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- Subject: FAQ: comp.lang.tcl Frequently Asked Questions (3/5)
- Newsgroups: comp.lang.tcl,comp.answers,news.answers
- From: lvirden@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
- Date: Sat, 29 Oct 1994 12:13:47 GMT
-
- Archive-name: tcl-faq/part3
- Comp-lang-tcl-archive-name: tcl-faq.part03
- Version: 6.2
- Last-modified: Oct 28, 1994
-
- For more information concerning Tcl (see "tcl-faq/part1"),
- (see "tcl-faq/part2"), (see "tcl-faq/part4") or (see "tcl-faq/part5").
-
- Index of questions:
-
- XI. Where can I get these packages?
- A. Retrieving Tcl and Tk
- B. Accessing the Tcl/Tk User Contributions Archive
- C. Expect available via e-mail.
- D. EMACS modes for Tcl
- E. The tk toolbox project
- F. [tv]grind definitions for tcl/tk/expect
- G. BNF style notation for Tcl
- H. Tk Quick Reference Card
- I. Hilit 19 Tcl mode
- J. HTML versions of Tcl man pages and FAQ.
- K. Japanese translation of Tk 3.6 manuals
- L. Latex styles for the Tcl/Tk Workshop 94.
- M. Tcl 7.3 Quick Reference card
- N. "How do I speed up a Tcl/Tk application" doc
-
- End of FAQ Index
-
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: FAQ Tcl/Tk Package Catalog
- Subject: -XI- Where can I get these packages?
-
- Tcl and Extended Tcl have been posted to comp.sources.misc in the past,
- appearing In volume 25 and then Tcl appeared again in volume 26 and can
- be found at most comp.sources.misc archive sites in the tcl and tclx
- directories. These are quite old versions actually, but are still usable.
-
- A few of the sites which either mirror the Tcl/Tk submissions or have special
- versions are:
-
- <URL:ftp://syd.dit.csiro.au/pub/tk/> <- shadow of the user contrib and base
-
- <URL:ftp://iskut.ucs.ubc.ca/pub/X11/tcl/>
-
- <URL:ftp://ftp.switch.ch/mirror/tcl/>
-
- <URL:ftp://ftp.cs.tu-berlin.de/pub/tcl/> <- Does not seem to be answering
- <URL:ftp://ftp.Germany.EU.net/pub/programming/tools/tcl/>
- <URL:ftp://ftp.hrz.uni-kassel.de/pub/tcl/> <- base
- <URL:ftp://ftp.informatik.tu-muenchen.de/pub/comp/programming/languages/tcl/>
- <URL:ftp://ftp.mpi-sb.mpg.de/pub/tcl/>
- <URL:ftp://ftp.tu-bs.de/pub/languages/tcl/>
- <URL:ftp://ftp.uni-paderborn.de/unix/tcl/>
-
- <URL:ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/languages/tcl/> <- user archive
-
- <URL:ftp://ftp.ibp.fr/pub/tcl/> <- shadow of base,user,expect,
- ak, tkwin, and comp.lang.tcl archive
- <URL:ftp://ftp.jussieu.fr/pub/tcl/>
-
- <URL:ftp://ftphost.comp.vuw.ac.nz/> <- VUW
-
- <URL:ftp://ftp.sra.co.jp/pub/lang/tcl/>
- <URL:ftp://oskgate0.mei.co.jp/free/X/toolkits/tcl/> <- shadow of ftp.cs only
-
- <URL:ftp://ftp.ncc.up.pt/pub/tcl/code/> <- some code mirrored
-
- <URL:ftp://ftp.luth.se/pub/languages/tcl/> <- some code mirrored
- <URL:ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/lang/tcl/> <- some code mirrored
-
- <URL:ftp://src.doc.ic.ac.uk/packages/tcl/tcl-archive> <- shadow of user archive
- <URL:ftp://src.doc.ic.ac.uk/usenet/news.answers/comp.lang.tcl/> <- shadow of
- FAQs
- <URL:ftp://unix.hensa.ac.uk/pub/yggdrasil/usr/lib/xf-2.3/>
-
- <URL:ftp://ftp.aud.alcatel.com/tcl/> <- the original home of user
- contribution archive
- <URL:ftp://ftp.cs.berkeley.edu/ucb/tcl/> <- original home of Tcl/Tk base code
- <URL:ftp://ftp.cs.columbia.edu/pub/archives/tcl/> <- shadow of user, etc.
