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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 07:41:06 GMT
From: Bill Carr <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Bore Diameter of Drones

I had my drone bottoms sleeved with brass too. Now they tune lower and
sound better. More powerful yet smooth and rock steady.

If you reduce the size of the tuning chamber (on a tenor drone at least)
it will sharpen the drone. The opposite effect of reducing the bore on a
drone bottom.

Can someone explain this?


Bill Carr


Chris Hamilton wrote:

> Prior to this year I too thought that a wider bore would produce a
> flatter pitch.  But then ...
>
> I had my bass drone bottom section sleeved this summer.  It was tuning
> up very high. Roddy MacLellan and I experimented with it. First he
> opened it up a bit, then a bit more, and it tuned even higher with a
> variety of reeds.  Then he sleeved it and voila down it came.
>
> Chris
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Chris Hamilton -- [e-mail]
> City of Washington Pipe Band
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 08:28:08 -0400
From: "dnimmo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: my revamped Sinclairs

Maeve wrote in message <[e-mail]>...
>
>Awwww . . .David . . . you hurt me here! The Wygent Drone Queen of the
>South, remember??  I thought we were FRIENDS! Here's a trick that will work
>every time . . . . just tie another bridle over the rubber bridle using
>waxed dental floss. Tie it just as you would a bridle on a cane reed .. not
>tight but snug. This lets you adjust it a little further up without closing
>down the reed. I've performed "Maeve's Magick" on 7 Wygents this week and
>created some very happy Wygent users . . . none could believe that I could
>do it so quickly and make them so easy to play. Now that the secret is out,
>I'll have to look for another job. This one didn't pay real well anyway . .
>oh well.


Unfortunately Maeve, most of us do not have "instant access" to your smiling
face and magic fingers, and/or are not inclined to major reed surgery  "a la
Zu"..........or, in all fairness, don't want to have to call Mark to get the
various special instructions that will get them humming (he is most obliging
and very helpful)............

if I want to frig around with reeds I will use wygents or that ilk........if
I want to frig around and get really good drone sound I will use my cane
(except to date Ian's reeds don't seem to need much friggin)...........but
if I want to be a "street hacker"  and use something that is stable, doesn't
take much air, are easy to tune, don't have to be rebuilt after every
season, and allow me to spend my free time in the beer tent rather than on
the workbench........well the gentleman above, with the Sinclair's, has said
it all.

But being a friend doesn't mean having to say I'm sorry Maeve !

David



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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 08:29:00 -0400
From: "dnimmo" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: FIDDLE GROUP

Paul Gretton wrote in message <[e-mail]>...
>Is there a newsgroup for fiddlers? (Specifically Irish)


Why    ?                           David



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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 11:19:45 -0500
From: "Ewan A. Macpherson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Bore Diameter of Drones

Ccc31807 wrote:
>
> Surely there is a formula that describes the relationship betweem the
> diameter of the bore and the pitch of the drone. Anyone know what it is?

Unfortunately, there is no simple relationship between a tube's diameter and its
resonant  frequencies.  The lowering of pitch with decreased diameter is not
intrinsically determined by the shape of the bore - it arises because air is a viscous
fluid and experiences friction with the bore walls.  There is a boundary layer of
air next to the walls which is moving more slowly than the air in the center.  This
makes the system "laggy" and lowers the resonant frequency below that predicted
by geometry alone.  In a narrower bore, the boundary layer comprises a a greater
fraction of the total cross-section and the frequency-lowering effect is greater.
The effect also depends on the the smoothness of the bore walls.

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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 07:10:35 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Bore Diameter of Drones

On Wed, 22 Dec 1999 01:55:56 -0800, "Todd" <[e-mail]>
wrote:
>My question is:  Are older ('classic') sets predominantly wider- bored, from
>repeated wear/Re-Boring over the years;  or, were they originally
>manufactured this way?

I have a theory on some of that. I know that when wood shrinks,
sometimes it shrinks from outside and the inside toward the center of
the ring--or in other words, the bore shrinks outward and the outside
shrinks inward. The outside stress often pulls the grain open
somewhere and you get a crack. I don't know how significant any such
shrinkage would be inside the bore.

