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bagpipe-digest      Thursday, September 23 1999      Volume 01 : Number 085




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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 09:57:35 GMT
From: Bill Carr <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) new newsgroup

I hereby rename this ng

"rec.trouble.makers.pickafight  :-)

Move over Chris...What are you drinking?

Bill C

lsrapm wrote:

>  It's like a bar-room brawl just now. (I'm hiding under counter
> trying trying to finish my drink.
>
> Chris
>



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Date: 23 Sep 1999 07:07:24 GMT
From: [e-mail] (SENDMEMORESPAM)
Subject: (bagpipe) THE ONTARIO CHAMPION SUPREME BALL

>Dave recomended your reeds a million eons ago, I guess I should've listened
>then!

Sorry, another private post. I'll learn.
Bill
Mar a bha, mar a tha,
mar a bhitheas gu brath,
ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh.


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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:15:10 GMT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: pipe cases

> the british shop  has a nice  lightweight case with a strap for about
$100
> bucks...
>
> bk
>
Yeah, its nice.  It can be difficult to get the pipes in for a fast get-
away, though.  Finding the black holding flaps for the drones  can be a
challenge because they blend in with the black lining(especially at
night in the dark).  Speaking of black, why not make pipe bags in
colors, like dark blue, green and red?

Or are pipers too dignified for that?  ;-)


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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 08:38:56 -0300
From: John and/or Lori Gaudet <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: pipe cases whats popular/travelling with them

Hi everyone,
I'm in the market for a new pipecase........I have no data on how people like
the softsided cases as opposed to the traditional type cases.....Mine is one
of the older black cases.
Can I first, have some input as to what case everyone likes, how much, and
where to buy at lowest price
and secondly, have some feedback about bands that have flown overseas recently
and if the airlines (who are forever changing the rules for the dimensions of
carry on luggage) have ever given them grief over pipecases.......
Did you get something in writing from the airline before your trip?
Curious!
Thanks in advance
Lori

TLER4 wrote:

> the british shop  has a nice  lightweight case with a strap for about $100
> bucks...
>
> bk


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Date: 23 Sep 1999 06:00:51 GMT
From: [e-mail] (SENDMEMORESPAM)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: THE ONTARIO CHAMPION SUPREME BALL

>From: [e-mail]

Ohhhh so your that asshole who makes reeds eh? (drunken sarcasm. Sorry, it was
a band practice night).
Dave recomended your reeds a million eons ago, I guess I should've listened
then!
The only reason we haven't bought them is some crap about "having to play with
the drones OPEN" in order to measure the tone/sound to buy them. Why did those
corks come with the drones if they weren't meant to be there? Are they really
removeable? Dave said (after hearing me play on the phone) they belonged there!
Signed a future customer.
Bill
Mar a bha, mar a tha,
mar a bhitheas gu brath,
ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh.


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Date: 23 Sep 1999 12:29:25 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Ccc31807)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Piobaireachd Styles?

>The differences, as I understand them have to do with timing of cadences,
>breabach's played up among others.   The older players say that players today
>
>make much more of the differences than they did.   I think this happens more
>here in North America than in Scotland
>
>
>[e-mail] (Zudupiper) writes:
>> What are the main schools/ styles of piob interpretation, and how do they
>> differ?
>>
>> What piob I know, I learned from a MacDonald style teacher.  As I
>understand
>> it, there are not many MacDonald style teachers out there (in New England).
>
>> The lineage traces back through a couple of teachers to Jimmy MacIntosh.
>>
>> The other big-name teachers (Lezlie Webster, Donald Lindsay etc) in the
>general
>> area teach the other style.  I believe it's the Cameron school, but I'm not
>> sure.
>>
>> Which school is more commonly heard/ accepted?
>>
>> Having started in one tradition, I wondered about changing styles. Maybe at
>my
>> level (grade 3) I shouldn't be worried about it.  But I like piob and I've
>done
>> fairly well in piob comps this year.
>>
>> I need a piob teacher, and Lezlie and Donald are the two names that always
>keep
>> cropping up.  Different school.  How big a difference is it, I wonder?
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> Dave
>
>

