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Received: from elcid (ElCid.awod.com [198.81.225.35]) by sumter.awod.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA00610 for <executor-digest@nacm.com>; Thu, 13 Jul 1995 17:50:09 -0400 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 17:50:09 -0400 Message-Id: <199507132150.RAA00610@sumter.awod.com> X-Sender: spr@awod.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: executor-digest@nacm.com From: spr@awod.com (Sean P. Robertson) Subject: executor-digest V1 #209 Sender: owner-paper@nacm.com Precedence: bulk executor-digest Wednesday, 12 July 1995 Volume 01 : Number= 209 In this issue: Re: CD-ROM drive... Support for netatalk style resources? Re: CD-ROM drive... Re: CD-ROM drive... Executor 1.99n4 bugs OS/2 and Executor works! Re: OS/2 Warp - Quicker way to Executor Space in Startup disk Problem with the executorlinux199n demo Re: Support for netatalk style resources? Re: Space in Startup disk Big Downloads 1.99n4 Macintosh sounds... bloop, quack, boing, etc... 1.99n notes Found 1.99n4! Re: Space in Startup disk Re: Macintosh sounds... bloop, quack, boing, etc... Re: Space in Startup disk CD-ROM revisited... Re: Space in Startup disk 1.99n4 problems Re: Macintosh sounds... bloop, quack, boing, etc... WriteNow 4.0 spacing problem solved... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mat@ardi.com (Mat Hostetter) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 95 20:03 MDT Subject: Re: CD-ROM drive... >>>>> "Jason" =3D=3D Jason Best <ocean@TSO.Cin.IX.net> writes: Jason> Well, ever since 1.99n, I've tried to get Executor to read Jason> my CD-ROm drive...It will do DOS CDs fine, but I can't get Jason> it to read Mac disks...I currently have the latest Bleeding Jason> Edge update (199n4), and Have named the CD ROM drive J and Jason> H, it worked neither time...And the problem with it reading Jason> anything off the directories of the DOS CDs still Jason> exists...I haven't tried it with any otehr versions of Jason> Exec, as I just obtained the CDs... I am running E/D Jason> 1.99n4 on a P-90, 8 meg RAM, 1 gig HD... If you start Executor with a DOS CD in the CD-ROM drive, it treats that drive as a DOS drive forever, even when you switch CD's. This isn't at all obvious. Do you still lose when you start Executor with a Mac CD in the drive? - -Mat ------------------------------ From: Alan Shutko <ats@eliot42.wustl.edu> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 00:08:41 -0500 Subject: Support for netatalk style resources? Are there any plans to support the netatalk (and I think CAP, but I am not sure) method of storing AppleDouble files? ie, putting the resources in a .AppleDouble/ directory. This would certainly make it easier for people who have it running to interoperate with real macs, as well as make it easier to install stuff. Also, has anyone gotten the MS Office (4.2) install to work? It just segv's for me. (E/L 1.99n) =20 ------------------------------ From: justin@dragon.axs.net Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 11:13:19 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: CD-ROM drive... Well, who know, pretty soon this software will be the best on the market!=20 It is fast on a P-90. I have a 386SX/16MHZ and it runs SLOW, but I know=20 that is the problem. I have ran it but it keeps on giving me problems.=20 When it runs the video is normal (kinda slow type). Pretty soon this=20 software will be the PowerPc type software. BTW, can it multi-task, or=20 run mac games off the HD. On Tue, 11 Jul 1995, Jason Best wrote: > Well, ever since 1.99n, I've tried to get Executor to read my CD-ROm > drive...It will do DOS CDs fine, but I can't get it to read Mac disks...I > currently have the latest Bleeding Edge update (199n4), and Have named the= CD > ROM drive J and H, it worked neither time...And the problem with it= reading > anything off the directories of the DOS CDs still exists...I haven't tried= it > with any otehr versions of Exec, as I just obtained the CDs... > I am running E/D 1.99n4 on a P-90, 8 meg RAM, 1 gig HD... > later > -ocean >=20 ------------------------------ From: Fred Salerno <salernof@gate.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 01:41:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: CD-ROM drive... I downloaded the newer EXE file for 1.99n DOS and it gives me the "run=20 out of memory error, try smaller applzone" now, which it didnt do with=20 the older 199n. Also, if U se my PS2 mouse on it, executor freezes after 30 seconds or so... I tried different mouse drivers. yet it works fine if I use my serial mouse. Didnt have these 2 problems in 1.99n (July 4 build). Dunno why... I also tried a clean boot, but that only solves the memory problem. ------------------------------ From: Hugh Mclenaghan <hughmcl@chem.gla.