and the penny goes thur the machine
hit the die I LOVE YOU or THE LORDS PRAYER or THE UNICORN or MY LUCKY
PENNY or U.A.W. that is press into the penny.  then punch a hole in the
elongated penny and make a keychain,earrings,necklace,hat-pin,or just sell
the penny. have lots of extras that go with the machine too. $2,500.00

  e-mail me for more info [18][e-mail]


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++  [e-mail]
Ex-Vampire Hunter-             +  TEC # 2062
(Caught the only one I need)   +  SECA Co-Founder
Creator of Butterflies         +  CM # 182
Slave to Lady Nikki    ^^*^^   +  List-Owner:
Non-Violent Activist           +  Elongated Coin Mail List
List page: http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm





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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyland Invite
Date: 30 Aug 1997 00:54:01 -0400 (EDT)

  Hi  to all  Disneylander"s

   I will try to stop by Belisle"s for coffee and some conversation about
elongated
   pennies.

   E.   Smith



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From: Slave to Lady Nikki <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disneyland Invite
Date: 29 Aug 1997 23:04:34 -0600 (MDT)

On Sat, 30 Aug 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

>   Hi  to all  Disneylander"s
>
>    I will try to stop by Belisle"s for coffee and some conversation about
> elongated
>    pennies.
>
>    E.   Smith

    That would be great!  Of course, I can't promise much coherency
first thing in the morning (i'm more of a night owl), but then many tell
me I'm not very coherent here either ;)


~~~Ex-Vampire Hunter (Got caught by the only one I need)
~~~~Creator of Butterflies, Slave to Lady Nikki
~~~~~List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List
~~~~~~"My name is Aahz and I'm a Tinkaholic"  "Hello Aahz!"




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From: James Henry <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) ebay
Date: 30 Aug 1997 09:28:24 -0500

Did these idiots do away with the title search area?  I am trying to
look up elongate and only 2 show up and I know there are more from my
bookmarks.



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From: Slave to Lady Nikki <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) ebay
Date: 30 Aug 1997 12:10:38 -0600 (MDT)

On Sat, 30 Aug 1997, James Henry wrote:

> Did these idiots do away with the title search area?  I am trying to
> look up elongate and only 2 show up and I know there are more from my
> bookmarks.
>
>

    eBay is having some serious problems with the switch to the New
Beta system.  Auctions are not being recognized by the the listing
software.  The auctions are still there, and can be found if you go
directly too them, but they will not show up on the list of auctions.  The
Search commands check thru the list of auctions.  They are getting MAJOR
heat about this situation, so I assume they'll get it remedied soon.

    Peace,

        Aahz

~~~Ex-Vampire Hunter (Got caught by the only one I need)
~~~~Creator of Butterflies, Slave to Lady Nikki
~~~~~List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List
~~~~~~"My name is Aahz and I'm a Tinkaholic"  "Hello Aahz!"




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From: "Verne R. Walrafen at home" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/Kansas.html
Date: 30 Aug 1997 13:27:08 -0500

I was wondering if you had any more detail than shown on your page.

There are several "Oasis" on the KTA route.  Guess I'll just have
to stop at each the next trip to Wichita and see what I can find.

Maybe I can fill out some of your "Unknown"'s for you. Does Status:
Unknown mean you are taking the listing off a specimen EC rather
that from a report from an individual?  Well, that doesn't seem
reasonable since you have ?'s in the actual EC design description.

Humm... not sure what you are saying here.

Hope you got my two Topeka, Kansas machine location additions.
If not, I'll be glad to resend them. (Pictures if you want.)

I am planning on revisiting both locations now that I have an
idea of what sort of information to gather and getting more
complete data on each machine.

KANSAS SMASHED COINS
Kansas Turnpike, Oasis
Penny Machine
Location: Oasis on Kansas Turnpike.
Status: Unknown
Manufacturer: Unknown
Code 18 Sign: Unknown
1 - (?), [Sunflower, state outline with wheat] "?"

