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From: Oz Trad <kahuna@tstonramp.com> Subject: (cww) Kahuna's Standing Down Date: 03 Jan 1999 18:24:41 -0800 Dear Stinger, Effective immediately, I will be resigning my commission as a member of the Cougars, CMAG and the CWW. This will create an openings in the following positions: 1.) Cougar Roster member 2.) Cougar Webmaster 3.) CMAG 1st Group Webmaster It was with great difficulty that I have come to this decision. My personal commitments have precluded me from investing the time needed to be the avid avaitor that I was previously before. My best regards to the many, many friends to whom I've had the honor to fly with and against during my tour in this fine community. I would also like to state the it was an honor to be a member of the Cougars, the greatest bunch of guys ever; true officers and gentlemen, as well as kick-ass pilots- Please keep me on all e-mail distribution lists, as my interest in avaiton has not waned; I would love to keep up with the goings on. Regards, Kahz ---------------------------- Major Oz 'Kahuna' Trad (ret) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dale <cdb@mail.inficad.com> Subject: (cww) Re: Kahuna's Standing Down Date: 03 Jan 1999 20:41:41 -0700 This saddens me as another legend slips off to the Grey Havens. I wish you well and hope everything turns out as you wish. Dale At 6:24 PM -0800 1/3/99, Oz Trad wrote: >To: Brigadier General Sam "Stinger" Lee > > > Dear Stinger, > > Effective immediately, I will be resigning my commission as a member > of the Cougars, CMAG and the CWW. > > This will create an openings in the following positions: > 1.) Cougar Roster member > 2.) Cougar Webmaster > 3.) CMAG 1st Group Webmaster > > It was with great difficulty that I have come to this decision. My > personal commitments have precluded me from investing the time needed > to be the avid avaitor that I was previously before. > > My best regards to the many, many friends to whom I've had the honor > to fly with and against during my tour in this fine community. I would > also like to state the it was an honor to be a member of the Cougars, > the greatest bunch of guys ever; true officers and gentlemen, as well > as kick-ass pilots- > > Please keep me on all e-mail distribution lists, as my interest in > avaiton has not waned; I would love to keep up with the goings on. > > > Regards, > > Kahz > >---------------------------- >Major Oz 'Kahuna' Trad (ret) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dale <cdb@mail.inficad.com> Subject: (cww) Hornet Ladder Message Board changes Date: 07 Jan 1999 23:33:48 -0700 Effective as of today, I have removed the message boards that each of the CWW Hornet ladders had. In place of those, I have linked the message board link to the GSC general message board. I am doing this to centralize the interest in Hornet back where it belongs with GSC. Also the people that use the GSC message board seem to be getting a bit "ingrown". Some new blood is needed and you are invited to contribute. And this is my effort to make it easier Dale ******************************************************* Callsign: Dale, Warbirds - cdb- ICQ# 3351618 Home Page: http://www.inficad.com/~cdb To join the CWW (Mac) or FSCombat (PC) listserver: http://www.inficad.com/~cdb/CWW/Media/listsub.html Flight Sim Competition Ladders http://www.xmission.com/~thon/CWW/Competition/fsgc.html ******************************************************* ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dale <cdb@mail.inficad.com> Subject: (cww) FAQ and ROE Date: 07 Jan 1999 23:53:25 -0700 Heyas, For those of you that frequent the IRC channel, #falcon4, would someone be interested in writing an FAQ for the channel? We need something for both etiquette and what the channel offers. I will contribute a section on what my bot, ChevyOne, can contribute. I believe when it gets done, it can be made available as a web page and posted to newsgroups to attract more people to the channel. Also, a ROE is needed for the CWW Falcon 4 ladder. I realize it has only been 3 or so weeks since the release. But with 4 weeks I have found that people have a good grip of what to do with F4 and how to make it work to their advantage. So a ROE is needed. Is has been a long ladder policy to get the involved flight sim community to direct how it should go. So Iam looking for input. Anyone? Dale ******************************************************* Callsign: Dale, Warbirds - cdb- ICQ# 3351618 Home Page: http://www.inficad.com/~cdb To join the CWW (Mac) or FSCombat (PC) listserver: http://www.inficad.com/~cdb/CWW/Media/listsub.html Flight Sim Competition Ladders http://www.xmission.com/~thon/CWW/Competition/fsgc.html ******************************************************* ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Micheal <gypsywlf@ma.ultranet.com> Subject: (cww) Chaos King Tournament Begins Date: 11 Jan 1999 11:15:46 +0100 493rd Fighter Group, "WarDogs" Re: Tournament News Gentlemen, As of midnight last night, the curtain went up on the latest Skyfighters tournament, entitled "Chaos King". Chaos is a week-long skyfighters tournament timed as a memorial to WWII legend "Pappy" Boyington, as this is the 10th anniversary of his passing. Chaos King will be based on FFA-style games with ground starts and immediate restarts. The games are short, furious and chaotic. Scoring is based on your kills-to-deaths ratio with an added credit for games flown. This means that a clean game is better than a 'won' game, but don't expect the others to leave you alone! The per-game credit will help negate any resting on laurels that might occur. This will also reward frequent flyers, so even if you don't think you're as hot as the 'big boys' you can still come out ahead. Scores will be regularly posted to a web page for all to see. Chaos King will use our channel bot, Skyserv, as automatic game tracker and score keeper. See the web pages for relevant commands. JMack and myself will be 'moderators' to handle what needs handling, but if all goes well, it should be pretty automatic. Even though the 493rd WarDogs is sponsoring Chaos King, it is open to any and all Skyfighters pilots. If you're new to our channel (#skyfighters on irc.sandnet.org) you will need to 'register' with the bot, Skyserv, in order to play. Sky uses your registered nick to know who you are when you use the commands. Registering is quick and easy. Sky himself can guide you through the commands. So, if you thrive on Chaos, have a look at the pages: http://orgchem.colorado.edu/sf/tournaments.html and fly the chaotic skies. Any other questions, feel free to email me. -- Micheal -- CO 493rd Fighter Group, WarDogs ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Micheal <gypsywlf@ma.ultranet.com> Subject: (cww) Chaos King Update and Tech Notes Date: 12 Jan 1999 11:41:25 +0100 Gentlemen, The first day of the Chaos King saw a good amount of action, especially for a Monday. Good to see lots of old faces again. Top Three Standings after the first full day are: Shyster - First Thermo - Second Voodoo - Third Check the web pages for more. http://orgchem.colorado.edu/sf/tournaments.html Tech Notes: -------------------------- The games and scoring traffic are handled by our channel bot, Skyserv. One of Sky's features is that he can recognize you by your host mask. This lets contestants join games and enter scores w/o having to identify themselves all the time or there being cases of misidentification. The small downside to this automation is that players need to 'register' with Skyserv if they're new to the channel (more on that below) or if they've been away too long and Sky forgot who they were. If you're new to the channel, Sky will introduce himself and suggest that you register with him. This is simple, done by messaging him with "/msg Skyserv hello" (no quotes). That's all there is to it. You can get a help file with /msg Skyserv help. If you want, you can set a password, but since Sky knows you by your host mask and not your irc nick at the time, he's not easy to fool anyway. If you've been gone a long time, or changed ISPs or some such change, Sky may not recognize you. You can try the command "/msg Skyserv IDENT <your password>" If he still doesn't recognize you, email JMack (jmack@orgchem.colorado.edu) or catch him on irc, to have things straightened out. ROE Clarifications: Landing for repairs IS legal and allowed. The object is to die as little as possible, so fixing your damaged bird is certainly a valid tool. While it wasn't explicitly spelled out in the ROE at the beginning, the customary no-vulch rules are still in effect for Chaos King. While the premise of this tournament is 'chaos' a concession needs to be made for the fact that the SF world is too small to reflect reality. (enemy bases only 5 miles apart? I