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From: Jess Jensen <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: Note worthy
Date: 03 Dec 1998 21:51:18 -0500

I thought some of you might be interested in this.
Last week while at the Ducati shop ,I ran into Chip (SLBMW)-
having Mark Cohan's Yellow K1200rs on the Dyno.
Turns out the k12 runs at 104 hp to the rear wheel,
not as much as many of us k1200 guy's had hoped
for. Chip explained that he (the shop)are going too
put a Remas sport pip on it ,and  wanted to see
the hp difference before and after.About a hour later
Chip/dip returned with a much sportier sounding bike-
not at all offensive.On to the Dyno it goes.
The results were very impressive, 3 to 4 hp increase
at midrange, and a full 10 hp overall . The pip is around =

7 to 8 lb. lighter ,so there's additional 1 hp. So fer a little
more than half the price of a staintune ," you get more
power"......erff......erff....erff..!

Gota have one!!

Bob

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: BB: Note worthy
Date: 03 Dec 1998 22:14:48 EST

Bob: We should experiment with a d&d and my supertrapp on your K bike
Bring it out and I will break out the cutting torch.
Crit

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From: Gavin Wallace <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Note worthy
Date: 03 Dec 1998 20:42:57 -0700

The only other dyno test (at sea level) of the K1200RS that I read about
indicated 112-114 horse puppies at the wheel.  These numbers would be in
line with the difference in elevation.  Bob, you need to buy a new
accessory anyway.  It's been what? A week since your last purchase?  I'm
only guessing........

GAV

Jess Jensen wrote:

> I thought some of you might be interested in this.
> Last week while at the Ducati shop ,I ran into Chip (SLBMW)-
> having Mark Cohan's Yellow K1200rs on the Dyno.
> Turns out the k12 runs at 104 hp to the rear wheel,
> not as much as many of us k1200 guy's had hoped
> for. Chip explained that he (the shop)are going too
> put a Remas sport pip on it ,and  wanted to see
> the hp difference before and after.About a hour later
> Chip/dip returned with a much sportier sounding bike-
> not at all offensive.On to the Dyno it goes.
> The results were very impressive, 3 to 4 hp increase
> at midrange, and a full 10 hp overall . The pip is around
> 7 to 8 lb. lighter ,so there's additional 1 hp. So fer a little
> more than half the price of a staintune ," you get more
> power"......erff......erff....erff..!
>
> Gota have one!!
>
> Bob
>
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From: Gavin Wallace <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Note worthy
Date: 03 Dec 1998 20:45:45 -0700

Which two cylinders are you going to remove?  Can you make it look as
ugly as a boxer?  If you make a mistake, put different handlebars on it
and call it Cruiser.

GAV

[e-mail] wrote:

> Bob: We should experiment with a d&d and my supertrapp on your K bike
> Bring it out and I will break out the cutting torch.
> Crit
>
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From: Jess Jensen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Note worthy
Date: 03 Dec 1998 23:11:08 -0500

Not sure if i want to dignify that Crit.

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From: Jess Jensen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Note worthy
Date: 03 Dec 1998 23:14:15 -0500

I don't keep track,or i would feel guilty......Gav.

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From: Jess Jensen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Note worthy
Date: 03 Dec 1998 23:18:13 -0500

I think you could call it a looser........Im sure Big D, would have a fue=

choice names for it.

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From: "DeVern Gerber" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Note worthy
Date: 03 Dec 1998 22:20:40 -0700

Yeeeeehhhaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwww!!
Bob and His Munificence in the garage with a cutting torch!!
Guaranteed to be a show in true Barnum tradition; can I handle the
ticket sales????

DeVern


On 3 Dec 98, at 22:14, [e-mail] wrote:

> Bob: We should experiment with a d&d and my supertrapp on your K bike
> Bring it out and I will break out the cutting torch. Crit
>
> -
>
>


DeVern Gerber     [e-mail]

1997 Iron Butt Finisher, 1999 Iron Butt Entrant

'83 R80ST
'95 R1100RSL "Das Amsdel"  (Fliegen Sie Hoch und Schnell!)

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From: "DeVern Gerber" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Note worthy
Date: 03 Dec 1998 22:39:24 -0700

Yeah, but Bob--that was a DUCATI dyno.  We all know that Italian
horsepower are smaller than German horsepower.  This is why the
Italians are always doing that swagger and machismo thing, to
make their horsepower seem larger.  If you want accurate numbers
 you need to truck your machine to a good GERMAN dyno and
make a few runs.  My guess is that they probably put Italian gas in
your machine, too, before performing the dyno runs, and of course
we all know what happens when you run Italian gas!.

DeVern

PS:  If you doubt my word on this you can prove it yourself.  Just
buy a good German dyno (you don't have one yet, do you??),
install it in your garage, and invite your friends to bring their two-
wheeled spaghetti stretchers over for a run.


On 3 Dec 98, at 21:51, Jess Jensen wrote:

> I thought some of you might be interested in this.
> Last week while at the Ducati shop ,I ran into Chip (SLBMW)-
> having Mark Cohan's Yellow K1200rs on the Dyno.
> Turns out the k12 runs at 104 hp to the rear wheel,
> not as much as many of us k1200 guy's had hoped
> for. Chip explained that he (the shop)are going too
> put a Remas sport pip on it ,and  wanted to see
> the hp difference before and after.About a hour later
> Chip/dip returned with a much sportier sounding bike-
> not at all offensive.On to the Dyno it goes.
> The results were very impressive, 3 to 4 hp increase
> at midrange, and a full 10 hp overall . The pip is around
> 7 to 8 lb. lighter ,so there's additional 1 hp. So fer a little
> more than half the price of a staintune ," you get more
> power"......erff......erff....erff..!
>
> Gota have one!!
>
> Bob
>
> -
>
>


DeVern Gerber     [e-mail]

1997 Iron Butt Finisher, 1999 Iron Butt Entrant

'83 R80ST
'95 R1100RSL "Das Amsdel"  (Fliegen Sie Hoch und Schnell!)

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From: Jess Jensen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Note worthy
Date: 04 Dec 1998 08:54:57 -0500

I think there will be a very special award for you this year  DeVern. The=

Snooze award..........YeeeHHaaa.

Robert

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From: "Tom Deaver" <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: Re: Note worthy
Date: 04 Dec 1998 10:51:30 -0700

Bob,

I told you I can get you you a PT-6 turbine rated at 900 shaft hp.  ONly
weights 220 lbs. should fit in you frame.

Can you hang on?

Deav
-----Original Message-----
<[e-mail]>


I thought some of you might be interested in this.
Last week while at the Ducati shop ,I ran into Chip (SLBMW)-
having Mark Cohan's Yellow K1200rs on the Dyno.
Turns out the k12 runs at 104 hp to the rear wheel,
not as much as many of us k1200 guy's had hoped
for. Chip explained that he (the shop)are going too
put a Remas sport pip on it ,and  wanted to see
the hp difference before and after.About a hour later
Chip/dip returned with a much sportier sounding bike-
not at all offensive.On to the Dyno it goes.
The results were very impressive, 3 to 4 hp increase
at midrange, and a full 10 hp overall . The pip is around
7 to 8 lb. lighter ,so there's additional 1 hp. So fer a little
more than half the price of a staintune ," you get more
power"......erff......erff....erff..!

Gota have one!!

Bob

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From: "Tom Deaver" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Note worthy
Date: 04 Dec 1998 10:54:26 -0700

Can I take out the insurance policy made payable to me?

Deav
-----Original Message-----


Yeeeeehhhaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwww!!
Bob and His Munificence in the garage with a cutting torch!!
Guaranteed to be a show in true Barnum tradition; can I handle the
ticket sales????

DeVern


On 3 Dec 98, at 22:14, [e-mail] wrote:

> Bob: We should experiment with a d&d and my supertrapp on your K bike
> Bring it out and I will break out the cutting torch. Crit
>
> -
>
>


DeVern Gerber     [e-mail]

1997 Iron Butt Finisher, 1999 Iron Butt Entrant

'83 R80ST
'95 R1100RSL "Das Amsdel"  (Fliegen Sie Hoch und Schnell!)

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From: Jess Jensen <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: Re: Beemers Exciting??? was Ducati Myths
Date: 04 Dec 1998 18:46:30 -0500

Though the list might like to see some of the things that are said on the=
 Ducati list.

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>BMW's are the most misunderstood,  underappreciated bikes I can think of=
.
>You need to come to some of the DOCC events and see the "old timers" com=
e
>to the track, take off their bags and tankbags,  tape up their lights an=
d
>mirrors amd then proceed to KICK ASS.

That doesn't make them exciting or fast.  It's the rider who's fast, or
crazy.  Just look at Reg Pridmore blow everyone away on VFR with a pillio=
n
on back.  You intimated it, they are bikes for "old timers" -- over-price=
d
and over-weight, but comfortable and fast enough for the individual who i=
s
not ready for that Gold Wing, yet can no longer stand the pain of a Ducat=
i
or considers a VFR slumming it.  I've owned BMW's (back in the mid-70's
when they were still the best handling and fastest bikes around) and don'=
t
think they are misunderstood.

Admittedly, Ducati's are overly-fast and over-sexed for my own good.  But=

they are too fun and give me a great workout when I ride in exchange for
some minor pain and stiffness the morning.  Much cheaper than a trophy wi=
fe
and she'll never ask me to start another family -- "honey, wouldn't you
like to have a little Monster running around."  Er, forget what I said
about kids.  Damn, maybe I should've gotten a BMW after all. Anyway,
remember it's all about two wheels, not what you ride.

Gotta go, gotta ride.
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From: "DeVern Gerber" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Re: Beemers Exciting??? was Ducati Myths
Date: 04 Dec 1998 17:03:08 -0700

Hey, Bob-- those Duc guys are just pissed because BMW won't
lend an air of authenticity to the R1100S by embedding a dead fly
in the yellow paint....

DeVern

PS:  When do most Duc guys participate in motorcycle
discussions ??  Pick one:

A.  When they're waiting in line at the chiropracter's office.

B.  When they're waiting for the mechanic to remove the heads on
the Duc and adjust the clearances on the desmo works??

C.  When they meet at the shop on Saturdays to find out how
many more weeks they have to wait for their parts.

D.  While waiting in line at the insurance adjuster's office  (I recall
seeing a published insurance industry stat showing over 50% of
new Ducs are crashed in the first year of ownership)

The quiz is on...


On 4 Dec 98, at 18:46, Jess Jensen wrote:

> Though the list might like to see some of the things that are said on the
> Ducati list.
>

DeVern Gerber     [e-mail]

1997 Iron Butt Finisher, 1999 Iron Butt Entrant

'83 R80ST
'95 R1100RSL "Das Amsdel"  (Fliegen Sie Hoch und Schnell!)

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: BB: Note worthy
Date: 04 Dec 1998 19:25:20 EST

No Devern you can't I have a friend, female, Who is an executive in Salt Lake
with a ticket company, she rides a K100 RS.
Crit

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From: Jess Jensen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Re: Beemers Exciting??? was Ducati Myths
Date: 04 Dec 1998 21:00:22 -0500

Ok......Ok......Ok.......Big D.

A- is good

B- is Bad

C- Is about the same as Beamers.

D. The Ducati is one of the most desirable bikes on the road,best
looks,best performance.
      Put it all togather and you have a recipe for Squiddom.Plus -there
just simply inspiring!
      They make you want to ride faster.So....easy to see why, the higher=

crash rate......
       Alot of them end up crashing on race tracks.............."So
there"!!
       =

       DeVern: I have Right side & Left side Bike's.......Who could want
for more..........(.No flame please.)  =

       Good By.
        Bob
                                                                         =
  =

                Your mind=3DBMW
        =

                                                                         =
  =

                 Your mind on drugs =3DHarley

                                                                         =
  =

                 Your mind on a high=3DDucati =


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: BB: Re: Beemers Exciting??? was Ducati Myths
Date: 04 Dec 1998 21:04:56 EST

There are two statutes in a Park, one is male and one is female and they have
been starring at each other for almost one hundred years. An angel comes by
and makes them alive and gives them 10 minutes to do anything they want. They
come back in 5 minutes and the angel says, don't you want the other 5 minutes
the male turns to the female and says, Ok, only this time you hold down the
pigeon, while I shit on it.

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From: john beeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: No show at Christmas Party
Date: 06 Dec 1998 19:31:35 -0800

Lila and I will not be able to make it over to the dinner next
Saturday.  The local high school has asked me to take the next two weeks
of classes for a math teacher. (quit with no notice).  Quit laughing Big
D.  So, we don't have enough time to make the trip.

    Just to let you know, the Chief Joseph has been moved to Klamath
Falls.  Same weekend ( third wknd June).  It will be on the OIT campus,
Oregon Institute of Tech.  There are some great rides from there. Crater
Lake is about an hour ride and there are other great rides in the
Cascades.

Anyway, sorry we won't get be there next Saturday.

John B
Sisters,or

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From: "DeVern Gerber" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: No show at Christmas Party
Date: 06 Dec 1998 20:51:52 -0700

On 6 Dec 98, at 19:31, john beeson wrote:

> Lila and I will not be able to make it over to the dinner next
> Saturday.  The local high school has asked me to take the next two weeks
> of classes for a math teacher. (quit with no notice).  Quit laughing Big
> D.  So, we don't have enough time to make the trip.

Laughing??  Hell, I'm tipping my hat in admiration.  One who finally
came to his senses-- not too many people get to pull off a job
change where they get a raise as well as reduce their blood
pressure and personal safety risks, all in one fell swoop.    :^)

Sorry you won't be able to make it, I was really looking forward to
seeing you and Lila again and kicking tires about the R80ST.
>
>     Just to let you know, the Chief Joseph has been moved to Klamath
> Falls.  Same weekend ( third wknd June).  It will be on the OIT campus,
> Oregon Institute of Tech.  There are some great rides from there. Crater
> Lake is about an hour ride and there are other great rides in the
> Cascades.

This is good news.  While I never attend the rally at Hepner, I know
that the roads around Hepner are great but the rally site left
something to be desired.  Only problem is, I'll bet the rally will once
again fall on the same weekend as the Utah 1088 and I'm already
committed to that.  Maybe in 2000...

>
> Anyway, sorry we won't get be there next Saturday.
>
> John B

You will be missed!

DeVern

DeVern Gerber     [e-mail]

1997 Iron Butt Finisher, 1999 Iron Butt Entrant

'83 R80ST
'95 R1100RSL "Das Amsdel"  (Fliegen Sie Hoch und Schnell!)

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From: "Tom Deaver" <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: Re: No show at Christmas Party
Date: 06 Dec 1998 21:33:02 -0700

John,

Thanks for the  info about the party and Chief Joseph.   It'll be fun to run
Hiway 140 to the sea.

Tom Deaver

-----Original Message-----


>Lila and I will not be able to make it over to the dinner next
>Saturday.  The local high school has asked me to take the next two weeks
>of classes for a math teacher. (quit with no notice).  Quit laughing Big
>D.  So, we don't have enough time to make the trip.
>
>    Just to let you know, the Chief Joseph has been moved to Klamath
>Falls.  Same weekend ( third wknd June).  It will be on the OIT campus,
>Oregon Institute of Tech.  There are some great rides from there. Crater
>Lake is about an hour ride and there are other great rides in the
>Cascades.
>
>Anyway, sorry we won't get be there next Saturday.
>
>John B
>Sisters,or
>
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>
>


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From: Jess Jensen <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: No show at Christmas Party
Date: 07 Dec 1998 09:24:00 -0500

,I was hopeing you could keep Big D, company on the back row. I guess he'=
ll
have to sit alone now.
You'll be missed John, take care.

Bob

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From: "DeVern Gerber" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: No show at Christmas Party
Date: 07 Dec 1998 07:36:38 -0700

On 7 Dec 98, at 9:24, Jess Jensen wrote:

> ,I was hopeing you could keep Big D, company on the back row. I guess
> he'll have to sit alone now.

Yeah, Bobster-- in the seat right in front of yours!
:^)

DG



DeVern Gerber     [e-mail]

1997 Iron Butt Finisher, 1999 Iron Butt Entrant

'83 R80ST
'95 R1100RSL "Das Amsdel"  (Fliegen Sie Hoch und Schnell!)

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From: "Thomas W. Kullen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: Park City Motorcycle Week
Date: 09 Dec 1998 13:27:49 -0700

Donald Sanborn wrote:
>
> ALERT - - - - ALERT - - - -  ALERT  - - - - ALERT - - -  ALERT - - -  ALERT
>
> WE NEED YOUR SUPPORT AT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING
>
> WHEN:   THURSDAY DEC 10th AT 5:30 PM
>
> WHERE:  CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS MARSAC BUILDING, 445 MARSAC AVE,  FIRST FLOOR
>
> The Park City Council will be voting on the Festival License for the Park
> City Motorcycle Week to be held on Sept 16 - 19, 1999.  We need a strong
> show of support from our Club at the City Council meeting Thursday December
> 10th. It is important that we show up at the Council Chambers IN NUMBERS.
> If the application is approved it will be a big boost for the hotel,
> restaurants and retail merchants of Park City on what would otherwise be a
> slow September weekend. In addition several local charities will directly
> benefit from the event.  On top of all of these benefits to our resort
> community it will be a fun event that will be long remembered by all.
>
> It would also be very helpful if you have a chance before the Thursday
> meeting to call the following City Council members and personally state
> your support for the event:
>
> Shauna Kerr         Off   658 1818   Home 649 6718
> Hugh Daniels        Off   645 3931   Home 645 8187
> Chuck Kleinstein   Off   649 3368   Home 649 1057
>
> Donald R. Sanborn 3084 American Saddler, Park City, UT 84060
> Office Phone [phone]  Home 435-655-0760 Fax [phone]
> Email: [e-mail]


  It would be helpful if you guys could call the council people
on the list and tell them they should vote for Park City Motorcycle
Week.  A strong positive input will finally put one of the premier
motorcycle events in the country right in your home state. If you call
and get the councilpersons answering machine, just leave a message
supporting the event-you do not need to mention that you do not live in
Park City if that is the case-just your name. All three coucil members
should be called.

   The event will include AHRMA Vintage Roadraces, Motorcross, Trials,
in Park City and Flat Track in Heber. A Concours and demo rides from
various motorcycle manufacturers and parts & accessory mnfrs. will also
be included. Any questions, give me a call: 435.649.7169 or check the
website at www.parkcitymotorcycle.com

Cheers,

Tom Kullen

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From: "Thomas W. Kullen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: Park City Motorcycle Week
Date: 10 Dec 1998 22:21:51 -0700

It's official!!!!! Just returned from the City Council meeting and
by a margin of 4-1....Park City Motorcycle Week is on!!!! If allowed
a moment during the Christmas party, I'll present the details.

Cheers,

Tom

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From: "Tom Deaver" <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: tomorrows elections and din-din
Date: 11 Dec 1998 20:36:12 -0700

Bob,

I'm sending this message via both addresses to make sure you get it. ASAP

Tell Linda I have new and as current as I can get them rosters for all of
the club officers, including new ones.  I also have 100 additional ballots
for the club officers elections.

I'll be arriving about 12:30 p.m. or 1/2 hour early to assist with any set
up needed.

See you tomorrow.

Tom Deaver
PS:  Is there ever a time when your telephone line is not busy?  How many
teenagers live at your address anyway?


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From: "DeVern Gerber" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: tomorrows elections and din-din
Date: 11 Dec 1998 23:12:29 -0700

It isn't the teenagers, it's just the Bobster spending his days and
nights searching the internet for pearls of wisdom to cast before the
swine.  Remember when he had a life????

:^)  :^)

DeVern

PS:  Bobster-- if you cast pearls before swine the what do you cast
before ducks???

On 11 Dec 98, at 20:36, Tom Deaver wrote:

> Bob,
>
> I'm sending this message via both addresses to make sure you get it. ASAP
>
> Tell Linda I have new and as current as I can get them rosters for all of
> the club officers, including new ones.  I also have 100 additional ballots
> for the club officers elections.
>
> I'll be arriving about 12:30 p.m. or 1/2 hour early to assist with any set
> up needed.
>
> See you tomorrow.
>
> Tom Deaver
> PS:  Is there ever a time when your telephone line is not busy?  How many
> teenagers live at your address anyway?
>
>
> -
>
>


DeVern Gerber     [e-mail]

1997 Iron Butt Finisher, 1999 Iron Butt Entrant

'83 R80ST
'95 R1100RSL "Das Amsdel"  (Fliegen Sie Hoch und Schnell!)

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From: Jess Jensen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: tomorrows elections and din-din
Date: 12 Dec 1998 10:02:51 -0500

That was fairly profound for you Big d. My guess would be=3D Ducati does =
the
casting,and once caught ,you can never go back!
Remember Big d, Everyone wants DNA..........".Ducati North
America"!.........
Now leave me alone..........I have to put my Beamer hat on.....


Bob

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From: "Michael Clark" <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: New Web Site Location
Date: 12 Dec 1998 18:15:11 -0700

BBers,

The club web site is now at http://www.aspengrove.com/beehive. The original
site will direct you to this new site.

-- Mike


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From: "Tom Deaver" <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: Doubtful origins
Date: 12 Dec 1998 22:03:10 -0700

To all Beehive Beemers,

Be it known to all club members that contrary to some conversations held at
today's dinner I am NOT the originator of the request for the Club Bylaw
changes.  I spoke up, voluntarily, once.  It was during the first meeting
where this subject was discussed.

I have a standing invitation to Vic Kennedy, doesn't even have a bike
currently, (he's just a real nice fellow and hopefully a friend) to come to
any and all club activities as my allowed guest.  I don't, personally, care
what anyone rides, drives or flys. I'm only interested in friendships and
comraderie.  That is why I put in time as a club volunteer.

If any of you want to bring guest and run into the one per member rule you
may say they are my guest.  I've not met anyone I dislike or would not
associate with at a Beehive Beemer function.

Please don't start a rumor, 'cause it would be untrue, that Tom Deaver is
the one or even one of the individuals behind the by-law changes.  these are
the club by-laws now and I will live and support them as a club member
should, my opinion.  Just as I would have complied with and support the
By-laws if they had not been changed.  Come and be civil and leave the
gossip to those who need it to . . . . . .

Personally, I dislike having anyone's feelings injured, period.  I see
enough of that in a week through my employment to last most a lifetime.

Soap box off,
Respectfully,
Tom Deaver



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From: "Michael Clark" <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: I screwed up the server.
Date: 13 Dec 1998 00:37:07 -0700

Well,

Soon after I told you all about the new web page location, the web server
there went down. Give me a little while to try to get it back up.

-- Mike



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From: "Michael Clark" <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: Re: I screwed up the server.
Date: 13 Dec 1998 01:22:16 -0700

It's back up. Thanks for your patience.

-- Mike

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 1998 12:37 AM


>Well,
>
>Soon after I told you all about the new web page location, the web server
>there went down. Give me a little while to try to get it back up.
>
>-- Mike
>
>
>
>-
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: BB: Doubtful origins
Date: 13 Dec 1998 11:07:58 EST

Tom: I guess I missed something after I left, or the conversation at your
table. It seems to me from the grandfathering clause agreed to at the last
meeting, that Vic Kennedy or any other current member can still remain a
member of the Beehive Beemers for as long as they continue to pay their yearly
dues.

I will take the responsibility for suggesting that we needed to look at
changing the bylaws in a meeting last spring. I had heard from several members
of their displeasure with certain trends that seemed to me happening to the
club and meetings. The intent was never directed towards individuals, it was a
philosophic determination. The Park City Motorcycle club allows and is
structured toward all types and brands of Motorcycles and that is great. We
could have done the same thing, but there are already Motorcycle clubs in Salt
Lake for all brands.

Crit

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From: "Tom Deaver" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Doubtful origins
Date: 13 Dec 1998 11:31:09 -0700

Crit,

Some of the people who are feeling hurt, though I think the "grandfathering
clause" would negate this, are specifically saying that I am the one
responsible for all the by-law changes being started.  I have a mixed
feelings about it.  I would like to be in a BMW club and want to share
friendships, comraderie and rides.  At the same time I worried about hurting
the feelings of current members.

IMHO, the club handled the situation well,  The concerns you and others
expressed are successfully addressed and the current, and hopefully
continuing members (w/o regard to bike brand) are welcomed and protected by
the "grandfather clause".  Though it sometimes can be uncomfortable to
arrive at the outcome when negotiating openly.  The process can be more
painful than the results.

As far as Park City M/C Club,  I was an immediate sign-up at Ted's shop the
day before it became public knowledge.  In fact, I remember, and could be
wrong, that Ted and I were the first and second checks for membership fees.

Two different clubs, two different focuses (at least for me), both enjoyable
and fun.

What really upset me was that a few were trying to indicate displeasure with
the goings on about the By-laws and trying to make me the focal point of
their frustration by indicating to others that I was instigator of the
by-law changes.  I don't like witch hunts especially, when strongly,  I'm to
be the witch.  If they felt so strongly did they vote to stop the changes.
I mean only 19 ballots were received out of 160 mailed out and about 50 more
available at the voting breakfast held at Golden Corral in Layton.   10
votes the other way would have reversed the outcome.

Crit, I know others had misgivings about the direction they perceived the
club was heading. You discussed it with me.  This is fine.  This is how
clubs should operate, open dialogue between members.  We should be able to
have open discussion about club business without others trying to start a
witch hunt, especially when there is not a "witch".

I'm just concerned that others who are "hurt" by the outcome,  though I
don't think they have a justifiable reason to be so because of the
"grandfathering clause", are trying to make me the object of scorn.  This
group is a small minority.

I'm not suitable to be a club officer as I don't like the "heat".  I would
rather work behind the scene and let others take the podium. I enjoy
creating and publishing the "Stinger".  I thought being editor was a way to
help and stay behind the scene.  I will continue to do so, at least for the
1999 year.