>The differences, as I understand them have to do with timing of cadences,
>breabach's played up among others.   The older players say that players today
>
>make much more of the differences than they did.   I think this happens more
>here in North America than in Scotland
>

Peter Anderson asked for some guidance on setting up a Piobaireachd Society web
page.  IMO, this is exactly the type of issue that the PS should address.  I
suspect that there are many, like me, who were first introduced to ceol mor at
age 45, and who have never had the opportunity to discuss it with anyone who
has any first hand knowledge, but who are interested in the different styles
and methods of playing.

We can buy a wide variety of music, but we have no direction (or very little)
in playing it.  We have a crying need for some in depth tuition of this sort.

Thanks, Zu, for opening this thread.

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Date: 23 Sep 1999 13:07:12 GMT
From: [e-mail] (ERae104)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: DegerPipes electronic chanter

In one word YES
Ed Rae

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:28:40 GMT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Trying to make sense out of the absurd

. . . . anyone else in FL noticing this strange phenomenon?



I'm not in FLa, but nearby.  Floyd didn't get to us, but the refugees
from the coast did.  This past week I noticed my reed protesting!  I do
believe it is on its last legs and must be euthenized soon.  I really
should put it out of my misery.  My fellow band members agree, but I
wanted to give it one last moment of glory.  I don't think that will
happen..... oh well, such is life.


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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 09:50:04 -0400
From: Doug Campbell <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Royce's Top Ten List

[e-mail] wrote:

> Finally, someone speaking the truth (albeit stating the obvious).   Thank you
>
> Maureen
> >
> > Do you really think reading anything on this NG helps. Keep on
> > answering the same questions over and over, and you will
> > finally get the idea that no one is listening.
> >
> > So what's the point of contributing, that's the teachers job!!!
> >
> > John
> >

Except, Maureen, that I just saved your immediately preceding reply to Zu about
the piobaireachd schools to my folder of useful and interesting downloads from
this newsgroup.  We <<<<are>>>>  listening, and this is a perfect example of the
kind of info that some of us eat up.  Sure, the NG is no substitute for practice
and listening but it is a useful supplement!

Doug C.



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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:08:58 GMT
From: Mark Szymanski <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) PBWAI

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Hi all,

   I have assembled a collection of articles that have been published on
the web that may of interest to Pipe Band members. Both Pipers and
Drummers. The URL is -  http://members.xoom.com/chanterman/pbwai.html
This is a link page to articles written by others, then sorted into
different sections.  Hopefully these will be of some use to everyone.
These were all of the articles that I could find on the subject on the
first pass.  If you know of any others I would very much appreciate you
sending the link to me.

  I have noticed some rather strong opinions different subjects on this
NG.  Bully for you all.  Passion for the Pipes is to be commended,
whether you agree with what the other person is saying or not.   Yes, in
your opinion they may be as far off the mark as can be; but does that
justify putting them down so that you seem more important?   What one
person feels is important and should not be belittled however.   That is
how everyone improves.  Do people resort to name calling in their pipe
bands?  I should hope not.   This name calling just demeans the sender
and keeps people who may have posted a differing viewpoint  from
posting.  That is our real loss.  How much more would we all have
learned if we just had minds open enough to consider view points other
than our own.  How often have you found that after a period of time that
what they are saying "works for them" as it so often does.
   Well there's my two cents.

Mark Szymanski
The White Pine Pipe and Drum Corps
http://members.xoom.com/chanterman/