don't think so) Due to this, and to uphold the usual sportsmanlike decorum of Skyfighters, the customary no-vulch rules are officially added to the ROE. Basically, a plane landing is fair game, but a plane taking off is not unless it (a) climbs above 300' or (b) turns toward the center of the island grouping. Either of these are signals of engagement. Picking your Battles: Even if you're on irc and Chaos King games are forming, a particular pilot is not -required- to join a particular game. If the top scoring pilots are forming a game and you don't want to be fodder for them, you don't have to join the game. You can wait for a different game to form and join that one. Discretion is the better part of valor, as the saying goes. Of course, if you keep turning down games for fear of getting shot, you won't do much scoring either. :-) All for now, see you online. -- Micheal -- CO 493rd Fighter Group, WarDogs ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Micheal <gypsywlf@ma.ultranet.com> Subject: (cww) Chaos King Update and Tech Notes, 2 Date: 13 Jan 1999 12:57:11 +0100 Gentlemen, The second day of Chaos King was hotter than the first. Lots of games flown and action. Some new players joined the fray. The leaders shifted about a little as the scores came in. Top Three Standings after the second day are: Thermo - First Voodoo - Second Shyster - Third Check the web pages for more. http://orgchem.colorado.edu/sf/tournaments.html Tech Notes: -------------------------- JMack made a minor change to the Chaos bot scripts. These are: * !chaos quit -- removes the player from his current game, but also cancels the whole game from the pending games list. This came in handy last night as a couple of games ran into techno-troubles with discoes and non-connects. If this happens to you, just have the same parties (or a new mix) rehost and rejoin a new game. This keeps a discoed guy from being penalized just because the game didn't pan out. Any further troubles with this, contact myself or JMack. * !ip <nick> -- This feature, long part of Sky's tool box, also works on the player's last IP, even though he's left the channel (like to go host a game). If you missed the IP and the host left, you can still use !ip <nick> to get his last IP#. This too, turned out to be a handy feature last night as some games didn't head off quite as orderly as usual. (but then, the name of the game is Chaos, after all) :-) All for now. See you online. -- Micheal -- CO 493rd Fighter Group, WarDogs ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Micheal <gypsywlf@ma.ultranet.com> Subject: (cww) Chaos King Update and Notes, 3 Date: 14 Jan 1999 15:43:44 +0100 Gentlemen, The third day of Chaos King was full of action. Many games, often two at a time, were going on. The first-place slot changed hands several times as Voodoo and thermo battled each other and growing fatigue. Some of the pilots in the "pack" moved up. Top Three Standings after the third day are: Thermo - First Voodoo - Second Gray -- Third Check the web pages for more. http://orgchem.colorado.edu/sf/tournaments.html Tech Notes: -------------------------- No changes to the bot scripts were made. "Reverse Vulching" -- we had one interesting event that received the title "reverse vulching." The incident was one in which a high/fast pilot was cruising above a new take-off pilot who was still in the "off limits" zone. The high/fast pilot flew out in front of the low/slow pilot. Low/Slow pulled up hard and fired a burst at High/Fast and actually hit him. Reverse Vulching? As note on rules of engagement, reverse vulching is not against the rules. The no-vulching rules are there to protect (temporarily) the new take-off player. The high/fast player is not in need of special protection. It should be noted that the low/slow player, in taking his pot shot, would then be fair game, no matter how low or slow, as he chose to engage. So, as a note to high/fast players: don't expose your six to low/slow 'off limits' players. A note to guys who just took off: if you're going to take a pot shot, you'd better make it good, because that shot makes you "fair game" again. All for now. Thanks to all of you who have come by to do battle in our chaotic skies. -- Micheal -- CO 493rd Fighter Group, WarDogs ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Micheal <gypsywlf@ma.ultranet.com> Subject: (cww) Chaos King Update, the fourth day Date: 15 Jan 1999 15:06:38 +0100 Gentlemen, Day four of Chaos King was,...dare I say?...no...I won't. Even still, a very busy evening. For a short while, we lost our channel bot: Skyserv. The show, however, must go on. We collected scores manually for awhile and James was kept busy with repair and adjustments, but Sky was back up and running before too long. After that, the pace became furious. At several points, there were three separate games in the air at the same time. Many of them would land, wait just long enough for a refuel, re-arm and a quick cup of coffee and they were going back up. The strain of flying back to back missions was beginning to show in some players. Thermo and Voodoo set a blistering pace that is surely a test of human endurance. Can they keep it up? Medics are standing by. The Top Three Standings after the fourth day are: Thermo - First Voodoo - Second Gray -- Third Check the web pages for more. http://orgchem.colorado.edu/sf/tournaments.html Tech Notes: Just for clarification, the no-vulch rule applies to players taking off after refueling as well as restarting. I realize that in the customary SF games, a rearmed player is considered more 'fair game' than a restart, but given the chaotic nature of CK games, the high/fast player may not be the best judge of whether the man taking off had reset or refueled. So, for the rest of CK, anybody taking off is given the no-vulch protection. This protection is temporary and short lived, however, so it's not a silver bullet. High/fast players can bide their time, get higher if they like. Sky-less? -- If, for some reason, we lose Sky again (his server went down last night, for awhile) then save those screen shots and plan to email JM or myself. CK doesn't stop for lost bots. Only three days left in CK. Many of you (23 players so far), have flown many games. There is still time to rack up those scores. All for now. See you online, -- Micheal -- CO 493rd Fighter Group, WarDogs ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dale <thon@xmission.com> Subject: (cww) USB Files Date: 15 Jan 1999 14:25:03 -700 I am going to add USB support to my G3 so I can experiment with the Topgun USB stick that I have for my PC. I checked TM's web page for notes and they tell you how to set up with an iMac. In part, the directions consist of the following: 2. Open the CD Extras folder 3. Open the iMac Game Controller Support folder 4. Drag the following files to the Extensions folder, which is in the System Folder: Input Sprocket Keyboard InputSprocket USB InputSprocketLib USBHIDUniversal Module These files only come with the iMac. Could someone stuff this folder and send it to me? Please send it to my cdb@inficad.com address Thanks, Dale ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Micheal <gypsywlf@ma.ultranet.com> Subject: (cww) Chaos King Update, Day 5 Date: 16 Jan 1999 16:19:49 +0100 Gentlemen, Day four ground past midnight with many pilots refusing to stand down. Flying continued despite the growing fatigue. The leaders jockeyed about a bit, but managed to hold onto their positions. There was more action in "the pack" as several players advanced and some receded. With only two days left, these are the standings. The Top Three Standings after the fourth day are: Thermo - First Voodoo - Second Gray -- Third Check the web pages for more. http://orgchem.colorado.edu/sf/tournaments.html Tech Notes: No significant adjustments or notes. A reminder, though, that if Sky doesn't recognize you -- perhaps because you've changed ISPs since first registering with Sky -- this can sometimes be handled by JMack while online. At times when the action is hot and heavy, though, this is not a good time for him to be tweeking things under Sky's hood. Hang in there and be patient. Better still, email this sad fact to JMack -before- this evening's chaos gets started. Another reminder: We've had little or no need so far, for screen shots of the games, but they have proven useful in recreating a game if the record entry gets botched. I imagine some of the players have a hard disk full of screen shots by now. Shots from the first couple days are probably not needed any longer. Keep 'em for a day or two, but they are still handy as a fall-back record of your game. All for now. See you in the chaotic skies. -- Micheal -- CO 493rd Fighter Group, WarDogs ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Micheal <gypsywlf@ma.ultranet.com> Subject: (cww) Chaos KIng: Conclusion! Date: 17 Jan 1999 01:00:32 +0100 Gentlemen, It is with mixed feelings that we must announce the conclusion of the Chaos King Tournament, one day earlier than scheduled. The reason was, a discrepancy in the scoring formula which was not evident in the early days but became more apparent after day 4. By today (day 6) it was obvious that the problem was not going to go away. Rather than let things get further out of whack, we decided to end the tourney a day early. More on that below. We will be awarding the prize buttons to those members who placed First, Second and Third, according to the original formula -- as that was what everyone started out with -- but we will also be awarding some buttons for the top finishers based on a revised formula used on the same tourney flight data. The Design and The Formula When we started out with the design for the Chaos King Tournament, the basic premise was to base it on a pilot's kills-to-deaths ratio. However, as a raw statistic, the k/d doesn't tell the difference between a consistently good pilot and one who happened to have a really good couple of games. So, we factored in a per-game bonus in addition to the k/d. As you know, it is a lot harder to keep a good k/d over many games compared to just few games. We based our original formula on the assumption that a typical guy would show up a few days of the week, and fly maybe 20 games total. Pre-tourney testers were not as available as we hoped, so the formula got only a few days testing -- which seemed to run as expected. Trouble was, we really didn't expect to see two dozen of you guys out there flying non-stop missions! This is not a bad thing, of course, but our poor little formula wasn't built for it. Too much success!! As players racked up over 20 games, the proportions of the per-game bonus got out of balance. By the end of Day Four, we could see the signs of this, but we hoped that the flying on Day Five might see things even up. They didn't. By today, Day Six, we could see that the original formula was not going to work as expected. The New Formula A new formula was developed which followed the original design criteria but slacked off the per-game bonus the more a player flew. Again, the idea was that if one pilot had a .600 k/d ratio over 10 games and another had the same k/d over 20 games, the second pilot was actually doing better, as he had held that k/d over twice as many opportunities to have lost it. The per-game bonus, however, had to be scaled back as the number of flights rose, or the total per-game bonuses outweighed the k/d. We have a revised scoring sheet up for your review on the web site. Winners by the Original Recipe --- First -- Thermo Second -- Voodoo Third -- Jonathan Each of these pilots will receive their CK buttons in the snail mail --- if they give me their addresses. Winners by the Revised Formula --- First - Shyster Second -- Thermo Third -- Gray Each of these pilots will receive a CK button too. I would like to personally thank all those pilots who flew in Chaos King, for their patience and willingness. CK was a different style of tourney -- one not w/o some teething paings -- but overall, it was a lot of fun and a success. Given all the great flying there was (over 150 games) and one of our goals was to increase the amount of flying, I would agree with CongoBob in saying that all of you were winners. We are hanging onto the scripts for Chaos King, having had a pretty intense testing of them as we did. A Chaos King II will probably come up in the future. After, of course, a chance to rest. Many of you flew over 30 and 40 missions. You've certainly earned some R&R. thanks to you all for one heck of a busy week of flying! -- Micheal -- CO 493rd Fighter Group, WarDogs ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dale <cdb@mail.inficad.com> Subject: (cww) NG Post Date: 17 Jan 1999 00:42:14 -0700 The following was posted to the Mac FS Newsgroup by me. I understand there are some sentiments to boycott GSC. I once tried that when Hornet 3 was to come out. I wanted to boycott till TCP/IP was added. No one was interested. ------------------------ Supposedly GSC has some new offering that they are working on. I wasn't at MacWorld but from what I have read, GSC was there and nothing was shown to indicate what. The one thing I want to point out is that GSC has been alluding (don't want to get into hair splitting whether any promises or commitments were made....this isn't about Clinton:)) to a patch for the better part of a year now. If GSC has a new project, it seems difficult that a small company like them would have the time and resources to work on a new sim and turn out the patch. So which will it be and can what GSC says be believed? Before Gabe left GSC, he said that the TCP/IP part of Hornet Korea was there in rough form and just needed to be finished. Gabe said he would do it if GSC and Trey would pay him to do it. Even from his new job. I guess Trey didn't :) Mac Falcon4 is probably 3-4 months away as Westlake is getting set to go beta. The question is, will GSC survive some serious competition for the first time. And will Westlake (and Microprose) give Mac users the support that GSC doesn't? Will this finally spur GSC to actually get back to the kind of support that they haven't given since Hornet 1? I still support GSC and want them to stay in the game as competition is good for everyone. And while my comments are negative, they are nothing new and nothing I haven't repeatedly expressed to GSC and Trey. Maybe GSC and Parsoft should merge so we get the team that gave us Hellcats and Hornet in the first place. Dale ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: VFA246@aol.com Subject: (cww) http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/bay/4626 Date: 17 Jan 1999 03:19:18 EST Dir Sir or Madam: I am a dedicated MacWorld subscriber. To make this short and sweet, I wrote this email to Graphic Simulations Corporation, regarding the fact that Mac users do not have any valid method of networking their sim, and PC users, new to the GSC game, have standard TCP/IP. Here is the initial note I sent: >I apologize for my anger. GSC has abandoned us. If you stop by irc efnet #hornet you'd hear the cries for help. No TCP/IP, we have to use an experimental thing called IPRemote. PC users, first time GSC customers get TCP/IP. This is appaling. This was the reply from Graphic Simulations: No, when GSC abandons you, you'll be flying PC games. The definition of ->appalling is somebody who has nothing better to do with his life than bitch ->about a stinking patch for a year straight on a game they only paid $50 or ->less on. Why don't your try Microsoft - I understand they only charge ->$100/hr for tech support on software that has half as many lines of code as ->Korea. mac users have obviously been emailing about the TCP/IP patch. This is my reply: There is a difference between Microsoft and GSC. Microsoft can charge $100/hr for tech support because they have an established name. GSC on the other hand, is becoming infamous for cheating it's customers. You mentioned, "The definition of ->appalling is somebody who has nothing better to do with his life than bitch ->about a stinking patch for a year straight on a game they only paid $50 or ->less on." Funny, PC users paid the same price as Mac users, yet somehow they got something worth much more included....TCP/IP. Would you call this fair? I also point out that Macs started that little company in Dallas, and you wouldn't be making anything for PCs if it weren't for the 3 version owning Mac users. Your email has been noted, as I assume you speak for all of your GSC pals. Read "Macworld" in the coming months to see your name in lights, with you "good business sense" attached. -> -> Rick Law Many of the Mac users I know, ho fly GSC sims, have become infuriated. All are writing letters as i write this. Publishing of these emails will serve to speak for the Mac users who are scolded for owning Macs. Thank you. Rick Law ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Christoffersen <davidchr@psych.purdue.edu> Subject: Re: (cww) http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/bay/46 Date: 17 Jan 1999 14:08:39 -0500 (EST) Rick, I find it interesting that you only include a very small piece of some email you claim you received from GSC. I'd like to see the whole email, as well as the email you sent to them. I've spoken with at least 4 different people from GSC over the years, and none of them would send out an email like that. They may wish to, but they are more mature than that. I don't know you, so I'm more inclined to believe that this email you're sending out is more of a troll than anything else, but I'm willing to be proved wrong. Yes, I would like to have tcp/ip, but after a year GSC has not released a