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Verne R. Walrafen, 12000 Sunset Ridge, Ozawkie, KS 66070   [phone]
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
             BS'63-CivilEngineering   MS'76-ComputerScience
 ANA-LM553  NI-LM7  MEPSI-LM1154  SNdeM-C246  USMexNA-4  CoinMaster-315
    Founder of the Revolutionary Mexican Historical Society (RevMex)
 mailto:[e-mail]   http://www.GrasshopperNet.com/walrafen
    WebMaster for the U. S. Mexican Numismatic Association (USMexNA)
mailto:[e-mail]  http://www.GrasshopperNet.com/USMexNA




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From: tony dinto <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Elongate  shipping
Date: 30 Aug 1997 18:22:21 +0000

Hi,
 If there has been any delay sending your coins to you,
please forgive me, Been a little under the weather.
If you are waiting for coins from me, you should get them the week of
8/31.
 Will have some more to list in the near future, but at this time I have
to give it a break.
Thanks for your time.
Tony Dinto



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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Elongate  shipping
Date: 30 Aug 1997 21:32:03 -0400

tony dinto wrote:
>
> Hi,
>  If there has been any delay sending your coins to you,
> please forgive me, Been a little under the weather.
> If you are waiting for coins from me, you should get them the week of
> 8/31.
>  Will have some more to list in the near future, but at this time I have
> to give it a break.
> Thanks for your time.
> Tony Dinto

No sweat Tony.

Ben



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From: James Henry <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Old Sacramento pennies
Date: 30 Aug 1997 20:42:54 -0500

Being out here in cold Minnesota, I long for pennies from California.
They keep me warm inside on those cold winter nights (about 90% of the
year here).  So....who would like to trade for 4 of the ones I don't
have.  I need the 3 Eurolink ones from the Old Sacramento Candy Barrel
and the one from Smuggler's Corner.  Would like on pre82s.

Flats



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From: James Henry <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) [e-mail]
Date: 30 Aug 1997 21:06:02 -0500

Has anyone had dealings with a David E. McDonald from Winona, Minnesota?
If so, has he responded to you?  I have sent several emails about a few
pennies sent to him, and no response.

Flats



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From: Slave to Lady Nikki <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Originally from Liz....
Date: 30 Aug 1997 20:26:57 -0600 (MDT)


Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

 I'm going back to college and  I'm planning on uns*bcribing inorder to
decreas the amount of mail I go through... I'll be back next summer!
LIz





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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Kansas Follow Up
Date: 31 Aug 1997 00:17:25 -0700

On 8/30/97 11:27 AM Verne R. Walrafen at home ([e-mail] )
wrote

>I was wondering if you had any more detail than shown on your page.

For Kansas, the info on the page is all I have... There are other states
where I have info and am working hard to get it posted to my web site.

>
>There are several "Oasis" on the KTA route.  Guess I'll just have
>to stop at each the next trip to Wichita and see what I can find.

I would love info on each "Oasis" - which ones have coins, and which
don't.

>
>Maybe I can fill out some of your "Unknown"'s for you. Does Status:
>Unknown mean you are taking the listing off a specimen EC rather
>that from a report from an individual?  Well, that doesn't seem
>reasonable since you have ?'s in the actual EC design description.

Status Unknown is somewhat generic, meaning I have not seen the machine
myself or had a report from someone. I find info on eBay, in old
newsgroup reports, from people I talk to (that have not seen the machine
in the last 12 months)... I try hard to put up (on the web site) only
locations where it appears there are machines. There are many coins that
come from rollers -- such as the late Frank Brazzell's Washington DC
coins, that do not have a "location" from which they are sold.

>
>Hope you got my two Topeka, Kansas machine location additions.
>If not, I'll be glad to resend them. (Pictures if you want.)

Yup, THANKS so much for the locations. It is great to get all the
locations via email, and I hope to get caught up on posting them soon
(gotta balance family time and HTML time).  8-)

>
>I am planning on revisiting both locations now that I have an
>idea of what sort of information to gather and getting more
>complete data on each machine.

Super! I'd love to get any info on the machines (phone numbers,
addresses, etc).

>
>KANSAS SMASHED COINS
>Kansas Turnpike, Oasis
>Penny Machine
>Location: Oasis on Kansas Turnpike.
>Status: Unknown
>Manufacturer: Unknown
>Code 18 Sign: Unknown
>1 - (?), [Sunflower, state outline with wheat] "?"

When you put it in this format I can literally copy and paste it into my
HTML editor - and it saves me SOOO much time!

Soooo, do the 'wheat' pennies I am smashing come from Kansas?  <just
kiddin'>

Thanks again!

Bert Creighton
Location Keeper



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Prices
Date: 31 Aug 1997 00:55:56 -0700

Hi,

Here's some recent eBay info on pricing...