- <URL:ftp://ftp.neosoft.com/pub/tcl/distrib> <- original home of TclX
- <URL:ftp://ftp.sterling.com/programming/languages/tcl/>
- <URL:ftp://ftp.uu.net/languages/tcl/> <- shadow of base code only
- <URL:ftp://gatekeeper.dec.com/pub/UCB/tcl/sprite/> <- shadow of base only
- <URL:ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/languages/tcl/>
- <URL:ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/> <- contains port of extended Tcl and
- extended Tk to this OS.
-
- Note also that there are a number of CD-ROMs now available with a snapshot
- of various Tcl archive sites on them. (See "tcl-faq/bibliography/part1")
- for details.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: -XI- Where can I get these packages?
- Subject: -A- Retrieving Tcl and Tk
-
-
- >From: ouster@cs.Berkeley.EDU (John Ousterhout)
- >Newsgroups: comp.lang.tcl
- >Subject: Obtaining Tcl/Tk sources
-
- For people new to the Tcl/Tk community, here is information on how
- to obtain Tcl and Tk sources. The information below describes what
- I distribute; other information is available from other machines
- also, such as ftp.aud.alcatel.com.
-
- The sources and documentation for the Tcl command
- language library, for the Tk toolkit, and for a few Tcl-based
- applications, are in the public FTP area on ftp.cs.berkeley.edu.
- All of these files are in the "tcl" subdirectory of the FTP area.
- Here is a catalog of what's available. Most of the files are
- compressed tar files ("xxx.tar.Z"). There is some overlap
- between the contents of the various packages.
-
-
- tk3.6.tar.Z - This is the latest and most stable release of the
- Tk toolkit, released in November 1993 (patch level
- 206). It includes the sources for the Tk library
- and the "wish" windowing shell, plus reference
- manual entries and a number of demonstration scripts.
-
- tk3.6p1.patch.Z - Patch file that fixes bugs in Tk version 3.6.
- See the beginning of the patch file for information
- about the bugs it fixes and how to apply it.
-
- tcl7.3.tar.Z - This is the latest and most stable release of the
- Tcl library, released in November 1993 (patch level
- 106). It includes the sources for the Tcl library
- and the "tclsh" application, plus reference manual
- entries.
-
- tclX7.3b.tar.Z - Extended Tcl (or NeoSoft Tcl), created by Mark
- Diekhans and Karl Lehenbauer, which adds a number
- of useful facilities to the base Tcl release.
- Among the things in Extended Tcl are a Tcl shell,
- many new commands for things like UNIX kernel
- call access, keyed lists, and time conversion, and an
- on-line help facility. This package works with Tcl
- versions 7.3 or later and Tk versions 3.6 or later.
-
- mx.tar.Z - Sources and documentation for a mouse-based text
- editor (mx) and terminal emulator (tx) based on
- Tcl. This is a very old release: it uses an old
- version of Tcl (which is included) and doesn't
- even use Tk; it uses an ancient toolkit called
- "Sx". These tools will eventually be replaced
- with new tools based on Tk and the newest Tcl.
-
- mx-2.5.tar.Z - Newer version of mx (see above) that uses the
- standard X selection mechanism rather than the
- home-grown mechanism used by previous versions.
- Version 2.5 is not backwards compatible with
- previous versions (you can't cut and paste between
- the two). Still uses sx and an old version of
- Tcl (both of which are included).
-
- book.p*.ps.Z Compressed Postscript for an early draft of the
- book "Tcl and the Tk Toolkit", which was published
- by Addison-Wesley in April 1994 (ISBN 0-201-63337-X).
- The draft is in four parts, each in a separate file.
- You're probably better off with the published version
- of the book, though; it has a number of improvements
- and an index.