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 09:24:49 +0100 Subject: Executor 1.99n4 bugs Hi, The Hard disk problems with executor are now fixed with 1.99n4 for DOS. It will see any directory on my hard-disks C & D. I do have a CD rom drive which it ONLY sees the root directory of. When you click on a subdirectory it shows up as an empty directory even when there are files in there. =20 I am using MS DOS 6.2, 486DX2 66, 12MB RAM, Mitsumi Single Speed CD ROM, any MS DOS CD. =20 Hugh McLenaghan ------------------------------ From: rrs0030@ibm.net (Steve Sinnott) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 95 09:28:18 EDT Subject: OS/2 and Executor works! Ah-HAH! Finally found out why it doesn't work on my home PC.. Typically, I keep a Audio CD in my Mitsumi, as I tend to listen to music while I work. This is what was locking up my system. If I leave my default Audio CD (Best of the Doors, disk 1...) in the CD, Executor will hit the A drive, then the HD, then the CD-Rom will flash for a _very_ short time, and then the system locks up. Note that I am not dumb enough to try to have it playing while I run Executor. If I have a Mac or PC CD-Rom, no problem. It seems to be OS/2-specific, too. Didn't happen when I booted to Dos and ran Executor a few days ago. Also, if I put in a "The Disc" from CD-Rom Today magazine (I highly recommend it, $8 for a Mac & PC CD-Rom isn't bad), then it will create 2 new drives in Loser, an "F" drive and a "The Disc" drive. See, those disks have both Mac and Dos formats on them. I can access the Mac portion with no problems, but if I try the "F" drive, no matter if I hit it before the Mac part or not, Executor locks up. CD-Rom does not flash or anything, the cursor freezes, and I have to task switch back to OS/2 and kill the Executor VDM. I'm not sure about if it happens in Dos on this one.=20 All this is happening on 199n3, BTW. I'm downloading 199n4 as I type this. But it's working on my home PC. Cool. - - Steve Sinnott Networking and Operating Systems Specialist, SCS Consulting Services, Inc. ------------------------------ From: huntercr@cs.purdue.edu (Charles Hunter) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 09:31:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: OS/2 Warp - Quicker way to Executor >=20 > Just thought I'd mention a quicker way to get E/D1.99n up and > running under OS/2 warp (although anyone who's struggled to get warp fully > functional may already have worked it out!). Instead of the somewhat > tiresome method of booting a virtual DOS session from floppy (I'm always > misplacing the damned disk), you can set up an DOS boot disk image file= on > your hard disk & use it instead. This methods a bit quicker and a lot more > convienient.=20 [ Docemented Disk image procedure deleted ] This is good information and all, but why would anyone need to do it anyway? E/D works under OS/2 normal dos sessions [ MDOS ] just fine. In fact, I would recommend *not* running from disk image, as VMB's take up alot more processing time than VDM's. A little confused, Charles Hunter >=20 >=20 > Regards > Kym. >=20 ------------------------------ From: Sang Jin Hong <sangjin+@CMU.EDU> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 10:33:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Space in Startup disk When I tried to install Maelstorm 1.4 in E/D. I get this 'Insufficient Space in Startup Disk to create Temporary file' (something like that) error message. I have made a 5 meg HFV, in which I tried this installer (that comes with Maelstorm). I am suspecting that Maelstorm wants to craete a temp file in startup disk, my guess is in system volume. How can I increase ites capacity? or am I totally off the wall? Has anyone try to install Maelstorm before? Thanks. .sjh. ------------------------------ From: Fredrik Nehr <Fredrik_Nehr@IVAB.SE> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 17:45:58 +0200 Subject: Problem with the executorlinux199n demo When I start executor the first screen appears ok, but when i click the demo button the only thing that happens is that the computer starts swapping, the executor process grows and grows until the computer dies and I have to flip the power switch. This is my configuration: 486DX-33 16MB RAM 16MB Swap. XFree86 3.1.1 I have tried with the following linux kernels: 1.3.9 1.2.11 1.2.0 The problem remains the same... /FN - ----------------------------------------------------------- Fredrik Nehr IV DocEye AB E-mail: fredrik_nehr@ivab.se Teknikringen 5 Phone: +46 13 200 198 S-583 30 Link=F6ping