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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 08:52:39 +0100
From: Stanojevic Stanislav <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (andina) ANTARA questions

Jennifer Runner wrote:

> > I am surprised at how easily I can improvise a tune on the antara.
> > It seems that any sequence of notes sound pleasant together.
> > The pentatonic scale obviously has some inherent relationships
> > that escape me at the moment. Any explanations?
>
> Chromatic scale       x x x x x x x x x x x x x
> Major scale (octave)  x - x - x x - x - x - x x
> Pentatonic scale      x - x - x - - x - x - - x [no semitones]I've
> heard that a good way to learn to play the piano is to begin using
> only
> the black keys, since they are on the pentatonic scale. That way you
> can concentrate on how to play without worrying about whether the
> notes sound good together or not. :-) Any sequences sounds okay.
> I wonder if the same advice would be helpful in learning to play
> Andean instruments? Would it be easiest to begin with a pentatonic
> antara?
>
> > I play zampona with base tubes on the right.  Is the antara played
> > this way?
>
> I got the idea from somewhere that Ecuadorian zamponas have the base
> tubes on the left and Bolivian zamponas have them on the right (or
> maybe it was the other way around). Anyone know if that's correct? And
> would it be the same with antaras?
>
> > Also I realized that this pattern of half steps 3 2 3 2 2 is exactly
>
> > the same as the notes missing from the zampona.
> > That is F G# A# C# D# F.  So given the right range and key the two
> instruments form a full chromatic set of pipes. Has anyone heard of
> > antaras in this tuning?
> >
> > Ken Webster   [e-mail]
> >
> > -
>
> -

Pentatonic scales can be explained exactly like Jennifer Runner did,
with black piano keys.

As white piano keys are diatonic C-Major scale, derived pentatonic scale
would be c# - d# - f - g# - a#, which are the notes not represented in
siku and which can be added as the third row (chromatic siku). If we
associate in our mind other diatonic scale for white keys, we could
derive successively other pentatonic scales. Theoretically we could make
antaras in any possible pentatonic scale, but in practice the most used
combinations are : c - d - e - g - a and g - a - h - d - e. The reason
for this could be the choice of tonality to accompany antaras on
strings, although originally antaras are played without them.

I would add only that one particular pentatonic scale has five modes,
depending with which of the five notes this scale begins. These modes
are designated with letters a, b, c, d, and e. This is perhaps the
answer for Ken Webster's question about when to stop adding more tubes
in antara.

Stanislav Stanojevic
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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 11:32:46 -0800
From: [e-mail] (Marcelo Villacres [ESRI-Redlands])
Subject: (andina) UNBELIEVABLE. This affects us all!

Can this really be true? How is this legal when we already pay for phone
service? Up to you if you want to respond but thought it something we
all should be aware of.

Long distance fees to access your local ISP???

Congress will be voting in less than two weeks.CNN stated that the new
Congress is scheduled, in two weeks time, to decide whether to allow or=20
not allow your telephone company to levy a charge on your phone bill =
equal=20
to a Long Distance call EACH time you access the Internet. The address =
is:

http://www.house.gov/writerep

Visit the address above and fill out the necessary form!Tell your =
Congressman
to vote against Internet Access Fees!If EACH one of us, forward this =
message=20
on to others in a hurry, we may be able to preventthis injustice from
happening! We all need to respond to this--don't want to lose another
one of our "freedoms."

And they talk about Bill Gates having a monopoly-HA!!! This is one
more way the phone company can get to our money. I am sure a lot of
people will have to restrict their use of the internet if Congress =
passes=20
this bill.

Dave Terner
Webmaster
Natural Resources Law Center
NetCounsel
[e-mail]
HTML Mail
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Colorado
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Fax: [phone]
Home: 303 494 2165
Work: 303 492 1287
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:50:02 -0700
From: Manuel Navarro <[e-mail]>
Subject: (andina) question

Anybody know Encore,is a software to print out music,I am looking for a book
for it and I can't find one.
thanks in advanced.
Mnauel.


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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 10:44:54 -0600 (UTC -06:00)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (andina) Death of Olmedo Torres in Ecuador

This is a bit off-topic for the Andina-L list, but as most of us
on this list enjoy a wide range of Latin music, I thought it would
be of interest.

