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bagpipe-digest       Tuesday, December 21 1999       Volume 01 : Number 231




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Date: 21 Dec 1999 03:24:08 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Shaving/scraping/sanding reeds

>By retonguing do you mean making a new popsicle stick for a plastic body?

I don't work on Ross reeds, but I replace tongues on Wygents and EZs.  I use a
different material, different thickness, and slightly different bending
technique.

If I wanted to start experimenting with making chanter reeds, where's a good
place to start?  What books, supplies, etc would you recommend?  And where do
you get the cane?

Zu

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Date: 21 Dec 1999 03:41:42 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Johnny comes marching home

>Zu, where in the tune "dixie" do you break the phrase across the octave?  It
>doesn't fit nice and neat within the nine notes of the GHB scale.

No, it doesn't fit nice and neat, but it's recognizable as being Dixie.  I
didn't have any "real" (ie conventional) music with me when I did this setting,
and I'm not quite sure where the octave break that you're talking about is.
Probably the second part.  And I think I handled the octave thing by changing
keys and dropping down a third or something.

I set the first part of the tune in A, and the second part in D.  The first
part sounds better than the second part.

I can fax my setting to you or snail mail it if you give me your fax or
address....

Zu

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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 18:04:04 -0800
From: Mike Le Boeuf <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Mrs. MacDonald of Dunach

Mike Le Boeuf wrote:
>
> Does anyone have this tune in JPG format?
> Thanks,
> Mike
Thanks everyone!!
This adds another 2/4 to my memory

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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 17:56:55 -0800
From: "Jeff Ramsden (MacLe≥id)" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Drone Reed Problem

<[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:83mk8t$qke$[e-mail]...
> In article <[e-mail]>,
>   [e-mail] (Zudupiper) wrote:

> > years, and I've never found a flapper valve or a Lil Mac or anything
> on the end
> > of my blowpipe.  I use my tongue like MacCrimmon did and God
> intended.
> > Valuable skills have been lost because people have learned to take
> shortcuts.

Uh oh.  Excuse the silly newbie here (me) interjecting, but are
blowpipe flapper valves not traditional?  I've only used my
tongue when the valve is starting to go, and I'm in too much a
hurry (or lazy) to replace it.

Traditionally, pipers used their tongues to block the air flow?
Or is this just rubbish?

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Date: 21 Dec 1999 03:31:32 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone

>The three scores are quite independent of each other.

As I realized after I took a closer look at them.

>In several cases
>the "Overall Favourites" mark doesn't match up at all with the two tuning
>marks. I find this rather interesting.

Yeah, in about 4 or 5 cases there's just a weird overall result.  In a couple
of cases I would have expected a much higher overall based on the individual
chanter and drone marks, and in a couple of cases the reverse is true.

Somebody who knows a lot about statistics could probably explain it for us.

But generally, there was a good amount of internal consistency, like you said.

Still wondering how many people voted...

Zu

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Date: 20 Dec 1999 23:50:26 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Bagpiip)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone

> I would be curious to know how may people voted for their own
>selection(s).

I'm very interested in that too!

>or would we have enough votes
>then to form a quorum?

Yes, how many voted?

>When are you planning to release names, c/w bio's?

???


> I think the group owes you a thanx for the
>pleasant diversion from the mundane; so "thanx for the effort".

And don't forget a thanx to John also,for thinking of it in the first place!
Bill
Mar a bha, mar a tha,
mar a bhitheas gu brath,
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Date: 21 Dec 1999 03:45:11 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Y2K/Earth Quaich

>Below is the tune list for the Y2K/Earth Quaich Competition:
>(Competitors to submit 9 tunes)
>

I laughed my ass off.  And I don't say that lightly.

Zu

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Date: 21 Dec 1999 03:52:08 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Leather Blowpipe Valve

>I recently bought a leather valve, but it doesn't have any
>instructions, and I realize that I don't know what to do with it.
>Specifically, which side do I cut (smooth or rough) and how far through
>the leather do I cut?

The smooth side of the flapper goes against the blowpipe.  When I used leather
flappers, I don't think I had to cut them.

