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From: Mark Stevenson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cww) Stick/throttle/pedals
Date: 03 May 1999 09:00:28 -0600

Given recent events in the Mac flight sim community and my new standing as
a non-student with a bit of coin in my pocket, I want to buy me one of them
fancy stick/throttle/rudders set-ups.  The abuse that my MousestickII has
suffered over the years has been extreme and retirement is long overdue.
Besides, I NEED the pedals for Dawn of Aces (i've been using the top 2
buttons on my MS2 -- eek), and I expect the full setup will be nice for
Falcon4 and SDOE and maybe even HK, Cuba, etc.

So assuming that I want a USB set-up (is ADB gonna be around when I buy my
next Mac in late 2000? Will I be buying a PC in 2000?), what are my
options?  Will I have keymapping ability with product x?

I'm solicitiing any and all advice.

Thanks in advance,
Mark Stevenson

irc:  Stevo
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From: Dale Bottrell <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cww) Stick/throttle/pedals
Date: 03 May 1999 09:14:26 z (MST)

Heya Stevo

Apple and the manufacturers that make sticks are moving towards inputsprocket support for sticks. There are two right now, one from TM and one from CH. I recommend CH cause I have the TM USB stick for my PC and a CH ADB stick for the Mac and I hate the TM stick. Also I like CH's support a lot better then I do TM's non-support

Dale

You wrote:

> From: Mark Stevenson <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 09:00:28 -0600
> Subject: (cww) Stick/throttle/pedals
>
>
> Given recent events in the Mac flight sim community and my new standing as
> a non-student with a bit of coin in my pocket, I want to buy me one of them
> fancy stick/throttle/rudders set-ups.  The abuse that my MousestickII has
> suffered over the years has been extreme and retirement is long overdue.
> Besides, I NEED the pedals for Dawn of Aces (i've been using the top 2
> buttons on my MS2 -- eek), and I expect the full setup will be nice for
> Falcon4 and SDOE and maybe even HK, Cuba, etc.
>
> So assuming that I want a USB set-up (is ADB gonna be around when I buy my
> next Mac in late 2000? Will I be buying a PC in 2000?), what are my
> options?  Will I have keymapping ability with product x?
>
> I'm solicitiing any and all advice.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Mark Stevenson
>
> irc:  Stevo
> DoA: stevo-
>
>
> ---------------------------
> Mark Stevenson
>
> [e-mail]
> ---------------------------
>
>
>
>
>



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From: Nick Harman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cww) Stick/throttle/pedals
Date: 03 May 1999 19:16:52 +0100

>Given recent events in the Mac flight sim community and my new standing as
>a non-student with a bit of coin in my pocket, I want to buy me one of them
>fancy stick/throttle/rudders set-ups.  The abuse that my MousestickII has
>suffered over the years has been extreme and retirement is long overdue.
>Besides, I NEED the pedals for Dawn of Aces (i've been using the top 2
>buttons on my MS2 -- eek), and I expect the full setup will be nice for
>Falcon4 and SDOE and maybe even HK, Cuba, etc.
>
>So assuming that I want a USB set-up (is ADB gonna be around when I buy my
>next Mac in late 2000? Will I be buying a PC in 2000?), what are my
>options?  Will I have keymapping ability with product x?
>
>I'm solicitiing any and all advice.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Mark Stevenson
>
>irc:  Stevo
>DoA: stevo-
>
>


Actually, i use  my left hand on keys for rudder in doa and the TM FCS
stick for steering, shooting, looking about and throttle up/down. Works
well I find cos doa is not as rudder sensitive as wb

Kokney

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From: Dale Bottrell <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cww) CAT III Virtual Wings
Date: 06 May 1999 10:05:39 z (MST)

Taken from MacInTouch:

CAT III Systems has released Virtual Wings Professional for the Mac, a flight trainer designed to be used for primary pilot training and instrument proficiency. The $399 application "simulates a Cessna 172 Skyhawk for basic training and an Aerospatiale TB20 Trinidad constant speed prop retractable as a complex aircraft."



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From: Dale <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cww) Mac Falcon 4 Status
Date: 07 May 1999 18:13:22 -0700

Hiyas,

I know some of you guys are beta testers, but you can't talk about the
following so I took it from a post to comp.sys.mac.games.flight-sim so
everyone else would know about it. I know I had been counting the days :)

Dale

Johan Rundberg wrote:

> In article <not-0605991745240001@g3/233>, [e-mail] (Dale) wrote:
>
> > In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] wrote:
> >
> > > Okay, sorry for the brat fa=E7ade, but I'm REALLY looking forward to t=
his
> > > one!
>
> (snip)
>
> >
> > Try an Electronic Boutique May 13
>
> Could you be more specific? Is it released?
>
> /J.

No, it's not released. We ran into a very ugly last minute bug. Phil has
(along with most of Westlake) been working day and night for a week trying t=
o
fix it. I haven't talked to Phil yet today, but yesterday he thought it was
fixed. Unfortunately, this means that the CD duplication will be at least a
week later than originally anticipated.

 -Brian
--
Brian S. Nesse
Development Manager/
Sr. Software Engineer
MacSoft

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From: Dale <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cww) Using the F16 in Hornet
Date: 09 May 1999 17:43:52 -0700

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Hi,

I have recieved a complaint or two about people using the F16 in Hornet
ladder matches.  This complaints feel it is unfair for this to happen and
should be against the rules. But in asking questions, it seems that there
is no way to tell the other person is using the 16. For rules purposes,
this is like "don't give an order that you know won't be followed" If the
only way to even suspect it is to be beat, then what is to be done?

The 16 carries a smaller fuel load then the Hornet. So it turns tighter,
sooner. But the Hornet has a larger fuel load and stay in the match longer.
I see this as trade-off. Some people think of Hornet as being simple. It
isn't. It requires strategy and planning as if you were in the real world.
Hornet is not a "hit the AB and go" flightsim. It is a fairly realistic
flight model requiring energy management most of all and that means fuel in
part.

Personally I see no problem using the 16. And the only change I personally
would make in the ROE is that it be specified in advance what aircraft each
person will use. It adds a bit more reality to Hornet by flying dissimilar
aircraft.

It would help if there was way to verify the aircraft though. But for the
moment I see no way to do this. The choices are quit Hornet all together,
quit the ladder or get to be good enough it doesn't matter.

I would like to see some discussion of this. Because without some sort of
agreement, the ROE won't change. It can't be just a few people. The ladder
is a cooperative effort....it is not just me making rules and it will never
be....it requires everyone to participate on many levels directly with
others who use the ladders
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Hi,


I have recieved a complaint or two about people using the F16 in Hornet
ladder matches.  This complaints feel it is unfair for this to happen
and should be against the rules. But in asking questions, it seems that
there is no way to tell the other person is using the 16. For rules
purposes, this is like "don't give an order that you know won't be
followed" If the only way to even suspect it is to be beat, then what
is to be done?


The 16 carries a smaller fuel load then the Hornet. So it turns
tighter, sooner. But the Hornet has a larger fuel load and stay in the
match longer. I see this as trade-off. Some people think of Hornet as
being simple. It isn't. It requires strategy and planning as if you
were in the real world. Hornet is not a "hit the AB and go" flightsim.
It is a fairly realistic flight model requiring energy management most
of all and that means fuel in part.


Personally I see no problem using the 16. And the only change I
personally would make in the ROE is that it be specified in advance
what aircraft each person will use. It adds a bit more reality to
Hornet by flying dissimilar aircraft.


It would help if there was way to verify the aircraft though. But for
the moment I see no way to do this. The choices are quit Hornet all
together, quit the ladder or get to be good enough it doesn't matter.


I would like to see some discussion of this. Because without some sort
of agreement, the ROE won't change.
<fixed><color><param>14E5,0CCE,FFFF</param>It can't be just a few
people. The ladder is a cooperative effort....it is not just me making
rules and it will never be....it requires everyone to participate on
many levels directly with others who use the ladders</color></fixed>

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From: Stephen Fox <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cww) Using the F16 in Hornet
Date: 10 May 1999 11:18:42 +1000

Hi all,

Well if anyone is using the F16 in Official Flights all I can say is that
either your ethics are lower than a snakes arse, or you are obviously not
good enough (or keen enough to learn) to fly a fair fight with other
members of the Hornet community. I have no respect for the sods that need
to *cheat* in an effort to *try* and win.

During my few years around #hornet, Hornet officials have always been a
fair and sportsman like competition due to the high ethical standards of
the people involved. I feel that it's a sad and sorry day if it really has
come to this level of deception.

That's my 2 cents worth...

Cheers
FoxOne
XO, VFA-105 Gunslingers
mailto:[e-mail]

>Hi,
>
>I have recieved a complaint or two about people using the F16 in Hornet
>ladder matches.  This complaints feel it is unfair for this to happen and
>should be against the rules. But in asking questions, it seems that there
>is no way to tell the other person is using the 16. For rules purposes,
>this is like "don't give an order that you know won't be followed" If the
>only way to even suspect it is to be beat, then what is to be done?
>
>The 16 carries a smaller fuel load then the Hornet. So it turns tighter,
>sooner. But the Hornet has a larger fuel load and stay in the match
>longer. I see this as trade-off. Some people think of Hornet as being
>simple. It isn't. It requires strategy and planning as if you were in the
>real world. Hornet is not a "hit the AB and go" flightsim. It is a fairly
>realistic flight model requiring energy management most of all and that
>means fuel in part.
>
>Personally I see no problem using the 16. And the only change I personally
>would make in the ROE is that it be specified in advance what aircraft
>each person will use. It adds a bit more reality to Hornet by flying
>dissimilar aircraft.
>
>It would help if there was way to verify the aircraft though. But for the
>moment I see no way to do this. The choices are quit Hornet all together,
>quit the ladder or get to be good enough it doesn't matter.
>
>I would like to see some discussion of this. Because without some sort of
>agreement, the ROE won't change. It can't be just a few people. The ladder
>is a cooperative effort....it is not just me making rules and it will
>never be....it requires everyone to participate on many levels directly
>with others who use the ladders
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From: Dale <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cww) Using the F16 in Hornet
Date: 09 May 1999 20:15:08 -0700

I was looking for constructive comments

At 11:18 AM +1000 5/10/99, Stephen Fox wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>Well if anyone is using the F16 in Official Flights all I can say is that
>either your ethics are lower than a snakes arse, or you are obviously not
>good enough (or keen enough to learn) to fly a fair fight with other
>members of the Hornet community. I have no respect for the sods that need
>to *cheat* in an effort to *try* and win.
>
>During my few years around #hornet, Hornet officials have always been a
>fair and sportsman like competition due to the high ethical standards of
>the people involved. I feel that it's a sad and sorry day if it really has
>come to this level of deception.
>
>That's my 2 cents worth...
>
>Cheers
>FoxOne
>XO, VFA-105 Gunslingers
>mailto:[e-mail]
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>I have recieved a complaint or two about people using the F16 in Hornet
>>ladder matches.  This complaints feel it is unfair for this to happen and
>>should be against the rules. But in asking questions, it seems that there
>>is no way to tell the other person is using the 16. For rules purposes,
>>this is like "don't give an order that you know won't be followed" If the
>>only way to even suspect it is to be beat, then what is to be done?
>>
>>The 16 carries a smaller fuel load then the Hornet. So it turns tighter,
>>sooner. But the Hornet has a larger fuel load and stay in the match
>>longer. I see this as trade-off. Some people think of Hornet as being
>>simple. It isn't. It requires strategy and planning as if you were in the
>>real world. Hornet is not a "hit the AB and go" flightsim. It is a fairly
>>realistic flight model requiring energy management most of all and that
>>means fuel in part.
>>
>>Personally I see no problem using the 16. And the only change I personally
>>would make in the ROE is that it be specified in advance what aircraft
>>each person will use. It adds a bit more reality to Hornet by flying
>>dissimilar aircraft.
>>
>>It would help if there was way to verify the aircraft though. But for the
>>moment I see no way to do this. The choices are quit Hornet all together,
>>quit the ladder or get to be good enough it doesn't matter.
>>
>>I would like to see some discussion of this. Because without some sort of
>>agreement, the ROE won't change. It can't be just a few people. The ladder
>>is a cooperative effort....it is not just me making rules and it will
>>never be....it requires everyone to participate on many levels directly
>>with others who use the ladders
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From: Dale <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cww) F16 in Hornet
Date: 09 May 1999 23:00:05 -0700

This one bounced

>Date:  9 May 99 22:38:00 PDT
>From: Craig Osborne <[e-mail]>
>To: [e-mail]
>Subject:
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>
>I would just like to go on record and say that I think using the use:XXXX
>cheat commands for Hornet Korea in officials is wrong. I would like to see
>something put in the rules stating that the use of such cheat codes will not
>be allowed. I know there is as of yet no way to prove when someone is
>cheating, but I still think it deserves to placed in the rules.
>
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From: Andrew Carr <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cww) F16 in Hornet
Date: 10 May 1999 22:19:20 +1000

>
> >I would just like to go on record and say that I think using the use:XXXX
> >cheat commands for Hornet Korea in officials is wrong. I would like to see
> >something put in the rules stating that the use of such cheat codes will not
> >be allowed. I know there is as of yet no way to prove when someone is
> >cheating, but I still think it deserves to placed in the rules.
> >
> >AV3


At the risk of making myself look incredibly stupid (so what's new?) in
front of people who have way more hours in the virtual logbook than
myself, wouldn't a quick '5' view confirm the other person is flying the F16?