Soap box off (again)

Are you going to Death Valley in January?  My attendance is in doubt as my
oldest has a scout campout the same weekend.  He's only twelve with his
"Life" rank and already to shot for his "Eagle" rank in scouts.  He plans on
having earned it by his 13th birthday, Aug. 99.  Yep, prideful boastng of a
proud father.  My attendance may be required there.  Time will tell.

I need a lead article from someone for January.  I'm planning to use the
xmas dinner photos, if I get them in time.  We now have two, investigating a
third, paying advertisers to put small ads in "The Stinger" to help defray
cost.  If we get all three it will cover about 10% of the annual cost.  It's
the same monetarily as signing up 12 new memberships without the associated
cost of the memberships.

The dinner was good and the party was fine.  You looke all prim and proper
with the dress shirt and tie on.

Thanks for listening,
Tom


-----Original Message-----


>Tom: I guess I missed something after I left, or the conversation at your
>table. It seems to me from the grandfathering clause agreed to at the last
>meeting, that Vic Kennedy or any other current member can still remain a
>member of the Beehive Beemers for as long as they continue to pay their
yearly
>dues.
>
>I will take the responsibility for suggesting that we needed to look at
>changing the bylaws in a meeting last spring. I had heard from several
members
>of their displeasure with certain trends that seemed to me happening to the
>club and meetings. The intent was never directed towards individuals, it
was a
>philosophic determination. The Park City Motorcycle club allows and is
>structured toward all types and brands of Motorcycles and that is great. We
>could have done the same thing, but there are already Motorcycle clubs in
Salt
>Lake for all brands.
>
>Crit
>
>-
>
>


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From: Gavin Wallace <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Doubtful origins
Date: 13 Dec 1998 14:48:04 -0700

Tom:

Now I know why you didn't appear to be enjoying yourself at the dinner.
Thanks for the insight.  I for one always assumed that it was a number of
club members that wanted clarification and/or changes to the club's bylaws
and that it was not driven by a single individual at anytime.

A few questions to anyone who knows:


Are associate memberships included in the total club membership numbers as
reported to the National Orginization?


Are new members required to present title or registration as proof of
ownership or are borrowed machines acceptable?


What percentage of total members must be BMW owners to maintain our
National affiliation?


Are spouses automatically members or do they need to purchase their own
membership?



I'm not trying to make waves, but I am curious.


Gavin Wallace
'96 R1100RTL




At 10:03 PM 12/12/98 -0700, you wrote:
>To all Beehive Beemers,
>
>Be it known to all club members that contrary to some conversations held at
>today's dinner I am NOT the originator of the request for the Club Bylaw
>changes.  I spoke up, voluntarily, once.  It was during the first meeting
>where this subject was discussed.
>
>I have a standing invitation to Vic Kennedy, doesn't even have a bike
>currently, (he's just a real nice fellow and hopefully a friend) to come to
>any and all club activities as my allowed guest.  I don't, personally, care
>what anyone rides, drives or flys. I'm only interested in friendships and
>comraderie.  That is why I put in time as a club volunteer.
>
>If any of you want to bring guest and run into the one per member rule you
>may say they are my guest.  I've not met anyone I dislike or would not
>associate with at a Beehive Beemer function.
>
>Please don't start a rumor, 'cause it would be untrue, that Tom Deaver is
>the one or even one of the individuals behind the by-law changes.  these are
>the club by-laws now and I will live and support them as a club member
>should, my opinion.  Just as I would have complied with and support the
>By-laws if they had not been changed.  Come and be civil and leave the
>gossip to those who need it to . . . . . .
>
>Personally, I dislike having anyone's feelings injured, period.  I see
>enough of that in a week through my employment to last most a lifetime.
>
>Soap box off,
>Respectfully,
>Tom Deaver
>
>
>
>-
>
>
Gavin Wallace
Blue '96 R1100RTL

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From: Gavin Wallace <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Re: I screwed up the server.
Date: 13 Dec 1998 14:50:56 -0700

Thank you, Mike.

Gavin Wallace
'96 R1100RTL


At 01:22 AM 12/13/98 -0700, you wrote:
>It's back up. Thanks for your patience.
>
>-- Mike
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Michael Clark <[e-mail]>
>To: <[e-mail]>
>Sent: Sunday, December 13, 1998 12:37 AM
>Subject: BB: I screwed up the server.
>
>
>>Well,
>>
>>Soon after I told you all about the new web page location, the web server
>>there went down. Give me a little while to try to get it back up.
>>
>>-- Mike
>>
>>
>>
>>-
>>
>
>
>-
>
>
Gavin Wallace
Blue '96 R1100RTL

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: BB: Doubtful origins
Date: 13 Dec 1998 16:59:30 EST

Tom: Anytime I am hear to listen to you or anyone. Tell anyone you talk to,
that I am the person responsible for the by-law changes for I am the one,
based on several months of conversation with others, who brought it up at the
meeting.

Yes I am planning on Death valley in January. Do you know the exact date yet?
Crit

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From: "Tom Deaver" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Doubtful origins
Date: 13 Dec 1998 15:25:49 -0700

>A few questions to anyone who knows:

>Are associate memberships included in the total club membership numbers as
>reported to the National Orginization?


I don't know. I don't report to the national organization. Others more
knowledgable will have to answer.

Why does it matter?  I thought we are here to ride bmw m/cs.

>Are new members required to present title or registration as proof of
>ownership or are borrowed machines acceptable?


I have never seen anyone ask for proof of ownership other than showing up on
a BMW m/c.  I guess someone could attempt a scharade if they wanted.  For
club policy if one exist will have to be put forth by others more
knowledgable and with the authority to indicate club policy.  Editor does
not create, dictate or decide club policy.  Editor puts the club newsletter
together. And basically does as the 4 other club officers need him to do
inregard to the club newsletter.  Being editor gives no more rights in
regard to club policy than just being an ordinary member like everyone else.

Why does it matter?  I thought we are here to ride BMW m/cs.

>What percentage of total members must be BMW owners to maintain our
>National affiliation?


I don't know. I don't report to the national affiliation.  Others more
knowledgable will have to answer.

Why does it matter?

>Are spouses automatically members or do they need to purchase their own
>membership?


I always thought spouses, or S.O.'s for todays standards, were listed as a
convenienceand at the discretion of the club member. We do have club members
who have not listed a spouse or S.O.  even though one exist.  As for club
policy others more knowledgable will have to answer.  Looking at the roster
we have both female members with male spouses listed and male members with
female spouses listed.


Why does it matter?  I thought we are here to ride BMW m/cs.  And more power
to you if you have a spouse who will share the activity with you.

>I'm not trying to make waves, but I am curious.

>Gavin Wallace
>'96 R1100RTL


Tom


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From: "Tom Deaver" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Doubtful origins
Date: 13 Dec 1998 15:32:17 -0700

Crit,


DVD IV is Jan 15 through that Monday, Civil Right Holiday.

>Yes I am planning on Death valley in January. Do you know the exact date
yet?
>Crit




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From: "Tom Deaver" <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: the Dec. Stinger Stomp
Date: 13 Dec 1998 15:42:11 -0700

To all,

The December Stinger Stomp is planned for Wednesday, Dec. 30,1998 at 7:00
p.m. at my house.

Free staples, tape and self-adhesive stamps provided.  BYOBS  (Bring Your
Own Beemer Stories) and lies. a-a-hem.  I mean exaggerations.

The first 4 respondents will gladly be tortured at the above time.
Directions to address provided if requested.

Editor Tom


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From: Michael Clark <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: On the subject of domain names.
Date: 13 Dec 1998 17:11:53 -0700

Folks,

In the old days, as we were blitzing across the US, staking claims and
building railroads, many forward thinking people decided to stake out
claims in the wilderness, convinced that some day, the land would be of
value to others. In many cases, these folks became very wealthy playing
the speculative real-estate game.

The internet is a vast wilderness, waiting to be overrun by hordes of
hungry settlers. As the net grows, net addresses are becoming scare.
These are the domain names associated with a given organization. For
example among the domains that I own, and use is aspengrove.com. Others
that I own, but don't currently use is discover-science.org. I have
plans for this address in the not-too-distant future, but at the this
time, it's staked out and mine, though idle.

Another interesting Internet phenomenon is the use of internet names
that have similar prefixes, but different suffixes, to show content on a
web site that is completely different to the more popular alternative.
For example, if you start your web browser and type http://www.nasa.gov,
you will go to the NASA web site. There you can get the latest news from
the National Aeronautic and Space Administration. However, if you by
habit type http://www.nasa.com (notice the end is .com and not .gov),
until very recently you ended up at a XXX adult site. This, needless to
say miffed NASA, who, through a Federal court ruling, put the kibosh on
the porn site's use of the domain.

Where is this all going? Well, I'd like to propose that we stake out
beehive-beemers.org and beehive-beemers.com. I will personally pay for
the registrations, which are minimal in cost. The initial payment
secures the use of the domains for 2 years, which should give us plenty
of time to decide if we want to keep them.

Why would we want to do this? For example, the club's web site could be
found at http://www.beehive-beemers.org. As I have a tendency of
bouncing the web site around from machine to machine, telling everyone
on the mailing list the new URL each time, all I'd have to do is update
the name server at my ISP to reflect the new machine's address. The
change would take place transparently. No need for you to change your
bookmarks. It could also stay fixed as one address on the Masthead of
the Stinger.

While the above is useful, the real reason I want to do this is to stake
out the name before someone else takes it. That way, we can decide at
our leisure what we want to do, or if we want to do anything at all.

Comments?

-- Mike

P.S. Tom, and anyone else who cares, please take note of my new mailing
address: [e-mail]

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From: "DeVern Gerber" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Doubtful origins
Date: 13 Dec 1998 18:15:21 -0700

On 13 Dec 98, at 11:07, [e-mail] wrote:

> Tom: I guess I missed something after I left, or the conversation at your
> table. It seems to me from the grandfathering clause agreed to at the last
> meeting, that Vic Kennedy or any other current member can still remain a
> member of the Beehive Beemers for as long as they continue to pay their
> yearly dues.

Crit, et al:  I sat at the table with Vic and Tom, all three of our
spouses were there and we had a great time.  No discussion came
up about membership, etc--  we were there to enjoy the food and
company.  If someone jumped Tom it had to happen after the party
or away from the table.

My interpretation of the bylaws changes matches yours; Vic and
others are grandfathered in.  Furthermore, I suspect that any of our
current non-BMW owning affiliates will have no problem finding
someone to sponsor them as a guest at any club function they
desire to attend.  NONE of the bylaws changes were ever directed
at any person or persons in particular, these changes were made a
lot of other reasons but never to exclude a *person.*
>
> I will take the responsibility for suggesting that we needed to look at
> changing the bylaws in a meeting last spring. I had heard from several
> members of their displeasure with certain trends that seemed to me
> happening to the club and meetings. The intent was never directed towards
> individuals, it was a philosophic determination. The Park City Motorcycle
> club allows and is structured toward all types and brands of Motorcycles
> and that is great. We could have done the same thing, but there are
> already Motorcycle clubs in Salt Lake for all brands.
>
> Crit

Well said, and it pretty well sums up the reasons behind the
changes.  Organizations of any type--be they clubs, fraternities,
governments, religions, or what have you--function within a
structure that is part formal and codified, and part unwritten
tradition that is handed down.  And, in general, that element of
tradition is a good thing--it lends continuity, stability and more to
an organization and its purposes.  When tradition is devalued or
disregarded by those who have not been steeped within it, then it's
perfectly understandable for an organization to take the step of
codifying those elements of tradition that are in danger of being
lost.  That's essentially what has happened here.  As one who
stood with you and backed the changes I hope that anyone who
considers those changes a personal attack will step back and take
a look at the situation from the perspective of those who have seen
and participated in the development of the BB traditions from the
beginning.

DeVern

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From: "Tom Deaver" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Doubtful origins
Date: 13 Dec 1998 19:34:11 -0700

DeVern,

Well said!  Yes, all at our table have always been and continue to be
perfect ladies and gentlemen.  The comments were made else where at the
dinner.  I would be honored to share a bike, a ride,  can of gas, even a
tent with any of them, though I do advise ear plugs.  I would probably have
more fun sharing the tent with Anne, my wife,  than w/  Big D or Vic.

DeVern,  you have the gift to bring everything clearly into focus and to a
calm rational conclusion.  I appreciate this.

To all other:  lets get back to riding and teasing each other, especially
Bobster!

Thank you for your support and I hope to make "The Stinger" even better, not
costlier, this year.
Tom the "Deav"

PS:  What do you all think about Mike "the Clark Kent" idea about our own
club web domain, or whatever they call it?  Let's hear it.


-----Original Message-----


On 13 Dec 98, at 11:07, [e-mail] wrote:

> Tom: I guess I missed something after I left, or the conversation at your
> table. It seems to me from the grandfathering clause agreed to at the last
> meeting, that Vic Kennedy or any other current member can still remain a
> member of the Beehive Beemers for as long as they continue to pay their
> yearly dues.

Crit, et al:  I sat at the table with Vic and Tom, all three of our
spouses were there and we had a great time.  No discussion came
up about membership, etc--  we were there to enjoy the food and
company.  If someone jumped Tom it had to happen after the party
or away from the table.

My interpretation of the bylaws changes matches yours; Vic and
others are grandfathered in.  Furthermore, I suspect that any of our
current non-BMW owning affiliates will have no problem finding
someone to sponsor them as a guest at any club function they
desire to attend.  NONE of the bylaws changes were ever directed
at any person or persons in particular, these changes were made a
lot of other reasons but never to exclude a *person.*
>
> I will take the responsibility for suggesting that we needed to look at
> changing the bylaws in a meeting last spring. I had heard from several
> members of their displeasure with certain trends that seemed to me
> happening to the club and meetings. The intent was never directed towards
> individuals, it was a philosophic determination. The Park City Motorcycle
> club allows and is structured toward all types and brands of Motorcycles
> and that is great. We could have done the same thing, but there are
> already Motorcycle clubs in Salt Lake for all brands.
>
> Crit

Well said, and it pretty well sums up the reasons behind the
changes.  Organizations of any type--be they clubs, fraternities,
governments, religions, or what have you--function within a
structure that is part formal and codified, and part unwritten
tradition that is handed down.  And, in general, that element of
tradition is a good thing--it lends continuity, stability and more to
an organization and its purposes.  When tradition is devalued or
disregarded by those who have not been steeped within it, then it's
perfectly understandable for an organization to take the step of
codifying those elements of tradition that are in danger of being
lost.  That's essentially what has happened here.  As one who
stood with you and backed the changes I hope that anyone who
considers those changes a personal attack will step back and take
a look at the situation from the perspective of those who have seen
and participated in the development of the BB traditions from the
beginning.

DeVern

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: BB: On the subject of domain names.
Date: 13 Dec 1998 21:26:41 EST

Mike: Great Idea, but I think the club should pay the cost of registering the
site. If the cost is more than the club wants to bear, than I would be willing
to pitch in for the registration fee. We are after all a duly domiciled non-
profit corporation and should make use of that etc.
Crit

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: BB: Doubtful origins
Date: 13 Dec 1998 21:30:05 EST

Well said DeVern.
Crit

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From: "Tom Deaver" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: On the subject of domain names.
Date: 13 Dec 1998 19:44:01 -0700

Crit and Mike,

If club will not contribute, we've not heard from Pres. yet, I'll kick in.

Tom Deav

-----Original Message-----


>Mike: Great Idea, but I think the club should pay the cost of registering
the
>site. If the cost is more than the club wants to bear, than I would be
willing
>to pitch in for the registration fee. We are after all a duly domiciled
non-
>profit corporation and should make use of that etc.
>Crit
>
>-
>
>


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From: Michael Clark <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: On the subject of domain names.
Date: 13 Dec 1998 19:29:58 -0700

The cost of registering a domain is $70. This gives you rights to the
domain for 2 years.

-- Mike

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> Mike: Great Idea, but I think the club should pay the cost of registering the
> site. If the cost is more than the club wants to bear, than I would be willing
> to pitch in for the registration fee. We are after all a duly domiciled non-
> profit corporation and should make use of that etc.
> Crit
>
> -

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From: Jeb Berg <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: the Dec. Stinger Stomp
Date: 13 Dec 1998 19:56:20 -0700

Tom,

Can't make it. My brother and his family are visiting from Christmas day
until new years.


Jeb

At 03:42 PM 12/13/98 -0700, you wrote:
>To all,
>
>The December Stinger Stomp is planned for Wednesday, Dec. 30,1998 at 7:00
>p.m. at my house.
>
>Free staples, tape and self-adhesive stamps provided.  BYOBS  (Bring Your
>Own Beemer Stories) and lies. a-a-hem.  I mean exaggerations.
>
>The first 4 respondents will gladly be tortured at the above time.
>Directions to address provided if requested.
>
>Editor Tom
>
>
>-
>


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From: Jeb Berg <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: On the subject of domain names.
Date: 13 Dec 1998 20:03:46 -0700

Mike, Crit and Tom,

Count me in too!

Jeb

At 07:44 PM 12/13/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Crit and Mike,
>
>If club will not contribute, we've not heard from Pres. yet, I'll kick in.
>
>Tom Deav
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>Date: Sunday, December 13, 1998 7:28 PM
>Subject: Re: BB: On the subject of domain names.
>
>
>>Mike: Great Idea, but I think the club should pay the cost of registering
>the
>>site. If the cost is more than the club wants to bear, than I would be
>willing
>>to pitch in for the registration fee. We are after all a duly domiciled
>non-
>>profit corporation and should make use of that etc.
>>Crit
>>
>>-
>>
>>
>
>
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From: [e-mail] (Thane M Beckstrand)
Subject: Re: BB: On the subject of domain names.
Date: 13 Dec 1998 21:45:57 -0700

Mike...

Your suggestion sounds prudent.  I'l like to follow up on it.  Can you
call me at the shop tomorow?

Regards, Thane

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From: Michael Clark <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: On the subject of domain names.
Date: 14 Dec 1998 01:35:25 -0700

Another benefit of having a domain set up, is you can have e-mail
addresses like [e-mail]. This would be forwarded to
your personal e-mail account. This address could change as the officers
are elected. It would also give a level of anonymity to folks who felt
more comfortable with such things.

We could set up a general forwarding service for members, so you could
have your own beehive-beemers e-mail account if you're a member of the
club!

This sounds cool. We should really do it. (My professional opinion, of
course. :-))

-- Mike

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From: "Kim Bene" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: On the subject of domain names.
Date: 14 Dec 1998 08:55:11 -0700

Sounds like a good idea to me.  Planning for the future?  Hmmm. =20

>>> Michael Clark <[e-mail]> 12/13 5:11 PM >>>
Folks,

In the old days, as we were blitzing across the US, staking claims and
building railroads, many forward thinking people decided to stake out
claims in the wilderness, convinced that some day, the land would be of
value to others. In many cases, these folks became very wealthy playing
the speculative real-estate game.

The internet is a vast wilderness, waiting to be overrun by hordes of
hungry settlers. As the net grows, net addresses are becoming scare.
These are the domain names associated with a given organization. For
example among the domains that I own, and use is aspengrove.com. Others
that I own, but don't currently use is discover-science.org. I have
plans for this address in the not-too-distant future, but at the this
time, it's staked out and mine, though idle.

Another interesting Internet phenomenon is the use of internet names
that have similar prefixes, but different suffixes, to show content on a
web site that is completely different to the more popular alternative.
For example, if you start your web browser and type http://www.nasa.gov,
you will go to the NASA web site. There you can get the latest news from
the National Aeronautic and Space Administration. However, if you by
habit type http://www.nasa.com (notice the end is .com and not .gov),
until very recently you ended up at a XXX adult site. This, needless to
say miffed NASA, who, through a Federal court ruling, put the kibosh on
the porn site's use of the domain.

Where is this all going? Well, I'd like to propose that we stake out
beehive-beemers.org and beehive-beemers.com. I will personally pay for
the registrations, which are minimal in cost. The initial payment
secures the use of the domains for 2 years, which should give us plenty
of time to decide if we want to keep them.

Why would we want to do this? For example, the club's web site could be
found at http://www.beehive-beemers.org. As I have a tendency of
bouncing the web site around from machine to machine, telling everyone
on the mailing list the new URL each time, all I'd have to do is update
the name server at my ISP to reflect the new machine's address. The
change would take place transparently. No need for you to change your
bookmarks. It could also stay fixed as one address on the Masthead of
the Stinger.

While the above is useful, the real reason I want to do this is to stake
out the name before someone else takes it. That way, we can decide at
our leisure what we want to do, or if we want to do anything at all.

Comments?

-- Mike

P.S. Tom, and anyone else who cares, please take note of my new mailing
address: [e-mail]=20

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From: Michael Clark <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: It's ours.
Date: 14 Dec 1998 17:32:46 -0700

The domain beehive-beemers.org is now ours. I'll see what I can do with
it this week. I can probably get the web page URL set to
http://www.beehive-beemers.org.

-- Mike

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: BB: the Dec. Stinger Stomp
Date: 14 Dec 1998 19:24:26 -0800

Tom:

  I am avaliable  and would love to come over and help.

Jeff Stokes
 88 R100RT

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From: Michael Clark <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: Web Server Oddities
Date: 14 Dec 1998 19:20:46 -0700

The web server is acting odd. At this time, to get to the web page, you
have to indclude the name of the default file. So, for the time being,
the URL to the web site is http://www.aspengrove.com/beehive/index.html

Sorry about this. I know what's wrong, just not sure how to fix it.

-- Mike

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From: Michael Clark <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Web Server Oddities
Date: 14 Dec 1998 19:38:57 -0700

Well, he he. That took a lot let time than I thought. The web server
seems to be working properly now.

-- Mike

Michael Clark wrote:
>
> The web server is acting odd. At this time, to get to the web page, you
> have to indclude the name of the default file. So, for the time being,
> the URL to the web site is http://www.aspengrove.com/beehive/index.html
>
> Sorry about this. I know what's wrong, just not sure how to fix it.
>
> -- Mike
>
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: BB: Web Server Oddities
Date: 14 Dec 1998 21:43:23 EST

Michael:
I just changed my favorite places internet address to reflect your prior
change. Shows what doing things too quickly can do for and to you.
Crit

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From: "DeVern Gerber" <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: Guess who???
Date: 14 Dec 1998 20:29:37 -0700

Ok, time for a quick quiz.  Guess which staunch Ducati-Defending
Beehive Beemer member has a Duc for sale on the web???  Check
the classifieds under "Butt Floss, Red."   Guess he ran out of
Vivaldi CD's for the ol' tankbag stereo...  Or maybe needed money
for his chiropractor bills....

:^)  :^)

DeVern

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From: Michael Clark <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: [Fwd: BOUNCE [e-mail]:    Non-member
Date: 14 Dec 1998 20:29:20 -0700

Bob,

Check out http://www.aspengrove.com/beehive/links.html

-- Mike

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> >From [e-mail] Mon Dec 14 20:25:46 1998
> Received: from [198.60.22.22] (helo=mail.xmission.com)
>         by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1)
>         id 0zpl7K-0003DS-00
>         for [e-mail]; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:25:46 -0700
> Received: from [209.210.190.4] (helo=mail.sisna.com)
>         by mail.xmission.com with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1)
>         id 0zpl7J-0000Vr-00
>         for [e-mail]; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:25:45 -0700
> Received: from sisna.com [209.210.179.206] by mail.sisna.com with ESMTP
>   (SMTPD32-4.06) id A663B0F0054; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:24:19 MST
> Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:27:04 -0700
> From: "Robert D. Mabey" <[e-mail]>
> Reply-To: [e-mail]
> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I)
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Park City
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>
> Louwane tells me that there's a page for the races next fall, but her
> guess for the address must be wrong.  Can anybody tell me what it is?
> Are they going to do the superbikes too, or just vintage?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bob

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From: Gavin Wallace <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Doubtful origins
Date: 14 Dec 1998 21:08:57 -0700

Sorry.  I was just curious and was puting the questions out to "anyone who
knows".  They were not directed at you, Tom, but to the members at large.
I'm actually just here to ride BMW m/c's.....

Gavin Wallace
'96 R1100RTL


At 03:25 PM 12/13/98 -0700, you wrote:
>>A few questions to anyone who knows:
>
>>Are associate memberships included in the total club membership numbers as
>>reported to the National Orginization?
>
>
>I don't know. I don't report to the national organization. Others more
>knowledgable will have to answer.
>
>Why does it matter?  I thought we are here to ride bmw m/cs.
>
>>Are new members required to present title or registration as proof of
>>ownership or are borrowed machines acceptable?
>
>
>I have never seen anyone ask for proof of ownership other than showing up on
>a BMW m/c.  I guess someone could attempt a scharade if they wanted.  For
>club policy if one exist will have to be put forth by others more
>knowledgable and with the authority to indicate club policy.  Editor does
>not create, dictate or decide club policy.  Editor puts the club newsletter
>together. And basically does as the 4 other club officers need him to do
>inregard to the club newsletter.  Being editor gives no more rights in
>regard to club policy than just being an ordinary member like everyone else.
>
>Why does it matter?  I thought we are here to ride BMW m/cs.
>
>>What percentage of total members must be BMW owners to maintain our
>>National affiliation?
>
>
>I don't know. I don't report to the national affiliation.  Others more
>knowledgable will have to answer.
>
>Why does it matter?
>
>>Are spouses automatically members or do they need to purchase their own
>>membership?
>
>
>I always thought spouses, or S.O.'s for todays standards, were listed as a
>convenienceand at the discretion of the club member. We do have club members
>who have not listed a spouse or S.O.  even though one exist.  As for club
>policy others more knowledgable will have to answer.  Looking at the roster
>we have both female members with male spouses listed and male members with
>female spouses listed.
>
>
>Why does it matter?  I thought we are here to ride BMW m/cs.  And more power
>to you if you have a spouse who will share the activity with you.
>
>>I'm not trying to make waves, but I am curious.
>
>>Gavin Wallace
>>'96 R1100RTL
>
>
>Tom
>
>
>-
>
>
Gavin Wallace
Blue '96 R1100RTL

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: BB: Guess who???
Date: 14 Dec 1998 23:10:54 EST

DeVern: Ed Rosco has more than one Duc.
I think the Duc is for sale because a 996 has been located and ordered.

