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bagpipe-digest Monday, December 20 1999 Volume 01 : Number 230
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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 16:21:35 -0500
From: "Maeve" <terride@sanctum.com>
Subject: (bagpipe) The beating continues . ..
Here is a response to the BEGINNING of the barrage of e-mails . . . he
doesn't know what's coming yet :) :) Thought some of the rest of you would
like to take credit for this abuse :) :) :)
My drummer friend sez:
"Did you make this up yourself or is there other
intolerant, unreasonable ,unable to recognize
talent, people in the world?"
So you know the personality type I am dealing with here . . KEEP EM
COMING!!!!
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Love and Light be with you,
Maeve . . . in sunny Florida
http://people.delphi.com/terralyn
terride@sanctum.com
"Moderation is a fatal thing. Nothing succeeds like excess."
--- Oscar Wilde
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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 14:21:00 -0800
From: Don Robertson <piper@pacwest.net>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Scots put their Dirks in their Socks
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Man, a person could sure do better than $31.00US for this thing
Leslie Thomson wrote:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=222189215
>
> What do you think of this??
>
> Dirk? in your Sock??
> Ebony?
> Leather??
> Silver???
>
> --
> Leslie
> The Gaucho Piper
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Man, a person could sure do better than $31.00US for this thing
<p>Leslie Thomson wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=222189215">http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=222189215</a>
<p>What do you think of this??
<p>Dirk? in your Sock??
<br>Ebony?
<br>Leather??
<br>Silver???
<p>--
<br>Leslie
<br>The Gaucho Piper</blockquote>
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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 22:02:27 GMT
From: "Tim Sullivan" <shenachi@flash.net>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The beating continues . ..
Maeve -
My favorite drummer-bash by far. Invite them to gather off in a corner
somewhere - out of the way of real musicians, and practice their *NOTE* .
Seems to work real well . . .
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Date: 20 Dec 1999 21:40:43 GMT
From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Scots put their Dirks in their Socks
>What do you think of this??
>
>Dirk? in your Sock??
>Ebony?
>Leather??
>Silver???
I tried to bid 10 cents, but it was below the minimum bid.
Bill
Mar a bha, mar a tha,
mar a bhitheas gu brath,
ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh.
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Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 16:30:14 -0500
From: Bob Cameron <bcameron@mail.berklee.edu>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Gaelic Piping in North America
There was a pipemaker here in Boston around WWII- I'll have a peek in my
notes to see If I can dig up the name. FWIW, there is a large contigent of
Cape Bretoners and/or their descendants in the Boston area.
gasdocstu@my-deja.com wrote:
> In article <81bnge$2n0$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> bill@andrews.sapc.edu wrote:
> >
> >
> > Speaking from North Carolina here, the largest Highland settlement in
> > North America up until the middle 19th century, I know of no
> pipemakers
> > in this part of the world. We do have accounts of pipers, but despite
> > some extensive research I have been able to locate no surving
> > instruments or records of pipers in this area after about 1840 or so.
>
> That fits with what I've heard/read. I guess I should have phrased it
> differently; there were supposedly some pipemakers who moved to the
> Maritime provinces of Canada, chiefly Nova Scotia. I haven't heard of
> any in the 18th or 19th century in the US/colonies which became the US.
>
> I have written to Hugh Cheape, Curator of the Scottish Modern
> Collections at the National Museum of Scotland. One of his areas of
> particular interest is pipemaking, so he might be able to shed some
> light on pipemakers in Alba Nua. (Forgive my Irish spellings; my Scots
> Gaelic is rather poor. Perhaps I should just add a few dh and mh's and
> it'll look more Scottish! :)
>
> Stuart
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
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Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 05:05:43 GMT
From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: No such thing as "Natural Talent"
On Wed, 15 Sep 1999 14:27:17 -0700, "Todd" <rtmuscat@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:
>madman <nospam@idt.net> wrote in message news:37E003C1.7688@idt.net...
>
>> Ol' Ludwig was busy ushering in a completely new style(romanticism).
>> He only slaved over every note because he was doing something new,as
>
>So, you concede that he had 'slaved'!
Nobody concedes that anyone with talent slaved. It's not even part of
the discussion. People who eat shit. All that work is the shit part,
but it's the natural result of being driven to eat.
What you're trying to say is the whole matter of talent comes down to
being able to eat, live, and shit something out the other end. The
point of life is neither eating nor shitting, it's what you do with
the mobility those two provide you with, and that comes down to you.