This seems a little too obvious - have I completely missed the boat here?

I haven't flown for ages, so pardon my ignorance.

Cheers,


Andrew
a.k.a. StratoPig, the occasional pilot



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From: Nick Harman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cww) F16 in Hornet
Date: 10 May 1999 14:20:47 +0100

As I recall, the command cheat just changes the way the plane appears to
your external view, Not to your opponents and, and I recall, made no
difference to the flight model

Kokney



>>
>> >I would just like to go on record and say that I think using the use:XXXX
>> >cheat commands for Hornet Korea in officials is wrong. I would like to see
>> >something put in the rules stating that the use of such cheat codes
>>will not
>> >be allowed. I know there is as of yet no way to prove when someone is
>> >cheating, but I still think it deserves to placed in the rules.
>> >
>> >AV3
>
>
>At the risk of making myself look incredibly stupid (so what's new?) in
>front of people who have way more hours in the virtual logbook than
>myself, wouldn't a quick '5' view confirm the other person is flying the F16?
>
>This seems a little too obvious - have I completely missed the boat here?
>
>I haven't flown for ages, so pardon my ignorance.
>
>Cheers,
>
>
>Andrew
>a.k.a. StratoPig, the occasional pilot


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From: Craig Osborne <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [Re: (cww) F16 in Hornet]
Date: 11 May 1999 13:25:03 PDT

I tried out the codes and it completely changes the way the planes flies =
and
not just the apperance. The 5 key also will not work. When you use the 'u=
se"
command your plane and the other guys plane looks like the plane you chos=
e and
the other guy only see F-18s if he is not using the cheat codes. =

For example: I fly against you and you use the cheat code "use:SU27". Whe=
n you
start the game you will see my plane as an SU27 and if you do an external=
 view
you will see your plane as an SU27. On my end I did not use the cheat cod=
es
and am flying an F-18. When I join the game I will see my plane and yours=
 as
an F-18. The 5 key will still show your plane as an F-18. The only indica=
tion
to me that your are using the "use" codes would be the difference in your=

planes handling.

AV3



Nick Harman <[e-mail]> wrote:
As I recall, the command cheat just changes the way the plane appears to
your external view, Not to your opponents and, and I recall, made no
difference to the flight model

Kokney



>>
>> >I would just like to go on record and say that I think using the use:=
XXXX
>> >cheat commands for Hornet Korea in officials is wrong. I would like t=
o see
>> >something put in the rules stating that the use of such cheat codes
>>will not
>> >be allowed. I know there is as of yet no way to prove when someone is=

>> >cheating, but I still think it deserves to placed in the rules.
>> >
>> >AV3
>
>
>At the risk of making myself look incredibly stupid (so what's new?) in
>front of people who have way more hours in the virtual logbook than
>myself, wouldn't a quick '5' view confirm the other person is flying the=
 F16?
>
>This seems a little too obvious - have I completely missed the boat here=
?
>
>I haven't flown for ages, so pardon my ignorance.
>
>Cheers,
>
>
>Andrew
>a.k.a. StratoPig, the occasional pilot


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From: Dale Bottrell <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cww) GSC Announcement
Date: 11 May 1999 16:20:30 z (MST)

"Okay, here's the deal..."
Posted by GSCEric on 17:46:37 5/11/99
  Include Original
Message on Reply

Apple announced OpenGL 1.0 today. We're good to go with the patch as soon as the patch utility is ready. Should be tomorrow.
The patch covers:

OpenGL support
USB support
Voodoo2 support

Korea will now be able to display 1024 in OpenGL mode. Voodoo2 is still stuck at 800. However, a Voodoo2 can support OpenGL, so all you'll have to do is make the appropriate acceleration selection in the preferences and you'll be fine.

This should have no problems with future revisions of the 8.x OS.

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From: Dale <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cww) Mac Falcon 4 goes GM
Date: 12 May 1999 23:09:45 -0700

Last night, Wednesday, Westlake announced that Mac Falcon 4 has gone gold.
According to one of the beta testers, it should be in stores within two
weeks.

For those of you that don't know it, F4 is fully cross-platform playable.
Macs can fly directly against PC across the Internet. The Mac beta testers
have been doing some flying against PC pilots for a bit now and the
comments are it is very smooth. It seems that the PC F4 fliers will have to
wait for the 1.07 patch to catch up.

The CWW F4 ladder already has both Mac and PC on it. If you want to join,
go to the page at http://www.xmission.com/~thon/ladders/f4/f4.html


Dale

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From: "Robert J. Richardson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cww) Korea GL
Date: 13 May 1999 18:54:44 -0400

Could use some help from a Mac G3 user and GSC Korea flyer who has been
able to get Korea GL to work properly. I downloaded GL from GSC and the new
Apple OpenGL and believe I installed everything properly. I got the new
icon to show up (Korea GL) and selected OpenGL from the settings, but got
this message when I tried to fly the update: Korea is unable to load 3D
drivers or is unable to locate your 3D accelerator. You should reinstall
the Glide Drivers (for 3Dfx) or OpenGL drivers (iMac/G3.) If I do fly GL
without OpenGL selected in the settings file, when I finish the mission
(without, of course, the 3D terrain mapping), my screen is reduced greatly
and I have to restart to get out of Korea GL.





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From: Dale Bottrell <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cww) Korea GL
Date: 13 May 1999 16:47:45 z (MST)

One thing seems to be that you can use 640x480 or 1024x768 but not 600x800

You wrote:

> From: "Robert J. Richardson" <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 18:54:44 -0400
> Subject: (cww) Korea GL
>
>
> Could use some help from a Mac G3 user and GSC Korea flyer who has been
> able to get Korea GL to work properly. I downloaded GL from GSC and the new
> Apple OpenGL and believe I installed everything properly. I got the new
> icon to show up (Korea GL) and selected OpenGL from the settings, but got
> this message when I tried to fly the update: Korea is unable to load 3D
> drivers or is unable to locate your 3D accelerator. You should reinstall
> the Glide Drivers (for 3Dfx) or OpenGL drivers (iMac/G3.) If I do fly GL
> without OpenGL selected in the settings file, when I finish the mission
> (without, of course, the 3D terrain mapping), my screen is reduced greatly
> and I have to restart to get out of Korea GL.
>
>
>
>
>

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From: "Robert J. Richardson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cww) Korea GL
Date: 13 May 1999 23:13:54 -0400

At 4:47 PM +0000 5/13/1999, Dale Bottrell wrote:
>One thing seems to be that you can use 640x480 or 1024x768 but not 600x800
>Have tried both 640x480 and 1024x768, but it appears that Korea is unable
>to locate the 3D accelerator. I do have the ix3D Ultimate Rez card
>installed in a PCI slot. Possibly the conflict is with ix3D as it moved
>the Apple IX Graphics Accelerator extension to its "Moved System Files"
>folder when it was installed.
>You wrote:
>
>> From: "Robert J. Richardson" <[e-mail]>
>> To: [e-mail]
>> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 18:54:44 -0400
>> Subject: (cww) Korea GL
>>
>>
>> Could use some help from a Mac G3 user and GSC Korea flyer who has been
>> able to get Korea GL to work properly.





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From: "Robert J. Richardson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cww) Korea GL
Date: 13 May 1999 23:13:54 -0400

At 4:47 PM +0000 5/13/1999, Dale Bottrell wrote:
>One thing seems to be that you can use 640x480 or 1024x768 but not 600x800
>Have tried both 640x480 and 1024x768, but it appears that Korea is unable
>to locate the 3D accelerator. I do have the ix3D Ultimate Rez card
>installed in a PCI slot. Possibly the conflict is with ix3D as it moved
>the Apple IX Graphics Accelerator extension to its "Moved System Files"
>folder when it was installed.
>You wrote:
>
>> From: "Robert J. Richardson" <[e-mail]>
>> To: [e-mail]
>> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 18:54:44 -0400
>> Subject: (cww) Korea GL
>>
>>
>> Could use some help from a Mac G3 user and GSC Korea flyer who has been
>> able to get Korea GL to work properly.





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From: Dale Bottrell <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cww) Hornet GL/USB Patch and ATI
Date: 14 May 1999 09:00:18 z (MST)

As posted to the Cyber Wings message board
(http://www.xmission.com/~thon/BBS/FSGC/board.cgi)

Taken from MacFixIt:

Mac OS 8.6 ATI updates disable acceleration?

 Carl Constantine notes that Mac OS 8.6 will update at least a couple of ATI extensions in your System Folder (ATI 3d Accelerator and ATI Graphics Accelerator) and may remove others. However, if you have the extensions there because you use a non-Rage 128 PCI card (such as Xclaim 3D or Xclaim VR), this may not be good news. Carl believes that these updates are designed only for the Rage 128 (I cannot yet confirm that this is so). In any case, after installing the 8.6 Update, his video and hardware acceleration vanished. Reinstalling the ATI software from the ATI Universal Installer available from ATI's web site, go things working again.


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From: Hiram C. Wilson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cww) Hornet GL/USB Patch and ATI
Date: 14 May 1999 12:20:29 -0400

Hello,

I own an Xclaim 3D Rage Pro card.  The ATI drivers included with the Mac
OS 8.6 update work fine with my card.  Apple OpenGL 1.0 drivers also work
fine with the card.  Perhaps there was glitch with the 8.6 installer on
Carl Contantine's machine or perhaps there is some other hardware or
software conflict.

My machine is a 7600 with a Newertech G3 upgrade.

Hiram



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From: "Kirk" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cww) Hornet USB sprockets
Date: 14 May 1999 09:40:36 -0700

Little confused by the wording of the patch.  Does this mean that non-usb
sticks/throt/rudders are not supported?  Or is it total inputsprocket
support?
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From: Hiram C. Wilson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cww) Hornet USB sprockets
Date: 14 May 1999 13:11:04 -0400

Hello,

I can't speak specifically on Hornet's InputSprocket support, but I do
know a little about InputSprockets in general.  InputSprockets are just
another API (application programming interface).  Any input device such
as a joystick or throttle which has InputSprocket support should be
supported by any application which uses the InputSprocket API.  So, it
should not matter whether the input device is a USB device or an ADB
device as long as both the game and the device support InputSprockets.
My FlightStick Pro plugged into my ABD port supports InputSprockets so I
can use it with any game which support InputSprockets.

Hope this helps.

Hiram



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From: Dale Bottrell <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cww) Korea GL
Date: 14 May 1999 10:46:38 z (MST)

I got the following from MacInTouch in reference to 8.6:

We've also received reports of similar 8.6 display problems with ixMicro Twin Turbo cards. Steve Schwarz was able overcome startup problems with the latest TwinTurbo driver:

"I thought your readers might be interested in a compatibility problem I ran into installing 8.6 on a Power Computing Power Tower Pro 250. Apple says 8.6 isn't supported on clones, but it seems to be running fine except for a problem with the ixMicro TwinTurbo 128 video board. When I first installed 8.6 and rebooted the machine would not complete the boot cycle. In addition, all fonts in the Finder were a meaningless blur. After some troubleshooting I isolated the problem to the ixMicro driver. Updating to the latest version (4.0.6) solves the problem."