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From: "DeVern Gerber" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Guess who???
Date: 14 Dec 1998 21:28:13 -0700

Nice guess, but NO CIGAR!  Ed Rosco is not the man of the hour
for this hour.  Re-read the original post for a major clue!

No winners yet, let's keep those cards and letters coming.....

:^)  :^)

DeVern, who had no idea that Ed might be selling a Duc...

On 14 Dec 98, at 23:10, [e-mail] wrote:

> DeVern: Ed Rosco has more than one Duc.
> I think the Duc is for sale because a 996 has been located and ordered.
>
> -
>
>



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: BB: Guess who???
Date: 14 Dec 1998 23:35:18 EST

DeVern: It could be that Bob buy's and sell Duc's before they need to have the
chain lubed, or he is building up the Ultimate Duc.
Crit

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: BB: Stinger Stomp
Date: 15 Dec 1998 06:18:02 EST

Tom,

    If you are still looking for folks my wife and I would love to come over and
help.

    Tony Sokolowski

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From: "Tom Deaver" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: the Dec. Stinger Stomp
Date: 15 Dec 1998 05:55:29 -0700

Jeff,

Glad to have you join us.

7 p.m. 12-30-98  same place.

Tom


-----Original Message-----


Tom:

  I am avaliable  and would love to come over and help.

Jeff Stokes
88 R100RT

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From: "Tom Deaver" <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: Re: Stinger Stomp
Date: 15 Dec 1998 06:11:32 -0700

Tony

I already have 4 volunteers for the Dec. Stinger Stomp.  Any more and it
just doesn't shorten the work time significantly.

How about being first on the list for the Jan Stinger Stomp?  It too will be
about the end of the month.

Thanks for willingly volunteering.

Kindest Regards,
Tom
-----Original Message-----


>Tom,
>
> If you are still looking for folks my wife and I would love to come over
and
>help.
>
> Tony Sokolowski
>
>-
>
>


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: BB: (no subject)
Date: 15 Dec 1998 18:26:11 EST

Tom,
        Count Kim and myself in for January. Just let us know what day.

                                            Happy Holidays
                                                 Tony & Kim Sokolowski

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From: "Tom Deaver" <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: Re: (no subject)
Date: 15 Dec 1998 20:34:41 -0700

Tony & Kim

Thank you for so willingly volunteering for Jan's Stinger Stomp.
I'll keep you posted as to the date.

Tom Deaver

-----Original Message-----


>Tom,
> Count Kim and myself in for January. Just let us know what day.
>
> Happy Holidays
>      Tony & Kim Sokolowski
>
>-
>
>


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From: Michael Clark <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: Web Related Stuff
Date: 16 Dec 1998 01:11:24 -0700

Club Members,

Amazon.com, the big online bookseller, has a referral program. It allows
web sites to recommend books, or other merchandise sold by amazon.com.
The person reading the review can click on a link that takes them to an
order page for amazon.com. If they choose to order the book from amazon,
the referring agency (the club) gets a commission (between 5% and 15%)
on the sale. We could recommend various motorcycle books, and anyone who
follows our links to get to amazon.com helps the club. Check out
http://www.amazon.com/associates for details. -- Comments? (P.S. I'm
implementing this program for my foundation too).

BTW, if you haven't been to the web site lately, the "Interesting Links"
page is much bigger. Additionally, I've been working on (and will
complete by the end of the weekend) and way for you to add new links to
the site.

Also, the domain beehive-beemers.org has been registered. The web site
URL should (permanently) change to http://www.beehive-beemers.org before
the end of the week (I'll let you know).

I'm going to add the beehive-beemers.org domain to my mail server. I'll
add the following addresses and forward them to the appropriate members:

(append @beehive-beemers.org to all addresses)

webmaster        yours truly
president        Dave Chapman (moves to Thane in Jan.)
vice-president        Dave Barber (moves to Jeb in Jan.)
secretary        Bob Jensen (does Linda have and e-mail address Bob?)
treasurer        Anne Larson
editor            Tom Deaver
officers        president, vp, secretary, treasurer, editor
all            officers and anyone else who'd like to be on the list.
ads            editor


Comments?

-- Mike (who's having a great time learning JavaScript by spiffing up
the beehive beemer page.) BTW, the links page is dynamically generated
from a databae (this is why you'll be able to add to it in the future.)

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: BB: Web Related Stuff
Date: 16 Dec 1998 21:08:23 EST

Michael: Excellent Idea. I buy over $100.00 dollars worth of books a month and
have been buying them exculusively through Amazon. They really do deliver. If
there was some way for the club to benefit from that, I would be all for it.
Congratulations on the web site changes etc.
Crit

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From: Jess Jensen <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: [Fwd: BOUNCE [e-mail]:    Non-member  submission from ["Robert D. Mabey" <[e-mail]>]]
Date: 16 Dec 1998 21:31:35 -0500

No Super bikes Bob,but there will be some super bikes there.I know you ha=
ve
found the webb address so i wont bother giving
that,but the big twins will be racing.
Regards

Bob

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From: "Thomas W. Kullen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: Re: Park City Motorcycle Week
Date: 17 Dec 1998 10:40:24 -0700

Dave Klar wrote:
>
> Tom,
>
> I am looking for information about the Park City Motorcycle Week.
> Do we have any type of accommodation packages we could offer guests?
>
> The ones Steamboat had were great.  Everything the visitor needed.
> Tickets to events, room reservations, t -shirts, posters "the whole
> enchilada".
>
> If you have any information about this or a contact for the information, it
> would be greatly appreciated.
> My father and I have started to invite people nation wide to the event and
> they are asking for this type of package..
>
> Also if you need graphic design for the Park City Motorcycle Week I have
> many connections in the SLC area.
> I would be happy to get some bids for you.....
>
> Thank You,
>
> Dave Klar
> Web Designer
> Vyzynz International, Inc.
> 801.596.7795 x105

Dave,

   The web site will be expanding quite rapidly in the next couple of
weeks-if you want to get a jump on reservations, call Rob Slettom at
Identity Properties-he is a PCMC member and is president of the local
lodging coummunity (he bought Jackie Young's R1100RT and has an R69S).
His phone number is 800.245.6417. Also the Yarrow Hotel (435.649.7000)
will be race headquarters with the vender area set up around the hotel
and most of the AHRMA people will be staying there. I'm not sure what
packages have been negotiated yet with any of the condo owners or
hotels, but Rob would be the person to get you that info or the names of
other condo mangement companies. Surprisingly, I've talked with several
people that have already booked rooms at the Yarrow asking for a street
"view"-I bet that's a request that they don't get every day! I'm not
sure of the names of the condo's, but there are a couple right on Empire
Avenue across from Cole Sport that are right on the road course where
there is a high speed "S" and 90 degree left turn on to HYWY 224.
Another lodging source would be the PC Chamber Bureau at 435.649.6100.
Be sure to tell them it is for Park City Motorcycle Week.

Cheers,

Tom Kullen

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From: "Thomas W. Kullen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Re: Park City Motorcycle Week
Date: 17 Dec 1998 12:28:04 -0700

Dave,

  I also forgot to mention the Radisson Inn which is jusy down the
street from my house and on 224. The number is 435.649.5000.
I just got off the phone with Jim Colburn PCMW manager and meetings
are being held this afternoon with the Yarrow and the Radisson on
pricing/packages etc. so their reservation dept. may not be up tp speed
quite yet. I was also told that Rob Slettom is working on a lodging link
site for the PCMC website so that you will actually be able to do price
comparison on line for the different hotels and condos.

Cheers,

Tom

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From: "Thomas W. Kullen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Re: Park City Motorcycle Week
Date: 17 Dec 1998 12:28:04 -0700

Dave,

  I also forgot to mention the Radisson Inn which is jusy down the
street from my house and on 224. The number is 435.649.5000.
I just got off the phone with Jim Colburn PCMW manager and meetings
are being held this afternoon with the Yarrow and the Radisson on
pricing/packages etc. so their reservation dept. may not be up tp speed
quite yet. I was also told that Rob Slettom is working on a lodging link
site for the PCMC website so that you will actually be able to do price
comparison on line for the different hotels and condos.

Cheers,

Tom

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From: "Thomas W. Kullen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Re: Park City Motorcycle Week
Date: 17 Dec 1998 12:28:04 -0700

Dave,

  I also forgot to mention the Radisson Inn which is jusy down the
street from my house and on 224. The number is 435.649.5000.
I just got off the phone with Jim Colburn PCMW manager and meetings
are being held this afternoon with the Yarrow and the Radisson on
pricing/packages etc. so their reservation dept. may not be up tp speed
quite yet. I was also told that Rob Slettom is working on a lodging link
site for the PCMC website so that you will actually be able to do price
comparison on line for the different hotels and condos.

Cheers,

Tom

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From: "Thomas W. Kullen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Re: Park City Motorcycle Week
Date: 17 Dec 1998 12:28:04 -0700

Dave,

  I also forgot to mention the Radisson Inn which is jusy down the
street from my house and on 224. The number is 435.649.5000.
I just got off the phone with Jim Colburn PCMW manager and meetings
are being held this afternoon with the Yarrow and the Radisson on
pricing/packages etc. so their reservation dept. may not be up tp speed
quite yet. I was also told that Rob Slettom is working on a lodging link
site for the PCMC website so that you will actually be able to do price
comparison on line for the different hotels and condos.

Cheers,

Tom

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From: "Tom Deaver" <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: autocom systems
Date: 17 Dec 1998 17:52:43 -0700

Have any of you tried the new demonstrator for Autocom Intercom Systems at
Ted's shop?

It seems nicer than the J & M intercom system I have installed on my KLT.

Tom


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From: Jess Jensen <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: Guess who???
Date: 17 Dec 1998 21:59:31 -0500

Relax Big d.......The only time you need be concerned is when i sell the
Beamer (Never).

Bob

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From: "Tom Deaver" <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: Re: Guess who???
Date: 17 Dec 1998 21:00:39 -0700


-----Original Message-----
<[e-mail]>


>Relax Big d.......The only time you need be concerned is when i sell the
>Beamer (Never).


<Insert>  "Beemer".  The other is probably more closely related to "Jim".
You've been around the Duc too long.

>Bob

Deav




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From: Jess Jensen <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: Re: Guess who???
Date: 18 Dec 1998 00:11:33 -0500

I knew that!

Bob

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From: Gavin Wallace <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: BEEMER
Date: 18 Dec 1998 08:47:29 -0700

BEEMER.....I know we are cursed to live with the nick name for BMW machines
for time and eternity, but am I the only one that cringes when the word is
spoken?  OK.  This is my stop to get off the WAAAH bus now.  Happy Holidays
to all Beehive Beemers everywhere!

Gavin Wallace
'96 R1100RTL

PS: When's the Spring Breakout?
Gavin Wallace
Blue '96 R1100RTL

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From: Michael Clark <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: BEEMER
Date: 18 Dec 1998 09:01:50 -0700

I've become used to it. The word that really bugs ME is 'bimmer'. Bla.

-- Mike

Gavin Wallace wrote:
>
> BEEMER.....I know we are cursed to live with the nick name for BMW machines
> for time and eternity, but am I the only one that cringes when the word is
> spoken?  OK.  This is my stop to get off the WAAAH bus now.  Happy Holidays
> to all Beehive Beemers everywhere!
>
> Gavin Wallace
> '96 R1100RTL
>
> PS: When's the Spring Breakout?
> Gavin Wallace
> Blue '96 R1100RTL
>
> -

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From: Michael Clark <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: Update
Date: 18 Dec 1998 11:12:12 -0700

BBers,

An update.

1. I'm having difficulty getting the web server to respond to the
www.beehive-beemers.org address. This will likely take longer than I
anticipated to resolve. Please be patient.

2. The mail addresses to beehive-beemers.org work! You can reach me at
[e-mail]. Over the weekend, I'll find the officers
e-mail addresses and set up the previously described forwards to them.
I'll also add an address list@beehive-beemers, which will forward to
this mailing list.

-- Mike

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From: Michael Clark <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: Test
Date: 18 Dec 1998 11:14:56 -0700

Test

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From: [e-mail] (Robert H Jensen)
Subject: Re: BB: BEEMER
Date: 18 Dec 1998 18:46:54 -0700

Some time this spring,Gavin
Bob
K1200rsl=My Viagra
Ducati 916=Dante's inferno
F650=My placebo

On Fri, 18 Dec 1998 08:47:29 -0700 Gavin Wallace <[e-mail]>
writes:
>BEEMER.....I know we are cursed to live with the nick name for BMW
>machines
>for time and eternity, but am I the only one that cringes when the
>word is
>spoken?  OK.  This is my stop to get off the WAAAH bus now.  Happy
>Holidays
>to all Beehive Beemers everywhere!
>
>Gavin Wallace
>'96 R1100RTL
>
>PS: When's the Spring Breakout?
>Gavin Wallace
>Blue '96 R1100RTL
>
>-
>
>

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: BB: BEEMER
Date: 18 Dec 1998 21:06:09 EST

Gavin: It's usually the last weekend in April. The last weekend in April in
1999 if fairly early in the month, Friday the 23rd. and we may want to change
the campout out to April 30th through May 2nd. It seems like a long time till
then, but it goes by fairly quickly.
Crit

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From: "DeVern Gerber" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: BEEMER
Date: 18 Dec 1998 19:26:31 -0700

A better question might be WHERE will spring breakout be.....

DeVern


On 18 Dec 98, at 21:06, [e-mail] wrote:

> Gavin: It's usually the last weekend in April. The last weekend in April
> in 1999 if fairly early in the month, Friday the 23rd. and we may want to
> change the campout out to April 30th through May 2nd. It seems like a long
> time till then, but it goes by fairly quickly. Crit
>
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>
>



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: BB: BEEMER
Date: 18 Dec 1998 21:34:58 EST

DeVern: I have my preferences for where to have Spring Breakout, but figure
that the new President may want to bring it up for discussion at the January
or February Meeting.
Crit

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From: [e-mail] (Robert H Jensen)
Subject: Re: BB: BEEMER
Date: 18 Dec 1998 19:47:53 -0700

Some where in the south,.Like -St.George some where.
Bob
K1200rsl=My Viagra
Ducati 916=Dante's inferno
F650=My placebo

On Fri, 18 Dec 1998 19:26:31 -0700 "DeVern Gerber" <[e-mail]>
writes:
>A better question might be WHERE will spring breakout be.....
>
>DeVern
>
>
>On 18 Dec 98, at 21:06, [e-mail] wrote:
>
>> Gavin: It's usually the last weekend in April. The last weekend in
>April
>> in 1999 if fairly early in the month, Friday the 23rd. and we may
>want to
>> change the campout out to April 30th through May 2nd. It seems like
>a long
>> time till then, but it goes by fairly quickly. Crit
>>
>> -
>>
>>
>
>
>
>-
>
>

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From: "DeVern Gerber" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: BEEMER
Date: 18 Dec 1998 20:03:03 -0700

Why Bob, I'm surprised!  Are you suggesting someplace that isn't
within walking distance of an espresso cart???  <g>

DeVern

On 18 Dec 98, at 19:47, Robert H Jensen wrote:

> Some where in the south,.Like -St.George some where.
> Bob
> K1200rsl=My Viagra
> Ducati 916=Dante's inferno
> F650=My placebo
>
> On Fri, 18 Dec 1998 19:26:31 -0700 "DeVern Gerber" <[e-mail]>
> writes: >A better question might be WHERE will spring breakout be.....   >
> >DeVern > > >On 18 Dec 98, at 21:06, [e-mail] wrote: > >> Gavin:
> It's usually the last weekend in April. The last weekend in >April >> in
> 1999 if fairly early in the month, Friday the 23rd. and we may >want to >>
> change the campout out to April 30th through May 2nd. It seems like >a
> long >> time till then, but it goes by fairly quickly. Crit >> >> - >> >>
> > > > >- > >
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>
>



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: BB: BEEMER
Date: 18 Dec 1998 23:26:07 EST

DeVern: One can bring one's own Expresso Cart. Or have Fed Ex or UPS bring it
in fresh daily. I am sure that one can buy either a solar powered coffee
grinder, or an all in one grinder, perculator and latte machine. Try
www.coffeeadnaseum.com for starters.
Crit

I like coffee, as long as its black

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From: [e-mail] (Robert H Jensen)
Subject: Re: BB: BEEMER
Date: 19 Dec 1998 07:55:21 -0700


Bob
K1200rsl=My Viagra
Ducati 916=Dante's inferno
F650=My placebo

On Fri, 18 Dec 1998 23:26:07 EST [e-mail] writes:
>DeVern: One can bring one's own Expresso Cart. Or have Fed Ex or UPS
>bring it
>in fresh daily. I am sure that one can buy either a solar powered
>coffee
>grinder, or an all in one grinder, perculator and latte machine. Try
>www.coffeeadnaseum.com for starters.
>Crit
>
>I like coffee, as long as its black
>Was that her name?
>-
>
>

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From: Gavin Wallace <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: BEEMER
Date: 19 Dec 1998 08:37:58 -0700

I used up all my gripe tickets or I would jump in on that one also.

Gavin

At 09:01 AM 12/18/98 -0700, you wrote:
>I've become used to it. The word that really bugs ME is 'bimmer'. Bla.
>
>-- Mike
>
>Gavin Wallace wrote:
>>
>> BEEMER.....I know we are cursed to live with the nick name for BMW machines
>> for time and eternity, but am I the only one that cringes when the word is
>> spoken?  OK.  This is my stop to get off the WAAAH bus now.  Happy Holidays
>> to all Beehive Beemers everywhere!
>>
>> Gavin Wallace
>> '96 R1100RTL
>>
>> PS: When's the Spring Breakout?
>> Gavin Wallace
>> Blue '96 R1100RTL
>>
>> -
>
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From: Gavin Wallace <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: BEEMER
Date: 19 Dec 1998 08:41:40 -0700

Thanks, Bob.  I always appreciate your deep insight and logic.  GW

At 06:46 PM 12/18/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Some time this spring,Gavin
>Bob
>K1200rsl=My Viagra
>Ducati 916=Dante's inferno
>F650=My placebo
>
>On Fri, 18 Dec 1998 08:47:29 -0700 Gavin Wallace <[e-mail]>
>writes:
>>BEEMER.....I know we are cursed to live with the nick name for BMW
>>machines
>>for time and eternity, but am I the only one that cringes when the
>>word is
>>spoken?  OK.  This is my stop to get off the WAAAH bus now.  Happy
>>Holidays
>>to all Beehive Beemers everywhere!
>>
>>Gavin Wallace
>>'96 R1100RTL
>>
>>PS: When's the Spring Breakout?
>>Gavin Wallace
>>Blue '96 R1100RTL
>>
>>-
>>
>>
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From: Gavin Wallace <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: BEEMER
Date: 19 Dec 1998 08:43:24 -0700

Not necessarily better, but also required information. :0 Gavin

At 07:26 PM 12/18/98 -0700, you wrote:
>A better question might be WHERE will spring breakout be.....
>
>DeVern
>
>
>On 18 Dec 98, at 21:06, [e-mail] wrote:
>
>> Gavin: It's usually the last weekend in April. The last weekend in April
>> in 1999 if fairly early in the month, Friday the 23rd. and we may want to
>> change the campout out to April 30th through May 2nd. It seems like a long
>> time till then, but it goes by fairly quickly. Crit
>>
>> -
>>
>>
>
>
>
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>
>
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From: Gavin Wallace <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: BEEMER
Date: 19 Dec 1998 08:45:10 -0700

Snow Canyon area, maybe?

--Gav

At 07:47 PM 12/18/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Some where in the south,.Like -St.George some where.
>Bob
>K1200rsl=My Viagra
>Ducati 916=Dante's inferno
>F650=My placebo
>
>On Fri, 18 Dec 1998 19:26:31 -0700 "DeVern Gerber" <[e-mail]>
>writes:
>>A better question might be WHERE will spring breakout be.....
>>
>>DeVern
>>
>>
>>On 18 Dec 98, at 21:06, [e-mail] wrote:
>>
>>> Gavin: It's usually the last weekend in April. The last weekend in
>>April
>>> in 1999 if fairly early in the month, Friday the 23rd. and we may
>>want to
>>> change the campout out to April 30th through May 2nd. It seems like
>>a long
>>> time till then, but it goes by fairly quickly. Crit
>>>
>>> -
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-
>>
>>
>
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From: Gavin Wallace <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: BEEMER
Date: 19 Dec 1998 08:47:44 -0700

Solar powered?  I'm fairly certain that Bob's tank bag has a 2.5Kw
generator, diesel powered, eh Bobster?  Oh, that's right.  It's just wired
for one.

--Gav


At 11:26 PM 12/18/98 EST, you wrote:
>DeVern: One can bring one's own Expresso Cart. Or have Fed Ex or UPS bring it
>in fresh daily. I am sure that one can buy either a solar powered coffee
>grinder, or an all in one grinder, perculator and latte machine. Try
>www.coffeeadnaseum.com for starters.
>Crit
>
>I like coffee, as long as its black
>
>-
>
>
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From: "Thomas W. Kullen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: BEEMER
Date: 19 Dec 1998 09:36:23 -0700

Gavin Wallace wrote:
>
> Solar powered?  I'm fairly certain that Bob's tank bag has a 2.5Kw
> generator, diesel powered, eh Bobster?  Oh, that's right.  It's just wired
> for one.
>
> --Gav
>
> At 11:26 PM 12/18/98 EST, you wrote:
> >DeVern: One can bring one's own Expresso Cart. Or have Fed Ex or UPS bring it
> >in fresh daily. I am sure that one can buy either a solar powered coffee
> >grinder, or an all in one grinder, perculator and latte machine. Try
> >www.coffeeadnaseum.com for starters.
> >Crit
> >
> >I like coffee, as long as its black

> -


   You may have to buy the new  LT, I heard it comes with a fridge, ice
maker, blender (for campsite margueritas), as well as optional espresso
maker.You don't even have to wave to passing motorcyclists-just hit the
automatic wave button and a gloved hand popps out of the fairing so
you can keep one hand on the bars and the other holding your latte.

Cheers,

Tom

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From: [e-mail] (Thane M Beckstrand)
Subject: Re: BB: BEEMER
Date: 19 Dec 1998 10:23:22 -0700

Gavin...

We will let you know when we get good and ready!

Thane

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From: "DeVern Gerber" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: BEEMER
Date: 19 Dec 1998 10:46:10 -0700

And don't forget the built-in CD changer so you can listen to "The
Four Seasons" as you sit in your Kermit-lounger watching the sun
rise over yon red rock ridge, meanwhilst sipping your double-
esprsso latte' to chase away the last vestiges of last night's
margueritas.....

DeVern

On 19 Dec 98, at 9:36, Thomas W. Kullen wrote:

> Gavin Wallace wrote:
> >
> > Solar powered?  I'm fairly certain that Bob's tank bag has a 2.5Kw
> > generator, diesel powered, eh Bobster?  Oh, that's right.  It's just
> > wired for one.
> >
> > --Gav
> >
> > At 11:26 PM 12/18/98 EST, you wrote:
> > >DeVern: One can bring one's own Expresso Cart. Or have Fed Ex or UPS
> > >bring it in fresh daily. I am sure that one can buy either a solar
> > >powered coffee grinder, or an all in one grinder, perculator and latte
> > >machine. Try www.coffeeadnaseum.com for starters. Crit
> > >
> > >I like coffee, as long as its black
>
> > -
>
>
>    You may have to buy the new  LT, I heard it comes with a fridge, ice
> maker, blender (for campsite margueritas), as well as optional espresso
> maker.You don't even have to wave to passing motorcyclists-just hit the
> automatic wave button and a gloved hand popps out of the fairing so you
> can keep one hand on the bars and the other holding your latte.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tom
>
> -
>
>



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From: "DeVern Gerber" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: BEEMER
Date: 19 Dec 1998 10:49:38 -0700

I'm very disappointed with this feature.  One would think that a
company with BMW's grasp of advanced technology would have an
automatic hand-waver, adjustable to scan for the various marques
one wishes to wave to.  Close, but no cigar, BMW....

DeVern


On 19 Dec 98, at 9:36, Thomas W. Kullen wrote:

>    You may have to buy the new  LT, I heard it comes with a fridge, ice
> maker, blender (for campsite margueritas), as well as optional espresso
> maker.You don't even have to wave to passing motorcyclists-just hit the
> automatic wave button and a gloved hand popps out of the fairing so you
> can keep one hand on the bars and the other holding your latte.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tom
>
> -
>
>



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From: "Tom Deaver" <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: Wher's that thar cycle sidecar when I need it?
Date: 19 Dec 1998 15:06:56 -0700

Hey all,

Thane, where's your sidecar rig now?

Has anyone seen Rick P. out and about in his?

Yo, Bobster how about replacing the front wheel with a ski and install ice
tire on rear of your Duc?

Deav


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From: [e-mail] (Robert H Jensen)
Subject: Re: BB: BEEMER
Date: 19 Dec 1998 17:38:07 -0700


Bob
K1200rsl=My Viagra
Ducati 916=Dante's inferno
F650=My placebo

On Sat, 19 Dec 1998 10:23:22 -0700 [e-mail] (Thane M Beckstrand)
writes:
>Gavin...
>
>We will let you know when we get good and ready!Untell then shut the
%^*#!@ UP!
>
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From: [e-mail] (Robert H Jensen)
Subject: Re: BB: Wher's that thar cycle sidecar when I need it?
Date: 19 Dec 1998 17:37:00 -0700


Bob
K1200rsl=My Viagra
Ducati 916=Dante's inferno
F650=My placebo

On Sat, 19 Dec 1998 15:06:56 -0700 "Tom Deaver" <[e-mail]>
writes:
>Hey all,
>
>Thane, where's your sidecar rig now?
>
>Has anyone seen Rick P. out and about in his?
>
>Yo, Bobster how about replacing the front wheel with a ski and install
>ice
>tire on rear of your Duc?...Deav.....Howbout i install a ski in the rear
of your Duk!