Olmedo Torres, a wonderful saxophone player from Ecuador, died on
04 March.  One of the first albums of traditional Ecuadorian tunes
I purchased, back when I first became interested in Latino music,
was "Olmedo Torres y Su Saxo--Canciones de Oro."  The following is
taken from the on-line version of Diario Hoy from 07 March:

En la decada del 70, "Los locos del ritmo" hacian vibrar al publico
quiten~o.  Las canciones: "La cinta verde, "La cumbia triste," entre
otras, tadquirian un sentimiento especial bajo la melodi'a del saxo
de Olmedo Torres.  Desde entonces, Torres grabo' un centenar de discos
de larga duracio'n y posteriormente, dos discos compactos,
consituye'ndose en uno de los artistas nacionales que ma's grabaciones
ha realizado.

El jueves pasado, 4 de marzo, Olmedo Torres, conocido en el a'mbito
arti'stico como "El saxo con alma," murio' a los 73 an~os de edad, al
sufrir un infarto.

Este mu'sico nacio' en Cuenca.  En la capital de la provincia del Azuay
estudio' mu'sica en el Conservatorio.  Su carrera arti'stica, dedicada
a la interpretacio'n de mu'sica popular y nacional, fue creciendo gracias
a su talento y carisma.  Adema's de ser buen mu'sico y amigo entran~able,
tambie'n fue un duro cri'tico de la difi'cil situacio'n que vive el
artista ecuatoriano.  Por ese hecho preferi'a viajar constantamente
a los Estados Unidos, donde, consideraba, se trata mejor al artista,
se valora su capacidad.  Hay un reconocimiento ma's justo.

Miguel Venegas, directivo de la Asociacio'n de Artistas Profesionales
de Pichincha, asegura que Olmedo Torres fue uno de los mejores
saxofonistas latinoame'ricanos.  "Despue's del recordado Julio Jaramillo,
conocido como Mister Juramento, fue quien grabo' la mayor cantiadad de
discos.  Torres fue acompan~ante de las ma's representativas figuras
de antan~o que ha tenido el pai's, y tambie'n, de los nuevos valores
del cancionero ecuatoriano," asegura el dirigente.

Como directivo del gremio arti'stico, Miguel Venegas lamenta que
mu'sicos de la vali'a de Olmedo Torres, que dedicaron toda su vida
a la cultura, ahora mueran sin tener nigu'n tipo de apoyo estatal:
"Olmedo muere en la pobreza ma's absoluta", afirma.


[Any mistakes in the Spanish above are mine--sorry!  John]


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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 11:06:28 -0800
From: Joel Fentin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (andina) Death of Olmedo Torres in Ecuador

Thanks for the news.

I didn't realize Olmedo Torres was anywhere near that old. It
makes me wonder which other Ecuadorian musicians are no longer
alive. I have a CD of Olmedo Torres and pianist Huberto
Santacruz. Is he alive? Probably not.

Is rondador player Arturo Aguirre alive? Segundo Bautista? Flavio
Bastidas? Segundo Duen~as? Nelson Duen~as? Rodrigo Saltos?
Hermanas Mendoz-Suasti? Enrique Ascencio? Patricia Gonzalez?
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Joel Fentin    tel: [phone]    FAX: [phone]

email: [e-mail]     web: http://efm.simplenet.com

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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 12:21:13 -0600 (UTC -06:00)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (andina) Death of Olmedo Torres in Ecuador

I have checked in "Musicos del Ecuador.  Diccionario Biografio"
by Pablo Guerrero (1995).

> Is rondador player Arturo Aguirre alive?
Born in Quito in 1921.  "Actualmente es profesor instructor de la
Orquestra de Instrumentos Andinos del Municipio de Quito"

> Segundo Bautista?
Born in Salcedo, 23 Dec 1935, guitarrista, pianista, cantante y
compositor

> Flavio Bastidas?
No entry

> Segundo Duen~as?
No entry

> Nelson Duen~as?
No entry

> Rodrigo Saltos?
No entry

> Hermanas Mendoz-Suasti?
No entry, but they are quite elderly. When I was in Ecuador last
summer, friends said that they still occasionally performed in Quito.

> Enrique Ascencio?
No entry.

> Patricia Gonzalez?
No entry.

Does anyone else have better information on any of these musicians?

- --John


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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 15:19:36 -0800
From: Joel Fentin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (andina) Death of Olmedo Torres in Ecuador

>I have checked in "Musicos del Ecuador.  Diccionario Biografio"
>by Pablo Guerrero (1995).........

