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dr-digest          Tuesday, January 18 2000          Volume 01 : Number 009



Re: (dr) Re: DR650, Impressions
(dr) Impressions DR650S vs SE vs DR350S
(dr) DR350 cartridge emulators
Re: (dr) DR350 cartridge emulators
(dr) brake/tail light??
RE: (dr) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 09:38:50 -0000
Re: (dr) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 09:38:50 -0000
RE: (dr) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 09:38:50 -0000

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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 06:57:01 -0800
From: "Fred Hink" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (dr) Re: DR650, Impressions

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Rainer Knape" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2000 5:40 AM
Subject: (dr) Re: DR650, Impressions


> And of course: more power / torque at low / mid rpm are always welcome.
> Obviously faxtory racing offers a jet kit (thanks for the link Kurt) - I
> sent them an email asking for details (price, settings, availability...)
> but no reply...

I have on order and should receive these jet kits from Factory in a few
days.  They will sell for $59.95.  If you need this jet kit or anything
else, let me know.

Fred Hink
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Arrowhead Motorsports
www.arrowheadmotorsports.com
435-259-7356  fax [phone]
Moab, Utah
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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 16:24:42 -0600
From: "Jan Bradley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (dr) Impressions DR650S vs SE vs DR350S

Hi list,
           I have had a '92 DR650S, then a '92 DR350S, then my current
'98 DR650SE. Here are some comparisons and thoughts.

DR350S vs DR650SE street riding:
 The 650 is a far better street maching than the 350. The extra weight
and more power really help here. The suspension on the 650 is very plush
on the road without being too soft. This bike really handles great in
the tight twisties. Lot's of ground clearance for silly lean angles. As
long as the tires will stick, nothing will scrape. The brakes are pretty
good too, Far better than a KLR650.  The seat is a bit narrow and hard
for long hauls, but I have a gel seat so it isn't too bad. I haven't put
a lot of miles on this bike yet, so I can't comment on longevity. I have
had my DR on the track (road course) for a track day, and had a ball (my
Kawasaki ZRX1100 wasn't broken in yet). Handling was good, and the stock
tires drifted very predictably. It helped the tires that it was only
about 40 degrees. If it had been August 90 degree days I'm sure I
would've had tire meltdown.

DR350S vs DR650SE dirt riding:

 The 350 was definately a better trail tool. I had some aftermarket
springs on it and it was after all a bit lighter. I could go faster on
woods trails on the 350. I'm sure that with the right tires, the 650
could go anywhere the 350 could, just not as fast or graceful. The 650
is a bit heavy and softly sprung for serious off road work. If you're
not doing any jumping, the 650's plush ride is nice on the trails. I
have also added a White Brothers skid plate to the 650, since it did not
come with one, and ground clearance is a bit less than the 350. Also, if
you fall over, the 650 is a bit of a pig to pick up, especially if you
have to do it a lot. Speaking of weight, I think (from what I have read
and an educated guess) that the 650 is only about 50lbs. heavier than
the 350 (both full of gas). I think the 350 is about 290# and the 650
about 340#. This extra weight helps more on the street than it hurts in
the woods, in my opinion.  I wouldn't hesitate to hop on my 650 and ride
400 miles away on two lane highways, but I wouldn't like to on the 350.
The 650 enging is also much smoother (less fatiguing buzz).

'92 DR650S vs '98 DR650SE:

  Big difference here. I think the weight was about the same, since the
'92 didn't have electric start. The '92 seemed to have a smidge more
power than the '98, but the engine wasn't as smooth. the '98 is much
more civilized and almost feels like a twin compared to the '92. The
suspension was a bit taller (a shade more travel I think) and a bit
stiffer on the '92, which is why I remember it being a little better off
road than the '98. I had the 350 in between, so comparing is from
memory. They were about the same on the highway, but the little more
horsepower of the '92 helped here. The '92 seemed to go 80 or 90 mph
easier than the '98. One time on the '92 (in Florida during bike week
coming back from Bulow to Daytona following friends on big street bikes)
I ran many miles just below redline in 5th gear at 104mph. I was tucked
in tightly bit still had a bit of a weave going. That's as fast as she
would go.. not bad really. And that was with one less tooth on the front
sprocket! I don't think the '98 would do that, but I haven't tried. The
'98 is less buzzy, more refined, MUCH better suspension, and quieter. I
really think they did a lot for the 650 when they did the re-design in
'96 or whenever that was.