" I'll be careful"
>
>Deav
>
>
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From: [e-mail] (Robert H Jensen)
Subject: Re: BB: BEEMER
Date: 19 Dec 1998 17:31:29 -0700

Thane...........Are you taking you Job to seriously?
Bob
K1200rsl=My Viagra
Ducati 916=Dante's inferno
F650=My placebo

On Sat, 19 Dec 1998 10:23:22 -0700 [e-mail] (Thane M Beckstrand)
writes:
>Gavin...
>
>We will let you know when we get good and ready!
>
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From: [e-mail] (Robert H Jensen)
Subject: Re: BB: BEEMER
Date: 19 Dec 1998 17:28:38 -0700


Bob
K1200rsl=My Viagra
Ducati 916=Dante's inferno
F650=My placebo

On Sat, 19 Dec 1998 09:36:23 -0700 "Thomas W. Kullen"
<[e-mail]> writes:
>Gavin Wallace wrote:
>>
>> Solar powered?  I'm fairly certain that Bob's tank bag has a 2.5Kw
>> generator, diesel powered, eh Bobster?  Oh, that's right.  It's just
>wired
>> for one.
>>
>> --Gav
>>
>> At 11:26 PM 12/18/98 EST, you wrote:
>> >DeVern: One can bring one's own Expresso Cart. Or have Fed Ex or
>UPS bring it
>> >in fresh daily. I am sure that one can buy either a solar powered
>coffee
>> >grinder, or an all in one grinder, perculator and latte machine.
>Try
>> >www.coffeeadnaseum.com for starters.
>> >Crit
>> >
>> >I like coffee, as long as its black
>
>> -
>
>
>   You may have to buy the new  LT, I heard it comes with a fridge,
>ice
>maker, blender (for campsite margueritas), as well as optional
>espresso
>maker.You don't even have to wave to passing motorcyclists-just hit
>the
>automatic wave button and a gloved hand popps out of the fairing so
>you can keep one hand on the bars and the other holding your latte.
>Tom....Im not sure, but someone tolled  me that- Latte ,was the latin
word for
  penis , i didn't believe them at first ,but it does seem to fit in
certain places,like
you said in the above,and
  Want a latte,have a latte,Latte on ice,would your friend like a latte,
there is the
dark latte's and light latte's as well as big ,medium,and the ever
familiar -small
latte's or the Presidential latte(It's served in high places),i was a
little afraid to ask in a public forum like this but thought some one
else
might know..................Just kidding.
>Cheers,
>
>Tom
>
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From: [e-mail] (Robert H Jensen)
Subject: Re: BB: BEEMER
Date: 19 Dec 1998 17:44:14 -0700


Bob
K1200rsl=My Viagra
Ducati 916=Dante's inferno
F650=My placebo

On Sat, 19 Dec 1998 10:49:38 -0700 "DeVern Gerber" <[e-mail]>
writes:
>I'm very disappointed with this feature.  One would think that a
>company with BMW's grasp of advanced technology would have an
>automatic hand-waver, adjustable to scan for the various marques
>one wishes to wave to.  Close, but no cigar, BMW....Isn't that what
Monica said?
>
>DeVern
>
>
>On 19 Dec 98, at 9:36, Thomas W. Kullen wrote:
>
>>    You may have to buy the new  LT, I heard it comes with a fridge,
>ice
>> maker, blender (for campsite margueritas), as well as optional
>espresso
>> maker.You don't even have to wave to passing motorcyclists-just hit
>the
>> automatic wave button and a gloved hand popps out of the fairing so
>you
>> can keep one hand on the bars and the other holding your latte.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> -
>>
>>
>
>
>
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From: Jess Jensen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: BEEMER
Date: 19 Dec 1998 20:01:26 -0500

Thats my job,man.

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From: [e-mail] (Thane M Beckstrand)
Subject: Re: BB: Wher's that thar cycle sidecar when I need it?
Date: 19 Dec 1998 19:59:38 -0700

Hey, with a new wife who wants to go Christmas shopping every spare
minute, who has time to fix a bad tranny bearing.

Thane

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From: Jess Jensen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Wher's that thar cycle sidecar when I need it?
Date: 19 Dec 1998 21:30:43 -0500

Don't feel to bad,i sliped the timing chain Thursday morning on the way t=
o
work.
I have concluded that there is nothing like a broken down vehicle to make=

you feal
like a BUM!......People passing  buy,flipping the finger,tossing debris a=
nd
fecal
looking stuff out of the window,calling you names,it was bad,untell i
removed my
BMW hat.......Thats all it took......Next person pulled over and gave me
ride to the station
and gave me a couple a buck's.Cool ha??

Bob

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From: "DeVern Gerber" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Wher's that thar cycle sidecar when I need it?
Date: 19 Dec 1998 20:30:41 -0700

bob, it wasn't the hat-- it was the fact that you stepped away and
distanced yourself from the "Clinton Forever" bumper stickers on
your rig.  Ya gotta watch that political stuff, it'll get you in trouble
every time.

DeVern


On 19 Dec 98, at 21:30, Jess Jensen wrote:

> Don't feel to bad,i sliped the timing chain Thursday morning on the way to
> work. I have concluded that there is nothing like a broken down vehicle to
> make you feal like a BUM!......People passing  buy,flipping the
> finger,tossing debris and fecal looking stuff out of the window,calling
> you names,it was bad,untell i removed my BMW hat.......Thats all it
> took......Next person pulled over and gave me ride to the station and gave
> me a couple a buck's.Cool ha??
>
> Bob
>
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>
>



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From: [e-mail] (Robert H Jensen)
Subject: Re: BB: Wher's that thar cycle sidecar when I need it?
Date: 19 Dec 1998 20:33:17 -0700


Bob
K1200rsl=Mine Viagra
Ducati 996=Foreplay
F650=My placebo

On Sat, 19 Dec 1998 20:30:41 -0700 "DeVern Gerber" <[e-mail]>
writes:
>bob, it wasn't the hat-- it was the fact that you stepped away and
>distanced yourself from the "Clinton Forever" bumper stickers on
>your rig.  Ya gotta watch that political stuff, it'll get you in
>trouble
>every time/.It wasen't Clinton for ever,DeVern......It said-Clinton for
Beaver.
   However the B is a little hard to see now.You might be
right.....Thanks.                                                  Bob
>
>DeVern
>
>
>On 19 Dec 98, at 21:30, Jess Jensen wrote:
>
>> Don't feel to bad,i sliped the timing chain Thursday morning on the
>way to
>> work. I have concluded that there is nothing like a broken down
>vehicle to
>> make you feel like a BUM!......People passing  buy,flipping the
>> finger,tossing debris and fecal looking stuff out of the
>window,calling
>> you names,it was bad,untell i removed my BMW hat.......Thats all it
>> took......Next person pulled over and gave me ride to the station
>and gave
>> me a couple a buck's.Cool ha??
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> -
>>
>>
>
>
>
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>
>

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From: Gavin Wallace <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Wher's that thar cycle sidecar when I need it?
Date: 19 Dec 1998 22:22:22 -0700

Sure it wasn't the sign you were holding, "Will work for food"?

--Gav

At 09:30 PM 12/19/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Don't feel to bad,i sliped the timing chain Thursday morning on the way to
>work.
>I have concluded that there is nothing like a broken down vehicle to make
>you feal
>like a BUM!......People passing  buy,flipping the finger,tossing debris and
>fecal
>looking stuff out of the window,calling you names,it was bad,untell i
>removed my
>BMW hat.......Thats all it took......Next person pulled over and gave me
>ride to the station
>and gave me a couple a buck's.Cool ha??
>
>Bob
>
>-
>
>
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From: Gavin Wallace <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: BEEMER
Date: 19 Dec 1998 22:24:10 -0700

I didn't know "we" were capable of being both at the same time.

--Gav

At 10:23 AM 12/19/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Gavin...
>
>We will let you know when we get good and ready!
>
>Thane
>
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From: Gavin Wallace <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: BEEMER
Date: 19 Dec 1998 22:44:34 -0700

Hey, I just figured out a way to avoid all this abuse and save 15 bucks,
but I'm just not a quitter.  A glutten for punishment maybe......

--Gav

At 10:23 AM 12/19/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Gavin...
>
>We will let you know when we get good and ready!
>
>Thane
>
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From: "Rick P." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Where's that thar cycle sidecar when I need it?
Date: 19 Dec 1998 23:13:33 +0000



Tom Deaver wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> Thane, where's your sidecar rig now?
>
> Has anyone seen Rick P. out and about in his?
>

Once Rick P. gets out from all the "seasonal duties" you just might see me
out on three wheels.  Need to get the sidecar painted black this year.
Anyone have a favorite painter that doesn't need the price of a new K1200RS
to paint a crummy Russian sidehack?
Rick P.



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From: Michael Clark <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Where's that thar cycle sidecar when I need it?
Date: 19 Dec 1998 23:18:06 -0700

I'll do it. I've got a can of spray paint. Should look as good as new.
:-)

-- Mike

"Rick P." wrote:
>
> Tom Deaver wrote:
>
> > Hey all,
> >
> > Thane, where's your sidecar rig now?
> >
> > Has anyone seen Rick P. out and about in his?
> >
>
> Once Rick P. gets out from all the "seasonal duties" you just might see me
> out on three wheels.  Need to get the sidecar painted black this year.
> Anyone have a favorite painter that doesn't need the price of a new K1200RS
> to paint a crummy Russian sidehack?
> Rick P.
>
> -

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From: "Tom Deaver" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: BEEMER
Date: 20 Dec 1998 07:02:47 -0700

Gav,

Here's lots of mint, mintmintmintmintmintmint you can pun yourself with.
 ; )

Deav

-----Original Message-----


>Hey, I just figured out a way to avoid all this abuse and save 15 bucks,
>but I'm just not a quitter.  A glutten for punishment maybe......
>
>--Gav
>
>At 10:23 AM 12/19/98 -0700, you wrote:
>>Gavin...
>>
>>We will let you know when we get good and ready!
>>
>>Thane
>>
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>>
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>
>-
>
>


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From: "Tom Deaver" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Where's that thar cycle sidecar when I need it?
Date: 20 Dec 1998 07:07:36 -0700

Rick,

Glad to hear from you.  It's been awhile. too long.  Though you were off to
exotic places like NYC or Paris, or Moab.

I had my Luftmeister fairing with lowers and saddle fuel tanks painted at a
place on third west.  He let me get the paint and stuff from Glasurit  so
it would match.  All of the aforementioned cost about $200.  I forgot the
name of the place. But I will drive by it and get the name if you want.

Let me know.

Deav
-----Original Message-----


>
>
>Tom Deaver wrote:
>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> Thane, where's your sidecar rig now?
>>
>> Has anyone seen Rick P. out and about in his?
>>
>
>Once Rick P. gets out from all the "seasonal duties" you just might see me
>out on three wheels.  Need to get the sidecar painted black this year.
>Anyone have a favorite painter that doesn't need the price of a new K1200RS
>to paint a crummy Russian sidehack?
>Rick P.
>
>
>
>-
>
>


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From: "Tom Deaver" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Where's that thar cycle sidecar when I need it?
Date: 20 Dec 1998 07:18:12 -0700

Mike,

If you spray paint Rick's hack in black at mid-night he won't be able to see
the missed areas or the paint runs.

Deav

-----Original Message-----


>I'll do it. I've got a can of spray paint. Should look as good as new.
>:-)
>
>-- Mike
>
>"Rick P." wrote:
>>
>> Tom Deaver wrote:
>>
>> > Hey all,
>> >
>> > Thane, where's your sidecar rig now?
>> >
>> > Has anyone seen Rick P. out and about in his?
>> >
>>
>> Once Rick P. gets out from all the "seasonal duties" you just might see
me
>> out on three wheels.  Need to get the sidecar painted black this year.
>> Anyone have a favorite painter that doesn't need the price of a new
K1200RS
>> to paint a crummy Russian sidehack?
>> Rick P.
>>
>> -
>
>-
>
>


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From: [e-mail] (Victor Kennedy)
Subject: Re: BB: Where's that thar cycle sidecar when I need it?
Date: 20 Dec 1998 07:20:29 -0700 (MST)

Tom. was the paint place "SCHMIDT". They are on 3rd W. & do a good job.
Vic K.





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From: [e-mail] (Thane M Beckstrand)
Subject: Re: BB: BEEMER
Date: 20 Dec 1998 08:40:45 -0700

Huh?

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From: [e-mail] (Thane M Beckstrand)
Subject: Re: BB: BEEMER
Date: 20 Dec 1998 08:42:43 -0700

Now, now...let's not be too hasty.  I think you should take some time and
think this over a bit more.

Thane

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From: [e-mail] (Robert H Jensen)
Subject: BB: [e-mail] (tim garb): Re: Mary Christmas
Date: 20 Dec 1998 08:47:12 -0700

Rather than sort out,all the people on the list that know Tim,i have
decided to post his
recent letter to Linda and I.
Bob
K1200rsl=Mine Viagra
Ducati 996=Foreplay
F650=Mine placebo
--------- Begin forwarded message ----------
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]>

Hello Bob and Linda: Are all of your two wheeled toys put away for the
winter?? I rode    today on the KLR before the cold snap hits in a
few days. Was out in California for the last few days in Santa Rosa on
business. I will be reporting to that office after Jan. 1st rather than
the SLC office as I had. Life has thrown me a bit of a curve
ball..About    six weeks ago I was diagnosed with a rare disease
which has been dogging me since this summer.. It is CIDP - spelled out
chronic inflammatory demyelinating polyneuropathy. It is an autoimmune
disorder that is a close relative to Guillain-Barre'    syndrome.
Essentially it is a progressive numbing of the extremities working to the
core of the body.. I am learning as much as I can over the internet and
am taking some steroid-like medication with some weird side effects such
as not being able to sleep for more than an hour or so each night.. Hard
to say how all this will play out. On the other hand I can do some things
such as ride without gloves in winter type conditions so you see every
cloud has a silver lining.. All the best to the Beehive Gang.. Tim and
Gabrielle.
--------- End forwarded message ----------

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From: "Tom Deaver" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Where's that thar cycle sidecar when I need it?
Date: 20 Dec 1998 09:27:40 -0700

Vic,

Na, it was close to there just south of Paxton Ave.  a real nondescript
place.  Went there because I saw the work they did on a fellow teacher's car
after the unfortunate.

Deav

-----Original Message-----


Tom. was the paint place "SCHMIDT". They are on 3rd W. & do a good job.
Vic K.





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From: "Tom Deaver" <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: Re: [e-mail] (tim garb): Re: Mary Christmas
Date: 20 Dec 1998 09:38:38 -0700

Bobster,

Do think it will be alright to print Tim's letter in the Jan Stinger?   He
has many friend in the club who are Internet challenged and they might
desire to hear from him.

Deav
-----Original Message-----


>Rather than sort out,all the people on the list that know Tim,i have
>decided to post his
>recent letter to Linda and I.
>Bob
>K1200rsl=Mine Viagra
>Ducati 996=Foreplay
>F650=Mine placebo
>--------- Begin forwarded message ----------
>From: [e-mail] (tim garb)
>To: [e-mail]
>Subject: Re: Mary Christmas
>Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 18:38:41 XST
>Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
>References: <[e-mail]>
>
>Hello Bob and Linda: Are all of your two wheeled toys put away for the
>winter?? I rode today on the KLR before the cold snap hits in a
>few days. Was out in California for the last few days in Santa Rosa on
>business. I will be reporting to that office after Jan. 1st rather than
>the SLC office as I had. Life has thrown me a bit of a curve
>ball..About six weeks ago I was diagnosed with a rare disease
>which has been dogging me since this summer.. It is CIDP - spelled out
>chronic inflammatory demyelinating polyneuropathy. It is an autoimmune
>disorder that is a close relative to Guillain-Barre' syndrome.
>Essentially it is a progressive numbing of the extremities working to the
>core of the body.. I am learning as much as I can over the internet and
>am taking some steroid-like medication with some weird side effects such
>as not being able to sleep for more than an hour or so each night.. Hard
>to say how all this will play out. On the other hand I can do some things
>such as ride without gloves in winter type conditions so you see every
>cloud has a silver lining.. All the best to the Beehive Gang.. Tim and
>Gabrielle.
>--------- End forwarded message ----------
>
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: BB: Where's that thar cycle sidecar when I need it?
Date: 20 Dec 1998 11:54:14 EST

ToM: it might have Been Midgley's an old line body and paint shop about 1275
South 300 West.
Crit

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From: Jess Jensen <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: Re: [e-mail] (tim garb): Re: Mary Christmas
Date: 20 Dec 1998 12:02:35 -0500

I know that Tim wouldn't mind,so i don't see a problem with that .Sure.

Bob

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: BB: Re: [e-mail] (tim garb): Re: Mary Christmas
Date: 20 Dec 1998 12:21:11 EST

Deav:
           When I said Midgley's body shop, I meant Doyle's at 1191 South 300
West. Midgley's was what it was called, going back to my youth of about 8-10
years old. It was the body shop that my familyl, with 6 kids and 4 to 5 cars
frequented on many occasions.
Crit

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From: "Tom Deaver" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Where's that thar cycle sidecar when I need it?
Date: 20 Dec 1998 10:36:35 -0700

Crit,

I've truly forgotten the name. But that name is not the one.  Just a couple
of doors south of Paxton Ave.  They only have the co. name painted on the
window of the people door and one garage type door on 3rd west.  The main
entrance is from the alley.  I'll drive by and report back what the name is.
This place did not do as nice of a job as Schneiders, but I have the
impression that Rick is not looking for a world class restoration job.  Only
a nice looking durable paint job at a lower price.  This is just my guess as
he has not stated.

Deav

-----Original Message-----


>ToM: it might have Been Midgley's an old line body and paint shop about
1275
>South 300 West.
>Crit
>
>-
>
>


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From: "Tom Deaver" <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: Re: Re: [e-mail] (tim garb): Re: Mary Christmas
Date: 20 Dec 1998 10:37:55 -0700

Bobster,

I'm planning to print Tim's letter in the Jan. Stinger.

Deav

-----Original Message-----
<[e-mail]>


I know that Tim wouldn't mind,so i don't see a problem with that .Sure.

Bob

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From: "Tom Deaver" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Re: [e-mail] (tim garb): Re: Mary Christmas
Date: 20 Dec 1998 10:42:53 -0700

BINGO,

We have a winner!  yep, siree-e-e-e,   You are correct. It is Doyles.

My experience was good job, fair price though a little slow.  It took two
weeks instead of one.

Thanks, Crit for remembering.

I was, seriously, bundling up to drive down this morning and find out.  Ya
saved me from frost bitten toes.

Deav

-----Original Message-----


>Deav:
>           When I said Midgley's body shop, I meant Doyle's at 1191 South
300
>West. Midgley's was what it was called, going back to my youth of about
8-10
>years old. It was the body shop that my familyl, with 6 kids and 4 to 5
cars
>frequented on many occasions.
>Crit
>
>-
>
>


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From: "DeVern Gerber" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Where's that thar cycle sidecar when I need it?
Date: 20 Dec 1998 10:52:22 -0700

You might try your nearest Earl Scheib center.....

DeVern


On 19 Dec 98, at 23:13, Rick P. wrote:

>
>
> Tom Deaver wrote:
>
> > Hey all,
> >
> > Thane, where's your sidecar rig now?
> >
> > Has anyone seen Rick P. out and about in his?
> >
>
> Once Rick P. gets out from all the "seasonal duties" you just might see me
> out on three wheels.  Need to get the sidecar painted black this year.
> Anyone have a favorite painter that doesn't need the price of a new
> K1200RS to paint a crummy Russian sidehack? Rick P.
>
>
>
> -
>
>



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From: Jess Jensen <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: Fwd: SNOWBALL
Date: 20 Dec 1998 13:30:07 -0500



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From: Jess Jensen <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: Ducati Market share
Date: 20 Dec 1998 13:39:03 -0500


Thought the list my like to see this.
Bob
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From: [e-mail] (Robert H Jensen)
Subject: Re: BB: Where's that thar cycle sidecar when I need it?
Date: 20 Dec 1998 11:47:49 -0700

Are you sure it's not called Earl Scribe center?
Bob
K1200rsl=Mine Viagra
Ducati 996=Foreplay
F650=Mine placebo

On Sun, 20 Dec 1998 10:52:22 -0700 "DeVern Gerber" <[e-mail]>
writes:
>You might try your nearest Earl Scheib center.....
>
>DeVern
>
>
>On 19 Dec 98, at 23:13, Rick P. wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Tom Deaver wrote:
>>
>> > Hey all,
>> >
>> > Thane, where's your sidecar rig now?
>> >
>> > Has anyone seen Rick P. out and about in his?
>> >
>>
>> Once Rick P. gets out from all the "seasonal duties" you just might
>see me
>> out on three wheels.  Need to get the sidecar painted black this
>year.
>> Anyone have a favorite painter that doesn't need the price of a new
>> K1200RS to paint a crummy Russian sidehack? Rick P.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>>
>>
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>
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>
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From: david barber <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Fwd: SNOWBALL
Date: 20 Dec 1998 14:50:12 -0700

Bob,
where is the snowball?


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: BB: Fwd: SNOWBALL
Date: 20 Dec 1998 17:48:07 EST

Touche

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From: Jess Jensen <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: Fwd: SNOWBALL
Date: 20 Dec 1998 18:17:09 -0500


See if this makes it,I think that our very own M/C has stoped all attachm=
ents going through.
Bob
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: BB: Fwd: SNOWBALL
Date: 20 Dec 1998 18:21:45 EST

Bob: I don't know if its my computer or what, but nothing showed up, why not
try and send it directly to my e-mail address to see if it gets there, I have
had not problem getting both your christmas card and the one from the Dali
Barber and Sherrie.
Crit

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From: [e-mail] (Robert H Jensen)
Subject: Re: BB: Fwd: SNOWBALL
Date: 20 Dec 1998 16:17:36 -0700

I'll send it direct Dave,and anyone else who wants it.
Bob
K1200rsl=Mine Viagra
Ducati 996=Foreplay
F650=Mine placebo

On Sun, 20 Dec 1998 14:50:12 -0700 david barber <[e-mail]>
writes:
>Bob,
>where is the snowball?
>
>
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From: "Rick P." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Where's that thar cycle sidecar when I need it?
Date: 20 Dec 1998 16:41:08 +0000



Tom Deaver wrote:

>
> This place did not do as nice of a job as Schneiders, but I have the
> impression that Rick is not looking for a world class restoration job.  Only
> a nice looking durable paint job at a lower price.  This is just my guess as
> he has not stated.
>
> Deav
>

Right you are Tom!  The '67 R60 that it is bolted to has well worn original
paint and I don't need or want to pay for a councours job.  I don't want an
oranged-peeled mess either.  Most of the quotes I've received are equal to what
I payed for the entire hack, excpt one, but I don't know anything about his
reputation.  I realize that you normally get what you pay for in quality, but
hey this is Russian Lump-O-Metal with a wheel. Sorry I haven't been around,
it's been a year of time compromises.  Hopefully I'll do better in '99.
Thanks,
Rick


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From: "Rick P." <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: MARRIED?
Date: 20 Dec 1998 16:41:58 +0000

Thane,
Did I see on the list that you were recently MARRIED?
Rick Pellegrino


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From: "Tom Deaver" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Fwd: SNOWBALL
Date: 20 Dec 1998 17:45:37 -0700

Yea, send it to me

Deav


-----Original Message-----


>I'll send it direct Dave,and anyone else who wants it.
>Bob
>K1200rsl=Mine Viagra
>Ducati 996=Foreplay
>F650=Mine placebo
>
>On Sun, 20 Dec 1998 14:50:12 -0700 david barber <[e-mail]>
>writes:
>>Bob,
>>where is the snowball?
>>
>>
>>-
>>
>>
>
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From: Michael Clark <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: MARRIED?
Date: 20 Dec 1998 20:11:04 -0700

Yes, it's true. I accompanied Thane on his quest to CA to propose. It
was a grand adventure in late October...cold temperatures, blown fuses,
flat tires, chains-only over the Sierras, 80 mile detours, stunning
autumn scenery, mud flows across the road, misty mountains vistas,
running along-side trains down Feather River Canyon. All for the big
mission. This was high-drama. Great fun!

I just realized that we have not formaly congratulated Thane on the
list. So, as list administrator, I hope I speak for everyone on the list
when I say "Congratulations, Thane!"

-- Mike

"Rick P." wrote:
>
> Thane,
> Did I see on the list that you were recently MARRIED?
> Rick Pellegrino
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: BB: MARRIED?
Date: 20 Dec 1998 23:10:49 EST

Amen to that.
Crit

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From: Jess Jensen <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: WIN  A  FREE FREE VACATION !
Date: 21 Dec 1998 10:12:34 -0500

Yes Mr. & Miss. Gerber .....You are the lucky winners of a free.......Tha=
ts
wright ......Free Vacation !

Let me no if you had the guts to open this?

Bobster


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From: Jess Jensen <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: WIN  A  FREE FREE VACATION !
Date: 21 Dec 1998 10:24:33 -0500

Sorry......This was meant to go directly to DeVern.

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From: "Tom Deaver" <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: Re: WIN  A  FREE FREE VACATION !
Date: 21 Dec 1998 08:41:18 -0700

That's'um alrite I's wanta here bout this heree free Bobster vacation two.
weell, fellar

-----Original Message-----
<[e-mail]>


Sorry......This was meant to go directly to DeVern.