I have the same edition of the same book. And I suspected it of
bias in favor of J. D. Feraud recording stars. But perhaps not.
Nelson Duen~as recorded for them - yet he is not mentioned. Many
of the other names are not obscure. I would expect them to appear
in the book.

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Joel Fentin    tel: [phone]    FAX: [phone]

email: [e-mail]     web: http://efm.simplenet.com

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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:02:35 -0700
From: Manuel Navarro <[e-mail]>
Subject: (andina) antaras key

Can someone help me to find out the order of the pipes in a antara in A ?
Thanks in advanced.
manuel.


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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 22:37:43 -0800
From: Jennifer Runner <[e-mail]>
Subject: (andina) Questions

Hello Andina!
I am taking a world music course this semester and one of our projects
involves researching the music of a particular area.  I have chosen to
do my research on Andean music.  :-)
Part of my project involves researching how Andean musicians learn
the music and its role or meaning in different areas of the world.  If
you could take a few minutes to answer about 10 questions about
the music you play, I would really appreciate your contributions.
(I'll be glad to get input from anyone, whether professional musicians
or not.)  If you only want to answer a few of the questions that's fine
with me and any additional comments or suggestions would of course
be welcome.
I will also be doing research about the history of the music and would
be glad to share the information I find with anyone who is interested.
Thanks very much!

1- Are you a member of a musical group that performs regularly?
2- How would you describe the music that you play?
3- What instrument(s) do you play?
4- How and where did you learn to play Andean instruments?
5- How and where did you learn the songs that you play?
6- How did you become interested in Andean music?
7- What type of music do you play? (from any certain place or style?)
8- What do you consider to be the purpose of performing this music?
9- Where are you from?
10- Where do you live now?

Thanks in advance y muchas gracias!
Jennifer Runner / [e-mail]


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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 19:27:53 -0700
From: Manuel Navarro <[e-mail]>
Subject: (andina) some music in Realaudio...

I put a page with 5 different groups with their style playing andean music.
The server have been wild lately so let me know how the speed work,you need
a Realaudio to listen,in my web page there is a link to get the software
if you want to check the page is here:

www.rumillajta.com/sound.html

Manuel.


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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:35:33 +1100
From: "Ken Webster" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (andina) antaras key - Reply

Hi Manuel and list.

Sorry I can=27t answer this question.  I=27d like to know myself.
Thought I had something on pentatonic scales in a magazine
but have not located it yet.

The problem is one of definition, which of the five notes is to be =
regarded as the key note.  Interestingly any pentatonic scale shares
all five notes with three different major or minor scales.  For example
E G A C D are all found in the major keys of C, F and G.

It seems to me that one of these three would probably be the key
note as these scales are compatible with this pentatonic scale, but which =
one I don=27t know.  If I was to guess I would choose G as it is
the most common key for Andean instruments.  This is a pretty
shaky guess though.

This would make the interval pattern 2 3 2 2 3 so starting at A we
get  A B D E F=23.  Then again it could be A B C=23 E F=23 which is the =
only other pentatonic scale that fits with A Major.

Maybe some of your instruments can help.  A wind instrument is usually =
keyed to its base note like quenas, tin whistles etc.
do you have any five hole winds to check with??


Ken Webster   websterk=40lic.gov.au




>>> Manuel Navarro <mnavarro=40mail.xmission.com> 03/17 8:02 am >>>
Can someone help me to find out the order of the pipes in a antara in A ?
Thanks in advanced.
manuel.


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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 20:58:59 -0700
From: Manuel Navarro <[e-mail]>
Subject: (andina) aol subscriber removed

I'll remove [e-mail] because his mailbox is full, if someone know him
let him know.
thanks.
manuel.


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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 21:04:47 -0700
From: Manuel Navarro <[e-mail]>
Subject: (andina) more bouncing

[e-mail]  is bouncing,Joel can you check why is bouncing,I removed
[e-mail] from the list because you got a new email,let me know if
that is correct.
thanks.
manuel.

ps.wow!!! we have traffic in the list,,ja !!


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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 21:21:46 -0700
From: Manuel Navarro <[e-mail]>
Subject: (andina) only  a test

234365465


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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 20:26:26 -0800
From: Jennifer Runner <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (andina) some music in Realaudio...