-
- book.p1.ps.Z This part describes the Tcl language and how to write
- scripts in it. About 130 pages in length.
-
- book.p2.ps.Z This part of the book describes how to write
- Tcl scripts for Tk. About 125 pages in length.
-
- book.p3.ps.Z This part of the book describes how to write Tcl
- applications in C, using the Tcl library procedure.
- 64 pages in length.
-
- book.p4.ps.Z This part of the book describes how to write new
- widgets and geometry managers in C, using the Tk
- library procedures. About 70 pages in length.
-
- book.examples.Z Compressed file containing ASCII text for nearly all
- of the examples from the Tcl book.
-
- tclUsenix90.ps - Postscript for a paper on Tcl that appeared in the
- Winter 1990 USENIX Conference.
-
- tkUsenix91.ps - Postscript for a paper on Tk that appeared in the
- Winter 1991 USENIX Conference.
-
- tkF10.ps - Postscript for Figure 10 of the Tk paper.
-
- tut.tar.Z - A collection of materials from a full-day tutorial
- on Tcl and Tk. Includes viewgraphs from five one-hour
- talks plus a sample widget.
-
- tc-tcl93.ps.gz - PostScript formatted copy of Tcl Compiler paper
- presented at the Tcl'93 Workshop.
-
- tc-tcl93.tex.gz - LaTeX source for the Tcl Compiler paper presented
- at the Tcl'93 Workshop.
-
-
- In addition, there may be older releases of some or all of the above
- files; look for files with earlier release numbers.
-
-
- To retrieve any or all of these packages, use anonymous FTP to
- ftp.cs.berkeley.edu (Internet address 128.32.149.78). Use user
- "anonymous"; when asked for a password, type your email address. Then
- retrieve the relevant file(s) with the commands like the following:
- type image (try "type binary" if this command is rejected)
- cd tcl
- get tk3.6.tar.Z
-
- Be sure to retrieve files in image mode (type "type image" to FTP)
- in order to make sure that you end up with a corrupted file.
-
- Any file with a .Z extension is a compressed file, which means you must
- use the "uncompress" program to get back a normal file. For example, for
- the file tk3.6.tar.Z, you should type
-
- uncompress tk3.6.tar.Z
-
- once you've retrieved the file. This will produce a file named "tk3.6.tar".
- Then you will need to use tar to extract the members. Typically one
- would use a command such as:
-
- tar xv tk3.6.tar
-
- to extract the pieces.
-
- Any file with a .gz extension is a file compressed with gzip, the gnu
- portable compression standard. To get a copy, ftp to prep.ai.mit.edu and
- look in pub/gnu. For example, to uncompress tc-tcl93.ps.gz, type
-
- gunzip tc-tcl93.ps.gz
-
- once you've retrieved the file. This will produce a file named "tc-tcl93.ps".
-
- Each of the releases has a README file in the top-level directory that
- describes how to compile the release, where to find documentation, etc.
-
- Questions or problems about any of these distributions should be directed
- to John.Ousterhout@eng.sun.com (John Ousterhout).
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: -XI- Where can I get these packages?
- Subject: -B- Accessing the Tcl/Tk User Contributions Archive
-
- Contributions to the Tcl/Tk Contrib Archive are most welcome --
- please upload them to:
-
- <URL:ftp://ftp.aud.alcatel.com/tcl/incoming/>
-
- send the archive maintainer <tcl-archive@aur.alcatel.com> a note stating
- the names of the files you uploaded and a brief description for the
- index.
-
- Users without FTP capability should use one of the following mail-based
- FTP services (send mail to the appropriate address with "help" in the
- body):
-
- BITNET users: BITFTP <bitftp@pucc.princeton.edu>
- Others: ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com (DEC ftpmail)
- Europe: ftpmail@grasp1.univ-lyon1.fr
- mail-server@ftp.tu-clausthal.de
-
- WARNING! The archive maintainer will NOT be automatically archiving anything
- posted to comp.lang.tcl or previously to the mailing list. So if you want
- your nifty porting instructions for getting Tcl up on your Seiko wrist watch
- or your pen computer to be saved for others benefit, be sure to ftp them into
- the archive.