1893 Columbian Penny went for $15.51.

1893 Columbian Expo Rolled Nickel went for $17.50.

These are considered to be the first EC's (think I got that right) and
you can see the prices. Sooo, these should be at the high end of the
pricing scale...

bc



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disney Trip Tip!
Date: 31 Aug 1997 01:03:58 -0700

On 8/29/97 7:44 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    Gaye Branham reminded me that there is no change booth in the Penny
>   Arcade (remodel). There are change machines but unless you have crisp
>   dollar bills and pennies, you'll have to go to the next door shops to
>    make change. Gaye said it was a madhouse getting change on her last
>    visit a couple of weeks ago that she abandoned the effort. She'll be
>     bringing her own coins on her next visit and so might you when you
>                             visit Disneyland.

I have never had trouble getting quarters (just very shiny pre-82s). One
of the new change machines in the Penny Arcade gives out 25 pennies, and
3 quarters. The others give quarters. I NEVER seem to have crisp dollars
- so I agree with getting change before going to DL.

One other tip, there is a bank just inside the park, under the train
bridge on the right side (go past the stroller rental area). They were
able to give me a roll of quarters last time I was there... But, count on
me taking all my quarters and pennies in with me (including some
steelies!).

Hey, Disneyland is near, so see as many of you there as possible. I will
post a "trip report" complete with pictures (if I can get Aahz to sign a
model release)!  8-)  FYI, I may be in DL the night before, in case
anyone else is planning on being there...

bc



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From: "tink!!!" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disney Trip Tip!
Date: 31 Aug 1997 01:37:12 -0700

> I have never had trouble getting quarters (just very shiny pre-82s).
> One of the new change machines in the Penny Arcade gives out 25
> pennies, and 3 quarters. The others give quarters. I NEVER seem to
> have crisp dollars - so I agree with getting change before going to
> DL.

i was there about two weeks ago, and unless this has changed again, the
evil machine that drops you 25 pennies has been switched to just give
quarters!!!  i guess they got the hint after i just kept leaving all the
new pennies laying on top of the change machine....

-nikki
--
"There's still a part of me that's
16 and I'm going to nuture it"-Keith Richards
http://www.concentric.net/~dvlgrl66/
dc.d f--- s+ h+ cbryteG^wP a $ (m) d++ fr+ L<1m bF e g i!



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From: "Mary C. and Ben L." <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Steelies
Date: 31 Aug 1997 09:27:21 -0400

Hi everyone.

Try polishing steelies with jeweler's rouge before you squish them.
It's a little time consuming but the results are great!

Ben



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disney Trip Tip!
Date: 31 Aug 1997 11:41:50 -0400 (EDT)

In a message dated 8/31/97 1:35:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time, you write:

<< i was there about two weeks ago, and unless this has changed again, the
 evil machine that drops you 25 pennies has been switched to just give
 quarters!!!  i guess they got the hint after i just kept leaving all the
 new pennies laying on top of the change machine....
  >>

     I do that also, I just don't want to carry around zincs, so I leave them
in supermarkets, on top of peny machines, on 7-11 counters, wherever. When I
get change specifically for pressing, it is embarrasing asking the clerk to
check for coppers, but if they aren't busy and I briefly explain that the
pre-'82s press better, they'll spend a moment looking for me.
     I found that, around here, about 20% of pennies in circulation are
coppers. So when I buy a roll of pennies, I can expect to average 10 coppers
out of the roll. I helps to know that so that I may be prepared when I go on
squishing expeditions.



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From: John & Nancy Wooten <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disney Trip Tip!
Date: 31 Aug 1997 09:06:40 -0700

Bert Creighton wrote:
>
> I have never had trouble getting quarters (just very shiny pre-82s). One
> of the new change machines in the Penny Arcade gives out 25 pennies, and
> 3 quarters. The others give quarters. I NEVER seem to have crisp dollars
> - so I agree with getting change before going to DL.
>
On our last visit this machine had been changed so that it gave four
quarters for a dollar (and it took beat-up bills also) then you took one
of the quarters and put it in a slot in the same machine and got 25
pennies.

> One other tip, there is a bank just inside the park, under the train
> bridge on the right side (go past the stroller rental area). They were
> able to give me a roll of quarters last time I was there... But, count on
> me taking all my quarters and pennies in with me (including some
> steelies!).

They use that bank building for annual passes now.  I don't think you
can get any money there other than from an ATM.

> Hey, Disneyland is near, so see as many of you there as possible. I will
> post a "trip report" complete with pictures (if I can get Aahz to sign a
> model release)!  8-)  FYI, I may be in DL the night before, in case
> anyone else is planning on being there...

John and I are going down on Saturday also so we should be available to
meet.  Any suggestions as to where and when?