Very nice page Manuel!  And I didn't have any trouble with the server,
everything sounds great.  Gracias por ese trabajo.   :-)
By the way I have been looking for the recording by Rumillajta that has the
songs "Chimbalito" and "Jenecheru", does anyone know where it's available?  I
think it's "Lo mejor" but it might also be on "Ayni" or "Escuchemos las
montanas".   Does anyone know where I might be able to get any of these
recordings?
Thanks,
Jennifer

(wow, even more traffic in the list today!)  :-)


Manuel Navarro wrote:

> I put a page with 5 different groups with their style playing andean music.
> The server have been wild lately so let me know how the speed work,you need
> a Realaudio to listen,in my web page there is a link to get the software
> if you want to check the page is here:
>
> www.rumillajta.com/sound.html
>
> Manuel.
>
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 21:49:32 -0700
From: Manuel Navarro <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (andina) some music in Realaudio...

Thanks,I got "chimbalito" in the Rumillajta Lo Mejor  I don't know Jenecheru.
Today I order 2 cd's of Rumillajta from Music Boulevard,maybe they have what
you are looking for.
I understand that Rumillajta is coming to USA by June or July.
later.
manuel.




At 08:26 PM 3/23/99 -0800, you wrote:
>Very nice page Manuel!  And I didn't have any trouble with the server,
>everything sounds great.  Gracias por ese trabajo.   :-)
>By the way I have been looking for the recording by Rumillajta that has the
>songs "Chimbalito" and "Jenecheru", does anyone know where it's available?  I
>think it's "Lo mejor" but it might also be on "Ayni" or "Escuchemos las
>montanas".   Does anyone know where I might be able to get any of these
>recordings?
>Thanks,
>Jennifer
>
>(wow, even more traffic in the list today!)  :-)


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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 08:49:46 -0700
From: Manuel Navarro <[e-mail]>
Subject: (andina) rumillajta...

Yes, the guitar player and Adrian Villanueva, formed another group call
Avilaya,, and  the original Rumillajta vocalist joined them.
I understand that the Rumillajta group will come with new members.
Later.
manuel.
>
>Manuel, didn't you send an email last year concerning Rumillajta having
>separated and not playing any more? is the original band together now, or is
>it a different one without Cordero the guitar player?
>
>Ozzy Henriquez
>801-225-3267
>


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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:24:31 -0800
From: Jennifer Runner <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (andina) rumillajta...

Adrian Villanueva has a page for Producciones Adrianicas (instruments) and the
new group Avilaya at http://www.rds.org.bo/villanue/.
I was really glad to hear that the other members of Rumillajta are still together
and are still planning to come to the US this summer!

Jennifer

Manuel Navarro wrote:

> Yes, the guitar player and Adrian Villanueva, formed another group call
> Avilaya,, and  the original Rumillajta vocalist joined them.
> I understand that the Rumillajta group will come with new members.
> Later.
> manuel.
> >
> >Manuel, didn't you send an email last year concerning Rumillajta having
> >separated and not playing any more? is the original band together now, or is
> >it a different one without Cordero the guitar player?
> >
> >Ozzy Henriquez
> >801-225-3267
> >
>
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:18:55 +1100
From: "Ken Webster" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (andina) antaras key - Reply

Hi Manuel and list

I just found that article on pentatonic scales.
It gives a C Pent scale as C D E G A.
That is an interval pattern of 2 2 3 2 3.

So to answer Manuels question and assuming this article is correct
A Pent is A B C=23 E F=23 which I think fits with A Maj 7 being the
basis of the key so it makes sense.

Ken Webster   websterk=40lic.gov.au



>>> Manuel Navarro <mnavarro=40mail.xmission.com> 03/17 8:02 am >>>
Can someone help me to find out the order of the pipes in a antara in A ?
Thanks in advanced.
manuel.


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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 21:32:28 -0700
From: Manuel Navarro <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (andina) antaras key - Reply

Hey!! Ken thanks a lot for that info,,I will try it to build one soon.
later.
manuel.