So what makes you, you? You do. Not some educator telling you you can
do anything you want.
Royce
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Date: 20 Dec 1999 23:18:03 GMT
From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Scots put their Dirks in their Socks
>Man, a person could sure do better than $31.00US for this thing
>
Yeah if your a sucker! I'm going by the words "maybe Ebony" and 20 Karat topaz
"COLORED" cairngorn stone. I'm surprised it didn't say "leather like sheath"...
With words like "maybe" and "colored" it appears someone is setting themselves
up for another Ebay rip-off.
Bill
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mar a bhitheas gu brath,
ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh.
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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 18:27:43 -0500
From: Doug Campbell <dougc@maine.rr.com>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Unsuccessful bands (was P/M Steps Down)
I don't understand your criteria. I would have said the first four sound
pretty good, but #5 (your pick) sounds like organizational jargon. You could
be describing the Taliban or the Bad News Bears. In any case, simply working
with unity of purpose doesn't guarantee musical results (one would think that
would be a critical element in a definition of musical "success"), and even if
it did, "unity of purpose" is pretty subjective stuff. On precisely which
points does everybody in the band need to agree? Which brings me to:
Your statement that "true music cannot be produced in an atmosphere of
bickering and fighting" is dogmatic and untrue. First, one wonders what you
are thinking of when you refer to "true" music, particularly in light of your
recent post where you said that if you had your way, nothing but piobaireachd
would ever be played on the GHB. That aside, I think it's pretty common
knowledge that many of the most "successful" (read "musical") bands and
collaborators in history are notorious for having not gotten along personally.
Often it's exactly that tension that provides the musical edge that makes the
work unique.
Doug C.
Ccc31807 wrote:
> "Sucess" as in "sucessful band."
>
> 1. An awarding winning, gold medal band.
> 2. A popular, sought after, performing band.
> 3. A band composed of people who enjoy making music together, and who
> make music well even though not of an especially high caliber.
> 4. A band turning students into competant pipers.
> 5. A community of people who have made common cause for a commone
> purpose, and are working with unity of purpose to achieve that end
> (notice I said nothing about piping.)
>
> For my money, the only sucessful band is 5.
>
> I have enjoyed reading the various threads and posts on the Minnesota
> bands, even though I am not sure what is fiction and what is fact. As
> far as I am concerned, it's all fiction with only the barest connection
> with reality, and has been presented soly as entertainment. But the
> particular band, even if it were the Grade 1 champion for the past ten
> years running, would NOT be a sucessful band in my book, because the
> making of music must be paramount, and true music cannot be produced in
> an atmosphere of bickering and fighting as has been described.
>
> A wealthy man is not a man with a lot of money. A wealthy man is a man
> who has enough to supply all his wants. In the same way, a sucessful
> band is not a band with a lot of medals. A sucessful band is a band
> that makes music for its members.
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- -- Mignon McLaughlin
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Date: 20 Dec 1999 23:36:52 GMT
From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Unsuccessful bands (was P/M Steps Down)
>On precisely which
>points does everybody in the band need to agree?
Ummm ask him how many bands he's belonged to???? (hint: zero!)
Bill
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Date: 20 Dec 1999 23:05:30 GMT
From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Musicians ear plugs!!
>Just bought a set of Doc's Proplugs,
>Thought you may all be interested, and if they save someone's hearing out
>there, then goodo!!
Well don't keep us in suspense, where can we get these????
This very problem has been on my mind since our New England weather has forced
us indoors.
Bill
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Date: 20 Dec 1999 23:41:58 GMT
From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Musicians ear plugs!!
>Hi Bill,
>
>Doc's Proplugs, inc. C/O International Aquatic Trades inc.719 Swift St,
>Suite 100,
Thanks John!
Bill
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Date: 20 Dec 1999 23:12:16 GMT
From: bagpiip@aol.com (Bagpiip)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: HELP?? Email privacy??
>Sorry to have to ask the NG this but I am in urgent need of help to keep
>prying eyes of my daughters off my private emails.
Ok you all owe me BIG TIME for this one!
I use a free trial of a prog called "Magic Folders" from "CNET.com". You can
chose any folders on your PC, and hide them with a password. Or there's an
encryted version too, although I don't know why. It's effective, and the "free
trial nag" is minimal.