Nancy



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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) Disney Trip Tip!
Date: 31 Aug 1997 12:44:15 -0700

On 8/31/97 9:06 AM John & Nancy Wooten ([e-mail] ) wrote

>> One other tip, there is a bank just inside the park, under the train
>> bridge on the right side (go past the stroller rental area). They were
>> able to give me a roll of quarters last time I was there... But, count on
>> me taking all my quarters and pennies in with me (including some
>> steelies!).
>
>They use that bank building for annual passes now.  I don't think you
>can get any money there other than from an ATM.

We were there a month ago. It was the annual pass office, and they did
get me a roll of quarters. But I still will be bringing my own bag of
change...

See you all there.

bc



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From: Slave to Lady Nikki <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) Met Jeff...
Date: 31 Aug 1997 17:05:06 -0600 (MDT)


    Well, i hooked up with Jeff and Deidre Dixon a short time ago at
Winchester Mystery House.  We talked for about an hour while waiting for
their tour to begin, traded a few coins and checked out each others
collections.  It's nice to have a visual now to match the name.

    I got there early and was catching up on some sorting in my
collection while I waited.  About five people actually stopped and asked a
question or two (both while I was alone and when J&D were there) and quite
a few tried to subtly figure out what I/we were doing.  Spent about
fifteen minutes talking to a family of tourists about elongates in general
(the son collects from places they visit).  I quickly found myself
'holding court'.  I have this habit of pitching my voice very similar to a
college professor's and people tend to fall into lecture mode when I'm
speaking about something I know well and they know little of.  Ended up
with not only the 7 member family, but two or three 'strays' in the
conversation as well.  It was pretty cool (I LOVE talking elongates).
Gave a few people my e-mail addy so they might be showing up on the list
in the near future and will likely be droping by The Penny Page (Sorry,
Bert, but your URL's too hard to remember, but I tell 'em your link's
there 8-)

    Overall it was a pretty cool afternoon.  Jeff's got some great SF
issues I'd like ot get my hands on and he also found a few machines in SF
that are either new or we all were unaware of somehow. But I'll let him
share the details.

    Two lessons for today:

    1) We're going to need more then an hour for the lunch time trade
session!  Jeff, Deidre and I passed just more then an hour and it seemed
like moments to me.  With a group of people, we're gonna need more time.

    2) If you're setting up a meet with someone from out of town, do
it at a tourist spot that has machines.  I was pleasantly surprised by the
reactions!

        Peace,

            Aahz

~~~Ex-Vampire Hunter (Got caught by the only one I need)
~~~~Creator of Butterflies, Slave to Lady Nikki
~~~~~List-owner: The Elongated Coin Mailing List
~~~~~~"My name is Aahz and I'm a Tinkaholic"  "Hello Aahz!"




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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (elongates) L.K. Update
Date: 31 Aug 1997 21:38:05 -0700

Greetings,

Happy Holiday to you all. I have put the SeaWorld of Ohio locations on
the Smashed Coin Locator's page at:

http://atlantis.austin.apple.com/people.pages/bcreighton/Ohio.html

(Sorry Aahz, for the long URL's, but hey, Apple provides me free server
space as an employee and I have to use the addy they give me...  8-)  )
Maybe we can get a TEC server up and running and I can move the Smashed
Coin Locator there... How does http://www.tec.com sound?

I'll be posting more locations soon, so stay tuned...

Bert
Location Keeper (LK)



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From: Chris Aahz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) L.K. Update
Date: 31 Aug 1997 22:59:09 -0700 (PDT)


On Sun, 31 Aug 1997, Bert Creighton wrote:

> Maybe we can get a TEC server up and running and I can move the Smashed
> Coin Locator there... How does http://www.tec.com sound?

    It sounds taken 8-(  'Teclephone Electronic COmmunications' or
some such stole it!



++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++  [e-mail]
Ex-Vampire Hunter-             +  TEC # 2062
(Caught the only one I need)   +  SECA Co-Founder
Creator of Butterflies         +  CM # 182
Slave to Lady Nikki    ^^*^^   +  List-Owner:
Non-Violent Activist           +  Elongated Coin Mail List
List page: http://www.truewebdesign.com/PennyPage/listsub.htm




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From: Bert Creighton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (elongates) L.K. Update
Date: 31 Aug 1997 23:11:08 -0700

On 8/31/97 10:59 PM Chris Aahz ([e-mail] ) wrote

>    It sounds taken 8-(  'Teclephone Electronic COmmunications' or
>some such stole it!

You are right!

>It was in this era that Telephone Electronics Corporation (TEC)

OK, http://WWW.SmashThis.COM

bc