Fax: +46 13 214 897 Sweden ------------------------------ From: ctm@ardi.com (Clifford Thomas Matthews) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 95 10:04 MDT Subject: Re: Support for netatalk style resources? >>>>> "Alan" =3D=3D Alan Shutko <ats@eliot42.wustl.edu> writes: Alan> Are there any plans to support the netatalk (and I think Alan> CAP, but I am not sure) method of storing AppleDouble files? Alan> ie, putting the resources in a .AppleDouble/ directory. Alan> This would certainly make it easier for people who have it Alan> running to interoperate with real macs, as well as make it Alan> easier to install stuff. After 2.0 is out we'll look into supporting a wide variety of file formats. Apple's "Apple Double" format is so brain dead that most programs that have to stor Mac files on a non-Mac filesystem use their own format, and netatalk is just one example of this. However, there are so many of these (AUFS is different, uShare is different, etc.) that right now we stick with the "standard" and will deal with the others later. Alan> Also, has anyone gotten the MS Office (4.2) install to work? Alan> It just segv's for me. (E/L 1.99n) I don't think it works now. Getting Word 6 and Excel 5 to run will be fairly high priority over the next few weeks, although getting the installers to go is less of a priority. --Cliff ctm@ardi.com =20 ------------------------------ From: ctm@ardi.com (Clifford Thomas Matthews) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 95 11:14 MDT Subject: Re: Space in Startup disk >>>>> "Sang" =3D=3D Sang Jin Hong <sangjin+@CMU.EDU> writes: Sang> When I tried to install Maelstorm 1.4 in E/D. I get this Sang> 'Insufficient Space in Startup Disk to create Temporary Sang> file' (something like that) error message. I have made a 5 Sang> meg HFV, in which I tried this installer (that comes with Sang> Maelstorm). I am suspecting that Maelstorm wants to craete Sang> a temp file in startup disk, my guess is in system volume. Sang> How can I increase ites capacity? or am I totally off the Sang> wall? Has anyone try to install Maelstorm before? Currently there are two major classes of application installers that are known not to work with Executor. Installers based on Apple's Installer break, and installers based on Bill Goodman's "Smaller Installer" also do not work. An example of the former is Microsoft Word 5's installer, an example of the latter is Maelstrom 1.4. The exact reasons these installers is not known. We have made some progress with "Smaller Installer" based installers and hope to have them running by the time 2.0 ships; we are less sure about Installers based on Apple's installer. The particular error message that Maelstrom's new installer produces is misleading; there is nothing you as a user can to to make the installer work -- it will require fixes made to Executor. --Cliff ------------------------------ From: george portell iii <75567.716@compuserve.com> Date: 12 Jul 95 13:23:17 EDT Subject: Big Downloads You guys are doing a great job! Minimal funding(of which I am a part sn#x),small staff despite this you have produced a great product. You even= have a following(of which I am a part).So when you put out an update there MUCH= use of the modem. I'm suprised that you=20 still haven't downsized your download files. I believe most of your users= could get by on=20 just a .zip file of the exsystem.hfv ,executor.exe and any other updated= files. Putting these files where they belong and running the program isn't a big deal. What is a= big deal is down loading the same demos and misc files each time. You can probably save= yourself a little bit of hassle by separating your exdemos.hfv into your HFV= directory. Your HFV directory is an excellent idea.Can users contribute?If so how?A simple=20 disclaimer in your log on, for those who don't know what "copyright" means, would be in order.I would post some useful shareware in zipped .hfv's.Users could upload= you shareware that they would like to see running, in a different directory. A simple README zipped with each upload would probably be a good idea. My two cents George=20 ------------------------------ From: InUtero0@aol.com Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 14:03:06 -0400 Subject: 1.99n4 I also downloaded the new does executor file (1.99n4). Just before it gets= to the splash screen I get a divide by zero. ------------------------------ From: adu@ix.netcom.com (Andrew Du) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 11:05:59 -0700 Subject: Macintosh sounds... bloop, quack, boing, etc... Good day! I copied several sound effects from a Macintosh Quatra system. Is=20 there a way to convert them to a pc compatible format? ------------------------------ From: Chad Page <cpage@best.