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- [ Mailing Lists - Part 1 ] [ By The Chief ]
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- () by The Chief ()
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- "...to hate or not to hate, that is the question."
- - Mr. E
-
- Are you surprised that the US '96 election is broadcasted on more TV
- channels in Sweden than the Swedish '94 election? Well then you're reading
- the wrong file.
-
- If you are, on the other hand, thinking about starting a mailing list,
- then you are indeed reading the correct file. So, you are thinking about
- starting a mailing list! Good for you! Or.. bad for you? Are you sure you
- know what you are doing, or is everything new to you? Will you survive
- all the surprises waiting around the corner? Let us give you some hints
- in this first part, where we take a look at what you need to think about
- before your mailing list is actually up and running.
-
- Some of you probably think that these hints are useless, and not even
- worth to mention. "It is obvious" you might say. Well, no one told you
- to read this file, right? This file is _not_ a mailing list FAQ (there
- are plenty good ones out there) and it is _not_ a manual on how to set
- up mailing list software (you'll get that with the software you choose).
-
- This file is written for those who have no idea about what they are getting
- themselves involved with, and let's face it, more and more people are hooking
- up to the Internet, more and more people want to start their own mailing list,
- and how many do you think know what to think about, have knowledge about how
- mailing lists work, or have experience from running mailing lists? Who has
- not seen mailing lists going from something that appears to be a great idea,
- with discussions from interested people, about the selected topic, to absolute
- chaos?
-
- I believe that these mailing lists have been badly planned, badly thought
- out, badly run and in the end, badly handled. Why not try to eliminate
- these problems from the start, from the first simple thought "I want to
- create a mailing list", instead of watching mailing lists start only to
- die a couple of months later?
-
- Then again, I'm not saying that I am an expert, and that this is absolutely
- everything you need to think of. I have only run about ten mailing lists for
- about four years (give or take), and I know there are people with a lot more
- experience and expertise out there. I'm merely trying to point out that when
- you start a mailing list, you have to be aware of some of the problems you
- will have to deal with, and the consequences it will have on you, your
- subscribers, and the system you are running it on.
-
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
- So, why not start with the basic and trivial things you should think about.
-
- 1. In what area of interest will your mailing list be placed?
- 2. Are there enough people interested in that area of interest to make
- it an active mailing list?
- 3. You can't have a mailing list about "Animals".
- 4. What? There is a list about Cats already?
- 5. I can't find a mailing list about my topic anywhere!
- 6. Tell the world about your *plans* for the mailing list!
- 7. Create your mailing list.
- 8. The Software
- 9. Resources
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- 1. In what area of interest will your mailing list be placed?
- - Decide *what* your mailing list will be about first. If you do not
- know this now, then you can stop reading. If you *do* know, then
- you're still with us. Say for example that your area of interest
- will be "Animals". Okay, then you are ready to go ahead to number 2.
-
- 2. Are there enough people interested in that area of interest to make
- it an active mailing list?
- - No matter what area of interest you have chosen, you'll find that
- there are people around with the same interest. You don't believe me?
- Try to pick one single area that you think no one will be interested
- in? Animals? No. Stamps? No. Grass? No. The sun? No. Right. So, don't
- sit there doing nothing! Move on to number 3!
-
- 3. You can't have a mailing list about "Animals".
- - You see, you have to specialize your mailing list. Give it a target,
- a specific subject within the area of interest you have chosen.
- But, just for a second, let's say that you chose "Animals" and
- start a mailing list. How will you get people to subscribe to your
- list? "Hey, I've got a list about animals!" No, I don't think so,
- unless you want a million subscribers talking about everything
- from cats in trees to dinosaurs. Try it if you want though. It
- would be fun to see how such a list would turn out. No, let's
- face it. You have to make your list special. So move on to nr 4.
-
- 4. What? There is a list about Cats already?
- - Of course there is. There are several thousand mailing lists
- about several thousand special topics, and if you try to start
- one about something that already exists, then you're just plain
- stupid. Of course you have to check if there *is* a mailing list
- covering the topic you want your list to handle. If there is
- one, well just subscribe to that one, or think of another topic
- if you desperately want to have your own list. There are several
- places on the net where you can check this, like the "List of
- Mailing Lists" for example. That's a good place to start. It is
- available on the web, through FTP and through Usenet News.
