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Received: from sloth.swcp.com (sloth.swcp.com [198.59.115.25]) by nacm.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id GAA17657 for <executor@nacm.com>; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 06:30:05 -0700 Received: from iclone.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by sloth.swcp.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with UUCP id HAA01666; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 07:30:02 -0600 Received: from beaut.ardi.com by mailhost with smtp (nextstep Smail3.1.29.0 #11) id m0scurP-000YbnC; Mon, 31 Jul 95 07:26 MDT Received: by beaut.ardi.com (linux Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0scurO-00005nC; Mon, 31 Jul 95 07:26 MDT Message-Id: <m0scurO-00005nC@beaut.ardi.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 95 07:26 MDT From: ctm@ardi.com (Clifford Thomas Matthews) To: Chad Page <cpage@shell1.best.com> Cc: executor@nacm.com Subject: RE: Next Release of Executor 1.99p In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.3.91.950728133156.17192B-100000@shell1.best.com> References: <m0sbnt2-00005nC@beaut.ardi.com> <Pine.BSF.3.91.950728133156.17192B-100000@shell1.best.com> Sender: owner-paper@nacm.com Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Chad" == Chad Page <cpage@shell1.best.com> writes: Chad> On Fri, 28 Jul 1995, Clifford Thomas Matthews wrote: >> The next *experimental* version, 1.99p, may be out as early as >> a week from now, or may be out as late as a month from now. >> I've been wrong when I've predicted things a little more >> closely in the past. Internally we've already done a lot of >> core work, but we haven't been able to get all the bugs out >> that we introduced in 1.99n, so that will be what holds us >> back. Chad> Any chance of releasing new BleedingEdge releases? I Chad> liked having those for 1.99n(x)... Yes. It looks like 1.99o2 (there is no 1.99o1) will be cut within the next couple of days. Of course I've been wrong almost every time I've made a prediction in the past. O2 will have our new mods, but won't do much towards solving the DOS bugs that we introduced with 1.99n. However, that's going to be my top priority now (Mat's top priority will be the NEXTSTEP port, Cotton's will be to write the remaining pieces of missing functionality). >> of functionality and compatbility that we need before we can go >> shrink-wrap. We also need to rewrite our manual and get our >> new packaging done. Chad> What is the needed level of development for Executor Chad> to go 2.0? Is running MS Worddoze 6.0 one of them? (well, Chad> that would get close enough to Linus' dream of seeing Chad> WinWord 6 under Linux - it certainly *looks* like Windoze :) Chad> Or what other apps are needed...? Chad> (Actually, running Word 6 for Mac would prove that Chad> Executor was a fast emulator, if it ran well... :) We now have much more information about System 7 requiring apps than we did before the beginning of the hackathon. The good news is that we were able to code up a lot more of System 7 during the hackathon. The bad news is there are some areas that are going to be hard to code up or spoof in time for 2.0 and these areas are indeed *required* by some of the biggest apps. Anyway, with this new information, we'll be solidifying just what we need to have in 2.0 before we go beta. I'm hoping we'll have an internal list in the next couple of days. We'll then discuss it amongst ourselves for a while, then ask for your (the members of this list) opinions. >> After 2.0 goes into beta the student prices will dissappear, >> the educational price will rise to $125 and the suggested >> retail price for the commercial version will be $249. 1.x >> owners will be entitled to a *free* upgrade, although they may >> be required to pick it up electronically. Chad> About student pricing - is there any chance it can be Chad> rolled into the educational price, at least after a while? Chad> When I'm at school, and didn't already have a license, it Chad> would be impossible for me (and a lot of other college Chad> students, I have a feeling) to afford $249. I know ARDI Chad> dosen't have much money (it looks like ARDI's a 9-year-old Chad> startup :) , but College students (like me in about a month Chad> or so :) have even less... Hmmm... to have less money than ARDI means to owe more than $600k. I knew college tuition had gotten steep, but that's ridiculous! In all seriousness, the question of student pricing has more to do with what sort of distribution we use. One possibility would be to have student pricing, but *only* when done through student bookstores. Again, we'll have to look at it later, after we know more about how 2.0 will be sold. --Cliff ctm@ardi.com