You wrote:

> From: "Robert J. Richardson" <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail], [e-mail]
> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 23:13:54 -0400
> Subject: Re: (cww) Korea GL
>
>
> At 4:47 PM +0000 5/13/1999, Dale Bottrell wrote:
> >One thing seems to be that you can use 640x480 or 1024x768 but not 600x800
> >Have tried both 640x480 and 1024x768, but it appears that Korea is unable
> >to locate the 3D accelerator. I do have the ix3D Ultimate Rez card
> >installed in a PCI slot. Possibly the conflict is with ix3D as it moved
> >the Apple IX Graphics Accelerator extension to its "Moved System Files"
> >folder when it was installed.
> >You wrote:
> >
> >> From: "Robert J. Richardson" <[e-mail]>
> >> To: [e-mail]
> >> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 18:54:44 -0400
> >> Subject: (cww) Korea GL
> >>
> >>
> >> Could use some help from a Mac G3 user and GSC Korea flyer who has been
> >> able to get Korea GL to work properly.
>
>
>
>
>

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From: "Kirk" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cww) Hornet USB sprockets
Date: 14 May 1999 10:57:18 -0700

Hiram scrawled:
>I can't speak specifically on Hornet's InputSprocket support, but I do
>know a little about InputSprockets in general.  InputSprockets are just
>another API (application programming interface).  Any input device such
>as a joystick or throttle which has InputSprocket support should be
>supported by any application which uses the InputSprocket API.  So, it
>should not matter whether the input device is a USB device or an ADB
>device as long as both the game and the device support InputSprockets.
>My FlightStick Pro plugged into my ABD port supports InputSprockets so I
>can use it with any game which support InputSprockets.

Sounds good, OpenGl and Inputsprocket just made me a purchaser of Korea.  I
have CH fighterstick, pro throt and pedals and loath programming them thru
the CH control panels.

Any report on what sort of hardware Falcon 4 will require?

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From: Massimo Marino <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cww) Korea GL
Date: 14 May 1999 10:58:54 -0700

Hi there,

I do not have a dedicated graphic card and I run Korea GL on my PowerBook G3.
All works fine using all (and only) the graphical extensions as provided by
OS 8.6 and OpenGL as from after the update and installation, except that I
cannot have it in 1024x768: I only got a black screen with the game up and
running: I could start the engine and talk to the tower but I am "blind".
Works OK instead in the other two lower resolutions.

I had not to do any other action but updating to 8.6 and installing OpenGL
1.0 .

A warn here: the OpenGL beta were giving me real troubles will all
graphics: they did not work for me.

>At 4:47 PM +0000 5/13/1999, Dale Bottrell wrote:
>>One thing seems to be that you can use 640x480 or 1024x768 but not 600x800
>>Have tried both 640x480 and 1024x768, but it appears that Korea is unable
>>to locate the 3D accelerator. I do have the ix3D Ultimate Rez card
>>installed in a PCI slot. Possibly the conflict is with ix3D as it moved
>>the Apple IX Graphics Accelerator extension to its "Moved System Files"
>>folder when it was installed.
>>You wrote:
>>
>>> From: "Robert J. Richardson" <[e-mail]>
>>> To: [e-mail]
>>> Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 18:54:44 -0400
>>> Subject: (cww) Korea GL
>>>
>>>
>>> Could use some help from a Mac G3 user and GSC Korea flyer who has been
>>> able to get Korea GL to work properly.

       Lt. Commander Massimo "SeaHawk" Marino
               VFA-201st Dragons



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From: Hiram C. Wilson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cww) Korea GL
Date: 14 May 1999 14:13:55 -0400

Hello,

The problem you described sounds like a lack of VRAM.  I think most of
the PowerBook G3s have a Rage Pro LT chip with 4MB of VRAM.  At the 1024
x 764 res a large chunk of the VRAM would be used just for the screen
display and there probably is not enough left over for the 3D buffers.
You will have to limit yourself to the lower resolutions.  This is not a
driver bug or Hornet bug, it's a hardware limitation based on the amount
of VRAM for the 3D chip.

Hiram


In a message dated 5/14/99 1:58 PM, Massimo Marino wrote:

>Hi there,
>
>I do not have a dedicated graphic card and I run Korea GL on my PowerBook G3.
>All works fine using all (and only) the graphical extensions as provided by
>OS 8.6 and OpenGL as from after the update and installation, except that I
>cannot have it in 1024x768: I only got a black screen with the game up and
>running: I could start the engine and talk to the tower but I am "blind".
>Works OK instead in the other two lower resolutions.
>
>I had not to do any other action but updating to 8.6 and installing OpenGL
>1.0 .
>
>A warn here: the OpenGL beta were giving me real troubles will all
>graphics: they did not work for me.



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From: Massimo Marino <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cww) Korea GL
Date: 14 May 1999 11:19:03 -0700

Hi there,

Indeed I have the Rage Pro chip with 4MB. I think your guess is the correct
one. The sim works just fine in the other two lower res. Did not see
appreciable differences of speed between the two. It looks very nice and it
is a reliefs after months of flying in polygones world ;-)

>Hello,
>
>The problem you described sounds like a lack of VRAM.  I think most of
>the PowerBook G3s have a Rage Pro LT chip with 4MB of VRAM.  At the 1024
>x 764 res a large chunk of the VRAM would be used just for the screen
>display and there probably is not enough left over for the 3D buffers.
>You will have to limit yourself to the lower resolutions.  This is not a
>driver bug or Hornet bug, it's a hardware limitation based on the amount
>of VRAM for the 3D chip.
>
>Hiram
>
>
>In a message dated 5/14/99 1:58 PM, Massimo Marino wrote:
>
>>Hi there,
>>
>>I do not have a dedicated graphic card and I run Korea GL on my PowerBook G3.
>>All works fine using all (and only) the graphical extensions as provided by
>>OS 8.6 and OpenGL as from after the update and installation, except that I
>>cannot have it in 1024x768: I only got a black screen with the game up and
>>running: I could start the engine and talk to the tower but I am "blind".
>>Works OK instead in the other two lower resolutions.
>>
>>I had not to do any other action but updating to 8.6 and installing OpenGL
>>1.0 .
>>
>>A warn here: the OpenGL beta were giving me real troubles will all
>>graphics: they did not work for me.

       Lt. Commander Massimo "SeaHawk" Marino
               VFA-201st Dragons



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From: Nick Harman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cww) Korea GL
Date: 15 May 1999 10:06:02 +0100

Ok I have a grey g3/233 and ive shoved the extra vram in (so I could play
nanosaur, which I can and Quake 3 which I cant - the menu boxes have no
text:-(-)


I have the opengl drivers

So basically, if i d/l the korea patch I will see some kind of 3d??

Nick



>Hello,
>
>The problem you described sounds like a lack of VRAM.  I think most of
>the PowerBook G3s have a Rage Pro LT chip with 4MB of VRAM.  At the 1024
>x 764 res a large chunk of the VRAM would be used just for the screen
>display and there probably is not enough left over for the 3D buffers.
>You will have to limit yourself to the lower resolutions.  This is not a
>driver bug or Hornet bug, it's a hardware limitation based on the amount
>of VRAM for the 3D chip.
>
>Hiram
>
>
>In a message dated 5/14/99 1:58 PM, Massimo Marino wrote:
>
>>Hi there,
>>
>>I do not have a dedicated graphic card and I run Korea GL on my PowerBook G3.
>>All works fine using all (and only) the graphical extensions as provided by
>>OS 8.6 and OpenGL as from after the update and installation, except that I
>>cannot have it in 1024x768: I only got a black screen with the game up and
>>running: I could start the engine and talk to the tower but I am "blind".
>>Works OK instead in the other two lower resolutions.
>>
>>I had not to do any other action but updating to 8.6 and installing OpenGL
>>1.0 .
>>
>>A warn here: the OpenGL beta were giving me real troubles will all
>>graphics: they did not work for me.


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From: Nick Harman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cww) Korea GL hmm no workee
Date: 15 May 1999 11:52:13 +0100

Further to my own post. i downloaded glpatch

Started up in 1024. All landscape nicely 3d but dashboard only drawing
partially:-(

Tried 640, dash fine but black exterior. Side views reveal nice 3d landscape

Multiple bus errors and thus forced restarts:-(

6mb of vram installed. have tried various permutations in hornet prefs

Oh and that bloody sprokets is not letting me config the FCS the way I like
it:-(

Maybe g3/233 no longer up to job?


Nick (kokney)


Ok I have a grey g3/233 and ive shoved the extra vram in (so I could play
>nanosaur, which I can and Quake 3 which I cant - the menu boxes have no
>text:-(-)
>
>
>I have the opengl drivers
>
>So basically, if i d/l the korea patch I will see some kind of 3d??
>
>Nick
>
>
>
>>Hello,
>>
>>The problem you described sounds like a lack of VRAM.  I think most of
>>the PowerBook G3s have a Rage Pro LT chip with 4MB of VRAM.  At the 1024
>>x 764 res a large chunk of the VRAM would be used just for the screen
>>display and there probably is not enough left over for the 3D buffers.
>>You will have to limit yourself to the lower resolutions.  This is not a
>>driver bug or Hornet bug, it's a hardware limitation based on the amount
>>of VRAM for the 3D chip.
>>
>>Hiram
>>
>>
>>In a message dated 5/14/99 1:58 PM, Massimo Marino wrote:
>>
>>>Hi there,
>>>
>>>I do not have a dedicated graphic card and I run Korea GL on my
>>>PowerBook G3.
>>>All works fine using all (and only) the graphical extensions as provided by
>>>OS 8.6 and OpenGL as from after the update and installation, except that I
>>>cannot have it in 1024x768: I only got a black screen with the game up and
>>>running: I could start the engine and talk to the tower but I am "blind".
>>>Works OK instead in the other two lower resolutions.
>>>
>>>I had not to do any other action but updating to 8.6 and installing OpenGL
>>>1.0 .
>>>
>>>A warn here: the OpenGL beta were giving me real troubles will all
>>>graphics: they did not work for me.
>
>
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From: Hiram C. Wilson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cww) Korea GL hmm no workee
Date: 15 May 1999 11:44:53 -0400

Hello Nick,

You have the hardware (CPU, 3D chip and VRAM) to do the job.  There must
be some other problem.  You might want to try opening up your System
folder and throwing away everything with "ATI" in the name, then
reinstall OpenGL 1.0.  If virtual memory is off, you might try turning it
on or vice a versa.  Also check to see if your in thousands of colors
before starting the game, the ATI chips can handle 32-bit color but it
uses a lot more VRAM.  You might also want to try turning off any 3rd
party extensions or control panels.

Sorry I can't point to just one thing that is causing the problem.
You're machine should work very well for RAVE and OpenGL.  Have you tried
Flying Circus?  It doesn't use OpenGL, but it does use RAVE.  You can
download the demo here:

http://www.dogfightcity.com/mac/

Hiram


In a message dated 5/15/99 6:52 AM, Nick Harman wrote:

>Further to my own post. i downloaded glpatch
>
>Started up in 1024. All landscape nicely 3d but dashboard only drawing
>partially:-(
>
>Tried 640, dash fine but black exterior. Side views reveal nice 3d landscape
>
>Multiple bus errors and thus forced restarts:-(
>
>6mb of vram installed. have tried various permutations in hornet prefs
>
>Oh and that bloody sprokets is not letting me config the FCS the way I like
>it:-(
>
>Maybe g3/233 no longer up to job?
>
>
>Nick (kokney)



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From: Nick Harman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cww) Korea GL hmm no workee
Date: 15 May 1999 18:28:48 +0100

well i tried turning millions to 1000s but no effect

Are u sure about throwing all ATI stuff? I mean really sure? sounds a bit
dangerous to me. anyway turned em off and the fps fell to around 3!