You can put a little vaseline on the end of the blowpipe, where the flapper
seals, to help it seal the first few times.

Are you mounting this flapper directly onto the blowpipe (the tail would be
wrapped under the hemp), or the other way (on a flange or staple)?  Cutting is
less critical if you mount it the other way.

Good luck,

Zu

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Date: 21 Dec 1999 04:02:55 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone

> I would be curious to know how may people voted for their own
>selection(s).

I gave myself what I though were honest marks on chanter and drones, compared
to the other entries.  I picked 10 places for overall, and I put one of my
entries near the bottom of the 10 (the other one didn't make it to the top 10).
 There were a lot better entries than mine.

That's not to say it wouldn't be possible to rig the voting somehow (say you
got all your friends to send in votes for your entry or something.

> I thought it would mean more to have me
>NOT vote, since I was a participant.

My votes for other than overall didn't mean much.  I didn't give any marks for
any drones, since I couldn't really hear them, and I gave chanter marks of
mostly 4 and 3 (with a few 5's and a 2).

I think you should have voted, since part of the fun (whether you're a
participant or not) is to see how many of the top 10 you picked.

One other thing this experiment did was to let me play judge for a few minutes.
 It's damn hard work!  Probably harder than listening in person, because there
are so many variables involved here (recording setup, etc etc etc).

> And one
>last thing Chris (and Bob), I think the group owes you a thanx for the
>pleasant diversion from the mundane; so "thanx for the effort".

I second that!

Zu

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Date: 21 Dec 1999 04:10:02 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Trend tapering off soon????

>If a trend is what brought them, they will most certainly leave
>on the next band wagon.

Things do run in trends.  Scottish and Celtic stuff was really popular the past
couple of years.  These days the trend is to other kinds of music.

I was talking to a booking agent who I pipe for occasionally, and he was
telling me the same thing.  He's getting calls for new kinds of music, and less
calls for "traditional" music.  Lots of standing gigs have gone away or changed
to other instruments.

In 1998 I did about 45 performances, and several kilted weddings (not just
groom, but all the guys in the wedding party).  In 1999 I did about 30
performances, and no kilted weddings.  Piping was busy in '97, really busy in
'98, but a little less so in '99. People's tastes in music are changing.

Zu

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Date: 21 Dec 1999 04:28:10 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Drone Reed Problem

>I guess what I'm saying is.
>The TONE you achieve with cane outweighs the ease and Tone of the
>synthetics.
>
>This is especially important in the higher levels of piping, a place
>you're not familiar with.

Are you playing cane in Open?

I don't know a huge number of grade 1 pipers, but those I know, are playing
synthetics in competition.  The couple of Open pipers I know play both,
depending on the event.

>I'm sure It's not impossible to get synth to sound great, but
>It sure Isn't easy, beginners certainly wont be able to do It, alot of
>pro's wont be able to do It.

>So why bother when you can great tone with
>much less effort from cane.

At first I thought synthetic reeds were a pain in the ass and very hard to
adjust, compared to cane.  As I learned more about them, I realized how
flexible they are.  A lot more so than cane.  most people don't take advantage
of that flexibility, though.

You don't like the sound?  Change the bridle.  Re-set the tongue.  Change the
tongue if you want to.  make the new tongue a slightly different shape than it
was before.  Use different colors.

You don't like the sound of a cane reed?  You don't have those options.  You're
pretty much limited.  Do a few things to it, and if that doesn't work.... Pick
another one out of the box.

We're not going to agree on this one.

Zu.

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Date: 21 Dec 1999 04:30:07 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Zudupiper)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Johnny comes marching home

>You should have done RevWar!  Lots of pipers in that war.

Wicked expensive kit.

Zu

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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 22:09:24 -0700
From: sdon <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Looking for "Space Piper" poster

Hey, when you find one, let me know I want one too.

Thanks,

Don

[e-mail] wrote:

> I am looking for a poster of the painting "Space Piper" by Dave Scott
> that was on the cover of the "Space Piper" CD by Rare Air.
>
> In case you haven't seen it, it has a person in a space suit playing a
> bagpipe on a pocketed asteroid.
>
> I have already asked Green Linnet and they said they don't have one.
>
> Any pointers would be very appreciated.
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.