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Hi all,
<p>   I have assembled a collection of articles that have been
published on the web that may of interest to Pipe Band members. Both Pipers
and Drummers. The URL is -  <a href="http://members.xoom.com/chanterman/pbwai.html">http://members.xoom.com/chanterman/pbwai.html</a>
<br>This is a link page to articles written by others, then sorted into
different sections.  Hopefully these will be of some use to everyone.
These were all of the articles that I could find on the subject on the
first pass.  If you know of any others I would very much appreciate
you sending the link to me.
<p>  I have noticed some rather strong opinions different subjects
on this NG.  Bully for you all.  Passion for the Pipes is to
be commended, whether you agree with what the other person is saying or
not.   Yes, in your opinion they may be as far off the mark as
can be; but does that justify putting them down so that you seem more important?
What one person feels is important and should not be belittled however.
That is how everyone improves.  Do people resort to name calling in
their pipe bands?  I should hope not.   This name calling
just demeans the sender and keeps people who may have posted a differing
viewpoint  from posting.  That is our real loss.  How much
more would we all have learned if we just had minds open enough to consider
view points other than our own.  How often have you found that after
a period of time that what they are saying "works for them" as it so often
does.
<br>   Well there's my two cents.
<p>Mark Szymanski
<br>The White Pine Pipe and Drum Corps
<br><a href="http://members.xoom.com/chanterman/pbwai.html">http://members.xoom.com/chanterman/</a></html>

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:30:03 -0300
From: John and/or Lori Gaudet <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: pipe cases

Aw but it will blend with that black stewart kilt of yers kiddo!! hehehe
Lori

Chris Hamilton wrote:

> On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:15:10 GMT, [e-mail] wrote:
>
> >
> >> the british shop  has a nice  lightweight case with a strap for about
> >$100
> >> bucks...
> >>
> >> bk
> >>
> >Yeah, its nice.  It can be difficult to get the pipes in for a fast get-
> >away, though.  Finding the black holding flaps for the drones  can be a
> >challenge because they blend in with the black lining(especially at
> >night in the dark).  Speaking of black, why not make pipe bags in
> >colors, like dark blue, green and red?
>
> The British Shop now offers their new vinyl backpack-like case in
> maroon, blue, green, and black.
>
> I just ordered a maroon one.
>
> >Or are pipers too dignified for that?  ;-)
>
> My fiance said, "Maroon?  Isn't that kind of feminine?"
>
> Oops.
>
> Chris
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Chris Hamilton -- [e-mail]
> City of Washington Pipe Band
> http://toneczar.freeservers.com/


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Date: 23 Sep 1999 10:10:26 -0500
From: "Maeve" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) What this NG means to me . . . .

I SWORE I would never do this but here goes. And you will all see that I DO
have a serious side. While I am playful, there are things in this life that
I take VERY seriously . . . like piping. It is an obsession with me and I
do anything in my power to improve my ability. Richard put into words many
of my sentiments about learning and there are a few more that I would like
to share. I believe that many of us here WANT to learn while our resources
to learning are somewhat limited. I have a teacher who has taken me quite a
way. I am not degrading or discounting her in any way, shape or form.
People learn in different manners. I was amazed last night at our practice.
. . I was playing a tune that my teacher wanted to learn. She stood across
from me and was able to follow my fingers as I played. I CANNOT do this!
Give me some sheet music and let me hear it once and I can do it but NOT
from a mechanical aspect. I am an abstract learner for the most part. She
has problems with the sheet music and best learns by being shown. My
husband is the same way . . . fortunately, he has a great dulcimer teacher
who teaches by the "do what I am doing" method. And he also gets frustrated
by me when I pick up a sheet of music and play. He can't understand this.

How does this pertain to the newsgroup? For people like myself, the
information here is invaluable. I read every post (well, ALMOST every
post!) and soak up the little bits of information like a sponge.
Fortunately for me, I don't KNOW those who are the "big names" here and it
means absolutely nothing to me to know WHO gave me the information. I'm not
limited by preconceptions. I can't express enough gratitude to those who
have taken a moment to privately help me out. This is unfortunate for the
others on the NG who didn't get to see these bits of information that might
have made all of the difference in the world to them. My piping has
improved a hundred-fold with the bits I have received here. What might seem
like a trivial passing statement may have a huge impact on a person. One of
Ringo's posts a few weeks ago did this for me. . . . I stepped back ten
paces and regrouped over something he said (and I think it was in a
flame-type letter!) that I am sure he doesn't even realize he said. This
has happened to me MANY times . . . . not just from Ringo! His name only
came up here as the most recent example of something that moved me a step
forward. But even the "smallest" of us has the ability to teach something
to another.