At 10:18 AM 3/26/99 +1100, you wrote:
>Hi Manuel and list
>
>I just found that article on pentatonic scales.
>It gives a C Pent scale as C D E G A.
>That is an interval pattern of 2 2 3 2 3.
>
>So to answer Manuels question and assuming this article is correct
>A Pent is A B C# E F# which I think fits with A Maj 7 being the
>basis of the key so it makes sense.
>
>Ken Webster   [e-mail]
>
>
>
>>>> Manuel Navarro <[e-mail]> 03/17 8:02 am >>>
>Can someone help me to find out the order of the pipes in a antara in A ?
>Thanks in advanced.
>manuel.
>
>
>-
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 08:19:27 -0800
From: [e-mail] (Marcelo Villacres [ESRI-Redlands])
Subject: Re: (andina) Death of Olmedo Torres in Ecuador

I just got back from Ecuador... I was there the day after Olmedo
Torres' death... and I didn't hear anything about it. While I was
there another death occurred, that of Oswaldo Guayasamin, Ecuador's
greatest artistic figure of this century, his paintings became an
international statement of the plight of the indigenous people.

Marcelo

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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 10:07:38 -0700
From: Manuel Navarro <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (andina) Death of Olmedo Torres in Ecuador

Welcome back to USA Marcelo !  any site or more info about those
artists work?
later.
manuel.


At 08:19 AM 3/30/99 -0800, you wrote:
>I just got back from Ecuador... I was there the day after Olmedo
>Torres' death... and I didn't hear anything about it. While I was
>there another death occurred, that of Oswaldo Guayasamin, Ecuador's
>greatest artistic figure of this century, his paintings became an
>international statement of the plight of the indigenous people.
>
>Marcelo
>
>-
>
>
>


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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 10:09:01 -0700
From: Manuel Navarro <[e-mail]>
Subject: (andina) MELISSA..VIRUS.

We installed blocks here.  It has no problem forwarding the Melissa virus
into /dev/null.

XMISSION OWNER


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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:07:10 -0800
From: [e-mail] (Marcelo Villacres [ESRI-Redlands])
Subject: (andina) Oswaldo Guayasamin

For those interested, see:

http://www.guayasamin.com/guayasamin

Marcelo

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 08:21:45 -0700
From: [e-mail] (Marcelo Villacres [ESRI-Redlands])
Subject: (andina) Los Kjarkas

For those in the L.A. area... Los Kjarkas are playing at the Hollywood
Paladium on April 23 at 8:00 p.m. I don't know where they are now nor=20
where they are going after. That's all the info I have.

Marcelo

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Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 07:32:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: martin peck <[e-mail]>
Subject: (andina) Song lyric books

   Hello.  I'm wondering if someone could tell me of
any place in the US or Canada where I could get books
with the music and lyrics to traditional Peruvian
folk songs like CARNAVAL DE HUANCAPI (CLAVELCHATAM
TARPURQANI), SACSAYHUAMAMPI, the TUNTUNA from the
group Alturas (it's got a lot of nice siku), SOY LA
VOZ DE AQUEL MAESTRO, and others; and Bolivian folk
songs such as FLOR DE LA DALIA, ACASIO TINKU (ACASIO
LLAQTAMAN, CHAYANTA LLAQTAMAN), CHASQUISITU,
SURIMANA, JACH'A URU and others?  I'm in
Inkakusisonq'o, an Andean music group that usually
performs in New York and New Jersey, and although I
have many contacts with the Andean music community, I
still can't seem to be able to find good printed folk
music and lyrics sources.  Your assistance would be
greatly appreciated.  Tiyuspayki amigullaykuna!




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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 08:50:52 +0200
From: Stanislav Stanojevic <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (andina) Song lyric books

martin peck wrote:

>    Hello.  I'm wondering if someone could tell me of
> any place in the US or Canada where I could get books
> with the music and lyrics to traditional Peruvian
> folk songs like CARNAVAL DE HUANCAPI (CLAVELCHATAM
> TARPURQANI), SACSAYHUAMAMPI, the TUNTUNA from the
> group Alturas (it's got a lot of nice siku), SOY LA
> VOZ DE AQUEL MAESTRO, and others; and Bolivian folk
> songs such as FLOR DE LA DALIA, ACASIO TINKU (ACASIO
> LLAQTAMAN, CHAYANTA LLAQTAMAN), CHASQUISITU,
> SURIMANA, JACH'A URU and others?  I'm in
> Inkakusisonq'o, an Andean music group that usually
> performs in New York and New Jersey, and although I
> have many contacts with the Andean music community, I
> still can't seem to be able to find good printed folk
> music and lyrics sources.  Your assistance would be
> greatly appreciated.  Tiyuspayki amigullaykuna!
>
> _____________________________________________________________________
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>
>