-
- All submissions should be ftp'ed into the above subdirectory. Please
- send tcl-archive@aur.alcatel.com and a short mail message stating
- the filename(s) of your contribution and a brief description (for the
- Index). If you've posted some code to comp.lang.tcl or the Tcl mailing
- list, and you want it to be archived at this site, please deposit it in
- /tcl/incoming or mail it in a suitable form (preferably uuencoded
- compressed tar file, but a shar file's OK) to tcl-archive@aur.alcatel.com.
-
- Note: I have noticed that some authors prefer to use plain names rather than
- version level type names. This means that you should a) make note of when
- you get a package, and b) check the archive occasionally to see if a newer
- version of the package has appeared.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: -XI- Where can I get these packages?
- Subject: -C- Expect available via e-mail.
-
- Besides being available via <URL:ftp://ftp.cme.nist.gov/pub/expect/>,
- expect can also be received by email by sending the message
- "send pub/expect/expect.shar.Z" to library@cme.nist.gov .
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: -XI- Where can I get these packages?
- Subject: -D- EMACS modes for Tcl
-
- snl+@cs.cmu.edu (Sean Levy) has hacked a version of Emacs's C mode into
- a tcl-mode.el. He mentions that you must use semi-colons at the end
- of each statement to get indentation to work right, but he found that
- easier than doing without.
-
- The code is on [128.2.214.236]
- <URL:ftp://ftp.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/user/snl/pub/tcl-mode.el.z>
- (don't forget binary mode) as well as
- <URL:ftp://ftp.aud.alcatel.com/tcl/distrib/tcl-mode.el.Z>.
-
- jules@kauri.vuw.ac.nz (Julian Anderson) was also working on an Emacs Tcl
- minor mode to fundamental.
-
- cjl@lcs.mit.edu (Chris Lindblad) has contributed tcl.el, a Tcl mode for
- GNU emacs. It's address is
- <URL:ftp://ftp.aud.alcatel.com/tcl/extensions/tcl.el>.
-
- tromey@cns.caltech.edu (Tom Tromey) has contributed a tcl.el which is
- better than his former tcl-help.el. This is a modified version of
- Chris Lindblad's Tcl editing mode. This new editing mode contains the
- help code, a tcl interaction mode, menus, font lock support, etc. It
- is available on the Emacs Lisp Archive at
- <URL:ftp://archive.cis.ohio-state.edu/pub/emacs/elisp-archive/modes/tcl.el.Z>
-
- and on
-
- <URL:ftp://ftp.aud.alcatel.com/tcl/extensions/tcl.el.gz>
-
- schmid@fb3-s7.math.TU-Berlin.DE (Gregor Schmid) has written a major mode
- for tcl scripts. He posted tcl-mode 1.1 to gnu.emacs.sources in March and
- it should be on archive.cis.ohio-state.edu - but I am not able to
- locate it.
-
- The latest version of xemacs (formerly lemacs) mentions that it has
- a tcl-mode built in.
-
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: -XI- Where can I get these packages?
- Subject: -E- The tk toolbox project
-
- The Tk Toolbox & Toolchest project.
-
- The Toolchest consists of convenience routines for Tcl and Tk - a kind of a
- libc for Tcl. The toolbox is a collection of commonly used code and
- some specialized code such as file selectors, dialogs that take care of
- keyboard traversal through items automatically, etc.
-
- The project has currently not yet reached a usable state, but each formal
- release will be announced in comp.lang.tcl as well as other newsgroups.
-
- There has been, in the past, a mailing list for discussion of the tk toolbox,
- kindly provided by Ari Lemmke. To subscribe, write a message with the line:
- X-Mn-Admin: join tktools
-
- in the body or header of the message. Send this message to
- linux-activists-request@niksula.cs.hut.fi .
-
- To write to the list, send messages to to
- linux-activists@niksula.cs.hut.fi
- and add the line
- X-Mn-Key: TKTOOLS
- to the header or the body of the message. Especially remember this when
- replying to messages from the list.