Counter to that would be the effect of moisture on the inside of the
bore, which would tend to swell the grain up and decrease the ID, so
again, it's hard to say which factor would win out but I think in the
long run shrinkage would surpass whatever swelling you'd get in the
grain.

Royce

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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 15:07:32 GMT
From: Brian Counihan <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: EUSPBA upgrades

In article <[e-mail]>,
  [e-mail] (Manchesterpb) wrote:
> Dear Matt,
>
> Only two EUSPBA Gr. V bands were upgraded, our grade V band and the
Mohawk
> Valley Frasers.
>
> Ryan
> Manchester PB
>
>

 Actually there's 3 then, Rory O'Moore got the boot also. We are trying
to gain insight into the criteria that was used to boot them up to the
IV. They only won 2 contests and finished tied for 6th in the overall.
If they got the boot why didn't bands 3-5 get the boot also?
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Date: 22 Dec 1999 13:04:13 -0500
From: "Matt Buckley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: When Johnny comes marching home

jobrie <[e-mail]> wrote in article

> Why do you object to only Irish tunes being played on the Highland Pipes?

See below.

> The "Irish" pipes (as many people refer to them as) you were talking
about
> are the Uilleann Pipes. The other Irish pipes, not as well known I'm
afraid,
> are the Irish Warpipes, from which the Highland Pipes developed.

I should have been more clear - I was referring to uilleann pipes.

> I also have never met an Irish musician reluctant to play a
> Scottish song, as the Scots are the cousins of the Irish.

> ╔amon


Two basic reasons for my, admittedly extreme, viewpoint:

1.  Tonal qualities of the GHB, which I alluded to before;

2.  The nature of the music itself.  Robert Frost believed that
     "if you do not know something specifically, then you do not
     know it".  Far too often, musicians who have not studied
     either Scottish or Irish music in depth fail to understand
     and appreciate a few of the profound differences between
     the two, e.g. ornamentation, speed, feel, accent, tonal
     qualities, etc..  I object to overuse of the word "Celtic"
because it implies that Scottish-Irish-Breton-Cape Breton           music
etc.is all the same.  It is not.

     I do not argue that there are no exceptions.  Some tunes
     do cross over rather well.  However, the top professional
     fiddlers offer a good example:  Natalie McMaster limits
     herself, for the most part, to Cape Breton/Scottish tunes;
     Liz Carroll limits herself to Irish tunes;  Alasdair Fraser and
     Johnny Cunningham play mostly Scottish tunes; Martin
     Hayes plays Irish tunes, and so on.  Surely they crossover
     sometimes during sessions, parties, etc., but none of these
     folks refer to themselves as "Celtic" fiddlers.

     Look at Irish pipers.  Paddy Keenan doesn't play Scottish
     music.  Jerry O'Sullivan, who plays Highland and UP
     extremely well, doesn't play Scottish music on UP.  Liam
     O'Flynn attempts it only on rare occasion. Timothy Britton
     doesn't play Scottish music on UP.  None of these folks
     refer to the music they play as "Celtic".

     What about button accordian players?  Billy McComiskey,
     Sharon Shannon, Joe Derrance, Paddy O'Brien etc. do not
     play Scottish music, nor are they "Celtic" accordianists.

     So, play Irish tunes if you like on GHB.  Sometimes it
     works quite well.  But are you playing Irish music?  Most
     Irish musicians I hang around would say no.


Cheers.  Matt


     Oh. One last thing - just a pet peeve, no slam intended.
     We play TUNES on the pipes, not songs.


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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 14:07:02 -0500
From: "Maeve" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: my revamped Sinclairs

dnimmo <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
> Unfortunately Maeve, most of us do not have "instant access" to your
smiling
> face and magic fingers, and/or are not inclined to major reed surgery  "a
la
> Zu"..........or, in all fairness, don't want to have to call Mark to get
the
> various special instructions that will get them humming (he is most
obliging
> and very helpful)............