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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 23:31:16 -0500
From: "Maeve" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Cane versus synthetics!!!!

JOHN BROADWELL <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
> Not at all sure about what your saying here Maeve, the old cane reeds *we*
> put in Angus were PROPERLY set up, that's if you remember?? I used a
certain
> little trick to minimise the amount of air they took, the evidence of the
> trick should still be visually apparent on those old canes!!

Not by the time I got HOME they weren't! Remember what happened to my drone
stocks on the way over???? Seems this FL weather is not close enough to YOUR
weather to keep Angus, me or the reeds happy!! :) :) I'm smiling as I say
that, Hon!!! :) :) :) :) I'll have to take a look at the OLD cane reeds
tomorrow and see what it was that we did to them . . . . . It was the NEW
cane reeds that you gave to me that I have in Angus now. They were playing
beautifully after I set them up but before I re-did them. Does that make
sense? Shoot  . . . I'm losing control over this now . . .I have 6 sets of
cane, two sets of Wygents and I just got a set of Kilberry's today. . . .
SOMEBODY STOP ME!!!! (apologies to Jim Carey). So I hope this helps that
super-charged male ego problem that you have going on :) :) :) :) :)

> what to expect from you after that, and no, it's no good using your
womanly
> wiles on me, I can be doggedly indifferent to all that when I have pipes
on
> my shoulder, though I must admit, it's a very pretty thought :-)

Don't I know THAT!!!!!!!!! These baby-blues can open MANY doors . . . but
not in the piping world! I gave that up a long time ago!!! But, then, I
completely understand . .. when Angus is around, there is no other that can
turn my head either :)
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> Slainte
>
> John B.
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> "Everything I do and say with anyone, makes a difference"
> Gita Bellin
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> >Love and Light be with you,
> >Maeve . . . in sunny Florida
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Date: 21 Dec 1999 05:13:42 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Jginmd)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Shaving/scraping/sanding reeds

>If I wanted to start experimenting with making chanter reeds, where's a good
>place to start?  What books, supplies, etc would you recommend?  And where do
>you get the cane?
>
>Zu

I don't know of any source for information other than a paper by Gordon
Speir's:

http://members.aol.com/spegler919/speirs.htm

for the how to. You have to make all of your own tools. You can get cane from
Madir in Spain Tel-(97)2314339-318119 (they have one guy who speaks very little
English) or Silvacane in Carquieranne, France Tel-(33)0494585009. They speak no
English.
JGS

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Date: 21 Dec 1999 05:16:24 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Jginmd)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Shaving/scraping/sanding reeds

>Jginmd wrote:
>
>> >It seems too me that with
>> >all the fixing, adjusting, and tweaking we do...we might as well make the
>> >reed
>> >ourself from square one.
>>
>> snip.
>>  My reeds suck shit from a pigs ass but they are improving and every once
>in a
>> while I make a good one. When I do, I play it.  Instead of a store reed.
>> JGS
>
>ummm- I don't think I'd like to play any of yours, given the description of
>their
>pre-testing procedy ures- or was that your manufacturing secret process?

Just an honest description of their TONE.
JGS

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Date: 21 Dec 1999 05:39:25 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Ccc31807)
Subject: (bagpipe) experimentation - drone reeds

I'm wondering. Has anyone tried replacing the tongue on a Henderson or Wygent
or similar reed with a cane tongue? Perhaps split from a clarinet or saxephone
reed?

If so, what were the results?

And, is there anything inherent in the idea that renders it unworkable in the
conception?

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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 22:21:25 -0700
From: sdon <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Chanter Question

You haven't hurt it, just let it sit and it will come back to normal. Oiling
the chanter can be a good thing.  Wood chanters can go flat if they dry out to
much. I have taken many an older chanter that the piper didn't like anymore
because it was flat and returned to a nice pitch by oiling them over a couple
of months. It works like a charm. I picked up a nice Sinclair this way very
cheaply and sure enough with a little oil and some tlc it sounds fantastic now.

