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Subject: dr-digest V1 #28
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dr-digest Tuesday, February 8 2000 Volume 01 : Number 028
Re: (dr) DR350SE mileage
Re: (dr) DR350 Oil Changes
RE: (dr) DR350 Oil Changes
RE: (dr) DR350 Oil Changes
Re: (dr) DR350 Oil Changes
RE: (dr) DR350SE mileage
(dr) longer gear shifter(dr350)
RE: (dr) DR350SE mileage
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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 16:47:06 -0500
From: "Doug Grosjean" <douggrosjean@wcnet.org>
Subject: Re: (dr) DR350SE mileage
Mikko wrote about Andy's DR-350 with 35k miles:
<< As you said,you and your dr350 have 35000 respectable miles behind, so
i'm interested in knowing, is your engine stock,is there anything broken in
your dr engine, have you changed piston,valves etc... >>
Mikko,
If you're curious about high mile DR-350's, I've got a 1993 with 41k miles.
The engine is completetly stock, and hasn't been apart. The only mods I've
done are to add a Clarke plastic tank, aluminum bars, barkbusters, Acerbis
handguards, and Hotgrips with a Heat-troller controller velcroed to the RH
side of the instrument cluster.
Non-maintencance work has been to replace cables a couple times, and the RH
cover gasket failed in the kickstart shaft area at around 37k miles.
Close inspection revealed that the outer cover supports the kickstart
lever, and that as you kick the bike the cover in that area is
deflecting - IOW, I don't think it a coincidence that the cover began to
leak in the area around the kickstart shaft.
The engine is tired, but not loose or rattly - just seems a bit down on
power. The clutch seems to be slipping just a tad now as well.
Most of it's life has been spent commuting, via the Interstate, running 6k
rpm (or so) down the Ohio Turnpike. The first year that I owned it, I
cover 22k miles. After that, miles per year were a bit more normal.
It doesn't start so easy currently, so maybe it's getting to be time for
some work.
Hope somebody finds that all to be of interest - though I realize that
there are singles out there with more miles, they seem rare.
Best,
Doug Grosjean
Gr.8 Designs
Pemberville, Ohio
http://www.gr8designs.com
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Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 15:52:04 -0800
From: Wayne Marsula' <wormworks@home.com>
Subject: Re: (dr) DR350 Oil Changes
Pablo wrote:
>
> >and I change my oil every 500-600 miles religiously
>
> ???????┐┐┐┐┐┐┐┐ The manual of my DR350SE ┤99 indicates that the change oils
> are each 6000 km (+-3750-4000 milles) and it doesn┤t indicate anything about
> syntetic oil (only say that uses oil 10-40W, or 15-50... depending the
> temperature of the zone)... and when a factory indicates oil changes each
> 6000 km it┤s because the bike support oil changes each 12000km... I think
> that┤s a precaution of the factory.
>
> http://www.suzuki-moto.com/catalogue/revision/revision.cfm here you can look
> the table km-revisions of the SUZUKI BIKES
>
> Bye
>
Pablo,
I wouldn't buy that theory. Manufacturers do a lot of testing to
determine how long for oil change intervals. While it doesn't hurt to
change it sooner, to DOUBLE it could be pretty bad. Oils have a
"lifetime", determined by the type of engine, use of engine, type of
riding area, and others. There's little doubt that you would be damaging
your engine by doing as you suggest.
Wayne Marsula'
Escondido, CA
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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 19:04:47 -0500
From: "James Alan Tomkins" <tomkins@epix.net>
Subject: RE: (dr) DR350 Oil Changes
Pablo:
I have never followed what a manual says on any vehicle, two or four whee=
ls.
Call me cynical, but I believe most manufacturers want to sell you a new
vehicle as often as they can. That's when they make the most money.
Aftermarket parts have killed a lucrative business they use to have,
especially for bikes. How many of us buy expensive parts from the
manufacturer? Only when absolutely necessary. I'm not saying that they
publish misleading information; however, I think that most published
maintenance intervals are an upper limit. I know from experience that
almost everyone I speak with that has good running vehicles normally has =
at
least one thing in common. They change their oil as well as perform othe=
r
routine maintenance regularly, usually much more often than any manual
suggests. Is it a coincidence that they have good running vehicles? I
don't think so. But you can be your own judge.