  My bike is stock except for the aformetioned skid plate, Acerbis
rally hand guards, Suzuki luggage rack and Gel seat. I probably will
send the seat off to have some foam added below the gel (it is about an
inch or so lower than the stock seat), and I am looking into a Garmin
GPS III+. I have also thought about a second set of wheels, then I could
have some serious street rubber and some knobbies. This may be a bit
cost prohibitive. Anyone who has done this let me know your thoughts..

 One quick note on carb tuning... Mine has stock jetting w/stock
exhaust. I have done lots of jetting and this one sems a bit lean. All I
think is needed though, is to raise the needle just a bit. that should
do it. It's pretty good everywhere else. I have drilled out the plug and
adjusted the screw too.

I hope the comparison was helpful to some of you contemplating and bike
change.. Good luck!!

JB
'98 DR650SE
Y2K ZRX1100
'99 Z50R




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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 19:16:13 -0500 (EST)
From: [e-mail] (Michael Reina)
Subject: (dr) DR350 cartridge emulators

  Just got my emulators in today. I already have race-tech .043 kg
springs in with 15w oil.(that is what was in the instructions.) What
weight oil is best to use with the emulators and .043 kgs springs?
(instructions for the emulators says to use 10w or what is normally
recommended in bikes manual.)
I AM CONFUSED! Does anybody out there have any experience with these two
fine Race-tech products, what weight oil works best, and any other tips
or things to look out for installing these?
   THANKS and
WELCOME to the list DR650's
Mike Reina
93 DR350s
96 R1100R


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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 17:25:06 -0800
From: Bryan Cowger <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (dr) DR350 cartridge emulators

With the damping rod forks and the emulators, oil weight ends up
adjusting your rebound rate -- heavier oil naturally gives a slower
rebound response.

You don't list your weight or riding style, so it's hard to make a
recommendation.  However, RaceTech is usually very good about their tech
support -- give 'em a call!  They may also be able to recommend an
initial setting for the compression damping and fluid level.

Bryan


Michael Reina wrote:
>
>   Just got my emulators in today. I already have race-tech .043 kg
> springs in with 15w oil.(that is what was in the instructions.) What
> weight oil is best to use with the emulators and .043 kgs springs?
> (instructions for the emulators says to use 10w or what is normally
> recommended in bikes manual.)
> I AM CONFUSED! Does anybody out there have any experience with these two
> fine Race-tech products, what weight oil works best, and any other tips
> or things to look out for installing these?
>    THANKS and
> WELCOME to the list DR650's
> Mike Reina
> 93 DR350s
> 96 R1100R
>
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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 17:51:55 PST
From: "Owen G" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (dr) brake/tail light??

List, i've got a dr350 that has a damaged rear brake/tail light..  I'd like
to replace it but i kinda figure that if i am going to spend money on a tail
light why don't i get a more "flush" mount...  Is there any well recomended
12v brake/tail lights out there that are more flush??
  Also, i am going to be pulling the baffle out of my stock exhaust soon,
does anyone have any tips or opinions on this matter??
Thanx,
Owen
'92 dr350s



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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 10:41:31 -0000
From: [e-mail]
Subject: RE: (dr) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 09:38:50 -0000

    -----Original Message-----
    From:    Dr. Tom Warr [SMTP:[e-mail]]
    Sent:    17 January 2000 20:17
    To:    andy.doyle; dr
    Subject:    Re: (dr) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 09:38:50 -0000

    What type of riding do you do there in England?  Thanks.  tW

      Do not use quotes in your message.

Hi Tom!  We don't have the open spaces over here that you guys do, so it's
primarily a backroad and commuting machine.  There's some forest trails and
green lanes open to bikes where I live on the east coast, but you have to go
over to Wales or the Pennines to get any decent off-road distance.  Most
challenging terrain is densely populated with tree huggers, horse-riders and
walkers, all of whom believe that motorcycles should be limited to 20mph,
have 2 extra wheels fitted and have a man with a red flag walking in front.
For our own safety, of course.