-
- For more info about the list server (mailnet), write
- an empty message to linux-activists-request@niksula.cs.hut.fi .
-
- The intermediate snapshots are announced on this mailing list.
-
- If you have problems or are willing to donate code or whatever,
- you can contact the code maintainer (one of the three main implementors)
- at tlukka@snakemail.hut.fi or lukka@helsinki.fi .
-
- Unfortunately, the development effort has currently come to a stop on this
- project and it is not yet known when it will be started again.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: -XI- Where can I get these packages?
- Subject: -F- [tv]grind definitions for tcl/tk/expect
-
- M.T.Hamilton@lut.ac.uk (Martin Hamilton) has come up with a preliminary
- grindcap definition for Tcl, Tk and expect. These are available as:
- <URL:ftp://ftp.aud.alcatel.com/tcl/docs/vgrind.defs>
- <URL:ftp://ftp.aud.alcatel.com/tcl/docs/vgrind.defs.README>
-
-
- andyr@wizzy.com (Andy Rabagliati) has come up with a preliminary grindcap
- definition for Tcl. Contact him for more details.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: -XI- Where can I get these packages?
- Subject: -G- BNF style notation for Tcl
-
- tb06@CS2.cc.lehigh.edu (TERRENCE MONROE BRANNON) in July of 1993, posted
- some yacc code for a tcl-to-c parser. This, along with Adam Sah's Tcl
- compiler, are a couple of sources with which folk could start.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: -XI- Where can I get these packages?
- Subject: -H- Tk Quick Reference Card
-
- raines@bohr.physics.upenn.edu (Paul E. Raines) has uploaded a quick
- reference card for Tk 3.3. You may find it at:
-
- <URL:ftp://ftp.aud.alcatel.com/tcl/docs/tkrefcard.tar.gz>
- <URL:ftp://bohr.physics.upenn.edu/pub/tk/tkrefcard.tar.gz>
-
- The tar contains the TeX and PostScript versions of a 3 column listing
- of all widget methods and options and summaries of the wm, winfo, pack,
- place and bind commands.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: -XI- Where can I get these packages?
- Subject: -I- Hilit 19 Tcl mode
-
- AI. Aaron Roydhouse <aaron@comp.vuw.ac.nz> wrote, and
- Julian.Anderson@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Julian Anderson) posted, the following:
-
- (hilit-set-mode-patterns
- 'tcl-mode
- '(("\\s #.*$" nil comment)
- ("^#.*$" nil comment)
- ("\"[^\\\"]*\\(\\\\\\(.\\|\n\\)[^\\\"]*\\)*\"" nil string)
- ("\\$[-_a-zA-Z]+" nil varref)
- ("^source.*$" nil include)
- ("\\b\\(global\\|upvar\\)\\b" nil decl)
- ("\\b\\(error\\|debug\\)\\b" nil decl)
- ("^\\s *proc\\s +\\(\\w\\|[_']\\)+" nil defun)
- ("\\b\\(set\\|lset\\|list\\|if\\|case\\|while\\|switch\\|then\\|else\\|
- for\\|foreach\\|return\\|expr\\|catch\\)\\b" nil keyword)))
-
- Dwight Shih <dwight@crl.com> later posted the following font lock mode:
-
- (defvar tcl-font-lock-keywords
- (list
- (list (concat "\\b\\("
- (mapconcat 'identity
- '("set" "lset" "list" "if" "case" "while"
- "switch" "then" "else" "for" "foreach"
- "return" "expr" "catch" "puts" "proc"
- "trace")
- "\\|")
- "\\)\\b")
- 1 'font-lock-keyword-face t)
- (list (concat "\\b\\("
- (mapconcat 'identity
- '("global" "upvar" "uplevel" "error" "debug")
- "\\|")
- "\\)\\b")
- 1 'font-lock-type-face t)
- (list "^\\s *proc\\s +\\(\\(\\w\\|[_']\\)+\\)" 1 'font-lock-function-name-fac
- e t))
- "keywords for tcl-mode")
-
- (defun font-lock-set-defaults ()
- "Set `font-lock-keywords' to something appropriate for this mode."