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From: [e-mail] (Robert H Jensen)
Subject: BB: Re: WIN  A  FREE FREE VACATION !
Date: 21 Dec 1998 08:40:37 -0700

I forgot Tom,your outa school now , and hovering around the internet.
Cool......Hay did you see the new Star Trek?.......I thought it was
mediocre at best.
Bob
K1200rsl=Mine Viagra
Ducati 996=Foreplay
F650=Mine placebo

On Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:41:18 -0700 "Tom Deaver" <[e-mail]>
writes:
>That's'um alrite I's wanta here bout this heree free Bobster vacation
>two.
>weell, fellar
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jess Jensen <[e-mail]>
>To: INTERNET:[e-mail]
><[e-mail]>
>Date: Monday, December 21, 1998 8:25 AM
>Subject: BB: WIN A FREE FREE VACATION !
>
>
>Sorry......This was meant to go directly to DeVern.
>
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>
>
>
>
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From: "DeVern Gerber" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: WIN  A  FREE FREE VACATION !
Date: 21 Dec 1998 08:55:54 -0700

Open WHAT???

On 21 Dec 98, at 10:12, Jess Jensen spoke thusly from the depths of delusion:

> Yes Mr. & Miss. Gerber .....You are the lucky winners of a
> free.......Thats wright ......Free Vacation !
>
> Let me no if you had the guts to open this?
>
> Bobster
>
>
> -
>
>


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1997 Iron Butt Finisher, 1999 Iron Butt Entrant

'83 R80ST
'95 R1100RSL "Das Amsdel"  (Fliegen Sie Hoch und Schnell!)

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From: "Tom Deaver" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: WIN  A  FREE FREE VACATION !
Date: 21 Dec 1998 09:09:42 -0700

Big D,

He jsut teasen us aagin.  He dont send to attachamint files.


-----Original Message-----


Open WHAT???

On 21 Dec 98, at 10:12, Jess Jensen spoke thusly from the depths of
delusion:

> Yes Mr. & Miss. Gerber .....You are the lucky winners of a
> free.......Thats wright ......Free Vacation !
>
> Let me no if you had the guts to open this?
>
> Bobster
>
>
> -
>
>


DeVern Gerber     [e-mail]

1997 Iron Butt Finisher, 1999 Iron Butt Entrant

'83 R80ST
'95 R1100RSL "Das Amsdel"  (Fliegen Sie Hoch und Schnell!)

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From: "Tom Deaver" <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: Re: Re: WIN  A  FREE FREE VACATION !
Date: 21 Dec 1998 09:10:06 -0700

Bobster,

Would you believe twice.  Took second son from previous life(i mean wife).
He liked it as 17 yr olds might. I thought it was funny.

Then Anne (my life i mean wife) says lets take the boys, Max & Sam, the ones
you all know) So back again I go.  Still thought it was funny.  Seems you
could tell the actors and actresses were having fun making this one.  Anne
mentioned she really like the bubble bath, candles stemware scene.  Though
we both thought the story line was weak.

Did you know that this is the first "Star Trek" movie to computer generated
special effects.  They seemed to look better?

Today is Anne's birthday and she is at school through Wednesday at 3 p.m.  I
better get off this computer and go get a cake and roses for a special lunch
for her before she threatens to join the previous life ( i mean wife).


Ta da, toodles,
Deav

PS: drove her to school this a.m. and it is colder than a Duc rider with a
broken chain.
-----Original Message-----


>I forgot Tom,your outa school now , and hovering around the internet.
>Cool......Hay did you see the new Star Trek?.......I thought it was
>mediocre at best.
>Bob
>K1200rsl=Mine Viagra
>Ducati 996=Foreplay
>F650=Mine placebo
>
>On Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:41:18 -0700 "Tom Deaver" <[e-mail]>
>writes:
>>That's'um alrite I's wanta here bout this heree free Bobster vacation
>>two.
>>weell, fellar
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Jess Jensen <[e-mail]>
>>To: INTERNET:[e-mail]
>><[e-mail]>
>>Date: Monday, December 21, 1998 8:25 AM
>>Subject: BB: WIN A FREE FREE VACATION !
>>
>>
>>Sorry......This was meant to go directly to DeVern.
>>
>>-
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-
>>
>>
>
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From: [e-mail] (Robert H Jensen)
Subject: BB: Re: WIN  A  FREE FREE VACATION !
Date: 21 Dec 1998 16:51:02 -0700

Tell Anne .....Happy birthday.......I thought the story was poor at best.
Later
Bob
K1200rsl=Mine Viagra
Ducati 996=Foreplay
F650=Mine placebo

On Mon, 21 Dec 1998 09:10:06 -0700 "Tom Deaver" <[e-mail]>
writes:
>Bobster,
>
>Would you believe twice.  Took second son from previous life(i mean
>wife).
>He liked it as 17 yr olds might. I thought it was funny.
>
>Then Anne (my life i mean wife) says lets take the boys, Max & Sam,
>the ones
>you all know) So back again I go.  Still thought it was funny.  Seems
>you
>could tell the actors and actresses were having fun making this one.
>Anne
>mentioned she really like the bubble bath, candles stemware scene.
>Though
>we both thought the story line was weak.
>
>Did you know that this is the first "Star Trek" movie to computer
>generated
>special effects.  They seemed to look better?
>
>Today is Anne's birthday and she is at school through Wednesday at 3
>p.m.  I
>better get off this computer and go get a cake and roses for a special
>lunch
>for her before she threatens to join the previous life ( i mean wife).
>
>
>Ta da, toodles,
>Deav
>
>PS: drove her to school this a.m. and it is colder than a Duc rider
>with a
>broken chain.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Robert H Jensen <[e-mail]>
>To: [e-mail]
><[e-mail]>
>Date: Monday, December 21, 1998 8:50 AM
>Subject: BB: Re: WIN A FREE FREE VACATION !
>
>
>>I forgot Tom,your outa school now , and hovering around the internet.
>>Cool......Hay did you see the new Star Trek?.......I thought it was
>>mediocre at best.
>>Bob
>>K1200rsl=Mine Viagra
>>Ducati 996=Foreplay
>>F650=Mine placebo
>>
>>On Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:41:18 -0700 "Tom Deaver" <[e-mail]>
>>writes:
>>>That's'um alrite I's wanta here bout this heree free Bobster
>vacation
>>>two.
>>>weell, fellar
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Jess Jensen <[e-mail]>
>>>To: INTERNET:[e-mail]
>>><[e-mail]>
>>>Date: Monday, December 21, 1998 8:25 AM
>>>Subject: BB: WIN A FREE FREE VACATION !
>>>
>>>
>>>Sorry......This was meant to go directly to DeVern.
>>>
>>>-
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>-
>>>
>>>
>>
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From: "Tom Deaver" <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: Re: Re: WIN  A  FREE FREE VACATION !
Date: 21 Dec 1998 19:10:06 -0700

will do.

Deav

-----Original Message-----


>Tell Anne .....Happy birthday.......I thought the story was poor at best.
>Later
>Bob
>K1200rsl=Mine Viagra
>Ducati 996=Foreplay
>F650=Mine placebo
>
>On Mon, 21 Dec 1998 09:10:06 -0700 "Tom Deaver" <[e-mail]>
>writes:
>>Bobster,
>>
>>Would you believe twice.  Took second son from previous life(i mean
>>wife).
>>He liked it as 17 yr olds might. I thought it was funny.
>>
>>Then Anne (my life i mean wife) says lets take the boys, Max & Sam,
>>the ones
>>you all know) So back again I go.  Still thought it was funny.  Seems
>>you
>>could tell the actors and actresses were having fun making this one.
>>Anne
>>mentioned she really like the bubble bath, candles stemware scene.
>>Though
>>we both thought the story line was weak.
>>
>>Did you know that this is the first "Star Trek" movie to computer
>>generated
>>special effects.  They seemed to look better?
>>
>>Today is Anne's birthday and she is at school through Wednesday at 3
>>p.m.  I
>>better get off this computer and go get a cake and roses for a special
>>lunch
>>for her before she threatens to join the previous life ( i mean wife).
>>
>>
>>Ta da, toodles,
>>Deav
>>
>>PS: drove her to school this a.m. and it is colder than a Duc rider
>>with a
>>broken chain.
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Robert H Jensen <[e-mail]>
>>To: [e-mail]
>><[e-mail]>
>>Date: Monday, December 21, 1998 8:50 AM
>>Subject: BB: Re: WIN A FREE FREE VACATION !
>>
>>
>>>I forgot Tom,your outa school now , and hovering around the internet.
>>>Cool......Hay did you see the new Star Trek?.......I thought it was
>>>mediocre at best.
>>>Bob
>>>K1200rsl=Mine Viagra
>>>Ducati 996=Foreplay
>>>F650=Mine placebo
>>>
>>>On Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:41:18 -0700 "Tom Deaver" <[e-mail]>
>>>writes:
>>>>That's'um alrite I's wanta here bout this heree free Bobster
>>vacation
>>>>two.
>>>>weell, fellar
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Jess Jensen <[e-mail]>
>>>>To: INTERNET:[e-mail]
>>>><[e-mail]>
>>>>Date: Monday, December 21, 1998 8:25 AM
>>>>Subject: BB: WIN A FREE FREE VACATION !
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Sorry......This was meant to go directly to DeVern.
>>>>
>>>>-
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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From: "DeVern Gerber" <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: Was:  Free Vacation, now:  Star Trek
Date: 21 Dec 1998 21:21:49 -0700

On 21 Dec 98, at 8:40, Robert H Jensen wrote:

> I forgot Tom,your outa school now , and hovering around the
internet.
> Cool......Hay did you see the new Star Trek?.......I thought it was
> mediocre at best. Bob

Ok, here we go.  the top ten reasons why I was disappointed in the
new Star Trek movie:

10.  For all their techno-wizardry, the Federation still hasn't realized
that you don't turn a spaceship by banking it.  Geez, I hate bad
science....

9.  Briar Patch?  Briar Patch???  C'mon, isn't there ONE original
writer on the staff anymore??

8.  Geordi with eyes.  Some reference points in a character are
best left untouched.

7.  You really expect me to believe that a society capable of warp
drive will spend it's time digging in the sand with dibble sticks to
plant roots??  Ok, I'll give you this one-- maybe they're all Krishnas
at heart.

6.  Klingon Zits.  I really didn't need to see this.....

5.  Abdication of the Prime Directive.  Any Trek writer worth his salt
would know that while everything else is fair game--corrupt
Federation leaders, broken treaties, bad science, whatever-- the
prime directive always has been and always will be inviolate.  to
ask us to believe that the Federation itself would knowingly
abandon the PD is as ludicrous as asking us to believe that
politicians will stop lying.

4.  Troi's new uniform.  Where were all the zippers when Riker
needed them???

3.  Deus Ex Machina strikes again.  One of these days the timing
will be off and Piccard will get blown to hell, instead of being
miraculously transported out of harm's way.  What the heck, at
least we know what MacGuyver's offspring are doing in the 24th
century...

2.  And just what the hell WAS that piece of hand-woven frippery
that Piccard had draped over his head??  Looked like he got
confused and had it relocated to the wrong polar region of his
anatomy...

1.  Last, but not least, the biggie:  STILL NO MOTORCYCLE
CONTENT.  Given the natural attraction between aircraft and
motorcycles (ever notice how many riders are also pilots) they still
continue to ignore motorcycling in the 24th century.  I'm not even
asking for any action shots, here-- I'd be happy with a scene set in
a museum where some truly outdated, quaint, antiquated POS
equipment was on display.  Maybe a K12LT in the background of
the scene...  :^)

DeVern


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: BB: Was:  Free Vacation, now:  Star Trek
Date: 21 Dec 1998 23:27:31 EST

I'll Rule the world with my weather machine!!!!

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From: Jess Jensen <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: A man named Vern
Date: 22 Dec 1998 01:22:37 -0500

As you all know ,i have a lot of respect for Big d, and his riding
ability's,he can read,eat,and even sleep while riding,not to mention
giving a full page critique of  technical blunders from a recent Star Tre=
k
move,Yes indeedie.
"Well" he can also manage to do other things while in the saddle ,that i
had no idea of.....oh well.....you can see for your =

self.....At-  www.utahducati.com/DeVern.gif  .     You gotta love it.

Bobster.com

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From: Jess Jensen <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: A man named Vern
Date: 22 Dec 1998 01:26:10 -0500

Correction on the gif. address......It's
softsolutions.com/smidgley/DeVern.gif

Bobster.com

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From: [e-mail] (Robert H Jensen)
Subject: Re: BB: Was:  Free Vacation, now:  Star Trek
Date: 21 Dec 1998 23:35:33 -0700

So........I guess you didn't like it?
Bob
K1200rsl=Mine Viagra
Ducati 996=Foreplay
F650=Mine placebo

On Mon, 21 Dec 1998 21:21:49 -0700 "DeVern Gerber" <[e-mail]>
writes:
>On 21 Dec 98, at 8:40, Robert H Jensen wrote:
>
>> I forgot Tom,your outa school now , and hovering around the
>internet.
>> Cool......Hay did you see the new Star Trek?.......I thought it was
>> mediocre at best. Bob
>
>Ok, here we go.  the top ten reasons why I was disappointed in the
>new Star Trek movie:
>
>10.  For all their techno-wizardry, the Federation still hasn't
>realized
>that you don't turn a spaceship by banking it.  Geez, I hate bad
>science....
>
>9.  Briar Patch?  Briar Patch???  C'mon, isn't there ONE original
>writer on the staff anymore??
>
>8.  Geordi with eyes.  Some reference points in a character are
>best left untouched.
>
>7.  You really expect me to believe that a society capable of warp
>drive will spend it's time digging in the sand with dibble sticks to
>plant roots??  Ok, I'll give you this one-- maybe they're all Krishnas
>
>at heart.
>
>6.  Klingon Zits.  I really didn't need to see this.....
>
>5.  Abdication of the Prime Directive.  Any Trek writer worth his salt
>
>would know that while everything else is fair game--corrupt
>Federation leaders, broken treaties, bad science, whatever-- the
>prime directive always has been and always will be inviolate.  to
>ask us to believe that the Federation itself would knowingly
>abandon the PD is as ludicrous as asking us to believe that
>politicians will stop lying.
>
>4.  Troi's new uniform.  Where were all the zippers when Riker
>needed them???
>
>3.  Deus Ex Machina strikes again.  One of these days the timing
>will be off and Piccard will get blown to hell, instead of being
>miraculously transported out of harm's way.  What the heck, at
>least we know what MacGuyver's offspring are doing in the 24th
>century...
>
>2.  And just what the hell WAS that piece of hand-woven frippery
>that Piccard had draped over his head??  Looked like he got
>confused and had it relocated to the wrong polar region of his
>anatomy...
>
>1.  Last, but not least, the biggie:  STILL NO MOTORCYCLE
>CONTENT.  Given the natural attraction between aircraft and
>motorcycles (ever notice how many riders are also pilots) they still
>continue to ignore motorcycling in the 24th century.  I'm not even
>asking for any action shots, here-- I'd be happy with a scene set in
>a museum where some truly outdated, quaint, antiquated POS
>equipment was on display.  Maybe a K12LT in the background of
>the scene...  :^)
>
>DeVern
>
>
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>

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From: "DeVern Gerber" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: A man named Vern
Date: 22 Dec 1998 07:34:54 -0700

What can I day, Bob-- she was cute.....

DG

On 22 Dec 98, at 1:22, Jess Jensen wrote:

> As you all know ,i have a lot of respect for Big d, and his riding
> ability's,he can read,eat,and even sleep while riding,not to mention
> giving a full page critique of  technical blunders from a recent Star Trek
> move,Yes indeedie. "Well" he can also manage to do other things while in
> the saddle ,that i had no idea of.....oh well.....you can see for your
> self.....At-  www.utahducati.com/DeVern.gif  .     You gotta love it.
>
> Bobster.com
>
> -
>
>


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1997 Iron Butt Finisher, 1999 Iron Butt Entrant

'83 R80ST
'95 R1100RSL "Das Amsdel"  (Fliegen Sie Hoch und Schnell!)

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From: "DeVern Gerber" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: A man named Vern
Date: 22 Dec 1998 07:42:12 -0700

Well, what I really meant to say was that she was cuter than the
one YOU were riding with!

DG

On 22 Dec 98, at 7:34, DeVern Gerber wrote:

> What can I day, Bob-- she was cute.....
>
> DG
>
> On 22 Dec 98, at 1:22, Jess Jensen wrote:
>
> > As you all know ,i have a lot of respect for Big d, and his riding
> > ability's,he can read,eat,and even sleep while riding,not to mention
> > giving a full page critique of  technical blunders from a recent Star
> > Trek move,Yes indeedie. "Well" he can also manage to do other things
> > while in the saddle ,that i had no idea of.....oh well.....you can see
> > for your self.....At-  www.utahducati.com/DeVern.gif  .     You gotta
> > love it.
> >
> > Bobster.com
> >
> > -
> >
> >
>
>
> DeVern Gerber     [e-mail]
>
> 1997 Iron Butt Finisher, 1999 Iron Butt Entrant
>
> '83 R80ST
> '95 R1100RSL "Das Amsdel"  (Fliegen Sie Hoch und Schnell!)
>
> -
>
>


DeVern Gerber     [e-mail]

1997 Iron Butt Finisher, 1999 Iron Butt Entrant

'83 R80ST
'95 R1100RSL "Das Amsdel"  (Fliegen Sie Hoch und Schnell!)

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From: [e-mail] (Robert H Jensen)
Subject: Re: BB: A man named Vern
Date: 22 Dec 1998 07:47:15 -0700

It realy lends new meaning to "Fliegen Sie Hoch und Schnell"......Huh?
Bob
K1200rsl=Mine Viagra
Ducati 996=Foreplay
F650=Mine placebo

On Tue, 22 Dec 1998 07:34:54 -0700 "DeVern Gerber" <[e-mail]>
writes:
>What can I day, Bob-- she was cute.....
>
>DG
>
>On 22 Dec 98, at 1:22, Jess Jensen wrote:
>
>> As you all know ,i have a lot of respect for Big d, and his riding
>> ability's,he can read,eat,and even sleep while riding,not to mention
>> giving a full page critique of  technical blunders from a recent
>Star Trek
>> move,Yes indeedie. "Well" he can also manage to do other things
>while in
>> the saddle ,that i had no idea of.....oh well.....you can see for
>your
>> self.....At-  www.utahducati.com/DeVern.gif  .     You gotta love
>it.
>>
>> Bobster.com
>>
>> -
>>
>>
>
>
>DeVern Gerber     [e-mail]
>
>1997 Iron Butt Finisher, 1999 Iron Butt Entrant
>
>'83 R80ST
>'95 R1100RSL "Das Amsdel"  (Fliegen Sie Hoch und Schnell!)
>
>-
>
>

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From: "Tom Deaver" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Was:  Free Vacation, now:  Star Trek
Date: 22 Dec 1998 08:19:05 -0700

Well, turn the heat lamp on will ya?

Deav
-----Original Message-----


>I'll Rule the world with my weather machine!!!!
>
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From: "Tom Deaver" <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: Re: A man named Vern
Date: 22 Dec 1998 08:24:59 -0700

Bobster,

I showed the picture  "A Man Called Vern" to my wife and she didn't get it.
Then I told her you guys were being obscene about it.  Her reply was, "It
takes a dirty mind to think like that."

Shame on us,
Deav

-----Original Message-----
<[e-mail]>


As you all know ,i have a lot of respect for Big d, and his riding
ability's,he can read,eat,and even sleep while riding,not to mention
giving a full page critique of  technical blunders from a recent Star Trek
move,Yes indeedie.
"Well" he can also manage to do other things while in the saddle ,that i
had no idea of.....oh well.....you can see for your
self.....At-  www.utahducati.com/DeVern.gif  .     You gotta love it.

Bobster.com

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From: "Tom Deaver" <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: bobster picture "A Man Named Vern"
Date: 22 Dec 1998 08:38:19 -0700

In light of Anne saying we have to have a "dirty mind" to interpret the
above mentioned picture,  guess I'm going to have to leave it out of the
Stinger and leave the dirty minds to Washington, D. C.

Deav

PS: Have all of you signed your chastity affidavit from Jan Graham, Utah
attorney General?
        Will Bobster and Vern take the fifth?  Will the sheep take the same
fifth?


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From: Jess Jensen <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: Re: A man named Vern
Date: 22 Dec 1998 10:36:42 -0500

Deav.......What the H@#%&LL,did you want to show you wife
fore?......Man.......Dont you know that wife's, become like Mother's
when the guy's begin to play?....Schees.........Next time , i will e-mail=

your Mother, and ask if the Deav can come out and play.
And Hay.......The only way you  know if you have a clean mind, is if  it
has been dirty it's self.
Anyways.......It's all in fun......DeVern has got me more times than i ca=
re
to remember.You gotta love it.

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From: "DeVern Gerber" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Re: A man named Vern
Date: 22 Dec 1998 08:36:28 -0700

Yeah, and BOB thought of it FIRST!  :^)

DeVern


On 22 Dec 98, at 8:24, Tom Deaver wrote:

> Bobster,
>
> I showed the picture  "A Man Called Vern" to my wife and she didn't get
> it. Then I told her you guys were being obscene about it.  Her reply was,
> "It takes a dirty mind to think like that."
>
> Shame on us,
> Deav
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jess Jensen <[e-mail]>
> To: INTERNET:[e-mail]
> <[e-mail]>
> Date: Monday, December 21, 1998 11:23 PM
> Subject: BB: A man named Vern
>
>
> As you all know ,i have a lot of respect for Big d, and his riding
> ability's,he can read,eat,and even sleep while riding,not to mention
> giving a full page critique of  technical blunders from a recent Star Trek
> move,Yes indeedie. "Well" he can also manage to do other things while in
> the saddle ,that i had no idea of.....oh well.....you can see for your
> self.....At-  www.utahducati.com/DeVern.gif  .     You gotta love it.
>
> Bobster.com
>
> -
>
>
>
>
> -
>
>


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1997 Iron Butt Finisher, 1999 Iron Butt Entrant

'83 R80ST
'95 R1100RSL "Das Amsdel"  (Fliegen Sie Hoch und Schnell!)

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From: "DeVern Gerber" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: bobster picture "A Man Named Vern"
Date: 22 Dec 1998 08:40:48 -0700

Has she signed hers???

On a different note, since you've brought up the Washington mess,
I have a delightful little White House sound clip that was emailed to
me yesterday that I'd be willing to share with you.  It's a .wav file,
plays on any sound-capable PC, and is yours for the asking.  You'll
need to send me an email if you want it, 'cause I won't broach
etiquette by bombarding everyone on the list with it....

DeVern

On 22 Dec 98, at 8:38, Tom Deaver wrote:

> In light of Anne saying we have to have a "dirty mind" to interpret the
> above mentioned picture,  guess I'm going to have to leave it out of the
> Stinger and leave the dirty minds to Washington, D. C.
>
> Deav
>
> PS: Have all of you signed your chastity affidavit from Jan Graham, Utah
> attorney General?
>         Will Bobster and Vern take the fifth?  Will the sheep take the
>         same
> fifth?
>
>
> -
>
>


DeVern Gerber     [e-mail]

1997 Iron Butt Finisher, 1999 Iron Butt Entrant

'83 R80ST
'95 R1100RSL "Das Amsdel"  (Fliegen Sie Hoch und Schnell!)

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From: [e-mail] (Robert H Jensen)
Subject: BB: Re: A man named Vern
Date: 22 Dec 1998 08:42:26 -0700


Bob
K1200rsl=Mine Viagra
Ducati 996=Foreplay
F650=Mine placebo

On Tue, 22 Dec 1998 08:36:28 -0700 "DeVern Gerber" <[e-mail]>
writes:
>Yeah, and BOB thought of it FIRST!  :^)
What can i say .....I'm on the cutting edge,i guess.
>
>DeVern
>
>
>On 22 Dec 98, at 8:24, Tom Deaver wrote:
>
>> Bobster,
>>
>> I showed the picture  "A Man Called Vern" to my wife and she didn't
>get
>> it. Then I told her you guys were being obscene about it.  Her reply
>was,
>> "It takes a dirty mind to think like that."
>>
>> Shame on us,
>> Deav
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jess Jensen <[e-mail]>
>> To: INTERNET:[e-mail]
>> <[e-mail]>
>> Date: Monday, December 21, 1998 11:23 PM
>> Subject: BB: A man named Vern
>>
>>
>> As you all know ,i have a lot of respect for Big d, and his riding
>> ability's,he can read,eat,and even sleep while riding,not to mention
>> giving a full page critique of  technical blunders from a recent
>Star Trek
>> move,Yes indeedie. "Well" he can also manage to do other things
>while in
>> the saddle ,that i had no idea of.....oh well.....you can see for
>your
>> self.....At-  www.utahducati.com/DeVern.gif  .     You gotta love
>it.
>>
>> Bobster.com
>>
>> -
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>>
>>
>
>
>DeVern Gerber     [e-mail]
>
>1997 Iron Butt Finisher, 1999 Iron Butt Entrant
>
>'83 R80ST
>'95 R1100RSL "Das Amsdel"  (Fliegen Sie Hoch und Schnell!)
>
>-
>
>

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: BB: A man named Vern
Date: 22 Dec 1998 19:44:11 EST

DeVern: My friend the Bobster says you won't respond to him. Please respond to
him to you don't hurt his feelings.
Crit

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From: john beeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: message
Date: 22 Dec 1998 17:39:20 -0800

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Like everywhere else around its fairly cold in Oregon right now.
Unfortunately, I had to drive to the west (wet) side of the state
yesterday.  It was an easy trip over the Cascades and into the
Willamette Valley. Then I got to Portland, two or three snowflakes had
been seen in the region and the entire city was grid locked. The last 30
miles to the airport took over 2 hours!  And the freeway was almost
completely dry!!! The radio said that downtown was grid locked and every
freeway going anywhere was stop and go. We saw cars and trucks driving
on completely dry roads with chains on going over 50 mph! (ouch)

    I think I have a solution.  Nobody that lives west of the Cascades
or Sierras should be allowed to drive when it drops below 32 degrees.
This would keep them from coming over to snow country (my area) and
really making things a mess.  Especially since these people think that
4wd cures all sins.

    What do you think, A temp sensing device that shuts down the engine
at freezing? This might lead to a few tragic events but after a few
incidents those people would know not to even try such trips. Those that
can't figure this out, well, think of it as evolution in action.  Think
of the saved lives. This could be bigger than seat belts, ABS and
airbags combined.