Jim Tomkins
Harrisburg, PA
1998 DR650SEW
- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-dr@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-dr@lists.xmission.com]On
Behalf Of Pablo
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2000 4:57 PM
To: dr@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: (dr) DR350 Oil Changes
>and I change my oil every 500-600 miles religiously
???????=BF=BF=BF=BF=BF=BF=BF=BF The manual of my DR350SE =B499 indicates =
that the change oils
are each 6000 km (+-3750-4000 milles) and it doesn=B4t indicate anything =
about
syntetic oil (only say that uses oil 10-40W, or 15-50... depending the
temperature of the zone)... and when a factory indicates oil changes each
6000 km it=B4s because the bike support oil changes each 12000km... I thi=
nk
that=B4s a precaution of the factory.
http://www.suzuki-moto.com/catalogue/revision/revision.cfm here you can l=
ook
the table km-revisions of the SUZUKI BIKES
Bye
_______________________________________________
SUZUKI DR350SE
"Ride the winds of change"
The Suzuki DR350SE web: www.ctv.es/USERS/pasamo
- -----Mensaje original-----
De: Rich Anderson <richand@jps.net>
Para: dr@lists.xmission.com <dr@lists.xmission.com>
Fecha: lunes 7 de febrero de 2000 6:19
Asunto: (dr) DR350 Oil Changes
>Subject: Re: (dr) Synthetic Oil Discussion
>
>James Alan Tomkins wrote:
>
> I don't know why anyone would spend the extra money on
> synthetic oils. I have a 1998 DR650SEW and I change my oil every
500-600
>
> miles religiously. I followed the same procedure with my previou=
s
bikes
>
> (XT350, RM250) and have never had a problem. I use a common 10W4=
0
motor
>
> oil. It's same stuff I use in my car and is sold everywhere here=
in
>
> Pennsylvania. It meets all API SJ standards. Best part, it only
costs
>me
> about $2.50 to change my oil, $5.00 more if I change the filter a=
nd
O-ring,
>
> which I usually do.
>
> Hi Jim,
> Welcome to the list! And thanks for your comments of agreement on
the
>
> synthetic oil. But I must say, changing your oil that frequently i=
s
also
>
> unnecessary. The oil most certainly keeps its properties much long=
er
> than that. Congratulations on taking such good care of your bike, =
but
>it
> really won't hurt to let it go longer, and of course also will not
hurt
>
> to change it that soon. It's just spending more money than you nee=
d
to.
>
> Wayne Marsula'
> Escondido, CA
>
>
>I too change my oil about every 500-700 miles oil using good old 10/40
natural
>motor oil. Yes I could go much longer between changes, some say up to 3=
000
>miles. But how many times have you changed your oil and either noticed
something
>that needs adjusting, fixed or adjust something that wasn't just right, =
or
performed
>other preventative maintenance. I don't think I have ever done just an =
oil
>change.
>Scheduling your oil changes frequently forces you to get your eyes on
things
>that might otherwise go unnoticed. A perfect time for adjustments and
preventative
>procedures while your tool are already out, your hands are already dirty.
>
>Rich Anderson
>Truckee, CA
>1998 DR 350
>1985 XL 350
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 02:17:22 +0100
From: "Pablo" <Dual-Sport@ctv.es>
Subject: RE: (dr) DR350 Oil Changes
I believe that the oil changes (and other maintance) indicate in the manu=
al
is the appropiate in a general use for each bike (in this case, dual-spor=
t,
could be 60 off, 40 on)... well, general no, i think it=B4s hard use (the=
y
have a hard manteance for a heavy or soft use of the bike... if it=B4s us=
e is
soft, it=B4s OK... and if it=B4s hard... its ok too)
I don=B4t believe that Suzuki (or other factory) can offer, in Spain, for
example, TWO YEARS (no km limit) of TOTAL GUARANTEE in the Suzuki Bikes
(other, for example, aprilia, has THREE).
The only thing that you have to do, is the maintance indicate for a offic=
ial
shop Suzuki. Doing this, your bike don=B4t must stop or broke (accidents,
normal things, how chain, brakes... don=B4t included, of course) in TWO y=
ears
(I have 1 year and 22000 km...). I think that they say to do a maintance =
in
the manual, always less hard that the bike can support working OK. If oil
changes each 6000 km is a lot, the bike could have problem... but in TWO
years (no milleage limit)... this problem is SUZUKI GUARANTEE problem.