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 11:35:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: 1.99n notes =09 (I somehow haven't recieved any executor messages lately - I=20 resubsribed yesterday though.) I haven't spent much time with 1.99n, but I already have a couple=20 of thoughts : 1. When will the SVGAlib version be completed and released? It=20 looks pretty close to hackathon time now... 2. I noticed that in 1.99n, the `animation' technique is now=20 used all the time with the new blitter. It makes things a bit slower=20 under X-Windows, I'm afraid, than the cached approach used in 1.99m. 3. Pagemaker 4.2 still dosen't work - this time any attempt to=20 place a file will segfault right away. :( I did notice the bug report=20 listed in bugs.199n though... 4. What is the current release schedule? Will there be a 1.99o=20 before the hackathon? 5. Will there ever be any `alpha' releases or snapshots? It=20 seems we all have to wait a while for new full releases to come out -=20 which are beta quality. It would be nice to see more frequent releases -=20 even if they're buggier. (as in 1.99n1, n2, n3) - the ones without=20 numbers being stabilized betas. Good luck - and Executor 2.0 looks like it will be really cool=20 when it comes out! Keep it up! - Chad ------------------------------ From: Chad Page <cpage@best.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 11:41:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Found 1.99n4! =09 Well, scratch out the question about interim releases! Now it's time=20 to pull it down... :) - Chad ------------------------------ From: Fred Salerno <salernof@gate.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 14:50:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Space in Startup disk I believe you make another volume, load executor and copy all the=20 contents of the System volume into the new volume. Then exit executor and=20 delete the old system volume and rename the new HFV file as the system one. I believe you have to do something like MKVOL NEW.HFV System 10000 Thats how I did it a while back. On Wed, 12 Jul 1995, Sang Jin Hong wrote: > When I tried to install Maelstorm 1.4 in E/D. I get this 'Insufficient > Space in Startup Disk to create Temporary file' (something like that) > error message. I have made a 5 meg HFV, in which I tried this installer > (that comes with Maelstorm). I am suspecting that Maelstorm wants to > craete a temp file in startup disk, my guess is in system volume. How > can I increase ites capacity? or am I totally off the wall? Has anyone > try to install Maelstorm before? >=20 > Thanks. >=20 >=20 > .sjh. >=20 ------------------------------ From: Scott Shuchart <shuchart@husc.harvard.edu> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 15:32:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Macintosh sounds... bloop, quack, boing, etc... On Wed, 12 Jul 1995, Andrew Du wrote: > Good day! > I copied several sound effects from a Macintosh Quatra system. Is=20 > there a way to convert them to a pc compatible format? The sound is in the %-fork. It's in .sou format (or at least=20 that's what the sound editor I last used on them, Wired for Sound, called=20 them)--generally, "raw data." There will be a "click" at the beginning=20 of the sound--and maybe at the end--due to all of the headers,=20 non-resource stuff, etc. Edit those out, or cut-and-paste the good part=20 into a new file, save as a more common format (like .wav) and enjoy. You will probably have to adjust the speed of playback. I've noticed that Mac sounds are often slightly off-speed on a PC. Don't remember the numbers, but I seem to remember that 11k/sec sounds are really 11050/sec on the PC, but something else on the Mac, or something like that. I'm sure someone out here knows more about this.=20 Scott Shuchart shuchart@fas.harvard.edu ------------------------------ From: Sang Jin Hong <sangjin+@CMU.EDU> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 15:46:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Space in Startup disk Excerpts from mail: 12-Jul-95 Re: Space in Startup disk by Fred Salerno@gate.net=20 > I believe you make another volume, load executor and copy all the=20 > contents of the System volume into the new volume. Then exit executor and= =20 > delete the old system volume and rename the new HFV file as the system= one. > =20 > I believe you have to do something like MKVOL NEW.HFV System 10000 > =20 > Thats how I did it a while back. wait, were you able to install Maelstrom then? Hmm, Cliff said there is some problem installing it (using Smaller Installer engine). Has anyone successfully installed Maelstrom? or has an installed version (from Mac)that works for E/D? .sjh. ------------------------------ From: Jason Best <ocean@TSO.Cin.IX.