Hi,

I have two texts in which you are interested :

JACHA URU
(text in Aymara, source : grupo Ukamau CD cover : "Musica de Bolivia -
EUCD 1207"

Uka Jacha Uru Jutaskiuay
Amuya Sipja±ani Jutaskiuay
Taspacha Llakinacasti
Amuyasipja±ani Tukusiniu
Tatanas Mamanaka
Uka Jacha Uru Jutaskiuay
Tatanas Mamanaka
Amuyasipja±ani Tukusiniu

(The special day /gran dφa/ will come. We have to stand together to end
our misery and sorrow.
Granparents, girls and boys, all of us. The special day will come when
our misery will change.)

SAJSAYWAMAN
(text in Quechua / Spanish, source : Marφia Sotomayor from Cuzco)

Sajsaywamanpi pukuy pukuycha
ima llamantas kanris wakanki

╤okachu kanki wakanaykipaj
mana mamayoj mana taytayoj

Estoy llorando amargamente
por una chola que no merece

Te quiero dice te adoro dice
Pero mas tarde adi≤s me dice

Sajsaywaman patachapis
chulla kutilla tupakanchis

Chayta ±ataj runa rimasha
sapa kutinmi tupan nispa


Best regards, Stanislav

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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 12:01:18 -0600
From: Manuel Navarro <[e-mail]>
Subject: (andina) Yugoslavian andean group.

Hello Stanislav, I went to your web site and I like it your sound (bailecito)
congratulations !!
I can see that so far you recorded several cassettes, amazing !!!!
all the best and  keep it up that inspirations!!!
manuel.


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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 23:46:55 +0100
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jo=EBl?= Flores <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (andina) Song lyric books

Dear friend,

The following might help you :
 Jach'a Uru is a song written and composed by Mario P. Gutierrez, initially=
 recorded by the Ruphay group, from Bolivia.
If you want the  scores and the original lyrics, the Sacem can provide it to=
 you. This company manages the publishing rights of this author. You can=
 contact them through their web site : http://www.sacem.org

=46or Surimana, song interpreted by the Kjarkas Group, refer to http://www.l=
lajta.org

Regards,

JF



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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 12:43:12 +1000
From: "Ken Webster" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (andina) 3rd octave

Hi list

I have been making quenas for a few years but have not done much
with the third octave until now.
I have reworked the intonation for the first two octaves on
my PVC quena. This is much more accurate and now looks very
similar to a Taki quena.  The method I use is to drill a tone hole
roughly where I think it should be, then gradually enlarge the hole
until it overblows by exactly one octave.   This means the note will
be sharp or flat by the same amount in both octaves.  Next I
calculate a new position for the hole based on how much it is off
tune.  This quena is made in sections so I then make a new section
with the hole in the calculated position.   This is repeated for each
tone hole.  Now a bit of playing watching the electronic tuner and a
few adjustments later and the first two octaves are quite good.

This method follows simple well known rules even if it is a lot of trial
and error work.  The problem I am having is determining just
what rules to apply to the position and size of the thumb hole.
I=27m not sure the same principles apply with cross fingering.
I seem to have to make most 3rd octave notes quite sharp
in order to obtain a reasonable 3rd octave A.

Can anyone provide some detailed method for finding the best position and =
size for this hole?

Also I=27m not sure just what compromises to make between the
first, second and third octave tunings.  My feeling is that as most
playing is in the first and second octaves I probably should not
compromise these very much for the sake of the little played third octave. =
 Any opinions welcomed.

Ps.
    A little tip I discovered is that tapering the inside of the foot
    plate improves the timbre of the upper octaves considerably
    as does rounding the tone hole and foot hole edges.


Bye for now

Ken Webster   websterk=40lic.gov.au

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 10:28:17 -0400
From: "Capt David M. Sonntag" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (andina) Huayno de la suegra

I have an unattributed snippet of lyrics from an unknown huayno, probably
peruvian in origin:

Cuando se muera mi suegra,
Voy a ponerme de luto
En una camisa colorada
Por esa vieja condenada!

Does anybody know the rest of the lyrics, as well as source, and hey,
how about melody to go along with it?

Thanks,

Dave Sonntag


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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 11:50:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: Bruce Mannheim <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (andina) Huayno de la suegra

It is from "Carro del gobierno" by the Jilguero de Huascaran, available on
the IEMPSA cd "Cantares huaracinos." He was himself the composer. By the
way, you've quoted the *mildest* verse.