If i command I in game then the dash disappears and the black surroundings
become visible scenery again although the HUD still has a black background
so its not very useful:-(

I have 96mb RAM installed but cant use VM as I only have 80MB HD space left
and so memory panel says i cant use VM

Yeh Ive used flying circus, not bad 3d but i prefer dawn of aces!

Nick


>Hello Nick,
>
>You have the hardware (CPU, 3D chip and VRAM) to do the job.  There must
>be some other problem.  You might want to try opening up your System
>folder and throwing away everything with "ATI" in the name, then
>reinstall OpenGL 1.0.  If virtual memory is off, you might try turning it
>on or vice a versa.  Also check to see if your in thousands of colors
>before starting the game, the ATI chips can handle 32-bit color but it
>uses a lot more VRAM.  You might also want to try turning off any 3rd
>party extensions or control panels.
>
>Sorry I can't point to just one thing that is causing the problem.
>You're machine should work very well for RAVE and OpenGL.  Have you tried
>Flying Circus?  It doesn't use OpenGL, but it does use RAVE.  You can
>download the demo here:
>
>http://www.dogfightcity.com/mac/
>
>Hiram
>
>
>In a message dated 5/15/99 6:52 AM, Nick Harman wrote:
>
>>Further to my own post. i downloaded glpatch
>>
>>Started up in 1024. All landscape nicely 3d but dashboard only drawing
>>partially:-(
>>
>>Tried 640, dash fine but black exterior. Side views reveal nice 3d landscape
>>
>>Multiple bus errors and thus forced restarts:-(
>>
>>6mb of vram installed. have tried various permutations in hornet prefs
>>
>>Oh and that bloody sprokets is not letting me config the FCS the way I like
>>it:-(
>>
>>Maybe g3/233 no longer up to job?
>>
>>
>>Nick (kokney)


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From: Hiram C. Wilson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cww) Korea GL hmm no workee
Date: 15 May 1999 14:26:54 -0400

Hi Nick,

If you're worried about throwing away the ATI extensions, try this
instead.  Create a new folder outside your System folder and move all of
the extensions with "ATI" in the name into this folder.  After you have
done this, reinstall the OpenGL 1.0 software.

Did you try increasing Hornet's memory partition?  It may help.  I still
think VM might be worth a try too, if you can free up enough disk space
to turn it on.

Is it possible that the VRAM chip you added isn't installed properly?  If
this is the case, your 3D chip would only be seeing 2MB of VRAM rather
than 6MB.  When I installed more VRAM on my 3D card it took me 3 tries to
get it right.  One clue that it's not seated right is if the metal
contacts on the edge of the the VRAM are still visible.

There is one software utility that should tell you if your added VRAM is
being recognized, I could send it to you if you would like.

Hiram


In a message dated 5/15/99 1:28 PM, Nick Harman wrote:

>well i tried turning millions to 1000s but no effect
>
>Are u sure about throwing all ATI stuff? I mean really sure? sounds a bit
>dangerous to me. anyway turned em off and the fps fell to around 3!
>
>If i command I in game then the dash disappears and the black surroundings
>become visible scenery again although the HUD still has a black background
>so its not very useful:-(
>
>I have 96mb RAM installed but cant use VM as I only have 80MB HD space left
>and so memory panel says i cant use VM
>
>Yeh Ive used flying circus, not bad 3d but i prefer dawn of aces!
>
>Nick



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From: Stephen Fox <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cww) Korea GL not working on iMac
Date: 16 May 1999 15:50:42 +1000

G'day guys,

I have a Rev.A iMac/233. I dl'd both Korea GL and OpenGL and have installed=
 both and it don't work.
I am getting an error saying the following;
* * * * * * * *
Error!
Korea is unable to load 3D drivers or is unable to locate your 3D=
 accelerator. You should reinstall the Glide drivers (for 3Dfx) or OpenGL=
 drivers (iMac/G3).
(Error code: '3Dfx/ATI')
* * * * * * * *
=46urther to this I only have 2MB VRAM in the iMac, and as I understand the=
 Rev A iMac has RageIIc and not RagePro. If I install more VRAM to 4MB or=
 6MB will it work? I would like to know before I go and purchase more VRAM=
 as I don't really want to waste my time and money if it ain't gonna do the =
job.

Any help would be appreciated.

And for what it's worth, I wish GSC would have at least tried to add TCP/IP=
 into this update and made it *really* worth while.

Cheers
Stephen Fox
=46oxOne



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From: Massimo Marino <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cww) Korea GL not working on iMac
Date: 15 May 1999 23:58:43 -0700

Hi Fox and G'day ;-)

I am maybe wrong but I think the Rage IIc was not in the list of chips
supported by the GL versiob (Rage Pro, Pro LT and Pro 128).
You should really be fixed whether is it a problem with lack of VRAM or a
problne related to not having the Rage Pro.

I had the installation going smoothly. I only can't get 1024x768 resolution
because I only have 4MB VRAM. Apart this it is a big difference from the
boxy polygones. I am doing again the Korea missions from the beginning and
I enjoy them a lot. Nice textures, especially the farthest horizon: looks
real.

A guy from GSC (Kevin I guess) whi also reply on their BB said that the
TCP/IP is next and this time it is scheduled and with manpower on it. He
said it could be matter of weeks. I cross my fingers but it is a matter of
weeks receiving Falcon 4.0 too so if they miss the appointment they will
also miss the train this time.

Cheers

>G'day guys,
>
>I have a Rev.A iMac/233. I dl'd both Korea GL and OpenGL and have
>installed both and it don't work.
>I am getting an error saying the following;
>* * * * * * * *
>Error!
>Korea is unable to load 3D drivers or is unable to locate your 3D
>accelerator. You should reinstall the Glide drivers (for 3Dfx) or OpenGL
>drivers (iMac/G3).
>(Error code: '3Dfx/ATI')
>* * * * * * * *
>Further to this I only have 2MB VRAM in the iMac, and as I understand the
>Rev A iMac has RageIIc and not RagePro. If I install more VRAM to 4MB or
>6MB will it work? I would like to know before I go and purchase more VRAM
>as I don't really want to waste my time and money if it ain't gonna do the
>job.
>
>Any help would be appreciated.
>
>And for what it's worth, I wish GSC would have at least tried to add
>TCP/IP into this update and made it *really* worth while.
>
>Cheers
>Stephen Fox
>FoxOne

       Lt. Commander Massimo "SeaHawk" Marino
               VFA-201st Dragons



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From: Nick Harman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cww) Korea GL hmm no workee
Date: 16 May 1999 11:01:24 +0100

Hi Hiram
>

>If you're worried about throwing away the ATI extensions, try this
>instead.  Create a new folder outside your System folder and move all of
>the extensions with "ATI" in the name into this folder.  After you have
>done this, reinstall the OpenGL 1.0 software.

Ill try



>
>Is it possible that the VRAM chip you added isn't installed properly?  If
>this is the case, your 3D chip would only be seeing 2MB of VRAM rather
>than 6MB.  When I installed more VRAM on my 3D card it took me 3 tries to
>get it right.  One clue that it's not seated right is if the metal
>contacts on the edge of the the VRAM are still visible.


It was a pig to install, certainly. I had to remove the sound card to get a
decent push at the card to locate it. Took several attempts. I am sure its
OK tho because before i couldnt play Nanosaur and now I can which suggest
the VRAM is operational.


>There is one software utility that should tell you if your added VRAM is
>being recognized, I could send it to you if you would like.


But yes, Id like to make sure, please do send.

Thanks

Nick




>
>Hiram
>
>
>In a message dated 5/15/99 1:28 PM, Nick Harman wrote:
>
>>well i tried turning millions to 1000s but no effect
>>
>>Are u sure about throwing all ATI stuff? I mean really sure? sounds a bit
>>dangerous to me. anyway turned em off and the fps fell to around 3!
>>
>>If i command I in game then the dash disappears and the black surroundings
>>become visible scenery again although the HUD still has a black background
>>so its not very useful:-(
>>
>>I have 96mb RAM installed but cant use VM as I only have 80MB HD space left
>>and so memory panel says i cant use VM
>>
>>Yeh Ive used flying circus, not bad 3d but i prefer dawn of aces!
>>
>>Nick


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From: "Richard Roberts" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cww) Korea GL not working on iMac
Date: 16 May 1999 14:27:27 +0200

Rage II is supported by OPenGL and according to GSC KoreaGL supports all
cards that are supported by OPenGL.

Just my two bits.

Cardo

----------
>From: Massimo Marino <[e-mail]>
>To: [e-mail]
>Subject: Re: (cww) Korea GL not working on iMac
>Date: Sun, May 16, 1999, 8:58 am
>

> Hi Fox and G'day ;-)
>
> I am maybe wrong but I think the Rage IIc was not in the list of chips
> supported by the GL versiob (Rage Pro, Pro LT and Pro 128).
> You should really be fixed whether is it a problem with lack of VRAM or a
> problne related to not having the Rage Pro.
>
> I had the installation going smoothly. I only can't get 1024x768 resolution
> because I only have 4MB VRAM. Apart this it is a big difference from the
> boxy polygones. I am doing again the Korea missions from the beginning and
> I enjoy them a lot. Nice textures, especially the farthest horizon: looks
> real.
>
> A guy from GSC (Kevin I guess) whi also reply on their BB said that the
> TCP/IP is next and this time it is scheduled and with manpower on it. He
> said it could be matter of weeks. I cross my fingers but it is a matter of
> weeks receiving Falcon 4.0 too so if they miss the appointment they will
> also miss the train this time.
>
> Cheers
>
>>G'day guys,
>>
>>I have a Rev.A iMac/233. I dl'd both Korea GL and OpenGL and have
>>installed both and it don't work.
>>I am getting an error saying the following;
>>* * * * * * * *
>>Error!
>>Korea is unable to load 3D drivers or is unable to locate your 3D
>>accelerator. You should reinstall the Glide drivers (for 3Dfx) or OpenGL
>>drivers (iMac/G3).
>>(Error code: '3Dfx/ATI')
>>* * * * * * * *
>>Further to this I only have 2MB VRAM in the iMac, and as I understand the
>>Rev A iMac has RageIIc and not RagePro. If I install more VRAM to 4MB or
>>6MB will it work? I would like to know before I go and purchase more VRAM
>>as I don't really want to waste my time and money if it ain't gonna do the
>>job.
>>
>>Any help would be appreciated.
>>
>>And for what it's worth, I wish GSC would have at least tried to add
>>TCP/IP into this update and made it *really* worth while.
>>
>>Cheers
>>Stephen Fox
>>FoxOne
>
>        Lt. Commander Massimo "SeaHawk" Marino
>             VFA-201st Dragons
>



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From: "Robert J. Richardson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cww) Korea GL not working on iMac
Date: 16 May 1999 12:44:15 -0400

At 3:50 PM +1000 5/16/1999, Stephen Fox wrote:
>G'day guys,
>
>I have a Rev.A iMac/233. I dl'd both Korea GL and OpenGL and have
>installed both and it don't work.
>I am getting an error saying the following;
>* * * * * * * *
>Error!
>Korea is unable to load 3D drivers or is unable to locate your 3D
>accelerator. You should reinstall the Glide drivers (for 3Dfx) or OpenGL
>drivers (iMac/G3).
>(Error code: '3Dfx/ATI')
>* * * * * * * *
>Further to this I only have 2MB VRAM in the iMac, and as I understand the
>Rev A iMac has RageIIc and not RagePro. If I install more VRAM to 4MB or
>6MB will it work? I would like to know before I go and purchase more VRAM
>as I don't really want to waste my time and money if it ain't gonna do the
>job.
>
>Any help would be appreciated.
>
>And for what it's worth, I wish GSC would have at least tried to add
>TCP/IP into this update and made it *really* worth while.
>
>Cheers
>Stephen Fox
>FoxOne
Stephen. I'm getting exactly the same message when I try to fly Korea GL.
I've reinstalled OpenGL and even downloaded and reinstalled GSC's Korea GL
package. I have a G3/233 Power Mac with 64 Megs of RAM. I'm not sure about
my VRAM as I have no way to measure it, but I can play Tomb Raider, fly
Flying Circus, etc. with no problems. I removed my ix3D graphics
accelerator PCI card thinking that might be causing the conflict. Still no
go with Korea GL. Am I missing something in Apple's OpenGL? I also put
Conflict Catcher in a disabled folder as well as RamDoubler and reverted to
Extensions Manager. When I made the latter active I got the message that
ATI Video Memory Manager was missing. Do I need this to make Korea GL
flyable? Hope GSC is taking a look at our messages.