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 16:02:31 -0400 Subject: CD-ROM revisited... Well, I dunno what I did different, but it works now...I think that my problem was this: With all the volumes/drives I had on my hotband, when I=20 loaded up the CD-ROM, the H:\ showed up, but the CD volume was outside of= the hotband...So, it works now...the Grolier Encyclopedia works flawlessly! good job guys! However, dos CDs still won't show the insides of directories....And if you have a CD with both DOS and Mac files, it'll only show the IBM files... Sorry for the false alarm...:) - -ocean ps - Just having seen the message about "The Disk", that was what I was= trying to run, only I could only access the DOS, not Mac...:) ------------------------------ From: Fred Salerno <salernof@gate.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 16:12:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Space in Startup disk No, I didnt try maelstrom. I tried Pagemaker, which puts the Aldus folder=20 in the system folder. On Wed, 12 Jul 1995, Sang Jin Hong wrote: > Excerpts from mail: 12-Jul-95 Re: Space in Startup disk by Fred > Salerno@gate.net=20 > > I believe you make another volume, load executor and copy all the=20 > > contents of the System volume into the new volume. Then exit executor= and=20 > > delete the old system volume and rename the new HFV file as the system= one. > > =20 > > I believe you have to do something like MKVOL NEW.HFV System 10000 > > =20 > > Thats how I did it a while back. >=20 > wait, were you able to install Maelstrom then? Hmm, Cliff said there is > some problem installing it (using Smaller Installer engine). >=20 > Has anyone successfully installed Maelstrom? or has an installed > version (from Mac)that works for E/D? >=20 >=20 > .sjh. >=20 ------------------------------ From: Chad Page <cpage@best.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 13:42:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: 1.99n4 problems I am experiencing segmentation faults every time I try to use=20 Shift-Alt-5 and after attempting to register my copy of Executor. I'll=20 take a look again, however... - Chad ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey A Halverson <halv0019@gold.tc.umn.edu> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 15:51:46 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Macintosh sounds... bloop, quack, boing, etc... On Wed, 12 Jul 1995, Andrew Du wrote: > Good day! >=20 > I copied several sound effects from a Macintosh Quatra system. Is=20 > there a way to convert them to a pc compatible format? >=20 >=20 Yes, its quite easy, depending on what system you are copying these to. I believe that a program called "sox" will convert these files, and is=20 available as source, compilable on any platform. =20 I use Linux, and the Lsox package available on sunsite. All I ahve to do=20 is type sox quack quack.au and it will make an .au file that I can play. sox quack quack.wav makes a .wav file. If you use DOS or OS/2, I think you can archie for something called sox=20 to do the same thing... Jeff Halverson halv0019@gold.tc.umn.edu ------------------------------ From: bbaskin@mail.utexas.edu (Bryan K. Baskin) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 95 18:08:14 EDT Subject: WriteNow 4.0 spacing problem solved... Hello Y'all, Two things: 1) I got the double spacing to work in WriteNow 4.0 without crashing. You need to flush the cache. It slows down a bunch, but it seems to have solved it. Colorizing a table still crashes E/D 1.99n3 though. 2) Graphics seem to be faster in OS/2 than under pure DOS. With VBE 2.0 & DOS, E/D, Globe shows 510 fps. Under OS/2 and VBE 2.0, Globe gets 565 fps. Also, disk IO seems less noticable, prolly due to better cacheing on OS/2's part. Same applzones, etc. Later. Baskin Co-Owner, Chief Technician=20 Team OS/2 Lil' Squiggle Computers bbaskin@mail.utexas.edu - UT Austin =09 ------------------------------ End of executor-digest V1 #209 ****************************** To subscribe to executor-digest, send the command: subscribe executor-digest in the body of a message to "Majordomo@NACM.COM". If you want to subscribe something other than the account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the "subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe "local-executor-digest": subscribe executor-digest local-executor-digest@your.domain.net A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "executor-digest" in the commands above with "executor". 