Don

Don Robertson wrote:

> Hi Smitty, you may have changed the bore and finger holes slightly. If you
> haven't dried out the oil as completely as possible do so. I would guess
> however you have done that. Next , don't try to wash the chanter this can
> only make things worse. Try running a swab through the reed seat hole and
> use a Qtip to clean the "rims" of the finger holes. Then, don't panic. I
> doubt you have damaged it, you  might  just need to let the chanter sit out
> a bit. If it really sounds bad try a new reed and re-tune with him. The
> thing about chanters is they change seasonally anyway.
> Cheers
> Don
>
> smitty wrote:
>
> > I May have just completely F'd up...While oiling my drones for the first
> > time in two years, I decided, in my frenzy, to lightly oil my new
> > blackwood chanter(which I bought to match my playing partner). We DID
> > sound the same ...now what? Am I screwed? I haven't had the guts to play
> > tandem with him yet, putting off the horror...Please advise with
> > possible help from past experiences.
> > Thank you, Smitty

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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 22:20:09 -0700
From: sdon <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Chanter Question

You haven't hurt it, just let it sit and it will come back to normal. Oiling
the chanter can be a good thing.  Wood chanters can go flat if they dry out to
much. I have taken many an older chanter that the piper didn't like anymore
because it was flat and returned to a nice pitch by oiling them over a couple
of months. It works like a charm. I picked up a nice Sinclair this way very
cheaply and sure enough with a little oil and some tlc it sounds fantastic now.

Don

Don Robertson wrote:

> Hi Smitty, you may have changed the bore and finger holes slightly. If you
> haven't dried out the oil as completely as possible do so. I would guess
> however you have done that. Next , don't try to wash the chanter this can
> only make things worse. Try running a swab through the reed seat hole and
> use a Qtip to clean the "rims" of the finger holes. Then, don't panic. I
> doubt you have damaged it, you  might  just need to let the chanter sit out
> a bit. If it really sounds bad try a new reed and re-tune with him. The
> thing about chanters is they change seasonally anyway.
> Cheers
> Don
>
> smitty wrote:
>
> > I May have just completely F'd up...While oiling my drones for the first
> > time in two years, I decided, in my frenzy, to lightly oil my new
> > blackwood chanter(which I bought to match my playing partner). We DID
> > sound the same ...now what? Am I screwed? I haven't had the guts to play
> > tandem with him yet, putting off the horror...Please advise with
> > possible help from past experiences.
> > Thank you, Smitty

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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 03:57:44 -0500
From: "Ewan A. Macpherson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Y2K/Earth Quaich

Brian Counihan wrote:

> And to celebrate this momentous occasion, the powers that be (the
> Piobaireachd-type Music Society [PMS], the Council of Really Arrogant
> Pipers [CRAP], the Society for the Prevention of Interesting Tunes
> [SPIT],

C'mon, man. You left out the Bagpipe Acoustics Research Foundation!

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Date: 21 Dec 1999 05:32:28 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Ccc31807)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone

I didn't vote.

This doesn't mean that the exercise was worthless. I've spent hours listening
and comparing and learning. In fact, I think this is the best opportunity for
learning outside of a dedicated listening session at a competition, and here
you can listen over and over again, and presumably will find out about the
different set-ups. You can do neither at a competition.

I didn't vote because I did not feel that I was qualified to judge on any
objective basis, and my opinion as to what I liked and didn't like was of no
use to anyone, including myself. On the other hand, I am beginning to spend
some time with the first round of voting results, and expect these results to
add to the value of this exercise.

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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 08:56:11 -0500
From: Bentley Wall <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) North Coast Pipe Band new CD release

I posted this at the request of the PM.  Sorry about the blatant
sales pitch...

Bentley Wall

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The North Coast Pipe Band has released a new CD, "The New Crossroads".
This CD is the group's second and best recording effort to date.

The CD includes the band's competition selections which include a live
recording of the group at the 1998 Pleasanton, California Games.

