Executor 2.0/executorv2.0.iso/pc/dos/extra/docs/maillist/text/archive.96/text0266.txt

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>>>>> "Eric" == emb121 (Eric Bennett) <[e-mail]> writes:
In article <4ebc1m$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (emb121 (Eric Bennett)) writes:


    Eric> In article <[e-mail]> Clifford
    Eric> T. Matthews <[e-mail]> writes:

    ctm>> We wrote Executor, a Macintosh emulator that allows PCs to run
    ctm>> much 68k Macintosh software, and it does so faster on entry
    ctm>> level Pentiums than any 68k based Macintosh Apple ever
    ctm>> released.

    Eric> Entry level meaning Pentium 75?  Any 68k Mac including the
    Eric> 840AV (40 mhz '040)?  Executor is pretty fast, but it's not
    Eric> this fast.

You are absolutely right.  I am absolutely wrong.

I retract the above claim, apologize for the mistake and won't ever
make that claim again.  I'm also bcc'ing this to all ARDI employees so
they will understand that I made this mistake and by doing so this
will prevent them from accidently repeating my incorrect comment.

I overlooked the 40 MHz 840AV when I thought up that sentence as a way
of illustrating Executor's speed.  Using scaled speedometer results
from SynPaper (ftp://ftp.ardi.com), Executor on a 75 MHz Pentium does
barely edge out 33 MHz 040 based Macs in strict integer computation,
but in the future I'll use a longer phrase and point people at our
demo (available from http://www.ardi.com) and at SynPaper.

It's a little tricky, since some people call what you, I and Motorola
call a 40 MHz CPU a 80 MHz CPU and to them, a 33 MHz becomes a 66 MHz
CPU.  At ARDI, we never use the inflated numbers (even though it makes
us look better), but when we say 25 MHz 68040, some people will think
we're talking about a theoretical 12.5 MHz CPU.  Argh.

Thank you for pointing my error out.

    Eric> -Eric Bennett ([e-mail])

--Cliff [Matthews]
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>>>>> "ChessMan" == ChessMan  <[e-mail]> writes:
In article <4ec40s$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (ChessMan) writes:

    ChessMan> Sorry, I didn't realize how negative my post sounded
    ChessMan> until i read it again.  I'm still amazed at the
    ChessMan> Speedometer results running on a 90 mhz Pentium - and
    ChessMan> the speed for a chess program running in emulation is
    ChessMan> pretty amazing too.  It wasn't too many years ago that
    ChessMan> the speed were talking about in emulation was considered
    ChessMan> BLAZING for a MAC.  Keep up the good work folks!

I am very happy that the vast majority of people contributing to
comp.mac.emulators.misc are aware that Executor is a product that is
easily misunderstood, and as such, very few people take what may
appear to be negative comments personally.

Because Executor doesn't yet run everything, it is tricky to mention
it briefly without either listing so many limitations that it sounds
like Executor is totally useless, or without listing too few
limitations and having someone be disappointed when they find out it is
missing a major feature, like QuickTime, for example.

The question "Executor isn't useful for me, so what *is* it useful
for" comes up often and on any other newsgroup could easily be
mistaken as a personal attack and rapidly escalate into a flame war.
I'm quite glad to see that this doesn't happen here, nor does the
opposite: "Executor does everything that I want to do, therefore it's
the perfect solution for everyone".

Thank you ChessMan and all the other players for keeping up high
signal-to-noise and hospitality-to-thoughtlessness ratios.  We
(meaning Melissa -- she's *that* good) will also be working on getting
a mini-FAQ regularly posted which will also help keep everyone
cordial, since it will allow the incredibly frequently asked questions
to be answered automatically.

Again, thanks.

--Cliff
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From: [e-mail] (Clifford T. Matthews)
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>>>>> "Alex" == Alex Newman <[e-mail]> writes:

    Alex> Hi Cliff, Hi there Cliff,

    >> We have never had a good installation of OS/2 on our TI4000M
    >> and so it's hard for us to tell whether or not 1.99p9 is
    >> running properly under OS/2.

    Alex> :(

    Alex> If you have installed 1.99p6 and then 1.99p9 on top of it
    >> under OS/2, please let me know whether Executor/DOS 1.99p9
    >> worked as well as 1.99p6 itself did under OS/2, or worked
    >> better, or worked worse.  We need this information in order to
    >> build 1.99q, which we want to get out real soon (so we can work
    >> on MACWORLD Expo preparations).

    Alex> I'm currently running 1.99p9 on Warp Connect, and everything
    Alex> appears to be fine, including transparency between
    Alex> linux/Warp/DOS/Executor, CD-ROM accessibility etc., as per
    Alex> my last note to you. There does not appear to be any
    Alex> performance hit associated with p9, and from subjective
    Alex> observation p9 is running at least as well as p6 (I didn't
    Alex> really give p8 much of a go due to time limits :), if not
    Alex> better, especially reading the floppy drives.