patch that Gabe Mares told me on the phone would take "a week of debugging." It seems logical to assume they are not going to do it. Either enjoy your version of Hornet as it is, or move on to another sim. You won't be getting tcp/ip from GSC. Just my thoughts, I've seen no press release from GSC saying anything about the tcp/ip patch,they, but their behavior suggests they won't be making it. David Christoffersen AKA "Mental" On Sun, 17 Jan 1999 VFA246@aol.com wrote: > Dir Sir or Madam: > I am a dedicated MacWorld subscriber. To > make this short and sweet, I wrote this email to Graphic Simulations > Corporation, regarding the fact that Mac users do not have any valid method of > networking their sim, and PC users, new to the GSC game, have standard TCP/IP. > Here is the initial note I sent: > >I apologize for my anger. GSC has abandoned us. > If you stop by irc efnet #hornet you'd hear the cries for help. No TCP/IP, we > have to use an experimental thing called IPRemote. PC users, first time GSC > customers get TCP/IP. This is appaling. > > > This was the reply from Graphic Simulations: > No, when GSC abandons you, you'll be flying PC games. The definition of > ->appalling is somebody who has nothing better to do with his life than bitch > ->about a stinking patch for a year straight on a game they only paid $50 or > ->less on. Why don't your try Microsoft - I understand they only charge > ->$100/hr for tech support on software that has half as many lines of code as > ->Korea. > > mac users have obviously been emailing about the TCP/IP patch. > > This is my reply: > There is a difference between Microsoft and GSC. Microsoft can charge $100/hr > for tech support because they have an established name. GSC on the other > hand, is becoming infamous for cheating it's customers. You mentioned, "The > definition of > ->appalling is somebody who has nothing better to do with his life than bitch > ->about a stinking patch for a year straight on a game they only paid $50 or > ->less on." Funny, PC users paid the same price as Mac users, yet somehow they > got something worth much more included....TCP/IP. Would you call this fair? > I also point out that Macs started that little company in Dallas, and you > wouldn't be making anything for PCs if it weren't for the 3 version owning Mac > users. Your email has been noted, as I assume you speak for all of your GSC > pals. Read "Macworld" in the coming months to see your name in lights, with > you "good business sense" attached. > -> > -> > Rick Law > > > Many of the Mac users I know, ho fly GSC sims, have become infuriated. All > are writing letters as i write this. Publishing of these emails will serve to > speak for the Mac users who are scolded for owning Macs. Thank you. Rick Law > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dale <cdb@mail.inficad.com> Subject: Re: (cww) GSC Date: 17 Jan 1999 12:59:52 -0700 I had mailed Jon after learning of Rico's letter that Mental responded to here. Jon did write that letter that Rico quotes. So there is no "trolling" here. But there is a bit more to it then that. Rico was looking to get his squadron added to the GSC pages. he made his request then went on to berate GSC. Jon is not part of GSC any more, but he does feel loyal to them. But regardless, the point Rico is trying to make remains valid. And even Mental acknowledges that by pointing out, "It seems logical to assume they are not going to do it." GSC has a new sim in the works and they are a small company. They don't have the resources to do a patch and a new sim at the same time even with Mental quotes from Gabe about the patch, "Gabe Mares told me on the phone would take "a week of debugging." " If this is evidence of the support, or lack thereof, do you think that GSC is going to have much luck with their next sim? We probably won't even see a Mac version. GSC has demonstrated their resources are seriously lacking. My thought is either GSC follows thru on their promises for the patch and shows they haven't lied to everyone that supports them. Or we figure they have no interest in us and boycott GSC This matter has been dragging on for quite awhile now. And it not affects Mac users, but PC users too. Who wants to buy from a company that gives no support? >Rick, > >I find it interesting that you only include a very small piece of >some email you claim you received from GSC. I'd like >to see the whole email, as well as the email you sent to them. > >I've spoken with at least 4 different people from GSC over the >years, and none of them would send out an email like that. They >may wish to, but they are more mature than that. > >I don't know you, so I'm more inclined to believe >that this email you're sending out is more of a troll than anything >else, but I'm willing to be proved wrong. > >Yes, I would like to have tcp/ip, but after a year GSC has not >released a patch that Gabe Mares told me on the phone would take >"a week of debugging." It seems logical to assume they are not >going to do it. Either enjoy your version of Hornet as it is, or >move on to another sim. You won't be getting tcp/ip from GSC. > >Just my thoughts, I've seen no press release from GSC saying anything >about the tcp/ip patch,they, but their behavior suggests they >won't be making it. > > >David Christoffersen >AKA "Mental" > > >On Sun, 17 Jan 1999 VFA246@aol.com wrote: > >> Dir Sir or Madam: >> I am a dedicated MacWorld subscriber. To >> make this short and sweet, I wrote this email to Graphic Simulations >> Corporation, regarding the fact that Mac users do not have any valid >>method of >> networking their sim, and PC users, new to the GSC game, have standard >>TCP/IP. >> Here is the initial note I sent: >> >I apologize for my anger. GSC has abandoned us. >> If you stop by irc efnet #hornet you'd hear the cries for help. No >>TCP/IP, we >> have to use an experimental thing called IPRemote. PC users, first time GSC >> customers get TCP/IP. This is appaling. >> >> >> This was the reply from Graphic Simulations: >> No, when GSC abandons you, you'll be flying PC games. The definition of >> ->appalling is somebody who has nothing better to do with his life than >>bitch >> ->about a stinking patch for a year straight on a game they only paid $50 or >> ->less on. Why don't your try Microsoft - I understand they only charge >> ->$100/hr for tech support on software that has half as many lines of >>code as >> ->Korea. >> >> mac users have obviously been emailing about the TCP/IP patch. >> >> This is my reply: >> There is a difference between Microsoft and GSC. Microsoft can charge >>$100/hr >> for tech support because they have an established name. GSC on the other >> hand, is becoming infamous for cheating it's customers. You mentioned, "The >> definition of >> ->appalling is somebody who has nothing better to do with his life than >>bitch >> ->about a stinking patch for a year straight on a game they only paid $50 or >> ->less on." Funny, PC users paid the same price as Mac users, yet >>somehow they >> got something worth much more included....TCP/IP. Would you call this fair? >> I also point out that Macs started that little company in Dallas, and you >> wouldn't be making anything for PCs if it weren't for the 3 version >>owning Mac >> users. Your email has been noted, as I assume you speak for all of your GSC >> pals. Read "Macworld" in the coming months to see your name in lights, with >> you "good business sense" attached. >> -> >> -> >> Rick Law >> >> >> Many of the Mac users I know, ho fly GSC sims, have become infuriated. All >> are writing letters as i write this. Publishing of these emails will >>serve to >> speak for the Mac users who are scolded for owning Macs. Thank you. >>Rick Law >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dale <cdb@mail.inficad.com> Subject: Re: (cww) GSC Date: 17 Jan 1999 19:08:24 -0700 This is a forward of a mesage that bounced >Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 16:44:01 -0800 >From: Keith Harrison <kch@hooked.net> >Reply-To: kch@hooked.net >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) >X-Accept-Language: en >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: cww@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: (cww) GSC >References: <f278ecbe.36a19d06@aol.com> <v04003a00b2c7e914b392@[192.168.1.2]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >I find all of this quite interesting. > >I don't know why I still subscrib to this listserve. Nostalgia, I >guess. You see, I *WAS* a long time Mac user. From my first Mac plus, >to my Classic, LCII, Performa 550, Performa 6360, Motorola Starmax >240.....now PII 333MHz. > >I clearly remember the day that my copy of F/A-18 Hornet 1.0 arrived, in >its sleek red box. From then on, things were never the same. I >remember waiting more than 6 months for Korea 2.0 to finally be >released. I