-
- 5. I can't find a mailing list about my topic anywhere!
- - Good! Then you are on your way. But, let's face it, if you chose
- something like "Animals with three legs" then you'll have a hard
- time finding people with the same interest. On the other hand, if
- you already have a steady base of people with an interest in three
- legged animals, say in a Usenet Newsgroup, then you are all set.
- Go ahead.
-
- 6. Tell the world about your *plans* for the mailing list!
- - That's right. You can now announce that you are *planning* to start
- such a mailing list, on the Usenet Newsgroup, or in an appropriate
- place for announcing new mailing lists. DO NOT announce your plans
- for your mailing list on other unrelated mailing lists or in other
- unrelated Newsgroups - you will suffer if you do. Say for example
- that you chose "Animals with three legs". Do you think that people
- who are interested in Cars will be interested in your list? No, I
- don't think so. So, post your plans on mailing lists and Newsgroups
- *related* to "Animals", and perhaps "three legged things", or even
- "weirdos", (what do I know, there might actually be people out there
- with serious and genuine interest in three legged animals)? Anyway,
- the point is to generate some interest, to start a discussion, to
- find out if it really *is* a good idea to start this list. Without
- interest, no list. So, what will it be? A new list, or no list at
- all? A new list you say? Well, number 7 is next.
-
- 7. Create your mailing list.
- - Now when you know that people are interested in your topic, it is
- time to decide if you want to run your own mailing list program or
- perhaps let a dedicated server your internet supplier, or someone
- else, provides you with handle it.
-
- - The second choice (if available) is not as good as it may seem. The
- dedicated server may handle hundreds of mailing lists, and run old
- and problematic mailing list software. The software problem is
- essential in several ways. If the server handles several hundred
- mailing lists, no one will even want to think about changing the
- software to something better, more secure or easier to work with.
- A change would mean that each and every mailing list on the server,
- and each and every subscriber on those lists, as well as every place
- where information about the mailing lists are presented (such as in
- lists of mailing lists) will also need some sort of change. For
- example, a small change in the list commands, like "subscribe" and
- "unsubscribe" to something else, say "add" and "remove", will create
- an enormous amount of extra work for the mailing list owners, and in
- turn, everyone in any way related to the mailing lists. The subscribers
- will need to know, the places where the lists are listed, presented and
- discussed will need to know. And for one hundred mailing lists, you
- can imagine the amount of work that has to be done. So, even though
- this choice is attractive, and is the easiest way to set up and run a
- mailing list, it might just as well be the downfall of your mailing
- list in the end.
-
- - The first choice, to run your own mailing list program is therefor
- almost always the best choice, but of course, only if you are able
- to do this. And that is not very common, unless you have shell
- access and enough privileges on your Internet provider's system, or
- of course, if you have your own system hooked up to the Internet. If
- you do, then you're set, and have a wide variety of mailing list
- software to select from. A good advice is to pick the piece of software
- that most mailing lists on the Internet use today. Even though it makes
- it harder for people who are developing other ones, it will make it a
- lot easier for *you*. Say that you need help setting it up - you can
- ask a lot of people. And it will make it easier for almost everyone
- else, because they will *know* how to subscribe to your list,
- unsubscribe from your list, request information about your list, and
- so on, because it works like most of the other mailing lists on the
- Internet. It will also (almost always) ensure that you will find new
- versions, upgrades and bug fixes for it, something that is crucial,
- and something you will clearly see in the next part of this "series".
- Once you have set up the software of your choice, and you are up and
- running, you can of course always try other programs on the side
- if you like.