Ya know, David, I thought of this for a while this morning. You are right. I
seem to forget the time that I spent LEARNING how to set up these reeds. It
was not instant. If my memory serves me correctly, I sat for weeks, 10 hours
a day, fighting and trying to get things right. But, in fairness, these were
the first drone reeds that I owned going into the first pipe that I owned
and I knew NOTHING (not that I know much now but that was an incredible
learning experience!). My husband saw the floods of tears that fell from
pure frustration and I was on my own . . . I had no one to show me anything.
Tenacity was the only thing that I had in my favor. But when I found all of
the secrets, it all came together and I LOVE Wygents. They are steady,
consistant, sound good, weather doesn't bother them (well, as long as the
temperature stays under 93 degrees!) nor does the humidity. I just handed a
set over to Sandy this morning. He didn't have the time to fool with them,
wanted to hear them and entrusted them to me for setting up. When he played
them this morning, he liked what he heard, was impressed with the small
amount of air that they took, and loved the strike in. The great part about
this? Once they are set up this way, you never have to touch them again.
Now, to make Sandy happy made ME happy . . . it told me that I am on the
right track :) My next challenge is a set of Kilberry drone reeds. I won't
have the time to fool with them until Christmas has passed but then I will
give it a go. I have to be honest and say that I have never fooled with some
of the other reeds but I would love to have a go at these as well. I just
enjoy getting them set up and am more than willing to hand them off to make
room for another challenge.  My cane are giving me great pleasure and I'm
not sure . . . YET . . . that I will give them up anytime soon. But I really
haven't been playing cane long enough to find the problems with them so I'll
withhold my judgment on these for the time being.

> But being a friend doesn't mean having to say I'm sorry Maeve !

Nor did I ask for an apology, Sweetheart. We can agree to disagree about
many things. Wouldn't the world be a boring place if we all saw things the
same way :) :) :) Still love you, Hon!
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 15:14:03 GMT
From: Brian Counihan <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Trend tapering off soon????

In article <[e-mail]>,
  Ccc31807 <[e-mail]> wrote:
> In article <83oa3r$v4j$[e-mail]>, Brian Counihan
> <[e-mail]> wrote:
> who has potential and
> > who is
> > never going to really be anything better than a parade hack. This
> > instrument is definately Darwinian in nature!
> > --
> > Brian C.
>
> No more so than any other musical instrument. The difference is that
> any idiot can hit a piano key and sound just like Horowitz, or pluck a
> guitar string and sound just like Julian Bream. It takes a high level
> of proficiency just to blow a satisfactory tone on the GHB - plus it's
> LOUD and PUBLIC, so everyone knows whether or not you've got it.
>
> My opinion - mastery of the pc is easier than most other instruments,
> mastery of the GHB is easier than a chordal instrument (organ, piano,
> guitar, violin, etc.); at the performance level, the GHB is the
hardest
> instrument in the world to play (that I know of) because of the degree
> of physical effort, physical coordination, and mental concentration
> required. It's easy to do, but extremely difficult to do well.
>
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>

Actually you've clarified and bolstered muy point quite well.

Thank You!

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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 15:19:40 GMT
From: Brian Counihan <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Trend tapering off soon????

In article <83qhto$hc7$[e-mail]>,
  [e-mail] wrote:

>
> Maybe they think you're not very good.
>

  Bad Form!!!

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Date: 22 Dec 1999 20:05:11 GMT
From: [e-mail] (JSLOANPR)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Trend tapering off soon????

>>
>> Maybe they think you're not very good.
>>
>
>  Bad Form!!!

Right, no piping goodies under the tree for him this Christmas ( or ZUPIPER  T
shirts either ).

Santa

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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 15:44:55 -0500
From: Bob Cameron <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Bore Diameter of Drones

Todd wrote:
snip  about diameter, resistance.

The impedence or accustic resistance is inversley proportional to the bore
diameter.  For example, a practice chanter is

> easier (to me) to blow than say a flute.  The flute offers almost zero
> resistance but takes a lot of Air (dV/dT).  That's hard for a novice to do.

You can get better results on the flute ( and not work nearly as hard, or get
dizzy) if you reduce the diameter of your embouchure. Try keeping you lips
together, parted only by the thinnest airstream you can direct at the edge of
the tone hole. The Puff and pucker method is much less efficient, and produces
an inferior tone.  By  directing a thinner stream acroos the hole, you'll get a
lot more sound on a lot less air. In other words- the resistance is at your
lips, not between you and the flute.


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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 15:57:32 -0500
From: Bob Cameron <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Scots put their Dirks in their Socks

"Jeff Ramsden (MacLe≥id)" wrote:
snip

>
> No -  "Sgian dubh" if you are writing Scots Gaelic
> (Gαidhlig).  "Skein" would be pronounced
> "Skeen", which is incorrect - the word is "Skee-yan"
> (two syllables).
>
> > or "Black Knife", a Scots last means of defense.