Bob





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From: Nick Harman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cww) Korea GL not working on iMac
Date: 16 May 1999 18:08:50 +0100

x
>>FoxOne
>Stephen. I'm getting exactly the same message when I try to fly Korea GL.
>I've reinstalled OpenGL and even downloaded and reinstalled GSC's Korea GL
>package. I have a G3/233 Power Mac with 64 Megs of RAM. I'm not sure about
>my VRAM as I have no way to measure it, but I can play Tomb Raider, fly
>Flying Circus, etc. with no problems. I removed my ix3D graphics
>accelerator PCI card thinking that might be causing the conflict. Still no
>go with Korea GL. Am I missing something in Apple's OpenGL? I also put
>Conflict Catcher in a disabled folder as well as RamDoubler and reverted to
>Extensions Manager. When I made the latter active I got the message that
>ATI Video Memory Manager was missing. Do I need this to make Korea GL
>flyable? Hope GSC is taking a look at our messages.
>
>Bob

Bob

I too have a g3/233 but you need the extra VRAM installed Im afraid. The
fact you can play TR and FC is no indication. Try nanosaur for example and
youll get nowhere.

Mind U, I have the extra vram and cant get koreagl up properly, the
dashboard draws but the world outside is black. Killing the dash gives me a
nice 3d world but the hud is on a black background:-(

So basically the first thing you need is that extra vram. Then you can
really start scratching your head:-)

Nick


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From: Massimo Marino <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cww) Korea GL not working on iMac
Date: 16 May 1999 16:01:08 -0700

Hi there,

I run in a PB G3-266 with Rage Pro 4MB VRAM andKorea GL works fine up to
800x600.

If the G3-233 runs with a 2MB VRAM and Rage II is supported (thanks Richard
Roberts) then the only requirement seems to get the 2MB VRAM missing.

I run 8.6 and OpenGL 1.0 . Did not do anyhting additional to have Korea GL
working. I also have Conflict Catcher, Ram Doubler and Speed Doubler.

Hope you'll get it working: it is really nice.


>x
>>>FoxOne
>>Stephen. I'm getting exactly the same message when I try to fly Korea GL.
>>I've reinstalled OpenGL and even downloaded and reinstalled GSC's Korea GL
>>package. I have a G3/233 Power Mac with 64 Megs of RAM. I'm not sure about
>>my VRAM as I have no way to measure it, but I can play Tomb Raider, fly
>>Flying Circus, etc. with no problems. I removed my ix3D graphics
>>accelerator PCI card thinking that might be causing the conflict. Still no
>>go with Korea GL. Am I missing something in Apple's OpenGL? I also put
>>Conflict Catcher in a disabled folder as well as RamDoubler and reverted to
>>Extensions Manager. When I made the latter active I got the message that
>>ATI Video Memory Manager was missing. Do I need this to make Korea GL
>>flyable? Hope GSC is taking a look at our messages.
>>
>>Bob
>
>Bob
>
>I too have a g3/233 but you need the extra VRAM installed Im afraid. The
>fact you can play TR and FC is no indication. Try nanosaur for example and
>youll get nowhere.
>
>Mind U, I have the extra vram and cant get koreagl up properly, the
>dashboard draws but the world outside is black. Killing the dash gives me a
>nice 3d world but the hud is on a black background:-(
>
>So basically the first thing you need is that extra vram. Then you can
>really start scratching your head:-)
>
>Nick
>
>
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From: Hiram C. Wilson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cww) Korea GL not working
Date: 16 May 1999 20:23:26 -0400

Hello all,

Any iMac or beige G3 can be upgraded to 6MB of VRAM, if it doesn't
already have that much.  In general, the more VRAM the better.

The Rev A iMacs use a version of the Rage II chip and come with 2MB of
VRAM which can be upgraded to 6MB.  The Rev B,C and D iMacs come with a
version of the Rage Pro chip and include 6MB of VRAM (the max for these
machines).

The beige G3s come with either the Rage Pro or Rage II chip.  The easiest
way to tell is to simply open the case and look for a chip with the word
"Rage" printed on it.  It will say either Rage II or Rage Pro.  The beige
G3s can be upgrade to 6MB of VRAM.

Nick is right; a few games do support 3D accelerators with only 2MB of
VRAM.  The special version of Nanosaur that comes with the iMac is one
example, some others are Havoc, HotCarts and Flying Circus.  The regular
version of Nanosaur (which requires 4MB of VRAM) is a good test to see if
you have 4MB or more of VRAM.  If it runs, you have at least 4MB of RAM.
Extra VRAM is cheap, you can add 4MB of VRAM (for a total of 6MB) for
about $25.  Check here for some prices:

http://www.datamem.com/

For those of you with 6MB of VRAM who are having problems with HornetGL,
my guess is that you also have the Rage II chip.  I would also guess that
HornetGL, by design or by accident, is not properly supporting the Rage
II chip with Apple's OpenGL drivers.  If you haven't already, you will
need to contact the GSC directly and ask them about the problem.

Hiram




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From: "Robert J. Richardson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cww) VRAM for Korea GL
Date: 16 May 1999 23:04:30 -0400

I have the ix3D Ultimate Rez card installed in a PCI slot that offers 8
megs of EDO RAM. Is this RAM important in successfully flying Korea GL on a
G3/233 Mac? I've installed Open GL several times as well as the Korea GL
update and still get this error message: 3Dfx/ATI. I had a Best Data
Arcadefx card  ($49.95 special!) giving me astonishing 3D detail in the
original Korea program with the ixMICRO card disabled and got great
terrain, etc., with only the 2 megs of VRAM that came with my G3 (I was
advised by Best Data that their 3Dfx card could not function with the
Ultimate Rez card installed. I'm hoping GSC will address similar problems
to mine in not being able to fly Korea GL.
Bob





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From: Hiram C. Wilson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cww) VRAM for Korea GL
Date: 16 May 1999 23:30:05 -0400

Bob,

Any program using the 3D chip built into your G3 will only be accelerated
if you have a monitor connect to the built-in video port.  So if you're
monitor is connect to your Ultimate Rez card instead of the built-in
video port, you will not get 3D acceleration.  You need to have a monitor
connected to the built-in video port in order to use the on board 3D
chip.  The VRAM I spoke of before needed be on board VRAM in this case.
The VRAM for your Ultimate Rez card does not count towards the VRAM
available for your on board 3D chip.  Does that make sense?  I'm not sure
I'm explaining it well.

You and I talked about your situation before.  I think the Rage 128 VR
card will be just what you want: fast 2D, fast 3D and video capture and
output.  I'm still planning on getting one of these myself and I think
the wait is almost over.  I still expect them to ship before the end of
this month (or the first week in June at the latest).

Hiram


In a message dated 5/16/99 11:04 PM, Robert J. Richardson wrote:

>I have the ix3D Ultimate Rez card installed in a PCI slot that offers 8
>megs of EDO RAM. Is this RAM important in successfully flying Korea GL on a
>G3/233 Mac? I've installed Open GL several times as well as the Korea GL
>update and still get this error message: 3Dfx/ATI. I had a Best Data
>Arcadefx card  ($49.95 special!) giving me astonishing 3D detail in the
>original Korea program with the ixMICRO card disabled and got great
>terrain, etc., with only the 2 megs of VRAM that came with my G3 (I was
>advised by Best Data that their 3Dfx card could not function with the
>Ultimate Rez card installed. I'm hoping GSC will address similar problems
>to mine in not being able to fly Korea GL.
>Bob



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From: "Robert J. Richardson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cww) VRAM for Korea GL
Date: 16 May 1999 23:43:44 -0400

At 11:30 PM -0400 5/16/1999, Hiram C. Wilson wrote:
>Bob,
>
>Any program using the 3D chip built into your G3 will only be accelerated
>if you have a monitor connect to the built-in video port.  So if you're
>monitor is connect to your Ultimate Rez card instead of the built-in
>video port, you will not get 3D acceleration.  You need to have a monitor
>connected to the built-in video port in order to use the on board 3D
>chip.  The VRAM I spoke of before needed be on board VRAM in this case.
>The VRAM for your Ultimate Rez card does not count towards the VRAM
>available for your on board 3D chip.  Does that make sense?  I'm not sure
>I'm explaining it well.
>
>You and I talked about your situation before.  I think the Rage 128 VR
>card will be just what you want: fast 2D, fast 3D and video capture and
>output.  I'm still planning on getting one of these myself and I think
>the wait is almost over.  I still expect them to ship before the end of
>this month (or the first week in June at the latest).
>
>Hiram
>
>It does make sense and I, too, am looking forward to the new 16MB Rage
>128VR card. Got a message from MacMall yesterday and they said the card
>would ship withing the next three weeks. Until then, I guess I'll have to
>put my F/A-18 in the hangar. I've been flying GSC sims since the first
>Hellcat sim hit the streets. Thanks again for clearing up the fact that
>the Ultimate Rez card is not the answer for more VRAM.
Bob





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From: Stephen Fox <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cww) Update on Korea GL not working on iMac
Date: 17 May 1999 21:42:39 +1000

G'day again guys,

OK, I went and got an extra 4MB of VRAM and I now have 6MB in total in the iMac/233 Rev.A.

It still don't work. Tried reinstalling everything but to no avail. :(

Just thought I'd let yas know. I'll try and get an answer from GSC.

Cheers
Stephen Fox
FoxOne



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From: Nick Harman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cww) Update on Korea GL not working on iMac
Date: 17 May 1999 14:01:25 +0100

join the club

Ive shoved 4 extra mb of vram in my beige g3/233 but all I get is a black
world outside of an admittedly sexy looking cockpit. Sometimes I get the 3d
world and a half drawn cockpit. It seems to me that my mac cant draw both
cockpit and world successfully:-(

Guess opengl is to blame. Anyways who cares about korea 3d, I never enjoyed
flying a computer anyway. where's my warbirds/doa 3d patch dammit!

:-)








>G'day again guys,
>
>OK, I went and got an extra 4MB of VRAM and I now have 6MB in total in the
>iMac/233 Rev.A.
>
>It still don't work. Tried reinstalling everything but to no avail. :(
>
>Just thought I'd let yas know. I'll try and get an answer from GSC.
>
>Cheers
>Stephen Fox
>FoxOne


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From: Massimo Marino <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cww) Update on Korea GL not working on iMac
Date: 17 May 1999 10:33:02 -0700

Apparently it is due to the fact that Rage IIc is not entirely (well)
supported. I have a g3/266 with Rage Pro LT 4 MB VRAM and it works just
fine. OpenGL libs are working OK as the new ATI drives from 8.6 and I
believe they are not to blame for Korea GL not working.

My small 2 cents would suggest to get in touch with GSC and have them aware
of the problem with Rage IIc.

       Lt. Commander Massimo "SeaHawk" Marino
               VFA-201st Dragons



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From: "Richard Roberts" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cww) Update on Korea GL not working on iMac
Date: 17 May 1999 22:25:30 +0200

Hey there everyone.

I've got a PB G3/233 with the old rage II chipset.  I don't have Korea but I
do have the Q3test.  With the first OpenGL 1b1 drivers everything worked
fine.  But when I got the new 1.0 drivers Quake came up with a "Unable to
load OpenGL drivers".  Seems to be a bug with Apple's latest OpenGL.  If any
of you wanna give the 1b1 drivers a go and can't find 'em on the net lemme
know and I'll send 'em or put them up on an ftp site.