-
- 8. The Software
- - I won't recommend any programs, and therefor, not even try to tell
- you how to set up your mailing list software. There are too many
- to list them all, but here are a selected few: Almanac, BMW, IDG,
- ListProc, CREN ListProc (commercial), LISTSERV (commercial), Mailbase,
- MailShare (Mac), MAISER (NetWare), Majordomo, MReply, MXSERV, SmartList,
- Smof (DOS), TULP. I leave it totally up to you to decide which one you
- want to run. But once you have started your mailing list on a dedicated
- server, or on your own, the first thing you have to do is to add
- yourself as a subscriber to your list. Pretty obvious one might think,
- but you really need to try out *all* the administrative commands
- available, and see that they work the way they should, and not in
- any other way. Once you have done that, and are a subscriber of your
- own mailing list, you are ready for Part 2, in this "series".
-
- 9. Resources
- - Here you'll find a selected group of Mailing List software, and
- where you can find more information, source code, software,
- discussion lists, and whatnot. You can also find some resources
- for general mailing list information at the end. I recommend that
- you check out the current version of the Mailing List Software FAQ
- before anything else though, because there you'll get up to date
- information - as I have no idea when (in time) you are reading
- this file.
-
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- 9.1 Almanac 9.2 BMW 9.3 IDG
- 9.4 ListProc 9.5 CREN ListProc 9.6 LISTSERV
- 9.7 Mailbase 9.8 MAISER 9.9 Majordomo
- 9.10 MReply 9.11 MXSERV 9.12 SmartList
- 9.13 Smof 9.14 TULP 9.15 General Resources
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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- 9.1 Almanac
- 9.1.2 Through FTP
- Source:
- ftp://ftp.oes.orst.edu/pub/
-
- 9.1.4 Mailing Lists
- Almanac Discussion List:
- Send Email to: almanac@oes.orst.edu
- with the following in the message body:
- subscribe alm-core-mg
-
- 9.2 BMW
- 9.2.2 Through FTP
- Source:
- ftp://gojira.monsta.com/pub/src/
-
- 9.3 IDG
- 9.3.3 Through Email
- Software:
- Send Email to: ftpmail%t3ew@dot.ca.gov
- with the following in the message body:
- connect
- get software/internet/idg
- quit
-
- 9.4 ListProc
- 9.4.2 Through FTP
- Source:
- ftp://cs-ftp.bu.edu/pub/listserv/current_version.Z
-
- 9.4.4 Mailing Lists
- ListProc Discussion List:
- Send Email to: listproc@avs.com
- with the following in the message body:
- sub unix-listproc Your Name
-
- 9.5 CREN ListProc
- 9.5.2 Through FTP
- Information:
- ftp://info.cren.net/
-
- 9.5.3 Through Email
- Information:
- Send Email to: listproc-info@listproc.net
-
- 9.5.4 Mailing Lists
- CREN ListProc Discussion List:
- Send Email to: listproc@cren.org
- with the following in the message body:
- sub cren-list <Your Name>
-
- 9.6 LISTSERV
- 9.6.1 On The WWW
- Software:
- http://www.listserv.net/
-
- 9.6.2 Through FTP
- Evaluation kits:
- ftp://ftp.spc.edu/listserv/
-
- 9.6.3 Through Email
- LISTSERV Basic Information:
- Send Email to: LISTSERV@LISTSERV.NET
- with the following in the message body:
- HELP
- LISTSERV List of Information Files:
- Send Email to: LISTSERV@LISTSERV.NET
- with the following in the message body:
- INFO
- LISTSERV Sales Information:
- Send Email to: SALES@LSOFT.COM.
-
- 9.6.4 Mailing Lists
- LISTSERV System Administrator Discussion List:
- Send Email to: LISTSERV@uga.cc.uga.edu
- with the following in the message body:
- sub LSTSRV-L Your Name
- LISTSERV List Owner Discussion List:
- Send Email to: LISTSERV@searn.sunet.se
- with the following in the message body:
- sub LSTOWN-L Your Name
-
- 9.7 Mailbase
- 9.7.1 On The WWW
- Mailbase Document Archive:
- http://www.mailbase.ac.uk/
-
- 9.7.3 Through Email
- Software:
- Send Email to: mailbase-helpline@mailbase.ac.uk
- Mailbase Basics:
- Send Email to: mailbase@mailbase.ac.uk
- with the following in the message body:
- send mailbase user-guide
-
- 9.8 MAISER
- 9.8.2 Through FTP
- If you have a NetWare server, and want to try out MAISER, you
- will need Pegasus and Mercury:
- ftp://risc.ua.edu/pub/network/pegasus/
-
- 9.8.4 Mailing Lists
- Pegasus and Mercury Discussion List:
- Send Email to: LISTSERV@UA1VM.UA.EDU.