And more... in Spain (i don=B4t know how Suzuki works in other countries)=
, the
official guarantee is 2 years no limit km, but if you do the indicate
maintance in the Dealer Suzuki (in guarantee, 2 years, is OBLIGATORY to c=
an
use the guarantee), they haven=B4t problem in repair some anormal broke o=
r
problem in the bike (past the 2 years, but with the correct maintance)
(this is a big thing, but the dealer is expensive in the maintance... is =
the
prize to pay for a good Guarantee)
Well... is this a personal opinion.
(about oil changes, for example, BMW F650 has it each 10.000 km, and anyb=
ody
do it in less time in Spain, because if BMW say that the correct oil chan=
ge
and mainteance is that, it=B4s OK, and it=B4s the best for the bike.)
Ok, if you do the oil change each 5000 km, the bike is OK too (isn=B4t
problem... problem is do it each 20,000 km), of course, but it isn=B4t
necessary.
If you have a problem with the DR in guarantee period, and you do the oil
changes each 3000 km, you haven=B4t problem with the guarantee (you spend=
some
money more)... but if you do the oil changes each 9000, you can problems
(Suzuki guarantee that, for example, DR350SEX =B499 works correctly with =
oil
changes each 6000 km... it=B4s possible that it works correctly with it e=
ach
9000 or 10000 km... but it isn=B4t guarantee...I think that in the test o=
f
Suzuki, the bikes with changes each 9000 km, for example, some bike have
some problem... and they cannot say that it works properly ALWAYS... beca=
use
if it is that, Suzuki will recomend he oil changes each 9000km (it would=
be
a big thing, good publicity)
Bye (and sorry for my BAD english)
HEY LOOK HERE
Go to www.acerbis.com and locate the section NEED AN ACERBIS LOGO (down o=
f
the main page). Select PClogo and look.
Is it hacked? is a joke? is it OK?
(my english isn=B4t good, and i don=B4t undertand some things... but the =
pic is
very extrange)
_______________________________________________
SUZUKI DR350SE
"Ride the winds of change"
The Suzuki DR350SE web: www.ctv.es/USERS/pasamo
=2E
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Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 22:54:48 EST
From: USSergeant@aol.com
Subject: Re: (dr) DR350 Oil Changes
In a message dated 02/07/2000 8:18:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Dual-Sport@ctv.es writes:
<< www.acerbis.com >>
Hey- it looks like their webmaster didn't mean to put that link up... I'm
sure Acerbis doesn't know about it either...
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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 09:14:11 -0000
From: andy.doyle@bt.com
Subject: RE: (dr) DR350SE mileage
Hi Mikko.
The engine is stock at the minute, with the clutch being the 1st thing =
I've
had to replace. I've got through several front sprockets and a gear =
lever
oil seal but they're external so don't really count. I've got a Cycle =
Gear
airbox (now manufactured and sold as Vortex by Jesse on this list) and =
run a
147 main jet.
I use semi-synthetic 10/40, changed every 2000 miles, and the engine =
spends
most of it's waking life at 7000+ rpm.
I intend to fit a 440 overbore kit this summer...I'll let you know how =
it
goes!
Cheers
Andy=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mikko vimpari [SMTP:mikko.vimpari@mail.suomi.net]
> Sent: 07 February 2000 20:27
> To: dr@lists.xmission.com
> Subject: (dr) DR350SE mileage
>=20
> Thanks Andy for answering.
> =20
> As you said,you and your dr350 have 35000 respectable miles behind, =
so i'm
> interested in knowing,
> is your engine stock,is there anything broken in your dr engine, have =
you
> changed piston,valves etc...
> =20
> If anybody interested, i installed jagg oil cooler kit last summer
> and noticed,that engine rpm lowered about 400rpm when idling(hot =
engine)
> Maybe installing oil cooler was a bit overacting,cause dr350 is dry =
sump
> lubricated,(mine engine stock)
> unlike dr650 SE is wet sump engine(more heat)
> I bought also a used =F6hlins shock (300$, worth of that), big =
difference in
> bottoming resistance.