Laters all

Cardo

----------
>From: Massimo Marino <[e-mail]>
>To: [e-mail]
>Subject: Re: (cww) Update on Korea GL not working on iMac
>Date: Mon, May 17, 1999, 7:33 pm
>

> Apparently it is due to the fact that Rage IIc is not entirely (well)
> supported. I have a g3/266 with Rage Pro LT 4 MB VRAM and it works just
> fine. OpenGL libs are working OK as the new ATI drives from 8.6 and I
> believe they are not to blame for Korea GL not working.
>
> My small 2 cents would suggest to get in touch with GSC and have them aware
> of the problem with Rage IIc.
>
>        Lt. Commander Massimo "SeaHawk" Marino
>             VFA-201st Dragons
>



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From: Dale <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cww) CWW Message Board
Date: 17 May 1999 20:22:28 -0700

I am repositioning the CWW message aboard away from strictly ladder
material towards a more general flightsim orientation for both Mac and PC.
In part this is due to GSC. While not immediate, there will be a shift away
from Hornet to the PC ports when they are released and the Mac people don't
have a place to really go. The GSC board has been home to them for a long
time and they will need an alternative.

This message board will be an entity of itself. The CWW and FSCombat
listservers will remain and operate in parallel to the message board. And
the board will be open to anyone in the flightsim community, Mac or PC.
This is especially relevant with the coming of Falcon 4 and the ability of
Mac and PC users to beat up on one another directly. The message board will
be about flightsims, all flightsims, not just Falcon 4. And if necessary, I
will spin off new message boards to meet the need

It's a board for the flightsim community

Dale
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From: Dale <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cww) CWW Message Board II
Date: 17 May 1999 20:56:29 -0700

Screwed up

http://www.xmission.com/~thon/BBS/FSGC/board.cgi

Dale
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From: Dale Bottrell <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cww) Deep Space Topic
Date: 18 May 1999 10:02:02 z (MST)

From MacCentral

Macs, SETI, and ET
by Dennis Sellers, [e-mail]
May 18, 1999, 7:30 am ET


Hey, Mac users, check out the SETI@home project that uses home computers to assist researchers in the search for extraterrestrial intelligence. Statistics available at the SETI statistics Web site) show the Mac OS at number three on the most-used list, but the Mac community can do even better.

SETI@home is a scientific experiment that will harness the power of hundreds of thousands of Internet-connected computers in the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence (SETI). You can participate by running a program that downloads and analyzes radio telescope data. There's a small but captivating possibility that your computer will detect the faint murmur of a civilization beyond Earth, say the SETI folks.

For more info or to download software, go to http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/. (Thanks to Rick Wiggins for alerting us to this tidbit.)


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From: Dale <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cww) Falcon 4 Requirements
Date: 19 May 1999 12:30:33 -0700

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FYI, I received permission from MacSoft to post the System Requirements
for Falcon 4.0 Mac.  I'm not sure if this is what ended up on the F4 box
(MacSoft may have tweaked the numbers a bit), but these were the early
recommendations.  Hope this helps!

Minimum                     Recommended                  Really Hot
-------                     -----------                  ----------
200 MHz 603e                233 Mhz 604e                 300 Mhz (or
faster) G3
256k L2 cache               512k L2 cache                1 MB 2:1
backside cache
3Dfx Voodoo I or           3Dfx Voodoo II, 3Dfx Banshee,ATI Rage Pro or ATI
Rage 128
32 MB of RAM                64 MB of RAM                 128 MB of RAM
MacOS 7.5.3                 MacOS 8.1                    MacOS 8.5.1
4x CD-ROM                   8x CD-ROM                    24x CD-ROM
175 MB of HD space      375 MB of HD space           600 MB of HD space
Joystick                    Joystick w/ throttle         Joystick w/
throttle and rudders

Falcon 4.0 requires a monitor and video card capable of running at least
800x600 resolution in Thousands of colors.

Multiplayer Options
-------------------
28.8 kbs modem or faster connection
TCP/IP protocol via an Internet Service Provider (ISP) or Local Area
Network (LAN).

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From: Dale Bottrell <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cww) ATI 128
Date: 21 May 1999 14:57:41 z (MST)

Anyone know if the ATI 128 cards have begun to ship yet? And which one would be best for use with Falcon 4?

Dale

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From: Hiram C. Wilson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cww) ATI 128
Date: 21 May 1999 18:19:46 -0400

Hello Dale,

No one has them in stock, yet.  The quote below is from
<http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/>.  The Deanna who wrote the message is not
the ship's counselor on board the Enterprise; she is an employee of ATI.

             "Hi Mike,
             I have more details on ship dates;

             Initial shipments of the RAGE 128 boards will begin
             from Toronto in the last week May. Additional
             production runs will made in the first two weeks
             June and shipped immediately to fulfill backorders.

             I hope this information is of some help. I will do my
             best to keep you and your readers aware of any
             changes if they arise.
             Regards,
             Deanna "

There are 3 models of Rage 128 cards for the Mac.  They are all the same
in terms of 2D/3D speed so all of them will be great for Falcon 4.0 or
other 3D accelerated games or applications.

1- Orion= 16MB of VRAM plus some games are bundled with it.
2- Xclaim VR 128= 16MB of VRAM, video capture and output, TV tuner, no
bundled games.
3- Nexus 128= 32MB of VRAM, no bundled games.

I have the Xclaim VR 128 on order from Buy.com.  I think it is the best
value of the 3 cards.  The video capture and output along with TV tuner
will add some some nice "A/V" features to any Mac.  It costs only a
little more than the Orion.

Here's a direct link to it at Buy.com:

http://www.buy.com/comp/product.asp?SKU=10006069

Have a good day,

Hiram


In a message dated 5/21/99 2:57 PM, Dale Bottrell wrote:

>Anyone know if the ATI 128 cards have begun to ship yet? And which one
>would be best for use with Falcon 4?
>
>Dale



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From: Dale <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cww) Deactivation of CMAW
Date: 22 May 1999 23:03:18 -0700

The first squadron of what was to eventually become the 1st Cyber Marine
Air Wing (CMAW) was formed approximately 7 years ago this June 1. That
squadron was headed by Impactt. We basically flipped a coin and agreed he
would be the the CO. In turn, when we were more successful then we thought
we would be, a second squadron was started that I was the CO of. The idea
was organize the Mac flightsim community and bring people together. It
worked. Everyone wanted to start a squadron or be part of one. Impactt and
I approached Tom Morrison to be the CO of the next step, organizing the
squadrons into a group. He agreed and lent his name and his reputation to
taking the organizing farther.

What became CMAW was more successful then was initially imagined. Some of
what happened was never anticipated, some was if you read history. The
splintering of CMAW was not only allowed for but planned for. The knowledge
of this came from the history of the Christian church with it's
splinterings and sub-splinterings. It was felt that all the "eggs" could
not be kept in one basket and competing organizations must form to preserve
one idea....advancing the cause of the individual through a group voice.
And along the way there was some sniping, bickering bad feelings and all
the associated human elements. This was the stuff of human nature and
study. And it wouldn't surprise me to see it written up some day. All of my
comments thru the years should be regarded as copyrighted and not for use
without my approval :)

CMAW was never meant to be forever. Empire follows the sun and the sun has
set on CMAW. It is too closely linked to GSC's Hornet and the sun is
setting on Hornet finally. Plans were made to make the transition, but it
took too long for the next stage to get here. The next stage being Falcon
4. CMAW is also too closely associated with the TOE of the USMC. It seems
to inhibit people from creating new CMAW squadrons with aircraft not
associated with the Marines.

I have already had some discussions with 2 Group of CMAW and they are
deactivating at this time, too. I haven't heard from 1 Group, but I would
expect the same. Everyone that wishes to will remain members of the CWW

CMAW's day has come and gone. But it not with any sadness that I announce
that. It is with a sense of deep satisfaction. I started all of it, but it
only continued with the help of a lot of great people in spite of some
doomsayers. If you look around now, there is an organized Mac flightsim
community. That is CMAW's legacy and it belongs to everyone. But most of
all it belongs to Tom Morrison because he cared about flightsims and
because he is the most decent person I know.

Dale



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From: Dale <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cww) Fwd: [F4] Keyboard Control Cover for Falcon 4.
Date: 22 May 1999 23:05:31 -0700

>From: "Dr. Guillermo A. Morales" <[e-mail]>
>To: "Falcon4" <[e-mail]>
>Subject: [F4] Keyboard Control Cover for Falcon 4.
>Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 01:41:50 -0400
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
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>
>Heads up gang!
>
>I just got word from The Cockpit Collection that they have just released a
>Keyboard Control Cover for Falcon 4!!!
>
>If you're interested go to www.cockpitcollection.com and check it out. I've
>attached below the e-mail they sent me.
>
>By the way, I don't work for this company nor I am affiliated to them in any
>way. I'm just a Falcon4 lover and I thought you'd be interested in this.
>
>Happy Flying!!!
>
>G-man.
>---------------------
>
>
>NEWS RELEASE - 05.20.99
>
>Subject: New "Skin" Pricing and "Lay It and Play It" 3 Pack
>
>Cockpit Collection Ltd, the makers of revolutionary new Keyboard Control
>Covers that make games immediately playable is pleased to announce new
>product releases, new single "skin" pricing, 3 Pack and adhesives.
>
>New Keyboard Control Covers Available - Now available are the highly in
>demand covers for Falcon 4, and F15.
>
>New single "skin" pricing - Today Cockpit Collection Ltd. announced the new
>price of a single "skin" being reduced to $14.95 US$ each. This reduction in
>pricing is largely due to the company's continued measurement and adjustment
>of its unique patent pending manufacturing process.
>
>New "Lay It and Play It" 3 Pack - The company has answered numerous customer
>inquiries requesting a multiple purchase package of Keyboard Control Covers
>or "skins". The unique "Lay It and Play It" 3 Pack will give multiple game
>users who purchase 3 "skins" at the same time a special price of $29.95 US$
>for the 3 Pack.
>
>Double Sided Adhesives Included - Despite the fact that our covers are
>designed to provide immediate usability, we are now delivering them to you
>with highly durable double-sided transparent adhesives to eliminate any
>possible "skin" movement while playing.
>
>The revolutionary design of the Keyboard Control Cover allow players to
>simply place the "skin" over the keyboard and take off! There's no learning
>curve. No set-up or configuration required.
>Made of high quality, durable plastic, our proprietary moulded "skin" fits
>any standard (not ergonomic) PC keyboard. The control panel switches and
>buttons are automatically positioned above the appropriate keys, eliminating
>the need to remember countless functions.
>
>Not only do Cockpit Collection Keyboard Control Covers improve the
>accessibility of the game, but the realistic "look" of the control panel
>complements the game - transforming the keyboard into a cockpit in seconds!
>The company has available Keyboard Control Covers for the below flight
>simulators with designers working on 20 more plus children, adventure,
>educational/learning and strategy games.
>Falcon 4.0
>F15
>Comanche
>Longbow
>MS Combat Flight Simulator
>MS Flight Simulator
>F-22 ADF - Total Air War
>
>The gaming experience will never be the same. For a list of available
>titles, new ones in development, customization possibilities and more
>information on Cockpit Collection, visit www.cockpitcollection.com. And
>prepare for take off!
>
>Thank you
>
>Neil
>
>Neil W.Humphrey
>Marketing & Sales
>Cockpit Collection Ltd.
>
>Web Site: www.cockpitcollection.com
>E-mail: [e-mail]
>
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>ICQ: 22731651
>
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From: Dale <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cww) Will/do separate USB controllers work together
Date: 23 May 1999 20:50:08 -0700

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In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Lee39206) wrote:

> Todd Wilson <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> > if you have a USB joystick plugged into one USB port, and a throttle
> > controller (even from a different manufacturer) plugged into another USB
> >  port, is there any reason you shouldn't be able to use them together?
>
> Todd, forgive me for piggy-backing a similar question with yours. I hate when
> people do that in the group and divert attention away from the original post.
>
> Todd was talking about using two USB devices, but if you can't answer his,
> maybe you can answer this one. What about using two ADB devices (on ADB
Macs of
> course) with sprocket sims. Like CH Pro Pedals and a Gravis Firebird stick. I
> know for a fact this particular combo didn't work with Hornet 3 (which
wasn't a
> sprocket sim). But, now with sprocket sims, maybe it would?