    Well, enough of the therapeutic venting. I need to get back to
developing my plan to get the motor homes of the road.

John B

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From: "Tom Deaver" <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: Re: Re: A man named Vern
Date: 22 Dec 1998 20:18:19 -0700

Bobster,

Anne looked over my shoulder while it was on the screen.  NO , I was not
leering. no I wasn't not me. uh a not me.

Besides, If you can get an e-mail to my mommy I will guarantee a reprint in
the Stinger, since her mind is moldier than even yours, since she's been
dead for 22 years. ; )

Deav
Keep the good ones coming as this is finally getting fun. Can't wait to see
what DeVern has to say about it.
-----Original Message-----
<[e-mail]>


Deav.......What the H@#%&LL,did you want to show you wife
fore?......Man.......Dont you know that wife's, become like Mother's
when the guy's begin to play?....Schees.........Next time , i will e-mail
your Mother, and ask if the Deav can come out and play.
And Hay.......The only way you  know if you have a clean mind, is if  it
has been dirty it's self.
Anyways.......It's all in fun......DeVern has got me more times than i care
to remember.You gotta love it.

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From: "Tom Deaver" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: bobster picture "A Man Named Vern"
Date: 22 Dec 1998 20:22:05 -0700

What are you waiting for? Send it.  It's Anne who has the clean mind.  I got
the joke  before the pix finished printing.

Did you hear about the Psychic who told Hillary that Bill was killed after
he left office?  Hillary replied, " Was I acquitted?"


-----Original Message-----


Has she signed hers???

On a different note, since you've brought up the Washington mess,
I have a delightful little White House sound clip that was emailed to
me yesterday that I'd be willing to share with you.  It's a .wav file,
plays on any sound-capable PC, and is yours for the asking.  You'll
need to send me an email if you want it, 'cause I won't broach
etiquette by bombarding everyone on the list with it....

DeVern

On 22 Dec 98, at 8:38, Tom Deaver wrote:

> In light of Anne saying we have to have a "dirty mind" to interpret the
> above mentioned picture,  guess I'm going to have to leave it out of the
> Stinger and leave the dirty minds to Washington, D. C.
>
> Deav
>
> PS: Have all of you signed your chastity affidavit from Jan Graham, Utah
> attorney General?
>         Will Bobster and Vern take the fifth?  Will the sheep take the
>         same
> fifth?
>
>
> -
>
>


DeVern Gerber     [e-mail]

1997 Iron Butt Finisher, 1999 Iron Butt Entrant

'83 R80ST
'95 R1100RSL "Das Amsdel"  (Fliegen Sie Hoch und Schnell!)

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From: "Thomas W. Kullen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: message
Date: 23 Dec 1998 10:35:59 -0700

john beeson wrote:
>
> Subject: Bitching
> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 10:20:30 -0800
> From: john beeson <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
>
> Like everywhere else around its fairly cold in Oregon right now.
> Unfortunately, I had to drive to the west (wet) side of the state
> yesterday.  It was an easy trip over the Cascades and into the
> Willamette Valley. Then I got to Portland, two or three snowflakes had
> been seen in the region and the entire city was grid locked. The last 30
> miles to the airport took over 2 hours!  And the freeway was almost
> completely dry!!! The radio said that downtown was grid locked and every
> freeway going anywhere was stop and go. We saw cars and trucks driving
> on completely dry roads with chains on going over 50 mph! (ouch)
>
>     I think I have a solution.  Nobody that lives west of the Cascades
> or Sierras should be allowed to drive when it drops below 32 degrees.
> This would keep them from coming over to snow country (my area) and
> really making things a mess.  Especially since these people think that
> 4wd cures all sins.
>
>     What do you think, A temp sensing device that shuts down the engine
> at freezing? This might lead to a few tragic events but after a few
> incidents those people would know not to even try such trips. Those that
> can't figure this out, well, think of it as evolution in action.  Think
> of the saved lives. This could be bigger than seat belts, ABS and
> airbags combined.
>
>     Well, enough of the therapeutic venting. I need to get back to
> developing my plan to get the motor homes of the road.
>
> John B

John,

I know what you mean-my sister and niece were on their way from Tigard
to the Portland Airport-gave herself 2 1/2 hours and missed her flight
to SLC. The plane was half full because nobody could make it to the
airport on time-the second flight missed half it's load because of the
same problem so all the passengers from the first flight got on-but
it was still late in getting off because the Captain couldn't make it to
the airport.  Even with the construction in SLC-I can make it to the
airport in 35 minutes from Park City. Maybe even with all the
construction,it's not so bad here afterall.

Cheers,

Tom

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From: Kent Angell <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: Hi Everyone
Date: 23 Dec 1998 17:31:16 -0700

Hey, just got into this mail system so wanted to wish everyone a Merry
Christmas, etc. I am going to have fun reading all you guys rantings. Is
Sherfy listening? Send me your E-mail address.


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From: john beeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Hi Everyone
Date: 23 Dec 1998 17:19:19 -0800

Hi Kent, glad to hear from you. I've been trying to get Herr Sherfy on
here. The last time I talked to him he had some mega monster pc in the
back room and was getting ready to set it up. If he isn't "here" yet his
e-mail is [e-mail]. But he said he does'nt check his mail
often.

Merry Christmas
John Beeson

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From: [e-mail] (Robert H Jensen)
Subject: Re: BB: Hi Everyone
Date: 23 Dec 1998 18:15:36 -0700

QRZ......Is that you Kent?
No -I don't think John is on the list.
On Wed, 23 Dec 1998 17:31:16 -0700 Kent Angell <[e-mail]>
writes:
>Hey, just got into this mail system so wanted to wish everyone a Merry
>Christmas, etc. I am going to have fun reading all you guys rantings.
>Is
>Sherfy listening? Send me your E-mail address.
>
>
>-
>
>

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From: john beeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: a ford/beemer in our future?
Date: 23 Dec 1998 17:26:13 -0800

I just read in the newspaper that ford may be buying out BMW.  Remember
this comes from a newpaper, not a reliable source.

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From: Jess Jensen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Hi Everyone
Date: 23 Dec 1998 20:34:18 -0500

It's kinda funny,i was setting here listening to Gorden Smith on 2 meters=

and thinking ,gee i wonder if Kent is around the radio.
Welcome Kent.
Bob Jensen

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: BB: a ford/beemer in our future?
Date: 23 Dec 1998 20:38:52 EST

The controlling shareholder of BMW is the German Quandt family. I remember
reading recently that BMW had brought representatives of the family to Munich
for talks in the last several months, so it doesn't sound completely
farfetched to contemplate. Ford has improved Jaguar a lot since it purchased
it, although they have not really had a return on their investment yet.
Crit

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: BB: Hi Everyone
Date: 23 Dec 1998 20:39:31 EST

Roberto: Where on two meters are you listening.
Crit

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From: john beeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: DeVern's "godown wav"
Date: 23 Dec 1998 17:42:58 -0800

Interesting music Mr. D but I don't think I want to hear your choice of
Christmas music :-)

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From: Jess Jensen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Hi Everyone
Date: 23 Dec 1998 20:48:32 -0500

146.662 and 147.03 mhz.......I guess Ford ,want's a real car in there lin=
e
up.(no offense).

Bob..

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From: john beeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Hi Everyone
Date: 23 Dec 1998 17:57:38 -0800

Forget the real car for ford, lets try to imagine a BMW F-250 pickup.
Don't even think about what it would cost.  Then imagine a group of HD's
going down the road with a bmw pickup in the cleanup position.

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From: [e-mail] (Robert H Jensen)
Subject: Re: BB: DeVern's "godown wav"
Date: 23 Dec 1998 18:55:41 -0700

John:
Did, DeVern sent the Clinton wav file to you?I think i busted a gut.
On Wed, 23 Dec 1998 17:42:58 -0800 john beeson <[e-mail]>
writes:
>Interesting music Mr. D but I don't think I want to hear your choice
>of
>Christmas music :-)
>
>-
>
>

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From: Michael Clark <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: DeVern's "godown wav"
Date: 23 Dec 1998 19:52:05 -0700

OK. I wanna hear it to. Can someone send it to [e-mail]?

-- Mike

Robert H Jensen wrote:
>
> John:
> Did, DeVern sent the Clinton wav file to you?I think i busted a gut.
> On Wed, 23 Dec 1998 17:42:58 -0800 john beeson <[e-mail]>
> writes:
> >Interesting music Mr. D but I don't think I want to hear your choice
> >of
> >Christmas music :-)
> >
> >-
> >
> >
>
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From: Michael Clark <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: [Fwd: To Everyone]
Date: 23 Dec 1998 19:53:38 -0700



Victor Kennedy wrote:
>
> Merry Xmas & Happy New Year
>
>              Vic & Bev Kennedy
>
>

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From: Jess Jensen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: DeVern's "godown wav"
Date: 23 Dec 1998 22:01:03 -0500

Done

Bob

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: BB: DeVern's "godown wav"
Date: 23 Dec 1998 22:05:30 EST

I would like to see what everyone is talking about. But as you know Bob, My
computer won't always accept downloads, I don't know what I have to change .
Crit

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From: "DeVern Gerber" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: DeVern's "godown wav"
Date: 23 Dec 1998 21:42:38 -0700

Crit;

The message to you bounced, said your account was not
accepting attachments.  There must be a place in your preferences
or options settings where you can turn attachments on or off.  I can
also get you this on disk, which is probably what I will do.

DeVern


On 23 Dec 98, at 22:05, [e-mail] wrote:

> I would like to see what everyone is talking about. But as you know Bob,
> My computer won't always accept downloads, I don't know what I have to
> change . Crit
>
> -
>
>



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From: "DeVern Gerber" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Hi Everyone
Date: 23 Dec 1998 21:46:22 -0700

Kent!  Good to see you on the list.  John used to be on the list,
may still be lurking here, but since he is still wrestling with his new
computer setup I don't know his status...  John, you out there??

On 23 Dec 98, at 17:31, Kent Angell wrote:

> Hey, just got into this mail system so wanted to wish everyone a Merry
> Christmas, etc. I am going to have fun reading all you guys rantings. Is
> Sherfy listening? Send me your E-mail address.
>
>
> -
>
>



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From: "DeVern Gerber" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Hi Everyone
Date: 23 Dec 1998 21:53:58 -0700

Hey, Bob:

I'm thinking about your ham radio idea but I have one question.  Are
megahertz better than regular hertz????  I need to know before I
take the test.....

DeVern


On 23 Dec 98, at 20:48, Jess Jensen wrote:

> 146.662 and 147.03 mhz.......I guess Ford ,want's a real car in there line
> up.(no offense).
>
> Bob..
>
> -
>
>



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From: Michael Clark <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Hi Everyone
Date: 23 Dec 1998 22:00:45 -0700

Nah, they just hertz a lot more.

-- Mike

DeVern Gerber wrote:
>
> Hey, Bob:
>
> I'm thinking about your ham radio idea but I have one question.  Are
> megahertz better than regular hertz????  I need to know before I
> take the test.....
>
> DeVern
>
> On 23 Dec 98, at 20:48, Jess Jensen wrote:
>
> > 146.662 and 147.03 mhz.......I guess Ford ,want's a real car in there line
> > up.(no offense).
> >
> > Bob..
> >
> > -
> >
> >
>
> -

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From: Jess Jensen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: DeVern's "godown wav"
Date: 24 Dec 1998 00:03:36 -0500

It's probable in your option menu.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: BB: Hi Everyone
Date: 24 Dec 1998 00:08:16 EST

I like kiloherts and farad's.
Crit

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From: [e-mail] (Robert H Jensen)
Subject: Re: BB: Hi Everyone
Date: 23 Dec 1998 22:53:06 -0700

Farad's, are a small furry creature de- the weasel family,in electronics
they are a
lot smaller ,and they run a whole lot faster.I perfer the peca variety my
self.

Ok........Check this out......www.timwike.dircon.co.uk.card.html
                                    " No   pass word needed. "

Deav.......you can't go there,because yo moma sed.








On Thu, 24 Dec 1998 00:08:16 EST [e-mail] writes:
>I like kiloherts and farad's.
>Crit
>
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>
>

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From: [e-mail] (Robert H Jensen)
Subject: Re: BB: Hi Everyone
Date: 23 Dec 1998 22:32:16 -0700

No.....there not any better,there's just more of em.
Now.......Go take the test.
On Wed, 23 Dec 1998 21:53:58 -0700 "DeVern Gerber" <[e-mail]>
writes:
>Hey, Bob:
>
>I'm thinking about your ham radio idea but I have one question.  Are
>megahertz better than regular hertz????  I need to know before I
>take the test.....
>
>DeVern
>
>
>On 23 Dec 98, at 20:48, Jess Jensen wrote:
>
>> 146.662 and 147.03 mhz.......I guess Ford ,want's a real car in
>there line
>> up.(no offense).
>>
>> Bob..
>>
>> -
>>
>>
>
>
>
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>
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From: [e-mail] (Robert H Jensen)
Subject: Re: BB: Hi Everyone
Date: 23 Dec 1998 22:34:05 -0700

The pun,is the lowest part of humor......Did you get the wav?
On Wed, 23 Dec 1998 22:00:45 -0700 Michael Clark <[e-mail]>
writes:
>Nah, they just hertz a lot more.
>
>-- Mike
>
>DeVern Gerber wrote:
>>
>> Hey, Bob:
>>
>> I'm thinking about your ham radio idea but I have one question.  Are
>> megahertz better than regular hertz????  I need to know before I
>> take the test.....
>>
>> DeVern
>>
>> On 23 Dec 98, at 20:48, Jess Jensen wrote:
>>
>> > 146.662 and 147.03 mhz.......I guess Ford ,want's a real car in
>there line
>> > up.(no offense).
>> >
>> > Bob..
>> >
>> > -
>> >
>> >
>>
>> -
>
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>
>

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From: "Tom Deaver" <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: Re: Hi Everyone
Date: 24 Dec 1998 08:21:00 -0700

Merry Christmas, Kent.

O.K. the Ranting can continue now.

Deav
-----Original Message-----


>Hey, just got into this mail system so wanted to wish everyone a Merry
>Christmas, etc. I am going to have fun reading all you guys rantings. Is
>Sherfy listening? Send me your E-mail address.
>
>
>-
>
>


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From: "Tom Deaver" <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: Re: DeVern's "godown wav"
Date: 24 Dec 1998 08:23:46 -0700

Ah come on.

wonder what monica going to give bill for xmas.

wonder what hillary is not going to give bill for xmas.

Deav

-----Original Message-----


>Interesting music Mr. D but I don't think I want to hear your choice of
>Christmas music :-)
>
>-
>
>


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From: "Tom Deaver" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: DeVern's "godown wav"
Date: 24 Dec 1998 08:26:36 -0700

If we go and let Crit in on the secret godown.wav  we'll have to keep
calling him "munificance"

Deav

-----Original Message-----


>I would like to see what everyone is talking about. But as you know Bob, My
>computer won't always accept downloads, I don't know what I have to change
.
>Crit
>
>-
>
>


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From: [e-mail] (Robert H Jensen)
Subject: Re: BB: DeVern's "godown wav"
Date: 24 Dec 1998 08:38:36 -0700


On Thu, 24 Dec 1998 08:26:36 -0700 "Tom Deaver" <[e-mail]>
writes:
>If we go and let Crit in on the secret godown.wav  we'll have to keep
>calling him "munificance"
>Huh?
>Deav
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>To: [e-mail]
><[e-mail]>
>Date: Wednesday, December 23, 1998 8:06 PM
>Subject: Re: BB: DeVern's "godown wav"
>
>
>>I would like to see what everyone is talking about. But as you know
>Bob, My
>>computer won't always accept downloads, I don't know what I have to
>change
>.
>>Crit
>>
>>-
>>
>>
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th=3D
e
pocket and laughed so hard he required a five minute recess to compose
himself.
Oklahoma City:
Gavin Wallace was on trial for the armed robbery of a convenience store
i=3D
n a
district court when he fired his lawyer.  Assistant district attorney
Lar=3D
ry
Jones said Newton, 47, was doing a fair job of defending himself until
th=3D
e
store manager testified that Newton was the robber. Newton jumped up,
accused the woman of lying and then said, "I should've blown your
(expletive) head off." The defendant paused, then quickly added, "If
I'd been the one that was there." The jury took 20 minutes to convict
New=3D
ton
and recommended a 30 year sentence.
---------------------------
Detroit:
DeVern Gerber, 48, walked up to two patrol officers who were showing
their
squad car computer equipment to children in a Detroit neighbourhood. =

Whe=3D
n
he asked how the system worked, the officer asked him for
identification.=3D

Gaitlan gave them his drivers license, they entered it into the
computer,=3D

and moments later they arrested Gaitlan because information on the
screen=3D

showed Gaitlan was wanted for a two year old armed  robbery in St.Louis,
Missouri.
A pair of Michigan robbers entered a record shop nervously waving
revolve=3D
rs.
The first one shouted,   "Nobody move!" When his partner moved, the
start=3D
led
first bandit shot him.
Charlotte NC.(Cigars and Insurance):
A Charlotte, NC, Dave Friese, having purchased a case of very rare, very
expensive=3D

cigars insured them against fire among other things. Within a month,
havi=3D
ng
smoked his entire stockpile of cigars and without having made even his
fi=3D
rst
premium payment on the policy, the man filed a claim against the
insuranc=3D
e
company. In his claim, the man stated the cigars were lost "in a series
o=3D
f
small fires". The insurance company refused to pay, citing the obvious
reason that the man had consumed the cigars in the normal fashion.  The
m=3D
an
sued....and won. In delivering the ruling the judge, agreeing that the
cl=3D
aim
was frivolous, stated nevertheless that the man held a policy from the
company in which it had warranted that the cigars were insurable and
also=3D

guaranteed that it would insure against fire, without defining what it
considered to be "unacceptable fire", and was obligated to pay the
claim.=3D

Rather than endure a lengthy and costly appeal process the insurance
comp=3D
any
accepted the ruling and paid the man $15,000 for the rare cigars he lost
=3D
in
"the fires".

After the man cashed the check, however, the company had him arrested on
=3D
24
counts of arson. With his own  insurance claim and testimony from the
previous
case being used against him, the man was convicted of intentionally
burni=3D
ng
his insured property and sentenced to 24 months in jail and a $24,000
fin=3D
e.


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Subject: BB: Sorry , This is the corrected verison
Date: 24 Dec 1998 11:13:04 -0500



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>
>
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>To: "Robert Goode" <[e-mail]>, "Guenee Braden"
><[e-mail]=3D
>t>,
>        "Margaret Crump" <[e-mail]>,
>        "Bob Jensen" <[e-mail]>,
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>
>A motorcyclist(Bob Jensen) was unknowingly caught in an automated =

>speed
>trap that measure=3D
>d
>his speed using radar and photographed his bike. He later received in =

>the
>mail a ticket for $40 and a photo of his bike.  Instead of payment, =

>he
>sen=3D
>t
>the police department a photograph of $40.  Several days later, he
>receiv=3D
>ed
>a letter from the police that contained another picture... of =

>handcuffs.
>The Motorcyclist promptly sent the money for the fine.
>--------------------------------
>Pontiac, MI.:
>Drug Possession Defendant Christopher Swaner, on trial in March in
>Salt Lake city,Ut. said he had been searched without a warrant.  The
>prosecutor said the officer didn't need a warrant because a "bulge" =

>in
>Christopher's jacket could have been a gun. Nonsense, said =

>Christopher,
>w=3D
>ho
>happened to be wearing the same jacket that day in court. He handed =

>it
>ov=3D
>er
>so the judge could see it. The judge discovered a packet of cocaine =

>in
>th=3D
>e
>pocket and laughed so hard he required a five minute recess to =

>compose
>himself.
>------------------------------------
>Oklahoma City:
>Gavin Wallace was on trial for the armed robbery of a convenience =

>store
>i=3D
>n a
>district court when he fired his lawyer.  Assistant district attorney
>Lar=3D
>ry
>Gavin Wallace,35,was doing a fair job of defending himself =

>until
>th=3D
>e
>store manager testified that Newton was the robber. Newton jumped up,
>accused the woman of lying and then said, "I should've blown your
>(expletive) head off." The defendant paused, then quickly added, "If
>I'd been the one that was there." The jury took 20 minutes to convict
 Wallace.

>
>and recommended a 30 year sentence.
>---------------------------
>Detroit:
>DeVern Gerber, 48, walked up to two patrol officers who were showing
>their
>squad car computer equipment to children in a Detroit neighbourhood. =

>Whe=3D
>n
>he asked how the system worked, the officer asked him for
>identification.=3D
>
>Gerber, gave them his drivers license, they entered it into the
>computer,=3D
>
>and moments later they arrested Gerber, because information on the
>screen=3D
>
>showed Gerber, was wanted for a two year old armed  robbery in =

>St.Louis,
>Missouri.
>---------------------------------
>A pair of Utah, robbers entered a record shop nervously waving
>revolve=3D
>rs.
>When Deav, shouted,   "Nobody move!" When his partner moved, the
>start=3D
>led
>first bandit(Crit) shot him.
>------------------------------------
>Charlotte NC.(Cigars and Insurance):
>A Charlotte, NC, Dave Friese, having purchased a case of very rare, =

>very
>expensive=3D
>
>cigars insured them against fire among other things. Within a month,
>havi=3D
>ng
>smoked his entire stockpile of cigars and without having made even =

>his
>fi=3D
>rst
>premium payment on the policy, the man filed a claim against the
>insuranc=3D
>e
>company. In his claim, the man stated the cigars were lost "in a =

>series
>o=3D
>f
>small fires". The insurance company refused to pay, citing the =

>obvious
>reason that the man had consumed the cigars in the normal fashion.  =

>The
>m=3D
>an
>sued....and won. In delivering the ruling the judge, agreeing that =

>the
>cl=3D
>aim
>was frivolous, stated nevertheless that the man held a policy from =

>the
>company in which it had warranted that the cigars were insurable and
>also=3D
>
>guaranteed that it would insure against fire, without defining what =

>it
>considered to be "unacceptable fire", and was obligated to pay the
>claim.=3D
>
>Rather than endure a lengthy and costly appeal process the insurance
>comp=3D
>any
>accepted the ruling and paid the man $15,000 for the rare cigars he =

>lost
>=3D
>in
>"the fires".
>
>After Friese, cashed the check, however, the company had him arrested =

>on
>=3D
>24
>counts of arson. With his own  insurance claim and testimony from the
>previous
>case being used against him, Friese, was convicted of intentionally
>burni=3D
>ng
>his insured property and sentenced to 24 months in jail and a $24,000
>fin=3D
>e.
>
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From: "Steve Midgley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: Holiday Greetings
Date: 24 Dec 1998 09:33:19 -0700

Best of the season to everyone. Please go to
http://www.utahducati.com/Xmas2.html for your cyber-Christmas card. Takes a
while to load, a minute or so to run.

Steve Midgley
MRA #944
Utah Ducati
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From: [e-mail] (Robert H Jensen)
Subject: Re: BB: Holiday Greetings
Date: 24 Dec 1998 10:39:00 -0700

Thanks Steve.
On Thu, 24 Dec 1998 09:33:19 -0700 "Steve Midgley" <[e-mail]>
writes:
>Best of the season to everyone. Please go to
>http://www.utahducati.com/Xmas2.html for your cyber-Christmas card.
>Takes a
>while to load, a minute or so to run.
>
>Steve Midgley
>MRA #944
>Utah Ducati
>http://UtahDucati.com
>
>
>
>
>
>-
>
>

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From: "Tom Deaver" <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: Re: Sorry , This is the corrected verison
Date: 24 Dec 1998 12:41:20 -0700

These are funnyl

But, If Crit doing the cocaine he probably couldn't even hit me, as wide as
I am.

Deav


>A motorcyclist(Bob Jensen) was unknowingly caught in an automated
>speed
>trap that measure=
>d
>his speed using radar and photographed his bike. He later received in
>the
>mail a ticket for $40 and a photo of his bike.  Instead of payment,
>he
>sen=
>t
>the police department a photograph of $40.  Several days later, he
>receiv=
>ed
>a letter from the police that contained another picture... of
>handcuffs.
>The Motorcyclist promptly sent the money for the fine.
>--------------------------------
>Pontiac, MI.:
>Drug Possession Defendant Christopher Swaner, on trial in March in
>Salt Lake city,Ut. said he had been searched without a warrant.  The
>prosecutor said the officer didn't need a warrant because a "bulge"
>in
>Christopher's jacket could have been a gun. Nonsense, said
>Christopher,
>w=
>ho
>happened to be wearing the same jacket that day in court. He handed
>it
>ov=
>er
>so the judge could see it. The judge discovered a packet of cocaine
>in
>th=
>e
>pocket and laughed so hard he required a five minute recess to
>compose
>himself.
>------------------------------------
>Oklahoma City:
>Gavin Wallace was on trial for the armed robbery of a convenience
>store
>i=
>n a
>district court when he fired his lawyer.  Assistant district attorney
>Lar=
>ry
>Gavin Wallace,35,was doing a fair job of defending himself
>until
>th=
>e
>store manager testified that Newton was the robber. Newton jumped up,
>accused the woman of lying and then said, "I should've blown your
>(expletive) head off." The defendant paused, then quickly added, "If
>I'd been the one that was there." The jury took 20 minutes to convict
Wallace.