Regards,

Bruce

On Mon, 26 Apr 1999, Capt David M. Sonntag wrote:

> I have an unattributed snippet of lyrics from an unknown huayno, probably
> peruvian in origin:
>
> Cuando se muera mi suegra,
> Voy a ponerme de luto
> En una camisa colorada
> Por esa vieja condenada!
>
> Does anybody know the rest of the lyrics, as well as source, and hey,
> how about melody to go along with it?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave Sonntag
>
>
> -
>


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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 12:44:15 -0400
From: FuManChu <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (andina) Huayno de la suegra

leave andina

Bruce Mannheim wrote:

> It is from "Carro del gobierno" by the Jilguero de Huascaran, available on
> the IEMPSA cd "Cantares huaracinos." He was himself the composer. By the
> way, you've quoted the *mildest* verse.
>
> Regards,
>
> Bruce
>
> On Mon, 26 Apr 1999, Capt David M. Sonntag wrote:
>
> > I have an unattributed snippet of lyrics from an unknown huayno, probably
> > peruvian in origin:
> >
> > Cuando se muera mi suegra,
> > Voy a ponerme de luto
> > En una camisa colorada
> > Por esa vieja condenada!
> >
> > Does anybody know the rest of the lyrics, as well as source, and hey,
> > how about melody to go along with it?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Dave Sonntag
> >
> >
> > -
> >
>
> -


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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 15:25:05 -0400
From: "Capt David M. Sonntag" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (andina) Huayno de la suegra

Being an honorary huaracino myself, I'd love to have the rest
of the lyrics, even if you need to send them in private, to
avoid offending anybody's sensitivities.

Chau, from "El gringo mataperros de Huaraz"

At 11:50 AM 4/26/99 -0400, you wrote:
>It is from "Carro del gobierno" by the Jilguero de Huascaran, available on
>the IEMPSA cd "Cantares huaracinos." He was himself the composer. By the
>way, you've quoted the *mildest* verse.
>
>Regards,
>
>Bruce
>
>On Mon, 26 Apr 1999, Capt David M. Sonntag wrote:
>
>> I have an unattributed snippet of lyrics from an unknown huayno, probably
>> peruvian in origin:
>>
>> Cuando se muera mi suegra,
>> Voy a ponerme de luto
>> En una camisa colorada
>> Por esa vieja condenada!
>>
>> Does anybody know the rest of the lyrics, as well as source, and hey,
>> how about melody to go along with it?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Dave Sonntag
>>
>>
>> -
>>
>
>
>-
>
>

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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:49:44 -0700
From: Jennifer Runner <[e-mail]>
Subject: (andina) El Condor Pasa

Hi Andina!  I am researching the origins of "El Condor Pasa" and ran
across some interesting information in a book,  El Condor Pasa: Vida y
Obra de Daniel Alomia Robles by Jose Varallanos.  It says that this
piece was originally in a play by the same name, which takes place in
the mines of Yapac, written in 1913 for piano, and Alomia Robles based
the song on an old yaravi "Soy la Paloma que el Nido Perdio."
Does anyone know if that information is correct, or have any additional
information?  The book also gives the original lyrics, I'd be curious to
know if anyone has different lyrics or has heard it sung with the lyrics
given in the book.  Almost every time I have heard this song it was as
an instrumental, and I'd heard that the original lyrics were lost.  Also
does anyone know the yaravi "Soy la paloma que el nido perdio"?

"El Condor Pasa" lyrics from the play (1913):
Pobre alma prisionera de tu dolor
y del cruel enigma que te forgs
Qui duras cadenas, qui duras cadenas
las de tu destino tierno y dulce
misterios y sombras, sombras y abismo.
Maldita lumbre tragica de mis cabellos
que envuelve mi vida con su misterio.
Por qui si son rubios mi vida es tan negra
y tiene esto ansia de sangre y guerra,
de sangre y guerra.