As far as listening to learn? . . . this works for ME . . . but I know it
doesn't work for a number of people. And I DO listen. The moment I am alone
in the house, the piping tape from which I am learning is fed into the tape
player and is played OVER and OVER. I'm quite intimate with Jimmy MacIntosh
at the moment :) :) :) as I am learning a number of piobaireachds that I
have of his on tape. I will put headphones on and listen to him while I
play to see where my phrasing differs. But, again, I am an abstract learner
and this will not work for some people.

While I have gone and put my neck on the chopping block here, let me add
that this NG is not the end-all and be-all of learning. I'm sure we all
know this. It is PART of the piping experience. While I had run into a
brick wall a few weeks ago, I whined (in a private correspondence) about
the fact that a 1,000 words could not do what 2 minutes of listening and
being shown could do for me. Right after that statement, another member
from here wrote to me with DIFFERENT words and a DIFFERENT solution that
worked! I understood it exactly. Reading through a dozen different
methods/opinions of something doesn't bother me at all. ONE of those will
make sense to me. . . and I am sure that this happens to many of us. I more
than welcome the different takes on the same subject.

Having said this, I will go back to my hole and try to never do this again
;) :) I have left this NG twice in the last couple of years over flaming. .
. . certainly not directed towards me but I'm a sensitive kind of person
and don't do well in conflict. I do  find my way back and have learned to
"toughen up" a little. . . . and I, for one, am glad when people share
their knowledge . . . even if they don't mean to do it! Thank you,
ALL!!!!!!!!!!
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Love and Light be with you,
Maeve
http://people.delphi.com/terralyn
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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 09:48:23 -0400
From: Chris Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: pipe cases

On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:15:10 GMT, [e-mail] wrote:

>
>> the british shop  has a nice  lightweight case with a strap for about
>$100
>> bucks...
>>
>> bk
>>
>Yeah, its nice.  It can be difficult to get the pipes in for a fast get-
>away, though.  Finding the black holding flaps for the drones  can be a
>challenge because they blend in with the black lining(especially at
>night in the dark).  Speaking of black, why not make pipe bags in
>colors, like dark blue, green and red?

The British Shop now offers their new vinyl backpack-like case in
maroon, blue, green, and black.

I just ordered a maroon one.

>Or are pipers too dignified for that?  ;-)

My fiance said, "Maroon?  Isn't that kind of feminine?"

Oops.

Chris
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City of Washington Pipe Band
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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 13:44:50 GMT
From: oshpiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Royce's Top Ten List

In article <[e-mail]>,
  [e-mail] (Royce Lerwick) wrote:

> Took four and more of you guys up there to come up with that eh?
>
> Royce
>
> (Still, so far, more helpful piping related instruction than you given
> the NG in any of your combined other posts.)

You sure know how to hook'em, Royce.  My advice:  Quick, let up on the
drag.  They taste like Carp when ya get'em home.

Pat


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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:35:58 -0400
From: Chris Hamilton <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: pipe cases

On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:30:03 -0300, John and/or Lori Gaudet
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>Aw but it will blend with that black stewart kilt of yers kiddo!! hehehe
>Lori

Yeah, we've got some little red stripes in the kilt.  It goes with my
perpetually-rosy cheeks as well.

Chris


>Chris Hamilton wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:15:10 GMT, [e-mail] wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >> the british shop  has a nice  lightweight case with a strap for about
>> >$100
>> >> bucks...
>> >>
>> >> bk
>> >>
>> >Yeah, its nice.  It can be difficult to get the pipes in for a fast get-
>> >away, though.  Finding the black holding flaps for the drones  can be a
>> >challenge because they blend in with the black lining(especially at
>> >night in the dark).  Speaking of black, why not make pipe bags in
>> >colors, like dark blue, green and red?
>>
>> The British Shop now offers their new vinyl backpack-like case in
>> maroon, blue, green, and black.
>>
>> I just ordered a maroon one.
>>
>> >Or are pipers too dignified for that?  ;-)
>>
>> My fiance said, "Maroon?  Isn't that kind of feminine?"
>>
>> Oops.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Chris Hamilton -- [e-mail]
City of Washington Pipe Band
http://toneczar.freeservers.com/

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 17:11:20 GMT
From: "Ron Bowen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Out of Chaos....