Go here to get it-->
http://download.cnet.com/downloads/0-10105-100-904490.html?tag=st.cn.sr.dl.1
Bill
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Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 04:27:54 GMT
From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: No such thing as "Natural Talent"
On Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:01:37 -0700, "Todd" <rtmuscat@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:
>Royce,
>
>I'm no liberal (if that is what you're implying)! To the contrary:
>everyone is NOT equal -- no way!
No, what I'm implying is that by denying any intrinsic, or uniquely
"you" in the process you tend to fall into the philosophy that the
entire society can be engineered by a central planning committee. If
it really is just a question of training and education, you can simply
beat people into doing the "work" part and make a world full of
genius/artists. That obviously doesn't work.
>I clearly point out in my post *where*
>the inequality lies.
Sure what you propose sounds good to your idiot daughter when you want
to encourage her to keep practicingn through the boring hard part, nd
on that level it all works. At the end of the day however, some other
little smartass who works half as hard (If at all) will self-teach
himself to play her into the ground. That's why I think this sort of
prattle extended over too many years or too literally or too
vehemently really amounts to bullshitting yourself and your victim
into expectations that are only going to be personally damaging.
Royce
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Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 23:37:21 GMT
From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Setting The Tone
On Mon, 22 Nov 1999 08:04:46 -0800, "Todd" <rtmuscat@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:
A load of overeducated shite that I'm sure he felt did him some good,
but doesn't deny the fact that it's totally irrelevant to what I've
said, which is quite simple, and that's just that you can't tell
anything about the balance between the drones and the chanter in this
business, and you can do what Todd suggests, and just believe in an EQ
fairie that has magically made your system compatable with the entire
recording chain, or if you think the drones are really thin you can
bend the low end up a hair and see just how big a difference a few db
of boost do down there.
The crap about the overlapping harmonics is true, but then so are
billions of other interesting facts that have no more bearing on my
very simple statement than that either.
Royce
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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:52:28 -0700
From: "Todd" <rtmuscat@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: No such thing as "Natural Talent"
Royce Lerwick <pmlerwick@wavetech.net> wrote in message
news:37e06f12.4378514@news.mn.mediaone.net...
>
> Stop resorting to bizarre extremes. It's about normality. Normal
> people don't normally do anything particularly noteworthy, including
> play bagpipes or anything else in exceptional ways. If they did,
> they'd be exceptional, not normal. Normal people will remain normal
> regardless or the amount of work they do or regardless of their
> motivation. They will simply produce more normal output, in a highly
> motivated fashion.
Huh?
> Albert Einstein was just frigging smarter than you. Face it.
Easily. That's been my point all along: Intelligence matters, NOT some
innate ability to impress the teacher by wagging finfgers. Because after the
first several years, the fact that someone learned their doublings faster
than someone else doesn't mean diddly squat! What matters is the dedication
and that must come to go the extra mile.
Cheers
Todd
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Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 23:28:05 GMT
From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Shuttles & Guitar
On Mon, 22 Nov 1999 12:56:18 -0500, "Robbie" <robwith@uoguelf.ca>
wrote:
>I am looking for tunes that sound good with a shuttlepipe-acoustic guitar
>arrangement. My standard GHB tunes don't seem to cut it. Any suggestions and
>pointers to song books would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Robbie
>--
>change 'f' to 'ph' to reply by e-mail
Somebody either needs to learn how to play the guitar, or the pipes,
or both.
Royce
(For the logically impaired who would otherwise be incapable of
deducing my direct answer: every tune written for the pipes sounds
good with guitar.)
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Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 13:42:38 -0800
From: Ccc31807 <ccc31807@aol.com>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Score & Lyric Search
There was a thread several weeks ago on Farwell to the Creeks, along
with URLs to sites containing the lyrics, at least two as I remember.
Try a DeJa power search for it.
As to the other, I can't help. Sorry.
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Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 04:32:42 GMT
From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: No such thing as "Natural Talent"
On Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:10:47 -0400, Chris Hamilton
<ToneCzar@erols.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:28:35 -0400, Bentley Wall <bxw11@po.cwru.edu>
>wrote:
>
>>Todd, In your previous post you mentioned that you took objection to my saying
>>one of my piping students excelled depsite the fact that he has no natural
>>talent for pipes. You say, with many examples, that there is no such thing as
>>natural talent.
>>
>>I disagree.
>>
>>There is such a thing as natural talent, and for being naturally poised for
>>excellence in advance of learning.
>
>I agree with Bentley. I've seen some players with incredible talent,
>and they get better and better without a lot of guidance, while others
>struggle endlessly despite weekly lessons.