Quite right, too.. A skein Dubh would be a Dark (or black) Thread-
something found rather to often on this ng.

>
> snip again
>
> Slan agus nollaig shone dhuibh!  (Health and Happy Christmas)

agus leat fhein

>
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> Pacific Region Vice President Clan MacLeod Society USA, Inc.
> Clann MhicLe≥id Le≤dhais - "I Birn Quhil I Se"
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 13:24:15 -0800
From: "Jeff Ramsden (MacLe≥id)" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Scots put their Dirks in their Socks

Bob Cameron <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
>
>
> "Jeff Ramsden (MacLe≥id)" wrote:
> snip
>
> >
> > No -  "Sgian dubh" if you are writing Scots Gaelic
> > (Gαidhlig).  "Skein" would be pronounced
> > "Skeen", which is incorrect - the word is "Skee-yan"
> > (two syllables).
> >
> > > or "Black Knife", a Scots last means of defense.
>
> Quite right, too.. A skein Dubh would be a Dark (or black) Thread-
> something found rather to often on this ng.

ROFL......Tha!  Fior ceart mo charaid!  'S math sin!


> > Slan agus nollaig shone dhuibh!  (Health and Happy Christmas)
>
> agus leat fhein

Mo\ran taing. :)

Mar sin leat,
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 17:19:54 -0500
From: "John Mitchell" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: HELP?? Email privacy??

> JOHN BROADWELL
>
> > I run windows 95 and Microsoft office 97 so my emails come in Outlook
> > Express

BTW John, you need Outlook Express ver-5

you can down load from microsofts website

cheers

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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 17:23:23 -0500
From: "John Mitchell" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Hi - just lurking - don't mind me....

his true website address is:
http://www.geocities.com/Nashville/Stage/2462/



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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 13:41:27 -0800
From: "Jeff Ramsden (MacLe≥id)" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Another strange eBay knife

Hi all -

Here's another strange one....on eBay (go figure).  The sgian dubh
*looks*
all right, but can you imagine carrying a 9.25" knife in your hose!??!

Notice the word "knife" in the above sentence.  I know how some of
you are....

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=223132720



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Date: 23 Dec 1999 02:04:26 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Trend tapering off soon????

>Maybe they think you're not very good.

Could be, but in that case they catch on reeeeeeeeeeeal sllloooooooooooooow.

Zu

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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 01:28:27 +0100
From: "Leslie Thomson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) BIG THANK YOU

Just wanted to mention that I've just received a pair of second hand HTSs
from Derek Watson.

Not only do I want thank him but I want to make public the quality of his
character.

When quoting the cost of mailing the drums he inadvertently quoted the cost
of mailing one. Nevertheless when Derek received the money order he promptly
delivered the drums and THEN told me of his little mistake.

So here is an honest man who stands by his word.

THANKS DEREK.

Leslie
The Gaucho Piper
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 19:10:18 -0700
From: sdon <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Can you identify these pipes??

Check out this web site for pics of the mystery pipes.

Let me know,

Don

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Date: 23 Dec 1999 02:16:42 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: canmore bag problems

> all joints seem to be airtight . the problem is i
>can't seem to keep the canmore bag inflated enough to even get the chanter to
>fire.

Did you check the bag for leaks (cork up the stocks and all that)?  Drone reeds
not sucking too much air?  Chanter reed not too hard (or from the '70s)?

Zu

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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 19:11:24 -0700
From: sdon <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Oops! Can you identify THESE pipes???

See this web site for pics.
http://members.spree.com/entertainment/wpcp

Let me know,

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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 04:02:45 GMT
From: "Ron Bowen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Oops! Can you identify THESE pipes???

Don, well done!
Looks to be an old, old set of pipes by Glen.
Very distinctive projecting ivory mount design.
Flat bushings and bell design
Short ivory ferules without bead
Delicate and distinctive cord bead
Bass drone stock is not original, but looks to have been fitted with
original ivory.
Discoloration in ivory speaks to age.
Looks to be brittle too, with fresh break in projecting mount.