Well, this certainly has been a lively place lately!  I believe it was
Frederich Wilhelm Nietzsche who said "Out of chaos comes order."  But
then.... he never met this bunch.  From my perspective only, I am
disappointed to see the NG reduced to the stinking pool of primordial goop
that it has become of late.  Finger pointing, name calling, accusations,
slagging and crotch kicking.  If we were a family, I think we would be
called "highly dysfunctional" unless, of course, our primary purpose is to
point fingers, lay blame, call names, slag, kick crotches, etc.

So to each person out there reading this right now, I have a few questions:

1) "How do people know you?"  I'll help you with this first one.  The answer
is easy.  They know you by your deeds, by the words you speak and write, by
how you treat others, and by the reputation that precedes and follows you.

2) "How do you want people to know you?"

3) "How do you think people know you by your participation on this NG?"

My advice is simple.  If you want to be taken seriously, act like it.  If
you're here to learn, learn.  If you're here to help, help.  Stay clear of
the school yard bullies and bigmouths.  They'll either eventually follow
your example or go away.  And if they don't, they will be known to all for
what they are.

This place is what we make it, and right now, it's not worth being here.  I
certainly wouldn't recommend it to anyone.

Ringo



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Date: 23 Sep 1999 17:12:39 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Ccc31807)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: Steam Train to Mallaig?

>'ve been looking all over for the sheet music to Steam Train to
>Mallaig. Can anyone help?

I believe (without checking) that it is in the Antipodes Collection, Vol 2, by
Mark Saul.  I'll check and see when I get time, and if I am mistaken will let
you know.

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 17:31:55 GMT
From: "Ron Bowen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: What this NG means to me . . . .

Dear Maeve:  You, and the many other NG members like you, are what keeps me
coming back.  (I prefer to be a "conscious competent" however if I helped
without knowing it, that's o.k. too) I think you know my temperament is not
hostile, but it's difficult to not engage given some of the provocation.
One of my many human frailties.  Honestly... there have been times when I
bit my tongue so hard that blood was running down my chin.  Whatever you do,
don't leave this place again!