I don't know how anyone can say they've been in education or music or
any other area of expertise for any amount of time and not see this
phenomenon over and over and over. The professional educator in these
cases however, is all too eager to dismiss naturaly talent or personal
intuition, in both an ego-centric attempt to credit themselved with
some sort of "direction" that made it all work for that
individual--because *every* individual has to be the product of the
system or the whole system comes into question, and on the other hand,
engages in gatekeeping and holding those individuals back, to prove to
the mundanes that there's nothing special about these geniuses that
can't be equalled with a little "hard work," and of course, the
godlike mentoring and molding of the "system."
Royce
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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:47:35 -0800
From: Ccc31807 <ccc31807@aol.com>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Johnny comes marching home
In article <385E53D4.598CB16F@mail.berklee.edu>, Bob Cameron
<bcameron@mail.berklee.edu> wrote:
> Zu, where in the tune "dixie" do you break the phrase across the
> octave? It
> doesn't fit nice and neat within the nine notes of the GHB scale.
When I play it, I transpose it down a third where it needs it. Octave
breaks mostly won't do in this tune.
I would like to see a thread on how to handle setting non-traditional
tunes, specifically with regard to the notes out of range. There are
three strategies: (1) faking the note(s), (2) transposing the note(s)
up or down an octave, (3)transposing the note(s) up or down a third or
sixth (or in very rare cases a fourth or fifth), or (4) changing keys.
I've tried this several times before, but there have been no takers.
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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 18:34:49 -0500
From: <invisiblesun@prodigy.net>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Ears as Tuners
Actually...the popularity of the tuner has spread because of the demand from
competitive bands. It can be very difficult to tune 12+ pipers at the final
tuning area with six other bands around warming up to go on. The tuner
allows every piper to feel confident that if they lock into their drones,
there will be no need to start searching for pitch if things go awry on the
field. Lock into your own sound and you will be with the band average
because we've all been tuned to the same pitch. Got it?
It is not a tool to tune notes on a chanter. Any piper worth his/her salt
can balance a chanter. You don't need a tuner for that. Ditto for the
drones. The goal is to find a pitch that's ideal for your band based on the
reed/chanter combination, weather and the latest fad (through the roof).
Once the pitch is determined, a decent P/M can balance chanters one by one
with his/her ear. Once the chanters are set and the drones are close (again
by ear), a final tune using the meter is required to set every set of drones
to the ideal band average. Lock in and away you go!
JEH41 <jeh41@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19991220120140.18996.00000139@ng-fq1.aol.com...
> Couldn't agree more, tuning with one's ears is the only good method if you
ask
> me. there might be a situation where your electronic tuner stops working,
then
> what are you going to do if you depend on that thing. And what if Y2K
kills
> all the tuners?
> Jeh
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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 18:41:24 -0500
From: <invisiblesun@prodigy.net>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Trend tapering off soon????
I think you are missing something. The commitment required to play this or
any other instrument well should weed out the weaklings a lot faster than
any trend. If a trend is what brought them, they will most certainly leave
on the next band wagon. And thank god. People like that give bagpipes a
bad name. It's an evolutionary process...survival of the fittest so that
only the fit will survive...so that only the fit will survive...so that only
the fit....
Good piping will flourish in certain circles a lot longer than some dumb ass
t-shirt and the latest "Piper On Board' bumper sticker.
Rodger A. Cotton <outlawpipe@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19991219124016.00756.00000225@ng-fe1.aol.com...
> Just about everything these days follows trends. Popular Culture tends to
have
> a cause and effect on everything. The recent pique of interest came after
1996,
> with the "Rob Roy" and "Braveheart" movies in the theater.
>
> I think that to some extent, the hideous eldritch croonin band "Korn"
spawned
> some pactice Chanter Students. (Anyone with AOL and a profile including
the
> word Bagpipe, has had IM's from the "Kornies"...if you never got one of
those
> IMs, here is an example "Dude, right on. Bagpipes are cool. Korns lead
singer
> plays, and Ive got a practice chanter. Hell yeah. Dude!")
>
> I saw something the other day that is going to spark up interest in the
15-30
> crowd to take up classical music. I am talking Bowed Strings other than
Fiddle,
> Brass other than Tin Whistle, and Woodwinds other than Bagpipe. When the
trend
> of increased Piping interest tapers off in a few months, the bodies will
be
> over at the symphony orchestras meeting hall.