Using InputSprocket you can combine anything you want. In fact you can
even use ADB and USB devices together if they have ISp drivers and the
game uses ISp. To have USB and ADB on one machine you have to have a B&W
G3, an older Power with a USB board or an iMac with Griffins iMate.

On Hornet 3 you can only use devices of one brand together. I heard GSC
has revved Korea to use OpenGL and ISp, but have not tried it.



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From: Nick Harman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cww) korea gl
Date: 24 May 1999 07:59:30 +0100

I updated my open gl with opengl1.0

Before I only got half a picture, with the new opengl I get an ati error
message on 'fly' and so cant proceed

sigh........


Nick

nick_harman copywriting
Tel: [phone]
Fax:  [phone]
Mobile [phone]
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http://www.copycom.demon.co.uk






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From: Dale Bottrell <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cww) Fly!
Date: 24 May 1999 10:33:28 z (MST)

Leaddog was asking about this. It is taken from MacGamers Ledge:

Fly! nears release:
Last week the official Fly! web site was updated with the latest information on the development of this amazing flight sim from Terminal Reality/Gathering of Developers. Here's the goods:
We are pleased to announce that Fly! has reached a code complete status. We anticipate shipping Fly! in the next eight weeks pending resolution of compatibility issues and bug corrections. We value and appreciate your patience as we prepare to launch the next generation in general aviation flight products.
In addition to this news, four Fly! desktop pictures have been posted at the web site. Each come in three different sizes: 1024x768, 800x600, and 640x480.

http://www.iflytri.com/

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From: Dale Bottrell <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cww) Falcon 4 shipping
Date: 24 May 1999 10:42:14 z (MST)

This is taken from MacGamers Ledge

Mac Falcon 4.0 now shipping:
 MGL reader Steve Freitas notified us that he received word from the GT Store, where he had pre-ordered Mac Falcon 4.0, that the title had been shipped out to him. The game should be appearing on store shelves and shipping from mail order companies within the next few days. We'll keep you updated as we get more information.

http://www.gtstore.com/

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From: Dale Bottrell <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cww) Macgaming.com: OpenGL support and 3Dfx cards explained
Date: 24 May 1999 12:26:55 z (MST)

OpenGL support and 3Dfx cards explained
by Peter Cohen, [e-mail]
May 22, 1999, 1:45 am ET


Judging from the email and forum posts we've been fielding since Apple's announcement about the release of OpenGL for Mac last week, many users of cards based on 3Dfx Interactive's chipsets (Voodoo Graphics, Voodoo2, Voodoo Banshee) are curious about how their cards will work with the new 3D API. There's good news and there's bad news, so read on!

First of all, what is OpenGL? It's a 3D graphics technology that's fairly new to Mac users. Although it's been around the industry (and has been used on Macs) for a while in different forms, Apple used the recent World Wide Developers Conference as the forum to introduce the official public release of OpenGL 1.0 for the Mac. OpenGL can be downloaded freely from Apple's Web site. OpenGL provides a more platform-independent way of defining 3D graphics than had previously been available on the Macintosh- Apple's hope is that the adoption of OpenGL will provide an impetus for PC game and application developers to create products for the Mac platform. X-Plane and Q3 Test are probably the highest-profile examples of games that have been developed to take advantage of OpenGL on the Mac; other examples include GSC's recently updated Hornet: Korea and the Mac version of Quake II (currently in final development by Logicware).

The bad news for 3Dfx card owners: so far, Apple's implementation of OpenGL is designed specifically to support graphics subsystems based on ATI's RAGE graphics acceleration architecture. ATI is Apple's OEM supplier of graphics systems for the Power Mac, PowerBook and iMac lines. Unfortunately, at least for now, this leaves users who have added 3Dfx cards to their Macs out of the "official" loop. 3Dfx card makers are waiting for Apple to release an OpenGL Driver Development Kit (DDK) so they can build OpenGL drivers for their own cards.

The good news: there is alternative for 3Dfx users called Mesa. Mesa is a 3D library that uses an OpenGL-like API. Unlike Apple's own OpenGL 1.0, Mesa supports graphics acceleration with cards based on 3Dfx's Voodoo chipsets, making it a viable alternative for Mac users of Voodoo cards. Originally developed by Brian Paul, Mesa has been ported to the Macintosh by Mikl≤s Fazekas. Fazekas continues to refine and improve Mesa for MacOS, and has produced libraries that optimize Mesa for use with X-Plane and with Q3 Test.

So, if you're a Voodoo card owner and you're anxious to get your hardware working with Q3 Test, X-Plane and other OpenGL-compatible software, visit the Mesa Web page. And we'll continue to provide you with more details about official OpenGL drivers for 3Dfx cards as info becomes available.


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From: Dale <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cww) F4 Patch
Date: 25 May 1999 20:00:44 -0700

From the flightsim newsgroup. To be posted on the CWW message board

Philbert <[e-mail]> wrote:

> The first patch for Falcon 4.0 Mac is now avaialble at the Westlake (and
> soon MacSoft) web site.  It fixes a few minor problems we didn't catch
> until after the Gold Master CD was sent off to duplication.

ROFL!

A patch on the day the thing ships? Yoiks!

Congrats, Phil - this is impressive service.

--
Jonathan Sanderson     <http://www.quern.demon.co.uk/jonathan>
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From: Dale Bottrell <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cww) Mac F4 patch
Date: 26 May 1999 16:01:17 z (MST)

From MacGamersLedge

Falcon 4.0 updated to 1.0.6a:

Westlake Interactive has released a patch for Mac Falcon 4.0 just as the title is hitting store shelves. It fixes some minor bugs that were found after the GM CD was sent off for duplication (I can say first-hand that project leader Phil Sulak was steamed that he missed 'em).

Fixes include keeping your plane from randomly exploding on the runway when certain game options are turned on, occasional hangs when launching the game, and some MFD clipping problems.

[For those of you using #hornet or #falcon4, type !files to get the patch from a bot - Dale]

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From: "Robert J. Richardson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cww) Mac Falcon 4.0
Date: 27 May 1999 21:20:42 -0400

I couldn't get Falcon 4.0 to load for various reasons. No. 1 is that you
must have Sound Manager installed. Even if you have QuickTime 4.0, you must
download QuickTime from the Falcon folder. Then do a custom install and
select only Sound Manager. This will put the SoundLib extension in your
Extensions folder.
Another problem I encountered had to do with RAM. Instructions say you can
do the Recommended install if you have a G3 and 64 MB of RAM. No way. With
System 8.6 and extensions and control panels pared to the minimum for a
flight sim, the CPU eats up 12.9 MB leaving only slightly more than 50 MB
for Falcon. And if you go to memory in Get info for Falcon 4.0, you'll find
you need 50 MB even for the Minimum Falcon 4.0. I had downloaded the
Recommended Falcon 4.0, but got a System error message saying there was an
address error. So I trashed the Recommended Falcon 4.0, installed the
Minumum and reduced the recommended 80 MB for Falcon's memory to the 50 MB
minimum. The MacSoft tech person was most helpful and clued me in on having
to install Sound Manager from the QuickTime folder in Falcon 4.0. If I want
to step up to even the Recommended Falcon 4.0 sim, I'll need to boost my
RAM to 128 MB. There is no way, as I see it, that you can fly Falcon on a
Mac without having at least a 200 MHz 603e chip and 64 MB of Ram, minimum.
Hope this helps someone out. I purchased Falcon 4.0 from GT Interactive.
The receipt doesn't list a phone number so I suggest you start with MacSoft
and go from there.
Bob





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From: "Richard Roberts" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (cww) Mac Falcon 4.0
Date: 28 May 1999 10:17:08 +0200

Hey!  Our names are "nearly" the same but the other way round!

Richard J Roberts

Just needed that "on" on the end of the surname, hehe.

Well, just a bit of off-topic Cardo humour =P

Laters

Cardo

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>From: "Robert J. Richardson" <[e-mail]>
>To: [e-mail]
>Subject: (cww) Mac Falcon 4.0
>Date: Fri, May 28, 1999, 3:20 am
>

> I couldn't get Falcon 4.0 to load for various reasons. No. 1 is that you
> must have Sound Manager installed. Even if you have QuickTime 4.0, you must
> download QuickTime from the Falcon folder. Then do a custom install and
> select only Sound Manager. This will put the SoundLib extension in your
> Extensions folder.
> Another problem I encountered had to do with RAM. Instructions say you can
> do the Recommended install if you have a G3 and 64 MB of RAM. No way. With
> System 8.6 and extensions and control panels pared to the minimum for a
> flight sim, the CPU eats up 12.9 MB leaving only slightly more than 50 MB
> for Falcon. And if you go to memory in Get info for Falcon 4.0, you'll find
> you need 50 MB even for the Minimum Falcon 4.0. I had downloaded the
> Recommended Falcon 4.0, but got a System error message saying there was an
> address error. So I trashed the Recommended Falcon 4.0, installed the
> Minumum and reduced the recommended 80 MB for Falcon's memory to the 50 MB
> minimum. The MacSoft tech person was most helpful and clued me in on having
> to install Sound Manager from the QuickTime folder in Falcon 4.0. If I want
> to step up to even the Recommended Falcon 4.0 sim, I'll need to boost my
> RAM to 128 MB. There is no way, as I see it, that you can fly Falcon on a
> Mac without having at least a 200 MHz 603e chip and 64 MB of Ram, minimum.
> Hope this helps someone out. I purchased Falcon 4.0 from GT Interactive.
> The receipt doesn't list a phone number so I suggest you start with MacSoft
> and go from there.
> Bob
>
>
>



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From: Dale <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cww) F/A-18E DVD/DVD-Rom
Date: 28 May 1999 12:51:25 -0700

This bounced

>From: "N.C.Th. Dudink" <[e-mail]>
>To: "FS Combat" <[e-mail]>
>Subject: F/A-18E DVD/DVD-Rom
>Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 18:56:39 +0200
>
>
>On June 1st a DVD/DVD-Rom will hit the streets named F/A-18E Super Hornet
>Attack! This DVD will cost $23.95 at http://www.dvdempire.com
>
>The following discription is taken from the DVD Empire site:
>"Take the controls of the Navy's newest and most powerful weapon--the
>F/A-18E Super Hornet. Create you pilot, go on training missions, then deploy
>to sea to fight battles or entire wars. Promotions, medals and glory are
>waiting for you back at the carrier--if you can make it back alive. "F/A-18E
>Super Hornet Attack!" is the most exciting and realistic flight simulation
>game on the market and the DVD-ROM technology ensures you'll experience
>razor-sharp video, crystal-clear audio and pulse-pounding action. As an
>added bonus, this package also contains "America's Flying Aces: The Blue
>Angels 50th Anniversary," narrated by John Travolta. This exciting
>documentary celebrates fifty years of the world's premier flight exhibition
>team. From their history to their brilliant air shows, take a
>behind-the-scenes look at this esteemed group of U.S. Navy aviators and
>their aircraft."
>
>The following discription is taken from the DVD Express site:
>"F/A-18E Hornet Attack is the closest you'll come to exciting high-flying
>action without having to enlist! Larger, stealthier, and incorporating the
>lastest high-tech avionics, the F/A-18E Super Hornet is a fighter for the
>21st century.
>
>F/A-18E Hornet Attack puts you at the controls of the newest and most
>powerful aircraft in naval aviation: the F/A-18E Super Hornet. Test your
>flight and combat skills as you take off the deck of the aircraft carrier
>USS Abraham Lincoln and fly the 30-ton Super Hornet on missions over the
>Persian Gulf and the Aegean Sea. Go on training flights, fly a single
>mission, or take part in a full-scale air, land, and sea operation -- all
>with incredibly realistic and intuitive controls, and a campaign generator
>that ensures you'll never fly the same mission twice. Hornet Attack is the
>closest you'll come to exciting high-flying action without having to enlist.
>
>The TALON (Total Air & Land Operations Network) System is capable of
>creating a limitless number of single missions and full-blown campaignes,
>based on the current state of the war. When combined with the sophisticated
>artificial intelligence of both friendly and enemy units, TALON ensures that
>you will never fly the same mission twice.
>
>Use Hornet Attack's Active Cockpit just as you would the real thing: every
>switch and button visible on your screen can be clicked and manipulated with
>the mouse. The result is the most intuitive control system you'll find in
>flight simulation. Keyboard buffs still have access to all the same
>functions via keyboard or programmable joysticks.
>
>The acclaimed DEMON terrain system combines real-world elevation data with
>satellite imagery to produce hundreds and thousands of square miles of
>photorealistic terrain with absolutely no repetition. Every feature is just
>as it would appear in the real world, and advanced data compression
>technology keeps it all running fast and smoothly.
>
>As an added bonus, the package also contains America's Flying Aces: The Blue
>Angels 50th Anniversary, narrated by John Travolta. This exciting
>documentary celebrates fifty years of the world's premier flight exhibition
>team. From their history to their brillian air shows, take a behind the
>scenes look at this esteemed group of U.S. Navy Aviators and their F/A-18s.
>
>System Requirements:
>DVD-Video Player (for video viewing only) or DVD-ROM system (needed for game
>play)
>
>Pentium 133, 24 MB RAM, SVGA 16-bit 2MB video card or better , Microsoft
>Windows 95/98 or later, 100 MB free hard drive, MPEG-2 decoder, DVD-ROM
>drive, Requirements for optimized play: Pentium 200, 200 MB free hard drive,
>Optional programmable joystick (supported by DirectX 5.0) for game play."
>
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From: Dale <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cww) Fwd: Re: Falcon problems
Date: 28 May 1999 20:06:45 -0700