also remember the day that I found out that GSC would be >releasing Hornet on the PC. > >Some predicted the doomed future flat out. Others claimed that it would >only provide more resource to GSC and allow them to grow and create new >and better versions for the Mac and PC. Or was it the PC.....and Mac. > >At first I didn't want to believe the doomsday theorists. After all, >GSC was our pride and joy. We had something, for awhile, that those PC >pukes didn't. And it was better! > >I guess it was all those months of waiting for the Mac version of Hornet >Korea 3D, AFTER the PC version had already been released, that made me >see the light...er the darkside rather. :-) > >Deeper than that, I felt I had supported the platform long enough. It >was time to move on, no matter how painful, if I wanted to enjoy this >wild ride of modern computer gaming we are all on. > >I admire all those who still have faith in the Macintosh platform. >There is a new buzz in the air you say. The Mac is back and better than >ever. This is true if your idea of a gaming future on the Mac are those >shiny little disks that read, "Sony Playstation" on them. > >This is reality. This is the way things are headed. Sticking with the >Mac is a noble choice indeed. Staying with the underdog always is, >IMHO. But it IS a choice and it comes with consequences and drawbacks. > >Maybe one day things will change. But it could be awhile....or never. >Are you willing to wait? > >Please don't take this as a Mac bashing message. This is just my >personal view on the matter. Remember I have been on both sides. > >-- > >********************************************************************** >* Keith Harrison * "I'll have Spam, eggs, bacon, Spam * >* Wicked/ub86 * Spam, Spam, Spam, sausage, Spam, * >* Pale Horses Squadron(WBs 2.5) * Spam, Spam, ham, eggs, sausage, * >* ICQ# 9718310 * Spam, without the Spam!" * >* E-Mail: kch@hooked.net * -Monty Python * >********************************************************************** > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Champagne <dan@navnet.net> Subject: Re: (cww) GSC Date: 17 Jan 1999 22:31:23 -0500 My Two cents worth. I think the patch is not going to happen, >My thought is either GSC follows thru on their promises for the patch and >shows they haven't lied to everyone that supports them. Or we figure they >have no interest in us and boycott GSC It's too late, we bought the product. GSC has our $$. >This matter has been dragging on for quite awhile now. And it not affects >Mac users, but PC users too. Who wants to buy from a company that gives no >support? Excellent point. Dragging is an understatement and is causing a lot of fustration for us all. My guess is that GSC is making a sim for the Mac and PC. With the IMac being so popular GSC will want part of that market share. Just the IMac sales in Japan are outstanding. Maybe the new sim will have TCP/IP. But my guess is as good as yours. If that's not the case, what can we do? GSC has got our money, and our only sim choices will be any new sims, IE, Falcon and what ever else will be released. New titles for the Mac in flight sims are far and few between. I must agree with the point of GSC's poor customer response on the patch. From what I see, and I own both PC and Mac, the Mac GSC net flying and popularity far surpasses the PC's love for GSC's product. That may be due to the large quantities of PC sims, and GSC is just "another" sim for the PC. With that in mind, you would think GSC would focus on the loyal and intense Mac market though the buying power appears to be in favor for the PC. That may change with the IMac now in abundance. Why GSC is so tight lipped about any new project is beyond me. The only reason that comes to mind is they fear competition will take their idea and jump on it. That is reasonable, since a company like Janes has the infrastructure to put an idea into reality within months, and do a rocking job at it to boot. I doubt GSC will not make a sim for the Mac. A lot of IMacs out there compared to the time Korea or 3.0 was released. GSC doesn't appear to be interested in the Mac at the moment. On the other hand they show no intrest in the PC. Maybe they have put into policy a "know nothing" approach as they are working on this new sim. I never heard a peep about any plans of a sim for Mac or PC, except a small blurb on there message posting from a non GSC source on the message board. My final guess is they know Mac users are very appreciative of any sim release, and will jump onto the next title. Especially if the new sim has TCP/IP then the Korea patch issue may fade into the background. If GSC is making a fully featured flight sim for the Mac and PC, that would be a hard product to boycott. Could you pass on a new jet, with TCP/IP, new and better graphics, functioning cockpit, stunning 3d landscapes, realistic flight model and fluid game play? They probably figure by gones will be by gones, let alone the IMac "newbees" entering into the fray. They may have a new PR campaign in the works for the new sim's release. Everything I'm saying is just guess work, and I could be wrong. But the IMac sales is making the Mac look excellent for game development. GSC may drop the Mac, but I doubt it. That's a lot of money to say bye bye too. And the bottom line is money. How much extra money is to be made to port something to a large hungry, market share with little competition? If Micro prose is interested in the Mac, everyone's eyes are staring in same direction. Micro prose will make millions on the PC platform, yet they wanted Falcon for the Mac since day one. The smart thing for GSC is for a little PR work into the Mac community, and not to be so tight lipped. That approach is frustrating us Mac pilots, and we would like to see a light at the end of the tunnel. GSC should hire someone for PR. This tight lipped approach is a thing of the 1800's. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dale <cdb@mail.inficad.com> Subject: Re: (cww) GSC Date: 17 Jan 1999 20:26:02 -0700 At 10:31 PM -0500 1/17/99, Dan Champagne wrote: >My Two cents worth. I think the patch is not going to happen, > >>My thought is either GSC follows thru on their promises for the patch and >>shows they haven't lied to everyone that supports them. Or we figure they >>have no interest in us and boycott GSC > >It's too late, we bought the product. GSC has our $$. > They have our money, but that doesn't mean they need to get any more > >>This matter has been dragging on for quite awhile now. And it not affects >>Mac users, but PC users too. Who wants to buy from a company that gives no >>support? >Excellent point. Dragging is an understatement and is causing a lot of >fustration for us all. > >My guess is that GSC is making a sim for the Mac and PC. With the IMac >being so popular GSC will want part of that market share. Just the IMac >sales in Japan are outstanding. Maybe the new sim will have TCP/IP. But my >guess is as good as yours. If that's not the case, what can we do? GSC has >got our money, and our only sim choices will be any new sims, IE, Falcon >and what ever else will be released. Before we buy again, GSC has to understand the business pattern they have established is not acceptable >New titles for the Mac in flight sims >are far and few between. I must agree with the point of GSC's poor customer >response on the patch. From what I see, and I own both PC and Mac, the Mac >GSC net flying and popularity far surpasses the PC's love for GSC's >product. That may be due to the large quantities of PC sims, and GSC is >just "another" sim for the PC. With that in mind, you would think GSC would >focus on the loyal and intense Mac market though the buying power appears >to be in favor for the PC. That may change with the IMac now in abundance. >Why GSC is so tight lipped about any new project is beyond me. The only >reason that comes to mind is they fear competition will take their idea and >jump on it. That is reasonable, since a company like Janes has the >infrastructure to put an idea into reality within months, and do a rocking >job at it to boot. I doubt GSC will not make a sim for the Mac. A lot of >IMacs out there compared to the time Korea or 3.0 was released. GSC doesn't >appear to be interested in the Mac at the moment. On the other hand they >show no intrest in the PC. Maybe they have put into policy a "know nothing" >approach as they are working on this new sim. I never heard a peep about >any plans of a sim for Mac or PC, except a small blurb on there message >posting from a non GSC source on the message board. My final guess is they >know Mac users are very appreciative of any sim release, and will jump onto >the next title. Especially if the new sim has TCP/IP then the Korea patch >issue may fade into the background. If GSC is making a fully featured >flight sim for the Mac and PC, that would be a hard product to boycott. There is something coming. That I am positive of. What, I have no idea. Mac users have stuck with GSC in part because they were the only broad appeal sim in town. that will be ending. And Mac users are notorious for loyalty. But I could boycott it if it doesn't meet the capabilities that Falcon 4 has. The only thing I am waiting on is to find out how well cross paltform will work. I have heard of network code problems >Could you pass on a new jet, with TCP/IP, new and better graphics, >functioning cockpit, stunning 3d landscapes, realistic flight model and >fluid game play? They probably figure by gones will be by gones, let alone >the IMac "newbees" entering into the fray. They may have a new PR campaign >in the works for the new sim's release. Everything I'm saying is just >guess work, and I could be wrong. But the IMac sales is making the Mac look >excellent for game development. GSC may drop the Mac, but I doubt it. The old saying is "fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me" And I think we only have ourselves to blame as we were promised many things before H3 came out that were never delivered. Same again for HK. Boycotts can also take the path of wait and see and not be in such a hurry. >That's a lot of money to say bye bye too. And the bottom line is money. How >much extra money is to be made to port something to a large hungry, market >share with little competition? If Micro prose is interested in the Mac, >everyone's eyes are staring in same direction. Micro prose will make >millions on the PC platform, yet they wanted Falcon for the Mac since day >one. The smart thing for GSC is for a little PR work into the Mac >community, and not to be so tight lipped. That approach is frustrating us >Mac pilots, and we would like to see a light at the end of the tunnel. GSC >should hire someone for PR. This tight lipped approach is a thing of the >1800's. A point I made to Jon, GSC has been coasting. The problem with that is you can't do it forever. Eventually your momentum stops. GSC needs to let us know what is happening in honest, down to earth communications. not all the time, just every 6 or 12 months. They need to get back to the support they had during H1 when they built their name. I have mailed Trey before without an answer. Maybe he's tried of me hounding him :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: VFA246@aol.com Subject: Re: (cww) http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/bay/46 Date: 18 Jan 1999 00:08:18 EST no problem, I will forward everything. including what I just got. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Elton Aguilar <eeagle@teleport.com> Subject: (cww) Where's the TCP/IP Patch?...to Macworld Editors Date: 18 Jan 1999 08:14:49 -0800 To the Editors of MacWorld: Michael Gowan's review of Graphic Simulations (GSC) F/A-18 Hornet Korea was right on. Four and "a half" mice and "... the Ace of Mac flying sims." (reviewed Feb'99) It's an outstanding flight simulation in many aspects. I've been flying Hornet since version 1.0 and enjoyed it thoroughly. I probably have more hours in the virtual-jet than some of the brand new nuggets coming out of Naval Flight School. Hornet has the best in realism, complexity, a smooth flight modeling, and with a Voodoo/3dfx card, stunning 3D graphics. I just can't put this sim down! But, the best part of flying a fighter sim is going up against a human counterpart. The Art of Dogfighting can really be appreciated on a good flight sim. GSC has a good flight sim. However... This is where GSC lost that last half of the mouse. The networking code has been very poor. Not unplayable.... however, still poor. Hornet can be played on an LAN, modem-modem, or over the internet using a remote server (GSC doesn't not support the latter) with the Appletalk protocol. I've played it on most of these formats and it runs well ONLY if you go head to head with a single person. The challenge is when you add additional flyers. GSC states up to 4 players can fly together. However, this is not true under the current circumstances. Four players has never been stable enough to play. For example, players will drop out of the connection unknowingly. So, you can be flying around not knowing that you've disconnected, or some of the flyers can see you while others can not. Private communications between you and your wingmen have been a problem; your message intended for your wingmen can bleed over for all to read. The solution is to change the networking to the more stable form of multiplayer networking: TCP/IP Hornet started out as a Mac-only sim. However, over the last couple of years, during Apple's "hard times", GSC was forced to expand into the PC world. Hornet version 3.0 and Hornet Korea are now available for PC. Hornet Korea for PC was actually released before the Mac version. More importantly, the PC version was given the TCP/IP protocol! The Mac Flight-sim Community has been outraged by this for over a year now. (You can read the flames on the GSC BBS at http://www.graphsim.com ). GSC has been promising a release for a TCP/IP patch upgrade over the last year, but fail to come through. A former GSC programmer stated that the code has been written and just needed a weeks worth of de-bugging. Myself and others have felt that GSC has let down the Mac community and many have chosen to boycott them. What a shame. Elton Aguilar Vancouver, WA -- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Elton Aguilar eeagle@teleport.com Call sign: Echo Major, VMFA-323rd Cougars http://www.tstonramp.com/~kahuna/index.html :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dale <cdb@mail.inficad.com> Subject: Re: (cww) Where's the TCP/IP Patch?...to Macworld Editors Date: 18 Jan 1999 09:43:21 -0700 Really, really nice letter. I agree with it full heartedly. GSC's direct phone support is admirable, but their software support isn't. Whether GSC is wrapped up in a new sim and doesn't have the resources to create a patch and a new sim at the same time, or they are just coasting, till the software support improves I wouldn't recommend buying anything from GSC At 8:14 AM -0800 1/18/99, Elton Aguilar wrote: >To the Editors of MacWorld: > >Michael Gowan's review of Graphic Simulations (GSC) F/A-18 Hornet Korea >was right on. Four and "a half" mice and "... the Ace of Mac flying >sims." (reviewed Feb'99) > >It's an outstanding flight simulation in many aspects. I've been flying >Hornet since version 1.0 and enjoyed it thoroughly. I probably have >more hours in the virtual-jet than some of the brand new nuggets coming >out of Naval Flight School. Hornet has the best in realism, complexity, >a smooth flight modeling, and with a Voodoo/3dfx card, stunning 3D >graphics. I just can't put this sim down! But, the best part of flying a >fighter sim is going up against a human counterpart. The Art of >Dogfighting can really be appreciated on a good flight sim. GSC has a >good flight sim. However... > >This is where GSC lost that last half of the mouse. The networking code >has been very poor. Not unplayable.... however, still poor. Hornet can >be played on an LAN, modem-modem, or over the internet using a remote >server (GSC doesn't not support the latter) with the Appletalk >protocol. I've played it on most of these formats and it runs well ONLY >if you go head to head with a single person. The challenge is when you >add additional flyers. GSC states up to 4 players can fly together. >However, this is not true under the current circumstances. Four players >has never been stable enough to play. For example, players will drop out >of the connection unknowingly. So, you can be flying around not knowing >that you've disconnected, or some of the flyers can see you while others >can not. Private communications between you and your wingmen have been a >problem; your message intended for your wingmen can bleed over for all >to read. > >The solution is to change the networking to the more stable form of >multiplayer networking: TCP/IP > >Hornet started out as a Mac-only sim. However, over the last couple of >years, during Apple's "hard times", GSC was forced to expand into the PC >world. Hornet version 3.0 and Hornet Korea are now available for PC. >Hornet Korea for PC was actually released before the Mac version. More >importantly, the PC version was given the TCP/IP protocol! > >The Mac Flight-sim Community has been outraged by this for over a year >now. (You can read the flames on the GSC BBS at http://www.graphsim.com >). GSC has been promising a release for a TCP/IP patch upgrade over the >last year, but fail to come through. A former GSC programmer stated that >the code has been written and just needed a weeks worth of de-bugging. >Myself and others have felt that GSC has let down the Mac community