- (setq font-lock-keywords
- (cond ((eq major-mode 'lisp-mode) lisp-font-lock-keywords)
- ((eq major-mode 'emacs-lisp-mode) lisp-font-lock-keywords)
- ((eq major-mode 'c-mode) c-font-lock-keywords)
- ((eq major-mode 'c++-c-mode) c-font-lock-keywords)
- ((eq major-mode 'c++-mode) c++-font-lock-keywords)
- ((eq major-mode 'tex-mode) tex-font-lock-keywords)
- ((eq major-mode 'perl-mode) perl-font-lock-keywords)
- ((eq major-mode 'tcl-mode) tcl-font-lock-keywords)
- ((eq major-mode 'texinfo-mode) texi-font-lock-keywords)
- (t nil))))
-
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: -XI- Where can I get these packages?
- Subject: -J- HTML versions of Tcl man pages and FAQ.
-
- Mike Hopkirk <hops@x.co.uk> has provided a tar archive of HyperText Markup
- Language (HTML) versions of the comp.lang.tcl FAQ, the Tcl/Tk man pages,
- index pages for the man pages, and a top level access page to tie together
- all the above. It is
-
- <URL:ftp://ftp.aud.alcatel.com/tcl/docs/tclhtml.tar.z>
-
- Note that once these have been untarred, one can use a WorldWideWeb (WWW)
- browser such as Mosaic, Lynx, etc. to begin at the Tcl.html page and read
- the entire distribution. The original source of this package can be
- examined at:
- <URL:http://www.sco.com/IXI/of_interest/tcl/Tcl.html>
-
- Having the package in this way provides a means for those behind a firewall
- to examine the docs frozen at this point in time. There are no commitments
- to continue providing updates to this package.
-
- The man pages provided here were made using a perl script called
- man2html originally written by bcutter@paradyne.com (Brooks Cutter)
- and slightly post processed.
-
- Note that the Tcl and Tk man pages are also available courtesy of Tom Phelps
- <phelps@CS.Berkeley.EDU>, who has made the man pages available
- at <URL:ftp://ftp.cs.berkeley.edu/pub/mhgs/tcltk/tcltk-man.html.tar.Z>
- where, Tom tells us, they will be deleted later after TkMan has been updated
- to generate these pages automatically.
-
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: -XI- Where can I get these packages?
- Subject: -K- Japanese translation of Tk 3.6 manuals
-
- Toshiya Kitayama <kitayama@sra.co.jp> and nakaya@sra.co.jp have made
- a Japanese translation of Tk 3.6 manual pages except pack-old.n available
- at <URL:ftp://ftp.sra.co.jp/pub/lang/tcl/jp/tk3.6jp.man.tar.gz>. If
- you have questions or comments, send them to tcl-jp-bugs@sra.co.jp.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: -XI- Where can I get these packages?
- Subject: -L- Latex styles for the Tcl/Tk Workshop 94.
-
- Yasuro Kawata <yasuro@maekawa.is.uec.ac.jp> released the Latex styles as
- well as a sample document and sample .dvi file to the news group. Contact
- this user directly for a copy.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: -XI- Where can I get these packages?
- Subject: -M- Tcl 7.3 Quick Reference card
-
- Jeff Tranter <Jeff.Tranter@software.mitel.com> has written a Tcl Quick
- Reference document in TeX. A PostScript version of the document is
- provided in the file as well.
-
- <URL:ftp://ftp.aud.alcatel.com/tcl/docs/QuickRef.tar.gz>
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: -XI- Where can I get these packages?
- Subject: -N- "How do I speed up a Tcl/Tk application" doc
-
- <URL:ftp://ftp.aud.alcatel.com/tcl/docs/speedup.doc.gz>
-
- is a text document with examples on how to speed up Tcl/Tk applications.
-
- Thanks to Stephen O. Lidie <lusol@turkey.cc.lehigh.edu> for the work!
-
- ------------------------------
- End of comp.lang.tcl Frequently Asked Questions (3/5)
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-
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