Also included are tracks such as "Highland Cathedral" and "Song for
Mary" which were recorded using highland pipes, drum set, bass guitar,
and keyboard. Also included are "Scotland the Brave" and "Wings" as well

as "Amazing Grace" which were recorded with the Edinboro University
(Pennsylvania) Symphonic Band.

The recording includes Gaelic singing as well as a song/pipe arrangement

of "My Heart Will Go On", the theme from the movie "Titanic".

CD's are $15 each. Shipping is $2.00 for the 1st CD plus $1 for each
additional CD ordered. Cassettes will be available sometime in February.

To order, contact me at [e-mail]
<mailto:[e-mail]>  or go to our website where there is
an order form at www.conwaygreene.org <http://www.conwaygreene.org> .

Thanks

Barry Conway
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Date: 21 Dec 1999 14:09:20 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Bagpiip)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone

>Bob tells me that only 6 voting sheets were received -
>and I know that three of them were from participants -

Well that certainly does taint the results!

My reasons for not voting were:

>2. people didn't feel they were up to "judging".

ie: Qualified. I know which ones I preferred, but not the specific reasons why.

>5. people thought there were too many variables involved, ie. the quality of
>the recordings, to be able to make a fair assessment.


Bill
Mar a bha, mar a tha,
mar a bhitheas gu brath,
ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh.


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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:09:45 -0500
From: Chris Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone

On Tue, 21 Dec 1999 12:10:46 -0000, "Christopher Eyre"
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> I don't know what the reason for the low turnout was. It could have
>been any one of several, as far as I can see:
>
>1.  people were not interested enough.
>2. people didn't feel they were up to "judging".
>3. people didn't have the time. (It did require a fair bit of careful
>listening to do it properly).

I was just too busy to listen to all the files over again carefully.

Thanks for doing this, Chris - it was fun!!!

Chris
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City of Washington Pipe Band
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:12:50 GMT
From: Brian Counihan <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Y2K/Earth Quaich

In article <[e-mail]>,
  "JOHN BROADWELL" <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Brian, what a treasure you are, all of this is wonderful and very
> imaginative, I have not laughed so much in ages, well done, I shan't
even
> attempt to add one more to the list, it is complete in itself!! What a
> masterpiece!! Brilliant ROTFLOL!!!
>
> Slainte
>
> John B.
>
> Brian Counihan wrote in message <83m09r$c90$[e-mail]>...
> >Received this through email with a notable who's who in the receiver
> >list.
> >
> >Enjoy!
> >


  Unfortunately as I had pointed out in the beginning, I received this
from someone else who had received it from a notable world class piper.
In all honesty I cannot take any credit for this brilliant parody of the
piping world. It just serves to point out the humor the "upper echelons"
still retains. I was just happy to pass it on!

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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 08:27:15 -0600
From: John Richardson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Scots put their Dirks in their Socks

On Sun, 19 Dec 1999 23:44:31 +0100, "Leslie Thomson"
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=222189215
>
>What do you think of this??
>
>Dirk? in your Sock??
>Ebony?
>Leather??
>Silver???

Lets get terminology correct.  This is a Skein Bubh (there are many
correct spellings), or "Black Knife", a Scots last means of defense.
A dirk is a short sword worn on the hand that the Targe (shield) was
held with.  Decorated Skein Bubhs can sell, because of the art work
for $20-150.  Dirks, on the other hand run $50-80to700-1000.  Just a
note.

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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 11:38:50 -0500
From: Bob Cameron <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Scots put their Dirks in their Socks

I know I could never outrun a man whose legs were long enough to wear a
dirk in his sock

I've seen identical sgian dubhs with molded plastic handles.

John Richardson wrote:

> On Sun, 19 Dec 1999 23:44:31 +0100, "Leslie Thomson"
> <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=222189215
> >
> >What do you think of this??
> >
> >Dirk? in your Sock??
> >Ebony?
> >Leather??
> >Silver???
>
> Lets get terminology correct.  This is a Skein Bubh (there are many
> correct spellings), or "Black Knife", a Scots last means of defense.
> A dirk is a short sword worn on the hand that the Targe (shield) was
> held with.  Decorated Skein Bubhs can sell, because of the art work
> for $20-150.  Dirks, on the other hand run $50-80to700-1000.  Just a
> note.