- with the following in the message body:
- subscribe PMAIL Your Name
-
- 9.9 Majordomo
- 9.9.1 On The WWW
- Software:
- http://www.enfo.com/MailLists/majdom/index.html
- FAQ:
- http://www.math.psu.edu/barr/majordomo-faq.html
- Guide:
- http://www.uchicago.edu/a.docs/Mail/majordomo.admin.html
- Workers & Users Archive:
- http://www.meadow.net/Majordomo/
-
- 9.9.2 Through FTP
- Source:
- ftp://ftp.greatcircle.com/pub/majordomo/majordomo.tar.Z
- FAQ:
- ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.answers/mail/majordomo-faq
-
- 9.9.3 Through Email
- FAQ:
- Send Email to: majordomo@pop.psu.edu
- with the following in the message body:
- get file majordomo-faq
- FAQ:
- Send Email to: mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu
- with the following in the message body:
- send usenet/comp.mail.list-admin.software/
- Majordomo_Frequently_Asked_Questions
-
- 9.9.4 Mailing Lists
- Majordomo Discussion List:
- Send Email to: majordomo@greatcircle.com
- with the following in the message body:
- subscribe majordomo-users
-
- 9.10 MReply
- 9.10.2 Through FTP
- Source:
- ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/to/tor/mreply/
-
- 9.10.3 Through Email
- MReply Help Document:
- Send Email to: mreply-request@netcom.com
- with the following in the message body:
- help
-
- 9.10.4 Mailing Lists
- MReply Discussion List:
- Send Email to: mreply-request@netcom.com
- with the following in the message body:
- subscribe mreply-list
-
- 9.11 MXSERV
- 9.11.2 Through FTP
- Software:
- ftp.spc.edu://pub/mx/
-
- 9.11.4 Mailing Lists
- MXSERV Discussion List:
- Send Email to: MX-List-Request@WKUVX1.BITNET
- with the following in the message body:
- subscribe
-
- 9.12 SmartList
- 9.12.2 Through FTP
- Source:
- ftp://ftp.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/pub/packages/Procmail/
- SmartList.tar.gz
-
- 9.12.4 Mailing Lists
- SmartList Discussion List:
- Send Email to: SmartList-request@informatik.rwth-aachen.de
- with the following in the message body:
- subscribe
-
- 9.13 Smof
- 9.13.2 Through FTP
- Software:
- ftp://ftp.demon.co.uk/pub/ibmpc/dos/apps/listutils/
-
- 9.14 TULP
- 9.14.2 Through FTP
- Source:
- ftp://ftp.univ-lyon1.fr/pub/systems/unix/mail/
- list-servers/tulp/
-
- 9.14.4 Mailing Lists
- TULP Discussion List:
- Send Email to: listserv@grasp.insa-lyon.fr
- with the following in the message body:
- sub listnix Your Name
-
- 9.15 General Information and other interesting resources
- 9.15.2 Through FTP
- List of Mailing Lists:
- ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.answers/mail/mailing-lists/
- Mailing List FAQ documents:
- ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.answers/mail/list-admin/
-
- 9.15.3 Through Email
- Mailing List Software FAQ:
- Send Email to: LISTSERV@listserv.net
- with the following in the message body:
- get mlm-software faq
-
- 9.15.4 Mailing Lists
- General Mailing List for List Managers:
- Send Email to: list-managers@greatcircle.com
-
- 9.15.5 Usenet Newsgroups
- Mailing List Discussions:
- comp.mail.list-admin.policy
- comp.mail.list-admin.software
- Mailing List Lists and FAQ documents:
- news.answers
-
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- The second part will deal with what you need to think about when you do have
- a running, working mailing list, with a selected topic. Unfortunately, that's
- when the big problems appear.
-
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