> =20
> =20
> Keep =
writing
> =20
> Mikko
> Vimpari
> =
DR350SE-97
> yamaha
> wr250-92
> =20
> =20
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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 07:52:08 -0600
From: Chris Tobey <christ@h-jenterprises.com>
Subject: (dr) longer gear shifter(dr350)
Hi all, does anybody know where I can order a longer gear shifter for my
DR350X (dirt only). I'm constantly knocking it out of gear with the end of
my boot. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance, Chris
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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 14:13:05 -0000
From: andy.doyle@bt.com
Subject: RE: (dr) DR350SE mileage
Hi Jesse.
I would be very interested in a price for the Thumper Racing kit, but I
haven't found an outlet over here so I'd get stung for shipping and a
punitive import duty which, more or less, has doubled the cost of gear =
I've
had from White Bros. There's an outfit over here, TTS Performance
Engineering (http://www.tts-performance.co.uk/tts.shtml), who do a 440 =
kit.
The guy from the local Suzuki dealer has just fitted one to his DR, so =
I'm
watching how long it lasts with great interest!
If I win the lottery I'll go Thumper though. No vibration from a 10mm
oversize piston is amazing!
As regards the plug for your airbox, I'm delighted with mine and would
recommend it as a first on the 'must have' list for any DR owner! =
Keep up
the good work.
Cheers
Andy
DR350SES
Rainy Suffolk
England
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jesse Kientz www.kientech.com [SMTP:jesse@rvi.net]
> Sent: 08 February 2000 13:50
> To: andy.doyle
> Subject: RE: (dr) DR350SE mileage
>=20
> Hi Andy, Thanks for the tip in your message. Thumper Racing now =
makes an
> first oversize piston for their 435cc kit which would bring it up to
> 441cc.
> I have used their kits exclusively for the past 6 years and have not =
had
> any
> bad experiences at all, they have Wiseco special build their pistons =
so
> they
> are lighter weight so you get no vibration with almost an almost 10 =
mm
> oversize from stock. I don't know if you have a source over there or =
not.
> I
> could get this kit for you if you don't, just let me Know if I can be =
of
> any
> help.
>=20
> my best regards Jesse
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-dr@lists.xmission.com =
[mailto:owner-dr@lists.xmission.com]On
> Behalf Of andy.doyle@bt.com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 1:14 AM
> To: dr@lists.xmission.com
> Subject: RE: (dr) DR350SE mileage
>=20
>=20
> Hi Mikko.
>=20
> The engine is stock at the minute, with the clutch being the 1st =
thing
> I've
> had to replace. I've got through several front sprockets and a gear =
lever
> oil seal but they're external so don't really count. I've got a =
Cycle
> Gear
> airbox (now manufactured and sold as Vortex by Jesse on this list) =
and run
> a
> 147 main jet.
> I use semi-synthetic 10/40, changed every 2000 miles, and the engine
> spends
> most of it's waking life at 7000+ rpm.
>=20
> I intend to fit a 440 overbore kit this summer...I'll let you know =
how it
> goes!
>=20
> Cheers
>=20
> Andy
>=20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mikko vimpari [SMTP:mikko.vimpari@mail.suomi.net]
> > Sent: 07 February 2000 20:27
> > To: dr@lists.xmission.com
> > Subject: (dr) DR350SE mileage
> >
> > Thanks Andy for answering.
> >
> > As you said,you and your dr350 have 35000 respectable miles behind, =
so
> i'm
> > interested in knowing,
> > is your engine stock,is there anything broken in your dr engine, =
have
> you
> > changed piston,valves etc...
> >
> > If anybody interested, i installed jagg oil cooler kit last summer
> > and noticed,that engine rpm lowered about 400rpm when idling(hot =
engine)
> > Maybe installing oil cooler was a bit overacting,cause dr350 is dry =
sump
> > lubricated,(mine engine stock)
> > unlike dr650 SE is wet sump engine(more heat)
> > I bought also a used =F6hlins shock (300$, worth of that), big =
difference
> in
> > bottoming resistance.
> >
> >
> > Keep
> writing
> >
> > Mikko
> > Vimpari
> > =
DR350SE-97
> > =
yamaha
> > wr250-92
> >
> >
>=20
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