I guess about 90% of my miles are on tarmac, so I run road-biased tyres
(Avon Gripsters), which make the other 10% quite entertaining, especially
deep mud and wet downhill rock!

Restraint was never my strong point in the heat of the moment, so I bought
the DR as a restraint-in-advance, licence-saving road bike initially, having
been pulled at 125 in a 30 limit on my previous bike.  (It was 2am and I got
off with it by making the copper laugh, but I'd never be that lucky
twice...they ban you if you get caught over 100 on a motorway nowadays)  I
ride regularly with a mix of bikes, TL1000s, Blackbirds, Blades and a mix of
the 600 pocket-rockets...straight roads and EVERYTHING leaves me for dead.
Down the twisties and through town I have to stop every few miles and wait
for them to catch up...sounds like bragging but it happens...every time, and
I'm not that good!  It's just that the DR, with a few mods, is BRILLIANT in
the twisties.

Most outings on the DR are <100 miles, with my GPZ being used for the
distance or straight road stuff.  I've put 35,000 on the DR and 20,000 on
the GPZ since '96, so that's the split of riding type I guess.  Only ride
about 360 days a year.  The other 5 I'm just TOO hungover!

Youngest kid is 15, so I might even have the money so come across the puddle
and see some real trails in a few years!  In the meantime, 3 of them keep me
skint.

Cheers

Andy

'96 DR350


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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 10:50:53 -0000
From: "Colin Parkes" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (dr) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 09:38:50 -0000

Andy,

have you ever ridden in the Lake District ??
I've been around Coniston/Kendal way with a couple of lads who run Lake's &
Dales Trails.
Did about 100 miles in a day and only about 5 of them were on a road.......
Had an enduro tire on the back and a "Golden Boy" trail tire on the
front..... Made things interesting...
For our American friends, the people of the Lake District have 57 differents
words for rain, and 413 for mud..

later,

Col.

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From: <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 10:41 AM
Subject: RE: (dr) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 09:38:50 -0000


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dr. Tom Warr [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Sent: 17 January 2000 20:17
> To: andy.doyle; dr
> Subject: Re: (dr) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 09:38:50 -0000
>
> What type of riding do you do there in England?  Thanks.  tW
>
>       Do not use quotes in your message.
>
> Hi Tom!  We don't have the open spaces over here that you guys do, so it's
> primarily a backroad and commuting machine.  There's some forest trails
and
> green lanes open to bikes where I live on the east coast, but you have to
go
> over to Wales or the Pennines to get any decent off-road distance.  Most
> challenging terrain is densely populated with tree huggers, horse-riders
and
> walkers, all of whom believe that motorcycles should be limited to 20mph,
> have 2 extra wheels fitted and have a man with a red flag walking in
front.
> For our own safety, of course.
>
> I guess about 90% of my miles are on tarmac, so I run road-biased tyres
> (Avon Gripsters), which make the other 10% quite entertaining, especially
> deep mud and wet downhill rock!
>
> Restraint was never my strong point in the heat of the moment, so I bought
> the DR as a restraint-in-advance, licence-saving road bike initially,
having
> been pulled at 125 in a 30 limit on my previous bike.  (It was 2am and I
got
> off with it by making the copper laugh, but I'd never be that lucky
> twice...they ban you if you get caught over 100 on a motorway nowadays)  I
> ride regularly with a mix of bikes, TL1000s, Blackbirds, Blades and a mix
of
> the 600 pocket-rockets...straight roads and EVERYTHING leaves me for dead.
> Down the twisties and through town I have to stop every few miles and wait
> for them to catch up...sounds like bragging but it happens...every time,
and
> I'm not that good!  It's just that the DR, with a few mods, is BRILLIANT
in
> the twisties.
>
> Most outings on the DR are <100 miles, with my GPZ being used for the
> distance or straight road stuff.  I've put 35,000 on the DR and 20,000 on
> the GPZ since '96, so that's the split of riding type I guess.  Only ride
> about 360 days a year.  The other 5 I'm just TOO hungover!
>
> Youngest kid is 15, so I might even have the money so come across the
puddle
> and see some real trails in a few years!  In the meantime, 3 of them keep
me
> skint.
>
> Cheers
>
> Andy
>
> '96 DR350
>
>
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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 11:08:52 -0000
From: [e-mail]
Subject: RE: (dr) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 09:38:50 -0000