    Alex> NisusWriter still won't install (let alone run!), but that's
    Alex> not a Warp problem. (Am I hanging out for the day when it
    Alex> *does* work!!!).

We've made some progress and *might* have it running in house by the
end of this week.  No promises, since once we get over the AEGizmos
mountain we don't know if we'll see the promised land or more
mountains.

    Alex> The speakers go 'click' when E/D starts up on OS/2, which is
    Alex> thoroughly encouraging, and interesting considering that the
    Alex> OS/2-DOS SoundBlaster16 installation hasn't been properly
    Alex> configured yet!

    Alex> The cd-rom drive is a bit slow to read, but the Linux
    Alex> partitions read via the OS/2 ext2fs driver are lightning
    Alex> fast in appearing - roll on the OS/2 version of Executor so
    Alex> that I can read long file names via Executor! I can see long
    Alex> file names on the Linux partiton via OS/2, but not via
    Alex> Executor.

    Alex> Speedometer also runs fully without breaking now, but I
    Alex> still can't switch between E/D and the Desktop without E/D
    Alex> snapping. Curiously, I can actually do this on another
    Alex> machine running E/D (in Demo mode) on Warp Connect with a
    Alex> Trident 8900D or similar card and out-of-the-box SVGA
    Alex> dirvers (this machine's got a #9 GXE64 Pro 2Mb with highly
    Alex> suspect drivers from #9).

Yes, it's drivers problem.  Ugh.  I can't wait til we have native
versions for W95 and OS/2.

    Alex> Cheers, Alex


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--Cliff
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>>>>> "Alex" == Alex Newman <[e-mail]> writes:

    Alex> Hi Cliff, Hi there Cliff,

    >> We have never had a good installation of OS/2 on our TI4000M
    >> and so it's hard for us to tell whether or not 1.99p9 is
    >> running properly under OS/2.

    Alex> :(

    Alex> If you have installed 1.99p6 and then 1.99p9 on top of it
    >> under OS/2, please let me know whether Executor/DOS 1.99p9
    >> worked as well as 1.99p6 itself did under OS/2, or worked
    >> better, or worked worse.  We need this information in order to
    >> build 1.99q, which we want to get out real soon (so we can work
    >> on MACWORLD Expo preparations).

    Alex> I'm currently running 1.99p9 on Warp Connect, and everything
    Alex> appears to be fine, including transparency between
    Alex> linux/Warp/DOS/Executor, CD-ROM accessibility etc., as per
    Alex> my last note to you. There does not appear to be any
    Alex> performance hit associated with p9, and from subjective
    Alex> observation p9 is running at least as well as p6 (I didn't
    Alex> really give p8 much of a go due to time limits :), if not
    Alex> better, especially reading the floppy drives.

    Alex> NisusWriter still won't install (let alone run!), but that's
    Alex> not a Warp problem. (Am I hanging out for the day when it
    Alex> *does* work!!!).

We've made some progress and *might* have it running in house by the
end of this week.  No promises, since once we get over the AEGizmos
mountain we don't know if we'll see the promised land or more
mountains.

    Alex> The speakers go 'click' when E/D starts up on OS/2, which is
    Alex> thoroughly encouraging, and interesting considering that the
    Alex> OS/2-DOS SoundBlaster16 installation hasn't been properly
    Alex> configured yet!

    Alex> The cd-rom drive is a bit slow to read, but the Linux
    Alex> partitions read via the OS/2 ext2fs driver are lightning
    Alex> fast in appearing - roll on the OS/2 version of Executor so
    Alex> that I can read long file names via Executor! I can see long
    Alex> file names on the Linux partiton via OS/2, but not via
    Alex> Executor.

    Alex> Speedometer also runs fully without breaking now, but I
    Alex> still can't switch between E/D and the Desktop without E/D
    Alex> snapping. Curiously, I can actually do this on another
    Alex> machine running E/D (in Demo mode) on Warp Connect with a
    Alex> Trident 8900D or similar card and out-of-the-box SVGA
    Alex> dirvers (this machine's got a #9 GXE64 Pro 2Mb with highly
    Alex> suspect drivers from #9).

Yes, it's drivers problem.  Ugh.  I can't wait til we have native
versions for W95 and OS/2.

    Alex> Cheers, Alex


    Alex> * * * * * * * * * * * * * ******* _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/
    Alex> _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/
    Alex> _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/
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    Alex> _/_/_/_/

    Alex> * * * * * * * * * * * * * *******


--Cliff
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Thus spake [e-mail]:

> I have the solution to the 800k problem!  Drill a hole the the corner of the
> disk that has no hole.  Presto your 800k disk should work.
>

Yep, then not only are they unreadable in executor, they are also unreadable
in most Macs!  Sort of levels the playing field I guess.  I think the better
solution is to just glue them to the walls around your computer...

"I gave my love a disk, that had no hole"
Old folk song

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