Ringo

Maeve <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:01bf05cc$6e213300$[e-mail]...
> I SWORE I would never do this but here goes. And you will all see that I
DO
> have a serious side. While I am playful, there are things in this life
that
> I take VERY seriously . . . like piping. It is an obsession with me and I
> do anything in my power to improve my ability. Richard put into words many
> of my sentiments about learning and there are a few more that I would like
> to share. I believe that many of us here WANT to learn while our resources
> to learning are somewhat limited. I have a teacher who has taken me quite
a
> way. I am not degrading or discounting her in any way, shape or form.
> People learn in different manners. I was amazed last night at our
practice.
> . . I was playing a tune that my teacher wanted to learn. She stood across
> from me and was able to follow my fingers as I played. I CANNOT do this!
> Give me some sheet music and let me hear it once and I can do it but NOT
> from a mechanical aspect. I am an abstract learner for the most part. She
> has problems with the sheet music and best learns by being shown. My
> husband is the same way . . . fortunately, he has a great dulcimer teacher
> who teaches by the "do what I am doing" method. And he also gets
frustrated
> by me when I pick up a sheet of music and play. He can't understand this.
>
> How does this pertain to the newsgroup? For people like myself, the
> information here is invaluable. I read every post (well, ALMOST every
> post!) and soak up the little bits of information like a sponge.
> Fortunately for me, I don't KNOW those who are the "big names" here and it
> means absolutely nothing to me to know WHO gave me the information. I'm
not
> limited by preconceptions. I can't express enough gratitude to those who
> have taken a moment to privately help me out. This is unfortunate for the
> others on the NG who didn't get to see these bits of information that
might
> have made all of the difference in the world to them. My piping has
> improved a hundred-fold with the bits I have received here. What might
seem
> like a trivial passing statement may have a huge impact on a person. One
of
> Ringo's posts a few weeks ago did this for me. . . . I stepped back ten
> paces and regrouped over something he said (and I think it was in a
> flame-type letter!) that I am sure he doesn't even realize he said. This
> has happened to me MANY times . . . . not just from Ringo! His name only
> came up here as the most recent example of something that moved me a step
> forward. But even the "smallest" of us has the ability to teach something
> to another.
>
> As far as listening to learn? . . . this works for ME . . . but I know it
> doesn't work for a number of people. And I DO listen. The moment I am
alone
> in the house, the piping tape from which I am learning is fed into the
tape
> player and is played OVER and OVER. I'm quite intimate with Jimmy
MacIntosh
> at the moment :) :) :) as I am learning a number of piobaireachds that I
> have of his on tape. I will put headphones on and listen to him while I
> play to see where my phrasing differs. But, again, I am an abstract
learner
> and this will not work for some people.
>
> While I have gone and put my neck on the chopping block here, let me add
> that this NG is not the end-all and be-all of learning. I'm sure we all
> know this. It is PART of the piping experience. While I had run into a
> brick wall a few weeks ago, I whined (in a private correspondence) about
> the fact that a 1,000 words could not do what 2 minutes of listening and
> being shown could do for me. Right after that statement, another member
> from here wrote to me with DIFFERENT words and a DIFFERENT solution that
> worked! I understood it exactly. Reading through a dozen different
> methods/opinions of something doesn't bother me at all. ONE of those will
> make sense to me. . . and I am sure that this happens to many of us. I
more
> than welcome the different takes on the same subject.
>
> Having said this, I will go back to my hole and try to never do this again
> ;) :) I have left this NG twice in the last couple of years over flaming.

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Date: 23 Sep 1999 17:54:56 GMT
From: [e-mail] (SENDMEMORESPAM)
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: What's it all about?

>Just what is the point of this news group anyway? I still maintain <snip>

All pure crap John. You'll just never understand. Luckily many (most?) do!
Bill
Mar a bha, mar a tha,
mar a bhitheas gu brath,
ri tra'ghadh's ri lionadh.


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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 18:53:56 GMT
From: "Ron Bowen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (bagpipe) Re: What's it all about?

John, you speak a lot of truth here.  As painful as it is to some, it is
what it is.

I've said it before...  if you haven't stood in a Grade 1 circle, you can't
appreciate what it's like or what it takes to get there.  This isn't bad.
It's just the way it is.  This doesn't mean that your opinion doesn't count,
it just means that your opinion isn't hasn't been formulated by the same
things, namely, first hand experience.  So my question becomes... would you
rather listen to someone who has been there and done that, or someone who
hasn't and will never?

Now, does this give a more accomplished piper the right to look down on or
belittle someone who is not their piping equal.  Not on your life!  Nor does
it give someone with a big mouth the right to shoot it off like an authority
every time someone asks a question.  Of course, both situations happen all
too often.

I especially enjoyed your statement about Murray Henderson et al.  You bet
your life!  When someone who has accomplished more in piping speaks, I damn
well want to be listening!  and that's really hard to do above the rantings
of some others who don't know enough to shut their mouths!

As far as my civility goes, its a curse.  I confess.  I genuinely like
people and I have absolutely no ego.  I tend to focus on the bigger picture
and rarely let little things get to me.  But that don't make me a bad guy!
And I never say "happy piping"!