Hi Col,

Nope!  Sounds great though.  We're trying to organise an offroad weekend for
about a dozen people at the minute...there's a Yamaha one and CCM, based in
Wales and Yorkshire respectively, that we've been looking at.  Do you have
a number for the Lakes and Dales people? Could be just what we're looking
for.

Cheers!

Andy

DR350  Suffolk, England
> -----Original Message-----
> From:    Colin Parkes [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Sent:    18 January 2000 10:51
> To:    andy.doyle; dr
> Subject:    Re: (dr) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 09:38:50 -0000
>
> Andy,
>
> have you ever ridden in the Lake District ??
> I've been around Coniston/Kendal way with a couple of lads who run Lake's
> &
> Dales Trails.
> Did about 100 miles in a day and only about 5 of them were on a
> road.......
> Had an enduro tire on the back and a "Golden Boy" trail tire on the
> front..... Made things interesting...
> For our American friends, the people of the Lake District have 57
> differents
> words for rain, and 413 for mud..
>
> later,
>
> Col.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <[e-mail]>
> To: <[e-mail]>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 10:41 AM
> Subject: RE: (dr) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 09:38:50 -0000
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dr. Tom Warr [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> > Sent: 17 January 2000 20:17
> > To: andy.doyle; dr
> > Subject: Re: (dr) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 09:38:50 -0000
> >
> > What type of riding do you do there in England?  Thanks.  tW
> >
> >       Do not use quotes in your message.
> >
> > Hi Tom!  We don't have the open spaces over here that you guys do, so
> it's
> > primarily a backroad and commuting machine.  There's some forest trails
> and
> > green lanes open to bikes where I live on the east coast, but you have
> to
> go
> > over to Wales or the Pennines to get any decent off-road distance.  Most
> > challenging terrain is densely populated with tree huggers, horse-riders
> and
> > walkers, all of whom believe that motorcycles should be limited to
> 20mph,
> > have 2 extra wheels fitted and have a man with a red flag walking in
> front.
> > For our own safety, of course.
> >
> > I guess about 90% of my miles are on tarmac, so I run road-biased tyres
> > (Avon Gripsters), which make the other 10% quite entertaining,
> especially
> > deep mud and wet downhill rock!
> >
> > Restraint was never my strong point in the heat of the moment, so I
> bought
> > the DR as a restraint-in-advance, licence-saving road bike initially,
> having
> > been pulled at 125 in a 30 limit on my previous bike.  (It was 2am and I
> got
> > off with it by making the copper laugh, but I'd never be that lucky
> > twice...they ban you if you get caught over 100 on a motorway nowadays)
> I
> > ride regularly with a mix of bikes, TL1000s, Blackbirds, Blades and a
> mix
> of
> > the 600 pocket-rockets...straight roads and EVERYTHING leaves me for
> dead.
> > Down the twisties and through town I have to stop every few miles and
> wait
> > for them to catch up...sounds like bragging but it happens...every time,
> and
> > I'm not that good!  It's just that the DR, with a few mods, is BRILLIANT
> in
> > the twisties.
> >
> > Most outings on the DR are <100 miles, with my GPZ being used for the
> > distance or straight road stuff.  I've put 35,000 on the DR and 20,000
> on
> > the GPZ since '96, so that's the split of riding type I guess.  Only
> ride
> > about 360 days a year.  The other 5 I'm just TOO hungover!
> >
> > Youngest kid is 15, so I might even have the money so come across the
> puddle
> > and see some real trails in a few years!  In the meantime, 3 of them
> keep
> me
> > skint.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Andy
> >
> > '96 DR350
> >
> >
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