>
> So what the hell happened, and why would people start being so keen on
> classical all of a sudden????? Metallica played with the San Fransisco
symphony
> orchestra recently. The cause and effect of this will be interesting to
see.
> Among other things, you might see a String Quartet at a wedding playing
> "Nothing Else Matters" for the Unity Candle.
>
> Rodger
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Date: 21 Dec 1999 00:46:42 GMT
From: "Matthew Wood" <MLWood71@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: (bagpipe) EUSPBA upgrades
Letters are out!
Who in the Gr 5 was upgraded????
Inquiring minds want to know.
Matt
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 01:15:00 GMT
From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Unsuccessful bands (was P/M Steps Down)
On 19 Dec 1999 23:11:34 GMT, zudupiper@aol.com (Zudupiper) wrote:
>Or even an unsuccessful band, for that matter. How do we define "unsuccessful"?
> Is the only "unsuccessful" band a defunct one?
"Success" is largely defined by the alleged "goals" or purpose of the
band itself. If a band just says openly they're here to dress up,
throw pipes on their shoulders once a week or so, and have a good
time, then that's all they have to do. If a band publishes and
promotes itself as going to be "grade 2 by 2000," and then spends 10
years just dressing up, throwing pipes on their shoulders once a week
or so, and sucking up time, talent, and gig money from others who
maybe were serious or could have pulled off such a lofty goal, then
either the band is grade 2 by 2000, or anything less than that is just
a load of crap.
Royce
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 00:37:52 GMT
From: pmlerwick@wavetech.net (Royce Lerwick)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: The Bore Diameter of Drones
On Mon, 20 Dec 1999 09:47:21 +0100, =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F6rg?= Becker
<becker@eas.iis.fhg.de> wrote:
>mike_horvath@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>> I've always wondered if different manufacturers use different bore
>> diameters... for instance, in my Gibsons the Bass drone is noticeably
>> bigger than the tenors.
>>
>> ...
>
>Hi Mike,
>
>that's a simple probleme: To produce lower frequencies you need more
>power for the same loudness (in 3-way-boxes about 70 % are used for the
>basses).
>For a balanced drone system you have to bore the bass drone wider than
>the tenors.
>On the other hand you have to balance the drones to the chanter. This
>balance is a personal preference of course and maybe it's different in
>solo and band playing.
Contrary to superficial appearanced however, this in no way suggests
that the wider the bore is, the lower the pitch. This is merely a way
of controlling volume in the bass or tonal output, not pitch. A bass
with a wide bore will actually be *sharper* and louder, the latter
largely because the accompanying drone reed can/must be therefore
opened up wider/flattened to drive the bore at the appropriate pitch.
So in a wide bore bass you end up with a longer or more open tongue
that puts more energy into the bore, but at a lower pitch, and you end
up where you would be pitch-wise, with a narrower bass bore and the
reed shorter or more closed, the latter of which would be a bit
quieter and take less air.
I might also mention that a certain book flogged relentlessly, almost
presented as an offer you couldn't refuse by a very noted piper and
Lerwick detractor who recently visited the area, a certain book that
is, on bagpipe maintenance authored by a friend of this noted piper,
well known to this NG and also openly critical of Lerwick's
"plagiarizing" material for his own book, we must observe, contains on
page 13 the statement:
"The larger the bore of a drone, the flatter the pitch."
This is the acoustic equivalent to saying, "By definition, all
bicycles have three wheels," or "Jesus of Nazareth as we all know was
invented in 1932 as a Christmas promotion by Macy's in New York." Or
more to the point of the physics involved, the author of this book who
claims a superior knowledge of the operation and maintenance of the
GHB, makes a claim so grossly bass-ackwards on page 13, that he might
as well have said, "The force of gravity repells the air and keeps it
above the earth."
A testiment, as I have said, that even the great pipers more often
than not have no real clue how the instrument operates, and frequently
promote and almost mystical litany of pipelore in the place of real
understanding. So shut up and play if you like. But crack a physics
book now and then OK?
Royce
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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 17:02:22 -0800
From: "Jeff Ramsden (MacLe≥id)" <macleod@EXTRACTTHECAPScentricsoftware.com>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: AOL,S bullshit!!
Bill Burt <gaypiper@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:83ilmh$bhe$1@nntp2.atl.mindspring.net...
> I tried them out a couple of years ago and saw what a P.O.S. it was. Been
> with Mindspring ever since and the connections and service are superb.