Good Piping
Ringo

<[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:7sdnsm$fsv$[e-mail]...
> Just what is the point of this news group anyway? I still maintain
> you can't learn anything from here about playing the instrument itself.
>
> You can't read about blowing tone and tuning, or phrasing and timing
> as these have to be demonstrated directly. I've seen many people
> try to describe timing of tunes, and I don't even get what their saying
> ,so how the hell is a newbie supposed to get it.
>
> What this NG is good for, is discussing issues about competitions,
> selection of good tunes to play and where to find them, bagpipe
> products such as the  Ross Canister Bag, and also current events
> happening in the piping world, such as the recent situation with the
> Peel police.
>
> I know there are many good players who have looked at this NG and
> decided that it's not worth getting involved.There are too many
> numpties that don't understand the workings of the piping world and try
> to jump in and declare their expressed opinion, which is based on
> their own limited experience.
>
> People fall into two categories. There are the serious players that
> are involved in the top level competitions, and then there are the
> casual
> players that play a few times a week because they enjoy hearing the
> instrument.  These two types of players are worlds apart in terms of
> understanding each other.
>
> The casual player doesn't understand the competitive spirit of
> the Top players, and the top players don't get what's so enjoyable
> about playing in parades and playing the basic tunes.
>
> The casual players are usually under the impression that the top
> players don't enjoy the music as much as they do. The top
> players usually have a couple hundred tunes in their repertoire,
> and have learned a thousand tunes or so, so you would think
> they just might enjoy the music too!!!!
>
> The biggest problem I see with this fucking NG is that there are a
> few individuals who don't understand the workings of the piping
> world, and then try to stand up and declare that they have ever right
> to voice their opinion, and we should listen to it.
>
> Well folks, it doesn't work that way, as I've said before.
> The problem with adult learners is they have adult attitudes, but
> when they enter the world of piping, they have to realize that
> their just babes in the woods and that they have no opinion.
>
> Does that make me a snob, of course not! Would you want to listen
> to anyone that wasn't proficient in any field. If some guy came up
> to me in a beer tent, and said he just won the grade 4 solo contest
> I'd congratulate him, but then if he tried to tell me what is the best
> tempo to play a march at, then I'd have to tell him to get tae fuck!
>
> It's just like when you enter the army, They shave your head and
> strip you of all of your identity. They do that so you will lose the
> "me attitude" and you will learn to do it their way.
>
> It's the same thing here, there's nobody here that wants to listen
> how difficult it is to excel at this instrument.
> People don't like to hear about what it takes to make a piper.
> I wouldn't call playing 20 tunes on a bad instrument a piper either.
> And there are also players out there that have been given good
> instruction and still play badly, so talent does have something
> to do with it as well.
>
> Most people have no idea of what it takes to excel at this game.
> Oh there are plenty of people sitting on the side lines that think
> they know what their talking about, but unless you have made the
> commitment to play in the top levels, you just have no idea.
>
> Yes there is alot of sacrifice that these top level players make,
> I think alot of people take it for granted that the grade one bands
> just naturally sound the way they do. It takes many hours of practice
> to get it that way, but it's very satisfying when it all comes together.
>
> I've met many people as a  result of the pipes. I enjoyed talking to
> the folks that know what their talking about, but there are other
> types who have no clue and put on a good show, and then you
> learn to avoid them after awhile.
>
> It's the same with this NG, there are those who profess to be
> knowledgeable, but then you hear them play poorly, on a set
> of pipes that suck shit, and they lose all credibility.
>
> Am I saying that you have to be a good player to give advise,
> NO, but it sure would help to know who your talking too.
> You've got guys making pipes and reeds that have just barley
> learned the scale. How would they even know if they had a good
> product or not. What are they listening too or for.
>
> This newsgroup seems to thrive on pure conjecture, and
> many get involved in personal attacks on the posters.
> I believe if anyone posts on here, it doesn't give certain individuals
> the right to declare open season on them. There are individuals
> that sit behind the safety of their keyboard and slag away at anyone.
>
> Should we show some respect when the likes of Colin Maclellan,
> Murray Henderson and others show up from time to time to
> voice their opinion. Fucking right you do!
> I know Royce, you don't believe in paying Homage to these good
> players, but they do deserve it.
> What are you going to do if Alisdair Gillies shows up here?
>
> Anyways as Ringo says
>
> happy piping
> John Mitchell
> I'll have to talk to that boy about his civilized attitude.
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.



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