and >many have chosen to boycott them. What a shame. > >Elton Aguilar >Vancouver, WA > >-- >::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: >::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: > >Elton Aguilar eeagle@teleport.com > Call sign: Echo > Major, VMFA-323rd Cougars >http://www.tstonramp.com/~kahuna/index.html >::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: >::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: > > ******************************************************* Callsign: Dale, Warbirds - cdb- ICQ# 3351618 Home Page: http://www.inficad.com/~cdb To join the CWW (Mac) or FSCombat (PC) listserver: http://www.inficad.com/~cdb/CWW/Media/listsub.html Flight Sim Competition Ladders http://www.xmission.com/~thon/CWW/Competition/fsgc.html ******************************************************* ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dale <cdb@mail.inficad.com> Subject: (cww) Fwd: Re: BBS Date: 18 Jan 1999 16:33:03 -0700 >From: "Jon Blum" <jonblum@pacbell.net> >To: "Dale" <cdb@mail.inficad.com> >Subject: Re: BBS >Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 14:34:17 -0800 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Priority: 3 > >Yea, I was running out of space (the new BBS is a HOG). I'm trimming it up >and will have it back online shortly. > >--Jon >-----Original Message----- >From: Dale <cdb@mail.inficad.com> >To: jonblum@pacbell.net <jonblum@pacbell.net> >Date: Monday, January 18, 1999 10:57 AM >Subject: BBS > > >>Hiya, >> >>The BBS is not accessible, error msg says the script is missing. Is this >>temporary or permanet? Either way, may I post your answer to let the guys >>know? >> >>Thanks >>Dale >> >>******************************************************* >>Callsign: Dale, Warbirds - cdb- ICQ# 3351618 >>Home Page: http://www.inficad.com/~cdb >> >>To join the CWW (Mac) or FSCombat (PC) listserver: >>http://www.inficad.com/~cdb/CWW/Media/listsub.html >> >>Flight Sim Competition Ladders >>http://www.xmission.com/~thon/CWW/Competition/fsgc.html >>******************************************************* >> >> > ******************************************************* Callsign: Dale, Warbirds - cdb- ICQ# 3351618 Home Page: http://www.inficad.com/~cdb To join the CWW (Mac) or FSCombat (PC) listserver: http://www.inficad.com/~cdb/CWW/Media/listsub.html Flight Sim Competition Ladders http://www.xmission.com/~thon/CWW/Competition/fsgc.html ******************************************************* ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dale <thon@xmission.com> Subject: (cww) Keyboard Overlays Date: 20 Jan 1999 11:16:56 -700 Just a reminder for you dedicated flight sim nuts :) Bob Haffner has a number of keyboard overlays available for Mac users only. His web page can be found at: http://www.fscwv.edu/webteam/bob/overlays/overlays.html e has overlays available for the following: A-10 Attack! (XT) (69k) A-10 Attack! (AD) (69k) A-10 Weapons Load Chart (17k) Air Warrior v3.57 (XT) (38k) Air Warrior v3.57 (AD) (38k) Blank (XT) (10k) - Make your own overlay Chuck Yeager's Air Combat (XT) (41k) Dogfight City (XT) (41k) Dogfight City (AD) (41k) Duke Nukem 3D (XT) (32k) Duke Nukem 3D (AD) (32k) Escape Velocity (XT) (32k) Escape Velocity (AD) (32k) Hellcats/Leyte Gulf (XT) (32k) F/A-18 Hornet 2.0 (XT) (60k) F/A-18 Hornet 2.0 (AD) (60k) F/A-18 Hornet 3.0 (XT) v2 (137k) F/A-18 Hornet 3.0 (AD) v2 (137k) Falcon MC (XT) (42k) Flight Simulator 4.0 (XT) (36k) Flight Unlimited (XT) (36k) Flight Unlimited (AD) (36k) Thrustmaster Joystick/Throttle Chart (15k) WarBirds (╪verlays, maps and charts) WWII SkyFighters 1.0 (XT) (36k) WWII SkyFighters 1.0 (AD) (36k) X-Plane 3.6 (XT) v2 (63k) X-Plane 3.6 (AD) v2 (63k) X-Plane 2.7 (XT) (48k) X-Plane 2.7 (AD) (48k) X-Wing 1.0 v1 (XT) (125k) X-Wing 1.0 v1 (AD) (125k) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dale <thon@xmission.com> Subject: (cww) GSC Hornet patches Date: 21 Jan 1999 13:39:39 -700 This is taken from the MacGaming web page: InputSprocket for Hornet: Korea still on track by MacGaming Staff, email@macgaming.com January 21, 1999, 11:00 am ET MacGaming.com chatted with folks at Graphic Simulations Corporation yesterday, and the company assures us that work to make their flight simulator Hornet: Korea compatible with the InputSprocket component of Apple's Game Sprockets technology is still on track. The company hit a couple of snags along the way that created some unexpected delay, but the makers of the Hornet series expect to have the software available within the next couple of weeks. We'll keep you apprised of their progress. Hornet: Korea is the latest iteration of a series of F/A-18 flight simulators developed by the company. This most recent version incorporates support for 3Dfx Voodoo Graphics and Voodoo2 acceleration cards, providing more realistic texture mapping and smoother frame rates. The company is purportedly working on new titles, but has released no information about future releases at this time. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Champagne <dan@navnet.net> Subject: Re: (cww) GSC Hornet patches Date: 21 Jan 1999 23:20:04 -0500 Hate to sound dumb, but does this mean TCP/IP for Korea? Thanks for the update! >This is taken from the MacGaming web page: > >InputSprocket for Hornet: Korea still on track >by MacGaming Staff, email@macgaming.com >January 21, 1999, 11:00 am ET ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Elton Aguilar <eeagle@teleport.com> Subject: (cww) [Fwd: Your Letter to Macworld] Date: 27 Jan 1999 20:58:13 +0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------1B3A60C67A7C79A5B8A76807 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LOL!! Hey guys.... MacWorld may post my letter regarding no TCP/IP for HK!!!! Keep your eyes out for next months issue :-) Maybe something may come of this. ...and then again, lets not get our hopes up. If anyone wants to see a copy of my letter to MW... email me. Echo -- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Elton Aguilar eeagle@teleport.com Call sign: Echo Major, VMFA-323rd Cougars http://people.ce.mediaone.net/jcree1/cougars/ Aguilar Family Home Page http://www.teleport.com/~eeagle/AguilarFamHome.html :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: --------------1B3A60C67A7C79A5B8A76807 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: by mail2 for eeagle (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.21 1997/08/10) Wed Jan 27 14:03:45 1999) X-From_: michael_gowan@macworld.com Wed Jan 27 19:49:08 1999 Return-Path: <michael_gowan@macworld.com> Delivered-To: eeagle@teleport.com Received: (qmail 9840 invoked from network); 27 Jan 1999 19:49:07 -0000 Received: from ias1.iacnet.com (140.244.1.69) by smtp8.teleport.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 1999 19:49:07 -0000 Received: from Electra.iswest.zd.com by ias1.iacnet.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #29584) with SMTP id <01J71F5A2Q86001S8M@ias1.iacnet.com> for eeagle@teleport.com; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 14:49:06 EST Received: from [155.40.165.86] ([155.40.165.86]) by Electra.iswest.zd.com (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) with SMTP id 88256706.006C31B1; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:41:46 -0800 X-Sender: mgowan@electra.iswest.zd.com Message-id: <v04011709b2d5120987bd@[155.40.165.86]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Thanks for your letter to Macworld regarding F/A-18 Hornet. We would like to print the letter in an upcoming issue, but we need to verify your name and address. Please provide: 1. Your full name as you would like it to appear 2. Your city and state Please respond to michael_gowan@macworld.com as soon as you read this message. Thanks! Michael Gowan Assistant Editor Macworld --------------1B3A60C67A7C79A5B8A76807-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: rlsnow <rlsnow@ameritech.net> Subject: (cww) Joysticks Date: 28 Jan 1999 06:52:44 -0600 Can anyone reccommend a joystick. I want to use it for Hornet, Hornet Korea, Warbirds and possibly X-plane. For the time being my machine is a Performa 6320, but looking at a future upgrade to G3. Thanks ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Champagne <dan@navnet.net> Subject: Re: (cww) Joysticks Date: 28 Jan 1999 10:11:18 -0500 A great joystick is the CH Fighter Stick. 30 commands and a side throttle wheel. Rugged, good pots, long lasting, esay to program. Rock solid, strudy. For an investment in something that is going to last that stick will do you good. Can anyone reccommend a joystick. >I want to use it for Hornet, Hornet Korea, Warbirds and possibly X-plane. >For the time being my machine is a Performa 6320, but looking at a future >upgrade to G3. > >Thanks ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Nick Harman" <nharman@copycom.