If not by Glen, then by someone copying Glen.  I think it's pretty safe to
say that they were made prior to 1900, but exactly how much prior, I could
not say.  A restoration job for a pro only, and even then, no guarantees
that they would hold up to playing.  Scary stuff.  I think I have some Glen
ivory ferules, bushings, and one projecting mount in my basement.  Let me
know if they're needed.

The stocks (other than the bass) threw me a bit.  I only knew MacDougall to
make stocks with a base of that design.  Again, perhaps a clue as to age.
Damn, I hate identifying bagpipes?

Regardless of condition, a real find, worthy of special treatment.
Good luck
Ringo

sdon <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
> See this web site for pics.
> http://members.spree.com/entertainment/wpcp
>
> Let me know,
>
> Don
> --
> PIPER AT LARGE ([e-mail])
> White Peaks Pipe Band
> http://www.angelfire.com/ut/sdon/index.html
>
>



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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 17:05:15 -0800
From: Mike Le Boeuf <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Another strange eBay knife

Stephen Hamilton wrote:
>
> "Jeff Ramsden (MacLe≥id)" wrote:
>
> > Hi all -
> >
> > Here's another strange one....on eBay (go figure).  The sgian dubh
> > *looks*
> > all right, but can you imagine carrying a 9.25" knife in your hose!??!
> >
> > Notice the word "knife" in the above sentence.  I know how some of
> > you are....
>
>

Lovely $11 Indian made Sgian Dhu.

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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 04:12:25 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: FIDDLE GROUP

On Wed, 22 Dec 1999 10:10:04 -0800, Paul Gretton
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>Is there a newsgroup for fiddlers? (Specifically Irish)

You have to be able to read.

Royce

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Date: 23 Dec 1999 01:51:01 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone

>One question I might put to you all, whether you voted ore not. Looking at
>the lists as they have come out, and still not knowing anything about them,
>are there any particularly anomalies you can spot? ie. tunes that appeared
>surprising high or low in any one list compared to where YOU think they
>should have been?

3 tunes finished lower in the overall standings than I would have expected
(based on the individual chanter and drone rankings), and 2 finished higher.

Tune 26 (Arlie's Big Day): chanter 5th, drones 2nd. yet only 7th overall.

Tune 15 (Mairi Bhan Og): chanter 11th, drones 7th.  But only 16th overall.

Tune 25 (Smallpipe Tune): chanter 5th, drones 14th, yet 16th overall.

Tune 5 (Rowan Tree): chanter 20th, drones 20th.  Yet 7th overall.

Tune 14 (Hag at the Churn): chanter 18th, drones 16th, yet 10th overall.

The other overall results were pretty much in line with the individual chanter
and drone rankings except for these 5.

Zu

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Date: 23 Dec 1999 02:27:28 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Drone Reed Problem

>Traditionally, pipers used their tongues to block the air flow?
>Or is this just rubbish?

According to a book by C.F. Rogers, the modern blowpipe valve was invented by
"No-Tongue" Tommy MacCrimmon.  Prior to this, pipers used their tongues to
block the air flow.

During a competition, MacCrimmon was using the traditional method and suffered
a terrible injury.  During the a-mach variation of his piob, his chanter pulled
out of its stock and the ensuing rush of air sucked his tongue down the
blowpipe.  It had to be amputated when all attempts to free it failed.

MacCrimmon went on to invent the flapper valve.

Zu

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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 18:29:11 -0800
From: "Jeff Ramsden (MacLe≥id)" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Another strange eBay knife

Stephen Hamilton <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
> "Jeff Ramsden (MacLe≥id)" wrote:
>
> > Hi all -
> >
> > Here's another strange one....on eBay (go figure).  The sgian dubh
> > *looks*
> > all right, but can you imagine carrying a 9.25" knife in your
hose!??!
> >
> > Notice the word "knife" in the above sentence.  I know how some of
> > you are....
>
> Did you happen to see that $2500 dirk last week?  It was damascus
steele
> with a beautiful handle and sheath.  Stunning!
>
> Stephen
>


You're kidding! :(((  I totally missed it.  *sigh*  That would have
been
a nice piece to have..
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- ----------------------
Goraidh "Jeff" MacLeod Ramsden, FSA (Scot.)
Pacific Region Vice President Clan MacLeod Society USA, Inc.
Clann MhicLe≥id Le≤dhais - "I Birn Quhil I Se"
http://www.macleodpacific.org



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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 00:40:34 -0500
From: Richard Mao <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Musicians ear plugs!!