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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:22:20 GMT
From: aberdeen <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone

The tone experiment gave me a much greater respect for what the judges
do.
 After all, we could listen to very short selections and listen to them
over and over; unlike the judges who have one shot at it.
 We were just listening for tone, and overall sound.  Judges must also
listen for things like fingering, timing, expression, correct setting,
etc.
 And I for one still found it to be pretty difficult.
 I do understand now why judges often don't try to assign ordinal scores
to all the competitors in a contest, but instead ofter will give the top
4, then effectively say "all the rest were tied for 5th".  I didn't have
that much trouble (relatively) choosing my favorite 5, but beyond that,
it became very, very difficult for me to rate them.
 There are some judges in the newsgroup; hopefully they voted. I'd be
very interested to hear their thoughts.  Wasn't Peter Anderson trying to
get feedback from a judge on the samples provided?

Big thanks to Bob and Chris for their efforts in putting this together.

All the best,
Jim Hudgins


In article <[e-mail]>,
  [e-mail] (Ccc31807) wrote:
> I didn't vote.
>
> This doesn't mean that the exercise was worthless. I've spent hours
listening
> and comparing and learning. In fact, I think this is the best
opportunity for
> learning outside of a dedicated listening session at a competition,
and here
> you can listen over and over again, and presumably will find out about
the
> different set-ups. You can do neither at a competition.
>
> I didn't vote because I did not feel that I was qualified to judge on
any
> objective basis, and my opinion as to what I liked and didn't like was
of no
> use to anyone, including myself. On the other hand, I am beginning to
spend
> some time with the first round of voting results, and expect these
results to
> add to the value of this exercise.
>

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Aberdeen Bagpipe Supply
<http://www.AberdeenBagpipe.com>


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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 11:50:33 -0500
From: Doug Campbell <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone

Christopher Eyre wrote:

> Bob tells me that only 6 voting sheets were received -
> and I know that three of them were from participants - one of them being
> mine. I don't know what the reason for the low turnout was. It could have
> been any one of several, as far as I can see:
>
> 1.  people were not interested enough.
> 2. people didn't feel they were up to "judging".
> 3. people didn't have the time. (It did require a fair bit of careful
> listening to do it properly).

I didn't participate because my only access to this group is at work (internet
+ home = wasted life).  I jump in and out based on who is walking by my desk at
the moment...and there is no discreet way to sit here listening to bagpipe
samples!  But thanks to all who did work & help out.

Doug C.

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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:06:12 -0800
From: Ccc31807 <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Bore Diameter of Drones

Surely there is a formula that describes the relationship betweem the
diameter of the bore and the pitch of the drone. Anyone know what it is?

I'm certain that there are some of us who can play with the numbers and
see the function of pitch vs. diameter.

(Number: that which makes you numb. (6th grade math joke.))


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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:32:49 GMT
From: oshpiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Drone Reed Problem

In article <385d1faa_4@127.0.0.1>,
  "JOHN MITCHELL" <[e-mail]> wrote:
> I see your still being the group idiot!

I bow to thee, oh noble leader of the group idiots.  I pale in
comparison to thee.

Pat


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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 16:32:59 GMT
From: Brian Counihan <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Trend tapering off soon????

In article <83mgh2$9hdi$[e-mail]>,
  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> I think you are missing something.  The commitment required to play
this or any other instrument well should weed out the weaklings a lot
>faster than any trend.  If a trend is what brought them, they will most
> certainly leave on the next band wagon.  And thank god.  People like
>that give bagpipes a bad name.


  Probably for every 10 PC's sold, 6 end up in the bottom of a drawer
somewhere. Just like all those poor, unfortunate, uninformed people who
are duped into buying Paki Crapi off of ebay think they're going to be
the next McCrimmon. But, once they make the purchase they find out how
truly demanding it is to master the pipes. It also doesn't take long to
figure out 0in your new crop of students, who has potential and who is
never going to really be anything better than a parade hack. This
instrument is definately Darwinian in nature!

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