>
> Bill Burt
> Bagpiip wrote in message <19991216040814.12828.00001317@ng-fb1.aol.com>...
> >You know I've about had enough of AOL's bullshit excuses of "yes were
> having
> >technical difficulties" excuses. Are any of you having the same problems?
Oh man.....get a real ISP - AOL is *so* incredibly limiting, I can't
possibly
understand why anyone would use it. You can, literally, do everything
AOL has plus so much more just by having a real ISP connection.
AOL won't let you view websites that have frames, for example. Not
only do webmasters have to create "AOHell" versions of their sites along
with the usual, but it's more difficult for users to view information.
AOL trashes email addresses when they're sent via a aliased proxy.
It won't even bounce the message, which means the sender has no
idea that the recipient didn't get the mailing.
Basically, AOL is for people that have trouble with 4-function
calculators. Which is fine, but I believe most people outgrow
it in a couple of months of Internet use, but don't realize they have
outgrown it because they haven't hooked up with a real ISP yet.
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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 18:27:51 -0800
From: Ccc31807 <ccc31807@aol.com>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Unsuccessful bands (was P/M Steps Down)
In article <385EBB6A.BADD1DD8@maine.rr.com>, Doug Campbell
<dougc@maine.rr.com> wrote:
> I don't understand your criteria. I would have said the first
> four sound
> pretty good, but #5 (your pick) sounds like organizational jargon.
> You could
> be describing the Taliban or the Bad News Bears. In any case,
> simply working
> with unity of purpose doesn't guarantee musical results (one would
> think that
> would be a critical element in a definition of musical "success"),
> and even if
> it did, "unity of purpose" is pretty subjective stuff. On
> precisely which
> points does everybody in the band need to agree? Which brings me
> to:
> Your statement that "true music cannot be produced in an
> atmosphere of
> bickering and fighting" is dogmatic and untrue. First, one
> wonders what you
> are thinking of when you refer to "true" music, particularly in
> light of your
> recent post where you said that if you had your way, nothing but
> piobaireachd
> would ever be played on the GHB. That aside, I think it's pretty
> common
> knowledge that many of the most "successful" (read "musical")
> bands and
> collaborators in history are notorious for having not gotten along
> personally.
> Often it's exactly that tension that provides the musical edge
> that makes the
> work unique.
> Doug C.
Your post raises some important points, and I thank you for bringing
them up. I'll try to respond to each of them.
"organizational jargon" This was an example of language getting in the
way of thought, and it was my fault that I didn't express myself better.
"unity of purpose" This is related to a larger question, which I will
address below. But the idea was that a group of individuals each doing
his or her own thing don't do as well as a group whose individual
performances are melded into a musical whole. Working with unity of
purpose does not produce a successful outcome. But working without
unity of purpose almost guarantees failure.
"bickering and fighting" This raises the question of what is "true
music." I can't answer this and won't even try, but I will give a sound
bite of an answer. If music is art, and if art is an embodiment of
beauty, and if beauty is productive of the sublime and the serene, then
that which produces discord and anger is not music. And yes, I am aware
that much music is designed to produce storm and stress, and that many
great musicians are rotten people (Beethovan and Wagner for example).
But this does not disprove the argument.
"nothing but piobaireachd" This was a joke, a gentle rebuke of Sam
Strathclyde. It was much to subtle for this medium, and I shouldn't
have tried to do it. It was me, after all, who offered the arrangements
of Civil War tunes to which Sam objected. I like piobaireachd, and
think that the great music has great beauty in its own right, which the
general public, and which many pipers, do not appreciate. But the GHB
is a musical instrument, which we should use to make music, regardless
of its form.
Doug, let me ask you this question. Are the gold medals and
championships of a group the RESULT or the CAUSE of the group's
success? I would argue that the external success of the group is the
result of the internal success of the group, rather than the other way
around. In other words, gold medals and championships are the effect of
the group's success, and not the other way around. The effort and the
musicality comes first, and the gold is just the by-product of doing
everything right.
I have been a member of many groups over the years, musical and
otherwise. Some have been successful, most have not. This is a subject
which I have an opinion on, which has developed through participation
in and leading of groups. I don't mean to sound dogmatic, but the idea
that success can be measured by material means, rather that spiritual
means, seems to me to completely miss the mark. This was what I meant
to say in the first place, and we all would have been better off if I
had just said it and been done with it.
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