Rick...

If I am not mistaken...the brand name that uses ER-20 as a model name has only
actually 12 db noise reduction and also cuts too much of the high frequencies for
my taste... where 9-10 db is like tissue paper...

My musicians earplugs... which have a tympanum  that passes through more of the
high frequencies... has a 25 db reduction which I find fine with any more than two
pipers in a closed room... and anytime there is a snare drummer or two in the
indoors environment..

Unless the indoor environment is both close and hard surfaced (cinder block walls
and linoleum floor) I find I don't "need" the earplugs for only one or two pipers.

Cheers.

I wish every day could be Christmas, except for Christmas Eve, and maybe the
Fourth of July....... John Pryne

Richard Mao, The Peking Piper ( [e-mail] )


Rick Brice wrote:

> I bought a set of musicians ear plugs, ER-20, from
> http://precisionweb.com/hrg_protection/musicians_plugs/index.html
> They kill the sound level far too much.
> So 20db attenuation is too much to suit me.
> I'd like to know what attentuation level most people find adequate.
>
> JOHN BROADWELL wrote:
> >
> > OK Paul, here goes, I walked into one of the three music stores in Hull,
> > Gough and Davy, asked for musicians ear plugs, I have to say the place was
> > full of heavy duty amplifiers, and rock guitars etc, etc, not a place for a
> > respectable piper to languish!! They said yes sir, what size? I said my ears
> > were "about" normal, pure guesswork really, paid my ú12.95 and left in
> > trepidation. ú12.95 is some bread to lay out not knowing if they would be
> > any good, but my blind faith was rewarded. BINGO!!
> > Gough and Davy do visa orders over the phone Tel. [phone]
> > Fax [phone]
> > Their address is 13-14 Saville Street, Hull HU1 3EH
> > If that fails just find your nearest big music store and ask away. The only
> > problem is there are eight sizes!!?? Tiny, X-small, Med. small, Med., Large,
> > X-L, XX-L,
> > I chose Medium.
> > Hope all this helps.
> >
> > Slainte
> >
> > John B.
> >
> > Paul Gretton wrote in message <[e-mail]>...
> > >JOHN BROADWELL wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Hi Bill,
> > >>
> > >> Doc's Proplugs, inc. C/O International Aquatic Trades inc.719 Swift St,
> > >> Suite 100,
> > >> Santa Cruz, CA 95060 USA 1-[phone] 1-[phone] Fax
> > >> 1-[phone] Toll Free Fax [phone] Email :
> > >> [e-mail]
> > >> web: www.proplugs.com
> > >>
> > >> If all this fails, then let me know and I will try and get you a set here
> > in
> > >> England.
> > >>
> > >> Slainte
> > >>
> > >> john B.
> > >>
> > >
> > >John, can you also give us details of how to get them in the UK?
> > >
> > >Cheers,
> > >
> > >Paul Gretton
> > >
> > >*****Present mirth hath present laughter.(Twelfth Night)*****
>
> --
> Regards,
> Rick
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> -----------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 23:08:45 -0800
From: Mike Le Boeuf <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Drunken Piper

Does anyone have this music in JPG, TIF or BMP format?

Mike

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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 08:01:13 +0000
From: Bob Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Chanter Reed sought for Shepherd SSPs (D)

Phone or e-mail Shepherd, they may not be listed on the web site but I just
replaced my daughters.

Bob

Bduty wrote:

> Does anyone know where I can find Chanter Reeds for my Shepherd SSPs  in D?
> I have looked on the internet everywhere I could and even the Shepherd website,
> but to no avail.  Surely someone makes these?
> Thanks in advance,
> Bruce


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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 08:05:37 +0000
From: Bob Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: canmore bag problems

Cork the stocks, blow up the bag and check it in a bath of water for air leaks, one
of our members said his was like a seive, it was rather old and they dont last
forever.
Bob

Adoyle33 wrote:

> just got a set of 70 hardies. all joints seem to be airtight . the problem is i
> can't seem to keep the canmore bag inflated enough to even get the chanter to
> fire. i'm really kinda pissed . any help out there


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