>Subject: Re: Falcon problems
>Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 20:45:12 -0500
>x-sender: [e-mail]
>From: Philbert <[e-mail]>
>To: "Dale" <[e-mail]>
>Mime-Version: 1.0
>
>Dale -
>
>Thanks for passing this info on to me.  I'll try to check into the Sound
>Manager and QT 4 thing.  But one obvious thing that Bob seems to be
>missing is that you can increase your Mac's Virtual Memory size, and the
>game will run just fine.  On a 64 megabyte PowerMac, I'd suggest setting
>it to 96 megabytes via the "Memory" Control Panel.
>
>The fact that the box requirements state 32 or 64 megabytes refers to the
>Mac's physical RAM; most high-end games these days (Falcon, Unreal,
>Klingon Honor Guard, Fly!) pretty much assume that everyone's running
>with VM turned on.  When you install your System Software, the Mac
>defaults your VM setting to 1 megabyte higher than your physical RAM
>size.  So if you have 64 megabytes of RAM in your Mac, the VM setting is
>defaulted to "65".  Tell Bob not to mess with the "Minimum" and
>"Preferred" sizes on Falcon; rather he should crank up the Virtual Memory
>setting instead.
>
>Hope this helps!
>
>Phil Sulak
>Vice President / Mac Game Developer
>Westlake Interactive
>http://www.westlakeinteractive.com
>
>>I couldn't get Falcon 4.0 to load for various reasons. No. 1 is that you
>>must have Sound Manager installed. Even if you have QuickTime 4.0, you
>>must download QuickTime from the Falcon folder. Then do a custom install
>>and select only Sound Manager. This will put the SoundLib extension in
>>your Extensions folder. Another problem I encountered had to do with RAM.
>>Instructions say you can do the Recommended install if you have a G3 and
>>64 MB of RAM. No way. With System 8.6 and extensions and control panels
>>pared to the minimum for a flight sim, the CPU eats up 12.9 MB leaving
>>only slightly more than 50 MB for Falcon. And if you go to memory in Get
>>info for Falcon 4.0, you'll find you need 50 MB even for the Minimum
>>Falcon 4.0. I had downloaded the Recommended Falcon 4.0, but got a System
>>error message saying there was an address error. So I trashed the
>>Recommended Falcon 4.0, installed the Minumum and reduced the recommended
>>80 MB for Falcon's memory to the 50 MB minimum. The MacSoft tech person
>>was most helpful and clued me in on having to install Sound Manager from
>>the QuickTime folder in Falcon 4.0. If I want to step up to even the
>>Recommended Falcon 4.0 sim, I'll need to boost my RAM to 128 MB. There is
>>no way, as I see it, that you can fly Falcon on a Mac without having at
>>least a 200 MHz 603e chip and 64 MB of Ram, minimum. Hope this helps
>>someone out. I purchased Falcon 4.0 from GT Interactive. The receipt
>>doesn't list a phone number so I suggest you start with MacSoft and go
>>from there. Bob
>



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From: Dale <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cww) Misc Mac Falcon stuff
Date: 29 May 1999 11:02:45 -0700

Taken from comp.sys.mac.games.flight-sim

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Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.games.flight-sim

Hi All -

There are two new updates for Falcon 4.0; both are currently avaible at
the Westlake web site.  MacSoft (and others) should have these files ready
for download soon.

Falcon 4.0 1.06b Updater
------------------------
This update fixes problems related to keyboard throttle and rudder control
when using certain Mac joysticks and gamepads.  It also includes all
previous fixes and enhancements to the software, and may be used to update
either version 1.06 or version 1.06a of Falcon 4.0.

Falcon 4.0 1.06b RAVE Updater
This is an UNSUPPORTED patch which allows ATI Rage Pro owners to play
Falcon 4.0 in RAVE mode if they've installed the OpenGL 1.0 software kit
from Apple Computer.  This is only a temporary solution; owners are
advised to install the "ATI Universal Update 4.0" when it becomes
available.

Enjoy!

--
Phil Sulak
Mac Game Developer
Westlake Interactive
http://www.westlakeinteractive.com


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Here's the long answer on how to do Falcon networking...

There are a couple of ways to play multi-player network games - local LAN or
Internet.  Both options use your TCP/IP settings.

Local LAN (playing with other people on your local network)

(1) Your TCP/IP control panel settings should be set to your local network. In
other words, you should have a static IP address.
(2) Press COMMS.
(3) Press LAN (should already be selected).
(4) Press Connect.
(5) A "connection established" dialog should be displayed. Press OK.
(6) Press COMMS again.
(7) The Chat window should be displayed. If you are the only player connected,
only your name will appear. If other players are connected to your local net,
you will see their names. In this window you can chat with other players.
(8) When ready to start or join a game, close the Chat window and click
DOGFIGHT.
(9) Skip to "Hosting a Game" or "Joining a Game" below.

Internet (playing with other people on the intneret)

(1) Your TCP/IP control panel settings should be set to your Internet
connection. For most people, this means your dial out setup.
(2) Press COMMS.
(3) Press Internet.
(4) In the "Connect to" field, specify the IP address of a known player on the
Internet, or "0.0.0.0" if you are the first player.
(5) Press Connect.
(6) A "connection established" dialog should be displayed. Press OK.
(7) Press COMMS again.
(8) The Chat window should be displayed. If you are the only player connected,
only your name will appear. If other players are connected, you will see their
names. In this window you can chat with other players.
(9) When ready to start or join a game, close the Chat window and click
DOGFIGHT.
(10) Skip to "Hosting a Game" or "Joining a Game" below.

Hosting a Game

(1) In DOGFIGHT, press ONLINE.
(2) Press the COMMIT button (planes in lower right corner).
(3) The Rules of Engagement will be displayed. Press OK.
(4) At this point, you are waiting for other players to connect. Once
connected, other players will appear in the Pilots list.
(5) Press the COMMIT button (planes in lower right corner) when ready to start
the game with other players.

Joining a Game

(1) In DOGFIGHT, press ONLINE.
(2) Select an online game in the list. If no games are displayed, it means no
one is hosting a game. Maybe you should host a game. See the section above.
(3) At this point, you are waiting for other players to connect. Once
connected, other players will appear in the Pilots list.
(4) Press the COMMIT button (planes in lower right corner) when ready to start
the game with other players.

That's it. Now you should be in a multi-player game. Good luck.



Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.games.flight-sim

What is the best way to increase performance for Falcon and Hornet on my
mac. I have a 200mhz 603 based procesor with 40 MB of ram and a voodoo 1
card.  These are my options:

a. Get a G3 upgrade card (220 Mhz Powerlogix)
b. Get a voodoo2 or Rage Orion card
c. Get more memory

I'm sort of waiting for those ZIF cards that will cost under $150 and
possible take a G4 processor as well.  Also, I would be hesitant to get a
voodoo2 or Rage Orion since I think my processor would be a bottleneck for
such a fast graphics card.  Any suggestions?

BTW- Falcon 4 runs ok with the minimum requirements listed on the box.  I
get the best performance when I lower some of the detail and run in 512x384.
I have not tried the campaign mode yet, but dogfight and training is
playable with an occasional pause every 10 or so seconds.


Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.games.flight-sim

Whenever I try to configure the Thrustmaster controls (I have FCS, WCS, and
RCS)to something other than the default set.....most of the controls dont
work.....like they dont get mapped to those buttons. Tried mapping the
padlock view to the Buttom Button on the WCS (Throttle) for example....dont
work.

Also, use of the rocker switch is useless, cause it doesnt let you have
different commands for the 6 buttons with the rocker in different positions.

Other than that the game rocks...........but quite annoying the input
sprockets problem im having.

Do I have to program my TM setup using Thrustware 2.0?

Running Mac OS 8.6

Later,

John

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From: Dale <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cww) Hosting multiplayer F4 matches
Date: 31 May 1999 01:52:10 -0700

For those of you that use either #falcon4 or #hornet to fly multiplayer F4
matches, there is a bot on either channel to help people fly together.
Documentation is available on the channel when ChevyOne is available
(#falcon4) or MacAirOne (#hornet). To get the document, type "!files" and
select the multiplayer info.

And in cases where individuals need to find anothers IP address, you can
type "!ip" and it will display your IP address. And if you type "!ip
<nickname>" and the person is on the channel, the bot will give you that
person's IP address. As an added feature, anyone registered with the bot
can have their last IP address available thru the bot. You type "!ip
<nickname>" and it comes up. This is handy if you crash out of a match and
want to know what IP was used. But you must register with the bot to have
this available. To register, you just type "/msg chevyone *OR* macairone
cww"

If you have any questions, mail me or catch me on the channels. The
following is the available multiplayer instructions:

>To use the multiplayer function of MacAirOne (Mao), type
>the following
>
>(to host) !f4 host
>
>(to join) !f4 join <ip number from host's ip generation>
>
>(if you come in late and want a game to join) !f4 list
>
>(to close up a match, which the host must do) !f4 quit
>
>An example follows. But I would like to give credit where credit is
>due. This script, the script to access ladder scores from the channel
>and the very bots I have are all due to James Mack (JMack). For a long
>time, he didn't want me to give him credit. But he has finally
>relented :)
>
>James, thank you for all you have done. And all the help you have given
>
>------------------------------------------
>
>The following is an example:
>
>     JMack: !ip
>  ChevyOne: JMack's IP is 208.129.61.74
>     JMack: !f4 host
>  ChevyOne: JMack is hosting a Falcon4 game at 208.129.61.74
>    _Dale_: !f4 join 208.129.61.74
>  ChevyOne: _Dale_: No Falcon4 games hosted by 208.129.61.74.
>     JMack: use my nick
>    _Dale_: !f4 join JMack
>  ChevyOne: _Dale_ joined JMack's hosted Falcon4 game.
>     JMack: !f4 list
>    _Dale_: !f4 list
> *ChevyOne* jmack is hosting a Falcon4 game at 208.129.61.74
>     JMack: !f4 quit
> *ChevyOne* Currently, the list of players in this game is: _dale_
> *ChevyOne* No more Falcon4 games hosted.
>  ChevyOne: JMack: You have been removed from all Falcon4 games.
>
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From: Dale <[e-mail]>
Subject: (cww) Ladders
Date: 31 May 1999 16:58:29 -0700

Hiyas,

Although the addition of Falcon 4 broadens the Mac flightsim envelope, it
does leave some people behind. These are the people using 68k Macs. Falcon,
like the current versions of Hornet, requires having a PPC. And some people
will still prefer to be able to fly Hornet regardless of it's version and
compete against others in Hornet.

With that in mind, none of the Hornet ladders will be going away anytime
soon. Both Mac and PC Hornet ladders. They will remain fully supported and
have administrators that you can rely on. Any changes made to the ladder
setup will keep ALL users in mind and no one will be left behind.

Dale
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