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Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 09:22:49 -0600
From: manuel navarro <[e-mail]>
Subject: (andina) Llajtayku performing

Hello list, I want to invite those who can, to listen
andean music and test the great peruvian food at Incantation
in Salt Lake City, Utah, at 154 Main, from 7 PM. this saturday.
Here you can find out who is Llajtayku,hope soon we can
record a cd.
later.
manuel.
===========================================
RUMILLAJTA ANDEAN WIND INSTRUMENTS
===========================================
www.rumillajta.com
===========================================
MANUEL NAVARRO 960.E 4200.S
OGDEN-UTAH-84403  801-627-5613
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Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 15:25:00 -0700
From: [e-mail] (Marcelo Villacres [ESRI-Redlands])
Subject: (andina) Kena book (FYI)

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y-step
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easily find
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will
understand =0Bthe magic of the Peruvian gods.=20


We have a book to intouduce and teach How to play kena=20
(flute from the Andes)=20
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Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 22:42:21 -0600
From: manuel navarro <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (andina) Kena book (FYI)

>HOW TO PLAY KENA
>
>In ancient America,music was conceived as a divine manifestation,and art
>endowed with magic and supernatural powers.Instruments such as the Kena
>were usedto bring rain and favorable weatherto help with planting and
>harvesting.

Opppp!!!my wife is complaining about the weather in the TV news,she don't
know that I am
playing quena when she is working,we are going to have rain in the next few
days.
That why we get such a beautifull tomatoes from our garden every summer.
I will keep playing the quena.
Manuel.
===========================================
RUMILLAJTA ANDEAN WIND INSTRUMENTS
===========================================
www.rumillajta.com
===========================================
MANUEL NAVARRO 960.E 4200.S
OGDEN-UTAH-84403  801-627-5613
===========================================

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Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 10:26:43 -0600
From: manuel navarro <[e-mail]>
Subject: (andina) bandolin ecuatoriano.

Can someone help me to find out how to tune a bandolin
acuatoriano of 15 strings...?
thanks.
Manuel.

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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 17:46:04 -0600
From: manuel navarro <[e-mail]>
Subject: (andina) question

Anyone know a group by the name Purimuy?
thanks.
Manuel.

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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 21:46:45 -0300
From: "Angel Sampedro del Rio" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (andina) question

>
> Anyone know a group by the name Purimuy?
> thanks.
> Manuel.

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No.
But I know about another things.
Can you tell me how many members has this list?
Or, better, can them introduce themselves?
All in English or Espa±ol?

┴ngel-Argentina
[e-mail]
http://usuarios.arnet.com.ar/bambu/



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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 21:25:54 -0600
From: manuel navarro <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (andina) question

From years ago this list have been in english,I would like to get a list
in spanish but I don't think is necesary,I can create another list for=
 spanish
speaking but the traffic with this list is very low so I think that in
spanish=20
is going to be the same.
This list has like 80 members maybe more.
Angelyou can introduce your self and everybody will get the post.
I think that way would be better then asking all member to introduce them
selfs
Manuel.


At 09:46 PM 5/27/99 -0300, you wrote:
>>=20
>> Anyone know a group by the name Purimuy?
>> thanks.
>> Manuel.
>
>-
>No.=20
>But I know about another things.
>Can you tell me how many members has this list?
>Or, better, can them introduce themselves?
>All in English or Espa=F1ol?
>
>=C1ngel-Argentina
>[e-mail]
>http://usuarios.arnet.com.ar/bambu/
>
>
>
>-
>
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 08:51:09 -0400
From: Dave Sonntag <[e-mail]>
Subject: (andina) Bienvenido, Angel

Bienvenido, Angel.  Hemos visto ambos idiomas aqui--PERO como la
lista tiene miembros de varios paises we mostly stick to English.

O como puedes ver from my message, Spanglish.

David Sonntag

>>No.=20
>>But I know about another things.
>>Can you tell me how many members has this list?
>>Or, better, can them introduce themselves?
>>All in English or Espa=F1ol?
>>
>>=C1ngel-Argentina
>>[e-mail]
>>http://usuarios.arnet.com.ar/bambu/
>>
>>
>>
>>-
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>-
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 23:16:57 -0300
From: "Angel Sampedro del Rio" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (andina) Bienvenido, Angel

O-key, I voy a escribir in both idioms. Please allow me to write some
things in Spanish...
┴ngel-Argentina
[e-mail]
http://usuarios.arnet.com.ar/bambu/

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Bienvenido, Angel.  Hemos visto ambos idiomas aqui--PERO como la
lista tiene miembros de varios paises we mostly stick to English.

O como puedes ver from my message, Spanglish.

David Sonntag


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