>
>and recommended a 30 year sentence.
>---------------------------
>Detroit:
>DeVern Gerber, 48, walked up to two patrol officers who were showing
>their
>squad car computer equipment to children in a Detroit neighbourhood.
>Whe=
>n
>he asked how the system worked, the officer asked him for
>identification.=
>
>Gerber, gave them his drivers license, they entered it into the
>computer,=
>
>and moments later they arrested Gerber, because information on the
>screen=
>
>showed Gerber, was wanted for a two year old armed  robbery in
>St.Louis,
>Missouri.
>---------------------------------
>A pair of Utah, robbers entered a record shop nervously waving
>revolve=
>rs.
>When Deav, shouted,   "Nobody move!" When his partner moved, the
>start=
>led
>first bandit(Crit) shot him.
>------------------------------------
>Charlotte NC.(Cigars and Insurance):
>A Charlotte, NC, Dave Friese, having purchased a case of very rare,
>very
>expensive=
>
>cigars insured them against fire among other things. Within a month,
>havi=
>ng
>smoked his entire stockpile of cigars and without having made even
>his
>fi=
>rst
>premium payment on the policy, the man filed a claim against the
>insuranc=
>e
>company. In his claim, the man stated the cigars were lost "in a
>series
>o=
>f
>small fires". The insurance company refused to pay, citing the
>obvious
>reason that the man had consumed the cigars in the normal fashion.
>The
>m=
>an
>sued....and won. In delivering the ruling the judge, agreeing that
>the
>cl=
>aim
>was frivolous, stated nevertheless that the man held a policy from
>the
>company in which it had warranted that the cigars were insurable and
>also=
>
>guaranteed that it would insure against fire, without defining what
>it
>considered to be "unacceptable fire", and was obligated to pay the
>claim.=
>
>Rather than endure a lengthy and costly appeal process the insurance
>comp=
>any
>accepted the ruling and paid the man $15,000 for the rare cigars he
>lost
>=
>in
>"the fires".
>
>After Friese, cashed the check, however, the company had him arrested
>on
>=
>24
>counts of arson. With his own  insurance claim and testimony from the
>previous
>case being used against him, Friese, was convicted of intentionally
>burni=
>ng
>his insured property and sentenced to 24 months in jail and a $24,000
>fin=
>e.
>
>
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From: "Tom Deaver" <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: List of awards
Date: 24 Dec 1998 14:30:47 -0700

Bobster, could you remind Linda that in addition to the million and one
things she needs to do for the the holidays, that I need the list of what
awards were given out and who got what.

This is the last thing I need to do for the Stinger, after Mike Clark get me
the new addresses for the club officers.

Deav



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From: Jess Jensen <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: List of awards
Date: 24 Dec 1998 19:28:03 -0500

OK

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: BB: List of awards
Date: 24 Dec 1998 19:43:22 EST

Tom Deaver:
If you mean the awards that The Bobster and I did. The following people
received the following awards:

                     Bob Jensen "DuckButt Award"
                      Gary Eagan "Deja Vu" Award
                        Dave & Joan Friese "Old Coots" Award
                      Big D "Tire Rotation" Award
                       Mike Silva "Pathfinder" Award
let me know if you need any additional information

Crit

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From: "Tom Deaver" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: List of awards
Date: 24 Dec 1998 18:01:04 -0700

Bob,

Tell Linda Crit sent me the list.

Deav

Crit,

Thanks,

Deav
-----Original Message-----


>Tom Deaver:
>If you mean the awards that The Bobster and I did. The following people
>received the following awards:
>
>                     Bob Jensen "DuckButt Award"
>                      Gary Eagan "Deja Vu" Award
>                        Dave & Joan Friese "Old Coots" Award
>                      Big D "Tire Rotation" Award
>                       Mike Silva "Pathfinder" Award
>let me know if you need any additional information
>
>Crit
>
>-
>
>


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From: Jess Jensen <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: Marry Christmas
Date: 24 Dec 1998 20:19:39 -0500

To all.

Bob Jensen

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From: "Tom Deaver" <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: Tis the night
Date: 24 Dec 1998 21:58:26 -0700

All a very Merry Christmas!

Tis the hour of the night when cherub elves must attend to their duty.

May Peace, Love and Hope find you and all of your loved ones.

Tonight dream not of sugarplums or fairies, but of warm night rides under a
full moon and clear sky to new and exciting places with dear friends.

Happy Holidays from
The Deaver Family
Tom, Anne, Max, Sam, Pippin(Sam's Schnauzer), Charlie(Max's Schnauzer, real
boss of the homesite), Petee(Same's Parrot), Vanesa(Max's cockatiel), and
the guinea pig(can't figure why this one is actually here)
.


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From: Michael Clark <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Tis the night
Date: 24 Dec 1998 22:03:29 -0700

Good thoughts, Tom. Merry Christmas to you and yours everyone.

-- Mike (and I won't even bother trying to name all of our gerbils.)

Tom Deaver wrote:
>
> All a very Merry Christmas!
>
> Tis the hour of the night when cherub elves must attend to their duty.
>
> May Peace, Love and Hope find you and all of your loved ones.
>
> Tonight dream not of sugarplums or fairies, but of warm night rides under a
> full moon and clear sky to new and exciting places with dear friends.
>
> Happy Holidays from
> The Deaver Family
> Tom, Anne, Max, Sam, Pippin(Sam's Schnauzer), Charlie(Max's Schnauzer, real
> boss of the homesite), Petee(Same's Parrot), Vanesa(Max's cockatiel), and
> the guinea pig(can't figure why this one is actually here)
> .
>
> -

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From: "DeVern Gerber" <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: Merry Chritsmas!
Date: 24 Dec 1998 22:36:00 -0700

Cathy and I want to wish a Merry Christmas to all the Beehive
Beemers.  Hope you also have a Happy New Year filled with lots of
miles and lots of smiles.  Even you, Bobster!  :^)

Merry Christmas!

DeVern, Cathy

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: BB: Merry Christmas
Date: 24 Dec 1998 22:44:09 -0700

A very Merry Christmas to all from Roy and Joan and Kiska (the Siberian
Husky who keeps me around for company and treats).

We will look forward to sharing your good company for yet another great
year!


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From: Kent Angell <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: New Dialog
Date: 27 Dec 1998 13:48:19 -0700

Thanks for the reply John. I will E-mail Sherfy and see if he is alive. Did
I ever send you the picture I took of you and Sherfy coming down Lolo Pass
this summer? If not, send me your address and I will try to find it an get
in the mail to you.

I opened my mail today and had 45 E-mails, all but one were Beehive Beemers!
What a lively bunch (ain't it great!).

Bob Jensen/Crit: I had better start getting more active on 2 meters. Where
do you hang out mostly, 62? What are your call signs? W7VZ here. Carry on
y'all.

john beeson wrote:

> Hi Kent, glad to hear from you. I've been trying to get Herr Sherfy on
> here. The last time I talked to him he had some mega monster pc in the
> back room and was getting ready to set it up. If he isn't "here" yet his
> e-mail is [e-mail]. But he said he does'nt check his mail
> often.
>
> Merry Christmas
> John Beeson
>
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From: Jess Jensen <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: New Dialog
Date: 27 Dec 1998 17:53:36 -0500

Hi Kent:
Crit is working on the -no code tech license right now,i think he plans o=
n
taking the exam next month.
I listen to 62,and 449.10 most of the time,if i'm not scanning.Crit has a=

wonderful 100' tower just right
for a new 440 repeater we are planning to install,untell then ,and when
Crit gets his ticket,we will spend most =

of our time on 146.94. My call is -N7daq,give a call some time on 62,befo=
re
or after" News line" this afternoon.

Take Care

Bob


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From: john beeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: New Dialog
Date: 27 Dec 1998 16:30:11 -0800

Kent,  I talked with John on Christmas and he's "between" computers
right now.  He took the old one down to put in a new desk (old desk
wasn't big enough for new 21" monitor).  Said he was having trouble
getting the new one in place(too heavy) and delivery guys had to take a
door off the hinges.  Anyway if any of you guys could I'm sure he could
use a hand.

John had said you had some pictures of us.  Glad to hear they're of us
on the road, I can't afford much in the way of blackmail right now.  I'd
love to have a copy, address is:  John Beeson
                                  PO Box 36
                  Sisters, Or 97759-0036

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: BB: New Dialog
Date: 27 Dec 1998 19:54:39 EST

Kent: My antenna tower is more like about 65 feet. It it is more than 70 feet
it has to be lit as per the faa. I am planning on taking the no code tech and
novice test on January 26th. If anyone else is interested I have a computer
practice program for all the test elements from novice to Extra etc.
I try to listen to Newsline every sunday night
Crit

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From: Michael Clark <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: Man, oh man, I want to ride.
Date: 28 Dec 1998 02:59:08 -0700

<RAMBLE>
Ah, for a sunny, 80 degree day with new blacktop and new rubber. Riding
through red rock along Lake Powel. Alas, spring will come, eventually.

I'm taking the car to So. Utah to escape the inversion in Jan. sometime.
That'll help.

At least it's not 5 degrees anymore.

Bought the black GS down at Ted's. This is my 4th. You'd think I'd
figure out by now that I REALLY LIKE this model and quit selling them.
Doh!
</RAMBLE>

OK. Time to start a thread. Let's hear your vote for your favorite Utah
road, and a second vote for favorite road, regardless of location.

Here're mine:

Favorite Utah: Highway 95. The bicentennial highway. Runs from Blanding
to Hanksville. Not terribly twisty or technical, but absolutely
beautiful.
Favorite National: Skyline Bvd., above San Jose, when there's no
traffic. The California coastal mountain roads were made for
motorcycles.

-- Mike (who's pretty sure he's hooked for life on motorcycling)

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: BB: Man, oh man, I want to ride.
Date: 28 Dec 1998 08:18:46 EST

Is hooked for life on Motorcycles similar to hooked on fonics?

My favorite road is probably Fairview to Huntington, in the State of Utah.

My favorite other road is probably Highway 50 from Delta to Ely Nevada.

Mike, have you thought about joining some of us for Death Valley over the
weekend of the 15th of January.
Crit

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From: john beeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Man, oh man, I want to ride.
Date: 28 Dec 1998 07:20:40 -0800

Sherfy took me on a road coming back from Durango that I fell in love
with.  It went north out of Loa (#72?) to the freeway.  Open high speed
sweepers thru meadows with clumps of aspen, and no traffic.  I told John
I could have stayed and run back and forth all day.

In Oregon the South Santiam Pass/Hwy.  Little used, lots of twisties and
great scenery.  Ask Dave Frieze or Rick Pelligrino, I took them on it a
few years ago. We had a gas!

Hey Crit, what's the scoop on this death valley thing.  Probably can't
make it but I can daydream about riding down there.


John B.

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From: Dave Friese <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Man, oh man, I want to ride.
Date: 28 Dec 1998 08:25:47 -0700

John I remember that road, it was great

>>> john beeson <[e-mail]> 12/28 8:20 AM >>>
Sherfy took me on a road coming back from Durango that I fell in love
with.  It went north out of Loa (#72?) to the freeway.  Open high speed
sweepers thru meadows with clumps of aspen, and no traffic.  I told John
I could have stayed and run back and forth all day.

In Oregon the South Santiam Pass/Hwy.  Little used, lots of twisties and
great scenery.  Ask Dave Frieze or Rick Pelligrino, I took them on it a
few years ago. We had a gas!

Hey Crit, what's the scoop on this death valley thing.  Probably can't
make it but I can daydream about riding down there.


John B.

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From: Jess Jensen <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: Man, oh man, I want to ride.
Date: 28 Dec 1998 11:02:13 -0500



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<RAMBLE>
Ah, for a sunny, 80 degree day with new blacktop and new rubber. Riding
through red rock along Lake Powel. Alas, spring will come, eventually.

I'm taking the car to So. Utah to escape the inversion in Jan. sometime.
That'll help.

At least it's not 5 degrees anymore.

Bought the black GS down at Ted's. This is my 4th. You'd think I'd
figure out by now that I REALLY LIKE this model and quit selling them.
Doh!
</RAMBLE>

OK. Time to start a thread. Let's hear your vote for your favorite Utah
road, and a second vote for favorite road, regardless of location.

Here're mine:

Favorite Utah: Highway 95. The bicentennial highway. Runs from Blanding
to Hanksville. Not terribly twisty or technical, but absolutely
beautiful.
Favorite National: Skyline Bvd., above San Jose, when there's no
traffic. The California coastal mountain roads were made for
motorcycles.

-- Mike (who's pretty sure he's hooked for life on motorcycling)

  " You might as well admit it, your addicted to Bike's"!(Robert Palmer- =
bobster)

 Mike..I like any road that doesn't have -holes and or Cop's!( i know it'=
s a small thing to ask).

 John B.=3D The Death Valley @Furnace Creek camp ground,is a 3 day event =
in the middle of Jan.
 It is (loosely)sponsored by the -Internet BMW Riders (where every one is=
 president).I went last year with a small group,and
 had a great time,just in case you are worndering, Highs were in the low =
70's and lowes-low 40's.
 "I realy hated that",the ride back was a little cool.
 Take care
 Bob
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: BB: Re: Man, oh man, I want to ride.
Date: 28 Dec 1998 12:00:05 -0700


Ah, what a challenge...this reminds me of the time I had to choose between
skiing and riding (I did both..).
My favorite Utah road is SR12 between Torrey and Escalante.
My favorite non Utah road (for now) is SR95 in Idaho, along the Little
Salmon River.

How about LEAST favorite - I80 between Tooele and Wendover is about as
mind-numbing as some of Jensen's e-mails, but not as bad as I15 in the
dreaded construction zone...



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: BB: Man, oh man, I want to ride.
Date: 28 Dec 1998 18:30:36 EST

John:
           Friese and the Bobster are the experts on the Death Valley "Thing".
I didn't go last year, so I don't know very much about it.
Crit

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From: Jess Jensen <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: Moto Guzzi
Date: 28 Dec 1998 19:51:34 -0500

 Point of intrust .As of today......Salt Lake Motorsports, is the new
dealer for the (Italian BMW) Moto Guzzi. =

Mat said they should start seeing them in the spring.Just thought you mig=
ht
like to know.

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From: Kent Angell <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: New Dialog
Date: 28 Dec 1998 17:49:51 -0700

Thanks for the info. I wasen't aware of 'News line'...what repeater and when? I
don't have 440 yet but am saving my pennies for a dual bander that I can
connect to my packet controller that has VHF and HF ports. I do have a dual
band antenna up but it's just above my roof...my attempt to get it on my tower
had to be aborted until I can design a better mount. Maybe I will put a small
quad between the elements of the big quad!

My favorite roads are Torrey, Lolo Pass and the sweepers coming out of Yosemite
to Mariposa. The blue ridge mountains are beautiful to ride but to many
Winebagos in the summer. The Nachez Trail is a nice ride also from Nashville to
New Orleans.

Jess Jensen wrote:

> Hi Kent:
> Crit is working on the -no code tech license right now,i think he plans on
> taking the exam next month.
> I listen to 62,and 449.10 most of the time,if i'm not scanning.Crit has a
> wonderful 100' tower just right
> for a new 440 repeater we are planning to install,untell then ,and when
> Crit gets his ticket,we will spend most
> of our time on 146.94. My call is -N7daq,give a call some time on 62,before
> or after" News line" this afternoon.
>
> Take Care
>
> Bob
>
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From: Kent Angell <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: New Dialog
Date: 28 Dec 1998 17:52:49 -0700

John, thanks for the info. I will try and find the negatives and have
another set made up and send to you. I caught the live action just like the
magazines do! You guys looked right smart. How's your girlfriend doing since
her accident? Still want to ride? I'm getting old I guess because I have
forgotten her name and know it will come to me as soon as I press 'Send' on
this message!

john beeson wrote:

> Kent,  I talked with John on Christmas and he's "between" computers
> right now.  He took the old one down to put in a new desk (old desk
> wasn't big enough for new 21" monitor).  Said he was having trouble
> getting the new one in place(too heavy) and delivery guys had to take a
> door off the hinges.  Anyway if any of you guys could I'm sure he could
> use a hand.
>
> John had said you had some pictures of us.  Glad to hear they're of us
> on the road, I can't afford much in the way of blackmail right now.  I'd
> love to have a copy, address is:  John Beeson
>                                   PO Box 36
>                                   Sisters, Or 97759-0036
>
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: BB: New Dialog
Date: 28 Dec 1998 20:34:45 EST

Kent: Newsline and the UARC news net are on Sunday Night at 9:00 at 146.62. I
am interested in learning more about packet radio, once I get my license. I
had forgotten till you mentioned it, how nice the road out of Yosemite to
Mariposa Is.
Thanks for reminding me.
Crit

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From: [e-mail] (Victor Kennedy)
Subject: BB: Rides!
Date: 28 Dec 1998 19:56:22 -0700 (MST)

Utah- Hwy.12 Torre to Escalante.
Natl.- Any Mtn. road in Colo. & the Wind River area in Wyo.
Vic





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From: Gavin Wallace <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Re: Man, oh man, I want to ride.
Date: 28 Dec 1998 21:08:05 -0700

I'll agree with the Bobster.  No holes and no tickets are always my
favorite roads....GW

At 12:00 PM 12/28/98 -0700, you wrote:
>
>Ah, what a challenge...this reminds me of the time I had to choose between
>skiing and riding (I did both..).
>My favorite Utah road is SR12 between Torrey and Escalante.
>My favorite non Utah road (for now) is SR95 in Idaho, along the Little
>Salmon River.
>
>How about LEAST favorite - I80 between Tooele and Wendover is about as
>mind-numbing as some of Jensen's e-mails, but not as bad as I15 in the
>dreaded construction zone...
>
>
>
>-
>
>
Gavin Wallace
Blue '96 R1100RTL

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From: Jess Jensen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Re: Man, oh man, I want to ride.
Date: 28 Dec 1998 23:25:36 -0500



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I'll agree with the Bobster.  No holes and no tickets are always my
favorite roads....GW

At 12:00 PM 12/28/98 -0700, you wrote:
>
>Ah, what a challenge...this reminds me of the time I had to choose betwe=
en
>skiing and riding (I did both..).
>My favorite Utah road is SR12 between Torrey and Escalante.
>My favorite non Utah road (for now) is SR95 in Idaho, along the Little
>Salmon River.
>
>How about LEAST favorite - I80 between Tooele and Wendover is about as
>mind-numbing as some of my e-mails, but not as bad as I15 in the
>dreaded construction zone...
>
>
>
>-
>
>
Gavin Wallace
Blue '96 R1100RTL

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From: [e-mail] (Thane M Beckstrand)
Subject: BB: Re: An alternative in February
Date: 29 Dec 1998 00:06:02 -0700

Mike...

I share your winter frustration, and hope you enjoy your January
excursion.  If your up to a return in February and have 600 miles on your
new GS, I'm planning on a ride to D.V. in the middle of February and
would enjoy your company.

I'd have to cast my vote for highway 12 in Utah, but there's a lot of
roads I haven't been on yet.  In California it's a toss-up between
Ebbetts/Monitor Passes in the Sierra and Highway 1 south of Monterey.  I
miss them both.

Regards, Thane

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From: "DeVern Gerber" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Re: An alternative in February
Date: 28 Dec 1998 23:25:17 -0700

Thane, you are right about Ebbetts and Monitor being a nice ride.
Two years ago on the Rawhide Rally I rode Sonora, Ebbetts,
Monitor, Carson, Luther and Beckwourth in a row, starting at about
4:00 am on the south end.  They were all fun except Sonora, which
was a cast iron bitch at that hour...

As for the rest, there are too many great roads to have a favorite
one.  Usually, my favorite road is the one I'm on at the moment--
interstates excepted.  I like to spend time on hwy12, SR72,
Fairview to Huntington, Flaming Gorge to Vernal, US50, alt14 from
Panguitch to Cedar City, US12 from Lolo west, the backroads of
eastern Oregon, and so on.....    But if you want a really fun road
that will twist you inside out try the run from Enterprise, OR to
Clarkston/Lewiston.

DeVern

On 29 Dec 98, at 0:06, Thane M Beckstrand wrote:

> Mike...
>
> I share your winter frustration, and hope you enjoy your January
> excursion.  If your up to a return in February and have 600 miles on your
> new GS, I'm planning on a ride to D.V. in the middle of February and would
> enjoy your company.
>
> I'd have to cast my vote for highway 12 in Utah, but there's a lot of
> roads I haven't been on yet.  In California it's a toss-up between
> Ebbetts/Monitor Passes in the Sierra and Highway 1 south of Monterey.  I
> miss them both.
>
> Regards, Thane
>
> -
>
>



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From: Michael Clark <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Re: An alternative in February
Date: 29 Dec 1998 00:16:52 -0700

DeVern,

Your mention of Oregon reminded me of my trip to Mt. Saint Helens last
summer. Riding through this phenominal aftermath of the eruption, downed
trees, new growth, snow-capped volcanoes all around. All this, and 100%
broken yellow lines. The entire park is pass at your own descretion.
Anyone know why this is (not that I'm complaining.)

-- Mike

DeVern Gerber wrote:
>
> Thane, you are right about Ebbetts and Monitor being a nice ride.
> Two years ago on the Rawhide Rally I rode Sonora, Ebbetts,
> Monitor, Carson, Luther and Beckwourth in a row, starting at about
> 4:00 am on the south end.  They were all fun except Sonora, which
> was a cast iron bitch at that hour...
>
> As for the rest, there are too many great roads to have a favorite
> one.  Usually, my favorite road is the one I'm on at the moment--
> interstates excepted.  I like to spend time on hwy12, SR72,
> Fairview to Huntington, Flaming Gorge to Vernal, US50, alt14 from
> Panguitch to Cedar City, US12 from Lolo west, the backroads of
> eastern Oregon, and so on.....    But if you want a really fun road
> that will twist you inside out try the run from Enterprise, OR to
> Clarkston/Lewiston.
>
> DeVern
>
> On 29 Dec 98, at 0:06, Thane M Beckstrand wrote:
>
> > Mike...
> >
> > I share your winter frustration, and hope you enjoy your January
> > excursion.  If your up to a return in February and have 600 miles on your
> > new GS, I'm planning on a ride to D.V. in the middle of February and would
> > enjoy your company.
> >
> > I'd have to cast my vote for highway 12 in Utah, but there's a lot of
> > roads I haven't been on yet.  In California it's a toss-up between
> > Ebbetts/Monitor Passes in the Sierra and Highway 1 south of Monterey.  I
> > miss them both.
> >
> > Regards, Thane
> >
> > -
> >
> >
>
> -

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: BB: Re: An alternative in February
Date: 29 Dec 1998 08:20:58 EST

DeVern:
            I was saving Enterprise Oregon to Salmon Idaho for the truly
annointed. Now you have spoiled it, just kidding. I have also done all of the
passes you  and Thayne mentioned and they are all great roads, on further
reflection, since every motorcycle ride is archetypical, each ride is new and
onto its own and such a return to the beginning. They are all great.
Crit

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: BB: Re: An alternative in February
Date: 29 Dec 1998 08:21:34 EST

I mean Enterprise to Lewiston on Salmon.

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From: john beeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Re: An alternative in February
Date: 29 Dec 1998 06:17:30 -0800

Crit,
     Enterprise to Lewis/Clarkston on Salmon? Is that a new model of
bike or riding under the influence of salmon? :-)

That highway is known as the rattlesnake, My only problem with it is I
don't push the edge of the envelope very well when looking at drops of
hundreds and hundreds of feet. ( i know don't look, but i know its
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From: john beeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: New Dialog
Date: 29 Dec 1998 06:37:23 -0800

Kent,
       Lila is doing fine. She still wants to ride. The thing that upset
her the most was not being able to do the whole Missoula trip on her own
bike.  We bought an R80ST for her last fall and I am going thru it this
winter. (valve job, rings, tires, carbs,etc) So she will have a "new"
bike this spring.

     For those of you who don't know (most) Lila, my now domestic
partner, crashed her bike on the way to the national. About 20 miles
south of Riggins Id. she had a choice of leaving the road or becoming a
hood ornament on the log truck that was in her lane.

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From: "Thomas W. Kullen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Re: An alternative in February
Date: 29 Dec 1998 10:42:54 -0700

Since everyone likes HYWT 12 so much (I can safely say that I was more
intimate with this road than most folks), maybe we should have the
spring breakout at the Thousand Lakes in Torrey. Nice campground,
clean bathrooms with hot showers. Only disadvantage is it is at
7,000 ft. so it probably would be cooler than Moab-but you do get to
ride Fairview Canyon.

Cheers,

Tom

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From: "Tom Deaver" <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: Stinger Stomp
Date: 29 Dec 1998 15:39:03 -0700

Hey all,

The December Stinger Stomp will be tomorrow evening at my home at 7:00 p.m.

Reply if you can still make it.

Deav


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From: "Tom Deaver" <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: Stinger Stomp - lost one volunteer need replacement
Date: 29 Dec 1998 20:39:19 -0700

To all physically co-ordinated Beehive Beemer members,

I need one more volunteer for tomorrow night's Stinger Stomp, to staple,
fold, mutilate, tape and stamp Jan. issue of Stinger.

Any takers?  I know it's not a ride by it only takes a little less than one
hour and you get to take yours home before anybody else even sees it.

Deav


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From: "DeVern Gerber" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Re: An alternative in February
Date: 29 Dec 1998 20:39:53 -0700

We had a spring breakout there several years ago; it ranked as one
of the most miserable camping experiences in group history.  As
you say, the campground is at high elevation.  Add in the fact that
there is little shade or wind protection from the oh-so-small and
scarce trees, along with that area's capability for strong winds and
cold temps, and you can understand why most of the people who
attended came close to freezing their kiesters.  Some even did.  If
we want to head for the Boulder Mtn area, let's do Calf Creek again!
 Another viable option would be Capitol Reef...

DeVern


On 29 Dec 98, at 10:42, Thomas W. Kullen wrote:

> Since everyone likes HYWT 12 so much (I can safely say that I was more
> intimate with this road than most folks), maybe we should have the spring
> breakout at the Thousand Lakes in Torrey. Nice campground, clean bathrooms
> with hot showers. Only disadvantage is it is at 7,000 ft. so it probably
> would be cooler than Moab-but you do get to ride Fairview Canyon.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tom
>
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>
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: BB: Re: An alternative in February
Date: 29 Dec 1998 22:55:05 EST

I would second Calf Creek, the built a new outhouse. Also, for years I have
wanted to have a camp out at Natural Bridges State Park on the Bicentennial
Highway. It is near enough to Fry Canyon etc to have a place to eat or you
could ride to Mexican Hat and Monument Valley Etc. With the last full weekend
in April being fairly early in the month, we may want to postpone until the
last final weekend in April, The Cruelest Month, that actually ends on the
first of May.
Crit

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: BB: Re: An alternative in February
Date: 29 Dec 1998 22:57:37 EST

Correction: May first is on a Saturday so the campout would end on May second.
DeVern, Bob and I could figure out some sort of appropriate May Day ritual for
Saturday Night. Also, we could go back to Oak City Canyon, not a bad place at
all.
Crit

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From: Michael Clark <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Re: An alternative in February
Date: 29 Dec 1998 20:59:41 -0700

Who's up for going _down_ Moki Dougway in the mud?