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: (cww) Joysticks Date: 28 Jan 1999 14:26:43 +0000 I have a g3 233 But if you are gettin a new type g3, you get the usb port and so a world of choice opens up I have the old Thrustmaster FCS and it rox, but its no longer available for adb macs But... all the PC TM stuff is usb. Personally I think TM is the best and I know from painful experience that Gravis Firebird is major shit Id look at the TM Topgun meself or ask the warbirds people. If anyone has combat stick experience, they do! Nick (kokney) Harman ---------- >From: rlsnow <rlsnow@ameritech.net> >To: <cww@lists.xmission.com> >Subject: (cww) Joysticks >Date: Thu, Jan 28, 1999, 12:52 pm > >Can anyone reccommend a joystick. >I want to use it for Hornet, Hornet Korea, Warbirds and possibly X-plane. >For the time being my machine is a Performa 6320, but looking at a future >upgrade to G3. > >Thanks > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dale <thon@xmission.com> Subject: (cww) No TM Mac support Date: 28 Jan 1999 13:37:21 -700 From MacGaming.com (http://www.macgaming.com/games/features/thrustmasterconf.shtml) by Peter Cohen, flargh@macgaming.com USB, or Universal Serial Bus, was first adopted on the iMac and has since been incorporated into Apple's new Pro line of blue and white G3 systems. The new interface has been a saving grace of Apple's new computers, since it enables Mac users to utilize hardware products that otherwise might never come to the Mac. Thrustmaster was one of the first companies out of the gate last fall with USB joysticks and game controllers. Since then, Mac users have been awaiting the arrival of custom button mapping software from Thrustmaster to add joystick support for older games which do not support InputSprocket. According to Thrustmaster, that software won't be coming. This contradicts earlier reports from the company, which Thrustmaster's USB product manager Robert Kubis indicates may have been mistaken. "We decided to conform with InputSprocket only because of our internal development resources," said Kubis in a recent telephone conversation with MacGaming.com. "We have a limited amount of resources to direct to our projects, and we had to make best use of what we have." Thrustmaster's previous assertion that custom mapping software for the Top Gun USB would be coming was erroneous, according to Kubis. "We did develop mapping software for the PC, so [the individual who provided that information] may have gotten the two platforms confused. We never developed Top Gun USB mapping software for the iMac. We threw all of our development resources into developing our Fusion gamepad software for the iMac." Kubis indicated that the decision was made when it was clear that the Fusion would be well-received by Mac gamers and Mac retailers. The Fusion gamepad, a USB-based game controller which works with both PC's and Macs, utilizes a custom InputSprocket library, as do many of the USB game peripherals from other manufacturers. The Top Gun USB joystick still works on the Mac, but it does so with Apple's own joystick library, rather than a custom library like the Fusion's. Up until the release of Apple's InputSprocket Game Sprockets component, game developers and game controller manufacturers had two choices: use customized API's that enabled games to call the controller directly, or depend on manufacturer-provided mapping software and system-level drivers that enabled gamers to program the controller's buttons to emulate keyboard or mouse movement within the game. InputSprocket instead provides a system-level method for supporting game controllers. The convenience of InputSprocket has given some manufacturers the impetus to declare that their controllers will only work with games capable of supporting InputSprocket. Thrustmaster's Kubis indicates that- for now- the company only officially supports the use of the Fusion and the Top Gun USB with the iMac, since it's the only USB-equipped Mac that Thrustmaster's development and testing staff has access to. Kubis expects the company to expand its official support as it gains access to the new Power Mac G3's first shown at Macworld Expo in San Francisco earlier this month. Thrustmaster's support of the Macintosh has been lacking for quite some time, a point that wasn't missed on Kubis. "We did abandon the Mac about a year and a half ago. The sales just weren't there compared with the PC market...the iMac changed that, though. We're now officially supporting iMacs." Kubis cites John Carmack's comments during that Expo's keynote address as an important stepping stone for the Mac's more widespread acceptance in the game industry. "I think Carmack's endorsement is the best thing to happen to the Mac in the last few years," said Kubis. "It put a lot of confidence out to game developers to say 'Maybe we should be looking at this again.'" Does this signal more widespread support for the platform from Thrustmaster? Perhaps, if sales of the Fusion gamepad remain strong. For now, however, gamers interested in mapping software that works with USB joysticks are better served by offerings from CH Products and Ariston. CH Products has already offered a beta version of their mapping software, and Ariston has indicated plans to release their own. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Elton Aguilar <eeagle@teleport.com> Subject: Re: (cww) Joysticks Date: 28 Jan 1999 20:01:49 +0000 I'm an avid Thrustmaster joystick fan.... BUT, I don't recommend the TOPGUN version. Even though it is very similar to the Mark I stick (...and I love my Mac Mark I), the components (POTS) are very poor quality. I have two of them that I use on a couple of PC's at work and they are terrible. The rubber boot at the bottom of the stick limits the motion. I've had to unscrew the base of the rubber boot to give it more play. Both of my sticks have bad hat-switch switches. Definite THUMBS DOWN! I agree with Rick regarding the Firebird.... stay away from it. Just my 2 cents about the TOPGUN version. Nick Harman wrote: > I have a g3 233 > > But if you are gettin a new type g3, you get the usb port and so a world of > choice opens up > > I have the old Thrustmaster FCS and it rox, but its no longer available for > adb macs > > But... all the PC TM stuff is usb. Personally I think TM is the best and I > know from painful experience that Gravis Firebird is major shit > > Id look at the TM Topgun meself or ask the warbirds people. If anyone has > combat stick experience, they do! > > Nick (kokney) Harman > ---------- > >From: rlsnow <rlsnow@ameritech.net> > >To: <cww@lists.xmission.com> > >Subject: (cww) Joysticks > >Date: Thu, Jan 28, 1999, 12:52 pm > > > > >Can anyone reccommend a joystick. > >I want to use it for Hornet, Hornet Korea, Warbirds and possibly X-plane. > >For the time being my machine is a Performa 6320, but looking at a future > >upgrade to G3. > > > >Thanks > > -- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Elton Aguilar eeagle@teleport.com Call sign: Echo Major, VMFA-323rd Cougars http://people.ce.mediaone.net/jcree1/cougars/ Aguilar Family Home Page http://www.teleport.com/~eeagle/AguilarFamHome.html :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: VFA246@aol.com Subject: Re: (cww) Joysticks Date: 29 Jan 1999 05:26:11 EST CH F-16 stick with CH Pro Throttle. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: VFA246@aol.com Subject: Re: (cww) Joysticks Date: 29 Jan 1999 05:28:28 EST Worst stick ever: Gravis Mousestick II Best Stick ever: CH F-16 Fighterstick ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dale <thon@xmission.com> Subject: (cww) AirWarrior Date: 29 Jan 1999 12:18:59 -700 From macgaming.com (http://www.macgaming.com/news/9901/jan29.shtml) GameStorm releases Air Warrior As we first reported to you more than a month ago, Kesmai Studios and GameStorm have released Air Warrior for Mac. GameStorm is the online gaming service of Kesmai. Originally developed as an online game playable through America Online, Air Warrior is seeing renewed life on the Internet. Air Warrior is an online dogfighting game that puts you in the cockpit of myriad vintage aircraft ranging from World War I-era biplanes to Korean War-era jets. Air Warrior for Mac is back again in part because of the enormous retail success of Apple's iMac. The game is available for free play as part of a public beta-test. The game in its present incarnation is several generations behind its PC counterpart, but as a result it has relatively modest system requirements: LCIII minimum (Power PC recommended), Mac System 7.0 or higher, 8 MB of RAM (16 MB of RAM with 4.5 MB free recommended), 6 MB free hard drive space (for minimum download), monitor capable of 640X480 or greater resolution in 256 colors, 14.4 bps modem, and ADB joystick or mouse (both recommended).