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dr350-digest         Monday, December 20 1999         Volume 01 : Number 225




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Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 14:33:17 -0700
From: "Tom Warr" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (dr350) re:  Land closure

>Hey Tom, I don't know whats going on but I trust your judgement
>so if you want to forward me some boilerplate I'll change it a bit and
>forward it off to my elected reps and whoever else you say to send
>it to.


As I understand, all public National Forest lands over 1000 acres that don't
have roads in them will be made "roadless".  In fact, many existing roads
don't count.  (I don't remember their terminology, but only the main access
roads count as roads, all the offshoots don't.)

As an example of how this will close off large tracts of land:  there are
only two roads that count as roads in the entire Little Belt mountain range,
near Great Falls.  Hence, the entire mountain range would be deemed
"roadless", closing off all the forest service roads and existing trails.
So goes the rest of the state.  It is unbelievable, but true, as the statute
is currently written.

It really bothers me that those of us that recreate with motor vehicles in
these publically owned lands are alligned with exploiters of the
environment.  In fact, we cherish it, and care for it as much, or more, than
the "environment" groups.


Please check out
http://www.ama-cycle.org/legisltn/closures/dombeck.html
Change it or just sign your name at the bottom and send it in.  It would
also really help if you would send a copy to your elected representatives,
too.

Thanks to all of you that take the time for this important issue.

Tom Warr   Bikermaniac
Great Falls, Montana
[e-mail]


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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 12:43:46 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (dr350) o-ring chains...

I'm pretty good about lubing my o-ring chain before every ride but it now has
alot of muck built up...  what/how do you guys out there clean your o-ring
chain??
I'm tempted to use diesel/wd-40 but worry it'll wash out the grease behind
the o-rings...


Guy

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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 10:04:17 -0800
From: "Greg Lara" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (dr350) o-ring chains...

I use WD-40 to lube the chains on all my bikes (street and dirt, all O-ring
chains), because it does not pick up dirt like sticky chain lube. Guy's
comment below has started me wondering if this practice would tend to remove
the grease inside the links. Any thoughts?

- --Greg

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Subject: (dr350) o-ring chains...


I'm pretty good about lubing my o-ring chain before every ride but it now
has
alot of muck built up...  what/how do you guys out there clean your o-ring
chain??
I'm tempted to use diesel/wd-40 but worry it'll wash out the grease behind
the o-rings...


Guy

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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:43:33 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (dr350) o-ring chains...

"Greg Lara" said:
>I use WD-40 to lube the chains on all my bikes (street and dirt, all O-ring
>chains), because it does not pick up dirt like sticky chain lube. Guy's
>comment below has started me wondering if this practice would tend to remove
>the grease inside the links. Any thoughts?
>
>--Greg

1) Most chain lubes say "O ring safe".

2) WD-40 is basically spray kerosene.  It will dissolve grease, oil and
(slowly) O rings.

3) Dirt Bike did a test of various chain lubes in the 80s.  They had
one chain w/ no lube.  It wore less then the one WD-40 was used on.
It's better to run your chain dry then use WD-40 on it.


You make your own conclusions

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>Sent: Monday, December 20, 1999 9:44 AM
>To: [e-mail]
>Subject: (dr350) o-ring chains...
>
>
>I'm pretty good about lubing my o-ring chain before every ride but it now
>has
>alot of muck built up...  what/how do you guys out there clean your o-ring
>chain??
>I'm tempted to use diesel/wd-40 but worry it'll wash out the grease behind
>the o-rings...
>
>
>Guy
>
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- --
Tom Buskey
Common Sense Isn't



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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 14:21:52 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (dr350) o-ring chains...

The Suzuki manual says to clean the O ring chain with kerosene and only
kerosene, that anything else will damage the O rings. Does WD40 have some
other ingredient that causes the O ring deterioration?

PS- straight kerosene in a can is hard to find these days. Used to be able to
buy it at camping supply stores, but now all of the camping stoves use
propane...

Scott

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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 11:27:16 -0800
From: "Arne Larsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (dr350) o-ring chains...

Subject: Re: (dr350) o-ring chains...

> "Greg Lara" said:
> >I use WD-40 to lube the chains on all my bikes (street and dirt, all
O-ring
> >chains), because it does not pick up dirt like sticky chain lube. Guy's
> >comment below has started me wondering if this practice would tend to
remove
> >the grease inside the links. Any thoughts?
> >
> >--Greg

From: <[e-mail]>

> 3) Dirt Bike did a test of various chain lubes in the 80s.  They had
> one chain w/ no lube.  It wore less then the one WD-40 was used on.
> It's better to run your chain dry then use WD-40 on it.

For interests sake, Mike Walburn from DualStar announced to a bunch of us at
a rally last year that he uses no lube on his chains what-so-ever.  Nada.
He runs 'em completely dry and replaces them when necessary.  His theory is
that lube attracts dirt, which causes friction, which causes wear.

If you are going to lube your chain though, do it AFTER you ride, not
before.  Doing it before will account for much of a chain's gunk picking up
ability.  I use chain wax, have had good results, and lube it AFTER I ride.
This way it gets a chance to soak in, do it's job on the inside, and become
tackless on the outside before that next ride.

Cheers,

Arne


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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 17:15:54 -0800
From: Bryan Cowger <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (dr350) o-ring chains...

> I'm pretty good about lubing my o-ring chain before every ride but it now has
> alot of muck built up...  what/how do you guys out there clean your o-ring
> chain??
> I'm tempted to use diesel/wd-40 but worry it'll wash out the grease behind
> the o-rings...

I've had pretty good luck with this technique:

- - After washing the bike (but not the chain), put the bike on a stand so
the rear wheel can be rotated.
- - Use one of those "grunge" brushes that clean the chain on three sides.
- - Run the chain in both directions and with the brushes coming into the
chain from both sides.
- - Wipe down the chain with a rag.
- - Apply PJ "won't fly off!" chain lube sparingly.  What I do is hold an
old rag behind the chain (to catch overspray) and _very_ lightly (just a
thin drizzle) spray about 8 or 10 links, and then wipe them down.  This
leaves just a thin coating of lube on the chain, preventing a lot of
muck build-up.  Repeat for the next 8-10 links until the whole chain is
done.

Total time takes less than 5 minutes, and the chain will look almost new
after each time.

I believe that soaking in straight kerosene is recommended by most chain
manufacturers, but that obviously requires removal from the bike.  Might
be a good way to start "fresh" with a clean chain.

Bryan

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