-- Mike

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> I would second Calf Creek, the built a new outhouse. Also, for years I have
> wanted to have a camp out at Natural Bridges State Park on the Bicentennial
> Highway. It is near enough to Fry Canyon etc to have a place to eat or you
> could ride to Mexican Hat and Monument Valley Etc. With the last full weekend
> in April being fairly early in the month, we may want to postpone until the
> last final weekend in April, The Cruelest Month, that actually ends on the
> first of May.
> Crit
>
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: BB: Re: An alternative in February
Date: 29 Dec 1998 23:03:42 EST

It just hit me, must have been someting I ate, how about a Spring Breakout
coupled with a Tour of the Hog Farms down Milford way. Any takers. I will shut
up for the rest of the night.
Crit

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: BB: Stinger Stomp
Date: 29 Dec 1998 22:11:45 -0800

Tom:

Ill be there before 7:00 pm

thanks

Jeff Stokes
 88 R100RT

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From: "DeVern Gerber" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Re: An alternative in February
Date: 29 Dec 1998 22:12:26 -0700

Been there, done that.  Down is easy, up is a problem if it rains in
the next county over.  Great place to check out your bike for loose
parts, though--that washboard surface will shake anything loose!

DeVern


On 29 Dec 98, at 20:59, Michael Clark wrote:

> Who's up for going _down_ Moki Dougway in the mud?
>
> -- Mike
>
> [e-mail] wrote:
> >
> > I would second Calf Creek, the built a new outhouse. Also, for years I
> > have wanted to have a camp out at Natural Bridges State Park on the
> > Bicentennial Highway. It is near enough to Fry Canyon etc to have a
> > place to eat or you could ride to Mexican Hat and Monument Valley Etc.
> > With the last full weekend in April being fairly early in the month, we
> > may want to postpone until the last final weekend in April, The Cruelest
> > Month, that actually ends on the first of May. Crit
> >
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From: "DeVern Gerber" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Re: An alternative in February
Date: 29 Dec 1998 22:13:55 -0700

Sounds great!  Shall we have Bobster bring a boat and skis so we
can go surfing in the lagoons???

On 29 Dec 98, at 23:03, [e-mail] wrote:

> It just hit me, must have been someting I ate, how about a Spring Breakout
> coupled with a Tour of the Hog Farms down Milford way. Any takers. I will
> shut up for the rest of the night. Crit
>
> -
>
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From: "Tom Deaver" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Stinger Stomp
Date: 29 Dec 1998 22:39:25 -0700

Jeff,

Do you need the address?

Deav


-----Original Message-----


Tom:

Ill be there before 7:00 pm

thanks

Jeff Stokes
88 R100RT

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From: [e-mail] (Robert H Jensen)
Subject: BB: Re: An alternative in February
Date: 29 Dec 1998 23:33:02 -0700

All things considered,I prefer Zions park.It has room's for rent,for the
wimps, fine dinning near by, great roads to ride all around,hiking,good
climate,nice camping & bathroom facilities,and the obvious-beautiful
scenery.Gee.....I think i talked myself in to it! All seriousness aside
here,we have always dealt with the problem every year of keeping the
spring break out as close and as low (elevation)as possible.
"Hold that thought Big d" . I know the club  had problems with the camp
ground Nazi
in the past,but it might be worth a try.I look at it as getting a bad
meal at your favorite
restraint,it doesn't mean you won't go back ! Zions,  Snow Canyon again
or Natural Bridges get my vote.


On Tue, 29 Dec 1998 22:13:55 -0700 "DeVern Gerber" <[e-mail]>
writes:
>Sounds great!  Shall we have Bob bring a gun and bullets so we
>can go snrfing in the lagoons???
>
>On 29 Dec 98, at 23:03, [e-mail] wrote:
>
>> I just hit me, must have been someting I ate, how about a Spring
>Breakout
>> coupled with a Tour of the Harley Hog Farms down Milford way. Any
takers.?
  "just don't drink the water"!
>> shut up for the rest of the night Critonian.
>>
>> -
>>
>>
>
>
>
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From: "DeVern Gerber" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Re: An alternative in February
Date: 30 Dec 1998 00:10:46 -0700

I nominate Bob to contact the Zions campground Nazi and try to
arrange a group camping area.  Be sure to mention that we are on
motorcycles and ask how many WHEELS we will be able to park
in the group area.

DG

PS:  Maybe the campground Nazi has been replaced by a
campground skinhead???  What was his name, again???
and no, I never go back to a restaurant that serves me a
bad meal.  There are too many other options for me to ever
consider that....


On 29 Dec 98, at 23:33, Robert H Jensen wrote:

> All things considered,I prefer Zions park.It has room's for rent,for the
> wimps, fine dinning near by, great roads to ride all around,hiking,good
> climate,nice camping & bathroom facilities,and the obvious-beautiful
> scenery.Gee.....I think i talked myself in to it! All seriousness aside
> here,we have always dealt with the problem every year of keeping the
> spring break out as close and as low (elevation)as possible. "Hold that
> thought Big d" . I know the club  had problems with the camp ground Nazi
> in the past,but it might be worth a try.I look at it as getting a bad meal
> at your favorite restraint,it doesn't mean you won't go back ! Zions,
> Snow Canyon again or Natural Bridges get my vote.




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Date: 30 Dec 1998 02:32:23 -0500



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I nominate Bob to contact the Zions campground Nazi and try to =

arrange a group camping area.  Be sure to mention that we are on =

motorcycles and ask how many WHEELS we will be able to park =

in the group area.

DoG..............OK i except,damit!

PS:  Maybe the campground Nazi has been replaced by a =

campground skinhead???  What was his name, again???
and no, I never go back to a restaurant that serves me a
bad meal.  There are too many other options for me to ever
consider that....TV dinner's!uuuuummmmmyum.


On 29 Dec 98, at 23:33, Robert H Jensen wrote:

> All things considered,I prefer Zions park.It has room's for rent,for th=
e
> wimps, fine dinning near by, great roads to ride all around,hiking,good=

> climate,nice camping & bathroom facilities,and the obvious-beautiful
> scenery.Gee.....I think i talked myself in to it! All seriousness aside=

> here,we have always dealt with the problem every year of keeping the
> spring break out as close and as low (elevation)as possible. "Hold that=

> thought Big d" . I know the club  had problems with the camp ground Naz=
i
> in the past,but it might be worth a try.I look at it as getting a bad m=
eal
> at your favorite restraint,it doesn't mean you won't go back ! Zions, =

> Snow Canyon again or Natural Bridges get my vote.                      =
   =





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From: [e-mail] (Thane M Beckstrand)
Subject: BB: Re: Spring breakout
Date: 30 Dec 1998 08:38:48 -0700

Is that a promise, Crit, or just a cruel teaser?

Thane

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From: [e-mail] (Thane M Beckstrand)
Subject: BB: Re: Spring breakout
Date: 30 Dec 1998 08:33:22 -0700

Comments and suggestions duly noted, Devern.

Thane

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From: [e-mail] (Thane M Beckstrand)
Subject: BB: Re: An alternative in February
Date: 30 Dec 1998 08:36:40 -0700

Where's Moki Dugway?  And how MUCH mud?  And When?

Thane

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From: [e-mail] (Thane M Beckstrand)
Subject: BB: Re: Spring breakour
Date: 30 Dec 1998 08:29:42 -0700

Thanks for the suggestion, Tom.  We can always hope for an early, warm
spring.

Regards, Thane

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Subject: BB: Re: An alternative in February
Date: 30 Dec 1998 10:19:09 -0500



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Where's Moki Dugway?  And how MUCH mud?  And When?

Thane      Good morning Thane.Your question sounds a little desperate.
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Subject: BB: Re: Spring breakout
Date: 30 Dec 1998 11:22:24 -0500



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Comments and suggestions duly noted, Devern.

Thane......Thanks Thane,....Here is a suggestion-If we return to the Oak =
creek site,I would like to see Big d,take his stitch off and lay it down =
across the muddy creek spot,so i can ride across and avoid getting my bik=
e dirty. (jk).

-Sorry for the band width DeVern.


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From: "DeVern Gerber" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Re: Spring breakout
Date: 30 Dec 1998 09:31:30 -0700

On 30 Dec 98, at 11:22, Jess Jensen wrote a miniscule message buried under a full page of headers:

<snippa>
>
> Comments and suggestions duly noted, Devern.
>
> Thane......Thanks Thane,....Here is a suggestion-If we return to the Oak
> creek site,I would like to see Big d,take his stitch off and lay it down
> across the muddy creek spot,so i can ride across and avoid getting my bike
> dirty. (jk).
>
> -Sorry for the band width DeVern.

But Bob, when Sir Walter Raleigh did this is was for a LADY.
Asking me to do it for you thus poses the question of whether I
should consider you a LADY or a GENTLEMAN.  Some of us are
having trouble picturing you in either category....
<g>


DeVern



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From: Jess Jensen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Re: Spring breakout
Date: 30 Dec 1998 12:01:38 -0500

DeVern:

Thank you very much for your most kind and considerate reply.However,afte=
r
seeing your pic (gif) on the internet the other day,
i could & will say the same ol buddy! No greater love hath one man for
anouther that a female caress could ever tear asunder.
Bob

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Subject: Re: BB: Re: Spring breakout
Date: 30 Dec 1998 12:07:15 -0500



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DeVern:

Thank you very much for your most kind and considerate reply.However,afte=
r
seeing your pic (gif) on the internet the other day,
i could & will say the same ol buddy! No greater love hath one man for
anouther that a female caress could ever tare asunder.
Bob

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From: Michael Clark <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Re: Spring breakout
Date: 30 Dec 1998 10:15:11 -0700

I just want to see Bob ride sidesaddle.

-- Mike

DeVern Gerber wrote:
>
> On 30 Dec 98, at 11:22, Jess Jensen wrote a miniscule message buried under a full page of headers:
>
> <snippa>
> >
> > Comments and suggestions duly noted, Devern.
> >
> > Thane......Thanks Thane,....Here is a suggestion-If we return to the Oak
> > creek site,I would like to see Big d,take his stitch off and lay it down
> > across the muddy creek spot,so i can ride across and avoid getting my bike
> > dirty. (jk).
> >
> > -Sorry for the band width DeVern.
>
> But Bob, when Sir Walter Raleigh did this is was for a LADY.
> Asking me to do it for you thus poses the question of whether I
> should consider you a LADY or a GENTLEMAN.  Some of us are
> having trouble picturing you in either category....
> <g>
>
> DeVern
>
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From: [e-mail] (Robert H Jensen)
Subject: BB: Re: Spring breakout
Date: 30 Dec 1998 10:34:23 -0700

It does make for a faster dismount Mike.
Thinking of lunch @ the shop,care to join?
On Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:15:11 -0700 Michael Clark <[e-mail]>
writes:
>I just want to see Bob ride sidesaddle.
>
>-- Mike
>
>DeVern Gerber wrote:
>>
>> On 30 Dec 98, at 11:22, Jess Jensen wrote a miniscule message buried
>under a full page of headers:
>>
>> <snippa>
>> >
>> > Comments and suggestions duly noted, Devern.
>> >
>> > Thane......Thanks Thane,....Here is a suggestion-If we return to
>the Oak
>> > creek site,I would like to see Big d,take his stitch off and lay
>it down
>> > across the muddy creek spot,so i can ride across and avoid getting
>my bike
>> > dirty. (jk).
>> >
>> > -Sorry for the band width DeVern.
>>
>> But Bob, when Sir Walter Raleigh did this is was for a LADY.
>> Asking me to do it for you thus poses the question of whether I
>> should consider you a LADY or a GENTLEMAN.  Some of us are
>> having trouble picturing you in either category....
>> <g>
>>
>> DeVern
>>
>> -
>
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>
>

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From: "DeVern Gerber" <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: Sidesaddle Bob
Date: 30 Dec 1998 13:34:06 -0700

Yeah, the Bobster riding sidesaddle...  whatta concept!  Hey bob,
check out the cartoon in this URL--  I think she's riding your next
motorcycle....

http://www.macnelly.com/archivefolder/macnelly_edtoon112798.jpe
g

(note the "g" in jpeg)

<G>

DeVern

DeVern Gerber     [e-mail]

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'83 R80ST
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From: Gavin Wallace <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Re: An alternative in February
Date: 30 Dec 1998 18:59:43 -0700

I think Zion is a great place, but it's gotten so busy over the last few
years.  Would we be able to reserve a group area this late?  I guess I
could earn the title of wimp and camp out at Flannigan's Inn.  I know Bob,
you already gave me that title.

I've been to Snow Canyon many times on photographic outings, but I have
never camped there.  How are the facilities?  It's a little to close to St.
George, but this location is definitely in the Top 5.

Any of the lower elevation areas get my vote.  Zion was always my favorite.

Gav

At 11:33 PM 12/29/98 -0700, you wrote:
>All things considered,I prefer Zions park.It has room's for rent,for the
>wimps, fine dinning near by, great roads to ride all around,hiking,good
>climate,nice camping & bathroom facilities,and the obvious-beautiful
>scenery.Gee.....I think i talked myself in to it! All seriousness aside
>here,we have always dealt with the problem every year of keeping the
>spring break out as close and as low (elevation)as possible.
>"Hold that thought Big d" . I know the club  had problems with the camp
>ground Nazi
>in the past,but it might be worth a try.I look at it as getting a bad
>meal at your favorite
>restraint,it doesn't mean you won't go back ! Zions,  Snow Canyon again
>or Natural Bridges get my vote.
>
>
>On Tue, 29 Dec 1998 22:13:55 -0700 "DeVern Gerber" <[e-mail]>
>writes:
>>Sounds great!  Shall we have Bob bring a gun and bullets so we
>>can go snrfing in the lagoons???
>>
>>On 29 Dec 98, at 23:03, [e-mail] wrote:
>>
>>> I just hit me, must have been someting I ate, how about a Spring
>>Breakout
>>> coupled with a Tour of the Harley Hog Farms down Milford way. Any
>takers.?
>  "just don't drink the water"!
>>> shut up for the rest of the night Critonian.
>>>
>>> -
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-
>>
>>
>
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From: Jess Jensen <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: Big d ?
Date: 30 Dec 1998 22:29:42 -0500

I dont know Bid d . I'm not sure how much more i can stand of your
ungrateful attitude! =

Excuse me for a minute,i'll be right back and finish this.I need a beer.

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I dont know Bid d . I'm not sure how much more i can stand of your
ungrateful attitude! I have written songs ,i looked out for you with
genuine, heart of my bottom concern,when you did your (now famous)
reverse wheel mounting ploy.I even had a webb site dedicated for you with=
 your pic.I have defended you with,may i add,great
fervor ,when some one at your school said you ate #%^*@!~sandwiches for =

lunch ,i said i knew that it wasn't true because you hated the bread!
I have stood by you through thick and thin ,tickets ,near misses &- camp =

ground hygiene. We have enjoyed cheep cigars,bad beer,and good joke's,why=

even Crit and the "our world" series seems to have ended only to be repla=
ced
by the Jeffrey Dahmer menu.Yes things have gone down hill it seems.I have=
 always
thought that the BB list was a good way to carry on the camp ground antic=
s
we cherish in fond memories,like the time you got into camp late,i helped=
 you set
your Tent and was so tired i climed into the wrong tent and got slapped "=
sorry Dave"-
and i know now that those weren't pillows,and how about the time you Crit=
 and i stayed
up late one night listening to the sounds of our little beemer club -zipp=
ing,velcroing
and yes (excuse me)farting, kinda brings a tear to your eye doesn't it .
It won't be long now i hope when jetting down the road looking for a perm=
o camp site
will be our only concerns out side of how to keep the beer cold & where's=
 the potty.
As for me...well , after talking to PC Tom today,he ,in his tactful way,h=
as convinced me
to give up my sinful posting and start a new life,he thinks we sound like=
 a couple of old
biddies,and you know what? i think he's right!thanks Tom......So i have j=
ested my last jest
and posted my last post.I tier of poor restaurant service,being fliped of=
f and ignored at my favorite department store as a result of my post's.
I am going to move to Park City where the little pinkie is still exceptab=
le etiquette and
resume my post dietary consumtion on another list.The Big d and little bo=
bster show is over.
Mabe.....we can find old DeVern and Sherfy rerun's.(JK).

My standard disclasimer

Bob










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Date: 31 Dec 1998 02:02:33 -0500



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I dont know Bid d . I'm not sure how much more i can stand of your
ungrateful attitude! I have written songs ,i looked out for you with
genuine, heart of my bottom concern,when you did your (now famous)
reverse wheel mounting ploy.I even had a webb site dedicated for you with=
 your pic.I have defended you with,may i add,great
fervor ,when some one at your school said you ate #%^*@!~sandwiches for =

lunch ,i said i knew that it wasn't true because you hated the bread!
I have stood by you through thick and thin ,tickets ,near misses &- camp =

ground hygiene. We have enjoyed cheep cigars,bad beer,and good joke's,why=

even Crit and the "our world" series seems to have ended only to be repla=
ced
by the Jeffrey Dahmer menu.Yes things have gone down hill it seems.I have=
 always
thought that the BB list was a good way to carry on the camp ground antic=
s
we cherish in fond memories,like the time you got into camp late,i helped=
 you set
your Tent and was so tired i climed into the wrong tent and got slapped "=
sorry Dave"-
and i know now that those weren't pillows,and how about the time you Crit=
 and i stayed
up late one night listening to the sounds of our little beemer club -zipp=
ing,velcroing
and yes (excuse me)farting, kinda brings a tear to your eye doesn't it .
It won't be long now i hope when jetting down the road looking for a perm=
o camp site
will be our only concerns out side of how to keep the beer cold & where's=
 the potty.
As for me...well , after talking to PC Tom today,he ,in his tactful way,h=
as convinced me
to give up my sinful posting and start a new life,he thinks we sound like=
 a couple of old
biddies,and you know what? i think he's right!thanks Tom......So i have j=
ested my last jest
and posted my last post.I tier of poor restaurant service,being fliped of=
f and ignored at my favorite department store as a result of my post's.
I am going to move to Park City where the little pinkie is still exceptab=
le etiquette and
resume my post dietary consumtion on another list.The Big d and little bo=
bster show is over.
Mabe.....we can find old DeVern and Sherfy rerun's.(JK).

My standard disclasimer- ok it wouldn't be me right

Bob










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From: "DeVern Gerber" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Big d ? part 2
Date: 31 Dec 1998 08:04:36 -0700

So, you're packing up your marbles and going home???

DG

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From: "Tom Deaver" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Big d ? part 2
Date: 31 Dec 1998 08:46:05 -0700

Bobster and Big D,

You guys can not stop the worlds best comedy site on the web.  Hey guys half
the folks who first check in can not tell if you two are about to bring out
the gloves for a gentleman's challenge.  The other half figure you two will
end it with a joust while mounted on your respective bikes.

Besides I figure this is Bobsters new year resolution and we all know how
long those last.

Deav
PS: gotta go put the Jan. Stingers in the mail.   Be back in a couple of
hours. And Yes I am taking the bike.  Any one for lunch at Ted's?
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So, you're packing up your marbles and going home???

DG

On 31 Dec 98, at 1:27, Jess Jensen wrote:




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From: "Ralph Smithers" <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: Freddie Spencer School
Date: 31 Dec 1998 16:08:32 -0700

This is my first posting on this list, so hello.

I am trying to get a group together for an early spring session in Las Vegas
at the Freddie Spencer High Performance Riding School.  For those of you
with some Pridmore/Keith Code type school experience, this is quite
different.  They have groups with a maximum size of 15, they run the
sessions for 2 and 3 days, they provide the bikes (computer equipped Honda
600 F2s), and  breakfast and lunch.  They are also expensive, which is why
I'm trying to put a group together.

They have a pre-scheduled 2 day program on March 30-31, and an interesting 3
day one on March 10-12.  The three day one includes some dirt track jumping
and sliding lessons - which could be useful for some of us.

The basic charge for the 2 day course is $1595, and the 3 day course is
$1895.  They will give a 5% discount for a group of 5 to 8, and 10% for a
group of 8 to 15.

They will work with us on different dates if we get over 8 participants.

If you want to know more, they have a website at fastfreddie.com

If you think you might be interested, let me know.  There are 3 people going
now, so a 5% discount isn't hard to reach.




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: BB: Re: The Jensen Manifesto
Date: 31 Dec 1998 20:00:20 EST

All: Parts of the Jensen Manifesto brought tears to my eyes. The Acme of the
latter part of the twentieth century, has been displayed at Beehive Beemer
functions over the last decade. To think that the American Century has been
just to make this possible. If you believe in Bob, just like Tinkerbell, clap
you hands and say, I do believe, I do believe, don't let this been the end of
the Bobster-Gerber funster hour. Cast your votes at www.givethemachance.com.
The dream of reason makes montsers of us all.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: BB: Re: The Jensen Manifesto
Date: 31 Dec 1998 20:05:53 EST

I meant don't let this be the end of the bobster gerber funster hour. ANd the
dream of reason makes monsters of us all.

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From: Jeb Berg <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: Spring Breakout
Date: 31 Dec 1998 18:50:15 -0700

Ok. I have been sitting here in the background quietly paying attention to
all of the bantering back and forth about the spring breakout. So far I
have the following:

1. Thousand Lakes near Torrey - I assume the reference is to the RV park
there? But DeVern points out that the club went there years ago and due to
the sparse and small trees at 7,000 feet, the wind and cold was a killer.

2. Calf Creek - I assume Calf Creek Recreation Area on the Escalante River,
near as I can tell 13 miles from Boulder, UT. New outhouse according to Crit.

3. Capital Reef National Park - Elevation 5,500 feet; 12 miles from Torrey,
UT.

4. Natural Bridges National Park - Elevation 6,500 feet; 34 miles from
Blanding, UT.

5. Zions National Park - Elevation 4,000 feet. Bob Jensen seems quite high
on this choice but he and DeVern lost me with the campground "Nazi." What
is that all about?

6. Snow Canyon - I found no less than 4 "Snow Canyons" in Utah but one
State Park (7 mile north of St. George) Is that it?

7. Oak City Canyon - Found "Oak City" but no Oak City Canyon. Tell me more.

I assume there may be other ideas out there. Judging by the collection of
comments so far, Moab is out this spring?

Jeb



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: BB: Spring Breakout
Date: 31 Dec 1998 21:11:44 EST

Jeb: The campground Nazi was a park official at Zions years's ago who tried
not to allow us to camp because of the number of wheels times the number of
motorcycles. What we finally determined they wanted was for us to load all of
our bike onto a flat bed trailer and then we would fit in there guidelines.
They knew that we were a BMW Motorcyle Club, and that there was a good chance
that we would be riding Motorcycles.

Oak Canyon is about 2 miles our of Oak City. If you didn't know, Oak City Utah
was the first choice of where the Federal Government wanted to construct what
eventually became Los Alamos, it was only when they realized they would have
some problem  acquiring water rights, that they started to look elsewhere and
it was then the J. Robet Openheimer, mentioned to his superiors the Private
School that was the initial site of what became Los Alamos. Just thought I
would throw in the history lesson to add a sense of adventure and place to a
fairly nice place.

Critonian

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From: "DeVern Gerber" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: BB: Big d ? part 2
Date: 31 Dec 1998 21:19:18 -0700

Well, Bob and I have done our best over the last 5-6 months to try
and get this list going, to get the post level above the one or two
posts per week--or month--that were previously the norm.  Heck, a
couple of members have even upgraded their computer systems
just so they could get on the net and watch Bob and me pour sand
in each other's undies.  But, I guess all good things must come to
an end eventually, so someone else will have to step in and take
over.  We now return you to your former polite, proper, politically
correct, humdrum, empty, humorless, socially acceptable list.
Please excuse me while I extend a pinky on my beer and rip off a
fart in the general direction of Park City.

Happy New Year,
DeVern


On 31 Dec 98, at 8:46, Tom Deaver wrote:

> Bobster and Big D,
>
> You guys can not stop the worlds best comedy site on the web.  Hey guys
> half the folks who first check in can not tell if you two are about to
> bring out the gloves for a gentleman's challenge.  The other half figure
> you two will end it with a joust while mounted on your respective bikes.
>
> Besides I figure this is Bobsters new year resolution and we all know how
> long those last.
>
> Deav
> PS: gotta go put the Jan. Stingers in the mail.   Be back in a couple of
> hours. And Yes I am taking the bike.  Any one for lunch at Ted's?
> -----Original Message----- From: DeVern Gerber <[e-mail]> To:
> Jess Jensen <[e-mail]>; [e-mail]
> <[e-mail]> Date: Thursday, December 31, 1998
> 8:06 AM Subject: Re: BB: Big d ? part 2
>
>
> So, you're packing up your marbles and going home???
>
> DG
>
> On 31 Dec 98, at 1:27, Jess Jensen wrote:
>
>
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From: Michael Clark <[e-mail]>
Subject: BB: If you have the time and/or bandwidth.
Date: 31 Dec 1998 23:56:38 -0700

I've put a couple of files on the web server that you might want to have
a listen to.

The first one http://www.aspengrove.com/yakkos_universe.mp3 (1,825K)
should help put your place in the universe into perspective.

The second one http://www.aspengrove.com/wakkos_america.mp3 (891K)
should be used as a riding guide next season.

-- Mike (Closet Animaniacs fan.)

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